=== nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:38] I'm upgrading via aptitude (dapper), and again I'm running into odd broken dependencies. It says that cupsys-bsd is broken, and suggests that I need to upgrade it in order to upgrade cupsys-client to 1.2.2 My problem is, why on earth does it think I don't want it to do that automatically?? does it think I placed some sort of hold on it or something?? I never do that sort of thing on purpose.... [12:41] you are dist upgrading or what? [12:41] just a normal "U" for upgrade [12:42] so... you already have dapper? [12:42] yes [12:42] so, it says that cupsys-bsd needs upgrading? [12:43] Yeah. in the aptitude gui, at the bottom "[1(1)/...] Suggest 4 upgrades e: Examine !: Apply .: Next ,: Previous" [12:43] doing sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't install new packages? [12:44] I've been told for years that aptitude was better than apt, since it keeps track of what you really want to install [12:44] sorry, but i don't see a problem [12:45] it reminds you that you need to upgrade another package too [12:45] and if you choose apply, everything should go ok [12:46] why does it ask me about cupsys-bsd, but not about cupsys-client? [12:46] if that 'reminding' is a problem, maybe you shouldn't use tool which primary job is to remind you about additional upgrades :) [12:46] I didn't ask for anything in particular, and it comes up with not one, but four different things I have to approve [12:47] then don't use UI of aptitude [12:47] just run sudo aptitude upgrade [12:47] or dist-upgrade [12:47] If I understood what was different about the two situations, it wouldn't make me nervous [12:47] difference betwean what? [12:48] doh... [12:48] why does it ask me about cupsys-bsd, but not about cupsys-client? [12:48] both need upgrading, but it makes a point of asking me about one of them [12:49] if you select one package for upgrade, than it will ask you for another one [12:50] I didn't select anything in particular for upgrade - just a general "upgrade it all" but it starts asking questions about four packages out of the dozens that need upgrading [12:50] maybe cupsys needs additional library [12:51] the other questions out-of-the-blue are about evolution-plugins , libc6-i686 and libglib2.0-data [12:51] and if you approve instalation of cupsys-client, then that library will get installed [12:51] thus, you don't have to approve that for evey single package that depends on that library [12:51] I could see it warning me if I was asking to do something custom, like holding cupsys-client at an old version. but I'm just trying to say "upgrade it all" [12:52] you don't listen or you don't understand? [12:52] if new version of cups depends on a new library (which you don't have installed) [12:52] then, selecting upgrade of one cups package, selects that new library [12:53] since that library will get installed, you don't have to approve installation of every single cups package [12:53] they don't need special approval, since you will have that library and everything is fine with them [12:53] and, i'll repeat [12:54] why do you use aptitude UI if interaction makes you nervous? :) [12:54] Both cupsys-client and cupsys-bsd are already installed, by default. So it isn't an issue of needing a new library, as far as I can see [12:54] ok, for the test [12:55] when you do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [12:55] I like a GUI that tells me what I need to know. I'm curious why I need to know about these four upgrades, out of all the others out there [12:55] does it say that it need aditional packages? [12:55] why dist-upgrade? [12:55] that's what aptitude is doing [12:56] I thought "U" was for just "upgrade", not "dist-upgrade" [12:56] i don't use aptitude, sorry, i can't help you [12:56] :) [12:56] Ahh... === marnaud [n=marnaud@AAmiens-152-1-23-9.