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[12:29] <gandalf__> hello
[12:29] <gandalf__> How can I switch window manager from KWin to Beryl ?
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[02:27] <jjesse> evening Hobbsee :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> heya jjesse
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[04:26] <nixternal> argh, why does it download at a whopping 100kb/s for me with Kubuntu images?
=== nixternal just got a 64bit setup and I need some iso lovin'!
[04:28] <ajmitch> aw poor nixternal  :)
=== Jucato has his on beef with Umbrello...
[04:28] <ajmitch> 100KB/sec is luxury for me at times
[04:28] <nixternal> this is unfair. I am getting Ubuntu at 600+ kb/s
[04:29] <nixternal> I think that is a conspiracy
[04:29] <nixternal> I can get Ubuntu faster than Kubuntu
[04:30] <ajmitch> it is a conspiracy
[04:30] <ajmitch> an evil plot against you
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[04:46] <claydoh>  heh try using torrents for the alt-install iso for kubuntu, minimal seeders/leechers :)
[04:47] <Jucato> why torrent when you can rsync? :D
[04:47] <Jucato> j/k
[04:47] <Jucato> hi claydoh!
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[04:49] <lexual> Riddell: ping
[04:49] <Hobbsee> lexual: probably asleep
[04:49] <lexual> ok.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's ~4am in britain
[04:49] <lexual> Think I've found a bug.
[04:49] <lexual> Does other people's kcontrol->Peripherals->Monitor+display work?
[04:50] <Jucato> hm... anyone getting a language package being held back in today's updates?
[04:50] <claydoh> hello Jucato
[04:53] <claydoh> I get the held back package as well
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[07:55] <Jucato> wow! new k3b 1.0 splash screen looks really cool. :)
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[08:21] <freeflying> anyone can use the encryt\pt of kopete
[08:22] <freeflying> s/encryt\pt/encrypt
[08:41] <Jucato> excuzz me :D. what would be the -dbg package I need to produce debugging symbols for Umbrello?"
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[08:46] <Jucato> nvm... :)
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[08:48] <_StefanS_> mornings!
[08:48] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_!
[08:51] <_StefanS_> wassup?
[08:52] <Jucato> trying to compile Umbrello from svn...
[08:52] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[08:52] <Jucato> the current one in feisty doesn't include a fix yet for an annoying crash :(
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[11:30] <\sh> kwwii: I won't make it to linuxtag :( I won't get any holidays
[11:32] <Tonio_> \sh: :(
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[11:40] <\sh> but amu will be there afaik
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[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: leaving to zagreb in one hour, I'll let you know how was the conference, and will blog a bit about it to kubuntuise the planet ;)
[12:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: great, say hi to them from me
[12:06] <Tonio_> of course I will ;)
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[12:31] <Riddell> grr, k3b has annoying popup message on start
[12:32] <Riddell> Czessi, kwwii: how many CDs do you want for linuxtag?
[12:32] <Riddell> the answer is between 0 and 35,000 i386 and 17.000 amd64
[12:32] <Riddell> grr, k3b has tip of the day
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: noticed that, already on my todo ;)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: will fix tomorrow if I have time for this
[12:36] <Riddell> tonio never stops, even when on the other side of the continent!
[12:37] <Riddell> err, aren't you ment to be on a plane?
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, taking the train to paris in 15 minutes
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[12:39] <Tonio_> I am 10 minutes from the train station :)
[12:39] <Tonio_> 5 still have 5 minutes to prepare my lugage and I'm done :)
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[12:43] <Tonio_> this time I'm done, have a nice we all, seya !!!
[12:47] <Riddell> _Sime: guidance 0.8 contains no translations :(
[12:50] <Jucato> moin Riddell!
