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[04:37] <foo> I am helping someone install ubuntu on a Dell PowerEdge SC1435 (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pedge_sc1435) - the system has a SAS 5iR RAID controller. During ubuntu, on the partition screen... it hangs. We tried this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1575949&postcount=20 .. any idea why the hang? ALT+F2 didn't show any verbosity or anything, hmm. 
[04:48] <foo> Would you guys recommend ubuntu 6.06 LTS AMD64 or x86? I've been told AMD64 isn't too stable... thoughts? 
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[07:02] <shawarma> foo: amd64 is stable. The only issue with amd64 I'm familiar with is stuff like plugins for firefox, but that's hardly relevant on servers. :-)
[07:03] <foo> shawarma: ahh, yeah. :)
[07:03] <foo> shawarma: thank you :)
[07:03] <shawarma> foo: Where does the boot hang?
[07:04] <foo> shawarma: Right before the partitioner, after he presses enter on the web proxy set up
[07:05] <foo> Someone else suggested to boot with the ubuntu live cd and do the partitioning prior to the install, which isn't a bad idea
[07:05] <foo> Any two cents appreciated :)
[07:22] <shawarma> I'm sorry, I've got to run. I'll be around later, though.
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[07:50] <foo> shawarma: alrighty, hit me up if you have some input - thanks
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[09:20] <Burgundavia> ivoks: it was you who was discussing network management tools ala zabbix the other day, no?
[09:20] <ivoks> yes
[09:21] <Burgundavia> you looked into that python based one, no
[09:21] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:22] <ivoks> hm.. zenoss?
[09:22] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:22] <ivoks> zenoss requests NOPASSWD in sudoers for /bin/kill
[09:22] <Burgundavia> ya
[09:23] <ivoks> i've asked on devel list about this, but no one responded yet
[09:23] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:23] <ivoks> as soon as i catch some free time, i'll investigate why is this needed
[09:23] <ivoks> i guess there are some processes that run as zenoss user
[09:23] <ivoks> which try to kill processes runed by root
[09:23] <ivoks> this is someting i dislike
[09:24] <ivoks> if that's the case, i'll work on a workaround
[09:24] <foo> Strange
[09:24] <foo> I run nagios now..
[09:24] <foo> I've seen zenoss (and have a zenoss) hat at the socal linux expo... and was going to migrate my stuff to it 
[09:24] <Burgundavia> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/search?q=sudoers&wiki=on&changeset=on&ticket=on
[09:26] <Burgundavia> ivoks: where is the link to the devel list?
[09:26] <ivoks> they got forum :)
[09:26] <Burgundavia> are their any other gotchas in the code that we have picked up?
[09:26] <ivoks> i didn't look at it yet
[09:27] <Burgundavia> ah, I see
[09:27] <ivoks> i started to read INSTALL and saw this
[09:27] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:27] <Burgundavia> I am going to write the asterisk MIR now
[09:27] <ivoks> http://community.zenoss.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=8720860bbc055abbbdb95b4b31429498
[09:27] <ivoks> great
[09:27] <Burgundavia> yep, got it
[09:32] <Burgundavia> wow, the zaptel installation method is hideously ugly
[09:48] <foo> Burgundavia: Setting up asterisk or something? 
[09:48] <Burgundavia> I already have an asterisk box at work
[09:53] <Burgundavia> it has uptime measured in hours
[09:53] <Burgundavia> and it is built on 2 years old cvs asterisk code
[09:53] <Burgundavia> on White Box EL 3
[09:53] <Burgundavia> but apparently my gf is nagging me to come to bed
[09:53] <ivoks> Burg. have a good night :)
[09:53] <foo> haha
[09:53] <foo> women. *shrug* 
[09:53] <foo> :)
[09:53] <foo> ivoks: Heya, you work with dell servers by any chance?
[09:53] <ivoks> couple of them, yes
[09:53] <ivoks> 1600sc and 1500sc
[09:53] <ivoks> that reminded me, i should put back cover on one of them :D
[09:53] <foo> haha!
[09:53] <foo> Sweet!
