[12:22] <Shaba1> nope maxamillion  that is NOTICE
[12:22] <Shaba1> ok hitting it twice hold on
[12:22] <Shaba1> Ok there that did it
[12:23] <maxamillion> Shaba1: awesome .... as far as how to get rid of ChatZilla, i'm really not sure ... i've never done that
[12:23] <Shaba1> hmmm
[12:23] <rici> Shaba1: settings | preferred applications   is probably what you want
[12:24] <ormiret> is chatzilla a firefox extension?
[12:24] <maxamillion> ormiret: yes
[12:24] <ormiret> Tools->Addons then and you can uninstall from there
[12:25] <Shaba1> nope nothing under Tools-Addons in firefox
[12:27] <Shaba1> I *think* what happened is that I chose chatzilla from Add/Remove Applications window( which I suppose is just a front end for Symaptic) and it install mozilla along with it.
[12:27] <Shaba1> No big problem
[12:27] <Shaba1> but I would like to get rid of them both
[12:27] <Shaba1> I will just have to get use to xchat
[12:32] <Shaba1> Guys thanks
[12:32] <Shaba1> I am not a total newbie
[12:32] <Shaba1> infact I am a windows systems administrator for a small nonprofit
[12:32] <rici> you could have installed chatzilla inside firefox, and probably still can :)
[12:33] <rici> but if you prefer xchat, that's cool.
[12:33] <Shaba1> I built thier 28 workstation and 1 server network
[12:33] <rici> if you want to make firefox your default browser, you can do it in settings, i believe.
[12:33] <Shaba1> Wired the whole thing with cat 5 cable myself
[12:33] <Shaba1> but linux is a whole new world to me
[12:33] <Shaba1> rici thanks
[12:34] <Shaba1> I got rid of chatzilla,mozilla and composer
[12:34] <sigmamu188> shaba1: you ever get xubuntu running on the laptop?
[12:34] <Shaba1> using the Add/Rimove program apple
[12:34] <Shaba1> yep sigmamu188  I am talking to you from it right now
[12:34] <Shaba1> :)
[12:34] <sigmamu188> tight
[12:34] <sigmamu188> were you able to use gparted to resize the ntfs partition
[12:34] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: wheeler?
[12:34] <Shaba1> It only took me from 8am Sunday to 4 am monday to do it too :)
[12:35] <sigmamu188> whats up miller?
[12:35] <Shaba1> yep
[12:35] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: nodda bro, just workin'
[12:35] <Shaba1> I had to download and burn a live cd of gparted
[12:35] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: so just sitting at a computer watching webcams
[12:36] <Shaba1> now the thing is when and if I need the space back will it resize that ntfs partiton and FILESYSTEM without me losing windwos
[12:36] <rici> Shaba1: to put a link on the desktop, by the way, you just drag it.
[12:36] <Shaba1> windows
[12:36] <Shaba1> really
[12:36] <Shaba1> hold on rici
[12:36] <Shaba1> let me try that
[12:36] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: well, yes and no ... i'm supposed to be writing some software and working on some other server project but the boss left 30 minutes ago so i am just manning the phones and the irc channels :)
[12:36] <Shaba1> wait rici  you mean a appication shortcut
[12:36] <sigmamu188> so do you still have windows running on the comp too?
[12:36] <Shaba1> or a web link shourcut
[12:36] <sigmamu188> lol
[12:37] <Shaba1> Yepper
[12:37] <sigmamu188> cool
[12:37] <rici> Shaba1: no, i meant a url shortcut
[12:37] <sigmamu188> so just a live cd of gpartedm where did you get it?
[12:37] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: are you going to the formal?
[12:37] <rici> drag the link from a firefox page, drop it on the desktop, and a dialog should pop up asking you to give it a name
[12:37] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, i dual boot because sometimes i have to map to windows shares, printers, or servers and some of that is just more easily done on windows ... but nothing I own runs windows ;)
[12:37] <Shaba1> I need to reorder the grub menu though but there are instructions on how to do that on the ubuntu site
[12:37] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: of course! i'll be there all suited up
[12:38] <Shaba1> sigmamu188,  I think the site is www.gparted.org
[12:38] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: me too, im taking jen ram
[12:38] <Shaba1> I think
[12:38] <Shaba1> I have it short cuted ??(if that is a word) on my windows machine at home
[12:38] <Shaba1> I am on the laptop right now
[12:39] <maxamillion> Shaba1: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
[12:39] <maxamillion> !gparted
[12:39] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[12:39] <sigmamu188> shabal: cool i check it out i need to put a fat 32 swap so i can download and access from window
[12:39] <maxamillion> :)
[12:39] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: fat32 swap? ... you mean just a shared partition?
[12:39] <sigmamu188> yea
[12:39] <sigmamu188> that what i mean
[12:39] <maxamillion> oh ok
[12:39] <maxamillion> i was a tad confused
[12:40] <sigmamu188> i cant write to the ntfs on my 250g hd
[12:40] <sigmamu188> with linux
[12:40] <sigmamu188> i can access all my movies and music
[12:40] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, you can ... but from what i have heard the drivers are a pain
[12:40] <sigmamu188> but i need to be able to run torrent and access files from windows
[12:40] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: and they aren't stable ... so i recommend a fat32 shared .... i do that at work, keep most of my files on a 120gb shared fat32 partition
[12:41] <sigmamu188> i think im gonna make a 100G fat32 partition
[12:41] <sigmamu188> but i dont want to lose the data on my drive
[12:41] <sigmamu188> can i do that with gparted?
[12:42] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, it can resize and it will graphically show you how much already has data on it
[12:42] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: i need you widsom to handle this problem
[12:42] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: im running a nvidia geforce 6800
[12:42] <sigmamu188> dual head
[12:42] <Shaba1> I so not thing so sigmamu188
[12:42] <sigmamu188> and im dual screened on xubuntu
[12:42] <Shaba1> rici,  you still here
[12:42] <Shaba1> you drage what??
[12:43] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, i have dual 21" HiDef monitors here at work running dual DVI out of a nvidia 7900GTX
[12:43] <sigmamu188> and i cant figure out how to make the dvi output the default moniter
[12:43] <sigmamu188> it always makes the vga the default moniter
[12:43] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah ... i dunno
[12:44] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: well, wait ....