[12:51] <Riddell> hola Jucato
[12:53] <Jucato> Riddell: is there a possibility of sort of getting a more updated Umbrello in feisty? the current one crashes because of kde bug 140693
[12:53] <ubotu> KDE bug 140693 in general "crash anchor note to class" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140693
[12:53] <Jucato> dunno if the fix made it to the 1.5.61 release mentioned on Umbrello's homepage. but it's fixed from svn
[12:53] <Riddell> Jucato: patches welcome
[12:54] <Jucato> :D
=== Jucato wonders how to do that... :(
[12:59] <Riddell> apt-get source kdesdk; checkout kdesdk from 3.5 branch, diff -urN umbrello old-umbrello
[01:00] <Jucato> oops I just apt-get source umbrello only :/
[01:00] <Riddell> same tyhing
[01:00] <Riddell> thing
[01:01] <Jucato> ah ok. based on the bug report, only one file was modified to fix the bug. so I'm going to download that file from svn
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[01:13] <Riddell> _Sime: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/po.tar.gz
[01:18] <Jucato> Riddell: "apt-get source kdesdk",  "svn co -r631974 svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdesdk", "diff -ruN kdesdk kdesdk-3.5.6 > kdesdk-r631974.diff" <-- looks ok? the result is a massive diff (721,000+ lines)
[01:19] <Jucato> "Umbrello 1.5.61 corresponds to r631974 of the KDE SVN repository (branches/KDE/3.5/kdesdk).", so I checked out only that revision
[01:19] <Riddell> that'll include all the autotools foo
[01:20] <Jucato> oh shucks...
[01:20] <Riddell> run diff only on kdesdk/umbrello
[01:20] <Riddell> and run diffstat over that to see what you get
[01:20] <Jucato> will do.
[01:24] <Jucato> hm... 190,000+ lines now... :/
[01:24] <Riddell> pastebin the diffstat
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[01:26] <Jucato> hm... it included .svn folders?
[01:26] <Jucato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12904/
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[01:27] <Jucato> hi waylandbill!
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[01:28] <Riddell> find . -name .svn | xargs rm -r
[01:28] <Riddell> find . -name Makefile* | xargs rm -r
[01:30] <Jucato> that second command complained of "rm: missing operand". run diff -ruN again?
[01:30] <Riddell> sure
[01:31] <Jucato> diffstat looks better now :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12907/
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[01:34] <Riddell> remove the Makefile.in files from it
[01:34] <Riddell> also ChangeLog and VERSION
[01:37] <Jucato> ok
[01:38] <Jucato> in both copies?
[01:40] <Riddell> yes
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[01:42] <Riddell> hmm, how do I actually install wine?
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[01:43] <Jucato> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12910/
[01:43] <Jucato> from the repository? then use it from the command line like "wine foo.exe"
[01:44] <Jucato> oh there are still some Makefile.in files... remove all of those?
[01:44] <Riddell> what's the package though?  there's none called "wine"
[01:44] <Riddell> yes, purge all Makefile.in evilness
[01:45] <Riddell> find . -name Makefile.in | xargs rm
[01:45] <Jucato> !info wine feisty
[01:45] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.33-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9576 kB, installed size 44452 kB
[01:45] <Jucato> the package name is wine
[01:45] <Jucato> hehe evilness.. I presume makefile.in is for automake? :D
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[01:46] <Riddell> yes
[01:47] <Jucato> hehe :D
[01:47] <Riddell> I really can't see a package called wine
[01:47] <Riddell> I must be going mad
[01:48] <Jucato> um.. universe is enabled?
[01:48] <Riddell> yep
[01:49] <Jucato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12911/ wow now the diff is just 1171 lines long! :D
[01:49] <Riddell> ok, now edit that diff so it applies at level 1
[01:49] <Riddell> put in debian/patches and compile
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[01:50] <Jucato> ah... this is the tricky part :)
[01:51] <Jucato> oh krap... do we still have time for it until.. um... tomorrow? I think I deleted my pbuilder before I upgraded... :/
[01:51] <Riddell> oh, wine only exists for i386
[01:52] <Riddell> hmph
[01:52] <Jucato> oh you're on 64-bit?
[01:52] <Riddell> I am yes
[01:52] <Jucato> yeah forgot that little detail...
[01:52] <Riddell> me too
[01:52] <Riddell> tomorrow is fine
[01:55] <Jucato> hm... level 1 would be inside kdesdk-3.5.6? (the directory created by apt-get source kdesdk)
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[02:04] <Jucato> Riddell: you mean something like this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12914/
[02:04] <Jucato> a patch that you can use -p0 on?
