=== finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] crimsun, slomo: bug 97182 [12:21] Malone bug 97182 in liferea "[UVFe] liferea 1.2.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97182 [12:22] not much of a 'debdiff' [12:23] I'm actually building it - builds fine with dpkg-buildpackage, let's see in pbuilder === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BEE64C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] night :) [12:58] Is there a way to auto-generate Makefile.am? [01:00] AstralJava: there are some skeletons out there that can help [01:00] but generally no [01:00] take a look at the autoproject package [01:00] or some IDEs can do it [01:01] ajmitch: Thanks. This project suddenly dropped a whole lotta files that were mentioned in one. I'm going it thru now with make dist && deleting the ones it stalls on. :) [01:01] So I'm guessing I either write a script that takes care of it, or spend a similar amount of time to do it by hand. :) === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LjL [n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === so1 [n=soc@p54addb0e.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54bef8c7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@123.200.139.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ad3fa.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] Hey RAOF [03:17] Hey TheMuso [03:17] hi TheMuso, RAOF [03:18] Hi ajmitch [03:28] Hi TheMuso, RAOF, ajmitch... :-) [03:29] uh oh [03:31] Uh oh? [03:32] yes, "uh oh" === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] Extend the greeting chain unto infinity! === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ad3c7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] (Does every ascending chain have an upper bound?) [03:33] infinity is in here? ;-P [03:34] Of course. Infinity is in everywhere. That' [03:34] s the point :) [03:35] I just encountered infinite pleasure [03:35] http://www.lupine.me.uk/img/kawaii-chocolat.png [03:35] heh [03:35] Ooooh, dark chocolate rasberries? I can get behind that :) [03:36] It's so ++ it makes my eyes pop out of my head [03:36] i have some blueberry chocolate here [03:36] blueberry dark [03:36] 70% cocoa? ;) [03:36] 80% ;) [03:36] !! === RAOF tried some 99% cocoa chocholate once. [03:36] Also, 85% cocoa chocolate is *delicious* [03:36] ChocolateOverIP RFC, plzktnxbai [03:36] yeah [03:37] dark is the new white === CarlFK [n=carl@24.72.183.239] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] I was going to get some 86%, but this caught my eye instead [03:37] "raspberry heaven", etc [03:37] lupine_85: you're making me want to go and get some dark [03:37] :D === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] unfort. the place round here doesnt sell eclipse [03:38] excellent.. while all the MOTUs are distracted, I can sneakily upload all sorts of crud ;) [03:38] sweet [03:38] Hobbsee: http://www.lupine.me.uk/img/kawaii-chocolat.png :) [03:39] this is what i get from around the road: http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=3&cat=8&page=1 [03:39] lupine_85: you got MOTU? [03:39] and this is what i get from the place near my house: http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=12&cat=8&page=1 [03:39] no [03:39] but dude check this [03:39] http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=30&cat=8&page=1 [03:39] haven't applied or anything, at any rate [03:39] Ingredients: 100% organic cacao mass [03:39] ah [03:40] mm...chocolate [03:40] just discussing chocolate :) [03:40] ...100% cocoa... === welshbyte is now hungry [03:40] heh [03:40] yeah lupine_85 [03:40] drool, etc [03:40] this looks nice too [03:40] http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=4 [03:41] I still say they need to include the damn IRC nicks in the new MOTU announcements === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] bddebian: I agree (about the IRC nicks). [03:44] Who's the new person? === ajmitch is new [03:44] Oh, mr_pouit? [03:44] there was an announcement? [03:44] welshbyte: Yeah, they finally got smart and kicked me out ;-) [03:45] they'd kick me out first [03:45] not easy to kick out an omnipresent deity [03:46] pfft === bddebian is never going to live that stupid wiki page down [03:47] :) [03:47] bddebian: yes :) [03:48] mr_pouit: Ah, well Congratulations! [03:48] who's omnipresent? [03:49] LaserJock [03:49] bddebian: thanks ;) === chillywi1ly [n=danielb@CPE-72-133-223-147.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] ajmitch: no you're not. [03:50] ah, fair enough [03:50] lupine_85: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod === bddebian pokes welshbyte in the eye [03:51] .) [03:51] Ah, I see [03:51] hehe [03:51] tell me who to smite, oh lord, and they shall be smited! [03:52] me [03:52] gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you [03:52] heh [03:54] Isn't the past tense of "smite" "smote"? [03:54] I'm just quoting === RAOF thinks smote sounds cooler :) [03:54] (Homer Simpson) [03:54] "And the number that shall be counted is 3" [03:55] although I was torn between smited and smitten; but the latter is obviously wrong [03:55] bddebian: that's nae ordinary rarebit! [03:55] hehe === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-109.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-145-200.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] hello MOTUs! [04:37] Heya zakame [04:40] moin zakame, bddebian :) [04:40] oops... why did I respond :P [04:41] Heh, hi Jucato [04:49] time to sleep :P 'night all [04:50] Gnight mr_pouit [04:52] good, it built this time === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] _MMA_: Howd it go? === adamant1988_ [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] <_MMA_> Zeta? [05:14] Sorry wrong channel [05:14] hm, secret plotting? [05:14] ajmitch: No. === _MMA_ tried the Zeta live CD. [05:15] TheMuso: they all say that [05:15] hello everyone :) [05:15] ajmitch: heh === jdong [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joejaxx shakes his head at _MMA_ for constantly reboot [05:16] rebooting* === _MMA_ isnt gonna do VMware on his laptop. :) [05:16] lol === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945640.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] Gah, how do I step over a line in gdb without executing it? === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === initself [n=mike@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] Hi! [06:08] hello [06:08] I'm here to learn about packaging. [06:08] initself: Ok. [06:08] !packagingguide [06:08] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [06:08] initself: ^^ [06:11] initself: Have you had any experience with Ubuntu packages other than installing/removing? === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] No. I'm coming from Slackware. I've used ubuntu a handful of times but I'm ready to jump in. I'm so sick of Windows/Mac proprietary audio technologies. [06:12] I really want to understand how to make a stable, low latency audio system on Linux. [06:12] Ok great. [06:12] Well with UbuntuStudio, that is exactly what we are trying to do. [06:12] UbuntuStudio would love you :) [06:12] I program in Perl, but I've never learned what it takes to learn how to modify the codebase for things like Gnome, etc... === RAOF is too slow. [06:12] ie. Never had a reason to learn C [06:13] And if I start, I sure don't want to be using Visual Studio. :) [06:13] initself: Ok, the only programming language I am fluent in is shell, and I do a lot of packaging work. [06:13] You don't need to be able to program to be a packager. [06:13] perl =~ shell [06:13] I see. === bddebian isn't fluent in anything and does "some" packaging work :-) [06:14] bddebian: Some? COme on dude. You do heaps. [06:14] initself: So I suggest reading the packaging guide I pointed out above as a start, and we are here to answer any questions you may have. [06:14] You also might want to have a look through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU. There is information about the MOTU (Masters of the Universe), what we do, who we are etc. [06:14] As long as it doesn't involve Perl ;-P [06:14] pbuilder, baby [06:15] initself: In fact, I used to maintain an audio repository for Slackware. === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-062-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] Excellent. I always thought there was a lot of positive work done for audio on Slack. [06:16] Does it make sense for Ubuntu to lean towards compatibility with particular hardware and optimizing things for it?