[12:57] <Innatech> Hi! Is there a channel for Ubuntu system/network admins to use for discussion & collaboration?
[12:59] <maxamillion> Innatech: not to my knowledge, could be something to be brought up before the IRC council about creating though
[12:59] <Innatech> How would one go about doing that? Is there a wiki page I should go read?
[01:00] <maxamillion> Innatech: no, i can email the other ops on the mailing list and see if we can get a vote on it
[01:00] <nalioth> would that be #ubuntu-bofh-lair, or something like that?
[01:01] <Innatech> Probably in spirit only. :)
[01:01] <nalioth> just think of a good name for the channel, (try not to confuse anyone into thinking canonical employees are in it) and go for it
[01:02] <nalioth> no email needed
[01:02] <Innatech> But it would be nice to have a place to ask questions about server oriented activities, network management and planning, related discussion, etc.
[01:02] <nalioth> just park the !CoC in the topic and be familiar with all the !guidelines and such
[01:02] <Innatech> Yeah, not a bad idea. Still, it seemed like a decent idea to offer up to the powers that be first.
[01:02] <nalioth> Innatech: go for it
[01:03] <Innatech> mmK.
[01:03] <maxamillion> nalioth: oh ... ok
[01:03] <nalioth> #ubuntu-server-administrators or something?
[01:03] <Innatech> yeah, I think that feels about right.
[01:03] <nalioth> #ubuntu-server-wranglers?
[01:03] <Innatech> hehe.
[01:04] <nalioth> as i said, try not to make a confusing channel name
[01:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> #ubuntu-bofh would be easy to remember. :)
[01:04] <Innatech> maybe #ubuntu-server-admin (to imply both "administrator" and "administration.")
[01:05] <maxamillion> uhmm... this is too cool: http://www.linutop.com/
[01:06] <nalioth> so long as you run it according to the guidelines, you'll be fine
[01:06] <Innatech> I should read them again.
[01:06] <nalioth> !guidelines > Innatech
[01:06] <Innatech> thanks.
[01:06] <gouki> Seems a very good idea. (=
[01:08] <Innatech> Hopefully people will find it useful. I enjoy working with LTS very much.
[01:14] <gouki> maxamillion: That Linutop is pretty cool!
[01:15] <maxamillion> gouki: i thought so :)
[01:16] <Burgwork> there are lots of cool thin clients
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Innatech, what chanel name did you go with?
[01:44] <gouki> #ubuntu-server-admin
[01:52] <Innatech> yep.
[01:53] <Burgwork> ubuntu channels tend to be targets
[01:53] <Burgwork> do you have admins for that channel yet?
[01:53] <Burgwork> if not, I will happily step up
[01:55] <Innatech> Not yet. I'm relatively new to FreeNode, you'd be welcome.
[01:56] <gouki> I'm not part of the IRC Team, but if you need any help I wouldn't mind either.
[02:00] <Innatech> Well, I don't think we need to worry about that unless the Ubuntu team wants to take it over, in which case I'd get out of the way. Heh.
[02:00] <nalioth> you just jumped into "the Ubuntu team", Innatech
[02:00] <nalioth> welcome
[02:02] <Innatech> Thanks!
[02:11] <Tm_T> someone should have backlog about that
[02:12] <democracy> hi, i am being harrased by LjL in #ubuntu+1
[02:12] <LjL> democracy: hi, i am ljl
[02:12] <Tm_T> democracy: good
[02:13] <democracy> LjL: hi, stop harassing me please
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats happening?
[02:13] <PriceChild> democracy, you were offtopic for the channel...
[02:13] <democracy> PriceChild: so was every body else
[02:13] <democracy> PriceChild: he singled me out for no reason
[02:13] <PriceChild> and that makes it right?
[02:13] <Tm_T> oh boy...
[02:13] <PriceChild> democracy, it was a friendly suggestion to get on topic.
[02:13] <LjL> (political troll)  [02:07:52]  <-- god has left this channel (requested by LjL: "You should have known better, bye").      [02:08:14]  <LjL> democracy: want one? :)      [02:08:21]  <democracy> LjL: what?    [02:08:30]  <LjL> democracy: funny way to say "stop the topic"    [02:09:12]  <democracy> LjL: what?    [02:11:55]  <LjL> democracy, nevermind, just remember this channel is for talking about ubuntu and not politics and such. even if replying to someone
[02:13] <LjL> else.
[02:14] <LjL> so, i think this is either a misunderstanding, or you're a troll.
[02:14] <LjL> if one asked me, i'd say you're a troll, but then who am i to say.
[02:14] <democracy> LjL: so everyone who disagrees with you is a troll?
[02:14] <democracy> LjL: what a way to run a channel.
[02:14] <nalioth> 1175040470 19:07 < democracy> god made george bush president. :)                 <<< off topic for #ubuntu-*
[02:14] <LjL> people who employ strawman arguments are trolls.
[02:14] <apokryphos> democracy: please relax. No-one is going to take you seriously if you're going to be abrasive.
[02:14] <LjL> now, stop this discussion. thank you.
[02:15] <Tm_T> (:
[02:15] <Tm_T> kids
[02:15] <PriceChild> Its over
[02:15] <nalioth> whew
[02:15] <PriceChild> note +1 if you didn't see
[02:15] <Tm_T> hey, back to my issue, anyone has backlog about me being removed from here?
