[12:13] <DrX> LeeJunFan: /dev/sda5 (but I get error when trying to mount) /dev/sda6 I just created mounted fine
[12:13] <LeeJunFan> DrX: grep "sda5" /proc/mounts
[12:13] <digital_logic> dd if=/dev/sda5 bs=128k | bzip2 -z1c | split -b 2000m /output/files
[12:13] <digital_logic> should do it I think
[12:14] <digital_logic> but you'd have split bzip2 files which might be goofy to deal with
[12:14] <digital_logic> dd if=/dev/sda5 bs=128k | bzip2 -z1c | split -b 2000m /output/files.bz2
[12:14] <digital_logic> would be better
[12:14] <stdin> bzip2 can take ages tho
[12:14] <DrX> dd if=/dev/sda5 of=- | zcat - > backup.gz didn't work
[12:14] <DrX> says unexpected end of file
[12:14] <DrX> (stdin)
[12:15] <DrX> I'm ok not breaking it up...
[12:15] <digital_logic> alrighty
[12:15] <digital_logic> dd if=/dev/sda5 bs=128k | bzip2 -z1c >/output/file.bz2
[12:16] <stevethepirate> Anyone know of a good dc client?
[12:16] <digital_logic> gzip would go faster, but I *KNOW* the options are diffrent between the osx version and the one that kubuntu has (I'm on osx now, so I can't test it for you, bzip2 on the other hand is the same)
[12:16] <digital_logic> and I know the command above works
[12:17] <digital_logic> (granted I was testing it with a 3Gb file of the letter 'a', which I'm sure isn't what your sda5 is full of, but that's not the point)
[12:18] <ssickle> So does the kubuntu live CD installer not support using LVM?
[12:18] <ssickle> I just tried to install the feisty beta and couldn't find the LVM option in the partitioner.
[12:18] <ssickle> I ended up falling back to the console based install.
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> digital_logic: 3GB of the letter a? Are you making zip bombs for your enemies?
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> :)
[12:20] <stdin> ssickle: I think you'd need the alternate cd for that
[12:20] <digital_logic> no, it was to test a c program I was trying to get working that would simply report filesize.
[12:20] <digital_logic> (it didn't work because I can't figure out a coherent way to handle numbers larger than long int)
[12:21] <ssickle> I was using the DVD installer.  Last time I used the alternative cd I had to use console install for LVM as well.
[12:21] <DrX> bzip2 ?
[12:21] <ssickle> I just wondered if the feature was supposed to be added for the feisty graphical installer?
[12:21] <digital_logic> bzip2 is like gzip, but better
[12:21] <DrX> does it create a gz file?
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> DrX: no, it creates a .bz2 file, it's compressed more.
[12:22] <digital_logic> and somewhat slower (though int he command I gave you, it is set to level 1, meaning it will go as fast as it can)
[12:22] <DrX> why do you suppose I can't mount /dev/sda5 but the contents work?
[12:22] <digital_logic> but just about anything that can decompress gz, should have some way to decompress bz2
[12:22] <digital_logic> confused partition table?
[12:22] <digital_logic> gophers?
[12:23] <stdin> ssickle: ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:23] <DrX> i gather bz2 can unzip, right?
[12:23] <digital_logic> yes
[12:23] <DrX> y, but confused partition table = contents don't run, right?
[12:23] <ssickle> stdin: ok thanks.
[12:23] <digital_logic> I have no idea why it wouldn't.
[12:24] <DrX> I'm wondering if Xen overwrites the ext3 formatting when you select a block device?
[12:24] <AZNSLD> chmod... what is the other one?
[12:24] <AZNSLD> chgrp?
[12:24] <digital_logic> physically the drive still works, so dd can read it, it will just make an image that is just as screwed up as the original
[12:24] <digital_logic> however, then you can work on getting the original to work again, and not have to worry about obliterating your data completely
[12:25] <stdin> AZNSLD: chgrp changed the group only, chown can change the owner group (or just the owner)
[12:25] <AZNSLD> Is the another one?
[12:25] <digital_logic> (and since 'not mounting' could be being casued by a good number of things, its a good idea to back up the drive in its current mangled state before trying to fix it, and possibly making things worse)
[12:25] <Edulix> yeah I never use chgrp :P
[12:25] <digital_logic> chdir?
[12:25] <digital_logic> sounds familar anyway
[12:26] <Edulix> AZNSLD: it's another command
[12:26] <digital_logic> chroot?
[12:26] <digital_logic> chpants?
[12:26] <Edulix> chown!
[12:26] <Edulix> :P
[12:26] <digital_logic> I thought you said that one....
[12:26] <digital_logic> oh, no that whas chmod
[12:26] <eagles0513875> does anyone have a link to a wiki on how to install and config dhcp server
[12:26] <DrX> digital_logic: this takes a while, huh?
[12:26] <digital_logic> its a 60G drive?
[12:26] <digital_logic> being backed up to what?
[12:26] <digital_logic> another internal harddrive?
[12:27] <frutax> when i try to install libqt3-mt-dev with apt-get i get the following error: Depends: libcupsys2-dev but it is not going to be installed. what should i do to fix it? im using edgy
[12:27] <digital_logic> you *DID* put in the bs=128k though didn't you?
[12:27] <DrX> it's a 250GB drive partitioned, copying 60GB /dev/sda5 to /dev/sda6 with bzip
[12:27] <digital_logic> (or anything larger than ~16k)
[12:28] <eagles0513875> does anyone have a link to a wiki on how to install and config dhcp server
[12:28] <digital_logic> how much free space is on sda6?
[12:28] <DrX> no, I used dd if=/dev/sda5 | bzip2 -z1c >sql-xen-vm (the other commands were throwin errors)
[12:28] <DrX> 60GB
[12:28] <digital_logic> bs=(something) *MAY* make it go much faster
[12:29] <DrX> obviously, it's slower b/c it's reading & writing to the same drive, but I have a mirrored pair w/ HW RAID 1 so it should be writing to one while reading from the other
[12:29] <digital_logic> (since the default block size is something teeeny, and drives because of how they work (and subsequently how dd does things linearly) reading in larger hunks then being able to compress them that way too can make it go much faster
[12:30] <eagles0513875> does anyone have a link to a wiki on how to install and config dhcp server
[12:30] <digital_logic> eagles: APPARENTLY NOT.
[12:31] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:31] <stdin> !repeat | eagles0513875
[12:31] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[12:31] <digital_logic> you can usually find that stuff with reasonable ease on google
[12:32] <DrX> digital_logic: oddly, when I ls in another terminal i see nothing, should I be seeing at least one file now?
[12:32] <coty_> !wifi
[12:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:33] <stevethepirate> How do i add a harddrive with read and write access?
[12:33] <stevethepirate> *Ntfs
[12:33] <digital_logic> you're sure that >(thefileyouentered) is ON sda6?
[12:34] <stdin> !ntfs-3g
[12:34] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:34] <digital_logic> because it may just be writing to $HOME
[12:34] <stdin> stevethepirate  ^^
[12:34] <digital_logic> (your user dir)
[12:35] <coty_> does anyone know when they will have 6.10 for shipit
[12:35] <DrX> i did mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/mountpoint; cd /mnt/mountpoint; dd if=/dev/sda5 ... of=sql-xen-vm
[12:35] <stdin> coty_: they won't
[12:35] <coty_> why
[12:35] <stevethepirate> Ya. Got that.. Already.. Just forgotten how to -see- which harddrive dev to add..
[12:35] <stdin> coty_: the next version on shipit will be the next LTS release
[12:35] <coty_> stdin: which is
[12:36] <coty_> stdin: when will it be out
[12:36] <stdin> coty_: nobody knows yet
[12:36] <coty_> stdin: so it might be a newer version?
[12:36] <stdin> coty_: maybe 8.04
[12:36] <hellokthulu> Hello, *...
[12:36] <frutax> ok perhaps more clues to my problem could be found trying to solve this: when i try to apt-get install kde-devel, the following packages have unmet dependencies: kdesdk, libarts1-dev, kdelibs4-dev, kdebase-dev, libkonq4-dev...what's my problem?
[12:36] <coty_> stdin: sweet
[12:36] <digital_logic> DrX you should have seen the fiile be created as soon as you started the command
[12:36] <coty_> stdin: so i have to wait a year
[12:36] <DrX> am I wrong to presume >sql-xen-vm will go to the current device?  should I have done >/mnt/mountpoint/sql-xen-vm ?
[12:36] <hellokthulu> Anyone know why Firefox would suddenly be unwilling to start up?
[12:37] <digital_logic> which leads me to beleive that it isn't being redirected to the right place, *or* something else is wrong
[12:37] <digital_logic> Drx: no, that's right (it should)
[12:37] <coty> stdin: I cant figure out how to upgrade to the new 7.04 without the cd
[12:37] <AZNSLD> What are iptables?
[12:37] <coty> stdin: could you help me
[12:37] <digital_logic> I dunno why it shouldn't.
[12:37] <DrX> digital_logic: hmmm, I started it briefly w/o bzip & it did create a file, but now nothing
[12:37] <digital_logic> *isn't
[12:37] <stdin> coty: look at the /topic
[12:37] <digital_logic> it deleted it?
[12:37] <digital_logic> ?!
[12:37] <AZNSLD> Could some one help me with the firewall..
[12:37] <AZNSLD> ?
[12:38] <DrX> found it ... it's creating it in /etc
[12:38] <Yorokobi> hellokthulu, run firefox from the command line and see what error it tosses out.
[12:38] <coty> stdin: ?
[12:38] <eilker> AZNSLD> what u need ?
[12:38] <digital_logic> that's inventive.
[12:38] <hellokthulu> AZNSLD: You'll probably want to track down a 'iptables' tutorial... ask Google...
[12:38] <AZNSLD> umm
[12:38] <DrX> good thing I've got 10GB free
[12:38] <Yorokobi> AZNSLD, or shorewall
[12:38] <hellokthulu> Yorokobi: It does nothing, no errors, just returns instantly.  ps can't find anything...!
[12:38] <eilker> !guarddog
[12:38] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:38] <stdin> coty: "The channel topic is "Kubuntu Support Channel | Beta! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php | Test edgy->feisty upgrade https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade ..."
[12:38] <AZNSLD> I want to get apache2 working on my computer
[12:38] <digital_logic> if you wantt to stop it, nothing bad will happen (youd' just have to start over)
[12:38] <AZNSLD> but I cant figure it out
[12:38] <digital_logic> but you could add bs=128k and it should go a bit faster
[12:38] <coty> stdin: i hae tried
[12:39] <Yorokobi> hellokthulu, have you recently installed any new extensions (or upgraded them)?
[12:39] <coty> stdin: i dont think i did it right
[12:39] <eilker> AZNSLD> is it installed, if so ,      sudo   /etc/init.d/apache2
[12:39] <samir85> Hey guys, I just installed Kubuntu Feisty. Do you have any idea why qtpart says my usb harddrive is status hidden ?
[12:39] <digital_logic> DrX: be back in a bit.
[12:39] <Yorokobi> !apache | AZNSLD
[12:39] <ubotu> AZNSLD: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[12:39] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...how do I get SMP to work?
[12:39] <hellokthulu> Yorokobi: Hmmmm, I think the recent upgrade did an update to 1.5.0.11 (?)
[12:39] <stdin> coty: just follow the instructions from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade , should be fine
[12:39] <hellokthulu> Don't think I had any extensions  installed.
[12:39] <Yorokobi> hellokthulu, that's a pretty old version of FF
[12:39] <DrX> digital_logic: by upping the -z1c  to a higher level of compression, how much space would I save versus how much extra time?
[12:40] <hellokthulu> Well, this machine is running Dapper.
[12:40] <digital_logic> little space, and LOTS of time
[12:40] <coty> stdin: i have
[12:40] <Yorokobi> heh, upgrade :)
[12:40] <hellokthulu> heh :-)
[12:40] <coty> stdin: they make no sense
[12:40] <samir85> I cannot see my usb harddrive, even though I can see it in qtparted. Can somebody help me ?
[12:40] <Sanne> frutax: can you paste the full output of your installation attempt to paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[12:40] <digital_logic> (though actually it depends on the files)
[12:40] <stdin> coty: what part are you stuck on?
[12:40] <hellokthulu> Yorokobi: Any other ideas?  Konqueror starts up fine and hits the net fine...
[12:40] <coty> the begging
[12:41] <coty> begining
[12:41] <coty> all
[12:41] <coty> of it
[12:41] <Yorokobi> hellokthulu, you could try reverting to a previous install/release
[12:41] <stra> !phpmyadmin
[12:41] <hellokthulu> Yorokobi: Cool, how do I do that?
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phpmyadmin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <Yorokobi> hellokthulu, do you have synaptic (or kinaptic) installed?
[12:41] <hellokthulu> Yup
[12:41] <stra> adept
[12:42] <hellokthulu> synaptic, at lesat
[12:42] <LeeJunFan> DrX: btw - if you want to watch the progress start another shell and do this: while [ 1 ]  ; do kill -USR1 `pidof dd` ; sleep 3s ; done    then switch back to the shell where dd is running and it'll output progress
[12:42] <hellokthulu> *least
[12:42] <Yorokobi> hellokthulu, find firefox in synaptic, highlight it and then use Ctrl-E and pick out an old version
[12:42] <hellokthulu> THANKS!
[12:42] <hellokthulu> I'm on it :-)
[12:42] <DrX> LeeJunFan: it shows 0 blocks, that's not good
[12:42] <stra> !3d
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:43] <DrX> LeeJunFan: does bzip2 create an intermediate file?
[12:43] <LeeJunFan> DrX: no, it'll use as much ram as possible - then should flush to the file.
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> DrX: it sounds like dd isn't even reading anything if it says 0 blocks.
[12:44] <bronze_0_1> Anyone know, (or know where I can find out), if/when kubuntu is going to adopt Firefox 2.0?
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> DrX: I happen to be wiping a 120G hd right now with dd, watching my progress in the same way.
[12:44] <DrX> LeeJunFan: yeah, and ls -s -S doesn't show any large & growing files either
[12:44] <stdin> bobbyd: it already has
[12:44] <stdin> bronze_0_1:  it already has
[12:45] <pollyo> I'm installing ubuntu gnome inaddition to kde can I use either update system to update my entire system?  Are they just shells for apt-get?
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> DrX: are you root in the shell you started dd from?
[12:45] <pollyo> Are they just gui's for apt-get?
[12:45] <Sanne> pollyo: basically yes
[12:45] <DrX> LeeJunFan: no, I'm in a second shell
[12:45] <bronze_0_1> stdin: so I can just apt-get install firefox to get it?
[12:45] <hellokthulu> bronze_0_1: It's in 6.10
[12:45] <LeeJunFan> DrX: I mean - did you run dd as root?
[12:45] <stdin> bronze_0_1: you on edgy or dapper?
[12:45] <DrX> LeeJunFan: yes
[12:45] <Sanne> pollyo: synaptic (gnome) will have a log of only what you installed through itself, though.
[12:46] <bronze_0_1> stdin: umm Idunno.  (blushes)
[12:46] <DrX> it shows the output file, but it's 0 blocks & no files are present that are growing
[12:46] <LeeJunFan> DrX: and in the shell you ran the line I gave you you also need to be root.
[12:46] <pollyo> Sanne: Oh...
[12:46] <stdin> !version | bronze_0_1
[12:46] <ubotu> bronze_0_1: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[12:46] <pollyo> Sanne: Will that impact updates?  Also will adept be able to see anything installed with synaptic?
[12:46] <DrX> LeeJunFan: I've got 3GB of RAM, but that won't cover 10-60GB of data
[12:46] <LeeJunFan> DrX: as a normal user you can't send a kill signal to a process owned by root ( your dd)
[12:46] <bronze_0_1> dapper
[12:47] <bronze_0_1> 6.06
[12:47] <stdin> pollyo: they both use the same datebase, I use both all the time
[12:47] <stdin> bronze_0_1: you'll need to enable backports then
[12:47] <pollyo> stdin: Ok.
[12:47] <DrX> LeeJunFan: should I stop this and restart the job to /mnt/mountpoint (/dev/sda6)?
[12:47] <stdin> !backports
[12:47] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[12:47] <Sanne> pollyo: yes, the synaptic log is not the overall apt/dpkg log, it's just a conveinience for the user. The system install logs are in /var/log/dpkg*.log
[12:47] <LeeJunFan> DrX: what's the line you're using again to create the backup?
[12:47] <bronze_0_1> stdin: thank you
[12:47] <stdin> :)
[12:47] <aaroncampbell_> Once I have selected an installed the beryl packages, how do I start them, and see how they work?
[12:48] <kings> hello
[12:48] <neil__> beryl-manager starts beryl
[12:48] <stdin> aaroncampbell_: start beryl-manager
[12:48] <neil__> itll be obvious if its working :(
[12:48] <neil__> :)*
[12:48] <kings> anyone got a speedtouch modem ?
[12:48] <DrX> dd if=/dev/sda5 | bzip2 -z1c >sql-xen-vm
[12:48] <kings> I have a connection but I cant ping anything
[12:48] <kings> Im a little confused - I think its something to do with my network configuration or something
[12:49] <pollyo> BBL
[12:49] <aaroncampbell_> stdin: is that going to be in a menu somewhere?  Or should it be run from a prompt?
[12:49] <DrX> LeeJunFan: drive lights are flashing drive 0 then drive 1 as I would expect on RAID 1 pair
[12:49] <Enfilade> How do i run alsaconf in feisty?
[12:50] <stdin> aaroncampbell_: Kmenu -> System -> Beryl Manager (should be there, if not just press Alt-F2 and type beryl-manager in)
[12:50] <claud> in kubuntu 7.04 how do i make beryl my default window manager?
[12:50] <stdin> kings: what can't you ping? what have you tried pinging? are there any other network issues?
[12:51] <stdin> claud: Feisty question/support in #ubuntu+1
[12:51] <Yorokobi> claud, create a symbolic link to beryl-manager in your .kde/Autostart directory
[12:51] <stdin> Enfilade: Feisty question/support in #ubuntu+1
[12:51] <DrX> LeeJunFan: guess what?  now there's a large and growing file on /mnt/mountpoint (you must have been right that it was using RAM first, then it must have flushed the file when it ran out of space)
[12:51] <Enfilade> Cheers
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> DrX: odd, that line should work, I just tried it with /dev/zero as a test.
[12:51] <kings> stdin, hi - i can only seem to ping the P-t-P:195.112.5.30 - whatever that is
[12:51] <claud> yes.. but i have kubuntu :)
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> DrX: cool.
[12:52] <stdin> claud: doesn't matter
[12:52] <claud> k
[12:52] <claud> 10x
[12:52] <DrX> LeeJunFan: is there a way to estimate completion time?
[12:52] <aaroncampbell_> stdin or neil__ : It works fine...but it removed all my close/minimize buttons
[12:52] <digital_logic> DrX: back
[12:52] <kings> stdin, I followed the speedtouch guide on ubuntu and when I run the script I get a successful connection apparently - but I cant ping google by name or by ip address
[12:52] <digital_logic> Yes, you can get the current speed from DD
[12:52] <stdin> aaroncampbell_: try minimising and restoring the windows (from the taskbar)
[12:53] <kings> stdin, I get connect: Network is unreachable
[12:53] <digital_logic> then using a pencil & calculator you can figure out how much longer  (since you *KNOW* the drive is 60gb
[12:53] <aaroncampbell_> I can do that...but the buttons don't return
[12:53] <stdin> kings: but you can connect to google?
[12:53] <digital_logic> kill -s SIGINFO {dd's PID}
[12:53] <Yorokobi> AaronCampbell_ it may be because of the emerald theme you're using. Right click the beryl-manager icon in the sys tray and go to emerald settings
[12:54] <stdin> aaroncampbell_: I found that if I waited for a while, they came back
[12:54] <Yorokobi> and pick a different theme
[12:54] <digital_logic> though, for some reason SIGINFO dosen't seem right...
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> DrX: it's tough, that's what that while.... line should do for you. At least to some degree, normally it outputs lines showing dd's progress like: 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 50.3547 seconds, 20.8 MB/s
[12:55] <digital_logic> all versions I've seen have done EVERYTHING in bytes, and based copyied data on the size of the bs=# parameter
[12:55] <stdin> digital_logic: kill -USR1 [pid of dd]  shows the info
[12:55] <digital_logic> since I don't think you set one, I can't say for certian what you're systems default blocksize is
[12:55] <aaroncampbell_> Yorokobi: I don't have an icon for it in the tray.
[12:55] <aaroncampbell_> stdin: I guess we'll see
[12:56] <Yorokobi> AaronCampbell_, no? it looks like a red diamond
[12:56] <kings> stdin, nope cant connect to anything at all
[12:56] <Yorokobi> Try K -> Settings -> Emerald Theme Manager
[12:56] <stdin> what does ifconfig show?
[12:57] <stdin> kings: ^
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> digital_logic: yeah, it only updates at new blocks, so dd will show 0 bytes until it's done with a block.
[12:57] <Yorokobi> I presume you're using emerald and not one of the others
[12:57] <DrX> LeeJunFan: no chance it will corrupt the dd backup?
[12:57] <aaroncampbell_> Yorokobi: nope
[12:57] <LeeJunFan> DrX: no, as long as you only use -USR1
[12:57] <AZNSLD> hey
[12:57] <AZNSLD> aznsld@aznsld-desktop:~$ apache2
[12:57] <AZNSLD> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[12:57] <AZNSLD> (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[12:57] <AZNSLD> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[12:57] <AZNSLD> Unable to open logs
[12:57] <AZNSLD> what does all this mean?
[12:57] <kings> stdin, I have a ppp0 connection with my static ip in it
[12:57] <neil__> Hey, I removed kde and reverted back to ubuntu, but beryl still sees kwin as being installed..
[12:58] <neil__> how do i remove it?
[12:58] <stdin> AZNSLD: if you read the lamp help page, it tells you
[12:58] <AZNSLD> oh ok
[12:58] <AZNSLD> ty
[12:58] <kristjan_> what is the proper way to report a bug? Do I have to navigate to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs or filling a bug report in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs is enough then using feisty e.g.?
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> !bugs
[12:58] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:58] <stdin> kings: static? have you set a gateway IP?
[12:58] <kings> stdin, where do I set that ?
[12:59] <stdin> kristjan_: just https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs , as the bug will be filed against the latest version, just mention you're on feisty
[12:59] <bronze_0_1> stdin - update FF2.o was found in the backports repo for edgy, but not dapper (still on 1.5).  It would be foolish of me to install FF2.0 from edgy on dapper, right?
[12:59] <kristjan_> LeeJunFan: so it is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs - then what for is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs made available?
[01:00] <stdin> kings: System Settings -> Network Settings, routes tab
[01:00] <DrX> block size = 7660 bytes?  (60G / ending 24021 - beginning 16189), sound right?
[01:00] <stdin> bronze_0_1: very, if it's not on dapper, then it's because it doesn't work on dapper
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> kristjan_: it's just the build of the page, if you file against a certain release and it's not fixed then your bug won't carry over to the next version. So it's best to file against ubuntu alone.
[01:01] <bronze_0_1> stdin: roger.  Thanks.
[01:01] <eilker> is there a way to use ubotu on my desktop ? when i am not on irc too, i like ubotu too much, i wanna know as much as it :D
[01:01] <kings> stdin, oh in gnome
[01:01] <kings> stdin, im in gnome
[01:01] <bronze_0_1> eilker: try asking it out on a date, maybe it'll come home with you after. :-)
[01:01] <stdin> bronze_0_1: I think I saw a howto to get it working tho, let me look...
[01:02] <eilker> bronze_0_1> :D , btw how is your system ? could u set it up ?
[01:02] <stdin> kings: ask in #ubuntu then, I don't/won't use gnome so I don't know the place to go to
[01:02] <bronze_0_1> eilker: um, which one? :)
[01:03] <manfred__> test
[01:03] <bronze_0_1> eilker: i.e. what was I trying to do?  I have 5 or 6 machines continuously being torn up/down. :)
[01:03] <eilker> bronze_0_1> u obviously  have many : ) u were talking about 5-6 computer deployment etc..
[01:03] <eilker> yeah it is :)
[01:03] <bronze_0_1> It do get confusing.
[01:03] <stdin> bronze_0_1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:03] <DrX> LeeJunFan: the while didn't work ... probably the wrong process ID?
[01:04] <bronze_0_1> stdin: Great!  thank you again.
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> DrX: did you get an error?
[01:04] <LeeJunFan> DrX: that line is copied and pasted from what I'm running here. remember you need to become root first sudo -s ; then run the while ....
[01:05] <DrX> kill: pidof dd:  arguments must be process or job IDs
[01:05] <coty> can someone give me a good video converter?
[01:05] <coty> so i cant convert movies for my psp
[01:05] <digital_logic> why sudo to do -USR1?
[01:05] <archangel_> is there anything worth keeping in an old stand alone dvd player thats on the fritz?
[01:05] <stdin> coty: mcoder and ffmpeg are good, avidemux for a gui
[01:05] <DrX> LeeJunFan: ls -s -S shows bytes, not blocks, huh?
[01:05] <archangel_> as far as parts is concerned
[01:06] <neil__> I'm using sabnzbd, and it normally auto unrars for me
[01:06] <kristjan_> to disable hplip starting at boot I add no to RUN_HPLIP=? (in /etc/default/hplip)
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> DrX: yeah. ls doesn't know what blocksize dd is using.
[01:06] <neil__> i forgot this time, how do i use rar command line to unrar a set of like 50 files?
[01:06] <coty> stdin: thanks
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> DrX: I've got that same while running here and it's working on 2 dd's I've got going.
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> DrX: you have to switch back to the terminal running dd to see what dd outputs.
[01:07] <DrX> LeeJunFan: so, this is going to take all week b/c it's only at 1899608
[01:07] <digital_logic> ls -h
[01:07] <stdin> neil__: unrar e file.rar (it will look for the file.r??? files)
[01:07] <neil__> thanks :)
[01:07] <digital_logic> thus why I was adamant about setting bs=something big
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> DrX: yeah, that's 2g. it'll take a good while.
[01:09] <chode> nite all
[01:09] <DrX> digital_logic: I'm happy to change it, but if u pick a block size larger than the native size won't it just waste space since dd is an exact copy?  (that's one reason I created a 60G identical partition so I would ensure same block size)
[01:09] <DrX> LeeJunFan: what if I lose the compression?  how much of a hit do you think I'm taking?
[01:10] <LeeJunFan> DrX: it would probably help quite a bit.
[01:10] <DrX> digital_logic: why SO slow?  i could just about hand write the data at this rate.... :(
[01:11] <digital_logic> I can assure you, you wouldn't be able to write out a few billion bytes as quickly as even a very slow drive can
[01:11] <DrX> digital_logic: joking
[01:11] <digital_logic> I know.
[01:11] <elvis> I have a problem guys
[01:11] <DrX> what if I dd w/o compression and THEN gzip or bzip2 -- end result about the same amount of time?
[01:11] <elvis> I was running 64 bit version of ubuntu before and it didnt happen then
[01:11] <digital_logic> The way dd uses 'blocksize' isn't quite the same as the 'blockssize' of a drive
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> !dolphin
[01:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dolphin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> :\
[01:12] <elvis> but when I view pages or drag windows the system lags bad
[01:12] <digital_logic> if you set the blocksize really big, it just measnt that DD will take large HUNKS into memory at once, then try to write them to its output
[01:12] <elvis> anyone know a way to fix?
[01:12] <digital_logic> its not actually wasting space, its just the diffrence between moving a mountain one grain of dirt at a time, or an entire truckload at a time.
[01:13] <digital_logic> Either way you'd get it done, but doing it one grain at a time would mean _LOTS_ of useless walking back and fourth (which is exactly what you're having dd & bzip2's subroutines do with a small blocksize)
[01:14] <DrX> digital_logic: if I restart w/ a larger block size, would it finish sooner?
[01:14] <elvis> so can anyone help me? Im using 6.10 if that helps
[01:14] <digital_logic> you're doing LOTS of read requests, and an EQUAL number of write requests, for blocks smaller than the blocksize of the drive anyway, and either way, its going to be one giant continuous sparsefile
[01:14] <digital_logic> it should
[01:14] <stdin> elvis: what kernel? the -386 or -generic ?
[01:14] <digital_logic> is this SCSI or SATA?
[01:15] <DrX> what do you suggest for max performance w/o sacrificing file integrity?
[01:15] <hansen> speaking of moving truckloads of data. How do you guys deal with backing up a regular desktop computer these days?
[01:15] <elvis> I think 386
[01:15] <elvis> but how do i tell for sure
[01:15] <Kyral> USB HD?
[01:15] <DrX> btw, how much risk do I incur adding compression to dd?
[01:15] <stdin> elvis: uname -r
[01:15] <Kyral> Server on the same subnet?
[01:15] <elvis> generic
[01:15] <Kyral> RAID? :P
[01:15] <elvis> my bad
[01:15] <digital_logic> you shouldn't need to worry about it, unless you have reason to suspect your memory system or harddrives of currupting data on you
[01:15] <digital_logic> (which would mean many other weird things should be happening)
[01:16] <stdin> elvis: was going to say, -generic is normally faster
[01:16] <DrX> digital_logic: I'm not so sure about the handwriting things  ;)
[01:16] <DrX> digital_logic: so, what do you suggest I use for max performance?
[01:16] <digital_logic> huh?
[01:16] <elvis> It is so wierd because I installed a 64 bit version previously and it worked fine
[01:16] <digital_logic> what kind of drive is it?
[01:16] <stevethepirate> Hello
[01:16] <digital_logic> scsi or sata?
[01:16] <elvis> now that im running the 32 bit version it dont work
[01:16] <elvis> fine
[01:17] <stdin> elvis: what graphics hardware?
[01:17] <DrX> SATA
[01:17] <hansen> Kyral: yes, I've been thinking about getting an USB (or better eSATA?) hd, but just performing a full backup takes a long time with to 0.5 TB hds. Do you know of any fast backup scripts?
[01:17] <digital_logic> DrX: Scsi, sata, usb, or IDE on a PCI adapater?
[01:17] <digital_logic> ah, what generation?
[01:17] <digital_logic> SATA2?
[01:17] <elvis> its an onboard nvidia
[01:17] <Kyral> hansen: Incremental backup
[01:17] <Kyral> hansen: use rsync :P
[01:17] <DrX> SATA 2 300 on HW RAid controller w/ big cache
[01:17] <digital_logic> Ah, so its a raid
[01:17] <digital_logic> striped?
[01:17] <stevethepirate> I saw in a picture of a program that ran on the side of the desktop that displayed info like about system speed.. Disk capacity.. Etc.. Anyone know what its called?
[01:17] <stdin> elvis: maybe try the nvidia driver, see if it's a graphics issue
[01:18] <DrX> mirrored (thankfully, it's reading 0 and writing 1 but you can hardly tell)
[01:18] <digital_logic> ah, ok
[01:18] <stdin> elvis: or, if you're using the nvidia driver, try the nv one
[01:18] <hansen> at least that's the problem we have with out mailserver. It uses a tar-based backup script to make the backup and then uploads it to external storage. Incremental backups are usually not too slow, but the full backup done every week takes forever
[01:18] <digital_logic> in that case, w'll be nice to it, and I'd say try bs=512k
[01:18] <Kyral> hansen: Thats why you do it every week and not everyday :P
[01:18] <hansen> mailserver == cyrus mailstore == one file per message
[01:18] <elvis> how do i find those drivers
[01:19] <digital_logic> you could probably go up to 8192k (8mb), but you should prolly be nice to your drives
[01:19] <hansen> Kyral: I had it failing a couple of time because it didn't complete in 24 hours before the next incr. backup -- it's that bad :)
[01:19] <digital_logic> and I've never seen big performence increases on anything above 1024k
[01:19] <elvis> just look on google and find the line you need to type in?
[01:19] <Kyral> hansen: Don't use mailstore?
[01:19] <stdin> elvis: nv is the default nvidia driver, there is a guide to installing the nvidia (binary) one
[01:19] <stdin> !nvidia | elvis
[01:19] <ubotu> elvis: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:19] <digital_logic> (but then again, you've got newer hardware than my ATA33 IDE junk, and old SCSI2 server parts)
[01:20] <hansen> cyrus maildirs or MailDir is the only way that performs well enough for disconnected imap
[01:20] <Kyral> *shrug*
[01:20] <stevethepirate> Anyone know the program?
[01:20] <Kyral> I don't know a lot about MailServs
[01:20] <neil__> hey, Is there a program like daemon tools available for linux?
[01:20] <Kyral> I like POP3 :P
[01:20] <hansen> I was just wondering if there is something faster/better/nicer than tar to base a backup script on
[01:21] <Kyral> hansen: There is probably
[01:21] <Kyral> hansen: Google :P
[01:21] <stevethepirate> Anyone?
[01:21] <digital_logic> and I wouldn't worry too much about data integrety (weather though DD or bzip2), either way unless you suspect your system's memory/drive controllers of curropting data on you, I don't think its at all likely (though natrually-not impossible)
[01:21] <Kyral> neil__: What's Daemon Tools?
[01:21] <stdin> stevethepirate: probably a superkaramba thing
[01:21] <hansen> stevethepirate: which program?
[01:21] <DrX> digital_logic, would 8192 drive completion 4x faster & w/o sacrificing data integrity?
[01:22] <stdin> neil__: mount
[01:22] <hansen> neil__: just install daemon tools?
[01:22] <digital_logic> read what I just said
[01:22] <stevethepirate> Han' read above
[01:22] <neil__> stdin: yeah just clicked! stupid me
[01:22] <Yorokobi> stevethepirate, gkrellm is one option
[01:22] <digital_logic> bigger block size does not mean you loose integrity
[01:22] <DrX> digital_logic: did, so 8192 is a better plan?
[01:22] <neil__> Windows doesnt do 'mounting', but as linux does by default, why would I need an app for it :)
[01:22] <digital_logic> it just means how much data will be floating in memory at any one point in time before being written to disk
[01:23] <digital_logic> sure, if you want to (remember to make it 8192k, because 8192 bytes is very small)
[01:23] <hansen> neil__: get it from http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html and install manually. Because of DJ Bernstein's weird policies I dont think you will find a nice .deb or .rpm or whatever
[01:23] <stdin> neil__: for files (like ISOs) just add "-o loop" to the end of the mount command
[01:23] <stdin> !iso
[01:23] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[01:23] <stevethepirate> Anyone used superkaramba ?
[01:25] <DrX> so, dd if=/dev/sda5 bs=8192k | bzip2 -z1c > /output/files.bz2 ?
[01:25] <digital_logic> one other thing, if you're not going to use Bzip2, you ~NEED~ to have the destination partition be LARGER than 60GB, beacuse the destination will have things like a filesystem eating up drivespace, but DD will be reading & writing the sourcedrive's filesystem TO the designation file (making it be EXACTLY the size of the partition, INCLUDING formatting blocks, which would still be in use on the destination partiton)
[01:25] <digital_logic> yes, that should do it.
[01:26] <DrX> digital_logic: won't they both use the same amount plus won't I have overhead on the source for the Xen VM file and won't the compression keep me well under?
[01:26] <stevethepirate> If i have a .tar.gz ... How do i install it?
[01:26] <digital_logic> yes
[01:26] <stdin> hansen: it doesn't have any eyecandy on it's own, you have to get the widgets from kde-look.org
[01:26] <DrX> digital_logic: so the command I specified is good?  & why not go larger on block size, e.g., 16384k?
[01:27] <stdin> stevethepirate: it's an archive, like zip, you don't "install" it, you extract it, use ark
[01:27] <stevethepirate> Then?
[01:27] <DrX> LeeJunFan: you onboard with this restart & that it should finish sooner?
[01:27] <stdin> then you can see what's in the archive
[01:27] <stevethepirate> I'm sure theres a single command to unpack and install a tarball..
[01:28] <digital_logic> but if you wanted it to get done as soon as mechanicially possible (vs waiting for the CPU to compress & mechanical limits), you wouldn't use bzip2 ---- BUT then you'd have the problem that the output file would end up being LARGER than the free space on the 2nd partition
[01:28] <stevethepirate> Lik rpm -something
[01:28] <DrX> digital_logic: what about gzip vs bzip2?
[01:28] <stdin> stevethepirate: that's for rpm files
[01:28] <Yorokobi> stevethepirate, tar zxvf <tarfile>
[01:28] <digital_logic> as I recall, gzip dosen't do pipes very well
[01:29] <stevethepirate> Sweet.
[01:29] <DrX> hehe, it just finished
[01:29] <stdin> bzip2 has higher compression, but takes longer to compress and de-compress, as well as more ram
[01:29] <DrX> must be blocks, not bytes
[01:29] <AZNSLD> hmm
[01:29] <AZNSLD> Ok ok...
[01:29] <AZNSLD> I got another problem
[01:30] <digital_logic> it did?
[01:30] <digital_logic> impressive.
[01:30] <DrX> digital_logic: this is the fastest system I've ever seen
[01:30] <kings> stdin, hi I got it working thansk
[01:31] <stdin> kings: was it just setting a default route?
[01:31] <AZNSLD> Hey how do I fix Make_socket?
[01:31] <kings> stdin, however now my ppp0 connects and i can ping everything - but now i cant ping anything on the internal 192.168.0.1 network = do I need to set a gw for the eth0 as well
[01:31] <DrX> digital_logic: I want to do another backup using a different utility (my future hangs in the balance), so is there a built-in GUI backup tool I can use to backup an unmounted block device?
[01:31] <kings> stdin, i removed the default gateway as it was pointing to 192.168.0.1 an dreplaced it with my static ip address
[01:32] <digital_logic> then again, almost anything makes my webserver look like...uh...a pentium166-mmx (which it is)
[01:32] <Yorokobi> DrX, have you looked at bacula ?
[01:32] <DrX> Yorokobi: I've used it, but I don't know if it can backup an unmounted device?
[01:32] <Yorokobi> I don't either :)
[01:32] <digital_logic> Drx: I dunno, I can't help you there, me and GUIs don't get along, therefore I just use my custom scripts, functions, and thirtybillion other tricks I've come up with to do things.
[01:33] <digital_logic> (naturally, they're all at home, where they do me absoloutely no good to help you)
[01:33] <eilker> how can i get songs from last fm any idea ? i use amarok
[01:33] <digital_logic> well, back to coding.
[01:34] <stdin> kings: yeah, you need a route for each netowrk
[01:34] <DrX> digital_logic: isn't there another dd version called ddsomething that's similar
[01:34] <stdin> kings: something like this should work "route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0"
[01:35] <digital_logic2> sigh
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> DrX: dd_rescue I think
[01:35] <digital_logic2> I've got a function named something like that!
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> it will skip bad blocks
[01:36] <digital_logic2> or you can use the padding (or is it swabbing?, or one of the other umpteen vauge similar otpions dd has) to do it.
[01:36] <DrX> digital_logic: can I rename the bz2 file without causing a problem?
[01:37] <DrX> digital_logic: it's not letting me rename, huh?
[01:37] <stdin> eilker: #amarok ?
[01:38] <eilker> stdin> i found it already
[01:38] <digital_logic2> yes
[01:39] <digital_logic2> it must not be finished then
[01:39] <eilker> stdin> i am gonna rip :D
[01:39] <digital_logic2> *OR* the system thinks its still in use.
[01:39] <hansen> hmm, most of those superkaramba gadgets dont work
[01:39] <stevethepirate> Damm.. Pc restarted for no reason.
[01:40] <hansen> I tried a whole bunch and only zing and GlassMonitor work, and that GlassMonitor looks broken because the layout is not resizing to be able to display 4 cpu cores...
[01:40] <DrX> digital_logic, good point, how do I ensure it's good?
[01:42] <aznsld> Hello all
[01:43] <digital_logic2> I don't know.
[01:43] <aznsld> !apache2
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apache2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <digital_logic2> run top and see if dd is still runnign
[01:43] <aznsld> !apache
[01:43] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[01:43] <digital_logic2> ng
[01:43] <MasterManX2006> hey
[01:43] <MasterManX2006> what u guys use for irc
[01:43] <stevethepirate> Irssi
[01:43] <MasterManX2006> irssi
[01:43] <MasterManX2006> is that the best for kub
[01:43] <LjL> an irc client. usually, sometimes telnet or netcat, though.
[01:44] <Stormzoeker> kopete ;)
[01:44] <stevethepirate> Lol.. Um.. How do i let my pc read the sensors inside my pc?
[01:44] <LjL> !lm-sensors
[01:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lm-sensors - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:44] <LjL> hm?
[01:44] <LjL> !info lm-sensors
[01:44] <ubotu> lm-sensors: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.10.0-7ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 479 kB, installed size 1472 kB
[01:44] <LjL> bah
[01:45] <aznsld> phpmyadmin
[01:45] <aznsld> opps sry
[01:45] <DrX> digital_logic, nope
[01:45] <stdin> !sensors | stevethepirate
[01:45] <ubotu> stevethepirate: You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[01:45] <DrX> digital_logic: found it, it's called dd_rescue
[01:45] <stevethepirate> So if i get that.. Superkaramba can read off that?
[01:45] <digital_logic2> you might try restarting the computer (if that's possible)
[01:46] <DrX> sure, but what about dd_rescue?
[01:46] <digital_logic2> what about it?
[01:46] <DrX> someone suggested it's better than dd & would that be a good second choice for backup?
[01:46] <DrX> or should I use something entirely different
[01:47] <digital_logic2> oh for a GUI app?
[01:47] <DrX> digital_logic: d/n know if dd_rescue is gui or not
[01:47] <katara> hi, i have a problem. When i try to swith betwen windows, i have to click on the upper bar of the windows or i cant put it on the fron of my screen
[01:47] <katara> how can i change this?
[01:47] <DrX> digital_logic: not picky, I'll use anything that's reliable...
[01:49] <digital_logic2> well, I know I'm happy with the CLI stuff, which clearly you have.
[01:49] <DrX> digital_logic, concerned b/.c the resulting bzip2 file is under 2GB of a 60GB image, sounds questionable
[01:49] <digital_logic2> how much data was on the drive
[01:49] <digital_logic2> do you know?
[01:49] <digital_logic2> and what kind, because text files compress really well, but movies and images don't.
[01:50] <DrX> digital_logic, maybe 5-8GB (Windows 2003 Server + SQL 2005 Standard)
[01:50] <DrX> digital_logic, dd output reported handling 64GB
[01:50] <digital_logic2> in that case, its ENTIRELY POSSIBLE it did compress it that much
[01:50] <digital_logic2> Wait....is this an NTFS drive?
[01:52] <digital_logic> finally
[01:53] <kristjan_> anyone here recompiled kernel in edgy eft?
[01:53] <DrX> digital_logic: I originally formatted it ext3, but I think Xen reformats a block device that you give it as some kind of disk image (gparted says it's a LInux Native partition type)
[01:53] <DrX> digital_logic: I think that's why I can't mount it.
[01:53] <hansen> stevethepirate, ubotu: did you figure out lm-sensors? I have it installed but I wonder how to configure it for my hardware and how to get ksensors to display anything useful
[01:53] <digital_logic> so, then why/how is windows2k3 on there?
[01:55] <stevethepirate> How do i kill superkaramba?
[01:55] <DrX> digital_logic: it's a Xen VM image
[01:56] <MuJ> kill `pidof superkaramba`
[01:56] <tmbg> or pkill superkaramba
[01:56] <hansen> I see this output from sensors: http://pastebin.ca/415982
[01:57] <hansen> besides temp2, the others look reasonable :)
[01:57] <hansen> but I was kind of expecting voltages and such things too
[01:59] <stevethepirate> Thanks a lot people.. See ya in the future!
[02:00] <stevethepirate> I've got work to do now.. Accounting is soo lame.
[02:00] <eilker> Undefined argument in option spec  // what is spec? what does this mean ?
[02:00] <DrX> digital_logic: how do I reverse the process?
[02:01] <tmbg> hansen, this seems helpful. did you follow something like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[02:01] <kristjan_> doesn't info you can get with lmsensors depend on your bios?
[02:02] <MuJ> eilker: what are you doing?
[02:02] <tmbg> depends on configuring for your sensor chips, apparently.
[02:02] <hansen> tmbg: yes, I ran sensors-detect and set up the modprobe files to load the stuff sensors-detect found
[02:02] <LeeJunFan> DrX: bunzip2 -c [filename]  | dd of=/dev/[device] 
[02:02] <digital_logic> you mean write back to disk?
[02:02] <digital_logic> yes
[02:02] <eilker> MuJ> trying to rip some mp3s from last fm
[02:03] <digital_logic> you shouldn't need the bs=(whateveryouset), but it wouldn't hurt
[02:03] <kristjan_> tmbg: yeah but usually you see all info you can get from sensors in bios
[02:03] <tmbg> hansen, and you're sure your system supports voltage reporting?
[02:03] <digital_logic> (and should make it go faster)
[02:03] <kgx> is it possible to get the contents of wget to stdout (i dont want it to download the file, just get the contents)
[02:03] <hansen> tmbg: I have no idea :)
[02:03] <hansen> my old box did
[02:03] <tmbg> hansen, try that BIOS bit that kristjan_ is mentioning then.
[02:03] <stdin> kgx: wget URL -O -
[02:04] <tmbg> poke around in your BIOS and see if you can find all of the monitoring stuff. it may not have it.
[02:04] <tmbg> although if it's new enough it *should*
[02:04] <hansen> tmbg: mentioned where?
[02:05] <r00t_> is there an irc room where i can get help wirth php?
[02:05] <kristjan_> actually I was thinking about what tmbg said. I think he is right, so ignore my bios rant ;)
[02:05] <kgx> stdin: thanks
[02:05] <BluesKaj> !php
[02:05] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[02:05] <stdin> r00t_: #php maybe
[02:05] <BluesKaj> err #lamp
[02:05] <tmbg> kristjan_, it kind of makes sense. most manufacturers do put stuff in their BIOS to read their sensor chips, but not always. I think mine reports temperature and fan speed, but not voltages. maybe it does volts, can't remember.
[02:06] <stdin> r00t_: or ##php
[02:06] <hansen> ic, you mean reboot and have a look
[02:06] <tmbg> yup
[02:07] <hansen> I'll do that next time I have to reboot
[02:07] <kristjan_> tmbg: is lmsensors best? (I should try it out, cause my laptop bios won't show any temperature or fan speed at all)
[02:07] <tmbg> I haven't gotten mine fully set up yet.
[02:07] <tmbg> I'll get back with you ;)
[02:07] <hansen> I dont think there is any alernative to lmsensors
[02:09] <kristjan_> btw, there do you get lmsensors? I can't find it in multiverse
[02:09] <kristjan_> ah ok package name is lm-sensors
[02:09] <hansen> I guess it's easiest if some kind soul with the same motherboard as you has published a sensors.conf to reuse, but in my case I didn't find anything
[02:09] <tmbg> well just finished setting it up. it seems alright. I don't get voltages either though. I get temps and fans.
[02:11] <tmbg> it may pick up more if I reboot but I wouldn't be suprised if it couldn't read volts.
[02:12] <tmbg> that will depend on your sensor and all that jazz. it's hard for these kind of tools to know what is what.
[02:13] <hansen> smsc47b397-isa-0480 sounds like something on the motherboard, ie. it wont measure gfx temp or fan right?
[02:13] <tmbg> you'll have to figure that yourself, I haven't figured out where to set the labels yet myself.
[02:14] <kristjan_> I see that lm-sensors needs i2c kernel modules, but isn't i2c blacklisted in edgy eft?
[02:14] <Daisuke_Ido> question: say i run a program in wine.  it changes the resolution to 640x480, and crashes without giving my resolution back.  is there a way to do so without restarting x?
[02:14] <BluesKaj> gamerz....
[02:14] <hansen> I guess it's all guesswork with those sensors unless the mobo manufacturor or system integrator publishes a matching sensors.conf...
[02:14] <kristjan_> Daisuke_Ido: use krandrtray
[02:14] <eilker> !test > eilker
[02:15] <hansen> kristjan_: why is that blacklisted?
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> krandrtray?
[02:16] <kristjan_> hansen: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - blacklist i2c_i801 - is that one of many i2c modules?
[02:16] <kristjan_> !krandrtray
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krandrtray - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> nothing for !info krandrtray either
[02:17] <kristjan_> Daisuke_Ido: it's installed by default in kubuntu
[02:17] <kristjan_> alt-f2 and krandtray
[02:17] <kristjan_> *krandrtray
[02:17] <hansen> kristjan_: right, it says "# causes failure to suspend on HP compaq nc6000 (Ubuntu: #10306)"
[02:18] <ksnipa> was wondering is there a fix to a super karmaba bug where my widges have a grey box around them, when I resume out of a screen saver?