[12:44] <sigmamu188> i dont want to use my flat panel the xtra
[12:44] <sigmamu188> ive tried to code twinview
[12:44] <sigmamu188> over and over and over again
[12:44] <sigmamu188> is there a way to map the bus address of the dvi head to be moniter 0
[12:45] <sigmamu188> apposed to the vga as moniter 0
[12:45] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: you can either go out and get the newest nvidia drivers yourself or wait 3 weeks for them to be part of feisty, but the new drivers include an updated nvidia-settings application that let you do all that from a gui tool (that is actually nicer than the one the windows huggers use)
[12:46] <sigmamu188> at the nvidia website?
[12:46] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screens/gparted_1_big.jpg <--- check that screenshot, each box is a partition and the yellow is the used space while white it the free space
[12:46] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: no, lemme get you a link .... there is a third party repo you can just use apt-get or aptitude to install it
[12:47] <sigmamu188> ive used gparted before
[12:47] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: oh ....
[12:47] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: i mis-understood the convo then
[12:47] <Shaba1> brb folks
[12:47] <sigmamu188> i just didn't know that it could resize or write ntfs
[12:48] <sigmamu188> it wouldnt let me do that months ago when i trued to install xubuntu on the old XPS
[12:48] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Beta_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29 <--- i know it says "beta" but they have been stable since this was written
[12:49] <sigmamu188> hey i just realized you could alt+tab on xubuntu
[12:49] <rici> Shaba1: you drag the link.
[12:49] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: with those drivers you can run "sudo nvidia-settings" and it will give you the coolest nvidia gui you've ever seen
[12:49] <Shaba1> what does that do sigmamu188
[12:49] <Shaba1> what link
[12:49] <Shaba1> rici
[12:49] <sigmamu188> try it
[12:49] <rici> any link
[12:49] <Shaba1> what link
[12:49] <rici> the one you want a desktop shortcut for
[12:50] <sigmamu188> shaba1:just like windows alt+tab
[12:50] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: you don't have to use those drivers if you don't want to, you could just wait until feisty comes out
[12:50] <Shaba1> But that is it rici. I wanted to find out how to create a shortcut on the desktop of a web page
[12:50] <Shaba1> I think you are mising what I said originally
[12:50] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: why can i use gedit
[12:50] <rici> yes, that's what i'm saying
[12:50] <sigmamu188> cant*
[12:51] <Shaba1> rici ok right now I am looking at the yahoo page in firefox
[12:51] <rici> you put the mouse over top of the link to the webpage. push down on the mouse, don't release it. move the mouse until it is over the desktop. release it.
[12:51] <Shaba1> ther is no link to it
[12:51] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: oh yeah .... do "gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list" ... gedit it a gnome app that is part of ubuntu, not xubuntu
[12:51] <Shaba1> I am at the very page
[12:51] <sigmamu188> shaba1: right click and select add like
[12:51] <sigmamu188> link*
[12:51] <rici> then drag it from the url location bar
[12:51] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: the site is for ubuntu, but all of the stuff applies to xubuntu since xubuntu is based off ubuntu
[12:51] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: thanks your my alphalphanator
[12:52] <maxamillion> lol
[12:52] <Shaba1> there is not that choice either sigmamu188
[12:53] <Shaba1> there is a send link choice
[12:53] <rici> Shaba1: like i said, drag it from the url location bar at the top of the ff window
[12:53] <Shaba1> but looking at the help file that opens up your default email app and lets you email a link to that page to somone
[12:53] <sigmamu188> shaba1: are you trying to add to desktop?
[12:54] <rici> the icon beside the url, actually.
[12:54] <Shaba1> url or address rice
[12:54] <Shaba1> rici but I got it now
[12:55] <rici> if you hold your mouse over the icon, a tooltip will pop up telling you that, too.
[12:55] <maxamillion> uhmmmm..... wow: http://www.linutop.com/
[12:55] <rici> you can drag any link. bookmarks, tabs, fave bar, links in a webpage. try it. :)
[12:55] <Shaba1> ok thanks
[12:56] <Shaba1> brb
[12:56] <sigmamu188> cool the alt+tab follows the mouse screen to screen
[12:57] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: ctrl+alt+arrow_left (or arrow_right)  .... try that one out :)
[12:57] <sigmamu188> sweet
[12:58] <maxamillion> ;)
[12:58] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: and if you go into the settings manager you can make up keyboard shortcuts for just about anything
[12:59] <joe4444> how can i browse to a shared folder on my local network?
[12:59] <maxamillion> joe4444: how is it shared? ... what protocol?
[12:59] <joe4444> XP shared folder
[01:00] <joe4444> i know exactly where the file i need is, so could i use the smbclient command to copy the file?
[01:00] <maxamillion> joe4444: can't currently be done on xubuntu without a little bit of trickery
[01:00] <maxamillion> joe4444: oh, yeah you can do that
[01:01] <joe4444> can you give me an example?
[01:01] <maxamillion> joe4444: not off the top of my head, i don't really mess with smb shares to be honest
[01:02] <joe4444> k
[01:05] <rici> joe4444: try:  smbget smb://host/share/path/to/file
[01:05] <sigmamu188> now if only i could play fear on xubuntu
[01:05] <sigmamu188> i would have no need for windows
[01:06] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah ... i don't play games on computers so i don't really have that problem :)
[01:07] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: i dont either but i make an exception for F.E.A.R.
[01:07] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: fair enough
[01:07] <joe4444> rici, that seems to be working, but i'm not getting the right path...
[01:07] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: i had to add a gig of ram just to get it to run
[01:08] <sigmamu188> maximillion: it was killing frankendell
[01:08] <rici> joe4444: you mean it's giving you some other file?
[01:08] <sigmamu188> frankendell = computer built with old processor and peripherals for the old xps because dell would not just mail me a new motherboard
[01:08] <rici> you have to use / not \
[01:09] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: lol
[01:09] <rici> and you'll need to put quotes around it if it has spaces in it
[01:09] <joe4444> doesn't windows always create "master" shared folders like $D for the D:\ drive?
[01:09] <joe4444> this is what i'm trying...
[01:09] <rici> joe4444: i don't know if all versions do that
[01:09] <joe4444> smbget -w=HODOR smb//joelaptop/$D/edgy.iso
[01:09] <joe4444> smb://
[01:09] <rici> i thought it was D$
[01:10] <rici> boy has it been a long time since i've played with windows
[01:10] <joe4444> yeah i'm trying to rid myself of it for good :)
[01:10] <rici> but i don't know if that would be enabled for network access by default. i kinda doubt it
[01:10] <rici> you probably need to explicitly share it on the windows machine
[01:10] <joe4444> it just keeps saying Downloaded 0b in 0 seconds, so i'm assuming that means i've got the wrong path
[01:10] <sigmamu188> !pastebin
[01:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:10] <joe4444> well i also have an explicit share on the D drive but it's called (D) Data so the space is an issue... i'll try to rename it
[01:11] <rici> just use quotes
[01:11] <sigmamu188> maximillion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12417/
[01:11] <rici> smbget -w HODOR 'smb://...'
