[12:48] <robert> hello
[12:49] <robert> how do i find out what ethernet card i have
[12:51] <maxamillion> robert: enter the command "lspci | grep Ethernet" into a terminal window (without the quotes)(
[12:52] <robert> ty
[12:52] <maxamillion> anytime :)
[01:00] <robert> :)
[01:00] <robert> mm
[01:02] <robert> so thats the driver is uses to recognize my ethernet card?
[01:03] <crdlb> robert, what did it say?
[01:03] <maxamillion> robert: i don't think so ... i believe that is going to be the listing of the actual hardware as it is detected
[01:04] <crdlb> it's useful for determining the proper driver though
[01:04] <robert> it said  Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
[01:04] <crdlb> robert, e1000 iirc
[01:04] <robert> ..
[01:04] <robert> ?
[01:04] <robert> im sorry?
[01:05] <crdlb> I believe that card uses the e1000 driver
[01:05] <crdlb> (it's a kernel module)
[01:05] <maxamillion> robert: yeah, the listing you just showed is just the hardware and not the driver
[01:05] <robert> oh
[01:05] <robert> i need the driver
[01:05] <crdlb> actually it's probably e100
[01:05] <robert> because xp doesnt recognize it
[01:06] <maxamillion> robert: "lsmod | grep e1000"
[01:06] <robert> k
[01:06] <maxamillion> robert: wait ... the linux driver isn't going to help you windows xp install do anything
[01:06] <robert> cant i find an xp equivalent?
[01:06] <crdlb> robert, it will confirm the chipset though
[01:06] <maxamillion> LOL
[01:06] <robert> the prev command didnt do netin
[01:07] <crdlb> robert, do it again with e100
[01:07] <crdlb> lsmod|grep e100
[01:07] <maxamillion> robert: no, take the first out put and search google for "Intel Corporation  82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
[01:07] <maxamillion> +driver"
[01:07] <robert> e100                   38020  0
[01:07] <robert> mii                     6912  1 e100
[01:07] <crdlb> yep that's it
[01:07] <robert> ok
[01:08] <crdlb> it's the standard intel chipset
[01:08] <robert> now i need a driver for it?
[01:08] <maxamillion> robert: under linux? ... no, its already handled
[01:08] <maxamillion> robert: just configure and go
[01:08] <robert> i mean
[01:08] <robert> i need a driver for windows
[01:09] <somerville32> !windows
[01:09] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[01:10] <robert> ill check the mental institute.
[01:10] <somerville32> They're good like that
[01:10] <maxamillion> robert: http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/pro100ve/index.htm
[01:10] <robert> thanks, ill check it out
[01:11] <maxamillion> np
[01:12] <robert> crap
[01:13] <robert> i downloaded the driver
[01:13] <robert> and now i wana put it on a micro sd card
[01:13] <robert> but it wont let me write to it
[01:13] <maxamillion> robert: is it mounted?
[01:13] <robert> i just put it in my slot
[01:14] <maxamillion> robert: did it show up on the desktop as an icon?
[01:14] <robert> yes
[01:14] <robert> i can view the contents of it
[01:14] <maxamillion> robert: right click that icon and click "mount device" (or something like that)
[01:15] <robert> cant
[01:15] <maxamillion> huh .....
[01:15] <robert> no potion
[01:15] <robert> er
[01:15] <robert> oprtion*
[01:15] <maxamillion> rgr
[01:15] <robert> err
[01:15] <robert> option*
[01:17] <robert> mm
[01:17] <robert> it was writeable before
[01:17] <robert> then it stopped
[01:20] <robert> any ideas?
[01:21] <maxamillion> not really
[01:21] <robert> ouch
[01:21] <robert> mm
[01:23] <robert> it says its read-only
[01:25] <robert> do i need some kind of driver to recognize the microsd card?
[01:26] <maxamillion> robert: no, you shouldn't ... it should just be seen as a usb drive
[01:26] <robert> it does
[01:26] <robert> but i cant write
[01:27] <maxamillion> that's really strange ... it might have to do with the filesystem of the card
[01:28] <robert> mm
[01:28] <robert> alright thx
[01:28] <robert> brb
[02:40] <jcompton> Is there an easy way to get KDE 3.5.6 into Xubuntu 6.06? I'm only being offered 3.5.5 through Synaptic.
[03:07] <Jester45> Hello all
[03:08] <neozen> meep
[03:09] <jcompton> Hi. Since you two arrived after I asked the question... do you know an easy way to get KDE 3.5.6 into Xubuntu 6.06?
[03:11] <Jester45> iis that the version in the repos?
[03:11] <jcompton> Nope, Synaptic only offers me 3.5.5.
[03:11] <Jester45> !info KDE
[03:11] <ubotu> kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[03:12] <Jester45> well im not sure is 0.0.1 realy that mcuh better
[03:12] <Jester45> you might have to search for tird-party debs or compile your own
[03:12] <jcompton> Yeah, I know, I need it for a specific purpose. Trying to track down a potential app incompatibility with KDE. A colleague gets it to show up and he uses 3.5.6, I cannot reproduce it with 3.5.5.
[03:13] <neozen> jcompton: seems like you'd have to spend some quality time with google
[03:13] <jcompton> neo: Tried that before coming here, got no clear answers.
[03:28] <neozen> jcompton: bummer
[04:49] <Koba> Yo
[04:49] <Koba> Got a question for an xfce/xubuntu user
[04:50] <Koba> I have a pretty low end PC that I am setting up for the kids, it runs a 400MHz Intel Celeron with 64MB of internal RAM
[04:50] <Koba> the system specs say that xubuntu should install fine in low memory mode on 64MB of ram
[04:51] <Koba> but, I don't know why it isn't working, I am wondering is 64MB just won't cut it
[04:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Are you using the alternate cd?
[04:51] <Koba> Yeah
[04:51] <Koba> Pure install disc, not the desktop cd
[04:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> How far does it get?
[04:52] <Koba> I tried to install it in text mode, to save memory, but it seems to be the same as OEM mode
[04:52] <Koba> it gets to the detecting hardware part, then finishes, and just puts the cursor below the blue screen, and sits there
[04:52] <Koba> it has a 4GB partition
[04:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> OEM mode is likely not what you want.
[04:54] <Koba> I would put more RAM in it if it was that easy, but it takes PC100 notebook ram (its an old eMachine) so its very hard to find
[04:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> How long has it been at that stage?
[04:54] <Koba> Well, I selected text mode, and it booted up the same GUI-like installer as OEM mode does
[04:54] <Koba> I left it in that stage for about 10 minutes
[04:54] <Koba> and it was still the same
[04:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The installer uses the same interface, but OEM mode leaves a lot of the configuration for later when the 'buyer' sets up the machine.
[04:56] <Koba> oic, well I didn't know that, its always good to know these things :) thanks for that
[04:56] <Koba> But anyways
[04:57] <Koba> I was kinda thinking text mode installer like thge old slackware installer modes, where you could see all the output
[04:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you switch to a console, you may be able to see something.
[04:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (ctrl + alt + F1, same but with F7 to return)
[04:59] <Koba> Ah, you can do that? Well, makes sense, sinec the linux kernel is already loaded
[04:59] <Koba> since*
[05:49] <Koba> pumpernickel: Apparently crtl+alt+f1 doesn't woprk on the installer
[05:51] <tonyyarusso> I've heard that too
[05:52] <Koba> I just tried :\ Hmmm, I wanna know whats happenin while this is just sittin' here, I wonder if there was a hardware issue
[05:52] <maxamillion> Koba: on the feisty live cd installer?
[05:53] <Koba> edgy xubuntu altern cd
[05:53] <grazie> alt+f1
[05:53] <Koba> detects the hardware, then brings a cursor to the bottom of the screen, and sits
[05:53] <Koba> alt+f1 does nothing also
[05:54] <maxamillion> Koba: ctrl+alt+f1 is only for if you are switching to tty1 from X
[05:54] <grazie> alt+[f2-f6]  actually
[05:54] <maxamillion> oh ....
[05:54] <Koba> ok, i'll try that
[05:54] <maxamillion> yeah ... i think alt+f1 is either blank on the installer or is the tty the installer is using
[05:54] <grazie> yes
[05:55] <Koba> woot, alt+f2 worked
[05:55] <grazie> boot os using it
[05:55] <Koba> Wow, This is wierd
[05:55] <maxamillion> Koba: ?
[05:56] <Koba> Umm, boot the OS? This is the installer cd, not a live CD, also, this computer is running 64MB of RAM, on a Intel Celeron 400MHz (which apparently should install xubuntu fine)
[05:56] <maxamillion> Koba: yes, it should
[05:57] <Koba> i'm in busybox right now
[05:57] <Koba> And not really sure how to start the install via command line
[05:58] <grazie> Koba: don't you have the installer running already in alt+f1?
[05:59] <Koba> Well, I started the installer via text mode, then pressed alt+f2, and it loaded busybox
[05:59] <Koba> and yes, the installer is in alt+f1
[06:00] <Koba> busybox isn't showing output for anything I do in the installer either
[06:00] <grazie> alt+[f2-f6]  are alternate consoles...you don't want to start the installer twice!
