[12:21] <pochu> crimsun, slomo: bug 97182
[12:21] <ubotu> Malone bug 97182 in liferea "[UVFe]  liferea 1.2.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97182
[12:22] <ajmitch> not much of a 'debdiff'
[12:23] <pochu> I'm actually building it - builds fine with dpkg-buildpackage, let's see in pbuilder
[12:58] <pochu> night :)
[12:58] <AstralJava> Is there a way to auto-generate Makefile.am?
[01:00] <ajmitch> AstralJava: there are some skeletons out there that can help
[01:00] <ajmitch> but generally no
[01:00] <ajmitch> take a look at the autoproject package
[01:00] <ajmitch> or some IDEs can do it
[01:01] <AstralJava> ajmitch: Thanks. This project suddenly dropped a whole lotta files that were mentioned in one. I'm going it thru now with make dist && deleting the ones it stalls on. :)
[01:01] <AstralJava> So I'm guessing I either write a script that takes care of it, or spend a similar amount of time to do it by hand. :)
[03:17] <TheMuso> Hey RAOF 
[03:17] <RAOF> Hey TheMuso 
[03:17] <ajmitch> hi TheMuso, RAOF 
[03:18] <RAOF> Hi ajmitch 
[03:28] <bddebian> Hi TheMuso, RAOF, ajmitch... :-)
[03:29] <ajmitch> uh oh
[03:31] <bddebian> Uh oh?
[03:32] <ajmitch> yes, "uh oh"
[03:32] <RAOF> Extend the greeting chain unto infinity!
[03:33] <RAOF> (Does every ascending chain have an upper bound?)
[03:33] <bddebian> infinity is in here? ;-P
[03:34] <RAOF> Of course.  Infinity is in everywhere.  That'
[03:34] <RAOF> s the point :)
[03:35] <lupine_85> I just encountered infinite pleasure
[03:35] <lupine_85> http://www.lupine.me.uk/img/kawaii-chocolat.png
[03:35] <bddebian> heh
[03:35] <RAOF> Ooooh, dark chocolate rasberries?  I can get behind that :)
[03:36] <lupine_85> It's so ++ it makes my eyes pop out of my head
[03:36] <jmg> i have some blueberry chocolate here
[03:36] <jmg> blueberry dark
[03:36] <lupine_85> 70% cocoa? ;)
[03:36] <jmg> 80% ;)
[03:36] <lupine_85> !!
[03:36] <RAOF> Also, 85% cocoa chocolate is *delicious*
[03:36] <lupine_85> ChocolateOverIP RFC, plzktnxbai
[03:36] <jmg> yeah
[03:37] <jmg> dark is the new white
[03:37] <lupine_85> I was going to get some 86%, but this caught my eye instead
[03:37] <lupine_85> "raspberry heaven", etc
[03:37] <jmg> lupine_85: you're making me want to go and get some dark 
[03:37] <lupine_85> :D
[03:37] <jmg> unfort. the place round here doesnt sell eclipse
[03:38] <lupine_85> excellent.. while all the MOTUs are distracted, I can sneakily upload all sorts of crud ;)
[03:38] <bddebian> sweet
[03:38] <lupine_85> Hobbsee: http://www.lupine.me.uk/img/kawaii-chocolat.png :)
[03:39] <jmg> this is what i  get from around the road: http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=3&cat=8&page=1
[03:39] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: you got MOTU?
[03:39] <jmg> and this is what i get from the place near my house: http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=12&cat=8&page=1
[03:39] <lupine_85> no
[03:39] <jmg> but dude check this
[03:39] <jmg> http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=30&cat=8&page=1
[03:39] <lupine_85> haven't applied or anything, at any rate
[03:39] <jmg> Ingredients: 100% organic cacao mass
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:40] <Hobbsee> mm...chocolate
[03:40] <lupine_85> just discussing chocolate :)
[03:40] <lupine_85> ...100% cocoa...
[03:40] <bddebian> heh
[03:40] <jmg> yeah lupine_85 
[03:40] <lupine_85> drool, etc
[03:40] <jmg> this looks nice too
[03:40] <jmg> http://www.dagobachocolate.com/shop/product.php?productid=4
[03:41] <bddebian> I still say they need to include the damn IRC nicks in the new MOTU announcements
[03:43] <ScottK-laptop> bddebian: I agree (about the IRC nicks).
[03:44] <bddebian> Who's the new person?
[03:44] <bddebian> Oh, mr_pouit?
[03:44] <welshbyte> there was an announcement?
[03:44] <bddebian> welshbyte: Yeah, they finally got smart and kicked me out ;-)
[03:45] <ajmitch> they'd kick me out first
[03:45] <welshbyte> not easy to kick out an omnipresent deity
[03:46] <bddebian> pfft
[03:47] <welshbyte> :)
[03:47] <mr_pouit> bddebian: yes :)
[03:48] <bddebian> mr_pouit: Ah, well Congratulations!
[03:48] <lupine_85> who's omnipresent?
[03:49] <bddebian> LaserJock
[03:49] <mr_pouit> bddebian: thanks ;)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no you're not.
[03:50] <lupine_85> ah, fair enough
[03:50] <welshbyte> lupine_85: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod
[03:51] <welshbyte> .)
[03:51] <lupine_85> Ah, I see
[03:51] <bddebian> hehe
[03:51] <lupine_85> tell me who to smite, oh lord, and they shall be smited!
[03:52] <bddebian> me
[03:52] <lupine_85> <monty python>gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you</monty python>
[03:52] <bddebian> heh
[03:54] <RAOF> Isn't the past tense of "smite" "smote"?
[03:54] <lupine_85> I'm just quoting
[03:54] <lupine_85> (Homer Simpson)
[03:54] <bddebian> "And the number that shall be counted is 3"
[03:55] <lupine_85> although I was torn between smited and smitten; but the latter is obviously wrong
[03:55] <lupine_85> bddebian: that's nae ordinary rarebit!
[03:55] <bddebian> hehe
[04:36] <zakame> hello MOTUs!
[04:37] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:40] <Jucato> moin zakame, bddebian :)
[04:40] <Jucato> oops... why did I respond :P
[04:41] <bddebian> Heh, hi Jucato
[04:49] <mr_pouit> time to sleep :P 'night all
[04:50] <bddebian> Gnight mr_pouit
[04:52] <ajmitch> good, it built this time
[05:14] <TheMuso> _MMA_: Howd it go?
[05:14] <_MMA_> Zeta?
[05:14] <TheMuso> Sorry wrong channel
[05:14] <ajmitch> hm, secret plotting?
[05:14] <TheMuso> ajmitch: No.
[05:15] <ajmitch> TheMuso: they all say that
[05:15] <joejaxx> hello everyone :)
[05:15] <TheMuso> ajmitch: heh
[05:16] <joejaxx> rebooting*
[05:16] <joejaxx> lol
[05:42] <bddebian> Gah, how do I step over a line in gdb without executing it?
[06:08] <initself> Hi!
[06:08] <joejaxx> hello
[06:08] <initself> I'm here to learn about packaging.
[06:08] <TheMuso> initself: Ok.
[06:08] <TheMuso> !packagingguide
[06:08] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[06:08] <TheMuso> initself: ^^
[06:11] <TheMuso> initself: Have you had any experience with Ubuntu packages other than installing/removing?
[06:11] <initself> No.  I'm coming from Slackware.  I've used ubuntu a handful of times but I'm ready to jump in.  I'm so sick of Windows/Mac proprietary audio technologies.
[06:12] <initself> I really want to understand how to make a stable, low latency audio system on Linux.
[06:12] <TheMuso> Ok great.
[06:12] <TheMuso> Well with UbuntuStudio, that is exactly what we are trying to do.
[06:12] <RAOF> UbuntuStudio would love you :)
[06:12] <initself> I program in Perl, but I've never learned what it takes to learn how to modify the codebase for things like Gnome, etc...
[06:12] <initself> ie. Never had a reason to learn C
[06:13] <initself> And if I start, I sure don't want to be using Visual Studio. :)
[06:13] <TheMuso> initself: Ok, the only programming language I am fluent in is shell, and I do a lot of packaging work.
[06:13] <TheMuso> You don't need to be able to program to be a packager.
[06:13] <initself> perl =~ shell
[06:13] <initself> I see.
[06:14] <TheMuso> bddebian: Some? COme on dude. You do heaps.
[06:14] <TheMuso> initself: So I suggest reading the packaging guide I pointed out above as a start, and we are here to answer any questions you may have.
[06:14] <TheMuso> You also might want to have a look through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU. There is information about the MOTU (Masters of the Universe), what we do, who we are etc.
[06:14] <bddebian> As long as it doesn't involve Perl ;-P
[06:14] <initself> pbuilder, baby
[06:15] <TheMuso> initself: In fact, I used to maintain an audio repository for Slackware.
[06:15] <initself> Excellent. I always thought there was a lot of positive work done for audio on Slack.