> [06:16] I changed however, due to my frustration at the lack of quality when it comes to putting together good packages, and other third party package repositories. [06:16] it. vendors who support linux and who are willing to work with "us" (ie. RME) ? [06:17] One of Ubuntu's goals is to support as much hardware as possible, even if it means one has to use some proprietary code to do so. === bddebian looks around for RMS [06:17] Well there are RME sound card drivers, as well as for M-Audio, and other good quality brands. [06:17] However, the firewire scene is not as good so far, due to each manufacturer using their own firewire stack and driver model. [06:17] True. [06:17] RME being one of those. [06:18] I don't know. [06:18] Pretty sure. [06:18] You would have to ask on the Linux-Audio-User mailing list, or in #lad about the card you intend to use. [06:18] for example... [06:18] audacity - Soundfile editor and multitracker. Packaged version had no JACK support. [06:19] What does the software supporting JACK have to do with packaging? [06:19] Are you referring to audacity in 6.10? [06:19] not sure, I am at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Audio [06:19] Ah ok. [06:19] In terms of packaging, it means that eventually, we would like to be able to use the Jack audio connection kit with audacity. [06:20] Now where would I turn to start understanding what the hell you mean? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] LaserJock: ! [06:20] hehe [06:20] I'm not *alway* omnipresent ;-) [06:20] initself: Ok, what are you confused about? [06:21] *always [06:21] LaserJock: Heh [06:21] Whether Audacity supports JACK is up to Audacity, right? [06:21] I am omnicient though, so you can't get away from me [06:21] hehe === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] initself: Yes, but it is also up to distributions that package it as to whether they want to build audacity with jack support. [06:22] initself: It can be enabled or disabled depending on how you configure it so the package in the repo might have been built with jack disabled [06:22] So while audacity may support jack, a package in a distro may not. [06:22] i keep getting this from The Google: ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. [06:22] Our next Ubuntu release, 7.04, otherwise known as feisty, has an audacity with jack. [06:22] wtf! [06:30] good lord, how does something like Audacity get built? [06:31] i'm look at the source code and i have no idea where to begin. [06:31] initself: Please read the packaging guide. It has a simple example to get you started. === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-bb9645292f973a2b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] DO YOU FOLKS LIKE COFFEE === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] loli haet coffee [06:41] and so do I :p [06:41] jmg: IT'S ALRIGHT === TheMuso does not like coffee. [06:43] TheMuso: ps, you forgot caps [06:43] screw caps. [06:43] ajmitch: coffee is the devil's drink ;-) [06:43] haha [06:44] LaserJock: lies [06:44] i'm a nicer person now that i don't drink coffee... tired, but nicer === TheMuso continues his hardware re-shuffle [06:44] maybe it's bedtime, I dunno [06:44] welshbyte: really? [06:45] I need to like coffee [06:45] the soda's killing my teeth [06:45] yeah, caffeine made me grumpy [06:45] tea > * [06:45] i drink water, milk, tea these days [06:45] I don't know that American's are allowed to drink tea [06:45] They are === ajmitch drinks tea [06:45] or if they are, it' has to be horrid === TheMuso drinks tea in the winter. [06:46] they just have to admit Britain is superior beforehand ;) [06:46] :) === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] lupine_85: ahhh [06:46] nah, cup of earl grey, or a nice herbal (cherry + cinnamon is my current favourite) goes down well, regardless of nationality [06:47] I have a british postdoc I work with [06:47] he says he has a hard time finding *real* tea here [06:47] it's probably true, but a /real/ tea freak can always make his/her own [06:48] anyway, definitely bed [06:48] maybe more beryl bugs when I wake up [06:48] g'night lupine_85 [06:49] Tea or water for me. Nothing else. [06:49] night lupine_85 === Fujitsu waves to everybody. [06:49] Night lupine_85. [06:49] Hey Fujitsu. [06:49] Hi TheMuso. [06:51] Gnight folks [06:51] Night bddebian2. [06:51] g'night bddebian2 [06:51] cya ... [06:51] I've only done two bug-triaging things in the past almost 48 hours :( === Fujitsu complains about school minimising Ubuntu time. === welshbyte sympathises [06:53] Fujitsu: you done with high school yet? [06:53] I can never remember where everybody is [06:53] LaserJock: Just 7 or 8 months to go. [06:54] got a uni picked out to go to? [06:54] pick otago uni [06:54] Not yet... I might defer a year, as I'm not even 16 yet. [06:54] ah, it might be nice [06:55] I started at 16 [06:55] kinda missed some things [06:55] there's really not much of a rush [06:55] ajmitch: That sounds sooo practical. [07:02] Fujitsu: it is [07:03] I'll commute daily. [07:03] just move [07:03] And terrorise you when I haven't got classes! === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-19-43.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] umm, silly question, but in what circumstances are we meant to assign bugs to people/ourselves? [07:09] If you or they are going to fix them, in most cases. [07:10] Some people assign all MOTU-related bugs to motu, which seems to me to simply be a way of artificially reducing unassigned bug totals. [07:12] it seems common to assign to yourself when setting a bug as 'needs info [07:12] but I have no idea why [07:12] Not exactly common, but it's still done for some reason. [07:12] (it's a documented procedure) [07:12] ajmitch: Is it? I didn't know our world was so silly. [07:12] it is [07:13] apparantly agreed on at a distro sprint, too [07:13] I haven't seen that one [07:13] odd, i usually just subscribe myself to bugs i ask for info on [07:13] welshbyte: That's what most people do. [07:13] I don't even do that === LaserJock is a bad boy [07:13] tsk :) [07:13] LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage [07:14] I think that you should be able to look at a bug, notice there's something in the assignee field, and know to move on 'cause it's being fixed. [07:14] the 'Complete Reports' section [07:14] (assigning to motu removes that ability) [07:15] ajmitch: madness [07:15] insanity! [07:15] I think bug work is just all around insane === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] I'm not very fond of it [07:16] I gotta get better though [07:16] I hope people come up with some ideas for DrinkingFromTheFirehose this UDS... We need them. [07:16] ajmitch: i wish i had that url before :P [07:17] Fujitsu: stop letting users file bugs? [07:17] might need to...jking. [07:17] LaserJock: Disabling apport post-release would help with that. [07:17] it's much easier to drink from a firehose if you turn the water off ;-) [07:18] course it can leave you a bit thirsty too [07:18] make ubuntu bugfree? [07:18] Heheh/ [07:18] i wish i could be at UDS...school...you know. one day i'll drop out and develop full time === ajmitch knows we'd still get flooded with bugs [07:18] Fujitsu, DrinkingFromTheFireHose? [07:18] superm1: working with all the bugs we get [07:18] Admiral_Chicago: sure, so will I ;) [07:18] superm1: The `crap, we're drowning in bugs' spec. [07:18] see you then [07:18] ajmitch: features ajmitch, they're called features [07:18] ah [07:19] LaserJock: and people want more of them [07:19] i don't want more...oh more features, not bug reports... === ajmitch should just save up, quit work & hack on ubuntu for a year ;) [07:19] or preferably get paid to do so [07:20] maybe we should set up a feature tracker so that users can report them === TheMuso would love to be paid to work on Ubuntu as well. [07:20] TheMuso: Wouldn't we all? === Jucato didn't see Admiral_Chicago come in... === Admiral_Chicago gives everyone a paycheck [07:20] don't cash that until Thursday [07:20] Admiral_Chicago: I'd prefer one that didn't bounce, thanks [07:20] heh [07:20] ...okay new plan [07:21] Admiral_Chicago: blank checks that don't bounce. please and thank you :) [07:21] Jucato: speaking of which, just left kubuntu...too much going on. [07:21] weakling :P [07:21] hey i have papers to write, doesn't mean they are being done, but they have to be done. [07:22] Admiral_Chicago: you in college? === Jucato gets back to his C++ book... [07:22] LaserJock: roger. doing comp sci and physics === Jucato would love to be back in school... [07:22] for a 2nd degree... [07:23] Admiral_Chicago: nifty [07:23] I should go back too [07:23] so if I were to try to tackle bug #96586 how would I do that [07:23] Malone bug 96586 in inkscape "Update Inkscape to 0.45.1 for the Feisty release" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96586 [07:23] but I think I better finish up this degree before I start on another one [07:23] it probably won't make it there, but for practice [07:24] hm.. speaking of which... I'm trying to learn how to package too (that's why I'm here, btw) :D [07:25] *silence* [07:25] calm before the storm? :-) [07:25] !packagingguide [07:25] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [07:26] heh yeah I'm browsing through the guide... but last time I went over it, kinda has a few holes... I mean from a newbie's perspective... === LaserJock pouts in the corner [07:26] which Hobbsee suggested that I take note of, so that I could contribute in the future :) [07:27] you get the hang of it after playing with a few packages :) [07:27] it's the "before playing" part that I find scary... but I got through 1/3 of the guide and packaged hello :D === LaserJock gives Hobbsee a hug when she's back === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@64.62.231.