[06:00] <Koba> No, I know that
[06:01] <Koba> but, for some odd reason, the installer stops after detecting the CD ROM stuff, and I can't see any output to see what went wrong
[06:01] <grazie> i don't i'm understanding the problem
[06:01] <grazie> din't think*
[06:02] <Koba> K, I start the installer, load it in text mode, pick my country, then my keyboard layout, then it does a detection for the CD ROM, then it brings the cursor to the bottom of the blue screen, and sits there doing nothing
[06:02] <maxamillion> Koba: sounds to me like your cd-rom isn't being detected by the kernel .... the bios knows its there and will boot from it but once the kernel loads and tries to look for it, it is unable to find it and then stops ... i had this problem with an older machine and the only distro i could find to boot on it was debian sarge (using a 2.4 kernel)
[06:02] <Koba> There must be some kind of error
[06:03] <grazie> i thought 96mb was the minimum ram requirement
[06:03] <Koba> the thing is, is it seems to go through the detection just fine
[06:03] <maxamillion> i believe it has something to with 2.6 dropping support for some legacy hardware
[06:03] <maxamillion> Koba: oh ...
[06:03] <Koba> No, the xubuntu site says 64MB will run it, but 128 is recommended
[06:04] <maxamillion> grazie: it will run on 64mb ... i've done it ... its slow, but it installs and runs
[06:04] <Koba> max: would you suggest any other linux distros for this low end computer? (preferably with apt-get, because there are some edubuntu apps that I want to run on it)
[06:04] <grazie> dsl
[06:05] <grazie> no apt-get though
[06:05] <Koba> dsl runs on this computer, I know that, but, dsl doesn't have apt-get does it
[06:05] <Koba> no
[06:05] <Koba> hm
[06:05] <grazie> i've never tried puppy
[06:06] <maxamillion> Koba: debian sarge .... debian invented apt, ubuntu only has apt because it is based on debian (just incase you didn't already know that)
[06:06] <Koba> yeah, I knew that, but its alright, your tryin' to help me, so its much appreciated
[06:07] <Koba> debian sarge huh, would there be any way  for me to get those edubuntu games onto sarge? (I'll get the names, hold on)
[06:08] <Koba> Gcompris, and tux4kids
[06:10] <maxamillion> Koba: ohhh ... let me check
[06:12] <Koba> k, gcompris works on debian
[06:13] <maxamillion> Koba: tux4kids is a no go on sarge ... probably on etch though, you could see if etch will install
[06:13] <Koba> etch?
[06:13] <Koba> I'm on the debian page, and all I see is the stable release
[06:13] <maxamillion> Koba: its debian's testing branch ... it will be stable release in a couple months
[06:14] <Koba> oh ok
[06:15] <pirea> Those maintainers would deprive the poor children of their tux4kids? :(
[06:15] <Koba> lol
[06:15] <maxamillion> Koba: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <--- etch release candidate 2 image
[06:16] <maxamillion> pirea: i don't think tux4kids existed when sarge repos went to a package freeze
[06:17] <grazie> i don't really know any games, but will those games run properly with low ram?
[06:17] <Koba> yeah...
[06:17] <Koba> Well, it's worth a try, I guess
[06:18] <pirea> I so forgot why I came in here... oh, where can you find daily snapshots again? :)
[06:18] <Koba> holy, etch is 3 DVD's large...?
[06:18] <grazie> get net-install cd
[06:19] <Koba> That would take a very long to install
[06:20] <grazie> not if you've got a good conection. it quicker than reading the cd usually
[06:21] <maxamillion> Koba: either get the net-install cd or get cd1 and cd2, those are all you need for install (if you just want minimal you can get away with cd1)
[06:22] <Koba> alright
[06:33] <Koba> what is DSL based on?
[06:34] <maxamillion> Koba: debian
[06:34] <maxamillion> Koba: well technically on knoppix, but knoppix is based on debian and DSL has a very stripped down version of the debian base system and thus apt doesn't fully work
[06:35] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: j0
[06:35] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  whats up player?
[06:35] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: homework up to my ears
[06:35] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  just made it back to houston
[06:36] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: if i post my xorg.conf i the paste bin do you think you could take a look at it
[06:36] <sigmamu188> oh
[06:36] <sigmamu188> lol
[06:36] <sigmamu188> never mind
[06:36] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  just read the line wrote
[06:36] <Koba> So, if I downloaded a debian version of gcompris, and compiled it on DSL, it would work?
[06:37] <grazie> Koba: is there no .deb package?
[06:37] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  whats the word on the beta? you think its stable enough for a novice like me?
[06:37] <maxamillion> Koba: in theory ... you might even be able to download a debian version of gcompris and just use dpkg to install ... dunno about dependencies though
[06:37] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, i run it at work right now (still use edgy at home though)
[06:37] <Koba> grazie: there might be, but sources always seem to work better
[06:38] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  any  conflicts with nvidia that you know of?
[06:38] <grazie> Koba: that's a low spec machine for compiling :(
[06:38] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: no, it has the new drivers too and include that tool i told you about ... I bet money the nvidia tool in feisty would fix your problem
[06:38] <Koba> grazie: I know
[06:38] <Koba> Not much you can really do with this machine
[06:38] <Koba> but it was free (for a reason)
[06:39] <Koba> runs windows 98, but I hate windows, and windows hates children
[06:39] <sigmamu188> !beta
[06:39] <ubotu> Download Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.
[06:40] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  can i upgrade though terminal or do i need to download and burn it to a cd?
[06:41] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: you can upgrade through terminal ... just open your /etc/apt/sources.list file and change ever instance of "edgy" to "feisty" and do "sudo aptitude update" then "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" then reboot and do "sudo aptitude upgrade" and that will upgrade you to feisty system, reboot and then upgrade all the applications
[06:45] <sigmamu188> here goes nothing
[06:45] <Koba> is there a command to check which HDA drives are available?
[06:45] <Koba> and how big they are?
[06:46] <rici> anyone got a pointer on thunderbird sometimes pegging the CPU? Actually, it's xorg which pegs, but it only happens when i'm typing in the subject line in thunderbird.
[06:47] <sigmamu188> rici:  i never get that problem
[06:47] <grazie> Koba: df -h
[06:48] <maxamillion> rici: no clue but i have noticed firefox do that from time to time ... i hope it was fixed in the recent update
[06:48] <Koba> grazie: hm, dsl doesn't seem to have my hard drive in the fstab
[06:48] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  what is the hd command?
[06:49] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  i typed it in on a whim and it returned a blank line
[06:49] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: or rather what dose it do?
[06:49] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: what hd command?
[06:49] <rici> maxamillion: it happens occasionally in ff too but only when i have acrobat running; i kinda expect that sort of thing from acrobat
[06:49] <rici> but with thunderbird it's consistent.
[06:49] <grazie> Koba: don't understand you
[06:49] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  type "hd" into terminal
[06:49] <maxamillion> rici: oooh, yeah ... i would bet that's accrobat
[06:50] <Koba> grazie: Umm, when I use df -h, there is no hda listed
[06:50] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: that's a hexdump command ... why on earth would you do that?
[06:50] <grazie> Koba: is dsl installed or live cd?
[06:50] <Koba> live cd
[06:50] <Koba> I am trying to install it
[06:50] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  i dont know, curiosity. what did i just do?
[06:50] <grazie> Koba: odd!
[06:51] <rici> sigmamu188: you asked for a hexadecimal dump of what you were about to type
[06:52] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: i tend to learn things the hard way, so if i didn't type anything it didnt do anything.
[06:52] <Koba> grazie: Yeah, I know
[06:52] <sigmamu188> maxamillion:  when you react like that you make me think i fried something
[06:52] <grazie> Koba: I'm just booting dsl under vbox to check
[06:52] <rici> perhaps your expectations
[06:52] <sigmamu188> grazie:  dsl rocks
[06:53] <sigmamu188> grazie:  for jump drive apps
[06:53] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: uhmmm.... use man pages to learn, its sager
[06:53] <maxamillion> safer(
[06:53] <maxamillion> **
[06:53] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: do "man <command>" in the terminal
[06:53] <Koba> sigmamu188: Yeah, i'm trying to do a HDD install of DSL right now, but its fighting me
[06:53] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: it tells you about it and how to use it
[06:54] <sigmamu188> Koba:  i did that a long time ago
[06:54] <sigmamu188> Koba:  that was the first install of linux i ever did on my old old dell
[06:55] <grazie> Koba: you're right ..it does auto detect the hd...you'll need to manually mount the partitions
[06:55] <Koba> uhg, the mouse is so unsensative in DSL too... If I don't move it fast, it won't move at all
[06:55] <sigmamu188> Koba:  is it wireless?
[06:55] <Koba> grazie: DO you think you could help me in mounting those partitions?
[06:55] <Koba> sigmamu188: nope, its an old eMachine eOne 433
[06:56] <sigmamu188> Koba: that might be the problem
[06:56] <Koba> oh, you mean the mouse?