[06:16] <initself> Does it make sense for Ubuntu to lean towards compatibility with particular hardware and optimizing things for it?>
[06:16] <TheMuso> I changed however, due to my frustration at the lack of quality when it comes to putting together good packages, and other third party package repositories.
[06:16] <initself> it. vendors who support linux and who are willing to work with "us" (ie. RME) ?
[06:17] <TheMuso> One of Ubuntu's goals is to support as much hardware as possible, even if it means one has to use some proprietary code to do so.
[06:17] <TheMuso> Well there are RME sound card drivers, as well as for M-Audio, and other good quality brands.
[06:17] <TheMuso> However, the firewire scene is not as good so far, due to each manufacturer using their own firewire stack and driver model.
[06:17] <initself> True.
[06:17] <initself> RME being one of those.
[06:18] <TheMuso> I don't know.
[06:18] <initself> Pretty sure.
[06:18] <TheMuso> You would have to ask on the Linux-Audio-User mailing list, or in #lad about the card you intend to use.
[06:18] <initself> for example...
[06:18] <initself> audacity - Soundfile editor and multitracker. Packaged version had no JACK support.
[06:19] <initself> What does the software supporting JACK have to do with packaging?
[06:19] <TheMuso> Are you referring to audacity in 6.10?
[06:19] <initself> not sure, I am at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Audio
[06:19] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[06:19] <TheMuso> In terms of packaging, it means that eventually, we would like to be able to use the Jack audio connection kit with audacity.
[06:20] <initself> Now where would I turn to start understanding what the hell you mean?
[06:20] <bddebian> LaserJock: !
[06:20] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:20] <LaserJock> I'm not *alway* omnipresent ;-)
[06:20] <TheMuso> initself: Ok, what are you confused about?
[06:21] <LaserJock> *always
[06:21] <bddebian> LaserJock: Heh
[06:21] <initself> Whether Audacity supports JACK is up to Audacity, right?
[06:21] <LaserJock> I am omnicient though, so you can't get away from me
[06:21] <bddebian> hehe
[06:21] <TheMuso> initself: Yes, but it is also up to distributions that package it as to whether they want to build audacity with jack support.
[06:22] <bddebian> initself: It can be enabled or disabled depending on how you configure it so the package in the repo might have been built with jack disabled
[06:22] <TheMuso> So while audacity may support jack, a package in a distro may not.
[06:22] <initself> i keep getting this from The Google: ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.
[06:22] <TheMuso> Our next Ubuntu release, 7.04, otherwise known as feisty, has an audacity with jack.
[06:22] <initself> wtf!
[06:30] <initself> good lord, how does something like Audacity get built?
[06:31] <initself> i'm look at the source code and i have no idea where to begin.
[06:31] <TheMuso> initself: Please read the packaging guide. It has a simple example to get you started.
[06:40] <jmg> DO YOU FOLKS LIKE COFFEE
[06:41] <lupine_85> loli haet coffee
[06:41] <lupine_85> and so do I :p
[06:41] <ajmitch> jmg: IT'S ALRIGHT
[06:43] <ajmitch> TheMuso: ps, you forgot caps
[06:43] <TheMuso> screw caps.
[06:43] <LaserJock> ajmitch: coffee is the devil's drink ;-)
[06:43] <ajmitch> haha
[06:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: lies
[06:44] <welshbyte> i'm a nicer person now that i don't drink coffee... tired, but nicer
[06:44] <lupine_85> maybe it's bedtime, I dunno
[06:44] <LaserJock> welshbyte: really?
[06:45] <LaserJock> I need to like coffee
[06:45] <LaserJock> the soda's killing my teeth
[06:45] <welshbyte> yeah, caffeine made me grumpy
[06:45] <lupine_85> tea > *
[06:45] <welshbyte> i drink water, milk, tea these days
[06:45] <LaserJock> I don't know that American's are allowed to drink tea
[06:45] <lupine_85> They are
[06:45] <LaserJock> or if they are, it' has to be horrid
[06:46] <lupine_85> they just have to admit Britain is superior beforehand ;)
[06:46] <welshbyte> :)
[06:46] <LaserJock> lupine_85: ahhh
[06:46] <lupine_85> nah, cup of earl grey, or a nice herbal (cherry + cinnamon is my current favourite) goes down well, regardless of nationality
[06:47] <LaserJock> I have a british postdoc I work with
[06:47] <LaserJock> he says he has a hard time finding *real* tea here
[06:47] <lupine_85> it's probably true, but a /real/ tea freak can always make his/her own
[06:48] <lupine_85> anyway, definitely bed
[06:48] <lupine_85> maybe more beryl bugs when I wake up
[06:48] <welshbyte> g'night lupine_85 
[06:49] <Fujitsu> Tea or water for me. Nothing else.
[06:49] <RAOF> night lupine_85 
[06:49] <Fujitsu> Night lupine_85.
[06:49] <TheMuso> Hey Fujitsu.
[06:49] <Fujitsu> Hi TheMuso.
[06:51] <bddebian2> Gnight folks
[06:51] <Fujitsu> Night bddebian2.
[06:51] <welshbyte> g'night bddebian2 
[06:51] <LaserJock> cya ...
[06:51] <Fujitsu> I've only done two bug-triaging things in the past almost 48 hours :(
[06:53] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: you done with high school yet?
[06:53] <LaserJock> I can never remember where everybody is
[06:53] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Just 7 or 8 months to go.
[06:54] <LaserJock> got a uni picked out to go to?
[06:54] <ajmitch> pick otago uni
[06:54] <Fujitsu> Not yet... I might defer a year, as I'm not even 16 yet.
[06:54] <LaserJock> ah, it might be nice
[06:55] <LaserJock> I started at 16
[06:55] <LaserJock> kinda missed some things
[06:55] <LaserJock> there's really not much of a rush
[06:55] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That sounds sooo practical.
[07:02] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it is
[07:03] <Fujitsu> I'll commute daily.
[07:03] <ajmitch> just move
[07:03] <Fujitsu> And terrorise you when I haven't got classes!
[07:09] <welshbyte> umm, silly question, but in what circumstances are we meant to assign bugs to people/ourselves?
[07:09] <Fujitsu> If you or they are going to fix them, in most cases.
[07:10] <Fujitsu> Some people assign all MOTU-related bugs to motu, which seems to me to simply be a way of artificially reducing unassigned bug totals.
[07:12] <ajmitch> it seems common to assign to yourself when setting a bug as 'needs info
[07:12] <ajmitch> but I have no idea why
[07:12] <Fujitsu> Not exactly common, but it's still done for some reason.
[07:12] <ajmitch> (it's a documented procedure)
[07:12] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Is it? I didn't know our world was so silly.
[07:12] <ajmitch> it is
[07:13] <ajmitch> apparantly agreed on at a distro sprint, too
[07:13] <LaserJock> I haven't seen that one
[07:13] <welshbyte> odd, i usually just subscribe myself to bugs i ask for info on
[07:13] <Fujitsu> welshbyte: That's what most people do.
[07:13] <LaserJock> I don't even do that
[07:13] <welshbyte> tsk :)
[07:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[07:14] <Fujitsu> I think that you should be able to look at a bug, notice there's something in the assignee field, and know to move on 'cause it's being fixed.
[07:14] <ajmitch> the 'Complete Reports' section
[07:14] <Fujitsu> (assigning to motu removes that ability)
[07:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: madness
[07:15] <ajmitch> insanity!
[07:15] <LaserJock> I think bug work is just all around insane
[07:16] <LaserJock> I'm not very fond of it
[07:16] <LaserJock> I gotta get better though
[07:16] <Fujitsu> I hope people come up with some ideas for DrinkingFromTheFirehose this UDS... We need them.
[07:16] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i wish i had that url before :P
[07:17] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: stop letting users file bugs?
[07:17] <Admiral_Chicago> might need to...jking.
[07:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Disabling apport post-release would help with that.
[07:17] <LaserJock> it's much easier to drink from a firehose if you turn the water off ;-)
[07:18] <LaserJock> course it can leave you a bit thirsty too
[07:18] <ajmitch> make ubuntu bugfree?
[07:18] <Fujitsu> Heheh/
[07:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i wish i could be at UDS...school...you know. one day i'll drop out and develop full time
[07:18] <superm1> Fujitsu, DrinkingFromTheFireHose?
[07:18] <Admiral_Chicago> superm1: working with all the bugs we get
[07:18] <ajmitch> Admiral_Chicago: sure, so will I ;)
[07:18] <Fujitsu> superm1: The `crap, we're drowning in bugs' spec.
[07:18] <Admiral_Chicago> see you then
[07:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: features ajmitch, they're called features
[07:18] <superm1> ah
[07:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and people want more of them
[07:19] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't want more...oh more features, not bug reports...
[07:19] <ajmitch> or preferably get paid to do so
[07:20] <welshbyte> maybe we should set up a feature tracker so that users can report them
[07:20] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Wouldn't we all?