[01:11] <sigmamu188> how do i fix that
[01:11] <sigmamu188> ran --fix -missing
[01:11] <sigmamu188> and got the same message
[01:12] <joe4444> rici, i think the problem was -w=HODOR instead of -w HODOR
[01:12] <joe4444> it's working now :)
[01:12] <joe4444> thanks!
[01:13] <joe4444> dumb question: xfburn can burn an iso, right?
[01:15] <sigmamu188> maximillion: do in need to add it as deb or deb-scr?
[01:15] <sigmamu188> maximillion: to the sources fiel
[01:15] <sigmamu188> src
[01:16] <joe4444> hmm... xfburn just shows "no info" when i try to burn this edgy iso =(
[01:16] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: that's a md5sum mismatch ... did you follow the link i gave you step by step or just throw the repositories in your sources.list and go with it?
[01:16] <maxamillion> joe4444: xfburn is worthless ... try graveman or gnomebaker
[01:17] <sigmamu188> maximillion: threw into sorces and went with it
[01:17] <sigmamu188> lol
[01:17] <sigmamu188> let me try again
[01:17] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: there is something to be said for tutorials .... if people would read them :)
[01:18] <rici> sadly, they always read the most erroneous ones :)
[01:18] <joe4444> maxamillion, i can't find either in synaptic
[01:19] <maxamillion> joe4444: do you have all the repos added?
[01:19] <joe4444> prob not, fresh install of xubuntu
[01:19] <sigmamu188> maximillion: actually it was because i didnt add the 64 bit repository
[01:20] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: ahhhhh, what proc you got in that rig?
[01:20] <joe4444> my laptop cd-rw kept failing to burn the edgy iso (698mb) so i just burned xubuntu (540mb) instead... my new desktop has a brand new burner so i'm trying to use xubuntu to burn the ubuntu-edgy iso
[01:20] <maxamillion> joe4444: ah ok, well in synaptic go to Settings->Repositories and select the top 4
[01:21] <maxamillion> joe4444: and then you will probably need to click "reload" so it will go out and download the new info from the extra repos
[01:22] <joe4444> adding universe was enough to get graveman
[01:22] <sigmamu188> brb
[01:22] <sigmamu188> reboot
[01:22] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: wait
[01:22] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: what for?
[01:22] <maxamillion> nvm
[01:23] <joe4444> hmm, how do i burn an iso with graveman?
[01:23] <joe4444> i can't find an option
[01:24] <joe4444> nvm
[01:24] <maxamillion> :)
[01:25] <joe4444> seems to be working =)
[01:26] <joe4444> so is feisty still on schedule for apr 19?
[01:27] <sigmamu188> maximillion: 3.2Ghz (200X16) pentium with hyperthreading duo core
[01:27] <sigmamu188> 64bit enabled
[01:27] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: you sure that's a 64-bit cpu?
[01:27] <sigmamu188> not sure
[01:27] <maxamillion> you install the 64-bit version of xubuntu?
[01:28] <sigmamu188> no
[01:28] <sigmamu188> should i give it a try?
[01:28] <maxamillion> joe4444: yeah, give or take a day or two
[01:28] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: no, but i thought you said your problem with the repo was because you had a 64-bit processor but got the 32-bit repo
[01:28] <joe4444> heh, then i won't have edgy on this new box for very long :)
[01:28] <sigmamu188> it was
[01:29] <sigmamu188> when i added the 64-bit repo it no longer gave me the error
[01:29] <Lsi> to run 32bit version of anything on 64 processor? I thougt it was impossible.
[01:30] <sigmamu188> im just saying what i did and it fixed the problem
[01:31] <sigmamu188> my chip is hyper-threading capable emt64 capable
[01:31] <sigmamu188> or something like that
[01:32] <sigmamu188> i dont remeber the actual specs
[01:32] <sigmamu188> i know it shows 2 processes in windows
[01:33] <Lsi> sounds hazard for me with pentium II running :)
[01:33] <sigmamu188> lol
[01:33] <maxamillion> Lsi: no, to run a 32-bit anything on a 64-bit kernel is what's hard ... 64-bit processors have been running 32-bit operating systems for years
[01:33] <Lsi> ok
[01:33] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah ... you are going to break something if you try and mix a 32-bit kernel with a 64-bit graphics card driver
[01:34] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: do this in your irc window "/exec -o uname -a"
[01:34] <maxamillion> (without the quotes)
[01:34] <maxamillion> nvm... i gotta go
[01:35] <sigmamu188> Linux bash-tower 2.6.17-11-386 #2 Thu Feb 1 19:50:13 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:36] <sigmamu188> maximillion: how do i acces the nvidia gui now?
[01:36] <Lsi> You should propably try that 64bit version if your windows said there is two processors
[01:36] <joe4444> he's gone
[01:36] <sigmamu188> he is a jerk
[01:36] <sigmamu188> lol
[01:36] <joe4444> but he's running a 32-big kernel "i686"
[01:37] <joe4444> 32-bit*
[01:37] <sigmamu188> cool
[01:37] <joe4444> i don't know much, but i've also heard it's a bad idea to mix 32-bit and 64-bit pkgs
[01:37] <joe4444> so if your kernel is 32-bit you shouldn't install anything 64-bit
[01:38] <Lsi> that's propably true
[01:38] <sigmamu188> i didn't i jsut had to add the 64 bit repo along with the 32 bit repo to get the nvidia drivers to install
[01:38] <joe4444> that may mean it installed a 64-bit driver
[01:39] <joe4444> i'm not sure how to check
[01:39] <joe4444> try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-effects
[01:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What 64bit repo?  The repos are divided by name, not platform.  The platform is a variable that determines which package in the named repos you get.
[01:42] <sigmamu188> deb http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit binary/
[01:42] <sigmamu188> deb http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/64bit binary/
[01:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ah, not the official repos
[01:42] <sigmamu188> no
[01:46] <sigmamu188> it installed the x86 driver
[01:46] <sigmamu188> or so it would seem
[01:54] <Odd_Bloke> If I'm looking to install (X)Ubuntu without X, do I want the alternate CD?
