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| owh | Greetings. I am trying to determine if the FAT as implemented by the kernel supports the dirty flag. I have conflicting information going back to 1998, but no definitive answer either way. I've looked in include/linux/msdos_fs.h where I would expect the definition. There is a mark_inode_dirty call in fs/fat/file.c, but I cannot see it relating to the boot sector in any way. Can anyone here enlighten me? | 04:22 |
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| owh | Some background: Initially bugs were being reported where dosfschk was checking clean file systems and changing them, causing all manner of grief. Some of the bugs are/have been fixed, but the check should never have happened in the first place. I wrote a spec to handle the (v)FAT flag for dosfschk but stayed away from kernel comments because I do not know the state. | 04:24 |
| owh | The spec was updated to comment about the kernel, but I now need to know for sure if it isn't supported, which is what it's beginning to look like. | 04:25 |
| owh | I suspect that once dosfstools implements dirty flags, that can then be used within the kernel, seeing that it doesn't currently appear to be there. | 04:38 |
| mjg59 | BenC: - pata_oldpiix: Stable, allows us to disable piix.ko IDE module. | 04:42 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Does that mean you've added IDs back to ata_piix that had been taken out previously? | 04:42 |
| mjg59 | I'd noticed a couple vanish | 04:42 |
| BenC | yes | 04:43 |
| BenC | I had shifted some back to piix because ata_piix was getting some weird errors | 04:43 |
| owh | Am I asking too much, in the wrong channel, at the wrong time? | 04:55 |
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| lifeless | owh: well, this is the ubuntu-specific kernel channel | 05:14 |
| lifeless | owh: I'm not sure that the folk here know the answers offhand. Though they may. | 05:15 |
| lifeless | BenC: any comment on owh's thing ? | 05:15 |
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| BenC | no idea | 05:16 |
| lifeless | owh: there you go. :) | 05:16 |
| owh | lifeless: Any suggestions where to ask? | 05:19 |
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| owh | I've been trying to track this down since January 2, I've sent emails to ubuntu-dev, ubuntu-dev-discuss, the maintainer of dosfstools, #ubuntu-motu, LP and here. I'm getting a whole lot of nada. | 05:25 |
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| owh | I'm happy to be patient, realise that people are busy with other things, but the response level I'm seeing is a little disheartening. | 05:27 |
| owh | How do I get this issue in front of the appropriate eye balls? | 05:28 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 06:09 |
| fabbione | BenC: you still awake? | 06:09 |
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| owh | It has just been suggested that I write the patch to implement FAT dirty flag support for the kernel. If I actually do that, how do I get someone to look at it? | 06:22 |
| owh | Do I bring it here and show it like a cat comes into your home with it's catch for the night? | 06:23 |
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| fabbione | owh: make a patch first :) then post it to kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com for review | 06:28 |
| fabbione | if the patch is good it will eventually land in Linus tree | 06:28 |
| owh | Excellent, now that's what I call progress. Thanks for that fabbione, that pays for the past four hours of banging my head against the keyboard. | 06:29 |
| fabbione | owh: you are only fighting against different people living in different TimeZones | 06:30 |
| fabbione | you can start complaining only after 48 hours of nobody answering (excluding the weekend ;)) | 06:31 |
| owh | :) | 06:31 |
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| raffytaffy | i have i915 chipset - ditching all the i810 and ati/amd stuff is safe correct? | 01:09 |
| Mithrandir | I wouldn't drop the i810 stuff, no | 01:15 |
| raffytaffy | ok thanks | 01:27 |
| raffytaffy | for character devices - ( im using nvidia go 6600) i dropped ATI and AMD, seems safe. i kept nvidia nforce/geforce | 01:28 |
| raffytaffy | im trying to configure my kernel to be minimal. | 01:32 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: There's a missing ! in the check for acpidata in ata_acpi_push_id | 03:34 |
| mjg59 | Sorry about that | 03:34 |
| BenC | mjg59: Yes, we caught that :) | 03:35 |
| mjg59 | Excellent | 03:35 |
| BenC | Tim is moving the check for !acpidata to skip_acpi_operation() | 03:35 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: did you see my question about whether we can include kqemu in feisty? | 03:36 |
| mjg59 | BenC: As long as he's arranging the order of checks so that doesn't dereference a null, that's fine | 03:36 |
| BenC | mjg59: Am I correct that the check for skip_acpi_operation() in do_drive_get_GTF() is bogus (already done from the calling function)? | 03:36 |