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> don't cash that until Thursday
[07:20] <ajmitch> Admiral_Chicago: I'd prefer one that didn't bounce, thanks
[07:20] <TheMuso> heh
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> ...okay new plan
[07:21] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: blank checks that don't bounce. please and thank you :)
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: speaking of which, just left kubuntu...too much going on.
[07:21] <Jucato> weakling :P
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> hey i have papers to write, doesn't mean they are being done, but they have to be done.
[07:22] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: you in college?
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: roger. doing comp sci and physics
[07:22] <Jucato> for a 2nd degree...
[07:23] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: nifty
[07:23] <LaserJock> I should go back too
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> so if I were to try to tackle bug #96586 how would I do that
[07:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 96586 in inkscape "Update Inkscape to 0.45.1 for the Feisty release" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96586
[07:23] <LaserJock> but I think I better finish up this degree before I start on another one
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> it probably won't make it there, but for practice
[07:24] <Jucato> hm.. speaking of which... I'm trying to learn how to package too (that's why I'm here, btw) :D
[07:25] <Admiral_Chicago> *silence*
[07:25] <LaserJock> calm before the storm? :-)
[07:25] <LaserJock> !packagingguide
[07:25] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[07:26] <Jucato> heh yeah I'm browsing through the guide... but last time I went over it, kinda has a few holes... I mean from a newbie's perspective...
[07:26] <Jucato> which Hobbsee suggested that I take note of, so that I could contribute in the future :)
[07:27] <welshbyte> you get the hang of it after playing with a few packages :)
[07:27] <Jucato> it's the "before playing" part that I find scary... but I got through 1/3 of the guide and packaged hello :D
[07:29] <welshbyte> look up the unmetdeps, ftbfs and packaging tagged bugs on launchpad and try to make debdiffs that fix them is a good way to learn... i found trying to create a new package from scratch was hard until i got some experience from trying to bugfix
[07:29] <Jucato> LaserJock: they're actually quite good. and they document a lot. but a lot can be overwhelming... at least I was, first time I tried :)
[07:30] <Jucato> ftbs = failed to build from source?
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: yup
[07:30] <Jucato> ah.. I think I'm going to encounter a lot of ftbfs and pebkac's :D
[07:30] <welshbyte> yeah, get used to the acronym's too, they get a bit confusing until you figure them all out ;)
[07:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: thought you were studying :)
[07:30] <welshbyte> s/'//
[07:31] <Admiral_Chicago> no, i told you I *had* to, not that I actually was
[07:31] <Jucato> hope I don't get hit by a RTFM or RTFW (W = wiki) :D
[07:31] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: ah. I usually equate "had to" and "left #kubuntu" with "actually doing" :D
[07:31] <joejaxx> LaserJock: what should i do affect i create a patch for a bug?
[07:32] <LaserJock> welshbyte: ah come one. you're telling me that filing UVFes or SRUs for FTBFS is hard to figure out? ;-)
[07:32] <welshbyte> you get told to RTFM everywhere really, the good thing about the ubuntu crowd is that they leave the F out ;)
[07:32] <joejaxx> lol
[07:32] <Jucato> welshbyte: or just use ubotu :D
[07:32] <joejaxx> read the fine manual
[07:32] <joejaxx> :)
[07:32] <LaserJock> joejaxx: what?
[07:33] <Jucato> is Ubuntu Mentors still functioning? and raphink still the (and only?) mentor for Kubuntu/KDE stuff?
[07:33] <welshbyte> LaserJock: YIA ;)
[07:33] <Jucato> ok YIA I don't know :)
[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago> i was wondering about that as well
[07:33] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i was wonder what i should do with a patch i made for a bug lol
[07:34] <LaserJock> Jucato: mentors is still kinda functioning, and it really shouldn't matter much what area they are from
[07:34] <Jucato> I nominate nixternal as a co-mentor :)
[07:34] <LaserJock> joejaxx: attach it :-)
[07:34] <welshbyte> "Yes I Am" - i was just making a point :)
[07:34] <Jucato> LaserJock: ah kool :)
[07:34] <Admiral_Chicago> second
[07:34] <jmg> JFGI :)
[07:34] <Jucato> welshbyte: lol! that was too easy... why didn't I think of it :D
[07:34] <LaserJock> Jucato: MOTU Mentor was initially set up to get people introduced to MOTU and some of the social/communication stuff
[07:34] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ah ok
[07:35] <jmg> aaaaa ;)
[07:35] <LaserJock> not necessarily to teach people everything about packaging
[07:35] <Jucato> LaserJock: yep. and it's not meant to...
[07:35] <Jucato> bah you said it before I finished typing :D
[07:35] <LaserJock> don't do that
[07:35] <LaserJock> at least wrap them with some python ;-)
[07:35] <Jucato> rofl
[07:36] <Admiral_Chicago> okay I'm going to try to build this package tonight, maybe upload it to an online source
[07:36] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ok then what :P
[07:36] <Jucato> which I'll probably port to some Qt once I get through this C++ thing that I *should be* studying right now... :(
[07:36] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: can I ping you and you can see if I did it right?
[07:36] <Jucato> debdiffs... @_@
[07:37] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, those are nice, i was at a restaurant and I saw richard making one...it was cool
[07:37] <LaserJock> what? a debdiff?
[07:37] <Jucato> which one was kool? debdiff or nixternal making one? :D
[07:38] <LaserJock> I was imagining him making a taco or something
[07:38] <Fujitsu> Bah, you people which have other Ubuntuers near you.
[07:38] <Admiral_Chicago> debdiff, no richard is lame... :).
[07:38] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i uploaded a patch for bug 53001
[07:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 53001 in wordpress "examples-mysql not adapted to ubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53001
[07:38] <joejaxx> :)
[07:38] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I still can't get that pic of nixternal from your website out of my head...
[07:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: my website...which picture is that?
[07:39] <Jucato> er. Chicago LoCo's flicker site
[07:39] <Jucato> I showed it to him, he was in the middle of talking... scary face :D
[07:39] <Admiral_Chicago> oh hahaha, yea those pictures are awesome.
[07:39] <Jucato> you were not in any of them :P
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> they gave a dude an Ubuntu CD and he said "i'll listen to this in my car on the way home"
[07:40] <LaserJock> joejaxx: looks good
[07:40] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i was at school...
[07:40] <Jucato> lol (1st sentence) aw... (re: at school)
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, gotta make sure I don't drop out, seriously going to work
[07:41] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: what a cool idea
[07:41] <LaserJock> we need an Ubuntu Audio CD
[07:41] <joejaxx> :)
[07:41] <Jucato> who'll be on it? jono? :D
[07:41] <LaserJock> with Mark and Jono, et. al 
[07:41] <joejaxx> yeah that would be nice
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> well it would be cool to have a short thing on there <<What is Ubuntu? Virus free OS>>
[07:42] <Admiral_Chicago> but, it was funny because he took the picture, then thought the loco was pushing for...music(?)
[07:42] <joejaxx> LaserJock: what is the next step in the process
[07:42] <joejaxx> Admiral_Chicago: lol
[07:43] <joejaxx> :P
[07:44] <welshbyte> joejaxx: i believe it's procedure to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug when you attach a patch
[07:44] <joejaxx> oh  ok
[07:45] <LaserJock> heh, it won't matter too much in a sec
[07:45] <welshbyte> well, just for future reference ;)
[07:45] <joejaxx> oh ok :)
[07:45] <joejaxx> welshbyte: thanks :)
[07:47] <LaserJock> ok, uploaded
[07:49] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:50] <joejaxx> LaserJock: thanks :)
[07:51] <welshbyte> bug 67263 *whistles innocently*
[07:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 67263 in kile "[UNMETDEPS]  Dependency on AMD64 needs to be updated" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67263
[07:52] <crimsun> nixternal: I'm traveling. What do you need?
[07:58] <ajmitch> mmm, classic MOTU food
[07:59] <LaserJock> hmm?
[07:59] <crimsun> welshbyte: uploaded.
[07:59] <LaserJock> crimsun: bah, I almost had it
[07:59] <ajmitch> LaserJock: pizza
[07:59] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:59] <Jucato> yum...
[07:59] <welshbyte> crimsun: thanks :)
[07:59] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I thought we ate kryptonite
[07:59] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Don't make me hungry.
[07:59] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh ?
[07:59] <LaserJock> no wonder I've been feeling odd lately
[08:00] <LaserJock> me neither
[08:01] <LaserJock> I just pretend sometimes
[08:01] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:01] <ajmitch> oh you are
[08:01] <ajmitch> as are crimsun, bddebian, TheMuso et al
[08:01] <crimsun> hah, ajmitch is now a superstar thanks to Cory's blog
[08:01] <LaserJock> heck yeah
[08:02] <LaserJock> real rock star material there
[08:02] <crimsun> plus or minus a vowel.
[08:02] <ajmitch> no, those were a couple of little screenshots :P
[08:02] <ajmitch> nothing compared to what other people do
[08:02] <ajmitch> everyone's so positive here
[08:02] <TheMuso> I am proud to work on this stuff, but no hero.,
[08:02] <joejaxx> woohoo fixing bugs ftw
[08:04] <TheMuso> Heroes are core-dev.
