[12:27] <asac> hmm
[12:27] <gnomefreak> maybe
[12:27] <asac> hard to say
[12:27] <gnomefreak> waiting
[12:27] <gnomefreak> got it
[12:27] <asac> does theme switch completely?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> crashed like a bad boy
[12:27] <asac> if it doesn't it will crash
[12:27] <asac> yeah cool :)
[12:27] <asac> or not so cool
[12:27] <gnomefreak> yes and freezes and than poof
[12:27] <asac> hmm
[12:27] <asac> so what plugins do you have installed?
[12:28] <asac> aeh codecs
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i guess ill look at crash report see what happened
[12:28] <asac> its the restyle crash
[12:28] <asac> almost certainly
[12:28] <gnomefreak> it was runing totem-gstreamer with the mad plugins and all the other popular ones
[12:29] <asac> hey
[12:29] <asac> so what do i need to install?
[12:29] <asac> totem-gstreamer? + ??
[12:29] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec
[12:30] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs
[12:31] <gnomefreak> dont need the xine packages
[12:31] <gnomefreak> you need bad and ugly
[12:31] <gnomefreak> pifdll and so on
[12:34] <asac> ok thanks i have to try in vm
[12:34] <asac> in chroot i cannot switch theme
[12:34] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[12:34] <asac> :/
[12:34] <asac> what?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> cant find main in stack
[12:34] <gnomefreak> it all looks like widget change crash
[12:35] <asac> widget change?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> is nsApp"run
[12:35] <asac> yeah
[12:35] <asac> its gtk_style_realize
[12:35] <asac> ?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> widget reset were alot of them
[12:35] <gnomefreak> yep it is
[12:36] <gnomefreak> thought that was fixed with totem in feisty
[12:36] <asac> that one is the most haevyweight bug in launchpad afaik
[12:36] <gnomefreak> i was expecting the background one
[12:36] <asac> no other bug has more dups :)
[12:36] <asac> 138
[12:36] <asac> or so
[12:36] <gnomefreak> sweet :)
[12:36] <gnomefreak> well not so sweet
[12:36] <gnomefreak> it was fixed in -xine but not in gstrreamer?
[12:37] <asac> actually i think we have 10-20% of crashes due to that
[12:37] <asac> another 20% due to crash on instant shutdown
[12:37] <asac> at least
[12:37] <asac> so its not sooo bad
[12:37] <asac> if we fix both, users should be really happy :)
[12:37] <asac> anyway ... both are hard to fix ;)
[12:37] <gnomefreak> we need to find a way to fix it bad
[12:38] <gnomefreak> it is totem that is cause right?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> we did get that far?
[12:38] <asac> yes ... it might be a mozilla deficiency
[12:38] <asac> but no other plugin has the same symptoms
[12:38] <asac> so totem should work around that
[12:38] <asac> probably much easier to understand
[12:38] <asac> then mozilla
[12:38] <gnomefreak> if at all possible fix for feisty and edgy but edgy is gonna be a maybe :(
[12:39] <asac> plugin code ... which is just too dangerous to touch i guess
[12:39] <asac> first we need to fix it
[12:39] <asac> everything else doesn't matter for now :)
[12:39] <asac> sad thing: i cannot work on it, because feisty doesn't work
[12:39] <asac> and totem plugin code has changed too much
[12:39] <gnomefreak> doesnt work?
[12:39] <asac> so its not worth evaluating this in edgy
[12:40] <asac> i can't install
[12:40] <asac> things
[12:40] <asac> i have to try in vm now
[12:40] <asac> if that doesn't work
[12:40] <asac> setup a i386 vm
[12:40] <gnomefreak> you have feisty in chroot?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> or main system
[12:43] <asac> interesting ... i got video
[12:44] <asac> feisty in chroot
[12:44] <asac> and vm
[12:45] <asac> but its rare
[12:45] <asac> i guess totem plugin is really borked
[12:45] <asac> it become even worse then before
[01:49] <gnomefreak> i ended up getting video on most of them just that one i didnt get
[02:08] <asac> yeah ... but if it does not work it won't until restart
[02:08] <asac> thats what i found
[02:09] <gnomefreak> after instaloling the codecs and shit yeah
[02:10] <gnomefreak> i cant stand stupid bugs that i tell people to report :(
[02:10] <gnomefreak> asac: you have 2.0.0.2 at all in edgy or feisty?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling this is a regression
[02:16] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: what firefox do you have?