[02:18] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[02:18] <Daisuke_Ido> that's nice
[02:19] <kristjan_> hmm, I guess blacklisted is one particular i2c module, cause I got i2c_ec module listed in lsmod
[02:19] <wimpies> anybody around that uses 'Keep' backup system ?
[02:20] <BluesKaj> more  darn probs with eye candy lately , must be a fact of life for a mature OS .   :)
[02:20] <hansen> kristjan_: I have i2c_ec, i2c_isa and i2c_core loaded
[02:21] <kristjan_> do lm-sensors need a frontend, like ksensors to display info, or with what command do I run lm-sensors?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> ppl become obsessed with the window dressing
[02:21] <hansen> plus a module "smsc47b397" that i2c_isa depends on, which i guess is a driver for a particular sensors chip
[02:22] <BluesKaj> and then there's hansen :)
[02:22] <kristjan_> how do I use lm-sensors?
[02:22] <hansen> BluesKaj: ok, I admit it. I'm just bored tonight :)
[02:22] <MuJ> type sensors
[02:23] <kristjan_> MuJ: I get "Can't access procfs/sysfs file"
[02:23] <MuJ> did you run sensors-detect and stuff first? :|
[02:23] <hansen> bored and trying to get the last few details working with kubuntu on my new totally overkill hp workstation :)
[02:23] <BluesKaj> hey just ignore me , i know you have aprob...Im just funnin ya
[02:24] <kristjan_> MuJ: running now
[02:24] <BluesKaj> <----had a a few tonite
[02:25] <BluesKaj> Nice  hansen ... I have a rudimentary Compaq pc ... must be nice to have overkill :)
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> build them yourself and you'll never go wrong
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> unless you screw up
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> then it could explode, but meh
[02:26] <DrX> can I reliably write a 2GB tar file to an NTFS drive mounted under Linux?
[02:26] <MuJ> explode? nah :D
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> MuJ: no thermal paste/grease + no HSF
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> explode.
[02:27] <MuJ> == core melting
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a pretty big screwup though
[02:27] <BluesKaj> ntfs mounted under linux ?  how so /
[02:27] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:27] <MuJ> but it won't explode
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a shame
[02:27] <BluesKaj> partition maybe
[02:27] <Iced_Tea> mmmmmm chocolate core melting.... mmmm
[02:28] <DrX> not so much?
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> or move to europe and switch the voltage on the PSU to 110
[02:28] <MuJ> mmm.. iced tea.. mmm
[02:28] <Iced_Tea> MuJ, damn straight
[02:28] <MuJ> :P
[02:28] <MuJ> Daisuke_Ido: I've done that
[02:29] <MuJ> it still doesn't explode.. just gives little bit of blue smoke :)
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> aww
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that's disappointing
[02:31] <r00t_> MuJ: i joust lost the wire i jerry riged onto my laptop fan,so i had to stop useing it becaus eof the risk of melting it.i did jeerryrigg a old 486 fan to it with ducktape to copy a few importnat files but sadly itll be missed
[02:34] <vizzy> hello, i have th efollowing problem when i try to install 'scons' which is needed to compile blender3d from cvs
[02:34] <vizzy> paste: http://rafb.net/p/A2oHJq64.html
[02:37] <philfo1> ok, my computer is being HORRIBLY slow & I think it's the graphics card.  I did the ATI radeon driver install last night & right then it slowed down.  makes me think it's the driver.  glxinfo shows me: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".  any ideas?
[02:38] <LjL> vizzy: it looks like some sort of disk error to me
[02:38] <philfo1> I absolutely need this machine up & running since I have a very importnat rush order, photo restoration due tomorrow evening.  all help is appreciated.
[02:38] <LjL> check your syslog for I/O errors on your drives
[02:38] <LjL> maybe run a smartctl
[02:38] <vizzy> LjL, :O ok, checking
[02:39] <linux_user> hi all! Does anybody know - does https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ work?
[02:39] <BluesKaj> philfo1, type "fglrxinfo"
[02:39] <philfo1> what do you know.
[02:40] <MuJ> linux_user: hmm? yes?
[02:40] <philfo1> the mesa3d.org driver glitch noted on the ATI pages
[02:40] <ksnipa> anyone know where I can get kiba-dock from? I checked there website but they do not seem to have the files there for download
[02:40] <philfo1> I corrected for that last night.
[02:40] <MuJ> ksnipa: from their svn
[02:42] <icarn> Section "Extensions"
[02:42] <icarn>  Option "Composite" "disable"
[02:42] <icarn> EndSection
[02:43] <lunar-raven> does anyone know how to make flash work in konqueror (for amd64)?
[02:43] <icarn> ATI, in order to have your direct rendering (dri) check your xorg.conf
[02:43] <philfo1> icarn: that for me?
[02:43] <icarn> yes
[02:43] <posingaspopular> lunar-raven, yes
[02:43] <posingaspopular> !flash
[02:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:43] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[02:44] <icarn> rather for vizzy
[02:44] <posingaspopular> lunar-raven, is that the one you need to view youtube?
[02:44] <lunar-raven> i believe so, thanks
[02:44] <vizzy> hm?
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> !flash64 | lunar-raven
[02:44] <ubotu> lunar-raven: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:45] <lunar-raven> ohh thats the link i needed
[02:45] <lunar-raven> because 64 works differently
[02:45] <lunar-raven> thanks
[02:45] <lunar-raven> :)
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> lunar-raven: that's firefox but maybe it'll help with konq too.
[02:45] <icarn> ok it is for you philfo1 (sorry:)
[02:46] <philfo1> no worries.
[02:46] <gumby600m> In Ubuntu 6.10, when Konsole has some sort of activity (i.e. top updates) while i'm in another window (say, Firefox), it flashes in the system tray... it's /extremely/ annoying.  How do I make Konsole stop flashing in my system tray??
[02:46] <icarn> philfo1 : did you do that ? :sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-control libqt3-mt
[02:46] <aznsld> lol
[02:47] <philfo1> so I'm running "gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and inserting your "section..." instead of the ubuntu help pages, correct?
[02:47] <philfo1> nope.
[02:47] <icarn> correct, i think
[02:48] <philfo1> I consulted uboto for ATI and ran the command lines directly as on the page.
[02:48] <philfo1> is it a problem with my driver or with xorg?
[02:48] <icarn> did you do : sudo aticonfig --initial
[02:49] <philfo1> nope.
[02:49] <philfo1> just like on the page, that's all.
[02:49] <icarn> and : sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[02:49] <WaxyFresh> can anyone give me a hand getting direct rendring working?or at least telling me wether or not its nad option?
[02:49] <WaxyFresh> and*
[02:49] <BluesKaj> icarn, philfo1, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2
[02:49] <BluesKaj> right ?
[02:49] <philfo1> ok, where should I start then?
[02:49] <icarn> for the french page, but same shell : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/fglrx
[02:50] <BluesKaj> WaxyFresh,  same : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2
[02:50] <aznsld> ok
[02:50] <aznsld> Could I get some help?
[02:50] <aznsld> On some MySQL
[02:50] <aznsld> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[02:50] <aznsld> error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
[02:50] <aznsld> Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
[02:50] <johey> What is the maximum healthy temperature for an Intel Pentium 4 single core 2.54 GHz? KSensors makes a warning flash at 45 degrees Celcius, but my CPU goes to 60 degrees with full load. Is this very bad?
[02:50] <dirgedoll> I feel really frusterated. I have kubuntu 6.06 and i want superkaramba and don't understand how to unzip the files or where to put them so it will work. can anyone help?
[02:51] <icarn> aznsld : did you jail your mysql ?
[02:51] <WaxyFresh> johey: it all depens on how much heat your processors desinged for,my laptop one gets tooo hot to tuch while my tower is nice and cool even without a fan
[02:51] <philfo1> icarn & blues, thanks for the help.  I'll try running the commands as on the last url sent to me
[02:51] <aznsld> icarn | Idon know
[02:52] <johey> WaxyFresh: Where can I find out what my CPU is designed for?
[02:52] <dirgedoll> cries
[02:52] <aznsld> I am a big noob
[02:52] <philfo1> BUT, do I need to un install anything?  or just write over?
[02:52] <dirgedoll> so am i
[02:52] <icarn> philfo1 : i test it 4 2week, that was ok.
[02:52] <dirgedoll> i dont understand any of this tar file crap
[02:52] <dirgedoll> heh
[02:52] <aznsld> dirgedoll you new?
[02:52] <dirgedoll> yes
[02:52] <aznsld> we are on the same boat
[02:53] <aznsld> =)
[02:53] <dirgedoll> :)
[02:53] <philfo1> icarn: this one? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2
[02:53] <dirgedoll> I thought this would be easier I guess
[02:53] <aznsld>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[02:53] <WaxyFresh> johey: try the manufactures page for a tech support number/email  but id think it would be fine<dont trust me
[02:54] <BluesKaj> dirgedoll, this not the room to call tar files crap...they do work , most of the time
[02:54] <dirgedoll> i am asking for help
[02:54] <icarn> philfo1 : may be but : 3 choices for get ati : try this http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/fglrx
[02:54] <dirgedoll> and im sorry if i offended anyone but i cant seem to get them to work
[02:54] <dirgedoll> i will call them carp then
[02:54] <dirgedoll> heh
[02:54] <johey> WaxyFresh: In the BIOS settings on my motherboard, the CPU overheat warning limit is 75 degrees by default. I don't know if that is a reliable source.
[02:55] <WaxyFresh> johey: did it come with the processor?
[02:55] <dirgedoll> i've tried all kinds of stuff and can't get one to work
[02:55] <kai> wasup
[02:55] <dirgedoll> hi
[02:56] <kai> are there any programmers in here? I need some help w/ using Subverision in linux
[02:56] <BluesKaj> ./configure after extractiom ? dirgedoll
[02:56] <johey> WaxyFresh: I bought it all in used condition. I can't tell. But it is not a brand computer, like IBM or Compac or so, but a "home built" thing.
[02:56] <dirgedoll> see I dont understand where i would out the configure or how to properly extract them i guess
[02:57] <dirgedoll> i am used to windows where you just unzip to the desktop and its done
[02:57] <philfo1> icarn:  I have a hard enough time doing this stuff in English.  I'm a 5th day LINUX user.  I don't think I could handle it with french instrustions
[02:57] <dirgedoll> neither can i
[02:57] <dirgedoll> i dont understand where to put that /.configure
[02:57] <philfo1> it gets easier dirgedoll
[02:57] <WaxyFresh> johey: i dont think you have much to worry aboute but email teh processors manufacture for advice
[02:57] <BluesKaj> Untarring tar.gz files
[02:57] <BluesKaj> #"tar -zvxf file name.tar.gz"
[02:58] <dirgedoll> what is that and where is it supposed to go?
[02:58] <BluesKaj> Untarring tar.bz2 files
[02:58] <BluesKaj> #"tar xvjf filename.tar.bz2"
[02:58] <BluesKaj> sorry for the flood, just a samll one
[02:59] <dirgedoll> i downloaded the file onto my desktop
[02:59] <philfo1> lets hope babelfish can do it!
[02:59] <dirgedoll> do i do something with the terminal after i do that
[02:59] <philfo1> nope.  dang
[03:00] <BluesKaj> yes, dirgedoll, read above
[03:01] <icarn> philfo1 : courage .
[03:01] <johey> WaxyFresh: I found a table at Intel's web site. I don't know which of the 2.53 GHz processors is mine, but all of them in the chart are specifyed for 71 or 72 degrees. Probably nothing to worry about then.
[03:01] <kai> no help
[03:02] <WaxyFresh> johey: its fine
[03:02] <BluesKaj> johey, lots of cpu there , nothing to concern yerself about with linux or any OS
[03:03] <philfo1> I am that brave, but I really don't feel like going through the headache.  the French version wasn't laid out like the English one.  The only French I remember from class 10 years ago is: "the onions" and "my name is..."
[03:03] <dirgedoll> is it supposed to give another prompt after the one you gave me?
[03:03] <BluesKaj> nom de plume ?
[03:03] <dirgedoll> and it is still showing as a tar.gz
[03:04] <johey> BluesKaj: Well, I believe the CPU temperature is an issue even with Linux. :)
[03:05] <BluesKaj> you must have alotta stuff open
[03:06] <philfo1> for all the freedom that linux affords users, it sure is a PITA for beginners.  I mean frustrating.  from a marketing standpoint, no wonder why windows survives.  linux IS the better system, but I've been sitting at my computer for 4 days making stuff work or trying to do so.
[03:06] <dirgedoll> me too
[03:07] <dirgedoll> i cant even unzip a flippin file
[03:07] <dirgedoll> its worth it from what i hear though
[03:07] <dirgedoll> so i will take the beatings hehe
[03:07] <dirgedoll> and plug away at it
[03:07] <MuJ> and all this because you've learned The Wrong Methods(tm) from windows
[03:08] <philfo1> for Linux to take over (like I want :) ) there needs to be a much easier way than going on an IRC & pleading for experienced users to write command lines while us n00bs try to learn
[03:08] <dirgedoll> yes it is
[03:08] <philfo1> Muj:  I know.  I admit it.
[03:08] <dirgedoll> i still cant get this to unzip
[03:08] <hitmanWilly> linux isn't any harder than windows, just a different way of doing things
[03:08] <MuJ> actually I think if you give linux and windows to someone who has NEVER used computer before they find linux easier
[03:09] <dirgedoll> i just dont get it yet
[03:09] <aznsld> me 3
[03:09] <philfo1> not from a hardcore 10+ year windows user's pov.
[03:09] <hitmanWilly> dirgedoll: try right clicking and "extract here"
[03:09] <BluesKaj> dirgedoll, right click on the pkg . .. choose action/ extract to folder
[03:09] <dirgedoll> yeah i did that
[03:09] <philfo1> that's like saying that taking photos with wetplate is just as easy as using  apoint & shoot, but a different way.
[03:10] <MuJ> philfo1: you'll learn.. just don't give up :)
[03:10] <philfo1> sorry for ranting.   I'll stop
[03:10] <dirgedoll> me too
[03:10] <philfo1> yeah, well tonight I don't have time to learn unfortunately
[03:10] <BluesKaj> in the terminal cd  "foldername" , then ./configure
[03:10] <philfo1> I need my stuff to WORK
[03:10] <pinoshaw> portugues pt
[03:11] <pinoshaw> portugues<br>
[03:11] <BluesKaj> !br
[03:11] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[03:13] <rootbeerroot> hey! I'm running mandriva, but i'm hoping it's the same property...i need to know how to change a driver
[03:15] <dirgedoll> still doesnt work
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> dirgedoll: whats it telling you?
[03:16] <BluesKaj> wrong room rootbeerroot, not the same OS base
[03:16] <Alpha_Cluster> can someone here explian why in edgy /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/bin/java links to a 1.4 versin of java?
[03:16] <MuJ> dirgedoll: tar -xzf package.tar.gz??
[03:17] <dirgedoll> no such file or directory
[03:17] <MuJ> well of course you change the package.tar.gz according to your package :D
[03:17] <BluesKaj> what's the pkg name dirgedoll?
[03:17] <dirgedoll> superkaramba-0.39
[03:18] <MuJ> eh..
[03:18] <dirgedoll> i extracted the folder to a folder called pics on my desktop
[03:18] <MuJ> what are you doing? :)
[03:18] <borisyaltsin> Hi, how do I get calc to show the formulas in the cells instead of the outcomes of the formulas?
[03:18] <BluesKaj> superkarumba should be in adept or synaptic pkg managers , check it out
[03:19] <MuJ> it just shouldn't be.. it IS
[03:19] <dirgedoll> no it isnt i havfe 6.06
[03:19] <MuJ> hmm..
[03:19] <dirgedoll> kubuntu 6.06
[03:19] <hitmanWilly> dirgedoll: you can probably download the .deb pkg. much easier to install
[03:20] <MuJ> it's in the universe repository
[03:20] <dirgedoll> how do i find that
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> dirgedoll: try searching ubuntu.org for it
[03:20] <BluesKaj> in adept or synaptic
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> oh hold on, for dapper it might be a backport
[03:21] <MuJ> it's in universe
[03:22] <MuJ> for dapper
[03:22] <MuJ> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=superkaramba&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all  <- there
[03:22] <hitmanWilly> never used 6.06, sorry
[03:23] <dirgedoll> thx
[03:23] <philfo1> GD!!
[03:23] <hitmanWilly> not too familiar with the repos for it
[03:24] <cj_> morning
[03:24] <philfo1> why is it when I'm typing the exact command line that I should be, terminal gives me "command not found" ??!!??
[03:24] <soulrider> hey everyone
[03:24] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: what cmd?
[03:24] <BluesKaj> hmm strange i was sure it was in edgy repos
[03:24] <MuJ> 6.06 = dapper
[03:25] <philfo1> "sudo /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:25] <dirgedoll> this is all still freaking me out heh
[03:25] <MuJ> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:25] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: thats not a cmd, thats a file name
[03:25] <soulrider> im trying to uninstall libgnomeui-comming but it gives me an error ----> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12832/ i hope someone can help me because i cant install anything at all!
[03:25] <dirgedoll> join the club
[03:25] <MuJ> you were trying to run sources.list with super user privileges :)
[03:26] <philfo1> well, the ubuntu help pages has it up there like that
[03:26] <MuJ> which doesn't work because it's a text file
[03:26] <MuJ> link?
[03:26] <MuJ> because that's obviously wrong
[03:28] <dirgedoll> why cant this be as easy as windows?
[03:28] <philfo1> because you are totally dependent upon  a GUI
[03:28] <philfo1> like 80% of the world.
[03:28] <philfo1> like me.
[03:28] <dirgedoll> sigh
[03:28] <MuJ> dirgedoll: because it's easier
[03:28] <philfo1> ha ha ha ha
[03:28] <MuJ> it is
[03:28] <MuJ> when you learn the basics
[03:29] <dirgedoll> but this is so much fastier and prettier
[03:29] <philfo1> I still can't mount a directory
[03:29] <soulrider> the command line is so much better than a GUI for lots of things IMHO
[03:29] <philfo1> I don't know any basics.  but unfortunately I have to WORK with this computer.
[03:30] <philfo1> right now its  just a hobby machine because it can't do what I need it to.  because the basics are NOT basic.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> !mount | philfo1
[03:30] <ubotu> philfo1: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:30] <Hobbsee> philfo1: it didnt automount?
[03:30] <philfo1> and it's nobody's fault but mine
[03:31] <soulrider> Hobbsee: you good with packaging ? =/
[03:31] <philfo1> philfo1 is mounted.  I want to look at another HD
[03:31] <soulrider> im trying to uninstall libgnomeui-comming but it gives me an error ----> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12832/ i hope someone can help me because i cant install anything at all!
[03:31] <soulrider> lobgnomegui-common sorry
[03:32] <Hobbsee> soulrider: looking
[03:33] <Hobbsee> soulrider: icky.
[03:33] <soulrider> thanks Hobbsee
[03:33] <stra> bye
[03:33] <soulrider> i cant even install kopete
[03:33] <soulrider> im SO never using aptoncd again
[03:33] <Hobbsee> soulrider: could you pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgnomeui-common.prerm please?
[03:34] <soulrider> sure
[03:34] <soulrider> !paste
[03:34] <Hobbsee> soulrider: is this feisty, btw?
[03:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:34] <soulrider> no, edgy
[03:34] <stdin> Hobbsee, soulrider: it's looking for gconf-schemas (in package gconf2)
[03:34] <MuJ> soulrider: I'd just try to force remove it
[03:34] <soulrider> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12836/ Hobbsee
[03:34] <Hobbsee> soulrider: ahh
[03:35] <Hobbsee> stdin: so i see.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> you wont be able to force remove it
[03:35] <soulrider> but i dont think i can install that package =/
[03:35] <MuJ> dpkg --force -r libgnomeui-common ? no?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> soulrider: change line 6, to be 	:gconf-schemas --unregister libgnomeui-apport-gtk.schemas
[03:35] <Hobbsee> make sure you keep the indenting
[03:36] <Hobbsee> then try to remove it again
[03:36] <soulrider> k, let me kdesu kate first :P
[03:36] <philfo1> I'm out.  got to go work.  I can't believe this.
[03:37] <soulrider> done, let me try it
[03:37] <Hobbsee> soulrider: ahhh, you removed gconf?
[03:37] <soulrider> err i think
[03:37] <soulrider> heres the thing
[03:37] <soulrider> i installed allt he deps aptoncd needed
[03:37] <soulrider> but it basically installed GNOME :P
[03:37] <Hobbsee> wait, you couldnt have removed gconf - that would have removed that as well.  weird
[03:37] <soulrider> so i looked for thta pure KDE website and remved everything it said :P
[03:38] <Hobbsee> soulrider: ahh.   scripts like that tend to be bad
[03:38] <Hobbsee> seeing as kde has some gnome stuff
[03:38] <soulrider> what you just told me didnt work
[03:38] <Hobbsee> soulrider: what'd it do?
[03:38] <soulrider> same
[03:38] <Hobbsee> oh, sorry, use a #, not a :
[03:38] <Hobbsee> or remove lines 4-6
[03:39] <soulrider> still happening =/
[03:39] <soulrider> hold on a sec
[03:39] <stdin> i find a nice "exit 0" right after "#!/bin/sh" does the job
[03:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yes - assuming there was nothing else in the prerm that should run
[03:39] <soulrider> so i just leave
[03:39] <soulrider> #!/bin/sh
[03:39] <soulrider> set -e
[03:39] <soulrider> ?
[03:40] <stdin> you can just comment out the whole thing
[03:40] <soulrider> k
[03:40] <Hobbsee> soulrider: that works
[03:40] <stdin> from if to fi
[03:40] <soulrider> oh yes
[03:40] <soulrider> it world!
[03:40] <soulrider> worked*
[03:40] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:40] <soulrider> thank you guys!!! <3
[03:41] <Hobbsee> now as for how you coudl remove gconf2, but keep that...i'll never know
[03:41] <Hobbsee> probably that dodgy script
[03:41] <soulrider> well
[03:41] <soulrider> it was just a list of packages that could be uninstalled
[03:41] <soulrider> not really a script
[03:41] <Hobbsee> soulrider: probably removing libgtk2.0-0 then installing kubuntu-desktop again would have worked better
[03:41] <Hobbsee> i think i've seen it
[03:42] <Hobbsee> it wouldnt suprise me if it was trying to use force though
[03:42] <soulrider> it wasnt
[03:42] <soulrider> it was just "sudo apt-get remove <packages>"
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ah, okay
[03:42] <coty> stdin: what were the video coverters you tolled me about again?
[03:44] <coty> Can someone tell me of some good video converters? I need to convert videos to fit on my psp
[03:44] <stdin> coty: umm, ffmpeg mencoder and avidemux
[03:45] <coty> thanks
[03:58] <red22> is beta 2 going to be available tomorrow?
[03:58] <sampan>  anyone know why after the kdelibs update this morning now i have a screensaver (a big white "X" as in the logo for Xorg) when it's turned off in system settings and kcontrol?
[03:58] <soulrider> for feisty ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:59] <red22> ty
[04:00] <MuJ> what's the name for ubuntu+2? :P
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> Glitzy Gopher
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> (i don't know, but it sounds good :)
[04:01] <WaxyFresh> kmix isnt starting up any ideas
[04:01] <MuJ> Massive Mole would be cool.. when we get that far :)
[04:04] <WaxyFresh> sexy seacucumber
[04:05] <philfo1> and here I am again, looking for more help.
[04:05] <exobuzz> Groovy Gerbil
[04:05] <exobuzz> :-)
[04:06] <philfo1> I'm trying to run  this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2
[04:06] <lunar-raven> !nspluginwrapper
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nspluginwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <lunar-raven> !flash64
[04:06] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[04:07] <philfo1> and I'm halfway down the page at the command line right after: "Blacklist old fglrx module from linux-restricted-modules"
[04:07] <WarrenT> Hi guys, i have a simple problem here
[04:07] <WarrenT> everytime i try to apt-get in kubuntu a package
[04:07] <WarrenT> it says package not found
[04:07] <WarrenT> ??
[04:07] <stdin> WarrenT: check your sources.list
[04:07] <WarrenT> root@DLINK:~# apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 build-essential
[04:07] <WarrenT> Reading package lists... Done
[04:07] <WarrenT> Building dependency tree
[04:07] <WarrenT> Reading state information... Done
[04:07] <WarrenT> E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.10
[04:08] <philfo1> so I ran the next three lines of commands & I get: bash: 8.35.5: No such file or directory
[04:08] <stdin> !paste | WarrenT
[04:08] <ubotu> WarrenT: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:08] <WarrenT> ahh thanks stdin
[04:08] <WarrenT> by the way, im a newbie how do  i check sources.list?
[04:09] <stdin> WarrenT: post /etc/apt/sources.list to that pastebin site and I'll give it a look
[04:09] <WarrenT> ok one moment please stdin
[04:09] <stdin> philfo1: what commands are you running?
[04:10] <philfo1> "sudo ln -sf bash /bin/sh"
[04:10] <philfo1> then: "bash ./ati-driver-installer-<version>.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy"
[04:10] <philfo1> and at that command it gives me no such file or directory
[04:10] <WarrenT> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12843/
[04:11] <WarrenT> oh, i should uncomment the two lines as it says :)
[04:11] <WarrenT> lol
[04:11] <stdin> philfo1: did you replave <version> with the version, ie. NOT ./ati-driver-installer-<8.35.5>.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy, but "./ati-driver-installer-8.35.5.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy"
[04:12] <WarrenT> stdin: im going to uncoment both sections? or one?
[04:12] <philfo1> no, I used the <>
[04:12] <pollyo> Hello is emerge a package or a shell command?
[04:12] <philfo1> damn.
[04:12] <philfo1> why TF can't this be a little more straigtforward.
[04:14] <philfo1> so now I did whatever it is that I did (which I do NOT understand) how do I make it better so I can install the correct driver for my graphics card & have my computer not take 22 seconds opening an application
[04:14] <philfo1> ?
[04:15] <intelikey> networking guro who is not real busy atm ?
[04:15] <crdlb> pollyo, emerge?
[04:15] <crdlb> that's for gentoo
[04:15] <WarrenT> stdin:
[04:16] <Jucato> !apt | pollyo
[04:16] <ubotu> pollyo: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:16] <stdin> WarrenT: sorry, cron went crazy for a sec :P, uncomment what you want, but remember to run "sudo apt-get update" after
[04:16] <WarrenT> stdin: i uncommented all the # deb sections in sources.list... when i try apt-get install kismet... i still get package not found
[04:16] <Jucato> intelikey: right on! :)
[04:16] <Jucato> !info kismet
[04:16] <WarrenT> ahh ok ill do update :)
[04:16] <ubotu> kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2006.04.R1-1.1 (edgy), package size 964 kB, installed size 2448 kB
[04:17] <WarrenT> i uncommented all the #deb's
[04:17] <philfo1> oh man.  I didn't run an update on the universe after I enabled it.
[04:17] <intelikey> did you add multiverse ?
[04:17] <philfo1> intelikely: me?
[04:17] <intelikey> and WarrenT
[04:18] <WarrenT> huh?
[04:18] <philfo1> I'm STILL trying to get my ATI GC to work properly
[04:18] <stdin> WarrenT: whenever you change that file, you need to update the package list, and you may as well add multiverse too (to the lines with universe)
[04:18] <WarrenT> i just uncommented all the lines with deb in sources.list
[04:18] <philfo1> but now I'm in a time crunch.
[04:18] <WarrenT> what is the exact line?
[04:19] <stdin> WarrenT: all the lines starting with deb and ending with universe
[04:19] <WarrenT> so i add multiverse ??
[04:19] <intelikey> all with the word deb* universe    can be   deb* universe multiverse
[04:19] <WarrenT> ahh ok
[04:19] <WarrenT> thanks will do
[04:20] <stdin> WarrenT: then, sudo apt-get update
[04:20] <WarrenT> yep thanks alot :0
[04:20] <sparr> installing a RPM on my kubuntu box for the first time...  i feel so unclean
[04:20] <WarrenT> real helpful you guys.
[04:20] <intelikey> sparr why in the world are you doing that ?
[04:21] <stdin> eww, rpm
[04:21] <WarrenT> hey wants a backdoor up the behind :)
[04:21] <intelikey> rpm is good but not on a debian based system.
[04:21] <hsystem-x> rpm sucks!
[04:21] <hsystem-x> deb rules.
[04:21] <speedo409> guys I am using kubuntu 6.10, How can I connect to Wireless assistant without entering my Sudo password each time I reboot my box
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> lets see how many dependency problems pop up
[04:21] <stdin> rpm is only good with apt-rpm
[04:22] <philfo1> thanks
[04:22] <speedo409> I want to connect like windows - automatically
[04:22] <WarrenT> oh
[04:22] <intelikey> stdin i beg to differ.   urpmi is a very capable package management system
[04:22] <WarrenT> last question, now that i apt-get kismet and its installed, in which directory will it be in??
[04:22] <sparr> intelikey: no debian-ish package available for what i want
[04:23] <stdin> intelikey: to tell the truth, the last time I used an RPM based system, was about 8 years ago
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> WarrenT: probably spread through multiple ones
[04:23] <intelikey> sparr ok.   out of curiosity what is it ?
[04:23] <WarrenT> so i should search for it hitmanWilly
[04:23] <stdin> WarrenT: use "dpkg -L kismet | less " to see all the files installed
[04:24] <speedo409> anybody here using wireless assistant ? I need help
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> WarrenT: what stdin said
[04:24] <WarrenT> ahh its in /etc
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> part of it
[04:24] <WarrenT> where is the executable file?
[04:24] <stdin> probably in /usr/bin
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> probably /usr/local/bin
[04:25] <stdin> WarrenT: but, like I said, use "dpkg -L kismet | less " to see all the files installed
[04:25] <WarrenT> makes sense
[04:25] <WarrenT> thanks
[04:25] <WarrenT> well i got like 20 directorys :)
[04:25] <sparr> intelikey: qsa (qt script for applications)
[04:25] <intelikey> WarrenT does it matter where it's installed ?    as long as the executable is in your $PATH just the name will do.   but if you must know    dpkg -L kismet | grep bin/
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> WarrenT: Linux splits progs up between multiple folders unlike that "other" system
[04:26] <philfo1> hey, if I just do this stuff over & over again  because i forgot to run an update like 5 steps ago, is this going to fix itself or will I just be screwed?
[04:26] <intelikey> sparr   hmmm.   ok.
[04:26] <neo_> yup its me again adking how to get soundblaster 16 audio working
[04:27] <philfo1> becasue formatting seems a lot simpler at this point.
[04:27] <speedo409> anybody here using wireless assistant ? I need help
[04:27] <intelikey> philfo1 when i was first migrating to linux i used to reload the system twice a weak whether i needed to or not....
[04:28] <philfo1> right.  well, I either use this machine tonight, or I lose a job.
[04:28] <philfo1> not so much lose a job, but definitely not get paid for my services.
[04:28] <neo_> not to sound like an a** but got backup
[04:29] <philfo1> I am so frustrated with this.  and yeah, it's my fault for being windows dependent
[04:30] <neo_> join the crowd
[04:30] <philfo1> yeah.  backup is having someone else doing the service & me not getting paid for what I know I can do.
[04:30] <intelikey> philfo1 let me see if i can help ya on this.   what exactly is the issue ?
[04:30] <neo_> well dont give up
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: at least you're trying to learn something new
[04:30] <philfo1> ATI driver
[04:30] <philfo1> true, true.
[04:31] <neo_> did you try checking x11
[04:31] <philfo1> I've been working on this migration for a month & I'm on my 5th day of complete immersion in linux
[04:31] <intelikey> ok and what is the "Error:" ?
[04:31] <philfo1> I did a driver install last night and my computer slowed down by about 50 times right after I restarted x
[04:32] <philfo1> the error is that it takes about one minute to open or load anything outside terminal
[04:32] <intelikey> oh yuch.  i've heard enough....
[04:32] <philfo1> and I have to do a 120MB photo restoration tonight!
[04:33] <neo_> sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf ????
[04:33] <intelikey> can you do it without ati drivers ?
[04:33] <neo_> did you try that on boot
[04:33] <neo_> kicking out or grub
[04:33] <philfo1> what? what?  and what?
[04:34] <philfo1> I don't know.
[04:34] <neo_> on boot kick out of grub the loader
[04:34] <philfo1> my computer was screaming fast two days ago with the improper driver
[04:34] <neo_> get to cmd
[04:34] <neo_> then run this command sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[04:34] <philfo1> ok, wait one.   remember:  5th day of Linucks
[04:35] <intelikey> can you do "the 120MB photo restoration" without ati drivers ?      might reconfigure xorg to use the generic driver   'vesa' maybe   and get your work done....  just a thought.
[04:35] <neo_> that gets you to video settings
[04:35] <coty> is there a way to install all know wifi drivers
[04:35] <neo_> sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: can you pastebin the contents?
[04:35] <neo_> got to kick out of the boot esc when grub starts to load
[04:35] <coty> I would like to install them from the konsole
[04:36] <philfo1> I should be able to since I'm not doing any 3d.  I'm just so sick of getting a hair away from having this thing working properly, but not
[04:36] <philfo1> what?
[04:36] <stdin> coty: most are in linux-restricted-modules
[04:36] <philfo1> pastebin?  what?
[04:36] <coty> So how would i get them all
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> !paste
[04:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:36] <coty> stdin: is there a command i can put in konsole
[04:36] <coty> stdin: just to install all of them
[04:37] <stdin> coty: what kernel are you on (uname -r)
[04:37] <coty> stdin: not sure
[04:37] <coty> stdin: how would i know
[04:37] <neo_> anyone know where i cn get a driver for soundblaster 16
[04:37] <stdin> coty: i meant use "uname -r" to find out
[04:37] <mrigns> just type "uname -r"
[04:37] <stdin> !soundblaster | neo_
[04:37] <ubotu> neo_: soundblaster is If you need help with setting up your soundblaster card, then visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundcardsWithHardwareSynth
[04:37] <coty> stdin: 2.6.15-28-386
[04:37] <neo_> thanks
[04:38] <intelikey> neo_ should be a module on disk already  ?
[04:38] <philfo1> hitmanWilly:  I don't get it.  does that mean that I need to be less wordy?
[04:38] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with k3b setup?
[04:38] <neo_> thanks intelikey
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: no, thats just the URL for pastebin
[04:38] <stdin> coty: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-386
[04:38] <philfo1> I don't get it.
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: i was just asking you to copy the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to pastebin
[04:39] <philfo1> there's SO MUCH new stuff I'm trying to ingest right now & I only know that "sudo" gets me anywhere I want to screw up
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: so i could take a look at it
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:39] <coty> stdin: it wount let me
[04:40] <philfo1> give me a sec
[04:40] <philfo1> thanks
[04:40] <coty> stdin: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:40] <philfo1> I'm gonna have an aneurysm tonight, I can feel it
[04:40] <stdin> coty: close adept/synaptic
[04:40] <coty> stdin: ok
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: it happens to the best of us
[04:41] <coty> stdin: it said i already had it
[04:41] <philfo1> how do I copy all that text?
[04:41] <intelikey> philfo1 i would sujest that you, in a kosnole, run this command;    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg       and sellect the vesa driver when asked.    and reset X      that's only a sujestion to try to help you get the thing working well enough to do what needs to be done.
[04:42] <coty> stdin: linux-restricted-modules-386 is already the newest version.
[04:42] <stdin> coty: then you have all the ones that you can get with apt
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: just like windows
[04:42] <coty> stdin: well i plug in my wifi antena and it does not say anything
[04:42] <philfo1> I don't mind staying up.  I want to get this driver in & in RIGHT.  if I have to go through this again, there's going to be a P4 in the schuylkill river
[04:42] <coty> stdin
[04:43] <stdin> coty: what doesn't say anything?
[04:43] <coty> stdin: it is a wifi max
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> philfo1: actually, try what intellikey suggested first
[04:43] <coty> stdin: the computer
[04:43] <philfo1> re-work is my biggest pet peeve.
[04:43] <intelikey> vidio card has nothing to do with the processor
[04:43] <neo_> hey how do i change my default browser to opera
[04:43] <coty> stdin: I plug in my wifi max into the usb port and nothing happens
[04:43] <coty> stdin: there is a driver i need for it
[04:44] <stdin> coty: it won't speak to you :P, just because you don't see it react doesn't mean that "nothing" happend
[04:44] <coty> stdin: i think it is zd somthing
[04:44] <philfo1> no, but it's the manefestation of this whole pile of electronic dung.
[04:44] <coty> stdin: well it is not sending a signal out
[04:44] <philfo1> sorry.  just frustrated.
[04:44] <intelikey> :_
[04:44] <pollyo> Anyone know where k3bsetup would be?
[04:44] <coty> stdin: my psp does not pick up on any wifi hot spots
[04:44] <intelikey> pollyo in the menu of the app maybe ?
[04:45] <stdin> coty: that's probably because you haven't set it up
[04:45] <stdin> coty: is usb right?
[04:45] <coty> stdin: so how should i
[04:45] <philfo1> intelikely: I would RATHER get the driver installed right and not have to revisit this issue
[04:45] <stdin> coty: in konsole, what does "lsusb" show ?
[04:45] <philfo1> I have until tomorrow night to deliver the photo
[04:45] <pollyo> intelikey: It looks like people are discussing another app that you run prior to k3b
[04:45] <coty> stdin:
[04:45] <coty> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 067c:e240 Efficient Networks, Inc.
[04:45] <coty> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[04:46] <coty> stdin: i dont have it pluged in
[04:46] <coty> stdin: should i plug it in
[04:46] <stdin> coty: heh, plug it in and re-run the command :)
[04:46] <pollyo> BRB
[04:47] <philfo1> so, is there anyone game for helping me out with running this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2  ??
[04:47] <coty> stdin: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS
[04:47] <philfo1> that is, if it works...
[04:48] <stdin> coty: ok, so it's sees it, that's good
[04:48] <coty> stdin: good
[04:48] <coty> stdin: you mean great
[04:48] <intelikey> pollyo i don't see any thing like that in the package database  but if it is part of the k3b packaes  just type it in the konsole   k3bsetup
[04:50] <stdin> coty: post the output of "lsusb -vs 001:003", "ifconfig" and "iwconfig" to pastebin
[04:51] <coty> !paste
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[04:51] <intelikey> need testers.    http://pastebin.us/?dl=19686
[04:52] <coty> intelikey: for what
[04:52] <stdin> S I S :)
[04:52] <thumper> does anyone else have the situation where Xorg starts taking 100% of the cpu?
[04:53] <coty> for some reason my internet got really slower when i switched to kbuntu
[04:53] <icarn> hello there, how can i what happen to my system 30min ago when somthing get all the cpu and disk power ?
[04:53] <intelikey> coty ipv6 prolly ?
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> !paste
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[04:54] <philfo1> in reconfiguring xserver-xorg, should I use the framebuffer device interface?  yes or no?
[04:54] <coty> intelikey: i have tried that
[04:54] <coty> intelikey: i dont think im doing it right
[04:55] <coty> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12854/
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: that script errored out on my system http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12853/
[04:56] <intelikey> coty you have edited    /etc/modprobe.d/aliases  set   alias net-pf-10 off   ?
[04:56] <philfo1> anyone?  anyone?  Beuler?       Beuler?
[04:56] <coty> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12855/
[04:56] <coty> intelikey: hmm
[04:56] <neo_> which restricted module has the sound drivers
[04:57] <neo_>  which restricted module has the sound drivers
[04:57] <stdin> intelikey: you use bashisms, so use /bin/bash not /bin/sh
[04:58] <intelikey> stdin not needed.  sh works fine.    did line 11 turncate on you or something ?
[04:58] <stdin> intelikey: 10: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[04:58] <coty> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12856/
[04:58] <intelikey> hitmanWilly did line 11 turncate ?
[04:58] <coty> stdin: there you go all three commands you gave me
[04:59] <coty> stdin: scroll up for the other two
[04:59] <neo_> any one know where in the restricted modules I can find sound drivers
[04:59] <intelikey> stdin ok  does changing /bin/sh to /bin/bash  fix your error ?
[04:59] <stdin> intelikey: yeah
[05:00] <intelikey> ok scrap it.  i'll rewrite.
[05:00] <coty> intelikey: so how do i turn of ipv6?
[05:00] <stdin> intelikey: it's because /bin/sh is dash here
 coty you have edited    /etc/modprobe.d/aliases  set   alias net-pf-10 off   ?
[05:01] <coty> intelikey: because im so tired of slow internet when i have dsl
[05:01] <coty> intelikey: i put the command in and i got an error
[05:01] <intelikey> what command ?
[05:01] <intelikey> and what error for that matter
[05:02] <coty> intelikey: that is a command right
[05:02] <stdin> intelikey: and "$(ifconfig -a | grep -A1 '^[A-z] ') shows nothing here, but "$(ifconfig -a | grep -iA1 '^[A-z] ')" shows them
[05:02] <intelikey> coty no
[05:02] <coty> intelikey: ok
[05:02] <coty> intelikey: so what is it
[05:02] <coty> intelikey: and what do i do
[05:02] <neo_> hey how stable is the new beta
[05:02] <neo_> im downloading it now
[05:02] <coty> intelikey: sorry i know im a pain
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> neo_: for feisty?
[05:03] <intelikey> coty edit the file.   change the line.
[05:03] <neo_> yea
[05:03] <intelikey> coty konsole   # sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/aliases #
[05:03] <neo_> feisty fawn
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> neo_: running it right now, works great for me
[05:03] <neo_> any crashes
[05:04] <stdin> coty: does "sudo iwconfig" show anything ?
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> neo_: not yet, continuous uptime for 3 days since i installed it
[05:04] <coty> intelikey: ok now what
[05:04] <intelikey> stdin then you are saying to me that [A-z]  == [a-z]   on that system ?
[05:04] <neo_> i havent run it yet but Im new to the ubuntu world but Im loving it so far
[05:04] <coty> stdin: yeah i gave it to you
[05:05] <intelikey> coty find line that says  "alias net-pf-10 ipv6"   change it to   "alias net-pf-10 off"
[05:05] <stdin> intelikey: no, "grep -iA1 '^[A-z] '" == "grep -A1 '^[a-z] '" (added the -i to grep)
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> neo_: switched to ubu about 6-7 mos back from fedora, never looked back
[05:05] <stdin> coty: with sudo ?
[05:06] <coty> intelikey: hmm... thoughs are two diffrent lines
[05:06] <coty> stdin: let me try
[05:06] <intelikey> stdin yes and you the  -i makes it case insesnitive so it is A-Z,a-z   but  [A-z]   is all ready that here
[05:06] <intelikey> you*  you know
[05:07] <coty> stdin: what is the command again
[05:07] <stdin> intelikey: [A-z]  outputs nothing on my system
[05:07] <stdin> coty: sudo iwconfig
[05:07] <coty> stdin: i got the same thing
[05:07] <neo_> im working on sound but there is no snd
[05:08] <coty> intelikey: alias net-pf-6  netrom
[05:08] <intelikey> stdin test.  echo -e 't\nT' | grep '[A-z] '
[05:08] <coty> intelikey: that is what is on line 6
[05:08] <stdin> intelikey: nothing
[05:08] <philfo1> lovely.  disabling my GC makes all my monitor color calibrations nil.
[05:08] <coty> intelikey: alias net-pf-10 ipv6
[05:08] <philfo1> this is just perfect.
[05:09] <coty> intelikey: that is what is on line 10
[05:09] <intelikey> yes line 10
[05:09] <stdin> intelikey: but, interestingly "echo -e 't\nT' | grep '[a-Z] '" works
[05:09] <Theresa> hello folks
[05:09] <intelikey> stdin hmmmmm
[05:09] <coty> intelikey: so i edit line 10 with alias net-pf-10 off
[05:09] <intelikey> coty yes
[05:10] <intelikey> stdin that aint right.... they have reordered char sorting
[05:10] <jmichaelx> has anyone completely trashed their systems by upgrading to feisty beta recently, or am i alone on this?
[05:10] <Theresa> I am in the embarrasing situation of working on a clients computer and being flummoxed.  In Open office all fonts in all wigets are now symbols. It's not readable. I have deleted the openoffice.org2 folder and it still remains the same. Any ideas?
[05:11] <intelikey> stdin see here  "echo -e 't\nT' | grep '[a-Z] '"  gets nothing.
[05:11] <coty> intelikey: my internet speed is the same
[05:11] <intelikey> coty that change only affect initialization.   boot time.
[05:12] <coty> oh
[05:12] <coty> it is asking what files to write it so
[05:12] <coty> to
[05:12] <coty> intelikey: which ones should i
[05:12] <intelikey> just hit enter
[05:13] <coty> ok
[05:13] <coty> thanks
[05:13] <jmichaelx> after attempting to upgrade to feisty, i cannot get bash anymore.... i get "busybox"... is there any hope for a recovery?
[05:14] <coty> stdin: so what do i do now
[05:14] <coty> stdin; you got all the paste i gave you right?
[05:15] <stdin> coty: yeah, just trying to find the driver for it
[05:15] <coty> stdin: were
[05:15] <philfo1> oh goodness.  xserver-xorg reset.  ordeal.
[05:15] <stdin> coty: google mostly :P
[05:15] <coty> intelikey: my internet now is super fast
[05:16] <coty> intelikey: but for some reason google loads slow
[05:17] <intelikey> coty i don't know anything about that.   maybe google was actually using ipv6  ?
[05:17] <Theresa> this is so frustrating
[05:17] <Theresa> it can't be a gtk thing as adept looks fine
[05:18] <coty> intelikey: it took awhile for it to load the search engin but now it flies
[05:20] <coty> intelikey: WOW my internet is SO FREAKING FAST
[05:20] <coty> intelikey:  i never knew it was this fast
[05:20] <Theresa> Jucato: oh
[05:20] <intelikey> stdin version you running ?
[05:20] <coty> intelikey: it was not this fast on windows
[05:20] <stdin> intelikey: feisty
[05:21] <intelikey> k
[05:22] <intelikey> stdin  i was sujested that it might be the builtin echo  try /bin/echo  ona that test
[05:22] <stdin> coty: do "sudo modprobe zd1211rw" then show "dmesg | tail"
[05:23] <stdin> intelikey:  "/bin/echo -e 't\nT' | /bin/grep '[A-z] '" shows nothing
[05:24] <stdin> intelikey:  and, again, reversing A-z for a-Z does
[05:24] <intelikey> k
[05:26] <Theresa> so what draws the widgets in Open Office? IT's the only thing that looked messed up.  The menus looks fine but everything in the tools bars is gibberish. In the font listings drop-down i have circle-square-halfmoon-double box-filled circle
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> Theresa: i think open office IS in fact GTK
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> i think...
[05:28] <coty> stdin: FATAL: Module zd1211rw not found.
[05:28] <Bearcat> so, it's a gtk thing then. hmm
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> maybe
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> try running gedit
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> i know that's gtk
[05:28] <Jucato> and also not installed by default :)
[05:29] <stdin> coty: run: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -type f -name "zd1211*"
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> i know, iwas hoping
[05:29] <Bearcat> ok, i think i've seen this before when i used Gnome a long time ago
[05:29] <icarn> Bearcat : may try to use kde config to use kde fonts in gtk apps (one cliin controle panel)
[05:30] <Bearcat> icarn: i messed around with that to no avail. I think it may be a pango problem
[05:30] <Jucato> "kde config" would be System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK+ Styles and Fonts
[05:31] <Bearcat> Jucato: right. That seems to make no difference. I'm gonna look for my gtk setting and kill them
[05:31] <nonuda> i have an application hang, how do i kill it?
[05:31] <intelikey> stdin i'm not getting comment from the guys in #bash  they are all grinning like the cat that swallowed the cannery, and won't admit that bash borked....   but neither will they accuse grep of being at fault   makes me think they will probably quietly fix it and say nothing.
[05:32] <stdin> intelikey: tried it in /bin/sh, /bin/csh, /bin/ksh and a couple others, all only work with [a-Z] 
[05:32] <coty> stdin: /lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/kernel/drivers/usb/net/zd1211/zd1211.ko
[05:32] <nonuda> yo stdin, my man..hehe
[05:33] <stdin> coty: ok, sudo modprobe zd1211
[05:33] <stdin> hey nonuda :)
[05:33] <coty> stdin: no output
[05:33] <coty> stdin: came up
[05:33] <stdin> coty: then "dmesg | tail" to pastebin
[05:33] <nonuda> stdin, how do i kill an application?
[05:33] <intelikey> stdin ok then it's not bash.   lets see if it's grep  test;  echo -e 't\nT' | sed 's/[A-z] /P/g'
[05:34] <stdin> intelikey: sed: -e expression #1, char 11: Invalid range end
[05:35] <Bearcat> how would i reinstall pango?
[05:35] <intelikey> stdin and if you reverse it ?