[09:55] <foo> I'm dealing with the 1435C. trying to help someone get ubuntu on it
[09:56] <foo> Haven't had luck getting RAID0 and RAID1 to work
[09:56] <foo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1575949&postcount=20
[09:56] <foo> Going to give that a shot
[09:56] <foo> Any two cents ivoks ?
[10:03] <ivoks> sorry, wasn't here
[10:03] <ivoks> let me see...
[10:04] <ivoks> what raid controler is that?
[10:04] <foo> SAS 5iR
[10:04] <foo> I know that's not what the article shows that I linked, but a friend (lullabud) said it might do the trick
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[10:05] <ivoks> ok, that's a hardware raid
[10:05] <ivoks> and megaraid_sas isn't included in initrd? hm...
[10:06] <foo> yu
[10:06] <foo> p
[10:06] <ivoks> but this page is for software raid
[10:06] <foo> ahh
[10:06] <foo> Hmm, we were just going to try it, I had  no idea
[10:07] <ivoks> i.e. if you have hardware raid
[10:07] <foo> I had them try with ubuntu 6.06 and guy said it hung when he got to the partitions part of the install 
[10:07] <maswan> a real raid doesn't need any support, it should just appear as normal scsi devices
[10:07] <ivoks> linux will see only one disk (assuming you set up raid before installing)
[10:07] <foo> maswan: agreed.
[10:07] <ivoks> and one can't expirience thise problems
[10:07] <foo> ivoks: ahh
[10:07] <ivoks> these
[10:07] <foo> Alright.. so, I probably need to tell the guy to set up RAID in the RAID BIOS?
[10:08] <foo> er, I shouldn't assume he did that, I did
[10:08] <ivoks> if you can't set it up in bios, than it's software raid
[10:08] <ivoks> right
[10:08] <ivoks> i preferre hw raid, but there are some that preferre linux software raid
[10:08] <maswan> if you want to set it up from inside the OS, it depends on alot of factor
[10:08] <foo> Should SAS 5iR be hardware RAID?
[10:08] <foo> I would prefer hw raid
[10:09] <maswan> probably, yes
[10:09] <ivoks> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2006-October/070929.html
[10:09] <ivoks> yes, it is
[10:09] <foo> I see
[10:09] <maswan> handling them from inside the OS usually depends on you finding a management tool and hope it runs on your distribution (and not just red hat 7.2)
[10:10] <foo> hah, I see
[10:10] <foo> We're going with ubuntu
[10:10] <ivoks> good choice :D
[10:10] <foo> Eh, I've gotten so much crap for using ubuntu. 
[10:10] <foo> I'm all for giving things a chance...
[10:10] <maswan> It shouldn't be a problem to set it up in bios, you probably want to look for the management tool anyway though
[10:10] <foo> And ubuntus support and everything is just great
[10:10] <maswan> but that's a later problem, not for install
[10:10] <foo> The common answer I get is "it's a desktop distro"
[10:10] <foo> eh, I take it as ignorance and move on.
[10:11] <foo> I see
[10:11] <ivoks> when i installed ubuntu on dells
[10:11] <ivoks> i got setup CD with server
[10:11] <ivoks> whit it i've created raid
[10:11] <ivoks> and then rebooted and started installer
[10:11] <ivoks> iirc, it didn't have raid bios :/
[10:11] <foo> ahh
[10:12] <foo> This should have a raid bios
[10:12] <ivoks> IIRC!
[10:12] <foo> I'm just telling someone, I hope it does
[10:13] <foo> ivoks: You run ubuntu on those other SC servers?
[10:13] <ivoks> yes
[10:13] <ivoks> i run ubuntu only
[10:13] <ivoks> :)
[10:13] <foo> nice. What are your primary reasons for running ubuntu?
[10:13] <foo> (I will use these when I talk to folks as well)
[10:13] <ivoks> personal reasons...
[10:14] <ivoks> i worked with debian for 8 years
[10:14] <foo> I love debian.
[10:14] <ivoks> i do have RHCE, but i find ubuntu to be superior in things i do
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[10:14] <foo> hehe
[10:14] <foo> I see
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[10:14] <ivoks> for example...
