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| nealmcb | I'm upgrading via aptitude (dapper), and again I'm running into odd broken dependencies. It says that cupsys-bsd is broken, and suggests that I need to upgrade it in order to upgrade cupsys-client to 1.2.2 My problem is, why on earth does it think I don't want it to do that automatically?? does it think I placed some sort of hold on it or something?? I never do that sort of thing on purpose.... | 12:38 |
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| ivoks | you are dist upgrading or what? | 12:41 |
| nealmcb | just a normal "U" for upgrade | 12:41 |
| ivoks | so... you already have dapper? | 12:42 |
| nealmcb | yes | 12:42 |
| ivoks | so, it says that cupsys-bsd needs upgrading? | 12:42 |
| nealmcb | Yeah. in the aptitude gui, at the bottom "[1(1)/...] Suggest 4 upgrades e: Examine !: Apply .: Next ,: Previous" | 12:43 |
| ivoks | doing sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't install new packages? | 12:43 |
| nealmcb | I've been told for years that aptitude was better than apt, since it keeps track of what you really want to install | 12:44 |
| ivoks | sorry, but i don't see a problem | 12:44 |
| ivoks | it reminds you that you need to upgrade another package too | 12:45 |
| ivoks | and if you choose apply, everything should go ok | 12:45 |
| nealmcb | why does it ask me about cupsys-bsd, but not about cupsys-client? | 12:46 |
| ivoks | if that 'reminding' is a problem, maybe you shouldn't use tool which primary job is to remind you about additional upgrades :) | 12:46 |
| nealmcb | I didn't ask for anything in particular, and it comes up with not one, but four different things I have to approve | 12:46 |
| ivoks | then don't use UI of aptitude | 12:47 |
| ivoks | just run sudo aptitude upgrade | 12:47 |
| ivoks | or dist-upgrade | 12:47 |
| nealmcb | If I understood what was different about the two situations, it wouldn't make me nervous | 12:47 |
| ivoks | difference betwean what? | 12:47 |
| ivoks | doh... | 12:48 |
| nealmcb | why does it ask me about cupsys-bsd, but not about cupsys-client? | 12:48 |
| nealmcb | both need upgrading, but it makes a point of asking me about one of them | 12:48 |
| ivoks | if you select one package for upgrade, than it will ask you for another one | 12:49 |
| nealmcb | I didn't select anything in particular for upgrade - just a general "upgrade it all" but it starts asking questions about four packages out of the dozens that need upgrading | 12:50 |
| ivoks | maybe cupsys needs additional library | 12:50 |
| nealmcb | the other questions out-of-the-blue are about evolution-plugins , libc6-i686 and libglib2.0-data | 12:51 |
| ivoks | and if you approve instalation of cupsys-client, then that library will get installed | 12:51 |
| ivoks | thus, you don't have to approve that for evey single package that depends on that library | 12:51 |
| nealmcb | I could see it warning me if I was asking to do something custom, like holding cupsys-client at an old version. but I'm just trying to say "upgrade it all" | 12:51 |
| ivoks | you don't listen or you don't understand? | 12:52 |
| ivoks | if new version of cups depends on a new library (which you don't have installed) | 12:52 |
| ivoks | then, selecting upgrade of one cups package, selects that new library | 12:52 |
| ivoks | since that library will get installed, you don't have to approve installation of every single cups package | 12:53 |
| ivoks | they don't need special approval, since you will have that library and everything is fine with them | 12:53 |
| ivoks | and, i'll repeat | 12:53 |
| ivoks | why do you use aptitude UI if interaction makes you nervous? :) | 12:54 |
| nealmcb | Both cupsys-client and cupsys-bsd are already installed, by default. So it isn't an issue of needing a new library, as far as I can see | 12:54 |
| ivoks | ok, for the test | 12:54 |
| ivoks | when you do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 12:55 |
| nealmcb | I like a GUI that tells me what I need to know. I'm curious why I need to know about these four upgrades, out of all the others out there | 12:55 |
| ivoks | does it say that it need aditional packages? | 12:55 |
| nealmcb | why dist-upgrade? | 12:55 |
| ivoks | that's what aptitude is doing | 12:55 |
| nealmcb | I thought "U" was for just "upgrade", not "dist-upgrade" | 12:56 |
| ivoks | i don't use aptitude, sorry, i can't help you | 12:56 |
| ivoks | :) | 12:56 |
| nealmcb | Ahh... | 12:56 |