[06:56] <Koba> no, its a wired nexxtech
[06:56] <sigmamu188> Koba: i had no problems with a logitech hard wired mouse
[06:56] <sigmamu188> Koba:  lazer
[06:56] <Koba> yep its laser
[06:56] <Koba> wired laser nexxtech
[06:56] <sigmamu188> hmm
[06:56] <sigmamu188> Koba:  no clue then
[06:58] <grazie> Koba: could do...fdisk -l
[06:58] <grazie> Koba: pastebin the output
[06:58] <grazie> !pastebin | Koba
[06:58] <ubotu> Koba: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:58] <Koba> I know what pastebin is :)
[06:58] <Koba> but the output is one line
[06:59] <grazie> ok#
[06:59] <Koba> Cannot open /dev/hda
[06:59] <sigmamu188> Koba: is it ide
[06:59] <Koba> it is
[07:00] <sigmamu188> Koba: how many partitions?
[07:00] <Koba> 2
[07:00] <Koba> one is a fat32, and the other is a ext3
[07:00] <sigmamu188> Koba: try hda1 and hda2
[07:01] <sigmamu188> Koba: also i think dsl has gparted intigrated
[07:01] <sigmamu188> integrated*
[07:01] <Koba> gparted command not found
[07:01] <sigmamu188> maybe parted
[07:01] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: no, i don't think dsl has gparted ... its a pretty heavy app
[07:01] <sigmamu188> hmmmm
[07:02] <maxamillion> ohhh ... maybe the cli parted, that's possible
[07:02] <Koba> nope
[07:02] <sigmamu188> Koba: if dsl is connecting to the network you could install gparted
[07:03] <sigmamu188> dl / install
[07:03] <grazie> not recommended from live cd!
[07:03] <grazie> Koba: mount /dev/hda2 /dev/hd
[07:03] <grazie> Koba: mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hd
[07:04] <sigmamu188> grazie: thanks its been almost a year since i last ran DSL
[07:04] <sigmamu188> grazie: never a live cd just a jumpdrive
[07:04] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: if its been a year since you ran it, alot has changed ;)
[07:04] <Koba> grazie: the second one worked!
[07:05] <Koba> I had to use sudo to do it, but it worked!
[07:05] <grazie> sigmamu188: what is jumpdrive (must be an american term)
[07:05] <grazie> df -h
[07:05] <Koba> yup, I see it
[07:05] <sigmamu188> grazie: flash drive
[07:05] <Koba> hda2 4.4G
[07:05] <sigmamu188> grazie: or memory stick
[07:05] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: jump drive is just a brand of flash drive made by the company lexar (iirc)
[07:05] <sigmamu188> grazie: usually usb
[07:06] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: i guess that makes it kinda like making a xerox
[07:06] <sigmamu188> lol
[07:07] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: btw thanks for the clue on making keyboard shortcuts
[07:07] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: np, makes life easier doesn't it
[07:07] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: a million times
[07:10] <Koba> btw, thanks a ton for all the help you guys have given me, its very much appreciated
[07:10] <maxamillion> Koba: that's what we're here for :)
[07:10] <sigmamu188> Koba: if not for this chanel i would never have gotten linux working
[07:11] <Koba> :)
[07:11] <sigmamu188> Koba: well that and max, lol
[07:11] <maxamillion> i do only what i can ;)
[07:11] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: unpacking the dist-upgrade
[07:12] <sigmamu188> i learn so much just be staying logged in and reading about other peoples issues and fixes
[07:13] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: you should join ubuntuforums.org ... that's a good place too
[07:14] <sigmamu188> last night i was actually able to help someone, that made me feel like im starting move away from novice
[07:14] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: i'm still a novice ;)
[07:15] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: that makes me feel like a total noob
[07:15] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: i will move away from novice when i start maintaining packages ... then go pro when i am a core-dev :)
[07:15] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: naw, you are an eager to learn beginner novice ... i've just been a novice for the better part of a decade now
[07:16] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: well atleast i know who to call when i cant get something working the way i want
[07:16] <sigmamu188> lol
[07:17] <Koba> dsl successfully installed on HDA2 :P
[07:18] <Koba> now, network... this is gunna be fun...
[07:18] <maxamillion> grazie: sooo true, that was something i truely realised when i got into college
[07:18] <grazie> Koba: congratulations...oops I thought this was #xubuntu :(
[07:18] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: you use the same sn on the forum?
[07:19] <sigmamu188> this is #xubuntu
[07:19] <Koba> grazie: well my original focus was to install xubuntu
[07:19] <maxamillion> Koba: use the DSL net config tool ... i know almost zero about it but someone in #dsl might be of better assistance
[07:19] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: digital sarcasm
[07:19] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah
[07:19] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: i use the same sn almost everywhere
[07:20] <maxamillion> grazie: please be more polite to users, a simple suggestion that someone in #dsl being able to further assist would have sufficed
[07:25] <Koba> heh
[07:25] <sigmamu188> Koba: hows the networking comming?
[07:26] <Koba> Well, I plugged the cable into the router, that helped alot
[07:26] <Koba> lmao
[07:26] <grazie> lol
[07:26] <Koba> I was like *slaps head*
[07:26] <sigmamu188> YEAH dist-update time for reboot! beb
[07:26] <sigmamu188> brb
[07:26] <grazie> sigmamu188: why?
[07:27] <grazie> new kernel?
[07:27] <sigmamu188> yea the beta install
[07:27] <sigmamu188> brb
[07:27] <sigmamu188> sudo shutdown now -r
[07:27] <sigmamu188> opps
[07:27] <sigmamu188> lol
[07:27] <sigmamu188> sorry
[07:30] <peweeh> how do i disable the mouseover-panel-tooltip thingie? :) counteracts w/ beryl's window preview
[07:31] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: now sudo aptitude upgrade?
[07:32] <sigmamu188> brb
[07:35] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: sudo aptitude update ... then sudo aptitude upgrade
[07:35] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: then you should get all the upgraded applications
[07:36] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: thnks
[07:36] <peweeh> whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude anyway? little sidekick..
[07:37] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: np
[07:38] <sigmamu188> all you base are belong to us
[07:38] <sigmamu188> brb reboot
[07:39] <maxamillion> peweeh: aptitude checks for dependencies better, it also is able to resolve dependencies, it auto installs and auto-removes dependencies .... its kinda apt-get's big brother, first came apt-get and then aptitude and i think some of the developers work on both (but i could be wrong about that)
[07:39] <maxamillion> peweeh: go into #debian and do "!dpkg why aptitude" ... their bot has a good way of wording it
[07:41] <sigmamu188> updating programs
[07:41] <sigmamu188> done,
[07:42] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah ... did you get the different nvidia splash screen this time?
[07:42] <sigmamu188> yes
[07:42] <sigmamu188> the black w/ green?
[07:42] <sigmamu188> it spanned both moniters
[07:42] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: ok, then do "sudo nvidia-settings" and edit your stuff in there
[07:42] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah, that's the new splash that comes with the new drivers
[07:43] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: there should be a section in there to set monitor 0 and 1
[07:44] <peweeh> maxamillion: thanks :)
[07:45] <sigmamu188> sync to this display device?
[07:45] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: sure, i don't really remember ... i used it for my dual monitor setup at work a while back
[07:45] <maxamillion> peweeh: no problem :)
[07:46] <sigmamu188> do i need to restart x?
[07:46] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: yeah
[07:47] <sigmamu188> thats what i thought
[07:47] <sigmamu188> brb
[07:49] <peweeh> maxamillion: you know how synaptic manages it? is it a frontend for aptitude or apt-get?
[07:49] <peweeh> or neither.. :)
[07:49] <peweeh> ..just trying to understand the sys i'm using hehe
[07:49] <grazie> !synaptic
[07:49] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[07:50] <maxamillion> peweeh: i think it might be neither, i believe its a package manager all its own that also just interfaces with the apt system ... but if it is a front end i would say it front ends apt-get just from the output i have seen it produce
[07:54] <rici> maxamillion: painful though it is to semi-contradict you: " Synaptic  is  a  frontend for the apt package managent system." according to man synaptic
[07:54] <rici> unfortunate typo there
[07:54] <maxamillion> rici: that doesn't contradict me ... i said i believe its a package manager all its own that also just interfaces with the apt system
[07:55] <maxamillion> rici: aptitude and apt-get both interface with apt for package management
[07:55] <rici> yes, that's why it was a semi-contradiction.
[07:55] <maxamillion> ahhh :P
[07:56] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: i like the beta
[07:56] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: seems to load faster
[07:56] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: me too ... i plan to start doing hard core bug triage with the testing team over the next few weeks when i can get the time to make sure our release is uber stable
[07:57] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: so if i get a crash write it down and let you know?
[07:58] <sigmamu188> brb snack time
[08:02] <Koba> uhg, DSL should be auto detecting my DHCP network, but it isn't... and #dsl is dead :\
[08:02] <Koba> well, not dead, but everyone is idling
[08:02] <Koba> I know thats no reason to come here and bother you guys, but i'm at a loss here
[08:03] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: uhmmm... yeah, you could do that or go to http://www.xubuntu.org/news/feisty_beta and read the links related to bug reporting :)
[08:11] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: cool
[08:11] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: ;)
[08:12] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: keep an eye on the xubuntu.org site about a week after feisty goes stable ... we have big plans for a complete overhaul
[08:13] <sigmamu188> maxamillion: on the site or the dist?