[10:14] <ivoks> rhel 4 has very old samba
[10:15] <ivoks> this samba doesn't work with some versions of MacOSX
[10:15] <maswan> ubuntu on the server is like debian, except it "just works", and we have a bit better experience in speedy security upgrades
[10:15] <maswan> (speaking as to why we use it at work)
[10:15] <[miles] > mornign guys
[10:15] <ivoks> foo: if you need a reason:
[10:15] <[miles] > erm, question:
[10:15] <ivoks> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+redhat
[10:15] <ivoks> :)
[10:16] <maswan> oh, and a resonable upgrade schedule, so that when you feel like doing a site upgrade, there is always something _resonably_ fresh around
[10:16] <[miles] > I've just put in a ubuntu server 6.06, and it's fine...
[10:16] <ivoks> right
[10:16] <[miles] > but, I have a fwbuilder script that I execute on boot, and it's churning all the logs to the terminal
[10:16] <[miles] > is there no syslog installed by default?
[10:16] <ivoks> i could go with newer apache, php etc on redhat
[10:16] <ivoks> but i loose support then
[10:16] <ivoks> and i'm on my own...
[10:16] <ivoks> with ubuntu i'm safer
[10:17] <ivoks> i can go with dapper or some newer version for 'edgy' setups
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[10:17] <foo> ivoks: thank you! Hm, where are you located? If you don't mind me asking
[10:17] <ivoks> foo: zagreb, croatia
[10:17] <ivoks> foo: with clients even outside croatia :)
[10:17] <foo> hm, never heard of .. either of those... hehe, anyways, cool! Thanks, I'll hang around here.
[10:18] <[miles] > ivoks: you know nxor?
[10:18] <ivoks> [miles] : no
[10:18] <ivoks> [miles] : maybe, but not by nickname
[10:18] <[miles] > he's a SUSE guy
[10:18] <[miles] > Daniel Radic
[10:18] <ivoks> no, i'm afraid not...
[10:19] <[miles] > http://smeet.zeilers.net/2006/attendees
[10:19] <[miles] > right... coffee time
[10:19] <[miles] > bbiab
[10:19] <ivoks> [miles] : yes, there is syslog
[10:19] <ivoks> [miles] : you should set it up to not display iptables messages to console
[10:19] <[miles] > ivoks: weird, cos on the other box, it's not doing it
[10:19] <[miles] > just the UBS 6.06 one
[10:20] <ivoks> well, i can't check it out now, cause i have to go...
[10:20] <ivoks> bbl
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[11:03] <[miles] > yo
[11:03] <lionel> hey [miles] 
[11:03] <[miles] > mmm syslog was installed.. how strange... I have no idea why the firewall logs are getting outputed to the console :-|
[11:04] <[miles] > bonjour lionel
[11:05] <[miles] > lionel: do you have any idea as to why this might be happening please?
[11:08] <lionel> firewall usually log on console and syslog
[11:09] <lionel> iirc it is log priority related
[11:10] <lionel> dmesg -n 1 should prevent this
[11:10] <[miles] > sorry back now
[11:11] <[miles] > it's a fwbuilder script
[11:12] <[miles] > lionel: is there a configuration file where I should specify the -n 1
[11:12] <[miles] > ?
[11:12] <lionel> I don't know :-(
[11:13] <[miles] > lionel: ok, np, I'll google around, for sure you've hit the nail on the head tho
[11:13] <lionel> let me know if you find a solution :)
[11:13] <[miles] > nod, thanks dude
[11:13] <[miles] > I will
[11:15] <[miles] > I can't check it until nearly 14:00
[11:15] <[miles] > damn it
[11:15] <[miles] > cos it's the firewall for the internel network... got 2 x boxes... can't swap'em around
[11:45] <[miles] > lionel: FYI, I just made some modifications, simply adding /bin/dmesg -n 1 did work, many thanks for that info dude
[11:45] <[miles] > I placed it in the .fw script btw
[11:45] <lionel> hehe ;)
[11:45] <lionel> that's a solution
[11:45] <[miles] > seems thats what everyone does
[11:46] <[miles] > lionel: UBS 6.06 makes a nice firewall...