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| nealmcb | for the record, sudo aptitude upgrade says it will upgrade both cupsys-bsd and cupsys-client. So I still want to know why the GUI is making a big deal about cupsys-bsd and a couple others, out of dozens of upgraded packages. | 12:59 |
| ivoks | press e? | 01:00 |
| nealmcb | yeah, "e" helps give info. But what is the equivalent for the command line? | 01:04 |
| nealmcb | It is just odd that the GUI treats these packages differently than the command line, and I want to know why, and if there is a way to turn that off. It gets far worse at other times with aptitude - e.g. packages showing up for deletion which none of my colleagues remember marking for deletion. , which makes me wonder if folks really don't recommend it any more, like they used to. | 01:06 |
| nealmcb | so maybe just doing it all from the command line, with apt-get or aptitude, is the answer for server administration these days? | 01:06 |
| ivoks | i've never used aptitude, and i'm runing linux servers for 10 years | 01:07 |
| marnaud | hi, I don't know if I'm at the good place for that, I have a question about logrotate, so maybe I'm not too off-topic and someone knows it well | 01:07 |
| nealmcb | well, it was the default for either debian or ubuntu in 2004 or so as I recall | 01:07 |
| ivoks | nealmcb: it was never default in ubuntu | 01:07 |
| ivoks | and never in debian | 01:07 |
| ivoks | dpkg is the only 'default' thing | 01:08 |
| ivoks | everything else is glue on top of it | 01:08 |
| ivoks | marnaud: sure, just ask | 01:08 |
| marnaud | I have configured all my log files to be rotated once a month, and a rotation happened before she had to | 01:09 |
| nealmcb | during installation of debian server pre-sarge in september of 2004, aptitude was the default | 01:09 |
| nealmcb | I don't know if sarge shipped that way or not | 01:09 |
| marnaud | I had chrony and I deinstalled it, I think it's that which is the problem because chrony has log files handled by logrotate | 01:10 |
| ivoks | marnaud: all logs or just some of them? | 01:11 |
| marnaud | after chrony was removed, the day after with the daily cron task, all my log files handled by logrotate were rotated | 01:11 |
| marnaud | ivoks: all logs | 01:11 |
| marnaud | so I don't know if it's a normal behaviour or if this may be a bug | 01:12 |
| ivoks | marnaud: how did you configure logrotate to rotate only once in a month? | 01:12 |
| ivoks | in every config in logrorate.d? | 01:12 |
| marnaud | I configured it in /et/logrotate.conf with monthly directive | 01:14 |
| marnaud | and all my config files in logrotate.d have monthly too | 01:15 |
| ivoks | but... that file includes /etc/logrotate.d | 01:15 |
| ivoks | ok | 01:15 |
| marnaud | I don't know exactly how function /var/lib/logrotate/status | 01:17 |
| ivoks | that should be ok | 01:17 |
| marnaud | ok so it's a normal behaviour ? | 01:17 |
| ivoks | it's not | 01:18 |
| ivoks | /var/lib/logrotate/status is status of when was the last time logs were rotated | 01:19 |
| marnaud | yes, this confirms they were rotated | 01:20 |
| marnaud | and not at the begin of the month as I must do normally | 01:20 |
| ivoks | welll | 01:22 |
| ivoks | you can do this :) | 01:22 |
| ivoks | mv /etc/cron.daily/logrotate /etc/cron.monthly/ | 01:22 |
| marnaud | I'm sorry, I should precise, this rotation happened 3 days ago | 01:24 |
| ivoks | even for syslog? | 01:24 |
| marnaud | and since this unusual rotation, there is not daily rotations | 01:24 |
| marnaud | this problem happened once | 01:24 |
| ivoks | hm... | 01:25 |
| marnaud | yes even for syslog | 01:25 |
| ivoks | did you changed settings on that day? | 01:25 |
| marnaud | no | 01:25 |
| marnaud | that's why I wonder what happened and if it may be a bug | 01:25 |
| ivoks | logrotate should start keeping it's own logs :) | 01:26 |
| nealmcb | So now folks on another channel are saying that apt and aptitude are unreliable for doing upgrades - that update-manger is necessary, implying X11!! Do folks here agree? | 01:28 |
| foo | hmm, during the ubuntu install... I was told alt+f2.. setup network, install openssh-server... then I can ssh in remotely. Just wondering, is there anyway to run the installer remotely? | 01:29 |
| foo | :) | 01:29 |
| marnaud | ok I will make some tries because I'm curious about this problem :) | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | marnaud: I don't think update-manager is the recommended upgrade tool for servers | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | for a normal desktop it's a bit better because it has some extra "stuff" | 01:36 |