[08:04] <TheMuso> WHich mean ajmitch, crimsun, StevenK, and more that I don't know of from MOTU. :)
[08:04] <joejaxx> Seveas: :) welcome back
[08:05] <ajmitch> Seveas!
[08:05] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I only tend to touch about 1 package in main
[08:05] <Seveas> morning
[08:05] <Seveas> crappy provider broke his dhcp servers
[08:05] <TheMuso> ajmitch: pfft
[08:06] <ajmitch> TheMuso: seriously, I mainly just touch f-spot
[08:06] <TheMuso> Righto.
[08:06] <TheMuso> But you're still a hero.
[08:22] <joejaxx> LaserJock: what does this mean? 
[08:22] <joejaxx> dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[08:22] <joejaxx> dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field
[08:24] <welshbyte> joejaxx: if it's the first change of a debian package the Maintainer: field needs to be changed to 'Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>' and the original maintainer moved to XSBC-Original-Maintainer:
[08:24] <joejaxx> ok
[08:24] <welshbyte> that's if it's a universe package, of course
[08:24] <joejaxx> thanks
[08:24] <joejaxx> i will do that now
[08:26] <joejaxx> good that got rid of those warning messages
[08:27] <welshbyte> joejaxx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField if you want some background reading on that
[08:28] <joejaxx> ok
[08:35] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org/bug96339.patch
[08:35] <joejaxx> does this look good to anyone?
[08:37] <Fujitsu> No.
[08:37] <RAOF> joejaxx: You mean to have the reverted stuff at the end?
[08:37] <Fujitsu> More exactly: Does it work, and what's that stuff doing at the end?
[08:38] <joejaxx> hmm
[08:38] <joejaxx> i wonder why it did that
[08:38] <joejaxx> i only touched control and changelog
[08:38] <joejaxx> hold on
[08:45] <ajmitch> oh dear, he's touching phpgroupware
[08:45] <joejaxx> lol
[08:45] <ajmitch> joejaxx: I was going to upload that one anyway (for obvious reasons)
[08:45] <joejaxx> oh ok
[08:46] <ajmitch> since I'm the debian maintainer :)
[08:46] <joejaxx> ajmitch: yeah :)
[08:46] <joejaxx> ajmitch: nice
[08:46] <ajmitch> and the change you introduced is wrong
[08:46] <ajmitch> since the main package still depends on php5 | php5
[08:46] <ajmitch> bah
[08:46] <ajmitch> since the main package still depends on php5 | php4
[08:47] <ajmitch> not everything always works nicely with php 5
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> would a .desktop file be in /debian/ in a package source tree, or do they come from upstream as well?
[08:48] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser: They're meant to come from upstream, but don't always.
[08:48] <joejaxx> ajmitch: oh ok
[08:48] <joejaxx> hmm
[08:48] <joejaxx> what are you supposed to do then?
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu, thanks, i suppose that means i'll have to search the whole package, not just /debian/
[08:49] <ajmitch> joejaxx: fix everything ;)
[08:49] <joejaxx> ajmitch: like with bug 96357
[08:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 96357 in opendb "[UNMETDEPS]  opendb has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96357
[08:49] <joejaxx> ajmitch: yeah but they depend on php4
[08:49] <ajmitch> asking me about $RANDOM_PACKAGE isn't helping much
[08:50] <ajmitch> then you probably want to fix it to use php5
[08:51] <\sh> moins
[08:51] <ajmitch> hey \sh 
[08:51] <ajmitch> joejaxx: sometimes code just isn't compatible with php5 yet
[08:51] <ajmitch> I know code I've inherited at work isn't
[08:51] <joejaxx> oh ok
[08:51] <joejaxx> grrr
[08:52] <joejaxx> most of those are php4/5 issues
[08:52] <ajmitch> may as well change the dependencies anyway, and deal with breakage later
[08:52] <ajmitch> sure 
[08:53] <ajmitch> opendb appears to support php 5
[08:54] <ajmitch> (with some php config tweaks)
[08:54] <joejaxx> hmm
[09:11] <\sh> ajmitch: you mean with "php config tweaks" to set php5 into php4 compatiblity mode?
[09:11] <ajmitch> in this case it was things like register_long_arrays, etc
[09:13] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato, ajmitch, \sh :)
[09:13] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!! :)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> :D
[09:14] <ajmitch> heh
[09:15] <crimsun> those poor UDS attendees will be shocked by the new hair cut ;-)
[09:15] <ajmitch> afraid she'll beat you up?
[09:15] <crimsun> (well, at least the ones that read planet.uc)
[09:15] <ajmitch> crimsun: hard to say, depends on how shockingly short it is
[09:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hrm?
[09:15] <ajmitch> besides, Hobbsee hardly posts on planet
[09:15] <Hobbsee> true
[09:16] <Jucato> she only posted 2 iirc
[09:16] <Q-FUNK> heh
[09:18] <Q-FUNK> LOL
[09:21] <pef> helo
[09:36] <dholbach> hellas
[09:36] <RAOF> Hella awesome!
[09:37] <TheMuso> Hey dholbach.
[09:38] <dholbach> hey TheMuso
[09:38] <\sh> moins dholbach
[09:39] <dholbach> TheMuso: we should maybe move the branch from ~motu to ~ubuntumembers or something
[09:40] <TheMuso> dholbach: Yeah ok. Should we field opinions on where? I'm happy to move it over.
[09:42] <dholbach> TheMuso: I think ~ubuntumembers would be the team that is "most open"
[09:42] <dholbach> not sure though
[09:42] <ajmitch> hey dholbach 
[09:42] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:42] <dholbach> hey \sh
[09:43] <TheMuso> ajmitch: What do you think? Should the motutools stuff be kept accessible for non MOTUs, like ubuntu members?
[09:43] <ajmitch> it doesn't matter 
[09:43] <ajmitch> you can have a motu branch & an ubuntumembers branch
[09:43] <TheMuso> I think dholbach is thinking of people easily being able to contribute.
[09:44] <ajmitch> any ubuntu member could create a group branch
[09:44] <TheMuso> True.
[09:44] <dholbach> TheMuso: somehow I couldn't push to it either
[09:44] <TheMuso> dholbach: hmm weird.
[09:44] <dholbach> so i created my own branch :)
[09:45] <TheMuso> dholbach: I saw.
[10:45] <dholbach> TheMuso: maybe we should make that ubuntu-dev-scripts or something
[10:45] <dholbach> TheMuso: I talked to seb128 who would add stuff of his own too
[10:45] <TheMuso> dholbach: So rename the product?
[10:45] <dholbach> it's just an idea - does it make sense to you?
[10:45] <TheMuso> Yes it does.
[10:46] <TheMuso> As for where it resides, did he have any suggestions?
[10:46] <dholbach> no, he didn't care about that :-)
[10:47] <TheMuso> Right.
[10:47] <TheMuso> Can products be renamed?
[10:48] <dholbach> yeah
[10:48] <dholbach> for example: https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/2722
[10:48] <TheMuso> Ok, I'll do it if you want
[10:50] <dholbach> just a question which group pushes to it
[10:50] <TheMuso> yeah
[10:52] <dholbach> ubuntu-dev should be fine, no?
[10:52] <TheMuso> Ok so I have to lodge an answers ticket to remove the product? hmm
[10:52] <dholbach> we can still merge in patches from hopefuls
[10:52] <TheMuso> FOr the product? Yeah I think so.
[10:52] <dholbach> TheMuso: or to rename it
[10:52] <dholbach> TheMuso: i had them rename a product too
[10:52] <TheMuso> dholbach: But either way, a ticket needs lodging for that
[10:52] <TheMuso> Ok then.
[10:55] <TheMuso> dholbach: Ubuntu-dev or ubuntu-dev-tools? Which one would be better? I prefer the latter, so there is no confusion between the product name and the team name.
[10:57] <dholbach> yeah
[10:57] <dholbach> ubuntu-dev for the team pushing to it
[10:57] <dholbach> bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk
[10:57] <dholbach> or whatever you're going to pick :)
[10:58] <TheMuso> RIghto.
[10:59] <dholbach> nice :)
[10:59] <dholbach> I think kiko is the one to take care of the renaming
[11:00] <TheMuso> I thought we were moving away from the ubuntu-dev LP team.
[11:00] <TheMuso> Ok filed.
[11:01] <TheMuso> https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/motutools/+ticket/4455
[11:01] <dholbach> i'm in ubuntu-dev, but not in motu :)
[11:02] <TheMuso> Ah that would explain it.
[11:02] <TheMuso> Gotcha.
[11:36] <mr_pouit> hi there
[11:36] <ajmitch> hi mr_pouit 
[11:36] <mr_pouit> :D
[12:25] <stgraber> morning
[01:06] <Lutin> hey there
[01:07] <mr_pouit> hi Lutin 
[01:07] <TheMuso> Hey Lutin.
[01:08] <jwendell> TheMuso, can you check my packages?
