[01:46] <wizzy> fp
[01:54] <cliebow> pfff
[03:17] <flubber> sljf
[03:17] <flubber> sorry
[05:10] <kinema> I'm looking into the possibility of setting up a few Edubuntu based kiosks in public library.
[05:10] <kinema> Are there any tools to enable session time limits?
[05:46] <sbalneav> Evening all
[07:20] <atu-> hai,wanna ask please, can anyone tell me where i can find the guidelance for translating edubuntu wiki to my local language?
[07:20] <atu-> *guidelines *sorry*
[09:27] <allee> AFAIR the clients use an NFS mounted root fs, right?  In case I'm right, which pkg contains this edu-client kernel that supports NFS root fs?
[09:30] <juliux> morning
[10:18] <LinuxProbie> hey folks
[10:18] <LinuxProbie> so I did the walkthrough to get my wireless card on my inspiron working in feisty and now it doesn't even show up in iwconfig. can anyone help?
[10:22] <LinuxProbie> So, I am getting totally turned off to linux now because of this issue.
[10:46] <Tm_T> LinuxProbie: for that issue, you prolly have more help in #ubuntu etc
[12:54] <frandavid101> hiya!
[12:55] <frandavid101> I installed thin-client-manager-gnome and am trying to try it, but I don't know how
[12:55] <frandavid101> is there a command I need to run?
[01:25] <cliebow> frandavid101, re tcm..cbx33 should be able to help you
[01:43] <juliux> ogra, ping
[01:56] <knix_> morning all
[03:20] <chowmeined> Hello, I have been assigned the task of figuring out if we can implement edubuntu in our school's labs.. Could any of you provide some advice or pointers to documentation for integrating edubuntu into our windows environment (active directory)?
[03:21] <jsgotangco> well you have to go to a different type of documentation that is specific to samba
[03:22] <chowmeined> I understand working with samba but I mean are there any specific tools available in edubuntu to make this process easier?
[03:22] <cliebow_> years ago for several years we used winbind to authenticate to ad
[03:23] <cliebow_> it was not trivial..and toward the end had to cron a samba/winbind restart every hour
[03:24] <chowmeined> with the terminals is there any way to configure specific terminals permanently?
[03:25] <chowmeined> such as.. the terminals in this lab always get that printer set as default etc
[03:30] <jsgotangco> chowmeined: none at the moment unfortunately
[03:30] <jsgotangco> but if you look at future developments, there is one
[03:30] <jsgotangco> http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary.html?start=126
[03:31] <chowmeined> ah, how interesting
[03:38] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:38] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, loaded the latest nightly build last night, looked OK
[03:38] <sbalneav> ltsp chroot built properly
[03:38] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yay!
[03:40] <sbalneav> The /etc/network/interfaces got updated properly too,
[03:40] <sbalneav> but NetworkMangler is still interfering with it.
[03:41] <sbalneav> And! I was so proud of myself, I actually figured out why my USB audio card wasn't showing up as /dev/dsp, and instead was showing up as /dev/dsp1
[03:41] <sbalneav> in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base:
[03:41] <sbalneav> # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
[03:41] <sbalneav> options snd-usb-audio index=-2
[03:42] <sbalneav> I don't know if that's a bug or not.  One supposes there should be some kind of logic there to ensure that onboard gets selected first, THEN a usb audio card, if there is one, and if no onboard audio, then just fall through.
[03:43] <highvoltage> sbalneav: that's interesting
[03:43] <sbalneav> There's a long story with this USB audio card of mine.
[03:44] <sbalneav> It's a SoundBlaster Audigy NX 2, really nice unit.  Lots of inputs and outputs.
[03:44] <sbalneav> I bought it 3 years ago.  And at the time, Linux didn't know what to do with it.
[03:44] <highvoltage> I considered getting a usb soundcard/phone for skype/ekiga at some point though
[03:44] <highvoltage> heh
[03:45] <cliebow_> i fiddled with one in breezy and edgy for a customer..
[03:45] <cliebow_> the sb
[03:45] <sbalneav> So I sat on it.  For 2 years.  Every time a new kernel would come out, I'd try it again.  Nope, still not working.