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jucato is actually wading through the MOTU wikis... trying to make sense of it and takes notes for future reference === LaserJock hides [07:29] look up the unmetdeps, ftbfs and packaging tagged bugs on launchpad and try to make debdiffs that fix them is a good way to learn... i found trying to create a new package from scratch was hard until i got some experience from trying to bugfix [07:29] LaserJock: they're actually quite good. and they document a lot. but a lot can be overwhelming... at least I was, first time I tried :) [07:30] ftbs = failed to build from source? [07:30] Jucato: yup [07:30] ah.. I think I'm going to encounter a lot of ftbfs and pebkac's :D [07:30] yeah, get used to the acronym's too, they get a bit confusing until you figure them all out ;) [07:30] Admiral_Chicago: thought you were studying :) [07:30] s/'// [07:31] no, i told you I *had* to, not that I actually was [07:31] hope I don't get hit by a RTFM or RTFW (W = wiki) :D [07:31] Admiral_Chicago: ah. I usually equate "had to" and "left #kubuntu" with "actually doing" :D [07:31] LaserJock: what should i do affect i create a patch for a bug? [07:32] welshbyte: ah come one. you're telling me that filing UVFes or SRUs for FTBFS is hard to figure out? ;-) [07:32] you get told to RTFM everywhere really, the good thing about the ubuntu crowd is that they leave the F out ;) [07:32] lol [07:32] welshbyte: or just use ubotu :D [07:32] read the fine manual [07:32] :) === Jucato pets ubotu :) [07:32] joejaxx: what? [07:33] is Ubuntu Mentors still functioning? and raphink still the (and only?) mentor for Kubuntu/KDE stuff? [07:33] LaserJock: YIA ;) [07:33] ok YIA I don't know :) [07:33] i was wondering about that as well [07:33] LaserJock: i was wonder what i should do with a patch i made for a bug lol [07:34] Jucato: mentors is still kinda functioning, and it really shouldn't matter much what area they are from === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:34] I nominate nixternal as a co-mentor :) [07:34] joejaxx: attach it :-) [07:34] "Yes I Am" - i was just making a point :) [07:34] LaserJock: ah kool :) [07:34] second [07:34] JFGI :) [07:34] welshbyte: lol! that was too easy... why didn't I think of it :D === Jucato bangs head on the nearby table [07:34] Jucato: MOTU Mentor was initially set up to get people introduced to MOTU and some of the social/communication stuff [07:34] LaserJock: ah ok [07:35] aaaaa ;) [07:35] not necessarily to teach people everything about packaging [07:35] LaserJock: yep. and it's not meant to... [07:35] bah you said it before I finished typing :D === Jucato ncurses his fingers [07:35] don't do that [07:35] at least wrap them with some python ;-) [07:35] rofl [07:36] okay I'm going to try to build this package tonight, maybe upload it to an online source [07:36] LaserJock: ok then what :P [07:36] which I'll probably port to some Qt once I get through this C++ thing that I *should be* studying right now... :( [07:36] LaserJock: can I ping you and you can see if I did it right? [07:36] debdiffs... @_@ === jml [n=jml@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] yea, those are nice, i was at a restaurant and I saw richard making one...it was cool [07:37] what? a debdiff? [07:37] which one was kool? debdiff or nixternal making one? :D === Jucato presumes the former [07:38] I was imagining him making a taco or something [07:38] Bah, you people which have other Ubuntuers near you. [07:38] debdiff, no richard is lame... :). [07:38] LaserJock: i uploaded a patch for bug 53001 === Admiral_Chicago hugs nixternal [07:38] Malone bug 53001 in wordpress "examples-mysql not adapted to ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53001 [07:38] :) [07:38] Admiral_Chicago: I still can't get that pic of nixternal from your website out of my head... [07:38] Jucato: my website...which picture is that? [07:39] er. Chicago LoCo's flicker site [07:39] I showed it to him, he was in the middle of talking... scary face :D [07:39] oh hahaha, yea those pictures are awesome. [07:39] you were not in any of them :P [07:40] they gave a dude an Ubuntu CD and he said "i'll listen to this in my car on the way home" [07:40] joejaxx: looks good [07:40] Jucato: i was at school... [07:40] lol (1st sentence) aw... (re: at school) [07:41] okay, gotta make sure I don't drop out, seriously going to work [07:41] Admiral_Chicago: what a cool idea [07:41] we need an Ubuntu Audio CD [07:41] :) [07:41] who'll be on it? jono? :D [07:41] with Mark and Jono, et. al [07:41] yeah that would be nice [07:41] well it would be cool to have a short thing on there <> [07:42] but, it was funny because he took the picture, then thought the loco was pushing for...music(?) [07:42] LaserJock: what is the next step in the process [07:42] Admiral_Chicago: lol [07:43] :P [07:44] joejaxx: i believe it's procedure to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug when you attach a patch [07:44] oh ok === joejaxx goes to do that [07:45] heh, it won't matter too much in a sec [07:45] well, just for future reference ;) [07:45] oh ok :) === vi1 [n=vladimir@catv-tisnov-86.selfnet.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:45] welshbyte: thanks :) === joejaxx looks for more bitesized bugs [07:47] ok, uploaded === welshbyte thinks he should be a bit more vocal about his debdiffs in future [07:49] ;-) [07:50] LaserJock: thanks :) [07:51] bug 67263 *whistles innocently* [07:51] Malone bug 67263 in kile "[UNMETDEPS] Dependency on AMD64 needs to be updated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67263 [07:52] nixternal: I'm traveling. What do you need? === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] mmm, classic MOTU food [07:59] hmm? [07:59] welshbyte: uploaded. [07:59] crimsun: bah, I almost had it [07:59] LaserJock: pizza [07:59] :-) [07:59] yum... [07:59] crimsun: thanks :) [07:59] ajmitch: I thought we ate kryptonite [07:59] ajmitch: Don't make me hungry. [07:59] LaserJock: oh ? [07:59] no wonder I've been feeling odd lately === ajmitch is no superhero [08:00] me neither [08:01] I just pretend sometimes [08:01] :-) [08:01] oh you are [08:01] as are crimsun, bddebian, TheMuso et al [08:01] hah, ajmitch is now a superstar thanks to Cory's blog [08:01] heck yeah [08:02] real rock star material there [08:02] plus or minus a vowel. [08:02] no, those were a couple of little screenshots :P [08:02] nothing compared to what other people do === TheMuso is no hero. [08:02] everyone's so positive here [08:02] I am proud to work on this stuff, but no hero., [08:02] woohoo fixing bugs ftw === ajmitch is more of a motu fanboy than anything === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:04] Heroes are core-dev. [08:04] WHich mean ajmitch, crimsun, StevenK, and more that I don't know of from MOTU. :) [08:04] Seveas: :) welcome back [08:05] Seveas! === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-15.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] TheMuso: I only tend to touch about 1 package in main [08:05] morning [08:05] crappy provider broke his dhcp servers [08:05] ajmitch: pfft [08:06] TheMuso: seriously, I mainly just touch f-spot [08:06] Righto. [08:06] But you're still a hero. === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-df417385c4a88fd0] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch shrugs === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-19-43.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rohinton [n=chatzill@c-67-170-250-22.