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InnatechHi! Is there a channel for Ubuntu system/network admins to use for discussion & collaboration?12:57
maxamillionInnatech: not to my knowledge, could be something to be brought up before the IRC council about creating though12:59
InnatechHow would one go about doing that? Is there a wiki page I should go read?12:59
maxamillionInnatech: no, i can email the other ops on the mailing list and see if we can get a vote on it01:00
naliothwould that be #ubuntu-bofh-lair, or something like that?01:00
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InnatechProbably in spirit only. :)01:01
naliothjust think of a good name for the channel, (try not to confuse anyone into thinking canonical employees are in it) and go for it01:01
naliothno email needed01:02
InnatechBut it would be nice to have a place to ask questions about server oriented activities, network management and planning, related discussion, etc.01:02
naliothjust park the !CoC in the topic and be familiar with all the !guidelines and such01:02
InnatechYeah, not a bad idea. Still, it seemed like a decent idea to offer up to the powers that be first.01:02
naliothInnatech: go for it01:02
InnatechmmK.01:03
maxamillionnalioth: oh ... ok01:03
nalioth#ubuntu-server-administrators or something?01:03
Innatechyeah, I think that feels about right.01:03
nalioth#ubuntu-server-wranglers?01:03
Innatechhehe.01:03
naliothas i said, try not to make a confusing channel name01:04
PuMpErNiCkLe#ubuntu-bofh would be easy to remember. :)01:04
Innatechmaybe #ubuntu-server-admin (to imply both "administrator" and "administration.")01:04
maxamillionuhmm... this is too cool: http://www.linutop.com/01:05
naliothso long as you run it according to the guidelines, you'll be fine01:06
InnatechI should read them again.01:06
nalioth!guidelines > Innatech01:06
Innatechthanks.01:06
goukiSeems a very good idea. (=01:06
InnatechHopefully people will find it useful. I enjoy working with LTS very much.01:08
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goukimaxamillion: That Linutop is pretty cool!01:14
maxamilliongouki: i thought so :)01:15
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Burgworkthere are lots of cool thin clients01:16
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Kamping_KaiserInnatech, what chanel name did you go with?01:43
gouki#ubuntu-server-admin01:44
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Innatechyep.01:52
Burgworkubuntu channels tend to be targets01:53
Burgworkdo you have admins for that channel yet?01:53
Burgworkif not, I will happily step up01:53
InnatechNot yet. I'm relatively new to FreeNode, you'd be welcome.01:55
goukiI'm not part of the IRC Team, but if you need any help I wouldn't mind either.01:56
InnatechWell, I don't think we need to worry about that unless the Ubuntu team wants to take it over, in which case I'd get out of the way. Heh.02:00
naliothyou just jumped into "the Ubuntu team", Innatech02:00
naliothwelcome02:00
InnatechThanks!02:02
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Tm_Tsomeone should have backlog about that02:11
democracyhi, i am being harrased by LjL in #ubuntu+102:12
LjLdemocracy: hi, i am ljl02:12
Tm_Tdemocracy: good02:12
democracyLjL: hi, stop harassing me please02:13
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Kamping_Kaiserwhats happening?02:13
PriceChilddemocracy, you were offtopic for the channel...02:13
democracyPriceChild: so was every body else02:13
democracyPriceChild: he singled me out for no reason02:13
PriceChildand that makes it right?02:13
Tm_Toh boy...02:13
PriceChilddemocracy, it was a friendly suggestion to get on topic.02:13
LjL(political troll)  [02:07:52]  <-- god has left this channel (requested by LjL: "You should have known better, bye").      [02:08:14]  <LjL> democracy: want one? :)      [02:08:21]  <democracy> LjL: what?    [02:08:30]  <LjL> democracy: funny way to say "stop the topic"    [02:09:12]  <democracy> LjL: what?    [02:11:55]  <LjL> democracy, nevermind, just remember this channel is for talking about ubuntu and not politics and such. even if replying to someone02:13
LjLelse.02:13
LjLso, i think this is either a misunderstanding, or you're a troll.02:14
LjLif one asked me, i'd say you're a troll, but then who am i to say.02:14
democracyLjL: so everyone who disagrees with you is a troll?02:14
democracyLjL: what a way to run a channel.02:14
nalioth1175040470 19:07 < democracy> god made george bush president. :)                 <<< off topic for #ubuntu-*02:14
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LjLpeople who employ strawman arguments are trolls.02:14
apokryphosdemocracy: please relax. No-one is going to take you seriously if you're going to be abrasive.02:14