[02:05] <Jucato> (just an example)
[02:06] <Jucato> hm... something's wrong.. I think I need more time to work on this :/
[02:10] <Jucato> lol I had it backwords!!!! should have been diff -ruN old new :D
[02:10] <Riddell> Jucato: -p1 best
[02:11] <Jucato> ah ok
[02:11] <Riddell> Jucato: like that is good
[02:12] <Jucato> so I just have to edit the .diff to remove the 0 level? in this case kdesdk-3.5.6/ or kdesdk/ ?
[02:14] <Riddell> Jucato: keep that
[02:14] <Riddell> it's good as it is
[02:14] <Jucato> ah kool :)
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[02:36] <Jucato> Riddell: while I'm waiting for pbuilder, just wanted to ask for clarifications: put the .diff into debian/patches, then run debuild -S, then pbuild the .dsc, then create a debdiff?
[02:36] <Riddell> Jucato: yes
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[02:36] <Riddell> Jucato: yep,  dch -i
[02:37] <Jucato> ah yeah I have to remember that. :)
[02:37] <Jucato> ok thanks. waiting for pbuilder :)
[02:41] <Riddell> _Sime, sebas: 0.8 uploaded
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[02:41] <sebbar> hi, is it normal to not have a shutdown splash in feisty yet?
[02:42] <sebas> Riddell: Rocking
[02:43] <Riddell> sebbar: no
[02:45] <sebbar> Riddel: any suggestions on how I could fix this? otherwise I'll just wait for final and do a new install, maybe it will help
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[03:05] <Riddell> sebbar: none especially, it could be a bug in kdm or could be usplash
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[03:20] <jjesse> wow lots of upgrades today, anything that changes anything major that might need to be documentated?
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[03:23] <Riddell> jjesse: k3b 1.0
[03:23] <sebas> Hm, yay.
[03:23] <Riddell> that should be out last major change
[03:23] <jjesse> Riddell: ok....
[03:23] <Riddell> oh and guidance 0.8 but that's mostly a version number change since we already had svn snapshots
[03:24] <Riddell> sebas: doesn't sound like a convincing yay?
[03:24] <jjesse> is there a reason that openoffice.org-help-en-us is marked as upgradable but no change is requested?
[03:24] <sebas> It was a "I'm a bit tired, but convinced" :-)
[03:24] <sebas> Returned from Oslo late at night and had a meeting early.
[03:24] <Riddell> anything nice happen in Oslo?
[03:25] <sebas> Yeah, meeting with TT, improved collaboration also on the non-technical front.
[03:25] <sebas> Like joint marketing when Qt is touched, for example.
[03:25] <sebas> (Yes, we haven't been doing that in the past)
[03:26] <Riddell> indeed we havn't
[03:26] <Riddell> apart from zack's blog :)
=== kwwii is amazed at how many kde icons ubuntu uses
[03:52] <Riddell> kwwii: in gnome?
[03:52] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, imagine that
[03:53] <Riddell> kwwii: like what?
[03:53] <kwwii> because tango defaults down to crystalsvg
[03:53] <Riddell> oh, right
[03:53] <Riddell> but only if it's installed
[03:53] <Riddell> which it isn't by default
[03:53] <kwwii> apparently lots of people are installing it though (I had a couple of bug reports about it)
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[03:56] <Riddell> yes, it'll be brought in by any kde programme
[03:56] <jpwhiting> hi all, anyone know where to put feedback about https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade ?
[03:56] <Riddell> jpwhiting: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/84717
[03:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:56] <jpwhiting> thanks
[04:03] <jpwhiting> duh, should have seen that on the page itself.....
[04:04] <jpwhiting> hey Riddell, I had similar to second from last on that feedback page, adding your repo since I have kde356 already didn't work well from adept
[04:05] <jpwhiting> put some funky y with umlaut after ./ in third column where edgy is for other repos
[04:05] <jpwhiting> but adding your repo to sources.list worked beautifully
[04:07] <jpwhiting> I guess this is all assuming you are the same person as kubuntu.org/~jriddell :)
[04:08] <Arby> jpwhiting: I've seen that occasionally as well.