[02:15] <LjL> banned from +1 due to insulting me
[02:15] <PriceChild> Tm_T, i'll check
[02:16] <apokryphos> Tm_T: removed?
[02:16] <Tm_T> PriceChild: thanks
[02:16] <nalioth> LjL: no. he's banned for off topicity and non-CoC behaviour
[02:16] <LjL> he's banned for whatever you say he's banned :)
[02:16] <apokryphos> Tm_T: another victim of Hobbsee!
[02:17] <apokryphos> Tm_T: you can check the bantracker: just /msg ubotu btlogin
[02:17] <Tm_T> a'ha
[02:17] <Tm_T> well, anyway, kick me if you want but please DONT remove, I see nothing when that happens
[02:18] <Tm_T> and rather just slap
[02:18] <Tm_T> being removed/kicked isn't funny joke anymore
[02:18] <Tm_T> oh well...
[02:19] <nalioth> Tm_T: talk to hobbsee
[02:19] <Tm_T> I will ] ;=
[02:19] <Tm_T> I understand it well if someone get fun out of it, but I have my past etc (:
[02:20] <LongPointyStick> what's this now?
[02:21] <Tm_T> LongPointyStick: make it short, don't remove, it's not fun
[02:21] <Tm_T> s/make/making
[02:22] <LjL> LongPointyStick: basically, just kick him repeatedly, he's got autorejoin and won't care, but don't remove him :P
[02:22] <Tm_T> LjL: autorejoin? what's that?
[02:23] <LjL> ok, well, just kick mc44 when i'm not then
[02:24] <LongPointyStick> LjL: heh.
[02:27] <LongPointyStick> Tm_T: it's not really nice to kick when you'r not there, anyway
[02:27] <Tm_T> that too
[02:28] <LjL> well, the server will refuse to do that anyway, usually
[02:30] <LjL> geese...
[02:31] <LjL> i knew it was coming, but was busy checking if there were bots in -unregged. gah. should learn to do first things first
[02:32] <LongPointyStick> bot attack?
[02:34] <LjL> big one
[02:34] <Tm_T> LongPointyStick: about kick, atleast I see the reason
[02:35] <LongPointyStick> Tm_T: you shoul dbe able to see the remove reason too,  you know
[02:35] <LjL> folks
[02:35] <Tm_T> LongPointyStick: should, but I dont :)
[02:35] <LjL> unless i'm reading this very wrong, these bots knew how to dodge the throttling
[02:35] <LjL> and they knew it well, even
[02:35] <PriceChild> Isn't there a way you can set them up not to follow redirects?
[02:36] <PriceChild> I'm sure I heard someone mention that a while back.
[02:36] <LjL> PriceChild: yeah, but the point is not that they didn't end up in -unregged
[02:36] <LjL> PriceChild: the point is that there was way more than 5 of them
[02:36] <LjL> (or whatever the limit was)
[02:37] <PriceChild> That's what I mean, setting lots to join, but only those got through and none of the blocked would follow the redirect... or is disabling redirects impossible?
[02:37] <LjL> PriceChild, no, it's quite possible to disable them
[02:37] <LjL> but if it were as you said, *only five bots* would get in
[02:37] <LjL> which is usually the case
[02:37] <LjL> this time, it looks like they were way more than that
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> LongPointyStick, hi
[02:38] <LjL> which means they knew how long to wait, i suppose
[02:38] <LongPointyStick> heya Kamping_Kaiser!
[02:38] <Tm_T> LongPointyStick: anyway, no hard feelings, just got a bit scared :)
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:38] <LjL> yes, indeed, they joined at a distance of some seconds, each group of five
[02:38] <LongPointyStick> Tm_T: heh.  i dont tend to kick now anyway
[04:11] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: he doesn't have any interest in going
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i see that..
[04:15] <Hobbsee> sigh
[04:17] <Pelo> yes ?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Pelo: i'm not trying to abuse people.  i'm trying to get them help in a way that they can actually use it.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> and not disrupt the rest of the channel while doing so
[04:17] <Pelo> I think kicks and bans should be reserved for ppl who are out of line
[04:18] <Hobbsee> people who wont obey instructions kind of do fit that...
[04:18] <Hobbsee> and the reason i used a kick, not remove, was that some poeple arent actually seeing what hte remove message is
[04:18] <Hobbsee> whereas they are seeing a kick one
[04:18] <Hobbsee> you'll note that that was a banforward, not a ban.
[04:18] <Pelo> you need to think in terms of noobs
[04:19] <Hobbsee> and now he's cursing at me.  woo.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i do.  trust me
[04:19] <Pelo> guess why ?
[04:20] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:20] <Pelo> Hobbsee,  I'm not calling you an abusive op,  I just advocating the gentle approach
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: your opinion?
[04:20] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: silly hat you got
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Pelo: that was said to him >4 times.  at which point i gave up
[04:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I would have just outright muted or banned him
[04:21] <Pelo> he couldhave been easily ignored,  he wasn't disruptive
[04:21] <Hobbsee> didnt appear to be wanting to say anything to do with ubuntu, either
[04:21] <Amaranth> Hobbsee was being gentle. :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> oh, he only got told three times where to go.  my bad.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Pelo: usually they would have just gotten banned for talking rubbish after the first op call
[04:22] <Hobbsee> that *was* the gentle, give the benefit of the doubt approach
[04:22] <Hobbsee> we have multiple trolls who will go and behave like that, just to get kicked.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: a guy in ubuntu not making much sense, saying nothing on topic, so i banforwarded him to #ubuntu-tr where he should be able to find what he's looking for, in his native language
[04:24] <Hobbsee> not many people in there though, i note
[04:25] <Tm_T> I see, no harm done IMO
[04:25] <Pelo> the guy was speaking english,  broken as it was  just tought the ban was too much
[04:26] <Pelo> damit
[04:26] <Amaranth> ...
[04:26] <Pelo> just realised I downloaded a french movie with subtitles ,  and I speak french
[04:27] <Amaranth> Uh
[04:27] <Pelo> totaly unrelated,
[04:27] <Pelo> I just can't remove the subs
[04:27] <Amaranth> Take the discussion of illegal activities elsewhere.
[04:27] <Pelo> done
[04:27] <Hobbsee> sigh
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[04:30] <Tm_T> aah, almost messed two nicks, pelo and peno
[05:13] <Amaranth> !ati
[05:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:13] <Amaranth> !ati-#ubuntu-effects
[05:13] <ubotu> Use the "fglrx" driver if you have a Radeon < 9000, X** series or a card with TV-Out capabilities: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - Use the "ati" driver for the Radeon < 8500
[05:14] <Amaranth> !-ati_#ubuntu-effects
[05:14] <Amaranth> !-ati-#ubuntu-effects
[05:14] <ubotu> ati-#ubuntu-effects aliases: fglrx-#ubuntu-effects - added by LjL on 2007-02-02 21:29:16
[05:15] <Amaranth> !no ati-#ubuntu-effects is <reply> Use the "fglrx" driver if you have a Radeon newer than an X800 or want TV-Out capabilities: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - Use the "ati" driver for everything else.
[05:15] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[05:15] <Amaranth> !nvidia
[05:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:15] <Amaranth> !nvidia-#ubuntu-effects
[05:15] <ubotu> Use the NVidia driver and XGL, aiglx is not supported yet. Driver howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:15] <Amaranth> !-nvidia-#ubuntu-effects
[05:15] <ubotu> nvidia-#ubuntu-effects has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-07-03 10:39:58
[05:15] <elkbuntu> heh.. i have no clue what my card is newer or older than
[05:15] <Amaranth> ok that one i can excuse
[05:16] <Amaranth> !forget nvidia-#ubuntu-effects
[05:16] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Amaranth
[05:16] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: better than the old factoid :)
[05:16] <elkbuntu> it's still alien speak to me
[05:17] <Amaranth> these are advanced users
[05:17] <Amaranth> they're trying to setup compiz or beryl on edgy
[05:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> *cough*
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. doesnt folllow
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> *s=l
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> *s-l
[05:18] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: do you have better text? :)
[05:19] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, how about... 'Beryl is cracktastic and will dessicate your eyeballs with extended exposure... RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE'
[05:19] <elkbuntu> :
[05:20] <Amaranth> hey now :)
[05:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> +1 :)
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> Uh oh - it's an all-out sane people vs. beryl devs war!
[05:21] <elkbuntu> my point was... have a guide that lets someone know where their card lies in ATI history
[05:21] <elkbuntu> i've got no clue where my 200m lies
[05:21] <Amaranth> neither do i
[05:21] <Amaranth> but i know 3D is broken on it
[05:22] <elkbuntu> virtually yeah
[05:25] <elkbuntu> it's one of the most common card of off-the-shelf laptops of around the 2yr-present age range too. acer, compaq/hp and toshiba loved them for a while
[05:26] <elkbuntu> not sure if they still do
[05:26] <Amaranth> nah, they ship newer ones now
[05:26] <Amaranth> X1000 and junk, iirc
[05:27] <elkbuntu> which might get to my area in 6mths time
[05:27] <Amaranth> at least your 200m has open source 2D support
[05:27] <Amaranth> i don't think those do
[05:27] <elkbuntu> heh
[05:28] <elkbuntu> anyway, back to my point.. there needs to be a genealogical map of them so people can check, especially when they know what they have now, not what came before or after ;)
[05:29] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: sounds like a fun project for you ;)
[05:29] <elkbuntu> oh hell no
[05:30] <elkbuntu> i've got enough on my plate at the moment
[06:34] <DBO> hi elkbuntu
[06:34] <elkbuntu> hi DBO
[06:34] <DBO> how are you?
[06:34] <elkbuntu> pissed off at the moment
[06:34] <DBO> why pissed off?
[06:35] <elkbuntu> recent events, and people dredging up past events and creating conspiracies around them
[06:35] <DBO> lets write an open letter to the world
[06:35] <DBO> Dear World,
[06:35] <DBO> Quit sucking
[06:35] <DBO> signed,
[06:35] <DBO> DBO
[06:35] <elkbuntu> heh
[06:36] <DBO> actually
[06:36] <DBO> signed,
[06:36] <DBO> Jason
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> A name?  Are we allowed to have those?  Oh wait...