[01:54] <sigmamu188> whats the command to launch bash
[01:54] <sigmamu188> im trying to make a shortcut
[01:54] <Odd_Bloke> NM, I found my answer.
[01:54] <sigmamu188> gnome
[01:55] <sigmamu188> !bash
[01:55] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:55] <rici> sigmamu188: you don't launch bash. you launch Terminal
[01:56] <sigmamu188> ahh duh
[01:56] <sigmamu188> what is the command
[01:56] <rici> Terminal
[01:56] <sigmamu188> xfe-terminal?
[01:56] <rici> with a capital T
[01:56] <sigmamu188> xfce
[01:56] <rici> just Terminal. with a capital T.
[01:57] <sigmamu188> it is telling me that the command is not executable
[01:57] <rici> or i guess xfce4-terminal
[01:57] <rici> really?
[01:58] <rici> wfm
[01:58] <sigmamu188> ok i tried xfce4-terminal
[01:58] <sigmamu188> it accepted it
[01:58] <sigmamu188> but it wont run the shortcut when i this the shortcut key
[01:58] <Lsi> Or just (alt+f2) and ln -s /home/.../firstness /home/.../linkTOit
[01:59] <sigmamu188> got it
[01:59] <sigmamu188> xfce4-terminal /bash
[02:00] <sigmamu188> so happy &2
[02:00] <sigmamu188> much joy joy
[02:00] <Lsi> Would I say 'yay'!
[02:03] <rici> i dunno, i tried all the options and they all worked
[02:03] <rici> so i don't know what you were doing that didn't
[02:10] <sigmamu188> i was adding it as a shortcut key
[02:10] <sigmamu188> alt+tab now launches terminal
[02:11] <Shaba1> Ok hello gusy
[02:11] <Shaba1> back in windows
[02:11] <Shaba1> why sigmamu188
[02:11] <rici> i find the existing alt-tab functionality more useful, but what the heck.
[02:11] <rici> i added it no problem as a shortcut (using Terminal) with super+minus, fwiw
[02:12] <rici> also, /bash is not valid; if you meant -x bash, it's unnecessary.
[02:12] <rici> but anyway, i'm glad you're happy :)
[02:12] <sigmamu188> i had to type xfce4-terminal /bash to get it to open
[02:12] <rici> i get an error if i type that.
[02:12] <rici> invalid option
[02:12] <sigmamu188> shabal: i added a shortcut key for launching the terminal
[02:13] <sigmamu188> are you running kde or gnome
[02:13] <sigmamu188> im running gnome services
[02:13] <rici> i didn't enable any gnome stuff, except for what's there with xubuntu
[02:13] <rici> no kde stuff either
[02:14] <sigmamu188> im just running my session with gnome enabled
[02:14] <sigmamu188> hmm
[02:15] <sigmamu188> when i was adding the command under Applications > Settings > Keyboard Settings > Shortcuts
[02:15] <rici> yep, i did that.
[02:15] <rici> i filled in Terminal as what to run, selected super + minus as the shortcut key, and tested it.
[02:15] <sigmamu188> well i guess it was user error
[02:15] <sigmamu188> lol
[02:15] <sigmamu188> it is working now
[02:15] <rici> cool
[02:15] <sigmamu188> i just tried it
[02:16] <sigmamu188> your way
[02:16] <sigmamu188> but i guess both work
[02:16] <sigmamu188> lol
[02:16] <rici> i like the alt-tab task switcher thingy
[02:20] <sigmamu188> you can alt tab in windows too
[02:21] <sigmamu188> brb
[02:32] <rici> sigmamu188: yes, also mac os x
[02:32] <rici> so i'm used to it.
[02:38] <posingaspopular> j #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:21] <greenflubber> does anybody know how to install xubuntu on a imac g3
[03:22] <sigmamu188> in theory i think just make a partition and install
[03:22] <sigmamu188> greenflubber: have you tried running the live cd?
[03:23] <greenflubber> yes
[03:24] <sigmamu188> never mind then
[03:24] <sigmamu188> lol
[03:24] <greenflubber> right now the screen is black
[03:25] <sigmamu188> on boot up?
[03:25] <sigmamu188> is there a "_" blinking in the top left corner?
[03:25] <greenflubber> no to both
[03:25] <sigmamu188> how far have you gotten
[03:26] <greenflubber> first it turned on then it said xubuntu and had a loading bar under it then went black
[03:26] <greenflubber> and that is where i am
[03:26] <posingaspopular> greenflubber, i think the command is something like hold 'c' on boot of ubuntu
[03:26] <sigmamu188> did you do a media check
[03:26] <posingaspopular> of any ubuntu live cd
[03:26] <sigmamu188> are you trying to install ubuntu or xubuntu
[03:26] <greenflubber> what is a media check
[03:26] <greenflubber> xubuntu
[03:26] <posingaspopular> or something similar
[03:26] <posingaspopular> oh wait, nvm im stupid
[03:26] <sigmamu188> when the xubuntu cd boots
[03:26] <sigmamu188> there is a gui menu
[03:27] <greenflubber> no
[03:27] <sigmamu188> first check the media
[03:27] <sigmamu188> are you doing an altertinitive install?
[03:27] <sigmamu188> http://pingswept.org/2006/01/08/installing-xubuntu-on-a-g3-imac/
[03:27] <greenflubber> well currently there is edubuntu on it and i think i need to take that off first because edubuntu doesn't even work on it
[03:27] <sigmamu188> read that link
[03:27] <greenflubber> because the computer is to old to run it
[03:28] <sigmamu188> you should be able to just delete and format that partition
[03:28] <greenflubber> how
[03:28] <sigmamu188> using gparted
[03:28] <sigmamu188> read that link
[03:28] <sigmamu188> that i just sent you
[03:28] <greenflubber> k
[03:29] <sigmamu188> im not sure what version of xubuntu  you are using
[03:30] <greenflubber> i dowloanded the most recent one
[03:30] <greenflubber> i typed server and it didn't work
[03:30] <sigmamu188> if you are using edgy there should be a gui that will let you do the media check and run the life cd with little or no linux knowledge
[03:31] <sigmamu188> are you at a command prompt
[03:31] <greenflubber> i am where it says enter live
[03:31] <greenflubber> or
[03:31] <greenflubber> live video=ofonly
[03:31] <sigmamu188> enter live
[03:32] <greenflubber> it says loading
[03:32] <greenflubber> kernel
[03:32] <sigmamu188> ok give it a sec
[03:32] <greenflubber> white screen
[03:32] <sigmamu188> it is loading the live cd
[03:32] <greenflubber> now it is loading xubuntu
[03:33] <greenflubber> where the bar goes back and forth
[03:33] <greenflubber> right after this screen it goes black and does nothing
[03:33] <sigmamu188> black or with a "_" blinking in top left?