[04:08] <Arby> never figured out what caused it
[04:08] <Arby> I wonder if it's some sort of character encoding thing
[04:08] <jpwhiting> I don't think I've added repos from within adept before, so maybe I did something wrong
[04:09] <jpwhiting> but it worked fine from cmd line...
[04:09] <Arby> it's not all repos, just sometimes
[04:09] <Arby> which makes it a pain to work out
[04:13] <jpwhiting> looks like my chinese support is causing issues also : apt.log: ackage openoffice.org-l10n-zh-cn has broken dep on myspell-dictionary-zh-cn
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[04:15] <bddebian> Heya
[04:15] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:15] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:20] <Riddell> jpwhiting: that's a bug in the edgy version of adept, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually
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[04:21] <jpwhiting> yeah, did that
[04:21] <jpwhiting> worked fine for getting the updater
[04:21] <Jucato> Riddell: btw, it's too late for Filelight 1.0 to get in feisty?
[04:21] <jpwhiting> now it seems kubuntu 7.04 doesn't have a couple openoffice chinese packages yet
=== Jucato has been getting broken language packages on feisty updates since yesterday...
[04:21] <jpwhiting> but that's ok, I'm removing them to get the upgrade, I don't use openoffice chinese stuff anyway
[04:24] <Jucato> yay pbuilder just finished!!
[04:24] <Jucato> um Riddell, question... the checkout I made of umbrello from svn corresponds to the 1.5.61 release. will that be a problem since it's a new version?
[04:34] <Riddell> Jucato: filelight would need to go through the universe uvf exception process
[04:34] <Riddell> Jucato: that's not a problem
[04:34] <Riddell> Jucato: might be an idea to have that VERSION file updated though come to think of it
[04:34] <Jucato> Riddell: ah ok. about filelight, I was kinda surprised that 1.0 wasn't in feisty. that version fixes that annoying crash on exit.
[04:35] <Jucato> VERSION file? the one that I deleted? :D
[04:36] <Riddell> Jucato: yep
[04:36] <Riddell> Jucato: if you want to take filelight through uvf exception I'd happily support that
[04:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:37] <Jucato> hope I have the guts and knowledge to go through it. I'll try
[04:49] <Jucato> Riddell: VERSION is just a text file that has "1.5.61" in it right? but where should I put it? :/
[04:50] <Riddell> where it currently is
[04:50] <Riddell> actually, don't change it
[04:50] <Jucato> but I deleted it earlier right?
[04:50] <Riddell> that version number scheme oliver uses is daft
[04:50] <Jucato> so it currently is in /dev/null :)
[04:51] <Riddell> you only deleted it for purposed of making the diff
[04:51] <Riddell> the final thing should start with a newly unpacked kdesdk source deb
[04:51] <Jucato> aaaah
[04:52] <Jucato> dpkg-source -x *.dsc ?
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[04:54] <Riddell> yes
[04:54] <Jucato> Riddell: thanks a lot. really appreciate the guidance. in the future, I'll really be reading the packaging guide :)
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[06:17] <dvwyngaa> hi all....
[06:17] <dvwyngaa> I need some support on the Kubuntu Upgrade tool...any takers?
[06:18] <Riddell> dvwyngaa: what's the problem?
[06:18] <dvwyngaa> follow the instructions as per the www ...it start with the disclaimer and then when I continue it doesn't exit...
[06:19] <dvwyngaa> the adept and the following error message pops up in the console...
[06:19] <dvwyngaa> can't load DistUpgradeViewKDE
[06:19] <dvwyngaa> error: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so: undefined symbol: _ZN11konsolePart8setPtyFdE
[06:19] <dvwyngaa> any ideas?
[06:19] <dvwyngaa> I run Kubuntu 6.10 with KDE 3.5.6
[06:20] <Riddell> dvwyngaa: i386?
[06:20] <dvwyngaa> yip...
[06:21] <Riddell> dvwyngaa: where did you get your upgrades from?
[06:21] <dvwyngaa> using repo: can't load DistUpgradeViewKDE
[06:21] <dvwyngaa> error: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so: undefined symbol: _ZN11konsolePart8setPtyFdE
[06:21] <dvwyngaa> sorry...