[08:13] <sigmamu188> Koba: is it detecting your network card?
[08:14] <Koba> No, just looked and there is no light on the LEDs on the network card
[08:14] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: the site
[08:14] <Koba> So, it might be a hardware issue
[08:14] <sigmamu188> Koba: are you plugged into the router?
[08:14] <maxamillion> Koba: open a terminal and type "lspci | grep Ethernet"
[08:14] <Koba> k
[08:14] <sigmamu188> Koba: it could be a driver issue
[08:14] <maxamillion> Koba: (without the quotes)
[08:15] <Koba> well, yeah I know not to use the quotes :P
[08:15] <maxamillion> Koba: just checking .... you'd be surprised ;)
[08:15] <Koba> Yeah, I understand totally
[08:16] <sigmamu188> i made that mistake once
[08:16] <sigmamu188> lol
[08:16] <Koba> :P
[08:16] <hyper_ch> hiho
[08:16] <maxamillion> hiya hyper_ch
[08:16] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: you're always here?
[08:17] <sigmamu188> hyper_ch: good evening
[08:17] <Koba> k, max, I typed that, and it didn't have any output
[08:17] <hyper_ch> evening? :( early morning and I have to go to uni soon :(
[08:17] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i try to be :)
[08:17] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i am here while i am at work and i am here right now because i am at home doing homework
[08:17] <sigmamu188> uts 0120 where i am
[08:18] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: same here .... you know, a whole hour up the road
[08:18] <sigmamu188> ugg i have to get up in 4.4 hours
[08:18] <sigmamu188> lol
[08:18] <hyper_ch> CET 08:20
[08:18] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: i have to get up at 7 ... class from 8am-1pm, then work from 1-7pm
[08:18] <Koba> maxamillion: And after I used that command, I used ifconfig, and it shows a 127.0.0.1 as the IP
[08:19] <maxamillion> Koba: that's just the lo ... do "ifconfig -a" and see if you get a eth0 listing
[08:19] <hyper_ch> hmmm, if that doesn't return anything... hmmm, then you have a problem
[08:19] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:~/Appz/MP3$ lspci | grep Ethernet
[08:19] <hyper_ch> 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II]  (rev 78)
[08:19] <Koba> same thing
[08:19] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: already told him to use that command ;)
[08:19] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I know
[08:19] <Koba> it doesn't output anything
[08:20] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: just showing him again... maybe he got a typo
[08:20] <Koba> that lspci command
[08:20] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: ooohhhh ok
[08:21] <maxamillion>  < maxamillion> Koba: open a terminal and type "lspci | grep Ethernet"
[08:21] <maxamillion> Koba: and then i mentioned the quotes and you remarked that you knew not to use them
[08:21] <Koba> outputs nothing :)
[08:21] <maxamillion> Koba: yeah, then it isn't detected
[08:22] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: then there is a problem
[08:22] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: that there is
[08:22] <sigmamu188> driver issue?
[08:22] <hyper_ch> Koba: is it a 1gb card?
[08:22] <Koba> i'm not sure, its a eMachine eOne 433, the network card is inside the machine
[08:23] <maxamillion> sigmamu188: possibly
[08:23] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... i'm off to bed, i am at a solid stopping point for my homework for the evening
[08:23] <maxamillion> be back tomorrow
[08:23] <hyper_ch> so, gotta go working... cya
[08:24] <sigmamu188> let me see if i can find a driver for you
[08:26] <Koba> sigmamu188: :O really? thanks buddy
[08:29] <Koba> windows 98 doesn't even find the card...
[08:29] <sigmamu188> hmm
[08:29] <sigmamu188> might be a bad card
[08:30] <sigmamu188> Koba: is it enabled in the bios?
[08:30] <Koba> lemme check
[08:32] <Koba> Hm, there is no option for the network in the bios
[08:32] <Koba> PhoenixBIOS
[08:32] <sigmamu188> hmm
[08:33] <sigmamu188> it might be a bad card
[08:33] <Koba> wait
[08:33] <Koba> there it is
[08:33] <Koba> it was diabled
[08:33] <sigmamu188> ah ha!
[08:33] <sigmamu188> enable it
[08:33] <Koba> sigmamu188, if I could hug you, lol
[08:34] <sigmamu188> Koba: im just trying to repay what i owe to this chatroom
[08:34] <sigmamu188> or thinktank as i like to think
[08:34] <Koba> YES!!!, eth0 DHCP!!!
[08:35] <sigmamu188> Koba:  sweet!
[08:35] <sigmamu188> Koba: so i am to assume you can now access the net?
[08:35] <Koba> I think so, lemme test
[08:36] <Koba> oh wth? lspci | grep Ethernet gives me the name of my network card, and ifconfig -a gives me a bunch of data on eth0, but firefox and dillo can't access the web
[08:37] <sigmamu188> hmmm
[08:39] <sigmamu188> ok open the dsl control panel
[08:39] <Koba> k
[08:39] <sigmamu188> netcardconfig
[08:39] <Koba> I just tried netcardconfig, and it failed sending the DHCP thing
[08:40] <Koba> the DHCP broadcast
[08:40] <sigmamu188> wlanconfig
[08:40] <sigmamu188> try that
[08:40] <sigmamu188> see what options it gives you
[08:41] <sigmamu188> oh i think that might just be wireless config
[08:41] <Koba> yep
[08:41] <sigmamu188> is your network dhcp being assigned through you router
[08:42] <Koba> I have DHCP enabled yes
[08:42] <sigmamu188> try netcardconfig again
[08:43] <peweeh> how do i change the standard character encoding from UTF-8 to ISO-8859-2? :)
[08:43] <sigmamu188> no clue
[08:46] <sigmamu188> Koba: ok i really sorry but i need to get some sleep, you best bet is to either keep messing with it or look at the faq and wiki
[08:47] <ormiret> peweeh: change you're locale
[08:47] <Koba> Its alright sigmamu188, you have helped alot, get some rest :P
[08:47] <sigmamu188> ill be back tomorrow night, good luck to you Koba.
[08:47] <Koba> thanks
[08:47] <sigmamu188> any time
[09:53] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:54] <MaxFrames> i am unable to upgrade xubuntu 6.06 to 6.10... when I run the update manager I get an error "Could not calculate the upgrade...an unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade... please report this bug [etc etc] "
[09:55] <MaxFrames> this happens right after the update manager goes into the "fetching and installing the upgrades" phase
[09:58] <MaxFrames> from a search with google I gather this is a bug, but I haven't been able to find a solution
[10:06] <grazie> MaxFrames: never done dapper to edgy upgrade, but I believe there were problems initially. I'm sure the problems are all resolved now though
[10:07] <grazie> MaxFrames: have tried using aptitude or synaptic or apt-get instead?
[10:07] <grazie> have you*
[10:07] <MaxFrames> right now i'm trying this:
[10:07] <MaxFrames> http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/10/howto-upgrade-ubuntu-dapper-to-edgy-eft.html
[10:08] <MaxFrames> ...and it certainly is doing something... let's keep fingers crossed....
[10:09] <MaxFrames> from what i understand, it changed something in the sources.list file to point to the edgy eft distro
[10:09] <MaxFrames> then it called for the upgrade
[10:10] <MaxFrames> right now it's at about 20% into getting the packages
[10:10] <grazie> well changing /etc/apt/sources.list to edgy is mandatory now matter which way you do it :)
[10:11] <grazie> sounds good
[10:12] <MaxFrames> so it looks like I sorta forced it to do what it was supposed to do automatically
[10:13] <MaxFrames> (sorry... i'm a noob)
[10:14] <grazie> not sure what you mean by automatically, but /etc/apt/sources.list always needs updating on a release upgrade
[10:22] <darrend_laptop> !dhclient
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dhclient - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:24] <mark487> i'm looking for some help w/ grub.  anyone game?
[10:27] <MaxFrames> grazie: i mean by just running the GUI update manager
[10:30] <grazie> MaxFrames: the update manager will never upgrade to a new release (like dapper to edgy) unless you specifically make it do so by updating sources.list
[10:31] <graabein> hi. what programs do you prefer for ipod playback and tagging?
[10:31] <MaxFrames> but in xubuntu there seems to be some kind of upgrade wizard....
[10:31] <MaxFrames> it says "a distribution upgrade is available" and there is a button to start the upgrade
[10:31] <MaxFrames> strange that a manual intervention is needed before that
[10:32] <MaxFrames> and yet this seems to be the case
[10:33] <grazie> MaxFrames: ah, I'm afraid I know nothing of the wizard (didn't even know of its existance) ... you could well be right
[10:34] <MaxFrames> it's probably a bug in the wizard... it doesn't update the sources list before attempting to retrieve the packages
[10:35] <MaxFrames> so it tries to fetch them from the dapper sources
[10:36] <MaxFrames> dammit.... it failed :(((
[10:37] <MaxFrames> "failed to fetch http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libchewing/libchewing3-data_0.3.0.1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[10:38] <MaxFrames> "E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?"