LjLnow, stop this discussion. thank you.02:14
Tm_T(:02:15
Tm_Tkids02:15
PriceChildIts over02:15
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naliothwhew02:15
PriceChildnote +1 if you didn't see02:15
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Tm_They, back to my issue, anyone has backlog about me being removed from here?02:15
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LjLbanned from +1 due to insulting me02:15
PriceChildTm_T, i'll check02:15
apokryphosTm_T: removed?02:16
Tm_TPriceChild: thanks02:16
naliothLjL: no. he's banned for off topicity and non-CoC behaviour02:16
LjLhe's banned for whatever you say he's banned :)02:16
apokryphosTm_T: another victim of Hobbsee!02:16
apokryphosTm_T: you can check the bantracker: just /msg ubotu btlogin02:17
Tm_Ta'ha02:17
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Tm_Twell, anyway, kick me if you want but please DONT remove, I see nothing when that happens02:17
Tm_Tand rather just slap02:18
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Tm_Tbeing removed/kicked isn't funny joke anymore02:18
Tm_Toh well...02:18
naliothTm_T: talk to hobbsee02:19
Tm_TI will ] ;=02:19
Tm_TI understand it well if someone get fun out of it, but I have my past etc (:02:19
LongPointyStickwhat's this now?02:20
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Tm_TLongPointyStick: make it short, don't remove, it's not fun02:21
Tm_Ts/make/making02:21
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LjLLongPointyStick: basically, just kick him repeatedly, he's got autorejoin and won't care, but don't remove him :P02:22
Tm_TLjL: autorejoin? what's that?02:22
LjLok, well, just kick mc44 when i'm not then02:23
LongPointyStickLjL: heh.02:24
LongPointyStickTm_T: it's not really nice to kick when you'r not there, anyway02:27
Tm_Tthat too02:27
LjLwell, the server will refuse to do that anyway, usually02:28
LjLgeese...02:30
LjLi knew it was coming, but was busy checking if there were bots in -unregged. gah. should learn to do first things first02:31
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LongPointyStickbot attack?02:32
LjLbig one02:34
Tm_TLongPointyStick: about kick, atleast I see the reason02:34
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LongPointyStickTm_T: you shoul dbe able to see the remove reason too,  you know02:35
LjLfolks02:35
Tm_TLongPointyStick: should, but I dont :)02:35
LjLunless i'm reading this very wrong, these bots knew how to dodge the throttling02:35
LjLand they knew it well, even02:35
PriceChildIsn't there a way you can set them up not to follow redirects?02:35
PriceChildI'm sure I heard someone mention that a while back.02:36
LjLPriceChild: yeah, but the point is not that they didn't end up in -unregged02:36
LjLPriceChild: the point is that there was way more than 5 of them02:36
LjL(or whatever the limit was)02:36
PriceChildThat's what I mean, setting lots to join, but only those got through and none of the blocked would follow the redirect... or is disabling redirects impossible?02:37
LjLPriceChild, no, it's quite possible to disable them02:37
LjLbut if it were as you said, *only five bots* would get in02:37
LjLwhich is usually the case02:37
LjLthis time, it looks like they were way more than that02:37
Kamping_KaiserLongPointyStick, hi02:38
LjLwhich means they knew how long to wait, i suppose02:38
LongPointyStickheya Kamping_Kaiser!02:38
Tm_TLongPointyStick: anyway, no hard feelings, just got a bit scared :)02:38
Kamping_Kaiser:)02:38
LjLyes, indeed, they joined at a distance of some seconds, each group of five02:38
LongPointyStickTm_T: heh.  i dont tend to kick now anyway02:38
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AmaranthHobbsee: he doesn't have any interest in going04:11
HobbseeAmaranth: i see that..04:11
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Hobbseesigh04:15
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Peloyes ?04:17
HobbseePelo: i'm not trying to abuse people.  i'm trying to get them help in a way that they can actually use it.04:17
Hobbseeand not disrupt the rest of the channel while doing so04:17
PeloI think kicks and bans should be reserved for ppl who are out of line04:17
Hobbseepeople who wont obey instructions kind of do fit that...04:18
Hobbseeand the reason i used a kick, not remove, was that some poeple arent actually seeing what hte remove message is04:18
Hobbseewhereas they are seeing a kick one04:18
Hobbseeyou'll note that that was a banforward, not a ban.04:18
Peloyou need to think in terms of noobs04:18
Hobbseeand now he's cursing at me.  woo.04:19
Hobbseei do.  trust me04:19
Peloguess why ?04:19
Tm_Thmm04:20
PeloHobbsee,  I'm not calling you an abusive op,  I just advocating the gentle approach04:20