[01:09] <TheMuso> jwendell: Ok I'll have a look.
[01:09] <jwendell> TheMuso, thanks
[01:10] <Lutin> StevenK: ping
[01:10] <Lutin> hey TheMuso 
[01:19] <TheMuso> jwendell: Regarding ubuntu-restricted-extras, do you know if this is being maintained in a bzr branch, or any other revision control?
[01:20] <jwendell> TheMuso, i don't know
[01:20] <TheMuso> I'll ask mvo.
[01:20] <jwendell> TheMuso, i just get the bugs tagged as 'bitesize'...
[01:22] <jwendell> :)
[01:25] <StevenK> Lutin: Pong
[01:25] <jwendell> TheMuso, but https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+branches shows anything about it...
[01:25] <StevenK> (Hrm, 15 minutes RTT)
[01:26] <DarkSun88> Ciao a tutti
[01:26] <DarkSun88> Hi all.
[01:27] <jwendell> TheMuso, s/anything/nothing/
[01:27] <TheMuso> jwendell: Yeah, and I just got confirmation that its not in bzr, so I can go ahead and work on that.
[01:27] <Jucato> hello! I'm just wondering if the PDF copy of the Packaging guide on https://help.ubuntu.com is up to date? (not sure if the HTML version is more updated or what...)
[01:27] <jwendell> TheMuso, ok!
[01:29] <Jucato> hm.. bbl :)
[01:32] <Lutin> StevenK: just wanted to know what is evil in the update-maintainer script, so I can either fix or nuke it :)
[01:37] <TheMuso> jwendell: ubuntu-restricted-extras uploaded. Will update bug when I get the acceptance email.
[01:37] <jwendell> TheMuso, ok :)
[01:37] <jwendell> thanks
[01:38] <StevenK> Lutin: Heh. :-)
[01:38] <StevenK> Lutin: It just looks ... messy.
[01:38] <Lutin> StevenK: in what way ?
[01:38] <StevenK> Lutin: To be honest, it'd be cleaner in ... gasp, Perl.
[01:39] <TheMuso> StevenK: lol
[01:39] <Lutin> StevenK: eek. I can't even read perl :)
[01:41] <StevenK> Lutin: I thought I'd scared you off. :-P
[01:41] <Lutin> StevenK: sorry, don't understand what you mean
[01:42] <StevenK> Lutin: You just quit and rejoined. I thought you'd quit because I scared you talking about Perl.
[01:53] <TheMuso> Hey pochu.
[01:53] <pochu> hi TheMuso :)
[02:06] <pochu> slomo_: when you can, please take a look at bug 97182
[02:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 97182 in liferea "[UVFe]  liferea 1.2.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97182
[02:14] <slomo_> pochu: sure
[02:14] <pochu> cool, thanks!
[02:15] <slomo_> pochu: oh tollef already approved it
[02:15] <slomo_> i'll upload it in a few minutes... thanks for your work :)
[02:15] <pochu> np :)
[02:17] <slomo_> did you change something except debian/changelog?
[02:18] <slomo_> pochu: ok looks good :)
[02:19] <pochu> slomo_: nothing appart of that
[02:26] <\sh> automouting homes via ldap rocks
[02:29] <slomo_> pochu: please close the relevant bugs and get some karma, it's uploaded now :)
[02:43] <jekil> hi
[02:48] <danohuiginn> any chance of somebody looking over a sync request? bug 93924
[02:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 93924 in rpy "[sync request]  rpy package missing files" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93924
[03:01] <TheMuso> jwendell: I am about to head to bed, so will look at the rest of your packages tomorrow.
[03:01] <TheMuso> texmacs uploaded.
[03:01] <jwendell> TheMuso, ok, thanks.
[03:17] <pochu> slomo_: ty!
[03:40] <Lutin> StevenK: ah, ok :)
[03:56] <pochu> slomo_: successfully built on all archs and bug closed, thanks for the upload!
[04:00] <Lutin> StevenK: even though it would be better in perl, let me know if you have some tips to make it less messy with bash ;)
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:21] <Jucato> hi bddebian :)
[04:21] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:21] <crimsun> deity!
[04:21] <bddebian>  /close ;-P
[04:21] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[04:21] <crimsun> hi
[04:50] <danohuiginn> if any MOTUs have a free minute, could you check/confirm a sync request in bug 93924 for me?
[04:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 93924 in rpy "[sync request]  rpy package missing files" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93924
[04:50] <Hobbsee> geser: ping?
[04:50] <danohuiginn> (figured I'd ask again, since there are some more people around now.)
[04:51] <crimsun> there are always people `around'. We might just be knee-deep in git/hg/svn/bzr/crap.
[04:52] <tonyyarusso>  hg?
[04:52] <danohuiginn> crimsun: sorry. feel free to continue wading through svn ;)
[04:52] <crimsun> danohuiginn: that requires an UVFe request.
[04:53] <crimsun> err, no. Sorry.
[04:53] <crimsun> Misparsed 1.0~rc1-5 as 1.0~rc5 for some unknown reason.
[04:53] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: mercurial
[04:53] <danohuiginn> crimsun: OK. how do I go about making that
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: ah
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> duh
[04:55] <crimsun> danohuiginn: BTW, please don't subscribe ubuntu-archive before a ubuntu-dev member ACKs
[04:55] <danohuiginn> crimsun: yeah, I realised that just after subscribing them, and couldn't unsubscribe them
[04:56] <crimsun> danohuiginn: the reason is perfectly illustrated in this situation: The sync request protocol has not been met. One needs to properly title the bug and attach the new debian/changelog entries in actual debian/changelog format.
[04:58] <danohuiginn> *nods*. So, change the title to [sync request]  package version?
[04:58] <crimsun> I've done it already and ACKed it. Please take a look.
[05:00] <danohuiginn> thanks, crimsun. *looks*
[05:38] <sacater> hi all!
[05:40] <Lutin> hi sacater 
[05:40] <pochu> hey sacater
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> Say, any folks familiar with Orage, the XFCE calendar?
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> How hard would it be to make the tray icon display the current date, instead of a generic image of "31" ?
[05:46] <gnomefreak> anyone else heard issue with nvidia-glx-9755?
[05:47] <gnomefreak> it seems they stopped support for geforce4
[05:48] <Jucato> gnomefreak: they have
[05:48] <Jucato> nvidia currently maintains 3 sets now. 97xx, 96xx, and 71xx
[05:48] <gnomefreak> ok so they should be using legacy :)
[05:49] <Laser_away> Ubuntu is only maintainin 2 sets right now 97xx and 71xx
[05:49] <Jucato> but there are 2 legacy sets now :)
[05:49] <lupine_85> 9631 is what's in feisty
[05:49] <lupine_85> isn't it?
[05:49] <Jucato> hi Laser_away, just the guy I was looking for earlier :)
[05:49] <Jucato> lupine_85: not anymore
[05:49] <lupine_85> ah, coolio
[05:49] <lupine_85> that's going to annoy all the GF4 users :D
[05:49] <Laser_away> Jucato: uh oh :-)
[05:50] <gnomefreak> lupine_85: cant use nvidia-glx-legacy for beryl?
[05:50] <lupine_85> not without Xgl
[05:50] <Jucato> Laser_away: hehe not a big question really. just wondering if there's an updated version of the packaging guide, or if the PDF from help.ubuntu.com is up-to-date :D
[05:50] <gnomefreak> anyway to get the "new" in repos?
[05:50] <Laser_away> Jucato: doc.ubuntu.com has the latest
[05:50] <Jucato> Laser_away: I asked nixternal, but he said it's your baby (although I misread it as "LaserJock baby")
[05:51] <Laser_away> lol
[05:52] <nixternal> what's good measure about that one?
[05:52] <nixternal> oh wow, I just now caught how you read that
[05:52] <gnomefreak> since we added beryl to repos we should have support for all the drivers without needing xgl if we can prevent it
[05:52] <lupine_85> managing three lots of nvidia drivers might be a bit of a pain
[05:53] <Jucato> but what will we (gf4) users do? stuck to using nvidia.com's drivers?
[05:53] <gnomefreak> Jucato: or beryls repo new legacy drivers
[05:53] <Laser_away> Jucato: you can use the -legacy drivers
[05:54] <Laser_away> but I think you loose 3d accel
[05:54] <Jucato> I might as well use nv then :)
[05:54] <Jucato> it's ok... I'm quite capable of using nvidia.com :)
[05:54] <pochu> or nouveau :p
[05:54] <Jucato> but I'm going to prepare for a flood of questions/complaints in #kubuntu :D
[05:54] <lupine_85> hopefully soon... :D
[05:54] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i wouldnt advise that till final release feisty maybe
[05:54] <lupine_85> (nouveau)
[05:54] <Jucato> right now I can escape by redirecting them to #ubuntu+1 :D
[05:55] <gnomefreak> Jucato: thanks :(
[05:55] <gnomefreak> although they should be in there anyway
[05:55] <gnomefreak> thats what they get for testing 
[05:55] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I'd rather they be in #ubuntu+1 rather than cause some panic because of broken upgrades...