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:59] for the record, sudo aptitude upgrade says it will upgrade both cupsys-bsd and cupsys-client. So I still want to know why the GUI is making a big deal about cupsys-bsd and a couple others, out of dozens of upgraded packages. [01:00] press e? [01:04] yeah, "e" helps give info. But what is the equivalent for the command line? [01:06] It is just odd that the GUI treats these packages differently than the command line, and I want to know why, and if there is a way to turn that off. It gets far worse at other times with aptitude - e.g. packages showing up for deletion which none of my colleagues remember marking for deletion. , which makes me wonder if folks really don't recommend it any more, like they used to. [01:06] so maybe just doing it all from the command line, with apt-get or aptitude, is the answer for server administration these days? [01:07] i've never used aptitude, and i'm runing linux servers for 10 years [01:07] hi, I don't know if I'm at the good place for that, I have a question about logrotate, so maybe I'm not too off-topic and someone knows it well [01:07] well, it was the default for either debian or ubuntu in 2004 or so as I recall [01:07] nealmcb: it was never default in ubuntu [01:07] and never in debian [01:08] dpkg is the only 'default' thing [01:08] everything else is glue on top of it [01:08] marnaud: sure, just ask [01:09] I have configured all my log files to be rotated once a month, and a rotation happened before she had to [01:09] during installation of debian server pre-sarge in september of 2004, aptitude was the default [01:09] I don't know if sarge shipped that way or not [01:10] I had chrony and I deinstalled it, I think it's that which is the problem because chrony has log files handled by logrotate [01:11] marnaud: all logs or just some of them? [01:11] after chrony was removed, the day after with the daily cron task, all my log files handled by logrotate were rotated [01:11] ivoks: all logs [01:12] so I don't know if it's a normal behaviour or if this may be a bug [01:12] marnaud: how did you configure logrotate to rotate only once in a month? [01:12] in every config in logrorate.d? [01:14] I configured it in /et/logrotate.conf with monthly directive [01:15] and all my config files in logrotate.d have monthly too [01:15] but... that file includes /etc/logrotate.d [01:15] ok [01:17] I don't know exactly how function /var/lib/logrotate/status [01:17] that should be ok [01:17] ok so it's a normal behaviour ? [01:18] it's not [01:19] /var/lib/logrotate/status is status of when was the last time logs were rotated [01:20] yes, this confirms they were rotated [01:20] and not at the begin of the month as I must do normally [01:22] welll [01:22] you can do this :) [01:22] mv /etc/cron.daily/logrotate /etc/cron.monthly/ [01:24] I'm sorry, I should precise, this rotation happened 3 days ago [01:24] even for syslog? [01:24] and since this unusual rotation, there is not daily rotations [01:24] this problem happened once [01:25] hm... [01:25] yes even for syslog [01:25] did you changed settings on that day? [01:25] no [01:25] that's why I wonder what happened and if it may be a bug [01:26] logrotate should start keeping it's own logs :) [01:28] So now folks on another channel are saying that apt and aptitude are unreliable for doing upgrades - that update-manger is necessary, implying X11!! Do folks here agree? [01:29] hmm, during the ubuntu install... I was told alt+f2.. setup network, install openssh-server... then I can ssh in remotely. Just wondering, is there anyway to run the installer remotely? [01:29] :) [01:30] ok I will make some tries because I'm curious about this problem :) [01:35] marnaud: I don't think update-manager is the recommended upgrade tool for servers [01:36] for a normal desktop it's a bit better because it has some extra "stuff" [01:37] LaserJock: sorry, I don't see why you talk me about update-manager :) [01:38] hmm? [01:39] nealmcb: there is going to be a commandline updater [01:39] tell me more :-) [01:39] one that uses the same python logic behind update-manager? [01:42] burgwork ^^ [01:42] yes [01:43] thanks [01:43] justa sec, getting the spec [01:43] :-) === LinuxBA [n=alexos@ubuntu/member/linuxba] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:44] https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-upgrade-tool [01:47] hi Burgwork [01:47] hey ajmitch [01:51] Burgwork: thanks - I'll look at it later when I'm running firefox. launchpad seems to have cookie and certificate problems, according to lynx [01:54] nealmcb: I think elinks works with Launchpad [01:54] I saw that bug in my bugmail today [01:56] LaserJock: thanks - I'll try that out... after my big upgrade finishes so I can install it.... [02:12] LaserJock: elinks works - thanks [02:13] Burgwork: This site is accessible by launchpad admins and members of the Launchpad Beta Testers team only. [02:13] nealmcb: nuke the word "beta" out of the url [02:13] ahh - but it is on the normal launchpad site... [02:13] :-) === marnaud [n=marnaud@AAmiens-152-1-23-9.