[10:39] <grazie> MaxFrames: that looks like a mirror server problem....do you have alternative mirrors?
[10:41] <MaxFrames> i'm afraid the sources.list is wrong
[10:41] <MaxFrames> i am on xubuntu
[10:41] <MaxFrames> the sources.list says deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubunty edgy....
[10:42] <grazie> all ubuntu distros share the same repos
[10:42] <MaxFrames> ok
[10:44] <MaxFrames> so what do i have to do to resume the upgrade?
[10:46] <grazie> !mirrors
[10:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:47] <grazie> MaxFrames: you change the server that is giving you problems in sources.list to an alternative mirror listed at the above link
[10:48] <grazie> MaxFrames: or wait until the server is sorted
[10:48] <MaxFrames> ok.... it seems to have resumed
[10:49] <grazie> it happems :)
[10:51] <MaxFrames> some messages I see are scary
[10:51] <MaxFrames> "dependency problems--- upgrading anyway as you request"
[10:53] <MaxFrames> i give up... there just is no way to learn linux hands on, one has to study (a lot) before even booting it for the first time
[11:00] <MaxFrames> uh oh
[11:01] <MaxFrames> "configuration file "/etc/login.defs" modified by you or by a script since installation;package distributor has shipped an updated version
[11:02] <MaxFrames> "what would you like to do? install the package maintainer version/keep the current version?"
[11:04] <MaxFrames> i'll install the new version
[11:32] <Naughtyboy> lo lads...
[11:33] <Naughtyboy> does any1 know how to remowe the "trashcan" functionallity...
[11:33] <Naughtyboy> s that the files gets deletetd directly
[11:36] <MaxFrames> lol... i'd like to know how to "enable" the trashcan! :D
[11:46] <Seth_S> How do I get a numbered desktop switcher instead of the graphical pager?
[11:51] <MaxFrames> lol... i'm almost finished upgrading from dapper to edgy and the desktop icons are continuously changing in colour and aspect as I watch :D
[11:52] <MaxFrames> "pick a theme and stay with it, tux" :P
[11:53] <Seth_S> !help
[11:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:53] <Seth_S> !desktop-switcher
[12:01] <Naughtyboy> MaxFrames, : how come you're upgrading to edgy now when fiesty is around the corner..?
[12:01] <MaxFrames> just for kicks
[12:01] <MaxFrames> i'm trashing an old pc in order to get to grips with linux
[12:02] <MaxFrames> i installed dapper months ago, and never was able to upgrade to edgy
[12:02] <MaxFrames> today I decided I had to win.
[12:03] <MaxFrames> there is a problem now though
[12:03] <MaxFrames> now, if i launch update manager, i get a "not all updates can be installed"
[12:04] <MaxFrames> "run a distibution upgrade, to install as many updates as possible"
[12:04] <MaxFrames> "This can be caused by an uncompleted upgrade, unofficial software packages or by running a development version"
[12:04] <MaxFrames> i did not intentionally do any of these :/
[12:05] <Naughtyboy> ok..
[12:05] <MaxFrames> so now i'm stuck... no more updates?
[12:05] <Naughtyboy> not good
[12:06] <ormiret> MaxFrames: get a terminal and run 'sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' and see what it says is actually causing problems.
[12:07] <MaxFrames> ok
[12:09] <MaxFrames> there is a number of problems... in the end, it tells me that score is -24 and asks me if i accept the proposed solution
[12:09] <MaxFrames> of course i answer Y...
[12:09] <ormiret> copy the output to pastebin and I'll check and see it isn't going to remove anything important :)
[12:10] <MaxFrames> dang... too late :D
[12:10] <ormiret> that's the other way of finding out I supose :)
[12:10] <MaxFrames> yes, I actually don't care too much if I'll have to reinstall... I want to learn
[12:12] <MaxFrames> looks like it worked
[12:13] <MaxFrames> update manager is now downloading a new xubuntu-desktop pkg
[12:18] <MaxFrames> there is still an error
[12:18] <MaxFrames> "could not download all repository indexes"
[12:19] <MaxFrames> "check... the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences"
[12:19] <MaxFrames> then it says this:
[12:19] <MaxFrames> "cdrom:[Xubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_...." etc etc
[12:19] <MaxFrames> like it was still pointing to 6.06
[12:20] <ormiret> how did you change from dapper to edgy?
[12:20] <grazie> MaxFrames: I'm not saying update manager is crap, but is possibly the worst ubuntu tool to manage your packages and has had really big problems
[12:21] <MaxFrames> ormiret: i followed this link
[12:21] <MaxFrames> http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/10/howto-upgrade-ubuntu-dapper-to-edgy-eft.html
[12:23] <ormiret> right, that'll leave the dapper disk as a repository but trying to look for edgy packages on it. Take out the cdrom: line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:24] <MaxFrames> ok
[12:25] <MaxFrames> good! no more error messages
[12:25] <ormiret> excellent \o/
[12:26] <MaxFrames> yet.... there is a "xubuntu-desktop" listed in the available updates panel, but it's greyed out and update manager says "no available updates"
[12:26] <MaxFrames> that's the package i just installed... or at least i thought i'd installed it
[12:28] <MaxFrames> I also notice that update manager does not prompt me for a password when I run it... it did before under dapper
[12:29] <ormiret> hmm, possibly not excellent then. I'm not familiar with update-manager so don't actually know what that means, try aptitude again from the command line
[12:29] <ormiret> It should prompt you for a password once and then again if you don't do anything for long enough.
[12:30] <MaxFrames> lol
[12:30] <MaxFrames> still a bunch of issues
[12:30] <MaxFrames> my score is now -283 :D
[12:32] <ormiret> that's getting worse
[12:32] <MaxFrames> good... all sorted, no errors, no warnings, everybody happy now :)
[12:32] <MaxFrames> the second dist-upgrade worked
[12:33] <ormiret> yeah it sometimes take a couple of runs to get all the dependencies sorted
[12:34] <ormiret> just check you've still got xubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <MaxFrames> the available updates list is now empty
[12:34] <MaxFrames> i think it was installed
[12:35] <ormiret> aptitude wil remove things to resolve conflicts though, 'aptitude show xubuntu-desktop' will give you a state for it.
[12:36] <MaxFrames> state: not installed :(
[12:37] <MaxFrames> so? apt-get xubuntu-desktop?
[12:37] <ormiret> 'sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop' to have a go installing it
[12:38] <ormiret> aptitude is better at figuring out a useful solution to conflicts
[12:38] <MaxFrames> didn't work... it's still not installed
[12:39] <ormiret> what output did you get trying to install it? (put the whole lot in pastebin)
[12:40] <MaxFrames> !pastebin
[12:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:42] <MaxFrames> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12901/
[12:43] <ormiret> try removing libxine-main1 and trying again.
[12:44] <MaxFrames> er... how do i do that? :P
[12:44] <ormiret> 'sudo aptitude remove libxine-main1'
[12:45] <MaxFrames> now it says that xfmedia is broken as well, and asks if i want to remove it
[12:46] <ormiret> yes, it'll be pulled back in when you install xubuntu-desktop
[12:47] <MaxFrames> so let's try to reinstall xubuntu desktop
[12:49] <MaxFrames> :)
[12:50] <graabein> i can't see the boot splash mouse on startup... what boot option is this? vga?
[12:50] <alben> splash
[12:51] <MaxFrames> "splash screen"
[12:52] <alben> vmlinuz-2.6.17-11-generic root=/dev/mapper/root quiet ro splash acpi=force
[12:52] <alben> that's my
[12:52] <graabein> i have edited the #defoptions line, is that wrong? looks commented out
[12:53] <alben> one cross mans that it will be parsed, two ## are comments
[12:53] <graabein> okay so it's the right line
[12:53] <MaxFrames> thanks everybody, now my edgy is running fine :)
[12:54] <ormiret> you can enjoy it for a couple of weeks and then upgrade to feisty :)
[12:54] <alben> does somebody know if it will be possible to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 or at least from 7.04 beta to non beta?
[12:55] <alben> without reinstalling
[12:55] <grazie> MaxFrames: that was a lot harder than it should have been....but good experience no doubt
[12:55] <ormiret> alben: it will certainly be possible, if you've customised the setup of your system a lot it might need a bit of coaxing.
[12:55] <grazie> alben: I've just done it as a test
[12:56] <grazie> alben: ended up with 400/500mb of extra disk space though and I haven't figure out why yet
[12:59] <alben> how does the upgrade run? out of the installed system or from live-cd?
[01:00] <ormiret> in the installed system, from beta to release it comes through normal updates, from edgy to feisty you cahnge the repositories your using and then update.
[01:02] <grazie> alben: you can also use the alternate cd (but not live) to upgrade rather than re-install
[01:03] <grazie> alben: using the cd as a repo of course
[01:04] <MaxFrames> ormiret: do you think my PC (pIII 733, 128 MB RAM) would be able to run feisty?