[06:22] <dvwyngaa> using http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/ ./
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[06:22] <Riddell> dvwyngaa: what does  apt-cache policy konsole  output?
[06:22] <dvwyngaa> let me have a look...
[06:25] <dvwyngaa> just too make sure this I obtain by "apt-cache policy"?
[06:26] <Jucato> "apt-cache policy konsole"
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[07:13] <dvwyngaa> Riddell: sorry mate...I back now...any ideas on the DistUpgrade tool problem?
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[07:33] <Jucato> Riddell: ping. debdiff from .dsc right?
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[07:44] <anti_pop> is it just me, or do people have issues launching amarok after latest updates ?
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[07:48] <Riddell> Jucato: yes
[07:48] <Jucato> Riddell: http://jucato.org/stuff/kdesdk_3.5.6.debdiff
[07:48] <Riddell> dvwyngaa: 17:22 < Riddell> dvwyngaa: what does  apt-cache policy konsole  output?
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[07:48] <dvwyngaa> Riddell: will get it now...
[07:49] <Riddell> Jucato: looks sane at a glance, will give it a try in a bit
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[07:49] <dvwyngaa> Riddell: it outputs: Installed: 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu13really3.5.5
[07:49] <Jucato> Riddell: thanks :)
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[07:59] <Riddell> dvwyngaa: hmm, I need to test those packages again
[07:59] <Riddell> dvwyngaa: although other people havn't had a problem
[08:00] <dvwyngaa> Riddell: no probs, mate...I feel tempted to just download the Feisty Beta ISo and re-install the notebook...
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[08:08] <jjesse> ok small question -- for feisty amarok should ask to install mp3 support when i try to play an mp3 correct?
[08:08] <jjesse> because it didn't
[08:16] <Mez_> what theme does KDE use for GTK apps by defualt (I installed ubuntu-desktop and now it looks all fugly
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[08:23] <Jucato> Riddell: going to bed now... but leaving Konvi open. I'll just read the backlogs if you have something to say about the debdiff :)
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[09:55] <Lure> Riddell: anybody taking care of bug 94353?
[09:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 94353 in cupsys "[feisty]  Some packages include files in usr/local or opt" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94353
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[10:36] <Tonio_> hi
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[10:40] <Lure> Tonio_: hi to Zagreb ;-)
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe :)
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: can't wait to see you tomorrow
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: my speech is at 12
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: I hope it'll be nice :)
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: but I'm unsure today....
[10:40] <Lure> Tonio_: I will arrive around 11:00 (6:15 is too early to catch the train ;-)
[10:41] <Lure> Tonio_: you will rock
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[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is I got the response from amazon
[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: NO!
[10:41] <Lure> Tonio_: job?
[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
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[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: first time in my life I get a "no" after an interview....
[10:41] <ypsila> moin
[10:41] <Tonio_> and that was english interview so........ :)
[10:42] <Lure> Tonio_: oh, well, bad for them ;-)
[10:42] <Tonio_> Lure: makes me doubt
[10:42] <Tonio_> Lure: well it was more management than technical stuff, maybe that's the reason for the no...
[10:42] <Tonio_> I have done management in the past, but I'm more a pure tech guy
[10:42] <Lure> Tonio_: I talked to Ante and he was concerned that I will hijack you and take you to Ljubljana on Sat night ;-)
[10:43] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe :)
[10:43] <Tonio_> why not :)
[10:46] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, if you have nothing to do tonight, you could sponsor two main uploads for me and allee ;-)
[10:47] <Tonio_> Lure: no I have to work on that presentation
[10:48] <Tonio_> Lure: tomorrow afternoon, I might have time
[10:48] <Lure> Tonio_: I thought it may be something like that... ;-)
[10:48] <Lure> Tonio_: no problem, I have subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors and will ping Riddell or imbrandon when around ;-)
[10:49] <Lure> Tonio_: tommorow afternoon we will drink some beers (or wine) ;-)
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe :)
[10:49] <imbrandon> Lure, i can look at them in a few minutes if you want ( eating dinner now )
[10:49] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_
[10:50] <Lure> imbrandon: great - bug 94353 and bug 75435
[10:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 94353 in gtk-qt-engine "[feisty]  Some packages include files in usr/local or opt" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94353
[10:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 75435 in digikam "Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible.  Was: usdigikam expects trash to be in ~/Desktop/Trash - causes error in Ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75435
[10:50] <Lure> imbrandon: both are simple packaging fixes
[10:50] <imbrandon> kk
[10:50] <imbrandon> give me about ~20 minutes to finish eating and i'll look/upload
[10:50] <imbrandon> ;)
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[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: hard to work with kpresenter.........