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: let me check...2.0.0.2
[02:16] <gnomefreak> anyone have dapper?
[02:17] <asac> chroot
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> nope.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: can you move bookmarks in your bookmark menu?
[02:17] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: can you please try if totem-xine works for you?
[02:17] <asac> but please keep 2.0.0.2 :)
[02:17] <gnomefreak> asac: how far do you want that tested lol
[02:17] <asac> you are on feisty right?
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: sure. i was in the process of updating but did Crtl + C.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> i have 2.0.0.2 in edgy chroot :)
[02:17] <asac> cool
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yes i can
[02:17] <asac> edgy appears to be no problem
[02:18] <gnomefreak> you can without using organize?
[02:18] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: in the bookmark toolbar I can.
[02:18] <asac> you need totem >= 2.18
[02:18] <gnomefreak> just drag and drop a bookmark into a folder inside bookmarks :(
[02:18] <gnomefreak> wyf it dont work here either
[02:18] <Admiral_Chicago> not in the bookmarks menu item
[02:18] <gnomefreak> wtf even
[02:18] <gnomefreak> thats what i need to know
[02:19] <gnomefreak> without using organize
[02:19] <gnomefreak> im installing dappers firefox now to check but i dont remember being able to do that
[02:19] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: installing nov
[02:21] <asac> " I simply
[02:21] <asac> cannot move bookmarks using the bookmarks toolbar"
[02:21] <asac> what is reporter trying to do?
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: got a link to totem xine?
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i've got Version: 2.18.0-0ubuntu2
[02:26] <gnomefreak> move bookmarks inside the bookmark toolbar :)
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i installed totem-xine, do i need a plug in, its not in about:plugins
[02:26] <gnomefreak> something wrong with dapper repos in my chroot
[02:26] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: restart ff?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> update fixed it :)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> my hand is killing me :(
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i did, not there...od
[02:29] <gnomefreak> girlfreind thinks carple tunnel :(
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> probably. switch to dvorak layout
[02:30] <gnomefreak> dvorak?
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> if i restart Fx, it won't launch, but from command line it will
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> aoeuidhtnns are my home row
[02:30] <Admiral_Chicago> the most used key really
[02:31] <gnomefreak> Totem Web Browser Plugin 2.18.0
[02:31] <gnomefreak> i have it first in about:plugins
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> let me try again.
[02:32] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 97647
[02:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 97647 in firefox "Unable to organize bookmarks in firefox bookmark bar" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97647
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> still gails to launch....
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> fails*
[02:32] <gnomefreak> gonna try dapper when its done installing
[02:32] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: make sure its fully installed
[02:32] <gnomefreak> try to install it again
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> yep. doing that. also did apt-get build-dep firefox
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run for a sec
[02:36] <gnomefreak> rejected as normal behavour after testing dapper edgy feisty sid
[02:42] <gnomefreak> asac: i assigned you to bug 93546 per doko(matthias) i believe thats him
[02:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 93546 in openoffice.org "2.2(rc3) Openoffice.org Address data sources missing" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93546
[03:12] <gnomefreak> night everyone :0
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> someone want to reject bug #97196 for me
[07:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 97196 in firefox "In Feisty, Drag and Drop in Firefox Extension 'Zotero' is refused (works in Edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97196
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> we don't have that extension in our repos
[08:49] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yes will
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> ty asac
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> going to bed, seem to have found some bugs in Xfce for Mozilla
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> seems to be running as root, everything seems to be. not sure what it is, going to look at it tomorrow
[08:52] <asac> night
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> night
[08:56] <docvegan> hello
[01:31] <gnomefreak> asac: you around? i was reading logs in -bugs since i was highlited and the link that guy gave you crashes his browser?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[02:01] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[02:01] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 29 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 16:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 11:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team