[06:37] <DBO> indeed
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, 'name' is a synonym for 'nick' in RL
[06:49] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Gus said: !anything is quite amusing.
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> Ubyebyetu ?
[07:59] <elkbuntu> ?
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> Apparently Ubugtu has left us, which I wasn't aware of until recently
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> anyway, I'm sleeping, so I'll leave it to you to hunt as much detail as you care for tonight
[08:01] <elkbuntu> ubugtu didnt leave, she married ubotu and took his name :
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> poor ubotu - whats his new name?
[08:03] <elkbuntu> ubotu is now Mr Ubotu and Mrs Ubotu (maiden: Ubugtu)
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, time to be good again ;)
[08:04] <Madpilot> Seveas, Ubugtu has merged with ubotu, evidently?
[08:06] <Seveas> yes
[08:06] <elkbuntu> Seveas, did you announce to the irc list?
[08:07] <Seveas> elkbuntu, not yet, wanted to see first whether it worked good enough to keep this way
[08:07] <Madpilot> @lart the lack of information from Sev
[08:08] <Madpilot> cool, those still work :)
[08:08] <Seveas> of course
[08:08] <Seveas> no functionality was lost :)
[08:09] <Madpilot> @calc 3*5
[08:09] <Madpilot> hmm... @calc used to work
[08:09] <Seveas> @load Math
[08:09] <ubotu> OK
[08:10] <Madpilot> @calc 3*5
[08:10] <ubotu> 15
[08:10] <Madpilot> thnx Seveas
[09:43] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Yeti___ said: !x is not going to help anything.
[10:27] <Madpilot> morning mneptok
[10:30] <mneptok> heya
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> are /ignore lists client or server side?
[10:34] <mneptok> client
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. wonder why xchat cleared it then
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[10:37] <Madpilot> speaking of xchat - how come edgy's version seems to crash everytime I close it?
[10:41] <elkbuntu> well, i may have just successfully got myself outed from the LinuxChix community... we'll find out soon
[10:41] <mc44> o.O
[10:42] <mneptok> elkbuntu: toldya not to wear the strap-on
[10:42] <elkbuntu> someone brought up stephan's posts, and it ended up in a Greeristic feminist debate, so i left the channel saying 'i give up, i did not come for the feminism'. the AussieChix leader emailed me afterwards, so i've just replied in full, fact-by-fact detail what pissed me off
[11:20] <Seveaz> Long live openvpn
[11:20] <Seveaz> Finally IRC from work :)
[11:32] <jenda> neat ;)
[11:36] <elkbuntu> so, the aussiechix leader hasnt replied yet
[11:43] <mneptok> elkbuntu: she's probably busy castrating a man with a burning brassiere
[11:44] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:44] <mc44> 1coc-jbj | mneptok
[11:44] <mc44> doh
[11:44] <mc44> !coc-jbj | mneptok
[11:44] <ubotu> mneptok: a/s/l?
[11:44] <elkbuntu> i'm now intrigued as to how the hell that would go down
[11:44] <mneptok> ageless/neuter/RIGHT THE FUCK BEHIND YOU
[11:48] <jenda> O_O
[11:48] <jenda> !ohmy | mneptok
[11:48] <ubotu> mneptok: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
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[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl @ mneptok
[12:56] <Seveaz> No, that is not bad news :)
[12:56] <Seveaz> It just means that jono had some good points and we'll discuss it at UDS
[12:58] <elkbuntu> remember the list, dear
[12:59] <schwuk> my ubuntu member cloak appears to not be working. I am a member of the irc cloaks group.
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> can we have a bot back in -au?
[02:11] <jenda> whee
[02:11] <jenda> effie_jayx: for one thing, I got it.
[02:11] <jenda> For another thing... I just got a huge, crazy huge box from Canonical.
[02:12] <effie_jayx> jenda,  :O
[02:12] <effie_jayx> box of???
[02:12] <effie_jayx> is the amount right? my coworker was having second thoughts on the crown-dollar convertion rate :S
[02:13] <jenda> effie_jayx: it's alright
[02:13] <jenda> unless of course you sent me more than you wanted to ;)
[02:13] <effie_jayx> I sent 25 dollars
[02:13] <effie_jayx> he said ti was 550 crowns
[02:14] <effie_jayx> *it
[02:14] <jenda> yeap, should be, approx
[02:14] <jenda> in fact, it's a bit less, even.
[02:15] <jenda> 525.902
[02:15] <jenda> he sent me 25 more than you gave him...
[02:15] <jenda> should I send him a few stickers? ;)
[02:18] <effie_jayx> nah... keep the change  ;)
[02:18] <effie_jayx> hehe
[02:20] <jenda> hehe :)
[02:20] <jenda> thanks.
[02:20] <effie_jayx> jenda,  I'm just amazed at how lucky I am... what are the chances of working with a guy that comes from your country... and think he was going to be the liason for the money transfer :D
[02:20] <jenda> indeed :)
[02:22] <jenda> effie_jayx: the production cost of the posters was 357.60 CZK, the shipping 170 = 527.60
[02:22] <jenda> effie_jayx: which means you donated over a dollar towards the cause ;)
[02:24] <effie_jayx> it's not like you can buy a coke then :S
[02:24] <elkbuntu> in .cz... it could be possible
[02:24] <effie_jayx> jenda,  how much is a coke there?