[03:33] <greenflubber> no
[03:33] <greenflubber> nothing
[03:33] <sigmamu188> give it a second
[03:34] <sigmamu188> you said you comp is slower
[03:34] <sigmamu188> it might take a min
[03:34] <greenflubber> is there away to take the hard drive out and erase it completely
[03:34] <greenflubber> still loading
[03:34] <sigmamu188> you can download a gparted live cd
[03:34] <sigmamu188> !gparted
[03:34] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[03:34] <greenflubber> does it take long to download?
[03:35] <sigmamu188> no clue
[03:35] <greenflubber> i just answered my own question nvm
[03:35] <sigmamu188> depentds on you connection
[03:35] <sigmamu188> lol
[03:35] <greenflubber> now the bar is loading to the right
[03:35] <sigmamu188> told you it could take a second
[03:36] <sigmamu188> it is loading it off the cd
[03:36] <sigmamu188> into your ram
[03:36] <greenflubber> but now the screen is totaly black
[03:36] <sigmamu188> after you get installed it will be way faster
[03:36] <sigmamu188> ok it could take a second
[03:36] <greenflubber> it looks like the screen is turned off
[03:36] <sigmamu188> it might flash a few times
[03:36] <greenflubber> this is what it did last time
[03:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> How much RAM do you have?
[03:37] <sigmamu188> me
[03:37] <sigmamu188> lol
[03:37] <greenflubber> i think it is all used up from edubuntu
[03:37] <sigmamu188> 2Gig
[03:37] <sigmamu188> no if you booting off the life cd
[03:37] <greenflubber> which is still on there and i have no clue
[03:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> greenflubber: RAM, not disk space.
[03:37] <sigmamu188> then edubuntu is no loaded in your ram
[03:37] <sigmamu188> !ram
[03:37] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[03:37] <greenflubber> i don't know how much ram
[03:37] <sigmamu188> Ramdon access memory
[03:37] <greenflubber> i know
[03:37] <sigmamu188> k
[03:37] <sigmamu188> what are you running?
[03:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> greenflubber: You need at least 128MB to load the livecd, and at least 192 to install from it.
[03:37] <sigmamu188> g5?
[03:37] <greenflubber> the live cd
[03:38] <greenflubber> g3
[03:38] <greenflubber> does it say how much on a lable in the back of the computer
[03:38] <greenflubber> it is an imac
[03:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What color imac?
[03:39] <greenflubber> snow
[03:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (The original, 'bondi' blue ones came with just 64MB, iirc.)
[03:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hm
[03:39] <sigmamu188> you might not have enough ram to install
[03:39] <sigmamu188> pumpernickle: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/stats/imac_ab.html
[03:39] <greenflubber> you sure it now edubuntu which i installed not knowing the requirements
[03:40] <greenflubber> mine is from 03
[03:40] <greenflubber> i mean 02
[03:41] <sigmamu188> whats the model number
[03:41] <sigmamu188> or is there one
[03:41] <greenflubber> hold on
[03:41] <greenflubber> m5521
[03:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Shouldn't be a problem then.
[03:41] <sigmamu188> is the cd still loading?
[03:42] <ochosi> does anyone know which file is being used for mixer-configuration by alsa when booting normally? it always seems to forget my settings in /etc/asound.state, so i assume this is the wrong file
[03:42] <greenflubber> yes
[03:42] <greenflubber> it is the imac g3 500
[03:43] <greenflubber> and i have the one that has more ram i am pretty sure
[03:43] <greenflubber> i am going to try the partioner thing that is 50 megs
[03:43] <greenflubber> brb
[03:44] <sigmamu188> that will only let you change partitions
[03:44] <sigmamu188> not install xubuntu
[03:45] <sigmamu188> restart the linux install
[03:45] <sigmamu188> and type linux mediacheck
[03:45] <sigmamu188> after you do what ever your going to do with the gparted
[03:47] <greenflubber> where do i type linux mediacheck?
[03:47] <greenflubber> the only place i could type that is write before i type in live to the cd
[03:48] <greenflubber> that partionure thing will let me delete partions and then i can retry the cd because i think edubuntu is messing up the installation
[03:49] <greenflubber> because the website says if you have edubuntu and want xubuntu it will just install off edubuntu and i can't do that because my computer doesn
[03:49] <greenflubber> t have a enough ram or memory to start the os up
[03:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bug 22976
[03:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 22976 in xorg "Live CD boots to a black screen on Blueberry G3 iMac" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/22976
[03:51] <sigmamu188> can you resize ntfs with gparted without losing data?
[03:51] <sigmamu188> anyone know?
[03:52] <greenflubber> i might have that on my that will suck
[03:52] <sigmamu188> pumpernickle: good show old bean
[03:53] <sigmamu188> pumpernickle: do you think that dapper or breezy would work
[03:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sigmamu188: Yeah.  There's a nice chart showing gparted's abilities on gparted.sourceforge.net
[03:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sigmamu188: Nah, that issue seems to have shown up in every release since breezy.
[03:54] <sigmamu188> but will it kill my data?
[03:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Shouldn't.
[03:54] <sigmamu188> sweet, its worth a try
[03:56] <greenflubber> i needed to recycle this old mac any ways
[03:56] <greenflubber> it was a piece of junk when i got it
[03:56] <greenflubber> thanks for the help
[03:57] <greenflubber> gpart is for x89
[03:57] <greenflubber> i mean x86
[03:57] <greenflubber> thanx for help bye
[03:58] <sigmamu188> night
[04:07] <joe4444> is it normal for a clean install on a SATA-II hdd to boot in > 60s?
[05:09] <runtime> hey
[05:09] <runtime> I screwed up the configuration of the panels, anyway I can restore it to the default?
[05:12] <crdlb> runtime, the panel configuration seems  to be stored in ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[05:13] <crdlb> moving that folder would probably restore the default
[05:13] <runtime> ok thanks
[05:26] <CoRnJuLiOx> ok, apparently xfce is using nautilus as its file manager. how do i get it to use thunar as the default?