[03:45] <sbalneav> Then, about a year ago, it started getting functional.  So I'm happy :)
[03:48] <highvoltage> usb devices in general seems to be more standardised and faster supported all the time
[03:49] <cbx33> sbalneav: w00t
[03:49] <cbx33> that works great in linux ;)
[03:49] <cbx33> 10 in 10 out
[03:49] <sbalneav> cbx33: See my blog post?
[03:49] <cbx33> no
[03:49] <cbx33> link me
[03:51] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:52] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: don't lie. we all know you're loaded!!!
[03:52] <highvoltage> ;)
[03:52] <cbx33> ["Rock Hard! Ride Free! All day, all night!"]  - see I knew he was lying
[03:54] <highvoltage> heh
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya
[03:59] <highvoltage> hey bddebian!
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[04:00] <highvoltage> bddebian: will we be seeing you in Sevilla?
[04:00] <bddebian> Probably not. :'-(
[04:00] <bddebian> Hopefully Boston though
[04:00] <highvoltage> ok :(
[04:00] <cliebow_> Boston?
[04:01] <bddebian> I've heard that that is where the feisty+1 UDS will be
[04:01] <highvoltage> bddebian: I believe feisty+1 UDS will be in Sevilla
[04:02] <bddebian> Well feisty +2? :-)
[04:02] <highvoltage> (since feisty will already be released by then)
[04:02] <highvoltage> ah, ok
[04:32] <knix_> I havent setup up edubuntu server in awhile and need alittle help.  I am trying to setup the dhcp server part.  Do I edit dhcpd.conf to specify the ip range and all?
[04:43] <cliebow_> knix_:seens so...if you've done ltsp-server-standalone the relevant file will be /etc/lts/dhcpd.conf
[04:44] <knix_> ty, let me see how it goes
[04:44] <knix_> every time i start the dhcp server it fails, where can i see the log for this?
[04:45] <cliebow_> err syslog or messages?
[04:45] <knix_> ty
[04:45] <cliebow_> your subnet must match the clients ip address
[04:47] <knix_> great
[06:40] <knix_> Is it possible to import a text file for the users?
[06:41] <LaserJock> knix_: what do you mean?
[06:42] <knix_> I should of clarified more
[06:42] <knix_> I have many students here at my job, and instead of creating each user manually, is there any other way to import windows users in edubuntu?
[06:46] <LaserJock> ah
[06:46] <LaserJock> I don't know of a tool to do that
[06:46] <knix_> ok, just checking
[06:46] <LaserJock> but I put up a project idea for the Google Summer of Code to such a tool
[06:46] <knix_> great
[06:48] <cliebow_> knix_:should be able to do an ldifde from active directory and do agrep to get usernames..if that is where you are coming from
[06:49] <cliebow_> passwords will not transfer...but you can generate new ones and pass em out
[06:49] <knix_> greatness
[06:49] <knix_> ty
[06:56] <knix_> sorry for all the ? but, how do I get x11vnc installed on the client?  I did install it on the server
[06:58] <LaserJock> I don't think you need it installed on the client do you?
[06:58] <cliebow_> this 4.2?
[06:58] <LaserJock> or maybe you do
[06:58] <LaserJock> I'll just shut up and let cliebow_ do all the talking
[06:58] <cliebow_> you only need it on client..
[06:58] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:58] <cliebow_> blahblahblahdeblah
[06:59] <knix_> lol, ok how do you install it on the client? If the client resides on the server
[06:59] <cliebow_> but it "could"be used to see the :0 desktop on sever
[07:00] <cliebow_> well install inthe chroot
[07:00] <cliebow_> no one listens to me anyway..
[07:01] <knix_> install in the chroot?
[07:02] <cliebow_> welll that will be the clients filesystem..
[07:03] <knix_> hmmm
[07:09] <sbalneav> Back
[07:17] <knix_> ok, If i have the internet nic unplugged, my thin client can connect to the server.  If I plug the internet nic in, my dhcp-server fails
[07:20] <cliebow_> if student-control-panel says import studentcontrolpanel.ltcm but what exists is /tcm/ltcm.py
[07:21] <knix_> i have no idea what your talking about cliebow
[07:23] <knix_> i dont have scp installed
[07:25] <sbalneav> knix_: Do you have a dhcp server on your internet gateway box?