[05:56] <Jucato> that happened sometime earlier..
[05:56] <Laser_away> heh
[05:56] <gnomefreak> they *should* all be in ubuntu+1 for feisty questions
[05:56] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:56] <Jucato> it was like "I got some broken packages in today's updates" and other were "what?! where? when?!"
[05:56] <Jucato> s/other/others
[05:58] <Laser_away> bbiab
[05:58] <gnomefreak> i will slap something in title about it
[06:07] <sacater> feisty isn't LTS is it?
[06:07] <siretart> allee: any new about fai?
[06:07] <siretart> sacater: no
[06:07] <Jucato> sacater: nope
[06:08] <Jucato> according to an interview with Riddell, the next LTS will be 8.04...
[06:09] <allee> siretart: no.  My feisty polishing deployment.  After that (maybe today) I will try to build a new kernel
[06:10] <siretart> allee: ok. I remember you prepared a merge in launchpad. does it reference the 2.6.17 or 2.6.20 kernels? does it still make sense to wait for fai-kernels 2.6.20?
[06:10] <sacater> Jucato: ok, just wanted to make sure
[06:10] <allee> siretart: 2.6.17 is used
[06:10] <siretart> I didn't upload it that time because I thought that I would find some time to look at 2.6.20 kernels. I didn't :(
[06:10] <allee> siretart: I don't know how many kernel build cycles I need until it builds.   So there's a bit of uncertainty
[06:11] <siretart> allee: ic
[06:12] <allee> siretart: yeah, me too.  Until today laptop installation 2.6.17 worked fine but now 2.6.17 recognized /dev/hda and 2.6.20 /dev/sda :(
[06:12] <siretart> allee: given that the release isn't too far away, and we're past beta, what do you think is best for fai in feisty?
[06:13] <allee> siretart: 2.10 is broken with feisty.   So 3.10 even with 2.6.17 kernel is the better choice.
[06:13] <allee> siretart: AFAIR the special kubuntu kernel was only needed for FAI CDs, right?
[06:14] <siretart> allee: kubuntu kernel?
[06:14] <siretart> allee: kubuntu kernel?
[06:15] <allee> siretart: I never used them.   So maybe I can try if the PXE stuff still works if we use the standard kernel
[06:15] <allee> siretart: sorry, the k is in my fingers
[06:17] <siretart> ;)
[06:17] <siretart> allee: the problem is rather to produce a suitable initramfs for PXE booting. this would need to be documented properly
[06:26] <Lutin> do you think that murrine 0.5.2 would ne suitable for an UVFe ? (changes at http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/download.php)
[06:32] <mr_pouit> hi there
[06:32] <pochu> heya mr_pouit
[06:32] <mr_pouit> hi pochu 
[06:37] <bddebian> Hey, it's the FNG, load him up with work!! :)
[06:46] <jwendell> Hi, my previous package did not build on sparc and ia64. The bug is marked as 'fix committed'. I've made another debdiff, which solves this. Did i do the right thing?
[06:46] <jwendell> bug 78055
[06:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 78055 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on sun-java5; sun-java6 is now available" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78055
[06:47] <jussi01> dholbach, ping
[06:47] <dholbach> jussi01: pong
[06:48] <jussi01> dholbach, further to our conversation last night, on bug 93932 do I need to add some thing to the bug report? or will you do that?
[06:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 93932 in gnotime "[UNMETDEPS]  gnotime has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93932
[06:49] <dholbach> jussi01: if it's a rebuild that fixes it, you can add a changelog entry and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug report, so they upload it for you
[06:49] <jwendell> dholbach, hi
[06:49] <jwendell> dholbach, can you answer my question?
[06:50] <dholbach> jwendell: looks ok
[06:51] <jwendell> dholbach, so, i did the right thing... thanks
[06:51] <dholbach> ok
[06:51] <jussi01> dholbach, thanks, so what do I need to attach to the bug report? my .deb? also other stuff? Im sorry to bother, but this is the first one I have done.
[06:52] <dholbach> jussi01: add a debian/changelog entry using dch
[06:52] <dholbach> jussi01: then create a debdiff and attach it there
[06:52] <jwendell> dholbach, ah, one more question: should i mark the bug as 'in progress', instead of leave it as 'fix commited'?
[06:52] <dholbach> jwendell: both is fine
[06:53] <dholbach> jussi01: hum... the normal gnomad2 installs fine for me
[06:53] <jussi01> dholbach, gnomad2?
[06:53] <dholbach> jussi01: wasn't that the package?
[06:54] <dholbach> arg
[06:54] <jussi01> gnotime
[06:54] <dholbach> gnoTIME
[06:54] <jussi01> :D
[06:54] <dholbach> hum, that installs fine too
[06:54] <dholbach> strange
[06:55] <dholbach> maybe it was broken at that time
[06:55] <dholbach> if you check the current version, you will see that it's 2.2.2-8build1
[06:55] <dholbach> so it was rebuilt already
[06:55] <jussi01> oh...
[06:56] <dholbach> so it should be safe to close the bug now
[06:56] <dholbach> jussi01: thanks for working on it
[06:56] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody
[06:56] <dholbach> hi Toadstool
[06:56] <jussi01> dholbach, no probs, do you have some suggestions of other simple bugs I can do?
[06:56] <Toadstool> hey dholbach 
[06:56] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[06:57] <dholbach> jussi01: maybe some more of that list?
[06:57] <Toadstool> hi bddebian 
[06:57] <bddebian> jussi01: Look at ajmitch's RC bug list mentioned in /topic and file sync requests/UVFes :-)
[06:57] <jussi01> dholbach, ok, Im working on them then :D
[06:57] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO
[06:57] <jussi01> :D
[06:58] <jussi01> dholbach, will you close that bug?
[06:58] <dholbach> you can do that too
[06:58] <Toadstool> jussi01: yay! more karma ;)
[06:59] <dholbach> jussi01: click on the yellow bar in the middle
[06:59] <jussi01> dholbach, ahh thanks
[07:00] <Toadstool> gar, dunno if it's because of the proxy here at TI but LP beta is so freakin slow today...
[07:00] <jussi01> Toadstool, its nice and fast here
[07:00] <jussi01> bug 93932
[07:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 93932 in gnotime "[UNMETDEPS]  gnotime has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93932
[07:00] <jussi01> :D
[07:03] <zul> license maybe?
[07:04] <zul> or oversight
[07:04] <Adri2000> I see the version is different
[07:04] <Adri2000> we have an incredible one: 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu3
[07:05] <Adri2000> debian has just 2.5-2
[07:05] <pochu> 2004 xD
[07:06] <Adri2000> yeah, it seems a bit old
[07:06] <Adri2000> no change since dapper
[07:06] <zul> or someone didnt care about it
[07:06] <Adri2000> slomo_ is the only one in the changelog
[07:07] <zul> ask slomo then
[07:08] <Adri2000> slomo_: why is faad2 in multiverse but is in debian/main? if it's just because we have a too old version, do you think we can sync?
[07:12] <mr_pouit> Adri2000: I think it is because of the "+mp4v2+"
[07:15] <Adri2000> ok, I think the difference is that we use --with-drm
[07:15] <Adri2000> --with-mp4v2 is used in debian as well
[07:16] <Adri2000> --with-drm              compile libfaad with DRM support
[07:16] <Adri2000> do we really need that? :/
[07:20] <mr_pouit> Adri2000: libmp4v2-0 is in multiverse
[07:20] <mr_pouit> so, unless it moves in universe, faad has to stay in multiverse ^^"
[07:22] <Adri2000> mr_pouit: but libmp4v2-dev is faad2 ;)
[07:22] <Adri2000> and libmp4v2-0 too
[07:23] <Adri2000> they are binary packages of faad2
[07:23] <mr_pouit> Adri2000: I think I have to sleep :D
[07:23] <Adri2000> good night :p
[08:12] <shawarma> Is there any way to make gdb save a core file representing the current state of a traced application?
[08:25] <slomo_> Adri2000: we have that version because every newer version has an gpl incompatible license
[08:25] <slomo_> Adri2000: for example the version in debian
[08:25] <slomo_> Adri2000: and it's in multiverse because of patents
[08:26] <LaserJock> slomo_: the version in debian has a gpl incompatible license?
[08:26] <slomo_> yes
[08:26] <Adri2000> Copyright:
[08:26] <Adri2000>  This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
[08:26] <Adri2000>  under the terms of the GNU General Public License Version 2, found on
[08:26] <Adri2000>  Debian systems in the file /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL.
[08:26] <Adri2000> from debian/copyright of the package in debian
[08:26] <slomo_> debian/copyright is wrong
[08:27] <slomo_> it is GPL plus one clause that requires every app using the lib to print a text in the about box or somewhere else visible
[08:27] <LaserJock> slomo_: so should Debian have it? it seems odd that they'd be ok with it and we wouldn't
[08:27] <slomo_> i filed a bug about that
[08:28] <LaserJock> ah
[08:28] <Adri2000> slomo_: it is also stated in debian/copyright:
[08:28] <Adri2000>  Some files in this source distribution also include the following clause in 
[08:28] <Adri2000>  addition to the above license:
[08:28] <Adri2000> ...
