=== jml [n=jml@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:20] BenC: any news on the gelic driver? [02:20] doko: pulling in some changes now that should fix it [02:21] doing a build to test in about an hour [02:21] cool === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-180.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp91-76-73-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:07] BenC: there? === Eruantalon [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === m0rg0th [n=manugarg@220.225.228.97] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === m0rg0th_ [n=manugarg@220.225.228.97] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === kkubasik [n=kjk38@129.22.170.98] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-104.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f109.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === abogani [n=abogani@adsl203-157-083.mclink.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === highvoltage [n=jonathan@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@78-0-149-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491C836.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === hans [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491FFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@78-0-149-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f109.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:42] BenC: can you assign #98714, #96486 and #98643 to somebody on the kernel team? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:55] hey === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f109.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f109.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:40] morning === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-37-228.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:53] Mithrandir: in progress [03:01] BenC: Does the low latency kernel have different kernel modules? [03:10] bdmurray: Nope, it's built using the -generic config, just with some options changed (HZ and PREEMPT) [03:10] okay I was looking at a bug where somebody wanted p4-clockmod [03:11] bdmurray: however, it's entirely possible that some modules disable themselves when CONFIG_PREEMPT=y, so that might change things unknowingly [03:11] bdmurray: probably not compatible with preempt, not to mention we close all bugs that pertain specifically to -lowlatency [03:11] it's not supported [03:12] close them all? is that documented? [03:14] I think maybe assigning -lowlatency bugs to a team of -lowlatency volunteers (if those exist) might be more useful ? [03:19] bdmurray: it was understood by the team before I even created the package [03:19] and I believe it is in the package name that it is unsupported [03:19] s/name/description/ [03:20] BenC: right my point was just that it might be worth adding to the KernelBugPolicies page [03:20] bdmurray: If they expose a real bug, have them verify it on -generic, or it can be closed [03:20] bdmurray: true, I hadn't thought about that when I wrote it [03:21] BenC: incidentally I can get some kernel smb error messages on my feisty system === hans [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:21] smb_lookup and smb_add_request errors [03:23] passive errors, or oopses? [03:25] passive errors I guess, it did cause amarok to hang once === Shoaibi [n=Shoaibi@137.101.129.4] has joined #UBUNTU-KERNEL === ^^CatTuX^^ [n=Shoaibi@137.101.129.4] has joined #UBUNTU-KERNEL [04:10] BenC: does passive errors mean that are harmless? [04:10] yeah [04:10] like just kmsg traffic as opposed to "oh damn, the machine is going down" :) [04:11] okay, no bug then. so people won't have to see what music I have. ;) [04:11] lol [04:11] well, some of the songs were disturbing or revealing [04:12] er? [04:13] well, I'm certainly not gonna say. ;) [04:13] lol === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === spodzone [n=spodzone@gleann.sty.nu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ^^CatTuX^^ is away: I am tired, exhausted, tensed, angry. === ^^CatTuX^^ is away: I am tired, exhausted, tensed, angry. [04:29] ^^CatTuX^^: Please don't use public away messages. They're unnecessarily distracting. [04:30] <^^CatTuX^^> ooopppsssss sorry, okay [04:31] Thanks! === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ^^CatTuX^^ [n=Shoaibi@137.101.129.99] has joined #UBUNTU-KERNEL === hans [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === abogani [n=abogani@adsl203-157-083.mclink.it] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pmjdebruijn [n=pmjdebru@pmjdebruijn.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ChMOD [i=ca53ad9a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-da688b88e28427a7] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Razor44 [n=kathy@ipa7.26.91.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:35] somebody is reporting that some of their thinkpad special keys don't work after suspend, would that be a kernel bug? [06:36] or hotkey-setup? === pmjdebruijn [n=pmjdebru@pmjdebruijn.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp91-76-75-254.