[01:05] <MaxFrames> uh... bbl... boss calling
[01:07] <alben> i like also fresh installs but i don't want to loose everything and my partitions a crypted
[01:10] <grazie> alben: do you a
[01:11] <grazie> alben: do you have a separate /home parition (got interupted)
[01:12] <grazie> partition (oh dear)
[01:12] <alben> yes /home /boot / and /keys at boot time
[01:16] <grazie> well that makes a fresh install much less hassle. all you need to do is reinstall the apps you like and keep as much as possible of your /etc config
[01:20] <alben> i think i know what you mean. on my notebook there aren't many changes in /etc. maybe only xorg.conf, fstab and some crypt stuff.
[01:21] <alben> but i'm not sure if i can boot into my crypted system and upgrade out of there without ang chroot stuff
[01:22] <alben> (any)
[03:28] <squirrelpimp> hi
[03:29] <squirrelpimp> i just read about unclutter in debaday... where in xubuntu is the preferred place for such a tool to be entered to be autostarted?
[04:00] <enderxim> I'm having troubing with xfburn. It will not recognize my dvd-r as such, and won't let me, in preferences, select that it can burn to dvd, only cd. Any suggestions to fix this?
[04:02] <maxamillion> enderxim: use something other than xfburn, it was removed after dapper because it ended up causing so many problems .... try out graveman or gnomebaker
[04:02] <enderxim> maxamillion, Removed? I'm running feisty, it's installed by default.
[04:03] <maxamillion> enderxim: really?
[04:03] <maxamillion> -y +u
[04:03] <maxamillion> .... so it is
[04:03] <maxamillion> well it wasn't there in edgy (irrc)
[04:03] <maxamillion> iirc*
[04:04] <enderxim> maxamillion, I didn't use xubuntu in edgy, I switched after the upgrade, so I wouldn't know. Ok, I'll try graveman
[04:04] <enderxim> maxamillion, Thank you
[04:04] <maxamillion> enderxim: no problem :) ... sorry i was wrong about that, but now i know :)
[04:05] <gpocentek> it was in edgy
[04:05] <enderxim> maxamillion, I just think it's odd, that xfburn causes me these headaches, and gnomebaker does not. They are both frontends to cdrecord right?
[04:05] <maxamillion> gpocentek: was it really?
[04:06] <maxamillion> enderxim: i believe so, but i think xfburn has some stability issues to be honest
[04:06] <enderxim> maxamillion, I see. Well, I'll remember that. graveman is working out pretty well so far.
[04:07] <gpocentek> maxamillion: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/metapackages/xubuntu-desktop, check the deps
[04:07] <maxamillion> gpocentek: rgr ...
[04:09] <maxamillion> for some reason i thought Jani decided to take it out because the user base had so many issues with it
[04:11] <enderxim> That may explain all shiny new coasters I've made that should have been ubuntu install cd's. I seemed to have a LOT more trouble than I should have.
[04:26] <maxamillion> j1mc: ping
[04:26] <maxamillion> errr...
[04:51] <Naughtyboy> any1 know how to disble/remove "trashcan" ....in Fiesty ..??
[04:52] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: completely remove it?
[04:53] <MaxFrames> back
[04:53] <MaxFrames> how do I display the trash bin on the desktop rather than in the xfce panel?
[04:54] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: what version of xubuntu are you running?
[04:54] <MaxFrames> edgy
[04:54] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : well..I thought of that to...but if I remove it and it doesn't work as intended...then I'm not sure how to ge t it back
[04:55] <Naughtyboy> I wan't it to completly remove tha filse...instead of putting them i trashcan
[04:56] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: oh ... that to my knowledge is only possible through the command line (the general community requested it be the way it is with the trash can so that's what the developers did)
[04:58] <Naughtyboy> hmm...FFS....I hate it.....crap IMHO
[04:58] <Naughtyboy> anyway..thnx for the headsup
[05:00] <MaxFrames> so is it possible to have the bin on the desktop?
[05:00] <grazie> Naughtyboy: in thunar shift+delete should delete permanently (bypass trash)
[05:01] <grazie> MaxFrames: yes, but I don't know how without looking it up. You'd need to tweak your xfce config files
[05:01] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: yeah, I just can't seem to remember
[05:02] <MaxFrames> strange place to put a recycle bin
[05:03] <Naughtyboy> grazie,..ahaa...very nice...atleast something..
[05:03] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: its on the desktop by default in Fesity
[05:03] <maxamillion> Feisty*
[05:03] <MaxFrames> good reason to upgrade :P
[05:04] <grazie> Naughtyboy: np :)
[05:04] <maxamillion> MaxFrames: ;)
[05:07] <Naughtyboy> one other that bugs me a bit in xfce4.4 is that the removed the compositor shadow under the panels and borderless open windows on the desktop...
[05:28] <MaxFrames> mm... where's the firewall in edgy?
[05:30] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: build in into kernel
[05:31] <MaxFrames> i mean i can't find the options
[05:31] <TheSheep> ~firewall
[05:31] <TheSheep> !firewall | MaxFrames
[05:31] <ubotu> MaxFrames: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:31] <MaxFrames> ok, so no GUI in xfce
[05:32] <TheSheep> you don't usually need to change the settings for a desktop
[05:32] <TheSheep> and if it's a server, then you prefer config files anyways
[05:32] <MaxFrames> i'd want to share a smb folder for windows lan clients to use
[05:33] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: just configure your samba
[05:33] <TheSheep> !samba
[05:33] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:43] <johnnybigoode> ping ?
[05:44] <somerville32> pong
[05:45] <maxamillion> ACK
[05:45] <maxamillion> :P
[05:45] <johnnybigoode> sorry, first time on irc, just wanted to know if this thing actually works
[05:46] <maxamillion> johnnybigoode: sure does :)
[05:46] <maxamillion> johnnybigoode: welcome to our community that currently appears to be suspended in cyber space :)
[05:46] <johnnybigoode> maxamillion: thankx very much for the warm welcome\
[05:47] <johnnybigoode> i`ve been trying to migrate to linux for some years now, i think xubuntu might be my weapon of choice, hehe
[05:47] <maxamillion> johnnybigoode: fantastic!!! look out for feisty, its going to be stellar when we release stable (its stellar now too, just in beta form)
[05:48] <MaxFrames> gosh
[05:48] <MaxFrames> mount -t smbfs -o username=dlightman //development/project-code /mnt/pcode => not working for me
[05:49] <johnnybigoode> I prefered the 6.06 version, since it`s stable, i don't think i'm ready to play with betas yet
[05:49] <MaxFrames> "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, missing codepage or other error"
[05:50] <MaxFrames> dmesg => smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[05:50] <MaxFrames> gosh.... there's enough in linux to drive a microsoft junkie completely crazy :P
[05:51] <johnnybigoode> you can say that again . . . I'm still lost on this new desktop
[05:51] <MaxFrames> i lost half of my sanity updating from dapper to edgy, and i am losing the other half now trying to mount a smb share
[05:53] <johnnybigoode> smb = windows shared folder ?
[05:54] <MaxFrames> yea
[05:54] <maxamillion> !smb | johnnybigoode
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <maxamillion> bah!
[05:54] <maxamillion> !samba | johnnybigoode
[05:54] <ubotu> johnnybigoode: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:54] <maxamillion> :)
[05:54] <maxamillion> johnnybigoode: smb is just short for samba
[05:54] <maxamillion> ZOMG ... i have class in like 2 minutes!!!
[05:54] <maxamillion> gotta run!!!
[05:54] <MaxFrames> i can access the share with smbclient, but can't mount it :/
[05:56] <johnnybigoode> ok, now it's my time to make a question.
[05:56] <johnnybigoode> how do I play mp3s under XUBUNTU ?
[05:56] <somerville32> !mp3
[05:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:57] <somerville32> :)
[05:57] <johnnybigoode> ty very much
[06:01] <MaxFrames> bye
[06:09] <grazie> I've asked this question a couple of times in #xchat and not got an answer. Maybe some here knows better.
[06:09] <grazie> The xchat icon in the system tray has a popup telling me I've got privates messages. I can't see a way to read them.
[06:10] <_1911_> Hello. What version of xfce used on xubuntu 6.06?
[06:11] <Shaba1> anyone here
[06:11] <johnnybigoode> I'm using xubuntu 6.06
[06:11] <johnnybigoode> but I'm a newcommer to linux in general
[06:11] <johnnybigoode> how do I find out what version of xfce i'm using ?
[06:11] <Shaba1> So am I johansalim
[06:12] <Shaba1> so I am going to listen to the questions you ask and ride the coatails
[06:12] <_1911_> uhhmm.. maybe in xfce menu button > About xfce?)
[06:12] <johnnybigoode> this is what I got
[06:12] <johnnybigoode> version 4.3.90.2 (Xfce 4.4 BETA1)
[06:13] <_1911_> oh
[06:13] <_1911_> thanks ^_^
[06:13] <johnnybigoode> no problemo, glad I could help
[06:13] <Shaba1> oK
[06:13] <Shaba1> how do I tell how much ram is being used at any one moment
[06:14] <ormiret> Shaba1: enter the command 'free' into a terminal
[06:15] <johnnybigoode> uhn... good question . . .
[06:15] <johnnybigoode> Here's a better one, can I set up a icon on the task bar to show how much ram / processor is been used ?
[06:15] <johnnybigoode> Like in WXP's google's desktop ?