[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: but I can't do that on OOo, f I wanna support kde !
[10:52] <Lure> imbrandon: take your time ;-)
[10:53] <Lure> Tonio_: I would do it in Powerpoint ;-)
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[11:13] <Lure> hi toma
[11:13] <toma> hi Lure
[11:13] <Lure> toma: any plans with pop support in mailody?
[11:14] <Lure> at least in kde4?
[11:14] <toma> Lure: nope
[11:14] <toma> Lure: installing an imap server and fetchmail is not much work for you ;-)
[11:19] <Lure> toma: will akonadi provide pop plugin?
[11:19] <Lure> toma: so mailody -> imap -> akonadi -> pop
[11:20] <toma> Lure: i dont think so, it's mainly a storage area
[11:20] <toma> but i'm not 100% sure
[11:20] <Lure> toma: but you are right - local imap server is not that bad
[11:21] <toma> Lure: no, espcecially when you have a server something, you can easily add some webmail client for example
[11:22] <Tonio_> Lure: is that mailody so nice ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> Lure: what is the problem with kmail ?
[11:22] <Lure> Tonio_: yep - and code is nicer for hacking ;-)
[11:22] <toma> Tonio_: http://video.mailody.net/composer.mpeg
[11:23] <Tonio_> toma: bandwidth too slow at the hotel
[11:23] <Lure> Tonio_: I hate to depend on SW that is binary only or complex source code only ;-)
[11:23] <toma> hmm ok
[11:23] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[11:23] <toma> Lure: fdoving learned c++/qt on Mailody
[11:23] <Tonio_> Lure: I looked at a few mailody screenshot, it only looks like an imap client as many others
[11:24] <Tonio_> nothing "special" at the first approach
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[11:24] <Tonio_> toma: fdoving codes this ?
[11:24] <Tonio_> toma: I said "first approach" :)
[11:24] <Lure> Tonio_: toma is main author ;-)
[11:24] <Tonio_> toma: oups :)
[11:24] <toma> Tonio_: yep, fdoving and me
[11:24] <Tonio_> toma: and as I said, I didn't talk about the code
[11:25] <Tonio_> toma: is there any reason not to support pop ?
[11:25] <toma> Tonio_: yep, it's an imap client ;-)
[11:25] <Tonio_> toma: hehe ;)
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[11:25] <toma> but more seriously:
[11:25] <toma> i dont use pop, so i won't write support for it
[11:26] <Tonio_> toma: I can understand
[11:26] <toma> but if someone wants to add it, it can probably be done
[11:26] <Tonio_> but nowadays, lots of people are using both at the same time
[11:26] <Tonio_> using 2 separate clients can be a bit boring for them
[11:27] <toma> sure, but as i said, if you want to, you can setup a local imap server and fetchmail
[11:27] <toma> that is no rocket science at all
[11:27] <Tonio_> toma: but sorry for the insult, I'll test deeply and will give you complete feedback :)
[11:28] <toma> Tonio_: hehe, don't worry when i started Mailody I got far worse feedback
[11:28] <Tonio_> I hope it is better now :)
[11:28] <toma> ive some cool ideas about mail reading/writing in general, but first i've to do the basics
[11:29] <toma> but i'm writing it for myself, if anyone likes it and wants to use it: fine
[11:44] <Lure> imbrandon: 94353 already done by keescook
[11:45] <imbrandon> k
[11:53] <Lure> Tonio_: you presentation will be live tommorow: http://stream.grad.hr:8080/
[11:53] <Lure> Tonio_: http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/konferencija/
[11:54] <Tonio_> Lure: I know :)