[08:28] <slomo_> ah ok, that was fixed then
[08:29] <Adri2000> "Software using this code must display the following message visibly in or on each copy of the software: [...] " yes, but it's still in debian/main
[08:31] <Adri2000> slomo_: so do you think we can sync this package in order to have it in universe?
[08:41] <jussi01> hi motu's, I was having a look at bug 96358 and it seems to build fine in pbuilder. could it have been fixed already?
[08:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 96358 in sysv-rc-bootsplash "[UNMETDEPS]  sysv-rc-bootsplash has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96358
[08:44] <geser> jussi01: have you checked the deps of the build deb?
[08:45] <jussi01> geser, ahh...stupid me, it depends on bootsplash, which doesnt exist
[08:46] <jussi01> geser, any idea how I would find out what replces bootsplash?
[08:47] <shawarma> jussi01: apt-cache showpkg bootsplash, probably.
[08:47] <shawarma> jussi01: "Reverse provides" or something.
[08:48] <geser> bootsplash is still in Debian unstable
[08:48] <geser> the question is why it isn't in Ubuntu
[08:48] <jussi01> reverse provides splashy :D
[08:48] <Adri2000> jussi01: bootsplash is in debian, but not in feisty, it needs a sync request with an FF exception
[08:49] <jussi01> Adri2000, ok, so is that something for me to do? 
[08:49] <Adri2000> hmm, but the package is not really young, so I don't know why it hasn't been automatically synced...
[08:50] <Adri2000> jussi01: first, find out why it's not already in ubuntu
[08:51] <Adri2000> anyone knows where is the sync black list?
[08:56] <Adri2000> found it, jussi01: see that bootsplash is in http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt
[08:56] <shawarma> Adri2000: 2 sec.
[08:56] <Adri2000> shawarma: ^ :p
[08:56] <shawarma> Adri2000: Ok.
[08:57] <jussi01> Adri2000, so what does that mean for me?
[08:57] <Adri2000> jussi01: we don't have bootsplash because we have our own usplash, and sysv-rc-bootsplash is probably not needed either since it seems to be useful only with bootsplash
[08:58] <jussi01> Adri2000, so what do I need to do about it? add a coment to the bug? or?
[08:59] <pochu> hey sacater!
[09:00] <sacater> pochu: got me another basic bug :D, no desktop file for the 'bloboats' game
[09:00] <Adri2000> jussi01: you could ask for a removal from the archive, but first you need to make sure that it's really useless without bootsplash, same with the package bootsplash-theme-debian I think
[09:01] <pochu> sacater: good, I also started with desktop files :)
[09:01] <sacater> pochu: the only real work is making the actual picture, otherwise its pretty straightforward
[09:01] <jussi01> Adri2000, so that reverse provides that shawarma suggested that returned splashy isnt a replacement for bootsplash?
[09:03] <jussi01> sacater, be careful with that ;)
[09:04] <Adri2000> jussi01: splashy provides and replaces bootsplash, we have splashy so it's ok. I don't know how it works with usplash though
[09:04] <sacater> jussi01: i can tell you how it works if youd like, can be done to almost any pen if you have match ends, lighter fuel, thread, and some time
[09:04] <jussi01> Adri2000, Ill have a play with it
[09:04] <Adri2000> jussi01: splashy "doesn't require patching the Linux kernel.", maybe it's the problem with bootsplash
[09:04] <jussi01> sacater, nah, i fine wothout making bombs...thanks... :P
[09:05] <jussi01> ahhh...maybe
[09:05] <sacater> jussi01: when i say bomb, i mean it would make a travelling bag start to smoulder, then catch alight
[09:06] <sacater> LD
[09:06] <sacater> :D
[09:06] <sacater> hee hee heee heeeeee
[09:09] <sacater> please dont call the cops.....
[09:09] <sacater> :P
[09:13] <sacater> desktop files go in /usr/bin/applications right?
[09:13] <enyc> sacater: meep
[09:14] <sacater> enyc: meep meep
[09:14] <enyc> ;-)
[09:14] <sacater> enyc: is it right?
[09:15] <enyc> erm not sure
[09:16] <enyc> sacater: /usr/bin is binaries of most things (some are in /bin too)
[09:16] <sacater> okies
[09:16] <enyc> sacater: I dont recognize /usr/bin/applications *and* that does not exist on my edgy system
[09:16] <sacater> whoops
[09:16] <sacater> sorry
[09:16] <sacater> i made a BIG mistkate
[09:16] <sacater> /usr/share/applications
[09:16] <enyc> sacater: ~/Desktop  contains files that appear on desktop within a particular user account ;-)
[09:17] <enyc> sacater: I can see .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/
[09:18] <enyc> sacater: Im not sure what reads those files...
[09:18] <enyc> sacater: maybe /usr/local/share/applications is looked at too... maybe not
[09:19] <sacater> meh
[09:19] <sacater> ill get it right...
[09:21] <pochu> sacater: /usr/share/applications is the path :)
[09:21] <sacater> pochu: thanks. thought so
[09:21] <pochu> night jussi01!
[09:22] <sacater> jussi01: bye
[09:27] <sacater> pochu: if i add a desktop file to the package, who should the maintainer be, me or the original
[09:28] <pochu> sacater: noone, but the MOTU team
[09:28] <sacater> :|
[09:28] <pochu> sacater: and you should add a XSBC-Original-Maintainer: field
[09:28] <pochu> to the control file
[09:28] <sacater> right
[09:29] <sacater> i put my name in that field or MOTU
[09:29] <sacater> sorry
[09:29] <sacater> mistake
[09:29] <sacater> forget it
[09:30] <sacater> pochu: Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU
[09:30] <sacater> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
[09:30] <enyc> question... for big  78005  -- do I (now that the Universe SRU policy has changed) now need to "prepare a second upload to release-updates:" ??
[09:30] <enyc> err bug
[09:30] <enyc> im not sure howto exactly.... or a universe sponsor needs to?
[09:30] <enyc> (the requirement (7 days, at least 2 worksforme) has now been satisfied)
[09:32] <pochu> sacater: the ubuntu motu should have an @ubuntu address
[09:33] <welshbyte> sacater: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[09:33] <sacater> welshbyte pochu: ty
[09:33] <sacater> Source: bloboats
[09:33] <sacater> Section: games
[09:33] <sacater> Priority: optional
[09:33] <sacater> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[09:33] <sacater> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
[09:33] <pochu> sacater: np: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html
[09:34] <sacater> Uploaders: Gonri Le Bouder <goneri@rulezlan.org>
[09:34] <sacater> pochu: that look right?
[09:34] <pochu> sacater: yeah
[09:34] <sacater> cool
[09:35] <pochu> you just have to move the maintainer to the original maintainer, then add an @ubuntu maintainer (motu for motu packages)
[09:35] <sacater> erm
[09:35] <sacater> dont follow
[09:36] <sacater> can you mod it for me
[09:36] <sacater> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[09:36] <sacater> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
[09:36] <slomo_> Adri2000: no... as it will make everything linking to it currently break the license of it
[09:37] <Adri2000> :(
[09:37] <Adri2000> sacater: it's okay like that
[09:38] <sacater> Adri2000: coool
[09:41] <sacater> Adri2000: does the changelog entry log good.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12609/
[09:42] <welshbyte> sacater: you need to put your actual email address in there
[09:42] <welshbyte> instead of @neo
[09:43] <sacater> ah yes
[09:43] <sacater> quite so
[09:43] <sacater> i have a matrix network
[09:43] <sacater> trinity morpheus etc
[09:43] <sacater> file server is called zion
[09:44] <welshbyte> also if it's fixing a bug, you might want to reference it like (LP #12345)
[09:44] <sacater> ah yes
[09:44] <sacater> of course
[09:44] <sacater> can do
[09:45] <Adri2000> sacater: s/unstable/feisty/
[09:45] <sacater> ok
[09:45] <welshbyte> oops missed that one :)
[09:46] <sacater> if i get this done it will be my second package amendment/bug
[09:46] <sacater> the first was my tea.desktop file 
[09:46] <sacater> and LaserJock uploaded for me :D
[09:47] <sacater> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12611/
[09:48] <welshbyte> that top line isn't in the file, right?
[09:48] <pochu> sacater: are you using "dch -i" ?
[09:49] <shawarma> sacater: You shouldn't update the debian version. (ie. your version should be 1.0.1.dsfg-1ubuntu1)
[09:50] <sacater> welshbyte: no
[09:50] <sacater> pochu: yes
[09:50] <sacater> shawarma: it is i think
[09:50] <sacater> oh with a 1
[09:51] <shawarma> sacater: Precisely.