[06:15] <Shaba1> that is what I actually wanted johnnybigoode
[06:16] <ormiret> yes, right click the pannel and select add new item and in the dialogue that pops up you should find a few monitors
[06:17] <Shaba1> what "pannel"
[06:17] <j1mc> join #ubuntu-marketing
[06:18] <_1911_> oh.. i've seen that screenshot - http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/bigmquk3u.jpg - and now I want to try xfce.. it's sooo nice..
[06:18] <j1mc> hehehe
[06:18] <johnnybigoode> system load
[06:18] <johnnybigoode> shaba1: system load
[06:18] <ormiret> Shaba1: the pannel is the task bar thing with the main menu clock etc.
[06:18] <Shaba1> Ok he said right click the "pannel"
[06:19] <Shaba1> What "pannel"
[06:19] <Shaba1> where?
[06:19] <grazie> Shaba1:  as ompum says....any desktop panel ... top or bottom ... there's cpu graph (good) and  system loadmonitor applets
[06:20] <johnnybigoode> Right click in the top taskbar or botton taskbar
[06:20] <johnnybigoode> Then choose ADD
[06:20] <johnnybigoode> "Add new Item "
[06:20] <grazie> as ormiret said ...sorry ompum
[06:20] <Shaba1> thank you johnnybigoode "taskbar" makes sense
[06:20] <ompum> no prob
[06:20] <johnnybigoode> You are comming from windows also eh ? hehehehe
[06:21] <Shaba1> yeah
[06:21] <Shaba1> Well that happens thru out the IT/Computer industry
[06:21] <Shaba1> People know what they are talking about
[06:21] <Shaba1> becasue the use/do it all the time
[06:22] <Shaba1> but they do not know that OTHER people may not use the same terminology or know what the heck they are talking about.
[06:22] <Shaba1> And they do not explain
[06:22] <Shaba1> I see it all the time in blender
[06:22] <Shaba1> and the programming boards for python,php,Java C++ that I belong to.
[06:23] <johnnybigoode> I know, think about it, if spend too much time in linux, you eventually simply call it pannel bar or something
[06:23] <johnnybigoode> I'm a english teacher for brazilians, so I gotta know this stuff
[06:23] <johnnybigoode> hehe
[06:24] <Shaba1> Well for people that are not native english speakers I can see the problem and I aplaude them for even trying to write a tutorial or documentation that is not in their native language.
[06:24] <grazie> hey Shaba1 weren't not trying to be difficult, we called them panels 'cos that's their name....some of haven't run wondow for quite a while...maybe never
[06:24] <johnnybigoode> ^_^~
[06:24] <Shaba1> But I am talking about people that are native english speakers that do not know how to write.
[06:25] <Shaba1> they must not teach english or compositional writing in public schools any longer
[06:25] <johnnybigoode> Actually, they do, but the public schools in brazil are not good at all . . .
[06:25] <johnnybigoode> And most people don't even want to learn english
[06:26] <Shaba1> Well johnnybigoode I can see that in a foreign country
[06:26] <Shaba1> but I am talking about american born people
[06:26] <Shaba1> and kids
[06:27] <Shaba1> that do not know how to write well
[06:27] <Shaba1> or explain themselves to other people
[06:29] <Shaba1> it is
[06:30] <johnnybigoode> Hm . . . Since there is no one in need of help . . .
[06:30] <johnnybigoode> Offtopic = ban around here ?
[06:30] <_1911_> 
[06:30] <_1911_> Oops, sorry.. I meand "hehe".
[06:30] <_1911_> Join to #xubuntu-offtopic :D
[06:31] <grazie> johnnybigoode: i'm not a moderator....not a ban I wouldn't have though...maybe a referal to #xubuntu-offtopic
[06:31] <johnnybigoode> =) It is always good to know the rules
[06:33] <grazie> just found out recently that using certain irc webclients is a ban though
[06:34] <_1911_> why?
[06:34] <johnnybigoode> Dunno, but I have been banned many times for offtopic stuff
[06:35] <johnnybigoode> And I wasn't talking about Illegal stuff
[06:35] <_1911_> >:)
[06:35] <ormiret> from ubuntu related channels?
[06:37] <Shaba1> Ok I download and applet calle Ktalker(I think that is the name I am on windows right now) its suppose to speak text pasted in to its window but it does nothing as far as I can see
[06:37] <Shaba1> might that be because xubuntu uses xfe?
[06:38] <johnnybigoode> Nope, I got banned in a pascal support channel
[06:38] <ormiret> Shaba1: how did you install it?
[06:39] <johnnybigoode> for getting banned or for talking offtopic and NOT beeing banned ?
[06:40] <grazie> for getting banned from a pascal channel
[06:40] <johnnybigoode>  . . . >_>"
[06:41] <johnnybigoode> PS.: Am I able to change files from linux of a FAT32 partition ?
[06:41] <ormiret> yes.
[06:41] <_1911_> Yes :)
[06:41] <johnnybigoode> So, to continue to download torrents to my old windows partition I just need to mount it and run the torrent and specify the paths ?
[06:42] <_1911_> And you can use an ntfs-3g driver to write files in NTFS partitions
[06:42] <_1911_> Yes
[06:42] <_1911_> I doesn't like too, but it good for windows + more than 4gb files..
[06:42] <johnnybigoode> But thank you people for the support . . .
[06:42] <johnnybigoode> I remember NOT using puppylinux b/c of the bad public support
[06:42] <_1911_> you can mount it for example with 'mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1'
[06:43] <_1911_> puppylinux is an livecd, isn't it?
[06:43] <johnnybigoode> yes it is
[06:43] <johnnybigoode> I gave up since I couldn't find a way to install to my hd
[06:44] <johnnybigoode> _1991_ how do I create a script file (Like a DOS-BAT file) to quickly mount the partition
[06:44] <johnnybigoode> ?
[06:44] <grazie> there's an ext2/3 windows driver that I would use in preference to both fat32 and ntfs windows/linux file sharing
[06:44] <_1911_> uhm.. isn't it, xubuntu must automount it by self?
[06:44] <johnnybigoode> how ?
[06:44] <_1911_> i dunno, i didn't used *buntus yet :)
[06:44] <_1911_> create a new file, then open it with any text editor, and write:
[06:45] <_1911_> #!/bin/sh
[06:45] <_1911_> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[06:45] <_1911_> --- that's all ---
[06:45] <_1911_> You must sure you have the dir "/mnt/hda1"
[06:45] <ormiret> you don't want a script to mount things though - you put them in /etc/fstab
[06:45] <_1911_> And "hda1" is your partition with fat32
[06:45] <_1911_> yep, or you can edit /etc/fstab
[06:45] <grazie> beaten to it by ormiret
[06:46] <_1911_> and it will be automounted while loading
[06:49] <johnnybigoode> I really think my windows partition is hda5. . .
[06:49] <johnnybigoode> ormiret can you try to explain again
[06:49] <johnnybigoode> I didn't understand
[06:50] <ormiret> OK, first lets se if it's mounted already: enter 'mount' with no parameters and you'll get a list of the things mounted.
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> It is mounted, I made a sudo mount to /win
[06:52] <johnnybigoode>  /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode>  proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> /dev/hda5 on /win type vfat (rw)
[06:52] <johnnybigoode> sorry for the flood >_>
[06:53] <ormiret> !pastebin
[06:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:55] <ormiret> johnnybigoode: to make that happen automatically when you start the machine put another line in your /etc/fstab saying: '/dev/hda5  /win  vfat  defaults,user  0  0'
[06:56] <johnnybigoode> fstab is a file ?
[06:56] <ormiret> yes.
[06:57] <ormiret> most stuff in /etc/ is text files, with a few symlinks.
[06:58] <johnnybigoode> argh
[06:58] <johnnybigoode> cant open file to savbe file
[06:58] <Ionius> did you opened it with sudo / su?
[06:59] <johnnybigoode> now i did
[06:59] <johnnybigoode> Thank you very much
[07:00] <Ionius> np
[07:00] <johnnybigoode> hey, another stupid question, where can I find my "installed programs" foilder ?
[07:01] <Ionius> uhhmm.. you meaned installed packages? :)
[07:01] <Ionius> in any package manager, like aptitude or synaptic
[07:01] <johnnybigoode> No . . . I wanted to add an OPERA icon, but I can't find the OPERA icon
[07:02] <johnnybigoode> Or better, where do I extrac installed packages
[07:02] <Naughtyboy> /usr/share/pixmaps
[07:02] <Naughtyboy> that susually icon location
[07:03] <Ionius> if it didn't appeared, may be you should make it? :) execute command 'opera' and select icon from pixmaps folder..
[07:03] <ormiret> run 'dpkg -L <name of opera package> | grep png' will tell you where it is for sure.
[07:03] <johnnybigoode> I found it, thank you
[07:04] <Naughtyboy> dpkg -L synaptic | grep png
[07:04] <Naughtyboy> hmm....does that work..?