| marnaud | LaserJock: sorry, I don't see why you talk me about update-manager :) | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm? | 01:38 |
| Burgwork | nealmcb: there is going to be a commandline updater | 01:39 |
| nealmcb | tell me more :-) | 01:39 |
| nealmcb | one that uses the same python logic behind update-manager? | 01:39 |
| nealmcb | burgwork ^^ | 01:42 |
| Burgwork | yes | 01:42 |
| nealmcb | thanks | 01:43 |
| Burgwork | justa sec, getting the spec | 01:43 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 01:43 |
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| Burgwork | https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-upgrade-tool | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | hi Burgwork | 01:47 |
| Burgwork | hey ajmitch | 01:47 |
| nealmcb | Burgwork: thanks - I'll look at it later when I'm running firefox. launchpad seems to have cookie and certificate problems, according to lynx | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | nealmcb: I think elinks works with Launchpad | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | I saw that bug in my bugmail today | 01:54 |
| nealmcb | LaserJock: thanks - I'll try that out... after my big upgrade finishes so I can install it.... | 01:56 |
| nealmcb | LaserJock: elinks works - thanks | 02:12 |
| nealmcb | Burgwork: This site is accessible by launchpad admins and members of the Launchpad Beta Testers team only. | 02:13 |
| Burgwork | nealmcb: nuke the word "beta" out of the url | 02:13 |
| nealmcb | ahh - but it is on the normal launchpad site... | 02:13 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 02:13 |
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| exobuzz | hello | 03:02 |
| mralphabet | hello | 03:03 |
| exobuzz | i have a question. i asked it on #ubuntu but got no reply, but i guess this channel is more suited as its a server issue | 03:03 |
| exobuzz | anyway here goes: Im adding a usb hd to machine i have only remote access to. As such, I don't want to mount it from fstab, as that happens before networking is started, and in case of some failure, i want to be able to log in. So I intent to create an entry in fstab with noauto and "0" for fsck order so it doesnt get checked/mounted. Then I can mount later on. I want it mounted BEFORE apache/proftp etc as it will have files on | 03:03 |
| exobuzz | it needed by those daemons and others. Are the update-rc.d "defaults" suitable for this, ? does the system normally run fsck on every boot and fsck decides whether a disk is dirty or not? | 03:03 |
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| Innatech | IIRC, fsck is only run if the disk is found to be marked dirty @ startup, but I might be a little fuzzy on that. | 03:13 |
| exobuzz | thanks. yeh i ran it a few times and it seems to be smart so i guess thats the right way | 03:15 |
| exobuzz | and looking at things the update-rc.d defaults use S20 for my script, which SHOULD be ok. as apache/proftpd are S50/S91 (this is a sysv machine no upstart etc | 03:16 |
| exobuzz | ok rebooting to test it :) | 03:19 |
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| exobuzz | well. that seems to work nicely | 03:29 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | sorry i took a while to leave -admin, i was out | 11:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | in this instance does 'server'=ltsp server? | 11:42 |
| shawarma | Depends. | 11:47 |
| shawarma | :-) | 11:47 |
| shawarma | Kamping_Kaiser: What's the problem? | 11:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i was wondering if an ltsp server has support until 2009 or 2011. | 11:48 |
| shawarma | Kamping_Kaiser: Dapper is supported until 2011. | 11:56 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | shawarma, for ltsp servers though? because desktop is only 3 years (ie 2009), with servers until 2011 | 11:57 |
| shawarma | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not entirely sure (don't work for Canonical). | 11:57 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | shawarma, ok. i'll muse over my best course of action for a day or two then :) | 11:58 |
| shawarma | Kamping_Kaiser: You could drop Canonical an e-mail and ask them. | 11:59 |
| shawarma | Kamping_Kaiser: they're very friendly, don't bite, and usually reply pretty quickly. | 11:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | shawarma, would canonical be the correct place to ask? i dont have any support contracts with tehm | 11:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | *them | 11:59 |