[09:51] <sacater> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12613/
[09:51] <sacater> try that
[09:52] <pochu> hmm, sacater: dch -i already does that (at least in feisty hehe)
[09:52] <pochu> I mean: from -1 to -1ubuntu1, and adds feisty instead of unstable
[09:52] <sacater> well it didnt for me
[09:53] <sacater> and im not using feisty until 1 week after its release
[09:53] <sacater> so all the major bugs people find can be destroyed
[09:53] <pochu> hehe
[09:53] <welshbyte> ...
[09:53] <shawarma> sacater: Looks better. I think though that the recommended syntax for the LP bug thing is "(LP: #12345)" (note the colon).
[09:54] <sacater> ok
[09:54] <sacater> can do
[09:54] <sacater> right
[09:55] <sacater> is it okay now that if put the colon in?
[09:57] <welshbyte> looks ok
[10:03] <welshbyte> sacater: btw if you're using edgy to fix feisty packages, you might want to make sure that they're actually feisty packages and test build them using a feisty pbuilder
[10:04] <zorglu_> q. i would like to start a deamon when the user login. i look at tracker package, and it has a /usr/share/autostart/trackerd.desktop. this seems to be the thing i could copy. is there a documentation on this file format ?
[10:07] <allee> siretart: no luck (as you predicted) with fai-kernels.  I've tried the ubuntu -generic one and one with CONFIG_NFS_FS=y.  In both cases the kernel could not handle the root=nfs... kernel parm
[10:14] <sacater> pochu: if i made a .desktop file from scratch, but made a legit one, dont i need to add it to a file somewhere, so it knows where to put it and everything
[10:14] <welshbyte> zorglu_: all i can find is https://launchpad.net/bugs/32475
[10:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 32475 in gnome-session "autostart documentation" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[10:15] <zorglu_> welshbyte: ok looking, i found http://l10n.kde.org/docs/admin/autostart-and-runonce.html but it is kde specific
[10:15] <zorglu_> welshbyte: thanks for looking tho :)
[10:15] <welshbyte> np
[10:15] <pochu> sacater: yeah, to debian/rules, for example
[10:15] <pochu> sacater: or debian/package.files, depends on the package
[10:15] <enyc> question... for bug number  78005  -- do I (now that the Universe SRU policy has changed) now need to "prepare a second upload to release-updates:" ??
[10:16] <enyc> (the requirement (7 days, at least 2 worksforme) has now been satisfied)
[10:16] <enyc> (but I dont know howto do the release-updates)
[10:16] <enyc> or If snomebody in MOTEU somewhere does that
[10:16] <enyc> MOTU
[10:18] <enyc> (ive read the MOTU SRU page on wiki.ubuntu.com -- but im not sure who does the release-updathe preparation!!!
[10:18] <zorglu_> welshbyte: fyi the spec seems to be http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html
[10:18] <welshbyte> zorglu_: cool
[10:18] <enyc> im confused
[10:18] <enyc> err... yawns
[10:19] <enyc> grrr
[10:19] <enyc> error!
[10:19] <welshbyte> meep
[10:19] <enyc> error!
[10:19] <pochu> oups :)
[10:20] <enyc> pochu: dont press that button!!!
[10:20] <Monk-e> that is one big ass netsplit :o | !ohmy | Monk-e
[10:20] <enyc> pochu: bad pochu!
[10:20] <enyc> lol ;-)
[10:23] <sacater> what is netsplit
[10:23] <sacater> ive never seen it much before
[10:23] <sacater> didnt want to ask
[10:23] <enyc> sacater: the IRC site 'irc.freenode.net' is actually a collection of different servers.
[10:24] <enyc> sacater: a 'netsplit' is when some server(s) become disconnected
[10:25] <enyc> sacater: in the DNS, irc.freenode.net is an alias (cname) for 'chat.freenode.net' and 'chat.freenode.net' has the addresses 194.24.188.100, 208.71.169.36, 85.188.1.26, 140.211.166.3, 140.211.166.4
[10:25] <enyc> e
[10:25] <enyc> sacater: i.e. your irc program may try to connect ot any address...
[10:26] <sacater> okay
[10:26] <sacater> thanks
[10:26] <enyc> sacater: when there is a 'split' users who happen to be on different servers but in the same 'shared channel' then get disconnected -- and the "quits:" list shows those
[10:27] <psusi> were there any serious changes in X fonts between dapper and edgy?
[10:27] <LaserJock> zakame: thanks for the blog post. I was looking for exactly that this week
[10:27] <sacater> hey, can someone take a look at this, i THINK it means there is something wrong with my debian/rules file
[10:28] <sacater> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12630/
[10:28] <psusi> since I upgraded non gnome X apps can't locate fonts even though they are shown in xlsfonts and xfontsel...
[10:35] <jekil> slomo_: hi, can i ask you for mentoring?
[10:39] <mr_pouit> sacater: it seems the docbook-to-man command is missing. Did you install the package (and put it in the Build-Depends of your package)?
[10:40] <sacater> yes
[10:40] <sacater> hang on
[10:40] <sacater> one mo....
[10:45] <sacater> 	cp debian/bloboats.xpm debian/bloboats/usr/share/pixmaps
[10:45] <sacater> 	cp debian/bloboats.desktop debian/bloboats/usr/share/applications/
[10:45] <sacater> the second one is my desktop file
[10:46] <sacater> whats wrong....
[10:47] <bddebian> does that dir exist?
[10:47] <sacater> how do you mean?
[10:48] <sacater> which one
[10:48] <sacater> there are 2 there
[10:48] <bddebian>  usr/share/applications
[10:48] <sacater> yes
[10:48] <sacater> it exists
[10:48] <sacater> should do on any edgy system
[10:49] <ajmitch> sacater: no, does it exist under debian/bloboats?
[10:49] <sacater> no
[10:49] <sacater> it dosnt
[10:49] <ajmitch> then make it so
[10:49] <sacater> ok..
[10:50] <ajmitch> there'll be a dirs file (or bloboats.dirs)
[10:50] <sacater> ok
[10:51] <sacater> bddebian: grow up
[10:51] <sacater> ajmitch: in the .dirs, do i add the directort i just made
[10:52] <bddebian> I'm growing old but I refuse to grow up
[10:52] <ajmitch> no, it makes the directory
[10:52] <ajmitch> by you placing it in there
[10:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: we know
[10:52] <sacater> ok
[10:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: pfft
[10:53] <sacater> ajmitch: so i should leave bloboats.dir alone
[10:53] <ajmitch> no, that's what I'm saying
[10:53] <ajmitch> you don't make the directory manually
[10:53] <bddebian> No, you should add usr/share/applications to .dirs
[10:53] <sacater> ok
[10:53] <sacater> cna do
[10:53] <ajmitch> dh_installdirs uses the dirs file
[10:53] <sacater> even though it already exists?
[10:53] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm, I'm trying figure out what you are snickering about
[10:53] <ajmitch> because debian/bloboats will get removed on clean
[10:53] <LaserJock> maybe I don't want to know
[10:53] <bddebian> no
[10:53] <sacater> with .desktop files in
[10:54] <sacater> LaserJock: he finds bloboats funny
[10:54] <ajmitch> the .desktop files are put there at build time
[10:54] <ajmitch> each time it gets built
[10:54] <ajmitch> the directory gets created for every build
[10:54] <sacater> ah
[10:54] <sacater> pl
[10:54] <sacater> ok
[10:55] <sacater> ajmitch: do i also put my .desktop file in /debian/bloboats/usr/share/applications
[10:55] <ajmitch> isn't that what you were doing anyway?
[10:56] <ajmitch> (minus the preceding /)
[10:56] <sacater> yes
[10:56] <sacater> ok
[10:56] <sacater> let me try building
[10:56] <sacater> after a crap
[11:02] <bddebian> Oh and he complains about my snickering..
[11:44] <zorglu_> q. i would like to launch webbrowser from a script, how can i determine the prefered browser for the user ?
[11:44] <zorglu_> is there a script or something ?
[11:46] <zorglu_> or i could write a crappy one myself :)
[11:46] <zorglu_> just looking for 'best practice' :)
[11:46] <LaserJock> I think there scripts/alternatives
[11:47] <LaserJock> sensible-browser is one
[11:48] <zorglu_> looking thanks :)
[11:53] <bddebian> Heya geser
[11:53] <geser> Hi bddebian
[12:01] <racarr> sensible-browser is just going to execute x-www-browser
[12:01] <racarr> or $BROWSER
[12:02] <racarr> zorglu_: ^
[12:02] <zorglu_> racarr: yep i looked at it, it does a lot of things, it is way better that anything i could write myself :)
[12:03] <racarr> heh you should be fine just running x-www-browser
[12:03] <racarr> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2006-10-08 20:52 /usr/bin/x-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-03-11 16:52 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/konqueror
[12:04] <zorglu_> or simply use the standard script :)
[12:04] <zorglu_> i mean they did it, why would i bypass them :)
[12:07] <bddebian> Later gang
[12:07] <TheMuso_> Hey MOTUs.