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] LaserJock: what does this mean? [08:22] dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address [08:22] dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field [08:24] joejaxx: if it's the first change of a debian package the Maintainer: field needs to be changed to 'Ubuntu MOTU Developers ' and the original maintainer moved to XSBC-Original-Maintainer: [08:24] ok [08:24] that's if it's a universe package, of course [08:24] thanks [08:24] i will do that now [08:26] good that got rid of those warning messages === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] joejaxx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField if you want some background reading on that [08:28] ok === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-15.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] http://fluxbuntu.org/bug96339.patch [08:35] does this look good to anyone? [08:37] No. [08:37] joejaxx: You mean to have the reverted stuff at the end? [08:37] More exactly: Does it work, and what's that stuff doing at the end? [08:38] hmm [08:38] i wonder why it did that [08:38] i only touched control and changelog [08:38] hold on === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] oh dear, he's touching phpgroupware [08:45] lol [08:45] joejaxx: I was going to upload that one anyway (for obvious reasons) [08:45] oh ok [08:46] since I'm the debian maintainer :) === joejaxx finds another one [08:46] ajmitch: yeah :) === ajmitch has a patch or two from upstream to look at & maybe put in [08:46] ajmitch: nice [08:46] and the change you introduced is wrong [08:46] since the main package still depends on php5 | php5 [08:46] bah [08:46] since the main package still depends on php5 | php4 === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [08:47] not everything always works nicely with php 5 [08:47] would a .desktop file be in /debian/ in a package source tree, or do they come from upstream as well? [08:48] Kamping_Kaiser: They're meant to come from upstream, but don't always. [08:48] ajmitch: oh ok [08:48] hmm [08:48] what are you supposed to do then? [08:48] Fujitsu, thanks, i suppose that means i'll have to search the whole package, not just /debian/ [08:49] joejaxx: fix everything ;) [08:49] ajmitch: like with bug 96357 [08:49] Malone bug 96357 in opendb "[UNMETDEPS] opendb has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96357 [08:49] ajmitch: yeah but they depend on php4 [08:49] asking me about $RANDOM_PACKAGE isn't helping much [08:50] then you probably want to fix it to use php5 [08:51] <\sh> moins [08:51] hey \sh [08:51] joejaxx: sometimes code just isn't compatible with php5 yet [08:51] I know code I've inherited at work isn't [08:51] oh ok [08:51] grrr [08:52] most of those are php4/5 issues [08:52] may as well change the dependencies anyway, and deal with breakage later [08:52] sure [08:53] opendb appears to support php 5 [08:54] (with some php config tweaks) [08:54] hmm === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-9b2fe250ba11be94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-24-65.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:11] <\sh> ajmitch: you mean with "php config tweaks" to set php5 into php4 compatiblity mode? [09:11] in this case it was things like register_long_arrays, etc === Jucato forgot to wave to Hobbsee in here too [09:13] heya Jucato, ajmitch, \sh :) [09:13] Hobbsee!! :) === ajmitch hugs Hobbsee === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has left #Ubuntu-motu ["You] [09:14] :D === Jucato resists hugging Hobbsee [09:14] heh [09:15] those poor UDS attendees will be shocked by the new hair cut ;-) [09:15] afraid she'll beat you up? [09:15] (well, at least the ones that read planet.uc) === Hobbsee hugs Jucato and ajmitch [09:15] crimsun: hard to say, depends on how shockingly short it is [09:15] crimsun: hrm? [09:15] besides, Hobbsee hardly posts on planet [09:15] true === Hobbsee should blog more [09:16] she only posted 2 iirc === TheMuso returns from house duties. [09:16] heh === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-5cc8914c9b5af4f7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] LOL === pef [n=loic@A2-2.ppp35.hrnet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:21] helo === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-145-200.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71157.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] hellas [09:36] Hella awesome! === RAOF picked that up from radix :) === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:37] Hey dholbach. [09:38] hey TheMuso [09:38] <\sh> moins dholbach [09:39] TheMuso: we should maybe move the branch from ~motu to ~ubuntumembers or something [09:40] dholbach: Yeah ok. Should we field opinions on where? I'm happy to move it over. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] TheMuso: I think ~ubuntumembers would be the team that is "most open" [09:42] not sure though [09:42] hey dholbach [09:42] hey ajmitch [09:42] hey \sh [09:43] ajmitch: What do you think? Should the motutools stuff be kept accessible for non MOTUs, like ubuntu members? [09:43] it doesn't matter [09:43] you can have a motu branch & an ubuntumembers branch [09:43] I think dholbach is thinking of people easily being able to contribute. [09:44] any ubuntu member could create a group branch [09:44] True. [09:44] TheMuso: somehow I couldn't push to it either [09:44] dholbach: hmm weird. [09:44] so i created my own branch :) === TheMuso wonders whether all the necessary bits are set right, i.e the team registrant etc. [09:45] dholbach: I saw. === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shermann [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] TheMuso: maybe we should make that ubuntu-dev-scripts or something [10:45] TheMuso: I talked to seb128 who would add stuff of his own too [10:45] dholbach: So rename the product? [10:45] it's just an idea - does it make sense to you? [10:45] Yes it does. [10:46] As for where it resides, did he have any suggestions? [10:46] no, he didn't care about that :-) [10:47] Right. [10:47] Can products be renamed? [10:48] yeah [10:48] for example: https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/2722 [10:48] Ok, I'll do it if you want [10:50] just a question which group pushes to it [10:50] yeah [10:52] ubuntu-dev should be fine, no? [10:52] Ok so I have to lodge an answers ticket to remove the product? hmm [10:52] we can still merge in patches from hopefuls [10:52] FOr the product? Yeah I think so. [10:52] TheMuso: or to rename it [10:52] TheMuso: i had them rename a product too [10:52] dholbach: But either way, a ticket needs lodging for that [10:52] Ok then. [10:55] dholbach: Ubuntu-dev or ubuntu-dev-tools? Which one would be better? I prefer the latter, so there is no confusion between the product name and the team name. [10:57] yeah [10:57] ubuntu-dev for the team pushing to it [10:57] bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk [10:57] or whatever you're going to pick :) [10:58] RIghto. [10:59] nice :) [10:59] I think kiko is the one to take care of the renaming [11:00] I thought we were moving away from the ubuntu-dev LP team. [11:00] Ok filed. [11:01] https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/motutools/+ticket/4455 [11:01] i'm in ubuntu-dev, but not in motu :) [11:02] Ah that would explain it. 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[01:08] TheMuso, can you check my packages? [01:09] jwendell: Ok I'll have a look. [01:09] TheMuso, thanks [01:10] StevenK: ping [01:10] hey TheMuso [01:19] jwendell: Regarding ubuntu-restricted-extras, do you know if this is being maintained in a bzr branch, or any other revision control? [01:20] TheMuso, i don't know [01:20] I'll ask mvo. [01:20] TheMuso, i just get the bugs tagged as 'bitesize'... === TheMuso moves onto another while he waits for a response. [01:22] :) [01:25] Lutin: Pong [01:25] TheMuso, but https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+branches shows anything about it... [01:25] (Hrm, 15 minutes RTT) === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@unaffiliated/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] Ciao a tutti [01:26] Hi all. [01:27] TheMuso, s/anything/nothing/ [01:27] jwendell: Yeah, and I just got confirmation that its not in bzr, so I can go ahead and work on that. [01:27] hello! I'm just wondering if the PDF copy of the Packaging guide on https://help.ubuntu.com is up to date? (not sure if the HTML version is more updated or what...) [01:27] TheMuso, ok! [01:29] hm.. bbl :) [01:32] StevenK: just wanted to know what is evil in the update-maintainer script, so I can either fix or nuke it :) [01:37] jwendell: ubuntu-restricted-extras uploaded. Will update bug when I get the acceptance email. [01:37] TheMuso, ok :) [01:37] thanks [01:38] Lutin: Heh. :-) [01:38] Lutin: It just looks ... messy. === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-0cda58ade805cae6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] StevenK: in what way ? [01:38] Lutin: To be honest, it'd be cleaner in ... gasp, Perl. [01:39] StevenK: lol [01:39] StevenK: eek. I can't even read perl :) === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] Lutin: I thought I'd scared you off. :-P === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] StevenK: sorry, don't understand what you mean [01:42] Lutin: You just quit and rejoined. I thought you'd quit because I scared you talking about Perl. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === deep [n=deep@c-922a71d5.017-19-626c671.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] Hey pochu. [01:53] hi TheMuso :) === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [n=tonio@177.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508b1f3c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] slomo_: when you can, please take a look at bug 97182 [02:06] Malone bug 97182 in liferea "[UVFe] liferea 1.2.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97182 === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] pochu: sure [02:14] cool, thanks! [02:15] pochu: oh tollef already approved it [02:15] i'll upload it in a few minutes... thanks for your work :) [02:15] np :) [02:17] did you change something except debian/changelog? === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] pochu: ok looks good :) [02:19] slomo_: nothing appart of that [02:26] <\sh> automouting homes via ldap rocks [02:29] pochu: please close the relevant bugs and get some karma, it's uploaded now :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === waylandbill [n=kvirc@74-34-7-87.dsl1-merch.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host168-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] hi [02:48] any chance of somebody looking over a sync request? bug 93924 [02:48] Malone bug 93924 in rpy "[sync request] rpy package missing files" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93924 === Bubble [i=Bubble@unaffiliated/bubble] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-18.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] jwendell: I am about to head to bed, so will look at the rest of your packages tomorrow. [03:01] texmacs uploaded. [03:01] TheMuso, ok, thanks. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === racarr [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@vpna159.ugent.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] slomo_: ty! === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] StevenK: ah, ok :) === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-1f1b91637afebb01] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === waa [n=waa@220112.static.ctb.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywi1ly is now known as chillywilly [03:56] slomo_: successfully built on all archs and bug closed, thanks for the upload! === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] StevenK: even though it would be better in perl, let me know if you have some tips to make it less messy with bash ;) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] Heya gang [04:21] hi bddebian :) [04:21] Hi Jucato [04:21] deity! [04:21] /close ;-P [04:21] Hi crimsun [04:21] hi === hoora_191 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-739c20fa8e4befeb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 [n=cody-som@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] if any MOTUs have a free minute, could you check/confirm a sync request in bug 93924 for me? [04:50] Malone bug 93924 in rpy "[sync request] rpy package missing files" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93924 [04:50] geser: ping? [04:50] (figured I'd ask again, since there are some more people around now.) [04:51] there are always people `around'. We might just be knee-deep in git/hg/svn/bzr/crap. [04:52] hg? [04:52] crimsun: sorry. feel free to continue wading through svn ;) === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] danohuiginn: that requires an UVFe request. [04:53] err, no. Sorry. [04:53] Misparsed 1.0~rc1-5 as 1.0~rc5 for some unknown reason. [04:53] tonyyarusso: mercurial [04:53] crimsun: OK. how do I go about making that [04:53] crimsun: ah [04:53] duh === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] danohuiginn: BTW, please don't subscribe ubuntu-archive before a ubuntu-dev member ACKs [04:55] crimsun: yeah, I realised that just after subscribing them, and couldn't unsubscribe them [04:56] danohuiginn: the reason is perfectly illustrated in this situation: The sync request protocol has not been met. One needs to properly title the bug and attach the new debian/changelog entries in actual debian/changelog format. [04:58] *nods*. So, change the title to [sync request] package version? [04:58] I've done it already and ACKed it. Please take a look. [05:00] thanks, crimsun. *looks* === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-b45c99e3e93af003] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-197-231.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@177-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@81.185.36.11] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-136-34.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] hi all! [05:40] hi sacater [05:40] hey sacater [05:41] Say, any folks familiar with Orage, the XFCE calendar? [05:41] How hard would it be to make the tray icon display the current date, instead of a generic image of "31" ? === kaiska [n=kaiska@2.140-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] anyone else heard issue with nvidia-glx-9755? [05:47] it seems they stopped support for geforce4 [05:48] gnomefreak: they have [05:48] nvidia currently maintains 3 sets now. 97xx, 96xx, and 71xx [05:48] ok so they should be using legacy :) [05:49] Ubuntu is only maintainin 2 sets right now 97xx and 71xx [05:49] but there are 2 legacy sets now :) [05:49] 9631 is what's in feisty [05:49] isn't it? [05:49] hi Laser_away, just the guy I was looking for earlier :) [05:49] lupine_85: not anymore [05:49] ah, coolio [05:49] that's going to annoy all the GF4 users :D [05:49] Jucato: uh oh :-) === Jucato is one :) [05:50] lupine_85: cant use nvidia-glx-legacy for beryl? [05:50] not without Xgl [05:50] Laser_away: hehe not a big question really. just wondering if there's an updated version of the packaging guide, or if the PDF from help.ubuntu.com is up-to-date :D [05:50] anyway to get the "new" in repos? [05:50] Jucato: doc.ubuntu.com has the latest [05:50] Laser_away: I asked nixternal, but he said it's your baby (although I misread it as "LaserJock baby") [05:51] lol === Laser_away smacks nixternal alongside the head for good measure [05:52] what's good measure about that one? === Neonightmare [n=neonight@9.75.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] oh wow, I just now caught how you read that === Neonightmare [n=neonight@9.75.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:52] since we added beryl to repos we should have support for all the drivers without needing xgl if we can prevent it [05:52] managing three lots of nvidia drivers might be a bit of a pain [05:53] but what will we (gf4) users do? stuck to using nvidia.com's drivers? [05:53] Jucato: or beryls repo new legacy drivers [05:53] Jucato: you can use the -legacy drivers [05:54] but I think you loose 3d accel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] I might as well use nv then :) [05:54] it's ok... I'm quite capable of using nvidia.com :) [05:54] or nouveau :p [05:54] but I'm going to prepare for a flood of questions/complaints in #kubuntu :D [05:54] hopefully soon... :D [05:54] Jucato: i wouldnt advise that till final release feisty maybe [05:54] (nouveau) [05:54] right now I can escape by redirecting them to #ubuntu+1 :D [05:55] Jucato: thanks :( [05:55] although they should be in there anyway [05:55] thats what they get for testing [05:55] gnomefreak: I'd rather they be in #ubuntu+1 rather than cause some panic because of broken upgrades... [05:56] that happened sometime earlier.. [05:56] heh [05:56] they *should* all be in ubuntu+1 for feisty questions === Laser_away runs to #ubuntu screeming "Ubuntu ate my hard drive!!!!" [05:56] lol [05:56] it was like "I got some broken packages in today's updates" and other were "what?! where? when?!" [05:56] s/other/others === Laser_away is really away now [05:58] bbiab [05:58] i will slap something in title about it === Tonio_ [n=tonio@177.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] feisty isn't LTS is it? [06:07] allee: any new about fai? [06:07] sacater: no [06:07] sacater: nope [06:08] according to an interview with Riddell, the next LTS will be 8.04... === blackskad [n=blackska@vpna159.ugent.