HobbseeAmaranth: your opinion?04:20
Tm_THobbsee: silly hat you got04:20
HobbseePelo: that was said to him >4 times.  at which point i gave up04:20
AmaranthHobbsee: I would have just outright muted or banned him04:20
Pelohe couldhave been easily ignored,  he wasn't disruptive04:21
Hobbseedidnt appear to be wanting to say anything to do with ubuntu, either04:21
AmaranthHobbsee was being gentle. :)04:21
Hobbseeoh, he only got told three times where to go.  my bad.04:21
HobbseePelo: usually they would have just gotten banned for talking rubbish after the first op call04:22
Hobbseethat *was* the gentle, give the benefit of the doubt approach04:22
Hobbseewe have multiple trolls who will go and behave like that, just to get kicked.04:22
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HobbseeTm_T: a guy in ubuntu not making much sense, saying nothing on topic, so i banforwarded him to #ubuntu-tr where he should be able to find what he's looking for, in his native language04:24
Hobbseenot many people in there though, i note04:24
Tm_TI see, no harm done IMO04:25
Pelothe guy was speaking english,  broken as it was  just tought the ban was too much04:25
Pelodamit04:26
Amaranth...04:26
Pelojust realised I downloaded a french movie with subtitles ,  and I speak french04:26
AmaranthUh04:27
Pelototaly unrelated,04:27
PeloI just can't remove the subs04:27
AmaranthTake the discussion of illegal activities elsewhere.04:27
Pelodone04:27
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Hobbseesigh04:27
Kamping_Kaiser:|04:28
Tm_Taah, almost messed two nicks, pelo and peno04:30
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Amaranth!ati05:13
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:13
Amaranth!ati-#ubuntu-effects05:13
ubotuUse the "fglrx" driver if you have a Radeon < 9000, X** series or a card with TV-Out capabilities: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - Use the "ati" driver for the Radeon < 850005:13
Amaranth!-ati_#ubuntu-effects05:14
Amaranth!-ati-#ubuntu-effects05:14
ubotuati-#ubuntu-effects aliases: fglrx-#ubuntu-effects - added by LjL on 2007-02-02 21:29:1605:14
Amaranth!no ati-#ubuntu-effects is <reply> Use the "fglrx" driver if you have a Radeon newer than an X800 or want TV-Out capabilities: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - Use the "ati" driver for everything else.05:15
ubotuI'll remember that Amaranth05:15
Amaranth!nvidia05:15
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:15
Amaranth!nvidia-#ubuntu-effects05:15
ubotuUse the NVidia driver and XGL, aiglx is not supported yet. Driver howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia05:15
Amaranth!-nvidia-#ubuntu-effects05:15
ubotunvidia-#ubuntu-effects has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-07-03 10:39:5805:15
elkbuntuheh.. i have no clue what my card is newer or older than05:15
Amaranthok that one i can excuse05:15
Amaranth!forget nvidia-#ubuntu-effects05:16
ubotuI'll forget that, Amaranth05:16
Amaranthelkbuntu: better than the old factoid :)05:16
elkbuntuit's still alien speak to me05:16
Amaranththese are advanced users05:17
Amaranththey're trying to setup compiz or beryl on edgy05:17
PuMpErNiCkLe*cough*05:17
Kamping_Kaiserheh. doesnt folllow05:17
Kamping_Kaiser*s=l05:17
Kamping_Kaiser*s-l05:17
Amaranthelkbuntu: do you have better text? :)05:18
elkbuntuAmaranth, how about... 'Beryl is cracktastic and will dessicate your eyeballs with extended exposure... RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE'05:19
elkbuntu:05:19
Amaranthhey now :)05:20
PuMpErNiCkLe+1 :)05:20
tonyyarussoUh oh - it's an all-out sane people vs. beryl devs war!05:20
elkbuntumy point was... have a guide that lets someone know where their card lies in ATI history05:21
elkbuntui've got no clue where my 200m lies05:21
Amaranthneither do i05:21
Amaranthbut i know 3D is broken on it05:21
elkbuntuvirtually yeah05:22
elkbuntuit's one of the most common card of off-the-shelf laptops of around the 2yr-present age range too. acer, compaq/hp and toshiba loved them for a while05:25
elkbuntunot sure if they still do05:26
Amaranthnah, they ship newer ones now05:26
AmaranthX1000 and junk, iirc05:26
elkbuntuwhich might get to my area in 6mths time05:27
Amaranthat least your 200m has open source 2D support05:27
Amaranthi don't think those do05:27
elkbuntuheh05:27
elkbuntuanyway, back to my point.. there needs to be a genealogical map of them so people can check, especially when they know what they have now, not what came before or after ;)05:28
Amaranthelkbuntu: sounds like a fun project for you ;)05:29
elkbuntuoh hell no05:29
elkbuntui've got enough on my plate at the moment05:30
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DBOhi elkbuntu06:34
elkbuntuhi DBO06:34
DBOhow are you?06:34
elkbuntupissed off at the moment06:34
DBOwhy pissed off?06:34
elkbunturecent events, and people dredging up past events and creating conspiracies around them06:35
DBOlets write an open letter to the world06:35
DBODear World,06:35
DBOQuit sucking06:35
DBOsigned,06:35
DBODBO06:35
elkbuntuheh06:35
DBOactually06:36
DBOsigned,06:36
DBOJason06:36
tonyyarussoA name?  Are we allowed to have those?  Oh wait...06:37
DBOindeed06:37
Kamping_Kaisertonyyarusso, 'name' is a synonym for 'nick' in RL06:38
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, Gus said: !anything is quite amusing.06:49
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tonyyarussoUbyebyetu ?07:50
elkbuntu?07:59
tonyyarussoApparently Ubugtu has left us, which I wasn't aware of until recently08:00
tonyyarussoanyway, I'm sleeping, so I'll leave it to you to hunt as much detail as you care for tonight08:00
elkbuntuubugtu didnt leave, she married ubotu and took his name :08:01
Kamping_Kaiserpoor ubotu - whats his new name?08:02
elkbuntuubotu is now Mr Ubotu and Mrs Ubotu (maiden: Ubugtu)08:03
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Kamping_Kaiserwell, time to be good again ;)08:04
MadpilotSeveas, Ubugtu has merged with ubotu, evidently?08:04
Seveasyes08:06
elkbuntuSeveas, did you announce to the irc list?08:06
Seveaselkbuntu, not yet, wanted to see first whether it worked good enough to keep this way08:07
Madpilot@lart the lack of information from Sev08:07
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Madpilotcool, those still work :)08:08
Seveasof course08:08
Seveasno functionality was lost :)08:08
Madpilot@calc 3*508:09
Madpilothmm... @calc used to work08:09
Seveas@load Math08:09
ubotuOK08:09
Madpilot@calc 3*508:10
ubotu1508:10
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Madpilotthnx Seveas08:10
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ubotuIn #ubuntu, Yeti___ said: !x is not going to help anything.09:43
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Madpilotmorning mneptok10:27
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mneptokheya10:30
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Kamping_Kaiserare /ignore lists client or server side?10:34
mneptokclient10:34
Kamping_Kaiserhm. wonder why xchat cleared it then10:34
Kamping_Kaiserthanks10:34
Madpilotspeaking of xchat - how come edgy's version seems to crash everytime I close it?10:37
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elkbuntuwell, i may have just successfully got myself outed from the LinuxChix community... we'll find out soon10:41
mc44o.O10:41
mneptokelkbuntu: toldya not to wear the strap-on10:42
elkbuntusomeone brought up stephan's posts, and it ended up in a Greeristic feminist debate, so i left the channel saying 'i give up, i did not come for the feminism'. the AussieChix leader emailed me afterwards, so i've just replied in full, fact-by-fact detail what pissed me off10:42
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SeveazLong live openvpn11:20
SeveazFinally IRC from work :)11:20
jendaneat ;)11:32
elkbuntuso, the aussiechix leader hasnt replied yet11:36
mneptokelkbuntu: she's probably busy castrating a man with a burning brassiere11:43
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mc441coc-jbj | mneptok11:44
mc44doh11:44
mc44!coc-jbj | mneptok11:44
ubotumneptok: a/s/l?11:44
elkbuntui'm now intrigued as to how the hell that would go down11:44
mneptokageless/neuter/RIGHT THE FUCK BEHIND YOU11:44
jendaO_O11:48
jenda!ohmy | mneptok11:48
ubotumneptok: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.11:48
jenda</tsmithism>11:49
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Kamping_Kaiserrofl @ mneptok11:56
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SeveazNo, that is not bad news :)12:56
SeveazIt just means that jono had some good points and we'll discuss it at UDS12:56
elkbunturemember the list, dear12:58
schwukmy ubuntu member cloak appears to not be working. I am a member of the irc cloaks group.12:59
Kamping_Kaisercan we have a bot back in -au?01:48
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jendawhee02:11
jendaeffie_jayx: for one thing, I got it.02:11
jendaFor another thing... I just got a huge, crazy huge box from Canonical.02:11
effie_jayxjenda,  :O02:12
effie_jayxbox of???02:12
effie_jayxis the amount right? my coworker was having second thoughts on the crown-dollar convertion rate :S02:12
jendaeffie_jayx: it's alright02:13
jendaunless of course you sent me more than you wanted to ;)02:13
effie_jayxI sent 25 dollars02:13
effie_jayxhe said ti was 550 crowns02:13
effie_jayx*it02:14
jendayeap, should be, approx02:14
jendain fact, it's a bit less, even.02:14
jenda525.90202:15
jendahe sent me 25 more than you gave him...02:15