[07:05] <ormiret> that will tell you where synaptic put it's png's
[07:05] <Naughtyboy> OMFG...yes it sure did...LOL
[07:07] <ormiret> you can look at the intalled files for packages in synaptic and do the grep yourself
[07:07] <Naughtyboy> yeah I just tried
[07:08] <Naughtyboy> ormiret, : if I wanted to change the coolor in a thunar window....i.e atm I'm using Clearlooks theme...and bakground color in thunar is white...if I where to change that...whrer would I have look...??
[07:08] <Naughtyboy> u got any idea..?
[07:09] <Ionius> arrrgh.. xubuntu dont want to boot from vmware -_-
[07:09] <johnnybigoode> * Trying to install yab for adesklets . . . It says that no module named adesklets . . .
[07:09] <johnnybigoode> Any help ?
[07:11] <Naughtyboy> johnnybigoode, : no help...just a heads up..that adesklets is THE DEVIL...if you are configuring it fpr the first time.....takes a while to get it right
[07:11] <Naughtyboy> atleas it did last time I used it
[07:11] <johnnybigoode> OK
[08:57] <hyper_ch> huhu
[09:41] <pirothezero> thinking about installing xubuntu today, apps that are primarily used are gnome apps right?
[09:41] <somerville32> GTK2 apps
[09:42] <pirothezero> ah ok
[09:45] <Ionius> damn! I've launched xubuntu installer and I closed it on 97%. lol
[09:46] <pirothezero> How can I increase the taskbar size the top and bottom. Doing dual portrait mode monitors and its like half way there
[10:52] <dings_> hello every1
[10:53] <dings_> can someone tell me if its possible to change the encoding in xfce's terminal?
[10:56] <g4h> ah bloody hell. whats standard operating procedure when the dist upgrade hangs in the middle of fetching and installing updates?
[11:00] <dings_> g4h: fetching or installing?
[11:02] <g4h> lol. inadvertently fixed it
[11:02] <g4h> went to copy the last couple lines of progress and it resumed
[11:02] <g4h> it hung up while trying to force-reload mono-apache
[11:03] <g4h> forgot the ctrl-c works a lil differently in cli. <.<     >.>
[11:03] <g4h> that*
[11:05] <somerville32> hehe
[11:05] <somerville32> :)
[11:38] <PiNE> i haven't used xfce for a while now... but i am thinking of coming back with the 7.04 release.  does [will]  it support moving multiple files on the desktop [by drawing a box around them or something similar] ?
[11:38] <Naughtyboy> guys..is ther any other way to add new themes to Xfce4.4 than copy the files to /usr/share/themes  ..??
[11:38] <maxamillion> PiNE: lemme check really quick ... i'm running it the beta right now
[11:39] <Naughtyboy> PiNE, : running it right now..and I can't do it
[11:39] <maxamillion> PiNE: no, but you can click on do ctrl+click or shift+click
[11:40] <PiNE> maxamillion, and that lets you individually select multiple ones...
[11:41] <maxamillion> PiNE: ctrl lets you individually select and shift lets you pick a group
[11:41] <PiNE> i really like the multiple select feature... i don't think i even use it that much but i always want it when i don't have it.
[11:41] <Naughtyboy> any1 knwos about the theming I asked about..?
[11:41] <maxamillion> lol ... i know the feeling
[11:41] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: whats up?
[11:42] <Naughtyboy> is ther any other way to add new themes to Xfce4.4 than copy the files to /usr/share/themes  ..??
[11:42] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yeah .... create a .themes directory in your home directory and unpack files there
[11:43] <Naughtyboy> and that should work with latest Fiesty 7.04 and Xfce 4.4  ..??
[11:43] <Naughtyboy> I know it did earlier..
[11:43] <PiNE> doesn't drag n dropping the theme into theme manager work?
[11:45] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yeah, it will work
[11:45] <PiNE> maxamillion, thanks for checking out the desktop thing for me!
[11:46] <maxamillion> PiNE: no, i don't think you can drag and drop the theme into the theme manager (though that would be quite the feature)
[11:46] <maxamillion> PiNE: anytime :)
[11:46] <Naughtyboy> PiNE, : no it doesn't work with theme manager like in gnome....unfortunealy
[11:47] <PiNE> i thought changing themes in xfce was pretty easy... i don't remember doing much command line stuff, and i like to change themes a lot!
[11:48] <PiNE> anyhow i guess i should get out of here i feel like an xubuntu poser... i'll come back when i install it [or when i have more questions about it] 
[11:48] <maxamillion> PiNE: you can do it with the file manager of your choice ... no need for the command line
[11:51] <PiNE> but before i go i think that i should let you know that out of all the forums for all the different linux flavours the xubuntu one has always been the nicest to come to!
[11:53] <Naughtyboy> yeah I tried a new one and it worked...easy peazy...
[11:53] <maxamillion> :)
[11:53] <Naughtyboy> but I can for the love of god get this one to work:  http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Neutronium?content=46153
[11:53] <Naughtyboy> would any1 of guys care to try it..
[11:54] <maxamillion> oh wow .... i like that one
[11:54] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: i'll give it a shot
[11:54] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : thnx a bunch...  ;=))
[11:57] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: it works, but its only a xfwm4 theme
[11:58] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: go to "window manager" in the settings manager and it will be listed there
[11:59] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : ahaaa ...OK thought xfwm4 themes where "complete" themes to...
[11:59] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: nope ;)
[11:59] <Koba> Hows it goin' maxamillion
[11:59] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, :....ok then thnx alot for helping..
[12:00] <maxamillion> Koba: meh, same ol same ol ... just sitting at work trying not to procrastinate too much
[12:00] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: anytime :)
[12:00] <Koba> :P
[12:03] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: i got the whole thing working now
[12:03] <Naughtyboy> ok...??
[12:04] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: well on http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Neutronium?content=46153 you need to download the "theme-pack"
[12:05] <Naughtyboy> ok...did you have use both packages..??...if so where did you put them..
[12:05] <ShiftOptionK> Hey, when I try to theme GDM it says that the theme won't load and then it defaults to the dopey human theme
[12:06] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: unarchive that and then in the folder that results go into the GTK2 folder and in there is another archive called "Neutronium-Gtk2.tar.gz" move that one into your .themes directory and then the theme will show up in the user interface menu
[12:08] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, ...yeaaah baby..ill get right to it...
[12:08] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: :)
[12:09] <maxamillion> ShiftOptionK: have you consulted this wiki entry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GdmThemeing ?
[12:09] <ShiftOptionK> No
[12:10] <maxamillion> ShiftOptionK: i don't know much about gdm themes but the wiki is really good about explaining things
[12:11] <ShiftOptionK> The problem isn't with installing the theme, but it seems to be what GDM is doing with it
[12:11] <ShiftOptionK> I'm still reading the page, though
[12:11] <maxamillion> ShiftOptionK: oh ... hmmm, strange
[12:12] <ShiftOptionK> Yeah, I never had this problem with straight Ubuntu, though
[12:12] <Shaba1> hey anyone ever use a text to speak program called K talker
[12:12] <Shaba1> I *think* that is the name
[12:12] <maxamillion> Shaba1: not i
[12:12] <Shaba1> I am on windows now so cannot say for sure
[12:12] <ShiftOptionK> Haven't heard of it before
[12:12] <Shaba1> I found it with synaptics
[12:13] <Shaba1> downloaded and installed it
[12:13] <Shaba1> but id does not speak any text
[12:13] <Shaba1> Not a biggie
[12:13] <ShiftOptionK> maxamillion: That page seems to be talking more about how to create your own theme...
[12:13] <maxamillion> ShiftOptionK: yeah
[12:13] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: how's it coming?
[12:14] <Naughtyboy> yeah....reading up on the fixes ATM....but I got it copied int the /usr/share/themes folder
[12:15] <ShiftOptionK> Anyone have any luck installing and using 3rd party GDM themes?
[12:15] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: oh ok
[12:16] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yeah, basically when you download themes you need to look for a gtk2 directory and that will be the user interface (or "gtk theme") or a xfwm4 directory which will be the xfwm4 theme (xfwm4 is xfce's window manager .... just incase you didn't know)
[12:18] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : I did know about xfwm4 ...I just thought that you could creat "complete" themes using it...
[12:18] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, : got everything working now.....  ;==
[12:18] <Naughtyboy> ;=)
[12:18] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: well, you "can" ... but you would have to package a gtk2 and a xfwm4 theme together
[12:19] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: good! ... glad to hear it
[12:19] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: what you think? ... was it everything you thought it would be?
[12:20] <Naughtyboy> yeah...well almost...
[12:20] <Naughtyboy> If u look at the pic http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Neutronium?content=46153 ...
[12:20] <Naughtyboy> maxamillion, look on his menu..
[12:21] <Naughtyboy> when he hover the mous over a specifik launcher..it get kind of rounded
[12:21] <Naughtyboy> if u understand...
[12:21] <maxamillion> yeah
[12:21] <Naughtyboy> mine doesn't ti get s flat
[12:22] <maxamillion> lemme apply the theme to mine and check
[12:22] <Naughtyboy> the panel and everything else looks like it should...it just the menus tha looks little different..
[12:23] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: yeah, same for me ... it might be some default config in a Xubuntu package somewhere that is over riding it .....
[12:23] <maxamillion> Naughtyboy: actually no ... he is running Gnome