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:09] siretart: no. My feisty polishing deployment. After that (maybe today) I will try to build a new kernel [06:10] allee: ok. I remember you prepared a merge in launchpad. does it reference the 2.6.17 or 2.6.20 kernels? does it still make sense to wait for fai-kernels 2.6.20? [06:10] Jucato: ok, just wanted to make sure [06:10] siretart: 2.6.17 is used === dpm_ [n=dpm@p54A11A96.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:10] I didn't upload it that time because I thought that I would find some time to look at 2.6.20 kernels. I didn't :( [06:10] siretart: I don't know how many kernel build cycles I need until it builds. So there's a bit of uncertainty [06:11] allee: ic [06:12] siretart: yeah, me too. Until today laptop installation 2.6.17 worked fine but now 2.6.17 recognized /dev/hda and 2.6.20 /dev/sda :( [06:12] allee: given that the release isn't too far away, and we're past beta, what do you think is best for fai in feisty? [06:13] siretart: 2.10 is broken with feisty. So 3.10 even with 2.6.17 kernel is the better choice. [06:13] siretart: AFAIR the special kubuntu kernel was only needed for FAI CDs, right? === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] allee: kubuntu kernel? === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] allee: kubuntu kernel? === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-24-65.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AD3C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] siretart: I never used them. So maybe I can try if the PXE stuff still works if we use the standard kernel [06:15] siretart: sorry, the k is in my fingers === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-13.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] ;) [06:17] allee: the problem is rather to produce a suitable initramfs for PXE booting. this would need to be documented properly [06:26] do you think that murrine 0.5.2 would ne suitable for an UVFe ? (changes at http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/download.php) === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:32] hi there [06:32] heya mr_pouit [06:32] hi pochu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-24-65.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:37] Hey, it's the FNG, load him up with work!! :) === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Skorgu|Work [n=patrick@pool-71-247-105-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] Hi, my previous package did not build on sparc and ia64. The bug is marked as 'fix committed'. I've made another debdiff, which solves this. Did i do the right thing? [06:46] bug 78055 [06:46] Malone bug 78055 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on sun-java5; sun-java6 is now available" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78055 [06:47] dholbach, ping [06:47] jussi01: pong [06:48] dholbach, further to our conversation last night, on bug 93932 do I need to add some thing to the bug report? or will you do that? [06:48] Malone bug 93932 in gnotime "[UNMETDEPS] gnotime has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93932 === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] jussi01: if it's a rebuild that fixes it, you can add a changelog entry and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug report, so they upload it for you [06:49] dholbach, hi [06:49] dholbach, can you answer my question? [06:50] jwendell: looks ok [06:51] dholbach, so, i did the right thing... thanks [06:51] ok [06:51] dholbach, thanks, so what do I need to attach to the bug report? my .deb? also other stuff? Im sorry to bother, but this is the first one I have done. [06:52] jussi01: add a debian/changelog entry using dch [06:52] jussi01: then create a debdiff and attach it there [06:52] dholbach, ah, one more question: should i mark the bug as 'in progress', instead of leave it as 'fix commited'? [06:52] jwendell: both is fine [06:53] jussi01: hum... the normal gnomad2 installs fine for me [06:53] dholbach, gnomad2? [06:53] jussi01: wasn't that the package? [06:54] arg [06:54] gnotime [06:54] gnoTIME [06:54] :D [06:54] hum, that installs fine too === jussi01 wonder why there was a bug? [06:54] strange [06:55] maybe it was broken at that time [06:55] if you check the current version, you will see that it's 2.2.2-8build1 [06:55] so it was rebuilt already [06:55] oh... === Skorgu|Work [n=patrick@pool-71-247-105-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:56] so it should be safe to close the bug now [06:56] jussi01: thanks for working on it [06:56] g'morning everybody [06:56] hi Toadstool [06:56] dholbach, no probs, do you have some suggestions of other simple bugs I can do? [06:56] hey dholbach [06:56] Heya Toadstool [06:57] jussi01: maybe some more of that list? [06:57] hi bddebian [06:57] jussi01: Look at ajmitch's RC bug list mentioned in /topic and file sync requests/UVFes :-) [06:57] dholbach, ok, Im working on them then :D [06:57] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO === dholbach high-fives jussi01 [06:57] :D [06:58] dholbach, will you close that bug? [06:58] you can do that too === jussi01 goes to figure out how... [06:58] jussi01: yay! more karma ;) [06:59] jussi01: click on the yellow bar in the middle [06:59] dholbach, ahh thanks [07:00] gar, dunno if it's because of the proxy here at TI but LP beta is so freakin slow today... [07:00] Toadstool, its nice and fast here [07:00] bug 93932 [07:00] Malone bug 93932 in gnotime "[UNMETDEPS] gnotime has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93932 [07:00] :D === Toadstool hugs jussi01 === jussi01 goes back to squashing bugs... see you soon with the next question...:D === bddebian goes back to his hole === Adri2000 wonders why faad2 is in multiverse while it's in debian/main [07:03] license maybe? [07:04] or oversight [07:04] I see the version is different [07:04] we have an incredible one: 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu3 [07:05] debian has just 2.5-2 [07:05] 2004 xD [07:06] yeah, it seems a bit old [07:06] no change since dapper [07:06] or someone didnt care about it [07:06] slomo_ is the only one in the changelog [07:07] ask slomo then [07:08] slomo_: why is faad2 in multiverse but is in debian/main? if it's just because we have a too old version, do you think we can sync? === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] Adri2000: I think it is because of the "+mp4v2+" [07:15] ok, I think the difference is that we use --with-drm [07:15] --with-mp4v2 is used in debian as well [07:16] --with-drm compile libfaad with DRM support [07:16] do we really need that? :/ [07:20] Adri2000: libmp4v2-0 is in multiverse [07:20] so, unless it moves in universe, faad has to stay in multiverse ^^" === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] mr_pouit: but libmp4v2-dev is faad2 ;) [07:22] and libmp4v2-0 too [07:23] they are binary packages of faad2 [07:23] Adri2000: I think I have to sleep :D [07:23] good night :p === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu === emilio [n=emilio@141.Red-83-32-163.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === emilio [n=emilio@141.Red-83-32-163.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BED328.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mark007 [n=mark@n128-227-103-157.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso_ [n=luke@dsl-124-149-118-161.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 [n=cody-som@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:12] Is there any way to make gdb save a core file representing the current state of a traced application? === Subhuman [n=jack@host81-129-59-174.