[05:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In the 'properties' window for a folder, is there an 'open with' tab?
[05:32] <CoRnJuLiOx> ahh yes
[05:32] <CoRnJuLiOx> tghere is
[05:32] <CoRnJuLiOx> there*
[05:32] <CoRnJuLiOx> but i wanna make thunar the default
[05:33] <CoRnJuLiOx> ah. my bad, i thought you meant the right click window. didn't see the 'properties' there
[05:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah, the 'properties' item inside the 'properties' menu.
[05:35] <CoRnJuLiOx> ah? it won't select
[05:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hm?
[06:32] <g4h> anyone around at the moment?
[06:48] <g4h> ok, easy question? I have a couple machines here running samba on xubuntu and I can access both from a  lappy running xP. question being how do i go about accessing the samba shares in xfce? is that something thunar can do or would a different client/browser be needed?
[06:56] <grazie> g4h: Native thunar....no., but look at >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131. Also linNeighborhood & pyNeighborhood
[06:57] <g4h> thanks grazie *takes a look*
[06:58] <grazie> np
[06:58] <grazie> g4h: you on a g4 mac?
[06:59] <g4h> nope
[07:00] <g4h> cant say i'd have any complaints if i were
[07:36] <Dragoonboy> hi
[07:36] <Dragoonboy> anyone awake?
[07:38] <Dragoonboy> can anyone help me with an ATI problem?
[07:55] <Dragoonboy> bah, good evening... can anyone assist me with an ATI driver install?
[09:25] <magic_ninja> wats up
[11:20] <maja> 1
[02:47] <aussieman> hey xubuntus my panel dissappeared this morning and now i have to run /usr/bin/xfce4-panel in the terminal to get it up. How can I make it happen automatically again?
[02:49] <TheSheep> aussieman: save the session when logging out -- the panel will be saved with it
[02:50] <aussieman> ok thanks TheSheep ill try that
[02:56] <ascaris> hi, i am using 7.04 and when i try to run anything that requires root level access i get the message "Failed to run users-admin as user root"
[02:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Feisty support in #ubuntu+1.
[02:57] <ascaris> thanks
[04:42] <jmichaelx> how are things going for everyone since the upgrade to 2.6.20-13 in Feisty? it was a big improvement for me in most regards, however my nvidia acceleration is not working well
[04:46] <somerville32> moo
[04:47] <j1mc> moo
[04:50] <somerville32> j1mc, you're missing from #xubuntu-devel
[04:51] <j1mc> sorry . . . :-)
[04:54] <khvn> I've got a problem with Rosegarden on xubuntu 6.10
[04:55] <khvn> it shows a splashscreen but doesn't show up the main window
[04:55] <somerville32> khvn: Please file a bug. :)
[04:57] <khvn> pardon a newbie, but how exactly should I file a bug? and is it a bug of Rosegarden or of Xubuntu? :)
[04:59] <somerville32> !bugs
[04:59] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:59] <somerville32> :)
[04:59] <khvn> thank you very much
[04:59] <somerville32> When people make comments on your bug, you'll get an e-mail notification.
[05:00] <somerville32> The bug triagers will most likely have questions for you. :)
[05:00] <somerville32> Oh! And make sure to search before you create a new bug report.
[05:00] <somerville32> Someone else might have already reported it.
[05:00] <somerville32> If someone has, you can make a comment on their bug saying you can confirm it.
[05:00] <somerville32> Anyhows, I gotta run.
[05:01] <khvn> thanks again, bye)
[05:06] <grazie> khvn: If you need a little more guidance this is a good link to follow >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs (but don't get too bogged down)
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> Is XFCE significantly faster on low resources with one workspace comaparted to four?
[05:26] <crdlb> tonyyarusso, I don't see why it would be
[05:27] <crdlb> unless you set separate wallpapers or something
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> crdlb: some article claimed as much - seemed slightly hokey to me
[05:27] <j1mc> crdlb: how do you know?
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> You can do that?
[05:27] <crdlb> not that I know of
[05:29] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: i could see some gain in memory consumption, but because of the way xfce handles it i don't entirely see how it would be a drastic increase in speed
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> maxamillion: Working on as low as 128 meg RAM - is it worth the loss of coolness and productivity?
[05:31] <crdlb> tonyyarusso, it seems to me that it only uses more ram if it leads you to open more apps :)
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[05:32] <maxamillion> tonyyarusso: well, it might help
[05:34] <grazie> I don't know how workspaces work, but I suspect it something like making a big canvas into a number of small ones. The canvas takes very little resource, but when you start painting.....
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> Sounds about right
[05:52] <max_at_class> gotta run to class ... bbl
[06:24] <art4art> hello
[06:26] <j1mc> gtg for now.  ttyl.
[07:36] <Chris1> hi, am i able to configure the "show desktop" button? i want it to just shut the windows of the current workspace down
[07:38] <grazie> Chris1: do you mean the button has gone? If so, you can add it back by right clicking on the panel
[07:38] <Chris1> no, that's not the prolem. i want the button just to shut down the windows of the current workspace
[07:39] <Chris1> shut down = minimize
[07:41] <grazie> wouldn't thought that was possible without writing your  own applet - maybe someone has done this already?
[08:10] <maxamillion> somerville32!!!!!
[08:17] <somerville32> Wee!! :)
[08:28] <g4h> hey folks. is anyone here familiar with fusesmb? i'm trying to install it but I've been having some difficulties
[08:28] <maxamillion> g4h: having issues installing it or using it?
[08:28] <g4h> installing
[08:28] <maxamillion> g4h: because i don't know much about using it, but installation should be just like any other app ... what seems to be the trouble?
[08:30] <g4h> well first off it didnt come up under synaptic, so I suspect i have some missing items in my repositories, so i went and manually downloaded it. then during the config it couldnt fing the fuse header files, which also don't seem to be coming up in synaptic >.<
[08:31] <g4h> noting that I am still a little newish to linux. <.<   >.>
[08:31] <maxamillion> g4h: ok, delete to downloaded version ... we will get the repositories setup so you can use synaptic to install
[08:31] <maxamillion> cellofellow: hiya
[08:31] <g4h> wewtles. thx
[08:31] <maxamillion> cellofellow: you gonna be there for the meeting today?
[08:32] <cellofellow> hello's from England
[08:32] <cellofellow> prolly not
[08:32] <cellofellow> just sneeking in some online time here.
[08:32] <maxamillion> cellofellow: england? ... vacation?