jendashould I send him a few stickers? ;)02:15
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effie_jayxnah... keep the change  ;)02:18
effie_jayxhehe02:18
jendahehe :)02:20
jendathanks.02:20
effie_jayxjenda,  I'm just amazed at how lucky I am... what are the chances of working with a guy that comes from your country... and think he was going to be the liason for the money transfer :D02:20
jendaindeed :)02:20
jendaeffie_jayx: the production cost of the posters was 357.60 CZK, the shipping 170 = 527.6002:22
jendaeffie_jayx: which means you donated over a dollar towards the cause ;)02:22
effie_jayxit's not like you can buy a coke then :S02:24
elkbuntuin .cz... it could be possible02:24
effie_jayxjenda,  how much is a coke there?02:24
jendahmm02:25
jendayou won't buy a 2 liter bottle for 22 crowns, but prollly a glass.02:25
jendaYou could buy two beers, though :)02:25
jendaand if it was my money, trust me, I would ;)02:25
elkbuntuyou dont have cans or smaller bottles?02:25
jendaof course02:26
jendathe smaller bottles tend to be ridiculously expensive (usually 18 for 0.5l, while 28 is the price for 2l)02:26
effie_jayxfunny how beer is always cheaper02:27
effie_jayxin my country beer is 3 for a dollar02:27
jendaThis is the first time I got CD stands from shipit... neat ;)02:27
jendaeffie_jayx: wooow, I'm moving.02:27
jenda:)02:27
jendaVenezuela?02:28
effie_jayxjenda,  probably your compatriota is here02:28
effie_jayxbecause of that same reason ... :D02:28
jendahmm ;)02:28
effie_jayxjenda,  Venezuela... Maracaibo to be exact...02:28
jendaok, ok, I could name your street and number, to be exact, but won't ;)02:29
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=== jenda heard Venezuela is a beautiful country. One I'd definitely like to visit.
effie_jayxhehe02:30
effie_jayxjenda,  it is a nice country. :D02:30
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jendaIs it inappropriate to offer the shipit team a few stickers, just because they make me so happy? :)02:30
elkbuntuwhat did they make you happy with?02:31
Seveazcds?02:31
effie_jayxelkbuntu,  you are breaking the CoC v202:31
effie_jayxhehe02:31
jendaapart from the Edgy CDs they sent, the CD stands...02:31
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Kamping_KaiserSeveas, can we have a bot in -au?02:31
jenda...and that they will send me a conference pack eventually.02:31
effie_jayxelkbuntu,  you summoned?02:31
SeveazHobbsee, do you read minds?02:31
jendawow02:31
elkbuntushe must02:32
Seveaz* elkbuntu wonders where hobbsee is :-/ <-- a minute ago....02:32
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Seveazmeh, can't do it from this nick02:32
jendaSeveaz: how about we burn elkbuntu at a stake?02:32
elkbuntu:(02:32
Kamping_Kaiser:/02:32
SeveazKamping_Kaiser, file a bug on ubuntu-bots and I'll do it when home02:32
elkbuntui will go cry now02:32
jendathat was definitely dark magic...02:32
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Kamping_KaiserSeveas, ok02:32
HobbseeSeveaz: heh, of course.02:33
effie_jayx* effie_jayx draws a lightsaber to defend elkbuntu  <--------- gee how geeky did that sound ?02:36
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Kamping_Kaiser*Real Men (TM)02:37
elkbuntuhehe, quite geeky, my knight in shimmery lycra :02:37
Kamping_Kaiser>.<02:37
effie_jayxelkbuntu,  ok... me in spandex ??? that tops jenda  topless02:38
effie_jayxby farrr02:38
jenda:-D02:38
elkbuntujenda topless? where?02:39
jendamuhehe02:39
effie_jayxelkbuntu, that was yesterday...02:40
elkbuntuaww02:40
elkbuntui missed it?02:40
Seveazyes02:42
Kamping_Kaisergnight all. have fun (as applicable)02:43
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gnomefreak!xchedule03:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xchedule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:54
gnomefreakschedule03:54
gnomefreak!schedule03:54
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases03:54
gnomefreakhmmmmmm03:55
Jucatohmm?03:57
effie_jayxhmmm04:00
mc44mmm bop04:00
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mc44ba ba ba dooo wop04:06
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effie_jayxo lord :S04:07
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mc44hehe04:07
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Seveazdoobiedabadoooooowop04:17
mc44wah wah ooooooh04:19
Hobbseeoh dear....04:19
effie_jayxwhat's with today... :S04:19
SeveazHobbsee, no, that's not the right text04:19
gnomefreakah i figured it out :(04:19
Seveazwhat?04:20
gnomefreakummm /msg ubotu schedule need to add a !04:21
HobbseeSeveaz: :P04:22
effie_jayxSeveaz,  your altern nick reminds me of my workplace :S04:23
effie_jayxSeveaz, www.cevaz.org04:23
effie_jayxhehe04:23
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Seveaz@help schedule04:25
ubotuschedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone04:25
Hobbsee@schedule sydney04:28
ubotuSchedule for Australia/Sydney: 29 Mar 06:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 08:00: Xubuntu | 30 Mar 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02 Apr 06:00: Marketing Team | 03 Apr 01:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 21:00: Community Council04:28
Seveaztime for beer04:29
Seveazbbl04:29
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gnomefreakPriceChild: we are gonna see the masses on feisty complain that beryl/3d accel dont work06:04
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PriceChildwb.... how do you mean?06:05
Seveas@join #ubuntu-au06:05
Seveasnalioth, pokepoke06:05
gnomefreakPriceChild: the new nvidia-glx drivers 97xx dont support gf4 anylonger06:05
gnomefreakthey need to install legacy drivers and than need xgl for beryl06:06
PriceChildsupposedly someone's had a force2 mx working on them which I found hilarious...06:06
gnomefreaksince we dont have the "new" legacy drivers in repos like the beryl repos do06:06
PriceChildanyway... supposedly they're going to fix update-manager / restricted-manager so that people don't get broken on upgrades edgy -> feisty06:06
gnomefreakhmmmm let me ping mvo about his plans06:07
Jucatognomefreak: if you find out anything, please do share. I'm affected by this :)06:08
gnomefreakill let you know :)06:08
Jucatothanks :)06:09
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gnomefreakbut im assuming soon will change06:09
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PriceChild+J pushed the netsplit into -unregged? :(06:20
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Seveas@#$%^&*(06:21
Seveasnalioth, !!!06:21
SeveasI'm mlocking on -J again *NOW*06:21
PriceChildI'll +i in -unregged and kick with messages to rejoin #ubuntu ?06:22
Seveasset +f #ubuntu06:22
PriceChildahh yeah06:22
apokryphosSeveas: please just relax06:26
Seveasapokryphos, no I won't06:26
apokryphosas I've said countless times before, and proved, a netsplit does NOT force anyone anywhere06:26
Seveaswe've ben assured that +J won't fail with netsplits06:26
apokryphosonly a chanserv death does, which happens very rarely.06:26
Seveasand apparently that's not true06:26
apokryphosSeveas: it must've been a server death then, obviously.06:26
apokryphosSeveas: you're completely wrong. I've seen +J work perfectly through countless netsplits06:27
SeveasThen what's the difference with this one?06:28
apokryphosa chanserv death?06:28
apokryphosor a general server one; even if it's temporarily. They're _very_ rare though.06:28
Seveasnot rare enough imho06:28
apokryphosdo you know how many months +J has been there?06:29
Seveasyes06:29
Seveasvery rare is once a year, not once every few months06:30
apokryphosSeveas: we were told from the very beginning that server deaths happen every few months, when BearPerson was explaining +J and netsplits06:30
Seveasthen I must have missed/misunderstood that part or I wouldn't have removed -J from the mlock06:31
apokryphostbh I'm a little tired of this issue re-surfacing; perhaps I should just wait for the next meeting for us to discuss this.06:31
Seveassounds like a plan06:32
Seveaswhen should we have a next meeting06:32
Seveas?06:32
apokryphoswhen's UDS?06:33
apokryphosubotu: uds06:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about uds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:33
Seveas6/11 apr.06:33
apokryphosprobably a little time after that, I guess, so we'll have other stuff to discuss too06:34
Amarantheh?06:36
Amaranthoh, i see06:36
Amaranthi thought you were saying june 11th or november 6th :)06:36
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Tm_Thmm06:41
gnomefreaki dont see this comeing out good06:42
gnomefreakcoming*06:42
gnomefreakanon is at it again i fear :(06:43
PriceChildwhere?06:43
gnomefreak#kubuntu06:43
gnomefreakim waiting and watching06:43
gnomefreakhes already pissed one person off06:43
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goukiSeveas, ping07:41
Seveasgouki, ?07:41
goukiSeveas, can I PVT?07:42
Seveasno need to ask, that's always ok07:42
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Seveas@admin capability add Seveaz admin08:01
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PriceChildHehe what's with "Seveaz"? :)08:03
Seveaswork nick08:03
PriceChildah :)08:03
Seveasgot openvpn working properly, so finally irc at work08:04
apokryphosirssi's only advantage that I'd ever miss: screen.08:05
Seveasindeed08:05
apokryphosjust because of that I tried so hard to get used to it, but alas, I can never feel at home with it08:06
apokryphosSeveas: hm, so you won't be getting any more work done now, I guess? ;)08:07