[07:25] <sbalneav> They may be conflicting
[07:26] <mcsd> does anyone know the default root password for the live cd 6.10?
[07:26] <knix_> sbalneav, yes
[07:27] <knix_> sbalneav, how do I reslove this?
[07:29] <sbalneav> Well, how many nics does your edubuntu box have?
[07:29] <LaserJock> mcsd: there is no root password in Ubuntu
[07:29] <knix_> sbalneav, 2
[07:29] <LaserJock> mcsd: the default user is ubuntu I *think*, although it could be different for edubuntu
[07:31] <sbalneav> knix_: What's the IP address of each of them?
[07:31] <mcsd> I installed the live cd to my harddrive creating a user called test
[07:32] <sbalneav> Then log in as the user test
[07:32] <sbalneav> That user will have admin rights.
[07:32] <mcsd> so I show test@test which means I have a user test that belongs to the test group right?
[07:32] <mcsd> so there is no root user by defualt?
[07:33] <sbalneav> No, there isn't
[07:33] <mcsd> !commands
[07:33] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:34] <knix_> well the one is which is DCHP on my network in my school is 10.5.5.2, and the dhcp-server on edubuntu is 192.168.0.254
[07:35] <sbalneav> mcsd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:35] <sbalneav> knix_: Have you been in here before for this?
[07:35] <knix_> maybe like a year agao
[07:36] <knix_> but my memory is shot
[07:36] <knix_> :)
[07:36] <mcsd> when I do a sudo passwd root does that create a root profile because it prompts for the root=test password then the password change
[07:37] <sbalneav> mcsd: Creating a root password isn't really recommended, but yes, that will enable root to log in.
[07:38] <sbalneav> knix_: What I'd do is, go into /etc/default/dhcp3-server, and set the interface to only be for the ethx that the terminals are on.
[07:39] <mcsd> so I dont have to use adduser I can just do passwd and assign a password and it will create that user by default...is this bad practice
[07:40] <knix_> sbalneav, i did that,
[07:40] <sbalneav> You haven't got the internet nic and the thin client nic connected to the same switches, do you?
[07:41] <knix_> nope, dif switches
[07:42] <sbalneav> So, what happens when you try to boot a thin client?
[07:42] <knix_> well if the dhcp-server fails to start, obviously nothing
[07:43] <LaserJock> mcsd: it's not the Ubuntu recommendation to enable the root password
[07:43] <LaserJock> but that's the way to do it if you want it
[07:43] <sbalneav> Well, when the dhcpd server fails to start, what messages do you get in /var/log/daemon.log?
[07:43] <knix_> let me check
[07:43] <sbalneav> mcsd: The root user already exists.  It just has the password disabled.
[07:44] <mcsd> does my user test have less permission than root?
[07:45] <knix_> no subnet declaration for eth0
[07:45] <LaserJock> mcsd: not really
[07:45] <LaserJock> mcsd: it does, but sudo allows you to "act" as root
[07:46] <sbalneav> knix_: Please paste the contents of your /etc/default/dhcp3-server, /etc/network/interfaces, and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebin.
[07:46] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[07:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:46] <knix_> i will, i have to setup for a meeting in a few minutes, ill brb
[07:46] <mcsd> which is what I should be doing anyway right?... I should never be loged in as root for security reasons rigjt
[07:47] <sbalneav> mcsd: It's best to run as root as little as possible.
[07:48] <sbalneav> I run an entire network of Ubuntu machines, and I don't have any root passwords set.
[07:48] <mcsd> sbalneav: thanks
[08:03] <Burgwork> mcsd: setting root passwords is a great way to get yourself into trouble
[08:06] <LaserJock> Burgwork: but .. but ... Linux has been doing it for years ;-)
[08:07] <Burgwork> LaserJock: ....
[08:13] <sbalneav> It's not so much as having a root password will get you into any MORE trouble, if it's a GOOD root password.  However...
[08:13] <sbalneav> Nothing you do as root is logged.
[08:13] <sbalneav> Whereas, EVERYTHING you do as sudo is logged.
[08:14] <sbalneav> So, if you muck something up, you can go back in the logs, and see what happened.