[02:25] <jenda> hmm
[02:25] <jenda> you won't buy a 2 liter bottle for 22 crowns, but prollly a glass.
[02:25] <jenda> You could buy two beers, though :)
[02:25] <jenda> and if it was my money, trust me, I would ;)
[02:25] <elkbuntu> you dont have cans or smaller bottles?
[02:26] <jenda> of course
[02:26] <jenda> the smaller bottles tend to be ridiculously expensive (usually 18 for 0.5l, while 28 is the price for 2l)
[02:27] <effie_jayx> funny how beer is always cheaper
[02:27] <effie_jayx> in my country beer is 3 for a dollar
[02:27] <jenda> This is the first time I got CD stands from shipit... neat ;)
[02:27] <jenda> effie_jayx: wooow, I'm moving.
[02:27] <jenda> :)
[02:28] <jenda> Venezuela?
[02:28] <effie_jayx> jenda,  probably your compatriota is here
[02:28] <effie_jayx> because of that same reason ... :D
[02:28] <jenda> hmm ;)
[02:28] <effie_jayx> jenda,  Venezuela... Maracaibo to be exact...
[02:29] <jenda> ok, ok, I could name your street and number, to be exact, but won't ;)
[02:30] <effie_jayx> hehe
[02:30] <effie_jayx> jenda,  it is a nice country. :D
[02:30] <jenda> Is it inappropriate to offer the shipit team a few stickers, just because they make me so happy? :)
[02:31] <elkbuntu> what did they make you happy with?
[02:31] <Seveaz> cds?
[02:31] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  you are breaking the CoC v2
[02:31] <effie_jayx> hehe
[02:31] <jenda> apart from the Edgy CDs they sent, the CD stands...
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Seveas, can we have a bot in -au?
[02:31] <jenda> ...and that they will send me a conference pack eventually.
[02:31] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  you summoned?
[02:31] <Seveaz> Hobbsee, do you read minds?
[02:31] <jenda> wow
[02:32] <elkbuntu> she must
[02:32] <Seveaz> * elkbuntu wonders where hobbsee is :-/ <-- a minute ago....
[02:32] <Seveaz> @join #ubuntu-au
[02:32] <Seveaz> @login
[02:32] <Seveaz> @join #ubuntu-au
[02:32] <Seveaz> meh, can't do it from this nick
[02:32] <jenda> Seveaz: how about we burn elkbuntu at a stake?
[02:32] <elkbuntu> :(
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[02:32] <Seveaz> Kamping_Kaiser, file a bug on ubuntu-bots and I'll do it when home
[02:32] <elkbuntu> i will go cry now
[02:32] <jenda> that was definitely dark magic...
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> Seveas, ok
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Seveaz: heh, of course.
[02:36] <effie_jayx> * effie_jayx draws a lightsaber to defend elkbuntu  <--------- gee how geeky did that sound ?
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> *Real Men (TM)
[02:37] <elkbuntu> hehe, quite geeky, my knight in shimmery lycra :
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> >.<
[02:38] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  ok... me in spandex ??? that tops jenda  topless
[02:38] <effie_jayx> by farrr
[02:38] <jenda> :-D
[02:39] <elkbuntu> jenda topless? where?
[02:39] <jenda> muhehe
[02:40] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, that was yesterday...
[02:40] <elkbuntu> aww
[02:40] <elkbuntu> i missed it?
[02:42] <Seveaz> yes
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnight all. have fun (as applicable)
[03:54] <gnomefreak> !xchedule
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xchedule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <gnomefreak> schedule
[03:54] <gnomefreak> !schedule
[03:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:55] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[03:57] <Jucato> hmm?
[04:00] <effie_jayx> hmmm
[04:00] <mc44> mmm bop
[04:06] <mc44> ba ba ba dooo wop
[04:07] <effie_jayx> o lord :S
[04:07] <mc44> hehe
[04:17] <Seveaz> doobiedabadoooooowop
[04:19] <mc44> wah wah ooooooh
[04:19] <Hobbsee> oh dear....
[04:19] <effie_jayx> what's with today... :S
[04:19] <Seveaz> Hobbsee, no, that's not the right text
[04:19] <gnomefreak> ah i figured it out :(
[04:20] <Seveaz> what?
[04:21] <gnomefreak> ummm /msg ubotu schedule need to add a !
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Seveaz: :P
[04:23] <effie_jayx> Seveaz,  your altern nick reminds me of my workplace :S
[04:23] <effie_jayx> Seveaz, www.cevaz.org
[04:23] <effie_jayx> hehe
[04:25] <Seveaz> @help schedule
[04:25] <ubotu> schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
[04:28] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[04:28] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 29 Mar 06:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 08:00: Xubuntu | 30 Mar 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 02 Apr 06:00: Marketing Team | 03 Apr 01:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 21:00: Community Council
[04:29] <Seveaz> time for beer
[04:29] <Seveaz> bbl
[06:04] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: we are gonna see the masses on feisty complain that beryl/3d accel dont work
[06:05] <PriceChild> wb.... how do you mean?
[06:05] <Seveas> @join #ubuntu-au
[06:05] <Seveas> nalioth, pokepoke
[06:05] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: the new nvidia-glx drivers 97xx dont support gf4 anylonger
[06:06] <gnomefreak> they need to install legacy drivers and than need xgl for beryl
[06:06] <PriceChild> supposedly someone's had a force2 mx working on them which I found hilarious...