[03:09] <gnomefreak> ok turning this back back over. can someone else please test this on edgy with either 2.0.0.2 or .3 bug 97429
[03:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 97429 in firefox "Login hangs for Kodak Firefox plugin" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97429
[03:37] <gnomefreak> asac: if i change the name of iceape in control, changelog is it as simple as re taring it with new name and building it again
[06:10] <asac> probably
[06:10] <asac> however branding will still be iceape
[06:51] <gnomefreak> ok cool i like that idea. :P i will try to build it with our changes tonight/tomorrow. its hard to type with these splints on
[07:13] <hjmf> asac: can we mark bug #71702 as upstream https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322131 cause it has the same backtrace
[07:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[07:13] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 322131 in Installer: XPInstall Engine "Invalid heap pointer on shutdown after installing venkman [@ libc.so.6 - JS_FinalizeStringRT()] " [Critical,New] 
[07:18] <hjmf> ...mmm not exactly the same stack, but quite close :/
[07:47] <asac> i will look when i come back (2h)
[08:12] <hjmf> k :)
[08:25] <hjmf> @schedule
[08:25] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 29 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 20:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 15:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team
[09:25] <gnomefreak> asac: devel meeting soon
[09:26] <gnomefreak> 35 minutes give or take schedule is wrong from what riddell said
[09:29] <gnomefreak> slow and typos expected
[09:43] <asac> gnomefreak: ty
[09:43] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:43] <asac> @schedule berlin
[09:43] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 29 Mar 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 22:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 17:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 13:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 20:00: Mozilla Team
[09:43] <asac> crazy
[09:43] <asac> thats late
[09:43] <gnomefreak> its wrong by an hour :)
[09:43] <asac> yeah ... moved back
[09:44] <asac> apparently
[09:44] <gnomefreak> its in 19 minutes
[09:44] <asac> no
[09:44] <asac> @time berlin
[09:44] <gnomefreak> because of time change
[09:44] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: March 29 2007, 21:44:15 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 1 hour 15 minutes
[09:44] <asac> i hope its in 15 minutes :)
[09:44] <gnomefreak> its in 15 minutes than
[09:44] <asac> really? see above
[09:44] <asac> 2300 is in 1.15 here
[09:44] <gnomefreak> its wrong fridge wasnt updated
[09:44] <gnomefreak> see #ubuntu-meeting
[09:44] <asac> ah ok
[09:45] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:45] <asac> what is with your hand?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> carple tunnel
[09:45] <gnomefreak> spelloing might be off
[09:45] <asac> ok i think i know what you mean :)
[09:46] <gnomefreak> 3 days of pain i finally went to dr.
[09:46] <asac> yeah ... be careful
[09:46] <asac> so it won't become chronic
[09:46] <gnomefreak> trying :)
[09:47] <gnomefreak> ill be in and out for the rest of week more than likely due to it
[09:49] <gnomefreak> brb reboot
[10:00] <gnomefreak> asac: is ftp.debian.org having issues?
[10:00] <asac> hmm
[10:00] <asac> try http://ftp.us.debian.org
[10:00] <asac> try http://ftp.de.debian.org
[10:00] <asac> try http://ftp.nl.debian.org
[10:00] <asac> :)
[10:00] <asac> ok meeting
[10:00] <gnomefreak> its slow if its working at all
[10:01] <asac> yeah ... use a mirror
[10:01] <gnomefreak> have fun :)
[10:01] <asac> main archive has often hevay load
[10:01] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:06] <gnomefreak> us worked ty
[10:11] <gnomefreak> :(
[10:28] <gnomefreak> people with low bandwidth leave or coredump so come up with a way to do it - coredump
[10:33] <gnomefreak> anyway that would save bandwidth and a crap load of work on us
[11:01] <asac> done
[11:01] <asac> yeah
[11:02] <asac> new is that crash reports will probably be disabled by default
[11:02] <gnomefreak> hmmm patches are failing
[11:02] <asac> for stable releases
[11:02] <asac> for development still on
[11:02] <asac> at least thats what I understand
[11:02] <gnomefreak> asac: thats not real good because we wont know what crashes
[11:03] <asac> the idea is to ask users that report good other bugs to enable it
[11:03] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm that isnt very supportable for new users
[11:03] <hjmf> not a bad idea, but we will loose a lot of fun :)
[11:03] <gnomefreak> they dont know what they are doing as it is
[11:03] <asac> crashes will happen for everyone
[11:03] <gnomefreak> hjmf: lose fun =- problems go unfixed
[11:04] <asac> actually ... for stable releases we don't do much about crashes anyway
[11:04] <gnomefreak> but as it is they ignore it
[11:04] <asac> they usually get only security fixes
[11:04] <asac> gnomefreak: most problems will go unfixed anyway
[11:04] <asac> :)
[11:05] <gnomefreak> im ok with it cutting down on bug reports but if we dont know of an issue we cant look forward to fix it in next release
[11:05] <asac> actually i am the opinion that we cannot do much for crashes where we have no way to reproduce
[11:05] <asac> we cannot even contribute info upstream
[11:05] <gnomefreak> crashes can be securtiy issues no?