[05:35] <coty> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12860/
[05:35] <stdin> intelikey: again, "echo -e "t\nT" | sed 's/[a-Z] /P/g'" gives "P<new line>P"
[05:36] <Bearcat> nm
[05:36] <intelikey> stdin yep it's neither bash nor grep   it's something to do with regex.   and ubuntu prolly did it.
[05:36] <stdin> coty: and "iwconfig" now shows?
[05:36] <coty> stdin: nothing
[05:37] <stdin> intelikey: strange
[05:37] <coty> I hope to be getting a better computer this weekend
[05:37] <stdin> coty: what about "iwconfig wlan0" ?
[05:37] <coty> first thing im doing is....
[05:37] <intelikey> that could give all kinds of trubble in scripts.   it may not only apply to A-z  it is a reordering or chars so i don't know what all will be affected.
[05:37] <coty> stdin: wlan0     No such device
[05:38] <stdin> aww :p
[05:38] <intelikey> it's not posix tho
[05:38] <coty> first thing im doing as soon as i get that computer is wiping out microsoft and installing my beutiful kubuntu
[05:40] <stdin> there really is no documentation on ZyDAS
[05:41] <icarn> Bearcat : lissage des polices de KDE (Centre de configuration > Apparence et Thmes > Polices > Configurer > Activer le halo par sous-pixellisation). (in french but who care)
[05:41] <coty> stdin: i know thats the problem
[05:42] <WaxyFresh> i cant figure out the proper way to get ddat display a day in the futor or past,any help?lets dd/mm/yy
[05:42] <WaxyFresh> ddate*
[05:42] <coty> the new computer im getting has a bad hard drive
[05:43] <coty> so im not sure how im going to install kubuntu
[05:44] <Bearcat> icarn: thakn you, but my french is almost on-existant
[05:44] <WaxyFresh> !fr
[05:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:46] <bruja8> hi, guys, how do i make the live cd not load bcm43xx modules?
[05:46] <Bearcat> well thanks for the help folks. I gotta scram
[05:46] <icarn> Bearcat : ok so System Settings -> Appearance ->  Polices -> "lisser"(configure) then halo ; should be what u look 4.
[05:46] <daskreech2> bruja8: blacklist he,
[05:46] <daskreech2> them
[05:47] <daskreech2> oh wait
[05:47] <daskreech2> Live cd
[05:48] <bruja8> daskreech2, how do i make it install the distro without the bcm43xx for that matter?
[05:48] <coty> I am at this point really sad
[05:48] <daskreech2> well if you are going to install it then you can blacklist it after
[05:48] <coty> I am watching the youtube vids of beryl
[05:48] <coty> and i want beryl
[05:48] <daskreech2> :-)
[05:49] <bruja8> ohhhh yeah, i forgot that! but which file do i blacklist it in?
[05:49] <daskreech2> ummmm
[05:49] <intelikey> stdin ok test this one in place of the other,   i patched it for your non-posix system    http://pastebin.us/19707
[05:49] <icarn> what happend ?
[05:49] <daskreech2> something ni /etc/modules
[05:49] <bruja8> ohhhh, k
[05:49] <coty> cant someone help me with getting beryl
[05:50] <icarn> c pas cool
[05:50] <bruja8> what's the matter coty?
[05:50] <odin__> coty whats wrong?
[05:50] <daskreech2> coty: installeed your vid card drivere already?
[05:50] <coty> i want beryl *coty crys
[05:50] <odin__> coty: i installed vid drivers with Envy and it worked with aiglx first time round
[05:50] <coty> i want my screen to be a cube
[05:50] <bruja8> did you install the packages coty?
[05:51] <intelikey> so feisty has really hosed regex...
[05:51] <coty> no
[05:51] <coty> i dont know were to get them
[05:51] <bones> anyone ever have Kubuntu/Ubuntu start up and stay in comand line?
[05:51] <coty> i have no idea what to do
[05:51] <intelikey> anyone running feisty care to drop this in a konsole# echo -e 'R\nr' | grep '[A-z] ' ;echo -e 'R\nr' | sed 's/[a-Z] /E;/g'
[05:52] <odin__> coty: nvidia or ati?
[05:52] <coty> how do i know
[05:52] <coty> someone asked me before but never tolled me how to find out
[05:52] <intelikey> R means it's correct   E;  well you know what E; means.
[05:52] <odin__> um
[05:52] <icarn> nviida
[05:53] <stdin> intelikey: the "patched" script works now
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: double E's.
[05:53] <stdin> intelikey: and I got E;'s
[05:53] <odin__> how u know icarn?
[05:53] <odin__> :p
[05:53] <intelikey> LeeJunFan k just wanted to dubble check that it wasn't stdin's box only.
[05:53] <icarn> :b
[05:53] <intelikey> ok there needs to be a bug filed on that .
[05:54] <daskreech2> coty: lshw -C video
[05:54] <coty> ok
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I should say :)
[05:55] <intelikey> LeeJunFan you regestered ?
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I didn't catch your earlier stuff, and I'm sitting here looking at this going WTF happened?  hehe
[05:55] <nonuda> can i install gnome desktop in kubuntu? can gnome and kde exist in one machine?
[05:55] <stdin> intelikey: tested it on an OpenBSD box, and I got R r and "sed: 1: "s/[a-Z] /E;/g": RE error: invalid character range"
[05:56] <stdin> nonuda: sure, just install "ubuntu-desktop"
[05:56] <coty> !paste
[05:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:56] <odin__> what does it say coty, nvidia or ati?
[05:56] <intelikey> LeeJunFan feisty has "re-ordered" the standard chars in 'regex'    that's like saying all scripts of any lang not specifically writen for feisty ubuntu should not be used on feisty.
[05:56] <intelikey> it breaks posix compliance and has serious implications.
[05:57] <intelikey> stdin yes that's posix complient.
[05:57] <coty> odin_: it says it no wer
[05:57] <coty> were
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: shouldn't the second one be E?
[05:57] <odin__> :/
[05:57] <intelikey> LeeJunFan yes see stdin above.
[05:58] <odin__> lshw -C video says "nowhere"? :p
[05:58] <odin__> under vendor:
[05:58] <coty> should i run the command in super-user
[05:58] <coty> that is what it said
[05:58] <odin__> no need
[05:58] <coty> ok
[05:58] <intelikey> this is normal.  tty4 [greg$~]  echo -e 'R\nr' | grep '[A-z] ' ;echo -e 'R\nr' | sed 's/[a-Z] /E;/g'R
[05:58] <intelikey> r
[05:58] <intelikey> sed: -e expression #1, char 12: Invalid range end
[05:58] <coty> let me paste what the out put was
[05:58] <odin__> kk
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: which package should that be filed under? is that libc's job?
[06:00] <coty> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12863/
[06:00] <intelikey> LeeJunFan i think libc6  but i'm not sure.
[06:00] <ouellettesr> hello if im installing openoffice from their website, should i install the debian menu package under desktop integration
[06:00] <odin__> intel
[06:00] <odin__> :/
[06:01] <coty> hmmm
[06:02] <Hrontore> intelikey: what distro are you using?
[06:02] <intelikey> Hrontore ubuntu
[06:02] <Hrontore> ahh
[06:02] <coty> so can someone help me with getting beryl
[06:02] <odin__> gimme a sec :p
[06:02] <intelikey> Hrontore and you ?
[06:03] <coty> i really get saddier by the second watching these vids of it
[06:03] <Hrontore> intelikey: Kubuntu
[06:03] <ouellettesr> any ideas anyone?
[06:03] <intelikey> yeah i thought we were probably both using ubuntu
[06:04] <Hrontore> ouelletters: have you tried using apt?
[06:04] <Hrontore> You may need to add repositorys
[06:04] <odin__> coty: type glxinfo | grep direct
[06:04] <intelikey> ouellettesr why from their site ?
[06:05] <coty> direct rendering: No
[06:05] <coty> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:05] <Hrontore> i have the same problem
[06:05] <ouellettesr> theres a bug in database where you cant save a form, the only work around is installing the version on their website
[06:05] <intelikey> ok.
[06:06] <odin__> coty: this is out of my league, if at all possible :p
[06:06] <odin__> ask about
[06:06] <odin__> try #beryl
[06:06] <ouellettesr> i downloaded it and the nstructions say to delete anything not for my release, im not sure if i need to delete the debian menu package under desktop integration
[06:07] <Hrontore> i need help with fglrx
[06:07] <intelikey> shoot i'm late.. gota make rounds.
[06:07] <Hrontore> installing a binary driver for radeon 6900
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I don't think it's a bug, both E's are coming from the sed.
[06:07] <Hrontore> 9600*
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> \nr should be \n\r
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> bah
[06:11] <carutsu> sorry to ask here, but is there an OpenOffice channel?
[06:11] <daskreech2> coty: out of luck?
[06:12] <daskreech2> #openoffice.org
[06:12] <coty> yeap out of luck
[06:12] <daskreech2> and I think a #openoffice.org-users
[06:12] <odin__> coty doesnt seem to be doing well
[06:12] <carutsu> daskreech2 thank you very much
[06:12] <odin__> :[
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> coty: what gfx card you have?
[06:12] <coty> i took my stress out on another channel
[06:12] <daskreech2> intel
[06:12] <coty> yes
[06:12] <daskreech2> better than a sis
[06:12] <odin__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12863/ for chipset details
[06:13] <coty> i flooded one of my mosted hated channels
[06:13] <coty> thats how stressed i am
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> hrm, sorry, I know nothing about their cards except that linux finally gets a gfx card maker to open source it and comes up with a worse driver than hacked ATI ones :(
[06:13] <odin__> #windows ?
[06:13] <Re|ent|ess> lol
[06:13] <Re|ent|ess> hey umm
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, SIS sucks. I have 24 of them at the library, I'd love to run beryl on those systems.
[06:14] <coty> so
[06:14] <daskreech2> coty: #spywarerus ?
[06:14] <coty> how am i going to install this
[06:14] <Re|ent|ess> why is it that i installed kubuntu and like none of my programs will install
[06:14] <daskreech2> coty: your wi fi card?
[06:14] <coty> what about it
[06:14] <Re|ent|ess> like apache
[06:14] <Re|ent|ess> and php
[06:14] <daskreech2> Re|ent|ess: none of which program?
[06:14] <odin__> buy a cheap nvidia card on ebay and installing it will be a breeze :D
[06:14] <Re|ent|ess> and mysql
[06:15] <daskreech2> how are you installing them?
[06:15] <Re|ent|ess> and xchat
[06:15] <Re|ent|ess> and
[06:15] <coty> i am not for now
[06:15] <coty> im focused on beryl
[06:15] <Re|ent|ess> source l
[06:15] <Re|ent|ess> your spose to install from source
[06:15] <Re|ent|ess> if you cant compile then your not a linux user
[06:15] <Re|ent|ess> your a n00b
[06:16] <daskreech2> Re|ent|ess: please dont be an idiot
[06:16] <daskreech2> !install
[06:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[06:16] <Re|ent|ess> oh im not
[06:16] <carutsu> Relentless easy on him
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> aye aye
[06:16] <carutsu> Relentless he's new
[06:16] <daskreech2> !apt | Re|ent|ess
[06:16] <ubotu> Re|ent|ess: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:16] <Re|ent|ess> <serious linux user
[06:16] <daskreech2> :-
[06:16] <daskreech2> ))
[06:17] <Re|ent|ess> !rpm | daskreech2
[06:17] <ubotu> daskreech2: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:17] <odin__> doesnt mean u have to be rude
[06:17] <Re|ent|ess> lol
[06:17] <Re|ent|ess> alien is not dangerous
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> !build-essential | Re|ent|ess
[06:17] <ubotu> Re|ent|ess: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:17] <carutsu> remember Dont bite the newbies!
[06:17] <Re|ent|ess> ok
[06:17] <Re|ent|ess> i wont
[06:18] <Re|ent|ess> :D
[06:18] <Hrontore> okay i tried following the instructions (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI) but ran into a problem with fglrx
[06:18] <Hrontore> i dont know
[06:19] <Re|ent|ess> !google fglrx
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google fglrx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <Re|ent|ess> ?
[06:19] <Re|ent|ess> !fglrx
[06:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:19] <Re|ent|ess> there we go
[06:19] <Re|ent|ess> ok
[06:19] <Re|ent|ess> hmm
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: ran into what problem?
[06:20] <Hrontore> its ati!
[06:20] <Hrontore> well i just dont know
[06:20] <Hirvinen> Re|ent|ess: It doesn't google, but replies with factoids from its own database.
[06:20] <Hrontore> one sec
[06:20] <Hrontore> $ fglrxinfo
[06:20] <Hrontore> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[06:20] <Hrontore> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:20] <Hrontore> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:20] <Hrontore> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[06:20] <Hrontore> thats the problem
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: yep, did you install the fglrx driver package?
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> not just the modules
[06:21] <Hrontore> how do i check?
[06:21] <Re|ent|ess> lsmod
[06:21] <Re|ent|ess> in a root shell
[06:21] <Hrontore> now thats a list
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> no, that's the module.
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[06:22] <Re|ent|ess> hmm
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> dpkg -l | grep fglrx | sort
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> it can :)
[06:22] <Re|ent|ess> i belive if you want to check you modules loaded you type lsmod
[06:22] <Re|ent|ess> !lsmod
[06:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lsmod - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:22] <Re|ent|ess> lsmode ls= list mod=modules
[06:22] <ffffu> hey
[06:22] <ffffu> hi
[06:23] <ffffu> i need help on loading on raid.. my grub keeps hanging
[06:23] <coty> Now im really starting to love kubuntu
[06:23] <Re|ent|ess> raid/scisi
[06:23] <coty> like super love
[06:23] <Re|ent|ess> !raid
[06:23] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:23] <coty> it strems videos great
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> coty found vlc
[06:23] <coty> when i was on windows youtube vids were chopy
[06:23] <coty> hmm
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> oh, that direction. hehe
[06:24] <Hrontore> leejunfan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12873/
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> coty: I thought you were streaming out.
[06:24] <coty> When watching youtube vids on kubuntu they are not choppy like they were with windows
[06:24] <ffffu> keeps going into busybox
[06:24] <ffffu> what shd i do
[06:25] <Re|ent|ess> ffffu: busybox? are you dual booting
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: okay, so you've go the libs installed okay, did you change your video driver in xorg.conf to fglrx?
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: are you running feisty? and what model # ati you got?
[06:25] <ffffu> no..seems like the kernal couldn't find my harddisk (raid)
[06:25] <ffffu> i think the modules should be loaded but i don't know what modules
[06:25] <Re|ent|ess> do you see your drive on live?
[06:26] <ffffu> yeah i did
[06:26] <ffffu> live installation is okay
[06:26] <coty> yay im getting help with beryl
[06:26] <Hrontore> LeeJunFan: the card is an RAdeon 9600 and running edgy
[06:26] <ffffu> after that, grub loader loads the kernal and i'm in busy box
[06:26] <Re|ent|ess> are you @ your box now?
[06:26] <Re|ent|ess> oh
[06:26] <Re|ent|ess> did you read about raid drives?
[06:26] <Re|ent|ess> !raid
[06:26] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:26] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:26] <ffffu> yeah..i'm doing a installation via live cd again..will get into busybox again later..i'll let u know after i get into that
[06:26] <Re|ent|ess> do the firdt one
[06:27] <ffffu> meanwhile reading
[06:27] <coty> !kubuntulove
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntulove - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: then glxinfo to see if your client vendor changed.
[06:27] <daskreech2> coty: where from?
[06:27] <odin__> ImagemagicK - huh?
[06:27] <Hrontore> LeeJunFan: Just like into the consol
[06:27] <coty> #beryl
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: if itt's dropping you to busybox then it's failing in initrd.
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: yeah.
[06:27] <Re|ent|ess> way to step on my toes LeeJunFan
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> yeah, you're welcome Re|ent|ess :)
[06:28] <Re|ent|ess> lol
[06:28] <carutsu> how do i install a deb file?
[06:28] <Re|ent|ess> seriously not cool tho
[06:28] <Re|ent|ess> click on it
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> carutsu: dpkg -i [file] 
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> or that. :)
[06:28] <Re|ent|ess> !deb
[06:29] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[06:29] <ffffu> LeeJunFan: yeah.. what should i do in the busybox ?
[06:29] <Re|ent|ess> :O
[06:29] <nonuda_> guys, i want to install linux+wine on pentium 200mmx 64 mb ram, what distro should i use?
[06:29] <Re|ent|ess> nothing
[06:29] <Re|ent|ess> !wine
[06:29] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:29] <ffffu> LeeJunFan: i know i should load my raid1 by using modprobe raid1 ..is it correct?
[06:29] <carutsu> LeeJunFan thanks
[06:29] <Re|ent|ess> wtf
[06:30] <Re|ent|ess> i said how to install
[06:30] <Re|ent|ess> <_<
[06:30] <ouellettesr> nonuda_ i would use xubuntu
[06:30] <Re|ent|ess> me
[06:30] <ffffu> LeeJunFan: what should i do in the busybox ?
[06:30] <nonuda_> !xubuntu
[06:30] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[06:30] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: has it ever worked? What happened to break it?
[06:30] <Hrontore> LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12874/ (its still mesa)
[06:31] <nonuda_> thanks
[06:31] <Re|ent|ess> Hrontore: i dont think your driver is supported yet
[06:31] <daskreech2> carutsu: right click it and select kubuntu package menu
[06:31] <ffffu> i don't know..live cd installation was ok..after that it just boot into busybox
[06:31] <ouellettesr> nonuda_, np
[06:31] <Hrontore> nnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooo
[06:31] <Re|ent|ess> you could build a driver
[06:31] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: I think maybe it needs a reinstall as in sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx && sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:32] <daskreech2> ffffu: where does it freak?
[06:32] <Hrontore> i'll do that
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: the fglrx drivers setup a 'diversion' or whatever it's called, it moves your mesa drivers and replaces them with ones from ati, it doesn't look like that is working for you.
[06:32] <Hrontore> y
[06:33] <ffffu> brb trhanks for the help i going for lunch first ;p
[06:33] <Hrontore> oops ment for that y to be in consol
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> Hrontore: I'm running a 9200 on one machine and a 9700 on this one, it works in edgy.
[06:33] <Re|ent|ess> Hrontore: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx
[06:33] <Hrontore> LeeJunFan: im running 9600 cuase that waht it came with
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: hrm, to me it sounds like your initrd just wasn't built right :( Not sure if you can fix it from there.
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: initrd isn't really something you can fix unless you have a working machine.
[06:34] <Re|ent|ess> !initrd
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initrd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:34] <Re|ent|ess> lol
[06:34] <jeffto> hello everybody
[06:34] <Re|ent|ess> hi jeffto
[06:34] <jeffto> hi Re|ent|ess
[06:34] <Re|ent|ess> what can i help ya with?
[06:35] <jeffto> I have a trouble related to my CD/DVD/RW drive
[06:35] <Re|ent|ess> !cdrw
[06:35] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[06:35] <jeffto> nop
[06:35] <Re|ent|ess> what is the problem?
[06:35] <jeffto> not related to how to create an iso file
[06:35] <jeffto> My DVD unit can burn at 10X
[06:36] <jeffto> but using K3b is burning at 2X
[06:36] <jeffto> the same happend with CDroms
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> jeffto: feisty?
[06:36] <jeffto> nop, edgy
[06:36] <jeffto> on a toshiba A105 laptop
[06:36] <Re|ent|ess> LeeJunFan: ty but i am heling him
[06:36] <Re|ent|ess> :p
[06:36] <Re|ent|ess> learn how to be a good helpwe
[06:36] <Re|ent|ess> ^helper
[06:37] <LeeJunFan> are you? :)
[06:37] <Re|ent|ess> yeah
[06:37] <Re|ent|ess> bish
[06:37] <Re|ent|ess> is you drive reconized?
[06:37] <jeffto> yes
[06:37] <Re|ent|ess> is K#b set to auto?
[06:37] <Re|ent|ess> ^k3b
[06:38] <jeffto> yes
[06:38] <Re|ent|ess> for 10x didi you set it to the setting?
[06:38] <jeffto> yes , on setup it's like you say
[06:38] <jeffto> but when start to burn, no matter if a I do it like normal user or like root
[06:39] <jeffto> always burn at 2x
[06:39] <Re|ent|ess> you get it at 2x
[06:39] <Re|ent|ess> hmm
[06:39] <jeffto> but, wait a second
[06:39] <Re|ent|ess> are your burn corrpt?
[06:39] <Re|ent|ess> ^burns
[06:39] <jeffto> nop
[06:39] <Re|ent|ess> hmm..
[06:39] <Re|ent|ess> is DMA on?
[06:39] <jeffto> where I can see that?
[06:39] <Re|ent|ess> !dma
[06:39] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[06:40] <Re|ent|ess> dma may not be on for /dev/hcd ( or what every its named
[06:40] <martalli> Are suse-style kde menus available for kubuntu?
[06:41] <Re|ent|ess> !suse
[06:41] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[06:41] <Re|ent|ess> hmm
[06:41] <jeffto> let me try
[06:41] <Re|ent|ess> !suse-style
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suse-style - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <martalli> !kicker
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kicker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <Re|ent|ess> lol
[06:41] <martalli> I guess I could figure it out if I knew what the menu was called
[06:41] <odin__> !windows
[06:41] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:41] <odin__> lol
[06:41] <martalli> I'll check #suse
[06:41] <jeffto> martalli, did you have searh on kde-look?
[06:41] <odin__> had to try
[06:41] <odin__> :D
[06:41] <jeffto> *search
[06:42] <martalli> ubotu rocks
[06:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rocks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:42] <martalli> lol i wasn't talking to you but about you ubotu
[06:42] <Re|ent|ess> im getting a goole bot on here
[06:42] <Re|ent|ess> brb
[06:42] <odin__> lol
[06:42] <odin__> we need a fishbot tbh
[06:43] <Hirvinen> !bots
[06:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bots - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:43] <odin__> fishbot only lives on quakenet :p
[06:43] <odin__> warm waters, he likes it there
[06:44] <daskreech2> martalli: kickoff
[06:44] <daskreech2> !kickoff
[06:44] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[06:44] <martalli> daskreech2, Thanks
[06:44] <jeffto> Nop
[06:44] <martalli> I asked in  #suse and no answer, jst ringing echos
[06:45] <jeffto> I have a failed message
[06:45] <jeffto> HDIO_GETGEO failed: inappropiate ioctl for device
[06:46] <draik> !beryl
[06:46] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:47] <jeffto> Re|ent|ess, nope
[06:47] <jeffto> it fails
[06:47] <daskreech2> martalli: :-)
[06:47] <jeffto> HDIO_GETGEO failed: inappropiate ioctl for device
[06:47] <Re|ent|ess> what was the last thing i said >_>
[06:48] <odin__> [05:42]  <Re|ent|ess> brb
[06:48] <odin__> :p
[06:48] <Re|ent|ess> lol
[06:48] <jeffto> that try turning on DMA
[06:48] <martalli> That's too bad, kickoff is not available int he repos
[06:49] <odin__> google a repo with it in, u might strike it lucky
[06:49] <odin__> :] 
[06:49] <daskreech2> martalli: still beta
[06:50] <odin__> bleh right
[06:50] <odin__> tis 6am
[06:50] <odin__> off to bed
[06:50] <odin__> nn
[06:50] <daskreech2> night
[06:53] <OsteHovel> bedtime now? its 06 in the morning here...
[06:53] <OsteHovel> :P
[06:54] <aznsld> hi all
[06:54] <daskreech2> hey
[06:54] <aznsld> How is everyone
[06:57] <philfo1> how can I find out WHY my computer is using 1.9GB of memory?
[06:57] <Re|ent|ess> !google lol
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  #1 LOL.com - Laugh out loud at funny jokes and comments ( http://www.lol.com/ )
[06:57] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  Desc: n/a
[06:57] <Lord_Ramen> [Google]  #1 LOL.com - Laugh out loud at funny jokes and comments ( http://www.lol.com/ )
[06:57] <Lord_Ramen> [Google]  Desc: n/a
[06:57] <Lord_Ramen> yay
[06:58] <Hrontore> LeeJunFan: im running 9600 cuase that waht it came with
[06:58] <Hrontore> rod@rod-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg -i xorg-driver-fglrx_8.35.5-1*.deb
[06:58] <Hrontore> dpkg: error processing xorg-driver-fglrx_8.35.5-1*.deb (--install):
[06:58] <Hrontore>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[06:58] <Hrontore> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:58] <Hrontore>  xorg-driver-fglrx_8.35.5-1*.deb
[06:58] <Hrontore> rod@rod-desktop:~$
[06:58] <Hrontore> oops didnt mean to do that
[06:58] <philfo1> hola?
[06:58] <daskreech2> hola
[06:58] <Re|ent|ess> yes philfo1
[06:59] <philfo1> I'm just wondering how I can find out WHY my computer is using what appears in Top to be 1.9GB of memory
[06:59] <philfo1> and what I can kill
[06:59] <Re|ent|ess> do you have a swap?
[06:59] <philfo1> yes
[06:59] <daskreech2> philfo1: memory  + swap + plus wishful thinking
[06:59] <Re|ent|ess> is the swap aleast 2g
[07:00] <philfo1> I think so.
[07:00] <lunar-raven> !w32codecs
[07:00] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:00] <Hrontore> LeeJunFan:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12876/
[07:00] <philfo1> let me open gparted
[07:00] <philfo1> unless there's another way I can find out.
[07:00] <lunar-raven> !mplayer64
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mplayer64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:01] <Re|ent|ess> type mount --list -v
[07:01] <Re|ent|ess> mount -v i mean
[07:01] <Re|ent|ess> see if its mounted first
[07:02] <Re|ent|ess> !google mplayer64
[07:02] <philfo1> I don't know what to make of this
[07:02] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  #1 Mplayer64[INACTIVE]  - BestTechie Forums ( http://www.besttechie.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=8274 )
[07:02] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  Desc: n/a
[07:02] <Re|ent|ess> c/c/p
[07:03] <Re|ent|ess> copy it here philfo1
[07:03] <philfo1> what?  the info?
[07:04] <Re|ent|ess> yes
[07:04] <philfo1> isn't that a bit much?
[07:04] <Re|ent|ess> copy it
[07:04] <Re|ent|ess> nop
[07:04] <philfo1> how do I copy all that?
[07:04] <Jucato> !pastebin
[07:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:04] <Re|ent|ess> ty
[07:04] <Re|ent|ess> hi Andruk
[07:04] <pollyo> !libdvdcss2
[07:04] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:06] <Re|ent|ess> hi troxor
[07:06] <philfo1> it's just THIS slow!  this is amazing!  carrier pigeons move info faster!
[07:06] <Re|ent|ess> !google libdvdcss2
[07:06] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  #1 libdvdcss2 and w32codecs for Ubuntu  Ubuntu Blog ( http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/12/04/libdvdcss2-and-w32codecs-for-ubuntu/ )
[07:06] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  Desc: n/a
[07:07] <philfo1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12877/
[07:07] <philfo1> there you go
[07:07] <Re|ent|ess> netsplit!
[07:07] <Jucato> !nvidia
[07:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:07] <Re|ent|ess> !google ATI Ubuntu
[07:08] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  #1 BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - Community Ubuntu Documentation ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI )
[07:08] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  Desc: n/a
[07:08] <Re|ent|ess> lol
[07:08] <Jucato> Re|ent|ess: stop doing that please
[07:08] <philfo1> you talking to me relentless?
[07:08] <Re|ent|ess> yes philfo1
[07:08] <philfo1> what does this mean?
[07:09] <Re|ent|ess> i dont see a swap mounted
[07:09] <philfo1> so how do I fix that?
[07:10] <philfo1> there are no words for my amount of frustration with this operating system right now
[07:10] <Re|ent|ess> resize and make 2 gigs available and make it a swap
[07:11] <philfo1> I HAVE a swap!
[07:11] <philfo1> can't I just mount the partition?
[07:11] <Re|ent|ess> mount -u
[07:11] <Re|ent|ess> srry
[07:11] <philfo1> what does this command do?
[07:11] <Re|ent|ess> mount -a
[07:11] <Re|ent|ess> mount all of the drvies installed
[07:12] <philfo1> U?  they don't have letters though, right?
[07:12] <Re|ent|ess> mount -a
[07:12] <Re|ent|ess> -a stands for all
[07:13] <philfo1> ok, I did "sudo mount -a" & it just got me to the next $
[07:13] <philfo1> is that it?
[07:13] <Re|ent|ess> yes
[07:13] <Re|ent|ess> everything sould be mounted
[07:14] <philfo1> I am quite perturbed, but it's not your fault.
[07:14] <philfo1> the funny thing is, is that you mention the ATI card.
[07:14] <Re|ent|ess> is your memeoer still being aten?
[07:14] <Re|ent|ess> ^memory
[07:15] <philfo1> top says 1929800k used
[07:15] <Re|ent|ess> what application do you have running?
[07:16] <philfo1> konqueror, konsole, konversation.
[07:16] <philfo1> I don't know what is going in the background
[07:16] <Re|ent|ess> hmm
[07:16] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: it's normal to have almost all your memory in use, linux uses your free memory for cache.
[07:16] <Jucato> !ram
[07:16] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> you can relase your memory by using a smaller destop
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> ^desktop
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> !google fluxbox
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google fluxbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <Jucato> philfo1: Linux handles memory differently from Windows
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  #1 .:F L U X B O X:. - Welcome to fluxbox ( http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ )
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  Desc: n/a
[07:17] <philfo1> why the F%$@ did I leave windows?!?  it's been 4 whole days of pain.
[07:17] <Jucato> Re|ent|ess: again, please stop with the script
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> not a scrip
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> tt
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> im on my eggdrop
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> <_<
[07:17] <Re|ent|ess> i rock
[07:18] <Jucato> whatever it is please stop it.
[07:18] <philfo1> nothing but diagnosing and getting things right and diagnosing and reloading.
[07:18] <Jucato> or reduce it to a one line thing
[07:18] <philfo1> this is EASIER!?
[07:18] <Re|ent|ess> floxbox is a small and easyer desktop
[07:18] <Re|ent|ess> ^fluxbox
[07:18] <Jucato> philfo1: have you considered other Linux distributions?
[07:18] <philfo1> I'm not a masochist
[07:18] <philfo1> what for?
[07:19] <Jucato> Re|ent|ess: the "release your memory by using a smaller desktop" is only half true.
[07:19] <aaroncampbell_> Do people prefer kopete or gaim?
[07:19] <philfo1> I've got 4gb ram
[07:19] <Re|ent|ess> gaim use more mem
[07:19] <aaroncampbell_> I've always used gaim, but I see that feisty comes with kopete
[07:19] <philfo1> 3.4GHz P4, that should be enough
[07:19] <freeza> how do you install a kde theme from kde-look.org that comes in a bz2 file?
[07:19] <Jucato> philfo1: more than enough
[07:19] <Re|ent|ess> !kde
[07:19] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[07:19] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: go read the link Jucato had ubotu send - it'll explain why you're "using" ram.
[07:19] <Jucato> freeza: what kind of theme it is
[07:20] <philfo1> exactly
[07:20] <freeza> one sec ill get exact link to it
[07:20] <martalli> I have kubuntu 6.10 running on a p2 333mhx laptop
[07:20] <Re|ent|ess> !ram
[07:20] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: better yet run free and look at the line +/- buffers
[07:20] <Jucato> philfo1: what problem are you experiencing with your RAM exactly?
[07:20] <coty> when i install aget am i suppose to see it somwere in my menu
[07:20] <freeza> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Domino?content=42804
[07:20] <martalli> Runs fairly well.  I am not relly certainly there is  aplace for things like fluxbuntu *just to make old hardware work*
[07:20] <Jucato> freeza: you will have to compile it. widget styles are compiled or installed like programs
[07:20] <philfo1> some process is using more than half of it, that's what.
[07:21] <philfo1> leejunfan: at the WHAT?
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: when you run top press M and it'll sort by memory.
[07:21] <freeza> ok so since its a bz2 just a normal ./configure, make, make install will do?
[07:21] <coty> !aget
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aget - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <Jucato> !compile | freeza
[07:21] <ubotu> freeza: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:21] <martalli>  For complete antiques, a distro like puppylinux would probably be better,though
[07:21] <Jucato> freeza: your guide tocompiling ^^^
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: when you run "free" from a console it'll tell you about your memory use, the real memory used for programs is in the +/- buffers line.
[07:21] <freeza> cool thx
[07:21] <coty> when i installed aget am i suppose to see an icon in the menu
[07:21] <Re|ent|ess> is it just more or is this distro the hardest to use?
[07:22] <Re|ent|ess> KNOPPIX
[07:22] <martalli> man, wait for a ten minutes and there is yet another update int he repo's
[07:22] <Re|ent|ess> get knoppix
[07:22] <Re|ent|ess> !google knoppix download
[07:22] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  #1 KNOPPIX - Mirrors ( http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html )
[07:22] <Re|ent|ess> [Google]  Desc: n/a
[07:22] <Jucato> philfo1: are you sure it's a single app using your RAM? you can graphically check if it's really an app or the disk cache bye running K Menu -> System -> KInfoCenter and clicking on Memory
[07:22] <Jucato> Re|ent|ess: I am giving you your last warning. please stop that. or reduce that to one line.
[07:22] <philfo1> ok, that makes more sense
[07:23] <coty> daskreech2: when i install aget am i suppose to see an icon in the menu
[07:23] <daskreech2> what aget?
[07:23] <daskreech2> waht is aget?
[07:23] <daskreech2> 1aget
[07:23] <daskreech2> !aget
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aget - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <coty> a download accelerater
[07:23] <daskreech2> oh
[07:23] <daskreech2> umm
[07:23] <coty> like wget
[07:23] <daskreech2> why not kget?
[07:23] <coty> ok
[07:23] <coty> never heard of it
[07:23] <coty> let me go get it
[07:23] <daskreech2> !kget
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kget - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:24] <daskreech2> !info kget
[07:24] <philfo1> 28 seconds to open that window.
[07:24] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 432 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[07:24] <Jucato> daskreech2: kget is not a download accelerator though
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> !info kget
[07:24] <daskreech2> it isn't ?
[07:24] <daskreech2> !info aget
[07:24] <ubotu> aget: Multithreaded HTTP Download Accelerator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-6 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 72 kB
[07:24] <daskreech2> ah
[07:24] <Re|ent|ess> !online
[07:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about online - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:24] <Re|ent|ess> !google online
[07:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google online - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:24] <daskreech2> never mind coty
[07:24] <Re|ent|ess> dammit
[07:24] <Re|ent|ess> now its broken
[07:24] <philfo1> good
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> good
[07:24] <coty> daskreech2: so should there be an icon
[07:24] <daskreech2> coty: no clue
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> i was the only on givving goo information
[07:25] <daskreech2> coty: press Alt+F2
[07:25] <daskreech2> type aget
[07:25] <daskreech2> tell me if you see an icon
[07:25] <philfo1> ok, what do I do with this info in the memory utility?
[07:25] <daskreech2> or a terminal icon inthe top left corner
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:25] <philfo1> no, you really weren't
[07:25] <coty> daskreech2: nothing happened
[07:25] <Jucato> Re|ent|ess: stop it *now*
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:25] <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:26] <Re|ent|ess> i was the only on givving goo information
[07:26] <daskreech2> !ops
[07:26] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[07:26] <philfo1> sigh, thank you
[07:26] <nixternal> grrr
[07:26] <daskreech2> oooooooooh
[07:26] <daskreech2> Jucato got an o :-)
[07:26] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:26] <Jucato> I should really fix my aliases though :/
[07:27] <nixternal> I use the auto_blah script for irssi
[07:27] <daskreech2> yeah I probably could have told you that from before when he was talling people to get RPMs and use alien for apache
[07:27] <nixternal> heh
[07:27] <coty> maybe aget runs automaticaly when downloading
[07:27] <LeeJunFan> daskreech2: but he was the only one giving goo information :p
[07:27] <Jucato> daskreech2: so why didn't you? :)
[07:27] <daskreech2> goo is right
[07:28] <daskreech2> Jucato: well I'm an optimist
[07:28] <Jucato> coty: that depends. what happens when you try to run it from Alt+F2?
[07:28] <coty> nothing
[07:28] <Jucato> hm. too bad I couldn't test. aget doesn't exist on feisty...
[07:28] <coty> what does this guy mean? <Re|ent|ess> ubuntu sux KNOPPIX 1337 Hax0r Bu|
[07:28] <pollyo> !libdvdcss
[07:28] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:28] <daskreech2> even when someone says they want to install something but doesn't want to learn how to do it and still keeps asking for help I give them the benefit of the doubt
[07:29] <pollyo> !multimedia
[07:29] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[07:29] <daskreech2> coty: he was politely asking to leave and go to the litle boys room
[07:29] <Jucato> coty: "Ubuntu sucks, KNOPPIX leet (elite) Hackers Bull"
[07:29] <coty> im crying i think he said he hates ubuntu
[07:29] <Jucato> coty: also known as "please kick me in the butt out of this room"
[07:29] <coty> is this true
[07:29] <daskreech2> coty: it is true
[07:29] <coty> nooooo
[07:29] <coty> how could hee
[07:29] <daskreech2> coty: :-)
[07:30] <daskreech2> there can be only one
[07:30] <daskreech2>  that was him
[07:30] <Jucato> anyway, nothing to see here. move along :D
[07:30] <coty> how can anyone say that
[07:30] <philfo1> ok, anyone want to help me work my problem wtill?
[07:30] <Jucato> G. while repeition statement
[07:30] <coty> if you dont like it it does not mean you put it in others faces
[07:30] <Jucato> oops. wrong app
[07:30] <Jucato> sorry
[07:30] <daskreech2> coty: good point :)
[07:30] <philfo1> still, whoops, I can't spell
[07:30] <daskreech2> coty: you have aget installed
[07:30] <coty> plus it is free
[07:30] <coty> yes
[07:31] <daskreech2> !info aget feisty
[07:31] <ubotu> Package aget does not exist in feisty
[07:31] <Jucato> philfo1: you say that a single process is using up half of your RAM?
[07:31] <daskreech2> woah
[07:31] <philfo1> no
[07:31] <Jucato> daskreech2: told that already
[07:31] <Jucato> s/told/said
[07:31] <daskreech2> coty: alt+F2
[07:31] <LeeJunFan> well, he's probably trying to get on tor now so he can come back and tell us all how l33t he is again :)
[07:31] <daskreech2> Jucato: thought you were joking
[07:31] <daskreech2> man://aget
[07:31] <coty> i press alt+f2
[07:31] <philfo1> I'm just having a very hard time getting an app to run
[07:31] <Jucato> daskreech2: single / only
[07:32] <daskreech2> Jucato: eh?
[07:32] <Jucato> philfo1: ok.. so nothing really to do with RAM at all?
[07:32] <coty> daskreech2: nothing happens
[07:32] <philfo1> and I NEED it to so I can finish a job by tomorrow evening
[07:32] <philfo1> I don't know.
[07:32] <coty> maybe it is not an app
[07:32] <Jucato> daskreech2: man:/foo not man://foo
[07:32] <philfo1> I break computers & keep IT people employed
[07:32] <daskreech2> ah
[07:32] <daskreech2> right
[07:32] <daskreech2> sorry
[07:32] <daskreech2> philfo1: hoorah!
[07:32] <ricky> does anyone know if i can install beryl with the gforce fx5200?
[07:32] <daskreech2> coty: serious?
[07:33] <coty> daskreech2: i guess
[07:33] <coty> daskreech2: i have no clue
[07:33] <philfo1> I killed 5 in one night back when I was stationed up in WA state
[07:33] <daskreech2> coty: does alt+f3 pop up an app window?
[07:33] <Jucato> !beryl | ricky
[07:33] <ubotu> ricky: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:33] <philfo1> not on purpose, of course
[07:33] <coty> daskreech2: a window pops up
[07:33] <Jucato> daskreech2: Alt+F2
[07:33] <philfo1> just the way the cookie crumbles
[07:33] <coty> daskreech2: with alt+f2
[07:33] <daskreech2> coty: right
[07:33] <daskreech2> in that window type man:/aget
[07:33] <Jucato> philfo1: ok, what app were you having problems running btw?
[07:34] <philfo1> gimpshop 2.2
[07:34] <philfo1> but it's not just that app
[07:34] <philfo1> it's anything
[07:34] <Jucato> hm....
[07:34] <philfo1> machine is just too slow
[07:34] <Jucato> it's really slow? that's weird...
[07:34] <philfo1> taking 18 seconds avg to open konsole
[07:34] <coty> daskreech2: ok a page came up
[07:34] <daskreech2> that's the instructions for aget
[07:34] <Jucato> philfo1: ok totally weird
[07:35] <philfo1> yeah, especially for my processor + memory
[07:35] <philfo1> we thought we had it worked out to a corrupt driver for my ATI card
[07:35] <Jucato> philfo1: but my personal advice, if Kubuntu doesn't work for you, you could try other distros out there. don't give up on Linux just yet. Linux isn't just Kubuntu :)
[07:35] <philfo1> so I reconfigured the card
[07:36] <philfo1> no, I really love LINUX
[07:36] <philfo1> really.
[07:36] <coty> daskreech2: there not much of options
[07:36] <philfo1> but I have to get this job finished by tomorrow afternoon.
[07:36] <flaccid> w0a you can do firefox2 on dapper!
[07:36] <daskreech2> coty: maybe. never used aget
[07:36] <daskreech2> flaccid: yeah just not officially
[07:36] <Jucato> flaccid: not through the repos I belive
[07:36] <coty> daskskreech:
[07:36] <coty> SYNOPSIS
[07:37] <coty> aget [options]  file ..
[07:37] <coty> daskreech: what does that mean
[07:37] <daskreech2> coty: right I forget you don't know how to read man files
[07:37] <Jucato> looks like it's a command line app then
[07:37] <daskreech2> anything in [ ]  is optional
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: has anyone told you to run 'dmesg' yet?
[07:37] <coty> daskreech2: meaning?
[07:37] <philfo1> nope.
[07:37] <flaccid> i think its funny how i complained and was told that more than libstdc needed upgrading but hey!
[07:38] <daskreech2> meaning to run the application you have to type aget file
[07:38] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: try that in konsole, the kernel may be giving you some errors/clues, especially if it's hardware errors.
[07:38] <daskreech2> there are [options] 
[07:38] <daskreech2> which of course are optional :)
[07:38] <Jucato> coty: it's definitely only a command line app
[07:38] <Jucato> coty: http://www.enderunix.org/aget/
[07:38] <coty> so what do i do
[07:38] <Jucato> you use it in the command line/Konsole
[07:38] <coty> like?
[07:39] <Jucato> coty: that web page has the instructions
[07:39] <Jucato> "How to use" section
[07:39] <coty>  ok
[07:39] <daskreech2> coty: open konsole
[07:40] <Jucato> hm...actually it's not that clear... but basically what you do is "aget path/to/file/to/download"
[07:40] <daskreech2> what about the URL?
[07:40] <daskreech2> oh wait
[07:40] <daskreech2>  that is the URL :-)
[07:40] <philfo1> you want me to paste that up?
[07:40] <daskreech2> Ohhhh
[07:40] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: yeah, pastebin
[07:40] <daskreech2> I have an unsolvable problem
[07:40] <daskreech2> anyone want to help?
[07:40] <coty> daskreech2: ok i open konsole
[07:41] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: probably only need the last 20 or so lines if there's a real problem.
[07:41] <daskreech2> coty: you are downloading something from the net?
[07:41] <coty> no
[07:41] <daskreech2> oh :-|
[07:41] <daskreech2> sooo why do we need aget?
[07:41] <nixternal> could not find octec/application-stream <- wth is that all about?
[07:41] <philfo1> whoops, I copied the whole thing
[07:41] <nixternal> octet too
[07:41] <hansen> hi. where can I find an intro on .dep packages and how to build packages for ubuntu?
[07:42] <coty> daskreech2: for the future
[07:42] <daskreech2> coty: ah ok
[07:42] <flaccid> ah firefox2 from getfirefox.com is definately faster than ubuntu version
[07:42] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: that's okay - whats the link?
[07:42] <philfo1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12883/
[07:42] <hansen> for now my goal is just to get the newerst ufraw packaged for edgy :)
[07:42] <philfo1> just the lag from right-click to "copy" is too long.
[07:42] <Jucato> nixternal: looks familiar... but I forgot how they resolved that issue in #kde... tried running kbuildsycoca ?
[07:42] <philfo1> amazing
[07:43] <hansen> I found this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268687 and installed prevu
[07:43] <daskreech2> well jus guessing you would go to the directory that you wantto download into and type aget http://something.com/downloads/file.get
[07:43] <Jucato> !packaging | hansen
[07:43] <hansen> right now prevu-init seems to be creating a parallel universe in /var/cache/prevu...
[07:43] <daskreech2> i have no access to termninals 1-6
[07:43] <Admiral_Chicago> daskreech2: what did you do recently?
[07:43] <David_> Hi
[07:43] <Admiral_Chicago> hello
[07:43] <David_> How can I install ipw3945 network card?
[07:43] <daskreech2> well reasonable access
[07:44] <daskreech2> Admiral_Chicago: no clue :)
[07:44] <philfo1> LeeJunFan: you get that url?
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: yeah, nothing looks suspicious.
[07:44] <Admiral_Chicago> daskreech2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not work?
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: is your / on /dev/hda something or other?
[07:44] <philfo1> good.
[07:44] <daskreech2> when I press alt+ctrl+X i get a screen cut in half
[07:44] <daskreech2> on the left half is black
[07:45] <daskreech2> the right half is cut in 4
[07:45] <philfo1> no, my original "test" install was, but now i'm on a SATA drive, /dev/sda1 I believe.
[07:45] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: okay, try this 'sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda1' to test your HD speed.
[07:45] <David_> How can I install ipw3945 network card?
[07:46] <daskreech2> the top is the terminal x the next one down is desktop 1 in x the next down is desktop 3 the next down is desktop 4
[07:46] <daskreech2> no idea how that happened
[07:46] <philfo1> LeeJunFan: 172 MB in  3.03 seconds =  56.78 MB/sec
[07:46] <coty> what do i do now that im in terminal
[07:46] <daskreech2> coty: you are testing aget?
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: well, that's not it either. HD is dang fast.
[07:47] <coty> daskreech2: trying
[07:47] <daskreech2> Admiral_Chicago: any clue?
[07:47] <philfo1> how about my Graphics card?
[07:47] <philfo1> that was the issue we were working earlier tonight
[07:47] <daskreech2> coty: you have something to download?
[07:47] <pollyo> Wow what a difference now that I have nvida driver setup correctly.  Google earth actually works ok.
[07:47] <philfo1> hours ago
[07:47] <Admiral_Chicago> nope, unless you changed something recently which is the only thing I could imagine
[07:47] <coty> daskreech2: no but i can find somthing
[07:47] <daskreech2> Admiral_Chicago: damn :-( guess I'll reboot
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: That shouldn't cause problems launching apps, I mean it could cause problems drawing them, but you should see something happening not long after you click something.
[07:48] <pollyo> Before I could watch it draw the globe frame by frame.
[07:48] <philfo1> right, right
[07:48] <coty> daskreech2: guess what
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: can you 'ping localhost' ?
[07:48] <philfo1> what do you mean?
[07:49] <philfo1> in terminal?
[07:49] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: yeah, run that in a terminal.
[07:49] <pollyo> What has been in development longer Gnome or KDE?
[07:49] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: hit ctrl-c to stop it after it pings a couple times.
[07:49] <philfo1> I'm only 5 days into linux, don't know the lingo
[07:49] <Jucato_> ok that sucked greatly
[07:49] <Jucato_> pollyo: what do you mean by "in development longer"?
[07:50] <Jucato_> nixternal: btw, did you get your problem resolved? (I just had my 6th hard freeze)
[07:50] <pollyo> philifo1: Does your printer work with Linux?
[07:50] <philfo1> what do I do with that?
[07:50] <coty> daskreech2: im getting a new/used computer this weekend!!
[07:50] <seven11> any news about the final feisty relese
[07:50] <daskreech2> coty: damn that's nearly exactly waht I was guessing
[07:50] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: did it say 64 bites from... ?
[07:50] <coty> daskreech2: lol
[07:50] <pollyo> Jucato_: Who was out first?  What system was available first?
[07:50] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: or did it say host unreachable or unknown, etc...
[07:50] <coty> daskreech2: and guess what im going to do with it
[07:50] <Jucato> pollyo: historically? KDE
[07:50] <philfo1> LeeJunfan: yes.64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.019 ms
[07:50] <daskreech2> Jucato: what?
[07:51] <daskreech2> Jucato: what other measure is there?
[07:51] <pollyo> Jucato: So KDE was first on the scene?