Seveasheh08:07
Seveasthey'll fire me if that happens08:07
Seveasbut I'm doing some cool projects, so no chance of not doing work08:07
apokryphoswhat kind of stuff do you do?08:08
Seveassystems integration08:08
Seveasall kinds of srvices attached to one authentication database08:08
Seveassamba, imap, several webapps, jabber08:08
apokryphosbig company?08:08
Seveas500 people08:08
Seveasnot too big08:08
apokryphoswow08:08
apokryphosdepends on what you compare it to; exceeding the 'small business' barrier for sure08:09
apokryphosdoes it work exclusively with Linux, or is that just a part of it?08:10
Seveasnext project will be migrating a few hundred windows workstations to Ubuntu08:11
Seveasso I don't want to get fired yet :)08:11
apokryphossweet08:11
apokryphoswas there any main selling point for them?08:12
Seveas"windows sucks"08:12
Seveaswindows support is hard08:12
apokryphosI can't argue with their reasoning 8)08:13
Seveasobviously, neither can I08:13
apokryphos"Use Linux. Because Windows just sucks" :)08:13
maxamillioni think the biggest issue as of late in terms of support is IE7 .... it has caused more problems for my campus than anything I have ever seen08:14
tonyyarussoIE7 broke my Boy Scout Troop's web site08:14
apokryphosI don't think my Uni will be moving to ie7 for quite some time08:14
maxamillionIt renders alot of their current "windows only" software useless becuase it some how breaks the ability to print08:14
BurgworkI got a lovely little present today: an unwanted Windows Vista laptop08:14
tonyyarussoI got a frantic tech support call from the current webmaster - "It broke" 'what'd you change?'  "Nothing"08:14
Seveaswe use firefox/thunerbird :)08:14
apokryphosthey do have firefox and opera hidden in the menus though, interestingly enough08:14
tonyyarussoBurgwork: How is hardware unwanted?  Wipe and install over!08:15
maxamillionapokryphos: yeah, we have firefox and some out dated version of netscape available as alternatives08:15
apokryphosBurgwork: any thoughts on vista?08:15
maxamillionapokryphos: i have a few but i'd rather not spam08:15
Burgworktonyyarusso: I have been told that "the salesmen want a laptop for the road"08:16
apokryphosmaxamillion: tell me in -offtopic then ;)08:16
Burgworkapokryphos: I hate it08:16
tonyyarussoBurgwork: Which presumably would have to work...so you're doing him a favor!08:16
apokryphosBurgwork: good points?08:16
Burgworkwell, I plan to pull a "corporate IT" and yank their admin rights08:17
apokryphosI really need to try vista soon though so I can hate it properly :D08:17
maxamillionapokryphos: lol, meh ... they aren't anything you haven't read on osnews or slashdot already :/08:17
Burgworkgiven I know they want the laptop to play games on08:17
Burgworkapokryphos: the good points are that I can install ubuntu on it08:17
maxamillionapokryphos: i trouble shot a vista install and that's enough use for me to hate it properly ;)08:17
apokryphosyup, that's what I need 8)08:18
ubotuIn ubotu, mergenc said: alsa is set up and seems to be working08:52
apokryphosubotu: bot > mergenc08:52
tonyyarussomaxamillion: s/trouble// earlier and all would have been better08:53
maxamilliontonyyarusso: i'm sorry?09:00
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tallmanhello09:00
tonyyarussomaxamillion: Resulting in:  "I shot a Vista install"09:00
maxamilliontonyyarusso: ahhhh09:00
tallmanhow can I add ubotu to #ubuntu-ru ?09:01
tallmanis it possible? I was sent here to ask this question09:02
tonyyarussoSeveas: ^^09:03
PriceChildtallman, ubotu has heavy load so you'll probably have to ask nalioth for his brother "ubot3"09:03
PriceChildbut he seems to be away atm09:03
apokryphosgrr, ubot3's down as well; first time I've seen that.09:04
tallmanok, thanks =) I see it takes more time to load, then before09:05
apokryphosthere should be a direct ubotu clone coming soon, so stay tuned09:07
tallmanwhat about translations for ubuntu bots?09:07
apokryphoschannel-specific factoids are possible, but not everyone can be editors09:07
apokryphostallman: the factoids are fully available in .db or web-listed format09:08
apokryphosfeel free to use any/all of them09:08
tallmanand how can I use them?09:08
apokryphosyou would have to have your own supybot09:09
tallmanand how do I make up a supybot?09:11
apokryphosinstall 'supybot', and check all the documentation at supybot.om09:12
apokryphos*supybot.com09:12
apokryphosit might be worth discussing this issue though; it would be nice to allow loco teams to have their own factoids; it's technically possible with Encyclopedia either by having a whole different database for the channel, or by just having the same database and channel-specific factoids09:13
apokryphosthe former is probably to be preferred09:13