[11:46] <[miles] > lionel: bare min... superb
[11:46] <lionel> UBS ?
[11:46] <[miles] > lionel: may I ask you, your relations with ubuntu are at a personal level or business?
[11:46] <[miles] > Ubuntu Server
[11:46] <lionel> both
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[11:46] <[miles] > lol
[11:47] <lionel> I have about 20 servers here under Ubuntu
[11:47] <lionel> (here = at work)
[11:48] <[miles] > ah ok
[11:48] <lionel> most of my servers in fact (some still in Debian and very few run Windows)
[11:48] <[miles] > lionel: may I pm you?
[11:48] <lionel> sure !
[12:17] <foo> [miles] : Would you happen to run the servers with ubuntu on dell hardware?
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[12:19] <[miles] > yes
[12:20] <[miles] > foo: our hwp is dell
[12:20] <foo> sweet, which ones?
[12:20] <[miles] > poweredge
[12:23] <ivoks> foo: no luck with dell?
[12:28] <lionel> here also i use Dell Powerdge
[12:29] <foo> ahhh, sweet... you guys rock
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[12:29] <foo> ivoks: ah, I've shot him an e-mail - he's going to try it tomorrow, I don't have physical access, just remote
[12:29] <foo> [miles] : 1435SC by any chance?
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[12:30] <[miles] > mmm will have to check
[12:30] <[miles] > foo: gimme 5 mins please
[12:30] <foo> [miles] : ah, no problem - thanks!!
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[12:35] <foo> lionel: What about you? Dell poweredge 1535SC by any chance
[12:35] <foo> ?
[12:35] <foo> (if you'd happen to knw0
[12:36] <foo> know)
[12:36] <lionel> no, I have only 850, 860, 1850, 1950 :-(
[12:37] <lionel> foo: what is your problem ?
[12:37] <davekempe> foo is the 1535c a new model? what problems are you having with it? 
[12:37] <foo> lionel: Had some issues with the SAS 5iR RAID Controller... was just looking for living proof that someone got it working, hehe
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[12:38] <lionel> foo with Dapper ?
[12:38] <foo> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS AMD64 hung after the proxy setup... which is right before the partitioning part
[12:38] <davekempe> do you have the lspci output?
[12:38] <foo> I'm helping someone set it up and I'm thinking he didn't configure the RAID array in the RAID BIOS
[12:39] <foo> davekempe: Can't get that far :) Might try the ubuntu live cd tomorrow if he did build the raid array
[12:39] <davekempe> yeah. feisty kubuntu or knoppix 5.8 might be a good source of info
[12:39] <davekempe> whats your target distro? dapper?
[12:40] <lionel> davekempe: kubuntu ? :)
[12:40] <foo> haha.
[12:40] <foo> Would like to get dapper LTS AMD64 working if possibly
[12:40] <foo> If need be, 6.10... but starting with that
[12:40] <foo> I'd be able to troubleshoot more if I had physical access to the server, but since I don't - I'm trying to ask around to make it easy on the guy, hehe
[12:40] <davekempe> lionel, kubuntu cos i prefer konsole, and cos its the best amd64 livecd around
[12:41] <lionel> davekempe: no problem, I would have said "Feisty live CD" to avoid (k)Ubuntu troll ;)
[12:41] <davekempe> foo, when this has happened to me (quite a few times now) I have needed a lengthy session at the console to get things work
[12:41] <davekempe> lionel,  :)
[12:42] <lionel> Time for lunch here. bbl
[12:42] <foo> davekempe: eek. To my understanding the SAS 5iR RAID card is true hardware RAID... so, if the RAID array is built successfully, it should work fine... I assumed he built the array, but have not confirmed 
[12:42] <davekempe> foo - SAS is a new storage mechanism, so 'true' or not, dapper might not support it nicely
[12:42] <ivoks> is there realy something to troubleshot or you are just guessing?