[06:06] <gnomefreak> since we dont have the "new" legacy drivers in repos like the beryl repos do
[06:06] <PriceChild> anyway... supposedly they're going to fix update-manager / restricted-manager so that people don't get broken on upgrades edgy -> feisty
[06:07] <gnomefreak> hmmmm let me ping mvo about his plans
[06:08] <Jucato> gnomefreak: if you find out anything, please do share. I'm affected by this :)
[06:08] <gnomefreak> ill let you know :)
[06:09] <Jucato> thanks :)
[06:09] <gnomefreak> but im assuming soon will change
[06:20] <PriceChild> +J pushed the netsplit into -unregged? :(
[06:21] <Seveas> @#$%^&*(
[06:21] <Seveas> nalioth, !!!
[06:21] <Seveas> I'm mlocking on -J again *NOW*
[06:22] <PriceChild> I'll +i in -unregged and kick with messages to rejoin #ubuntu ?
[06:22] <Seveas> set +f #ubuntu
[06:22] <PriceChild> ahh yeah
[06:26] <apokryphos> Seveas: please just relax
[06:26] <Seveas> apokryphos, no I won't
[06:26] <apokryphos> as I've said countless times before, and proved, a netsplit does NOT force anyone anywhere
[06:26] <Seveas> we've ben assured that +J won't fail with netsplits
[06:26] <apokryphos> only a chanserv death does, which happens very rarely.
[06:26] <Seveas> and apparently that's not true
[06:26] <apokryphos> Seveas: it must've been a server death then, obviously.
[06:27] <apokryphos> Seveas: you're completely wrong. I've seen +J work perfectly through countless netsplits
[06:28] <Seveas> Then what's the difference with this one?
[06:28] <apokryphos> a chanserv death?
[06:28] <apokryphos> or a general server one; even if it's temporarily. They're _very_ rare though.
[06:28] <Seveas> not rare enough imho
[06:29] <apokryphos> do you know how many months +J has been there?
[06:29] <Seveas> yes
[06:30] <Seveas> very rare is once a year, not once every few months
[06:30] <apokryphos> Seveas: we were told from the very beginning that server deaths happen every few months, when BearPerson was explaining +J and netsplits
[06:31] <Seveas> then I must have missed/misunderstood that part or I wouldn't have removed -J from the mlock
[06:31] <apokryphos> tbh I'm a little tired of this issue re-surfacing; perhaps I should just wait for the next meeting for us to discuss this.
[06:32] <Seveas> sounds like a plan
[06:32] <Seveas> when should we have a next meeting
[06:32] <Seveas> ?
[06:33] <apokryphos> when's UDS?
[06:33] <apokryphos> ubotu: uds
[06:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:33] <Seveas> 6/11 apr.
[06:34] <apokryphos> probably a little time after that, I guess, so we'll have other stuff to discuss too
[06:36] <Amaranth> eh?
[06:36] <Amaranth> oh, i see
[06:36] <Amaranth> i thought you were saying june 11th or november 6th :)
[06:41] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:42] <gnomefreak> i dont see this comeing out good
[06:42] <gnomefreak> coming*
[06:43] <gnomefreak> anon is at it again i fear :(
[06:43] <PriceChild> where?
[06:43] <gnomefreak> #kubuntu
[06:43] <gnomefreak> im waiting and watching
[06:43] <gnomefreak> hes already pissed one person off
[07:11] <Seveas> @config plugins.LpLugin.UserList
[07:12] <Seveas> @config plugins.LpLogin.UserList
[07:12] <ubotu> /home/dennis/ubotu/conf/ubuntuops.conf
[07:12] <Seveas> @reload LpLogin
[07:12] <ubotu> OK
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> ?
[07:12] <Seveas> @list User
[07:12] <ubotu> capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
[07:12] <Seveas> @admin
[07:12] <Seveas> @list admin
[07:12] <ubotu> capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
[07:13] <Seveas> @capability add
[07:13] <Seveas> @admin capability add
[07:13] <ubotu> (admin capability add <name|hostmask> <capability>) -- Gives the user specified by <name> (or the user to whom <hostmask> currently maps) the specified capability <capability>
[07:13] <Seveas> @admin capability add Seveaz owner
[07:41] <gouki> Seveas, ping
[07:41] <Seveas> gouki, ?
[07:42] <gouki> Seveas, can I PVT?
[07:42] <Seveas> no need to ask, that's always ok
[07:45] <mc44> :)
[08:01] <Seveas> @admin capability add Seveaz admin
[08:01] <Seveas> @part
[08:03] <PriceChild> Hehe what's with "Seveaz"? :)
[08:03] <Seveas> work nick
[08:03] <PriceChild> ah :)
[08:04] <Seveas> got openvpn working properly, so finally irc at work
[08:05] <apokryphos> irssi's only advantage that I'd ever miss: screen.
[08:05] <Seveas> indeed
[08:06] <apokryphos> just because of that I tried so hard to get used to it, but alas, I can never feel at home with it
[08:07] <apokryphos> Seveas: hm, so you won't be getting any more work done now, I guess? ;)
[08:07] <Seveas> heh
[08:07] <Seveas> they'll fire me if that happens
[08:07] <Seveas> but I'm doing some cool projects, so no chance of not doing work
[08:08] <apokryphos> what kind of stuff do you do?