apokryphossome code would probably have to be added though to make editors for only specific factoid databases09:14
apokryphoshang on until Seveas returns09:14
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tallmanapokryphos: thank you for attention =)09:18
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Seveasit's not in there?!?10:05
AmaranthSeveas: nope10:14
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ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, zany_zebra_ said: ubotu did! he is secretly a comedian name jose rodriguez.11:12
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LjLCamaxtli: hello11:15
CamaxtliHello11:15
CamaxtliI'd like the test now.11:16
LjLsure11:16
LjLjoin ##ljl please11:16
ompaulCamaxtli, join #ljl no11:16
ompaulnow11:16
ompaulhehe11:16
LjLmake it two ##'s11:16
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LjLwell, i can give people the test11:16
LjLbut they need to follow the instructions first :PO11:16
ompaulguess that is true11:17
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LjLCamaxtli: failed ;)11:17
LjLCamaxtli: make sure you reconnect your IRC client, after changing the port11:17
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LjLCamaxtli: looks good now11:19
CamaxtliIndeed11:20
CamaxtliI wonder why I wasn't protected per default.11:20
LjLCamaxtli: well, i haven't yet seen *one* person saying "hey, the latest firmware update fixed it"11:20
LjLCamaxtli, because when Edgy came out, the devs didn't know about this11:20
LjLFeisty's IRC client will come with port 8001 by default11:21
CamaxtliI'm running feisty :p11:21
LjLoh? but you upgraded from edgy, surely?11:21
CamaxtliNope, fresh install11:21
LjLhm, i really did believe 8001 would be default in feisty11:21
CamaxtliThe problem might be that I copied my previous settings :11:22
Camaxtli:)11:22
LjLah, i guess ;)11:22
mc44LjL: file a bug :)11:22
LjLmc44: was quite sure it had already been filed11:23
CamaxtliDon't ctcp version me.11:23
LjLCamaxtli: i didn't11:23
Camaxtli--- Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect11:23
LjLthe Freenode server itself just VERSION'ed me though11:23
LjLyeah11:23
PriceyCamaxtli, was that freenode-connect ?11:23
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LjLthat's not a person11:23
LjLthe server ctcp'd you11:23
LjL(and, i guess, everybody else too)11:23
ompaulCamaxtli, did you fix the error ?11:23
CamaxtliI fixed the error11:23
ompaulCamaxtli, join ##LjL11:24
LjLompaul, you're late, he joined, it's fixed :P11:24
CamaxtliI was already tested :p11:24
ompaulahh11:24
ompaulk11:24
CamaxtliI wonder, /dcc SEND something causes a disconnect?11:24
ompaulCamaxtli, and saying that in the wrong channel gets you klined11:25
LjLCamaxtli: oh, actually it's much simpler than that, you just *type* something like that *anywhere*. but - do it, and you'll be instantly k-lined, so i recommend against it ;)11:25
naliothCamaxtli: yes, there is an ancient (and still unfixed by the manufacturers) bug11:25
CamaxtliIt's a server bug?11:25
LjLno, it's a router bug11:25
naliothCamaxtli: no, it's in YOUR router11:25
ompaulCamaxtli, your router11:26
CamaxtliOh joy11:26
LjLyour router believes something it shouldn't believe11:26
ompaulLjL, well put11:26
LjLlike, that a faked DCC request is a real DCC request11:26
CamaxtliSo basically my router gets conned11:26
LjLyour router tries to be too smart for its own good - you could put it like that11:26
CamaxtliAh11:26
LjLit shouldn't attempt to handle application-level stuff, but it still tries.11:27
LjLand does it wrong. ;)11:27
CamaxtliLets see if Linksys issued as firmware fix for it11:27
ompaulCamaxtli, why bother, your client can deal with it, and maybe you can get dd-wrt to work on the router and have more fun11:28
Camaxtlidd-wrt?11:28
CamaxtliNow I'm interested. :p11:28
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CamaxtliAnd what kind of fun are we talking about?11:29
LjLopen source router firmware - wild guess?11:30
CamaxtliAh11:31
LjLno really it's just a guess11:31
LjLi don't know what it is11:31
naliothCamaxtli: join #dd-wrts11:32
LjLhttp://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F11:32
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MoonwhisperI appear to be afflicted by a bug of some sort11:33
MoonwhisperI've updated my router's firmware and changed ports as directed11:33
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tonyyarussoCamaxtli: DD-WRT is friggin' amazing12:20
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CamaxtliI'll try it when I'm home alone again12:21
CamaxtliI'm reasonably sure that when I try to install it with my family around something will fail.12:22

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