[12:43] <foo> davekempe: I see
[12:43] <ivoks> davekempe: it does
[12:43] <foo> ivoks: Wha? Yeah, it hung after the http proxy setup, right before the partition
[12:43] <ivoks> sas has little to non impact on OS
[12:43] <foo> I see
[12:44] <foo> ivoks: hehe, I don't doubt ya, just askin' around. 
[12:44] <foo> Anywho, hopefully he just needs to build the array and we can be on our merry way
[12:44] <foo> lionel: Lunch? Geez, it's 4am here. hah
[12:44] <davekempe> ivoks, i have had plenty of trouble with various sas controllers and dapper, not sure what you are getting at
[12:44] <ivoks> foo: i'm just interested if you tried to install ubuntu or just asking random people do they have problems with dell? :)
[12:44] <[miles] > sorry I have to run out of the office to meet the wife... foo, I'll be back shortly
[12:44] <ivoks> davekempe: lol... well, i had none :)
[12:45] <foo> [miles] : np
[12:45] <foo> ivoks: ah, we've tried... hence how I know it froze. It was explained to me, though, and I have to maybe explain to him how to build the RAID array, we'll see
[12:45] <ivoks> it froze?
[12:45] <ivoks> i doubt it frozed cause of raid controller
[12:45] <foo> froze... hung .. no progress bar movement.. yeah.
[12:45] <ivoks> did you try booting it with pci=nommconf?
[12:45] <davekempe> foo, the exact same thing happens to me on a Sun 4100 SAS, but only when the mirror was configured
[12:45] <foo> It was right before partition setup.. don't know.
[12:46] <foo> ivoks: nope, should we try that? 
[12:46] <ivoks> ah.. i see
[12:46] <foo> I see
[12:46] <davekempe> the ibm base model server x405 i think did something simiilar as well
[12:46] <davekempe> and adaptec sas controller in that one
[12:47] <davekempe> you gotta get in front of the machine, switch to alternate console and go from there
[12:47] <foo> alternate console = alt+f2 ?
[12:47] <davekempe> on the Suns, the installer sits there spewing messages about a floppy controller or something, then finally gets there.... but seriously, we need more info before we can help you
[12:47] <davekempe> or alt+f3 or F4
[12:47] <ivoks> right
[12:47] <foo> Right, I told him to do that.. said it was just a normal login.
[12:48] <foo> I have seen verbosity there myself, which is why I asked him
[12:48] <foo> Hm, I'm assuming a DRAC card would allow me to do this all remotely, right?
[12:48] <ivoks> what else do you need except normal login?
[12:48] <ivoks> then you have dmesg
[12:48] <ivoks> lsmod and all the tools for diagnose
[12:48] <foo> ivoks: err, good point, I'm used to just seeing dmesg on that console. I'll have him do that tomorrow
[12:48] <foo> for sure
[12:49] <foo> hm, can he set up ssh too, hehe
[12:49] <ivoks> yes
[12:49] <davekempe> alt+f3 might do it, or F4 I can't remember. i just do its instinctively
[12:49] <foo> ahh, sweet. thanks guys
[12:49] <ivoks> err... no, only if he install it first :)
[12:49] <foo> ah, yeah, he can probably bring the network up and get me in, nice
[12:49] <davekempe> if you really can't get it working, boot off a livecd, install ssh an get in from there
[12:49] <foo> heh, no need for a livecd, then
[12:50] <foo> yeah
[12:50] <davekempe> then you can use debootstrap to install dapper
[12:50] <davekempe> and even build a custom kernel
[12:50] <ivoks> or build custom kernel and do net boot
[12:50] <ivoks> anyway... bll
[01:02] <foo> ah, turns out he did set up the RAID array
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[01:09] <dballester> hi to all
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[03:22] <Odd_Bloke> Hi guys, I'm running kernel 2.6.15-26-server (Dapper) and need the kernel headers. There is not, however, an equivalent headers package. Can I get headers for this kernel or do I need to upgrade to a (marginally) more recent kernel?
[03:23] <ivoks> huh?