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-server [] === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #ubuntu-server === exobuzz [n=jools@82-70-241-14.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:02] hello [03:03] hello [03:03] i have a question. i asked it on #ubuntu but got no reply, but i guess this channel is more suited as its a server issue [03:03] anyway here goes: Im adding a usb hd to machine i have only remote access to. As such, I don't want to mount it from fstab, as that happens before networking is started, and in case of some failure, i want to be able to log in. So I intent to create an entry in fstab with noauto and "0" for fsck order so it doesnt get checked/mounted. Then I can mount later on. I want it mounted BEFORE apache/proftp etc as it will have files on [03:03] it needed by those daemons and others. Are the update-rc.d "defaults" suitable for this, ? does the system normally run fsck on every boot and fsck decides whether a disk is dirty or not? === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:13] IIRC, fsck is only run if the disk is found to be marked dirty @ startup, but I might be a little fuzzy on that. [03:15] thanks. yeh i ran it a few times and it seems to be smart so i guess thats the right way [03:16] and looking at things the update-rc.d defaults use S20 for my script, which SHOULD be ok. as apache/proftpd are S50/S91 (this is a sysv machine no upstart etc [03:19] ok rebooting to test it :) === exobuzz [n=jools@82-70-241-14.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:29] well. that seems to work nicely === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-server === maswan [i=maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-104.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server === mvo [n=egon@p54A67759.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@78-0-149-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:42] sorry i took a while to leave -admin, i was out [11:42] in this instance does 'server'=ltsp server? [11:47] Depends. [11:47] :-) [11:48] Kamping_Kaiser: What's the problem? [11:48] i was wondering if an ltsp server has support until 2009 or 2011. [11:56] Kamping_Kaiser: Dapper is supported until 2011. [11:57] shawarma, for ltsp servers though? because desktop is only 3 years (ie 2009), with servers until 2011 [11:57] Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not entirely sure (don't work for Canonical). [11:58] shawarma, ok. i'll muse over my best course of action for a day or two then :) [11:59] Kamping_Kaiser: You could drop Canonical an e-mail and ask them. [11:59] Kamping_Kaiser: they're very friendly, don't bite, and usually reply pretty quickly. [11:59] shawarma, would canonical be the correct place to ask? i dont have any support contracts with tehm [11:59] *them [12:00] They decide for how long there's going to be support on stuff. [12:00] http://www.canonical.com/support/webtolead [12:01] thanks [12:03] any time [12:03] Kamping_Kaiser: You could try in #ubuntu-devel too. [12:04] shawarma, hm. think i'll not do that :) [12:11] <[miles] > mmm why is ubuntu-servers version of SpamAssassin so out of date? [12:12] [miles] : spamassassin | 3.1.7-2ubuntu1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages [12:12] [miles] : Is that so bad? [12:12] <[miles] > for 6.06LTS [12:12] <[miles] > sorry [12:12] <[miles] > should have said [12:13] [miles] : Well, you answered it yourself. 6.06 means June 2006. [12:13] <[miles] > shawarma: yeah... [12:13] <[miles] > shawarma: I know that [12:14] <[miles] > shawarma: but for a server... SA is quite a critical package in some situations [12:14] <[miles] > shawarma: like the situation im in [12:14] <[miles] > shawarma: I've compiled the latest SA tarball now [12:14] [miles] : http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/mail/spamassassin [12:15] [miles] : Unsupported, though. [12:15] <[miles] > shawarma: mm ok [12:15] <[miles] > thanks [12:15] <[miles] > I'll keep that in mind [12:16] <[miles] > shawarma: actually, due to the server being a spam firewall, I think I'll try to start rolling my own .deb's [12:16] <[miles] > and keep the base Ubuntu Server 6.06 [12:16] [miles] : that's on option, too. [12:17] <[miles] > shawarma: you know if there is any nice tools to build a .deb from a tarball? like rpmbuild has? [12:18] [miles] : I'm not familiar with rpmbuild. [12:20] <[miles] > ah ok np [12:20] [miles] : Is it something like checkinstall? [12:21] <[miles] > no idea mate [12:21] <[miles] > never attemtpted to package .deb's [12:22] Try a quick 'apt-cache show checkinstall'. See if the description fits your needs. [12:23] <[miles] > ok thanks will do [12:23] <[miles] > just hacking a perl SA pluggin [12:23] <[miles] > then I'll try [12:24] k === lionel [n=lionel@ip-12.net-81-220-86.toulouse.