[08:14] <sbalneav> And, even better, sudo allows fine grained control over what commands
[08:14] <Burgwork> plus, if you have an employee leave, pulling root privs is so much easier
[08:14] <sbalneav> Yep
[08:15] <Burgwork> now I just wish that switches and routers could auth against ldap
[08:15] <sbalneav> And, in a branch office, I might decide to give the head secretary access to the lprm command, so that they can delete mucked up print jobs from anyone.
[08:16] <sbalneav> So, it just provides SO much more flexibility than the all-or-nothing root password.
[08:16] <LaserJock> exactly
[08:27] <knix_> sbalneav, i think the issue is with the subnet and netmask be for and ip of 192.168.0.254?
[08:30] <sbalneav> Can you paste /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/default/dhcp3-server, and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to the pastebin?
[08:31] <knix_> it will take some work, i have to email it to my self so please give me a second
[08:33] <sbalneav> sure
[08:34] <knix_> sbalneav, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12778
[08:35] <sbalneav> in your dhcpd.conf
[08:36] <sbalneav> should be "subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0"
[08:36] <knix_> yup, just realized that and changed it.
[08:36] <knix_> dhcp server is still failing
[08:37] <sbalneav> Also, uncomment authoritative.
[08:37] <sbalneav> Did you restart the dhcpd server?
[08:38] <knix_> sbalneav, yes, it fails
[08:38] <knix_> would you like to the log for the fail?
[08:38] <sbalneav> Yes, please
[08:39] <knix_> sbalneav, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12781
[08:41] <knix_> do i need to edit /etc/dhcpd3/dchpd.conf?
[08:42] <sbalneav> no, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[08:43] <sbalneav> What does ifconfig eth0 return?
[08:43] <knix_> the static ip does not show up
[08:45] <sbalneav> Well, that'd be a problem then.
[08:45] <sbalneav> What version of edubuntu are you running?
[08:45] <knix_> fesity beta
[08:45] <sbalneav> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[08:45] <knix_> y
[08:45] <sbalneav> NetworkMangler is borken
[08:45] <sbalneav> I have the same problem.
[08:46] <knix_> jesus christmas
[08:46] <knix_> hahahahahahaha
[08:46] <knix_> well i want to thank you for trying to help me
[08:46] <sbalneav> Wondered why you were having this, I assumed you were edgy
[08:46] <knix_> nah, i wanted to try the new one
[08:47] <sbalneav> Network Manager is currently screwing up static interfaces.
[08:47] <sbalneav> We are VERY aware of this problem :)
[08:47] <knix_> great
[08:47] <knix_> i am happy
[08:47] <knix_> i just wont use the inet
[08:47] <sbalneav> If you're looking for something to work NOW, then use edgy.  Otherwise, keep doing those updates. :)
[08:47] <knix_> how about x11vnc on feisty?  having that issue to?
[08:48] <knix_> roger
[08:48] <sbalneav> I haven't tried doing that, so if there are issues, I haven't seen them yet.
[08:48] <sbalneav> I know cbx33 put a lot of work into TCM, and it's supposed to work.
[08:48] <sbalneav> But I haven't gotten that far in my testing yet :)
[08:49] <knix_> ok, i install x11vnc on the server and it says that i have to install it on the client
[08:49] <knix_> God, i love the artwork for feisty
[09:30] <highvoltage> goodnight edubuntuland!
[09:30] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: goodnight
[09:30] <edubuntugirl> goodnight, highvoltage. I'll keep an eye out for the MS spies while you sleep.
[09:30] <highvoltage> great
[09:30] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: choose tomorrow will be a good day or tomorrow will be a bad day
[09:30] <edubuntugirl> I choose tomorrow will be a good day, highvoltage
[09:30] <highvoltage> makes sense, it is Friday afterall
[09:31] <LaserJock> wow, you really need a life ;-)
[09:32] <highvoltage> I think what I need is a good night's sleep, been only having 3-5 hours a night for the last week
[09:32] <highvoltage> LaserJock: http://jonathancarter.co.za/ubuntu-certified
[09:32] <highvoltage> ^^^^ in your face!
[09:33] <highvoltage> goodnight LaserJock
[09:33] <LaserJock> haha
[11:25] <telexicon> cool