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| pochu | crimsun, slomo: bug 97182 | 12:21 |
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| ubotu | Malone bug 97182 in liferea "[UVFe] liferea 1.2.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97182 | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | not much of a 'debdiff' | 12:22 |
| pochu | I'm actually building it - builds fine with dpkg-buildpackage, let's see in pbuilder | 12:23 |
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| pochu | night :) | 12:58 |
| AstralJava | Is there a way to auto-generate Makefile.am? | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | AstralJava: there are some skeletons out there that can help | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | but generally no | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | take a look at the autoproject package | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | or some IDEs can do it | 01:00 |
| AstralJava | ajmitch: Thanks. This project suddenly dropped a whole lotta files that were mentioned in one. I'm going it thru now with make dist && deleting the ones it stalls on. :) | 01:01 |
| AstralJava | So I'm guessing I either write a script that takes care of it, or spend a similar amount of time to do it by hand. :) | 01:01 |
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| TheMuso | Hey RAOF | 03:17 |
| RAOF | Hey TheMuso | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | hi TheMuso, RAOF | 03:17 |
| RAOF | Hi ajmitch | 03:18 |
| bddebian | Hi TheMuso, RAOF, ajmitch... :-) | 03:28 |
| ajmitch | uh oh | 03:29 |
| bddebian | Uh oh? | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | yes, "uh oh" | 03:32 |
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| RAOF | Extend the greeting chain unto infinity! | 03:32 |
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| RAOF | (Does every ascending chain have an upper bound?) | 03:33 |
| bddebian | infinity is in here? ;-P | 03:33 |
| RAOF | Of course. Infinity is in everywhere. That' | 03:34 |
| RAOF | s the point :) | 03:34 |
| lupine_85 | I just encountered infinite pleasure | 03:35 |
| lupine_85 | http://www.lupine.me.uk/img/kawaii-chocolat.png | 03:35 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:35 |
| RAOF | Ooooh, dark chocolate rasberries? I can get behind that :) | 03:35 |
| lupine_85 | It's so ++ it makes my eyes pop out of my head | 03:36 |
| jmg | i have some blueberry chocolate here | 03:36 |
| jmg | blueberry dark | 03:36 |
| lupine_85 | 70% cocoa? ;) | 03:36 |
| jmg | 80% ;) | 03:36 |
| lupine_85 | !! | 03:36 |
| === RAOF tried some 99% cocoa chocholate once. | ||
| RAOF | Also, 85% cocoa chocolate is *delicious* | 03:36 |
| lupine_85 | ChocolateOverIP RFC, plzktnxbai | 03:36 |
| jmg | yeah | 03:36 |
| jmg | dark is the new white | 03:37 |
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| lupine_85 | I was going to get some 86%, but this caught my eye instead | 03:37 |
| lupine_85 | "raspberry heaven", etc | 03:37 |
| jmg | lupine_85: you're making me want to go and get some dark | 03:37 |
| lupine_85 | :D | 03:37 |
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| jmg | unfort. the place round here doesnt sell eclipse | 03:37 |
| lupine_85 | excellent.. while all the MOTUs are distracted, I can sneakily upload all sorts of crud ;) | 03:38 |
| bddebian | sweet | 03:38 |
| lupine_85 | Hobbsee: http://www.lupine.me.uk/img/kawaii-chocolat.png :) | 03:38 |
| jmg | this is what i get from around the road: http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=3&cat=8&page=1 | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | lupine_85: you got MOTU? | 03:39 |
| jmg | and this is what i get from the place near my house: http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=12&cat=8&page=1 | 03:39 |
| lupine_85 | no | 03:39 |
| jmg | but dude check this | 03:39 |
| jmg | http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=30&cat=8&page=1 | 03:39 |
| lupine_85 | haven't applied or anything, at any rate | 03:39 |
| jmg | Ingredients: 100% organic cacao mass | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | mm...chocolate | 03:40 |
| lupine_85 | just discussing chocolate :) | 03:40 |
| lupine_85 | ...100% cocoa... | 03:40 |
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| bddebian | heh | 03:40 |
| jmg | yeah lupine_85 | 03:40 |
| lupine_85 | drool, etc | 03:40 |
| jmg | this looks nice too | 03:40 |
| jmg | http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=4 | 03:40 |
| bddebian | I still say they need to include the damn IRC nicks in the new MOTU announcements | 03:41 |
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| ScottK-laptop | bddebian: I agree (about the IRC nicks). | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Who's the new person? | 03:44 |
| === ajmitch is new | ||
| bddebian | Oh, mr_pouit? | 03:44 |
| welshbyte | there was an announcement? | 03:44 |
| bddebian | welshbyte: Yeah, they finally got smart and kicked me out ;-) | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | they'd kick me out first | 03:45 |
| welshbyte | not easy to kick out an omnipresent deity | 03:45 |
| bddebian | pfft | 03:46 |
| === bddebian is never going to live that stupid wiki page down | ||
| welshbyte | :) | 03:47 |
| mr_pouit | bddebian: yes :) | 03:47 |
| bddebian | mr_pouit: Ah, well Congratulations! | 03:48 |
| lupine_85 | who's omnipresent? | 03:48 |
| bddebian | LaserJock | 03:49 |
| mr_pouit | bddebian: thanks ;) | 03:49 |
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| Hobbsee | ajmitch: no you're not. | 03:49 |
| lupine_85 | ah, fair enough | 03:50 |
| welshbyte | lupine_85: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod | 03:50 |
| === bddebian pokes welshbyte in the eye | ||
| welshbyte | .) | 03:51 |
| lupine_85 | Ah, I see | 03:51 |
| bddebian | hehe | 03:51 |
| lupine_85 | tell me who to smite, oh lord, and they shall be smited! | 03:51 |
| bddebian | me | 03:52 |
| lupine_85 | <monty python>gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you</monty python> | 03:52 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:52 |
| RAOF | Isn't the past tense of "smite" "smote"? | 03:54 |
| lupine_85 | I'm just quoting | 03:54 |
| === RAOF thinks smote sounds cooler :) | ||
| lupine_85 | (Homer Simpson) | 03:54 |
| bddebian | "And the number that shall be counted is 3" | 03:54 |
| lupine_85 | although I was torn between smited and smitten; but the latter is obviously wrong | 03:55 |
| lupine_85 | bddebian: that's nae ordinary rarebit! | 03:55 |
| bddebian | hehe | 03:55 |
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| zakame | hello MOTUs! | 04:36 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 04:37 |
| Jucato | moin zakame, bddebian :) | 04:40 |
| Jucato | oops... why did I respond :P | 04:40 |
| bddebian | Heh, hi Jucato | 04:41 |
| mr_pouit | time to sleep :P 'night all | 04:49 |
| bddebian | Gnight mr_pouit | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | good, it built this time | 04:52 |
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| TheMuso | _MMA_: Howd it go? | 05:14 |
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| _MMA_ | Zeta? | 05:14 |
| TheMuso | Sorry wrong channel | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | hm, secret plotting? | 05:14 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: No. | 05:14 |
| === _MMA_ tried the Zeta live CD. | ||
| ajmitch | TheMuso: they all say that | 05:15 |
| joejaxx | hello everyone :) | 05:15 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: heh | 05:15 |
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| === joejaxx shakes his head at _MMA_ for constantly reboot | ||
| joejaxx | rebooting* | 05:16 |
| === _MMA_ isnt gonna do VMware on his laptop. :) | ||
| joejaxx | lol | 05:16 |
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| bddebian | Gah, how do I step over a line in gdb without executing it? | 05:42 |
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| initself | Hi! | 06:08 |
| joejaxx | hello | 06:08 |
| initself | I'm here to learn about packaging. | 06:08 |
| TheMuso | initself: Ok. | 06:08 |
| TheMuso | !packagingguide | 06:08 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports | 06:08 |
| TheMuso | initself: ^^ | 06:08 |
| TheMuso | initself: Have you had any experience with Ubuntu packages other than installing/removing? | 06:11 |
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| initself | No. I'm coming from Slackware. I've used ubuntu a handful of times but I'm ready to jump in. I'm so sick of Windows/Mac proprietary audio technologies. | 06:11 |
| initself | I really want to understand how to make a stable, low latency audio system on Linux. | 06:12 |
| TheMuso | Ok great. | 06:12 |
| TheMuso | Well with UbuntuStudio, that is exactly what we are trying to do. | 06:12 |
| RAOF | UbuntuStudio would love you :) | 06:12 |
| initself | I program in Perl, but I've never learned what it takes to learn how to modify the codebase for things like Gnome, etc... | 06:12 |
| === RAOF is too slow. | ||
| initself | ie. Never had a reason to learn C | 06:12 |
| initself | And if I start, I sure don't want to be using Visual Studio. :) | 06:13 |
| TheMuso | initself: Ok, the only programming language I am fluent in is shell, and I do a lot of packaging work. | 06:13 |
| TheMuso | You don't need to be able to program to be a packager. | 06:13 |
| initself | perl =~ shell | 06:13 |
| initself | I see. | 06:13 |
| === bddebian isn't fluent in anything and does "some" packaging work :-) | ||
| TheMuso | bddebian: Some? COme on dude. You do heaps. | 06:14 |
| TheMuso | initself: So I suggest reading the packaging guide I pointed out above as a start, and we are here to answer any questions you may have. | 06:14 |
| TheMuso | You also might want to have a look through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU. There is information about the MOTU (Masters of the Universe), what we do, who we are etc. | 06:14 |
| bddebian | As long as it doesn't involve Perl ;-P | 06:14 |
| initself | pbuilder, baby | 06:14 |
| TheMuso | initself: In fact, I used to maintain an audio repository for Slackware. | 06:15 |
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| initself | Excellent. I always thought there was a lot of positive work done for audio on Slack. | 06:15 |
| initself | Does it make sense for Ubuntu to lean towards compatibility with particular hardware and optimizing things for it?> | 06:16 |
| TheMuso | I changed however, due to my frustration at the lack of quality when it comes to putting together good packages, and other third party package repositories. | 06:16 |
| initself | it. vendors who support linux and who are willing to work with "us" (ie. RME) ? | 06:16 |
| TheMuso | One of Ubuntu's goals is to support as much hardware as possible, even if it means one has to use some proprietary code to do so. | 06:17 |