[03:23] <ivoks> linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server
[03:24] <ivoks> and... that's old kernel
[03:24] <ivoks> you should update your server
[03:24] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, I appear to be going insane.
[03:24] <Odd_Bloke> ivoks: I've just installed it, and it didn't upgrade it automatically...
[03:25] <ivoks> it won't do that
[03:25] <ivoks> you have to manually update it
[03:26] <ivoks> i would suggest installing linux-server package
[03:27] <Odd_Bloke> ivoks: Already installed.
[03:27] <ivoks> then apt-get update
[03:27] <ivoks> apt-get dist-upgrade
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[03:27] <ivoks> ?
[03:28] <Odd_Bloke> I've never had a dist-upgrade work in my life.
[03:28] <ivoks> this will not install newer distribution
[03:28] <ivoks> but a upgrade for kernel
[03:28] <ivoks> s/a/an
[03:29] <Odd_Bloke> It didn't install anything.
[03:30] <mralphabet> did you do the update first?
[03:30] <Odd_Bloke> Yup.
[03:30] <ivoks> are you sure you aren't running 2.6.15-28?
[03:31] <Odd_Bloke> I am.
[03:31] <Odd_Bloke> (Sure)
[03:31] <ivoks> so... you don't have internet repositories enabled?
[03:31] <Odd_Bloke> Though, looking at /boot, I do have 2.6.15-28 installed.
[03:31] <ivoks> ok...
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[03:32] <Odd_Bloke> OK, now it's booting with 2.6.15-28
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[03:38] <[miles] > mmm anyone having problems accessing security.ubuntu.com
[03:38] <[miles] > ?
[03:39] <[miles] > mmm anyone having problems accessing security.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <lionel> it is very slow / unavailable for me since this morning
[03:44] <[miles] > ah ok, not just me then
[03:44] <[miles] > lol
[03:52] <ivoks> i use mirrors archive
[04:06] <[miles] > guys, u know a way to view the cache in bind?
[04:08] <ivoks> dig @localhost :)
[04:08] <ivoks> dig @localhost [domain] 
[04:09] <ivoks> actualy, <domain>
[04:11] <[miles] > nah, rndc dumpdb
[04:11] <[miles] > :)
[04:12] <[miles] > works perfectly
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[04:40] <[miles] > jesus, the update servers are slowww today
[04:40] <[miles] > gonna have to setup a proxy cache
[04:41] <[miles] > mmm whats better, apt-proxy or apt-cacher ?
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[04:42] <lionel> hey ;)
=== [miles]  does it some more 
[04:42] <[miles] > :P
[04:42] <lionel> If you have bw, the best is probabily a local miror 
[04:43] <[miles] > really?
[04:43] <[miles] > lionel: you don't use apt-proxy or apt-cacher?
[04:43] <lionel> from what I have seen, squid tends to replace apt-proxy/apt-cacher
[04:43] <lionel> no
[04:44] <lionel> Dapper i386 is "only" 9G of disk
[04:44] <lionel> if you have many system with that...
[04:44] <[miles] > ok
[04:44] <lionel> I have a boubt on 9...
[04:44] <lionel> may be 13
[04:44] <lionel> but with some bandwith, it should not be a problem
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[04:45] <ivoks> i would suggest squid too
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[04:59] <[miles] > ivoks: :-|
[04:59] <[miles] > mmm
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[08:40] <EtienneG> miles, we use apt-cacher here with good success
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[09:49] <coNP> hey
[09:49] <coNP> is it possible to install a ubuntu server (in fact the alternate, because I need RAID as well) from a running system?
[09:50] <coNP> just as I were using ubiquity (that is not a solution, however, because it does not support RAID if I am right)
[09:52] <mralphabet> coNP: without a reboot?
[09:52] <mralphabet> or rather, what do you mean by running?
[09:52] <coNP> I have a desktop machine
[09:53] <coNP> I have a hard disk installed on that  I want to have the new system
[09:53] <coNP> I want to boot my desktop machine and then install the new system 
[09:53] <coNP> while I am able to perform regular tasks as answering e-mails, etc.