[11:05] <hjmf> from what I've understand apport will be disable on stable by default, right?
[11:05] <asac> gnomefreak: yes :)
[11:06] <asac> actually might even be valid that every crash is at least a DOS security bug
[11:06] <gnomefreak> so we are relying on unrelyible users to inform us of problems
[11:06] <asac> however for firefox safe crashes don't count as security
[11:06] <asac> gnomefreak: we do so atm as well
[11:06] <asac> we just call them more aggressively in
[11:07] <asac> which i don't think will increase signal/noise ratio
[11:08] <asac> further, reporting a bug is not what every users should go through
[11:08] <asac> real beginners might even be get terrified by the bug mail that they receive afterwards
[11:08] <asac> just try to assume you have no idea what happens if you report a crash report
[11:08] <asac> you just want to help
[11:08] <asac> then suddenly you receive tons of mails
[11:08] <asac> about changed tags
[11:09] <asac> importance
[11:09] <asac> some obscure words about retracing
[11:09] <asac> e.g
[11:09] <asac> .
[11:09] <gnomefreak> yeah i know i see both sides of it
[11:09] <asac> imo if you use a stable distribution you should not be bothered with any such things
[11:09] <gnomefreak> im gonna have to disable all patches at this rate :(
[11:10] <gnomefreak> asac: agreed
[11:10] <asac> even crash report dialogs get too much in my way some times
[11:10] <asac> so lets try to gather as much as possible from development release users before release
[11:11] <asac> then shut-up ... just listen to advanced-users that explicitly opted-in to help us support stable releases
[11:11] <gnomefreak> even the users testing the dist. dont know wtf they are doing lol
[11:12] <gnomefreak> can i just drop all debians patches :(
[11:12] <asac> from what?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> iceape
[11:12] <asac> probably not
[11:12] <gnomefreak> its failing on ALL of them so far
[11:12] <asac> any patch touches the file the build feils in?
[11:13] <asac> how does it fail
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #81_free_art_improvements
[11:13] <asac> there is an iceape 1.1 package in experimental
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #82_homepage
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #82_locale
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #82_prefs
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #82_ssl
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #85_about
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #85_release_notes
[11:13] <asac> take that
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #85_syspref
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #85_useragent
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #15_gecko_1.8.0.11
[11:13] <gnomefreak> #99_configure
[11:13] <asac> ^^^^
[11:13] <gnomefreak> so far
[11:13] <gnomefreak> asac: doesnt build as of lastweek
[11:13] <asac> experimental?
[11:13] <asac> doesn't build?
[11:13] <asac> whats missing?
[11:13] <gnomefreak> oh maybe that was it
[11:13] <asac> probably xulrunner?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> one of them 1.1.1 didnt build and you knew about it
[11:14] <asac> yes ... but i talked to maintainer
[11:14] <asac> he insisted that current version is good
[11:14] <asac> i trust him in this regards
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ok ill try it again
[11:14] <asac> how does it fail?
[11:15] <asac> during compilation or missing dependency?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> dont rememeber
[11:16] <gnomefreak> its in experimental
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ill see what happens on test build without changes
[11:16] <asac> you build in feisty, right?
[11:16] <asac> ok try that
[11:17] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:17] <gnomefreak> ill play with it tonight for a bit. the pain wont let me sleep like it did lastnight im sure
[11:17] <asac> you might need latest xulrunner as well
[11:17] <asac> what version do you use?
[11:17] <asac> or doesn't it depend on libnss ?
[11:17] <asac> just try :)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ill let you know what i find if soon if not tomorrow
[11:18] <asac> Call for testing: HPLIP 1.7.3
[11:18] <asac> anyone has a printer?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> yeah i have hp printer :)
[11:19] <asac> then you are quite ahead of my
[11:19] <asac> i have none :)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> if you ping me tomorrow about it ill test it
[11:20] <asac> last one i gave away because i thought that printers are things of the past :)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> printer has come in handy for me
[11:20] <asac> was dropped on ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:21] <asac> yeah :) .... once a year i need to print something
[11:21] <asac> then i think ... damn, why don't you have a printer?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> im out for a bit its getting hard to type