[08:08] <Seveas> systems integration
[08:08] <Seveas> all kinds of srvices attached to one authentication database
[08:08] <Seveas> samba, imap, several webapps, jabber
[08:08] <apokryphos> big company?
[08:08] <Seveas> 500 people
[08:08] <Seveas> not too big
[08:08] <apokryphos> wow
[08:09] <apokryphos> depends on what you compare it to; exceeding the 'small business' barrier for sure
[08:10] <apokryphos> does it work exclusively with Linux, or is that just a part of it?
[08:11] <Seveas> next project will be migrating a few hundred windows workstations to Ubuntu
[08:11] <Seveas> so I don't want to get fired yet :)
[08:11] <apokryphos> sweet
[08:12] <apokryphos> was there any main selling point for them?
[08:12] <Seveas> "windows sucks"
[08:12] <Seveas> windows support is hard
[08:13] <apokryphos> I can't argue with their reasoning 8)
[08:13] <Seveas> obviously, neither can I
[08:13] <apokryphos> "Use Linux. Because Windows just sucks" :)
[08:14] <maxamillion> i think the biggest issue as of late in terms of support is IE7 .... it has caused more problems for my campus than anything I have ever seen
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> IE7 broke my Boy Scout Troop's web site
[08:14] <apokryphos> I don't think my Uni will be moving to ie7 for quite some time
[08:14] <maxamillion> It renders alot of their current "windows only" software useless becuase it some how breaks the ability to print
[08:14] <Burgwork> I got a lovely little present today: an unwanted Windows Vista laptop
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> I got a frantic tech support call from the current webmaster - "It broke" 'what'd you change?'  "Nothing"
[08:14] <Seveas> we use firefox/thunerbird :)
[08:14] <apokryphos> they do have firefox and opera hidden in the menus though, interestingly enough
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: How is hardware unwanted?  Wipe and install over!
[08:15] <maxamillion> apokryphos: yeah, we have firefox and some out dated version of netscape available as alternatives
[08:15] <apokryphos> Burgwork: any thoughts on vista?
[08:15] <maxamillion> apokryphos: i have a few but i'd rather not spam
[08:16] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: I have been told that "the salesmen want a laptop for the road"
[08:16] <apokryphos> maxamillion: tell me in -offtopic then ;)
[08:16] <Burgwork> apokryphos: I hate it
[08:16] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Which presumably would have to work...so you're doing him a favor!
[08:16] <apokryphos> Burgwork: good points?
[08:17] <Burgwork> well, I plan to pull a "corporate IT" and yank their admin rights
[08:17] <apokryphos> I really need to try vista soon though so I can hate it properly :D
[08:17] <maxamillion> apokryphos: lol, meh ... they aren't anything you haven't read on osnews or slashdot already :/
[08:17] <Burgwork> given I know they want the laptop to play games on
[08:17] <Burgwork> apokryphos: the good points are that I can install ubuntu on it
[08:17] <maxamillion> apokryphos: i trouble shot a vista install and that's enough use for me to hate it properly ;)
[08:18] <apokryphos> yup, that's what I need 8)
[08:52] <ubotu> In ubotu, mergenc said: alsa is set up and seems to be working
[08:52] <apokryphos> ubotu: bot > mergenc
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: s/trouble// earlier and all would have been better
[09:00] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: i'm sorry?
[09:00] <tallman> hello
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: Resulting in:  "I shot a Vista install"
[09:00] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: ahhhh
[09:01] <tallman> how can I add ubotu to #ubuntu-ru ?
[09:02] <tallman> is it possible? I was sent here to ask this question
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: ^^
[09:03] <PriceChild> tallman, ubotu has heavy load so you'll probably have to ask nalioth for his brother "ubot3"
[09:03] <PriceChild> but he seems to be away atm
[09:04] <apokryphos> grr, ubot3's down as well; first time I've seen that.
[09:05] <tallman> ok, thanks =) I see it takes more time to load, then before
[09:07] <apokryphos> there should be a direct ubotu clone coming soon, so stay tuned
[09:07] <tallman> what about translations for ubuntu bots?
[09:07] <apokryphos> channel-specific factoids are possible, but not everyone can be editors
[09:08] <apokryphos> tallman: the factoids are fully available in .db or web-listed format
[09:08] <apokryphos> feel free to use any/all of them
[09:08] <tallman> and how can I use them?
[09:09] <apokryphos> you would have to have your own supybot
[09:11] <tallman> and how do I make up a supybot?
[09:12] <apokryphos> install 'supybot', and check all the documentation at supybot.om
[09:12] <apokryphos> *supybot.com
[09:13] <apokryphos> it might be worth discussing this issue though; it would be nice to allow loco teams to have their own factoids; it's technically possible with Encyclopedia either by having a whole different database for the channel, or by just having the same database and channel-specific factoids
[09:13] <apokryphos> the former is probably to be preferred
[09:14] <apokryphos> some code would probably have to be added though to make editors for only specific factoid databases
[09:14] <apokryphos> hang on until Seveas returns
[09:18] <tallman> apokryphos: thank you for attention =)
[09:57] <Amaranth> @join #ubuntu-kernel
[10:05] <Seveas> it's not in there?!?