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando_ [n=fernando@189.0.138.207] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] Adri2000: we have that version because every newer version has an gpl incompatible license [08:25] Adri2000: for example the version in debian [08:25] Adri2000: and it's in multiverse because of patents [08:26] slomo_: the version in debian has a gpl incompatible license? [08:26] yes [08:26] Copyright: [08:26] This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it [08:26] under the terms of the GNU General Public License Version 2, found on [08:26] Debian systems in the file /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL. [08:26] from debian/copyright of the package in debian [08:26] debian/copyright is wrong === lupine_85 [i=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] it is GPL plus one clause that requires every app using the lib to print a text in the about box or somewhere else visible [08:27] slomo_: so should Debian have it? it seems odd that they'd be ok with it and we wouldn't [08:27] i filed a bug about that [08:28] ah [08:28] slomo_: it is also stated in debian/copyright: [08:28] Some files in this source distribution also include the following clause in [08:28] addition to the above license: [08:28] ... [08:28] ah ok, that was fixed then [08:29] "Software using this code must display the following message visibly in or on each copy of the software: [...] " yes, but it's still in debian/main [08:31] slomo_: so do you think we can sync this package in order to have it in universe? === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] hi motu's, I was having a look at bug 96358 and it seems to build fine in pbuilder. could it have been fixed already? [08:41] Malone bug 96358 in sysv-rc-bootsplash "[UNMETDEPS] sysv-rc-bootsplash has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96358 [08:44] jussi01: have you checked the deps of the build deb? [08:45] geser, ahh...stupid me, it depends on bootsplash, which doesnt exist [08:46] geser, any idea how I would find out what replces bootsplash? [08:47] jussi01: apt-cache showpkg bootsplash, probably. [08:47] jussi01: "Reverse provides" or something. [08:48] bootsplash is still in Debian unstable [08:48] the question is why it isn't in Ubuntu [08:48] reverse provides splashy :D [08:48] jussi01: bootsplash is in debian, but not in feisty, it needs a sync request with an FF exception [08:49] Adri2000, ok, so is that something for me to do? [08:49] hmm, but the package is not really young, so I don't know why it hasn't been automatically synced... === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] jussi01: first, find out why it's not already in ubuntu [08:51] anyone knows where is the sync black list? === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.145.169.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] found it, jussi01: see that bootsplash is in http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt [08:56] Adri2000: 2 sec. [08:56] shawarma: ^ :p [08:56] Adri2000: Ok. [08:57] Adri2000, so what does that mean for me? [08:57] jussi01: we don't have bootsplash because we have our own usplash, and sysv-rc-bootsplash is probably not needed either since it seems to be useful only with bootsplash [08:58] Adri2000, so what do I need to do about it? add a coment to the bug? or? === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-109-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sacater waves at pochu [08:59] hey sacater! [09:00] pochu: got me another basic bug :D, no desktop file for the 'bloboats' game [09:00] jussi01: you could ask for a removal from the archive, but first you need to make sure that it's really useless without bootsplash, same with the package bootsplash-theme-debian I think [09:01] sacater: good, I also started with desktop files :) [09:01] pochu: the only real work is making the actual picture, otherwise its pretty straightforward === lupine_85 [i=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] Adri2000, so that reverse provides that shawarma suggested that returned splashy isnt a replacement for bootsplash? === sacater completes turning his pen into a Class5 incindiary device [09:03] sacater, be careful with that ;) [09:04] jussi01: splashy provides and replaces bootsplash, we have splashy so it's ok. I don't know how it works with usplash though [09:04] jussi01: i can tell you how it works if youd like, can be done to almost any pen if you have match ends, lighter fuel, thread, and some time [09:04] Adri2000, Ill have a play with it [09:04] jussi01: splashy "doesn't require patching the Linux kernel.", maybe it's the problem with bootsplash [09:04] sacater, nah, i fine wothout making bombs...thanks... :P [09:05] ahhh...maybe [09:05] jussi01: when i say bomb, i mean it would make a travelling bag start to smoulder, then catch alight [09:06] LD [09:06] :D === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] hee hee heee heeeeee === sacater 's eye twitches [09:09] please dont call the cops..... [09:09] :P [09:13] desktop files go in /usr/bin/applications right? [09:13] sacater: meep [09:14] enyc: meep meep [09:14] ;-) [09:14] enyc: is it right? [09:15] erm not sure [09:16] sacater: /usr/bin is binaries of most things (some are in /bin too) [09:16] okies [09:16] sacater: I dont recognize /usr/bin/applications *and* that does not exist on my edgy system [09:16] whoops [09:16] sorry [09:16] i made a BIG mistkate [09:16] /usr/share/applications [09:16] sacater: ~/Desktop contains files that appear on desktop within a particular user account ;-) === phanatic_ [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] sacater: I can see .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ [09:18] sacater: Im not sure what reads those files... [09:18] sacater: maybe /usr/local/share/applications is looked at too... maybe not [09:19] meh [09:19] ill get it right... [09:21] sacater: /usr/share/applications is the path :) === bojan [n=bojan@vie-213-235-250-019.dsl.sil.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:21] pochu: thanks. thought so === jussi01 is going to bed, night all [09:21] night jussi01! [09:22] jussi01: bye === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.131.47] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:27] pochu: if i add a desktop file to the package, who should the maintainer be, me or the original [09:28] sacater: noone, but the MOTU team [09:28] :| [09:28] sacater: and you should add a XSBC-Original-Maintainer: field [09:28] to the control file [09:28] right === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] i put my name in that field or MOTU [09:29] sorry [09:29] mistake [09:29] forget it [09:30] pochu: Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU [09:30] XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team [09:30] question... for big 78005 -- do I (now that the Universe SRU policy has changed) now need to "prepare a second upload to release-updates:" ?? [09:30] err bug === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:30] im not sure howto exactly.... or a universe sponsor needs to? [09:30] (the requirement (7 days, at least 2 worksforme) has now been satisfied) === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] sacater: the ubuntu motu should have an @ubuntu address [09:33] sacater: Ubuntu MOTU Developers [09:33] welshbyte pochu: ty [09:33] Source: bloboats [09:33] Section: games [09:33] Priority: optional [09:33] Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers [09:33] XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team [09:33] sacater: np: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html [09:34] Uploaders: Gonri Le Bouder [09:34] pochu: that look right? [09:34] sacater: yeah [09:34] cool [09:35] you just have to move the maintainer to the original maintainer, then add an @ubuntu maintainer (motu for motu packages) [09:35] erm [09:35] dont follow [09:36] can you mod it for me [09:36] Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers [09:36] XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team [09:36] Adri2000: no... as it will make everything linking to it currently break the license of it [09:37] :( [09:37] sacater: it's okay like that [09:38] Adri2000: coool === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] Adri2000: does the changelog entry log good.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12609/ [09:42] sacater: you need to put your actual email address in there === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] instead of @neo [09:43] ah yes [09:43] quite so [09:43] i have a matrix network [09:43] trinity morpheus etc [09:43] file server is called zion [09:44] also if it's fixing a bug, you might want to reference it like (LP #12345) [09:44] ah yes === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:44] of course [09:44] can do === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BED328.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:45] sacater: s/unstable/feisty/ [09:45] ok [09:45] oops missed that one :) [09:46] if i get this done it will be my second package amendment/bug [09:46] the first was my tea.desktop file [09:46] and LaserJock uploaded for me :D === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945640.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12611/ [09:48] that top line isn't in the file, right? [09:48] sacater: are you using "dch -i" ? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:49] sacater: You shouldn't update the debian version. (ie. your version should be 1.0.1.dsfg-1ubuntu1) [09:50] welshbyte: no [09:50] pochu: yes [09:50] shawarma: it is i think [09:50] oh with a 1 [09:51] sacater: Precisely. [09:51] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12613/ [09:51] try that [09:52] hmm, sacater: dch -i already does that (at least in feisty hehe) [09:52] I mean: from -1 to -1ubuntu1, and adds feisty instead of unstable [09:52] well it didnt for me [09:53] and im not using feisty until 1 week after its release [09:53] so all the major bugs people find can be destroyed [09:53] hehe [09:53] ... [09:53] sacater: Looks better. I think though that the recommended syntax for the LP bug thing is "(LP: #12345)" (note the colon). [09:54] ok [09:54] can do [09:54] right [09:55] is it okay now that if put the colon in? [09:57] looks ok === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] sacater: btw if you're using edgy to fix feisty packages, you might want to make sure that they're actually feisty packages and test build them using a feisty pbuilder === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@22.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] q. i would like to start a deamon when the user login. i look at tracker package, and it has a /usr/share/autostart/trackerd.desktop. this seems to be the thing i could copy. is there a documentation on this file format ? === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] siretart: no luck (as you predicted) with fai-kernels. I've tried the ubuntu -generic one and one with CONFIG_NFS_FS=y. In both cases the kernel could not handle the root=nfs... kernel parm === gnomonic [n=niels@80.62.135.26] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] pochu: if i made a .desktop file from scratch, but made a legit one, dont i need to add it to a file somewhere, so it knows where to put it and everything [10:14] zorglu_: all i can find is https://launchpad.net/bugs/32475 [10:14] Malone bug 32475 in gnome-session "autostart documentation" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [10:15] welshbyte: ok looking, i found http://l10n.kde.org/docs/admin/autostart-and-runonce.html but it is kde specific [10:15] welshbyte: thanks for looking tho :) [10:15] np [10:15] sacater: yeah, to debian/rules, for example [10:15] sacater: or debian/package.files, depends on the package [10:15] question... for bug number 78005 -- do I (now that the Universe SRU policy has changed) now need to "prepare a second upload to release-updates:" ?? === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] (the requirement (7 days, at least 2 worksforme) has now been satisfied) [10:16] (but I dont know howto do the release-updates) [10:16] or If snomebody in MOTEU somewhere does that [10:16] MOTU [10:18] (ive read the MOTU SRU page on wiki.ubuntu.com -- but im not sure who does the release-updathe preparation!!! [10:18] welshbyte: fyi the spec seems to be http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html [10:18] zorglu_: cool [10:18] im confused === enyc *yamns* [10:18] err... yawns [10:19] grrr [10:19] error! [10:19] meep [10:19] error! 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[10:20] lol ;-) [10:23] what is netsplit [10:23] ive never seen it much before [10:23] didnt want to ask [10:23] sacater: the IRC site 'irc.freenode.net' is actually a collection of different servers. === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.122] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] sacater: a 'netsplit' is when some server(s) become disconnected === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] sacater: in the DNS, irc.freenode.net is an alias (cname) for 'chat.freenode.net' and 'chat.freenode.net' has the addresses 194.24.188.100, 208.71.169.36, 85.188.1.26, 140.211.166.3, 140.211.166.4 [10:25] e [10:25] sacater: i.e. your irc program may try to connect ot any address... [10:26] okay [10:26] thanks [10:26] sacater: when there is a 'split' users who happen to be on different servers but in the same 'shared channel' then get disconnected -- and the "quits:" list shows those [10:27] were there any serious changes in X fonts between dapper and edgy? [10:27] zakame: thanks for the blog post. I was looking for exactly that this week [10:27] hey, can someone take a look at this, i THINK it means there is something wrong with my debian/rules file [10:28] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12630/ [10:28] since I upgraded non gnome X apps can't locate fonts even though they are shown in xlsfonts and xfontsel... === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.131.47] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] slomo_: hi, can i ask you for mentoring? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] sacater: it seems the docbook-to-man command is missing. Did you install the package (and put it in the Build-Depends of your package)? [10:40] yes [10:40] hang on [10:40] one mo.... === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] cp debian/bloboats.xpm debian/bloboats/usr/share/pixmaps [10:45] cp debian/bloboats.desktop debian/bloboats/usr/share/applications/ [10:45] the second one is my desktop file [10:46] whats wrong.... [10:47] does that dir exist? [10:47] how do you mean? [10:48] which one [10:48] there are 2 there [10:48] usr/share/applications [10:48] yes [10:48] it exists [10:48] should do on any edgy system === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] sacater: no, does it exist under debian/bloboats? [10:49] no [10:49] it dosnt [10:49] then make it so [10:49] ok.. [10:50] there'll be a dirs file (or bloboats.dirs) [10:50] ok === bddebian snickers at bloboats [10:51] bddebian: grow up [10:51] ajmitch: in the .dirs, do i add the directort i just made [10:52] I'm growing old but I refuse to grow up [10:52] no, it makes the directory [10:52] by you placing it in there [10:52] bddebian: we know [10:52] ok [10:53] ajmitch: pfft [10:53] ajmitch: so i should leave bloboats.dir alone [10:53] no, that's what I'm saying [10:53] you don't make the directory manually [10:53] No, you should add usr/share/applications to .dirs [10:53] ok [10:53] cna do [10:53] dh_installdirs uses the dirs file [10:53] even though it already exists? [10:53] bddebian: hmm, I'm trying figure out what you are snickering about [10:53] because debian/bloboats will get removed on clean [10:53] maybe I don't want to know [10:53] no [10:53] with .desktop files in [10:54] LaserJock: he finds bloboats funny [10:54] the .desktop files are put there at build time [10:54] each time it gets built [10:54] the directory gets created for every build [10:54] ah [10:54] pl [10:54] ok === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] ajmitch: do i also put my .desktop file in /debian/bloboats/usr/share/applications [10:55] isn't that what you were doing anyway? [10:56] (minus the preceding /) [10:56] yes [10:56] ok [10:56] let me try building [10:56] after a crap === asantoni is now known as asantoni_in_tran === ajmitch didn't need to hear that === ivoks [n=ivoks@36-88.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] Oh and he complains about my snickering.. === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat_ [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni_in_tran is now known as asantoni === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye] === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [n=tonio@177.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@22.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:44] q. i would like to launch webbrowser from a script, how can i determine the prefered browser for the user ? [11:44] is there a script or something ? [11:46] or i could write a crappy one myself :) [11:46] just looking for 'best practice' :) [11:46] I think there scripts/alternatives [11:47] sensible-browser is one [11:48] looking thanks :) === geser [i=mb@leary.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:53] Heya geser [11:53] Hi bddebian === mark007 [n=mark@128.227.131.47] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] sensible-browser is just going to execute x-www-browser [12:01] or $BROWSER [12:02] zorglu_: ^ [12:02] racarr: yep i looked at it, it does a lot of things, it is way better that anything i could write myself :) [12:03] heh you should be fine just running x-www-browser [12:03] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2006-10-08 20:52 /usr/bin/x-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-03-11 16:52 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/konqueror [12:04] or simply use the standard script :) [12:04] i mean they did it, why would i bypass them :) [12:07] Later gang === gismo_ [n=stef@159.236.146.195.dynamic.adsl.abo.nordnet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] Hey MOTUs. === geser [i=mb@2002:5361:2a04:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [i=mb@2002:5361:2a04:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #ubuntu-motu