| === bddebian looks around for RMS | ||
| TheMuso | Well there are RME sound card drivers, as well as for M-Audio, and other good quality brands. | 06:17 |
| TheMuso | However, the firewire scene is not as good so far, due to each manufacturer using their own firewire stack and driver model. | 06:17 |
| initself | True. | 06:17 |
| initself | RME being one of those. | 06:17 |
| TheMuso | I don't know. | 06:18 |
| initself | Pretty sure. | 06:18 |
| TheMuso | You would have to ask on the Linux-Audio-User mailing list, or in #lad about the card you intend to use. | 06:18 |
| initself | for example... | 06:18 |
| initself | audacity - Soundfile editor and multitracker. Packaged version had no JACK support. | 06:18 |
| initself | What does the software supporting JACK have to do with packaging? | 06:19 |
| TheMuso | Are you referring to audacity in 6.10? | 06:19 |
| initself | not sure, I am at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Audio | 06:19 |
| TheMuso | Ah ok. | 06:19 |
| TheMuso | In terms of packaging, it means that eventually, we would like to be able to use the Jack audio connection kit with audacity. | 06:19 |
| initself | Now where would I turn to start understanding what the hell you mean? | 06:20 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: ! | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | I'm not *alway* omnipresent ;-) | 06:20 |
| TheMuso | initself: Ok, what are you confused about? | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | *always | 06:21 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Heh | 06:21 |
| initself | Whether Audacity supports JACK is up to Audacity, right? | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | I am omnicient though, so you can't get away from me | 06:21 |
| bddebian | hehe | 06:21 |
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| TheMuso | initself: Yes, but it is also up to distributions that package it as to whether they want to build audacity with jack support. | 06:21 |
| bddebian | initself: It can be enabled or disabled depending on how you configure it so the package in the repo might have been built with jack disabled | 06:22 |
| TheMuso | So while audacity may support jack, a package in a distro may not. | 06:22 |
| initself | i keep getting this from The Google: ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. | 06:22 |
| TheMuso | Our next Ubuntu release, 7.04, otherwise known as feisty, has an audacity with jack. | 06:22 |
| initself | wtf! | 06:22 |
| initself | good lord, how does something like Audacity get built? | 06:30 |
| initself | i'm look at the source code and i have no idea where to begin. | 06:31 |
| TheMuso | initself: Please read the packaging guide. It has a simple example to get you started. | 06:31 |
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| jmg | DO YOU FOLKS LIKE COFFEE | 06:40 |
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| lupine_85 | loli haet coffee | 06:41 |
| lupine_85 | and so do I :p | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | jmg: IT'S ALRIGHT | 06:41 |
| === TheMuso does not like coffee. | ||
| ajmitch | TheMuso: ps, you forgot caps | 06:43 |
| TheMuso | screw caps. | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: coffee is the devil's drink ;-) | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | haha | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: lies | 06:44 |
| welshbyte | i'm a nicer person now that i don't drink coffee... tired, but nicer | 06:44 |
| === TheMuso continues his hardware re-shuffle | ||
| lupine_85 | maybe it's bedtime, I dunno | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | welshbyte: really? | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | I need to like coffee | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | the soda's killing my teeth | 06:45 |
| welshbyte | yeah, caffeine made me grumpy | 06:45 |
| lupine_85 | tea > * | 06:45 |
| welshbyte | i drink water, milk, tea these days | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | I don't know that American's are allowed to drink tea | 06:45 |
| lupine_85 | They are | 06:45 |
| === ajmitch drinks tea | ||
| LaserJock | or if they are, it' has to be horrid | 06:45 |
| === TheMuso drinks tea in the winter. | ||
| lupine_85 | they just have to admit Britain is superior beforehand ;) | 06:46 |
| welshbyte | :) | 06:46 |
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| LaserJock | lupine_85: ahhh | 06:46 |
| lupine_85 | nah, cup of earl grey, or a nice herbal (cherry + cinnamon is my current favourite) goes down well, regardless of nationality | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | I have a british postdoc I work with | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | he says he has a hard time finding *real* tea here | 06:47 |
| lupine_85 | it's probably true, but a /real/ tea freak can always make his/her own | 06:47 |
| lupine_85 | anyway, definitely bed | 06:48 |
| lupine_85 | maybe more beryl bugs when I wake up | 06:48 |
| welshbyte | g'night lupine_85 | 06:48 |
| Fujitsu | Tea or water for me. Nothing else. | 06:49 |
| RAOF | night lupine_85 | 06:49 |
| === Fujitsu waves to everybody. | ||
| Fujitsu | Night lupine_85. | 06:49 |
| TheMuso | Hey Fujitsu. | 06:49 |
| Fujitsu | Hi TheMuso. | 06:49 |
| bddebian2 | Gnight folks | 06:51 |
| Fujitsu | Night bddebian2. | 06:51 |
| welshbyte | g'night bddebian2 | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | cya ... | 06:51 |
| Fujitsu | I've only done two bug-triaging things in the past almost 48 hours :( | 06:51 |
| === Fujitsu complains about school minimising Ubuntu time. | ||
| === welshbyte sympathises | ||
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: you done with high school yet? | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | I can never remember where everybody is | 06:53 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Just 7 or 8 months to go. | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | got a uni picked out to go to? | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | pick otago uni | 06:54 |
| Fujitsu | Not yet... I might defer a year, as I'm not even 16 yet. | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | ah, it might be nice | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | I started at 16 | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | kinda missed some things | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | there's really not much of a rush | 06:55 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: That sounds sooo practical. | 06:55 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it is | 07:02 |
| Fujitsu | I'll commute daily. | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | just move | 07:03 |
| Fujitsu | And terrorise you when I haven't got classes! | 07:03 |
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| welshbyte | umm, silly question, but in what circumstances are we meant to assign bugs to people/ourselves? | 07:09 |
| Fujitsu | If you or they are going to fix them, in most cases. | 07:09 |
| Fujitsu | Some people assign all MOTU-related bugs to motu, which seems to me to simply be a way of artificially reducing unassigned bug totals. | 07:10 |
| ajmitch | it seems common to assign to yourself when setting a bug as 'needs info | 07:12 |
| ajmitch | but I have no idea why | 07:12 |
| Fujitsu | Not exactly common, but it's still done for some reason. | 07:12 |
| ajmitch | (it's a documented procedure) | 07:12 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch: Is it? I didn't know our world was so silly. | 07:12 |
| ajmitch | it is | 07:12 |
| ajmitch | apparantly agreed on at a distro sprint, too | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | I haven't seen that one | 07:13 |
| welshbyte | odd, i usually just subscribe myself to bugs i ask for info on | 07:13 |
| Fujitsu | welshbyte: That's what most people do. | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | I don't even do that | 07:13 |
| === LaserJock is a bad boy | ||
| welshbyte | tsk :) | 07:13 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage | 07:13 |
| Fujitsu | I think that you should be able to look at a bug, notice there's something in the assignee field, and know to move on 'cause it's being fixed. | 07:14 |
| ajmitch | the 'Complete Reports' section | 07:14 |
| Fujitsu | (assigning to motu removes that ability) | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: madness | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | insanity! | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | I think bug work is just all around insane | 07:15 |
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| LaserJock | I'm not very fond of it | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | I gotta get better though | 07:16 |
| Fujitsu | I hope people come up with some ideas for DrinkingFromTheFirehose this UDS... We need them. | 07:16 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: i wish i had that url before :P | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: stop letting users file bugs? | 07:17 |
| Admiral_Chicago | might need to...jking. | 07:17 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Disabling apport post-release would help with that. | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | it's much easier to drink from a firehose if you turn the water off ;-) | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | course it can leave you a bit thirsty too | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | make ubuntu bugfree? | 07:18 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh/ | 07:18 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i wish i could be at UDS...school...you know. one day i'll drop out and develop full time | 07:18 |
| === ajmitch knows we'd still get flooded with bugs | ||
| superm1 | Fujitsu, DrinkingFromTheFireHose? | 07:18 |
| Admiral_Chicago | superm1: working with all the bugs we get | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | Admiral_Chicago: sure, so will I ;) | 07:18 |
| Fujitsu | superm1: The `crap, we're drowning in bugs' spec. | 07:18 |
| Admiral_Chicago | see you then | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: features ajmitch, they're called features | 07:18 |
| superm1 | ah | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: and people want more of them | 07:19 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i don't want more...oh more features, not bug reports... | 07:19 |
| === ajmitch should just save up, quit work & hack on ubuntu for a year ;) | ||
| ajmitch | or preferably get paid to do so | 07:19 |
| welshbyte | maybe we should set up a feature tracker so that users can report them | 07:20 |
| === TheMuso would love to be paid to work on Ubuntu as well. | ||
| Fujitsu | TheMuso: Wouldn't we all? | 07:20 |
| === Jucato didn't see Admiral_Chicago come in... | ||
| === Admiral_Chicago gives everyone a paycheck | ||