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === eean [n=ian@amarok/developer/eean] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:49] I did some updates with Feisty, now I get kernel panics on startup === ScottK [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Konversation] [06:49] of the Unable to mount root fs variety [06:51] its still on a kernel that worked before [06:51] .20-12 [07:01] eean: probably need kernel 2.6.20-13 === pmjdebruijn [n=pmjdebru@pmjdebruijn.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:01] bdmurray: it's likely a BIOS bug, but I've seen the same reports (it's a dupe, I assigned to ubuntu-kernel-acpi team) [07:02] BenC: okay thanks [07:02] BenC: another user told me they had the same problem [07:03] /etc/initramfs/modules doesn't have what it needs apparently [07:03] eean: Then they probably need the same kernel update :) [07:03] its not a kernel issue [07:03] he couldn't boot any of his kernels [07:03] not having modules doesn't cause a kernel panic [07:03] the bug I was looking at was bug 98793 [07:03] yes it does [07:03] if you can't access the hard drive [07:03] eean: yes, I know, there was a kernel oops that was causing people to drop to a busybox shell [07:03] eean: as BenC says it may be a libata problem. However, if you replaced your grub, and/or updated your fstab, this could also cause problems. [07:03] even without a root=? [07:04] I might have replaced my grub [07:04] I updated feisty [07:04] eean: if there's no root= in the kernel command line, then that's a whole different issue [07:04] a bunch of packages [07:04] not even related initramfs modules [07:04] BenC: no I mean, can you get a busybox without a valid root [07:04] yes [07:04] BenC: ok, but .20-12 was working for me before [07:05] I had booted from it several times [07:05] eean: you have to check any files using /dev/hdx have been correctly changed to /dev/sdx (or use labels). [07:05] check your /proc/cmdline [07:05] check dmesg [07:05] check lsmod, check lspci [07:05] pkl_: my fstab is fine, I've cated it with grub [07:05] lol how do I check dmesg ;) [07:05] eean: fstab means nothing [07:06] it's root= in grub's menu.lst that counts for this problem [07:06] I can see dmesg when I boot, but I can't scroll up after a kernel panic [07:06] and I have it set correctly [07:06] eean: dd if=/proc/kmsg of=/tmp/dmesg bs=1 & [07:06] eean: Then you can more /tmp/dmesg [07:06] with what?! [07:06] kernel panic! [07:06] if it's a kernel panic, then you aren't at a busy box shell [07:06] no shit ;) [07:07] then you are arguing the wrong case [07:07] if the kernel complains "panic: no root, check root=" or some such, then you aren't even passing it an initramfs [07:07] yes I am :| [07:07] I see it in grub [07:07] then the initrd is broken [07:07] sudo update-initramfs -u [07:08] yes thats what the other use told me to do [07:08] other *user [07:08] like I said, I don't think its a kernel issue [07:08] can I burn cd iso on to dvd-r's? [07:08] can you take a digital photo of the problem, and raise a bug. [07:09] suppose I could [07:09] wait no, my digital camera doesn't work === newz2000 [n=matt@unaffiliated/newz2000] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:09] it's not a bug in the kernel for sure [07:09] mobile phone with camera capability? [07:10] eean: did you run the update-initramfs command? or do you not have an older kernel to boot from? [07:10] it costs some unreasonable amount to email them and I don't have a connector :) [07:10] BenC: I don't have an older kernel to run from [07:10] hi crimsun, was wondering if you may be able to help me with bug # 92171 sometime when you have a chance [07:10] why I need to burn a cd [07:10] but I have no cd-r's :) [07:10] just dvd-rs [07:10] eean: dvd-r should work so long as the drive in that system can read them [07:10] well sure [07:11] I wonder if I could do a network boot, that would be nifty... [07:13] network boots are not trivial at the best of times, especially if you don't actually know what's gone wrong :) [07:13] oh well I won't try too hard ;) [07:13] best to use boot from a liveCD. [07:22] BenC: the bug I was looking at was 98793 what should that be a dupe of? === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:26] bdmurray: Please assign bugs to ubuntu-kernel-team once you Confirm them [07:26] bdmurray: I'll check for the dupe in a sec [07:28] BenC: well k3b says it has to be a cd-r :/ [07:29] eean: cdrecord dev=/dev/scd0 foo.iso [07:30] heh ok, I hope you know better then k3b :) [07:32] yea it errored out before writing === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:55] what should be in my /etc/initramfs-tools/modules [07:55] ? [07:56] eean: nothing [07:56] crimsun: patches applied [07:56] eean: /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf should have MODULES=most [07:56] your problem has nothing to do with missing modules anyway [07:57] but update-initramfs will work anyways? [07:57] that's how Ubuntu works by default [07:58] well it didn't have MODULES=most [07:58] what did it