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:54] <[miles] > lionel: good day === Cervellinux [n=Cervelli@151.74.231.83] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@78-0-149-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === Cervellinux [n=Cervelli@151.74.231.83] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionel [n=lionel@ip-12.net-81-220-86.toulouse.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:10] can someone with apache expertise can give me a hint how to reproduce https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/95325 ? I tried it in various ways and seem to be getting nowhere [02:34] hi [miles] [02:34] (and sorry for the delay) === lionel [n=lionel@ip-12.net-81-220-86.toulouse.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-37-228.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === necrite [n=necrite@r190-64-210-196.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:56] hi [02:56] i have to make one step by step doc for ubuntu server installation [02:57] i have to knoe when ubuntu server instalation ask you for network configuration [02:57] anyone remember that? [03:03] when? during installation :) [03:04] it loads drivers first [03:04] iirc [03:07] ivoks, mhh but it make all interfaces as DHCP .. [03:07] right [03:07] i find one post :) [03:08] wait... i know where you can find this info [03:08] nice :D [03:08] http://www.howtoforge.com/samba_domaincontroller_setup_ubuntu_6.10 [03:08] there, picture by picture [03:10] so, that would be after scaning CDROM [03:10] it it is a net boot installation [03:10] i dont know why ppl need this things :S [03:10] then it is after keyboard layout === Cervellinux [n=Cervelli@151.74.231.83] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:58] <[miles] > hi lionel and me also, sorry for the delay [03:58] <[miles] > jaja [03:58] <[miles] > lionel: went to carrefour to have a MAJOR argument with them === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === ra1nb0w [n=davide@host64-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionel [n=lionel@ip-12.net-81-220-86.toulouse.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === Innatech [n=daf@netblock-72-25-97-119.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionel [n=lionel@ip-227.net-81-220-93.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === hyperspace [n=shiva@ip72-204-22-64.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === theacolyte [n=theacoly@unaffiliated/theacolyte] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server === penguim [n=alex@200.254.8.137] has joined #ubuntu-server === ra1nb0w [n=davide@host230-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === ra1nb0w [n=davide@host230-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === Innatech [n=daf@netblock-72-25-97-119.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ra1nb0w [n=davide@host230-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #ubuntu-server === r00tintheb0x [n=r00tinth@198.170.183.140] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ra1nb0w [n=davide@host230-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === r00tintheb0x [n=r00tinth@198.170.183.140] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:55] Hey guys, how can i forward X from a server to my Gnome desktop? === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-102-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ra1nb0w [n=davide@host111-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:20] r00tintheb0x: ssh does x forwarding [10:21] nealmcb, yeah i got it from Ubuntu+1 [10:21] thanks === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === lullabud [n=lullabud@12.24.42.67] has joined #ubuntu-server === Innatech [n=daf@netblock-72-25-97-119.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === r00tintheb0x [n=r00tinth@198.170.183.140] has joined #ubuntu-server === radevil [n=radevil@201.249.82.95] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:53] hello [11:53] Afternoon