| Admiral_Chicago | don't cash that until Thursday | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | Admiral_Chicago: I'd prefer one that didn't bounce, thanks | 07:20 |
| TheMuso | heh | 07:20 |
| Admiral_Chicago | ...okay new plan | 07:20 |
| Jucato | Admiral_Chicago: blank checks that don't bounce. please and thank you :) | 07:21 |
| Admiral_Chicago | Jucato: speaking of which, just left kubuntu...too much going on. | 07:21 |
| Jucato | weakling :P | 07:21 |
| Admiral_Chicago | hey i have papers to write, doesn't mean they are being done, but they have to be done. | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | Admiral_Chicago: you in college? | 07:22 |
| === Jucato gets back to his C++ book... | ||
| Admiral_Chicago | LaserJock: roger. doing comp sci and physics | 07:22 |
| === Jucato would love to be back in school... | ||
| Jucato | for a 2nd degree... | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | Admiral_Chicago: nifty | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | I should go back too | 07:23 |
| Admiral_Chicago | so if I were to try to tackle bug #96586 how would I do that | 07:23 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 96586 in inkscape "Update Inkscape to 0.45.1 for the Feisty release" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96586 | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | but I think I better finish up this degree before I start on another one | 07:23 |
| Admiral_Chicago | it probably won't make it there, but for practice | 07:23 |
| Jucato | hm.. speaking of which... I'm trying to learn how to package too (that's why I'm here, btw) :D | 07:24 |
| Admiral_Chicago | *silence* | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | calm before the storm? :-) | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | !packagingguide | 07:25 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports | 07:25 |
| Jucato | heh yeah I'm browsing through the guide... but last time I went over it, kinda has a few holes... I mean from a newbie's perspective... | 07:26 |
| === LaserJock pouts in the corner | ||
| Jucato | which Hobbsee suggested that I take note of, so that I could contribute in the future :) | 07:26 |
| welshbyte | you get the hang of it after playing with a few packages :) | 07:27 |
| Jucato | it's the "before playing" part that I find scary... but I got through 1/3 of the guide and packaged hello :D | 07:27 |
| === LaserJock gives Hobbsee a hug when she's back | ||
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| === Jucato is actually wading through the MOTU wikis... trying to make sense of it and takes notes for future reference | ||
| === LaserJock hides | ||
| welshbyte | look up the unmetdeps, ftbfs and packaging tagged bugs on launchpad and try to make debdiffs that fix them is a good way to learn... i found trying to create a new package from scratch was hard until i got some experience from trying to bugfix | 07:29 |
| Jucato | LaserJock: they're actually quite good. and they document a lot. but a lot can be overwhelming... at least I was, first time I tried :) | 07:29 |
| Jucato | ftbs = failed to build from source? | 07:30 |
| Admiral_Chicago | Jucato: yup | 07:30 |
| Jucato | ah.. I think I'm going to encounter a lot of ftbfs and pebkac's :D | 07:30 |
| welshbyte | yeah, get used to the acronym's too, they get a bit confusing until you figure them all out ;) | 07:30 |
| Jucato | Admiral_Chicago: thought you were studying :) | 07:30 |
| welshbyte | s/'// | 07:30 |
| Admiral_Chicago | no, i told you I *had* to, not that I actually was | 07:31 |
| Jucato | hope I don't get hit by a RTFM or RTFW (W = wiki) :D | 07:31 |
| Jucato | Admiral_Chicago: ah. I usually equate "had to" and "left #kubuntu" with "actually doing" :D | 07:31 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: what should i do affect i create a patch for a bug? | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | welshbyte: ah come one. you're telling me that filing UVFes or SRUs for FTBFS is hard to figure out? ;-) | 07:32 |
| welshbyte | you get told to RTFM everywhere really, the good thing about the ubuntu crowd is that they leave the F out ;) | 07:32 |
| joejaxx | lol | 07:32 |
| Jucato | welshbyte: or just use ubotu :D | 07:32 |
| joejaxx | read the fine manual | 07:32 |
| joejaxx | :) | 07:32 |
| === Jucato pets ubotu :) | ||
| LaserJock | joejaxx: what? | 07:32 |
| Jucato | is Ubuntu Mentors still functioning? and raphink still the (and only?) mentor for Kubuntu/KDE stuff? | 07:33 |
| welshbyte | LaserJock: YIA ;) | 07:33 |
| Jucato | ok YIA I don't know :) | 07:33 |
| Admiral_Chicago | i was wondering about that as well | 07:33 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: i was wonder what i should do with a patch i made for a bug lol | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | Jucato: mentors is still kinda functioning, and it really shouldn't matter much what area they are from | 07:34 |
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| Jucato | I nominate nixternal as a co-mentor :) | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: attach it :-) | 07:34 |
| welshbyte | "Yes I Am" - i was just making a point :) | 07:34 |
| Jucato | LaserJock: ah kool :) | 07:34 |
| Admiral_Chicago | second | 07:34 |
| jmg | JFGI :) | 07:34 |
| Jucato | welshbyte: lol! that was too easy... why didn't I think of it :D | 07:34 |
| === Jucato bangs head on the nearby table | ||
| LaserJock | Jucato: MOTU Mentor was initially set up to get people introduced to MOTU and some of the social/communication stuff | 07:34 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: ah ok | 07:34 |
| jmg | aaaaa ;) | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | not necessarily to teach people everything about packaging | 07:35 |
| Jucato | LaserJock: yep. and it's not meant to... | 07:35 |
| Jucato | bah you said it before I finished typing :D | 07:35 |
| === Jucato ncurses his fingers | ||
| LaserJock | don't do that | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | at least wrap them with some python ;-) | 07:35 |
| Jucato | rofl | 07:35 |
| Admiral_Chicago | okay I'm going to try to build this package tonight, maybe upload it to an online source | 07:36 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: ok then what :P | 07:36 |
| Jucato | which I'll probably port to some Qt once I get through this C++ thing that I *should be* studying right now... :( | 07:36 |
| Admiral_Chicago | LaserJock: can I ping you and you can see if I did it right? | 07:36 |
| Jucato | debdiffs... @_@ | 07:36 |
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| Admiral_Chicago | yea, those are nice, i was at a restaurant and I saw richard making one...it was cool | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | what? a debdiff? | 07:37 |
| Jucato | which one was kool? debdiff or nixternal making one? :D | 07:37 |
| === Jucato presumes the former | ||
| LaserJock | I was imagining him making a taco or something | 07:38 |
| Fujitsu | Bah, you people which have other Ubuntuers near you. | 07:38 |
| Admiral_Chicago | debdiff, no richard is lame... :). | 07:38 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: i uploaded a patch for bug 53001 | 07:38 |
| === Admiral_Chicago hugs nixternal | ||
| ubotu | Malone bug 53001 in wordpress "examples-mysql not adapted to ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53001 | 07:38 |
| joejaxx | :) | 07:38 |
| Jucato | Admiral_Chicago: I still can't get that pic of nixternal from your website out of my head... | 07:38 |
| Admiral_Chicago | Jucato: my website...which picture is that? | 07:38 |
| Jucato | er. Chicago LoCo's flicker site | 07:39 |
| Jucato | I showed it to him, he was in the middle of talking... scary face :D | 07:39 |
| Admiral_Chicago | oh hahaha, yea those pictures are awesome. | 07:39 |
| Jucato | you were not in any of them :P | 07:39 |
| Admiral_Chicago | they gave a dude an Ubuntu CD and he said "i'll listen to this in my car on the way home" | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: looks good | 07:40 |
| Admiral_Chicago | Jucato: i was at school... | 07:40 |
| Jucato | lol (1st sentence) aw... (re: at school) | 07:40 |
| Admiral_Chicago | okay, gotta make sure I don't drop out, seriously going to work | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | Admiral_Chicago: what a cool idea | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | we need an Ubuntu Audio CD | 07:41 |
| joejaxx | :) | 07:41 |
| Jucato | who'll be on it? jono? :D | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | with Mark and Jono, et. al | 07:41 |
| joejaxx | yeah that would be nice | 07:41 |
| Admiral_Chicago | well it would be cool to have a short thing on there <<What is Ubuntu? Virus free OS>> | 07:41 |
| Admiral_Chicago | but, it was funny because he took the picture, then thought the loco was pushing for...music(?) | 07:42 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: what is the next step in the process | 07:42 |
| joejaxx | Admiral_Chicago: lol | 07:42 |
| joejaxx | :P | 07:43 |
| welshbyte | joejaxx: i believe it's procedure to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug when you attach a patch | 07:44 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 07:44 |
| === joejaxx goes to do that | ||
| LaserJock | heh, it won't matter too much in a sec | 07:45 |
| welshbyte | well, just for future reference ;) | 07:45 |
| joejaxx | oh ok :) | 07:45 |
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| joejaxx | welshbyte: thanks :) | 07:45 |
| === joejaxx looks for more bitesized bugs | ||
| LaserJock | ok, uploaded | 07:47 |
| === welshbyte thinks he should be a bit more vocal about his debdiffs in future | ||
| LaserJock | ;-) | 07:49 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: thanks :) | 07:50 |
| welshbyte | bug 67263 *whistles innocently* | 07:51 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 67263 in kile "[UNMETDEPS] Dependency on AMD64 needs to be updated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67263 | 07:51 |
| crimsun | nixternal: I'm traveling. What do you need? | 07:52 |
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| ajmitch | mmm, classic MOTU food | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm? | 07:59 |
| crimsun | welshbyte: uploaded. | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: bah, I almost had it | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: pizza | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 07:59 |
| Jucato | yum... | 07:59 |
| welshbyte | crimsun: thanks :) | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I thought we ate kryptonite | 07:59 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Don't make me hungry. | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: oh ? | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | no wonder I've been feeling odd lately | 07:59 |
| === ajmitch is no superhero | ||
| LaserJock | me neither | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | I just pretend sometimes | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | oh you are | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | as are crimsun, bddebian, TheMuso et al | 08:01 |
| crimsun | hah, ajmitch is now a superstar thanks to Cory's blog | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | heck yeah | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | real rock star material there | 08:02 |
| crimsun | plus or minus a vowel. | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | no, those were a couple of little screenshots :P | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | nothing compared to what other people do | 08:02 |
| === TheMuso is no hero. | ||
| ajmitch | everyone's so positive here | 08:02 |
| TheMuso | I am proud to work on this stuff, but no hero., | 08:02 |
| joejaxx | woohoo fixing bugs ftw | 08:02 |
| === ajmitch is more of a motu fanboy than anything | ||
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| TheMuso | Heroes are core-dev. | 08:04 |
| TheMuso | WHich mean ajmitch, crimsun, StevenK, and more that I don't know of from MOTU. :) | 08:04 |
| joejaxx | Seveas: :) welcome back | 08:04 |
| ajmitch | Seveas! | 08:05 |
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| ajmitch | TheMuso: I only tend to touch about 1 package in main | 08:05 |
| Seveas | morning | 08:05 |
| Seveas | crappy provider broke his dhcp servers | 08:05 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: pfft | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: seriously, I mainly just touch f-spot | 08:06 |
| TheMuso | Righto. | 08:06 |
| TheMuso | But you're still a hero. | 08:06 |
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| joejaxx | LaserJock: what does this mean? | 08:22 |
| joejaxx | dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address | 08:22 |
| joejaxx | dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field | 08:22 |
| welshbyte | joejaxx: if it's the first change of a debian package the Maintainer: field needs to be changed to 'Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>' and the original maintainer moved to XSBC-Original-Maintainer: | 08:24 |
| joejaxx | ok | 08:24 |
| welshbyte | that's if it's a universe package, of course | 08:24 |
| joejaxx | thanks | 08:24 |
| joejaxx | i will do that now | 08:24 |
| joejaxx | good that got rid of those warning messages | 08:26 |
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| welshbyte | joejaxx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField if you want some background reading on that | 08:27 |
| joejaxx | ok | 08:28 |
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| joejaxx | http://fluxbuntu.org/bug96339.patch | 08:35 |
| joejaxx | does this look good to anyone? | 08:35 |
| Fujitsu | No. | 08:37 |
| RAOF | joejaxx: You mean to have the reverted stuff at the end? | 08:37 |
| Fujitsu | More exactly: Does it work, and what's that stuff doing at the end? | 08:37 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 08:38 |
| joejaxx | i wonder why it did that | 08:38 |
| joejaxx | i only touched control and changelog | 08:38 |
| joejaxx | hold on | 08:38 |
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| ajmitch | oh dear, he's touching phpgroupware | 08:45 |
| joejaxx | lol | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: I was going to upload that one anyway (for obvious reasons) | 08:45 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | since I'm the debian maintainer :) | 08:46 |
| === joejaxx finds another one | ||
| joejaxx | ajmitch: yeah :) | 08:46 |
| === ajmitch has a patch or two from upstream to look at & maybe put in | ||
| joejaxx | ajmitch: nice | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | and the change you introduced is wrong | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | since the main package still depends on php5 | php5 | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | bah | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | since the main package still depends on php5 | php4 | 08:46 |
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| ajmitch | not everything always works nicely with php 5 | 08:47 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | would a .desktop file be in /debian/ in a package source tree, or do they come from upstream as well? | 08:47 |
| Fujitsu | Kamping_Kaiser: They're meant to come from upstream, but don't always. | 08:48 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: oh ok | 08:48 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 08:48 |
| joejaxx | what are you supposed to do then? | 08:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Fujitsu, thanks, i suppose that means i'll have to search the whole package, not just /debian/ | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: fix everything ;) | 08:49 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: like with bug 96357 | 08:49 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 96357 in opendb "[UNMETDEPS] opendb has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96357 | 08:49 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: yeah but they depend on php4 | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | asking me about $RANDOM_PACKAGE isn't helping much | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | then you probably want to fix it to use php5 | 08:50 |
| \sh | moins | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | hey \sh | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: sometimes code just isn't compatible with php5 yet | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | I know code I've inherited at work isn't | 08:51 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 08:51 |
| joejaxx | grrr | 08:51 |
| joejaxx | most of those are php4/5 issues | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | may as well change the dependencies anyway, and deal with breakage later | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | sure | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | opendb appears to support php 5 | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | (with some php config tweaks) | 08:54 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 08:54 |
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| \sh | ajmitch: you mean with "php config tweaks" to set php5 into php4 compatiblity mode? | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | in this case it was things like register_long_arrays, etc | 09:11 |
| === Jucato forgot to wave to Hobbsee in here too | ||
| Hobbsee | heya Jucato, ajmitch, \sh :) | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee!! :) | 09:13 |
| === ajmitch hugs Hobbsee | ||
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| Hobbsee | :D | 09:14 |
| === Jucato resists hugging Hobbsee | ||
| ajmitch | heh | 09:14 |
| crimsun | those poor UDS attendees will be shocked by the new hair cut ;-) | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | afraid she'll beat you up? | 09:15 |
| crimsun | (well, at least the ones that read planet.uc) | 09:15 |
| === Hobbsee hugs Jucato and ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | crimsun: hard to say, depends on how shockingly short it is | 09:15 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: hrm? | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | besides, Hobbsee hardly posts on planet | 09:15 |
| Hobbsee | true | 09:15 |
| === Hobbsee should blog more | ||
| Jucato | she only posted 2 iirc | 09:16 |
| === TheMuso returns from house duties. | ||
| Q-FUNK | heh | 09:16 |
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| Q-FUNK | LOL | 09:18 |
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| pef | helo | 09:21 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 09:36 |
| RAOF | Hella awesome! | 09:36 |
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| TheMuso | Hey dholbach. | 09:37 |
| dholbach | hey TheMuso | 09:38 |
| \sh | moins dholbach | 09:38 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: we should maybe move the branch from ~motu to ~ubuntumembers or something | 09:39 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: Yeah ok. Should we field opinions on where? I'm happy to move it over. | 09:40 |
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| dholbach | TheMuso: I think ~ubuntumembers would be the team that is "most open" | 09:42 |
| dholbach | not sure though | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | hey dholbach | 09:42 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch | 09:42 |
| dholbach | hey \sh | 09:42 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: What do you think? Should the motutools stuff be kept accessible for non MOTUs, like ubuntu members? | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | it doesn't matter | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | you can have a motu branch & an ubuntumembers branch | 09:43 |
| TheMuso | I think dholbach is thinking of people easily being able to contribute. | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | any ubuntu member could create a group branch | 09:44 |
| TheMuso | True. | 09:44 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: somehow I couldn't push to it either | 09:44 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: hmm weird. | 09:44 |
| dholbach | so i created my own branch :) | 09:44 |
| === TheMuso wonders whether all the necessary bits are set right, i.e the team registrant etc. | ||
| TheMuso | dholbach: I saw. | 09:45 |
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| dholbach | TheMuso: maybe we should make that ubuntu-dev-scripts or something | 10:45 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: I talked to seb128 who would add stuff of his own too | 10:45 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: So rename the product? | 10:45 |
| dholbach | it's just an idea - does it make sense to you? | 10:45 |
| TheMuso | Yes it does. | 10:45 |
| TheMuso | As for where it resides, did he have any suggestions? | 10:46 |
| dholbach | no, he didn't care about that :-) | 10:46 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 10:47 |
| TheMuso | Can products be renamed? | 10:47 |
| dholbach | yeah | 10:48 |
| dholbach | for example: https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/2722 | 10:48 |
| TheMuso | Ok, I'll do it if you want | 10:48 |
| dholbach | just a question which group pushes to it | 10:50 |
| TheMuso | yeah | 10:50 |
| dholbach | ubuntu-dev should be fine, no? | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | Ok so I have to lodge an answers ticket to remove the product? hmm | 10:52 |
| dholbach | we can still merge in patches from hopefuls | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | FOr the product? Yeah I think so. | 10:52 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: or to rename it | 10:52 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: i had them rename a product too | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: But either way, a ticket needs lodging for that | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | Ok then. | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: Ubuntu-dev or ubuntu-dev-tools? Which one would be better? I prefer the latter, so there is no confusion between the product name and the team name. | 10:55 |
| dholbach | yeah | 10:57 |
| dholbach | ubuntu-dev for the team pushing to it | 10:57 |
| dholbach | bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk | 10:57 |
| dholbach | or whatever you're going to pick :) | 10:57 |
| TheMuso | RIghto. | 10:58 |
| dholbach | nice :) | 10:59 |
| dholbach | I think kiko is the one to take care of the renaming | 10:59 |
| TheMuso | I thought we were moving away from the ubuntu-dev LP team. | 11:00 |
| TheMuso | Ok filed. | 11:00 |
| TheMuso | https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/motutools/+ticket/4455 | 11:01 |
| dholbach | i'm in ubuntu-dev, but not in motu :) | 11:01 |
| TheMuso | Ah that would explain it. | 11:02 |
| TheMuso | Gotcha. | 11:02 |
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| mr_pouit | hi there | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | hi mr_pouit | 11:36 |
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| mr_pouit | :D | 11:36 |
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| stgraber | morning | 12:25 |
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| Lutin | hey there | 01:06 |
| mr_pouit | hi Lutin | 01:07 |
| TheMuso | Hey Lutin. | 01:07 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, can you check my packages? | 01:08 |
| TheMuso | jwendell: Ok I'll have a look. | 01:09 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, thanks | 01:09 |
| Lutin | StevenK: ping | 01:10 |
| Lutin | hey TheMuso | 01:10 |
| TheMuso | jwendell: Regarding ubuntu-restricted-extras, do you know if this is being maintained in a bzr branch, or any other revision control? | 01:19 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, i don't know | 01:20 |
| TheMuso | I'll ask mvo. | 01:20 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, i just get the bugs tagged as 'bitesize'... | 01:20 |
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| jwendell | :) | 01:22 |
| StevenK | Lutin: Pong | 01:25 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, but https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+branches shows anything about it... | 01:25 |
| StevenK | (Hrm, 15 minutes RTT) | 01:25 |
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| DarkSun88 | Ciao a tutti | 01:26 |
| DarkSun88 | Hi all. | 01:26 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, s/anything/nothing/ | 01:27 |
| TheMuso | jwendell: Yeah, and I just got confirmation that its not in bzr, so I can go ahead and work on that. | 01:27 |
| Jucato | hello! I'm just wondering if the PDF copy of the Packaging guide on https://help.ubuntu.com is up to date? (not sure if the HTML version is more updated or what...) | 01:27 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, ok! | 01:27 |
| Jucato | hm.. bbl :) | 01:29 |
| Lutin | StevenK: just wanted to know what is evil in the update-maintainer script, so I can either fix or nuke it :) | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | jwendell: ubuntu-restricted-extras uploaded. Will update bug when I get the acceptance email. | 01:37 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, ok :) | 01:37 |
| jwendell | thanks | 01:37 |
| StevenK | Lutin: Heh. :-) | 01:38 |
| StevenK | Lutin: It just looks ... messy. | 01:38 |
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| Lutin | StevenK: in what way ? | 01:38 |
| StevenK | Lutin: To be honest, it'd be cleaner in ... gasp, Perl. | 01:38 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: lol | 01:39 |
| Lutin | StevenK: eek. I can't even read perl :) | 01:39 |
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| StevenK | Lutin: I thought I'd scared you off. :-P | 01:41 |
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| Lutin | StevenK: sorry, don't understand what you mean | 01:41 |
| StevenK | Lutin: You just quit and rejoined. I thought you'd quit because I scared you talking about Perl. | 01:42 |
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| TheMuso | Hey pochu. | 01:53 |
| pochu | hi TheMuso :) | 01:53 |
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| pochu | slomo_: when you can, please take a look at bug 97182 | 02:06 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 97182 in liferea "[UVFe] liferea 1.2.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97182 | 02:06 |
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| slomo_ | pochu: sure | 02:14 |
| pochu | cool, thanks! | 02:14 |
| slomo_ | pochu: oh tollef already approved it | 02:15 |
| slomo_ | i'll upload it in a few minutes... thanks for your work :) | 02:15 |
| pochu | np :) | 02:15 |
| slomo_ | did you change something except debian/changelog? | 02:17 |
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| slomo_ | pochu: ok looks good :) | 02:18 |
| pochu | slomo_: nothing appart of that | 02:19 |
| \sh | automouting homes via ldap rocks | 02:26 |
| slomo_ | pochu: please close the relevant bugs and get some karma, it's uploaded now :) | 02:29 |
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| jekil | hi | 02:43 |
| danohuiginn | any chance of somebody looking over a sync request? bug 93924 | 02:48 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 93924 in rpy "[sync request] rpy package missing files" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93924 | 02:48 |
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| TheMuso | jwendell: I am about to head to bed, so will look at the rest of your packages tomorrow. | 03:01 |
| TheMuso | texmacs uploaded. | 03:01 |
| jwendell | TheMuso, ok, thanks. | 03:01 |
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| pochu | slomo_: ty! | 03:17 |
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| Lutin | StevenK: ah, ok :) | 03:40 |
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| pochu | slomo_: successfully built on all archs and bug closed, thanks for the upload! | 03:56 |
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| Lutin | StevenK: even though it would be better in perl, let me know if you have some tips to make it less messy with bash ;) | 04:00 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:20 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian :) | 04:21 |
| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 04:21 |
| crimsun | deity! | 04:21 |
| bddebian | /close ;-P | 04:21 |
| bddebian | Hi crimsun | 04:21 |
| crimsun | hi | 04:21 |
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| danohuiginn | if any MOTUs have a free minute, could you check/confirm a sync request in bug 93924 for me? | 04:50 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 93924 in rpy "[sync request] rpy package missing files" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93924 | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | geser: ping? | 04:50 |
| danohuiginn | (figured I'd ask again, since there are some more people around now.) | 04:50 |
| crimsun | there are always people `around'. We might just be knee-deep in git/hg/svn/bzr/crap. | 04:51 |
| tonyyarusso | hg? | 04:52 |
| danohuiginn | crimsun: sorry. feel free to continue wading through svn ;) | 04:52 |
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| crimsun | danohuiginn: that requires an UVFe request. | 04:52 |
| crimsun | err, no. Sorry. | 04:53 |
| crimsun | Misparsed 1.0~rc1-5 as 1.0~rc5 for some unknown reason. | 04:53 |
| crimsun | tonyyarusso: mercurial | 04:53 |
| danohuiginn | crimsun: OK. how do I go about making that | 04:53 |
| tonyyarusso | crimsun: ah | 04:53 |
| tonyyarusso | duh | 04:53 |
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| crimsun | danohuiginn: BTW, please don't subscribe ubuntu-archive before a ubuntu-dev member ACKs | 04:55 |
| danohuiginn | crimsun: yeah, I realised that just after subscribing them, and couldn't unsubscribe them | 04:55 |
| crimsun | danohuiginn: the reason is perfectly illustrated in this situation: The sync request protocol has not been met. One needs to properly title the bug and attach the new debian/changelog entries in actual debian/changelog format. | 04:56 |
| danohuiginn | *nods*. So, change the title to [sync request] package version? | 04:58 |
| crimsun | I've done it already and ACKed it. Please take a look. | 04:58 |
| danohuiginn | thanks, crimsun. *looks* | 05:00 |
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| sacater | hi all! | 05:38 |
| Lutin | hi sacater | 05:40 |
| pochu | hey sacater | 05:40 |
| tonyyarusso | Say, any folks familiar with Orage, the XFCE calendar? | 05:41 |
| tonyyarusso | How hard would it be to make the tray icon display the current date, instead of a generic image of "31" ? | 05:41 |
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| gnomefreak | anyone else heard issue with nvidia-glx-9755? | 05:46 |
| gnomefreak | it seems they stopped support for geforce4 | 05:47 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: they have | 05:48 |
| Jucato | nvidia currently maintains 3 sets now. 97xx, 96xx, and 71xx | 05:48 |
| gnomefreak | ok so they should be using legacy :) | 05:48 |
| Laser_away | Ubuntu is only maintainin 2 sets right now 97xx and 71xx | 05:49 |
| Jucato | but there are 2 legacy sets now :) | 05:49 |
| lupine_85 | 9631 is what's in feisty | 05:49 |
| lupine_85 | isn't it? | 05:49 |
| Jucato | hi Laser_away, just the guy I was looking for earlier :) | 05:49 |
| Jucato | lupine_85: not anymore | 05:49 |
| lupine_85 | ah, coolio | 05:49 |
| lupine_85 | that's going to annoy all the GF4 users :D | 05:49 |
| Laser_away | Jucato: uh oh :-) | 05:49 |
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| gnomefreak | lupine_85: cant use nvidia-glx-legacy for beryl? | 05:50 |
| lupine_85 | not without Xgl | 05:50 |
| Jucato | Laser_away: hehe not a big question really. just wondering if there's an updated version of the packaging guide, or if the PDF from help.ubuntu.com is up-to-date :D | 05:50 |
| gnomefreak | anyway to get the "new" in repos? | 05:50 |
| Laser_away | Jucato: doc.ubuntu.com has the latest | 05:50 |
| Jucato | Laser_away: I asked nixternal, but he said it's your baby (although I misread it as "LaserJock baby") | 05:50 |
| Laser_away | lol | 05:51 |
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| nixternal | what's good measure about that one? | 05:52 |
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| nixternal | oh wow, I just now caught how you read that | 05:52 |
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| gnomefreak | since we added beryl to repos we should have support for all the drivers without needing xgl if we can prevent it | 05:52 |
| lupine_85 | managing three lots of nvidia drivers might be a bit of a pain | 05:52 |
| Jucato | but what will we (gf4) users do? stuck to using nvidia.com's drivers? | 05:53 |
| gnomefreak | Jucato: or beryls repo new legacy drivers | 05:53 |
| Laser_away | Jucato: you can use the -legacy drivers | 05:53 |
| Laser_away | but I think you loose 3d accel | 05:54 |
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| Jucato | I might as well use nv then :) | 05:54 |
| Jucato | it's ok... I'm quite capable of using nvidia.com :) | 05:54 |
| pochu | or nouveau :p | 05:54 |
| Jucato | but I'm going to prepare for a flood of questions/complaints in #kubuntu :D | 05:54 |
| lupine_85 | hopefully soon... :D | 05:54 |
| gnomefreak | Jucato: i wouldnt advise that till final release feisty maybe | 05:54 |
| lupine_85 | (nouveau) | 05:54 |
| Jucato | right now I can escape by redirecting them to #ubuntu+1 :D | 05:54 |
| gnomefreak | Jucato: thanks :( | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | although they should be in there anyway | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | thats what they get for testing | 05:55 |
| Jucato | gnomefreak: I'd rather they be in #ubuntu+1 rather than cause some panic because of broken upgrades... | 05:55 |
| Jucato | that happened sometime earlier.. | 05:56 |
| Laser_away | heh | 05:56 |
| gnomefreak | they *should* all be in ubuntu+1 for feisty questions | 05:56 |
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| gnomefreak | lol | 05:56 |
| Jucato | it was like "I got some broken packages in today's updates" and other were "what?! where? when?!" | 05:56 |
| Jucato | s/other/others | 05:56 |
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| Laser_away | bbiab | 05:58 |
| gnomefreak | i will slap something in title about it | 05:58 |
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| sacater | feisty isn't LTS is it? | 06:07 |
| siretart | allee: any new about fai? | 06:07 |
| siretart | sacater: no | 06:07 |
| Jucato | sacater: nope | 06:07 |
| Jucato | according to an interview with Riddell, the next LTS will be 8.04... | 06:08 |
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| allee | siretart: no. My feisty polishing deployment. After that (maybe today) I will try to build a new kernel | 06:09 |
| siretart | allee: ok. I remember you prepared a merge in launchpad. does it reference the 2.6.17 or 2.6.20 kernels? does it still make sense to wait for fai-kernels 2.6.20? | 06:10 |
| sacater | Jucato: ok, just wanted to make sure | 06:10 |
| allee | siretart: 2.6.17 is used | 06:10 |
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| siretart | I didn't upload it that time because I thought that I would find some time to look at 2.6.20 kernels. I didn't :( | 06:10 |
| allee | siretart: I don't know how many kernel build cycles I need until it builds. So there's a bit of uncertainty | 06:10 |
| siretart | allee: ic | 06:11 |
| allee | siretart: yeah, me too. Until today laptop installation 2.6.17 worked fine but now 2.6.17 recognized /dev/hda and 2.6.20 /dev/sda :( | 06:12 |
| siretart | allee: given that the release isn't too far away, and we're past beta, what do you think is best for fai in feisty? | 06:12 |
| allee | siretart: 2.10 is broken with feisty. So 3.10 even with 2.6.17 kernel is the better choice. | 06:13 |
| allee | siretart: AFAIR the special kubuntu kernel was only needed for FAI CDs, right? | 06:13 |
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| siretart | allee: kubuntu kernel? | 06:14 |
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| siretart | allee: kubuntu kernel? | 06:14 |
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| allee | siretart: I never used them. So maybe I can try if the PXE stuff still works if we use the standard kernel | 06:15 |
| allee | siretart: sorry, the k is in my fingers | 06:15 |
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| siretart | ;) | 06:17 |
| siretart | allee: the problem is rather to produce a suitable initramfs for PXE booting. this would need to be documented properly | 06:17 |
| Lutin | do you think that murrine 0.5.2 would ne suitable for an UVFe ? (changes at http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/download.php) | 06:26 |
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| mr_pouit | hi there | 06:32 |
| pochu | heya mr_pouit | 06:32 |
| mr_pouit | hi pochu | 06:32 |
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| bddebian | Hey, it's the FNG, load him up with work!! :) | 06:37 |
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| jwendell | Hi, my previous package did not build on sparc and ia64. The bug is marked as 'fix committed'. I've made another debdiff, which solves this. Did i do the right thing? | 06:46 |
| jwendell | bug 78055 | 06:46 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 78055 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on sun-java5; sun-java6 is now available" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78055 | 06:46 |
| jussi01 | dholbach, ping | 06:47 |
| dholbach | jussi01: pong | 06:47 |
| jussi01 | dholbach, further to our conversation last night, on bug 93932 do I need to add some thing to the bug report? or will you do that? | 06:48 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 93932 in gnotime "[UNMETDEPS] gnotime has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93932 | 06:48 |
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| dholbach | jussi01: if it's a rebuild that fixes it, you can add a changelog entry and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug report, so they upload it for you | 06:49 |
| jwendell | dholbach, hi | 06:49 |
| jwendell | dholbach, can you answer my question? | 06:49 |
| dholbach | jwendell: looks ok | 06:50 |
| jwendell | dholbach, so, i did the right thing... thanks | 06:51 |
| dholbach | ok | 06:51 |
| jussi01 | dholbach, thanks, so what do I need to attach to the bug report? my .deb? also other stuff? Im sorry to bother, but this is the first one I have done. | 06:51 |
| dholbach | jussi01: add a debian/changelog entry using dch | 06:52 |
| dholbach | jussi01: then create a debdiff and attach it there | 06:52 |
| jwendell | dholbach, ah, one more question: should i mark the bug as 'in progress', instead of leave it as 'fix commited'? | 06:52 |
| dholbach | jwendell: both is fine | 06:52 |
| dholbach | jussi01: hum... the normal gnomad2 installs fine for me | 06:53 |
| jussi01 | dholbach, gnomad2? | 06:53 |
| dholbach | jussi01: wasn't that the package? | 06:53 |
| dholbach | arg | 06:54 |
| jussi01 | gnotime | 06:54 |
| dholbach | gnoTIME | 06:54 |
| jussi01 | :D | 06:54 |
| dholbach | hum, that installs fine too | 06:54 |
| === jussi01 wonder why there was a bug? | ||
| dholbach | strange | 06:54 |
| dholbach | maybe it was broken at that time | 06:55 |
| dholbach | if you check the current version, you will see that it's 2.2.2-8build1 | 06:55 |
| dholbach | so it was rebuilt already | 06:55 |
| jussi01 | oh... | 06:55 |
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| dholbach | so it should be safe to close the bug now | 06:56 |
| dholbach | jussi01: thanks for working on it | 06:56 |
| Toadstool | g'morning everybody | 06:56 |
| dholbach | hi Toadstool | 06:56 |
| jussi01 | dholbach, no probs, do you have some suggestions of other simple bugs I can do? | 06:56 |
| Toadstool | hey dholbach | 06:56 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 06:56 |
| dholbach | jussi01: maybe some more of that list? | 06:57 |
| Toadstool | hi bddebian | 06:57 |
| bddebian | jussi01: Look at ajmitch's RC bug list mentioned in /topic and file sync requests/UVFes :-) | 06:57 |
| jussi01 | dholbach, ok, Im working on them then :D | 06:57 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO | 06:57 |
| === dholbach high-fives jussi01 | ||
| jussi01 | :D | 06:57 |
| jussi01 | dholbach, will you close that bug? | 06:58 |
| dholbach | you can do that too | 06:58 |
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| Toadstool | jussi01: yay! more karma ;) | 06:58 |
| dholbach | jussi01: click on the yellow bar in the middle | 06:59 |
| jussi01 | dholbach, ahh thanks | 06:59 |
| Toadstool | gar, dunno if it's because of the proxy here at TI but LP beta is so freakin slow today... | 07:00 |
| jussi01 | Toadstool, its nice and fast here | 07:00 |
| jussi01 | bug 93932 | 07:00 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 93932 in gnotime "[UNMETDEPS] gnotime has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93932 | 07:00 |
| jussi01 | :D | 07:00 |
| === Toadstool hugs jussi01 | ||
| === jussi01 goes back to squashing bugs... see you soon with the next question...:D | ||
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| === Adri2000 wonders why faad2 is in multiverse while it's in debian/main | ||
| zul | license maybe? | 07:03 |
| zul | or oversight | 07:04 |
| Adri2000 | I see the version is different | 07:04 |
| Adri2000 | we have an incredible one: 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu3 | 07:04 |
| Adri2000 | debian has just 2.5-2 | 07:05 |
| pochu | 2004 xD | 07:05 |
| Adri2000 | yeah, it seems a bit old | 07:06 |
| Adri2000 | no change since dapper | 07:06 |
| zul | or someone didnt care about it | 07:06 |
| Adri2000 | slomo_ is the only one in the changelog | 07:06 |
| zul | ask slomo then | 07:07 |
| Adri2000 | slomo_: why is faad2 in multiverse but is in debian/main? if it's just because we have a too old version, do you think we can sync? | 07:08 |
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| mr_pouit | Adri2000: I think it is because of the "+mp4v2+" | 07:12 |
| Adri2000 | ok, I think the difference is that we use --with-drm | 07:15 |
| Adri2000 | --with-mp4v2 is used in debian as well | 07:15 |
| Adri2000 | --with-drm compile libfaad with DRM support | 07:16 |
| Adri2000 | do we really need that? :/ | 07:16 |
| mr_pouit | Adri2000: libmp4v2-0 is in multiverse | 07:20 |
| mr_pouit | so, unless it moves in universe, faad has to stay in multiverse ^^" | 07:20 |
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| Adri2000 | mr_pouit: but libmp4v2-dev is faad2 ;) | 07:22 |
| Adri2000 | and libmp4v2-0 too | 07:22 |
| Adri2000 | they are binary packages of faad2 | 07:23 |
| mr_pouit | Adri2000: I think I have to sleep :D | 07:23 |
| Adri2000 | good night :p | 07:23 |
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| shawarma | Is there any way to make gdb save a core file representing the current state of a traced application? | 08:12 |
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| slomo_ | Adri2000: we have that version because every newer version has an gpl incompatible license | 08:25 |
| slomo_ | Adri2000: for example the version in debian | 08:25 |
| slomo_ | Adri2000: and it's in multiverse because of patents | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | slomo_: the version in debian has a gpl incompatible license? | 08:26 |
| slomo_ | yes | 08:26 |
| Adri2000 | Copyright: | 08:26 |
| Adri2000 | This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it | 08:26 |
| Adri2000 | under the terms of the GNU General Public License Version 2, found on | 08:26 |
| Adri2000 | Debian systems in the file /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL. | 08:26 |
| Adri2000 | from debian/copyright of the package in debian | 08:26 |
| slomo_ | debian/copyright is wrong | 08:26 |
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| slomo_ | it is GPL plus one clause that requires every app using the lib to print a text in the about box or somewhere else visible | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | slomo_: so should Debian have it? it seems odd that they'd be ok with it and we wouldn't | 08:27 |
| slomo_ | i filed a bug about that | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | ah | 08:28 |
| Adri2000 | slomo_: it is also stated in debian/copyright: | 08:28 |
| Adri2000 | Some files in this source distribution also include the following clause in | 08:28 |
| Adri2000 | addition to the above license: | 08:28 |
| Adri2000 | ... | 08:28 |
| slomo_ | ah ok, that was fixed then | 08:28 |
| Adri2000 | "Software using this code must display the following message visibly in or on each copy of the software: [...] " yes, but it's still in debian/main | 08:29 |
| Adri2000 | slomo_: so do you think we can sync this package in order to have it in universe? | 08:31 |
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| jussi01 | hi motu's, I was having a look at bug 96358 and it seems to build fine in pbuilder. could it have been fixed already? | 08:41 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 96358 in sysv-rc-bootsplash "[UNMETDEPS] sysv-rc-bootsplash has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96358 | 08:41 |
| geser | jussi01: have you checked the deps of the build deb? | 08:44 |
| jussi01 | geser, ahh...stupid me, it depends on bootsplash, which doesnt exist | 08:45 |
| jussi01 | geser, any idea how I would find out what replces bootsplash? | 08:46 |
| shawarma | jussi01: apt-cache showpkg bootsplash, probably. | 08:47 |
| shawarma | jussi01: "Reverse provides" or something. | 08:47 |
| geser | bootsplash is still in Debian unstable | 08:48 |
| geser | the question is why it isn't in Ubuntu | 08:48 |
| jussi01 | reverse provides splashy :D | 08:48 |
| Adri2000 | jussi01: bootsplash is in debian, but not in feisty, it needs a sync request with an FF exception | 08:48 |
| jussi01 | Adri2000, ok, so is that something for me to do? | 08:49 |
| Adri2000 | hmm, but the package is not really young, so I don't know why it hasn't been automatically synced... | 08:49 |
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| Adri2000 | jussi01: first, find out why it's not already in ubuntu | 08:50 |
| Adri2000 | anyone knows where is the sync black list? | 08:51 |
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| Adri2000 | found it, jussi01: see that bootsplash is in http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt | 08:56 |
| shawarma | Adri2000: 2 sec. | 08:56 |
| Adri2000 | shawarma: ^ :p | 08:56 |
| shawarma | Adri2000: Ok. | 08:56 |
| jussi01 | Adri2000, so what does that mean for me? | 08:57 |
| Adri2000 | jussi01: we don't have bootsplash because we have our own usplash, and sysv-rc-bootsplash is probably not needed either since it seems to be useful only with bootsplash | 08:57 |
| jussi01 | Adri2000, so what do I need to do about it? add a coment to the bug? or? | 08:58 |
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| pochu | hey sacater! | 08:59 |
| sacater | pochu: got me another basic bug :D, no desktop file for the 'bloboats' game | 09:00 |
| Adri2000 | jussi01: you could ask for a removal from the archive, but first you need to make sure that it's really useless without bootsplash, same with the package bootsplash-theme-debian I think | 09:00 |
| pochu | sacater: good, I also started with desktop files :) | 09:01 |
| sacater | pochu: the only real work is making the actual picture, otherwise its pretty straightforward | 09:01 |
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| jussi01 | Adri2000, so that reverse provides that shawarma suggested that returned splashy isnt a replacement for bootsplash? | 09:01 |
| === sacater completes turning his pen into a Class5 incindiary device | ||
| jussi01 | sacater, be careful with that ;) | 09:03 |
| Adri2000 | jussi01: splashy provides and replaces bootsplash, we have splashy so it's ok. I don't know how it works with usplash though | 09:04 |
| sacater | jussi01: i can tell you how it works if youd like, can be done to almost any pen if you have match ends, lighter fuel, thread, and some time | 09:04 |
| jussi01 | Adri2000, Ill have a play with it | 09:04 |
| Adri2000 | jussi01: splashy "doesn't require patching the Linux kernel.", maybe it's the problem with bootsplash | 09:04 |
| jussi01 | sacater, nah, i fine wothout making bombs...thanks... :P | 09:04 |
| jussi01 | ahhh...maybe | 09:05 |
| sacater | jussi01: when i say bomb, i mean it would make a travelling bag start to smoulder, then catch alight | 09:05 |
| sacater | LD | 09:06 |
| sacater | :D | 09:06 |
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| sacater | hee hee heee heeeeee | 09:06 |
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| sacater | please dont call the cops..... | 09:09 |
| sacater | :P | 09:09 |
| sacater | desktop files go in /usr/bin/applications right? | 09:13 |
| enyc | sacater: meep | 09:13 |
| sacater | enyc: meep meep | 09:14 |
| enyc | ;-) | 09:14 |
| sacater | enyc: is it right? | 09:14 |
| enyc | erm not sure | 09:15 |
| enyc | sacater: /usr/bin is binaries of most things (some are in /bin too) | 09:16 |
| sacater | okies | 09:16 |
| enyc | sacater: I dont recognize /usr/bin/applications *and* that does not exist on my edgy system | 09:16 |
| sacater | whoops | 09:16 |
| sacater | sorry | 09:16 |
| sacater | i made a BIG mistkate | 09:16 |
| sacater | /usr/share/applications | 09:16 |
| enyc | sacater: ~/Desktop contains files that appear on desktop within a particular user account ;-) | 09:16 |
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| enyc | sacater: I can see .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ | 09:17 |
| enyc | sacater: Im not sure what reads those files... | 09:18 |
| enyc | sacater: maybe /usr/local/share/applications is looked at too... maybe not | 09:18 |
| sacater | meh | 09:19 |
| sacater | ill get it right... | 09:19 |
| pochu | sacater: /usr/share/applications is the path :) | 09:21 |
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| sacater | pochu: thanks. thought so | 09:21 |
| === jussi01 is going to bed, night all | ||
| pochu | night jussi01! | 09:21 |
| sacater | jussi01: bye | 09:22 |
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| sacater | pochu: if i add a desktop file to the package, who should the maintainer be, me or the original | 09:27 |
| pochu | sacater: noone, but the MOTU team | 09:28 |
| sacater | :| | 09:28 |
| pochu | sacater: and you should add a XSBC-Original-Maintainer: field | 09:28 |
| pochu | to the control file | 09:28 |
| sacater | right | 09:28 |
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| sacater | i put my name in that field or MOTU | 09:29 |
| sacater | sorry | 09:29 |
| sacater | mistake | 09:29 |
| sacater | forget it | 09:29 |
| sacater | pochu: Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU | 09:30 |
| sacater | XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 09:30 |
| enyc | question... for big 78005 -- do I (now that the Universe SRU policy has changed) now need to "prepare a second upload to release-updates:" ?? | 09:30 |
| enyc | err bug | 09:30 |
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| enyc | im not sure howto exactly.... or a universe sponsor needs to? | 09:30 |
| enyc | (the requirement (7 days, at least 2 worksforme) has now been satisfied) | 09:30 |
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| pochu | sacater: the ubuntu motu should have an @ubuntu address | 09:32 |
| welshbyte | sacater: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> | 09:33 |
| sacater | welshbyte pochu: ty | 09:33 |
| sacater | Source: bloboats | 09:33 |
| sacater | Section: games | 09:33 |
| sacater | Priority: optional | 09:33 |
| sacater | Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> | 09:33 |
| sacater | XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 09:33 |
| pochu | sacater: np: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html | 09:33 |
| sacater | Uploaders: Gonri Le Bouder <goneri@rulezlan.org> | 09:34 |
| sacater | pochu: that look right? | 09:34 |
| pochu | sacater: yeah | 09:34 |
| sacater | cool | 09:34 |
| pochu | you just have to move the maintainer to the original maintainer, then add an @ubuntu maintainer (motu for motu packages) | 09:35 |
| sacater | erm | 09:35 |
| sacater | dont follow | 09:35 |
| sacater | can you mod it for me | 09:36 |
| sacater | Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> | 09:36 |
| sacater | XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 09:36 |
| slomo_ | Adri2000: no... as it will make everything linking to it currently break the license of it | 09:36 |
| Adri2000 | :( | 09:37 |
| Adri2000 | sacater: it's okay like that | 09:37 |
| sacater | Adri2000: coool | 09:38 |
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| sacater | Adri2000: does the changelog entry log good.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12609/ | 09:41 |
| welshbyte | sacater: you need to put your actual email address in there | 09:42 |
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| welshbyte | instead of @neo | 09:42 |
| sacater | ah yes | 09:43 |
| sacater | quite so | 09:43 |
| sacater | i have a matrix network | 09:43 |
| sacater | trinity morpheus etc | 09:43 |
| sacater | file server is called zion | 09:43 |
| welshbyte | also if it's fixing a bug, you might want to reference it like (LP #12345) | 09:44 |
| sacater | ah yes | 09:44 |
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| sacater | of course | 09:44 |
| sacater | can do | 09:44 |
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| Adri2000 | sacater: s/unstable/feisty/ | 09:45 |
| sacater | ok | 09:45 |
| welshbyte | oops missed that one :) | 09:45 |
| sacater | if i get this done it will be my second package amendment/bug | 09:46 |
| sacater | the first was my tea.desktop file | 09:46 |
| sacater | and LaserJock uploaded for me :D | 09:46 |
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| sacater | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12611/ | 09:47 |
| welshbyte | that top line isn't in the file, right? | 09:48 |
| pochu | sacater: are you using "dch -i" ? | 09:48 |
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| shawarma | sacater: You shouldn't update the debian version. (ie. your version should be 1.0.1.dsfg-1ubuntu1) | 09:49 |