[07:51] <daskreech2> coty: ummm heat pizzas?
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: okay, now this one 'ping -c3 `hostname`'
[07:51] <Jucato> daskreech2: dunno. someone might come up w/ something :)
[07:51] <daskreech2> pollyo: technically cde was :-)
[07:51] <Jucato> pollyo: yes
[07:51] <coty> daskreech2: put kububtu on it XD
[07:51] <daskreech2> whoooot1
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: that'll ping using your hostname 3 times (-c 3).
[07:51] <pollyo> daskreech2: cde?
[07:51] <Jucato> daskreech2: you're confusing the poor guy
[07:51] <daskreech2> sorry
[07:51] <daskreech2> :-)
[07:51] <pollyo> lol
[07:52] <Jucato> daskreech2: which came first, KDE or GNOME? "technically, CDE was"
[07:52] <Jucato> what an answer :P
[07:52] <daskreech2> historically?
[07:52] <pollyo> Jucato: I've been confused since 13 March.  I believe that is when I installed Kubuntu on this system. LOL
[07:52] <daskreech2> that's the answer that twists my buns
[07:52] <coty> daskreech2: the new/used computer im getting has way more ram and a better proccessor
[07:52] <nonuda_> i got this message "conversation with su failed", when i try to open adept manager in password dialog box
[07:52] <daskreech2> coty: what video card?
[07:52] <pollyo> Jucato: Things are getting better though.
[07:52] <coty> daskreech2: dont know yet
[07:52] <daskreech2> :-)
[07:52] <Jucato> daskreech2: you could say that GNOME was first to have a "free" license... but that's offtopic now :)
[07:53] <philfo1> LeeJunfan: nothing happening.  just displays >
[07:53] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: hit ctrl-c , you're missing the last `
[07:53] <philfo1> this is what I ran:  'ping -c3 'hostname'
[07:53] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: should read: ping -c 3 `hostname`
[07:54] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: backticks, not single quotes.
[07:54] <coty> Do you want to know my second thing that i love the most about kubuntu
[07:54] <daskreech2> katapult?
[07:54] <coty> no
[07:54] <daskreech2> then I don't care
[07:54] <coty> it only takes me 5 mins to boot into it
[07:54] <LeeJunFan> people like relentless?
[07:55] <coty> windows took me 30 mins to boot into
[07:55] <daskreech2> coty: hey neat :-)
[07:55] <coty> yes
[07:55] <coty> i know
[07:55] <coty> and im so much happier with that
[07:55] <daskreech2> coty: you may want to turn off sessions then :-)
[07:55] <coty> why
[07:55] <pollyo> coty: Do you have a ton of spyware on that windows system?
[07:55] <daskreech2> cause my computer takes oodles of time now :-)
[07:55] <coty> yea i did
[07:55] <daskreech2> coty: kde remembers what you were doing when you logged out and loads it back up when you log in
[07:55] <daskreech2> it's cool
[07:55] <philfo1> LeejunFan: still just a >
[07:55] <daskreech2> but takes time
[07:56] <coty> nope loads fast
[07:56] <coty> even when it loads that stuff
[07:56] <coty> but
[07:56] <philfo1> this is what I ran " ping -c 3 `hostname` "
[07:56] <coty> if i run to many programs at once my screen goes crazy
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: ping -c 3 `hostname`
[07:56] <philfo1> that s what I did
[07:56] <coty> i get a screen full of colors
[07:57] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: be careful with the ` it's not ', and there's only 2 - around `hostname`
[07:57] <coty> than they go away
[07:57] <coty> and a messagge pops up
[07:57] <philfo1> I know.
[07:57] <coty> saying i need to check my dispaly settings
[07:57] <philfo1> I put the quotations around it for the sake of demo
[07:57] <coty> is there a way to fix that
[07:57] <pollyo> I noticed a few anti-virus applications in adept.  Do they scan for windows virus signatures or does Linux also have issues with virus software?
[07:57] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: copy and paste mine
[07:57] <coty> someone said i need more swap
[07:57] <daskreech2> coty: sounds like it
[07:58] <daskreech2> how much ram do you hve?
[07:58] <coty> how do i do that
[07:58] <coty> 128 mb
[07:58] <philfo1> 14 seconds to open konsole
[07:58] <daskreech2> just sitting at the top of the hillock eh?
[07:58] <coty> yea
[07:58] <philfo1> 8 seconds from right click to the time when window with "paste" in it appears
[07:58] <pollyo> !virus
[07:58] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[07:59] <daskreech2> philfo1: you need some tools
[07:59] <philfo1> I need my 26oz framing hammer is what I need
[07:59] <daskreech2> philfo1: or a big stamp to send the computer to me :)
[08:00] <philfo1> and a 16lb maul
[08:00] <philfo1> yeah, I just finished my upgrade of this old machine
[08:00] <pollyo> Anyone know why linux developers haven't made use of the lexmark driver development kit?
[08:00] <philfo1> I'll keep it around until I get something a little nicer
[08:01] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: any luck with that ping yet?
[08:01] <daskreech2> pollyo: hmm?
[08:01] <philfo1> LeejunFan: yup
[08:01] <philfo1> what do you want to know?
[08:02] <philfo1> 0% packet loss
[08:02] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: reply from ?
[08:02] <LeeJunFan> what IP?
[08:02] <LeeJunFan> 127.0.1.1?
[08:02] <philfo1> 3 trans, 3 rec
[08:02] <philfo1> yes
[08:02] <coty> daskreech2: so how do i do more swap
[08:02] <daskreech2> !partition
[08:02] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:02] <daskreech2> repartition
[08:03] <daskreech2> good night everyone!!
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: okay, check /etc/hosts and make sure your hostname isn't set to an internet address other than 127.0.x.x
[08:03] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: sudo nano /etc/hosts
[08:04] <philfo1> LeejunFan: what do you need to know?
[08:05] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: your hostname only appears on a line that starts with 127.0.X.X ? right?
[08:05] <LeeJunFan> not on any other lines.
[08:05] <philfo1> leejunFan: localhost = 127.0.0.1 and philfo1-desktop = 127.0.1.1
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: okay, well no deal there. man I'm pretty much clean out of ideas.
[08:06] <philfo1> dang.
[08:06] <philfo1> should I work the graphics card driver idea then?
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: btw - the reason I had you check that bug #94048
[08:06] <philfo1> wait, it shouldn't be affecting me anyways
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> crap no bug bot here :)
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop/+bug/94048
[08:07] <nonuda_> guys..right now i'm downloading ubuntu desktop, after i installed, do i have to reconfigure something again like drivers or i just sit relax and enjoy it ? ;)
[08:09] <daskreech2> both?
[08:09] <David> How can i install my network card? is a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: you might cat ~/.xsession-errors and see if there's any x errors listed.
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> David: it should work out of the box
[08:11] <philfo1> LeeJunFan:
[08:11] <philfo1> whoops, lots of them
[08:11] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: there's bound to be some, most are non-fatal things that really won't affect you probably.
[08:12] <intelikey> ignoring wacom of course philfo1
[08:12] <Admiral_Chicago> night all
[08:12] <Jucato> g'night Admiral_Chicago!
[08:12] <philfo1> wacom?
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> David: how are you trying to connect
[08:13] <mervteck> can anyone tell me the propper commands to install VLC?
[08:14] <intelikey> apt-get install vlc
[08:14] <philfo1> LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12889/
[08:14] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:15] <mervteck> did that it didnt work =\
[08:15] <mervteck> weird it worked this time
[08:15] <mervteck> and its the exact same command i put in
[08:15] <Jucato> :D
[08:15] <intelikey> how do you know it didn't work ?
[08:15] <mervteck> it errored earlier
[08:15] <mervteck> saying unknown package or somthin
[08:15] <Jucato> anyone here has Dia installed?
[08:16] <Jucato> mervteck: maybe the first time you didn't have the universe repository enabled
[08:16] <mervteck> no i did, i have everything enabled =P
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: nothing stands out there either, almost all of those invalid input dev are the wacom tablet driver things, which are normal.
[08:16] <mervteck> anyone have cedega and know how to fix bf2 problems? or steam problems?
[08:16] <mervteck> the cedega channel is useless
[08:16] <intelikey> mervteck that was kinda my point.     like "what was the error message"  but it's  a moot point now anyway
[08:16] <nonuda_> anyone here know a program like sonic foundry acid in windows?
[08:16] <philfo1> ok.
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: what if you run a program from a konsole instead of clicking the icon?
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: for instance type konsole in a konsole.
[08:17] <intelikey> dpkg - warning: while removing libnss3, directory `/usr/lib/firefox' not empty so not removed.
[08:17] <intelikey> tty23 [root#~]  rm -R /usr/lib/firefox
[08:17] <philfo1> even running konsole takes a long time.
[08:17] <intelikey> now it's empty.
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: if you start it from within konsole it takes a long time? same as clicking an icon?
[08:18] <philfo1> I'll try though
[08:19] <philfo1> how do i run an app in konsole?
[08:19] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: just type it's name
[08:20] <philfo1> right,  I spelled it wrong
[08:20] <intelikey> tab-completion
[08:20] <intelikey> use the tab key luke.
[08:20] <philfo1> after I was having a hard time with gimp, I was trying to open wine but the app wouldn't open at all
[08:23] <philfo1> running from konsole is a bit faster, but not much
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: try starting xterm
[08:24] <philfo1> xterm?
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: I'm trying to rule out kde issues rather than X. xterm is not a kde application, and if it starts fast then kde may well be your issue.
[08:24] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: yeah.
[08:25] <LeeJunFan> !info xterm
[08:25] <ubotu> xterm: X terminal emulator. In component main, is optional. Version 216-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 401 kB, installed size 992 kB
[08:25] <LeeJunFan> oh, it's optional. I thought xterm was standard install.
[08:26] <philfo1> so what do I do with xterm?
[08:27] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: did it open? and how fast?
[08:27] <philfo1> from terminal, most things open faster.
[08:27] <philfo1> hold on
[08:27] <intelikey> they told me yestergo that xterm was standard install stuff
[08:28] <philfo1> took 7 seconds to open xterm from run command option
[08:28] <K`zan> I just installed feisty and am wondering if I have to install everything I have in my edgy installation or if there is some way to bring feisty up to all those packages other than manually?  TIA.
[08:28] <LeeJunFan> yeah, that's still way too slow - should be 1-2 seconds tops.
[08:28] <philfo1> right.
[08:29] <Jucato> yeah 2 seconds here
[08:30] <intelikey> hmmm takes 14 seconds for me to "startx"
[08:30] <philfo1> i'm wondering if a setting in my BIOS
[08:32] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: could be but doesn't really make sense. When you move windows around on the screen do they lag really bad or is it quite smooth?
[08:32] <philfo1> either way, I'm not getting any work done with the computer like this.
[08:32] <intelikey> 6 seconds for x-terminal-emulator    xterm is not installed.
[08:32] <philfo1> horrible choppy lag
[08:32] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: really? well, that could be BIOS, if it can't move data across the bus it's going to be dang slow.
[08:33] <philfo1> early yesterday it was screaming fast though
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: also could be gfx driver, but I'd still lean away from that causing slow opening like that. Even if the gfx drivers are messed it should at least start opening a window pretty quickly.
[08:34] <philfo1> I can check bios settings but I don't think anything would be out of whack there.  I've changed nothing.
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: well, have you changed bios settings since screaming yesterday?
[08:34] <philfo1> nope
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> heh, okay, rule that out then.
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> what was making you think gfx drivers?
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> you installed something yesterday?
[08:36] <philfo1> well, I wanted to Cal my monitor, and I have to have my gfx card installed properly.  I followed the instructions on the irc bot's ATI page for x86 arch & then it slowed down a ton.
[08:37] <philfo1> so tonight I was going to see if I could come back & do it again with another version that could be more right and instead wound up having to reconfig the card
[08:37] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: okay, perhaps you should undo the ATI stuff. Are you on feisty?
[08:37] <philfo1> for just generic settings so I could get on with my work.
[08:37] <philfo1> edgy
[08:38] <philfo1> there's no ATI settings now
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: did you remove xserver-xorg-fglrx?
[08:38] <philfo1> remove?
[08:38] <philfo1> I don't know.
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: sudo apt-get remove xerver-xorg-fglrx
[08:38] <philfo1> I ran like 2000 commands in some short period of time
[08:39] <ffffu> help..i installed fiesty on my raid1, now at grub, i can't load the kernel.. it says File not found
[08:39] <ffffu> but when i boot into recovery, it goes into busy box
[08:39] <ffffu> what shd i do
[08:40] <philfo1> LeeJunFan:  it returned E: Couldn't find package xerver-xorg-fglrx
[08:40] <philfo1> Imust have removed it
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> yeah, must be.
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: try this - glxinfo | grep "client glx vend"
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> and see if it says SGI or ATI
[08:41] <philfo1> ATI
[08:42] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: hrm, something fglrx is still on your system then.
[08:42] <ffffu> LeeJunFan: the raid problem still there
[08:42] <ffffu> !raid
[08:42] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[08:42] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[08:42] <philfo1> Xfree86-DRI" missing on display
[08:43] <ffffu> help..
[08:43] <philfo1> ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                          7.1.0-8.28.8+2.6.17.7-11.2           Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: yeah, your problem seems to be with initrd, w/o a working linux system to work on and w/o knowing how intitramfs works it's probably a bit much to tackle. :(
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: it's installed still
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: I gave you the wrong package name - sorry.
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:45] <ffffu> hmm initrd
[08:45] <ffffu> how can i modify it
[08:45] <philfo1> i have a hankering to stick some electronics in a big degausser...
[08:45] <ffffu> do u mean the mbr there?
[08:45] <philfo1> ok, it's gone
[08:45] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: no, initrd is a virtual root fs that is use during bootup.
[08:46] <intelikey> ffffu initramfs images are not really modifyable.  you simply build a replacement.
[08:46] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: mbr loads kernel, kernel loads initrd, initrd sets up the system and mounts the root fs then hands control over to init
[08:46] <intelikey> ffffu main problem is it needs to be built from within the working system.
[08:46] <ffffu> so which part does it load the raid module so that grub can find my kernel in my raid harddisk?
[08:47] <philfo1> LeeJunFan: where do we go now?
[08:47] <ffffu> i could boot in live cd, go into terminal and mount my harddisk i guess
[08:47] <philfo1> Sing it Axel!
[08:47] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: yeah, you can modify it by unarchiving it with cpio but that's way beyond what I'm going to get into on IRC especially at this hr.
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: that's where initrd is failing - it can't mount your rootmnt so it craps you out to busybox.
[08:48] <ffffu> ok... ok now i can see the grub menu..but when i choose my kernel it says file not found.. which part does it load the module so grub can find my kernel?
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: that could be a number of reasons with raid, perhaps it's missing the md module or one of it's daughters.
[08:49] <ffffu> to me i don't think it goes into initrd because it can't even find the kernel
[08:49] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: grub says it can't find your kernel? did you put /boot on raid?
[08:49] <philfo1> recovery disk
[08:50] <intelikey> LeeJunFan wait.  "<ffffu> ok... ok now i can see the grub menu..but when i choose my kernel it says file not found.. "  <<< that looks like a menu.lst error.
[08:50] <LeeJunFan> philfo1: I dunno, short of making sure you don't have fglrx in your xorg.conf, then reboot the system.
[08:50] <philfo1> wow.
[08:50] <intelikey> am i missing something ?
[08:50] <ffffu> yeah
[08:50] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: he's got raid, if the kernel is on raid grub can't reach it - unless grub can mount raid arrays, and I'm just unaware of it.
[08:51] <ffffu> its definately a menu.lst error.. i didn't put /boot raid
[08:51] <ffffu> what's the correct command i should put behind ?
[08:51] <philfo1> see y'all soon
[08:51] <intelikey> LeeJunFan but grub can't load the menu.list unless it mounts the boot prtition
[08:51] <ubuntu_> How good is 7.04 connecting wireless?
[08:52] <intelikey> and if it can see the menu.lst and can't find the kernel   then it's not initramfs.img.
[08:52] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: true, good line of thought.
[08:52] <intelikey> it's menu.lst
[08:52] <Ryiel> Does anyone know how to copy files to a guest os in virtualbox?
[08:52] <ffffu> what should be in my menu.lst ? root            (hd0,0) ?
[08:53] <LeeJunFan> !grub
[08:53] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:54] <LeeJunFan> ffffu: you need to identify what kernel you do have on /boot for grub to load. Then make sure grub is aware of that kernel image, and it's initrd, etc...
[08:55] <intelikey> ffffu the root entry tells grub where to look for the kernel and initramfs.img    the  root= entry on the kernel line tells the kernel where the system is.  which in turn the initramfs mounts and makes avalable.    (just some basics of how it works)
[08:55] <LeeJunFan> I really need to get to bed, good luck to ya.
[08:56] <intelikey> i should have said  (root) -vs- root=/*
[08:57] <drewzf> Sorry for the hopping
[08:57] <intelikey> do you follow ?      root    (blah)    and  root=/blah   don't have to be the same partition nor the same disk.   mine infact aren't.
[08:59] <cypher1> i installed kubuntu on my ubuntu machine.. in KDE the fonts are very large in menus, thunderbird, FF etc
[08:59] <cypher1> am i missing something
[09:00] <drewzf> I need to register a single IP address as 2 name servers, how can I do this?
[09:00] <drewzf> It's only temporary and I have nothing running but a web server.
[09:02] <freeza> does anyone know why when i do a ./configure i get an error msg: Can't find X libraries
[09:03] <cypher1> drewzf: do you mean you want 2 machines with same ip address ?
[09:03] <cypher1> freeza: i think you need X dev files
[09:03] <cypher1> !x-system-dev
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x-system-dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <bill__k> can someone point me to whatever i need to configure to get a remote connection to basically the terminal
[09:03] <bill__k> vnc isn't an option (too slow)
[09:03] <drewzf> cypher1: No, I want to bind a domain to a machine with a single public IP address.
[09:03] <intelikey> freeza normally that would be because they are not installed
[09:03] <freeza> ok
[09:04] <freeza> is the package called x-system-dev?
[09:04] <cypher1> freeza: not sure
[09:04] <pollyo> Does kubuntu support my microsoft IR remote control in anyway?
[09:05] <intelikey> xorg-dev - the X.Org development libraries
[09:05] <cypher1> freeza: check in the configure script, which file or directory it is expecting.. then search on packages.ubuntu.com to find the package
[09:06] <Jucato> freeza: xorg-dev
[09:06] <philfo1> ok, I'm back.  that reboot took a long time.
[09:06] <Jucato> oh intelikey said it
[09:06] <Black_Cat> hello. when i try to configure dialup connection thru kppp it shows: "/etc/resolv.conf is missing or can't be read." what do i do?
[09:06] <kraut> moin
[09:06] <intelikey> that's ok just ignore me.
[09:06] <intelikey> :)
[09:07] <freeza> ok cool thx
[09:07] <cypher1> Jucato: i installed kubuntu in my ubuntu and now the fonts in all menus of thunderbird, FF, xchat etc etc has become large.. have i missed anything ?
[09:07] <philfo1> well, the computer is still incredibly slow.
[09:08] <Jucato> cypher1: thunderbird, firefox, and xchat are GTK apps. so they would have a different setting from the rest of KDE. try checking System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Style and Fonts
[09:08] <philfo1> slow, let's just say.
[09:08] <philfo1> i'm at the point right now where I am going to be forced to go find a Windoze alternative because I have to get this job done.
[09:09] <cypher1> Jucato: i do not seem to have Apperance option anywhere in the menu
[09:09] <pollyo> philfo1: What do you need to get done?
[09:09] <Jucato> cypher1: not in the menu. in K Menu -> System Settings
[09:09] <Jucato> cypher1: you are running on KDE right now, right?
[09:09] <cypher1> Jucato: ah got it
[09:09] <cypher1> Jucato: sorry very new to KDE
[09:10] <philfo1> I need to take a 168MB TIFF image and restore it.  it's a scan of a very old photo.  my lab has outsourced it to me personally because of an emergency.
[09:10] <philfo1> before I loaded linux, I would have been done with this in 2 hours.
[09:10] <smile> good mornin everybody
[09:11] <crazy_penguin> Good morning!
[09:11] <smile> how can I use Kbabel to translate a word ?
[09:11] <anti_pop> someone else login problems in ICQ ?
[09:11] <philfo1> I've barely started it and linux has done nothing but get in the way.  just too slow.  something about the OS and my machine right now.  I don't know
[09:12] <philfo1> looks like another install might be coming tomorrow.
[09:12] <smile> someone can tell me how to use Kbabel to translate a word ?
[09:12] <pollyo> philfo1: Why not just install your old windows on a portion of the drive?  Make a dual boot system until you get up to speed on linux?  Sounds like you might need windows for your work until you can see if linux has the applications available that you will need for your work.
[09:13] <philfo1> but it might be a big build.  Suse perhapse
[09:13] <philfo1> I don't have that amount of time
[09:13] <pollyo> philfo1: My system is currently dual boot and I find myself booting windows very rare since 13 March (when I installed linux)
[09:14] <cypher1> Jucato: thanks! i switched to "clearlooks" and it is better now
[09:14] <philfo1> yesterday, afternoon the system was working very well & now it's slow like cold bear crap on a frozen pond
[09:15] <philfo1> I intended on having mine a dual-boot machine & it was for a few days.
[09:15] <pollyo> philfo1: Did you trash your windows partition?
[09:16] <philfo1> but the C: drive for windows was RAID configured and my linux install was on a very slow (turned out to be probably corrupted) drive
[09:16] <smile> philfo1: havin a multiboot has nothing to do with the speed of Linux ... chech your SWAP space
[09:16] <pollyo> philfo1: I did that on one of my machines  only after successfully resizing the ntfs partition.  I later selected it for installation of linux. Uggg.. What a dumb move on my part.
[09:16] <philfo1> my whole system is backed up on a 250gb external
[09:16] <philfo1> 3GB swap space
[09:17] <philfo1> I really love Linux.  but now that I NEED it to work, I'm having the worst problems I can.
[09:17] <bruja8> what is the purpose of having RAID?
[09:17] <philfo1> well, not quite the worst, but I'm still not working on any imagery.
[09:17] <smile> philfo1: 3 G :-o ... this is too much .. u just need the double of the memory card space
[09:18] <smile> philfo1: if u have 265ko memory .. make 512 swap spaces .. etc.
[09:18] <smile> philfo1: Linux can be fast on the slowest Pc in the world
[09:19] <philfo1> kubuntu did that on an auto-install
[09:19] <philfo1> but let me open gparted.
[09:20] <ggulmatt> hi
[09:20] <philfo1> smile: my system is not slow at all though
[09:21] <smile> u run Karamba ?
[09:21] <philfo1> and how do I find out how big my ko memory is?
[09:21] <intelikey> smile hmmm i had kbabel installed.  but when i opened it it said i had to fill out some info so i don't have it insalled anymore   sorry can't help ya there.
[09:21] <philfo1> karamba?
[09:22] <smile> intelikey: I know .. i didnt understand what these info r ? :-(
[09:22] <smile> philfo1: what is ur configuration ?
[09:22] <philfo1> you mean hardware?
[09:23] <smile> philfo1: ya
[09:24] <fuzzy_logic> hi
[09:24] <smile> fuzzy_logic: hi
[09:25] <pollyo> philfo1: did you check to see if anything is sucking resources?
[09:25] <philfo1> smile: P4 3.4GHz 2BM L3 cpu,  3+GB RAM,  linux currently installed on an 80GB SATA drive, formerly RAID configured.
[09:25] <philfo1> my comp is just sucking.
[09:25] <pollyo> philfo1: I had a little program running that had a guy walk around on my screen and it seemed to crash and slow my computer to a snails pace until I went in and killed the application.
[09:25] <fuzzy_logic> just a quick question.. i added a new panel in kde, but when i try to configure it i get the configuration screen of the taskbar
[09:26] <smile> philfo1: wooow .. u hav the fastest pc in the world .. it's perfect ..
[09:26] <philfo1> I don't know what my background apps are.
[09:26] <philfo1> no, not fastest pc in the world
[09:26] <smile> philfo1: check if u have a process that takes much ressorces
[09:26] <philfo1> should I change the size of my swap?
[09:26] <pollyo> philfo1: I think you hit Ctrl-ESC for a list of apps running.
[09:27] <smile> philfo1: no
[09:27] <fuzzy_logic> anyone help plz?
[09:27] <ffffu> now i get it
[09:27] <ffffu> i'm triyng to boot from dual harddisk /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 by using raid
[09:28] <philfo1> ok, ctrl-esc didn't do that, it opened rename
[09:28] <fuzzy_logic>  i added a new panel in kde, but when i try to configure it i get the configuration screen of the taskbar
[09:28] <pollyo> philfo1: Are you in kde or gnome?
[09:28] <nonuda> guys, i'm instaling ubuntu-desktop using adept manager, and i see i error in download, it is openoffice.org-style-default, will it be a problem? and can i fix it?
[09:28] <smile> philfo1: ok .. type ksysguard
[09:29] <intelikey> fuzzy_logic there is a bug.   i think you have to restart kde.
[09:29] <intelikey> not sure.
[09:29] <philfo1> there were two ksysguards going at once.
[09:29] <philfo1> one had two d's at the end.
[09:30] <fuzzy_logic> ah ok.. thanks ill try that intelikely
[09:30] <cypher1> rhythmbox is playing mp3's but amarok is not playing mp3s.. do we need to install separate libraries for getting mp3 support in amarok ?
[09:30] <philfo1> ok, ksysguard is open.
[09:30] <pollyo> Anyone know if I can make use of my windows media center remote control with linux in anyway?
[09:31] <philfo1> smile: you saw what I have in this machine.  it takes over 20 seconds to just open a konsole.
[09:31] <philfo1> not cool at all
[09:31] <smile> philfo1: now check the biggest Vmsize and Vmrss
[09:31] <intelikey> pollyo i don't know.  but.  linux does have ir support.
[09:31] <pollyo> inelikey: Ok. Thank you.
[09:31] <smile> philfo1: and tell me what's the process
[09:32] <intelikey> pollyo look in   kcontrol > parifreals
[09:32] <intelikey> iirc.
[09:33] <philfo1> konversation is the largest.
[09:33] <philfo1> then knotify
[09:34] <philfo1> 101 processes running though
[09:34] <fuzzy_logic> another question.. does anyone know what i should do before i can do a bluetooth file transfer?
[09:35] <smile> philfo1: thats normal .. nothing's wrong :-(
[09:35] <philfo1> kwin is big, ksysguard, klauncher.
[09:35] <malta> ciao
[09:35] <smile> philfo1: did u installed Compiz or Beryl ?
[09:35] <philfo1> nope
[09:35] <malta> c' qualche italiano?????????????
[09:35] <Jucato> !it | malta
[09:35] <ubotu> malta: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:36] <malta> ok
[09:36] <malta> grazie
[09:36] <charlie5> hi ... does anyone use the kubu repositories in .au ? ... i cannot seem to connect at the moment
[09:36] <pollyo> intelikey: Looking
[09:37] <fuzzy_logic> charlie5: not in .au, but you can try to connect to other server maybe?
[09:37] <pollyo> intelikey: I do not see that option.
[09:37] <pollyo> intelikey: Perhaps I need to install a package.
[09:38] <charlie5> fuzzy_logic: thanks, i guess i should try that if it doesn't work soon \
[09:38] <intelikey> pollyo i may not remember where it is...  but try in the networking section....  seems like it may be with the bluetooth stuff
[09:38] <philfo1> if I do one more install, i'm hoping to link these two 80GB drives back up into RAID
[09:38] <smile> philfo1: i dunno really whats wrong .. that must work well .. !?
[09:39] <philfo1> no, it's just one of those things I'd like to do.
[09:39] <fuzzy_logic> have2reboot.. cya
[09:39] <philfo1> I have no idea what's wrong either.
[09:39] <intelikey> fuzzy_logic what for ?
[09:39] <philfo1> I'm beyond frustration
[09:40] <intelikey> libtranslate-bin - command line translator <<< anyone know anything about that ?
[09:40] <fuzzy_logic> back
[09:40] <philfo1> this photo restoration was due next wednesday, but the customers mother passed away last night (photos of her mother I'm restoring) and now she needs them saturday.
[09:40] <intelikey> that was a reboot ?
[09:40] <fuzzy_logic> well.. actually a restart of x
[09:40] <fuzzy_logic> lol
[09:40] <fuzzy_logic> that was suggested by someone as a solution to my problem :)
[09:40] <philfo1> I'm going to have to use another comp
[09:41] <fuzzy_logic> op'd? what's that?
[09:41] <philfo1> I'm so disappointed because I've been here on this forum for the last 5 days getting help with one thing or another.
[09:41] <coty> Is there an app for recording my screen
[09:41] <smile> philfo1: no .. ur comp is perfect .. something wrong in linux configuration
[09:41] <philfo1> I want to USE my computer, not just fix it
[09:41] <intelikey> daz da guys dat can ban you from da channel.
[09:42] <Tm_T> intelikey: what's that?
[09:42] <intelikey> Tm_T just playing.
[09:42] <smile> philfo1: no one can help u if u dont know what's wrong exactly
[09:42] <coty> intelikey: do you know of a good app for recording the screen
[09:42] <fuzzy_logic> yes! that reboot worked.. thanks for the one who suggested that
[09:42] <philfo1> right.
[09:42] <intelikey> screenshot or active recording ?
[09:42] <Tm_T> intelikey: hmh, can I still kick you, just for playing?
[09:42] <coty> intelikey: active recording
[09:42] <philfo1> well, i'm a linux n00b.  5 days
[09:43] <philfo1> that's it.
[09:43] <coty> same
[09:43] <intelikey> Tm_T sure if you fell like it.
[09:43] <smile> philfo1: the speed of linux depends on many reason .. memory .. disk kind .. process .. Xserver .. ....
[09:43] <fuzzy_logic> lol.. i'm 2 weeks!! mwaha :P
[09:43] <Tm_T> intelikey: hmh, then no
[09:43] <fuzzy_logic> anyone use xchat?
[09:43] <philfo1> well, should I do another install?
[09:43] <intelikey> coty there is but it would tame me a month of sundays to find it.
[09:43] <coty> fuzzy_logic: i have it but dont use it
[09:43] <philfo1> I've got another 80GB drive ready to go.
[09:44] <coty> intelikey: could you give me the name
[09:44] <philfo1> but I'm getting really tired of reconfiguring stuff.
[09:44] <intelikey> fuzzy_logic and you're welcome.
[09:44] <smile> philfo1: maybe
[09:44] <intelikey> coty that's what would take so long.
[09:44] <coty> intelikey: oh
[09:44] <philfo1> that will be my 3rd full install in less than a week
[09:44] <fuzzy_logic> do you know how to always show a userlist in a sidebar or so?
[09:44] <intelikey> !recording
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about recording - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <fuzzy_logic> shit! schooltime.. cya peeps.. thanks for help
[09:44] <coty> so does anyone else know on the spot of a screen recorder
[09:44] <smile> philfo1: i will give u a good partition .. wait
[09:44] <pollyo> Ahhh.... lirc
[09:45] <coty> lirc?
[09:45] <intelikey> !away > fuzzy_logic
[09:45] <coty> !away>coty
[09:45] <intelikey> coty iirc is irc short hand for 'if i recall correctly'
[09:45] <pollyo> coty: Yes for using remote controls on linux.
[09:46] <smile> philfo1: make a 70 Mb /boot
[09:46] <coty> oh
[09:46] <intelikey> ah lirc
[09:46] <intelikey> not iirc
[09:46] <intelikey> heh
[09:46] <coty> i was hoping for a screen recorder
[09:46] <intelikey> yeah that's it pollyo
[09:46] <smile> philfo1: 700Mb Swap
[09:46] <pollyo> coty: I have this Mircrosoft Media Center remote and I want to see if I can use it for something on linux.
[09:46] <coty> oh
[09:46] <smile> philfo1: and the rest root (/)
[09:47] <coty> i would like a screen recorder so i can give some tutorials
[09:47] <intelikey> i got behind but now i'm....   still behind
[09:47] <smile> pollyo: did u truied wine ?
[09:47] <pollyo> smile: I love wine with my linux.
[09:47] <pollyo> smile: Though I do not make use of it much.
[09:47] <coty> wine does not work for me
[09:48] <coty> so does anyone know of a screen recorder
[09:48] <pollyo> smile: I want to look into using my windows dll's on wine.
[09:48] <pollyo> smile: I was reading that it might make more things work under wine.
[09:48] <smile> pollyo: and maybe ur media center
[09:48] <pollyo> smile: I have to read up on it more.
[09:48] <philfo1> pinot noir with smoked gouda and a hard baugette
[09:49] <coty> so im guessing there is no screen recorders
[09:49] <pollyo> smile: I'll have to look into that a bit more.  Thanks for the suggestion.
[09:49] <_4str1> coty: i have recordMyDesktop
[09:49] <smile> pollyo: welcome
[09:49] <coty> is that a app i can get in adept
[09:50] <_4str1> yes
[09:50] <coty> ok
[09:50] <coty> thanks
[09:50] <_4str1> but not working very well on my computer
[09:51] <coty> _4str1: why not?
[09:51] <_4str1> too greedy i think
[09:51] <_4str1> but i havent configure it for the moment
[09:51] <_4str1> just test with the default configuration
[09:52] <_4str1> that's, maybe, the reason why ..
[09:52] <coty> im firing up adept
[09:52] <AZNSLD> !apache
[09:52] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[09:52] <pollyo> !lirc
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <_4str1> coty: sorry for my english but i'm french ;)
[09:53] <coty> _4str1: no worrys im itlian XD
[09:54] <_4strO> ^^
[09:54] <coty> but i live in america
[09:55] <coty> byzanz is a desktop recorder also
[09:55] <coty> i just found it
[09:55] <_4strO> hh will try
[09:55] <bruja8> buy can you record the beryl effects with that?
[09:55] <coty> so is istanbul
[09:55] <_4strO> i want to record my wonderfull beryl desktop
[09:55] <bruja8> cuz i couldn't
[09:56] <bruja8> i get a blue screen
[09:56] <_4strO> whith ?
[09:56] <coty> i still have not gotten beryl
[09:56] <coty> I'd love to
[09:56] <coty> but...
[09:56] <philfo1> sorry to bring it up here, but has anyone tried SuSe?
[09:56] <bruja8> i used istanbul and recordmydesktop and x11....
[09:57] <coty> not many people up for being able to help
[09:57] <bruja8> i tried suse
[09:57] <bruja8> why?
[09:57] <coty> i cant find recordmydesktop
[09:57] <philfo1> just wondering.
[09:57] <philfo1> looking for potential alternatives
 so is istanbul <<< that's the one that it would take me so long to remember.
[09:57] <bruja8> i find it extremely slow
[09:57] <bruja8> suse that is
[09:57] <coty> lol
[09:57] <coty> intelikey
[09:57] <philfo1> really, maybe I won't then.
[09:58] <intelikey> you might try it.
[09:58] <coty> all i had to do was put in record
[09:58] <coty> in the adept
[09:58] <philfo1> because I'm dealing with extremely slow right now
[09:58] <coty> i can see why it would be hard to remeber
[09:58] <smile> philfo1: i tried Suse
[09:58] <bruja8> the installation of about 4G takes up too 2hours
[09:58] <bruja8> sometimes more
[09:59] <smile> philfo1: perfect .. i liked it
[09:59] <_4strO> coty: have you the multiverse repo active ?
[09:59] <bruja8> besides, i believe that ubuntu is more stable that suse, but ofcourse, it is only what i  think
[09:59] <smile> philfo1: Suse 10 (7 CDs)
[09:59] <philfo1> smile: that's a large footprint.
[09:59] <intelikey> _4strO answering for him.  yes we did that yestergo.
[09:59] <smile> philfo1: Mandriva too is perfect
[09:59] <coty> _4str0: what
[09:59] <comps> does any1 know how to run mp3 files in kubuntu
[10:00] <_4strO> intelikey: ^^
[10:00] <intelikey> !mp3 > comps
[10:00] <pollyo> BBL
[10:00] <bruja8> mandriva has a prob with firmwares, it reminds me of windows wen you  have to find drivers one by on
[10:00] <smile> philfo1: i use Linux since 2 years .. tried 6 distributions
[10:00] <philfo1> since i'm a Linux n00b, are my problems just going to follow me?
[10:01] <_4strO> !mp3 > _4strO
[10:01] <bruja8> from my experience, there is alwaysproblems philfo1
[10:01] <bruja8> whether it is windows or linux
[10:01] <philfo1> these problems are free though.
[10:01] <smile> philfo1: no :-D .. we were all noob .. by the time u will be excellent ;-)
[10:02] <philfo1> I had to pay windows & symantec for my last set of problems
[10:02] <intelikey> bruja8 Q. what do linux users do ?
[10:02] <comps> how to install wine in ncomputer with kubuntu
[10:02] <intelikey> bruja8 A. they install software.
[10:02] <smile> bruja8: no system is flawless
[10:02] <philfo1> ha ha ha ha ha ha
[10:02] <bruja8> hehehehe
[10:02] <smile> philfo1: pay ? hhhhhhhhhh   .... linux is absolutly FREE & OPEN
[10:03] <bruja8> what i like about linux tho is that you can solve your problem, in windows the error message won't tell yo what the prob is
[10:03] <philfo1> there's a few mechanical systems out there that have some amazing reliability...  speaking of no flawless systems.
[10:03] <smile> linux community is beeing bigger more & more every day
[10:04] <bruja8> i like linux for the community,
[10:04] <philfo1> yeah, I have done more in the last 5 days with my computer than in the prior two years.
[10:04] <intelikey> bruja8 hmmm i never got that far.  the "EULA" stopped me from using M$ crap.
[10:04] <coty> intelikey: how do i use instanbul
[10:04] <philfo1> well, with windows, I did do a bunch of re-installs.
[10:04] <bruja8> heehee
[10:04] <intelikey> oh shoot late again.
[10:04] <bruja8> same here philfo1
[10:05] <philfo1> so here's my deal:  my computer is SUPER SLOW right now.
[10:05] <bruja8> to be honest, most of my probs with linux are created by me, but on ly most of them
[10:05] <smile> Linux has just problems of compatibility .. but with small configuration it can work fine
[10:05] <philfo1> too slow for me to work, which I have to do though.
[10:05] <philfo1> I use it mostly for heavy duty graphics processing.
[10:06] <philfo1> no 3d, but very large photo files.
[10:06] <philfo1> 1GB TIFF is definitely not unheard of in my applications
[10:06] <smile> philfo1: try to find out the real reason ..then we will see .. if u cant .. just install another linux (try SuSE 10) and get started with LINUX WOLRD
[10:07] <bruja8> and that's under windows or linux philfo1
[10:07] <philfo1> linux.
[10:07] <philfo1> windows could not allocate enough memory to even use the file
[10:07] <bruja8> wow!!!
[10:08] <bruja8> what is the size of you swap?
[10:09] <bruja8> what is the size of you swap? philfo1
[10:09] <philfo1> last time I "shut down" windows I was doing a 6cm x 12cm color slide scan at 4800dpi, 16pass, 16bit depth
[10:09] <philfo1> 3gb
[10:09] <philfo1> nobody on here can figure out why my machine is running so slow.
[10:09] <philfo1> takes 22 seconds to open konsole
[10:09] <philfo1> it's horrible.
[10:10] <philfo1> I need to get it fixed so I can deliver my product.
[10:10] <AZNSLD> Hey is anyone good with MySQL?
[10:10] <bruja8> did you try to do an fresh install? philfo1
[10:10] <philfo1> unfortunately, had I been using my old windows system  (which is gone) I would be sleeping in bed now
[10:10] <AZNSLD> I could use some help
[10:10] <philfo1> I can, but really don't feel like it.
[10:10] <philfo1> but I can.
[10:10] <philfo1> sigh.
[10:11] <AZNSLD> linux MySQL?
[10:11] <philfo1> I've got a spare 80gb drive ready to go
[10:11] <Black_Cat> AZNSLD: wouldn't mind more details.
[10:11] <AZNSLD> umm
[10:11] <smile> AZNSLD: welcome
[10:11] <AZNSLD> Where do I enter the password for MySQL
[10:11] <AZNSLD> lol
[10:11] <AZNSLD> it is asking me for one
[10:11] <AZNSLD> but how do u enter it
[10:12] <bruja8> good luck with it philfo1, google which distro tends to be the fastest , and see if you can install that
[10:12] <philfo1> gotcha.
[10:12] <AZNSLD> root@Jeremy:/home/jeremy# mysql -u root
[10:12] <AZNSLD> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[10:12] <AZNSLD> where do I enter the password...
[10:12] <Black_Cat> what's the fastest way to change the layout switcher from default altshift to ctrlshift?
[10:13] <smile> did u see
[10:13] <smile> Leon n 1
[10:13] <smile> Thme: Prparation des leons et des contrles continus
[10:13] <smile> Formateur: Mr. ********** Abdesslem (Conseiller pdagogique)
[10:13] <smile> Date: 14/10/2006  9h  CREFOC Gafsa
[10:13] <smile> sorry .. that's nonsense
[10:14] <smile> AZNSLD: did u see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP ?
[10:14] <AZNSLD> so could anyone answer my question..
[10:14] <AZNSLD> yeah
[10:14] <AZNSLD> I am just asking how I enter my password for mysql..
[10:14] <AZNSLD> lol
[10:14] <AZNSLD> n/m
[10:14] <AZNSLD> READING IS t3k!
[10:15] <smile> AZNSLD: see "set root password " section
[10:16] <ffffu> hi anyone knows how to use raid (2 harddisk mirroring each other) to boot up?
[10:16] <ffffu> or anyone knows any link to helpful sites
[10:18] <Black_Cat> ffffu: didn't google help?
[10:18] <bruja8> smile, alors tu parles le francais!!!
[10:19] <smile> bruja8: w :-)
[10:19] <bruja8> et apparament tu es de le maghreb
[10:19] <smile> bruja8: oui , je suis Arabe
[10:19] <philfo1> ffffu: I have a link for you re: RAID
[10:19] <bruja8> tu parles l'araba alors n'estpas
[10:20] <smile> bruja8: kel kestion ???
[10:20] <bruja8> !!!!:P
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about p - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <philfo1> ffffu: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[10:20] <bruja8> parceque ana tani netkelm 3arbia
[10:21] <bruja8> ;)
[10:21] <smile> bruja8: wow .. super ... enfin un ARABE avec moi :-)
[10:21] <bruja8> hehehe
[10:21] <smile> bruja8: tu es d'o ?
[10:21] <bruja8> je suis de  l'algerie
[10:22] <bruja8> et toi?
[10:22] <smile> bruja8: enchant .. chui Tunisien
[10:22] <bruja8> enchante!
[10:22] <smile> bruja8: tu a problem dan Linux ?
[10:22] <Hirvinen> !fr
[10:22] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:23] <philfo1> smile: where did you get the figures from for the sizes of those partitions?
[10:23] <bruja8> broadcom wireless ne travail pas
[10:23] <morghanphoenix> Anyone know what an fstab line for an ipod should look like?
[10:23] <smile> philfo1: from a book .. that's the most suitable partition ... i used it with 6 partition and worked fine
[10:24] <smile> bruja8: dzol .. j pa essay le sans fil :-(
[10:24] <morghanphoenix> Don't know the file system type or options that should go into that line
[10:24] <bruja8> mais c'est parceque kernel a son driver, mais le firmware est incompatible
[10:24] <philfo1> will it work for me even if i'm picking up a 700mb film scan?
[10:25] <smile> morghanphoenix: type "man mount" and read
[10:25] <crusty> hello! my kubuntu do not let me change the wright to write in to the usb external drive...any help?
[10:25] <bruja8> je suis entrain de telecharger dapper parceque the kernel de dapper n'a pas bcm43xx
[10:25] <smile> philfo1: 700mb film scan ? what do u mean ?
[10:25] <bruja8> alors je pourai installer ndiswrapper
[10:25] <morghanphoenix> Been there, done that, tried auto and defaults, says bad file system type when I try to mount it.
[10:26] <philfo1> I am a photographer and I have been known to use TIFFs up to 500mb.  700 is now within my reach if LINUX ever operates properly
[10:27] <philfo1> I have squeezed 1GB out of my scanner before.
[10:27] <ninHer> hi all
[10:27] <smile> philfo1: ?? no idea .. sorry
[10:27] <philfo1> mostly bit-depth info.
[10:27] <bruja8> hi ninHer
[10:27] <philfo1> what would be the problem with making the swap larger?
[10:28] <smile> philfo1: when ur memory becomes full .. linux use the swap spaces
[10:28] <smile> philfo1: so it seems like a second memory ;-)
[10:28] <philfo1> I know.  but would there be any penalty to ahveing a larger swap partition?
[10:28] <smile> philfo1: 700mb will be fine
[10:28] <_4strO> philfo1: nop
[10:28] <bruja8> no not all philfo1
[10:28] <smile> philfo1: NO
[10:28] <philfo1> ok
[10:28] <_4strO> just waste space
[10:29] <philfo1> configuring that other disk now.
[10:29] <_Johny> Hello. Does anyone of you is capable of Using mplayer correctly?
[10:30] <bruja8> yes
[10:30] <smile> _Johny: what's wrong ?
[10:30] <_4strO> thought that swap should be double of RAM space, isnt it ?
[10:30] <AZNSLD> !apache
[10:30] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:30] <AZNSLD> !apache2
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apache2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, didn't expect that one from a kubuntu room, a rtfm type response and no help
[10:30] <smile> !apache
[10:30] <_Johny> Hello everybody. What can I do to define a directory which the subtitles for a movie will be loaded from, all the time? This time, I have to browse that dir everytime I open a movie.
[10:30] <tarelerulz> I have emachine eView 17f3 and I can't find the HorizSync and VertRefresh
[10:31] <_4strO> _Johny: just put your subtitle in the same dir as your movie
[10:32] <_4strO> and use tthe same name as your movie except the file extension
[10:32] <_Johny> can it be in a folder? or just a naked file?
[10:32] <_4strO> _Johny: it always in a dir :p
[10:33] <_4strO> _Johny: it always in a folder* :p
[10:33] <_Johny> _4strO: Yea -:) I meant, to put it in a separate folder or just in the movie dir?
[10:33] <_4strO> just in the movie dir
[10:34] <_Johny> _4strO: Ok. Thank you
[10:34] <chode> _4strO, in the same folder as movie.. so sub dir.. most players will automatically load the sub
[10:34] <chode> *no sub dir
[10:34] <_4strO> chode: thats waht i try to say :p
[10:34] <Black_Cat> now i can say for sure, kubuntu roxx. absolutely no serious problems, unlike mandriva for example... thanx to all kubuntu team members if any of them here :)
[10:35] <_4strO> heuuu Mark are you there ?
[10:35] <_4strO> ^^
[10:40] <smile> bruja8: comment tu a connu ke chui magrbien :-)
[10:41] <bruja8> abdessalam
[10:41] <bruja8> :P
[10:41] <smile> bruja8: comment tu a dout ke chui magrbien ?
[10:42] <bruja8> en general les maghribens utilisent les noms avec (abd)
[10:42] <smile> bruja8: non .. tu m'a di ke je suis de magreb.. comment tu a connu a ?
[10:43] <chode> u guys morrocans?
[10:43] <bruja8> et en plus tu parles le francais et ton nom
[10:43] <chode> *Moroccan
[10:43] <crusty__> hello! i have 255 hard drive shared between windows and kubuntu edgy 6.10....but kubuntu do not let me write on it!!!any help?
[10:44] <smile> crusty__: try " chmod 777 ... "
[10:44] <smile> bruja8: mon nom ??
[10:44] <crusty__> done it....no change
[10:44] <coty> hey can someone tell me why i cant use my second drive
[10:44] <_4strO> and check your samba conf file
[10:44] <Black_Cat> crusty__: filesystem? NTFS?
[10:44] <smile> chode: no morrocans .. tunisian :-)
[10:44] <crusty__> yes
[10:44] <coty> im trying t download something but i cant download it to my second drive
[10:44] <Black_Cat> ntfs is read-only afaik
[10:45] <smile> crusty__: with sudo ?
[10:45] <chode> crusty, ntfs-3g
[10:45] <bruja8> oubien abdeslem
[10:45] <crusty__> still the same
[10:45] <coty> i cant even mount my second drive
[10:45] <_4strO> coty:
[10:45] <_4strO> oups sorry
[10:45] <crusty__> iv tried all......no way to write on it
[10:45] <bruja8> je suis pas sure que ca c'est ton vrai nom
[10:46] <smile> crusty__: if u have ntfs .. dont try .. it's read-only
[10:46] <coty> can some tell me how to fix this problem
[10:46] <smile> crusty__: i think .. i had the same problem with Mandriva last year
[10:46] <crusty__> the problen is that i can format it on fat.....is to big!
[10:46] <chode> smile, ntfs-3g allows read/write
[10:46] <coty> I need this drive
[10:47] <smile> crusty__: try this under Windows ..with Partition magic
[10:47] <smile> coty: really ??
[10:47] <Black_Cat> crusty__: when saying "shared" you mean on one PC or different ones?
[10:47] <coty> yes
[10:47] <crusty__> yes ! thats the idea.......
[10:47] <coty> smile: it will not work
[10:47] <coty> coty: i want to use my slave drive
[10:47] <_4strO> crusty__: u can format it with linux
[10:47] <smile> coty: u mean we can write on a ntfs partition ?
[10:48] <coty> smile: i dont know
[10:48] <smile> coty: i think no .. i tried and it didnt work .. just read
[10:48] <chode> smile, yes i have an ntfs drive as well shared between windows and ubuntu i can write to it
[10:48] <coty> smile: no i have a second drive
[10:49] <coty> smile: it is fat
[10:49] <coty> smile: i think anyway
[10:49] <nodesert> i installed the glut-doc but i dont know where it is (i suppose it must be in /usr/share/doc
[10:49] <AZNSLD_> !apache
[10:49] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:49] <smile> chode: i tried with RedHAT .. just read .. maybe now they made a driver to NTFS
[10:50] <crusty__> there is a program for kubuntu as partition magic that i can install
[10:50] <chode> ntfs-3g was experimental untill recently.. but as from early this month or last month.. they released a stable version
[10:50] <_4strO> crusty__: qparted
[10:50] <chode> they claim it's stable and no risk writing on it
[10:50] <crusty__> ok ill try it
[10:51] <chode> crusty__, qtparted
[10:51] <_4strO> oups i forgot the T
[10:52] <chode> crusty__, also if u want files moved between ur widnows n kubuntu.. u can get files on ext3 files systems using a very small free program called explorefs.. under windows
[10:53] <chode> i dun think fat32 fits as a storage now.. since it won;t allow u to store a single file if the size exeeds 4 GB
[10:53] <crusty__> ok...can i format end partition the drive with qtparted?
[10:53] <chode> so if i want to use it as a storage stick with something that supports big file sizes
[10:53] <chode> since even a backup image of a dvd will also exeed 4 gb most of the time
[10:54] <chode> crusty__, it's explore2fs..
[10:54] <crusty__> the situation is this...iv got windows and kubuntu on the same pc and 255gb usb hard drivewindows is ok kubuntu only read
[10:54] <chode> crusty__, hang on a sec
[10:54] <chode> i'll link u
[10:56] <smile> crusty__: i think u can format with "disks-admin"
[10:56] <chode> crusty__, i'll give u a detailed how-to install ntfs-3g... it will allow u write on it.. and also if it;s removable it'll auto detect once u plug in the drive and create an icon on the desktop
[10:57] <crusty__> ok!
[10:57] <morghanphoenix> Today is a day for the history books! rtfm from kubuntu, help in a channel that usually says that
[10:57] <morghanphoenix> G'night
[10:59] <chode> crusty__, u have edgy ??
[11:00] <chode> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009      follow this guide
[11:00] <chode> use the automatic method..
[11:00] <Black_Cat> what's the fastest way to change the layout switcher from default altshift to ctrlshift?
[11:01] <crusty__> iv tried with disk and file sistem administration...but no changes...yes iv got kubuntu edgy
[11:02] <chode> crusty__, follow that link i gave u
[11:02] <crusty__> ok thanks ill try.......many thenks to all!
[11:08] <AZNSLD> !apache
[11:08] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:11] <ffffu> hi, is there a bug using grub between ata harddisk?????????????? i keep getting file not found
[11:11] <ffffu> any experts care to help?
[11:15] <posingaspopular> ffffu, i think so, but if there is, i duno
[11:15] <posingaspopular> !ata
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <ffffu> i keep getting the File not found when booting up..but all my vmlinux and init files are there and correct hd(0,0)
[11:19] <posingaspopular> :/ i know ive seen fixes and similar issues, but im blank
[11:19] <posingaspopular> sory
[11:20] <ffffu> sorry but could u give me some links or reference?
[11:20] <ffffu> or what should i search in google
[11:20] <posingaspopular> just google the general problem
[11:20] <posingaspopular> google.com/linux i should say
[11:21] <posingaspopular> or the ubuntuforums
[11:21] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with lirc?
[11:23] <ffffu> hd(0,0) means the first harddisk first partition? and hd(0,1) means first harfddisk 2nd partition?
[11:39] <J-_> is there anyway to install kubuntu with a base install via, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.. or something else rather...?
[11:40] <posingaspopular> J-_, you want kde or kubuntu
[11:40] <posingaspopular> kubuntu is ubuntu,just cames with different stuff out the box
[11:41] <J-_> well, I run ubuntu.. I just want another DM.
[11:41] <jxn_> j-_: then install kubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <posingaspopular> yup jxn_ is right
[11:42] <smile> posingaspopular: kubuntu is KDE ubuntu is Gnome
[11:45] <J-_> will, 'sudo apt-get install kde-libs' install a base install of kubuntu, and not all the kde programs kubuntu-desktop installs?
[11:45] <jxn_> erm, no.
[11:46] <jxn_> just install kubuntu-desktop. you can uninstall programms/packages you don't want later.
[11:47] <J-_> that's a HUGE amount of work, I tried it before.
[11:48] <J-_> !kubuntu-base
[11:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-base - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:48] <jxn_> then install the programs/packages you want. apt will also install the dependencies
[11:49] <J-_> Then it won't give me the DM?
[11:49] <J-_> or will it?
[11:50] <jxn_> eg. konqueror will need some kdelibs. apt checks that.
[11:51] <phyerboss> hey, is anyone else having issues running compiz?
[11:51] <phyerboss> I tried removing it but it refuses to budge
[11:52] <phyerboss> yeah, I read on the forums it was easier to deal with
[11:52] <phyerboss> but I have no clue how to even install apps that are outside of adept
[11:53] <phyerboss> ...so, yeah. Im that new to linux^^;
[11:57] <phyerboss> anyone here know how to get rid of compiz?
[11:57] <pollyo> How do you check to see if you have "universe" enabled?\
[11:58] <_4strO> pollyo: in the file /etc/apt.sources.list
[11:58] <_4strO> pollyo: in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:59] <pollyo> _4strO: Ok. Thanks.
[12:00] <jxn_> !sources.list
[12:00] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:02] <phyerboss> well, going away from the compiz issue...can anyone tell me how they were able to get flash and java working in their browsers?
[12:25] <coty> Hey i need to know how to get my web camera to work on kubuntu
[12:26] <coty> !camera
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about camera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:27] <coty> !cameradrivers
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cameradrivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:29] <anti_pop> someone got broken progress bars in firefox on kde ?
[12:29] <wisp> no
[12:29] <jakkass> broken?
[12:29] <jakkass> no
[12:29] <anti_pop> well for example my download progress bar on firefox is broken :)
[12:30] <jakkass> hmm
[12:30] <jakkass> let me download something then
[12:30] <anti_pop> same with xarchiver
[12:30] <anti_pop> i know these are not kde apps
[12:30] <coty> can someone help me with getting my camera to work
[12:31] <anti_pop> i have no idea what messed up my progress bars, it was a ubuntu install, then i installed kubuntu-desktop and removed all gnome stuff i could ;)
[12:31] <jakkass> no its grand anti
[12:31] <jakkass> anti what version of Kubuntu are you using
[12:31] <anti_pop> feisty
[12:31] <jakkass> I'm on feisty
[12:31] <jakkass> it's grand
[12:31] <jakkass> well I updated from Edgy
[12:31] <jakkass> with the repositories
[12:32] <anti_pop> i think it has to do with removal of some gnome stuff
[12:32] <anti_pop> anyway ill have a fresh installation soon
[12:34] <anti_pop> byebye
[12:39] <jxn_> kubuntu rulez
[12:39] <jxn_> just tested feisty beta
[12:40] <LIRON> that he have hebrew support keybored?
[12:43] <J-_> what's a good tut that'll show me how to customize kubuntu?
[12:43] <kugillu> Hi, could anyone help me to install beryl please?
[12:44] <Jucato> !changethemes
[12:44] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy for a guide. [Kubuntu]  For a Kubuntu guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[12:46] <J-_> is there an equivalent to gdesklets for kubuntu?
[12:46] <jxn_> J-_: kde-look.org
[12:46] <J-_> !kdesklets
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdesklets - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <J-_> hmm
[12:46] <jxn_> superkaramba
[12:46] <J-_> cool, thanks
[12:47] <jxn_> !superkaramba
[12:47] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[12:49] <kugillu> I can't login with xgl session
[12:49] <coty> how can i get my web camera to work
[12:54] <space_ninja> how should I play swf files If I can't install flash?
[12:56] <jxn_> !gnash
[12:56] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[12:56] <J-_> kubuntu is extensively faster than gnome.... seems it anyway
[12:57] <space_ninja> ok thanks
[12:58] <space_ninja> I got one more questions, What should I do If some data chunks for a bittorrent download failed?
[12:58] <space_ninja> -s
[12:58] <jxn_> delete the corrupt file and redownload it
[12:59] <space_ninja> but everything is almost corrupt. I can't unpack it. It's  a rar file with alot of movies in it (not porn) I get alot of errors when I try
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> !flash9
[01:00] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:00] <space_ninja> I got amd64
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> !flash64
[01:00] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[01:01] <kugillu> My flash plugin doesn't work properly in amd64
[01:01] <kugillu> it freeze my friefox
[01:02] <kugillu> but everything is ok with firefox32
[01:02] <NiceGuyUK> the plugin itself is 32 bit - I read somewhere about a wrapper for 32bit plugins on 64 bit systems
[01:02] <NiceGuyUK> might take a bit of Googling unless someone here knows the details
[01:04] <J-_> !PyQT
[01:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pyqt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <J-_> !pyqt
[01:04] <J-_> hmm
[01:06] <J-_> it says i don't have pyqt installed, what is it called in the repos?
[01:09] <kugillu> could anyone help me to install beryl please?
[01:09] <giantess> !nvidia
[01:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:10] <kugillu> ati driver are installed ok
[01:10] <kugillu> 3d is working
[01:10] <kugillu> beryl is installed... but I can't login in xgl session
[01:10] <jxn_> !beryl
[01:10] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:11] <kugillu> oh thanx I was following that guide, I'll try that channel
[01:11] <jxn_> :)
[01:12] <kugillu> when I start beryl no effect to windows
[01:26] <waylandbill> anyone got fglrx working with 2.6.20.13-generic ?
[01:27] <J-_> is there a differnet type of menubar type thing in SuperKaramba?
[01:28] <chijin> waylandbill: my friend had issues with it i believe, turns out he had to use 1280x1024 instead of 1280x960. would that be the case for you?
[01:28] <waylandbill> chijin: I can't even get the kernel driver to build.
[01:30] <chijin> waylandbill: there was some kind of patch for it
[01:30] <chijin> waylandbill: http://phoronix.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1033
[01:31] <waylandbill> chijin: excellent. I'll check it out. thx
[01:48] <Defaulllt> :)
[01:48] <hansen> what is the state of feisty? It is locked for anything but bugfixes by now or are packages still being upgraded?
[01:49] <Jucato> !schedule | hansen
[01:49] <ubotu> hansen: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> I believe its in a feature freeze...
[01:50] <LjL> it's locked for anything except things that will break people's boot :P
[01:50] <SALIA> :)
[01:50] <hansen> ok, so that means that packages stay whatever version they are now unless something serious is broken
[01:51] <hansen> dammit, I want ufraw 0.11 and feisty has 0.10 only :)
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> so go break it!!!!
[01:52] <hansen> with 0.09 and newer I can get pretty decent colors, but the highlights near clipping are still horrible. And afaics 0.11 has some new code for highlights
[01:52] <hansen> probably not enough of a problem to call it a showstopper for a linux dist :)
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> haha.... yeah...
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> I guess its compile from source then...
[02:14] <pollyo> Anyone have a mceusb remote setup on kubuntu?
[02:17] <pollyo> c vc   l,....................................\
[02:18] <Jonty> I've tried running audacity and aoss audacity, but it always says it's unable to play/record audio. How can I solve this?
[02:24] <ionus> !ntfs
[02:24] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:27] <blueya2> hello, have some troble with installing cinelerra, maybe sb know what the failure ist: configure: http://pastebin.ca/416724    output: http://pastebin.ca/416729
[02:29] <raffytaffy> blueya2 : lines 24 and 32 contain bad info i think
[02:29] <raffytaffy> 31 i mean
[02:29] <blueya2> but "fi" is correct
[02:30] <raffytaffy> well another reason i can think is bcse ubuntu uses /bin/bash instead of bash
[02:31] <raffytaffy> your solution is to run the script thru bash itself
[02:31] <thomas_> oi
[02:31] <raffytaffy> yourself*
[02:31] <blueya2> "bash configure" ?
[02:31] <raffytaffy> blahh i just woke up
[02:32] <raffytaffy> yes try that
[02:32] <blueya2> well great, these erros are fixed
[02:33] <raffytaffy> so it worked yes?
[02:33] <blueya2> yes :D
[02:33] <raffytaffy> ok good
[02:33] <blueya2> good to know, thanks!
[02:33] <raffytaffy> :)
[02:33] <_Johny> Do you know a good system integrity checker?
[02:34] <raffytaffy> fsck
[02:34] <service> my VNC doesn't work....i wonder why
[02:35] <pollyo> Anyone setup irkick?
[02:39] <_Johny> Do you know a good system integrity checker available in Kubuntu, or from command line?
[02:40] <ionus> !write in ntfs
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about write in ntfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <_4strO> !fsck | _Johny
[02:40] <ubotu> _Johny: fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[02:43] <_Johny> _4strO: Does "he" carres for packages as well?
[02:44] <_4strO> _Johny: i dont know, but i dont think so
[02:53] <tdn> I cannot log in to KDE using KDM. /var/log/kdm.log is here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/tmp/kdm.log. Please help me, cause I have no more ideas of how to investigate this problem :(
[02:54] <tdn> There is a lot of errors in the kdm.log, but I do not understand what they mean.
[02:55] <tdn> This happened suddenly. I have not installed anything new on the computer except maybe the occational updates.
[03:07] <fuzzy_logic> hello
[03:16] <scion> hello all
[03:16] <WaxyFresh> grrr,i cant seem to figure out where i went wrong i installed ubuntu server 5.10 then installed the kubuntu desktop.but im missing alot of the main things that should come with kubuntu including adapt,i mean i could use apt-get to install each one individually butt that would take a while and im not even sure aboute everything im missing
[03:17] <fuzzy_logic> scion: hello
[03:17] <WaxyFresh> is there some package i missed?
[03:18] <scion> WaxyFresh: why not just download the kubuntu .iso//
[03:18] <fuzzy_logic> are you sure u installed everything when installing Ubuntu, WaxyFresh?/
[03:18] <WaxyFresh> scion: my laptop just b roke and am on an old computer so no dvd/cd burner
[03:18] <scion> ahh
[03:19] <WaxyFresh> fuzzy_logic: just the ubuntu server then kubuntu-desktop then i upgraded
[03:19] <scion> WaxyFresh i'd imagine you will need to apt-get the packages you need
[03:20] <fuzzy_logic> or maybe there is a way to install the missing things from the cd.. or didn't you burn one?
[03:20] <WaxyFresh> fuzzy_logic: i have a 5.10 ubuntu cd
[03:20] <WaxyFresh> fuzzy_logic: so no
[03:21] <fuzzy_logic> WaxyFresh: then i think you will need to apt-get the missing packages
[03:26] <aaroncampbell_> I had asked about kopete vs gaim in here last night.  Seeps like most preferred kopete.  Does kopete keep logs of ims?
[03:27] <ionus> !ntfs
[03:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:28] <WaxyFresh> aptitude says i have 371 broken packages,,,,will fre 471mbs.......how can i fix this?
[03:29] <dennis_> aaroncampbell_, yes you can see the history
[03:29] <dennis_> but you have to set the function on
[03:30] <dennis_> i don't like kopete too much, i prefer gaim, but i like kde so i use kopete
[03:30] <aaroncampbell_> I didn't even see an option for it
[03:32] <dennis_> you have to activate the plugin
[03:32] <michaelpo> how do i export emails from evolution to thunderbird?
[03:32] <WaxyFresh> gaim is the best in my book,it has several encyptoin plugins
[03:33] <dennis_> so settings, configure plugin and then select history
[03:33] <aaroncampbell_> dennis...got it, I was looking in the wrong place.  However, it looks like it's already active...how can I actually see the history?
[03:34] <fuzzy_logic> michaelpo: did you try to start thunderbird, because it should ask by itself if you want to export the mails
[03:34] <dennis_> just click ok, and then you have to right click someone on your list...i know its strange
[03:34] <dennis_> then it will work
[03:34] <odin-arg> whats it mean is adept says "BREAK (install)"
[03:34] <odin-arg> rather than just install
[03:35] <fuzzy_logic> how do i disable sounds at opening and closing windows in kde?
[03:35] <_Johny> I'm looking for something to edit ID tags in mp3 files. Anyone knows?
[03:36] <_Johny> fuzzy_logic: System settings --> Sound--> Disable all sounds
[03:36] <dennis_> aaroncampbell_ although its already active, you have to press ok
[03:36] <michaelpo> fuzzy_logic: yes... but there is no option to chose evolution format mail
[03:37] <dennis_> it's a bug, kopete history plugin is enabled but nonfunctional
[03:37] <aaroncampbell_> dennis_: ok, I did that (even though it was active before I opened the plugins section), but I still don't see anything in the right click of any of my contacts.
[03:37] <reagleBRKLN> does this url crash your konq 3.5.6? http://www.virtualization.info/
[03:37] <fuzzy_logic> _Johny: thanks ill try that
[03:38] <aaroncampbell_> dennis...I had to disable, and re-enable it
[03:38] <fuzzy_logic> michaelpo: maybe this will help? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-export-your-mails-from-evolution-to-thunderbird.html
[03:38] <dennis_> aaroncampbell_ try this,enable it, it must be unchecked and the settings applied, then reactivated.
[03:38] <dennis_> yep, just red it, its a bug
[03:38] <michaelpo> fuzzy_logic: thanks...
[03:39] <fuzzy_logic> michaelpo: no probs :)
[03:39] <Iwonder|too> where does apt/adept keep the files it downloads?
[03:40] <donhack> jeor que dificil es esto del kubuntu
[03:40] <fuzzy_logic> Iwonter|too: i think in the tmp folder.. not sure dough :)
[03:40] <donhack> y tos el  ingles
[03:40] <donhack> :P
[03:40] <aaroncampbell_> dennis_: found another bug...
[03:41] <aaroncampbell_> dennis_: At least for me, I can't change users from inside the history window...I have to close it, and re-open by right clicking another user
[03:42] <ionus> !nvidia
[03:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:43] <aaroncampbell_> how can I browse a windows network, or access a windows share?
[03:43] <fuzzy_logic> http://www.samba.org/ :)
[03:44] <fuzzy_logic> aaroncampbell_: my last msg was for you :)
[03:44] <aaroncampbell_> really, I've used samba to share files from linux, but never to access them on windows
[03:44] <aaroncampbell_> or...rather never used it to let a linux box get windows files from a windows box
[03:45] <dennis_> bizarre
[03:47] <fuzzy_logic> aaroncampbell_: oh, then i'm afraid i can't help you.. sorry :(
[03:48] <prugo> hi
[03:48] <prugo> can anyone help me?
[03:48] <prugo> I've installed kubuntu successfully
[03:48] <fuzzy_logic> prugo: ask the question.. dont ask to ask :)
[03:48] <prugo> but when it get's to the screen where you have to insert your username and pass
[03:48] <prugo> it gets blocked
[03:48] <prugo> and I have to restart
[03:48] <prugo> this happens with kubuntu 6.10 and ubuntu
[03:48] <prugo> any ideas?
[03:49] <fuzzy_logic> prugo: after you reboot you can log in normally?
[03:49] <prugo> no
[03:49] <user_> hi
[03:49] <prugo> it crashes again
[03:50] <prugo> and when I reboot the computer doesn't respond, I have to unplug it and lug it again
[03:50] <prugo> plug*
[03:50] <user_> hi
[03:50] <prugo> hi m8
[03:50] <prugo> it's very weird
[03:50] <prugo> :S
[03:50] <user_> what's up?
[03:50] <fuzzy_logic> prugo: it seems to me you have more a hardware problem than a software problem :)
[03:51] <fuzzy_logic> user_: hi :)
[03:51] <prugo> tha'ts what I thought so
[03:51] <prugo> so
[03:51] <prugo> thank you anyways
[03:51] <prugo> :)
[03:51] <prugo> I'll call the shop where I bought it
[03:51] <prugo> and c what they can do
[03:51] <prugo> thx
[03:51] <valuedcustomer> on kubuntu 6.10, how do i format external firewire drive so that both kubuntu and winxp can read and write?
[03:51] <fuzzy_logic> prugo: i think it's the cooler
[03:51] <prugo> which one?
[03:51] <prugo> GPU, CPU?
[03:51] <fuzzy_logic> prugo: i would do that.. yes
[03:52] <prugo> Motherboard cooler?
[03:52] <jpwhiting> hi all, anyone know where to put feedback about https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade ?
[03:52] <WaxyFresh> what package is adapt in?
[03:52] <chijin> valuedcustomer: winxp can read ext3 and ubuntu can read ntfs, so it's your choice
[03:52] <fuzzy_logic> prugo: ehh.. well.. can be any, but if your computer freezes a lot, i guess it could be the motherboard one.. or that your motherboard itself is broken
[03:53] <fuzzy_logic> prugo: but commonly it is something with the motherboard
[03:53] <jpwhiting> I got it to work, but not with adept instructions, adding ~jriddell from adept seems broken for some reason
[03:53] <prugo> I got win XP too and it doesn't happen
[03:53] <prugo> ah ok
[03:53] <prugo> I'll check my MB
[03:53] <prugo> it's still in guaranty
[03:53] <prugo> so I might have it changed
[03:53] <valuedcustomer> @chijin, kubuntu won't let me delete files from ntfs and write new ones
[03:53] <prugo> warranty*
[03:53] <chijin> valuedcustomer: you need ntfs-3g for that
[03:53] <prugo> thx fellas
[03:54] <prugo> cya around
[03:54] <prugo> :)
[03:54] <prugo> bye
[03:54] <fuzzy_logic> lol
[03:54] <chijin> valuedcustomer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[03:54] <valuedcustomer> chijin: thanks, i'll try it
[03:56] <ionus> !wine
[03:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:57] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[03:58] <fuzzy_logic> BluesKaj: hi
[04:01] <piovisqui> hey
[04:01] <piovisqui> anyone here
[04:02] <fuzzy_logic> ye me :)
[04:02] <fuzzy_logic> hi
[04:02] <piovisqui> i need help with kubuntu
[04:02] <fuzzy_logic> i'm a beginner, but maybe i can help :)
[04:02] <piovisqui> fuzzy_logic: like you see i am connected to the internet but i can not browse any site
[04:02] <piovisqui> apt-get works and irc client too, but konqueror does not..
[04:03] <ionus> !wine
[04:03] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:03] <WaxyFresh> aptitude says: E:\home\r00t\.aptitude/conifig unable to open for writing permission denied how do i fix this?
[04:03] <shinigami> hi what's the program for kubuntu to watch tv from my tv card?
[04:03] <fuzzy_logic> piovisqui: then i think your dns is not configured good
[04:04] <fuzzy_logic> shinigami: what tv card do you have?
[04:04] <piovisqui> i am at university
[04:04] <shinigami> 02:02.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)
[04:04] <piovisqui> using wifi
[04:04] <sb9> is it possible to install apache as user ?
[04:04] <shinigami> !tv
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <shinigami> !saa7134
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about saa7134 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <sb9> instead of root
[04:05] <fuzzy_logic> sb9: it's not possible to install anything without admin rights :)
[04:05] <sb9> ?
[04:05] <Chousuke> sb9: it is.
[04:05] <Chousuke> not through apt though :/
[04:05] <sb9> i wnat to do it from the sources
[04:05] <Chousuke> you need to compile and install in your home directory.
[04:05] <piovisqui> fuzzy_logic: i finished download firefox and it works... konqueror is bugged
[04:05] <shinigami> what apps can watch tv with my tv card?
[04:06] <Chousuke> and you can't run it on port 80 as a user.
[04:06] <fuzzy_logic> shinigami: you can try to type this in your terminal: sudo apt-get install tvtime
[04:06] <sb9> so i have take some port above  2048 or so ?
[04:06] <Chousuke> you need to be root to bind to ports lower than 1025
[04:06] <fuzzy_logic> it will install a program called tvtime wich looks to me like the best solution
[04:07] <sb9> ok, i got it
[04:07] <shinigami> tvtime
[04:07] <shinigami> ok
[04:07] <kothz> Anyone else have an issue with 7.04 where adept fails on updating packages right out of the box?  Network is fine, name resolution works great...
[04:07] <fuzzy_logic> shinigami: never tried it, got the information right from the internet
[04:07] <fuzzy_logic> \
[04:09] <kothz> hrm, come to think of it, I wasn't asked for my password when i started the tool
[04:12] <Erky> Pardon me for intruding.  Just learning the ropes.
[04:13] <WaxyFresh> ho9w do i change permissions on E:\home\r00t\.aptitude to reead write ex?
[04:13] <coty> what is the command for editing sources.list
[04:13] <Ace2016> WaxyFresh: there is a convo about permissions going on in #ubuntu now
[04:15] <fuzzy_logic> coty: sudo kedit sources.list :)
[04:15] <coty> thanks
[04:15] <Jucato> kedit isn't installed by default
[04:15] <coty> fuzzy_logic: it did not work
[04:16] <Jucato> coty: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:16] <coty> ok
[04:16] <Jucato> coty, fuzzy_logic: 1) kedit isn't installed by default. 2) use kdesu when launching GUI apps w/ root privileges
[04:16] <coty> thanks you helped me get one step  closer to having beryl
[04:17] <Jucato> :O
[04:17] <Jucato> oh no what have I done!!!!!
[04:17] <Ultima> Hey
[04:17] <coty> jucato: what
[04:17] <fuzzy_logic> Jucato: oops.. i only used kde on fedora core.. didn't know that it wasn't installed by default in kubuntu
[04:17] <Ultima> I Need to resize my NTFS partition
[04:17] <Jucato> coty: indirectly helped someone install beryl!! :O
[04:18] <coty> ok
[04:18] <fuzzy_logic> Jucato: lol!
[04:18] <coty> can he help me
[04:18] <Ultima> But when trying I have denied access, I also have one bad sector when resizing on QTParted
[04:18] <Jucato> coty: I was referring to you....
[04:18] <fuzzy_logic> Jucato: what's the problem with beryl?
[04:18] <coty> oh
[04:19] <Jucato> fuzzy_logic: nothing. it was a futile attempt at humor
[04:19] <Ultima> If I just select the hard-drive will it keep WIndows?
[04:19] <odin-arg> coty: u have gfx accel with your intel card now?
[04:19] <coty> no
[04:19] <eagles0513875> kdfj
[04:19] <Ultima> Can someone please help
[04:20] <Ultima> If I select Guided - use entire disk, will I Keep windows?
[04:20] <coty> Ultima: what do you need help wiht
[04:20] <coty> ultima: no
[04:20] <Ultima> coty: I need someway to resize my partition
[04:20] <coty> Ultima: partion it
[04:20] <Ultima> coty: Magic Partition can though its payed software
[04:20] <Ultima> SInce WIndows is hogging all the space on new computers :(
[04:21] <BluesKaj> Partition magic is dangerous and unstable ...I don't recommend it
[04:21] <coty> ultima: when your in the install menu it will have a step for partionine
[04:21] <Ultima> How?
[04:21] <Ultima> I'm on the new beta
[04:21] <eagles0513875> qtparted
[04:21] <Ultima> I did
[04:21] <coty> ultima: go through the steps
[04:21] <Ultima> It says my NTFS has a bad sector
[04:21] <eagles0513875> run check disk in windows before doing that
[04:21] <Ultima> I did
[04:22] <smile> hi
[04:22] <fuzzy_logic> smile: hi
[04:22] <coty> ultima: i wiped out windows
[04:22] <Ultima> I really don't want WIndows though my brother needs it for the sims "sigh"
[04:22] <coty> ultima: its not in my oppion worth keeping
[04:22] <tux> just break the Sims CD :D
[04:22] <coty> ultima: you can have sims
[04:22] <Ultima> 2?
[04:22] <Ultima> WIll it run?
[04:23] <coty> ultima: use the win emulater for linux
[04:23] <tux> if you try crossover
[04:23] <Ultima> Does the win emulator emulate WoW?
[04:23] <tux> you can install windows applications on linux with crossover
[04:23] <Jucato> !wine
[04:23] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:23] <odin-arg> Ultima, Sims 1 or 2?
[04:23] <tux> ubotu, how about crossover
[04:23] <coty> Ultima: if you dont want win then get rid of it
[04:23] <Ultima> SIms 2
[04:23] <odin-arg> damn
[04:23] <odin-arg> WINE can run the first one
[04:23] <odin-arg> :p
[04:24] <fuzzy_logic> tux: ubotu is a bot, you can't talk to it :)
[04:24] <Ultima> Can Cedega run 2?
[04:24] <coty> Ultima; tell your bro to get a psp and get the game for it
[04:24] <tux> d'oh
[04:24] <Ultima> Except.....Teh PSP version isn't that good
[04:24] <tux> or why dont you use crossover
[04:24] <Ultima> And We have all the expansions.
[04:24] <Ultima> How does it work?
[04:24] <tux> i'l check if it's compatible
[04:25] <Ultima> The Sims 2 could run on my laptop probably
[04:25] <tux> i know crossover supports installing WoW on linux
[04:25] <Ultima> I Know xD
[04:25] <Ultima> I Have WoW
[04:25] <Ultima> Does it support TBC?
[04:25] <tux> TBC?
[04:25] <eagles0513875> tbc
[04:25] <Ultima> The Burning Crusade(Expansion)
[04:26] <tux> dont know
[04:26] <smile> how can i play sound file in konqueror ,just by mouse (without click) ?
[04:26] <tux> but you can also install unsupported software
[04:26] <Ultima> It still runs WoW.exe
[04:26] <tux> so i think it will work
[04:26] <ionus> !rar
[04:26] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[04:26] <Ultima> Just adds some more  stuff in
[04:26] <eagles0513875> lol what bout it ultima
[04:26] <WaxyFresh> aptitude says: E:\home\r00t\.aptitude/conifig unable to open  for writing permission denied and i cant figure out how to chmod it,sudo chmod 700 /home/r00t/.aptitude didint work
[04:26] <WaxyFresh> why do i get a line thru that?
[04:26] <tux> i dont trust wine for running games, to slow
[04:27] <Ultima> What about Cedega?
[04:27] <Ultima> my friend has a copy
[04:27] <eagles0513875> cedega u have a yearly fee
[04:27] <Ultima> Damnz.
[04:27] <eagles0513875> ive been able to get it to work on WoW
[04:27] <eagles0513875> *wine
[04:27] <eagles0513875> download wine ultima
[04:27] <eagles0513875> its free
[04:27] <tux> noooooo crossover supports installing Internet Explorer in linux, who in the world wants that
[04:27] <fuzzy_logic> ehh.. me?
[04:28] <eagles0513875> lol i do lol
[04:28] <Ultima> Firefox or Opera plz
[04:28] <tdn> tux, web developers?
[04:28] <odin-arg> ff
[04:28] <eagles0513875> fuzzy download ie4linux
[04:28] <Ultima> You can get Firefox to support Active X
[04:28] <tdn> I cannot log in to KDE using KDM. /var/log/kdm.log is here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/tmp/kdm.log. I have tried logging in to a "failsafe" session. That didn't help either.  Please help me, I have no more ideas of how to investigate this problem :(
[04:28] <tux> hm that's anoying but true tdn
[04:28] <Ultima> Though it opens a secruity hole
[04:28] <tux> you have to check if it works on IE
[04:28] <Znuff> Hello. What's the name of the wizard that runs first time when you start kubuntu or kde
[04:28] <Znuff> that was a question: '?' :)
[04:29] <tux> znuff, you can find it by removing and reinstalling KDE...
[04:29] <fuzzy_logic> kpersonaliser :)
[04:29] <tux> just kiddin
[04:29] <Znuff> I just installed it :-)
[04:29] <fuzzy_logic> lol @ tux
[04:29] <Znuff> great
[04:29] <fuzzy_logic> eagles i alrady have ie running :)
[04:30] <Znuff> uhm, what if that's missing? :-/
[04:30] <Znuff> Was kpersonaliser included only in 6.04?!
[04:30] <eagles0513875> ok fuzzy u haveing problems with active x
[04:31] <eagles0513875> if thats the case u have to set ur security ur security to low
[04:31] <Znuff> at least there's kxdocker -_-
[04:31] <fuzzy_logic> Znuff: kpersonaliser is included in every kubuntu release.. you can probably install it again by typing sudo apt-get install kpersonaliser in your terminal
[04:31] <Ultima> Just wondering, Whats a good program for windows for resizing paritions that free and easy like Magic Partition
[04:32] <Znuff> fuzzy_logic, funny thing: it came up empty :)
[04:32] <fuzzy_logic> Ultima: don't use windows programs for that.. just burn a gparted livecd for that
[04:32] <Znuff> oh, it's kpersonaliZer :)
[04:32] <WaxyFresh> aptitude says: E:\home\r00t\.aptitude/conifig unable to open  for writing permission denied and i cant figure out how to chmod it,"sudo chmod 700 /home/r00t/.aptitude" didint work
[04:32] <fuzzy_logic> oh.. oops.. my english is not always perfect Znuff, lol
[04:33] <Znuff> actually personaliser is the right way to spell it, I think :P
[04:33] <Ultima> OK
[04:33] <shinigami>  to chmod it,"sudo chmod 700 /home/r00t/.aptitude" didint
[04:33] <shinigami> why does my tvtime got no sound?
[04:33] <Ultima> Gonna get GParted?
[04:33] <Jucato> Znuff, fuzzy_logic: actually, kpersonalizer is not installed by default
[04:33] <Ultima> Is it safe?
[04:33] <WaxyFresh> shinigami: ?
[04:34] <Ultima> GOnna get GParted, bye.
[04:34] <eagles0513875> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:34] <eagles0513875> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[04:34] <eagles0513875> how do i unlock it
[04:34] <fuzzy_logic> oh :) haha.. didn't know that.. i just installed all the packages, so it popped up at the first time for me
[04:34] <FringeJacket> eagles0513875 just wait, mine just did that
[04:34] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:34] <eagles0513875> ok just fyi feisty beta is what im on
[04:34] <fuzzy_logic> shinigami: just a sec. i will investigate
[04:34] <shinigami> i'm using 02:02.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) what's the best apps to watch tv? i'm using tvtime
[04:34] <FringeJacket> serioiusly, if you wait it goes away
[04:35] <Jucato> !adeptfix | eagles0513875
[04:35] <ubotu> eagles0513875: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:35] <fuzzy_logic> shinigami what sound card do you have? do you hear other sounds?
[04:35] <shinigami> yeah i can listen to amarok
[04:36] <fuzzy_logic> shinigami what sound card do you have?
[04:36] <eagles0513875> already tried that jucato
[04:36] <eagles0513875> no effect
[04:36] <shinigami> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[04:36] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, how was fiesty beta in terms of hardware recognition ? All your stuff working ?
[04:37] <eagles0513875> everything except my internal wifi
[04:37] <FringeJacket> eagles0513875 it did that to me all night then this morning, about three minutes ago it let me
[04:37] <eagles0513875> what u mean fringe
[04:37] <BluesKaj> are you on a LAN ?
[04:37] <eagles0513875> no wifi
[04:37] <eagles0513875> that is what makes me really mad
[04:38] <eagles0513875> that is the only reason i upgraded to the beta
[04:38] <FringeJacket> eagles0513875 it gave me that exact message all night no matter what I did
[04:38] <FringeJacket> what wifi card do you have?
[04:38] <ionus> plese help me to write in ntfs partitions
[04:38] <eagles0513875> broadcom 43xx series
[04:38] <fuzzy_logic> shinigami: i'm afraid i can't help you with this one.. sorry
[04:38] <eagles0513875> ionus download ntfs3g and let me know when its installed
[04:38] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, was the wifi working in the previous version of Kubuntu ?
[04:38] <eagles0513875> no only pcmcia
[04:39] <eagles0513875> i would have to do some serious programming to get it to work
[04:39] <eagles0513875> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:39] <eagles0513875> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[04:39] <FringeJacket> eagles0513875 broadcom doesn't like linux, one sec, I'll see if I can look up how I fixed it
[04:39] <eagles0513875> any other ideas
[04:39] <ionus> eagles0513875  i do that but a cant run ntfs config tools from K menu
[04:39] <ionus> :(
[04:39] <eagles0513875> u have to go into the fstab and edit one thing
[04:39] <eagles0513875> i know but i used windows drivers and ndiswrapper
[04:39] <ionus> how
[04:40] <ionus> ?
[04:40] <tigre> hola
[04:40] <fuzzy_logic> hi tigre
[04:40] <ionus> hey plese help me
[04:41] <eagles0513875> ionus add -3g to the ntfs entry save it unmount it then remount it
[04:41] <fuzzy_logic> ionus: don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[04:41] <shinigami> ok thanks
[04:41] <ionus> how
[04:41] <eagles0513875> u using kubuntu or ubuntu
[04:41] <eagles0513875> wait
[04:41] <eagles0513875> nm answered my own ?
[04:41] <hansen> ok, stupid question, but I really can't find them: Which package has the opengl man pages?
[04:41] <ionus> am 2nd day on ubuntu
[04:41] <ionus> kubuntu
[04:42] <eagles0513875> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:42] <eagles0513875> use that command
[04:42] <Jucato> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:42] <eagles0513875> or that
[04:42] <lzzc> how install new openoffice 2.2 on kubuntu edgy?
[04:42] <ionus> ok
[04:42] <eagles0513875> is it open
[04:42] <ionus> yes
[04:42] <eagles0513875> ok u see where it says ntfs
[04:42] <ionus> where
[04:43] <WaxyFresh> how do i uninstall aptitude?
[04:43] <eagles0513875> wait
[04:43] <eagles0513875> close that
[04:43] <ionus> no it is nvidia
[04:43] <fuzzy_logic> lzzc: just with the openoffice updater?
[04:43] <chode> X11?? for ntfs ????????
[04:43] <eagles0513875> my mistake hold on
[04:43] <ionus> ok
[04:43] <tigre> 00+............0
[04:43] <lzzc> WaxyFresh: ==> "apt-get remove --purge aptitude"
[04:43] <Znuff> now, how do you remove a panel?!
[04:43] <eagles0513875> sudo kate /etc/fstab
[04:44] <eagles0513875> use that ionus
[04:44] <ionus> yes
[04:44] <ionus> file sistem
[04:44] <lzzc> fuzzy_logic: didn't know there was an oo updater !  where, how?
[04:44] <eagles0513875> u see ntfs
[04:44] <FringeJacket> eagles0513875 I've almost got that file tracked down for configuring broadcom wireless cards
[04:44] <eagles0513875> ty fringe
[04:44] <eagles0513875> even if its a wiki ill take it
[04:44] <ionus> ?
[04:44] <eagles0513875> do u see ntfs in the list of partitions
[04:44] <WaxyFresh> lzzc:
[04:44] <eagles0513875> in the fstab
[04:44] <WaxyFresh> lzzc: thanks
[04:44] <ionus> wait
[04:44] <fuzzy_logic> i think i saw once one.. i don't use oo.. but wait ill look
[04:44] <eagles0513875> ok
[04:44] <FringeJacket> no, this is not wiki, its ubuntu forums
[04:45] <ionus> yes i se
[04:45] <eagles0513875> ok now add this
[04:45] <eagles0513875> -3g
[04:45] <ionus> where
[04:45] <ionus> ?
[04:45] <eagles0513875> after ntfs
[04:45] <ionus> ok
[04:45] <ionus> wait
[04:45] <eagles0513875> ok
[04:45] <leopartux> hi
[04:45] <ionus> ? /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ntfs-3g  ?
[04:45] <fuzzy_logic> hi leopartux
[04:46] <ionus> yes?
[04:46] <leopartux> how can i change the default logout screen
[04:46] <ionus> ? /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ntfs-3g  ?
[04:46] <eagles0513875> dont change anything else
[04:46] <fuzzy_logic> lzzc: i'm sorry.. i can't find it
[04:46] <ionus> ok
[04:46] <ionus> and save
[04:46] <ionus> ?
[04:46] <eagles0513875> just add the -3g to the ntfs ionius
[04:46] <eagles0513875> yes
[04:46] <fuzzy_logic> maybe you can try typing this in your terminal: apt-get update
[04:46] <eagles0513875> then unmount that partition and then remount it
[04:46] <fuzzy_logic> than it updates all your software, including oo
[04:46] <ionus> how to mount ?
[04:46] <Znuff> Anyone have an idea how do you remove a panel in KDE?
[04:46] <Znuff> I want to remove the bottom pannel
[04:46] <ionus> tell me comand
[04:46] <ionus> ?
[04:47] <eagles0513875> sudo mount /media/(name of partition)
[04:47] <eagles0513875> and to unmount
[04:47] <eagles0513875> sudo umount /media/(name of partition)
[04:47] <lzzc> fuzzy_logic: nope. it's not in the deb repositories yet.  it's a fresh, steaming pile of shit just pinch off over at openoffice.org
[04:47] <ionus> wait
[04:47] <leopartux> Znuff: just right click and remove panel
[04:47] <Znuff> it's greyed out
[04:48] <Znuff> it's the basic panel :-/
[04:48] <eagles0513875> ok let me know if it worked ionus
[04:48] <ionus> give example of partition name
[04:48] <ionus> ?
[04:48] <FringeJacket> eagles0513875 I've narowed it down to three, and figuring it out from there (the wireless I'm on is being slow)
[04:48] <leopartux> you can kill it :)
[04:48] <eagles0513875> its ok dude take ur time
[04:48] <eagles0513875> i need to restart my x anyway fringe ill be back asap
[04:49] <FringeJacket> kk
[04:49] <eagles0513875> hda1 for ex ionus
[04:49] <eagles0513875> brb ionus
[04:49] <ionus> ok
[04:49] <fuzzy_logic> lzzc: i think its wise to wait until kubuntu starts to support it.. don't you think? it's good to install as much software as possible with the apt-get, because than when the system is updating it updates really every peace of software u have installed and you don't have to do it yourself
[04:49] <shinigami> hey which is my sound card? /dev/mixer or mixer1 ? or /dev/audio or audio1 ?
[04:49] <FringeJacket> I love that our secondary network is faster right now
[04:50] <fuzzy_logic> shinigami: i think it is /dev/audio.. not 100% sure but i would go for that one
[04:50] <leopartux> how can i change logout screen
[04:50] <shinigami> how do i know and how to find out
[04:51] <ionus> WARNING: Deficient FUSE kernel module detected.
[04:51] <lzzc> fuzzy_logic: yeah, okay, whatever
[04:51] <ionus> what it is
[04:51] <ionus> ?
[04:51] <kuwanger> I'm having a small problem.  For some reason at startup, the X display isn't being switched to.
[04:52] <ionus> WARNING: Deficient FUSE kernel module detected. Some driver features are
[04:52] <ionus>          not available (swap file on NTFS, boot from NTFS by LILO), and
[04:52] <ionus>          unmount is not safe unless it's made sure the ntfs-3g process
[04:52] <ionus>          naturally terminates after calling 'umount'. The safe FUSE kernel
[04:52] <ionus>          driver is included in the official Linux kernels since version
[04:52] <ionus>          2.6.20-rc1, or in the FUSE 2.6.0 or later software packages,
[04:52] <ionus>          except the faulty FUSE version 2.6.2. For more help, please
[04:52] <ionus>          have a look at /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g/README.Debian. Thanks
[04:52] <Jucato> !pastebin | ionus
[04:52] <ubotu> ionus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:52] <ionus> eagles0513875> no its no work
[04:53] <FringeJacket> ah, hiding the join part makes this channel alot nicer
[04:53] <ionus> someone pleasa help me to write on ntfs partitions
[04:54] <ionus> ?
[04:54] <chode> ionus, ok.. hang on... meanwhile.. restore ur fstab the way it was b4
[04:54] <ionus> i dont understand
[04:55] <chode> ionus, didn;t u change ur fstab just now??
[04:55] <chode> i'm going to show u a very easy way
[04:55] <FringeJacket> ionus he's temporarily wrong
[04:55] <ionus> yes
[04:55] <FringeJacket> s/wrong/gone
[04:56] <FringeJacket> sorry, my friend said wrong while I was tying
[04:56] <ionus> i put -3g on end of the line
[04:56] <PasNox> hi
[04:56] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g
[04:56] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:56] <chode> ionus, so restore it
[04:56] <lzzc> Tip for improving ubuntu website appearance:  in firefox with adblock extension, right click and adblock all the images of the silly-insipid-smiley-shiny-happy-people.
[04:56] <ionus> how
[04:56] <chode> and tell me.. r u using Edgy??
[04:56] <ionus> ?
[04:56] <fuzzy_logic> hi PasNox
[04:56] <ionus> how to restore
[04:56] <PasNox> i have installed festy for testing, and update to date ( last update was xorg )
[04:56] <NSCAD_Nathan> what's the best program for expose like functionality in KDE?
[04:57] <PasNox> and now my nvidia driver crash the x server
[04:57] <PasNox> what i can do ?
[04:57] <chode> Jucato, he's very new.. so he needs step by step help
[04:57] <chode> ionus, just remove those "-3g" u added
[04:57] <ionus> yes i am new :)
[04:57] <NSCAD_Nathan> I tried kompose, but it didn't seem so great
[04:57] <Ultima> I'm back from GParted
[04:57] <ionus> ok wait
[04:57] <chode> so it will b the way it was b4 u chaned it
[04:57] <Ultima> It didn't work
[04:57] <Jucato> chode: I think those guides are step by step... but don't really know personally
[04:57] <PasNox> feisty*
[04:57] <ionus> i do that
[04:57] <ionus> ?
[04:58] <fuzzy_logic> aight.. i have to go.. bb people! good luck with ur probs
[04:58] <Ultima> According to GParted by partition has a bad sector
[04:58] <PasNox> fuzzy_logic: ++
[04:58] <Ultima> Is It possible to:
[04:58] <Ultima> 1.Install Kubuntu
 i restore it
[04:58] <WaxyFresh> will synaptic work with kubuntu
[04:58] <Ultima> Then
[04:58] <Ultima> 2,Install TinyXP
[04:58] <leopartux> Znuff: try to edit ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc
[04:58] <stevethepirate> hello all
[04:58] <chode> ionus, u have ubuntu or kubuntu ??
[04:58] <Ultima> stevethepirate: Hi
[04:58] <ionus> kubuntu
[04:58] <stevethepirate> will i need anti -viurs for linux.. ever?
[04:58] <ionus> 6.10
[04:59] <chode> ok edgy right?
[04:59] <chode> ok wait
[04:59] <FringeJacket> stevethepirate  hi
[04:59] <Ultima> stevethepirate: Probably not.
[04:59] <stevethepirate> ahh
[04:59] <stevethepirate> this is now through my pc.. as opposed to cellphone!!
[04:59] <ionus> stept by step from the begining please
[04:59] <stevethepirate> the wonders of tunnelling, l33t hackin and irssi
[04:59] <Ultima> stevethepirate: A antivirus for Windows/Car is doors/antivirus Linux/Motorbike doesn't have Doors/Antivirus
[04:59] <FringeJacket> stevethepirate yay! I still have cellphone at home, I understand your joy
[05:00] <stevethepirate> lol
[05:00] <stevethepirate> its painfull. . and i'm in RSA.. so its lank slow... like 4 sec delay.
[05:00] <Ultima> GUys
 are u here?
[05:00] <chode> ionus, "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:00] <Ultima> Can I install Kubuntu then Windows?
[05:01] <ionus> type it in terminal
[05:01] <chode> Ultima, install windows first
[05:01] <FringeJacket> Ultima why would you want to do that?
[05:01] <Ultima> I have WIndows
[05:01] <stevethepirate> i have superakaramba... and it says i'm using 1900 megs of my ram.. but i don't believe it...
[05:01] <Ultima> Its just my partition is taking all and it has a bad sector
[05:01] <hansen> Ultima: if you installed linux first and then windows, you will have to restore the master boot record to get access to linux again
[05:01] <ionus> chode i do that
[05:01] <FringeJacket> I have windows xp and kubuntu on mine Ultima
[05:01] <PasNox> problem: no nvidia driver working since 7.04beta feisty install then xorg updaet
[05:01] <stevethepirate> how can i check?
[05:01] <ionus> next step
[05:01] <chode> ionus, did u get a file open in kate wich has a bunch of lines?
[05:01] <Ultima> I have windows
[05:01] <Ultima> I Just can't resize my partition
[05:02] <ionus> yea
[05:02] <Ultima> SInce WIndows denies
[05:02] <ionus> yes
[05:02] <Ultima> And its hogging all partition space except 7mb
[05:02] <FringeJacket> Ultima have you restarted windows and let it properly shut down?
[05:02] <Ultima> I tryed GParted
[05:02] <hansen> stevethepirate: I have that too -- in Parallels Desktop on my macbook :)
[05:02] <Ultima> Same problem
[05:02] <ionus> chode  isee sources.list- kate
[05:02] <stevethepirate> lol
[05:02] <stevethepirate> how can  i check how much free ram i have free???
[05:03] <hansen> free ram is wasted ram...
[05:03] <FringeJacket> Ultima how much space is taken up by windows? (including games and files)
[05:03] <chode> ionus, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12957/     <--------  now open this link and add what u see there in the end of the list
[05:03] <Ultima> About 60GB
[05:03] <Chousuke> stevethepirate: top and free show some statistics
[05:03] <stevethepirate> well.. nonetheless, id like to see how much of it is free.
[05:03] <Ultima> I Have a 130gb Hard-drive
[05:04] <ionus>  http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all
[05:04] <ionus> deb http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all
[05:04] <chode> ionus,  "deb http://flomertens.free.fr/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all"
[05:04] <chode> yes those 3 lines
[05:04] <ionus>  yes it is
[05:04] <FringeJacket> Ultima thats whats actuallyused? not the partition size?
[05:04] <chode> ionus, done ??
[05:04] <Ultima> yes
[05:04] <Ultima> The partition size is 131gb
[05:04] <ionus>  1  liniies deb http://flomertens.free.fr/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all
[05:05] <Ultima> And I Have 7mb free
[05:05] <Ultima> (partition)
[05:05] <ionus> 2 linie deb http://ntfs-3g.sitesweetsite.info/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all
[05:05] <chode> ionus, "deb http://flomertens.free.fr/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all"
[05:05] <chode> not with 1 2 3
[05:05] <hansen> Ultima: which app do you use for resizeing the partition?
[05:05] <stevethepirate> it says i have 60 megs free ram.. and 650Megs in buffers...  but that my swap is nearly empty...
[05:05] <ionus> e see this linie
[05:05] <Ultima> GParted\
[05:05] <FringeJacket> Ultima you tried repartitioning from the live cd?
[05:05] <ionus> !!
[05:05] <Ultima> DIdn't work
[05:05] <kuwanger> Free ram is ram from the skies.
[05:05] <stevethepirate> hansen: i use paragon partition manaher myself.. on hirens boot disk..
[05:05] <WaxyFresh> i only have 98 megabites left on my hd any ideas to clear up space?
[05:05] <Ultima> Access denied from partition
[05:05] <Ultima> Remove stuff you don't use
[05:05] <chode> ionus, pvt
[05:06] <hansen> Ultima: try defragmenting the windows partition first
[05:06] <Ultima> and will just stay there
[05:06] <Ultima> I Have.
[05:06] <Ultima> I just want to use Kubuntu
[05:06] <Ultima> It really annoys mew
[05:06] <kuwanger> WaxyFresh: Delete all your kitten images?
[05:06] <Ultima> me*
[05:06] <stevethepirate> so it it bad that i only have 60 megs free ram???
[05:06] <FringeJacket> WaxyFresh move all music and picture to cds
[05:06] <Ultima> no not really.
[05:06] <chode> ionus, check ur prvt chat window
[05:06] <hansen> Partition Manager has worked well for me in the past
[05:07] <WaxyFresh> kuwanger: kittens?
[05:07] <kuwanger> WaxyFresh: That's what I'm calling it.
[05:07] <ionus> u have yahoo id?
[05:07] <Ultima> Is there a free Magic Partition for Windows?
[05:07] <stevethepirate> Ultima: was that at me about the "no not reaaally"?
[05:07] <WaxyFresh> im trying to remove open office.org but i keep getting unresovled dependances that wont clear up
[05:07] <ionus> chode ? do u have yahoo id
[05:07] <ionus> tel me
[05:07] <ionus> ?
[05:07] <chode> ionus, no
[05:07] <ionus> ok
[05:07] <hansen> Vista can shrink ntfs partitions non-destructively, so no need for 3rd. party tools for that
[05:07] <WaxyFresh> kuwanger: i have no music/pics
[05:08] <Ultima> I don't have VIsta
[05:08] <kuwanger> Is there any reason why the virtual console wouldn't switch at computer startup?  It isn't for me.
[05:08] <Ultima> And I don't feel like torrenting it just  to change partition
[05:08] <chode> ionus, ok... u have the source list still open??
[05:08] <kuwanger> WaxyFresh: That's a shame.
[05:08] <ionus> how i can sent privete msg
[05:08] <FringeJacket> WaxyFresh what is taking up all your space then
[05:08] <ionus> yes
[05:08] <ionus> ?
[05:08] <Falgor> my friend needs to know what the password and username for the beta 7.04 live cd are. Anyone know?
[05:08] <WaxyFresh> ive only got like 4 gigs i think,my laptop broke and am froced to use a old computer
[05:08] <chode> ionus, u don;t need to add those 1 2 3
[05:08] <ionus> yes
[05:08] <Falgor> for some reason it's not letting him pass
[05:08] <kuwanger> WaxyFresh: Well, that's life then.
[05:09] <chode> just add what i tell u in thu netween quotes
[05:09] <WaxyFresh> FringeJacket: should dapper+ automatix take up 4 gigs?
[05:09] <FringeJacket> WaxyFresh its a deal with it kinda situation
[05:09] <chode> ionus,  "deb http://flomertens.free.fr/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all"
[05:09] <kuwanger> Though I am still sort of waiting for the day that one of the fuse compression layers is used.
[05:09] <chode> ionus, "deb http://ntfs-3g.sitesweetsite.info/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all"
[05:09] <FringeJacket> WaxyFresh I don't know much about dapper, I started with edgy
[05:09] <ionus> but i have it
[05:09] <chode> ionus, "deb http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/ edgy main main-all"
[05:09] <Falgor> My friend needs to know what the password and username for the beta 7.04 live cd are. Anyone know? *_*
[05:09] <chode> just those 3 lines
[05:10] <Ultima> Falgor> There isn't one, I'm using it right now.
[05:10] <chode> ionus, there is no preceding 1, 2 , 3
[05:10] <Ultima> Falgor>Tryed Ubuntu then Ubuntu
[05:10] <ionus> ok i do that
[05:10] <eagles0513875> im back
[05:10] <eagles0513875> did it work ionus
[05:10] <eagles0513875> i broke feisty lol
[05:10] <chode> ionus, now save the file and exit it
[05:11] <ionus> no
[05:11] <FringeJacket> ok eagles0513875
[05:11] <ionus> ok
[05:11] <eagles0513875> :(ok
[05:11] <ionus> i do that
[05:11] <hansen> Ultima: did you try to defrag the hd from windows, then boot the kubuntu install CD and run GParted?
[05:11] <eagles0513875> fringe u registered
[05:11] <FringeJacket> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683 I used this
[05:11] <chode> ionus, "sudo aptitude update"
[05:11] <WaxyFresh> is there a way to get apt-get to remove something that has unresolved dependancys?
[05:11] <eagles0513875> im reinstalling edgy atm
[05:11] <Ultima> hansent: I'm using the live CD
[05:11] <ionus> wait
[05:11] <hansen> and that doesn't work?
[05:11] <eagles0513875> i have to say though its rather fast booting up and shutting down
[05:12] <eagles0513875> fringe can i still get that how to to config my wifi plz
[05:12] <hansen> Ultima: maybe try this: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[05:12] <Falgor> Ultima I shall try
[05:12] <FringeJacket> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683 I used this eagles0513875
[05:12] <Ultima> I did
[05:12] <Ultima> I used it
[05:12] <hansen> but the kubuntu live CD should be fine
[05:12] <eagles0513875> ty fringe
[05:12] <Ultima> I would use Kubuntu but what about my games?
[05:12] <Falgor> thanks, Ultima
[05:12] <Ultima> Such as PSU,World Of Warcraft, etc.
[05:13] <ionus> ok i do that
[05:13] <ionus> ?
[05:13] <hansen> Ultima: you didn't be any change set some "virus protection" blah in BIOS that prevents GParted from messing with the partition table?
[05:13] <hansen> s/be/by/
[05:13] <chode> ionus, it finished updating??
[05:13] <FringeJacket> eagles0513875 dont thank me til it works
[05:13] <ionus> yes
[05:13] <stevethepirate> Hello!!!!!!!! IS IT A BAD thing that i've 60 megs free space?
[05:13] <Falgor> yes!
[05:13] <chode> ionus, "sudo aptitude upgrade"
[05:13] <Ultima> hansent: How do you change it?
[05:13] <ionus> but is one eror
[05:13] <Ultima> hansent: ...
[05:13] <stevethepirate> Falgor: how do i fix it?
[05:13] <chode> ionus, oh sorry
[05:13] <eagles0513875> ok well im going to have to email this to myself cuz im reinstalling edgy as we speak
[05:13] <Falgor> download blender, stevethepirate
[05:13] <ionus> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:14] <chode> i forgot to add ur gpg key
[05:14] <eagles0513875> so ill have to keep u informed
[05:14] <FringeJacket> eagles0513875 yeah I'm registered and identified
[05:14] <stevethepirate> Falgor: what is blender?
[05:14] <Falgor> and create high poly multires sculptings
[05:14] <Falgor> www.blender3d.org
[05:14] <eagles0513875> !aptfix |ionus
[05:14] <hansen> Ultima: reboot computer, go into BIOS setup and poke around, see what you find
[05:14] <ubotu> ionus: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:14] <stevethepirate> og
[05:14] <Ultima> hansent: Why does it keep on saying hansent?
[05:14] <stevethepirate> Falgor: STFU.
[05:14] <chode> ionus, "wget http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/givre_key.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[05:14] <hansen> no idea
[05:14] <Falgor> it's open source, dude
[05:14] <ionus> kill all?
[05:14] <ionus> or no?
[05:14] <ionus> kill al 5439
[05:14] <stevethepirate> Falgor: on a more serious note.. how can i tell what is using all the RAM?
[05:15] <Falgor> oh RAM
[05:15] <dennis_> hi lads, the latest dist-upgrade will remove openoffice.org-core ....what should i do, just wait it out and try again in a couple of hours?
[05:15] <chode> ionus, do u have synaptic running in ur taskbar??
[05:15] <ionus> yes
[05:15] <Falgor> stevethepirate dont ask me. I just came here to ask help for my friend. I dont even have linux ^_^;
[05:15] <ionus> adept manager/
[05:15] <ionus> ?
[05:15] <chode> ionus, close it
[05:15] <stevethepirate> lo.
[05:15] <stevethepirate> then STFU
[05:15] <ionus> ok
[05:15] <ionus> i do
[05:15] <Falgor> stevethepirate be nice.
[05:16] <chode> ionus, "wget http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/givre_key.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[05:16] <stevethepirate> can anyone tell me what to do???
[05:16] <ionus> kill al?
[05:16] <chode> ionus, no... type that in ur terminal
[05:16] <chode> tell me what u get
[05:17] <ionus> ok
[05:17] <ionus> i do
[05:17] <Falgor> Ultima so it's Kubuntu 7.04 Beta you're using?
[05:17] <ionus> it is saved
[05:17] <chode> ionus, if it goes alright u'll get and "OK"
[05:17] <Ultima> Falgor: Yes.
[05:17] <stevethepirate> anyone here use wine for games?
[05:17] <WaxyFresh> what am i typeing wrong? sudo apt-get purge purge openoffice.org-base --force?
[05:17] <enzo_> Admiral_Chicago: Jucato: Hey. I'm about to boot into the newest kernel
[05:17] <ionus> yes i see ok
[05:17] <FringeJacket> stevethepirate maybe if you tried not using the language you did... but people probably just don't know
[05:17] <ionus> it is ok
[05:17] <Jucato> enzo_: ooh good luck! :)
[05:17] <chode> ionus, now "sudo aptitude update"
[05:17] <WaxyFresh> sudo apt-get --force sleep-eat
[05:18] <Falgor> Ultima my friend just had some hdd errors, and now he cant log in
[05:18] <ionus> wait
[05:18] <enzo_> Admiral_Chicago: This is draik
[05:18] <hansen> stevethepirate: run "top" is a shell, then press F, then n, then return. Now you should see a list of processes sorted by virtual memory usage
[05:18] <enzo_> Thank you Jucato
[05:18] <chode> ionus, tell me when it finishes getting the update list
[05:18] <stevethepirate> FringeJacket: huh? The idiot told me to install blender to see my RAM problems.. i'd rather not have that kindo of adviceeee
[05:18] <Falgor> it's the live CD, Ultima
[05:18] <stevethepirate> thanks hansen
[05:18] <ionus> done
[05:18] <Falgor> idiot?
[05:18] <Falgor> thanks a lot ;D
[05:18] <ionus> full pakege list
[05:18] <Ultima> Fagor: Its the live CD
[05:18] <Falgor> ok
[05:18] <Falgor> well
[05:19] <Falgor> I guess it's borked.
[05:19] <enzo_> Admiral_Chicago: Jucato: I take it back. I'm in. I'm ok.
[05:19] <chode> ionus, hows it going???
[05:19] <stevethepirate> hansen: only small stuff.. only  big thing is amarok .. 150 megs
[05:19] <ionus> i ned to go now i will get bak in 30 min
[05:19] <Ultima> Should I try making a extended partition with GParted?
[05:19] <ionus> ok?
[05:19] <ionus> soryy
[05:19] <Ultima> Would it work?
[05:19] <ionus> itst important
[05:19] <ionus> after 30 min
[05:20] <ionus> ok?
[05:20] <stevethepirate> how can i get wine? will "sudo apt-get install wine" work fine for the latest version?
[05:20] <chode> ionus, i might not b here later.. but u can ask any of these guys and pick up from where u left
[05:20] <chode> tell them where u stopped
[05:20] <ionus> isee done result
[05:20] <stevethepirate> hellO?
[05:21] <chode> ok ionus it finished updating with no errors???
[05:21] <ionus> yes
[05:21] <ionus> yes
[05:21] <chode> ionus, now "sudo aptitude upgrade"
[05:21] <stevethepirate> where can i get open arean from?
[05:21] <enzo_> Jucato: I don't get it. I can't update the video driver. It just won't accept the change.
[05:21] <chode> ionus, this will only take a few mins
[05:21] <chode> very easy
[05:21] <Jucato> enzo_: feisty?
[05:21] <ionus> done
[05:22] <ionus> done
[05:22] <ionus> done
[05:22] <enzo_> edgy Jucato
[05:22] <ionus> o packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[05:22] <stevethepirate> where can i get openarena from??
[05:22] <ionus> o packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[05:22] <ionus> no packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[05:22] <chode> ionus, now "sudo apt-get install ntfs-config"
[05:22] <ionus> done
[05:22] <ionus> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:23] <ionus> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:23] <ionus> please more quikly
[05:23] <chode> ionus, ???? if u followed correctly.. it should install u ntfs-config with ntfs-3g
[05:23] <ionus> and?
[05:23] <ionus> where\
[05:23] <ionus> ?
[05:24] <ionus> and now its work
[05:24] <coty> anyone here experienced with installing beryl
[05:24] <ionus> ?
[05:24] <chode> ionus, from what u said... it didn;t install anything.. that means u havn;t followed it thru
[05:24] <stevethepirate> ANYONE: used openarena before?
[05:24] <ionus> i ned goo
[05:24] <chode> ionus, ok laters
[05:24] <ionus> thx
[05:24] <FringeJacket> coty how much experience you need
[05:25] <FringeJacket> coty, do you just need the sommand or what?
[05:26] <FringeJacket> s/sommand/command
[05:26] <enzo_> Does the new kernel like Beryl?
[05:27] <dennister> hey ppl, hope everyone's doing well...this may seem like a total newbie questions, but how in the heck do I find and add a news server for a newsreader program like Pan?
[05:27] <dennister> it's been so many years since i read newsgroups I've forgotten how, lol
[05:29] <coty> so are is there anyone experienced that can help me install beryl
[05:29] <stevethepirate> how do i set a proxy for my konsole?
[05:29] <stevethepirate> coty: i'm also looking to install berly at some stage..
[05:29] <coty> so there are two of us
[05:30] <Yorokobi> coty, stevethepirate the beryl-project.org site has links to good install instructions
[05:30] <chode> coty, beryl site has a very nice walk thru
[05:30] <FringeJacket> coty, do you just need the command or what?
[05:30] <coty> i cant find it
[05:30] <FringeJacket> stevethepirate one problem at a time
[05:30] <coty> what is the command
[05:31] <slestak> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Main_Page
[05:31] <stevethepirate> FringeJacket: okay.. just to set http proxy for konsole..?
[05:31] <coty> can beryl work on most computers
[05:31] <chode> coty, it's pretty easy i'm a total noob my self.. but it helped me
[05:31] <Yorokobi> Why would you need a proxy for konsole?
[05:31] <stevethepirate> for wget
[05:32] <stevethepirate> and for apt-get ..
[05:32] <slestak> coty: i have installed it on 3-4 computers, and it has worked for all.  some have needed aiglx while orthers were better with fglrx.  depends on what video card you have.
[05:32] <stevethepirate> slestak: for a nvidia 7600gt?
[05:32] <coty> My computer is 7 years old if that helps
[05:32] <FringeJacket> stevethepirate I use apt-get with no problem (not know what you meant by the http proxy comment)
[05:33] <chode> coty, beryl site explains it all.. hardware recommendations... installation process
[05:33] <coty> chode: they dont have it for kubuntu just ubuntu
[05:33] <stevethepirate> FringeJacket: i ahave to connect through a proxy to get internet...
[05:33] <FringeJacket> stevethepirate, have you tried sudo apt-get? (yeah, like the good old fashioned is it plugged in question)
[05:33] <stevethepirate> so my apt-get also does..
[05:33] <Yorokobi> coty ubuntu and kubuntu are the same
[05:33] <stevethepirate> FringeJacket: yes
[05:33] <slestak> i dont have an nvidia machine atm.  when i did, I used gentoo and the nvidia drivers provided the composite extension.  im not sure how that works for x/k/ubuntu.
[05:33] <chode> coty, i'm on kubuntu.. i followed that wiki
[05:34] <FringeJacket> ah, I'm not experienced with proxys
[05:34] <coty> ok
[05:34] <Jucato> coty: ubuntu and kubuntu share the same repositories. what works for one, will work for the other (most of the time)
[05:34] <coty> ok
[05:34] <Yorokobi> coty, one of the walk-throughs has KDE-specific instructs along with Gnome instructions
[05:34] <eagles0513875> what do i use to add feisty repositories
[05:34] <shinigami> help.. my kubuntu's kde clock disappeared!
[05:34] <chode> coty, if it says gedit replace it with kate.. or nano...
[05:35] <coty> this is a pain
[05:36] <coty> im not sure which one to go with
[05:36] <FringeJacket> sorry that I can't help stevethepirate
[05:36] <coty> on the ubuntu guide
[05:36] <FringeJacket> shinigami more information please
[05:36] <eagles0513875> !repositories
[05:36] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:36] <Jucato> shinigami: right-click on the panel -> add applet to panel -> clock ?
[05:36] <eagles0513875> !feisty
[05:36] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[05:36] <shinigami> well.. in the past there used to be a clock on the bottom right hand side
[05:36] <eagles0513875> !sourcecode
[05:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sourcecode - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:36] <shinigami> ahh ok got it
[05:36] <shinigami> applet
[05:37] <coty> chode: which part of the ubuntu guide should i go with
[05:37] <eagles0513875> there was an ubuntu site that i was given the linked too they automatically generated the repositories for me
[05:37] <Jucato> !source-o-matic | eagles0513875
[05:37] <ubotu> eagles0513875: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:37] <dennister> could anyone help me with my newsreader?
[05:37] <eagles0513875> ty jucato
[05:37] <dennister> pls, pretty please :-)
[05:38] <shinigami> i'm using tvtime with saa7134 now.. works fine, can watch channels.. but no sound....anyone knows why?
[05:38] <Jucato> !anyone | dennister
[05:38] <ubotu> dennister: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:38] <Yorokobi> coty, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu#Ubuntu_6.10_.28Edgy_Eft.29
[05:39] <dennister> i did; again: how do i add a news server to a newsreader?
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> morning Jucato
[05:39] <Jucato> morning Daisuke_Ido
[05:39] <eagles0513875> where is list of repositories stored
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> dennister: that all depends on the newsreader, but generally it's in a section for accounts
[05:39] <Bill_Gate> Can anybody help me get my wireless running?
[05:40] <fuzzy_logic> hi
[05:40] <eagles0513875> is it broadcom bill
[05:40] <Bill_Gate> I am using the RT37 drivers.
[05:40] <NiceGuyUK> eagles0513875: in /etc/apt/source.list
[05:40] <eagles0513875> for a broadcom card though
[05:40] <eagles0513875> ty nice
[05:40] <fuzzy_logic> quick question.. how can u let a program automatically start at logon?
[05:40] <Bill_Gate> It's has taking me 1 month installing kubuntu and after going so far I have no network.
[05:40] <dennister> Daisuke_Ido: well i'm using pan, and I found some free public servers, but i'm stumped from there
[05:40] <tux> fuzzy_logic: you can put it in fstab
[05:40] <Yorokobi> fuzzy_logic, during KDE startup or boot?
[05:40] <fdoving> !autorun | fuzzy_logic
[05:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <enzo_> Jucato: Where do I find xorg.conf?
[05:41] <FringeJacket> Bill_Gate why did it take a month? no swap allocation?
[05:41] <fuzzy_logic> Yorokobi: during kde startup
[05:41] <tux> Bill_Gate:  perhaps your name is to close to Bill Gates :p
[05:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i haven't used pan in 3 years :\
[05:41] <NiceGuyUK> enzo_: in /etc/X11
[05:41] <fdoving> !autostart | fuzzy_logic
[05:41] <ubotu> fuzzy_logic: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:41] <Yorokobi> fuzzy_logic, ^^
[05:41] <Jucato> enzo_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:41] <coty> im stuck
[05:41] <fuzzy_logic> thanks fdoving, will try that
[05:41] <enzo_> Right.
[05:41] <enzo_> Thank you.
[05:41] <tux> coty: stuck with what
[05:41] <Bill_Gate> It's crazy..
[05:42] <coty> the auto start
[05:42] <Bill_Gate> It took me a few hours to install MacOSX and get everything working..
[05:42] <coty> in the tut on installing beryl
[05:42] <tux> you're running kubuntu?
[05:42] <coty> yes
[05:42] <Bill_Gate> Linux...crazy nothing works.
[05:42] <tux> ok
[05:42] <tux> coty: you installed beryl?
[05:42] <coty> no
[05:42] <coty> trying to
[05:42] <coty> it is really a pain
[05:42] <Bill_Gate> But right now I need network running so I can install packages...
[05:42] <chijin> i installed beryl in 5 minutes
[05:42] <dennister> i could use the one in kontact, or a host of others I've downloaded...but there seems to be a real lack of info as to how to get started with finding the list of usenet newsgroups and how to configure them so you can subscribe to some
[05:43] <tuhyk> exit
[05:43] <coty> chijin: i wish it was that easy for me
[05:43] <tuhyk> *quit
[05:43] <Bill_Gate> iwlist returns networks
[05:43] <dennister> Daisuke_Ido: do you use any other newsreader apps?
[05:43] <Bill_Gate> but It seems I cant associate to my network.
[05:43] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, are you using edgy or feisty?
[05:44] <coty> So..anyone here up for the difficult task of helping me install beryl
[05:44] <shinigami> i'm using tvtime with saa7134 now.. works fine, can watch channels.. but no sound....anyone knows why?
[05:44] <Bill_Gate> edgy
[05:44] <FringeJacket> coty I'll help
[05:44] <Bill_Gate> I tried feisty and it was too buggy.
[05:44] <coty> Fringejacket: cool man your the best
[05:44] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, do you have wlassistant installed?
[05:44] <abortd_> so amarok can play mp3s bu not burn them?
[05:44] <Bill_Gate> Yes.
[05:44] <abortd_> well k3b cant burn them?
[05:45] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, sudo wlassistant
[05:45] <Bill_Gate> I have configure /etc/networks/interfaces
[05:45] <tux> coty: you need to make beryl-manager start automaticly?
[05:45] <coty> ok
[05:45] <chijin> i don't think a 7-year-old computer can run beryl very well
[05:45] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, for DHCP or static IP/route?
[05:45] <Bill_Gate> my network uses WPA2 with TKIP
[05:45] <ionus> so someone pleasa help me
[05:45] <Yorokobi> ah ... you'll need the wpasupplicant then
[05:45] <ionus> ?
[05:46] <Bill_Gate> Static or DHCP I dont care right now.
[05:46] <Yorokobi> Or knetwork-manager
[05:46] <ionus> to write in ntfs
[05:46] <eagles0513875> Yorokobi: how does 1 setup dhcp server using kubuntu
[05:46] <ionus> ?
[05:46] <Bill_Gate> knetwork manager?? never..
[05:46] <Bill_Gate> that program sucks.
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> dennister: my only use for usenet was binaries, so BNR did me until it stiopped development - after that i kinda quit
[05:46] <ionus> eagles0513875
[05:46] <eagles0513875> whats wrong ionus
[05:46] <ionus> help me
[05:46] <Yorokobi> knetwork-manager is easier to use than wpasupplicant
[05:46] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, a DHCP server? No.
[05:46] <ionus> write in ntfsa
[05:47] <eagles0513875> j/w would the dhcp client work as dhcp server out of box
[05:47] <eagles0513875> ionus: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[05:47] <Yorokobi> client != server
[05:47] <dennister> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, i quit too...huge waste of time normally, but now I need to find some info
[05:47] <eagles0513875> i dunno it could happen
[05:47] <eagles0513875> ionus: let me know when u have ntfs3g installed
[05:47] <Bill_Gate> I am willing to do anything!!!
[05:47] <Bill_Gate> I will even suck your XXXX
[05:48] <Bill_Gate> Just need to get it working.
[05:48] <Bill_Gate> LOL
[05:48] <eagles0513875> Yorokobi: reason i ask is im working on setting up a cluster and the master node has the os and all the slave nodes will do a diskless boot from master node using pxe
[05:48] <Yorokobi> Yeah ... not very funny
[05:48] <coty> Bill_Gates: not funny
[05:48] <fdoving> !language | bill_gate
[05:48] <ubotu> bill_gate: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:48] <Bill_Gate> THat's from ROME TV SERIES
[05:48] <coty> Bill_Gates: i dont like gay people so please dont say that stuff
[05:48] <Yorokobi> HBO is rarely worth watching IMHO
[05:49] <ionus> write in ntfs
[05:49] <ionus> partitions
[05:49] <ionus> how i can to write in ntfs
[05:49] <ionus> ?
[05:49] <dennister> fdoving: ty...you wouldn't happen to use newsreaders, do you?
[05:49] <eagles0513875> did what i say make sense to ya Yorokobi
[05:49] <Bill_Gate> just showing my desperation..
[05:49] <fdoving> eagles0513875: get dhcp3-server
[05:49] <Yorokobi> but anyway, Bill_Gate, knetworkmanager would be your best bet
[05:49] <Bill_Gate> man how do they expect regular people to use linux??
[05:49] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, sort of. I've never used PXE
[05:49] <coty> Bill_Gates ; they dont
[05:49] <Bill_Gate> Yorokobi: I am downloading it now..
[05:49] <coty> Bill_Gates: they expect nerds to know
[05:50] <dennister> ionus: you were told to install a program, have you done this yet?
[05:50] <Bill_Gate> Yorokobi: didnt work with feisty.
[05:50] <coty> i feel that were all nerds here
[05:50] <eagles0513875> Yorokobi: with thsi cluster we have  the master node which has 2 nics
[05:50] <FringeJacket> Bill_Gate you turn nerd quickly
[05:50] <eagles0513875> one connecting to the internet and another to internal one
[05:50] <ionus> soo how i can to write in ntfs formats
[05:50] <ionus> soo how i can to write in ntfs formats
[05:50] <ionus> eagles0513875
[05:50] <eagles0513875> ionus: sudo kate /etc/fstab
[05:50] <dennister> ionus: have u installed the program yet?
[05:50] <Bill_Gate> Knetwork Manager supports WPA2??
[05:51] <coty> being a nerd is the best
[05:51] <eagles0513875> before that also make sure ur ntfs partition is mounted
[05:51] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, it doesn't work any better in edgy but it saves a load of headache trying to get wpasupplicant working
[05:51] <coty> It really shows you how stupid people are
[05:51] <ionus> yes is mountes
[05:51] <piovisqui> Bill_Gate: use wpa_supplicant
[05:51] <Yorokobi> and yes, knetworkmanager supports wpa2
[05:51] <ionus> monted
[05:51] <coty> like when you ask what type of computer they have they say xp
[05:51] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:51] <eagles0513875> now
[05:51] <eagles0513875> ionus: sudo kate /etc/fstab
[05:51] <Bill_Gate> piovisqui: i tried..its not connecting to my network.
[05:52] <ionus> ok
[05:52] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, does your wifi router use MAC address filtering, by chance?
[05:52] <ionus> done
[05:52] <Bill_Gate> Yorokobi: no
[05:52] <ionus> isee fstab-kate
[05:52] <fdoving> dennister: hi. not regularily. knode is probably nice.
[05:52] <stevethepirate> ionus:
[05:52] <ionus> ?
[05:52] <coty> !jewbuntu
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jewbuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <stevethepirate> just get ntfs-3g
[05:52] <piovisqui> Bill_Gate: you need to configure /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf with you  net authentication methods
[05:53] <piovisqui> your*
[05:53] <ionus> ok
[05:53] <Jucato> !kdesu | eagles0513875
[05:53] <ionus> wait
[05:53] <ubotu> eagles0513875: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:53] <eagles0513875> is that already installed ionus
[05:53] <coty> !info jewbuntu
[05:53] <Bill_Gate> piovisqui: dude.. I have done it. still dont work.
[05:53] <ubotu> Package jewbuntu does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:53] <Yorokobi> There is no jewbuntu, coty
[05:53] <Jucato> coty: there is no jewbuntu
[05:53] <stevethepirate> then add your other partition as a decive on /etc/fstab
[05:53] <eagles0513875> ty Jucato
[05:53] <eagles0513875> not add it steve
[05:53] <coty> someone said there was
[05:53] <eagles0513875> if its mounted it will already show up in there
[05:53] <stevethepirate> then mk a mount directort.
[05:53] <coty> i was wondering if it was true
[05:53] <ionus> put -3g on the end line after ntsf
[05:53] <Bill_Gate> it just driving me crazy.
[05:53] <ionus> put -3g on the end line after ntsf
[05:53] <eagles0513875> all he has to do is add the -3g
[05:53] <piovisqui> Bill_Gate: sorry, i do not know more...
[05:53] <Jucato> coty: not in the repositories
[05:53] <Bill_Gate> I can see the networks and everything.
[05:53] <Yorokobi> coty, it is not true
[05:53] <Bill_Gate> just cant connect.
[05:53] <coty> ok
[05:53] <stevethepirate> then mount -a
[05:53] <coty> i did not think so
[05:53] <stevethepirate> or sudo mount -a
[05:53] <ionus> all or only with ntfs
[05:53] <ionus> all or only with ntfs
[05:54] <eagles0513875> just mount all
[05:54] <stevethepirate> that is for ntfs
[05:54] <shinigami> help, how do i see which device is using this module saa7134-alsa ? i need to modprobe -r saa7134-alsa but it says somethig is using it
[05:54] <eagles0513875> ok dont listen to me ionus
[05:54] <stevethepirate> i just  did that last night.,. works fine
[05:54] <Bill_Gate> Oh my god..
[05:54] <ionus> steve.. ok
[05:54] <ionus> save it
[05:54] <Bill_Gate> I have to download all the packages again.. and I dont have network.
[05:54] <ionus> ?
[05:54] <Bill_Gate> LOL
[05:54] <ionus> save it?
[05:54] <stevethepirate> huh?
[05:54] <ionus> whot
[05:55] <ionus> what
[05:55] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, download because they're not installed or download to reconfigure?
[05:55] <ionus> ??
[05:55] <ionus> i am new in kubuntu /linux
[05:55] <Bill_Gate> download cause they are not installed.
[05:56] <stevethepirate> okay
[05:56] <ionus> ?
[05:56] <Bill_Gate> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/kde/knetworkmanager
[05:56] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, you could try the install CD as a source ... not as complete (by a long shot) as the online repos but ...
[05:56] <Bill_Gate> yes that's what I have set it to..
[05:56] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, substitute edgy for dapper if your using edgy
[05:56] <stevethepirate> ionus: pm
[05:56] <ionus> how i can send private msg
[05:57] <Bill_Gate> it's ironic. My NIC is blacklisted. else kernel crash
[05:57] <ionus> how i can send private msg
[05:57] <stevethepirate> oh
[05:57] <Bill_Gate> my wifi aint working.
[05:57] <stevethepirate> no worries.
[05:57] <stevethepirate> okay
[05:57] <Bill_Gate> My network is right now a USB pen drive.
[05:57] <tux> how do i make a program (beryl in my case) autostart
[05:57] <stevethepirate> in konsole... type "sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g"
[05:57] <Yorokobi> !autostart | tux
[05:57] <ubotu> tux: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:57] <ionus> save that
[05:57] <ionus> ?
[05:57] <ionus> kate
[05:57] <ionus> ?
[05:57] <stevethepirate> "save that" ?
[05:58] <stevethepirate> what does that mean?
[05:58] <ionus> save ftab-kate
[05:58] <ionus> ?
[05:58] <stevethepirate> what are you smoking?
[05:58] <ionus> i put -3g on ntfs in fstab-kate
[05:58] <shinigami> one question about modprobe .. if i modprobe xxx in this session and reboot, will xxx be loaded automatically?
[05:58] <ionus> ?
[05:58] <stevethepirate> no
[05:58] <stevethepirate> wait
[05:58] <stevethepirate> have you downloaded ntfs-3g yet?
[05:59] <ionus> mebe
[05:59] <stevethepirate> god.
[05:59] <ionus> yes but it no work
[05:59] <Yorokobi> I feel your pain, stevethepirate
[05:59] <stevethepirate> okay
[05:59] <eagles0513875> not yet it wont work ionus
[05:59] <eagles0513875> ionus where ya from
[05:59] <rmallah> how to list supported xtensions of a running Xserver
[05:59] <ionus> i pres on ntfs cfg tools but no open
[05:59] <stevethepirate> thats what i'm trying to help yo do..
[05:59] <stevethepirate> no
[05:59] <stevethepirate> STFU for a sec.
[05:59] <stevethepirate> okaty
[06:00] <eagles0513875> fringe u still there
[06:00] <ionus> whot
[06:00] <stevethepirate> ionus : "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[06:00] <ionus> ok
[06:00] <stevethepirate> whats your harddrive number?
[06:00] <stevethepirate> i mean device address?
[06:00] <stevethepirate> like /dev/hda1 ?
[06:00] <ionus> dev/hdb5 /media/hdb5 ntfs fmask=0111,dmask=0000,uid=0,gid=0,auto,ro,user 0 0
[06:00] <ionus> dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ntfs fmask=0111,dmask=0000,uid=0,gid=0,auto,ro,user 0 0
[06:00] <kuwanger> Well, that's a shame.
[06:01] <ionus> i have 2 partitions
[06:01] <ionus> in ntfs
[06:01] <stevethepirate> yes
[06:01] <stevethepirate> well done
[06:01] <stevethepirate> okay
[06:01] <kuwanger> What boot logs are available in kubuntu?
[06:01] <stevethepirate> that this
[06:01] <stevethepirate> * remove that line
[06:01] <Yorokobi> kuwanger, dmesg
[06:01] <Yorokobi> its a command
[06:01] <kuwanger> Beyond dmesg.
[06:01] <eagles0513875> Yorokobi: how can i extract files from an exe
[06:01] <Yorokobi> kuwanger, /var/log/syslog and/or /var/log/messages
[06:02] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, cabextract is probably your best bet
[06:02] <ionus> all line with ntsf
[06:02] <Yorokobi> or unzip ??
[06:02] <ionus> with ntfs
[06:02] <ionus> ?
[06:02] <ionus> yes?
[06:02] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, depends on what was used to compress it
[06:02] <eagles0513875> its an exe for a wifi driver
[06:02] <tux> does making a link to a file in ~/.kde/autostart work for making a program load at startup?
[06:02] <stevethepirate> add this line "/dev/hdb5   /mnt/drive1    ntfs-3g    defaults,locale=en.US.utf8     0     0"
[06:03] <kuwanger> Well, that's odd.  "kdm_greet[4103] : Internal error: memory corruption detected"
[06:03] <ionus> where
[06:03] <ionus> ?
[06:03] <Yorokobi> kuwanger, I get that all the time
[06:03] <eagles0513875> mine is broadcom
[06:03] <stevethepirate> in /etc/fstab
[06:03] <stevethepirate> get rid of that other line..
[06:03] <stevethepirate> actually .. both of those other lines
[06:03] <kuwanger> Yorokobi: Do you ever have a problem where when you boot, the VC isn't switch to 7 automatically?
[06:03] <Yorokobi> kuwanger, nope
[06:04] <ionus>  ii remove /dev/hdb5 /media/hdb5 ntfs-3g fmask=0111,dmask=0000,uid=0,gid=0,auto,ro,user 0 0       an d pt your line
[06:04] <stevethepirate> yes
[06:04] <ionus> i remove /dev/hdb5 /media/hdb5 ntfs-3g fmask=0111,dmask=0000,uid=0,gid=0,auto,ro,user 0 0
[06:04] <ionus> ok
[06:04] <stevethepirate> get rid of that line
[06:05] <stevethepirate> yes get rid of that too
[06:05] <kuwanger> Yorokobi: Any ideas on what might be causing it?  It also seems the case that until I switch, kdm doesn't start to load.
[06:05] <ionus> it?  /dev/hdb5   /mnt/drive1    ntfs-3g    defaults,locale=en.US.utf8     0     0
[06:05] <stevethepirate> yes
[06:05] <ionus> ok
[06:05] <stevethepirate> thats what to add
[06:05] <stevethepirate> done?
[06:05] <Yorokobi> kuwanger, what happens when you run /etc/init,d/kdm (as root or sudo) ?
[06:05] <ionus> and now?
[06:05] <stevethepirate> now save fstab and leave nano
[06:06] <stevethepirate> done?
[06:06] <ionus> but for 2nd partitions
[06:06] <ionus> ?
[06:06] <ionus> a have 2
[06:06] <ionus> ?
[06:06] <stevethepirate> well get to that now
[06:06] <stevethepirate> one at a time...
[06:06] <ionus> ok
[06:06] <ionus> i close and save
[06:06] <ionus> ?
[06:06] <stevethepirate> yes
[06:06] <stevethepirate> close and save
[06:06] <ionus> ok
[06:06] <ionus> done!!
[06:06] <stevethepirate> now "sudo mkdir /mnt/drive1"
[06:06] <kuwanger> Yorokobi: Um...I don't mean that kdm doesn't run.  I mean that kdm doesn't seem to load.  Ie, it takes as much time to display the greeter if I wait 5 seconds or 1 minute to switch to VC7.
[06:07] <stevethepirate> this makes the 'folder' that linux will think is just   another normal linux folder
[06:07] <snook353> where are the superkaramba theme files stored?
[06:07] <ionus> udo mkdir /mnt/drive1
[06:07] <ionus> ?
[06:07] <stevethepirate> done tha
[06:07] <stevethepirate> fvdv
[06:07] <Yorokobi> kuwanger, oh ... I think your issue is outside of my experience
[06:07] <phyerboss> Hey, guys...I posted this earlier but still no answer to it yet
[06:07] <phyerboss> can anyone tell me how they were able to get flash and java working in their browsers?
[06:07] <ionus> ok i do
[06:07] <kuwanger> Yorokobi: I see.
[06:07] <stevethepirate> dsfcsacasacaacdwdwdwdvsdvsdvsdvsdv
[06:07] <stevethepirate> sdv
[06:07] <stevethepirate> sdv
[06:07] <stevethepirate> sdv
[06:08] <stevethepirate> v
[06:08] <stevethepirate> dvs
[06:08] <ionus> done!!
[06:08] <stevethepirate> v
[06:08] <stevethepirate> ds
[06:08] <Bill_Gate> I cant compile knetwork manager..
[06:08] <Bill_Gate> damn..
[06:08] <stevethepirate> sd
[06:08] <ionus> hey
[06:08] <Bill_Gate> How do people deal with all this crap??
[06:08] <phyerboss> ...i guess it somehow gets done
[06:09] <Bill_Gate> linux will never be a mainstream OS.
[06:09] <ionus> hey someone help me fron end tp finish
[06:09] <phyerboss> not being smart but seriously, when i 1st learnt windows, it was like this
[06:09] <eagles0513875> maybe not for u bill
[06:09] <phyerboss> so its not hard
[06:09] <ionus> i am nnew
[06:09] <phyerboss> just diffrent
[06:09] <phoenixbyrd> wth o.0 ... linux is mainstream
[06:09] <ionus> steve?
[06:09] <phyerboss> and if you had the patience to learn mac or windows at 1 point, you can learn linux
[06:09] <ionus> are u here
[06:09] <ionus> >
[06:09] <stevethepirate> ionus: still ther? my irssi crashed..
[06:09] <ionus> ?
[06:09] <stevethepirate> ypu
[06:10] <stevethepirate> *yup.
[06:10] <ionus> ok
[06:10] <stevethepirate> just got bacj
[06:10] <ionus> ai do that
[06:10] <stevethepirate> okay
[06:10] <Bill_Gate> dude. I have worked with computers for over 10 years.
[06:10] <wolferine> what apps are used to check/repair filesystems?
[06:10] <Bill_Gate> sco, solaris, sun os, etc
[06:10] <phyerboss> same here
[06:10] <stevethepirate> have you "sudo mkdir /mnt/drive1" yet?
[06:10] <ionus> yes
[06:10] <stevethepirate> okay
[06:10] <Bill_Gate> I started with HPUnix.
[06:10] <stevethepirate> now
[06:10] <stevethepirate> "sudo mount -a"
[06:10] <ionus> ok
[06:10] <ionus> but with warning
[06:10] <stevethepirate> now cd /mnt/drive1
[06:11] <stevethepirate> what's teh warning?
[06:11] <phyerboss> good stuff...makes you waaay ahead of me^^...but seriously, if you took the time to learn those beast, i cant see how you'll let this beat you
[06:11] <Bill_Gate> but it's very different with all the unsupported hardware.
[06:11] <ionus> but with warning
[06:11] <ionus> WARNING: Couldn't set locale to 'en.US.utf8' thus some file names may not
[06:11] <ionus>          be correct or visible. Please see the potential solution at
[06:11] <ionus>          http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#locale
[06:11] <Yorokobi> SCO, Solaris, SunOS, HPUX ... all have one thing in common: proprietary hardware that their respective OS was written to work with
[06:11] <ionus> and somethink else
[06:11] <stevethepirate> try "cd /mnt/drive1"
[06:11] <phoenixbyrd> what unsupported hardware?
[06:11] <ionus> ok
[06:11] <stevethepirate> ls
[06:11] <stevethepirate> "ls
[06:11] <stevethepirate> "ls"
[06:11] <Bill_Gate> Yorokobi: that's right.
[06:11] <stevethepirate> what happens?
[06:12] <Bill_Gate> I am using a cheap ass laptop and nothing.
[06:12] <ionus> ok
[06:12] <ionus> and now
[06:12] <ionus> ?
[06:12] <stevethepirate> what is visible?
[06:12] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, how old or new is the laptop?
[06:12] <Bill_Gate> but MacOSX and Vista works perfectly.
[06:12] <ionus> ionus@ionus-desktop:/mnt/drive1$
[06:12] <Bill_Gate> Came out this year.
[06:12] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, Vista worked with it?
[06:12] <stevethepirate> now type "ls"
[06:12] <phyerboss> the 1st 1 yes...the latter one...uh, well...
[06:12] <robert__> Dell hell
[06:12] <ionus> bash: is: command not found
[06:12] <Bill_Gate> NIC RT8139 crashes the kernel (kernel bug - hope they fix this soon)
[06:13] <ionus> oo u sai is or ls
[06:13] <Bill_Gate> Yorokobi: dual booting, VIsta Aero now problem.
[06:13] <ionus> ?
[06:13] <phoenixbyrd> linux has always worked with my pc, no need to install any drivers ...
[06:13] <Yorokobi> Bill_Gate, your hardware is probably too new/proprietary to work cleanly with Linux
[06:13] <ionus> oo u say is or ls
[06:13] <Yorokobi> I had the same problem with a new HP laptop
[06:13] <Yorokobi> Even XP wouldn't work on it
[06:13] <Bill_Gate> if I can get MacOSX to work... I will get Linux to work...
[06:13] <Yorokobi> Only Vista
[06:13] <robert__> bash: killsonyceo: command not found
[06:14] <phyerboss> Thats the spirit!;)
[06:14] <phyerboss> heheh
[06:14] <robert__> bash: killbillgates: command not found
[06:14] <ionus> hey someone help me from end to finish step by step
[06:14] <Bill_Gate> it took me over 1 month to get it to install.. by compiling, blacklisting, etc
[06:15] <wolferine> end to finish?
[06:15] <Bill_Gate> now that is installed I need a network to work.
[06:15] <wolferine> if (@end) { finish' }
[06:15] <ionus> yes
[06:15] <stevethepirate> hello
[06:15] <ionus> ok
[06:15] <robert__> hello
[06:15] <ionus> i see u
[06:15] <stevethepirate> what happens when you "ls" ?
[06:15] <robert__> dunno
[06:15] <ionus> and now i see what is in it disk
[06:16] <phyerboss> ...anyone have any advice or a walkthrough I can follow to get Flash & java working?
[06:16] <ionus> and now i see what is in it disk
[06:16] <stevethepirate> is what should be there, there?
[06:16] <phyerboss> because the ones in adept dont work
[06:16] <robert__> dunno
[06:16] <ionus> isee my folders and files
[06:16] <stevethepirate> okat
[06:16] <stevethepirate> try read and write from them
[06:16] <Jucato> phyerboss: why don't they work? what version of Kubuntu are you on?
[06:16] <stevethepirate> like make a folder..
[06:16] <wolferine> ionus, why are you using linux again?
[06:16] <phyerboss> 6.10
[06:17] <phyerboss> edgy
[06:17] <Yorokobi> phyerboss, download the .tar.gz for flash and install it
[06:17] <Jucato> phyerboss: ah. flashplugin-nonfree not working?
[06:17] <Jucato> phyerboss: try enabling the edgy-backports repository and it will update to Flash 9
[06:17] <stevethepirate> ionus: you there?
[06:17] <ionus> i can not save
[06:17] <Bill_Gate> the worse part is that I know the wireless module is working
[06:17] <stevethepirate> lol
[06:17] <ionus> i cant sava
[06:17] <robert__> haha
[06:17] <stevethepirate> read the wiki that it gave you..
[06:17] <Bill_Gate> I just cant get it to associate with my router.
[06:17] <ionus> :((
[06:17] <phyerboss> thats another issue...see, im still new to all this and have no clue how to install things outside of adept
[06:18] <stevethepirate> the do the same for the other partition
[06:18] <ionus> where
[06:18] <ionus> wait
[06:18] <stevethepirate> that error message that you read when "sudo mount -a" ing
[06:18] <stevethepirate> cheers
[06:18] <Jucato> phyerboss: well, you don't really have to install Flash and Java outside adept
[06:18] <stevethepirate> bbl
[06:18] <enzo_> Jucato: What is the command for phigh?
[06:18] <enzo_> Jucato: I only want to change the video driver
[06:18] <Jucato> phyerboss: first of all... 32-bit or 64-bit computer?
[06:19] <Yorokobi> phyerboss, sudo apt-get install synaptic then never go back to adept again :)
[06:19] <ionus> i can write in it
[06:19] <phyerboss> 32
[06:19] <stevethepirate> then you are god
[06:19] <Jucato> !fixres | enzo_
[06:19] <ubotu> enzo_: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:19] <stevethepirate> *good
[06:19] <stevethepirate> then doe the same for the other partition
[06:19] <Jucato> enzo_: er um... :)
[06:19] <phyerboss> hahaha
[06:19] <phyerboss> adept that bad?
[06:19] <Jucato> enzo_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:19] <Jucato> phyerboss: no. it should work actually
[06:19] <phyerboss> i used synaptic when I was trying other distros
[06:19] <wolferine> what apps are used to check/repair filesystems?
[06:20] <Jucato> Yorokobi: you should give Adept in feisty another look
[06:20] <Jucato> phyerboss: next question: did you add/enable the multiverse repository?
[06:20] <Yorokobi> I am an old-school Debian user. I prefer dselect over everything else
[06:20] <ionus> tell again for another partitions
[06:20] <ionus> please
[06:21] <Jucato> !xconfig | enzo_
[06:21] <ubotu> enzo_: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[06:21] <Jucato> enzo_: there! got the right factoid :)
[06:21] <phyerboss> hmm...I have main restricted, universe, multiverse & backport
[06:21] <Jucato> hm.. ok.. were you able to find and install flashplugin-nonfree?  (that's the package name)
[06:22] <ionus> aaaaaaaa im sick
[06:22] <ionus> yurii zdarova
[06:22] <ionus> govorit ctoto po ruskii
[06:23] <wolferine> ionus have you read the ubuntu guide online?
[06:23] <kuwanger> Well, I'm rather dumbstruck. :/
[06:23] <ionus> yes
[06:23] <wolferine> u will find everything you need in it
[06:23] <ionus> i do how there is write
[06:23] <ionus> no
[06:23] <kuwanger> Nothing seems obvious in /var/log for why there isn't an automatic switch at startup.
[06:23] <Jucato> phyerboss: hm.. ok.. were you able to find and install flashplugin-nonfree?  (that's the package name)
[06:23] <ionus> i find but it no work
[06:24] <ionus> i find but it no work
[06:24] <wolferine> if its not in there, its in the webboards
[06:24] <kuwanger> Oh well.  Guess I'll ask some other day.
[06:24] <ionus> i find but it no work
[06:24] <eagles0513875> anyone use dhcp3 before
[06:24] <ionus> eagles0513875
[06:24] <ionus> help me
[06:24] <ionus> ?
[06:25] <ionus> now
[06:25] <ionus> !!
[06:25] <eagles0513875> whats wrong
[06:25] <Jucato> !pastebin | phyerboss
[06:25] <ubotu> phyerboss: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:25] <ionus> write  in ntfs
[06:25] <ionus> ?
[06:25] <ionus> in cant write
[06:25] <eagles0513875> its still
[06:25] <_4strO> !ntfs | ionus
[06:25] <ubotu> ionus: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:25] <ionus> what
[06:26] <_4strO> !ntfs-3g | ionus
[06:26] <ubotu> ionus: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[06:26] <ionus> it  no worck
[06:26] <ionus> no work
[06:27] <illustrissim> ionus: do the partitions appear in /etc/fstab?
[06:28] <ionus> and
[06:28] <ionus> ?
[06:28] <ionus> i do that
[06:28] <ionus> ?
[06:28] <ionus> but no work
[06:28] <illustrissim> ok
[06:28] <Jucato> !enter
[06:28] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:28] <_4strO> lol
[06:28] <eagles0513875> i dunno ionus
[06:28] <ionus> ok
[06:28] <eagles0513875> ionus: what language do u speak
[06:29] <wolferine> ionus, you really need to do some reading about this
[06:29] <illustrissim> in /etc/fstab, is the filesystem designated as ntfs-3g?  or just ntfs?
[06:29] <ionus> romanian rusian english
[06:29] <ionus> ?
[06:29] <Jucato> !ru
[06:29] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[06:31] <wolferine> what apps are used to check/repair filesystems?
[06:31] <_4strO> fsck
[06:31] <_4strO> !fsck > wolferine
[06:32] <wolferine> that it?
[06:32] <illustrissim> for ext3?
[06:33] <wolferine> um, reiser actually
[06:33] <illustrissim> ah, i dunno about reister, sorry
[06:33] <ToHellWithGA> the new k3b theme/skin default looks pretty slick.  is that a k3b thing or an ubuntu artwork thing?
[06:33] <exobuzz> fsck.reiserfs :-)
[06:33] <wolferine> np
[06:34] <fuzzy_logic> why do i always have to configure vmware before it can start up?
[06:34] <ToHellWithGA> i might have to try the new kde instead of gnome if things keep looking that nice
[06:34] <wolferine> im having constant issues, so fsck at startup isnt helping much
[06:34] <crazy_penguin> Bye all!
[06:34] <fuzzy_logic> bye crazy_penguin
[06:34] <exobuzz> well. reiserfs isn't well known for its reliability.
[06:35] <atidem> hi!
[06:35] <Dasnipa`> exobuzz, neither is reisors police record
[06:35] <FringeJacket> hi ToHellWithGA
[06:36] <wolferine> ok, well dispite that fact, is there anything I can do to scan/repair it?
[06:37] <wolferine> and anything I can use to convert, w/p losing all the data?
[06:37] <exobuzz> Dasnipa`: *ouch*
[06:37] <exobuzz> Dasnipa`: :) He is innocent.. the seat fell out of  his car, th ejust happened to have an interest in those "books", its all just a coincidence!
[06:38] <fuzzy_logic> why do i always have to configure vmware before it can start up?
[06:38] <eean> fuzzy_logic: try doing just /etc/init.d/vmware start instead
[06:40] <ionus> thx for write in ntfs
[06:40] <ionus> !!!!!!
[06:40] <ionus> it is worc
[06:40] <ionus> it is work
[06:40] <ionus> victory
[06:40] <wolferine> lovely
[06:40] <illustrissim> good news
[06:41] <ionus> where i can see keyshortcuts
[06:41] <ionus> ?
[06:41] <ionus> on kubuntu
[06:41] <ionus> ?
[06:41] <wolferine> read the manual....
[06:41] <WaxyFresh> can i get some help geting sound to work in kubuntu?
[06:41] <WaxyFresh> no idea where to start
[06:42] <ionus> give link
[06:42] <ionus> ?
[06:42] <wolferine> hey waxy
[06:42] <ionus> please
[06:42] <wolferine> ionus google
[06:42] <WaxyFresh> wolferine: hi
[06:42] <ionus> :))
[06:42] <wolferine> waxy new install?
[06:42] <olopez> hi
[06:42] <WaxyFresh> wolferine: kinda,few days old,dapper
[06:43] <wolferine> ah, well, it should be setup, did you check the settings (mute, volume, etc) ?
[06:44] <WaxyFresh> brb
[06:45] <WaxyFresh> ERROR: Communication problem with kmix, it probably crashed.
[06:46] <olopez> in vim kubuntu in have problems with syntax on parameter on vimrc , i think that it is compiled without this option.
[06:46] <WaxyFresh> i tryed kmix and for some reason sudo kmix
[06:46] <eagles0513875> is there a command that i can run to get the mac addresses
[06:46] <WaxyFresh> ifconfig?
[06:46] <Jucato> olopez: Ubuntu/Kubuntu only installs vim-tiny by default. try to install vim-full for the full effects
[06:46] <WaxyFresh> eagles0513875: ifconfig maybe
[06:47] <olopez> Jucato: thanks ;)
[06:48] <WaxyFresh> anyone have a idea aboute this?: ERROR: Communication problem with kmix, it probably crashed.
[06:48] <olopez> wow Jucato it also install gvim !! :S , have a lot of dependences
[06:48] <Jucato> olopez: well, it is the "full" thing :)
[06:49] <olopez> i instal "vim" package it is with syntax highlighting
[06:50] <olopez> :D
[06:50] <bronze_0_1> just looked on kubuntu.org, but cant find the bitorrent for fiesty CD images.  Am I going blind? :)
[06:50] <bronze_0_1> OOPS - I mean Edgy Eft
[06:50] <Jucato> bronze_0_1: feisty is still beta
[06:50] <bronze_0_1> Jucato: right
[06:51] <bronze_0_1> I'm looking for the Edgy Eft Torrent (CD version)
[06:52] <Jucato> bronze_0_1: first choose a location, then when you are given choices, choose the "Other install options" link
[06:52] <bronze_0_1> Jucato: ah, thank you
[06:53] <wolferine> ok, so my system just crashed again
[06:53] <wolferine> if it switches from ttyl7 to ttyl9, is that a video issue?
[06:54] <ionus> !speed up
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speed up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <ionus> speed up the kubuntu
[06:56] <FringeJacket> ionus  still having problems?
[06:56] <Jucato> !pastebin | phyerboss
[06:56] <ubotu> phyerboss: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:57] <WaxyFresh> anyone have a idea aboute this?: ERROR: Communication problem with kmix, it probably crashed.i cant get my sound working at all
[06:57] <illustrissim> do you have the proper driver installed?
[06:58] <bronze_0_1> Jucato: rrrrrrrolling! thanks again.
[06:58] <Jucato> bronze_0_1: sure
[07:02] <WaxyFresh> any tricks to make kubuntu use less ram?
[07:03] <chijin> WaxyFresh: use kde software only
[07:03] <WaxyFresh> how do i uninstall all non kde?
[07:04] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: disable services, e.g. cups, bluetooth
[07:04] <WaxyFresh> whats the service manager called?
[07:04] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: quit all applications you don't need that sit in system tray
[07:05] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: kmenu>system services>advanced
[07:05] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: what for you need free ram?
[07:06] <WaxyFresh> im just at 90+ usage on ram/cpu and things go REAL slow.its an old box
[07:06] <WaxyFresh> i dont have system services on my menu
[07:06] <stevethepirate> whats the command to change screen resolution?
[07:07] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: did you go to advanced?
[07:07] <stevethepirate> or how do i change it?
[07:07] <stevethepirate> clear
[07:07] <WaxyFresh> i dont have an advanced
[07:07] <stevethepirate> anyone?
[07:07] <WaxyFresh> i think i messed up on my install
[07:07] <kristjan_> there is utility called krandrtray in kde tha let's you change reso
[07:07] <stevethepirate> ta
[07:08] <WaxyFresh> stevethepirate: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver or something like that,sorry not much help\
[07:08] <stevethepirate> much better
[07:08] <stevethepirate> WaxyFresh: its fine.. this krandtray works 100's
[07:08] <AZNSLD> Hey all
[07:09] <stevethepirate> anyone know how i would add a battlenet server through wine for war3?
[07:09] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: are you sure you do not have it? http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3871/snapshot3ui4.png
[07:09] <kristjan_> try #wine maybe? :)
[07:09] <stevethepirate> its got a whopping 4 people in it..
[07:09] <stevethepirate> i lie.. 3
[07:10] <kristjan_> stevethepirate: I was 4th for a few secs
[07:10] <nixternal> #winhq
[07:10] <nixternal> they have a dev channel and a support channel, so I don't know off hand which one to hit
[07:11] <kubuntureign> ?
[07:11] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: quite sure,i had to install all kinds of stuff on my own from konverstion to adapt!but i looked and i dont havve system setting on my menu,what package is it in?
[07:11] <stevethepirate> kristjan_: :lol
[07:11] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: i started with a frsh install of ubuntu server edition then added kubuntu-desktop then upgraded to dapper
[07:11] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: strange, what happens if you run "kcontrol"?
[07:12] <WaxyFresh> got it
[07:12] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: ah, upgrade...
[07:13] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: It may sound controversial, but I don't believe in upgrades. I always do clean install and use separate /home partition
[07:13] <WaxyFresh> i dont have a cd burner
[07:13] <WaxyFresh> if there was a way i could do it without a cd copy of it i would
[07:13] <AC3> Hallo, is it possible to get console output from digikam 8.2?
[07:14] <WaxyFresh> my laptop just broke so i had to build a new computer form old parts
[07:14] <chijin> WaxyFresh: how much ram do you have?
[07:14] <WaxyFresh> not sure
[07:14] <WaxyFresh> whats the command?
[07:15] <chijin> run top
[07:15] <eagles0513875> need to edit the the apt source list where do i edit them
[07:15] <ninHer> or Ctrl+Esc
[07:15] <chijin> WaxyFresh: 'top' in konsole. there's a total amount for mem
[07:15] <chijin> i have 1024 megs or ram and 1023 of that is in use. that's how linux works though, so there nothing to be worried about
[07:16] <chijin> i've ran kubuntu with 192 megs of ram and it was ok
[07:16] <WaxyFresh> Mem:    158940k total,   147784k used,    11156k free,     2348k buffers
[07:16] <WaxyFresh> Swap:   188408k total,    64860k used,   123548k free,    55484k cached
[07:16] <kristjan_> or dmesg | grep MEM
[07:17] <WaxyFresh> i got kcontrol open but cant find the servies part,mine loks diffent form your by the way
[07:18] <WaxyFresh> nm got it
[07:19] <anti_pop> can someone please help me: michael@BlackboX:~$ amarokapp
[07:19] <anti_pop> amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:19] <aaroncampbell> Can Kubuntu handle rpms?  I know it's not their package system, but is it possible?
[07:19] <wolferine> can I change reiser into ext3 w/o losing data?
[07:19] <Yorokobi> !alien | aaroncampbell
[07:19] <ubotu> aaroncampbell: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:20] <WaxyFresh> aaroncampbell: i thiink it can but its dangourus
[07:20] <stevethepirate> okay.. i just downloaded openarena.. how would i install it?
[07:20] <stevethepirate> i just unzipped it into a directory...
[07:20] <kristjan_> stevethepirate: wgat is openarena?
[07:20] <wolferine> read the README?
[07:20] <stevethepirate> did.. nothing about installing it
[07:21] <stevethepirate> its the opensource version of quake3
[07:21] <stevethepirate> oem@noxville:~/openarena$ ls
[07:21] <stevethepirate> baseoa   CREDITS         ioquake3.i386        ioquake3.x86_64  README
[07:21] <stevethepirate> CHANGES  ioq3ded.i386    ioquake3-smp.i386    LINUXNOTES       source
[07:21] <stevethepirate> COPYING  ioq3ded.x86_64  ioquake3-smp.x86_64  oa060.tar.gz
[07:22] <anti_pop> openarena is in the repos no need to install it manually
[07:22] <stevethepirate> okay.
[07:22] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: kded: home base url notifyer/media manager/remote base url notifyer/system base url notifyer  media notifyer daemon kde write deamon kde internet deamon
[07:22] <stevethepirate> the "sudo apt-get instal openarena" should work?
[07:22] <stevethepirate> *then
[07:22] <stevethepirate> ???
[07:22] <anti_pop> dunno what the package is called, search synaptic or your packet manager for it
[07:22] <stevethepirate> howto?
[07:23] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: what is that list?
[07:23] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: which can i remove?
[07:23] <anti_pop> youre right: sudo apt-get install openarena
[07:23] <stevethepirate> anti_pop: how do i search repos?
[07:23] <anti_pop> will work
[07:23] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: the list of  startup sevices
[07:23] <aaroncampbell> Thanks Yorokobi and WaxyFresh ...so when you get a .deb file, how do you actually install it?
[07:23] <stevethepirate> E: Couldn't find package openarena
[07:23] <WaxyFresh> !dpkg
[07:23] <anti_pop> enable multiverse or whatever
[07:23] <Yorokobi> aaroncampbell, sudo dpkg -i <package>
[07:23] <anti_pop> !multiverse
[07:23] <stevethepirate> it is enamped
[07:24] <stevethepirate> *it is enabled
[07:24] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[07:24] <anti_pop> no idea, its in my repos
[07:24] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:24] <Yorokobi> anti_pop, it is not in the standard repos
[07:24] <anti_pop> its in multi- or universe
[07:24] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: didn't you say you don't have "system services" available in kcontrol?
[07:24] <stevethepirate> well.. should i just edit my sources list to add yours? then apt-get it?
[07:25] <anti_pop> wait, steve
[07:25] <stevethepirate> anti_pop: this is for edgy right?
[07:25] <anti_pop> im on feisty, sorry
[07:25] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: i thohgt i didiint have kcontrol but i did it just wasent on the menu
[07:25] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: it looks difrent from yours
[07:26] <stevethepirate> anti_pop: i downloaded the file off the website..
[07:26] <stevethepirate> its a tarball
[07:26] <stevethepirate> i unzipped it
[07:27] <stevethepirate> now what should i do to install it?
[07:27] <jhutchins> !build | steve
[07:27] <ubotu> steve: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:27] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: so you have it in kcontrol but not in "kubuntu kcontrol version"?
[07:27] <anti_pop> steve, its only in feisty, universe
[07:27] <anti_pop> check readme files on that archive
[07:27] <anti_pop> i gotta go
[07:27] <jhutchins> stevethepirate: What package is this?
[07:28] <stevethepirate> openarena?
[07:28] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: kcontrol isnt on my menu i had to open it with the run comand,
[07:28] <kubuntureign> u could create a shortcut for kcontrol
[07:30] <stevethepirate> jhutchins: any ideas on how to install?
[07:30] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: just to make things sure that we talk about same thing - does it look something like this? http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3723/snapshot4st8.png
[07:30] <WaxyFresh> kubuntureign: i use the terminal alot,i can just type kcontrol from there
[07:31] <wolferine> can I change reiser into ext3 w/o losing data? LAST TIME I AM ASKING
[07:32] <eagles0513875> there is nothing in my /etc/apt/source.list
[07:32] <slestak> wolferine: i would create the ext3, copy the data while booted to a livecd, then delete the resier.  thats the safest way.
[07:32] <wolferine> thats not what I asked
[07:32] <slestak> well, i would say no, there is not a way.
[07:32] <wolferine> thank you
[07:33] <jhutchins> !find openarena
[07:33] <ubotu> Package/file openarena does not exist in edgy
[07:34] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: evrythings the same but i dont have system services i have service manager under kde componates
[07:35] <jhutchins> stevethepirate: You could try using the package from feisty - download the .deb file and use dpackage to install it, or you could try using a debian .deb if one exists.  You can also check the openarena web site and see if they provide a .deb package (check sourceforge or freshmeat).  Installing from source is the last option you want to try, and you can follow the web page above on how to do that.
[07:35] <stevethepirate> i have the tarball already..
[07:35] <stevethepirate> i unzipped it and got this.
[07:36] <stevethepirate> oem@noxville:~/openarena$ ls
[07:36] <stevethepirate> baseoa   CREDITS         ioquake3.i386        ioquake3.x86_64  README
[07:36] <stevethepirate> CHANGES  ioq3ded.i386    ioquake3-smp.i386    LINUXNOTES       source
[07:36] <stevethepirate> COPYING  ioq3ded.x86_64  ioquake3-smp.x86_64  oa060.tar.gz
[07:36] <kristjan_> !pastebin
[07:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:36] <stevethepirate> kristjan_: sorry.. should only have been the last 3 lines..
[07:36] <jhutchins> stevethepirate: Installing from the tarball means you are working outside of the package management sysetm; you have no information about dependencies or the availability of the package to other programs, you may not be able to uninstall it, and it may install things in the wrong directories.
[07:36] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: do you have services like "bluetooth", etc.?
[07:36] <mart81> is there a w32codecs repo for feisty?
[07:36] <ninHer> amaral
[07:37] <ninHer> nice nick
[07:37] <stevethepirate> jhutchins: what do you recommennd then?
[07:37] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: no
[07:37] <kristjan_> mart81: where is one simple way to manually install them
[07:37] <jhutchins> mart81: Dunno, check #ubuntu+1 for feisty.
[07:37] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: post the screenshot of your "system services"
[07:37] <jhutchins> stevethepirate: You could try using the package from feisty - download the .deb file and use dpackage to install it, or you could try using a debian .deb if one exists.  You can also check the openarena web site and see if they provide a .deb package (check sourceforge or freshmeat).  Installing from source is the last option you want to try, and you can follow the web page above on how to do that.
[07:38] <aaroncampbell> I can't seem to get my headphone mic working in skype (not sure how else to test in kubuntu).  However, my usb mic works fine.  My headphone mic is plugged directly into the mic jac in my motherboard
[07:38] <jhutchins> !build | stevethepirate
[07:38] <ubotu> stevethepirate: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:38] <paolo> ciao
[07:38] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: where?
[07:38] <jhutchins> aaroncampbell: Make sure the mic input is on in your mixer.
[07:38] <jhutchins> paolo: ciao
[07:39] <DrX> mornin, all.  i was wondering if dd images would have a problem being restored to a different drive (someone said it's a bit image copy & that if the replacement drive has a bad sector you're hosed)?
[07:39] <jhutchins> !it | paolo
[07:39] <ubotu> paolo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:39] <kristjan_> mart81: dl this ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/unix/X11/multimedia/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20061022.tar.bz2 and copy the contents to /usr/lib/win32 and you are done
[07:39] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: how do i take a screen shot ?
[07:39] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: I *just* saw kmix...
[07:44] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: http://imageshack.us/ is good place to upload screens. you take screens with kmenu>graphics>ksnapshot
[07:44] <mart81> thanks kristjan_
[07:44] <jhutchins> kristjan_: Of course that means it's not in the apt database, and other packages that depend on it won't know it's installed, and he won't have all the symlinks to it that the package would give him.
[07:44] <kristjan_> jhutchins: with mplayer he won't have a problem. xine will play also
[07:44] <jhutchins> kristjan_: Pluggins often look in the other directories.
[07:44] <Jucato> kristjan_: PrintScreen also works (to launch ksnapshot)
[07:44] <kristjan_> jhutchins: don't know about totem, but every other movie player I have used (kmplayer, xine, kaffeine, vlc, mplayer) play fine with codecs all in one place - /usr/lib/win32
[07:44] <kristjan_> jhutchins: same applies to their mozilla plugins
[07:44] <jhutchins> kristjan_: Why not install it with apt?
[07:44] <aaroncampbell> How can I test my mic without skype?
[07:44] <aaroncampbell> Then, once I get it working, I'll test with skype
[07:44] <jhutchins> aaroncampbell: Should be able to capture it to speakers/headset.
[07:45] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: how?
[07:45] <kristjan_> jhutchins: you could if you want, infact ubuntu wiki does give you links to win32 debs IIRC
[07:45] <jhutchins> aaroncampbell: Enable the mic capture/record in kmix. If the speakers/headset are on you should hear it.
[07:46] <jhutchins> kristjan_: Yup.
[07:46] <jhutchins> kristjan_: I like to encourage people to stay within the system if possible, especially if they're new to ubuntu.
[07:46] <jhutchins> aaroncampbell: Make sure you're jacked into mic in, not line in.
[07:47] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: definitely mic in
[07:47] <NSCAD_Nathan> how can I figure out where my USB Palmpilot is mounting?
[07:48] <NSCAD_Nathan> KPilot isn't finding it... it does on my home machine no problem
[07:48] <stevethepirate> umount --help
[07:48] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: look in /var/log/messages
[07:48] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins: is there a howto or anything?  I'm really not even seeing how to tell for sure that I'm getting it set right in kmix
[07:49] <wolferine> where is a good FTP to get the .isos?
[07:49] <aaroncampbell> I looks like green light means on, red light means recording?
[07:49] <jhutchins> aaroncampbell: There's this:
[07:49] <jhutchins> !sound
[07:49] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:49] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[07:49] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:49] <kristjan_> wolferine: what isos?
[07:49] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: will you be on for w hile?
[07:50] <slestak> NSCAD_Nathan: lsusb -v may help also
[07:50] <wolferine> kubuntu
[07:50] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[07:50] <WaxyFresh> kristjan_: i gotta go for an hour or so
[07:50] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[07:50] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:50] <wolferine> kristjan_, kubuntu
[07:50] <kristjan_> WaxyFresh: not sure. anyway I doubt I can be helpful with apt problems. I just a linux noob like you ;)
[07:51] <NSCAD_Nathan> so /var/log/message shows me "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5" when I enable it
[07:51] <jhutchins> !download | wolferine
[07:51] <ubotu> wolferine: Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[07:51] <wolferine> i asked for an FTP
[07:51] <kristjan_> wolferine: I guess mirror in your country would be fastest
[07:51] <wolferine> an FTP site
[07:51] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: Does it tell you what device it is?  like /dev/sda
[07:52] <wolferine> !ftp | channel
[07:52] <ubotu> channel: FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[07:52] <wolferine> lol
[07:52] <kristjan_> wolferine: where do you live?
[07:52] <NSCAD_Nathan> jhutchins - no, just that, and " usb 4-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice"
[07:52] <jhutchins> wolferine: I think the mirrors list has FTP mirrors.  If not, just try ftp at the same hosts, it's usually enabled.
[07:52] <NSCAD_Nathan> whatever #1 means
[07:52] <wolferine> ah
[07:52] <wolferine> right
[07:53] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: try dmesg
[07:53] <NSCAD_Nathan> jhutchins - same two messages
[07:53] <kristjan_> wolferine: jhutchins is absolutely right, same mirror often provides both, http and ftp
[07:54] <stevethepirate> bye ppl .. bbl
[07:54] <stevethepirate> exit
[07:55] <JuJuBee> Can someone assist me with squid/dansguardian/iptables ?  I have squid & dg installed.  On the machine I installed squid/dg, I will run a web server and it will also be my fileserver for my class.
[07:55] <BluesKaj> hmm , trying to enable pcm digital output on my soundcard ...anything I should know about alsa settings ... I have PCM enabled but it's not appearing on the digital out ... it works ok in windows BTW ...any suggestions or ideas ?
[07:55] <JuJuBee> I have read many articles on iptables and am more confuse than when I started.
[07:55] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: Here's what mine shows for a storage device (dmesg): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12986/
[07:55] <JuJuBee> I want a transparent proxy.
[07:55] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: Do you see how I can tell that it's going to be /dev/sda?
[07:56] <wolferine> ok, can someone explain to me why the iso is 40k, and can be dled in a browser (clicking a link), but in FTP it just shows as, what appears to be a link?
[07:56] <NSCAD_Nathan> jhutchins - line 25?
[07:56] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: Also all the ones beginning wth "sda:".
[07:57] <jhutchins> wolferine: Probably because it's a link.
[07:57] <slestak> JuJuBee: i dont know iptables, but it may be worth looking at an app like Guraddog to get a kde interface to manage yuor firewall.
[07:57] <fuzzy_logic> wolferine: what iso?
[07:58] <wolferine> so how would I access the .iso via FTP?
[07:58] <wolferine> execute it?
[07:58] <NSCAD_Nathan> jhutchins - right... but my dmesg doesn't show anything like that... unless uhci_hcd is something.  It only has those two lines when I plug it in.
[07:58] <coreymon77> guys
[07:58] <jhutchins> JuJuBee: I've never worked with dansguardian or squid, but this is a good tutorial on firewalls:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[07:59] <NSCAD_Nathan> I wonder why it works fine at home, no troubles at all, on the same version of kubuntu...
[07:59] <wolferine> fuzzy_logic, kubuntu.iso
[07:59] <coreymon77> how do i check how much space i have left on my partition
[08:00] <ubuntu> !modem
[08:00] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[08:00] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: try running dmesg again.
[08:00] <jhutchins> coreymon77: df -h
[08:01] <wolferine> jhutchins,   so how would I access the .iso via FTP?
[08:01] <jhutchins> ftp <site>, get <pathtofile>, or cd <path>, get <file>
[08:01] <slestak> wolferine: you must downlaod it to get it to your machine.
[08:01] <slestak> then you can burn it to a cd or dvd
[08:01] <wolferine> slestak, ?
[08:02] <slestak> !iso
[08:02] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[08:02] <Cara_WCAM_MSN> Here comes! - Here's comes the cum!
[08:02] <NSCAD_Nathan> jhutchins - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12987/  You can see the disconnect of the device, and then the reconnect
[08:02] <wolferine> jhutchins, but when I do a getfile, its only the link I am getting
[08:02] <wolferine> slestak, you walked into a longer conversation
[08:03] <NSCAD_Nathan> jhutchins - you should change your nick to wikijhutchins :)
[08:03] <wolferine> wow
[08:03] <wolferine> nm
[08:04] <jhutchins> wolferine: got it?
[08:04] <wolferine> apparently
[08:04] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: Looks like either you don't have scsi support enabled, or the pilot's not being recognized as a storage device.
[08:08] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Palm_sync_dapper http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Palm_sync_dapper http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Palm_sync_dapper
[08:08] <coreymon> darn internet
[08:08] <coreymon> anyways
[08:08] <jhutchins> NSCAD_Nathan: See if one of those helps.  I don't have a pilot, so I'm afraid I'm out of ideas.
[08:08] <stevethepirate> hello
[08:08] <stevethepirate> again
[08:08] <stevethepirate> okay.
[08:09] <stevethepirate> if i've got the openarena .deb.. how do i install that so that it ensures dependancies, etc....
[08:09] <jhutchins> stevethepirate: Great! dpkg -i <pathto.deb>
[08:10] <coreymon> does anyone know how to check how much space i have lef ton my drive
[08:10] <coreymon> or the usage %
[08:10] <jhutchins> coreymon: df -h
[08:11] <embrapa> someone can help me ?
[08:11] <jhutchins> coreymon: Did you not get that the first time?
[08:11] <fuzzy_logic> embrapa what is your question?
[08:12] <coreymon> jhutchins: what do you mean?
[08:12] <coreymon> jhutchins: get what?
[08:12] <embrapa> fuzzy_logic: when i run a program....it dont apears on "panel" near clock
[08:13] <jhutchins> coreymon: df -h is how you check disk usage.
[08:13] <aaroncampbell> Does anyone here use skype with kubuntu?
[08:13] <NSCAD_Nathan> thanks jhutchins
[08:13] <fuzzy_logic> embrapa: you mean like in your taskbar? or in the tray?
[08:13] <fuzzy_logic> aaroncampbell: have used it
[08:13] <embrapa> fuzzy_logic: yes..
[08:13] <fuzzy_logic> embrapa: what? i gave you 2 possabilities
[08:14] <aaroncampbell> It seems that it activates and uses "Front Mic" rather than just "Mic" (watching in kmix), but I don't know how to (or if I can) attach my mic to "Front"
[08:14] <embrapa> fuzzy_logic: in the tray
[08:14] <aaroncampbell> While my motherboard has the capabilities, I don't have any audio connections in the front of my case to connect it to
[08:15] <slestak> embrapa: what app are you running?
[08:15] <fuzzy_logic> embrapa: some applications don't put an icon in the tray.. just like in windows
[08:16] <Alonea> allo
[08:16] <embrapa> fuzzy_logic: but i think i dinsconfigured...it appeas...konsole....amarok..now i have to press alt+tab to show me the programs open
[08:17] <embrapa> slestak: what means app ?
[08:17] <fuzzy_logic> embrapa: i really have to go now.. sorry can't help you further..
[08:17] <fuzzy_logic> app means application
[08:17] <fuzzy_logic> application means program :)
[08:17] <fuzzy_logic> bye
[08:17] <embrapa> fuzzy_logic: ok thank
[08:17] <embrapa> any aplication
[08:18] <coreymon_> sorry bout that
[08:18] <slestak> embrapa: hmm, that is strange.
[08:18] <coreymon_> hi guys, how can i check what is taking all of the spacee on my drive
[08:18] <embrapa> slestak: i waas modifing the icons on taskbar...
[08:18] <coreymon_> i normally dont have space problems
[08:19] <embrapa> slestak: deleting....some icons...
[08:19] <slestak> embrapa: I think what yo may have done is removed the taskbar from your panel.
[08:19] <slestak> the taskbar has ~1" icons for each running app on your screen
[08:20] <slestak> embrapa: where the sysytem tray has single icons for some apps.
[08:20] <slestak> embrapa: if you look to the left of each section in the panel, you will see a cross-hatched "handle" for each panel section.
[08:20] <slestak> embrapa: verify that you have both a taskbar and system tray
[08:21] <embrapa> ok
[08:22] <adrian__> hey im new can someone help me quickly?^
[08:22] <embrapa> slestak: =[[
[08:22] <stefo_> hi
[08:22] <rrs> Hi!! I'm using kubuntu Feisty 7.04
[08:22] <stefo_> bye:)
[08:22] <stefo_> hi
[08:22] <stefo_> i'm
[08:22] <jxn> adrian_: just ask
[08:22] <rrs> I have a frustrating problem.
[08:23] <stefo_> using
[08:23] <adrian__> k
[08:23] <stefo_> what
[08:23] <rrs> Network Manager is enabled. But I am using static configuration for my wireless card at home.
[08:23] <adrian__> my problem is: i want to start my adept but i get this error:the APT Datebase could not be opened+
[08:24] <rrs> So I switch NM to offline mode and ask it to specifically connect to a static ip address.
[08:24] <rrs> Now, I can use FireFox and KSIRC to connect.
[08:24] <Alonea> adrian__: have you updated or messed with the sources.list?
[08:24] <rrs> But, Konqueror/Kontact don't work.
[08:24] <stefo_> i don't know how to help you
[08:24] <jxn> adrian_: weird.
[08:24] <stefo_> i don't know how to help you
[08:24] <stefo_> :(
[08:24] <rrs> Nor do most KDE applications.
[08:24] <rrs> Any ideas/help ??
[08:25] <jhutchins> coreymon: You can also point konqueror to system:/media/, right click on a partition, and get Properties.
[08:25] <Yorokobi> rrs, they don't start or they can't reach anything on the Internet?
[08:25] <rrs> Could not connect to host http://www.google.com/.
[08:25] <rrs> That's what Konqueror says.
[08:25] <rrs> Kontact keeps silent.
[08:25] <Yorokobi> rrs, do you have a global proxy enabled
[08:25] <rrs> But it doesn't connect to the internet to download mails.
[08:26] <rrs> No, I'm not using any proxy.
[08:26] <jhutchins> !adeptfix | adrian__
[08:26] <ubotu> adrian__: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:27] <rrs> I'm not sure if my connectivity problem is an IPV6 problem or something else.
[08:27] <jhutchins> rrs: Did you configure the DNS?
[08:27] <rrs> Yes, I did.
[08:27] <rrs> DNS is perfect.
[08:27] <rrs> dig resolved properly.
[08:27] <Yorokobi> rrs, what I mean is is one *enabled* not is one being used
[08:27] <rrs> And so did Firefox and ksirc.
[08:28] <jhutchins> !ipv6 | rrs
[08:28] <Yorokobi> Firefox won't use the KDE global proxy settings, whereas Konqueror does
[08:28] <ubotu> rrs: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[08:28] <Yorokobi> Disabling IPv6 won't change anything, methinks
[08:28] <rrs> Yorokobi: I know. Please. I've checked and it says, "Connect to internet directly"
[08:28] <jhutchins> Yorokobi: Yeah, sounds like you have a better idea what's going on.
[08:28] <rrs> That's what even I think.
[08:29] <rrs> IPv6 shouldn't be the problem.
[08:29] <rrs> I feel this has something to do with the new feature introduced with Feisty of applications being disconnected when the network is off.
[08:29] <rrs> I heard that for Ubuntu. Not sure if it is in kubunut or not.
[08:30] <Yorokobi> rrs, so your K->System Settings->Network Settings->Proxy is set to Connect ... directly?
[08:30] <rrs> Yes.
[08:30] <Yorokobi> K, I wanted to make sure that potential problem was out of the way :)
[08:31] <rrs> Are you guys aware if Kubuntu also uses the same feature being advertised for ubuntu ?
[08:31] <rrs> (Of applications not polling the network when it is down)
[08:31] <stefo> hey rrs
[08:31] <stefo> there
[08:31] <stefo> is
[08:31] <stefo> wireless
[08:31] <stefo> utility
[08:31] <stefo> maybe
[08:31] <stefo> it
[08:31] <stefo> will
[08:31] <stefo> help
[08:31] <stefo> you
[08:32] <rrs> and
[08:32] <rrs> what
[08:32] <rrs> wireless
[08:32] <rrs> utility
[08:32] <rrs> is
[08:32] <rrs> that?
[08:32] <stefo> it
[08:32] <stefo> is
[08:32] <Yorokobi> stefo, perhaps you should use "staccato" as a nick :D
[08:32] <stefo> in internet>wireless assistant
[08:32] <jhutchins> !enter | stefo, rrs
[08:32] <ubotu> stefo, rrs: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:32] <tuxum> Anybody help me with the command: cat programs.dat |dpkg --set-selections
[08:33] <rrs> iwconfig gives me proper output.
[08:33] <rrs> I can connect to my router. The problem is only with KDE applications.
[08:33] <Yorokobi> rrs, and sudo ifconfig gives you the correct IP/Subnet/GW/etc ?
[08:33] <rrs> Yes. I say that again because if that was wrong, I wouldn't have been chatting with you right now.
[08:34] <Yorokobi> True enough, I'll try not to belabor that (or proxies) anymore
[08:34] <jhutchins> rrs: Since it's a feisty "feature", you may find more help in #ubuntu+1
[08:34] <rrs> Oh!!! Wrong channel !!!
[08:34] <rrs> Sorry, I recently turned from Debian (+5yrs) to Kubuntu.
[08:34] <rrs> I'll check there.
[08:35] <jhutchins> They cover all flavors of feisty.
[08:35] <rrs> BTW, if you guys can provide any help, that'd be good.
[08:35] <jhutchins> This feature sounds like a lousy idea.  "We know better than you what you want, you don't need to be able to control your networking."
[08:35] <jhutchins> Microsoft Thinking.
[08:36] <wolferine> how do I burn an ISO, can I use gnomebaker?
[08:37] <Yorokobi> wolferine, k3b
[08:37] <wolferine> im not using kde
[08:37] <Yorokobi> heh, wrong channel, wolferine :)
[08:37] <wolferine> +b in ubuntu
[08:37] <wolferine> ONLY channel
[08:37] <PupenoR> Do you know of a program to write test procedures for human beings to carry on and write down the results?
[08:38] <jhutchins> wolferine: Were you bad?
[08:38] <wolferine> +b != good
[08:38] <jhutchins> PupenoR: You might look at the edubuntu packages (they'll work on kubuntu).
[08:39] <PupenoR> jhutchins: what?
[08:39] <jhutchins> wolferine: Use cdrecord
[08:39] <Yorokobi> wolferine, or switch to KDE
[08:39] <PupenoR> jhutchins: I don't want to test humans, I want to help human test software and help humans report to me how my software is doing on the tests.
[08:39] <wolferine> im burning the kubuntu ISO :?)
[08:40] <Yorokobi> Why don't you just install the KDE packages from the repos?
[08:40] <wolferine> PupenoR, cvs + webboard
[08:40] <jhutchins> !equivalents
[08:40] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[08:42] <salat> orhei
[08:43] <eilker> !monodevelop
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monodevelop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <wolferine> jhutchins, u write the bot yourself?
[08:43] <eilker> !mono > eilker
[08:50] <jhutchins> wolferine: Nope.
[08:50] <tuxx> hello
[08:50] <jxn> hi tuxx
[08:50] <jhutchins> wolferine: It's a pretty good one though.
[08:50] <tuxx> my old nick got stuck somewhere
[08:51] <tuxx> strange
[08:51] <wolferine> i agree
[08:51] <wolferine> take a day or two just to get the triggers down
[08:54] <bruja8> hi guys,
[08:54] <tuxx> hi bruja8
[08:55] <jxn> hello bruja8
[08:55] <wolferine> can I just upgrade to kubuntu from in 6.10 ubuntu?
[08:55] <tuxx> wolferine: that's verry easy
[08:55] <Yorokobi> wolferine, yes
[08:55] <wolferine> or is it better to just format?
[08:55] <bruja8> i am trying to install a windows driver tru ndiswrapper, but it says that the driver is not 32-bit
[08:55] <tuxx> wolferine: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:55] <wolferine> nah
[08:55] <jxn> damn, tuxx was faster than me. :
[08:56] <wolferine> was getting the BETA
[08:56] <tuxx> :p
[08:56] <tuxx> more experienced in upgrading from ubuntu 6.10 to kubuntu
[08:56] <tuxx> :p
[08:56] <jxn> heh
[08:56] <tuxx> did that a lot
[08:57] <tuxx> then i figured out that it would be easier to burn a kubuntu CD
[08:57] <bruja8> can anyone help me with ndiswrapper
[08:57] <tuxx> i was to lazy to download
[08:57] <wolferine> ok
[08:57] <wolferine> time to install
[08:57] <wolferine> bbiab
[08:57] <jxn> me too
[08:58] <bruja8> can someone tell me where ii can find a 32bit broadcom driver?
[08:58] <ahlalo_elyon> Does anyone use or know of a good video cataloging application?  The one's I've used from the repos are pretty poor...
[08:59] <jxn> bruja8: broadcom is included in kernel 2.6.20
[08:59] <Yorokobi> bruja8, http://www.opendrivers.com/company/21031/broadcom-free-driver-download.html
[09:00] <Yorokobi> bruja8, are you using 6.10 or 7.04 ?
[09:01] <bruja8> i am using 6.06
[09:01] <bruja8> because 6.10 won't load the right firmware
[09:02] <Yorokobi> bruja8, in that case, you're outta luck with the 2.6.20 kernel unless you plan on rolling your own
[09:02] <bruja8> i read somewhere that i can download the firmware, without having to use the fw-cutter
[09:03] <bruja8> do you know where i can download the firmware
[09:05] <Yorokobi> bruja8, pardon my ignorance but why do you need the firmware?
[09:05] <bruja8> because kernel 2.6.20 comes only with the driver and not the firmware
[09:05] <bruja8> so the wl card is recognised but not functionable
[09:06] <Dekans> hello
[09:06] <Yorokobi> bruja8, okay ... but why do you need the firmware? Are you planning on changing the firmware version then?
[09:06] <Dekans> does someone use kopete with jingle support on kubuntu ?
[09:06] <bruja8> no,
[09:08] <bruja8> just load it in /lib/firmware
[09:09] <dhq> will kde4 be with fawn
[09:10] <DrX>  besides dd and dd_rescue, what's a good way to backup a non-mountable block device without having to worry about differing bad blocks on different drives?
[09:10] <dhq> !fawn
[09:10] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[09:10] <xett> no. as far as i know kde4 will be released after feisty.
[09:11] <astronaute> hi guys :) can someone tell me if there is a channel for Adobe Flex 2.0 somewhere on the freenode or maybe other irc server please ?
[09:11] <pirothezero> is there a list of files some where of files I need to backup if I want to make a clean install ? mostly the conf files I have for everything
[09:11] <Lynoure> bruja8: What card do you have again? 2200BG or something else?
[09:12] <Lynoure> oh, duh :(
[09:12] <dhq> !kde4
[09:12] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[09:14] <MinceR> !away > Yorokobi
[09:18] <mastermanx> hey guys
[09:18] <mastermanx> so when i do the adept manger
[09:19] <fuzzy_logic> hi
[09:19] <mastermanx> thing i have to right click and install everything
[09:19] <Dekans> does someone use kopete with jingle support on kubuntu ? please
[09:19] <mastermanx> does any one know anything about adept manager
[09:20] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: why do you use adept manager? i always found synaptic better
[09:20] <MinceR> adept manager is slow
[09:20] <mastermanx> yeah
[09:20] <mastermanx> when i right click eveything
[09:20] <mastermanx> it looks like it freezes
[09:21] <mastermanx> cuz everything says not installed
[09:21] <Dekans> MinceR: yes but adept allows quick searches
[09:21] <fuzzy_logic> why don't you use synaptic?
[09:21] <MinceR> which aren't quick either ;)
[09:21] <mastermanx> who me
[09:21] <fuzzy_logic> yes
[09:21] <mastermanx> whats that
[09:21] <mastermanx> isnt adept better
[09:22] <fuzzy_logic> synaptic package manager is the standard graphical interface for apt-get
[09:22] <fuzzy_logic> no.. not at all
[09:22] <fuzzy_logic> adept is old and slow
[09:22] <mastermanx> o ok where do i get it then
[09:22] <fuzzy_logic> it is included in (k)ubuntu by default
[09:22] <fuzzy_logic> at least in edgy eft
[09:22] <mastermanx> ok do u know where i can go to click it/
[09:22] <fuzzy_logic> wich version do you have?
[09:22] <mastermanx> where is it located
[09:23] <illustrissim> mastermanx: you can use adept to install synaptic
[09:23] <fuzzy_logic> ehh.. in kde? just a sec..
[09:23] <wolferine> during the new install of kubuntu, I am hanging on the formatting
[09:23] <wolferine> is there a way to see "whats going on behind the scenes" ?
[09:23] <fuzzy_logic> illustrissim: it is included by default i think
[09:24] <wolferine> i really think my HD is hopped
[09:24] <wolferine> hooped
[09:24] <mastermanx> i got edgy
[09:24] <mastermanx> yeah
[09:24] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: System > Synaptic Package Manager
[09:24] <wolferine> is there a way to setup verbose?
[09:24] <fuzzy_logic> but i'm not sure.. haven't used kde for a wile
[09:24] <mastermanx> hmm im trying to find it
[09:24] <dhq> is kde4 beta out
[09:24] <wolferine> im using the alternative CD
[09:25] <mastermanx> ok the adept manger
[09:25] <mastermanx> i see it so i right click and install
[09:25] <mastermanx> ?
[09:26] <fuzzy_logic> well.. i would say so.. but i would say you alrady have it installed
[09:26] <wolferine> wow
[09:26] <wolferine> memtest is givingme back 1000+errors
[09:26] <mastermanx> ok then i apply changes
[09:26] <mastermanx> now whatt
[09:26] <wolferine> itsbeen my  RAM all this time :/
[09:27] <fuzzy_logic> before installing, mastermanx, try to type in your terminal sudo synaptic
[09:27] <fuzzy_logic> then enter, then your password if you're asked for that
[09:27] <mastermanx> where that at
[09:27] <illustrissim> the terminal should be under system > konsole
[09:28] <fuzzy_logic> it's called konsole in kde
[09:28] <mastermanx> commmand not found
[09:28] <illustrissim> master manx: just type sudo apt-get install synaptic into the terminal
[09:28] <fuzzy_logic> yes.. that is also possible :)
[09:29] <illustrissim> that will install synaptic, then it should be under the system menu
[09:29] <mastermanx> it said
[09:29] <mastermanx> some erros
[09:29] <mastermanx> before i got to it
[09:29] <mastermanx> but it open up
[09:29] <illustrissim> sorry, my fault mastermanx
[09:29] <illustrissim> if you have adept open, you cant use apt-get, becuase the process is locked up
[09:30] <DrX> I'm getting frequent "timeout while copying, retry?" messages when copying to a WIndows XP Pro file share from OpenSUSE 10.2 -- is this because I'm using SMB://<ip> ?
[09:30] <fuzzy_logic> ye just wanted to say that :)
[09:30] <caina> apt-get install gnome
[09:30] <fuzzy_logic> caina: what?
[09:30] <caina> hi !
[09:30] <mastermanx> it said start without adminstartive privivlges
[09:31] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: close adept, then run the suggested command, then it will work
[09:31] <caina> type su -
[09:31] <fuzzy_logic> you have to do this: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:31] <mastermanx> u will not be able to apply any changes but u can still export the marked changes or create a download script of them
[09:31] <mastermanx> i did
[09:31] <mastermanx> it said synaptic is already the newest veriosn
[09:31] <fuzzy_logic> did you type your admin pwd?
[09:31] <mastermanx> it didint let me
[09:31] <fuzzy_logic> copy that plz
[09:32] <fuzzy_logic> copy the msg u got
[09:32] <caina> apt-get install automatix2
[09:32] <LjL> !automatix
[09:32] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:33] <mastermanx> so what i do
[09:33] <mastermanx> in the konsole
[09:33] <mastermanx> u type what
[09:33] <mastermanx> synaptic
[09:33] <fuzzy_logic> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:33] <fuzzy_logic> what do you get after typing that?
[09:34] <FatC> fornwall: Why are people in #fedora so full of hate?
[09:35] <mastermanx> fuzzy u thier
[09:35] <fuzzy_logic> oh.. shit! mastermanx.. do you have gnome installed?
[09:35] <mastermanx> no
[09:35] <mastermanx> lol
[09:35] <mastermanx> idk
[09:36] <fornwall> FatC: you try waiting for "yum search .." once, and then we can speak about hate :)
[09:36] <mastermanx> i just dled this off the site
[09:36] <mastermanx> and shit and installed it
[09:36] <mastermanx> lol
[09:36] <illustrissim> mastermanx: if apt-get said that you already have the newest version installed, then it should be under the system menu
[09:36] <fuzzy_logic> well then synaptic won't run on your system.. its only for gnome
[09:36] <fuzzy_logic> synaptic is gnome-only app
[09:37] <mastermanx> well yeah its gnome
[09:37] <mastermanx> i thinkm
[09:37] <mastermanx> it ran i jut need to
[09:37] <mastermanx> put my password in it
[09:37] <illustrissim> yes
[09:37] <phyerboss> is it really?...pclinux is on kde but used synaptic
[09:37] <phyerboss> so is does mepis
[09:37] <fuzzy_logic> well.. i think so
[09:37] <illustrissim> you can run synaptic on kubuntu, but sometimes its slow to open, i think
[09:38] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: did it install?