| mjg59 | BenC: do_drive_get_GTF is exported | 03:37 |
| mjg59 | Oh, sorry, no it's not | 03:37 |
| mjg59 | I was thinking of GTM | 03:37 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, in that case it can probably go | 03:37 |
| fabbione | BenC: i committed the fixes to OCFS2 local mount.. 3 small patches.. no ABI change | 03:39 |
| fabbione | BenC: we need to get those in feisty before relase | 03:39 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: Yeah, as soon as I get the ata stuff settled down, finish my ps3+powerpc64-smp merge, and do the nvidia 9631 stuff, I'll see if I can get to it :) | 03:52 |
| BenC | fabbione: We have an ABI bump anyway...thanks for the merges | 03:52 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: ok, cool. It was more of a "would it make sense" than "please do asap". | 03:53 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: I'd like to have it in there...the more virt stuff we have the better | 03:53 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: it seems that the problem with the live cd not working in qemu is limited to amd64; i386 works fine. | 03:53 |
| zul | BenC: I can look at the kqemu stuff if you want | 03:54 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: I heard there's problem with amd64 under vmware too...guess I need to check on that today | 03:54 |
| BenC | zul: Yes, please | 03:54 |
| Mithrandir | zul: it should be easy enough; the module builds fine as is, so it's just build-system integration. | 03:54 |
| zul | Mithrandir: sure no problem | 03:54 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: great, thanks. If you want bugs about this, then tell me. | 03:54 |
| mjg59 | BenC: I'm still trying to track down the HPA issue | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | That's basically a blocker to release | 03:56 |
| BenC | mjg59: April 4th is kernel freeze...I don't want to have to revert all the libata-pata drivers back to ide counterparts :) | 03:56 |
| kylem | mjg59, it doesn't work with piix or ahci, does it | 03:57 |
| mjg59 | Seems fine with ahci | 03:57 |
| mjg59 | Breaks on ata_piix on Apple hardware | 03:57 |
| kylem | can i get an lspci -vvnn from your MBP? | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | Not right this second, but what are you looking for? | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | The controller is 8086:27c4 | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | And it comes up with an IDE class, not an AHCI one | 03:58 |
| kylem | right. | 03:58 |
| kylem | that's fixable though. | 03:58 |
| kylem | ;-) | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | Subdevice code is an Intel one, not an Apple one | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | Otherwise it'd be really easy | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | So, yeah, one fix would be to bodge it over to ahci | 03:59 |
| mjg59 | And hope that we're only going to hit the issue on Apples | 03:59 |
| mjg59 | Though I suspect we still need to make udev smarter in initramfs-tools in order to guarantee that ahci binds rather than ata_piix | 03:59 |
| kylem | gnrrr. | 04:00 |
| kylem | i was hoping i could just install a pci quirk and check the dmi table for Apple | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | That ought to be fine | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | But the device ID is still present in ata_piix, so both will be loaded | 04:01 |
| mjg59 | And I don't think we have guarantees about which will bind first | 04:01 |
| mjg59 | So it's either (a) fix udev so that it doesn't load ata_piix unless the class ID is 0x0101, or fix ata_piix so it refuses to bind if the class id is 0x00601 (or whatever ahci is) | 04:02 |
| kylem | argh. | 04:02 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok .. | 04:03 |
| kylem | mjg59, i think my ich8 changes the devid too. | 04:04 |
| mjg59 | kylem: Really? Wow. ich6 and ich7 don't. | 04:04 |
| kylem | 1sec whiel i rboot | 04:04 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 04:04 |
| kylem | 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation Mobile SATA IDE Controller (rev 03) | 04:05 |
| kylem | turns into blah blah AHCI, and sets the prog-if doodly | 04:05 |
| mjg59 | And the device ID? | 04:07 |
| kylem | well, if the string changed, it's different, i didn't bother to save it | 04:07 |
| mjg59 | Which bit of the string changed? Just the "IDE interface" to "AHCI interface"? | 04:08 |
| mjg59 | If so, surely that's just because the class ID changed? | 04:08 |
| kylem | no | 04:08 |
| kylem | the device id. | 04:08 |
| kylem | *AND* the class id | 04:08 |
| kylem | 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Mobile SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) | 04:08 |
| mjg59 | Ah, got you | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, in that case it seems to change | 04:09 |
| kylem | this is what all implementations *should* do. | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | That doesn't seem to be the case for ICH7 and ICH6 | 04:09 |
| kylem | since rarely do we match on classid. | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | That's why ahci and ata_piix share a load of device IDs | 04:10 |
| kylem | have i mentioned how much i hate BIOS writers today? | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | Not helped by the fact that ata_piix will deliberately try to reprogram your ahci hardware back to piix mode | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | ahci has the class ID in it now | 04:11 |
| kylem | will to-be-driven-by-piix devices always be 0x0101? | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | Should be | 04:12 |
| kylem | hmm. ok. | 04:12 |
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| BenC | zul: You interested in doing a openvz package like the xen one for feisty universe? | 04:43 |
| BenC | zul: I can get you in contact with the openvz folks who seem ready to do just about anything to get it done | 04:43 |
| zul | BenC: sure | 04:44 |
| zul | whats one more | 04:44 |
| BenC | What's your preferred email? | 04:44 |
| zul | gmail account | 04:44 |
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| BenC | zul: Sent | 04:46 |
| zul | BenC: thanks | 04:46 |
| BenC | zul: No, thank you :) | 04:46 |
| zul | BenC: no thank you | 04:46 |
| zul | I can do this all day | 04:46 |
| BenC | hehe | 04:46 |
| shawarma | Any idea when the kernel in the ubuntu-server daily images will be updated? | 04:49 |
| shawarma | I'm unable to boot it in qemu and I suspect this bug: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/94637 | 04:49 |
| shawarma | ...which appears to have been fixed on the 23rd, but uname -v on the ubuntu-server daily image from yesterday says "Mar 21". | 04:50 |
| shawarma | Er.. Not unable to boot, but unable to access either emulated hard drive or cd-rom. | 04:50 |
| zul | BenC: depending on what happens with liam I can probably get it done this weekend | 04:52 |
| BenC | zul: sounds good | 04:52 |
| shawarma | BenC: ^^ | 04:53 |
| BenC | shawarma: what kernel is on that CD? | 04:54 |
| shawarma | 2.6.20-12-generic | 04:54 |
| shawarma | BenC: uname -v says:"Linux (none) 2.6.20-12-generic #2 SMPWed Mar 21 20:55:46 UTC 2007 i686 unknown" | 04:55 |
| BenC | shawarma: Guess it has to wait on debian-installer being rebuilt with the latest kernel | 04:56 |
| shawarma | BenC: That's it?I think I saw a new d-i on feisty-changes earlier today.. | 04:56 |
| shawarma | BenC: That would put it on the daily image for today? | 04:57 |
| BenC | either today or tomorrow | 04:58 |
| shawarma | BenC: Apparantly so. The changelog even says:"* No-change rebuild to pick up new components." | 04:58 |
| shawarma | :-) | 04:58 |
| shawarma | I didnt' make the connection for some reason. | 04:58 |
| shawarma | BenC: Great. Thanks for clarifying. | 04:59 |
| zul | BenC: http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2007/view_abstract.php?content_key=110 | 05:01 |
| BenC | zul: whack | 05:03 |
| shawarma | zul: Is that a Xen hypervisor as a module? | 05:03 |
| zul | shawarma: i think so I havent read the paper yet | 05:03 |
| shawarma | zul: Interesting. | 05:03 |
| shawarma | zul: Well... if you have the appropriate hardware, that is. :-( | 05:04 |
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| Lure | BenC: is current kernel in git in flux? it oops-es on boot here in ata code (scsi_error_handler)... | 06:48 |
| BenC | should be fixed now | 06:52 |
| BenC | git is always in flux | 06:53 |
| Lure | BenC: ok, expected | 06:56 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: could you take a look at 91009 and tell me what you think? | 07:19 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: well, we're using stock 2.6.20 wireless extensions, so if userspace needs to catch up, then that's what has to happen | 07:21 |
| BenC | I can't revert the kernel stack back, else we risk breaking dozens of drivers | 07:22 |
| Mithrandir | gnr, ok. | 07:22 |
| Mithrandir | oh well, let's go for it then. | 07:23 |
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| bdmurray | Is there any documentation about kernel hdX: command errors? | 07:39 |
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| cr3 | BenC: I seem to be experiencing the same problem as reported in bug #84603, should I log another bug, attach to the existing bug or would you even want me to try anything beforehand? | 08:13 |
| BenC | cr3: let me check | 08:14 |
| BenC | cr3: More dmesg might help | 08:16 |
| cr3 | BenC: shall I attach it to the same bug or to another bug? | 08:17 |
| BenC | same one | 08:17 |
| cr3 | BenC: I'm experiencing the problem on a System76 Z35F which is not exactly the same as the original poster, so I'll make sure to mention that in my comment. | 08:18 |
| BenC | cr3: Ok, then lspci -vvn output too please | 08:18 |
| BenC | compare notes | 08:18 |
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| cr3 | BenC: done | 08:28 |
| BenC | cr3: thanks | 08:29 |
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