| sacater | welshbyte: no | 09:50 |
| sacater | pochu: yes | 09:50 |
| sacater | shawarma: it is i think | 09:50 |
| sacater | oh with a 1 | 09:50 |
| shawarma | sacater: Precisely. | 09:51 |
| sacater | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12613/ | 09:51 |
| sacater | try that | 09:51 |
| pochu | hmm, sacater: dch -i already does that (at least in feisty hehe) | 09:52 |
| pochu | I mean: from -1 to -1ubuntu1, and adds feisty instead of unstable | 09:52 |
| sacater | well it didnt for me | 09:52 |
| sacater | and im not using feisty until 1 week after its release | 09:53 |
| sacater | so all the major bugs people find can be destroyed | 09:53 |
| pochu | hehe | 09:53 |
| welshbyte | ... | 09:53 |
| shawarma | sacater: Looks better. I think though that the recommended syntax for the LP bug thing is "(LP: #12345)" (note the colon). | 09:53 |
| sacater | ok | 09:54 |
| sacater | can do | 09:54 |
| sacater | right | 09:54 |
| sacater | is it okay now that if put the colon in? | 09:55 |
| welshbyte | looks ok | 09:57 |
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| welshbyte | sacater: btw if you're using edgy to fix feisty packages, you might want to make sure that they're actually feisty packages and test build them using a feisty pbuilder | 10:03 |
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| zorglu_ | q. i would like to start a deamon when the user login. i look at tracker package, and it has a /usr/share/autostart/trackerd.desktop. this seems to be the thing i could copy. is there a documentation on this file format ? | 10:04 |
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| allee | siretart: no luck (as you predicted) with fai-kernels. I've tried the ubuntu -generic one and one with CONFIG_NFS_FS=y. In both cases the kernel could not handle the root=nfs... kernel parm | 10:07 |
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| sacater | pochu: if i made a .desktop file from scratch, but made a legit one, dont i need to add it to a file somewhere, so it knows where to put it and everything | 10:14 |
| welshbyte | zorglu_: all i can find is https://launchpad.net/bugs/32475 | 10:14 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 32475 in gnome-session "autostart documentation" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 10:14 |
| zorglu_ | welshbyte: ok looking, i found http://l10n.kde.org/docs/admin/autostart-and-runonce.html but it is kde specific | 10:15 |
| zorglu_ | welshbyte: thanks for looking tho :) | 10:15 |
| welshbyte | np | 10:15 |
| pochu | sacater: yeah, to debian/rules, for example | 10:15 |
| pochu | sacater: or debian/package.files, depends on the package | 10:15 |
| enyc | question... for bug number 78005 -- do I (now that the Universe SRU policy has changed) now need to "prepare a second upload to release-updates:" ?? | 10:15 |
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| enyc | (the requirement (7 days, at least 2 worksforme) has now been satisfied) | 10:16 |
| enyc | (but I dont know howto do the release-updates) | 10:16 |
| enyc | or If snomebody in MOTEU somewhere does that | 10:16 |
| enyc | MOTU | 10:16 |
| enyc | (ive read the MOTU SRU page on wiki.ubuntu.com -- but im not sure who does the release-updathe preparation!!! | 10:18 |
| zorglu_ | welshbyte: fyi the spec seems to be http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html | 10:18 |
| welshbyte | zorglu_: cool | 10:18 |
| enyc | im confused | 10:18 |
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| enyc | err... yawns | 10:18 |
| enyc | grrr | 10:19 |
| enyc | error! | 10:19 |
| welshbyte | meep | 10:19 |
| enyc | error! | 10:19 |
| pochu | oups :) | 10:19 |
| enyc | pochu: dont press that button!!! | 10:20 |
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| Monk-e | that is one big ass netsplit :o | !ohmy | Monk-e | 10:20 |
| enyc | pochu: bad pochu! | 10:20 |
| enyc | lol ;-) | 10:20 |
| sacater | what is netsplit | 10:23 |
| sacater | ive never seen it much before | 10:23 |
| sacater | didnt want to ask | 10:23 |
| enyc | sacater: the IRC site 'irc.freenode.net' is actually a collection of different servers. | 10:23 |
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| enyc | sacater: a 'netsplit' is when some server(s) become disconnected | 10:24 |
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| enyc | sacater: in the DNS, irc.freenode.net is an alias (cname) for 'chat.freenode.net' and 'chat.freenode.net' has the addresses 194.24.188.100, 208.71.169.36, 85.188.1.26, 140.211.166.3, 140.211.166.4 | 10:25 |
| enyc | e | 10:25 |
| enyc | sacater: i.e. your irc program may try to connect ot any address... | 10:25 |
| sacater | okay | 10:26 |
| sacater | thanks | 10:26 |
| enyc | sacater: when there is a 'split' users who happen to be on different servers but in the same 'shared channel' then get disconnected -- and the "quits:" list shows those | 10:26 |
| psusi | were there any serious changes in X fonts between dapper and edgy? | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | zakame: thanks for the blog post. I was looking for exactly that this week | 10:27 |
| sacater | hey, can someone take a look at this, i THINK it means there is something wrong with my debian/rules file | 10:27 |
| sacater | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12630/ | 10:28 |
| psusi | since I upgraded non gnome X apps can't locate fonts even though they are shown in xlsfonts and xfontsel... | 10:28 |
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| jekil | slomo_: hi, can i ask you for mentoring? | 10:35 |
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| mr_pouit | sacater: it seems the docbook-to-man command is missing. Did you install the package (and put it in the Build-Depends of your package)? | 10:39 |
| sacater | yes | 10:40 |
| sacater | hang on | 10:40 |
| sacater | one mo.... | 10:40 |
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| sacater | cp debian/bloboats.xpm debian/bloboats/usr/share/pixmaps | 10:45 |
| sacater | cp debian/bloboats.desktop debian/bloboats/usr/share/applications/ | 10:45 |
| sacater | the second one is my desktop file | 10:45 |
| sacater | whats wrong.... | 10:46 |
| bddebian | does that dir exist? | 10:47 |
| sacater | how do you mean? | 10:47 |
| sacater | which one | 10:48 |
| sacater | there are 2 there | 10:48 |
| bddebian | usr/share/applications | 10:48 |
| sacater | yes | 10:48 |
| sacater | it exists | 10:48 |
| sacater | should do on any edgy system | 10:48 |
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| ajmitch | sacater: no, does it exist under debian/bloboats? | 10:49 |
| sacater | no | 10:49 |
| sacater | it dosnt | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | then make it so | 10:49 |
| sacater | ok.. | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | there'll be a dirs file (or bloboats.dirs) | 10:50 |
| sacater | ok | 10:50 |
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| sacater | bddebian: grow up | 10:51 |
| sacater | ajmitch: in the .dirs, do i add the directort i just made | 10:51 |
| bddebian | I'm growing old but I refuse to grow up | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | no, it makes the directory | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | by you placing it in there | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: we know | 10:52 |
| sacater | ok | 10:52 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: pfft | 10:53 |
| sacater | ajmitch: so i should leave bloboats.dir alone | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | no, that's what I'm saying | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | you don't make the directory manually | 10:53 |
| bddebian | No, you should add usr/share/applications to .dirs | 10:53 |
| sacater | ok | 10:53 |
| sacater | cna do | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | dh_installdirs uses the dirs file | 10:53 |
| sacater | even though it already exists? | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: hmm, I'm trying figure out what you are snickering about | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | because debian/bloboats will get removed on clean | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | maybe I don't want to know | 10:53 |
| bddebian | no | 10:53 |
| sacater | with .desktop files in | 10:53 |
| sacater | LaserJock: he finds bloboats funny | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | the .desktop files are put there at build time | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | each time it gets built | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | the directory gets created for every build | 10:54 |
| sacater | ah | 10:54 |
| sacater | pl | 10:54 |
| sacater | ok | 10:54 |
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| sacater | ajmitch: do i also put my .desktop file in /debian/bloboats/usr/share/applications | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | isn't that what you were doing anyway? | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | (minus the preceding /) | 10:56 |
| sacater | yes | 10:56 |
| sacater | ok | 10:56 |
| sacater | let me try building | 10:56 |
| sacater | after a crap | 10:56 |
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| bddebian | Oh and he complains about my snickering.. | 11:02 |
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| zorglu_ | q. i would like to launch webbrowser from a script, how can i determine the prefered browser for the user ? | 11:44 |
| zorglu_ | is there a script or something ? | 11:44 |
| zorglu_ | or i could write a crappy one myself :) | 11:46 |
| zorglu_ | just looking for 'best practice' :) | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | I think there scripts/alternatives | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | sensible-browser is one | 11:47 |
| zorglu_ | looking thanks :) | 11:48 |
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| bddebian | Heya geser | 11:53 |
| geser | Hi bddebian | 11:53 |
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| racarr | sensible-browser is just going to execute x-www-browser | 12:01 |
| racarr | or $BROWSER | 12:01 |
| racarr | zorglu_: ^ | 12:02 |
| zorglu_ | racarr: yep i looked at it, it does a lot of things, it is way better that anything i could write myself :) | 12:02 |
| racarr | heh you should be fine just running x-www-browser | 12:03 |
| racarr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2006-10-08 20:52 /usr/bin/x-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-03-11 16:52 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/konqueror | 12:03 |
| zorglu_ | or simply use the standard script :) | 12:04 |
| zorglu_ | i mean they did it, why would i bypass them :) | 12:04 |
| bddebian | Later gang | 12:07 |
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| TheMuso_ | Hey MOTUs. | 12:07 |
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