[08:32] <cellofellow> yup
[08:32] <cellofellow> just got back from 5 days in Denmark.
[08:32] <cellofellow> lol
[08:33] <g4h> i've been waiting to gtfo of the states for a while now.
[08:33] <maxamillion> g4h: open synaptic and click on Settings->Repositories and then be sure to click the top 4, save and close that little pop up window, then click "reload" and search for it ... should be fine
[08:35] <cellofellow> gah, this M$ box is so screwy. I tried to run Ubuntu CD but got caught.
[08:35] <g4h> i'll assume you mean top 5 since cdrom is on the list, and theyre already checked, as wit heverything below them =x
[08:36] <g4h> part of what has me stumped. it seems like it should have come right up. I did find a post that mentioned it had to be backported, but thats selected too.
[08:37] <maxamillion> g4h: what version of xubuntu you running?
[08:38] <g4h> heh, incoming noob question: how do i check that?
[08:39] <maxamillion> g4h: few ways but we will use this one: open a terminal window and type "cat /proc/version"
[08:39] <somerville32> Isn't that the kernel version?
[08:39] <somerville32> I thought that /etc/somethingoranother/issue was the distro version
[08:40] <maxamillion> somerville32: /proc/version_signature is the kernel version
[08:40] <somerville32> kk
[08:40] <maxamillion> somerville32: /proc/version is .... oh wait
[08:40] <maxamillion> bah!
[08:40] <maxamillion> lol
[08:41] <g4h> Linux version 2.6.15-26-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5))
[08:41] <g4h> looks like it shows both
[08:41] <maxamillion> g4h: yeah, you are running Dapper-LTS
[08:42] <maxamillion> g4h: i am running Edgy which makes me a bad reference for how to do things on dapper
[08:42] <g4h> doh.
[08:42] <cellofellow> Resort to CLI and things are pretty much the same.
[08:43] <g4h> CLI?
[08:43] <cellofellow> (putty and winscp; all I need to get back to a sane OS)
[08:43] <cellofellow> Command Line Interface
[08:43] <maxamillion> !cli
[08:43] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:43] <maxamillion> :)
[08:43] <cellofellow> opposite of Graphical User Interface.
[08:43] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[08:43] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:43] <cellofellow> !botsnack
[08:43] <maxamillion> good bot
[08:43] <cellofellow> fatten the bot!
[08:44] <maxamillion> :P
[08:44] <maxamillion> g4h: basically you are running version 6.06 and i am running version 6.10
[08:44] <cellofellow> 4 months difference aint that much.
[08:45] <maxamillion> not really
[08:45] <maxamillion> but there are alot of applications updates
[08:45] <cellofellow> Hoary2Dapper was 8 months, so they needed a catchup.
[08:45] <maxamillion> ahhhh
[08:45] <maxamillion> well dapper is LTS, they needed to test extensively
[08:45] <maxamillion> imo
[08:45] <cellofellow> any idea how to make winscp hide dotfiles?
[08:46] <maxamillion> cellofellow: negative
[08:46] <cellofellow> that was the point. Apparently Shuttleworth had to pull teeth to get that extension.
[08:47] <g4h> so would i be able to update to edgy or would that require a new install?
[08:47] <cellofellow> it's very possible
[08:48] <cellofellow> change all dapper to edgy in sources.list, and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:49] <g4h> righto. *tends to that*
[08:50] <maxamillion> g4h: you would just need to edit a file and enter a couple commands in the command line .... like cellofellow said :)
[08:53] <cellofellow> it'll take a few hours
[08:53] <maxamillion> yeah :/
[08:53] <maxamillion> only downfall
[08:53] <maxamillion> brb
[08:53] <g4h> whatev. i've got plenty of time
[08:53] <g4h> i've been slowly picking away at these little network connectivity issues since december
[08:54] <cellofellow> I'm in England but if you were to probe me, I'd appear to be in Utah.
[08:54] <g4h> right now i can access all my samba shares from my laptop, but since the desktops are xubuntu, getting them to access each other is a slightly different case
[08:55] <cellofellow> use UNIX networking.
[08:58] <cellofellow> ok, don't ever try to copy an image in TIFF format over SCP. Can you spell slow?
[09:00] <maxamillion> back
[09:00] <maxamillion> cellofellow: you shell'd into your server?
[09:01] <cellofellow> yes
[09:01] <cellofellow> can't find a decent free Windows IRC client
[09:02] <j1mc|away> cellofellow: it's not super awesome, but it works.
[09:02] <cellofellow> well, yeah but does that work off of an SD card?
[09:03] <maxamillion> cellofellow: irssi has a windows release now :)
[09:03] <cellofellow> link?
[09:04] <grazie> cellofellow: xchat too
[09:04] <maxamillion> www.irssi.org
[09:04] <cellofellow> (GAH! Proprietary programs!)
[09:04] <cellofellow> ok, will check it out.
[09:04] <maxamillion> proprietary programs?
[09:06] <cellofellow> I openned an image to edit it and i got Macromedia Fireworks (which I asume is dead by now.)
[09:07] <cellofellow> WinXP is so weird. I makes clicking sounds with the speakers, as if the mouse wasn't loud enough.
[09:07] <g4h> i always turn sounds and themes off
[09:07] <maxamillion> lol
[09:25] <cellofellow> maxamillion: when is this meeting?
[09:26] <maxamillion> cellofellow: hour and a half if my UTC calculations are correct
[09:27] <cellofellow> I'm in GMT right now. (Dunno if GMT = UTC or not)
[09:27] <maxamillion> i dunno
[09:29] <Vorian> yes GMT=UTC :)
[09:29] <cellofellow> even with Daylight Savings?
[09:30] <Vorian> well, thats up to you ;-)
[09:34] <Ramla> GMT = GMT = UTC, brits @ daylight saving = UTC+1. that's afaik.
[09:35] <cellofellow> thanks thn
[09:35] <cellofellow> then*
[09:42] <pewee> hi
[09:42] <maxamillion> hello
[09:45] <cellofellow> goodbye. May check in again later.
[10:14] <alkoool> how to configure graphical server?
[10:15] <alkoool> if it crash
[10:15] <j1mc|away> alkoool: do you know the specs of your monitor?