[09:54] <coNP> finally I remove the hard disk and put it back to the new machine
[09:56] <mralphabet> I do not understand why you just can't install ubuntu on the new machine, it takes 15 minutes
[09:57] <coNP> because I only have the hard disk here:)
[09:57] <coNP> and I don't want to move the whole big machine
[09:57] <Burgwork> you can do that
[09:57] <Burgwork> grab the alternate, install on it
[09:57] <Burgwork> swap the harddrive
[09:57] <Burgwork> go
[09:57] <coNP> sure that is what I wanted
[09:58] <coNP> but then I imagined that it might be possible to install from my desktop
[09:58] <shawarma> coNP: It is. You can use debootstrap.
[09:59] <coNP> oh, thanks
[10:01] <coNP> I install the hard disk and -- hopefully :) -- come back
[10:02] <mralphabet> is it me or is that just overcomplicating the process
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[10:05] <shawarma> mralphabet: Probably.
[10:05] <radevil_> hello
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[10:06] <radevil> hello
[10:07] <radevil> I want to apply to the ubuntu server developer team
[10:07] <radevil> is there anybody here that works for canonical in that position that can gives me some information please?
[10:11] <mralphabet> http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#head-9a9627b56fd16e9c958afc0774a78ef29d3c9098
[10:11] <mralphabet> not sure if you have seen that
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[10:37] <radevil> well i wanted to know about the job
[10:37] <radevil> how much time does it takes
[10:38] <radevil> schedule
[10:40] <mralphabet> I don't know that anyone here works for canonical
[10:41] <radevil> mmm so you're all colaborating with support
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[10:42] <Burgwork> radevil: which job?
[10:42] <mralphabet> I could easily be wrong, but it isn't something that has been brought up
[10:42] <radevil> ubuntu server developer
[10:44] <Burgwork> right
[10:44] <Burgwork> for that you would need to talk to canonical direclty
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[10:44] <radevil> do yuo wirk for canonical?? 
[10:44] <Burgwork> no
[10:45] <radevil> you work*
[10:46] <radevil> mm ok, well i though i could find someone that works for them to find some more information about the schedule, and some other stuffs
[10:46] <radevil> thanks a lot for the help
[10:46] <Burgwork> radevil: wait
[10:46] <Burgwork> basically, the job requires you to have some debian skills and lot of server experience
[10:46] <Burgwork> you can work from home
[10:47] <Burgwork> there are a minimum of two international conferences you would need to attend each year, called Ubuntu Development Summits
[10:47] <Burgwork> do you have experience with open source in general?
[10:48] <radevil> yes, i have experience working with debian servers
[10:49] <radevil> LDAP, Bind DNS, iptables, apache, etc ...
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[11:05] <shawarma> Burgwork: Why would you want general support to go to #ubuntu-server-admin instead of #ubuntu ?
[11:06] <Burgwork> because #ubuntu is completely and totallly full
[11:06] <Burgwork> I would rather have -admin merge into here, as we are not busy here
[11:07] <shawarma> Oh, #ubuntu-server-admin is not new?
[11:07] <shawarma> I just never heard about it before.
[11:08] <shawarma> Burgwork: Even though #ubuntu is full, it's still the proper place to ask how to install nvidia drivers and whatnot.
[11:08] <Burgwork> is new
[11:09] <Burgwork> if we are trying to promote Ubuntu on the server, throwing them to #ubuntu is not a good way to do it
[11:09] <shawarma> Definitely not.
[11:09] <Burgwork> I suspect that most people running on Ubuntu ont he server know those basic things
[11:09] <shawarma> But this channel is for server support, too?
[11:09] <Burgwork> they are looking for higher level advice
[11:09] <Burgwork> oh, right
[11:09] <ivoks> :)
[11:09] <Burgwork> I didn't read the topic before I changed it
[11:10] <ivoks> this is dev+support channel :)
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[11:10] <radevil> lol
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[11:10] <ivoks> Burgwork: is good to know that we all think a like :)
[11:11] <Burgwork> shall we merge -server-admin into this one?
[11:11] <ivoks> sure
[11:12] <Burgwork> innatech registered it
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