| shawarma | They decide for how long there's going to be support on stuff. | 12:00 |
| shawarma | http://www.canonical.com/support/webtolead | 12:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | thanks | 12:01 |
| shawarma | any time | 12:03 |
| shawarma | Kamping_Kaiser: You could try in #ubuntu-devel too. | 12:03 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | shawarma, hm. think i'll not do that :) | 12:04 |
| [miles] | mmm why is ubuntu-servers version of SpamAssassin so out of date? | 12:11 |
| shawarma | [miles] : spamassassin | 3.1.7-2ubuntu1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages | 12:12 |
| shawarma | [miles] : Is that so bad? | 12:12 |
| [miles] | for 6.06LTS | 12:12 |
| [miles] | sorry | 12:12 |
| [miles] | should have said | 12:12 |
| shawarma | [miles] : Well, you answered it yourself. 6.06 means June 2006. | 12:13 |
| [miles] | shawarma: yeah... | 12:13 |
| [miles] | shawarma: I know that | 12:13 |
| [miles] | shawarma: but for a server... SA is quite a critical package in some situations | 12:14 |
| [miles] | shawarma: like the situation im in | 12:14 |
| [miles] | shawarma: I've compiled the latest SA tarball now | 12:14 |
| shawarma | [miles] : http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/mail/spamassassin | 12:14 |
| shawarma | [miles] : Unsupported, though. | 12:15 |
| [miles] | shawarma: mm ok | 12:15 |
| [miles] | thanks | 12:15 |
| [miles] | I'll keep that in mind | 12:15 |
| [miles] | shawarma: actually, due to the server being a spam firewall, I think I'll try to start rolling my own .deb's | 12:16 |
| [miles] | and keep the base Ubuntu Server 6.06 | 12:16 |
| shawarma | [miles] : that's on option, too. | 12:16 |
| [miles] | shawarma: you know if there is any nice tools to build a .deb from a tarball? like rpmbuild has? | 12:17 |
| shawarma | [miles] : I'm not familiar with rpmbuild. | 12:18 |
| [miles] | ah ok np | 12:20 |
| shawarma | [miles] : Is it something like checkinstall? | 12:20 |
| [miles] | no idea mate | 12:21 |
| [miles] | never attemtpted to package .deb's | 12:21 |
| shawarma | Try a quick 'apt-cache show checkinstall'. See if the description fits your needs. | 12:22 |
| [miles] | ok thanks will do | 12:23 |
| [miles] | just hacking a perl SA pluggin | 12:23 |
| [miles] | then I'll try | 12:23 |
| shawarma | k | 12:24 |
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| [miles] | lionel: good day | 12:54 |
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| mvo | can someone with apache expertise can give me a hint how to reproduce https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/95325 ? I tried it in various ways and seem to be getting nowhere | 02:10 |
| lionel | hi [miles] | 02:34 |
| lionel | (and sorry for the delay) | 02:34 |
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| necrite | hi | 02:56 |
| necrite | i have to make one step by step doc for ubuntu server installation | 02:56 |
| necrite | i have to knoe when ubuntu server instalation ask you for network configuration | 02:57 |
| necrite | anyone remember that? | 02:57 |
| ivoks | when? during installation :) | 03:03 |
| ivoks | it loads drivers first | 03:04 |
| ivoks | iirc | 03:04 |
| necrite | ivoks, mhh but it make all interfaces as DHCP .. | 03:07 |
| ivoks | right | 03:07 |
| necrite | i find one post :) | 03:07 |
| ivoks | wait... i know where you can find this info | 03:08 |
| necrite | nice :D | 03:08 |
| ivoks | http://www.howtoforge.com/samba_domaincontroller_setup_ubuntu_6.10 | 03:08 |
| ivoks | there, picture by picture | 03:08 |
| ivoks | so, that would be after scaning CDROM | 03:10 |
| ivoks | it it is a net boot installation | 03:10 |
| necrite | i dont know why ppl need this things :S | 03:10 |
| ivoks | then it is after keyboard layout | 03:10 |
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| [miles] | hi lionel and me also, sorry for the delay | 03:58 |
| [miles] | jaja | 03:58 |
| [miles] | lionel: went to carrefour to have a MAJOR argument with them | 03:58 |
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| r00tintheb0x | Hey guys, how can i forward X from a server to my Gnome desktop? | 09:55 |
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| nealmcb | r00tintheb0x: ssh does x forwarding | 10:20 |
| r00tintheb0x | nealmcb, yeah i got it from Ubuntu+1 | 10:21 |
| r00tintheb0x | thanks | 10:21 |
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| radevil | hello | 11:53 |
| theacolyte | Afternoon | 11:53 |
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