[09:38] <mastermanx> yup
[09:38] <mastermanx> thier u go i see i
[09:38] <mastermanx> hold
[09:38] <mastermanx> i ove
[09:38] <mastermanx> nix
[09:38] <mastermanx> ii love i love u guys
[09:39] <fuzzy_logic> we love u too mastermanx :)
[09:39] <fuzzy_logic> did you find it now in the menu?
[09:39] <pirothezero> whats the xbuntu chan?
[09:39] <caina> someone know what is xoo ?
[09:39] <phyerboss> anyone have an idea how to get rid of a stubborn compiz?
[09:39] <phyerboss> i cant unistall it=\
[09:40] <fuzzy_logic> pirothezero: it's xubuntu, not xbuntu.. so the channel is #xubuntu
[09:40] <mastermanx> i just installed
[09:40] <mastermanx> asm
[09:40] <mastermanx> hhee
[09:40] <mastermanx>  love this
[09:40] <ibrahim> hi friends
[09:40] <fuzzy_logic> hello
[09:40] <pirothezero> indeed typo on my part didn't occur to me to do that with the ubuntu+1 type stuff lol
[09:40] <topsy> hi
[09:40] <mastermanx> what u guys use for browser
[09:40] <ibrahim> i didnt install messenger  ( yahoo messemger)
[09:41] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: i use firefox
[09:41] <BluesKaj> hmm , trying to enable pcm digital output on my soundcard ...anything I should know about alsa settings ... I have PCM enabled but it's not appearing on the digital out ... it works ok in windows BTW ...any suggestions or ideas ?
[09:41] <phyerboss> fire fox or konquror if you'r using kubuntu
[09:41] <fuzzy_logic> for years.. really great browser
[09:41] <ibrahim> linux version
[09:41] <mastermanx> yeah i use it to
[09:41] <mastermanx> firefox wont instal
[09:41] <mastermanx> im new to sintall this
[09:42] <fuzzy_logic> it should alrady be installed.. or am i talking crap now?
[09:42] <fuzzy_logic> try via the kde menu Internet > Firefox
[09:42] <illustrissim> unfortunately, fuzzy_logic, its not installed by default in kubuntu
[09:42] <mastermanx> i download it
[09:42] <mastermanx> and stuff
[09:42] <Daisuke_Ido> konqueror doesn't suck though
[09:42] <mastermanx> but couldn install
[09:42] <phyerboss> which i found sad...but konquror aint bad at all
[09:43] <Daisuke_Ido> i have a complaint with firefox.  menu bar.  nuff said
[09:43] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: why not? what kind of error did you get?
[09:43] <Daisuke_Ido> mastermanx: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:43] <mastermanx> hold
[09:43] <mastermanx> am i using
[09:43] <mastermanx> adept
[09:44] <mastermanx> or that new one i got synp
[09:44] <Daisuke_Ido> neither
[09:44] <Daisuke_Ido> a terminal
[09:44] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[09:44] <Daisuke_Ido> both are good gui apt frontends
[09:44] <Daisuke_Ido> but this is quicker
[09:44] <mastermanx> how do
[09:44] <mastermanx> i make the command
[09:44] <mastermanx> to install
[09:44] <mastermanx> all
[09:44] <mastermanx> ehhee
[09:44] <Daisuke_Ido> hit alt-f2
[09:45] <mastermanx> ok it says
[09:45] <mastermanx> run command
[09:45] <mastermanx> right
[09:45] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:45] <fuzzy_logic> then type apt-get install firefox
[09:45] <fuzzy_logic> oh forgot sudo lol
[09:45] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[09:45] <mastermanx> now what
[09:45] <mastermanx> how do i install everything and enable it all
[09:45] <BluesKaj> too many cooks again
[09:45] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't want to install *everything*
[09:46] <mastermanx> o
[09:46] <fuzzy_logic> hahaha :D
[09:46] <Daisuke_Ido> you likely don't have the hard drive space :)
[09:46] <fuzzy_logic> i think it just installes by itself right?
[09:46] <fuzzy_logic> so the only thing you have to do is wait
[09:46] <Daisuke_Ido> FF, yeah
[09:46] <mastermanx> i got 200gb
[09:46] <mastermanx> man
[09:46] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't have the hd space.
[09:46] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[09:47] <ishmeet> hi
[09:47] <fuzzy_logic> hi
[09:47] <mastermanx> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:47] <mastermanx> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:47] <mastermanx> thas what it said
[09:47] <Daisuke_Ido> you forgot sudo
[09:47] <fuzzy_logic> sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:47] <mastermanx> so how do i type it all for fox
[09:48] <fuzzy_logic> just like i said: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:48] <phyerboss> it'll download & install it
[09:48] <phyerboss> all withthat 1 command
[09:48] <fuzzy_logic> yes
[09:48] <K`zan> Is there some way to get the apps I have installed on edgy to load up under feisty (other than manually) :-)?
[09:48] <mastermanx> im right that down
[09:49] <mastermanx> nice and it insytall the new one
[09:49] <mastermanx> nice
[09:49] <fuzzy_logic> K`zan: just upgrade?
[09:49] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: yes
[09:49] <K`zan> fuzzy_logic: Leery about that and I already have feisty (7.04) installed.
[09:49] <mastermanx> it did by self
[09:49] <mastermanx> hehe
[09:49] <K`zan> fuzzy_logic: On a different partition...
[09:50] <mastermanx> how do i update amsn
[09:50] <mastermanx> then
[09:50] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: did it work? do you see firefox in Intenret
[09:50] <mastermanx> ya
[09:50] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: hit alt+f2 and type this: apt-get update
[09:50] <fuzzy_logic> then it will update all applications you installed with synaptic/apt-get
[09:51] <DrX> I'm getting frequent "timeout while copying, retry?" messages when copying to a WIndows XP Pro file share from OpenSUSE 10.2 -- is this because I'm using SMB://<ip> ?
[09:51] <fuzzy_logic> K`zan: can you reach your other partition where you have the previous kubuntu installation?
[09:51] <mastermanx> i did
[09:51] <mastermanx> now what
[09:51] <mastermanx> nothing happen
[09:51] <Daisuke_Ido> update just updates the package lists
[09:52] <Daisuke_Ido> mastermanx: sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:52] <mastermanx> it keeps saying amsn
[09:52] <mastermanx> new verison
[09:53] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: when you run amsn?
[09:53] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, if you just want to do your upgrades, use adept or synaptic to mark all upgradable packages and do it from there
[09:53] <fuzzy_logic> it could be that apt-get still doesn't offer the new version
[09:53] <fuzzy_logic> in that case i would wait till it does
[09:54] <K`zan> fuzzy_logic: yes I can.
[09:54] <mastermanx> yes
[09:54] <fuzzy_logic> K`zan: just a sec
[09:54] <fuzzy_logic> did you do what Daisuke_Ido suggested?
[09:54] <K`zan> fuzzy_logic: rr standing by, thanks much!
[09:55] <mastermanx> hey daisuke
[09:56] <mastermanx> or fuzzy
[09:56] <fuzzy_logic> K`zan: i would say just copy the map where the apps are stored?
[09:56] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: what?
[09:56] <allblacks> i need help i have just downloaded the Kubuntu from internet i have installed and i tried to make an update and a window pops up with a user called kdesu adep_manager and is asking for a passwd and i don not know the pass how can i pass it
[09:57] <illustrissim> allblacks: it's the same as your user password
[09:57] <fuzzy_logic> allblacks: you can't pass it :) it's a required thing
[09:57] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: how is it going?
[09:57] <mastermanx> it says i need to update
[09:57] <mastermanx> amsn
[09:57] <DrX> can i use compare file.bz2 smb://192.168.1.1/Share/file.bz2 to ensure they are the same?
[09:58] <mastermanx> do i need t download that thing
[09:58] <fuzzy_logic> you can do that.. but i would not recommend
[09:58] <mastermanx> what should i do
[09:58] <mastermanx> then
[09:58] <fuzzy_logic> just try to update it with synaptic like daisuke suggested
[09:58] <mastermanx> ok
[09:58] <ishmeet> how can i uninstall open office 2.0 and install open office 2.2
[09:58] <mastermanx> i love doing commands
[09:58] <K`zan> fuzzy_logic: No idea what that is, but I'll see what I can find out.  Thanks.
[09:59] <myles> hi
[09:59] <fuzzy_logic> K`zan: don't know that too, im quite new to linux.. but a google search will do it i think
[09:59] <fuzzy_logic> hi
[09:59] <mastermanx> im likeing this bettter
[09:59] <mastermanx> then windows fuzzy
[09:59] <UltimaDude> hi
[09:59] <UltimaDude> I'm having a problem installing Gnome
[10:00] <UltimaDude> When it finnishes downloading I Get a conigure j2re1.4
[10:00] <UltimaDude> configure*
[10:00] <fuzzy_logic> ishmeet: it's not recommended to upgrade until you can do it with apt-get or synaptic
[10:00] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: yes, hehe.. me too
[10:00] <ishmeet> hmm
[10:00] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: welcome to the linux-world :)
[10:00] <mastermanx> i might just
[10:00] <mastermanx> use gaim
[10:00] <UltimaDude> I no longer use Windows :)
[10:00] <mastermanx> really ulimate
[10:01] <UltimaDude> yes
[10:01] <UltimaDude> I couldn't resize my partition
[10:01] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: yes.. i use gaim too
[10:01] <ishmeet> thx
[10:01] <UltimaDude> Anyway when i'm done with my Gnome download
[10:01] <ishmeet> it is not apt-get or symantic
[10:01] <ishmeet> :(
[10:01] <UltimaDude> I Just get a COnfiguring j2re1.4
[10:01] <UltimaDude> And I can't click anything
[10:01] <UltimaDude> Just scroll down
[10:01] <UltimaDude> And it says accept and there is no accept
[10:02] <fuzzy_logic> i know.. 2.2 just came out.. so i wouldn't upgrade just yet
[10:02] <fuzzy_logic> with what are you downloading gnome?
[10:02] <UltimaDude> me?
[10:02] <UltimaDude> Konsol
[10:02] <UltimaDude> Konsole
[10:02] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: with apt-get?
[10:02] <UltimaDude> yes
[10:03] <UltimaDude>   Configuring j2re1.4 
[10:03] <UltimaDude>                                                                             
[10:03] <UltimaDude>   pursuant to the terms of this Agreement.  Source code may not be          
[10:03] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: what command do you use?
[10:03] <UltimaDude>   redistributed unless expressly provided for in this Agreement.            
[10:03] <UltimaDude> Thats what I Get
[10:03] <fuzzy_logic> ah :) hehe
[10:03] <mastermanx> fuzzy can u pm me plz
[10:03] <UltimaDude> I Put sudo aptitude update.
[10:03] <UltimaDude> I mean
[10:03] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: press PgDn a couple of times till you come to the end
[10:03] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | UltimaDude
[10:03] <ubotu> UltimaDude: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:03] <ishmeet> thx fuzzy
[10:04] <fuzzy_logic> ishmeet: no probs
[10:04] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: with what?
[10:04] <K`zan> fuzzy_logic: Found something but it doesn't work yet: dpkg --get-selections | grep --v deinstall > ubuntu-files
[10:04] <mastermanx> just pm me
[10:04] <mastermanx> wanted to know ur aim name
[10:04] <fuzzy_logic> K`zan: i'm not familliar with that command, sorry :(
[10:05] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: i don't use aim
[10:05] <fuzzy_logic> i have msn
[10:05] <UltimaDude> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13004/
[10:05] <K`zan> fuzzy_logic: Got it - one "-" in the grep: dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > ubuntu-files
[10:05] <UltimaDude> Done
[10:05] <K`zan> fuzzy_logic: gives you a list of installed apps!  Thank!
[10:05] <K`zan> Thanks!
[10:05] <UltimaDude> Is there another way to get Gnome?
[10:05] <fuzzy_logic> K`zan: no probs
[10:06] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: press PageDown a few times
[10:06] <fuzzy_logic> does anything change on that screen?
[10:06] <mastermanx> did u get that pm fuzzy
[10:06] <mastermanx> where did u dl gaim from
[10:06] <mastermanx> the site or adept
[10:06] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: yes
[10:06] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: it was just installed with a fresh installation
[10:07] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: you can install gaim by pressing alt f2 and then type: sudo apt-get install gaim
[10:08] <txwikinger> Anybody know how one can get the option for language selection switched on with kdm ?
[10:08] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: I just get a OK that I can't agree to
[10:08] <mastermanx> love u man
[10:08] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: did u succeed?
[10:08] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: haha
[10:08] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: no.
[10:09] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: are you able to accept it? or not?
[10:09] <fuzzy_logic> try to type y and then enter
[10:09] <UltimaDude> Fuzzy_logic: I can't accept it
[10:10] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: I Have no option to
[10:10] <illustrissim> UltimaDude, try using the arrow keys to put the focus onto the OK
[10:10] <fuzzy_logic> copy the screen you have now please UltimaDude
[10:10] <UltimaDude> It doesn't work
[10:10] <fuzzy_logic> on the site pzl
[10:11] <UltimaDude> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13005/
[10:11] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: press enter
[10:11] <ahlalo_elyon> Could someone suggest a good video cataloging program?
[10:12] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: it does nothing
[10:12] <mastermanx> when i download stuff from irc
[10:12] <mastermanx> where does all the stuff go to what folder
[10:12] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: what irc client do you use?
[10:13] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: and space?
[10:13] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: doesn't work either
[10:13] <fuzzy_logic> ahlalo_elyon: don't have a direct answer to your question.. but what is video catalogging?
[10:13] <illustrissim> UltimaDude, use the arrow keys, press the right or down (i dont remember which) to make the OK red
[10:14] <illustrissim> then enter should work
[10:14] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: you can't go any further than that with the page down??
[10:14] <UltimaDude> illustrissim: it worked!
[10:14] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: did you get my question? what irc client do you use?
[10:14] <mastermanx> its 1.50
[10:14] <mastermanx> i think of gaim
[10:14] <mastermanx> fuzzy
[10:15] <mastermanx> i use
[10:15] <mastermanx> konversation
[10:15] <illustrissim> ultimadude, alot of the proprietary stuff (google earth, etc) uses that same screen for their eula
[10:15] <mastermanx> sorry was in bathroom
[10:16] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: don't know that program.. try to go trough the preferences of konversation and see if you can configure somewhere a download folder
[10:16] <UltimaDude> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:16] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: you have more of those windows open?
[10:17] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: no.
[10:17] <mastermanx> should i always unpack things or no
[10:17] <illustrissim> UltimaDude: are you running synaptic or adept/adept upgrade?
[10:17] <mastermanx> when i do like install an stuff
[10:17] <mastermanx> and stuff
[10:18] <mastermanx> im using the program konversation
[10:18] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: no.
[10:18] <zett> me too
[10:18] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: you don't have any other terminal/konsole windows open?
[10:18] <aaroncampbell> What do people use to listen to/watch podcasts?
[10:18] <UltimaDude> nope
[10:19] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: what are you trying to do?
[10:19] <UltimaDude> I've closed down everything
[10:19] <UltimaDude> I did have one running before
[10:19] <fuzzy_logic> aaroncampbell: rythmbox
[10:20] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: i would suggest that you log out and in again.. because maybe that window has left a process behind or so
[10:20] <aaroncampbell> fuzzy_logic: where do I get that?
[10:20] <UltimaDude> I Updated
[10:20] <UltimaDude> Now its having to redownload
[10:20] <UltimaDude> Can I ask something?
[10:20] <UltimaDude> I downloaded the Linux version of MUGEN
[10:21] <fuzzy_logic> aaroncampbell: press alt f2 and type: sudo apt-get install rythmbox
[10:21] <UltimaDude> and when I extract it I Just get folder's and a EXE
[10:21] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: you sure you downloaded the right file?
[10:21] <aaroncampbell> fuzzy_logic: weird, I was using adept, and I searched "ryth" and got nothing
[10:21] <mastermanx> i got
[10:21] <UltimaDude> I typed inb
[10:21] <UltimaDude> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[10:21] <mastermanx> thx fycxtz
[10:22] <fuzzy_logic> don't use aptitude
[10:22] <fuzzy_logic> if you want to install, always use apt-get
[10:22] <dfoer> I have a menubar at athe top of my screen. I'm not sure how I got it there, but I don't know how to get it off
[10:23] <mastermanx> fuzy
[10:23] <mastermanx> what ur aim name
[10:23] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: shit, i made a mistake.. you can't get rythmbox with apt-get
[10:23] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: Rythmbox?
[10:23] <fuzzy_logic> try to see if you have it already installed.. go to the kde menu and then Sound > Rythmbox
[10:24] <fuzzy_logic> UltimaDude: yes
[10:24] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx: i don't have aim
[10:24] <UltimaDude> fuzzy_logic: you're talking to the wrong person xD
[10:24] <mastermanx> msn?
[10:24] <mastermanx> cuz u said u got gaim
[10:24] <UltimaDude> Yahoo?
[10:24] <fuzzy_logic> i already gave you in the private chat
[10:24] <fuzzy_logic> hi Yorokobi
[10:24] <mastermanx> i dont see
[10:24] <mastermanx> it fuzzy
[10:25] <Yorokobi> Hello, fuzzy_logic
[10:25] <mastermanx> pm me again
[10:25] <mastermanx> i just register
[10:25] <mastermanx> so i can accept pms
[10:26] <fuzzy_logic> i send u an private message
[10:26] <mastermanx> its  not poping up
[10:26] <mastermanx> let me restart server hold
[10:26] <fuzzy_logic> no wait
[10:26] <fuzzy_logic> lol
[10:26] <qsu> anybody playing vegastrike
[10:26] <mastermanx> ok
[10:26] <dfoer_> hello
[10:26] <mastermanx> im message y bnow
[10:26] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx my msn is msn@djordjeweb.nl
[10:26] <mastermanx> fuzzy
[10:26] <fuzzy_logic> hi
[10:27] <fuzzy_logic> mastermanx u got my message?
[10:27] <dfoer_> I messed around with my settings recently, and now I have a menu bar at teh top of my screen
[10:27] <dfoer_> I'm not sure how to remove it
[10:28] <dfoer_> can you help?
[10:28] <illustrissim> dfoer: i'm trying to remember where the setting is, i know its in system settings
[10:28] <dfoer_> I'll open that up and look
[10:28] <fuzzy_logic> dfoer_: right click the panel and click remove panel
[10:29] <jhutchins> dfoer_: You can click-and-drag to move it.
[10:29] <Yorokobi> ah, but is it a panel bar or a Mac-style menu bar ?
[10:30] <dfoer_> It's not a panel. It's like a menubar. it has File Sessions New Bookmarks Desktop Windows Help
[10:30] <fuzzy_logic> cya
[10:30] <Yorokobi> ciao, fuzzy_logic
[10:30] <jhutchins> dfoer_: Or right-click the desktop, Configure, Behavior, Menu Bar at Top of Screen.
[10:30] <dfoer_> bye fuzzy_logic
[10:30] <jhutchins> ...think I'll go do some more work on the bike...
[10:31] <blackdevil> hi guys
[10:31] <illustrissim> dfoer: jhutchins is right, thats how you fix it
[10:31] <dfoer_> Awwight!
[10:31] <dfoer_> Thank you jhutchins
[10:32] <markelhas> hi
[10:32] <dfoer_> hello
[10:32] <markelhas> need some help with my network any one!? hi packet loss from my box to router
[10:32] <Slasher> hi
[10:32] <dfoer_> Thanks guys!
[10:32] <markelhas> *i've
[10:33] <markelhas> 20 packets transmitted, 11 received, 45% packet loss, time 19065ms
[10:33] <markelhas> i've disable my other network card, but the problem stell there
[10:33] <aaroncampbell> How do people here watch podcasts?
[10:34] <aaroncampbell> iTunes with something like crossover office?
[10:34] <robin_____> hi
[10:34] <markelhas> how can i solve this problem? i've tested with diferent acble and the same result
[10:34] <N6REJ> afternoon all
[10:34] <markelhas> if  aping from my laptop over wifi or cable it's everithyng ok
[10:35] <markelhas> the problem is on this box
[10:35] <robin_____> I have finally get my RL2500 (ralink) wifi working on 7.04(kubuntu) I can use adept, and ping (for instance google.com) but Konqueror won't connect to the internet.
[10:35] <markelhas> any thing!?
[10:35] <illustrissim> sorry markelhas
[10:35] <robin_____> Because somehow, the timezone was setup wrongly, I have now all kinds of files with timestamp in the future, and sudo is complaining about that.
[10:35] <robin_____> I hope someone is able to help me ;-)
[10:35] <markelhas> illustrissim: nothing! :(
[10:36] <robin_____> maybe the second thing is causing the problems with konqueror, but I don't know.
[10:36] <illustrissim> markelhas, maybe see if there's a driver available for the card you're using
[10:36] <Daisuke_Ido> grr
[10:37] <Daisuke_Ido> gnomeboyadvance doesn't work.  kvba doesn't work.  and vbaexpress is painful to use :(
[10:37] <markelhas> illustrissim: a driver,! is a on board
[10:37] <markelhas> from nvidia
[10:37] <N6REJ> I'm having a problem with my digital camera.  Digicam can't seem to find it.
[10:37] <markelhas> but no spesifc drivers for linux!
[10:37] <illustrissim> markelhas: ach, i dont know then
[10:37] <N6REJ> I'm not sure where to start.
[10:38] <markelhas> illustrissim: :( thkns any away
[10:38] <robin_____> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Mar 31 00:27:46 2007 <= How can i stop sudo for complaining about this (it's 30-03-2007 22:38 now here)
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Gents, I'm trying to enable pcm digital output on my soundcard (ATI)...anything I should know about alsa settings ... I have PCM enabled (I think), but it's not appearing on the digital out ... it works ok in windows BTW ...any suggestions or ideas ?
[10:45] <robin_____> aargh, nobody knows how to get sudo shut up about the timestap in the future thingy ?
[10:45] <robin_____> no I can't run any program with sudo :|
[10:46] <illustrissim> try sudo -K
[10:46] <illustrissim> that should remove the timestamp
[10:46] <robin_____> illustrissim: doesn't work, it says again:
[10:47] <robin_____> illustrissim: 66.249.93.104
[10:47] <robin_____> illustrissim: ehm wrong copy&paste
[10:47] <robin_____> illustrissim: timestamp too far in the future: Mar 31 00:27:46 2007
[10:48] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: you know anything about digicams with kubuntu?
[10:48] <Yorokobi> robin_____, http://my.opera.com/render/blog/show.dml/337121
[10:48] <robin_____> Yorokobi: hmm my konqueror doesn't work either that's my second problem, so I can't read the URL ;-|
[10:48] <Yorokobi> robin_____, one sec
[10:49] <robin_____> only adept and konversation work ..
[10:49] <robin_____> Yorokobi: ok
[10:49] <Yorokobi> 1. Check the timestamp sudo reports
[10:49] <N6REJ> !camera
[10:49] <Yorokobi> 2. Use Adjust Date & Time to set the date/time to the sudo timestamp or later.
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about camera - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:49] <Yorokobi> 3. Execute the 'sudo -k' command. (Clears the timestamp).
[10:49] <Yorokobi> 4. Use Adjust Date & Time to set the date/time back to the correct values.
[10:50] <Yorokobi> That should do it
[10:50] <robin_____> Yorokobi: ok thanks
[10:50] <SixFeetUnder> whats up everyone?
[10:50] <MinceR> vector 180 from the COM of the nearest gravity well
[10:50] <SixFeetUnder> jpiccolo?
[10:50] <SixFeetUnder> jeff?
[10:51] <wolferine> where do you dl k/ubuntu at again??
[10:51] <SixFeetUnder> ubuntu.com
[10:52] <jpiccolo> is there a way that i can find the address of a video card as in pci bus
[10:52] <robin_____> lspci
[10:52] <jpiccolo> so i can edit my xorg
[10:52] <robin_____> ?
[10:53] <Yorokobi> jpiccolo, robin_____ is correct. 'lspci | grep VGA'
[10:53] <mastermanx> yy
[10:53] <mastermanx2006> ok
[10:55] <Yorokobi> jpiccolo, if you're using an AGP card the BusID is usually "PCI:1:0:0"
[10:55] <illustrissim> goodnight all
[10:56] <eyez_> I have some porblems with my nvidia drivers, can some one help me out
[10:56] <robin_____> eyez_: I haven't installed them yet, so no sry
[10:57] <Yorokobi> robin_____, is you sudo issue fixed?
[10:57] <eyez_> robin_____:  > ok :) i just installed em, but looks like i can only run with 600*480
[10:57] <robin_____> Yorokobi: hmm no, because for some unknown reason I can't change my date either, but adept is still updating, I will try after a refresh reboot ;-)
[10:57] <Yorokobi> eyez_, what is your VGA chipset
[10:58] <eyez_> I used envy script
[10:58] <Yorokobi> !resolution | eyez_
[10:58] <ubotu> eyez_: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:59] <eyez_> Yorokobi: > thx for the link, gona read it now and se if will help me :D
[10:59] <pollyo> Anyone have mceusb remote setup on kubuntu?
[10:59] <Yorokobi> eyez_, you're welcome
[11:04] <Lynoure> my knetworkmanager does not show the channel used by the access points. What's the easiest way to see that info?
[11:04] <Lewix> where can I download kunbuntu fast
[11:04] <Lewix> and how do you pronounce it
[11:04] <dhq> how do i install kiba-dock
[11:05] <Lewix> "kubuntu"
[11:05] <Yorokobi> Lewix, www.kubuntu.org
[11:05] <Yorokobi> Lewix, bittorrent or jingdo are the typically fastest download methods
[11:05] <dhq> !Kiba-dock
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba-dock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <ubuntu> the installer crashes for me :(
[11:06] <mrigns> Lewix: kooboontoo
[11:06] <Lewix> Yorokobi: jingdo?
[11:06] <Lewix> mrigns: thanks
[11:07] <Yorokobi> er, jigdo ... I'd have to look
[11:07] <mrigns> jigdo jigsaw downloader
[11:07] <Lewix> you guys don't have a xdcc or something
[11:07] <RoyB72> I just removed my nvidia packages to check something, and now I can't log back in, just get to tty1.. can anyone help?
[11:08] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, is your X video driver set to nvidia or nv ?
[11:08] <ubuntu> Yorokobi: jingdo? what's that?
[11:08] <RoyB72> no idea.. I'm a noob.. 5 days nood
[11:08] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, a mis-spelling
[11:08] <Yorokobi> of jigdo
[11:09] <RoyB72> yorokobi, I got kubuntu edgy, with beryl, had installed nvidia-(glf or something) package
[11:10] <ubuntu> Yorokobi: ok
[11:10] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, okay. sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:11] <RoyB72> yorokobi, done
[11:11] <RoyB72> yorokobi, restart comp now?
[11:11] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, restart X and see what happens. But, before you do, did you change your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[11:12] <RoyB72> ehmm. not that I know of
[11:12] <Yorokobi> ... after removing the glx package?
[11:12] <Yorokobi> okay then, restart X
[11:12] <Yorokobi> ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:12] <mrigns> wont work in tty1
[11:12] <Irayo> How come my eth0, which I have told countless times is 192.168.0.21 in multiple configuration screens, keeps mysteriously switching back to 0.181 (the first DHCP IP available)?
[11:13] <Yorokobi> mrigns, true enough. Thanks
[11:13] <RoyB72> yorokobi, nothing happens
[11:13] <Yorokobi> Yeah, sorry RoyB72. sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:14] <jpiccolo> is there a way to install a nic in a laptop thats one of those card things
[11:14] <eyez_> Yorokobi:  > Thx for the help, got it working now.
[11:14] <jpiccolo> get it to work in linux
[11:14] <Yorokobi> eyez_, you're welcome
[11:15] <Yorokobi> jpiccolo, "one of those card things" ?? A PCMCIA card?
[11:16] <jpiccolo> yeah pcmcia card
[11:16] <Yorokobi> jpiccolo, if the kernel supports the card then you probably just need to plug it in, type 'sudo pccardctl insert' and let the magic happen
[11:17] <jpiccolo> ok
[11:17] <Yorokobi> but I could be speaking naively as I've not used an ethernet PCMCIA card before
[11:17] <RoyB72> yorokobi, nothing, just get the cursor
[11:17] <jpiccolo> using xubuntu
[11:17] <Yorokobi> jpiccolo, it should be the same regardless of which Ubuntu you have
[11:18] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, do you get the X cursor or the KDE cursor?
[11:19] <RoyB72> yorokobi, the usual text
[11:20] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log give you any hints?
[11:21] <RoyB72> yorokobi, how do I check that?
[11:21] <Daisuke_Ido> why won't VBA work!
[11:21] <FringeJacket> Daisuke_Ido whats wrong?
[11:21] <Daisuke_Ido> just frustrated with visualboyadvance
[11:21] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[11:21] <Daisuke_Ido> pre-feisty i had no issues
[11:21] <jpiccolo> yorokobi that didnt work
[11:22] <Daisuke_Ido> now it doesn't recognize input (any input)
[11:22] <jpiccolo> pccardctl insert
[11:22] <RoyB72> yorokobi, no such file or dir
[11:22] <Daisuke_Ido> and i know my gamepad's fine because it works great in fceu and zsnes
[11:22] <Yorokobi> jpiccolo, did you get a no such command error or did it not detect the card or ???
[11:23] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, 'ls /var/log | grep X'
[11:23] <jpiccolo> it didnt say anything
[11:23] <Yorokobi> jpiccolo, it usually doesn't. It should activate the card, though
[11:23] <jpiccolo> i only have lo when i do ifconfig
[11:23] <Yorokobi> jpiccolo, check your network settings in the System Settings to see if the adapter is listed there
[11:23] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo ifup eth0?
[11:24] <RoyB72> yorokobi, nothing hapened
[11:24] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, has X worked for you at all?
[11:24] <Yorokobi> There should be something in /var/log/ similar to Xorg.0.log
[11:24] <ari> hi !!!
[11:25] <N6REJ> guys, I told kde to use digikam to open files , how do I undo that?
[11:25] <N6REJ> i.e. I told kde to make digikam the default.
[11:25] <RoyB72> yorokobi, when I ls /var/log there is a file there called xorg.0.log and a lot of others
[11:26] <ari> i installed super tux and planet penguin race a couple of days ago and some images doesn't seem to load. is there a way to fix it !?!
[11:26] <Yorokobi> oh, so a lower-case X then.  Okay 'less /var/log/xorg.0.log' then :)
[11:26] <knubbe> is the edgy->feisty upgrade method mentioned in topic, very unstable?
[11:26] <jpiccolo> i dont see any kind of device manager
[11:26] <Yorokobi> knubbe, the one time I used it it worked flawlessly
[11:27] <RoyB72> yorokobi, no I wrote what u gave me earlier with uppercase then it came
[11:27] <Daisuke_Ido> N6REJ: in kcontrol (or system settings) there's an option for 'default applications'  don't know if that's what you want
[11:27] <N6REJ> maybe, it doesn't show digikam though :(
[11:27] <Daisuke_Ido> you just don't want it being the default for image files?
[11:27] <N6REJ> yeah
[11:28] <N6REJ> I'm having a problem with my camera, and they want me to see if it will open in konq and I can't because I told it to always use digikam LOL
[11:28] <knubbe> Yorokobi: ok, will give it a try. the installer on the beta-cd crashed on step 4.. I havent made a clean install since the beta of 5.10
[11:28] <Yorokobi> knubbe Woah!
[11:28] <Yorokobi> knubbe, which version are you using right now?
[11:29] <RoyB72> yorokobi, ouch... lots of stuff "does not exist" lots of fonts dirs
[11:29] <Daisuke_Ido> N6REJ: right click an image, go down to 'open with' and choose other
[11:29] <N6REJ> ok, great ty!
[11:29] <knubbe> Yorokobi: 6.10 / edgy
[11:29] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, fonts are no big deal. The lines with EE at the beginning are the ones to pay attention to
[11:29] <Daisuke_Ido> you can pick and choose from there, and make it default
[11:30] <Yorokobi> knubbe, okay. When you said 5.10 I figured you were using an old version.
[11:30] <knubbe> Yorokobi: but ive upgraded through apt all the time. im not sure thats very clever. lots of stuff arent working on this machine, that are bugs that are "fixed"
[11:30] <knubbe> Yorokobi: ah, no :-)
[11:31] <Daisuke_Ido> personally i use gwenview, though i have yet to find a replacement for acdsee that's as extensible and easy to use
[11:31] <ari> !fr
[11:31] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:31] <ari> !qc
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <RoyB72> yorokobi, Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! at the end
[11:32] <RoyB72> yorokobi: then Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[11:32] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, try 'sudo dpgk-reconfigure nvidia-glx' ... or purge it and reinstall ... you could be missing more than that package but I'm not sure
[11:33] <eeanm> texlive-pdfetex can't be installed... it has unmet deps in Feisty
[11:33] <Yorokobi> argh
[11:33] <eeanm> I'm trying to get epstopdf
[11:33] <Daisuke_Ido> RoyB72: did you just upgrade to feisty?
[11:33] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx
[11:33] <Yorokobi> I cannot spell today
[11:33] <RoyB72> yorokobi, how do I get out of this list, it's showing END
[11:34] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, q
[11:34] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: a kernel version mismatch that's going to require a new module be compiled?
[11:34] <Daisuke_Ido> i've had that twice since upgrading :\
[11:34] <RoyB72> yorokobi, done
[11:34] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido, twice in what?
[11:35] <Yorokobi> not a time period, but a file :)
[11:35] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:35] <RoyB72> yorokobi, the restart command now?
[11:35] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: this is a time period, each time the kernel was updated
[11:36] <ari> !can
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about can - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <ari> !ca
[11:36] <ubotu> Canadian Ubuntu users can be found in #ubuntu-ca
[11:36] <wolferine> !
[11:36] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido, I think the last time I saw something like that--and I presume you're referring to the nVidia/kernel interaction--was when I was building my own kernels and nvidia drivers from source.
[11:36] <simbuntu> hello
[11:37] <simbuntu> i need some help in "C"
[11:37] <RoyB72> yorokobi, no good.. :(
[11:38] <wolferine> Kernel package: 'linux-image-generic' <-- this gave me a system error during a new install of kubuntu7
[11:38] <wolferine> am I doing something wrong?
[11:38] <RoyB72> yorokobi, there's another package for nvidia, but I don't remember the name, maybe that's what's needed?
[11:38] <Yorokobi> Okay RoyB72 'grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf' does in say "nvidia" or "nv"
[11:39] <wolferine> error happened with apt-install
[11:39] <wolferine> was unable to fetch arcives
[11:39] <wolferine> so I have to edit my sites in a new install?
[11:39] <RoyB72> yorokobi, no such file or directory   ?
[11:39] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, I have nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common installed on my machine. Try 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kerner-common'
[11:39] <wolferine> oh wait
[11:39] <simbuntu> i want to use getch and included the file "curses.h", but if every time i want to compile my source i get the following error: getch.c:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `stdscr'
[11:40] <N6REJ> !fiesty
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[11:40] <wolferine> md5sum mismatch
[11:40] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, are you copying & pasting or typing what you see ?
[11:40] <RoyB72> yorokobi, typing.. working on 2 machines now
[11:40] <wolferine> so that means the CDr is a bad burn?
[11:40] <Yorokobi> simbuntu, getch() is part of stdio.h is it not?
[11:41] <simbuntu> Yorokobi: its not
[11:41] <simbuntu> Yorokobi: getchar is part of stdio.h
[11:42] <wolferine> hello?
[11:42] <wolferine> anyone
[11:42] <Yorokobi> simbuntu, okay. Its been years and years since I worked in C. I think getch/getchar was one of the functions I rewrote in ASM instead of using the ANSI C functions
[11:43] <Yorokobi> wolferine, did you add a non-standard repo recently?
[11:43] <Sanne> simbuntu: curses.h is in the package libncurses5-dev
[11:43] <RoyB72> yorokobi, done with nvidia-kernels...
[11:43] <wolferine> its a brand new install, im in the install atm
[11:43] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, try restarting again :)
[11:43] <simbuntu> Sanne: i installed the package, but it does not help
[11:44] <Sanne> simbuntu: then somehow it doesn't appear to find those headers when compiling.
[11:44] <wolferine> i am prompted with a list of three kernels
[11:44] <Yorokobi> wolferine, um ... maybe one of the packages was downloaded incorrectly and just needs to be downloaded again
[11:44] <RoyB72> wrote the grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf   with uppercase X11 came back driver "nvidia"
[11:45] <simbuntu> Sanne: is it possible that i have to use a different compiler than gcc?
[11:45] <wolferine> Yorokobi: this is occurring each time I try (5th try now)
[11:45] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, Yeah, Linux is case-sensitive
[11:45] <Yorokobi> wolferine, from a net or CD install ?
[11:45] <Sanne> simbuntu: I don't think so.
[11:45] <simbuntu> Sanne: I use the following comman dto compile the source: gcc file.c -o name
[11:45] <wolferine> CD
[11:45] <RoyB72> yorokobi, well... nothing again after the restart command
[11:46] <wolferine> i just bypassed the kernel install
[11:46] <wolferine> using the network to get it, I hope
[11:46] <Yorokobi> wolferine, you may need to re-burn the ISO or download it again and burn the newer ISO
[11:46] <Yorokobi> wolferine, or use the net :)
[11:46] <simbuntu> Sanne: I try to reinstall the package, maybe it will help
[11:46] <wolferine> the iso is coming at 1000+k
[11:46] <Sanne> simbuntu: I'm not too knowledgable with compiling, but yren't you supposed to tell the compiler where to find includes? Do you have the file /usr/include/curses.h?
[11:46] <wolferine> so ill just reburn if it doesnt work :)
[11:46] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, okay ... We can probably get you back in X but without the nVidia drivers
[11:46] <Sanne> simbuntu: ok
[11:47] <RoyB72> yorokobi... that's fine with me hehe
[11:47] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, are you familiar with vi/vim ?
[11:47] <RoyB72> noyorokobi, nope.. told u, I had kubuntu for 5 days
[11:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: pico, maybe?
[11:48] <RoyB72> yorokobi: nope
[11:48] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, okay, try 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[11:48] <Daisuke_Ido> as good
[11:48] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido, I don't use either nano or pico :D
[11:49] <Daisuke_Ido> easier for those daunted by vi(m), imo
[11:49] <Yorokobi> The more time I spend here the more I realize I've been using "old" tools. Old, but golden.
[11:49] <RoyB72> yorokobi, inside
[11:49] <simbuntu> Sanne: i have thisfile but not with the path "/usr/include/curses.h"
[11:49] <Daisuke_Ido> vi(m) is great, don't get me wrong, but a bit much for a lot of users
[11:49] <Sanne> simbuntu: where is it? It is supposed to be installed in /usr/include.
[11:50] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, okay. Find the line for Driver that has "nvidia" as the value and change "nvidia" to "nv"
[11:50] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, then save and quit
[11:50] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, and restart kdm again
[11:50] <Crashed> Hey, what's the command to display the time?
[11:50] <LightGun> hey
[11:50] <Daisuke_Ido> (save = ctrl-o, quit = ctrl-x)
[11:50] <LightGun> need your help
[11:51] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido, after I learned vim, I haven't used anything else
[11:51] <LightGun> how can I save my nvidia-settings, so that it loads every startup
[11:51] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido, thanks for the assist
[11:51] <Daisuke_Ido> no problem
[11:51] <Yorokobi> Crashed, from the command line/shell: date
[11:51] <RoyB72> yorokobi, daisuke_ido, thx.. was just about to ask ;)
[11:51] <simbuntu> Sanne: sorry you were write its located in /usr/include/.
[11:51] <Foloex> hello
[11:52] <LightGun> can somebody help me?
[11:52] <Sanne> simbuntu: ok, then try to add the following option to your compile command: -I "/usr/include"
[11:52] <Edulix> hi
[11:52] <Daisuke_Ido> LightGun: they should be saved automatically
[11:52] <aaroncampbell> can AmaroK play video podcasts as well as audio?
[11:52] <LightGun> no, they aren't
[11:52] <Daisuke_Ido> that's odd
[11:52] <LightGun> I have to set up everything again and again
[11:52] <Edulix> I have a VCD iso image, how to play? I can use either kaffeine or vlc
[11:52] <RoyB72> yorokobi, YAAAAAYYY inside... thx a LOT
[11:52] <aaroncampbell> The podcast is offered as Quicktime, Theora, WMV, and Xvid
[11:52] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia settings, or x server settings?
[11:52] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, you're welcome
[11:52] <LightGun> and the way it is mentioned on nvidia.com it doesn't work
[11:53] <LightGun> nvidia
[11:53] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[11:53] <LightGun> nvidia-settings
[11:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i've never had to play with mine, so i'm not sure
[11:53] <RoyB72> brb on linux machine
[11:53] <Foloex> is there a command in kubuntu to remove grub and put the windows boot loader instead. I can't use mbrfix, I lent the cd to a friend
[11:53] <SixFeetUnder> hey everyone
[11:53] <LightGun> I have the problem that the frequency is after reboot 60Hz and I always have to switch through nvidia-settings to 75Hz
[11:54] <LightGun> I use 9755
[11:54] <simbuntu> Sanne: this error message appears; the same like before getch.c:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `stdscr'
[11:54] <Yorokobi> LightGun, you can set the hsync/vsync values in the xorg.conf
[11:54] <LightGun> I have done this, it doesn't work anyways
[11:55] <Yorokobi> LightGun, LCD monitor?
[11:55] <LightGun> yes
[11:55] <LightGun> Samsung Syncmaster 931C
[11:55] <LightGun> I have created a modeline too
[11:56] <Sanne> simbuntu: hmmm, that is indeed weird. I think I have to refer you to other people more knowledgable than me, sorry.
[11:56] <Yorokobi> I don't remember the option but there's "something" that will enable auto detection of h/vsync for LCDs and newer CRTs in xorg.conf
[11:56] <LightGun> DMPS?
[11:56] <Yorokobi> LightGun, yes
[11:57] <simbuntu> Sanne: thanks a lot
[11:57] <RoyB72> yorokobi, can we fix the nvidia now?
[11:57] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be nice
[11:57] <Sanne> simbuntu: you're welcome, I hope you find out what's wrong.
[11:57] <LightGun> I need to save the nvidia-settings
[11:57] <chuck_tx> is there a way to get a more verbose boot up to see where it is locking up?
[11:57] <Daisuke_Ido> would love to have that.  it's setting my refresh at 54, when it should either be 60 or 75
[11:58] <Daisuke_Ido> chuck_tx: try alt+f1 during boot
[11:58] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, probably ... You may need to purge the nvidia-* packages and reinstall them. That has worked for me in the past.
[11:58] <LightGun> this problem I have too Daisuke_Ido
[11:58] <chuck_tx> this is the CD.  Will that work there?
[11:58] <LightGun> no; yorokobi, this is the way with the newer drivers from nvidia.com
[11:58] <RoyB72> yorokobi, so uninstall, and install?
[11:58] <simbuntu> Sanne: oh i found the problem if you are interested in the answer:  -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib -lncurses
[11:58] <Yorokobi> LightGun, does the nvidia-settings command have an option to load a specific config ?
[11:59] <Foloex> anyone knows how to remove grub and restore vista's boot loader from within kunbuntu 6.10 livecd
[11:59] <Daisuke_Ido> LightGun: i'm using the same ones, so i'll take a look at the xserver config
[11:59] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, more than uninstall: purge
[11:59] <LightGun> only with nvidia-glx it works flawlessly, but then, the videos in beryl are lagging around
[11:59] <Sanne> simbuntu: ahhh, I suspected it could be something with having to need to tell where the libs are also, I was just investigating :). Glad you found it, thanks for the followup.
[11:59] <Slasher> anyone know a good remote access program for kubuntu? the vnc thing that came with it crashed too much so i removed it lol
[12:00] <RoyB72> yorokobi, so I purge, then install without logging off?
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> LightGun: you feel safe editing xorg.conf?
[12:00] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, do you have synaptic or kynaptic installed by chance ? I don't want to do this with (in)adept
[12:00] <LightGun> Slasher, look at www.cspace.in
[12:00] <Yorokobi> Slasher, NX works pretty well
[12:00] <RoyB72> got synaptic, but already started in adept
[12:00] <Yorokobi> NX uses SSH tunnels and X11 forwarding. Secure, fast, easy
[12:01] <LightGun> @Daisuke, yes, I can edit it quite well
[12:01] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, quit out of adept
[12:01] <Slasher> do you have any tutorials?
[12:01] <Yorokobi> and start synaptic
[12:01] <Daisuke_Ido> LightGun: i'll be right back, going to see if this works.  if it does, i think we have it fixed
[12:01] <RoyB72> yorokobi, and enter synaptic?
[12:01] <premier_> hello, Im trying to install a tarball, but I wont install because I need a c++ compiler, so I go to apt-get and aptitude to install g++, but they both ask for the edgy CD. I dont have it. How can I force them to get the packages from repositories?
[12:01] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, yes
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> then again...
[12:02] <RoyB72> yorokobi, done
[12:02] <N6REJ> off to let the upgrade happen.
[12:02] <simbuntu> bye
[12:02] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, click the search button, type in "nvidia-" (w/o quotes) and change the drop-down to Names then click search
[12:03] <RoyB72> yorokobi.. done
[12:03] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, Right click the nvidia-* packages that have green boxes and choose Mark For Complete Removal
[12:03] <Yorokobi> Then click the Apply button
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> LightGun: are you using DVI?
[12:04] <RoyB72> yorokobi hmm.. it want to remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-generic
[12:04] <LightGun> yes, I use DVI
[12:05] <RoyB72> yorokobi, when I do that on nvidia-kernel-common
[12:05] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, hmmm for now, leave nvdidia-kernel-common
[12:05] <Yorokobi> Right-click and Unmark
[12:05] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, and hopefully you clicked cancel on the pop-up :)
[12:05] <RoyB72> yorokobi.. k, then it's just 2 packages, apply? (yes I did)
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that may be why it's not saving it, i just switched to 75hz in the nvidia settings
[12:06] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, yes
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's telling me i'm at 92hz in krandrtray
[12:06] <LightGun> no, it's something other
[12:06] <RoyB72> yorokobi, done
[12:06] <LightGun> I get the right resolution and frequency but after reboot it resets everything
[12:06] <LightGun> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/nvidia-settings-user-guide.txt
[12:07] <LightGun> the 4. point explains the thing, but it doesn't work for me
[12:07] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, okay, search for those packages again and right-click and Mark for Installation then Apply
[12:08] <Slasher> thanks by the way, im checking out cspace now
[12:08] <Daisuke_Ido> that's weird
[12:08] <LightGun> it's quite cool slasher
[12:08] <RoyB72> yorokobi, only nvidia-glx ?
[12:08] <Daisuke_Ido> now i'm lost
[12:08] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, for now
[12:08] <RoyB72> yorokobi, done
[12:08] <chuck_tx> ? If I get an "buffer I/O error on hdc logical block xxxxxx", Is that the cd being messed up?
[12:08] <LightGun> why are you lost Daisuke?
[12:09] <premier_> I also tried adept and synaptic.  They all ask for the edgy cd.  Why cant they just use the repositories?
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i can't figure out why it wouldn't work
[12:09] <Flosoft> hey
[12:09] <LightGun> u have a nvidia too?
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[12:09] <LightGun> with 9755?
[12:09] <Daisuke_Ido> 7600 gs, with a 19" lcd, 9755 drivers
[12:10] <Flosoft> anyone a solution for this problem? http://paste.florianjensen.com/?64
[12:10] <Yorokobi> Daisuke_Ido, LightGun ... DVI seems to be less flexible than dsub (less control). Have you tried using the analog cable to see if you have the same problem?
[12:10] <LightGun> and installed with envy?
[12:10] <RoyB72> yorokobi, reboot comp now?
[12:10] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, no
[12:10] <chuck_tx> anyone know what the buffer I/O error is a symptom of?
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> Yorokobi: i'm more or less okay with it, just trying to help LightGun troubleshoot that
[12:10] <LightGun> my 7600 GT has only 2 DVIs
[12:10] <LightGun> I have AGP
[12:11] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, use Alt-F2 to open a run dialog and type 'kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[12:11] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, then change the "nv" back to "nvidia" and save and close
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Flosoft: what exactly are you trying to do?
[12:13] <RoyB72> yorokobi done
[12:13] <Flosoft> well ... these packages simply can't get configured
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> right
[12:13] <jarn> Adept Notifier just tells me when I have updated packages, correct?
[12:13] <Flosoft> had this since I updated to Feisty 5