[10:17] <j1mc> alkoool: write down the specs of your monitor, and then type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:19] <alkoool> thank you i forget only the command
[10:23] <hyper_ch> hiho
[10:28] <maxamillion> yo
[10:41] <maxamillion> somerville32: welcome back
[10:42] <maxamillion> somerville32: lol
[10:42] <somerville32> If thinks hold up, I  shall be at the meeting :)
[10:43] <somerville32> Unfortunately, I'll be standing up the entire meeting leaning into the bathroom window edge
[10:43] <somerville32> Which is rather painful for my hip and wrists
[10:43] <maxamillion> somerville32: oh that's no good ... nothing you can prop up on to sit?
[10:44] <somerville32> Nope.
[10:44] <somerville32> And the laptop is sideways on the sill
[10:44] <hyper_ch> who is partition encryption savy here?
[10:44] <maxamillion> somerville32: :(
[10:44] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: not i
[10:44] <g4h> nay
[10:46] <g4h> the only true security is at the cable. =p
[10:46] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I just read an article about the StegFS and I just tend to think if people would actively use that then RIAA and MPAA wouldn't be able to prove anymore that there is copyrighted materials on the people's computers
[10:47] <somerville32> interesting
[10:47] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: ahhhh, yeah ... probably ... everything i have either belongs to me or is open source but i'm sure many people would enjoy where you are coming from
[10:47] <j1mc> hyper_ch: do you have a linky for the StegFS article?
[10:47] <j1mc> :)
[10:47] <hyper_ch> http://www.mcdonald.org.uk/StegFS/ --> unfortunately only up to kernel 2.2
[10:48] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: is it still being developed?
[10:48] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: here you can only get convicted of sharing material
[10:48] <g4h> here = ?
[10:48] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I don't think so... unfortunately
[10:48] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: however the setup is pretty clever I think :)
[10:50] <j1mc> hyper_ch: where is "here"?    (( (15:48:15) hyper_ch: maxamillion: here you can only get convicted of sharing material ))
[10:50] <hyper_ch> j1mc: CH --> Confederatio Helvetica --> Helevtic Confederation --> Switzerland
[10:51] <hyper_ch> the idea behind stefs is that is hat multiple levels of security
[10:52] <hyper_ch> and that you really can't tell if something belongs to a security level or whether it's just jitter on the harddisk
[10:52] <hyper_ch> so you could make some mid-security levels and when you are forced to give away the keys then you can give ones of lower security and inspectors can't be sure if there is more encrypted data
[11:07] <Ansert> hej
[11:07] <Ansert> have you that error ?
[11:07] <Ansert> http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menugn3.jpg
[11:08] <Ansert> fev second and ist all ok
[11:09] <somerville32> Ugh oh
[11:09] <somerville32> It is only 6pm... I thought it was 7pm
[11:09] <somerville32> I'm going to run out of battery : (
[11:11] <Ansert> somebody help me ?
[11:11] <maxamillion> somerville32: i thought the meeting starts now?
[11:12] <maxamillion> Ansert: you running amd64?
[11:13] <Ansert> yes and no i and my friends have that problem
[11:13] <Ansert> and have nvidia graphic cards , this is not problem ati (glrx)
[11:14] <Ansert> we have*
[11:14] <maxamillion> Ansert: you trying to run the beta drivers or possibly beryl/compiz?
[11:14] <somerville32> no, it is 1900
[11:15] <somerville32> (my time and it is 1800 now)
[11:15] <Ansert> yes this problem ist = xfce + composite
[11:15] <maxamillion> Ansert: uhmmm... yeah, i think that is just a render issue and should be fixed if you were to use the stable video drivers
[11:16] <Ansert> as repair it ?
[11:16] <maxamillion> Ansert: huh?
[11:16] <Ansert> new driver for graphic ? install ?
[11:16] <maxamillion> Ansert: no, the stable one from the repositories ... you said you are running the beta
[11:17] <Ansert> gf 6600 + closed drivers 1.0-9755
[11:18] <maxamillion> Ansert: did you install them from the repositories or from nvidia.com?
[11:18] <Ansert> from nvidia.com
[11:19] <maxamillion> Ansert: yeah, then i can't help you .... installing from nvidia.com causes all kinds of problems, that's why they are in the universe repository .... sorry i am not of more help :(
[11:19] <Ansert> thx ;)
[11:20] <Ansert> this problem ist for dist-upgrade xubuntu 7.04 but not always
[11:23] <gnomefreak> Ansert: its a gf4 card?
[11:23] <Ansert> gf6600
[11:23] <gnomefreak> the nvidia 97xx drivers stopped support for geforce4 cards. in feisty you will need to install nvidia-glx-legacy drivers
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Ansert: im not sure if that is geforce4 or not
[11:25] <Ansert> as repair it ? know you ?
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Ansert: we dont support installin gthem from nvidia.com as it builds its own kernel modules
[11:25] <maxamillion> gnomefreak: naw ... a gf6600 should be on the new drivers, i am running the new ones on a gf6200 at home without a problem
[11:26] <gnomefreak> maxamillion: ty so its plain geforce than :)
[11:27] <maxamillion> gnomefreak: yeah, that's what he claims to be running :)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> yep its plain geforce :)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> if he had them and upgraded kernel he need to rerun the script for the kernel hes booted to
[11:28] <gnomefreak> but since the nvidia-glx package == same drivers with patches :) its better to use ours as they update themselves
[11:30] <maxamillion> Ansert: what is your native language?
[11:30] <Ansert> pl
[11:30] <Ansert> maxamillion: write ...
[11:30] <Ansert> http://forum.ubuntu.pl/viewtopic.php?p=160431#160431
[11:32] <maxamillion> Ansert: the channel #ubuntu-pl might be able to help you a little more than we can (just a thought)
[11:34] <Ansert> maxamillion: thx help you me
[11:36] <hyper_ch> gn8
[12:10] <marthinX> Hall
[12:10] <marthinX> Hallo kann mir jemand helfen?
[12:10] <maxamillion> marthinX: what language is that?
[12:10] <vorian> danish i think
[12:11] <marthinX> sorry ...
[12:11] <marthinX> ist german
[12:11] <vorian> eek
[12:11] <marthinX> i change the room
[12:11] <maxamillion> marthinX: no worries, i was just going to direct you somewhere that might cater to ... nvm
[12:11] <vorian> lol
[12:22] <marthinX> hllo this is me again ... can anybody help me?
[12:23] <marthinX> I try to install xubuntu on a Fujitsu Lifebook 345 Laptop
[12:23] <marthinX> baut ist doest work
[12:23] <marthinX> but it doesnt work
[12:24] <marthinX> it starts but stops during the boot process without any errors
[12:24] <marthinX> can anybody help me?