[10:14] <Amaranth> Seveas: nope
[11:12] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, zany_zebra_ said: ubotu did! he is secretly a comedian name jose rodriguez.
[11:15] <LjL> Camaxtli: hello
[11:15] <Camaxtli> Hello
[11:16] <Camaxtli> I'd like the test now.
[11:16] <LjL> sure
[11:16] <LjL> join ##ljl please
[11:16] <ompaul> Camaxtli, join #ljl no
[11:16] <ompaul> now
[11:16] <ompaul> hehe
[11:16] <LjL> make it two ##'s
[11:16] <LjL> well, i can give people the test
[11:16] <LjL> but they need to follow the instructions first :PO
[11:17] <ompaul> guess that is true
[11:17] <LjL> Camaxtli: failed ;)
[11:17] <LjL> Camaxtli: make sure you reconnect your IRC client, after changing the port
[11:19] <LjL> Camaxtli: looks good now
[11:20] <Camaxtli> Indeed
[11:20] <Camaxtli> I wonder why I wasn't protected per default.
[11:20] <LjL> Camaxtli: well, i haven't yet seen *one* person saying "hey, the latest firmware update fixed it"
[11:20] <LjL> Camaxtli, because when Edgy came out, the devs didn't know about this
[11:21] <LjL> Feisty's IRC client will come with port 8001 by default
[11:21] <Camaxtli> I'm running feisty :p
[11:21] <LjL> oh? but you upgraded from edgy, surely?
[11:21] <Camaxtli> Nope, fresh install
[11:21] <LjL> hm, i really did believe 8001 would be default in feisty
[11:22] <Camaxtli> The problem might be that I copied my previous settings :
[11:22] <Camaxtli> :)
[11:22] <LjL> ah, i guess ;)
[11:22] <mc44> LjL: file a bug :)
[11:23] <LjL> mc44: was quite sure it had already been filed
[11:23] <Camaxtli> Don't ctcp version me.
[11:23] <LjL> Camaxtli: i didn't
[11:23] <Camaxtli> --- Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect
[11:23] <LjL> the Freenode server itself just VERSION'ed me though
[11:23] <LjL> yeah
[11:23] <Pricey> Camaxtli, was that freenode-connect ?
[11:23] <LjL> that's not a person
[11:23] <LjL> the server ctcp'd you
[11:23] <LjL> (and, i guess, everybody else too)
[11:23] <ompaul> Camaxtli, did you fix the error ?
[11:23] <Camaxtli> I fixed the error
[11:24] <ompaul> Camaxtli, join ##LjL
[11:24] <LjL> ompaul, you're late, he joined, it's fixed :P
[11:24] <Camaxtli> I was already tested :p
[11:24] <ompaul> ahh
[11:24] <ompaul> k
[11:24] <Camaxtli> I wonder, /dcc SEND something causes a disconnect?
[11:25] <ompaul> Camaxtli, and saying that in the wrong channel gets you klined
[11:25] <LjL> Camaxtli: oh, actually it's much simpler than that, you just *type* something like that *anywhere*. but - do it, and you'll be instantly k-lined, so i recommend against it ;)
[11:25] <nalioth> Camaxtli: yes, there is an ancient (and still unfixed by the manufacturers) bug
[11:25] <Camaxtli> It's a server bug?
[11:25] <LjL> no, it's a router bug
[11:25] <nalioth> Camaxtli: no, it's in YOUR router
[11:26] <ompaul> Camaxtli, your router
[11:26] <Camaxtli> Oh joy
[11:26] <LjL> your router believes something it shouldn't believe
[11:26] <ompaul> LjL, well put
[11:26] <LjL> like, that a faked DCC request is a real DCC request
[11:26] <Camaxtli> So basically my router gets conned
[11:26] <LjL> your router tries to be too smart for its own good - you could put it like that
[11:26] <Camaxtli> Ah
[11:27] <LjL> it shouldn't attempt to handle application-level stuff, but it still tries.
[11:27] <LjL> and does it wrong. ;)
[11:27] <Camaxtli> Lets see if Linksys issued as firmware fix for it
[11:28] <ompaul> Camaxtli, why bother, your client can deal with it, and maybe you can get dd-wrt to work on the router and have more fun
[11:28] <Camaxtli> dd-wrt?
[11:28] <Camaxtli> Now I'm interested. :p
[11:29] <Camaxtli> And what kind of fun are we talking about?
[11:30] <LjL> open source router firmware - wild guess?
[11:31] <Camaxtli> Ah
[11:31] <LjL> no really it's just a guess
[11:31] <LjL> i don't know what it is
[11:32] <nalioth> Camaxtli: join #dd-wrts
[11:32] <LjL> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F
[11:33] <Moonwhisper> I appear to be afflicted by a bug of some sort
[11:33] <Moonwhisper> I've updated my router's firmware and changed ports as directed
[12:20] <tonyyarusso> Camaxtli: DD-WRT is friggin' amazing
[12:21] <Camaxtli> I'll try it when I'm home alone again
[12:22] <Camaxtli> I'm reasonably sure that when I try to install it with my family around something will fail.