| rabid_fish | installer is still running, I must have a ssllooooow cd drive | 12:13 |
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| rabid_fish | nothing's hanging yet | 12:13 |
| rabid_fish | okay, here's my update | 12:35 |
| rabid_fish | install went absolutely beautifully | 12:35 |
| rabid_fish | I've now booted into feisty and am updating packages | 12:36 |
| rabid_fish | one last question: how can I help spread the news, so to speak? | 12:36 |
| rabid_fish | I've seen thinkwiki (I've a thinkpad), so I'll post an update there | 12:37 |
| rabid_fish | explaining how to get ubuntu running on an x20/x21/x22 with an older dock | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | rabid_fish: best thing would be to file a kernel bug (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+filebug for Feisty) about the fact that usb-storage hangs | 01:54 |
| cjwatson | rabid_fish: nuking (or even blacklisting) modules is all very well but it isn't really a long-term solution that we'd want to document | 01:54 |
| cjwatson | plus we don't really have a good way to blacklist modules in d-i at the moment short of removing them, unless it's a recent Debian change I missed | 01:55 |
| cjwatson | rabid_fish: the kernel team will probably want the output of dmesg after doing modprobe usb-storage, as well as 'lspci -vvnn' etc. | 01:56 |
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| rabid_fish | cjwatson: sorry about the late reply, intentionally kept session open while leaving the computer to spend some family time | 06:24 |
| rabid_fish | cjwatson: thanks for the information, I will definitely follow up on launchpad, and have saved off the text of this conversation to assist the kernel team. | 06:26 |
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| CIA-15 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r1987 ubiquity/ubiquity/components/usersetup.py: whitespace | 10:50 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r1988 ubiquity/ubiquity/components/usersetup.py: whoops, more whitespace | 10:51 |
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| highvoltage | hello | 12:05 |
| highvoltage | cjwatson: hey there. it should be possible to create a curses-based front-end to ubiquity, right? | 12:06 |
| cjwatson | theoretically, sure | 12:07 |
| cjwatson | no meaningful work's been done on that though, aside from a sketch in the original Guadalinex code which is so old now you might as well start again | 12:08 |
| cjwatson | well, I think that was plain text actually rather than curses | 12:09 |
| highvoltage | I'm going to try to convince the company I work for to let me have some time to work on an ncurses interface, if people are able to install a casper image without running X, it would allow them to install slightly faster (no need to boot up a desktop environment) and it will also be installable on lower-end machines. | 12:09 |
| highvoltage | perhaps I should just look at their plain text installer to get an idea of how they integrated into ubiquity, if it's that old, I agree that it would probably be best to start from scratch | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | I'd certainly welcome it. Don't budget less than three months for it though. | 12:10 |
| highvoltage | ok | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | plain text> it's not useful, really | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | I should purge it | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | it's just a few methods most of which have changed | 12:11 |
| highvoltage | agreed, you generaly can't go back in the plain text interfaces, which is often painful for a lot of users | 12:11 |
| highvoltage | cjwatson: I'll be in Sevilla in May, if you'll have some time, perhaps we can talk about it for a few minutes? | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | sure | 12:14 |
| cjwatson | wow, the text frontend has practically nothing, even less than I remember | 12:14 |
| highvoltage | heh | 12:15 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I'll nuke those, they're worse than useless because they're now confusing | 12:15 |
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| CIA-15 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r1989 ubiquity/ (80 files in 3 dirs): | 01:46 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: * If installing or removing packages fails, then display a helpful error | 01:46 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: message and try to continue rather than crashing; furthermore, avoid | 01:46 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: installing language packs or removing packages when there are broken | 01:46 |
| CIA-15 | ubiquity: packages on the target system (LP: #54282, #69470, #80938). | 01:46 |
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| cjwatson | evand: bug 97081 is one for you | 08:50 |
| cjwatson | evand: I suspect it's really an m-a bug under the hood, but I'm thinking that maybe some try: / except DebconfError: guards in ubiquity/components/migrationassistant.py wouldn't hurt | 08:50 |
| evand | cjwatson: yeah, the only reason I haven't put them in yet is that I want to expose those m-a bugs. | 08:52 |
| cjwatson | mm, I thought it might be something like that | 08:52 |
| cjwatson | I went to add them and then thought "oh, but wouldn't that hide the real bugs"? :-) | 08:52 |
| cjwatson | s/"?/?"/ | 08:52 |
| evand | heh | 08:52 |
| evand | perhaps I should call apport and then allow them to continue to the next step instead of just bringing all of ubiquity down | 08:55 |
| evand | as people don't seem to like that | 08:56 |
| cjwatson | try/except DebconfError should be enough, and you can log a message about it in the except handler | 08:56 |
| cjwatson | I wouldn't call apport | 08:56 |
| cjwatson | it's fine to keep exposing the bugs for now as long as they're papered over for release though, I think | 08:57 |
| thom | cjwatson: hrm, i'm calling 'd-i pkgsel/include string tvp-minimal tvp-standard' but i don't get those packages installed and i see no mention of them in logs; is there some additional magic required? | 08:57 |
| evand | so should I notify the user at all that an error occured? | 08:57 |
| cjwatson | evand: hmm, up to you - should be on the m-a UI rather than a crash though, I think | 08:58 |
| cjwatson | I guess it depends what they can be expected to do about it :) | 08:58 |
| evand | cjwatson: ah, indeed | 08:58 |
| cjwatson | thom: sounds ok - check syslog for warnings about them | 08:58 |
| cjwatson | oh, you did | 08:59 |
| cjwatson | maybe try debconf-get pkgsel/include from tty2 to see if it actually hit the db | 08:59 |
| cjwatson | failing all else I would be inclined to hit /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgsel.postinst with the set -x hammer | 08:59 |
| evand | cjwatson: by the way, while I have you here, any idea if Canonical is doing sponsorship for UDS-Sevilla and any personal opinion on someone requesting sponsorship twice in a row? Not sure if I can afford Spain. | 09:00 |
| cjwatson | evand: hmm, I gave you a good review in the post-mortem of last UDS sponsorship, but I think we've already done most of the invitations for Seville :( | 09:01 |
| cjwatson | but you could certainly ask ... probably mdz@c.c | 09:02 |
| cjwatson | we're going to be hiring a(nother) installer maintainer soon ;-) | 09:02 |
| thom | cjwatson: doing debconf-get-selections --installer after the fact doesn't show pkgsel at all, so i guess i'll find a test box | 09:02 |
| evand | cjwatson: I meant to talk to you about that. I'm waiting until shortly before UDS and closer to when I graduate though. | 09:02 |
| cjwatson | seeing as my time is rather more limited these days | 09:03 |
| evand | I should still be able to make it to UDS. I'll email mdz though, just in case Canonical can help. | 09:06 |
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| tepsipakki | the sponsorships are already decided? the wiki page still says "the specifics of this sponsorship are currently being discussed and more information will be available soon" | 09:40 |
| evand | tepsipakki: that threw me off as well | 09:42 |
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| cjwatson | tepsipakki: which wiki page is that? | 11:29 |
| tepsipakki | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla | 11:33 |
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