have? [07:58] nothing [07:58] just comments [07:58] egrep -v '^(#|$)' /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf [07:59] Can you show me the output of that command? [07:59] already rebooting, just a sec if it doesn't work [07:59] ok not working :) [08:00] well this will take a while actually, gentoo's install cd takes a while [08:04] BenC: MODULES=most, BUSYBOX=y, DEVICE=eth0, NFSROOT=auto === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:04] except on seperate lines of course [08:10] eean: Then it doesn't have just comments [08:11] eean: ls -l /boot/initrd.img-* [08:11] we're talking about two different files ;) [08:11] BenC> eean: /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf should have MODULES=most [08:11] no, I was talking about that file [08:11] ah [08:11] well that wasn't my question [08:12] anyways, its workign now :) [08:12] so it booted properly? [08:12] yes [08:12] ok [08:12] could be the extra modules I added to the modules file [08:12] or maybe just running it again [08:12] has nothing to do with that [08:12] that panic wont happen because of missing modules [08:12] so just running it again then [08:12] it's because the initramfs didn't mount [08:13] right, most likely [08:13] before I didn't mount /boot into my chroot [08:13] so running update-initramfs did nothing :) [08:14] yeah, that'll do it too :) [08:14] make sure you have enough freespace on your /boot [08:14] that can cause improper initrd.img creation as well [08:15] yes there's like 40mb free [08:16] I wonder what caused the issue to begin with [08:16] if it fails, then the install/update will tell you [08:17] could have been a million things [08:17] just keep an eye on it, if it happens again try to collect as much info as possible about your setup and anything leading up to it [08:17] ok [08:27] mjg59: ping...memstick is running out of time :) === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-075-111.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:54] Are there multiple chipsets that use ipw3945? === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:29] bdmurray: there's only two PCI ID's that can use ipw3945 [09:29] both are called "Intel Pro Wireless 3945" [09:30] I've seen some bugs regarding the ipw3945 but my laptop with one seems fine [09:32] 9 times out of 10, it's because they don't have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-xx-generic installed [09:32] have them do "sudo apt-get install linux-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic" [09:33] those meta packages will make sure they work over updates [09:36] okay === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-180.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:30] I have been talking with several other people about feisty, and one thing that (almost) everybody seems to see is that there is more "stuttering" of applications compared to previous Ubuntu-versions [10:30] did anything in the kernel change which could cause that ? [10:31] JanC: we have an libX11 fix which should fix most of that, I think. At least if this is for X apps. [10:31] this is mostly a feeling, as nobody has exact data on this (how could we get that?), but considering that I have seen so many people express this... [10:32] hm, it might be only for X apps [10:33] if music/media players can be infected because they use X [10:34] bug #88815 might be the one. [10:34] if you're on i386, can you try tepsipakki's packages from http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/ and see if they help for you? [10:35] personally I even see this when doing upgrades using synaptic, which may cause other applications to stall since using feisty... [10:35] I'm using the i386 -generic kernel yes [10:35] I'll try that [10:35] thanks. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:36] hm, will that work with a closed source driver ? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:36] shouldn't matter. === varka [n=varkatop@p54a5f109.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:07] newz2000: I'll do some alsa triaging tonight - been very busy this week [11:08] crimsun: no doubt. Let me know what I can do to help. I'm obviously very interested in getting my sound back and am eager to help. === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:09] For me, this is a show stopper and I will likely go back to Edgy if thats whats needed to have sound. [11:10] crimsun: do you also look at sound issues after resume, like bug 94036 ? [11:10] Lure: it's lower priority atm, but eventually [11:11] crimsun: ok, no problem - let me know if more info or testing with patched kernel is required [11:23] Mithrandir: this seems to make a *real* difference [11:23] JanC: it made your system much happier? === JanC is now listening to music without hickups while under a system load of > 5 [11:24] tepsipakki: ^^ [11:24] I can ask some other people to test if you want [11:27] if you'd like, but please make sure to add your experiences on the bug. [11:35] hm, what was the bug # again :) [11:35] 88815 === EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel