[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> upgrading to feisty from edgy via the command line?
[12:13] <Flosoft> yes
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> ...why not just use the upgrade tool?
[12:14] <RoyB72> yorokobi restart now?
[12:14] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, here's where ctrl-alt-backspace comes into play. That key combo will kill X and kdm will try to restart it. If it doesn't work, you'll know :)
[12:14] <Flosoft> well I did try to use apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:14] <Flosoft> but these packages always fail
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> not the same thing
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> check out http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> err, wrong url
[12:15] <Yorokobi> Flosoft, did you use apt-get -f -y dist-upgrade ?
[12:15] <LightGun> still noone with any idea about saving nvidia-settings
[12:15] <Flosoft> eh ... no
[12:15] <RoyB72> yorokobi, k.. so I ctrl-alt-bs now?
[12:15] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, yep. See ya! :)
[12:15] <RoyB72> cya
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> there we go
[12:15] <WaxyFresh> !alsa
[12:15] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:16] <LightGun> I would use normal nvidia-glx if the videos wouldn't lag around with beryl
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought normal nvidia-glx was up to 9755 now
[12:17] <WaxyFresh> kmix is showing no sound mixer or whatever its called,like whatever alsa is
[12:17] <LightGun> I still had som 8xxx with normal nvidia-glx
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[12:17] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: ok, whats your sound chipset?
[12:18] <LightGun> but besides the lagging videos everything works fine on 8xxx
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> LightGun: are you usinf xvmc?
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> *using
[12:18] <LightGun> xvmc? whats that
[12:19] <nosrednaekim> LightGun: thats the proprietary Nvidia video accelerator
[12:19] <LightGun> didn't know that
[12:20] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: lspci didint show it
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> LightGun: you can select it in a list of drivers in Kaffeine
[12:20] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: is there another way?
[12:20] <Yorokobi> Success or Failure, RoyB72 ?
[12:20] <arkaitz_> hey
[12:20] <RoyB72> :( nope..
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: lspci didn't show it? at all? pastebin the output...
[12:21] <RoyB72> back where we started
[12:21] <arkaitz_> anyone knows how can I update or install other keyboard/mouse drivers? they are connected through PS/2 (HP mouse/Keyboard and Kubuntu doesnt detect them)
[12:21] <WaxyFresh> !pastebin
[12:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:21] <premier_> hello, Im trying to install a tarball, but I wont install because I need a c++ compiler, so I go to apt-get and aptitude to install g++, but they both ask for the edgy CD. I dont have it. How can I force them to get the packages from repositories?
[12:21] <Yorokobi> arkaitz, were you using PS/2 kb/mouse when the computer booted? or USB?
[12:22] <LightGun> do you really wanna tell me, that your nvidia-settings are always saved by themselves
[12:22] <astaroth> moinsen
[12:22] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, hmmm ... I'm out of ideas. That usually works for me
[12:22] <astaroth> ich brauche hilfe beim ati treiber
[12:22] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13037/
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> LightGun: what?
[12:23] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: probly just didint recognize it
[12:23] <RoyB72> :(
[12:23] <astaroth> i need some help by ati driver
[12:23] <Yorokobi> !de | astaroth
[12:23] <ubotu> astaroth: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> whatever i did made beryl hate me with a passion
[12:23] <LightGun> I would wanna know, when you set up your nvidia-settings, do the configs stay after reboot?
[12:23] <Yorokobi> Yeah, sorry RoyB72.
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> LightGun: what settings... the xorg file? or elsewhere?
[12:24] <LightGun> the nvidia-settings
[12:24] <RoyB72> yorokobi... I'll think of something, or get help elsewhere... that anyway
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: try running the same command as root, see if it gives you something else...
[12:24] <RoyB72> *thx anyway
[12:24] <Yorokobi> RoyB72, np.
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> LightGun: I'm not really familiar with nvidias...
[12:24] <Yorokobi> Ciao all
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> they probably should stay
[12:25] <LightGun> but they don't, this is also mentioned by nvidia themselves
[12:25] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: same,hardware problem?
[12:25] <LightGun> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/nvidia-settings-user-guide.txt
[12:25] <LightGun> see it in 4.)
[12:26] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: you SHOULD have an intel sound card in there....does it work in windows?
[12:26] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: its on board if that helps,probly not
[12:26] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: dont know this computer hasent run windos in 4 years
[12:27] <Daisuke_Ido> this is getting ridiculous :(
[12:27] <wilman> anny poeple with experience with audacity?
[12:27] <Daisuke_Ido> reconfigured xserver-xorg
[12:27] <wilman> i want to record and playback at the same time
[12:27] <wilman> but it laggs teribly
[12:27] <qsu> yes wilman
[12:27] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: its a bunch of computers i threw together when my laptop broke the other day,theyve just been sitting in my attic
[12:27] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe now i can launch beryl
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: probably a hard ware problem if its that old
[12:27] <WaxyFresh> grrr
[12:27] <WaxyFresh> thanks
[12:27] <LightGun> aren't u able to launch beryl?
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: go try a different MB
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> haha
[12:29] <qsu> laggy in what way wilman
[12:29] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: thanks for the help,not gon thru all that trouble i had problems witht he only other mother bored i have besides a 286
[12:29] <wilman> uu how to explain
[12:29] <wilman> it hicks
[12:29] <wilman> the sound
[12:29] <wilman> on of on of on of
[12:29] <arkaitz_> anyone knows how can I update or install other keyboard/mouse drivers? they are connected through PS/2 (HP mouse/Keyboard and Kubuntu doesnt detect them)
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> well it didn't blow up this time :(
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> arkaitz_: what? the keyboard and mouse don't work?
[12:30] <qsu> oke, well you have to configure your system
[12:30] <WaxyFresh> can anyone see a problem with installing the ubuntu server ver 5.10 then useinh aptitude to install the kubuntu desktop then upgrading to dapper?
[12:30] <qsu> wich version do you use wilman
[12:30] <arkaitz_> nosrednaekim:  yeah they dont work
[12:30] <qsu> btw there is an audacity channel overhere
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: I don't think that'd be a problem...
[12:31] <premier_> has anybody had any experience with kdevelop?  Im trying to write a kicker applet, and for some reason the "hello world" applet wont compile
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> arkaitz_: do they work in Windows?
[12:31] <wilman> uu
[12:31] <wilman> qsu: let me see
[12:31] <qsu>  /join #audacity
[12:31] <WaxyFresh> nosrednaekim: because thats what i did then alot of stuff was missing,adapt konversation half the sstuff on the menu the whole sys menu etc
[12:32] <arkaitz_> nosrednaekim: yeah
[12:32] <LightGun> ok, good night, Im gonna to bed now
[12:32] <qsu> me too adios everybody night night
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> WaxyFresh: install kubuntu-desktop
[12:32] <WaxyFresh> thanks byby all
[12:32] <wilman> qsu: 1.2.4
[12:32] <qsu> oke
[12:32] <qsu> well join audacity and ask overthere i am going to bed right now
[12:33] <qsu> i am sorry wilman but i had a rough day
[12:33] <wilman> yes me too
[12:33] <wilman> haha me too;)
[12:33] <qsu> oke, well see you tommorow then
[12:33] <wilman> Gn
[12:33] <qsu> night night and goodluck
[12:33] <wilman> ;)
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> 	error	AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> that can't be right :\
[12:33] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: still fighting beryl?
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, it was working great until i tried to adjust refresh rates
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> now it says i'm using the nv driver :(
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: why did you do that?
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> because i'm an idiot and like to play with things :)
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> ahh,,,,
[12:36] <jarn> Daisuke_Ido: Story of my life.
[12:36] <sierra-x> okay, perhaps this will work better from a console
[12:37] <sierra-x> this is not cool
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> there.
[12:38] <Daisuke_Ido> i win.
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> got it back?
[12:39] <Daisuke_Ido> won't know for a minute
[12:41] <Daisuke_Ido> that's starting to bother me
[12:41] <Daisuke_Ido> konversation starts every time i restart x
[12:43] <jarn> Adept Notifier just tells me when I have updated packages, correct? It's not a big deal if I stop it from running on startup?
[12:43] <Ace2016> Hi all
[12:43] <Ace2016> can someone help me with an icon problem
[12:43] <mastermanx_> how do u open exes
[12:43] <Ace2016> i edited the icon set and the change isn't sticking
[12:44] <Ace2016> you can't this is linux, you have to run wine
[12:44] <jarn> mastermanx_: You need Wine to open an exe in Linux since exes are used in Windows.
[12:44] <Ace2016> wine will run the exe in linux
[12:44] <neptunepink> ubotu | mastermanx_
[12:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mastermanx_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:44] <neptunepink> err....
[12:44] <neptunepink> !wine
[12:44] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:44] <Ace2016> some apps run ok but stuff like games won't work at all or barely
[12:44] <arkaitz_> a good text editor such us notepad ++ for programming?
[12:44] <Daisuke_Ido> arkaitz_: kate
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> arkaitz_: kate
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> stereo :)
[12:45] <jarn> Ace2016: Actually, some games work quite well. From what I've heard Steam-based games and WoW work great. And I know first-hand that Guild Wars works as well as can be expected.
[12:45] <Ace2016> does kate have tabs
[12:45] <mastermanx_> u guys dont know how to open exes
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> it has something similar (left pane with all open files)
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> Ace2016: thats a good question.... no... but it something cimilar
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> mastermanx_: use WINE
[12:45] <jarn> mastermanx_: You have to use a program called Wine.
[12:45] <mastermanx_> wine hmm
[12:45] <jarn> !wine | mastermanx_
[12:45] <ubotu> mastermanx_: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> mastermanx_:use WINE
[12:45] <Ace2016> jarn: oh interesting, i was thinking of stuff based on direct x, thought you had to get cedaga to play those
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> oh wow... were good Daisuke_Ido ;)
[12:46] <mastermanx_> thx
[12:46] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace2016: nope, wine is making leaps and bounds
[12:46] <jarn> Ace2016: Nope. Some DirectX games work in Wine. Not all and they don't all work perfectly, but some do.
[12:47] <jarn> Ace2016: I've heard Steam-based games and WoW get the same framerates in Linux as in Wine. Guild Wars gets 5-10 less but as long as your hardware is semi-decent it shouldn't be enough to harm performance.
[12:47] <mastermanx_> is wine
[12:48] <mastermanx_> is adept
[12:48] <Daisuke_Ido> it is, but.
[12:48] <mastermanx_> ?
[12:48] <Daisuke_Ido> use the winehq repository, it's far more up to date
[12:48] <Ace2016> synaptic is the true master of packages
[12:48] <mastermanx_> so how do i type that in adept
[12:48] <mastermanx_> sudo adpt
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> my kdm login screen is friggin ugly (320x240) now :(
[12:49] <Ace2016> ouch
[12:49] <raffytaffy> whoaa thats small!
[12:49] <mastermanx_> dia where i get it at
[12:49] <raffytaffy> what did u do
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> mastermanx_: go to winehq.com and look there
[12:49] <raffytaffy> sudo apt-get install wine
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> raffytaffy: i touched it.  i'm not machine-compatible (extra points for getting the reference)
[12:49] <mastermanx_> o its not on
[12:49] <mastermanx_> dept
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> raffytaffy: that's not the latest though
[12:50] <raffytaffy> Daisuke_Ido sounds like pebkac hehe:P
[12:50] <raffytaffy> i only use wine for one application. im not worried about it beign up to date:P
[12:51] <Ace2016> but it might not run well on the older version
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> raffytaffy: jurassic park.
[12:51] <raffytaffy> bad movie ..funny example
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, still claims i'm using the nv driver :(
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> didyou switch it to nvidia?
[12:53] <mastermanx_> not working good for me shit
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> that wasn't pleasant.
[12:58] <mastermanx_> im y
[12:58] <mastermanx_> trying to install wine
[12:58] <mastermanx_> not working
[12:59] <coty> i'm getting closer to having beryl
[12:59] <dragon> hi there
[01:00] <coty> hi
[01:00] <coty> i thought that i installed it
[01:00] <dragon> wow i didnt expect to get an answer
[01:00] <coty> why
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to cry.
[01:00] <dragon> please dont
[01:01] <dragon> well, i dont see anyone chat..
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> people are around, believe it or not
[01:01] <mastermanx_> hey dia
[01:01] <mastermanx_> i try follwing direction not wokring
[01:01] <mastermanx_> man
[01:01] <coty> well i installed beryl
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm just struggling with my own personal demons :)
[01:01] <dragon> mama mia..
[01:01] <eeanm> Daisuke_Ido: You can do it!
[01:01] <coty> problem is that there is no button or anything beryl
[01:01] <mastermanx_> nix is hard
[01:01] <mastermanx_> man
[01:02] <coty> i have one button it say bery settup manager
[01:02] <eeanm> yea you want to run that ;)
[01:02] <coty> ok
[01:02] <coty> then what
[01:02] <eeanm> then right click the icon that comes up
[01:02] <eeanm> and change to the beryl window manager
[01:02] <coty> that't the problem
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> eeanm: i'm starting to doubt that
[01:03] <coty> there is on icon that comes up
[01:03] <coty> no
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> beryl-manager
[01:03] <eeanm> Daisuke_Ido: alcohol is not your master, just own the problem
[01:03] <coty> i only beryl settings manager
[01:03] <eeanm> coty: your looking in your system tray?
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> eeanm: who said anything about alcohol?  i just want to get my nvidia drivers back in working order
[01:03] <coty> yea
[01:03] <coty> but it is not there
[01:03] <eeanm> Daisuke_Ido: well you said personal demons, I just assumed.
[01:03] <eeanm> ;)
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[01:04] <eeanm> coty: ok, well run beryl-manager then
[01:04] <coty> dont have it either
[01:04] <dragon> cu u guys!
[01:04] <szymek_> jest tu kto
[01:04] <coty> i only have beryl settings mananger
[01:04] <dragon> i'll leave..
[01:04] <eeanm> coty: your doing tab-completion?
[01:04] <LjL> !pl | szymek_
[01:04] <ubotu> szymek_: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:04] <eeanm> how do you know you don't have it
[01:04] <coty> eeanm: its no were to be found
[01:05] <coty> eeanm: i even tried katapult
[01:05] <eeanm> oh
[01:05] <eeanm> coty: apt-get install beryl-manager
[01:05] <eeanm> :)
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> beryl-manager is an independent package
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> there you go :D
[01:05] <coty> eeanm: i did htat
[01:05] <coty> eeanm: it said i had the latest package
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> then run "beryl-manager"
[01:06] <coty> nosrednaekim: i cant
[01:06] <coty> nosrednaekim: its no were to be found
[01:06] <BluesKaj> bloody eye candy
[01:06] <eeanm> coty: how are you running the command?
[01:06] <eeanm> we don't know what you mean by "no where to be found"
[01:06] <coty> eeasnm: which command
[01:07] <eeanm> beryl-manager !
[01:07] <coty> eeanm: i have looked in the kmenu i have done alt+ f2
[01:07] <coty> eeanm: and i have tried katapult
[01:07] <eeanm> run dpkg -L beryl-manager
[01:07] <eeanm> from konsole
[01:07] <eeanm> personally I don't think you have it installed :)
[01:07] <coty> eeanm: ok
[01:08] <coty> eeanm: weird
[01:08] <coty> eeanm: i wonder why i cant find it
[01:08] <Daisuke-Ido> well i have my desktop back at the proper resolution
[01:08] <eeanm> coty: ...run the apt-get
[01:08] <eeanm> oh
[01:08] <eeanm> wait
[01:08] <eeanm> you see it listed?
[01:08] <eagles0513875> im haveing real issues tweaking video settings in WoW
[01:08] <eagles0513875> alpha u into clustering
[01:08] <eeanm> you probably misspelled beryl then ;)
[01:08] <eagles0513875> ee that is right
[01:09] <eagles0513875> eeanm: u might not have repository
[01:09] <coty> eeanm: i see a list
[01:11] <coty> eeanm: what if i uninstall it then reinstall
[01:11] <eeanm> coty: that will do... jackshit :)
[01:11] <coty> eeanm: ok
[01:12] <FringeJacket> coty beryl still not working?
[01:12] <aaroncampbell> can AmaroK play video podcasts as well as audio?
[01:12] <coty> frigejacket: nope
[01:12] <aaroncampbell> The podcast is offered as Quicktime, Theora, WMV, and Xvid
[01:12] <Daisuke-Ido> aaroncampbell: no
[01:12] <aaroncampbell> What do you use for video podcasts?
[01:12] <coty> frigejacket: its stilll no were to be found
[01:13] <Daisuke-Ido> personally, i don't, but since vidcasts are just rss feeds...
[01:13] <FringeJacket> you misspelled my nick, but thats just strange
[01:13] <Daisuke-Ido> pray for me
[01:13] <eeanm> coty: in konsole if you type beryl and then press tab twice, what shows up?
[01:13] <Daisuke-Ido> \o/
[01:13] <Daisuke-Ido> it didn't kill x this time
[01:13] <BluesKaj> aaroncampbell, Kaffeine , VLC MPlayer ...any of those players should handle them
[01:13] <giovani> I'm having an issue with linux recognizing all the ram my system has -- I have 4GB total, it's a new Kubuntu 7.04 install, and the OS is seeing 2.45GB (rounded) -- any ideas on what might cause this?
[01:14] <philphoto> ok folks, I'm formerly philfo1.  i'm starting fresh with a new install of Kubuntu and need some help/advice.
[01:14] <coty> eeanm: this is what shows up beryl           beryl-manager   beryl-settings  beryl-xgl
[01:14] <Daisuke-Ido> beryl-manager
[01:14] <FringeJacket> philphoto just ask
[01:14] <philphoto> giovani, what mobo are you using?
[01:14] <eeanm> dude coty ;)
[01:14] <giovani> philphoto: Tyan K8WE
[01:14] <eeanm> learn how to spell things right
[01:14] <coty> eeanm: dude eeanm
[01:14] <giovani> the bios claims all 4GB is working
[01:14] <philphoto> my system is SLOW
[01:15] <coty> eeanm: what do you mean learn how to speel stuff right?
[01:15] <philphoto> oh, bios says it?  that's what I was going to address.
[01:15] <eeanm> coty: that must of been right your problem is
[01:15] <philphoto> I'm a linux n00b but have recently been through some mobo/bios/ram issues myself
[01:15] <coty> eeanm: so what should i do now
[01:15] <giovani> yes, the bios sees all 4GB -- not to mention, the ram is 4 1GB sticks -- so it's not that entire sticks are not being used/recognized -- it's more like 2.5 are
[01:15] <eeanm> eeanm: now in same konsole, type m and then tab
[01:15] <eeanm> since you can't spell manager ;)
[01:16] <philphoto> surely someone here can help you find that memory
[01:16] <coty> eeanm: ok
[01:16] <Daisuke-Ido> okay, got everything fixed
[01:16] <coty> eeanm: it asking yes or no
[01:16] <giovani> philphoto: hopefully
[01:16] <Daisuke-Ido> beryl's working again
[01:16] <coty> eeanm: to show 103 of something
[01:16] <eeanm> I have no idea coty
[01:16] <eeanm> um
[01:16] <philphoto> once again folks, my system is slow and I am starting from a fresh install.
[01:16] <Daisuke-Ido> this house...  is cleeeeeeean...
[01:16] <johan> .
[01:16] <eeanm> type beryl-m[tab] [tab] 
[01:17] <philphoto> from where do I start to address my speed issue?
[01:17] <Daisuke-Ido> well, what are the machine's specs?
[01:17] <coty> eeanm: ok a list came up
[01:17] <raffytaffy> uname 1.2-rc1
[01:17] <philphoto> P4 3.4GHz Extreme, 3+ GB ram
[01:18] <eeanm> coty: type beryl-m[tab] [tab] 
[01:18] <Daisuke-Ido> there's no reason it should be slow, that's for sure
[01:18] <philphoto> that's what I'm saying.
[01:19] <giovani> I've experienced what I would consider performance issues as well
[01:19] <giovani> and I'm on a dual opteron :)
[01:19] <giovani> the issues were severe with 6.10 KDE
[01:19] <giovani> 7.04 is improved
[01:19] <coty> eeanm: another list came up
[01:20] <philphoto> I don't do any 3d apps, but on my last install, we were addressing the fact that I have an ATI GC
[01:20] <coty> eeanm: but now my screen just acted wierd
[01:20] <philphoto> well, at one time last week, this machine was amazing.  better than it had ever been when it was WinXP
[01:20] <eeanm> coty: I know no idea what your smoking ;)
[01:20] <FringeJacket> coty, is the gem in the sys tab now?
[01:21] <coty> eeanm: FringeJacket: nothing but now my menu and my screeen is doing nothing
[01:21] <__bill__> how do I install subversion?
[01:21] <jarn> Can you set up a symbolic link to a symbolic link?
[01:22] <coty> fringejacket: should i restart my computer
[01:22] <FarSeer> Hello! To do a upgrade from edgy (6.10) to feisty.. do i need to edit my sources.lst or will it work with a apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:22] <FarSeer> ?
[01:22] <eeanm> jarn: sure I don't see why not :)
[01:22] <FarSeer> can't find it in the wiki or anywhere else :/
[01:22] <jarn> eeanm: Okay, thanks. :D
[01:22] <philphoto> I do a lot of film scanning.  a few days ago when it was sorking well, I scanned a color slide at max res & was working with it like it was a small jpeg.  it was a 400MB TIFF and way easy to work with because I had so much more power to work with.  now i'm back to crappier than windows speed
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> this just stopped being fun
[01:23] <coty> x
[01:23] <coty> im restarting my computer
[01:24] <FarSeer> hello?
[01:24] <__bill__> how do I install subversion?
[01:24] <Columcille> sudo apt-get install subversion
[01:24] <philphoto> but to reiterate, its running horribly slow.  about 15 seconds to open konsole.
[01:25] <FarSeer> someone please point me to some docs about upgrading to feisty
[01:25] <FarSeer> :P
[01:25] <Daisuke_Ido> FarSeer: right in the topic
[01:25] <FarSeer> Daisuke_Ido: oh
[01:26] <FarSeer> Daisuke_Ido: didn't see that ;)
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[01:26] <FringeJacket> FarSeer I've done it too don't worry
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, it's not a problem :)
[01:27] <philphoto> since we're on the feisty topic, should I do an upgrade from edgy to feisty?  might it help me with my speed issues?
[01:27] <__bill__> sorry, but I'm a n00b...what do I do: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13041/
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> philphoto: it very well might
[01:28] <FringeJacket> __bill__ first of all, don't apologize, we're here to help and don't call yourself a n00b, we don't see you that way
[01:28] <philphoto> have there been slowness problems with edgy?
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> if things are taking that long, could it be an issue with DMA and the hard drive, perhaps?  i don't know, i'm just throwing suggestions out there
[01:28] <philphoto> DMA?
[01:29] <FringeJacket> philphoto mine is slow, but I blamed it on my ram
[01:29] <FarSeer> FringeJacket: any idea why it's edgy-proposed and not "feisty" ?
[01:29] <philphoto> my ram is brand new.  so is the cpu
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> __bill__: just run what it says
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> FarSeer: edgy-proposed is like...  intermediate packages
[01:30] <FringeJacket> FarSeer why what is?
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> __bill__: 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> whoops
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> __bill__: 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[01:31] <coty> ok back
[01:31] <FarSeer> Daisuke_Ido: will it work if i just update everything, and change my sources.lst, and then a dist-upgrade ?
[01:31] <philphoto> can I just upgrade to feisty or do I need to do the whole download to CD, etc...
[01:31] <shiv_j> what is a good webcasting software for linux
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> just follow the directions, it works great :)
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> philphoto: in the topic, there's a url for doing an edgy > feisty upgrade
[01:32] <FarSeer> FringeJacket: ok
[01:32] <Daisuke_Ido> FarSeer: it won't work, no, there are fundamental changes that require more than that
[01:33] <coty> fringejacket: im ready for the problem to go away
[01:33] <FringeJacket> coty, is it still not working?
[01:33] <philphoto> does the upgrade have holes in it though?  this is my third install & I really don't feel like going & patching things up
[01:33] <coty> fringejacket: it still does not work
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> philphoto: nope, i ran it and it worked like a charm
[01:34] <coty> i found it
[01:34] <philphoto> cool.
[01:34] <MK_Mike> What would you guys think is the best html/php/css editor for linux
[01:34] <philphoto> have they found any more support for ATI GC's?
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> ...except for the horrible crash that wiped out my primary partition
[01:34] <philphoto> I think that's my biggest problem.
[01:34] <FringeJacket> coty, you found it? is it there?
[01:34] <philphoto> you're kidding, of course.
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> ...just kidding :)
[01:34] <comms> hi amyrose
[01:35] <FarSeer> Daisuke_Ido: that's how i did upgrade when i was using debian........
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> FarSeer: not much difference in layout for debian versions
[01:35] <philphoto> because that only happens with windoze....
[01:35] <philphoto> heh heh heh heh
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu isn't debian :)
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> philphoto: it's true
[01:35] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu is *based* on debian, this is true, but they aren't interchangeable
[01:36] <philphoto> someday, everyone will be free and there will only be two OS's
[01:36] <Sanne> MK_Mike: that's highly subjective. I do everything in Kate, but that's just a good all purpose text editor with nice syntax highlighting and good features. Other's like Quanta or Bluefish.
[01:36] <Tonren> Can anyone help me get KTorrent working?  I'm behind a packet shaper on a college campus and I Just can't freakin' download anything.
[01:36] <philphoto> MS won't be developing either of them.  and I hope I live to see that day
[01:36] <TehUni> is k3b 1.0 included in feisty?
[01:36] <comms> hi all
[01:36] <Jucato> TehUni: yes
[01:36] <TehUni> Jucato: great. thanks.
[01:36] <FringeJacket> comms hi
[01:36] <AmyRose> hi comms
[01:37] <jordo23> Does KDE have a supported FTP client besides using KGET or Konq?
[01:37] <philphoto> Jucato, thanks for the help last night.  I got the job done, all is well.
[01:37] <Tonren> jordo23: Kftp
[01:37] <jordo23> thanks
[01:37] <Tonren> jordo23: Or FireFTP with Firefox
[01:37] <comms> 35 male uk
[01:37] <Jucato> philphoto: um... ok :)
[01:37] <comms> what's up, folks?
[01:37] <Tonren> jordo23: I'm sorry - it's called KFTPGrabber, not just KFTP
[01:37] <philphoto> well, I remember you helping me out a bit.
[01:37] <Jucato> !ftp | jordo23
[01:37] <ubotu> jordo23: FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[01:38] <Jucato> (kget actually isn't an FTP client)
[01:38] <philphoto> ah, right, I was known as philfo1
[01:38] <philphoto> this is a new install.
[01:38] <Jucato> philphoto: aaah ;)
[01:38] <AmyRose> KGet is a download manager. It's a partial FTP client.
[01:39] <jarn> Whenever I run anything in full screen, X changes the resolution of my entire desktop. Is there any way to prevent this?
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> kget isn't a kde frontend for wget?
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> that would have made sense.
[01:39] <philphoto> now that I have this installed on a different drive all clean & shiny, can I import my settings (not packages unless that's very stable) from my old build on the other hd?
[01:39] <Tonren> Hey, so, does anyone know how to improve KTorrent's performance when you're behind a packetshaper?  It's taking SOO long.
[01:40] <jarn> Is there a different program to monitor processes besides ksysguard that is also QT based?
[01:40] <jarn> !ksysguard
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksysguard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <comms> where r u from, amy and jacket?
[01:42] <Tonren> !torrent
[01:42] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt)  -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[01:42] <Tonren> Gah...
[01:42] <FringeJacket> comms why are you asking?
[01:43] <comms> by way of intro
[01:43] <AmyRose> !offtopic | comms
[01:43] <ubotu> comms: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:43] <coty> hey
[01:43] <coty> i found beryl-manager
[01:43] <eeanm> :)
[01:43] <FringeJacket> coty yay,
[01:43] <coty> but when i click run my bottom bar goes away
[01:43] <coty> and nothing happens
[01:44] <eeanm> and its still not in your system tray?
[01:44] <coty> well if i could see my tray i could tell you
[01:44] <coty> but when i run beryl-manager it disappears
[01:45] <Sanne> jarn: I used one years ago, called qps: http://www.student.nada.kth.se/~f91-men/qps/
[01:45] <Sanne> jarn: ah, it's in universe
[01:46] <amsmith42home> Is it possible to import/export user accounts?
[01:46] <jarn> Sanne: Thanks.
[01:46] <Sanne> jarn: you're welcome
[01:47] <FringeJacket> coty aw man thats rotten
[01:47] <coty> So now what do i do
[01:48] <BluesKaj> dump beryl
[01:48] <coty> Blueskaj: what do you mean
[01:48] <BluesKaj> beryl causes more problems than it's worth, especially on older pcs
[01:48] <coty> I dont care how many problem
[01:48] <coty> s
[01:49] <BluesKaj> kubuntu runs perfectly well without it
[01:49] <BluesKaj> better even
[01:49] <Slasher> beryl is nice but its still beta so it crashes often
[01:50] <FringeJacket> Slasher I haven't had any problems with mine, and coty is thhe first one I've helped install that has
[01:50] <coty> so why is it my task bar disappears
[01:52] <FringeJacket> idk, it confuses me greatly
[01:52] <coty> I'm the one dealing with it LOL so i have a masive head ache
[01:53] <FringeJacket> I know coty but I'm trying to help and failing.
[01:53] <coty> fringejacket: your not failing my coputer is failing
[01:56] <RoyB72> yorokobi.. looks like I fixed it.. just followed the instructions in: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia  all over again.. :)
[01:58] <aaroncampbell> How can I add something to my K menu?  I have Zend Studio, and I'd like to add it to the development section
[01:59] <Jucato> aaroncampbell: right-click on the K Menu -> Menu Editor
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> right-click the k-menu and Menu Ed... yeah
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> what Jucato said :)
[01:59] <Jucato> lol
[02:01] <Tonren> Hey, so, does anyone know how to improve KTorrent's performance when you're behind a packetshaper?  I'm dyin', here.
[02:02] <tmbg> aaroncampbell, there's also kappfinder which will search for and add applications to the menu
[02:03] <tmbg> where does one view/change the color depth? my xorg.conf has a "DefaultDepth" of 24 but images I look at seem to be using a lower depth.
[02:06] <BluesKaj> Tonren, looked in ktorrent options /settings ...don't see anything that applies except perhaps setting the ports :(
[02:08] <tmbg> wow, ok, very odd. I seem to be having the same problem as this guy: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84229 (on edgy eft, with nvidia 7800 gtx using nvidia driver)
[02:11] <tmbg> it's really a shame. I could have erm. used the higher color depth earlier. for um. "stuff"
[02:12] <RoyB72> anyone knows how to get audio to work? it dissapeared after I installed nvidia, downloaded audio driver but when I try to compile, it comes up with an error saying: memalloc.c:49: error: expected ')' before string constant
[02:13] <K`zan> Can anyone tell me how to build initrd.img for a new kernel?
[02:19] <RoyB72> anyone knows a good ftp server?
[02:20] <peanutb> RoyB72, proftpd is great, in my opinion
[02:20] <RoyB72> thx.. I'll try that one
[02:20] <Slasher> how about a good ftp client that allows fxp and ssl connections?
[02:21] <Slasher> sorta like flashfxp or ultrafxp
[02:21] <Slasher> they both wont run in crossover :(
[02:22] <kendwork> hey there
[02:22] <kendwork> i'm trying to PXE install fiesty beta on my wife's shiny new refurbished X41 tablet
[02:23] <kendwork> i'm at the Software Selection part of the install, and choose "Kubuntu desktop"
[02:23] <kendwork> it brings up a progress bar for a moment, then goes: "An installation step failed. [yada yada yada] "
[02:23] <kendwork> hrm, maybe i should go back and look for an alt mirror?
[02:24] <kendwork> in the meantime, anyone know where to find the EXACT errors?
[02:24] <odin__> i give any sort of real output after saying it failed?
[02:24] <odin__> *it
[02:25] <kendwork> no, just that i can go back and pick a different step, if i want to
[02:25] <kendwork> i tried skipping to the grub install step, but... no grub yet! :(
[02:26] <odin__> :/
[02:26] <kendwork> woah, suddenly the archive i WAS using (US) is a Bad archive mirror :(
[02:26] <odin__> try another mirror
[02:26] <odin__> maybe european
[02:27] <kendwork> hrm, tried both UK ones
[02:27] <kendwork> did fiest _just_ go non-beta!? :)
[02:27] <_tintin_> salut les couche tard
[02:27] <odin__> i thought it was still beta :$
[02:28] <_tintin_> une question si je peux me permettre ...
[02:28] <odin__> tis still beta :p
[02:28] <_tintin_> comment on faait pour lire un docbook ?
[02:28] <kendwork> oh
[02:28] <kendwork> host name failure
[02:28] <kendwork> network wonked out here for a sec, but i guess i didn't notice
[02:29] <kendwork> ... ran route, can get to outside workd
[02:29] <odin__> you may have corrupted a file during the download
[02:29] <kendwork> s/workd/world/
[02:29] <kendwork> drat. same ol'
[02:30] <kendwork> "An installation step failed."
[02:30] <kendwork> suppose i should ask in #ubuntu, too/instead
[02:30] <odin__> yer :] 
[02:31] <odin__> sorry i wasnt much help, havnt found any1 with similar problems in the forums yet
[02:31] <kendwork> np, thx
[02:32] <philphoto> using the new kubuntu feisty install wizard, the page says there is a bug and to quit Adept.  WHEN do I quit adept?
[02:34] <philphoto> anyone?  anyone?
[02:35] <kendwork> philphoto - only just trying to install feisty via PXE onto a freshly bought laptop
[02:36] <kendwork> haven't played with the feisty upgrade wizard
[02:36] <philphoto> I'm just looking for someone to give me a proper interpretation of: "mportant: there is a bug in the tool, you need to quit Adept after it has started."
[02:36] <kendwork> ah - Ctrl+Alt+F4 is showing me log output
[02:36] <kendwork> ThAT's what I wondered about :)
[02:37] <eilker> !bind
[02:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bind - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:37] <eilker> 'dns
[02:37] <kendwork> quit adept after the wizard started?
[02:37] <eilker> !dns > eilker
[02:37] <philphoto> I tried.  it won't stop.  I could kill it in Konsole, but would the wizard still run?
[02:38] <philphoto> anyone out there who has gotten this installer to work properly?
[02:38] <kendwork> no idea; never used the wizard :(
[02:40] <kendwork> in-target: Unexpected error; command not executed: 'sh -c ...; export ...; .... tasksel --new-install --debconf-apt-from 20 --debconf-apt-to 850 --...
[02:40] <philphoto> jforonda:  totally off topic, but you wouldn't happen to be from north of LA would you?
[02:45] <scotty> Alright, question.
[02:45] <philphoto> Daisuke_Ido:  you mentioned you ran the Feisty install wizard & it worked fine.
[02:46] <scotty> I just installed apache (along with MySql, PHP, and everything else the wiki artical said to). It won't let me save anything to /var/www/ ... It says I don't have permissions. It says that root has ownership over it. How can I give myself write permissions?
[02:47] <philphoto> sudo before commandline
[02:47] <scotty> (I used sudo apt-get install apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server to install it, if that makes any difference)
[02:47] <philphoto> sudo is SuperUserDO as far as I've learned.  you're taking control at that point.
[02:48] <scotty> I just want to be able to save things to /var/www/ (for example, in Eclipse), so I can just go to localhost/whatever/whatever.php to view it.
[02:48] <hitmanWilly> scotty: chown the folder to yourself
[02:48] <scotty> hitmanWilly: How?
[02:49] <scotty> I'm fairly green with Linux.
[02:49] <kendwork> sudo chown your_username.your_group /var/www/
[02:49] <kendwork> your group is probably also your username
[02:49] <kendwork> that's the sledge-hammer approach :)
[02:49] <scotty> so
[02:49] <scotty> sudo chown scotty.scotty /var/www/ ?
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> scotty: that should work
[02:50] <kendwork> the more Un*xy way to do it would be to make sure your user account belongs to some group that can write into /var/www/
[02:50] <kendwork> like 'webmaster' or something.  dunno what, if anything, is already set up for that in ubuntu
[02:50] <philphoto> anyone out there help me with interpreting the upgrade page bug?
[02:50] <kendwork> not using it for web stuff ATM
[02:50] <kendwork> fitawav - don't say that :)
[02:51] <kendwork> this laptop didn't come with a WinXP disc :)
[02:51] <kendwork> not that i think my wife cares
[02:52] <philphoto> my friend from work is going to upgrade his family's computers to kubuntu & just tell them it's Vista  :D
[02:52] <FringeJacket> philphoto thats funny
[02:53] <philphoto> he said that his family doesn't want to put the effort into linux & I told him to config the appearance like Win Vista & just lie to them.
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> considering that the "new look" is ripped straight from KDE and macs, should work
[02:53] <philphoto> of course, they'd be the only people never complaining about Vista then either, saying how great it was...
[02:54] <hitmanWilly> lol
[02:54] <scotty> kendwork: I'd do that, except root owns /var/www/ and I don't want to add myself to the root group
[02:54] <philphoto> hitmanWilly:  I was philfo1 last night but did a new install today on a separate drive to try to take care of my super slow issue
[02:55] <hitmanWilly> philphoto: how did it go, sorry if i left you hanging :(
[02:55] <philphoto> no worries.
[02:55] <philphoto> I went to sleep.  nothing gets done under extremes of stress.
[02:56] <philphoto> got up after a few hours of rest, did the photo job, delivered the  products & now I'm trying to start fresh.
[02:56] <gdiebel> scotty: use fish kioslave or sshfs as root and that way you can save to /var/www from eclipse or whatever
[02:57] <scotty> gdiebel: explain a little further? lost me a bit, sorry
[02:57] <philphoto> but I NEED to know how to interpret something in the feisty upgrade url: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[02:58] <gdiebel> well if you are using a kde app such as kate or kdevelop, the fish kioslave (fish://root@localhost allows a userspace program to save files as root
[02:58] <gdiebel> it is easier than sudoing since the program is still userspace
[02:59] <gdiebel> since eclipse as you mentioned you are using does not use kio, sshfs will do the trick
[02:59] <gdiebel> sshfs root@localhost:/var/www ~/www
[03:03] <hansen> scotty: why not just chgrp -R www /var/www and add yourself to the www group ?
[03:03] <hansen> or whatever group /var/www already is owned by
[03:03] <philphoto> how many people here have upgraded to feisty?
[03:04] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: im doing it now
[03:04] <philphoto> are you using the wizard?
[03:04] <sonoftheclayr> yeah, it just started
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> philphoto: whatcha need?
[03:04] <genii> www-data
[03:04] <philphoto> so, when & how is it we quit adept after it starts?
[03:05] <hansen> philphoto: I'll do when it's released
[03:05] <philphoto> you mentioned to just follow the instructions & run the wizard to upgrade to feisty
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> once the upgrader launces, close adept (before it starts installing stuffs
[03:05] <philphoto> I can't.
[03:05] <philphoto> kill it in konsole?
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i just closed normally
[03:05] <hansen> what are the new major features in feisty? Besides the novelty of newer packages in general I mean
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> i think the issue is with cleanup, i think
[03:06] <philphoto> either way, I can't get out of adept.
[03:06] <genii> hansen More hardware recognised, some other stuff cleaned up so it runs faster overall
[03:06] <philphoto> Iv'e had enough problems with my last install of kubuntu, I don't want to go through that again
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't know :(
[03:06] <hansen> new installer it seems, and some "Guidance power manager"
[03:06] <DaSkreech> Feisty ftu!
[03:07] <DaSkreech> My sound is all scratchy :-(
[03:07] <sonoftheclayr> i installed a clean edgy on a different partition just to upgrade and test it our before i do on my main install
[03:07] <philphoto> have you got it done?
[03:08] <DaSkreech> coty: Hello
[03:08] <philphoto> I can't close adept, the wizard is running on it.
[03:08] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto finish the wizard and adept will close itself before the distribution upgrade tool comes up
[03:09] <philphoto> ok
[03:09] <philphoto> thanks.
[03:09] <philphoto> looks like it worked
[03:09] <coty> daskreech: hey
[03:09] <philphoto> *fingers crossed
[03:10] <DaSkreech> sonoftheclayr: Of who?
[03:10] <sonoftheclayr> DaSkreech huh?
[03:10] <DaSkreech> Son of who?
[03:11] <sonoftheclayr> haha the clayr, ever read garth nix's old kingdom trilogy?
[03:11] <DaSkreech> Nope
[03:11] <DaSkreech> Does he have a wiki page?
[03:11] <sonoftheclayr> good books
[03:11] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yo
[03:12] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yo
[03:12] <DaSkreech> Feisty or bust :-)
[03:12] <genii> Heh :)
[03:12] <aaroncampbell> How can I make firefox my default browser in Kubuntu?
[03:12] <Jucato> genii: offering a cup of coffee or tea would yield the same results :)
[03:13] <Jucato> aaroncampbell: 1) System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser
[03:13] <aaroncampbell> I seemed to be konqueror until I added galeon
[03:13] <Jucato> aaroncampbell: 2) "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" in Konsole
[03:14] <DaSkreech> !defaults
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about defaults - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <aaroncampbell> It says "In an application based on the contents of the URL"
[03:14] <aaroncampbell> Does that mean that it currently uses different browsers for different things?
[03:15] <Jucato> aaroncampbell: just put there "firefox"
[03:15] <Mena> how the Cdrom1 and 0 look like on kubuntu
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> photos will open in a photo viewer, urls in firefox, email addresses in kmail, etc
[03:15] <Mena> in the fstab
[03:15] <Mena> there lines
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> but yeah, replace with "firefox"
[03:15] <Mena> ?
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> er, urls in KONQUEROR, my mistake.
[03:16] <Mena> any one
[03:17] <Jucato> Mena: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[03:17] <Jucato> that's mine
[03:17] <Daisuke_Ido> mena: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[03:18] <Mena> jucato, ok Daisuke_Ido, ok (Thanks)
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> rw?
[03:18] <Mena> Bec there is something wrong on fiesty
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> there is?
[03:27] <ufo_> hi guys
[03:27] <scotty> One more question
[03:27] <DaSkreech> !ask
[03:27] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:27] <scotty> I have MySQL installed. How do I add a database?
[03:28] <scotty> I wasn't really asking to ask a question, just stating that I had one more, and proceeded to type it. :)
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Yeah we don't have a !state
[03:28] <genii> scotty You use mysqladmin. For more info on it, do "man mysqladmin" for all the options and syntax
[03:29] <DaSkreech> scotty: read the man page?
[03:29] <genii> also createdb if no database dir exists yet
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> no !state?  i disagree.  !confusion is a pretty common one :)
[03:31] <ufo_> hey...i've installed eciadsl driver for my usb modem
[03:31] <ufo_> now...everytime i want to use internet i must call the line eciadsl-config-text
[03:31] <ufo_> and then eciadsl-start
[03:32] <ufo_> so....how can i start internet without reconfiguration of modem?
[03:32] <ufo_> for example, can i use a command and load the configuration to use modem?
[03:32] <satempler> how do i rename a whole bunch of *.jpg's to "album art.jpg" all the jpegs are in many different directories
[03:32] <ufo_> please help me
[03:32] <intelikey> man eciadsl-config-text     does it not give a default config file ?
[03:33] <satempler> of course this is in the console
[03:33] <ufo_> yes...it give a config file
[03:33] <ufo_> and so?how can i use it?
[03:33] <intelikey> so save your config there
[03:33] <satempler> I would like to do this with 1 command
[03:33] <ufo_> there?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> ufo_: write one
[03:34] <DaSkreech> satempler: Eh? how do you give multiple files the same name?
[03:35] <satempler> DaSkreech: multiple .jpegs in different dir
[03:35] <DaSkreech> satempler: one jpg per dir?
[03:35] <satempler> DaSkreech: almost
[03:35] <satempler> DaSkreech: it's album
[03:35] <intelikey> satempler you can string as many commands togather as you need to     blah && blah || blah ; blah     the && will exec blah only if the former cammand was successful   the || only if not successful and ; either way.
[03:36] <DaSkreech> intelikey: tell him about for loops as well :)
[03:36] <satempler> intelikey: yes I know
[03:36] <satempler> intelikey: what command do I use
[03:36] <satempler> intelikey: what options,
[03:36] <intelikey> cp  or  mv
[03:37] <DaSkreech> satempler: mv
[03:37] <intelikey> better to play with cp cause you don't loose them that way if your string doesn't do what you thought it would.
[03:37] <satempler> ok so cp ~/Music/*.jpg ~/Music/album\ /art.jpg
[03:38] <intelikey> if you want them all in  "~/Music/album\ /"   then yes
[03:38] <ahlalo_elyon> What can I do when all my internet apps stop working?  For some reason, Firefox, Kopete, and others act like there is no internet connection (and yet I'm here on IRC and can run apt-get update without a problem)
[03:38] <satempler> is there a recursuve option
[03:38] <ufo_> ehy guy...if i use command: sudo wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf
[03:38] <ufo_> no modem will be find!!!!
[03:38] <intelikey> satempler yes.  man cp
[03:38] <ufo_> why?
[03:39] <satempler> intelikey: ya got it now
[03:39] <sonoftheclayr> ahlalo_elyon panic?
[03:39] <scotty> Alright, here's what I need. I installed Apache/MySQL/PHP on Kubuntu. I want to install Wordpress to /var/www/ so I can skin it offline. I need to create a database for that. Can someone give me the exact command I need? I read the man mysqladmin page, and I even got a front end (KMySQLAdmin), but I have no idea what to do. This is a little over my head.
[03:39] <DaSkreech> ahlalo_elyon: blacklist ipv6
[03:39] <ahlalo_elyon> sonoftheclayr: Helpful... thanks.
[03:39] <intelikey> ufo_ build one.      sudo wvdialconf > /etc/wvdial.conf ;sudo nano /etc/wvdial.conf
[03:39] <ahlalo_elyon> DaSkreech: I've already done that... long ago.
[03:39] <DaSkreech> ahlalo_elyon: Panic?
[03:39] <ufo_> ?
[03:39] <sonoftheclayr> DaSkreech: my next suggustetion
[03:39] <DaSkreech> ahlalo_elyon: Oh oh  test something for me
[03:39] <sonoftheclayr> suggestion*
[03:40] <DaSkreech> ahlalo_elyon: Go to a website
[03:40] <jarn> Is there anyway to create a window to contain other windows?
[03:40] <intelikey> ufo_ use that string.    but i think the default config is " /etc/wvdialrc "
[03:40] <ahlalo_elyon> ...well coming here was pointless.
[03:41] <sonoftheclayr> ahlalo_elyon: try konqueror i find that works sometimes when firefox doesn't
[03:41] <intelikey> ufo_ you can have user specific  ~/.wvdialrc files   and  wvdial will check for  ~/.wvdialrc and /etc/wvdialrc  by default.
[03:42] <intelikey> ahlalo_elyon what's the issue ?
[03:42] <intelikey> hmmmm it's always pointless to come here....
[03:43] <satempler> ok but i need the copy to stay in the dir so example i want to cp /Music/artist/album1/album1.jpg  to /Music/artist/album1/album artwork.jpg but many times in multiple dirs
[03:43] <satempler> and I am not sure how to do this
[03:43] <intelikey> genii pointlessness of pointlessnesses all is pointless  :)
[03:44] <DaSkreech> He didn't want to test for me :(
[03:44] <intelikey> satempler man find
[03:44] <genii> intelikey Well if you don't want it I'll drink it
[03:44] <genii> LOL
[03:45] <DaSkreech> intelikey: very solmomonic
[03:45] <intelikey> DaSkreech intentionally
[03:46] <intelikey> but one mo mo in that would be mo than i could handle
[03:46] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:46] <satempler> damn is there a GUI to the find command
[03:47] <intelikey> yes  it's in the kmenu
[03:47] <DaSkreech> satempler: locate:/
[03:47] <intelikey> DaSkreech that's not a gui
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+F in Konqui os :-p
[03:47] <DaSkreech> is
[03:48] <intelikey> konqueror is a gui   locate:/  is not.   it's  a command string applied within the gui
[03:48] <intelikey> symantics....
[03:48] <DaSkreech> which counts as a GUI wrapper
[03:50] <intelikey> but at any rate what satempler wants and i'm not willing to do for him is something like     find / -iname *.blah -exec mv '{}' /some/place \;
[03:50] <OneLander> can someone answer an amarok and last.fm question #amarok is really quiet right now.
[03:50] <gdiebel> intelikey: you mean semantics
[03:51] <satempler> intelikey: thanks for some direction
[03:51] <intelikey> gdiebel did i?
[03:52] <Daisuke_Ido> well if you know how, and he doesn't, is it painful to show someone how to do something in the hopes that that person may apply that knowledge in other areas or pass it on to someone else?
[03:52] <satempler> intelikey: i have done this before to remove any file except .mp3 and that command look like it I think I know what to do with it
[03:52] <soulrider> guys, what can i se to see what the free space on a partition is ?
[03:52] <intelikey> OneLander you can always ask and see.
[03:52] <DaSkreech> OneLander: No clue till you ask it
[03:52] <DaSkreech> soulrider: df -h
[03:53] <soulrider> OneLander: you can just ask stuff here, no one will say anythign bad to you ;)
[03:53] <intelikey> soulrider if it's mounted df if it's not you'll have to go some other woute
[03:53] <intelikey> route
[03:53] <soulrider> k, cool
[03:53] <soulrider> that command is just awesome
[03:54] <soulrider> ohh, listen to this
[03:54] <OneLander> thanks...  running amarok 1.4.3 on Ubuntu 6.06.  I just created a last.fm account, when I try to listen to my last.fm playlist I get an error saying that the only subscribers can listen.  I am one and I have verified the username and password.
[03:54] <ufo_> why in the panel of connection i find only eth0 eth1 while i use a modem usb????
[03:54] <ufo_> ?
[03:54] <intelikey> ufo_ kppp
[03:54] <OneLander> Kubuntu 6.06 that is
[03:54] <soulrider> my dad said he wanted to try linux out, but still keep windows to use autocad. Im getting a new computer and hes keeping mine, an di got vmware installed here, so i might be able to convinve him to just use linux and vmware, no windows installed :) just ubuntu =D
[03:54] <sonoftheclayr> OneLander have you put your username and password into the last.fm part of the amarok settings?
[03:55] <OneLander> sonoftheclayr: yes
[03:55] <OneLander> sonoftheclayr: I have re-entered the information a couple of times too.
[03:55] <soulrider> OneLander: maybe its subscribers as in 'people that pay' =/
[03:55] <sonoftheclayr> soulrider it isn't because i use amarok with my last.fm account
[03:56] <soulrider> oh, ok
[03:56] <OneLander> sonoftheclayr: what version of amarok are your running?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> intelikey:  can't you df -h /dev/notmounted ?
[03:56] <gdiebel> OneLander: you should get 1.4.5 from kubuntu.org
[03:56] <sonoftheclayr> OneLander 1.4.5
[03:56] <intelikey> DaSkreech try it and see what it does
[03:57] <intelikey> DaSkreech short answer is no.
[03:57] <OneLander> i might do that but I just had a thought..  maybe my password is a little to wierd for the client to handle.  i will try that
[03:57] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I'd have to unmount something :-(
[03:57] <DaSkreech> okie :)
[03:57] <OneLander> i do have a sneaky suspicion that i will want to get the latest version though
[03:57] <DaSkreech> OneLander: randomly jumps languages?
[03:57] <intelikey> all you will get is info on the tmpfs mounted on /dev
[03:58] <truevox> !bluetooth
[03:58] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[03:58] <OneLander> DaSkreech: no but i am going to try a basic password with just letters and numbers and nothing else
[03:59] <DaSkreech> That is one thing that I find Linux isn't great with
[03:59] <intelikey> might be a good idea you never know what they use as delimiters
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Not sure if I should blame the file system or KDE
[03:59] <intelikey> DaSkreech what's that ?
[03:59] <OneLander> heh forgot that / quit does != / leave  ha!
[03:59] <DaSkreech> having a file that changes it's language set somewhere in the name
[04:00] <DaSkreech>  Windows will open/play/assess the file ok
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Linux will freak
[04:00] <scotty> How can I find MySQL's password?
[04:00] <soulrider> we need to add one to the kubuntu users counter, today my classmate came to my house because he wanted to have kubuntu installe don his machine :)
[04:00] <soulrider> lets hope he does well
[04:01] <genii> scotty If it is a first setup it's default name/passwd is just mysql/mysql
[04:02] <soulrider> !info scilab
[04:02] <ubotu> scilab: Matrix-based scientific software package (a la Matlab and Xmath). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.0-2 (edgy), package size 4103 kB, installed size 48288 kB
[04:02] <OneLander> dang! it was not the password
[04:02] <soulrider> lol intelikey
[04:02] <soulrider> we asked me to install it
[04:02] <soulrider> because hes giving that computer to his parents
[04:02] <intelikey> yes i caught that.
[04:03] <ufo_> kppp give this errore: invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[04:03] <OneLander> anyone have experience compiling amarok 1.4.5 on Kubuntu 6.06?  just asking in case I have questions.
[04:04] <intelikey> ufo_ hmmm    and   wvdial works ?
[04:04] <ufo_> yes
[04:04] <wolferine> what package is needed for compiling again??
[04:04] <soulrider> build-essential
[04:04] <soulrider> and checkinstall
[04:04] <intelikey> work around, make a wvdial launcher on the desktop ?
[04:05] <ufo_> hmmmm.....?
[04:05] <OneLander> ufo_: is your modem a winmodem>
 what package is needed for compiling <<< only gcc actually.   but build-essential is desirable
[04:05] <OneLander> ufo_: this may help -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-207372.html
[04:07] <genii> wolverine Some source code may also need on occasion kernel-headers and linux-source
[04:08] <intelikey> genii yeah but if you get into build dependancies you just as well add   *-dev
[04:09] <genii> intelikey: Yeah true :)
[04:09] <truevox> !headset
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about headset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <truevox> !bluetooth
[04:09] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[04:10] <intelikey> i'll bet you that every body here (that is running linux) has one thing installed that i don't.
[04:11] <soulrider> xorg :P
[04:11] <intelikey> *perl*
[04:11] <soulrider> why is perl needed?
[04:12] <intelikey> i don't need it.   heh     but a lot of the pre/post inst/rm scripts in the package configuration are written in perl
[04:13] <CaptainApathy> that reminds me..
[04:13] <soulrider> ah
[04:13] <soulrider> is perl code sort of like java?
[04:13] <intelikey> also some system utilities    update-*   and the like
[04:13] <soulrider> you need perl installed to run it
[04:13] <CaptainApathy> soulrider: uh... well, yes, you need an interpreter to run perl
[04:13] <soulrider> you cant just make a binary >
[04:13] <CaptainApathy> it's not like it gets compiled down to byte code
[04:13] <soulrider> ?
[04:13] <CaptainApathy> no, it's a scripting language
[04:14] <intelikey> soulrider yes perl is a scripting language
[04:14] <soulrider> ahh k
[04:14] <OneLander> perl is cool.
[04:14] <intelikey> #perl is not.
[04:14] <intelikey> :)
[04:15] <OneLander> intelikey: good place to meet some nice blokes, eh?  HA!
[04:15] <intelikey> i had a perl question so i went in  #perl to ask  (that would seem logical)  they said if you pay us we'll help you.
[04:16] <intelikey> so i said i don't need perl on my system.
[04:16] <intelikey> AND REMOVED EVERY TRACE OF IT !
[04:16] <soulrider> lol
[04:16] <intelikey> :)
[04:17] <OneLander> intelikey: sounds like #linux on irc.stealth.net - can be elitist but we wanted people to help themselves first.  hopefully this channel is nothing like it
[04:17] <soulrider> #kubuntu ?
[04:17] <soulrider> no one will tell youy "google it" or "RTFM" here
[04:17] <soulrider> the worse you might get ios
[04:17] <soulrider> "i dont know, maybe look int he forums" -- by me :P
[04:17] <intelikey> soulrider well i might....  but depends on the case.
[04:18] <OneLander> soulrider: the best answer was "the internet"
[04:18] <soulrider> lol intelikey, theres allways people heree that will wanna help
[04:18] <prak> does anyone know how to repair a situation with kubuntu where i can't get further than the login screen?
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> prak: mount /home :)
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> prak: did you make /home it's own partition?
[04:19] <intelikey> OneLander yeah they in #perl didn't even offer to send me to the internet    they acted like they were the secret holders and only money would talk there...    sounded a lot like M$ to me...
[04:19] <OneLander> prak: do you mean the X login or login:?
[04:19] <genii> prak login to console, then issue: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop
[04:20] <OneLander> intelikey: oh wow, that is not good
[04:20] <Jucato> genii: might be an out of disk space issue
[04:20] <soulrider> intelikey: such a pile of MS :P
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Could have messed up .kde
[04:20] <genii> Jucato, yes conceivable
[04:20] <shaggyoaf> Hey, all. I've got this trouble where my screensaver seems to log me out of KE so I want to turn it off, but when I load the screensaver page in kcontrol, it logs me out of KDE
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: that's because they are so confused by their own language they don't understand HOW to help people with it. perl is the furthest thing from a jewel of a programming language I've ever seen.
[04:21] <shaggyoaf> Does anybody know what file I need to hand-edit to make this happen?
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> although I do like some of the regex power of it.
[04:21] <shaggyoaf> s/KE/KDE
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> even though it's slower than all hell.
[04:21] <OneLander> if not perl than sed
[04:21] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: python also has really good regex stuff in it and I've heard good things about ruby
[04:21] <intelikey> LeeJunFan prolly right...   all i was asking is how to get the content of $VAR to the stdout    heh
[04:22] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: (if you're looking for a new language)
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> I think in most cases where regex with perl looks like the way to go, one could write C code and the time it takes perl to regex will make up for the compile time of the C code.
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: don't need to sell me on python :)
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm...  why would visualboy advance not be reading my controller :\
[04:22] <intelikey> shaggyoaf i've heard lots of hype for ruby too.
[04:23] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: see, that's the thing about choirs, they never need me to preach to them
[04:23] <intelikey> oh btw i don't have python installed either
[04:23] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: I've (unfortunately) been doing a lot of perl recently but I logged on after your question... Hit me again?
[04:24] <Daisuke_Ido> i can set the gamepad layout in, say VBAExpress, the pad works in FCEU and ZSNES...  any ideas?
[04:24] <OneLander> shaggyoaf: can you type this to turn off the screensaver? xscreensaver-command -exit
[04:24] <intelikey> shaggyoaf it was weaks ago  i was trying to fix a broken perl script on this box  and was asking how to get the variable $VAR outputed to stdout so i could test it's content....
[04:24] <intelikey> sounds simble enough.
[04:25] <shaggyoaf> OneLander: I don't know, but I'm concerned that if I try it, it'll log me out of KDE... Lemme finish with intelikey first
[04:25] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: I'm guessing print "$VAR\n"; didn't work?
[04:26] <intelikey> shaggyoaf nothing i tried worked.  but i don't know perl.   i did try print $VAR     tho
[04:26] <OneLander> print STDOUT "$VAR\n" would have done what you want
[04:27] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: well, it sounds like this problem is behind you. I could try to help if you still need it solved, but I'd need to ask you some questions that would probably make you look at the code
[04:27] <OneLander> at least it should, have not coded in perl in a while
[04:27] <intelikey> OneLander k i'll try to remember that should i ever play with $$$ perl again.
[04:28] <OneLander> intelikey: you have have to open STDOUT before you write to it but I don't believe you have to
[04:28] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: print $VAR; really should have worked, unless somebody had dup2'd and reassigned STDOUT
[04:28] <shaggyoaf> ...I don't even know how to do that in perl
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: it's peril not perl :)
[04:29] <OneLander> s/have have/may have/
[04:29] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: it's also possible thar $VAR didn't have anything in it, if you hit it again, try: print "\"$VAR\"\n";
[04:29] <intelikey> shaggyoaf yeah and i don't have that script now nor the intreptor  now so....
[04:29] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: that way if you get: "" you'll know what happened
[04:29] <shaggyoaf> <sarcasm tone="good humor">Oh! Just when I thought I could be of genuine use in the open source community!</sarcasm>
[04:30] <intelikey> yeah i do things like   echo "$blah blah"   in bash to test things...
[04:30] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: yeah, same thing. :)
[04:31] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: I've gotten fairly good at perl recently and I *did* get over my initial aversion, I don't absolutely hate it anymore but I'm still sticking with LeeJunFan... If you have a choice, I recommend you use anything but perl. :)
[04:32] <genii> I like php better than perl
[04:32] <intelikey> shaggyoaf heh...  that's what i was told when i first started writting shell scripts.   "any thing but bash"   :)
[04:32] <OneLander> bash awk and sed are the way to go!  muah!
[04:32] <genii> OneLander: :)
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> python beats em all
[04:32] <OneLander> for the openbsd people out there: ksh awk and sed
[04:33] <genii> hitmanWilly: Actually python ain't bad
[04:33] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: oh, :( I like bash
[04:33] <intelikey> OneLander bash and sed i can get along with fairly well but awk i have never tried to lern.
[04:33] <OneLander> intelikey: i can do about 1 simple thing with it.  never tried to use it to its fullest extent.  funny thing is i go to perl for that  :)
[04:34] <intelikey> lol
[04:35] <OneLander> shaggyoaf: i guess it logged you out?
[04:35] <shaggyoaf> OneLander: heh... no go :)
[04:35] <OneLander> shaggyoaf: hmm.. there has to be a way.
[04:35] <shaggyoaf> it's pretty irritating, every time I leave the box for ten minutes (usually it's doing something useful), I get logged out :)
[04:35] <intelikey> what is the issue   (not that i'll have an answer...)  ?
[04:36] <shaggyoaf> anybody know how I hand-edit my KDE configuration when the screen saver widget in kcontrol logs me out of KDE?
[04:36] <shaggyoaf> (and so does allowing the screensaver to come on)
[04:36] <shaggyoaf> no file in .kde has the word 'screen' or 'saver' in its name
[04:36] <intelikey> shaggyoaf right click the desktop  preferances  screen-saver    has option to logout or lock
[04:37] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: I'll bet that brings up the QT widget that's crashing in the first place
[04:37] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: I'll try it anyway, but if I dissapear, it's not because I hate you. :)
[04:37] <intelikey> oh yeah it will
[04:38] <intelikey> shaggyoaf  what version kde   and what release ubuntu ?
[04:39] <OneLander> shaggyoaf: do you have a .screensaver file in your /home drive - the other option is to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and then kill the screensaver process
[04:39] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: not sure on the version of KDE, but I'm in Feisty Beta
[04:39] <shaggyoaf> OneLander: nope
[04:39] <OneLander> shaggyoaf: then again you dont even have to do Ctrl-Alt-Backspace you could just kill it
[04:39] <coty> intelikey: i got beryl installed but it does not seem to want to work
[04:39] <intelikey> shaggyoaf in #ubuntu+1  they may or may not be aware of this...  please mention it there.
[04:40] <shaggyoaf> intelikey: good idea :)
[04:40] <DaSkreech> coty: you got your new computer?
[04:40] <coty> intelikey: i click on run bery-manager and my bottom bar disappears
[04:40] <OneLander> shaggyoaf: that is really weird.  i wonder if your video driver is the problem.  do you see any errors in /var/log/xorg.log.0?
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: you get logged out or do you come back to a blank screen?
[04:40] <coty> DaSkreech: no that will be this weekend
[04:40] <coty> blank screen
[04:40] <DaSkreech> This is still the intel Video card?
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: you may be hitting the bug I'm getting here.
[04:40] <intelikey> coty i'd like to help on that but you are out of my realm there i'm the cli guy.
[04:40] <coty> and all aps messed up
[04:41] <coty> ok
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> coty: messed up how?
[04:41] <coty> like i click on run beryl manager and my bottom task bar disappears and al my apps come up
[04:41] <OneLander> intelikey: have you tried using the 'vesa' driver if you are not using it?
[04:41] <coty> and i cant do anything
[04:41] <coty> so i have to log out
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> right.  messed up how?
[04:42] <Daisuke_Ido> descriptions
[04:42] <philphoto> holy cow!
[04:42] <Bonhomme> hey all, can anyone tell me how kubuntu sets up the floppy disk by default?
[04:42] <coty> well
[04:42] <intelikey> OneLander i'm sure you meant that for someone else.
[04:42] <coty> lets see
[04:42] <Bonhomme> is it /dev/fda or what?
[04:42] <shaggyoaf> OneLander: nope, all looks normal in Xorg.0.log
[04:42] <coty> i click run beryl manager
[04:42] <OneLander> intelikey: yes i thank you
[04:42] <coty> then i see no icon
[04:42] <OneLander> shaggyoaf: what video driver are you using?
[04:42] <philphoto> over 1.5 hours for the Feisty upgrade.
[04:42] <coty> then all the sudden my bottom task bar disappears
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah it killed your window manager
[04:42] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: what's your bug?
[04:42] <coty> after that
[04:43] <coty> everything i had running pops up
[04:43] <shaggyoaf> OneLander: whatever the latest proprietary nvidia driver from their website is
[04:43] <OneLander> Bonhomme: /dev/fd0 would be the floppy disk
[04:43] <philphoto> I got an error on bootup though.
[04:43] <coty> and i cant get out of it
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: I have a problem where kdesktop crashes (which btw is where your screensaver info is stored), as near as I can tell it requires dpms and amarok to be running - odd combo.
[04:43] <coty> so i have to turn the computer off
[04:43] <intelikey> philphoto that's normal with a fast inet connection.
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> visual errors?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> coty: You don't have to
[04:43] <philphoto> the application process failed on system startup.
[04:43] <Bonhomme> OneLander: thanks... but it's not in /etc/fstab by default?
[04:43] <tmbg> when feisty goes primetime, I'll see the alert in the adept manager t hingy right?
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: .kde/share/config/kdesktoprc I think.
[04:43] <DaSkreech> coty: You can jump to a terminal
[04:43] <intelikey> philphoto weaks on a slowdem
[04:43] <coty> not sure if that is what you call it
[04:43] <philphoto> but I didn't catch which app.
[04:43] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: I've never even heard of dpms, what is it?
[04:43] <coty> daskreech: how
[04:43] <OneLander> shaggyoaf: try switching to the 'vesa' driver, other than that make certain you have the correct version of the nvidia driver i fell into that trap
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: that's powersaving.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> coty: Ok don't do anything till I tell you
[04:44] <philphoto> how can I look up my error log to see what that bootup error was?
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: when your screen goes into power saving mode.
[04:44] <coty> alright
[04:44] <OneLander> Bonhomme: /dev/fd0        /media/floppy   auto    user,noauto     0       0
[04:44] <coty> by the way someone said i should use beryl with ubuntu
[04:44] <intelikey> philphoto dmesg
[04:44] <DaSkreech> coty: When you press alt+ctrl+F1 it will take you to a terminal you can login to
[04:44] <philphoto> thx
[04:44] <coty> ok
[04:44] <DaSkreech> coty: You can put in any command you want there
[04:44] <DaSkreech> coty: Alt+Ctrl+f7 brings you back here
[04:44] <Bonhomme> OneLander: that's what I had expected to see too ... but I got "mount: can't find /media/floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[04:44] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: huh... that *is* odd, does anybody know if dcop keeps logs?
[04:44] <coty> daskreech: can i run beryl from it
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: if you can't even load the screensaver thing w/o crashing out, I'd just rm your kdesktoprc file and maybe kwinrc and relog in.
[04:45] <Bonhomme> OneLander: and a quick look in fstab confirmed it wasn't there ... weird (no matter, I found it through the GUI)
[04:45] <DaSkreech> coty: Not really but you can kill kdm and bring it back up
[04:45] <intelikey> philphoto might want to filter that.     dmesg | less    so you can scroll it.
[04:45] <coty> ok
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Without having to reboot
[04:45] <coty> im going to try it
[04:45] <OneLander> Bonhomme: cool
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: you'd just have to reconfig things like your background, etc.
[04:45] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: hmmm, I think I'd prefer to munge the screensaver section and see if that helps
[04:45] <philphoto> 11 seconds to open konsole.
[04:45] <DaSkreech> coty: try alt+ctrl+f1 and login
[04:45] <philphoto> still slow
[04:45] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: I might drop off in a sec :)
[04:45] <Bonhomme> ok now it's failing to format this floppy disk - "unable to determine floppy geometry"
[04:45] <DaSkreech> then Alt+Ctrl+F7
[04:45] <OneLander> Bonhomme: although it should have done it for you that.  that is weird that it did not
[04:46] <philphoto> but it definitely is faster
[04:46] <intelikey> looks like plenty of help in here right now so i'm going to waft off like a puff of smoke in the breeze
[04:46] <DaSkreech> philphoto: What changed?
[04:46] <OneLander> philphoto: did you read about the /etc/hosts edit to make some of those programs load faster?
[04:46] <philphoto> speed
[04:46] <DaSkreech> philphoto: What caused the speed bump?
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13050/
[04:47] <philphoto> no, haven't read that.  been trying to work with teh computer to do photo retouching.  this is my first chance in a few dyas to do any maint
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: there's my screensaver section - just blank screen w/ lock.
[04:47] <philphoto> I have no idea what made the system slow.
[04:47] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: well, I've now identified *my* problem... When I took the screensaver I was using out of the file you showed me and loaded kde's screensaver configurator, it didn't crash
[04:47] <OneLander> philphoto: http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/performance-tip-for-ubuntu-edgy-and.html
[04:47] <philphoto> now that I have run: "dmesg | less"  where do I look for that error & what do I do to fix it?
[04:48] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: and I clicked on a couple of screensavers, but as soon as I hit one in the GL section, I got logged out. :)
[04:48] <DaSkreech> shaggyoaf: I was going to ask if it was a particualr screensaver you had configured
[04:48] <DaSkreech>  it seems much more liekly to me that it's a particualr screensaver
[04:48] <DaSkreech> !opengl
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <DaSkreech> !GL
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Dumb Bot
[04:48] <hitmanWilly> !video
[04:48] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: I wonder how you got the bad one set in the first place, it must have worked at one time :/
[04:49] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: not if it's on random
[04:49] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: Are you running any GL apps when your screensaver went down?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> shaggyoaf: I think that there is an option to not use GL screensavers
[04:49] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: s/screensaver/KDE session
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: yeah, true.
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :-)
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: no gl on the screensaver, but I run beryl.
[04:49] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: yeah, I'm curious about that, too... this one was working yesterday. :)
[04:50] <stdin> OneLander: that looks like it only apples to gnome
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: if it was on random though I think it should come up on random when he clicks on the screensaver config, not go straight to crashing.
[04:50] <shaggyoaf> LeeJunFan: huh... nvidia card?
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> shaggyoaf: no ATI
[04:50] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: Likely starts on the last one used
[04:51] <OneLander> stdin: although i don't believe it is that specific but i do not know because i still run dapper
[04:51] <stdin> OneLander: well the bug is filed against gnome-session
[04:52] <OneLander> stdin: ah.. ok then i am mistaken..  either way though it seems like a rather silly bug to me
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> I did fine one screensaver related bug report recently - if you disable dpms then the selected screensaver is ignored, blank only is used, and it won't lock the screen.
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> s/fine/file
[04:52] <stdin> OneLander: blame those silly gnome devs :P
[04:53] <OneLander> stdin: heh :)
[04:53] <philphoto> ok, this error I experienced on first bootup, could it negatively affect the performance of my comp?
[04:53] <OneLander> stdin: actually i think Linus has done enough of that  HA!
[04:53] <Bonhomme> bah, fdformat from terminal works. right-click format on floppy drive in GUI doesn't
[04:54] <Bonhomme> maybe I needed to have run 'setfdprm' for the GUI to work ...
[04:54] <DaSkreech> coty: ha ha :-)
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Forgot how to get back?
[04:55] <coty> daskreech2: no
[04:55] <coty> daskreech: i came back and it was the same
[04:55] <philphoto> how do I find my hostname?  is that philphoto?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> coty: Oh right :)
[04:55] <DaSkreech> coty: You could have asked me :-)
[04:55] <DaSkreech> that was part two
[04:55] <thev> hi, can someone tell me a good, easy webpage creator for KDE?
[04:55] <coty> daskreech: well i could not get to the irc
[04:55] <DaSkreech> !ide
[04:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <DaSkreech> coty: I can help you with that  as well
[04:56] <coty> daskreech: beryl is nothing but huge pain
[04:56] <Bonhomme> o_O to be honest ubotu, that's a pretty big thing for a factoid bot not to know about
[04:56] <DaSkreech> coty: I did tell you to get Wifi working
[04:56] <stdin> thev: Quanta is what I use, but search adept too
[04:56] <DaSkreech> !human rights
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about human rights - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <coty> daskreech: I still have not done that
[04:57] <thev> I really just want a WYSIWYG editor for some simple things
[04:57] <coty> !botkill
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botkill - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <DaSkreech> coty: Since Beryl is driving you lets make life a little easier
[04:57] <Jucato> !botabuse
[04:57] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[04:57] <coty> daskreech: please do m
[04:57] <DaSkreech> open a konsole
[04:57] <Bonhomme> ok hands up anyone who's successfully formatted a floppy using ubuntu before ... the last time I had to format a floppy was when dos5 was cutting edge and unstable kernels were 2.1.x
[04:57] <coty> daskreech; mkay
[04:57] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install irssi
[04:57] <coty> daskreech: mkay
[04:57] <Bonhomme> this is giving me errors on the 'verifying' stage
[04:58] <Bonhomme> on 2 discs now .. they're brand new
[04:58] <coty> daskreech: it tells me i have the latest
[04:58] <DaSkreech> schweet
[04:58] <DaSkreech> irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[04:58] <OneLander> Bonhomme: format to what format?  are you sure the drive is good?
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Bonhomme: Checked you md5?
[04:59] <Bonhomme> OneLander: the drive better be good >_>
[04:59] <coty> daskreech: ok now what
[04:59] <Bonhomme> OneLander: I assume I'm now formatting to whatever is the default for fdformat which is probably ext2?
[04:59] <DaSkreech> type /join #kubuntu
[04:59] <Bonhomme> OneLander: md5? it's not getting past the format stage...
[04:59] <Bonhomme> OneLander: the drive hasn't been used for a while (a few years) but otherwise should be good
[04:59] <thev> Quanta looks good, thanks for the tip stdin
[04:59] <coty_> cool
[04:59] <OneLander> Bonhomme: what is the string you are typing to format?
[05:00] <coty_> sweet
[05:00] <Bonhomme> it's been living in a system that gets used all the time so shouldn't be too, umm, rusty
[05:00] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:00] <coty_> im talking from it
[05:00] <DaSkreech> So now you can irc from the terminal
[05:00] <stdin> thev: amaya is supposed to be WYSIWYG, never used it tho
[05:00] <coty_> and can see it on my other
[05:00] <Bonhomme> OneLander: setfdprm /dev/fd0 1440/1440 then fdformat /dev/fd0
[05:00] <DaSkreech> coty_: Hello
[05:00] <coty_> hello
[05:00] <coty_> now what should i do daskreech
[05:00] <coty_> Hi coty
[05:00] <DaSkreech> coty_: So now you can get help even if you have no X
[05:01] <DaSkreech> or no GUI if you like
[05:01] <coty_> sweet
[05:01] <DaSkreech> You can /quit if you like
[05:01] <OneLander> Bonhomme: how about mkfs.ext2 /dev/fd0
[05:01] <coty_> I'm likeing it to much
[05:01] <Bonhomme> OneLander: thing is I really think I need a dos one
[05:01] <OneLander> Bonhomme: ahh.. then you may want to try mformat a: (using mtools)
[05:02] <Bonhomme> OneLander: mkfs.vfat instead?
[05:02] <OneLander> Bonhomme: that should work too
[05:02] <Bonhomme> ooh
[05:02] <coty_> So how am im ever going to get beryl to work
[05:02] <coty_> is even possible
[05:02] <coty_> or should i give up
[05:02] <DaSkreech> coty_: I take it you don't have anything open you need to save?
[05:02] <Bonhomme> mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing FAT
[05:02] <Bonhomme> bah
[05:02] <coty_> no[e
[05:02] <coty_> nope
[05:02] <OneLander> Bonhomme: you may need to be root to run it
[05:03] <OneLander> Bonhomme: mformat should not require it if I remember correctly
[05:03] <coty_> anyone how gets beryl to work for me gets free sneakers LOL
[05:03] <coty_> i mean snickers
[05:03] <Bonhomme> OneLander: hmm mkfs.vfat as root: "mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing reserved sector"
[05:03] <DaSkreech> coty_: Ok then alt+ctrl+F1 and login then alt+ctrl+F7 to come back here
[05:03] <coty> ok
[05:03] <coty> one sec
[05:03] <coty> ok back
[05:04] <Bonhomme> OneLander: mformat: plain_io: Input/output error .. mformat: Error reading from '/dev/fd0', wrong parameters?
[05:04] <Bonhomme> the drive made some noises though
[05:04] <DaSkreech> coty:  alright go back to the terminal and type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:05] <Bonhomme> OneLander: /var/log/messages is filled with various floppy-related errors like floppy0: sector not found: track 0, head 0, sector 9, size 2
[05:06] <Bonhomme> ugh, if the drive is broken I'm going to be Very Unhappy (TM)
[05:06] <coty> daskreech: command not found
[05:06] <OneLander> Bonhomme: hmmm..  I am not certain...
[05:06] <Bonhomme> you would not believe how hard it was to find a shop that even stocks the bloody _disks_
[05:06] <DaSkreech> coty: WHAAA?
[05:07] <DaSkreech> Ok in the konsole pres Ctrl+Shift+N
[05:07] <OneLander> ARGH!!!  even amarok 1.4.5 does not want to get stream from last.fm....
[05:07] <Bonhomme> is there a scientific way to independently test the floopy drive?
[05:07] <coty> daskreech: one sec
[05:07] <DaSkreech> coty: You forget mR I hate Ununtu yesterday
[05:07] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu
[05:08] <coty> daskreech: what
[05:08] <coty> daskreech: it did not work
[05:08] <DaSkreech> coty: Bigger pain than you
[05:08] <Bonhomme> or is it "try n different floppy disks and when they all fail it's the drive"
[05:08] <coty> daksreech: oh yeah
[05:08] <coty> daskreech: the one that made me mad
[05:08] <DaSkreech> coty: Ctrl+Shift+N doesn't open a new tab?
[05:08] <coty> daskreech: nope
[05:09] <OneLander> Bonhomme: you could take a know good disk, that you don't mind if it gets damaged, and try and access it
[05:09] <DaSkreech> In Konsole?
[05:09] <coty> nope
[05:09] <coty> daskreech: i think i should upgrade
[05:09] <DaSkreech> coty: fine click session -> new shell
[05:09] <coty> daskreech: i did
[05:10] <Bonhomme> OneLander: don't have such an animal unfortunately ... when I realised I needed a floppy disk I had to go out and buy a pack
[05:10] <DaSkreech> new tab?
[05:10] <coty> daskreech: yeap
[05:10] <DaSkreech> OK
[05:10] <DaSkreech> I wonder if I changed my shortcut keys
[05:10] <DaSkreech> anyway
[05:10] <genii> some op - in #ubuntu a bad spammer/racist
[05:10] <OneLander> Bonhomme: hmm..  what is the floppy to be used for?
[05:10] <DaSkreech> type ls /etc/init.d/kd*
[05:10] <genii> I forget how to call ops
[05:10] <coty> daskreech: ok
[05:11] <Bonhomme> OneLander: and the first place I want to (harris technology in aus... known for its high prices but good stock base) didn't have them
[05:11] <DaSkreech> try !ops
[05:11] <DaSkreech> genii: ^^^
[05:11] <Bonhomme> OneLander: well, I've got a dual boot windows XP
[05:11] <DaSkreech> genii: go go go
[05:11] <Bonhomme> OneLander: and I've been happily running SP1 for years ... but recently got a new phone (SE m600i) and the PC sync software _requires_ SP2
[05:11] <Blu3> how can i install kubuntu and make it use HDA instead of SDA? :P
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Blu3: You have two hard drives?
[05:12] <Blu3> no, i have one IDE drive
[05:12] <Bonhomme> OneLander: so I went to install that ... it hit some error during the install, said "windows has been partially updated and may not work properly", and forcibly rebooted... since then it blue screen on boot
[05:12] <tmbg> I have two as well.
[05:12] <tmbg> I just picked the disk I wanted. it was very straightforward and simple
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Blu3: and it is coming up as a SATA drive?
[05:12] <Blu3> kubuntu identifies it as scsi using scsi-ide mod instead of as ide
[05:12] <Bonhomme> OneLander: the installer on the windows CD doesn't seem to recognise my hard drives (originally had to use a floppy with some drivers on it)
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Blu3: Is it a SATA?
[05:13] <tmbg> mine I spat onto sdb though.
[05:13] <Bonhomme> OneLander: actually the installer one-ups that and blue screens at the hard drive selection screen
[05:13] <stdin> Blu3: feisty?
[05:13] <OneLander> Bonhomme: ouch!
[05:13] <Blu3> yes
[05:13] <Bonhomme> OneLander: so I downloaded the drivers I want from the relevant website, but need a floppy to run said installer to fix my windows
[05:13] <Blu3> it's plain old IDE
[05:14] <stdin> Blu3: sda IS hda
[05:14] <Blu3> tell that to hdparm :P
[05:14] <Bonhomme> Blu3: are you sure you haven't got them going in some kind of on-board IDE raid setup?
[05:15] <OneLander> Bonhomme: Yeah, M$ is still stuck in the stone ages with the floppy requirement
[05:15] <Blu3> a;sldkfjasl;dfk.  it's a laptop, every other distro sees it as plain IDE like it is
[05:15] <stdin> Blu3: all ATA is handled by libata and are all not part of the scsi system, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[05:15] <Bonhomme> Blu3: some IDE raid controllers will show drives as sdx even if they're IDE, and even if they're not raided
[05:15] <Blu3> if i had raid in my laptop, that'd be nice.  but it isn't
[05:16] <Bonhomme> Blu3:  even if it's a single disk on a raid-capable controller
[05:16] <coty> daskreech: i was thinking maybe the reason beryl does not work is because of my settins
[05:16] <jarn> Is there a way to get KDE to close Firefox correctly when I log out?
[05:16] <Bonhomme> Blu3: or, if the controller it is on happens to get assigned the driver for a similar, but different raid-capable controller from the same family
[05:16] <stdin> Blu3: my disk is IDE (ATA), but shows as sda in feisty
[05:16] <coty> !cli
[05:16] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:16] <DaSkreech> coty: What just happened?
[05:16] <coty> daskreech: forogt
[05:16] <coty> forgot
[05:17] <Bonhomme> OneLander: sigh, well back to square one I guess
[05:17] <DaSkreech> coty: Hmm?
[05:17] <OneLander> Bonhomme: wish I could help some more
[05:17] <coty> daskreech: something like my computer shut down LOL
[05:17] <DaSkreech> cat?
[05:17] <coty> dont we all
[05:17] <coty> daskreech: what about cat
[05:17] <Bonhomme> OneLander: actually I'm not sure what square one _is_ ... so do I buy a new floppy drive now? gees
[05:17] <Blu3> i don't want it showing as sda (via libata) because hdparm is thereby useless
[05:18] <DaSkreech> coty: turned off your computer?
[05:18] <Bonhomme> Blu3: surely you can solve this by compiling your own kernel and selecting the drivers you want for IDE?
[05:18] <Blu3> it gets configured slow and makes the machine laggy when doing a lot of disk access
[05:18] <coty> daskreech: i had to turn it off
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Umm ok
[05:19] <Blu3> sure i can, and i can put gentoo on it too
[05:19] <stdin> Blu3: you can't change it, unless you roll your own kernel
[05:19] <DaSkreech> coty:  in any case open konsole and type ls /etc/init.d/kd*
[05:19] <OneLander> Bonhomme: that would be the best bet first.  at least it will be inexpensive.
[05:20] <coty> daskreech: /etc/init.d/kdm
[05:20] <willie> Im failing to upgrade to feisty  because packages.freecontrib.org:80 (88.191.33.6) is timing out. Anyone else seeing this?
[05:20] <Bonhomme> OneLander: hmm, if I wanted to create a directory /media/floppy
[05:20] <coty> daskreech: that is the output
[05:20] <DaSkreech> O.0
[05:20] <Bonhomme> OneLander: I would do something like 'sudo mkdir /media/floppy' right?
[05:20] <coty> 0.0
[05:20] <OneLander> Bonhomme: yes.
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> Blu3: yeah, I find that scsi use of ATA annoying as all !@# too.
[05:20] <coty> x-x
[05:20] <DaSkreech> and you said that sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart says not found?
[05:21] <Bonhomme> OneLander: mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/floppy': Read-only file system <-- wtf.
[05:21] <DaSkreech> ^_^
[05:21] <coty> no it restarts the computer
[05:21] <stdin> DaSkreech: that would mean that "sudo" wasn't found, check $PATH
[05:21] <coty> thats what happined
[05:21] <Blu3> leejunfan, yeah
[05:21] <OneLander> Bonhomme: you may need to remount /  "mount -o rw /"
[05:21] <DaSkreech> stdin: doubt that
[05:21] <coty> !daskreech > coty
[05:21] <Blu3> libata is dandy new stuff but userland tools for laptop mode are lagging behind
[05:21] <coty> ok your not wanted
[05:21] <DaSkreech> coty: the not found was after you put in your password?
[05:22] <coty> no
[05:22] <DaSkreech> type sudo
[05:22] <DaSkreech> in konsole
[05:22] <coty> ok
[05:22] <Bonhomme> OneLander: it won't let me remount - says it's busy... is there a trick to this? I can feel a trick coming
[05:22] <coty> i got a list
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> Blu3: I'm running 2.6.21-rc4-mm1 right now that I compiled and patched myself so I don't have to deal with that, but then the UUID= crap is equally annoying, when you run update-grub it replaces your root=/dev/hda# with root=UUID=
[05:23] <stdin> Blu3: at any rate, place to ask/complain about feisty is in #ubuntu+1
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> Blu3: mount -oremount,rw /
[05:23] <OneLander> Bonhomme: hmm..  how about 'mount -o remount,rw /'
[05:23] <willie> stdin is #ubuntu+1  the channel for feisty install probs?
[05:23] <Bonhomme> OneLander: hmm / is meant to be mounted rw... "/dev/sdb3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)"
[05:24] <DaSkreech> coty: something is up
[05:24] <Bonhomme> OneLander: see I knew there was a trick
[05:24] <stdin> willie: it's the feisty support channel, so yeah
[05:24] <Blu3> heheh, i feel your pain :)
[05:24] <coty> daskreech: hmm?
[05:24] <Bonhomme> OneLander: next error: "mount: block device /dev/sdb3 is write-protected, mounting read-only" ;p
[05:24] <coty> daskreech: i swear i did nothing wrong
[05:24] <coty> daskreech: lol
[05:24] <willie> stdin: thanks bye
[05:25] <coty> daskreech: please theres nothing up
[05:25] <OneLander> Bonhomme: you may need to run a fsck against the filesystem.  do you see anything in /var/log/messages that says anything about the drive?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> coty: go to terminal one (Alt+Ctrl+F1) login and type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:25] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana
[05:25] <coty> ok
[05:25] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[05:25] <OneLander> Bonhomme: you may evern trying running 'dmesg' from a konsole and see if anything jumps out at you
[05:26] <Bonhomme> OneLander: hooahh "sdb: Current: sense key: Aborted Command Additional sense: Scsi parity error"
[05:26] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Hello
[05:26] <Bonhomme> OneLander: sigh = very yes
[05:27] <Bonhomme> OneLander: ok is there a trick to fsck too?
[05:27] <Bonhomme> OneLander: I need to be single user mode right?
[05:27] <Bonhomme> (just quietly, I cannot _believe_ how many seemingly unrelated problems this is racking up)
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> Bonhomme: yeah, to fsck root you need to be in single.
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> Bonhomme: but that's a hw level error, not fs.
[05:28] <Bonhomme> easiest way todo that in kubuntu? last time I used SU mode was back when grub was like, pre-alpha, and I remember how to do it in lilo ;p
[05:28] <OneLander> Bonhomme: yes you will want to be in single user mode, or boot up with the Kubuntu Live CD and run fsck <hard drive device (/dev/hda1)
[05:28] <OneLander> Bonhomme: if you do not want it to ask anything and just fix it then run 'fsck -a <device>'
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> !single
[05:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about single - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:29] <OneLander> Bonhomme: look at man fsck to get some more tips
[05:29] <OneLander> Bonhomme: you can drop into single user mode by type 'telinit 1'
[05:29] <Bonhomme> OneLander: you know the definition of torture? "man: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system" ... it's TAUNTING me
[05:29] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: How are you?
[05:29] <Bonhomme> I'm going to google for the manpage... we'll how it like that
[05:29] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, not bad and you?
[05:30] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: flu
[05:30] <OneLander> Time for sleep, have to go play with some server racks tomorrow moring at work
[05:30] <Bonhomme> OneLander: enjoy
[05:30] <Bonhomme> time for single user mode for me.
[05:31] <OneLander> Bonhomme: good luck!
[05:31] <DaSkreech> coty: had to restart the computer?
[05:31] <coty> daskreech: it restarted my computer
[05:31] <DaSkreech> What?
[05:31] <DaSkreech> I'm severely puzzled
[05:31] <coty> um it restarted my computer
[05:31] <DaSkreech> as in all the way to bios?
[05:32] <coty> daskreech: no it messes up everything then i have to restart
[05:32] <DaSkreech> it told you shutting down and shut it down then started it back up?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> coty: define messes up everything?
[05:32] <coty> daskreech:like i can't get beck to were i am now
[05:33] <coty> daskreech: i have an idea
[05:33] <coty> daskreech: remote connection
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Could you get to the terminal at Alt+Ctrl+F1 ?
[05:33] <coty> yes
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Then why didn' you use irrsi? :-)
[05:33] <DaSkreech> hi leileilol
[05:33] <coty> can we do remote conection
[05:33] <coty> that might help
[05:33] <DaSkreech> I can't
[05:33] <coty> why
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Double bnatted double firewalled
[05:34] <leileilol> nihao
[05:34] <coty> your on linux
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Yep
[05:34] <coty> why would you need that
[05:34] <DaSkreech> I can ssh into you
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> coty: next time that happens try switchgin to tty1 then back to 7, ctrl-alt-f1 ctrl-alt-f7
[05:34] <coty> what
[05:34] <DaSkreech> coty: Not me Network admin and the Network admin above them
[05:34] <coty> oh
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> coty: sometimes that works for me, but then my gfx only ever get that way when switching in the first place anyway.
[05:34] <coty> weird
[05:34] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: Yeah that's what I'm trying to get him to realise :)
[05:35] <bernhard> test the kirc
[05:35] <DaSkreech> coty: So why didn't you use irssi and login here?
[05:35] <coty> i forget the command
[05:35] <coty> I forgot what are we trying to do
[05:35] <coty> lol
[05:36] <DaSkreech> coty: I'm trying to teach you not to reboot the computer :)
[05:36] <coty> LOL
[05:36] <coty> ok
[05:36] <DaSkreech> coty: Ok remember irssi?
[05:36] <coty> well its no problem it only takes 2 mins to reboot
[05:36] <coty> ok
[05:36] <DaSkreech> coty: do you know irc slash commands
[05:36] <DaSkreech> >
[05:36] <DaSkreech> ?
[05:36] <coty> sudo irrsi -c irc.freenode.com
[05:37] <DaSkreech> You don't need the sudo
[05:37] <coty> ok
[05:37] <DaSkreech> in fact please don't use it
[05:37] <coty> alright
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Alright jump to terminal one and login there
[05:37] <DaSkreech> To get back here you can alt+ctrl+F7
[05:37] <DaSkreech> In case you forget how to join
[05:38] <freeza^> whats the package name for qt?
[05:39] <coty> daskreech: its not letting me go to irc
[05:39] <DaSkreech> coty: What is it saying?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> It opens?
[05:39] <coty> no such command
[05:39] <DaSkreech> but no one is saying anything?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> two ss not two rr
[05:40] <DaSkreech> coty: Do you know tab completion?
[05:40] <coty> ok it is working
[05:41] <DaSkreech> coty: do you know tab completion?
[05:41] <coty_> hello
[05:41] <coty_> im in the terminal
[05:42] <coty_> daskreech: now what
[05:42] <DaSkreech> coty_: Cool :-)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> press Alt+ctrl+F2 and login
[05:42] <DaSkreech> then come back here (F1)
[05:42] <coty_> daskreech: feels weird
[05:42] <coty_> daskreech: ok
[05:42] <DaSkreech> coty_: Yeah but it's very useful
[05:42] <matrix> DaSkreech: why don't you teach him to use screen ;)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> matrix: one step padawan
[05:43] <coty> ok back
[05:43] <matrix> DaSkreech: but be careful the dark side is tempting
[05:43] <jamie> hello, i have recently got 3d hardware accelleration working, and want to install compiz. could anyone help me with this?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> coty: not here silly
[05:43] <coty> were?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> coty: the other one
[05:43] <DaSkreech> F1
[05:43] <coty> ok
[05:43] <coty_> back
[05:43] <DaSkreech> !compiz
[05:43] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:44] <jamie> thx
[05:44] <DaSkreech> coty_: Ok so your GUI got messed up because of beryl :) You can come here and login for help
[05:44] <coty_> Is compiz like beryl
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Yes
[05:44] <coty_> ah
[05:44] <coty_> cool
[05:44] <coty_> does it work better
[05:44] <DaSkreech> coty_: paitence :)
[05:45] <coty_> i just want a desktop cube
[05:45] <DaSkreech> So you can come here and get help without any gui
[05:45] <coty_> ok
[05:45] <DaSkreech> You can also login at Alt+ctrl+F2 like I showed you
[05:45] <coty_> yea
[05:45] <matrix> what is considered more stable at the moment beryl or compiz?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Now want to restart the GUI without restarting the Computer?
[05:45] <coty_> ok
[05:45] <LeeJunFan_> matrix: compiz
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Probably beryl
[05:45] <poningru> hehe
[05:46] <LeeJunFan_> matrix: although I like and run beryl because it's got more glitter.
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Doesn't matter since they are probably going to merge
[05:46] <LeeJunFan_> and it's better with kde - no gnome deps, and a nice config util.
[05:46] <DaSkreech> coty_: Ok now to test to see if someting is very broken
[05:46] <coty_> I't will make me so happy when i can use beryl
[05:46] <coty_> how
[05:46] <DaSkreech> coty_: go to terminal 2 and type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop and come back here
[05:46] <LeeJunFan_> yeah, My beryl crashes a few times a day, but it's not a showstopper, I just tell beryl manager to restart the window manager and it comes back.
[05:47] <coty_> ok let me write it down
[05:47] <coty_> were is a pen when you need it
[05:48] <LeeJunFan_> well normally this is where I suggest knotes, but that wont' be very helpful :)
[05:48] <DaSkreech> coty_: You can always pop back over here and ask
[05:48] <coty_> ok back
[05:48] <freeza^> anyone know the name of the package for kde headers?
[05:48] <coty_> i reset
[05:49] <matrix> i read about installing beryl by including http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org into your apt sources. but beryl seems also to excist on the ubuntu mirrors. is it more stable to use ubuntu's own packages? are they older? or are they stability tested before integrated into the distro?
[05:49] <coty_> DaSkreech: now what is the next step
[05:49] <Jucato> freeza^: kdelibs4-dev
[05:49] <freeza^> ahh ok cool thx
[05:50] <DaSkreech> coty_: press Alt+Ctrl+F7 and confirm that the GUI is gone and come back here
[05:50] <coty_> DaSkreech: it takes me no were
[05:50] <DaSkreech> coty_: good
[05:50] <DaSkreech> coty_: go back to terminal 2 (F2) and press up. Change stop to start
[05:51] <coty_> ok
[05:51] <DaSkreech> press enter
[05:51] <Jucato> matrix: Beryl is in the Ubuntu repositories only if you're on Feisty already. Whether it's more stable or not, I don't know. The only assurance is that the Beryl from the repositories have been built on Ubuntu and by Ubuntu's packagers
[05:51] <coty_> ok
[05:51] <coty_> did that
[05:51] <coty_> its starting
[05:51] <DaSkreech> coty_: Neat :-)
[05:52] <coty_> yeap
[05:52] <coty_> kubuntu gets better and better
[05:52] <DaSkreech> coty_: log back in and see if You can remember all of that now :)
[05:52] <coty_> ok
[05:53] <matrix> i wish linux could unite on one stable 3d desktop base. for a long time linux was way ahead of windows together with mac os. now it looks to me windows is catching up while linux 3d desktop hasn't reached a stable state yet. imho
[05:53] <LeeJunFan_> matrix: they are.
[05:54] <LeeJunFan_> matrix: beryl and compiz are merging, of course we are still stuck with aiglx and xgl for now.
[05:54] <coty> daskreech: now you want me to redo everything
[05:54] <genii> matrix Remember first always that it is a labour of love
[05:54] <genii> and not money
[05:54] <DaSkreech> coty: one thing first
[05:55] <DaSkreech> let me teach step two to make your life better
[05:55] <coty_> ok
[05:55] <DaSkreech> matrix: You worry too much
[05:55] <DaSkreech> coty_: joker :-)
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> matrix: they have, compiz and beryl have merged/ing
[05:55] <DaSkreech> coty_: come back to the GUI
[05:55] <coty_> why
[05:55] <coty_> daskreech: and what does matrix mean
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: they have merging huh?
[05:56] <coty_> daskreech: windows is not better
[05:56] <DaSkreech> coty_: he speaks ofwhat he does not know :)
[05:56] <matrix> with kde and gnome the competing projects challenge each other while both are feasible
[05:56] <DaSkreech> matrix: OSS is slow
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: yeah both projects are now in the process of merging the code
[05:56] <DaSkreech> matrix: It will win though
[05:56] <matrix> with xgl aiglx i don't see a stable one yet :(
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: Since when?
[05:56] <coty_> what is mergin
[05:57] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:57] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:57] <DaSkreech> coty_: They are working together
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: notice went out this week
[05:57] <coty_> with what
[05:57] <coty_> combining gnome with kde
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Linux_Galore: that they were talking about it
[05:57] <coty_> or something
[05:57] <matrix> DaSkreech: don't you think OSS  is replaced by alsa
[05:57] <DaSkreech> coty_: Not happening anytime soon :)
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> DaSkreech: no they are doing it
[05:57] <DaSkreech> coty_: get back to the GUI
[05:57] <coty> ok back
[05:58] <DaSkreech> coty: open a Konsole
[05:58] <coty> ok
[05:58] <coty> now?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> alright do you know about tab completion ?
[05:58] <LeeJunFan_> well beryl svn hasn't been updated since 0.2.0 was released.
[05:58] <coty> you mean <tab><tab>
[05:58] <DaSkreech> !tab | coty. For an easy life
[05:58] <ubotu> coty. For an easy life: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[05:58] <DaSkreech> coty: Yup
[05:58] <coty> ok
[05:58] <coty> yes i do
[05:59] <coty> lol
[05:59] <coty> im learning something
[06:00] <matrix> DaSkreech: is OSS coming back with feisty?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> ok so you can sudo /etc/in<tab><tab> if you don't remember the full path
[06:00] <DaSkreech> matrix: Quite possibly
[06:00] <coty> what is oss
[06:00] <matrix> coty: sound system of linux
[06:00] <DaSkreech> Sound server
[06:00] <coty> oh
[06:00] <coty> ok daskreech i got a list
[06:01] <DaSkreech> it.d :)
[06:01] <coty> hmmm?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> same thing for irrsi
[06:01] <matrix> DaSkreech: is it because of that that i have an OSS device again after upgrading to feisty. and my skype has trouble?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> If you don't remember the name try ir<tab><tab>
[06:01] <DaSkreech> matrix: Possibly :-)
[06:01] <DaSkreech> I'm not the greatest in the politics of UNIX style sound
[06:02] <matrix> DaSkreech: is there a reason why? i thought OSS is deprecated?
[06:02] <matrix> DaSkreech: ah okay
[06:02] <coty> ok
[06:02] <coty> did that
[06:02] <DaSkreech> That is the idea but some zombies won't die
[06:02] <coty> just a q should i try other linux's
[06:03] <matrix> DaSkreech: so let's put them under one big umbrella corp
[06:03] <DaSkreech> coty: so if you know that you have an application but you can't recall the exact name just know tab is your friend
[06:03] <DaSkreech> matrix: Phonon! :)
[06:03] <coty> ok
[06:03] <DaSkreech> coty: Yes after
[06:03] <coty> yes after what
[06:03] <DaSkreech> after you are comfortable in at least one
[06:03] <coty> ok
[06:03] <coty> well i have to get a burner first
[06:04] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Weekend?
[06:04] <coty> and im going to get a new hd
[06:04] <coty> yeap
[06:04] <coty> the computer im getting has one
[06:04] <coty> the hd in it is bad though
[06:05] <coty> Some one said i could get 1 terabyte for 300 dollors
[06:05] <coty> is this trus
[06:05] <coty> ture
[06:05] <DaSkreech> I'd guess no
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> coty: maybe one that breaks after 3 mos
[06:05] <coty> lol
[06:06] <coty> Well they said there at bestbuy
[06:06] <coty> for 300 to 500
[06:06] <coty> but could you imagin that much memory
[06:06] <coty> and one of my friends friends computer has 50 gb of ram
[06:06] <zxdsl> 50gb?
[06:07] <coty> yea that is what he tolled me
[06:07] <Hrontore> umm can some one help me with installing binary driver for ati radeon 9600?
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> coty: he's BSing you
[06:07] <coty> i thought so
[06:07] <philphoto> ok, i'm trying to run sudo gedit /etc/hosts but get a command not found
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> modern mobos wont support near that much
[06:07] <zxdsl> a desktop pc with 50gb ram? seems unlikely... must be a server or servers....
[06:07] <coty> he works for a big company
[06:07] <DaSkreech> philphoto: try kdesu kate /etc/hosts
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> well, if its a server, maybe...
[06:08] <philphoto> ah, using the wrong txt editor.  thx
[06:08] <DaSkreech> philphoto: And use kdesu
[06:08] <zxdsl> 50gb to run aterm :)
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> friend of mine works for a video server company that uses 128 way processor systems.
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> precognitive tab completion
[06:08] <philphoto> I get error bad device invalid or unitialized input device 169
[06:08] <philphoto> and a bunch of other code
[06:09] <philphoto> failed to open device
[06:09] <zxdsl> hitmanWilly, heh.
[06:09] <coty> how can i make it were i have 1 moniter hooked to two pc's
[06:09] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: as long as it can solve bug 1 before you address it
[06:10] <DaSkreech> !kvm
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Dumb
[06:10] <DaSkreech> !find kvm
[06:10] <ubotu> Found: ikvm, libikvm-native
[06:10] <philphoto> any ideas?
[06:11] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto ignore them as long as a dialog asking for your password comes up
[06:11] <DaSkreech> philphoto: No kate?
[06:12] <jamie> OMG!!! Beryl is soo cool! I just installed it and it works great! I love Linux!
[06:12] <coty> shut up
[06:12] <philphoto> I have kate
[06:12] <coty> lol
[06:12] <freeza^> hey who was the one trying to get an html editor?
[06:12] <philphoto> are you saying do the edit in kate, not terminal?
[06:13] <coty> i want beryl so dont brag
[06:13] <coty> lo
[06:13] <coty> ol
[06:13] <philphoto> no password diaglogue came up at all.  konsole hung open and I had to close it.
[06:13] <coty> ol
[06:13] <coty> lol
[06:14] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: hit alt + f2 for the run command to come up type "kdesu kate /etc/hosts" and hit enter
[06:14] <jamie> coty: do u have 3d accel working on ur box?
[06:14] <coty> i have no idea
[06:14] <coty> that's the problem
[06:14] <philphoto> I'm trying to attemp faster app starts by using this: http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/performance-tip-for-ubuntu-edgy-and.html
[06:14] <coty> i dotn know my computers hardware
[06:14] <coty> all i can say is it is 7 years old
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> coty: lspci
[06:15] <coty> LeeJunFan: what
[06:15] <jamie> coty: if u type glxinfo and look for the Direct Rendering line it will say yes or no, that is if the accell is working
[06:16] <philphoto> sonofhteclayr: all it did was disappear.  maybe it's trying to open still...
[06:16] <DaSkreech> freeza^: thev
[06:16] <coty> i dont have direct rendering
[06:16] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: getting rid of ipv6 and making the internet faster?
[06:16] <philphoto> damn, still having these problems.
[06:16] <jamie> yeah, 7 years is old :-)
[06:16] <philphoto> I just want my computer faster
[06:16] <coty> yep
[06:16] <freeza^> i just read some stuff about kompozer and hear its very good
[06:17] <coty> but cant i get it to work on my computer anyway
[06:17] <philphoto> it's taking up to 20 seconds to open apps
[06:17] <philphoto> I've been beating my head against a wall for 3 days with this problem.
[06:17] <philphoto> I'm on my 3rd install of kubuntu.   all of them on fresh, good hd's
[06:18] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: in konsole "sudo nano /etc/hosts"
[06:18] <coty> i have beryl installe
[06:18] <coty> d
[06:18] <coty> I just cant figure out how to make it work
[06:19] <philphoto> got it.
[06:19] <philphoto> thanks
[06:19] <zxdsl> philphoto, did you try to install "server" first and proceed from there
[06:19] <jamie> !compiz > coty
[06:19] <Hrontore> I've tried installing binary driver for my ati vid card and fglrx still doesn
[06:19] <Hrontore> t work
[06:19] <jamie> !compiz
[06:19] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:20] <jamie> coty: http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez
[06:20] <philphoto> dang.  mine already appears to be as the page recommends I make it:
[06:20] <philphoto> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[06:20] <philphoto> 127.0.1.1       philphoto-desktop
[06:21] <philphoto> zxdsl: no, what would that do?
[06:21] <coty> jamie: before i go there what is it
[06:23] <jamie> coty: info about direct rendering and beryl
[06:24] <coty> ok
[06:24] <coty> sweet
[06:24] <coty> firmware 3.30 has been decrypted
[06:24] <coty> for psp
[06:24] <philphoto> taking two minutes to load adept
[06:25] <philphoto> jsut still too slow...
[06:25] <DaSkreech> freeza^: It's the hack of Nvu
[06:27] <freeza^> is it better?
[06:28] <philphoto> is there a better install/driver for ATI cards than the one uboto points out?
[06:29] <philphoto> I've tried going through that & all it leads me to do is format another drive & start over.
[06:29] <philphoto> daily loading up of linux is not what I had in mind.  still looking for an answer to the slow issue...
[06:30] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: try using a different desktop environment like xfce or for really good performance fluxbox or openbox
[06:30] <philphoto> I want to get this taken care of before I configure all the stuff I had on my last two installs
[06:30] <philphoto> sonoftheclayr:  why is that?
[06:30] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: they use less resources
[06:31] <philphoto> I have 4GB ram and a 3.4GHz cpu.
[06:31] <philphoto> it's not a memory issue
[06:31] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: okay, i have no idea
[06:32] <philphoto> is there a better way to configure my graphics card to crank more speed out of my machine?
[06:32] <philphoto> I'm not doing ANY 3d processing
[06:32] <philphoto> I just need info to flow fast
[06:34] <DaSkreech> freeza^: than Nvu? yes than Composer? maybe not
[06:34] <freeza^> ahh ok
[06:34] <freeza^> wait composer as the one that comes with seamonkey?
[06:35] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: i
[06:36] <sonoftheclayr> m sorry but i can't help you, try some other means of support or hope that someone knows how to help
[06:36] <philphoto> how do I kill amarok in konsole?  it's just frozen.  i tried to add a song to playlist & it's done.
[06:36] <philphoto> thanks
[06:36] <sonoftheclayr> killall amarok
[06:37] <philphoto> "no process killed"
[06:37] <philphoto> oh my goodness.
[06:37] <philphoto> this never ends.
[06:38] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: is the amarok window open?
[06:38] <philphoto> it terminated after 4 minutes.
[06:38] <philphoto> this is just par for the course, lately
[06:39] <philphoto> no, it went away.  but this is the state of my computer always right now.
[06:40] <philphoto> S   L   O   W
[06:40] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: try a reboot? i find that flushes out the system and makes it faster when i leave my laptop on for too long
[06:40] <metalluver> Hi could anyone help me install my vid card and get beryl working on here?
[06:40] <philphoto> and I got into linux for it's speed over windows when using some os the apps that I need to use
[06:40] <philphoto> I guess.
[06:41] <philphoto> while i'm there, I'll check on BIOS.  anyone know what I might want to look for which might affect my speed?
[06:41] <sonoftheclayr> metalluver: what sort of video card?
[06:41] <metalluver> nividia
[06:41] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: while your at it run memtest86+ from the gub menu, you might have a memory defect
[06:41] <philphoto> that takes 6 hours.
[06:42] <philphoto> I just ran it last night
[06:42] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: everything was fine?
[06:42] <philphoto> there's nothing wrong
[06:42] <philphoto> I'll run it while I'm at work tomorrow.
[06:43] <philphoto> but this is seriously way slower than any live CD distro I've tried lately.
[06:43] <philphoto> which is so disappointing.
[06:43] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: have you tried a different distro on the same computer? maybe you messed it up somehow
[06:44] <philphoto> I started with ubuntu then installed kubuntu desktop.  it worked ok.
[06:45] <sonoftheclayr> metalluver: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia also try the #ubuntu-effects channel
[06:45] <philphoto> I did a fresh kubuntu install on a better, faster hd two days later & it ran great
[06:45] <philphoto> then I wanted to calibrate my monitor so I tried hooking up my ATI graphics card & it started sucking really bad.
[06:46] <philphoto> and the GC WAS installed with the correct driver & all.
[06:46] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: graphics card problem? have you tried removing the card or changing the driver kubuntu uses?
[06:46] <philphoto> so last night a few folks on here had me try some different things & there were so many changes that I wanted to start fresh & here I am.
[06:46] <SilentDis> hello interweb :)
[06:47] <sonoftheclayr> SilentDis: Greetings, we come in peace
[06:47] <philphoto> different fast drive, new kubuntu install + feisty.
[06:47] <SilentDis> sonoftheclayr: as I've already stolen all your source code, your intentions are meaningless.  oh wait...
[06:47] <SilentDis> lol
[06:47] <philphoto> removing the card?  uh, no.  I do believe that I need that.
[06:47] <metalluver> sonoftheslayr: Im in kubuntu.is it okay that i use this guide?
[06:48] <AdamKili> how do i use the ln command to link the cdrom drive with a directory on my hard disk? i can't figure it out
[06:48] <sonoftheclayr> metalluver: yeah, it's kubuntu is essentially the same as ubuntu, the only difference is the desktop environment used
[06:48] <metalluver> Okay
[06:49] <sonoftheclayr> metalluver: just use kate instead of gedit
[06:49] <ceros> will there be a kubuntu fiesty install cd for the playstation 3?
[06:49] <g4h> hey folks, got a quick question. what are the general processor / ram requirements for the kde interface? i'm runnin a 400mhz/160M ram
[06:49] <Linux_Galore> ceros: its just the ppc version
[06:50] <Linux_Galore> PS3 = PPC
[06:50] <metalluver> sonoftheclayr:what would I use instead of synaptic package manager
[06:50] <SilentDis> g4h: i have ubuntu (gnome/metacity) running on a P3 500 w/ 384mb, and it's a bit slow.  KDE is a little less resource intensive.. but the min requirements for ubuntu/kubuntu are still 256mb ram.  I'd recommend checking out xubuntu (XFCE interface), minimum requirements are 64mb ram (got it on a laptop with 64m right next to me, works fine) :)
[06:50] <sonoftheclayr> metalluver: adept
[06:50] <AdamKili> g4h: i think those would probably be good enough, but if it's to slow you could always use xfce (xubuntu) it's a simpler desktop environment and would run better on slower machines
[06:50] <ceros> ok
[06:51] <ceros> well i got confused since there was a playstation 3 install cd for ubuntu
[06:51] <ceros> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/7.04/beta/
[06:51] <Linux_Galore> I dare say someone will just do a light weight xfce PS3 only distro soon
[06:51] <ceros> actually there is
[06:51] <g4h> yeah, this machien was already on xubu, thought i'd give kde a whirl on the next install, so thought i'd ask
[06:51] <g4h> heh
[06:52] <DaSkreech> freeza^: was
[06:52] <g4h> also, does konq have integrated network browsing?
[06:52] <ceros> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/7.04/beta/
[06:52] <ceros> there it is
[06:52] <AdamKili> well i don't know the exact requirements. aren't they somewhere on the _ubuntu website
[06:52] <AdamKili> ?
[06:52] <DaSkreech> freeza^: it's the same name given to Nvu 2
[06:52] <SilentDis> g4h: :)  xfce is very nice for slim hardware.  I'm surprized at how snappy the little lappy is with it.  does good as a chatbox/download box :)
[06:52] <DaSkreech> freeza^: very confusing
[06:52] <freeza^> ahh ok
[06:52] <sonoftheclayr> metalluver: also look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[06:53] <philphoto> is amarok buggy in feisty?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> philphoto: your memory timings may be messed up
[06:53] <philphoto> I tried to update it to support MP3's & it just closed
[06:53] <ceros> Linux_Galore, was that what you were looking for?
[06:53] <SilentDis> philphoto: I haven't had problems myself... it's cataloging an 80gb MP3 collection, and seems fine... what issues are you having?
[06:53] <philphoto> I haven't gotten into memory timing
[06:53] <g4h> does konq have integrated network browsing?
[06:53] <poningru> ofcourse
[06:54] <philphoto> SilentDis:  it's SLOW.
[06:54] <philphoto> way slow
[06:54] <g4h> well wanted to make sure, because thunar was lacking in that dept
[06:54] <g4h> hehe
[06:54] <SilentDis> philphoto: system specs?
[06:54] <poningru> just got protocol://address
[06:54] <Linux_Galore> ceros: no, Ive seen a PS3 specific distro, they only work on porting apps to the PS3
[06:54] <Ryiel> I use xmms for playing mp3.
[06:54] <ceros> oh
[06:54] <lewis> how do I run flash plugins with konqueror
[06:54] <AdamKili> so does anyone know how i use the ln command to link the cdrom drive (/dev/cdrom) with a directory on my hard disk (/myth/video)? i can't figure it out
[06:54] <philphoto> P4 3.4GHz EE, 3+GB RAM
[06:54] <Buddha|> g4h - That's because Thunar is only a file manager, whereas Konqueror is a file manager/web browser/file viewer/ad nauseum
[06:55] <Linux_Galore> ceros: the kernel has no overhead for anything thats not supported by the PS3 platform so its pretty compact
[06:55] <Ryiel> I love feisty, 88 updates every day :D
[06:55] <SilentDis> philphoto: you're well above what I have... how large of a library are you accessing, are there remote disks involved?
[06:55] <AdamKili> it keeps saying: ln: creating hard link './cdrom' to '/dev/cdrom': Invalid cross-device link
[06:56] <Buddha|> Ryiel - hehe.  I'm up to 237 in just three or four days
[06:56] <philphoto> the problem with amarok is new.  my library is about 40GB MP3
[06:56] <DaSkreech> g4h: If you had asked does konqui have? I probably would have answered yes
[06:56] <philphoto> on an external IEEE 1384 drive
[06:56] <philphoto> has worked perfectly with my last two distro installs.
[06:56] <Ryiel> upgrading to feisty took hours :(
[06:56] <philphoto> it mounts fine right now.
[06:56] <Linux_Galore> Ive got the latest stable version of Amarok with a huge mp3 collection with zero issues
[06:57] <lewis> how do I run flash plugins with konqueror
[06:57] <SilentDis> philphoto: is the sound 'jittery'?  does it just take a while to queue up files?  i'm trying to narrow things down :)
[06:57] <Ryiel> !flash
[06:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:57] <Buddha|> Ryiel - it took all day on my G4 iBook
[06:57] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[06:57] <sonoftheclayr> Ryiel: i'm upgrading now. 793 packages
[06:57] <philphoto> I haven't even listened to anything with amarok because I can't open any files with it
[06:57] <Ryiel> Buddha|: I just did not want to say the whole day :D
[06:57] <Ryiel> I think apt-get is the best to use
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> Amarok 2.0 will be interesting they have added video support for music videos
[06:58] <Eruantalon> Anyone having problems with Kopete taking ages to load?
[06:58] <SilentDis> philphoto: I'd say first make sure you have MP3 support installed... do other programs play mp3s on your box?  if so, which ones?
[06:58] <ceros> one last question, when trying to run kubuntu on a very small resolution, is there a way to scroll through the entire desktop the same way you scroll through a webpage?
[06:58] <ceros> like say on a pda
[06:58] <Ryiel> Linux_Galore:  No, but sometimes it cannot connect to the msn network. I have to restart it
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> Ryiel: nothing suprises me with msn their network uses so much broken code its a joke
[06:59] <lewis> lol
[06:59] <Ryiel> but it used to work!
[06:59] <SilentDis> ceros: you could set a 'virtual' screen resolution for x, and it would 'scroll' up and down, or left/right.  I know it's possible, but I can't for the life of me remember how it's done.  for a 'native' res of like 640x480, you'd set to 640x960 or some such.
[07:00] <philphoto> I just installed this distro with the feisty upgrade & just finished it a few minutes ago.
[07:00] <Linux_Galore> Ryiel: well go tell msn to stop fsking around with their api and using none documented IE only standards
[07:00] <philphoto> I don't know what new apps might use MP3
[07:00] <SilentDis> philphoto: if it's an absolute fresh install... you probably need to install mp3 support.
[07:00] <SilentDis> !mp3 | philphoto
[07:00] <ubotu> philphoto: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:01] <ceros> so it would be called a "virtual resolution" right?
[07:01] <lewis> man
[07:01] <Jucato> actually, if philphoto is on Edgy or Feisty, the script to install the MP3 codec will run once he tries to play an MP3
[07:01] <SilentDis> ceros: yes, something like that.  I am not 100% sure, and I've not done it myself.  only ran across a mention of it one time a LONG time ago, and can't remember specifics.  sorry i'm not more help :(
[07:02] <metalluver> sonoftheclayr: how do I edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:02] <SilentDis> metalluver: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:02] <philphoto> yeah, it tries to run, and I hear the chime for the alert, but I don't get to choose to install it!
[07:02] <philphoto> see, my last 6 days with Linux have been nothing but doing this kind of stuff.  trying to make things work.
[07:03] <philphoto> how can i uninstall amarok & then do a fresh re-install?
[07:03] <SilentDis> philphoto: just remember, windows knowledge != linux knowledge.  we're happy to help though, but it DOES have a learning curve associated with it :)
[07:03] <DaSkreech> SilentDis: that's not the point :)
[07:03] <philphoto> I understand.
[07:04] <Linux_Galore> philphoto: use the package manager, you remove apps the same way you install them
[07:04] <intelikey> would someone drop this in a konsole for me please?                                     grep -Rwe "/bin/openvt" /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | grep -m1 -ie [a-z]  | cut -d'/' -f6 | cut -d'.' -f1
[07:04] <philphoto> but learning curve or not, I could type out this message in morse to you just as fast
[07:04] <philphoto> carrier pigeons can outrun my machine right now.
[07:05] <DaSkreech> intelikey: paravisor?
[07:05] <SilentDis> philphoto: most of the time, you don't need to uninstall things, just kill their configuration data in your home directory.  if you insist, though:  sudo aptitude remove --purge armarok && sudo aptitude install armarok
[07:05] <philphoto> amarok not responding again
[07:05] <Linux_Galore> philphoto: if your machines slow is means you dont have enough ram or maybe you should install the xubuntu-desktop
[07:05] <philphoto> 4gb ram
[07:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech ?
[07:06] <chipbuddy> intelikey ok done
[07:06] <intelikey> chipbuddy it said ?
[07:06] <philphoto> I think amarok is buggy in this install.
[07:07] <philphoto> that or my machine just sucks
[07:07] <chipbuddy> umm... nothing
[07:07] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey: i got nothing
[07:07] <intelikey> hmmmm
[07:07] <Buddha|> Do the Kubuntu mirrors have the latest version of Xfce, or would I need to add an Xubuntu mirror to get it?
[07:07] <SilentDis> philphoto: aargh, totally forgot the dependancy handling of aptitude can bite you on uninstalls.  try this line:  sudo apt-get remove --purge armarok && sudo aptitude install armarok
[07:08] <eilker> good morning people, i wanna delete one user (profile) from my pc, is "sudo deluser "user""  ok ?
[07:08] <SilentDis> Buddha|: you can install the xfce environment using this command:  sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <philphoto> every app I have to close with terminate in the not responding dialogue
[07:09] <philphoto> 5 days of pain doing this.
[07:09] <SilentDis> Buddha|: there are no seperate repos for x/k/ed/ubuntu
[07:09] <eilker> philphoto> what is its version ?
[07:09] <philphoto> version?
[07:09] <eilker> amarok's version
[07:09] <Buddha|> SilentDis: I remember having to add a repo to my Xubuntu machine to get the latest version of KDE.
[07:10] <SilentDis> Buddha|: if you're going for versions outside of the ones in the repo, then yes.  otherwise, the standard /etc/apt/sources.list is the same across all platforms, iirc.
[07:10] <philphoto> have tried edgy and just upgraded to feisty.
[07:10] <intelikey> ok try this.      basename `grep -Rwe "bin/openvt" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | cut -d':' -f1`
[07:10] <intelikey> that should get it....
[07:11] <philphoto> this is a fresh install.  I haven't done anyhting with it yet.  not added any apps because I want the slowness problem taken care of before I configure the environment to suit my use of it
[07:11] <intelikey> i might have cut at the wrong point on the other string.
[07:13] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey: console-tools.list
[07:13] <intelikey> sonoftheclayr thank you.
[07:13] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey always there to help
[07:14] <moparisthebest> can anyone tell me how to stop kubuntu from automatically mounting my usb stick?
[07:14] <moparisthebest> Im trying to format it, and you cant format it if it is mounted
[07:14] <philphoto> system settings
[07:14] <Buddha|> sonoftheclayr: Garth Nix fan?
[07:14] <intelikey> ah requires "perl-base"  that's why i don't have it...
[07:14] <moparisthebest> and I unmount it, and kubuntu immediatly mounts it again, its annoying as hell
[07:14] <sonoftheclayr> Buddha|: YES! your the first person here to get it! lady friday's out and im gonna nag mum for it
[07:15] <Buddha|> sonoftheclayr: heh.  I've actually only read the first book.  Have you heard the audiobook?  Tim Curry can *not* immitate a girl's voice.
[07:16] <sonoftheclayr> Buddha|: haven't heard the audiobook but i have all but lady friday in the series
[07:16] <Buddha|> sonoftheclayr: How many are there?  I only have the first three.
[07:16] <intelikey> moparisthebest you are the first one i've see (that i recall right now) that "didn't" want it to be "more" automatic    besides me that is.       cat /proc/mounts  and umount the usb dir
[07:16] <sonoftheclayr> Buddha|: there are five out but there will be 7
[07:18] <intelikey> or  sudo umount `grep usb /proc/mounts`
[07:18] <moparisthebest> got it, thanks intelikey :)
[07:18] <intelikey> np
[07:19] <philphoto> well, still no working system the way want.  not even close.
[07:19] <philphoto> amarok is currently thinking (frozen) about installing mp3 support
[07:19] <intelikey> that's temtorary btw next boot it's right back...
[07:19] <moparisthebest> thats exactly what I wanted to happen intelikey :)
[07:20] <moparisthebest> i just need to format the drive, and it wont let me if it is mounted
[07:20] <intelikey> that's the reason i didn't point you at the init scripts moparisthebest
[07:20] <philphoto> is there anywhere else for techy support?
[07:20] <philphoto> not that you all aren't great, you've helped me a lot, but it's been almost a week & I'm still battling the same problem
[07:21] <gdiebel> philphoto: what seems to be the problem?
[07:21] <philphoto> it's  S L O W
[07:22] <philphoto> i'm formerly philfo1 for those here who have dealt with my problem
[07:22] <gdiebel> your desktop is s l o w ?
[07:22] <moparisthebest> exactly what is slow philphoto ?
[07:22] <philphoto> in a nutshell, I have the fastest processor I can stuff into my mobo and 4GB ram but the machine is horribly slow.
[07:22] <moparisthebest> what is the processor?
[07:22] <philphoto> 22 seconds to open up a konsole good enough?
[07:23] <philphoto> 3.4GHz P4 E
[07:23] <gdiebel> what video drivers? video performance seems to be most important in speed perception
[07:23] <moparisthebest> and what video card?
[07:23] <philphoto> ATI and the drivers are the issue I think
[07:23] <philphoto> BUT
[07:23] <gdiebel> 22 seconds?
[07:23] <philphoto> yeah.
[07:23] <moparisthebest> ive never had luck getting the proprietary ATI drivers to work
[07:23] <philphoto> amarok is still hanging right now
[07:24] <philphoto> I ran memtest this morning
[07:24] <gdiebel> that is unheard of. what does your process list show?
[07:24] <philphoto> top shows barely anything running.
[07:24] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: you installed the proprietary ATI drivers?
[07:24] <moparisthebest> did it just start happening recently? or has it always been like that?
[07:24] <dthacker> philphoto: how many cycles and what were the results?
[07:24] <philphoto> I have been on linux for 6 days now.
[07:24] <philphoto> one of those days it worked well
[07:24] <gdiebel> like ~1%? what about when you launch konsole, top spike then?
[07:25] <philphoto> then I tried the ATI driver install & all went to hell
[07:25] <gdiebel> I mean 22 secs, something must be happening
[07:25] <moparisthebest> so it definitly was the ATI drivers that messed up the system then
[07:25] <moparisthebest> did you try removing them?
[07:25] <philphoto> yeah, but this feisty that I'm on right now is a fresh install.
[07:25] <dthacker> last change that broke it was ATI,  you've found the problem, now you have to figure out how to remove it or work around it.
[07:26] <philphoto> newly slicked drive, 80gb SATA
[07:26] <philphoto> well, I'm a professional photographer & I need to be able to cal my monitor.
[07:26] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: so you removed the drivers and did a fresh install of feisty correct? or did you just upgrade to feisty?
[07:26] <philphoto> just upgrade to feisty
[07:26] <philphoto> no driver work yet
[07:26] <dthacker> re-install.
[07:26] <intelikey> ha ha   i've got it now.  openvt works just great  and i still didn't install perl    hehhe
[07:27] <philphoto> re-install what?
[07:27] <gdiebel> you are pro photographer? what do you plan on using for photo editing software. it is a bit lacking compared to macs
[07:27] <moparisthebest> first try removing the drivers
[07:27] <vontux> since the topic seems to be on video card drivers, has anyone had luck getting their tv-out to functionn on a dell latitude computer?
[07:27] <philphoto> yeah, well my wallet is a bit lacking too
[07:27] <moparisthebest> isn't GIMP a really good editor?
[07:27] <philphoto> GIMP is really good.
[07:28] <moparisthebest> i dont even try to edit graphics, its just what I heard
[07:28] <philphoto> I used to be a photoshop snob, but I'm a convert
[07:28] <dthacker> If you have already tried removing the drivers, and it did not work, then you may want to consider re-installing?
[07:28] <gdiebel> philphoto: krita is making improvements in leaps and bounds as well
[07:28] <moparisthebest> so you like GIMP better than photoshop philphoto ?
[07:28] <eilker> !drm
[07:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:28] <philphoto> I JUST installed this kubuntu Feisty a few hours ago
[07:29] <philphoto> I'm not going to do it again.  that will be my FOURTH install in 5 days.
[07:29] <philphoto> not happening
[07:29] <moparisthebest> philphoto, did it work well after the fresh install?
[07:29] <dthacker> philphoto: please don't think I'm being a pain, but did you completely re-install or did you upgrade?
[07:29] <philphoto> GIMP has some tool options that are not quite up to snuff in PS as far as I'm concerned.
[07:30] <gdiebel> philphoto: point of reference: I must have done like 10 installs in one week when I was running gentoo back in 2002
[07:30] <philphoto> I started with a HD that had no data on it
[07:30] <philphoto> then I used a very clean bbrand new ISO of Kubuntu
[07:30] <moparisthebest> to be honest when i started with kubuntu I broke and reinstalled it at least 3 times in the first week :/
[07:31] <philphoto> then I upgraded to feisty in hopes that it would improve my speed issues. as it's done for a few people
[07:31] <dthacker> and you installed kubuntu.  did you pause to check things out before you put the ATI driver on again?
[07:31] <philphoto> thanks, I guess I'm up there.
[07:31] <moparisthebest> did it work well when it was freshly installed before you installed the ATI drivers philphoto ?
[07:31] <dthacker> ^^^moparisthebests question
[07:31] <philphoto> I haven't installed the drivers because THAT's where the fault started last time.
[07:32] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto: and you still have the same problem?
[07:32] <philphoto> I was hoping to find someone who could offer some help before I really messed it up.
[07:32] <dthacker> Is is slow after a generic Edgy install with no propietary drivers?
[07:32] <moparisthebest> so you installed the drivers and then upgraded? or flat out never installed the drivers?
[07:32] <philphoto> if it involves slow, I have that problem
[07:32] <philphoto> never installed the drivers
[07:32] <xtremox> ares
[07:33] <philphoto> I have not installed the ATI drivers as of writing this right now & it works like krap
[07:33] <moparisthebest> philphoto, i would suggest a quick easy test, boot from the livecd and see if it is fast or slow
[07:33] <dthacker> philphoto, do you have a locoteam or a lug near you?
[07:33] <philphoto> a what?
[07:33] <philphoto> what would the live cd show me?
[07:33] <dthacker> Linux User Group=LUG
[07:34] <philphoto> ha ha ha, we have a Leica Users Grup that I belong to...
[07:34] <philphoto> I don't know about Linux though
[07:34] <philphoto> why would a LUG help?
[07:34] <dthacker> philphoto, what is your general location
[07:35] <moparisthebest> philphoto, you have a livecd, its what you installed from right?
[07:35] <philphoto> philadelphia, PA
[07:35] <intelikey> back
[07:35] <philphoto> yes
[07:35] <moparisthebest> if a livecd worked great, it would mean you did something to mess up your install
[07:35] <moparisthebest> in which case you would reinstall or try to fix it
[07:35] <moparisthebest> if a livecd was painfully slow like yours is now, you would know it was a problem with kubuntu itself
[07:35] <philphoto> what could I have done to mess it up?
[07:36] <moparisthebest> installing drivers, changing a config file
[07:36] <moparisthebest> installing a bad program even
[07:36] <philphoto> but it's been like this with 2 distros, 3 installs on 3 separate drives.
[07:36] <moparisthebest> itll only take a minute or two to boot to a livecd, thats why I would try it first
[07:37] <philphoto> but I haven't installed anything right here & now since I did this recent install on this new HD
[07:37] <philphoto> ok.
[07:37] <philphoto> see you all soon.
[07:37] <moparisthebest> ever had any other OSes on your computer?
[07:37] <philphoto> windowsXP
[07:37] <moparisthebest> and it ran fine? (for windows)
[07:38] <intelikey> could i trubble someone to do#    basename `grep -Rwe "bin/loadkey" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | cut -d':' -f1`
[07:38] <philphoto> my cpu was killer on xp.  I hated that OS, but it really ran well when it wasn't crashing because of a corrupt  or missing .dll
[07:38] <philphoto> I hate windows.  I really love linux.
[07:38] <philphoto> I want to use linux.
[07:39] <philphoto> but I may be forced to go back to using the software of the beast if I can't get this running
[07:39] <philphoto> at least it only cost me time
[07:39] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey: missing operand
[07:39] <moparisthebest> just try the livecd and then come back i guess :)
[07:39] <philphoto> ok. see you in a few.
[07:40] <intelikey> you don't have loadkeys installed....
[07:40] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey: nice to know
[07:40] <intelikey> i mean the executable i'm searching for the package name
[07:40] <philphoto> before I do this, is there anything in BIOS I should be looking for to positively affect the performance?  I'm not going to overclock this machine.
[07:41] <philphoto> I just want it working acceptably
[07:41] <moparisthebest> thats why I asked about other OSes philphoto
[07:41] <moparisthebest> i figured if you never tried anything else a bios setting could be messed up
[07:41] <moparisthebest> but if XP ran fine linux should as well
[07:42] <intelikey> you can try turning everything off in bios except the boot device
[07:42] <philphoto> I DID just have to flash the BIOS a few days ago, but that was before I started with linux.  WinXP ran well for one day then I went with my first ubuntu install
[07:42] <intelikey> if you bios is any good.......
[07:43] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey: if you're looking for a package try packages.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <moparisthebest> that could very well be the problem philphoto
[07:43] <moparisthebest> a bad bios flash can do all sorts of unimaginable wierd things
[07:43] <intelikey> sonoftheclayr yeah.... and how do you search for files inside those ?
[07:44] <philphoto> I DID have kubuntu operating very well for a morning a few days ago.
[07:44] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey: umm...
[07:44] <philphoto> it was screaming fast
[07:44] <philphoto> I really think the problem is the ATI driver
[07:44] <Iwonder|too> whats the url for source list
[07:44] <moparisthebest> philphoto, does your mobo have 2 default options? regular default and optimal default?
[07:45] <moparisthebest> i had one once that had those 2 options
[07:45] <philphoto> I'm nto sure.
[07:45] <moparisthebest> and if i ever picked optimal everything got messed up
[07:45] <philphoto> should I restore defaults?
[07:45] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey: i got it! search for it on packages.ubuntu.com and click on the distro name that appears under the package, scroll down to the bottom and next to your architecture click [list of files] 
[07:45] <philphoto> or look for regular default that is?
[07:45] <moparisthebest> go ahead and try it I guess, cant hurt anything
[07:46] <philphoto> right, right.  thanks.  see you in a few.
[07:46] <intelikey> k
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Night
[07:47] <Iwonder|too> can someone direct me to a repository listing?
[07:47] <moparisthebest> packages.ubuntu.com Iwonder|too
[07:47] <DaSkreech> !easysource
[07:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:48] <moparisthebest> thats a pretty nice tool, I didn't know it existed :)
[07:48] <Iwonder|too> ty
[07:49] <makuseru> where is a good place to DL fonts?
[07:49] <intelikey> !fonts
[07:49] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:51] <lewix> how to install berly
[07:51] <intelikey> ok windows keys working now...  i don't know what else to fix on this non-graphics box....
[07:51] <adydas> edgy?
[07:51] <eilker>  i wanna calculate my site bandwidth for a month, but i dont know how to do it ? for example , when i visit www.yahoo.com only first time (and its index , not surfing in it) , how can i know that how much kb that i downloaded ?
[07:51] <lewix> adydas, yes sir
[07:51] <adydas> lewix: use this
[07:51] <adydas> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/nVIDIA
[07:51] <adydas> worked perfect for me
[07:51] <lewix> thnaks
[07:51] <adydas> very easy and very few things you need to do
[07:51] <adydas> it pritty much self installs
[07:52] <moparisthebest> eilker, apt-get install wireshark
[07:52] <lewix> adydas, I have an ati
[07:52] <moparisthebest> lewix, what he linked you to is just if you have an nvidia video card
 already installed , let me open it, i forgot it
[07:52] <adydas> ok anyone able to help me, i want to know the best way to format an external USB based harddrive to share between linux and windows OS
[07:52] <makuseru> are the only fonts you can install MS True Type?
[07:53] <adydas> oh i wasnt here to check yourcard type
[07:53] <moparisthebest> lewix, to tell you the truth, I have installed beryl a few times
[07:53] <adydas> there is an ATI version of the same thing
[07:53] <moparisthebest> it always works on nvidia cards
[07:53] <moparisthebest> and I have never gotten it to work on 3 different boxes running ATI cards
[07:53] <makuseru> i have a nearly7 year old ATI card
[07:53] <moparisthebest> but some people have, so just cross your fingers and go for it :)
[07:53] <eilker> i810 works perfectly here
[07:53] <makuseru> running beryl
[07:53] <lewix> lol
[07:54] <adydas> anyone, best way to mount and share a new usb ext harddrive
[07:54] <lewix> well, I give it a try
[07:54] <moparisthebest> did you follow any specific guide or something makuseru ?
[07:54] <lewix> adydas, can you link me to that
[07:54] <makuseru> no
[07:54] <moparisthebest> adydas, i did it
[07:54] <makuseru> i just edited my xorg, and installed beryl
[07:54] <adydas> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_XGL_and_ATI
[07:54] <moparisthebest> you have a usb external harddrive and you want to access it from windows and linux adydas ?
[07:54] <moparisthebest> what did you change in xorg makuseru ?
[07:55] <adydas> i want to read and write from my pc, ( linux ) but i know i will need to to be read and write accessible from windows correct.
[07:55] <DaSkreech> coty: Hey
[07:55] <sonoftheclayr> adydas: use fat32
[07:55] <coty> yea
[07:55] <moparisthebest> adydas, it doesnt have to be read/writeable from windows if you dont want it to be
[07:55] <intelikey> adydas you want vfat
[07:55] <coty> DaSkreech: tought i was gone a
[07:55] <moparisthebest> but you can use fat32, or ext2/3 with this driver in windows:
[07:56] <DaSkreech> coty: aren't you gone?
[07:56] <moparisthebest> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[07:56] <adydas> its easyer to say writeable by both
[07:56] <coty> DaSkreech: nope
[07:56] <moparisthebest> that works great
[07:56] <eilker> same here
[07:56] <coty> DaSkreech: still htere
[07:56] <adydas> is there a howto that i cant seem to google up that will guide me
[07:56] <philphoto> ok, not speaking to you from the live CD like I expected.  defaults in BIOS reset boot device priority & I didn't catch it
[07:56] <coty> here
[07:56] <moparisthebest> how did it turn out philphoto ?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> coty: Well I am :)
[07:56] <philphoto> BUT
[07:56] <adydas> ive tryed mkfs.vfat and stuff but failed
[07:56] <DaSkreech> coty: good night
[07:56] <adydas> i may be missing a step or doing somthing wrong
[07:56] <philphoto> I don't know yet.
[07:56] <coty> DaSkeech: oh good nich
[07:56] <coty> night
[07:56] <philphoto> there's a few errors lying around.
[07:57] <moparisthebest> adydas, I just used qtparted
[07:57] <DaSkreech> coty: YOu can use tab in here as well
[07:57] <DaSkreech> das<tab>
[07:57] <coty> cool
[07:57] <philphoto> I got this on bootup: "KDesktop: The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly."
[07:57] <coty> DaSkreech: nice feature
[07:58] <DaSkreech> coty: very
[07:58] <coty> DaSkreech: why did you not tell me berofe
[07:58] <intelikey> adydas in linux when mounting vfat (includes all fat#'s) you need to use mount options to control the access  man mount  has all the details.     umask  fmask  dmask  uid gid     are all things you might want to look into.
[07:58] <coty> befor
[07:58] <DaSkreech> in Konversation it brings the name of the person who spoke last to the top of the list
[07:58] <moparisthebest> never seen that error before philphoto :?
[07:58] <eilker> !webalizer
[07:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about webalizer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <DaSkreech> coty: I like to see people miss me by >....< that much
[07:58] <moparisthebest> ill brb, rebooting
[07:58] <philphoto> I did once before
[07:59] <eilker> !iptraf
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iptraf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <coty> DaSkreech: you like what
[07:59] <DaSkreech> coty: nothing just teasing
[07:59] <coty> DaSkreech: you like it when people miss you
[07:59] <coty> DaSkreech: lol
[08:00] <lewix> the command gedit doesnt work on kubuntu, right?
[08:00] <adydas> nope
[08:00] <adydas> use kate
[08:00] <philphoto> or nano
[08:00] <adydas> gedit is for gome, kate is for KDE
[08:00] <dthacker> vi works
[08:00] <intelikey> anyone ever used    eflite    know if it's any good or not ?
[08:00] <adydas> i prefer jed over nano for a non graphical editor
[08:01] <sonoftheclayr> i've never heard of jed?
[08:01] <adydas> its awsum
[08:01] <sonoftheclayr> well, when i finish upgrading to feisty sometime tonight i'll install it
[08:01] <adydas> http://www.jedsoft.org/images/jed1.png
[08:01] <DaSkreech> !editor
[08:01] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[08:02] <DaSkreech> !html
[08:02] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[08:02] <adydas> its the same as nano really but i think it looks a tad better
[08:02] <dthacker> intelikey: no
[08:02] <coty> DaSkreech:  it thought you were leaving
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Shhhhh
[08:02] <coty> DaSkreech: lol
[08:02] <DaSkreech> If I cover my eyes they can't see me
[08:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech:  you need help in kicking yourself out of the room to be able to sleep?:D
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Jucato: No I'm considering what to shutdown for the upgrade
[08:03] <DaSkreech>  this is a high candidate
[08:03] <DaSkreech> but since I'm here might as well give help :)
[08:05] <philphoto> well folks, it's after 0200
[08:05] <philphoto> i was hoping I could resolve this, but not today.
[08:05] <intelikey> dthacker is that no you have not, or no it is not ?
[08:05] <intelikey> recite wont cut it thats fo sho
[08:05] <philphoto> maybe one day I'll be able to use this OS.
[08:06] <dthacker> if that is the speech tool, no I have not
[08:06] <intelikey> it's a speach tool
[08:06] <dthacker> but it looks like fun
[08:06] <intelikey> dthacker festival is good    but it requires perl unless i hack it.....
[08:07] <dthacker> perl is good
[08:07] <intelikey> perl is AWOL on this box.
[08:07] <Eruantalon> aawww
[08:07] <moparisthebest> woohoo, it worked, i have a bootable linux OS on a usb key :)
[08:07] <genii> yeah festival is good
[08:07] <mervteck> Can anyone reccomend a game client for Wow style maps and loading style but FPS
[08:07] <philphoto> any way I could fix this error?:  "KDesktop: The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly."
[08:07] <Eruantalon> How much would you pay to get an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0 Ghz instead of and Intel Core 2 Duo 1,83 Ghz?
[08:08] <moparisthebest> thanks dthacker :P
[08:08] <intelikey> actually i think i coart marsheled it and gave it a dishonerable discharge
[08:08] <philphoto> that's cool mopar.
[08:08] <Eruantalon> I am trying to decide what to put in my laptop...
[08:08] <ubuntu> can somebody give me a refresher course on partition please
[08:08] <moparisthebest> Eruantalon: is that the 6300 or the 6400?
[08:08] <intelikey> ^5
[08:08] <moparisthebest> I think I paid $20 more
[08:08] <intelikey> :)
[08:09] <Eruantalon> T5600 and T7200
[08:09] <moparisthebest> oh yea, mobile processors
[08:09] <eilker> !webalizer
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about webalizer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <moparisthebest> I dont know much about them
[08:09] <mervteck> correction! Can anyone reccomend a game engine thats open source for Wow style maps and loading style but FPS
[08:09] <philphoto> I think I'm going to wind up running: sudo bridge-schuylkill /float/test
[08:09] <ubuntu> <-- installing kubuntu off the live cd.. i dont have a partition right now, and i wanna save my backup space from windows
[08:09] <moparisthebest> i paid $20 more for a 1.83 to 2.0 upgrade on a regular core 2 duo
[08:09] <moparisthebest> conroe core
[08:10] <Eruantalon> moparisthebest: So maybe a mobile is allowed to be a bigger pricehop?
[08:10] <dthacker> eilker: http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/   Go in peace and serve the stats
[08:10] <moparisthebest> are things faster at all philphoto?
[08:10] <moparisthebest> how much is the pricehop Eruantalon? and where are you buying it from?
[08:10] <philphoto> I never got to boot with teh CD.  I was wanting to work the "KDesktop: The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly."  problem
[08:10] <dthacker> mervteck: have you poked around sourceforge?
[08:11] <eilker> dthacker> thanx
[08:11] <dthacker> eilker: np
[08:11] <moparisthebest> is your system faster now though philphoto?
[08:11] <mervteck> kinda but the search settings on source forge are a bit off track
[08:11] <philphoto> no
[08:11] <ubuntu> can somebody please tell me the boot / swap / root partition types and sizes please
[08:11] <moparisthebest> i wouldnt worry about any other problems until you get the insanely slow speed to get faster
[08:12] <philphoto> well, I was wondering if that would affect it at all
[08:12] <dthacker> ubuntu: i use 200mb for /boot, 2x Ram for swap, and give the rest to root
[08:13] <ubuntu> ext2..3 i dont know what types
[08:13] <philphoto> I'll boot up with teh CD now
[08:13] <lewix> oh shit
[08:13] <adydas> can qtparted do vfat ( or can windows use EXT3 to read and write? )
[08:13] <intelikey> yuch...  recite -help   requires  "more"  pager     dubble yuch
[08:13] <genii> ubuntu ext3 should be fine except swap partition should be swap
[08:14] <dthacker> ubuntu: I use ext3 for servers, and whatever ubuntu installs for desktops
[08:14] <lewix> adydas, I did it while Im not using gnome
[08:14] <lewix> should I continue?
[08:14] <moparisthebest> adydas: windows can read/write to ext2/3 perfectly
[08:14] <adydas> wicked
[08:14] <moparisthebest> i pasted you the link earlier, want me to find it again?
[08:14] <Eruantalon> moparisthebest: Sorry. Konversation sorta died on me.
[08:14] <Eruantalon> I am buying from zepto.dk the pricehop is 500 kr. thats about 86 $
[08:15] <ubuntu> is /root extended?
[08:15] <moparisthebest> yea, I dont like konversation, xchat is better imho
[08:15] <moparisthebest> Eruantalon: I dont suppose you can order from newegg.com?
[08:15] <dthacker> ubuntu, I usually make root a primary.  YMMV
[08:15] <vontux> does anyone know if the 6.06 ubuntu version guide for tv-out will work on 6.10 ubuntu, this is the site with the guide : http://www.albertomilone.com/guides.html
[08:15] <moparisthebest> they have the cheapest prices of anyone, but i dont think they deliver outside the usa :(
[08:16] <intelikey> ubuntu   /root can be on any fs that supports extended file attributes.   the partition can be any or none.
[08:16] <Eruantalon> moparisthebest: Well that would be a problem...
[08:16] <dthacker> vontux: TIAS
[08:16] <eilker> dthacker: is it non-gui ?
[08:16] <lewix> adydas, I was following your link but apparently it's not for kubuntu
[08:16] <moparisthebest> they could have changed it Eruantalon :S
[08:16] <knubbe> "update manage has crashed" :/
[08:16] <adydas> read down the bottom
[08:16] <adydas> if its like the nvida one it has 2 parts i think
[08:16] <adydas> i made the same mistake starting at the top
[08:16] <dthacker> eilker: I think I missed part of your question.  Is what non-gui?
[08:17] <adydas> 80gb formated aas ext3 used 3.2gb??????? that right?
[08:17] <ubuntu> ./boot label.. size =200mb then
[08:17] <eilker> dthacker: realizer
[08:17] <eilker> dthacker: sorry webalizer
[08:17] <eilker> :)
[08:18] <filemover> im trying to install debian etch on another partition using kubuntu as my base system ive run the debootstrap script and got this output http://pastebin.ca/417837 i submitted that to the people in debian an they told me to come here and as you guys what to do
[08:18] <filemover> ask
[08:18] <intelikey> ubuntu you only need a  /boot  partition if you intend to use an fs that the bios or boot loader may not be able to read
[08:19] <dthacker> eilker: webalizer runs through your apache logs and builds some nice report pages and graphs
[08:19] <intelikey> key word "need" you may want one...
[08:19] <eilker> dthacker> what cache ? if the web site cached ?
[08:20] <ubuntu> ok i got a partition with my music and such i want untouched (hda2) what do i do
[08:20] <Blu3> gawk doesn't come installed by default on kubuntu?  that's almost criminal!
[08:20] <moparisthebest> that is right adydas
[08:20] <dthacker> eilker: webalizer reads the logs, whatever is logged it reports on.  cached or non-cached.
[08:20] <moparisthebest> you always get screwed out of a bunch of space when you format :(
[08:20] <lewix> adydas, so what should I do if I started the script already (for the first part)
[08:21] <Eruantalon> Damn that Konversation
[08:21] <Eruantalon> moparisthebest: That they don't deliver somewhere seems to be something that companies don't tout strangely :-)
[08:21] <eilker> dthacker> thanx man
[08:22] <Eruantalon> moparisthebest: Well anyway I would like to order from i danish company. That way I can go kick the butts when soemthing goes wrong.
[08:22] <intelikey> Eruantalon contrarry to popular belief cursing a program will not improve it's quality nor performance.
[08:22] <Blu3> i beat my monitor to make it work better
[08:22] <adydas> lewix: well i formated and re isntalled
[08:22] <adydas> but it was a new installation as it was so no loss
[08:22] <moparisthebest> good point Eruantalon, you just may end up paying more
[08:22] <lewix> adydas, damn there's no a second part
[08:23] <dthacker> intelikey is right, look at all the stuff people say about windows.  It hasn't helped a bit
[08:23] <lewix> adydas, formated what
[08:23] <adydas> whats the link again
[08:23] <adydas> let me have a read
[08:23] <moparisthebest> one of my friends in australia built a computer identical to mine and spent $400 more on it :(
[08:23] <lewix> adydas, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_XGL_and_ATI
[08:23] <moparisthebest> one of my friends in australia built a computer identical to mine and spent $400 more on it :(
[08:23] <Eruantalon> intelikey, You might be right
[08:24] <Eruantalon> Incidentally it just chrashed again so now I am on xchat
[08:24] <moparisthebest> xchat owns :)
[08:24] <Eruantalon> I think it is simply KDE thats on the fritz
[08:24] <moparisthebest> i need to install it on here once I get the livecd to save my info
[08:24] <intelikey> bx baby
[08:24] <Eruantalon> Amarok, Kate and Kopete and Konqueror  won't start
[08:24] <adydas> dam there appears to be naff all support for ati and beryl
[08:25] <lewix> adydas, damn don't tell me I will have to format my linux partition just for that :\
[08:25] <intelikey> Eruantalon feisty ?
[08:25] <adydas> just uninstall anything you installed via apt
[08:25] <Eruantalon> intelikey, yes
[08:26] <Eruantalon> intelikey, I am looking for some stability (or a new laptop) so that I can get some work done
[08:26] <intelikey> Eruantalon sounds like something they "might" be fixing.   check in  #ubuntu+1  the feisty channel
[08:26] <Anonymous_> hello :)
[08:27] <Eruantalon> intelikey, well there should be a kubuntu+1 channel....
[08:27] <Blu3> eruantalon, i just rsynched my home dir, wiped the drive and reinstalled w/ herd 5.  kde got all futzed up yesterday
[08:27] <intelikey> Eruantalon stability and pre-release (beta) software in the same breath ?     maybe a sanity check is in order...
[08:28] <lewix> adydas, , how would I do that (please write my nickname whenever you talk to me)..it's confusing
[08:28] <dthacker> Eruantalon: that's why my laptop is still on Dapper until next month
[08:28] <adydas> lewix: apt-get remove packagenameyouinstalled
[08:29] <lewix> adydas, i mean I don't know them
[08:29] <Eruantalon> Blu3, So it is not just me?
[08:29] <intelikey> it just don't happen that way.
[08:29] <adydas> lewix: ill be right back
[08:29] <lewix> adydas, ok
[08:29] <Eruantalon> intelikey, I have no production systems though I do not Feisty for drivers etc...
[08:29] <Eruantalon> not=need
[08:29] <Blu3> no.  something broke.  strangely enough i've done a full upgrade since i finished my install, rebooted and everything still works
[08:30] <Eruantalon> Does it work now?
[08:31] <Eruantalon> intelikey, And what I was saying was that i wished that Feisty would be stable so I could use that. I do not plan in keeping my systems with the alpha software
[08:31] <Blu3> everything works now
[08:31] <ubuntu> thanks everybody that helped, i think i did it right >.< hope anyways
[08:32] <K`zan> In compiling a kernel on a 32 bit O/S install when you have a 64 bit processor, is it safe to compile the kernel for the exact processor or should it be left as a 5/686?
[08:32] <ubuntu> last time i did this it was in a more bios like environment, and i didnt care bout the hdd
[08:33] <intelikey> k
[08:33] <Eruantalon> Blu3, So if I do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade now and reboot maybe I will get my system back?
[08:33] <dthacker> bbl
[08:34] <Blu3> maybe
[08:34] <Blu3> i chose to wipe and reinstall
[08:35] <Eruantalon> Blu3, I will do that when I get my laptop. I need some computer while doing it. I am that addicted. Besides. Firefox, xchat and konsole still work fine so I should be good for now...
[08:35] <Blu3> *nod*
[08:35] <ubuntu> im installing on a laptop, i dont know if its relavent
[08:35] <intelikey> Q. "what do linux users do ?"
[08:36] <intelikey> A. "they install software."
[08:36] <Eruantalon> How long time do you think that a laptop should be able to run on battery?
[08:36] <ubuntu> 2 hours
[08:36] <lewix> is there a way to uninstall any recent installation with one simple command
[08:36] <Blu3> depends hugely on how you use it
[08:36] <ubuntu> well mine does, it depends on he notebook
[08:37] <Blu3> watching a dvd?  goes dead in < 2hrs.  typing code on it, it lasts me close to 4 hrs
[08:37] <intelikey> and on the battery
[08:37] <adydas> dang nabbit
[08:38] <Blu3> lith-ion batteries should be kept on the charger whenever possible, they last far longer than discharge cycles
[08:39] <adydas> why is somthign so simple so dam hard
[08:39] <intelikey> adydas what it is ?
[08:40] <philphoto> ok, I'm back
[08:40] <philphoto> no faster now than before.
[08:40] <adydas> i just want to setup a external usb harddrive so it can be both read and wrote by windows / os
[08:40] <adydas> windows / linux os
[08:40] <ubuntu> just plug it into the cigerrete lighter
[08:41] <intelikey> adydas you formated it vfat ?
[08:41] <adydas> i used qtparted
[08:41] <adydas> no vfat option :/
[08:41] <philphoto> so running Kubuntu off the live CD is faster than my installed version
[08:41] <adydas> ext2 3 and fat32
[08:41] <intelikey> yuch
[08:41] <AbortD> I SAY
[08:41] <AbortD> BURN THEM FUCKIN PRISONS DOWN!
[08:41] <Blu3> unless you use a 3rd party program, it should be fat32 or vfat
[08:41] <adydas> fat32 was horrible as  i ended with 40% of a 80gb drive
[08:41] <AbortD> !language
[08:41] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:41] <intelikey> yeah fat32 is vfat
[08:42] <adydas> oh
[08:42] <adydas> well that sucks
[08:42] <filemover> mount -t vfat /dev/sd? /media/sd?
[08:42] <adydas> i need to format and set up the drive first
[08:42] <Blu3> i meat old dos fat/vfat  it's 3am, i should've gone to bed hours ago
[08:42] <philphoto> so now wher should I go with the slow issue?
[08:42] <knubbe> ran the upgrader once again. now it works.
[08:42] <philphoto> try to do an ATI driver install?
[08:42] <AbortD> i say mount +d vfatbitch /dev/analy
[08:43] <__bill__> how do I mount a drive? like a USB mass storage drive?
[08:43] <knubbe> and now its installing 1.3gb of packages. i suppose i can go back to sleep for an hour.
[08:43] <Blu3> anyways.  my code compiles, i should be getting to bed
[08:43] <philphoto> is anyone going to boot him?
[08:43] <adydas> can i format it as fat without losing heaps of its capacatiy?
[08:43] <AbortD> ok i will stop
[08:43] <knubbe> __bill__: usb storage devices are often auto-mounted
[08:43] <AbortD> i apologize
[08:43] <AbortD> to
[08:43] <__bill__> well, when I had kubuntu installed before, it would pop up and ask me
[08:43] <adydas> thats somthing i cant understand at all either knubbe my older external hard drive was   dod
[08:44] <filemover> i think u have to edit the fstab so u can mount it
[08:44] <adydas> but i dont know how it was setup ( used some wack firmware stuff of its own with onbaord lan etc )
[08:44] <__bill__> but I just reinstalled Kubuntu yesterday, and now it only pops up for CDs
[08:44] <intelikey> adydas use something besides gparted on it.  like if you need/want a partition  sudo cfdisk /dev/sda   (assuming sda)     and   sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda (or sda1 if you use a partition)
[08:44] <__bill__> not any USB drives, including memory card readers and the such
[08:45] <knubbe> __bill__: i noticed the same problem with the kubuntu 7.04 beta live cd. i thought it was just an issue with the cd.
[08:45] <lewix> how can I format
[08:45] <adydas> put the CD in
[08:45] <adydas> and boot
[08:45] <__bill__> well I was running 6.04 before
[08:46] <__bill__> I'm at 6.10 now
[08:46] <intelikey> filemover you "can" put entries in /etc/fstab  you don't have too.    mount /dev/device /media/mount/point
[08:46] <adydas> does it have to be Vfat cant i use ntfs?
[08:46] <knubbe> __bill__: ok. have you updated your 6.10?
[08:46] <__bill__> what do you mean by update?
[08:47] <knubbe> __bill__: latest patches etc.
[08:47] <knubbe> __bill__: "full upgrade" in adept.
[08:47] <__bill__> I guess not
[08:48] <knubbe> __bill__: k-menu > system > adept. click "get updates" and then "full upgrade"
[08:48] <__bill__> I just installed from the 6.10 DVD
[08:48] <sonoftheclayr> adydas: ntfs isn't fully supported in linux
[08:48] <filemover> no thats what i was saying
[08:48] <filemover> for the present he could mount it
[08:49] <filemover> but when he boots he wants it in the fstab
[08:49] <intelikey> adydas you can use ntfs.   but you will have trubble.
[08:49] <filemover> dont use ntfs
[08:49] <filemover> get ntfs-3g
[08:49] <adydas> wont do..
[08:49] <filemover> and add that to the fstab
[08:49] <philphoto> what is the safest bet for ATI driver installation?  the open source or the fglrx?
[08:49] <adydas> hrmm the old mkfs vfat no work/dev/sdc1: No such file or directory
[08:50] <Elendal> I have ubuntu server vmware image, but it lacks glibc man pages. What package should I install to get them?
[08:50] <intelikey> adydas     sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1
[08:51] <adydas> needed -I
[08:51] <filemover> ntfs-3g will allow read and write to ntfs partitions
[08:51] <intelikey> note the dot         ^
[08:51] <knubbe> __bill__: and after you have upgraded your kubuntu, i suggest you reboot your computer, since there have been alot of updates since 6.10 was released. including kernel-updates.
[08:51] <adydas> i just wanted the easyest possible way to use a usb harddrive via windows AND linux
[08:51] <adydas> so i can transfer stuff to a mates pc, backup or what ever
[08:52] <__bill__> hmmm
[08:52] <__bill__> ok, this'll take a while
[08:52] <__bill__> thanks
[08:52] <intelikey> that would be making it vfat
[08:53] <adydas> ok intelikey i done your way
[08:53] <knubbe> "About 2 hours and 13 minutes remaining" :-/
[08:53] <adydas> now how do i appropriatly fstab it or make it so it picks it up under linux on boot ( or plug in )
[08:54] <intelikey> mount -o umask=000 /dev/sdc1 /media/<something>
[08:54] <intelikey> adydas ^
[08:54] <filemover> add this line to the fstab     /dev/sd? /media/sd? vfat noauto,users,exec,umask=000,shortname=winnt,uid=knoppix,gid=knoppix 0 0  replacing the ? with whatever your device is in dev
[08:54] <filemover> replace knoppix with your distro
[08:55] <intelikey> of fstab ...    /dev/sdc1 /mount/point vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0
[08:55] <genii> adydas Use ext3 filestsyem and the ext3 driver for windoze at fs-driver.org
[08:55] <intelikey> maybe add  user,users  in the defaults section.
[08:55] <adydas> omg genii that sounds like good news
[08:57] <genii> adydas It's the simplest solution with the least fuss
[08:57] <intelikey> genii how's that ?
[08:57] <adydas> my issue is getting windows to reconise the drive at all
[08:57] <intelikey> you have to install things on windows for that route ?
[08:58] <genii> intelikey Because linux natively uses the ext3 so no special mucking with mount-mangling etc.
[08:58] <intelikey> genii linux natively uses vfat also
[08:58] <adydas> thats a point if i go to a mates house id need to visit fs-driver.org
[08:58] <genii> adydas The driver fits on a floppy
[08:58] <posingaspopular> adaptr, fs driver was weird though
[08:59] <posingaspopular> because i duno wth to do when im in linux
[08:59] <adydas> brb im going to try it out
[08:59] <sonoftheclayr> adydas fat32 is supported by default
[08:59] <intelikey> what box has a floppy drive these days ?
[08:59] <posingaspopular> to show the files
[08:59] <sonoftheclayr> intelikey exactly!
[08:59] <coty> intelikey: Could you refesh my memory on upgrading without the cd
[08:59] <genii> intelikey Well could use a usb key or a camera card whatever
[09:00] <sonoftheclayr> yeah but you still have to install it
[09:00] <intelikey> !upgrade | coty
[09:00] <ubotu> coty: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:01] <intelikey> genii good idea  he would need a usb key to get his usb key to work.....
[09:01] <intelikey> :)
[09:01] <genii> intelikey The main advantages to the fs-driver is no 4Gb file limit of vfat and no mount-manglin for mounting ntfs in linux
[09:01] <genii> But whatever works :)
[09:01] <intelikey> "mount-manglin" ?
[09:01] <genii> intelikey Well, I mean nls= gid= etc etc
[09:02] <intelikey> umask=000  is really hard....
[09:02] <intelikey> and that's all you need to make linux treat vfat just like windows treats it.
[09:02] <Eruantalon> wohoo. everything came back! I think my broken nfs-server was to blame. It seems that kde et al. can't handle not getting a response and just freezes
[09:03] <genii> intelikey Pls note I said ntfs not vfat
[09:03] <intelikey> but he made it vfat
[09:03] <intelikey> :)
[09:05] <coty> i forgot the dumb command again for editing sources
[09:05] <genii> intelikey: If he already has a vfat partition then it's whatever works LOL I'm stating more as of a general strategy overall that fs-driver/ext3 partition makes the most sense
[09:05] <intelikey> i agree i'd go ext# and force my friends to dl+install a driver before i'd make one of my drives ntfs...
[09:06] <genii> Also the advantage is you can have DVD isos on it, vfat limit wouldn't allow that
[09:06] <intelikey> fs not partition
[09:06] <intelikey> but yea
[09:06] <intelikey> coty  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:07] <coty> thanks
[09:07] <intelikey> i can always part them out and rejoin them...
[09:07] <intelikey> split/join
[09:09] <sonoftheclayr> if use rsync mirrors for apt would it work and use rsync properly?
[09:09] <intelikey> i guess i should see if i can get the man pages accessable on this box.
[09:10] <bott> ok, this is the guy that just had partition questions.. now i got it up and running w/o the cd
[09:11] <bott> BUT my hd2 with music is now full of other stuff...
[09:11] <[square] > Hello. Please may someone tell me a programm to convert avi in dvd? Thanks
[09:12] <intelikey> hd2 ?   hda2 ?
[09:12] <bott> did tey both get thrown together or what? (root, and my backup drive from windows)
[09:12] <bott> yeah hda2 srry
[09:12] <bott> ./media/hdamuhnami2
[09:12] <bott> and that!
[09:13] <bott> why does it do that
[09:13] <intelikey> hda2 is second partition on hda      in a konsole do    sudo fdisk -l     to locate your partition  the numbering may have changed
[09:14] <bott> ./media/hdamuhnami2 (was typed in as ./media/hda2) why did it throw in part of my IM nickname?
[09:14] <bott> it only happens with the a key
[09:14] <intelikey> irc client "nick completion"
[09:15] <lewix> how do we rename file again?
[09:15] <bott> mk how do i turn t off
[09:15] <intelikey> mv oldname newname
[09:15] <lewix> thanks
[09:16] <intelikey> bott that would be client specific
[09:16] <philphoto> how to save changes to xorg.conf?  I'm trying to save then exit & restart xserver
[09:16] <intelikey> check it's menus
[09:16] <pollyo> Anyone using a mceusb remote control with linux?
[09:16] <intelikey> philphoto have to edit as root
[09:16] <philphoto> I did
[09:16] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto what text editor?
[09:16] <philphoto> there's no menu at the bottom of this one
[09:16] <philphoto> vim
[09:17] <pollyo> I have lirc working and now I'm looking at irkick for kde.
[09:17] <philphoto> I should have used nano
[09:17] <Jucato> philphoto: press Esc, type :wq
[09:17] <sonoftheclayr> don't worry about it just use nano next time
[09:17] <bott> when i did my partitioning it was hda2 (fat32) and my windows partition (ntfs) i deleted the ntfs and made boot / swap / and rest root
[09:17] <Jucato> philphoto: (include the colon ':')
[09:18] <bott> if there being displayed together, how do i seperate them
[09:18] <intelikey> philphoto on   [esc]  : wq
[09:18] <philphoto> thanks!
[09:18] <malte> hllo
[09:18] <malte> hello
[09:18] <sonoftheclayr> hi
[09:18] <philphoto> I didn't put a space between : and wq, hope it didn't make a difference
[09:18] <Jucato> philphoto: you really shouldn't :)
[09:18] <intelikey> it didn't
[09:18] <Jucato> :wq
[09:18] <Jucato> no space
[09:18] <philphoto> ah, good
[09:18] <philphoto> that's what I did
[09:19] <Jucato> :wq = save (write) and quit. :w = save only. :q! = quit without saving
[09:19] <coty> intelikey: i put in this line of command and i get an error:  apt-get -s -u dist-upgrade | grep ^' ' | xargs apt-get -y install
[09:19] <intelikey> Jucato vi ignores a leading space
[09:20] <Jucato> intelikey: true that
[09:20] <intelikey> coty   grep ^' '     grep '^ '
[09:20] <coty> intelikey: what is that suppose to mean
[09:20] <pollyo> Anyone know the homepage for irkick?
[09:20] <coty> oh
[09:20] <pollyo> !irkick
[09:20] <intelikey> coty also apt-get has to be ran as root
[09:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irkick - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <philphoto> ok, I'm back
[09:21] <coty> ok
[09:21] <intelikey> coty means the shell will "bother"  ^' '   but not  '^ '
[09:21] <philphoto> now lets see if the machine is slow.
[09:21] <coty> how do i get into root
[09:21] <intelikey> !root
[09:21] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:21] <coty> could you write out the command
[09:21] <intelikey> ok...
[09:22] <clever[rev] > how would i go about uninstalling gnome and installing kde?
[09:22] <philphoto> give me something to run that might stretch my computer's legs a bit
[09:22] <sonoftheclayr> firefox maybe
[09:22] <philphoto> konquerer work?
[09:22] <intelikey> sudo apt-get -syu dist-upgrade
[09:22] <coty> clever: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:22] <intelikey> i think that's what you want there coty
[09:22] <coty> ok
[09:22] <coty> thanks
[09:23] <clever[rev] > coty: i'll give that a try once the updates are done installing
[09:23] <intelikey> best i can tell out of your command string
[09:23] <Kite_DH> is anybody here using Konversation?
[09:23] <coty> nope
[09:23] <sonoftheclayr> Kite_DH yes
[09:23] <coty> i mean
[09:23] <coty> yes
[09:23] <Kite_DH> is there a way to run scripts?
[09:23] <Kite_DH> for bots or something
[09:24] <coty> !ubotu
[09:24] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:24] <Jucato> Kite_DH: try in #konversation
[09:24] <Kite_DH> ok
[09:24] <coty> !scripts
[09:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scripts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:24] <bott> intelikely hda1=boot, hda2=(music fat32) hda3=swap, hda4=root
[09:25] <bott> woah wait a sec, isnt "pc angel" for windows
[09:26] <coty> intelikey: it is not working
[09:26] <coty> intelikey: that second to last line
[09:26] <coty> intelikey : on the upgrade page
[09:26] <philphoto> I need the commandline for MP3 support.  Amarok won't run it for some reason.
[09:27] <philphoto> I need "Linux for dummies" is what I need
[09:27] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto i think all of us need it
[09:27] <clever[rev] > i perfer mplayer(mostly cmd line controled) as my video/audio player for alot of things
[09:27] <philphoto> 3:23 AM EDT.  philphoto thinks he took care of the superslowness problem
[09:28] <philphoto> can anybody help me out with that command line?
[09:28] <philphoto> MP3
[09:29] <philphoto> thanks.  I'll try not to re-install for at least another 2 days.  :D
[09:29] <clever[rev] > lol
[09:29] <coty> what programe plays swf files
[09:29] <mrigns> mplayer
[09:29] <coty> or plug in
[09:29] <coty> yea it says i need a plug in
[09:29] <sonoftheclayr> coty you need adobe flash player
[09:30] <mrigns> you need the codec
[09:30] <coty> mrigns: what is it
[09:30] <philphoto> it was the ATI graphics driver all along.
[09:30] <mrigns> http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/
[09:31] <philphoto> I had to do the long install & change xorg.conf
[09:31] <coty> thanks
[09:32] <adydas> !nfts
[09:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nfts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:32] <mrigns> you have to put them in /usr/lib/win32 and /usr/lib/codecs just put all in both dirs
[09:32] <adydas> !mount
[09:32] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:32] <coty> !info nfts
[09:32] <ubotu> Package nfts does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[09:32] <adydas> !diskmounter
[09:32] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[09:32] <adydas> !fuse
[09:32] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[09:34] <adydas> whats that other ntfs mounter
[09:34] <adydas> 3g or somthing
[09:34] <adydas> !3g
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3g - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <adydas> !3g-ntfs
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3g-ntfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <poningru> !ntfs-3g
[09:34] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[09:37] <philphoto> sonoftheclayr: do you know the command line for the mp3 support?  amarok crashed
[09:37] <philphoto> now that I have a kubuntu install that runs like I want it, can I import my e-mail settings over from my other harddrive?
[09:37] <Chemicalvamp> im having some major issues, could somebody please 1 on 1 with me for a moment?
[09:38] <philphoto> I'm sick of configuring stuff.
[09:38] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto sorry i don't know it
[09:38] <sonoftheclayr> install xmms and see if that works
[09:38] <philphoto> sorry, I thought you had given it to me earlier tonight.  must have been someone else.
[09:38] <erikja> !skype
[09:38] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[09:39] <philphoto> there are a bunch of mp3 support libs in adept, but I don't know which one is associated with amarok
[09:39] <sonoftheclayr> !mp3
[09:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:40] <posingaspopular> !anyone | Chemicalvamp
[09:40] <ubotu> Chemicalvamp: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:41] <Chemicalvamp> 2/4 questions where answered in here, i have a few more+ the unanswered ones, i just thought it would be faster that way
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> ask them...might have the answer
[09:42] <Chemicalvamp> well i have come to the conclusion that alll the files i've never seen before on my windows backup partition where always there jut hidden..
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> probably
[09:43] <philphoto> ok, it's 3:42AM.  I got a lot done tonight, mainly configure that @#$$#%!! ATI driver and now my machine is appearing to work faster.
[09:43] <Chemicalvamp> but i cant delete them, i want to put MY files on the root drive, and format this extra partition
[09:43] <philphoto> proof will be in the pudding tomorrow when I fire up the scanner.
[09:43] <sonoftheclayr> philphoto better go to bed and hope it stays that way
[09:43] <posingaspopular> Chemicalvamp, what command are you using to try and delete
[09:44] <philphoto> ssshhhh!  don't tell it!
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> umm right click-> delete lol
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> some files say '
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> This area of your hard disk
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> (or partition) contains files used
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> for your system recovery.
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> 
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> Do not delete or alter these files.
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> 
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> Any change to this partition could
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> prevent any recovery later.
[09:44] <Chemicalvamp> is hat bad?
[09:45] <Jucato> !pastebin
[09:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:45] <kingcobra_> what are the advantages of kde over gnome
[09:45] <philphoto> Chemicalvamp: did you run windows defragment tuility before loading up linux?
[09:45] <Chemicalvamp> yeah, a pop-up said that, i didnt know it would spam.. thought it would be all in one lone
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> its a desktop enviroment...not a desktop manager
[09:45] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[09:45] <Chemicalvamp> maybe a few weeks ago
[09:46] <stdin> kingcobra_: you will have a GUI that doesn't suck :P
[09:46] <hyper_ch> hiho, how can I tell the new k3b in feisty that I do not want to burn on a double layer and that data of 4.4 GB are enough to burn on a single-layer dvd?
[09:46] <philphoto> you should boot up in Windows, run the defragment & it will pack all your old Win files on one side of the drive leaving free space for your partition
[09:46] <kingcobra_> Admiral_Chicago, what do you mean
[09:46] <sonoftheclayr> kingcobra_: kde is more customizable and easier to customize also kde apps integrate really well with kde and othr programs. kde is also faster than gnome
[09:46] <intelikey> ok how do you get grep to show it's match rather than just saying "Binary file (standard input) matches"  ?
[09:47] <Chemicalvamp> this laptop came with windows media edition, with a cd, and always had 2 partitions..
[09:47] <Admiral_Chicago> kingcobra_: everything is intergrated, so it's a full experience, rather than being GTK+ packages being thrown together
[09:47] <kingcobra_> stdin, what sucks about gnome
[09:47] <Chemicalvamp> the main one, and then the system restore one
[09:47] <philphoto> do you have DVD's that you can back everything up on?
[09:47] <philphoto> ah.
[09:47] <stdin> intelikey: use -a (may print binary garbage to the console tho)
[09:47] <intelikey> dd if=/dev/hda count=1 2>/dev/null | egrep -woe 'GRUB'  <<< that's what i'm playing with   but i want it to say the word it finds.
[09:47] <philphoto> you might want to run Xubuntu
[09:48] <intelikey> stdin k checking
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Xubuntu is pretty great
[09:48] <philphoto> it's smaller footprint is better for laptops.
[09:48] <stdin> kingcobra_: it's far to locked down and over simplified
[09:48] <Chemicalvamp> man i dont know whos talkin to who
[09:48] <intelikey> stdin yep that's it
[09:48] <Jucato> !offtopic
[09:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:48] <philphoto> i'm talking to you Chemicalvamp, sorry
[09:48] <intelikey> i have got to fix the man pages on this box.
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: i had a rought night...should be asleep...going now
[09:48] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: aw... hope you have a good sleep :)
[09:49] <philphoto> chemicalvamp: are you running  linux from a cd?
[09:49] <Chemicalvamp> ok, no dvds.. just had a 6 gig chunk of partition to hold this stuff while i installed kubuntu
[09:49] <sonoftheclayr> the way communities like this bring together the world. people are talking about sleep and it not even 6 in the evening here
[09:49] <Chemicalvamp> i was, but it is installed now
[09:49] <Chemicalvamp> and upgrading
[09:49] <Admiral_Chicago> night everyone. mich Ubuntu love
[09:49] <kingcobra_> Jucato, ill go there
[09:49] <Jucato> sonoftheclayr: not 6pm here either :)
[09:49] <philphoto> good, good.
[09:49] <sonoftheclayr> yeah its quarter to 6
[09:49] <philphoto> chemicalvamp: what kind of laptop is it?
[09:50] <sonoftheclayr> 10 to actually
[09:50] <Chemicalvamp> i want to move these files off this partition and format it
[09:50] <philphoto> it's almost 4am here
[09:50] <philphoto> you need to back them up to external media
[09:50] <Chemicalvamp> gateway.. amd64 laptop.. 2.2ghz 1g ram 64mb video
[09:50] <philphoto> that's the safest way
[09:50] <philphoto> nice.
[09:51] <Chemicalvamp> 500 bucks on sale at best buy lol
[09:51] <Chemicalvamp> i cant put it on hda4?
[09:51] <philphoto> chemicalvamp: xubuntu would probably be a better candidate for that laptop.  though you DO have the good arch. for linux
[09:51] <Chemicalvamp> how do i moun it
[09:51] <posingaspopular> !mount
[09:51] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:51] <Chemicalvamp> im not havng any problems
[09:52] <Chemicalvamp> just the hda mess i had from the start
[09:52] <philphoto> but when you start running a bunch of apps, it may slow down.
[09:53] <philphoto> chemicalvamp: do you know how to use ubotu?
[09:53] <Chemicalvamp> ok 1) what is it, and 2)why?
[09:53] <stdin> !bot
[09:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:54] <sonoftheclayr> what version of kde comes installed with feisty?
[09:54] <philphoto> chemicalvamp: you can also scroll down to ubotu's user id, open query then type in the topic you're looking for.
[09:54] <philphoto> sonoftheclayr: click on the topic
[09:55] <Chemicalvamp> philphoto did you just get a message from me?
[09:55] <philphoto> yup
[09:55] <philphoto> sorry
[09:55] <Jucato> philphoto: /query ubotu <factoid> works too :)
[09:55] <philphoto> thanks
[09:55] <Chemicalvamp> but im a noob... ;ast linux i used was gentoo
[09:56] <stdin> philphoto: /msg ubotu <factoid> is another way
[09:57] <Jucato> stdin: the difference would be /msg doesn't immediately open up a new tab/window until the person/bot replies
[09:57] <Jucato> philphoto: for you too ^^^
[09:58] <Chemicalvamp> command for mounting anybody?
[09:58] <hyper_ch> btw, does kubuntu feisty use less ressources than edgy?
[09:59] <mrigns> Chemicalvamp: mount
[09:59] <intelikey> well that was easy enough.  copy two files and now i have man pages again.
[09:59] <sonoftheclayr> lol
[09:59] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp sudo mount anybody
[10:00] <intelikey> oh wait.    sudo mount /dev/<devicenode> /media/>mountopint>
[10:05] <intelikey> why on earth does !mount  point to partitioning apps ?
[10:06] <Jucato> it does have (GNOME) instructions at the end
[10:06] <philphoto> how to move files from one partition to another?
[10:07] <mrigns> mv
[10:07] <zido> philphoto, mount both of the partitions and just move the file like you normally would.
[10:07] <intelikey> mv /path/files /new/location/
[10:08] <intelikey> sudo mv -R / /dev/null
[10:08] <intelikey> kids don't try that at home tho
[10:09] <Jucato> tsk tsk
[10:09] <intelikey> oh kick me.
[10:09] <intelikey> :)
[10:09] <Jucato> don't provoke me :)
[10:11] <intelikey> should have been /home/jucato     shoot...
[10:12] <sonoftheclayr> be back in about half an hour to tell you all how my feisty upgrade went
[10:14] <philphoto> night folks.
[10:15] <adydas> intelikey: whats your reccomendation for me to mount this dam usb drive?
[10:15] <Chemicalvamp> is there a way to append a partition to /root?
[10:16] <cypher1> is there a news reader that comes by default in kubuntu ?
[10:17] <mrigns> akgregator
[10:17] <mrigns> akregator
[10:18] <mrigns> @cyper1
[10:20] <mrigns> !hi | jucato
[10:20] <ubotu> jucato: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:20] <Jucato> O.o
[10:20] <mrigns> was bored
[10:20] <Jucato> hm..
[10:22] <Ash-Fox> A mail client joined the channel... It's become selfaware.
[10:24] <adydas> This is mentall and so not right
[10:25] <Iwonder|too> is there a nzb client?
[10:25] <adydas> why as su can i not remove a plain and boring folder located in / where i was to mount my external drive?
[10:25] <adydas> konsole just hands
[10:25] <cntb> youtube  on firefox in dapper does not show smooth . how do I nice  permanently or is there any other solution . try that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoVHvoPtlEQ&mode=related&search=
[10:25] <adydas> hangs
[10:26] <cntb> \o  all
[10:26] <cntb> \o Admiral_Chicago
[10:26] <mrigns> Iwonder|too: klibido
[10:26] <intelikey> adydas what folder ?
[10:26] <cntb> \o Jucato
[10:26] <adydas> er /external
[10:27] <Iwonder|too> ty
[10:27] <intelikey> adydas in a konsole#   grep external /proc/mounts
[10:28] <mrigns> !hi | cntb
[10:28] <ubotu> cntb: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:28] <adydas> ahar
[10:28] <adydas>  thats the problem right... /dev/sdc1 /external fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other 0 0
[10:28] <clever[rev] > ive installed the kubuntu-desktop package and started kdm
[10:28] <clever[rev] > but when i login i still get a gnome-panel and gnomeish interfaced
[10:28] <intelikey> can't delete a mounted fs adydas
[10:29] <adydas> but why is it mounting
[10:29] <adydas> nothing in fstabd and ive rebooted
[10:29] <mrigns> clever[rev] : so try starting kde and not gnome with kdm
[10:29] <clever[rev] > mrigns: how?
[10:29] <Iwonder|too> session
[10:29] <mrigns> clever[rev] : you can change ur session
[10:30] <intelikey> adydas that is a $64k Q.  why do they have any automounting in linux....
[10:30] <clever[rev] > loading the sessions editor from gnome
[10:30] <cntb> Jucato:
[10:30] <clever[rev] > intelikey: i sometimes get cd's and usb drives automounting on linux
[10:31] <cntb> \o mrigns
[10:31] <clever[rev] > but after umount'ing and eject'ing the cd will often not mount in insert
[10:31] <intelikey> clever[rev]  that don't make me like it.
[10:31] <clever[rev] > :P
[10:31] <cntb> ideas about renicing ? try clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoVHvoPtlEQ&mode=related&search=
[10:32] <intelikey> you are "expected" to use the eject option in the icon on the kde desktop
[10:32] <clever[rev] > intelikey: im still trying to get the kde desktop to even load:P
[10:32] <clever[rev] > its loading gnome still atm
[10:33] <intelikey> at login select the desktop you want and make it default
[10:34] <clever[rev] > intelikey: /me logs out and looks harder at kde
[10:34] <cntb> pls cme again intelikey
[10:34] <intelikey> c
[10:34] <intelikey> n
[10:34] <clever[rev] > ahhhh i think i see it now:)
[10:35] <intelikey> t
[10:35] <intelikey> b
[10:35] <cntb> youtube is so smooth on ff2/ windows
[10:35] <intelikey> 
[10:35] <clever[rev] > 'could not start kstartup check your instalation'
[10:36] <clever[rev] > cntb: any flash based video sucks 100% cpu on linux
[10:36] <cntb> dapper must have inconvenient defaults is that it? will try edgy
[10:36] <clever[rev] > but they often perform a bit/lot better on winblows
[10:36] <cntb> I see clever[rev] 
[10:36] <clever[rev] > thats what ive noticed
[10:36] <cntb> and no ubuntu installation lies that clever[rev]  ?
[10:36] <cntb> lies >likes
[10:36] <clever[rev] > ?
[10:36] <stdin> gnome users are dumb
[10:37] <stdin> ... just had to say that
[10:37] <clever[rev] > lol
[10:37] <cntb> stdin now on kde
[10:37] <clever[rev] > i use both gnome and plain text console
[10:37] <intelikey> stdin i think it's.    computer users are dumb !
[10:37] <stdin> cntb: I was actually referring to someone in another channel I'm in :)
[10:37] <intelikey> why leave your friends out...
[10:38] <cntb> no worries
[10:38] <cntb> btw did you try the clip above
[10:38] <clever[rev] > odd
[10:39] <clever[rev] > the files under ~/.kde/
[10:39] <clever[rev] > are owned by root
[10:39] <clever[rev] > and im not logged in as root
[10:39] <clever[rev] > wont that cause problems?
[10:39] <cntb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoVHvoPtlEQ&mode=related&search=
[10:39] <intelikey> clever[rev]  it may.
[10:39] <stdin> cntb: utube works fine here, but i'm on feisty
[10:39] <cntb> clever[rev] : you may take ownership
[10:40] <clever[rev] > could be why kde is giving me so much trouble
[10:40] <intelikey> imo it never hurts to own your home.
[10:40] <clever[rev] > i'll sudo chown clever:clever -R ~/.kde
[10:40] <cntb> and feisty is 2 versions above dapper
[10:40] <intelikey> did you do sudo "some-kde-app"  ?
[10:40] <clever[rev] > intelikey: i may have in the past
[10:40] <clever[rev] > might have been arround the first kde app i used
[10:40] <intelikey> !kdesu
[10:40] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[10:41] <clever[rev] > so when it init'ed everything it made them root owned
[10:41] <clever[rev] > i didnt have kde installed fully then
[10:41] <intelikey> !gksudo
[10:41] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application> 
[10:41] <clever[rev] > so the .kde was probly empty until i sudo'ed a kde program
[10:41] <clever[rev] > i'll try that next time
[10:42] <jljx> I CANT GAT X 2 WORK ON MAH LAP2P!11111! OMG LOL IT JUST GOAS BAK 2 A KERN3L!!111 CAN ANYONA HALP ME I NED 2 DO AN ESAY WIT IT!!!!1111 OMG LOL ALSO PLAY MORPGS LOL!111!1!1 LOL
[10:42] <Chemicalvamp> i need help reformatting a partition.. the partition is /dev/hda2 and its mounted
[10:42] <stdin> !caps | jljx
[10:42] <ubotu> jljx: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[10:43] <clever[rev] > ahhhh non gnome like stuff loading
[10:43] <clever[rev] > i think i fixed it:P
[10:43] <intelikey> jljx where did you evere find anything so rediculess ?
[10:45] <atidem> hi
[10:45] <adydas> intelikey: mounted as vfat via a fstab line /dev/sdc /external vfat exec,umask=000,shortname=mixed,quiet,iocharset=utf8 0 0 would that cause it not to save the wrote data?
[10:45] <adydas> as if i remove the usb plug and put it back and remount nothings there agian..
[10:46] <intelikey> adydas you made a partition on that did you not ?    and that's mounting the device   not a partition on the device...   so yeah
[10:46] <jljx> TEH AOL!!!111 LOL OMG
[10:46] <cntb> <clever[rev] > cntb: any flash based video sucks 100% cpu on linux << --- I think Microsoft is committed to user satisfaction even when stability is at stake
[10:46] <adydas> correct
[10:47] <cntb> now niced ff2 to -10
[10:47] <cntb> hi Frost^
[10:47] <Frost^> Hello.
[10:47] <clever[rev] > cntb: that should give it more cpu and make it play better
[10:47] <clever[rev] > at the expense of other things
[10:47] <stdin> cntb: yeah, I still use ~95% CPU with any flash vids
[10:47] <intelikey> jljx figures  heh
[10:48] <cntb> stdin:  how can you grant nicer priority to ff2 on start?
[10:49] <intelikey> wraper script ?
[10:49] <stdin> cntb: you can edit the script that starts ff
[10:49] <cntb> Frost^: you may want to idle also on #ubuntu-il
[10:49] <fuzzy_logic> !paste
[10:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:49] <jljx> I LIEV IN ARKANSAS I HAEV ON3 OF TEH OLPC LAP2PS FOR D3VELOPNG COUNTREIS!!!1!
[10:49] <intelikey> shalom fuzzy_logic
[10:49] <Frost^> cntb: probably.
[10:49] <cntb> stdin ok ty where to look?
[10:50] <Frost^> I was wondering, however, is there a normal working version of the Human icon theme for KDE?
[10:50] <stdin> cntb: the script that starts FF is /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[10:50] <cntb> tyvm stdin lookin there . kdesu kate /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[10:51] <jljx> HUMAN THEMA SI BROWNER THAN THES BLAK GUY I KNOW SI THES AFRICAN LINUX?11!11!!??!!? OMG
[10:51] <intelikey> Frost^ ubuntu-artwork   i think...   jucato would know.
[10:52] <fuzzy_logic> Frost^: i was looking for that too, but couldn't find anything
[10:52] <Frost^> Oh. That's a shame
[10:52] <stdin> cntb: where it has "exec "$@"" try "exec nice (nice livel) "$@""
[10:52] <stdin> cntb: also look at "man nice" too
[10:54] <shinobi> Frost^ saw something like that on kde-look
[10:54] <intelikey> nice -20 man nice
[10:54] <Mena> any one know what is linspire ?? :D
[10:54] <Mena> !linspire
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linspire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:55] <Frost^> shinobi: I found a theme there called Human KDE. It was of pretty low quality.
[10:55] <pollyo> Mena: Another distribution see Freesprire as well.
[10:55] <shinobi> Frost^ yeah, looks like not the one i saw earlier
[10:55] <Mena> pollyo, what is diffrent brw both the free one and linspire
[10:55] <Mena> btw*
[10:56] <intelikey> !theme
[10:56] <pollyo> Mena: I'm not sure actually.
[10:56] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:56] <Mena> pollyo, ok no prob
[10:56] <Mena> :)
[10:57] <stdin> Mena: linspire is the "new" name of Lindows, the one with all the proprietary stuff included by default (IIRC), aimed at Windows users moving to Linux
[10:58] <Mena> stdin, ohhh like the first step to linux :)
[10:59] <Mena> hehehhhehe :)
[10:59] <stdin> Mena: yeah, I used it once, a long time ago. before MS tried a law suit against them (for the name)
[11:00] <Mena> but its really a good idea
[11:02] <Mena> stdin, some times on edgy when i try to open say kdm theme mamanget pr adept_manager it didnt load the the window where its request the pass
[11:03] <Mena> manager* or*
[11:04] <stdin> Mena: maybe it's something to do with kdesu loading the app, like it reads roots settings or something
[11:05] <bott> i need a link to somebody that will tell me how to format a problematic partition
[11:05] <bott> or a howto
[11:06] <Mena> stdin, ok
[11:06] <stdin> !format
[11:06] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:06] <bott> tried that thing already
[11:06] <bott> cant find man mkfs
[11:07] <bott> fstab and diskmounter do me no good
[11:08] <stdin> bott: do it in Konsole
[11:13] <intelikey> bott make sure it's not mounted and do    sudo cat /dev/zero > /dev/hd?#  (where hd?# would be something like hda1 "where the partition is")    then  sudo mkfs.(type) /dev/hd?#
[11:15] <intelikey> zero'ing the partition will normally get rid of most "problems"   but if that doesn't streighten it out you probably need to run badblocks on it.
[11:16] <bott> i can go to /media/ and unmount it, but then i have to do sudo mount /dev/hda2
[11:16] <bott> if its not mounted.. ts just a folder
[11:18] <bott> i dont wanna spam, but can i sent this error to soebody here?
[11:18] <intelikey> bott you can't format a mounted fs
[11:18] <intelikey> !paste
[11:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:18] <bott> here inlies the ERROR
[11:19] <bott> its not mounted, when i click it, its an empty folder
[11:19] <_tintin_> Salut, hi ... usualy this forum was in french mais il est en anglais maintenant ?
[11:19] <bott> but when i wrote to the partition table it said it was busy, though it was unmounted
[11:19] <intelikey> !fr
[11:19] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:20] <intelikey> bott address ?
[11:20] <_tintin_> i don't mind, c'est pas grave; maybe i can solve my problem here ;-)
[11:21] <bott> how do i log into my registered name?
[11:21] <bott> so i can pm
[11:21] <_tintin_> i just want to read a doc i got in 'docbook' format
[11:21] <intelikey> !register | bott
[11:21] <ubotu> bott: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:22] <Linux_Galore> is there a OOo latest repo, ver 2.2 is out
[11:22] <_tintin_> i don't know what to use ti read it without the codes ::
[11:22] <bott> i have a registered nic... its chemicalvamp
[11:23] <intelikey>  q docbook viewer
[11:23] <intelikey> lyx - High Level Word Processor
[11:23] <intelikey> don't know if that's what you want or not .....
[11:23] <bott> after update i rebooted, and now it is back on bott
[11:23] <intelikey> /nick chemicalvamp
[11:24] <stdin> bott: the /msg NickServ identify (your password)
[11:24] <_tintin_> i tried to install docbooks packages, but dit not found how to open the file with them
[11:24] <c1|freaky> hi all. does anyone know the "K-Menu" from SuSE? is it also available for kubuntu?
[11:25] <chemicalvamp> mk now what
[11:26] <chemicalvamp> ok all good, now that paste thing, i did it, now what
[11:26] <intelikey> the url to the paste
[11:26] <chemicalvamp> ok i get it
[11:26] <stdin> c1|freaky: that Kickoff ?
[11:26] <chemicalvamp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13062/
[11:27] <c1|freaky> i dont know how it is called. but SuSE has a unique K-Menu style which is imo better than the default one.
[11:27] <chemicalvamp> do you see any problems with that paste?
[11:27] <stdin> c1|freaky: well it's called Kickoff
[11:27] <c1|freaky> ok, is it available for kubuntu?
[11:27] <stdin> !Kickoff
[11:27] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[11:28] <c1|freaky> thx :DD
[11:29] <intelikey> chemicalvamp yeah... your hda3 is now going to be hda2  and hda4 is going to step to hda3    i believe...
[11:29] <yaccin> tastymenu <3
[11:29] <yaccin> http://bennid.de/files/linux/debs/kubuntu/feisty/
[11:30] <intelikey> making reboot treturess at best...
[11:30] <yaccin> intelikey: remounting should be enough?
[11:30] <c1|freaky> yaccin: whats that tasty menu? are there any screenshots?
[11:31] <yaccin> uhm one moment ^^
[11:31] <c1|freaky> stdin: kickoff doesnt seem to be downloadable
[11:31] <intelikey> chemicalvamp if it does fail to boot you will need to edit the kernel line in grub and adjust the partition number down one.
[11:32] <yaccin> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=41866
[11:32] <intelikey> have you ever played with editing in grub ?
[11:32] <Ace2016> Hi all
[11:32] <intelikey> oh shoot.  he left and i'm posting monolog again...
[11:33] <Ace2016> anyone know the script that resizes 128x128 icons into 64x64 and so on?
[11:33] <Ace2016> i'm making a kde icon theme
[11:33] <yaccin> << oxygen ^^
[11:34] <Iwonder|too> anyone know an app to convert mp3 bitrate say from 128 to 192?
[11:34] <stdin> c1|freaky: http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb//pool/edgy/3v1n0/kicker-kickoff_1_i386.deb
[11:36] <yaccin> sthe wanted a screenshot :P
[11:36] <chemicalvamp> ok i got an issue.. my settings arent saving, manual wireless configuration, kopete account passwords
[11:36] <yaccin> i already postet a deb ^^
[11:36] <chemicalvamp> all reset after every boot
[11:36] <stdin> yaccin: for kickoff?
[11:36] <yaccin> arr
[11:36] <yaccin> no
[11:36] <yaccin> sry
[11:36] <yaccin> XD
[11:36] <c1|freaky> stdin: im on feisty
[11:37] <arkaitz> can I play .wma files on linux?
[11:37] <stdin> c1|freaky: shouldn't matter
[11:37] <c1|freaky> ok
[11:37] <c1|freaky> how recent is that version?
[11:39] <stdin> c1|freaky: 04-Dec-2006 (apparently)
[11:41] <chemicalvamp> does anybody have any idea why none of my settings are sticking after a reboot
[11:42] <yaccin> arkaitz: sure
[11:42] <arkaitz> yaccin: so, how?
[11:42] <c1|freaky> stdin: hm its a bit old
[11:42] <yaccin> arkaitz: vlc :)
[11:42] <c1|freaky> wait ill restart KDE now
[11:43] <yaccin> or w32-codecs
[11:43] <arkaitz> ok
[11:43] <stdin> c1|freaky: you can always get the cvs version and compile it
[11:43] <arkaitz> someone told me to install automatix, what is it?
[11:44] <arkaitz> I heard that its a crappy application that meshes up the whole system
[11:44] <arkaitz> messes*
[11:44] <stdin> arkaitz: don't, it's evil
[11:44] <stdin> !automatix
[11:44] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:44] <arkaitz> hahahahaha ok
[11:44] <arkaitz> thats what I heard
[11:44] <arkaitz> :P
[11:45] <vain> heLLo
[11:46] <vain> does anyone know a web page where i can download songs in .ogg
[11:46] <vain> ?
[11:46] <vain> :] 
[11:46] <mrigns> ogg is a container
[11:46] <stdin> if only I did
[11:46] <mrigns> not a codec
[11:46] <stdin> ogg/vorbis
[11:46] <vain> i need something
[11:47] <vain> since i can't play music in mp3
[11:47] <yaccin> vain jamendo
[11:47] <yaccin> you can ^^
[11:47] <vain> no i can't
[11:47] <vain> :D
[11:47] <yaccin> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[11:47] <vain> done that :D
[11:47] <stdin> can't? or won't?
[11:47] <mrigns> !mp3 | vain
[11:47] <ubotu> vain: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:47] <vain> ^
[11:47] <yaccin> vain: restartet amarok?
[11:47] <chemicalvamp> i deleted the partition /dev/hda2 but there is still /media/hda2 (its just a folder, and i cant delete it
[11:47] <yaccin> i mean not only close it to the tray
[11:47] <vain> restarted?
[11:48] <yaccin> only amarok
[11:48] <mrigns> chemicalvamp: sudo rm -dfr /media/hda2
[11:48] <yaccin> or whatever player you use
[11:48] <vain> amaroK
[11:48] <arkaitz> yaccin: where can I download the w32-codecs from?
[11:48] <vain> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:48] <chemicalvamp> tyvm mrigns
[11:49] <vain> thats what i get after get libxine...
[11:49] <mrigns> http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/
[11:49] <yaccin> multiverse repository
[11:49] <vain> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[11:49] <yaccin> !multiverse
[11:49] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:49] <stdin> !w32codecs
[11:49] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[11:49] <chemicalvamp> now, my last problem (i swear) my settngs arent being saved (manual wireless internet configuration, saved passwords for kopete) is this a bug? i use fully upgraded edgy
[11:50] <arkaitz> thx
[11:50] <chemicalvamp> all my settings reset whenever i reboot
[11:50] <mrigns> chemicalvamp: sound like a bug
[11:51] <chemicalvamp> is there a way i can re-upgrade to maybe fix it?
[11:51] <chemicalvamp> there where some errors while adept auto updated
[11:51] <yaccin> my network settings are reset after reboot :/ (feisty)
[11:51] <chemicalvamp> that sucks.. me too
[11:52] <chemicalvamp> wireless conection tool doesnt work, so i have to manually enter everything
[11:53] <stdin> yaccin: use apt-get or aptitude to do the upgrade, it will at least give more errors
[11:54] <stdin> *more meaningful errors
[11:55] <samir85> Hey guys, I I've issues getting my usb drive to work. Could somebody help me out ? That's my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=396667
[11:56] <yaccin> o.O whats command-not-found? o.O
[11:56] <stdin> yaccin: it tells you what package a command is in, if it's not installed
[11:57] <yaccin> ah
[11:57] <yaccin> thx :)
[11:57] <stdin> !info command-not-found
[11:57] <ubotu> command-not-found: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0 (edgy), package size 4 kB, installed size 92 kB
[12:02] <vain> ok
[12:02] <vain> let's help vain now,ok ?
[12:03] <vain> i'm havoig trouble getting amaroK play mp3s
[12:03] <vain> done that
[12:03] <vain> sudo aptitude instal libcine extracodecs
[12:03] <stdin> and you installed libxine-extracodecs ?
[12:03] <vain> ^
[12:04] <vain> give me the right code
[12:04] <vain> i'll show you the error
[12:04] <stdin> vain: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:05] <vain> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:05] <vain> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:05] <vain> is only available from another source
[12:05] <vain> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[12:05] <vain> that's what i get :D
[12:06] <stdin> vain: enable multiverse
[12:06] <vain> yeah,if only i knew how :S
[12:06] <stdin> !repo | vain
[12:06] <ubotu> vain: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:06] <stdin> vain: follow that link
[12:06] <vain> thx m8
[12:07] <lewix> who got beryl installed on an ati radeon xpress 200M
[12:11] <coty> wow how do you get the ubuntu ultimate gamers edition
[12:11] <beta> !tv
[12:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:11] <beta> !tv-card
[12:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv-card - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <waylandbill> !mp3
[12:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:15] <beta> how do i install a tv card? am i just supposed to plug it in and let hotplug do its thing?
[12:16] <vain> stdin: ithink i enabled em
[12:17] <stdin> vain: did you click the "fetch updates" button after?
[12:17] <vain> yes
[12:17] <beta> uhm, or where could i find a manual about it for edgy
[12:18] <stdin> vain: search for "libxine-extracodecs" in adept
[12:19] <shinobi> beta is that a usb card or pci?
[12:19] <vain> stdin: got one-not installed
[12:20] <beta> shinobi: pci and its a bt878 or bt848 chipset...so it should work
[12:20] <beta> bought it ages ago but never used it...but i thought it might be fun plaing around with it a bit under kubuntu
[12:21] <shinobi> beta, oh okay, i have a camtel usb and have never got it going
[12:21] <vain> stdin: i downloaded it
[12:21] <stdin> vain: when it's installed, restart amarok and it should just work
[12:22] <dennis_> yesterday and today i have problems when i want to dist upgrade, it always wants to remove openoffice packages...is there anyone who has the same problem?
[12:22] <beta> i see hm, i bought me hardware to work with linux...but i have never used a tv card...and i cant find a manual for kubuntu
[12:22] <stdin> dennis_: what version of kubuntu ?
[12:22] <dennis_> kubuntu feisty fawn, beta
[12:23] <stdin> dennis_: join #ubuntu+1 I'll help in there
[12:23] <beta> i know it can be tricky even under windows in terms of interrupts
[12:23] <beta> hm
[12:23] <dennis_> k, tnx
[12:23] <vain> stdin: how do i restart amarok.it's closed atm.
[12:23] <stdin> vain: oh. then you don't need to :p
[12:24] <vain> stdin: yeah,thought so :D
[12:27] <vain> stdin: thx m8.it worked
[12:27] <beta> how does linux handles inerrupts?
[12:27] <vain> thx a lot
[12:27] <vain> :)
[12:27] <coty> great
[12:27] <coty> every time i run burly manager my computers task bar disappears
[12:28] <ubuntu> how do i check what version of kubuntu i have installed?
[12:28] <coty> Did you get it throught the ship it serves
[12:28] <coty> or did you burn it
[12:28] <beta> if installing a pci device on windows i go through the mainboard manual searching for the slot that has a free interrupt is possible intaslling the card there
[12:29] <ubuntu> burned it.. i am not sure if this is edgy or dapper
[12:29] <coty> is it 6.06 or 3.10
[12:29] <beta> then i check in the system manager to see if there are any iterrupt conflicts
[12:29] <stdin> !version | ubuntu
[12:29] <ubotu> ubuntu: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[12:29] <coty> stdin: i need help
[12:29] <ubuntu> its feisty
[12:29] <ubuntu> ty let me try that
[12:29] <coty> stdin: beryl is installed just acting weird
[12:30] <ghetek> guys, how do i copy everythign in my current directory to the directory right before it? is it "cp * ../"?
[12:30] <coty> stdin: can you help me with this problem
[12:30] <beta> i googled for interrupts a bit but i cant find anything profound.....i suppose interrupt  sharing simply doenst cause problems as it does on windows?
[12:30] <stdin> coty: what version of KDE do you have ?
[12:30] <coty> 6.06
[12:31] <Ionius> wah, KDE 6.06 has been released?
[12:31] <coty> yea
[12:31] <Ionius> Nice, i'll download it
[12:31] <coty> theres 7.04 now
[12:31] <waylandbill> dapper... 3.5.4 i what it had
[12:31] <waylandbill> I think
[12:31] <c1|freaky> he is talking about ubuntu releases not kde
[12:31] <c1|freaky> ^^
[12:31] <Ionius> ;)
[12:31] <coty> what is the command to restart
[12:32] <c1|freaky> shutdown -r now
[12:32] <ubuntu> i keep getting a error whenever i try and install linux from a cd or dvd..  it starts to load then it stops
[12:32] <coty> k
[12:32] <waylandbill> command is 'reboot'
[12:32] <stdin> coty: beryl doesn't work so well on dapper now
[12:32] <Ionius> hey, is there any way to install conky from binaries, but with audicious support?
[12:32] <waylandbill> coty: don't worry. it doesn't work well on edgy or feisty either. ;)
[12:33] <waylandbill> it has come a long way in a short time though
[12:33] <waylandbill> ubuntu: does it give an error? does it hang? panic?
[12:34] <beta> hm any help?
[12:34] <ubuntu> its a error of some kind i'd  have to relog again to see the exact name of the error
[12:35] <ubuntu> but its trying to load something. and it says like premission denied
[12:35] <ubuntu> and it tries to bypass it a few times
[12:35] <ubuntu> then it says failed
[12:35] <ubuntu> and it just gives up after that
[12:35] <waylandbill> ubuntu: yeah. it'd be helpful to know exactly what that is
[12:36] <ubuntu> ok i will be back in a few minutes have to relog to see the error. then relog again to get back on here.. brb
[12:37] <Ionius> hey, how can I set the environment vars in pkg-config?
[12:38] <mehdi_> #kubuntu-fr
[12:39] <stiala> hi! I'm sorry, but I'm new to kubuntu, really like it though... However, I have a tarball downloaded that I would really like to install... can someone please tell me how to do it...??
[12:39] <stdin> Ionius: what do you mean?
[12:39] <Ionius> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13077/plain/
[12:39] <stdin> stiala: depends what it's a tarball of
[12:39] <Ionius> that is the part of conky ./configure --enable-audacious script
[12:40] <stiala> stdin: a program
[12:40] <Ionius> audacious have been installed from ubuntu repository with adept
[12:40] <stdin> Ionius: you probably need the dev package
[12:40] <Ionius> the dev package of what? of audacious?
[12:41] <stdin> Ionius: yeah, audacious-dev
[12:41] <Ionius> oh, thanks ^^
[12:41] <stdin> stiala: is it binary, or source? and what program is it?
[12:41] <Ionius> if it is tarball.. maybe it is source?:)
[12:42] <Ionius> daah! *music detection audacious: yes* thanks a lot :)
[12:42] <stdin> :)
[12:43] <adrian__> hey im new and i need a flash-plug in can someone help me?^^
[12:43] <stdin> !flash | adrian__
[12:43] <ubotu> adrian__: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:43] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[12:44] <adrian__> !flash
[12:44] <stdin> !backports
[12:44] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[12:44] <stiala> stdin: magic-project-0.93.48.0-bin.tar.gz
[12:44] <stdin> stiala: and that is?
[12:44] <stiala> a game i think
[12:44] <stdin> adrian__: read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[12:45] <stdin> stiala: open it with ark and extract it
[12:46] <Ionius> arrrgh.. conky won't compile ><
[12:46] <stiala> stdin:done
[12:47] <stdin> Ionius: configure error, or make error?
[12:47] <Ionius> make error
[12:47] <stdin> those are tough to figure out
[12:47] <Ionius> yep. =\
[12:47] <ubuntu> ok i found out the error i was getting when trying to load a kubuntu or ubuntu start or install cd/dvd
[12:48] <maldoror> does anyone know, if it is allowed to use an _unpartitioned_ disk like /dev/sdb to store data or do I risk datacorruption?
[12:48] <Ionius> but there is nothing.. some gcc code, then 'leaving directory', after 'make install' and 'conky' nothing happens.
[12:48] <ubuntu> bin/sh : can't access tty; job control turned off
[12:48] <stdin> Ionius: there is #conky
[12:48] <Ionius> oh.. thanks)
[12:49] <ubuntu> then it says (initramfs) [88.722804]  ata1.01: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=ox4)
[12:49] <ubuntu> then it goes down the list with 3 more of those kind of errors. and then it says failed to reset and that its giving up
[12:50] <ubuntu> any idea whats wrong?
[12:52] <ubuntu> did anyone see what i typed?
[12:54] <ubuntu> =/
[12:56] <sonoftheclayr> my upgrade to feisty was a success, everything works great except my wireless card
[12:56] <beta> is there any way to lookup which IRQs are assigned and which are free?
[12:57] <dhq> (kiba-dock:19170): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_icon_info_get_filename: assertion `icon_info != NULL' failed
[12:57] <dhq> fdoving: ^^
[12:57] <stdin> beta: take a look in /proc/irq/
[12:59] <Vandal22> was anyone able to check out my problem?
[01:00] <beta> stdin: a lot of subfolders..what does it tell me?
[01:00] <stdin> beta: those ate the IRQs in use, and by what
[01:01] <beta> stdin: there are folders with numbers above 24....actually 169 an such what are they?
[01:02] <beta> there can only be 24 IRQs i tought
[01:02] <stdin> beta: don't know, I only have 15
[01:02] <beta> or was it 16?
[01:02] <beta> ;)
[01:05] <beta> hell... i just put the card in
[01:05] <beta> lets see what happens
[01:05] <anmol> Guys i am using feisty and am experiencing a lot of trouble as konqueror is crashing repeatedly and dont know what to do. :(
[01:07] <anmol> in kde crash ahndler i am getting this "(no debugging symbols found)"
[01:07] <vlt|l> Hello. Does anyone know how to tell `scanimage` to access a remote saned? Can't find anything about it in the manpage.
[01:08] <anmol> And also this happens only when i use konquror with web browser profile.
[01:09] <chaka> hello all
[01:10] <chaka> will need some help to let my Wlan card prism2 to run with WPA
[01:11] <ubuntu> arkadalar  trke yardm aryorum
[01:11] <chaka> any help for me wit that prob
[01:12] <strog_> what does su-to-root mean?
[01:12] <strog_> cause im trying to use kvpnc
[01:12] <Godet> ubuntu =)
[01:12] <Godet> sorunun nedir
[01:12] <chaka> will try now the hostap driver an will be back
[01:13] <c1|freaky> strog_: su means switch user ... means u change to another user in su-to-root to user root ;D
[01:13] <strog_> k
[01:14] <strog_> the roblem is that i entered the password  i get the following message
[01:14] <strog_> command not found
[01:14] <strog_> it goes with the following sequence
[01:14] <strog_> su-to-root -X -c /usr/bin/kvpnc
[01:15] <ubuntu> selam sorunuma yardmc olursan sevinirim
[01:15] <mrigns> use sudo or sudo su
[01:15] <Godet> bende pek tecrubeli saylmam, elimden geldigince yardm etmeye calsrm
[01:15] <strog_> i dont work on the console
[01:16] <strog_> went to kvpnc
[01:16] <ubuntu> sorunum u anda pcde pardus ubuntu kurulu ama kubuntuyuda kurmak istiyorumm
[01:16] <vlt|l> "scanimage --device-name" tells scanimage which device to use. Do I have to prepend something like "10.0.0.1://" to it?
[01:16] <ubuntu> ama bana msade etmiyor
[01:16] <ubuntu> ne yapabilirim
[01:16] <Godet> kubuntu ile ubuntu arasnda bildigim kadaryla bir fark yok
[01:16] <Godet> kubuntu, ubuntu nun kde versiyonu sadece
[01:16] <raidmax> sup im new to kubuntu just need a bit of help
[01:16] <Godet> nenden ikisini birden kurmak istiyorsun ?
[01:16] <Godet> bir paket guncellemesi ile ubuntuyu kubuntu gibi kullanabildigini duymustum
[01:17] <Godet> ilgili bir link vereyim istersen arastr
[01:17] <ubuntu> deiiklikler vargibi geldide
[01:17] <ubuntu> o yzden
[01:17] <Vandal22> is this a none english channel?
[01:17] <ubuntu> hdd 8 e blk
[01:17] <raidmax> i speak english
[01:17] <ubuntu> ama yinede olmuyor
[01:17] <Vandal22> could you help me with my technical problems with linux?
[01:17] <ubuntu> nerin nedir
[01:17] <chaka> hehe lol Vandal22
[01:17] <Godet> http://www.ubunturehberi.com/
[01:17] <raidmax> i suck at linux
[01:18] <strog_> raidmax: what do u need?
[01:18] <raidmax> i cant even do basics thats wat i want help with
[01:18] <Vandal22> i am lost =)
[01:18] <Godet> burda ubuntuyu kubuntu yapman icin bir eklenti vard
[01:18] <Godet> simdi bulamadm
[01:18] <Godet> dedigim gibi
[01:18] <Vandal22> i have a very complex problem
[01:18] <Godet> aralarndaki tek fark, kubuntu nun kde olmas
[01:18] <ubuntu>  sla olan blm istiyor
[01:18] <yamal> !tr
[01:18] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[01:18] <Vandal22> i might have to come back at a later time to get it figured out
[01:18] <raidmax> i wanna kno how to run a tag.gz file
[01:18] <ubuntu> ama o blm dolu
[01:18] <Godet> h
[01:18] <ubuntu> gaka ne yapabilirim
[01:18] <Godet> kk dizinin yok
[01:18] <Vandal22> i want to know how to do that as well raidmax
[01:18] <Godet> yeni kk dizini olusturmalsn
[01:18] <strog_> raidmax: i sec
[01:19] <Godet> ama ikisini birden kurman mantksz
[01:19] <raidmax> kk
[01:19] <vlt|l> Prepending saned's ip doesn't work. How to tell scanimage where the saned listens?
[01:19] <ubuntu> olsun sasl oluturabilirim
[01:19] <ubuntu> kk dizinini
[01:19] <Godet> bos alana ihtiyacn var
[01:19] <chaka> what about my prob need some help to run a WLan card Prism2 with WPA
[01:19] <Godet> yeni kurulum yapmak icin
[01:19] <Godet> 5-6 gb kadar
[01:20] <chaka> only run with WEP now
[01:20] <Godet> tpk ubuntuyu kurdugun gibi
[01:20] <raidmax> id love to help u chaka but i suck and linux first hour ever using it
[01:20] <strog_> raidmax: try this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[01:20] <raidmax> kk shot strog
[01:20] <chaka> thy raidmax same like me :)
[01:21] <raidmax> lol kubuntu picked my internet up instantly
[01:21] <chaka> okay will try my best and will read some stuff
[01:21] <ubuntu> olmazsa resim ekio gndereyim
[01:21] <chaka> cu later
[01:21] <h0ax> hi .... is there a theme manager on kubuntu like on ubunutu were i can just select a theme ?
[01:21] <Godet> ne resimi
[01:22] <ubuntu> dediim yerin resmini
[01:22] <Godet> gerek yok
[01:22] <Godet> dedgm gb
[01:22] <Godet> bos br bolumun varm harddskn de
[01:23] <raidmax> cheers strog_ ima have a look at it soon see if i can sus  it out ill let you know
[01:23] <strog_> k
[01:24] <h0ax> anyone  ?
[01:24] <ubuntu> firefox yokmu bundaa
[01:24] <ubuntu> nerde acaba
[01:24] <strog_> hOax: 1 sec
[01:24] <h0ax> ;)
[01:25] <strog_> h0ax: go to system settings->appearance
[01:26] <h0ax> yeh
[01:26] <MinceR> why does aptitude randomly decide to remove a lot of packages?
[01:27] <Godet> i installed kubuntu 6.10 yesterday.. witch packets should i upgrade first ?
[01:27] <strog_> Godet: open the console and type apt-get update
[01:27] <strog_> Godet: and then apt-get upgrade
[01:28] <Godet> Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied
[01:29] <vlt|l> It's `scanimage --device-name net:10.0.0.1:hpaio:/usb/...` in my case. Solved.
[01:29] <h0ax> strog i cant find the theme i downloaded
[01:30] <Godet> strog_: it is 231 mb
[01:30] <strog_> i know
[01:30] <Godet> is it big ?
[01:31] <strog_> if you have a DSL then no problem
[01:31] <ubuntu> godet resimdede grecein gibi  burdan hdb1 blmne kur diyorum ileri dediimdede gidiyor  hdb3 deki  yere kuruyor bunu nasl engellerde hdb1 ,5,7  bunlardan birine kurabilirim http://imaj.at/14734
[01:31] <Godet> but i have only 256 kb connection =)
[01:31] <ubuntu> dierleri dolu
[01:31] <ubuntu> nk
[01:31] <strog_> so no problem
[01:31] <Godet> ok
[01:31] <Godet> i'll do
[01:31] <Godet> thanks
[01:32] <Godet> ubuntu: bakyorum
[01:32] <ubuntu> ok
[01:34] <ubuntu> ileri dedimmi buras geliyor yani ama burda iletim sistemi var zaten http://imaj.at/14735
[01:34] <ubuntu> godet buda ileri dediimde
[01:34] <ubuntu> kyor
[01:35] <lotusleaf> Godet, I download @ 5k/s and I'm using Feisty Beta, no complaints here ;)
[01:35] <stiala> hi... someone who knows how to fix this?? Came up when I tryed to java starter.jar:   Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: starter/jar
[01:36] <Godet> lotusleaf: =)
[01:36] <Godet> i m newbie =)
[01:37] <Godet> ubuntu: sen nereye kurulum yapmak istedigini biliyormusun ?
[01:37] <lotusleaf> Godet, ya? well welcome to the wonderful world of Kubuntu
[01:37] <ubuntu> biliyorum
[01:38] <ubuntu> hdb1 -hdb5 -veya  hdb7 olabilir
[01:38] <Godet> yes, i like.. i'll learn a lot of things =)
[01:38] <Godet> tamam
[01:38] <Godet> hangisini istiyorsan onu sec ?
[01:38] <Godet> ikinci ekranda
[01:39] <Godet> degistirme sansn var onlar
[01:39] <ubuntu> evet
[01:39] <eXistenZ> How can view .doc documents as html?
[01:39] <Godet> istedigin isecip kurulumu baslat ?
[01:39] <ubuntu> nasl
[01:39] <eXistenZ> or convert them :o
[01:39] <ubuntu> olmuyor
[01:39] <ubuntu> kabul etmiyor
[01:39] <LjL> !tr | Godet, ubuntu
[01:39] <ubotu> Godet, ubuntu: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[01:39] <Godet> KIZIYOLAR
[01:39] <Godet> kanal degstrelm =)
[01:40] <Godet> #ubuntu-tr
[01:40] <ubuntu> tamam
[01:40] <LjL>  /join #ubuntu-tr
[01:42] <mayur> hi
[01:42] <mayur> what is the best desktop distribution of linux?
[01:43] <MinceR> what an impatient troll.
[01:55] <[GuS] > Hi people!!
[01:56] <[GuS] > I have a doub that i always asked myselft how to do it... i always use Kubuntu (currently Feisty) and i wonder how to use the default icons set of Ubuntu n my GTK apps, cause they currently use the old Gnome icons
[01:57] <chijin> [GuS] : the icon set you're using, doesn't have icons for your gnome apps. that's why you probably have to find icons for them for yourself
[01:58] <chijin> [GuS] : and i think they're located at /usr/share/icons/ if i'm not mistaken, take a look
[01:58] <[GuS] > yes i know that
[01:58] <[GuS] > but, in Ubuntu they use the Ubuntu default icon set
[01:58] <[GuS] > i  mean, for all the icons inside the app
[01:59] <chijin> ah
[01:59] <chijin> i have no idea how to fix that. what gnome apps are you using?
[01:59] <[GuS] > cause the gnome old icons are really uggly
[01:59] <[GuS] > like Inkscape
[02:00] <chijin> is it better than krita?
[02:00] <[GuS] > mmm is differente indeed... is for vector design
[02:01] <[GuS] > Krita is like Gimp
[02:01] <_pedro> Hi everybody!
[02:01] <[GuS] > just the hole GUI inside one window
[02:01] <_pedro> I have a doubt
[02:02] <_pedro> when I make "sudo aptitude upgrade" to upgrade the availables packages
[02:02] <_pedro> it tries to delete 130 packages
[02:02] <_pedro> that I usually use
[02:02] <thoreauputic> _pedro: you probably installed something that pulled those in automatically
[02:02] <_pedro> That doesn't happen with apt-get
[02:03] <thoreauputic> _pedro: that's right
[02:03] <_pedro> how can I solve it
[02:03] <thoreauputic> _pedro: use apt-get
[02:03] <fuel> _pedro:  use adept
[02:03] <_pedro> ;)
[02:03] <_pedro> my curiosity takes me to discover what is the point
[02:03] <_pedro> I would like to rase it
[02:04] <thoreauputic> _pedro: the idea of aptitude is that it removes dependencies as needed - apt-get does not
[02:04] <thoreauputic> _pedro: sometimes aptitude tries to be too smart :)
[02:04] <_pedro> so you think that apt-get is better than aptitude
[02:05] <thoreauputic> _pedro: no, just different
[02:05] <_pedro> I have readed some articles that recomends to use aptitude
[02:05] <thoreauputic> _pedro: I use aptitude mostly
[02:05] <[GuS] > thoreauputic, error.... today ap-get removes as well
[02:05] <[GuS] > with apt-get autoremove
[02:05] <_pedro> and because of that I use aptitude mostly too
[02:05] <thoreauputic> [GuS] : yes, hut not by default
[02:05] <[GuS] > of course, you must do it
[02:06] <_pedro> But with this problem it won't be able
[02:06] <thoreauputic> [GuS] : there are situations where apt-get is the better choice
[02:06] <_pedro> Since now I cannot use aptitude
[02:06] <thoreauputic> _pedro: it's Ok to use apt-get
[02:06] <_pedro> ok, got it
[02:06] <thoreauputic> _pedro: you can still use aptitude though
[02:06] <_pedro> how?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> _pedro: probably yu have installed some bogus packages ?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> *you
[02:07] <_pedro> If I try it want to remove many packages
[02:07] <_pedro> bogus? sorry, I don't know that word
[02:07] <thoreauputic> _pedro: are you running edgy ?
[02:07] <_pedro> my english is limited
[02:07] <_pedro> yes, I am
[02:08] <thoreauputic> _pedro: do you have extra repositories ? Non ubuntu ones?
[02:08] <_pedro> yes, of course
[02:08] <thoreauputic> _pedro: that is where your problems lie then
[02:08] <lenscape> anyone know if OpenOffice 2.2 will appear as a routine upgrade?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> _pedro: you have some odd dependencies and aptitude wants to fix your system :)
[02:09] <_pedro> Is it good to allow it?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> _pedro: in geberal, using third party repos is not a good idea
[02:09] <thoreauputic> *general
[02:10] <thoreauputic> _pedro: only you can decide, really - it depends what you want and need
[02:10] <_pedro> aj
[02:10] <_pedro> well, I usually think that
[02:10] <_pedro> if something runs right
[02:10] <_pedro> why to fix it?
[02:10] <_pedro> let it as it is
[02:11] <_pedro> thanks anyway
[02:11] <thoreauputic> _pedro: you will have problems if you try to upgrade to Feisty
[02:11] <_pedro> I imagine, but I will see what I do in that moment
[02:12] <_pedro> feisty is still beta, isnt't it?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> _pedro: it might be best to do a clean install when you decide to move to Feisty
[02:12] <_pedro> I think so
[02:12] <thoreauputic> _pedro: because you have messed up your package manager a bit :)
[02:12] <_pedro> I have this Ubuntu since 5.04
[02:12] <_pedro> it was a time ago...
[02:13] <thoreauputic> indeed
[02:13] <_pedro> what was the name of that version?
[02:13] <_pedro> before edgy was dapper
[02:13] <_pedro> and before dapper...
[02:13] <thoreauputic> I started with 4.10 - 5.04 was Hoary
[02:13] <_pedro> that's it
[02:13] <_pedro> hoary
[02:13] <_pedro> I started with hoary
[02:13] <thoreauputic> 5.10 - Breezy
[02:14] <_pedro> yes
[02:15] <_pedro> ok guys
[02:15] <_pedro> I am going to eat something
[02:15] <coty> hey i downloaded a rar file that has an encryption but when i go to open it it just gives an error and does not let me put in the code
[02:15] <_pedro> thanks very much
[02:15] <_pedro> see you later
[02:16] <eilker> !ssi
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ssi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <coty> !info ssi
[02:16] <ubotu> Package ssi does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[02:16] <eilker> !SSI > eilker
[02:19] <Odisseo> Hi all
[02:19] <coty> hello
[02:19] <coty> echo hello
[02:19] <Odisseo> Can I ask you some question about Kubuntu?
[02:19] <coty> fire away
[02:20] <coty> i only know a little
[02:20] <Odisseo> My problem is that when I start up it requires a lot of time
[02:20] <coty> live cd?
[02:20] <Odisseo> I tried to speed it up using some information in the wiki but
[02:20] <Odisseo> it takes a lot fo time in performing file system check every time
[02:20] <Odisseo> how can I disable it
[02:20] <Odisseo> ?
[02:20] <coty> are you on live cd
[02:21] <Odisseo> no...installed on hd
[02:21] <coty> or is it installed
[02:21] <coty> ok
[02:21] <coty> so is it your internet that is slow
[02:21] <coty> im not sure i get what your saying
[02:21] <Odisseo> I am saying that during the start up of Kubuntu
[02:21] <coty> oh
[02:21] <Odisseo> it remains a lot of time with the screen related to the file system check
[02:22] <coty> i see
[02:22] <Odisseo> it is required that it performs it every time? Or can I disable it?
[02:22] <coty> I'm not to sure
[02:22] <coty> i never had that problem
[02:23] <coty> some good people to ask are intelikey , daskreech , and admiral_chicago
[02:23] <h0ax_> is there a program that gets up a cpu usage and ram usage panel on desktop ?
[02:23] <Odisseo> ok..thank you coty
[02:23] <coty> yea
[02:24] <coty> i hope to be more of a help one day
[02:24] <Odisseo> :)
[02:24] <coty> i just need to keep learning more about linux
[02:24] <Odisseo> me too
[02:24] <coty> Its not easy XD
[02:27] <h0ax_> is there a program that gets up a cpu usage and ram usage panel on desktop ?
[02:31] <kraut> moin
[02:32] <coty> what command do i use to see my processes
[02:32] <LjL> ps
[02:32] <LjL> ps aux, most likely
[02:33] <coty> are you talking to me LjL
[02:33] <LjL> yes
[02:33] <h0ax_> like a graphical display on the desktop
[02:33] <coty> wree do i put that in
[02:33] <coty> were
[02:33] <LjL> h0ax_, there are a few
[02:33] <h0ax_> good ones ?
[02:33] <LjL> coty: uh... you asked for a command, so in a terminal of course
[02:34] <LjL> coty: if you want graphical, just hit Ctrl+Esc
[02:34] <coty> yeah that is what i want
[02:34] <LjL> h0ax_: yeah that's the problem, i haven't really tried them. SuperKaramba is well known for KDE, but i think it's probably quite a resource hog
[02:34] <h0ax_> tar
[02:35] <LjL> then there's a lightweight, DE-independent one whose name escapes me right now
[02:37] <m_tadeu> is there an openoffice expert around?
[02:45] <dennis_> what is the command to see what source, or wireless adapter, you are using on your pc
[02:46] <cntb> pls howto change hostname from command line
[02:50] <joaha> dennis_: Try lspci | grep -i network
[02:51] <cntb> pls howto change hostname from command line
[02:51] <LjL> !hostname
[02:51] <ubotu> Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts . WARNING! Make sure that your current hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly. Alternatively, use the gui at system>administration>networking on the "General" tab
[02:53] <eilker> !dd
[02:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:53] <eilker> is dd command for back-up ?
[02:53] <eilker> solve
[02:53] <eilker> d
[02:54] <LjL> dd is to copy from one device to another, mostly
[02:54] <LjL> so yes, it can be used to take a raw backup of a partition, for instance
[02:54] <dennis_> tnx joaha, it works, i also have to define the 'type' of my wireless adaptor, eg madwifi_ag, how can i see this
[02:54] <LjL> !backup
[02:54] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[02:54] <Ash-Fox> Openoffice
[02:54] <Ash-Fox> !Openoffice
[02:54] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[02:54] <eilker> thanx ljl
[02:55] <Ash-Fox> Wow... Definately not the information I was looking for. ubotu, you have failed me :(
[02:55] <eilker> !sbackup > eilker
[02:55] <rudlavibizon> quick help please: how do i switch desktops with keyboard?
[02:56] <rudlavibizon> tce:elite jammed my mouse ;)
[02:56] <rudlavibizon> analogue of ctrl-alt-left/right in gnome
[02:57] <rudlavibizon> anyone?
[03:00] <h0ax__> hey ... i got this when trying to install superkaramba configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[03:04] <joaha> rudlavibizon: Ctrl-F<number> switches to that desktop
[03:05] <rudlavibizon> yes, thanks guys!
[03:05] <rudlavibizon> :)
[03:07] <cntb> how do I change username from command line - only one user on system
[03:09] <Cebulon> hi, is it a known bug ? Kopete crashes when trying to change the preferences (feisty)
[03:10] <Cebulon> it crashes X, back to login screen
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: dont think so.  i dont get that.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: you running skim or something?
[03:11] <coty> hey how can i make it were my second hd is a vertail drive
[03:12] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: no skim running
[03:13] <coty> or what is a good daemon tool
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: tried removing the config files out of the way?  no one else has reported that for a couple of releases.
[03:14] <eilker> is plesk panel only for linux ?
[03:15] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: I cleaned ot the homedir, no luck. it crashes as sonn as i hit the Preferences Menue entry
[03:15] <eilker> !webmin
[03:15] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. Please avoid using it.
[03:16] <eilker> !plesk
[03:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plesk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: and ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete and /.kde/share/config/kopete* ?
[03:16] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: could the reason be the NVIDIA driver from NVIDIA
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: dunno.  that can screw with anything
[03:17] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: i deleted the whole homedir
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: thta doesnt necessarily include the hidden files
[03:18] <Hobbsee> (and you didnt do that while you were logged into kde, did you?)
[03:18] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: LEt me try real quick, I will be back, if KDE crashes on me again
[03:18] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: i deleted when i was logged out as root
[03:18] <matrix> hi i just discovered that i can active, deactive external displays, change ther resolution etc on the fly fith nvidia-settings now
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:19] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: Ill try the driver thing real quick ....
[03:19] <matrix> i have just one minor problem it doesn't offer me the native resolution 1440x900 of my external screen so the picture is not sharp
[03:19] <chijin> that's a major problem!
[03:19] <Hobbsee> !resolution | matrix
[03:19] <ubotu> matrix: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:20] <matrix> Hobbsee: i am somewhat looking for the place where nvidia-settings is getting the list of available resolutions from. so i can add my desired one there.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> matrix: that'd be xorg.conf, i guess
[03:21] <eilker> after last fm we have http://lasttv.net  :D
[03:22] <matrix> Hobbsee: i had a config before for twin head on my both displays in xorg.conf. xorg.conf still has those settings so doesn't look overwritten. of course with this settings i always hat to restart x. which i don't have to do with nvidia-setting (very great!!)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:24] <matrix> perhaps i have to find out why nvidia-settings display a false max resolution for my external display. might be some problem with detecting display parameters.
[03:28] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: if u re still there, it WAS the NVIDIA driver !
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: heh.  like i say, wouldnt surprise me
[03:28] <jakkass> is anyone having problems with KNetworkManager
[03:28] <Cebulon> i am back to nvidia-glx and it seems to work now
[03:28] <jakkass> it's freezing at 28% on connecting
[03:28] <jakkass> on Feisty
[03:29] <Hobbsee> jakkass: try "sudo killall NetworkManager && sudo Networkmanager" and try again
[03:29] <Lynoure> jakkass: I get that couple of times a day
[03:30] <jakkass> this isn't a couple of times
[03:30] <jakkass> its every time
[03:30] <neha> hi to all
[03:30] <jakkass> KWifiManager works
[03:30] <neha> i need some help
[03:30] <Lynoure> jakkass: with Intel 2200BG and WPA (mostly)
[03:30] <jakkass> I'm on a Ralink
[03:30] <jakkass> rt2500
[03:31] <Lynoure> hmmm, might be then more knetworkmanager specific.
[03:31] <Cebulon> i have one more thing : hotkey-setup is not updating correctly, how can i get rid of that package (i am using synaptic)
[03:32] <Lynoure> jakkass: does kwifimanager deal with WPA?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: remove it like you do any other.  purge it, if you like
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: yes
[03:32] <jakkass> I'm using WEP anyway
[03:32] <Cebulon> synaptic comes back with an (Error in pre-removal scipt ....)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> what's the error?
[03:33] <jakkass> it just stalls
[03:33] <jakkass> at 28%
[03:33] <Cebulon> i cant get rid the normal way, i guess
[03:33] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: thanks, I'll give it a try then
[03:34] <Hobbsee> s
[03:34] <jakkass> I think it could be permissions related
[03:34] <jakkass> as KWifiManager needs kdesu to work
[03:34] <jakkass> whereas KNetworkManager doesn't
[03:34] <Cebulon> jakkass: i had the same prob with ralink2500 and my laptop, it worked whe i configured it in Network-settings, i didnt use kwifi
[03:35] <jakkass> Network settings eh
[03:35] <Cebulon> jakkass: it stalled the same way
[03:35] <jakkass> what command for that
[03:35] <fedor__> does anybody know how to make mountISO work under kubuntu edgy??
[03:36] <WaxyFresh> jakkass: have you considered something stronger then wep?the fbi did a demonstration aboute how wep can be broken easily,tehy did it in 5 mins
[03:36] <Cebulon> jakkass: no command (kde->systemprefs->network-settings
[03:36] <Cebulon> jakkass: wpa didnt work at all with ralink, i spent hours on that
[03:36] <neha> i want to sell kubuntu releases
[03:37] <neha> can anybody tell me how to do that
[03:37] <WaxyFresh> has anyone seen a mac like deskbar that when you run the mouse over it the icons kinda enlarge and jump out?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> neha: you're allowed to under the gpl
[03:37] <WaxyFresh> neheplease dont
[03:37] <Hobbsee> i think
[03:37] <neha> why
[03:37] <neha> waxy
[03:37] <WaxyFresh> so one could theroreticly order kubuntu cd for free then turn around and sell them?
[03:38] <WaxyFresh> cds*
[03:38] <Hobbsee> WaxyFresh: yeah, there's one in the repos.  dont remember what it's called
[03:38] <neha> can anybody tell me exact procedure
[03:38] <Hobbsee> waylandbill: yeah, people do
[03:38] <Hobbsee> neha: that's for you to figure out, hwo you want to sell them.  duh.
[03:38] <WaxyFresh> Hobbsee: damn,but thanks
[03:40] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: is there a different way to delete that package
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: i'd have to see what the prerm says to tell you hwo to fix it.  i can remove it fine, here
[03:41] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: hold on
[03:43] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: it says: E: hotkey-setup: Subprocess pre-removal script replies with Error 1 (translation from german)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: does it say where the prerm script is?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> maybe a few lines up, or below?
[03:44] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: no
[03:44] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: and it keeps staying in the updateable packages
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: try sudo /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup stop && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:46] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: ok, hold on
[03:49] <vajk> hello
[03:49] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: 1st part comes back with a "KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument, failed to set scancode 80 to keycode 256)
[03:49] <vajk> can somebody pls tell me how can I revert the default kubuntu theme ?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> vajk: to...
[03:50] <vajk> I've installed a new themes and the I just can't find the original one
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: right.  kdesu kwrite /var/lib/dpkg/info/hotkey-setup.prerm, delete lines 5-10, then run the dpkg --configure -a again
[03:52] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: ok, pls wait
[03:52] <raffytaffy> is there a way to uninstall open office from buntu without too much chaos?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> raffytaffy: yes, like any other app.  you might have trouble upgrading though
[03:53] <raffytaffy> you mean upgrading distro?
[03:55] <erikja> !gzip >erikja
[03:55] <Hobbsee> raffytaffy: yes
[03:55] <vajk> is there a place to download the default kubuntu theme ?
[03:56] <raffytaffy> Hobbsee: not a problem , i have 2 buntu distros installed...edgy and feisty. i was thinking of removing it on edgy. ..since i have it on feisty..just was wondering about dependencies
[03:56] <Hobbsee> vajk: if you run apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings, it's in one of the folders there
[03:56] <Hobbsee> raffytaffy: ahh.  should only remove kubuntu-desktop
[03:57] <raffytaffy> Hobsee is kubuntu-desktop a very serious dependency in your opinion..like for installing things such as kernels and whatnot?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> raffytaffy: for a stable, non-development release?  no.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> (that you're not going to upgrade_
[03:58] <Hobbsee> raffytaffy: tab completion is your friend, btw
[03:58] <raffytaffy> sounds good to me:D thanks
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> ugh, I think I just figured out why my kdesktop was crashing. KDesktop doesn't seem to like if DPMS is enabled (probably by kde-guidance-power), and DPMS is turned off in monitor&display. Screensaver doesn't lock right either w/o display set to use dpms.
[03:59] <cntb> \o elcuco
[04:00] <elcuco> ?
[04:00] <cntb> you may want to idle in #ubuntu-il elcuco
[04:00] <vain> hello
[04:00] <KDEfanboy> anyone know if there are plans to compile the longstanding crash-fixed svn source into kaffeine's official package ?
[04:00] <vain> does anyone know a good p2p for linux?
[04:01] <raffytaffy> !azureus | vain
[04:01] <ubotu> vain: azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[04:01] <KDEfanboy> vain: kmldonkey
[04:01] <vajk> vain: I use azureus
[04:01] <Hobbsee> KDEfanboy: what's the svn version, and what does it fix?
[04:01] <nicoc> hi ppl
[04:02] <KDEfanboy> Hobbsee: bug that plagued kaffeine for over a year at least (iirc). it's on the front page: http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/
[04:02] <Hobbsee> KDEfanboy: there are 1 there.  oh, i see.  latest xinelib required too.  maybe
[04:03] <harmental> hi all..
[04:03] <KDEfanboy> sounds good. hope so
[04:03] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: hotkey setup removal didnt work
[04:03] <dhq> i need a nice navigator like kiba-dock
[04:03] <harmental> since i've upgraded to beta, Knetworkmanager doesnt remember my wep pass
[04:03] <harmental> any ideas?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: because?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> harmental: are you using kwalletmanager?
[04:04] <harmental> nop
[04:04] <Hobbsee> that's why
[04:04] <harmental> Hobbsee: thx...Shall i install it?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> harmental: yes, and kubuntu-desktop
[04:05] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: it says: E: hotkey-setup: Subprocess pre-removal script replies with Error 2 (translation from german)
[04:06] <harmental> Hobbsee: thx!
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: what's error 2?
[04:06] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: it doesnt say
[04:06] <Hobbsee> mmm...damn
[04:06] <Cebulon> its an error message from synaptic
[04:06] <Hobbsee> what happens if you remove the prerm file out of the way?
[04:06] <vain> thx for the info on the p2p program
[04:08] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: ok this time it worked, its gone !!
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: yay :)
[04:08] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: million thanks
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Cebulon: no problems :)
[04:09] <Cebulon> Hobbsee: cake of beer (german) is yours
[04:09] <Hobbsee> yay!  :D
[04:09] <Hobbsee> iirc
[04:11] <Drgenero> Ready to help a newbie anybody?
[04:11] <Drgenero> I got an easy one...
[04:11] <BluesKaj> anyone with experience using "digital out" on ATI IXP sound..I have PCM enabled but no luck ...works in windows :(  would hate to have reboot everytime...any ideas, suggestions ?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Drgenero: shoot
[04:12] <RealisticDragon> afternoon :)
[04:12] <Drgenero> That "wizard" that runs for every new KDE user to set graphics intensity (look and feel), how do I rerun that?
[04:12] <Drgenero> sets region as well.
[04:12] <vajk> thanks for help guys
[04:12] <vajk> bye
[04:12] <RealisticDragon> you can set region from the system settings panel
[04:13] <SSJ_GZ> Drgenero: Alt+F2; kpersonalizer
[04:13] <Drgenero> I turned up the "eye candy" too much and can't stand all the ear candy.
[04:13] <RealisticDragon> K>system settings>regional aand language
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Drgenero: type kpersonalizer in konsole :)
[04:13] <Drgenero> Exactly.  Thanks guys.
[04:13] <RealisticDragon> anyone know why apt-index-watch would be using 99% CPU in short burts every 2-3 seconds? i have only noticed it on edgy-ppc, it doesnt show up on -x86 or dapper
[04:14] <RealisticDragon> ah, theres a thread on the forums about it :)
[04:15] <hunt[away] > hi
[04:15] <hunt[away] > how to install package?
[04:15] <RealisticDragon> hunt[away] : you can use adept to install packages
[04:16] <RealisticDragon> you can find it on the K menu under add and remove programmes
[04:16] <hunt[away] > hmm...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> !install
[04:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[04:17] <Hobbsee> !adept
[04:17] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hunt[away] : see the bottom link ^
[04:18] <RealisticDragon> hunt[away] : which package are you trying to install?
[04:18] <hunt[away] > okey, thx
[04:18] <hunt[away] > RealisticDragon:: mm, php-mysql?
[04:18] <RealisticDragon> has someone given you a specific package to install? or do you just need new software
[04:18] <RealisticDragon> ahh ok
[04:18] <RealisticDragon> then yep, adept will help
[04:18] <hunt[away] > okey.
[04:18] <hunt[away] > bye
[04:18] <RealisticDragon> you can install mysql and itll grab apache etc
[04:22] <krillin> hi
[04:22] <krillin> new to linux
[04:23] <RealisticDragon> hi krillin, welcome :)
[04:23] <RealisticDragon> what can we help you with?
[04:23] <krillin> nothing really just saying hi
[04:23] <krillin> thanks anyway
[04:24] <RealisticDragon> heh.. hows it working out so far?
[04:24] <BluesKaj> I'll try again
[04:24] <BluesKaj> anyone with experience using "digital out" on ATI IXP sound..I have PCM enabled but no luck ...works in windows :(  would hate to have reboot everytime...any ideas, suggestions ?
[04:25] <krillin> it took a while to connect ive just put this pc together and thought i would give it a go
[04:25] <RealisticDragon> BluesKaj: if no one has that card here at the moment id try asking on launchpad.net (the help system) since there are more people to take a look, or otherwise you might want to try upstream with the ALSA people directly
[04:26] <lupul> can someone tell me pls how to boot in the old style?
[04:26] <lupul> i mean without that kubuntu splash
[04:27] <zamaraeva> hi all
[04:27] <zamaraeva> folks how is familiar with C or C++?
[04:27] <zamaraeva> who is ?
[04:27] <krillin> can someone tell me were i can download a list of irc servers
[04:27] <RealisticDragon> lupul: you can change the boot options to -nosplash but you need to edit the grub files to do so
[04:27] <RealisticDragon> !bootsplash
[04:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:28] <RealisticDragon> !grub
[04:28] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:28] <x_link> Hi
[04:28] <LjL> !usplash
[04:28] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[04:28] <x_link> Is the only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu the WM?
[04:28] <abattoir> lupul: try removing 'splash' and 'quiet' from the kernel option in /boot/grub/menu.lst (for the appropriate kernel entry)
[04:28] <BluesKaj> RealisticDragon, yeah, that's an idea ...installed the new ATi IXP linux drivers ...everything works fine , amarok rocks etc but I'd like to send the digital stream to my TV room where the HT Receiver is located and then it would really ROCK! :)
[04:28] <LjL> yeah, /boot/grub/menu.lst, find "splash", and change it into "nosplash"
[04:28] <cntb> elcuco: gone ?
[04:28] <x_link> Except for GNOME and KDE Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same thing?
[04:28] <zamaraeva> who could help me?
[04:28] <LjL> x_link: yes
[04:28] <x_link> Alright.
[04:28] <RealisticDragon> x_link: yes, ubuntu and kubuntu are the same and you can install any packages from eitther on the same machine
[04:28] <elcuco> cntb: not gone, i am here
[04:28] <zamaraeva> how i can print - % character in C
[04:28] <LjL> x_link: of course, the GNOME/KDE difference is not a small one, since just about *all* user-visible applications are different
[04:29] <RealisticDragon> BluesKaj: i wish they would define sound over ethernet :)
[04:29] <zamaraeva> ?
[04:29] <x_link> RealisticDragon: So they use the same repo as well?
[04:29] <user_> hey can anyone here help me with a laptop ethernet issue?  the forums prove to be ineffective for help
[04:29] <cntb> OK
[04:29] <RealisticDragon> x_link: yes they do
[04:29] <LjL> zamaraeva: printf("%%"), bit offtopic
[04:29] <x_link> Okej
[04:29] <x_link> Thanks alot!
[04:29] <atron> hello
[04:29] <RealisticDragon> if you want to install kubuntu from an ubuntu machine just type apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:29] <atron> i have some troubles
[04:29] <x_link> I'm using Debian Etch right now.
[04:29] <RealisticDragon> ubuntu stable ;)
[04:29] <zamaraeva> LjL: thanx
[04:29] <cntb> !il
[04:29] <ubotu>         :
[04:29] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[04:30] <atron> could some one help me
[04:30] <LjL> !helpme
[04:30] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:30] <elisboa> Hi, I have a Compaq R3000 and would like to know how do I map my external volume keys
[04:30] <RealisticDragon> what with atron? :)
[04:30] <user_> hey can anyone here help me with a laptop ethernet issue?  the forums prove to be ineffective for help
[04:30] <elisboa> Well, I have searched all over kcontrol and couldn't find a place where I could set "volume up", "volume down" and "toggle mute"
[04:30] <cntb> !ask  > atron
[04:30] <RealisticDragon> elisboa: i suspect the best place to look for that is http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[04:31] <elisboa> user_: what is your doubt? Mabye I could help ya
[04:31] <x_link> So I guess if I want to install Kubuntu I should go for 6.10?
[04:31] <atron> i have kubuntu 6.06
[04:31] <elisboa> RealisticDragon: Thank you very much!
[04:31] <atron> i installed amarok
[04:31] <RealisticDragon> sorry elisboa for just redirecting but there is a lot of info there :)
[04:31] <x_link> atron: Okey
[04:31] <atron> but dont have sound
[04:31] <x_link> Is 6.06 better than 6.10?
[04:31] <RealisticDragon> x_link: 6.10 is newer but 6.06 has support for longer
[04:31] <atron> but xmms played mp3 freely
[04:31] <user_> elisboa: sweet,  well essentially, during installation it said no ethernet hardware detected, and i cannot figure out how to install drivers, or modules for the hardware
[04:31] <chijin> 7.04 ftw
[04:31] <RealisticDragon> 7.04 will be released this month
[04:32] <x_link> Okey
[04:32] <x_link> I will install Kubuntu 6.10 then.
[04:32] <elisboa> RealisticDragon: I didn't get mad about it. What I want is the info, no matter if I have to read about it. Actually, I even prefer it be like this, so I can really learn about the subject ;-)
[04:32] <RealisticDragon> you can upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 when its released :)
[04:32] <x_link> Ohh
[04:32] <x_link> Cool
[04:32] <Hobbsee> elisboa: smart :)
[04:32] <x_link> I once tried Kubuntu, but there KDE doesn't look the same as mine.
[04:32] <x_link> Even when it's the same KDE version
[04:32] <RealisticDragon> it has a few tweaks
[04:33] <cntb> atron me working on 6.06 here
[04:33] <elisboa> user_: Ok. Are you in Ubuntu now? When using Debian, I had an issue where my netcard didn't get IP from the DHCP server for the first time. I always had to ask it once more
[04:33] <x_link> I don't like there Control Panel for exmaple, called System Settings or what it is.
[04:33] <cntb> what sound plays and what not
[04:33] <x_link> That's the only thing I don't like.
[04:33] <atron> cntb, ok i installed xine but no working ether
[04:33] <chijin> x_link: you can run kcontrol if you want
[04:33] <x_link> ohh
[04:33] <elisboa> user_: if you are not in Kubuntu now, then I suggest you log in as root (sudo su) and type lspci -v and look for any ethernet device detected
[04:33] <x_link> I will install it now then.
[04:34] <chijin> x_link: it's probably installed. just run it
[04:34] <user_> elisboa: the laptop is the (LG F1-2245A9) and the hardware is the: The onboard ethernet is the: Realtek RTL8168/8111, and The onboard wifi is the: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[04:34] <RealisticDragon> x_link: the 6.10 control panel is better than the 6.06 one, but yeah i prefer plain old kde too :)
[04:34] <elisboa> so, you type lsmod and see if the module for the device wasn't really loaded
[04:34] <chijin> x_link: or do you mean kubuntu :-P
[04:34] <user_> ok i will do that, one moment
[04:34] <cntb> atronany sound at all in system ?
[04:34] <cntb> atron any sound at all in system ?
[04:34] <elisboa> user_: I had an issue with my wireless broadcom. And I know this realtek of yours, which is a gigabit one, is a pretty new hardware
[04:35] <elisboa> Maybe you should try it with edgy, instead of Dapper
[04:35] <atron> alsa and i m listening to xmms very well but i want that amarok will play sound too
[04:35] <elisboa> atron: you have to configure the amarok engine properly
[04:36] <elisboa> if it uses artsd, then set arts properly on kcontrol, to use alsa instead of oss :-)
[04:36] <atron> when i selecting xine engine in amarok i have message xine cant initialized any audio drivers
[04:36] <cruel_dog> hi all, i cant listen to mp3 with kubuntu. how can i enable that?
[04:37] <x_link> chijin: Yes I mean in Kubuntu.
[04:37] <cruel_dog> how to enable mp3 playing in kubuntu?
[04:37] <x_link> I have changed my damn keyboardf 5 times today.
[04:37] <x_link> I got 2 new ones and I really don't know which one to use
[04:37] <x_link> hehe
[04:37] <elisboa> cruel_dog: when you try to play a mp3 file from amarok, it asks if you want to install mp3 support. But if want to get it working by "hands-on", then open up a console, log in as root and type: apt-get install libxine-extracodecs libmad0
[04:37] <x_link> Damn annoying.
[04:37] <x_link> I like them all in different ways.
[04:38] <elisboa> x_link: all have different mappings?
[04:38] <x_link> elisboa: ?
[04:38] <x_link> Mappings? What is that?
[04:38] <cruel_dog> ty man
[04:38] <x_link> But I heard that Debian is faster than Kubuntu, is that true?
[04:38] <elisboa> x_link: you said you have changed your keyb
[04:38] <x_link> Yeah
[04:38] <user_> elisboa: ok so i did that, and sure enough both hardware devices are listed in there.  also the installation is 6.10
[04:38] <cruel_dog> and no, i tryes with amarok, it aint ask me the question.
[04:38] <cntb> can you aplay atron from command line ?
[04:38] <x_link> I got tired of the first one.
[04:38] <elisboa> x_link: depends on what you are comparing it.
[04:38] <cruel_dog> it just says playlist finished.
[04:38] <x_link> elisboa: Kubuntu and Debian Etch.
[04:38] <elisboa> I know of people that have a Pentium IV and use the vanilla kernel, which is a i386 one
[04:39] <atron> cntb, yep
[04:39] <x_link> I heard KDE on Debian Etch is faster than Kubuntu.
[04:39] <elisboa> Didn't install Etch yet, but wanna give a try soon
[04:39] <cntb> can you aplay  wav files (sounds) atron from command line ?
[04:39] <x_link> OKej.
[04:39] <x_link> elisboa: I use Debian Etch right now.
[04:39] <cntb> good
[04:39] <cntb> !mp3
[04:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:39] <elisboa> cntb: yes. You should have some app that would play it. GDM, alsa, sox and other packages have such players
[04:39] <x_link> I have been using GNU/Linux for 7 months, and I have only used Debian Etch. So it's pretty hard to just change distro like that now.
[04:39] <cntb> !mp3 > atron
[04:40] <x_link> That's why I don't know if I really want to change or not.
[04:40] <atron> cntb i can play mp3 fies
[04:40] <elisboa> There is a "play" command that does it, but I can't figure it out now, on which package it is belonged to
[04:40] <cruel_dog> elisboa: there is an error, it tells packet not found
[04:40] <user_> elisboa: ok so i did that, and sure enough both hardware devices are listed in there.  also the installation is 6.10
[04:40] <elisboa> cruel_dog: Really? Oh, but which one of them I told you about?
[04:40] <cruel_dog> apt-get install libxine-extracodecs libmad0
[04:40] <cruel_dog> that
[04:40] <cntb> btw elisboa know where wav samples are on kde ?
[04:41] <x_link> I will be back again when I have installed Kubuntu.
[04:41] <x_link> THanks for the info. guys!
[04:41] <elisboa> cruel_dog: See, I have given you two packages to install, which are: libxine-extracodecs and libmad0. Which one of those your apt didn't find?
[04:41] <elisboa> cruel_dog: Hey, sorry, I forgot to mention: you will have to enable universe and multiverse repositories, if you want these packages installed. Do you know how to do it?
[04:42] <atron> cntb , can we go privite
[04:42] <elisboa> cntb: try searching over /usr/share/sounds ;-)
[04:42] <atron> i,'m newbee too
[04:42] <diana> Can someone explain to me how I can get on undernet using Konversation?  Can I download and assimilate a list of servers from somewhere???
[04:42] <atron> and dont know
[04:42] <elisboa> damn, how do I execute an external shell app from inside konversation?
[04:42] <elisboa> Seems like /exec only calls preset scripts
[04:42] <cruel_dog> elisboa: nope
[04:42] <user_> elisboa: ok so i did that, and sure enough both hardware devices are listed in there.  also the installation is 6.10
[04:42] <elisboa> diana: What is undernet?
[04:43] <diana> It's one of the IRC networks, like EFnet
[04:43] <cruel_dog> elisboa: i tryed the first one, didnt work
[04:43] <elisboa> user_: Well, on the live cdyour hardware is ok, but it doesn't work when you are installing, is it right?
[04:43] <RealisticDragon> they should move the kubuntu channel over to IIP ;)
[04:43] <elisboa> cruel_dog: what did you exactly do and what did you get?
[04:44] <krillin> just love this os my pc is flying along
[04:44] <user_> elisboa: i havent tried out a live cd with it, it is a fresh install from the 6.10 cd.  and the pc i am on now is my desktop, the other is laptop
[04:44] <atron> i didnt find ansewrs in forums
[04:44] <cntb> << aplay /usr/share/sounds/shutdown.wav >> plays OK atron ?
[04:44] <RealisticDragon> krillin: i like sitting on flights and getting 8 hours battery life out of my laptop by running in command line mode ;)
[04:44] <cruel_dog> elisboa: now i am reading the link sent..... doesnt really help :(
[04:44] <krillin> kool
[04:45] <elisboa> user_: As far as I know, 6.10 is a live-cd and the installer, isn't it?
[04:45] <RealisticDragon> 2 batteries is all i need to get yo japan :o
[04:45] <elisboa> cruel_dog: well, you are the one trying to install mp3 support, right?
[04:45] <elisboa> sorry, I got a bit dizzy ;-P
[04:45] <cruel_dog> elisboa: yes
[04:45] <elisboa> cruel_dog: do you know how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:45] <user_> elisboa: ummmmmmmm possibly.  lol, not sure, but i think you are right.  one of the later options, i installed it in text mode in order to create a dualboot
[04:45] <lloyd> crap, my cpu is sticking to my heatsink
[04:46] <cruel_dog> elisboa: nope
[04:46] <lloyd> anyone here ever had that happening?
[04:46] <user_> elisboa: which by the way in windows the hardware works fine, so its not the hardware
[04:46] <krillin> i had a hard time trying to connect thru wifi but sorted it in the end:)
[04:46] <elisboa> user_: try to use your hardware with the live before installing it, then ;-)
[04:46] <elisboa> just to see if it works :-)
[04:46] <RealisticDragon> i hear that wifi works better in feisty
[04:46] <elisboa> cruel_dog: ok. Let me explain you about repositories
[04:46] <RealisticDragon> im getting a new laptop for feisty so ill get to find out ;)
[04:46] <elisboa> RealisticDragon: even ndiswrapper?
[04:47] <elisboa> cruel_dog: can we go private?
[04:47] <RealisticDragon> elisboa: not so much, but the roaming and so in is supposed to bet better (which will work with ndiswrapper too, yes)
[04:47] <lupul> i need some help. how can i resize my partitions without loosing data? because root partition isn/t enaugh anymore
[04:47] <cruel_dog> ekisboa: you can cometo my channel, i have a registered channel
[04:47] <lloyd> the internet suggests to heat it with a hairdryer then remove it or to put it in the freezer
[04:47] <user_> elisboa: what does that solve?  it doesnt allow me to get these modules, and also, it wont have them as the cds are one in the same
[04:47] <lloyd> ;)
[04:47] <atron> cntb no
[04:47] <RealisticDragon> lupul: Take a backup!
[04:47] <cruel_dog> elisboa: you can come to my channel, i have one
[04:47] <elisboa> cruel_dog: so, where is it at?
[04:47] <cruel_dog> elisboa: freenode
[04:47] <Godet> i cant hear any sound
[04:48] <atron> cntb, Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/pop.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
[04:48] <atron> but i didnt hear sound
 but i didnt hear sound
[04:48] <Godet> me too =)
[04:48] <lloyd> i assume it is dead anyway since it wouldnt boot
[04:48] <lupul> no. i mean i want to  resize the data into a smaller one and raise the space in the root partition
[04:48] <elisboa> user_: well, if the live cd works, why would't the installed version do as well? Can't figure out what is really getting wrong
[04:48] <lloyd> cpu came out with no pins bowed or anthing though the lever was still closed
[04:49] <lloyd> what a laod of crap....last intel cpu for me
[04:49] <harmental> Hobbsee: me again...shall i enable kwallet subsystem?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> harmental: yeah.  blank password works
[04:49] <user_> elisboa: no no, i have never tried tohe live cd, but im almost positive it wont work either as it is built with the same stuff as the installer
[04:49] <lupul> my kwallet has alzheimer i believe
[04:49] <Godet> i cant hear sound, somebody help me pls
[04:50] <harmental> Hobbsee: blank pass?
[04:50] <lloyd> the fun part isnt actual that the cpu sticks to the heatsink but that you cant remove it anymore without openening the ziff lever
[04:50] <nicoc> hi
[04:50] <Hobbsee> harmental: for the kwallet password
[04:50] <user_> elisboa: but anyways, when i typed in that command to list the hardwarer, they ARE i dentified, so, how do i get them to work?
[04:50] <nicoc> can anyone help me to install kubuntu edgy on a mac intel??
[04:50] <RealisticDragon> Godet: have you checked the speakers are on and work etc?
[04:50] <lloyd> ihm, nobody here ever experienced something like that?
[04:50] <Godet> yes
[04:50] <RealisticDragon> nicoc: getting my powerbook next month, good luck :) there are some threads on the forum that describe all the wierd oddities
[04:50] <elisboa> user_: when you lsmod, are the modules loaded?
[04:50] <hugeta> im totaly new kubuntu user....how to install gz file
[04:51] <lupul> please someone. how can i make the second partition on the hard drive smaller so that i can make the first bigger? without loosing any data. i'm on edgy
[04:51] <atron> but im hearing sounds from xmms
[04:51] <hugeta> i confuse to run gz file
[04:51] <atron> and playing mp3 files
[04:51] <Godet> RealisticDragon: i hve no problem about speaker and etc.
[04:51] <nicoc> RealisticDragon: hehe thanks, i think that i have to install refit instead of lilo or grub, but i dont know how :(
[04:52] <RealisticDragon> hugeta: unless you cant get it another way dont try to install from .gz files, try using aadept instead if the software is in it (K>add and remove programs)
[04:52] <Godet> RealisticDragon: i can listen to music on the windows, but i cant on the kubuntu
[04:52] <RealisticDragon> nicoc: you need to use boot camp
[04:52] <RealisticDragon> nicoc: there is a howto on the ubuntu wiki I believe
[04:52] <hugeta> thank mr dragoon
[04:52] <user_> elisboa: i typed in that command, but i dont know what im looking for, what should i find?
[04:52] <RealisticDragon> Godet: ok, if you open a terminal can you get any beeps by pressing tab?
[04:52] <nicoc> RealisticDragon: i already have bootcamp and refit, i'll try to search in there.
[04:53] <elisboa> user_: lsmod?
[04:53] <Godet> RealisticDragon: no, icant hear anything
[04:53] <user_> elisboa: yah  tyed that into terminal, what am i looking for in the list that shows up?>
[04:53] <david_> Can anyone help me to activate compiz in kubuntu feisty?
[04:53] <coty> anyone know how to make virtual drive
[04:53] <RealisticDragon> sounds like it hasnt found your sound card at all godet :/ might be more than i can help you with easily from here :(
[04:54] <elisboa> user_: if the modules of your hardware were loaded. In the case, the modules of your ethernet card
[04:54] <RealisticDragon> !compiz
[04:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:54] <coty> !virtualdrive
[04:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualdrive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:54] <elisboa> !wireless
[04:54] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:54] <user_> elisboa: ok, but what am i looking for in the list?  in other words, how do i identify the modules are loaded?
[04:55] <elisboa> !laptop
[04:55] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[04:55] <elisboa> user_: Oh, well, you should read the linux kernel documentation, then.
[04:55] <david_> ubotu: thanks for that but I need info for using feisty. compiz is in the repository.
[04:55] <krillin> can someone recomend a good mp3 player
[04:55] <user_> elisboa: honestly....
[04:55] <cntb> anyone using local apt source. I mean complete mirror ?
[04:55] <RealisticDragon> user_: cat /proc/modules
[04:55] <elisboa> krillin: amarok!
[04:56] <RealisticDragon> user_: or cat /proc/modules | less
[04:56] <krillin> amrock just crashed will try again
[04:56] <RealisticDragon> eek :/ amarock is the best mp3 player i have ever used
[04:56] <elisboa> krillin: you can try audacious, xmms, beep-media-player, mplayer, xine... ?-)
[04:57] <Iced_Tea> amarok is king
[04:57] <elisboa> I love Amarok, but hate when it hangs :-)
[04:57] <RealisticDragon> there is also a rewrite of xmms that makes it play nice with multiple sound sources
[04:57] <RealisticDragon> but i cant remember what its called :( a something
[04:57] <user_> RealisticDragon: hey thanks man, so of this list what am i looking for?
[04:57] <RealisticDragon> audacioucs maybe
[04:58] <RealisticDragon> user_: sorry i wasnt following the rest of the discussion dont know the problem :/
[04:58] <krillin> i will re boot and try again bbiab
[04:58] <RealisticDragon> whats your issue?
[04:58] <atron> cntb, what can it be? xine cant initialize audio drivers?
[04:59] <raffytaffy> i finally got Moblock to work
[04:59] <user_> RealisticDragon: lol.  well the issues is when installing off the 6.10 cd the ethernet hardware could not be detected.  now, i have run the command to list hardware, and sure enough both are there.  so, how do i get them both working? the laptop is the (LG F1-2245A9) and the hardware is the: The onboard ethernet is the: Realtek RTL8168/8111, and The onboard wifi is the: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[05:00] <RealisticDragon> user_: ok, both those bits of hardware are well supported so there will be an answer, just need to find it ;) give me a sec and ill see what i can turn up
[05:01] <RealisticDragon> user_: i assume you tried sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart already?
[05:01] <user_> RealisticDragon: really?  thanks a MILLION!  i havent been able to find anything because the machine is relatively new
[05:01] <david_> is there a feisty channel for kubuntu?
[05:01] <user_> no i havent but i can do that right now
[05:01] <user_> RealisticDragon: no i havent but i can do that right now
[05:02] <RealisticDragon> user_: i was actually looking at wireless cards with that chipset because i know it has drivers :) they are in hp pro laptops
[05:03] <RealisticDragon> once you have tried that can you do "iwconfig" and tell me if your wireless card shows up?
[05:04] <hugeta> where link for download kylix can anybody help me
[05:04] <user_> RealisticDragon: hey, tried that, it says reconfigured devices [ok]    but then tried to get on the net and nope, still not up and running
[05:05] <user_> RealisticDragon: ok ill try that other command
[05:05] <smile> hi everybody
[05:05] <nicoc> RealisticDragon: 'r u there?
[05:05] <user_> RealisticDragon: hey, it says "no wireless extensions"
[05:06] <user_> RealisticDragon: for all: lo, eth0, sit0
[05:06] <smile> how to make my task bar looks like MacOS
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> dunno david_, lets find out :)
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> !feisty
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> does iwconfig show anything?
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> thanks :)
[05:06] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> im up to 88s lag at the moment so not sure how long this will stay connected for :/
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> only just nicoc :)
[05:06] <RealisticDragon> user_: ok, so its not seeing your card at all :o it should be there as eth1
[05:06] <Jucato> smile: please explain
[05:07] <david_> thanks
[05:07] <raffytaffy> the next one will be renegade rooster lol
[05:07] <smile> i want have my task bar looks like the task bar of Mac Os
[05:07] <user_> RealisticDragon: yah, thats the problem.  no networking devices work at the moment, but they are detectable as hardware
[05:07] <RealisticDragon> user_: have you got a hardware on/off switch? apparetly linux sees it as off by default when you boot
[05:07] <RealisticDragon> for the wireless card i mean :)
[05:07] <Jucato> smile: which one? the menu bar at the top?
[05:08] <user_> RealisticDragon: yup i do have that actually
[05:08] <Jucato> smile: or you mean the dock? with zooming icons?
[05:08] <nicoc> RealisticDragon: im taking a look at this guide - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook -
[05:08] <RealisticDragon> nicoc: sounds like the best place to look :)
[05:08] <smile> the menubar
[05:08] <user_> RealisticDragon: and its on, typed same command, same thing
[05:08] <smile> in the bottom
[05:08] <RealisticDragon> rats, was hoping for an easy answer ;)
[05:08] <nicoc> RealisticDragon: but i have mac os x in the partition number 2, i want to keep it.
[05:08] <Jucato> !kxdocker | smile
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kxdocker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <Jucato> bah..
[05:09] <RealisticDragon> nicoc: sorry i havent got mine yet :( no experience with it until next week :)
[05:09] <user_> RealisticDragon: however my main concern is just getting the realtek up and running so i can just update everything and deal with the wifi afterwards
[05:09] <RealisticDragon> ok
[05:09] <smile> Jucato: kxdocker ?
[05:09] <nicoc> RealisticDragon: and there's says that i have to put this - sudo gptsync /dev/sda && sudo sfdisk -c /dev/sda 3 83 - when the install progress is at 50%
[05:09] <Jucato> smile: yeah look for that app... not sure it's in the repositories though, but there's another one like it
[05:09] <nicoc> RealisticDragon: do you know if that will affect mi mac os x partition?
[05:10] <Jucato> !info kooldock | smile
[05:10] <ubotu> smile: kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 521 kB, installed size 964 kB
[05:10] <RealisticDragon> nicoc: way over my head without doing more reading :/ launchpad is the best place to ask (launchpad.net)
[05:10] <Jucato> ah found it!
[05:10] <Jucato> !info kxdocker | smile
[05:10] <ubotu> smile: kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[05:10] <nicoc> RealisticDragon: okok, thanks :)
[05:10] <smile> ubotu: i have Dapper not Edgy
[05:10] <coty> does linux requre being defragmented
[05:10] <RealisticDragon> coty: no
[05:10] <coty> why not
[05:10] <jakkass> when you have large harddrives theres no need even in Windows
[05:10] <Jucato> smile: ubotu is a bot
[05:11] <david_> compiz!
[05:11] <RealisticDragon> user_: checking up on the realtek now... ifconfig shows up eth1 right?
[05:11] <Jucato> !info kxdocker dapper | smile
[05:11] <jack> hi is there a downloadable german dictionary i can use offline in the reps or somewhere else??
[05:11] <ubotu> smile: kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB
[05:11] <coty> But i had to have defragment removale on windows
[05:11] <coty> why would i not need it with linxu
[05:11] <coty> linux
[05:12] <RealisticDragon> coty:  the way linux handles file systems is not the same
[05:12] <RealisticDragon> it runs fsck by itself when it needs to
[05:12] <user_> RealisticDragon: if config pulls up lo
[05:12] <RealisticDragon> no eth1 at all?
[05:12] <coty> oh ok
[05:12] <user_> RealisticDragon: and shows what appears to be networking information
[05:12] <coty> thats alsome
[05:13] <coty> so does anyone know how to make a drive a virtual drive
[05:13] <RealisticDragon> user_: this is not the best answer i know but i cant find much because no one else seems to have had any problems with that chipset :( can i be a real pest and ask you to check off your live cd/install CD? i think you might have a borked install somehow
[05:13] <RealisticDragon> if you cant start it up from the control panel
[05:14] <RealisticDragon> start>system settings>network settings
[05:15] <ksnipa> anyone know where the kde startup file is, (the file that loads all apps when kde boots)
[05:15] <coty> that would be grub
[05:15] <coty> am i right
[05:15] <RealisticDragon> ksnipa: ~/.kde/autostart
[05:15] <Jucato> ksnipa: by default, KDE will save the session at logout and restore that session when you login
[05:15] <RealisticDragon> but any apps you leave open on your desktop automatically restart
[05:15] <user_> RealisticDragon: lol, well actually i just found a similar topic in the forum and says i can enable it from administrator mode somehow????
[05:16] <Jucato> ksnipa: meaning, apps that you leave open when you logout will be reopened.
[05:16] <user_> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=12928.0
[05:16] <RealisticDragon> user_: sounds like its from that start>system settings>network panel :)
[05:16] <Jucato> ksnipa: you can change the behavior in System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager (Edgy) or System Settings -> KDE Components -> Session Manager (Dapper)
[05:16] <PL> cze
[05:16] <Jucato> !autostart | ksnipa
[05:16] <ubotu> ksnipa: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:16] <hugeta> help how to install a program in ubuntu....not from aadept
[05:16] <ksnipa> RealisticDragon & Jucato, ya thanks, no I ran into problem where since I  logged back in opengl got all mucked up (glxinfo throws errors) and I got beryl in my startup so anytime kde boots it just dies at a white screen
[05:17] <RealisticDragon> hugeta: you can use sudo apt-get
[05:17] <PL> jes ktos z polski
[05:17] <RealisticDragon> ksnipa: then you can log into the command line and change the links in the autostart directory
[05:17] <Jucato> !pl | PL
[05:17] <ubotu> PL: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[05:17] <PL> thx
[05:17] <ksnipa> yea, thats what I'm looking to do right now
[05:18] <user_> RealisticDragon: hey i think we are on to something here, where is the administrator mode button at!?
[05:18] <hugeta> what's that....i confuse. ussualy im in windows just a click install button......ehm
[05:18] <RealisticDragon> user_: when you open up the network settings option in the system control panel it has an adminstirator mode button
[05:18] <RealisticDragon> hugeta: may i ask which package you are trying to install?
[05:18] <skittles> has any1 had this problem? turned on pc, everything FROZE like state, had to force quit
[05:18] <RealisticDragon> hugeta: you might need to use a different thing depending on what you want to install
[05:19] <hugeta> firefox setup.exe instead ubuntu disk..
[05:19] <RealisticDragon> ok, theres an easier way to install firefox :)
[05:20] <RealisticDragon> you dont need to use the .exe
[05:20] <vain> hello
[05:20] <RealisticDragon> open up adept (K>add remove programs) then type in firefox
[05:20] <skittles> is there a java paltform, for edgy?
[05:20] <RealisticDragon> once you have done that you can see it says "firefox" and then you just click on it and select install
[05:20] <ksnipa> all right one problem Autostart directory is empty :S
[05:20] <RealisticDragon> that way the application manager will do all the work for you :) and keep it up to date
[05:20] <cruel_dog> hi vain
[05:20] <RealisticDragon> skittles: there are several ways to get java, need anything specific?
[05:21] <Jucato> ksnipa: it might be a saved Session thing then
[05:21] <skittles> platform** sry for the misspell
[05:21] <user_> RealisticDragon: lol, i had to scroll down thats why i didnt see it.  anyways, so i did that, tried to enable the netowrk and it briefly ries to do so, but it is still not available.....
[05:21] <ksnipa> Jucato where would I find the saved session file ?
[05:21] <vain> cruel_dog: hello
[05:21] <RealisticDragon> user_: apologies user_, i think im going to run out of power before i fix it
[05:21] <RealisticDragon> going to change batteries and i will be right back :)
[05:21] <Jucato> ksnipa: ~/.kde/share/config/session/ directory. clear that out
[05:21] <balint> hi, how can i edit the xorg.conf with kate?
[05:21] <balint> i mean that i also can save it too
[05:21] <nicoc> RealisticDragon hey, can you give me the link of that guide again please?
[05:21] <user_> RealisticDragon: lol, sounds good man, going to grab some cereal here as well
[05:21] <RealisticDragon> balint: sudo kate /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[05:22] <vain> hm
[05:22] <RealisticDragon> brb battery change
[05:22] <ksnipa> Jacato, all right got it
[05:22] <hugeta> oh my god its work....thank's bro
[05:22] <Jucato> balint: kdesu kate /etc/apt/xorg.conf
[05:22] <ksnipa> lets give it a whilr
[05:22] <ksnipa> *whirl
[05:22] <balint> not etc???
[05:22] <vain> does anyone know how i can gain acces to my other disk-the one with Windows?
[05:22] <nicoc> !intel
[05:22] <Jucato> balint: er sorry
[05:22] <Jucato> balint: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:22] <nicoc> iintel
[05:22] <nicoc> dasdsa
[05:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:22] <apikoros> vain, you need to mount it.
[05:22] <cruel_dog> try mounting it
[05:22] <hugeta> how is make my laptop connect to win server 2000
[05:22] <cruel_dog> vain: mount if
[05:23] <cruel_dog> it*
[05:23] <nicoc> can anyone give me a link to the ubuntu guide to install ubuntu on a mac intel please??
[05:23] <balint> ok thx . i just forget it cos i wasnt on linux for a while and now the driver is set back to nv instead of nvidia :D
[05:23] <apikoros> can anyone recommend a lightweight, qt-based text editor for kde? mostly i use vi in a terminal window, but sometime in need a GUI and kate is too heavy. simple and fast does it.
[05:23] <Jucato> apikoros: kwrite. it uses the same editor as kate (katepart) but with less features
[05:23] <cruel_dog> apikoros: kate is a good text editor in my opinion
[05:24] <hugeta> how to update all my laptop driver automaticly
[05:24] <apikoros> Jucato: thanks, i'll try it
[05:24] <apikoros> cruel_dog: it's heavy on my system (P4 1.8)
[05:24] <cruel_dog> apikoros ah ok
[05:24] <Jucato> apikoros: I have a 1.5Ghz system... and even when I had just 512MB, Kate was never heavy :)
[05:24] <hugeta> i think i love ubuntu
[05:24] <Jucato> 512MB RAM I mean
[05:24] <vain> apikoros: i get an error when i click 'mount'        cant find  /dev/hdb1 in /etc /fstab
[05:25] <hugeta> anybody can send link site of borland kylix
[05:25] <cruel_dog> vain: try mounting it manually with the command. (if the filesystem is compatible)
[05:26] <vain> cruel_dog: could you please give me that code.I'm a newb!
[05:26] <apikoros> vain, open a command window. first type sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[05:26] <cruel_dog> vain: sorry, i dont remember it
[05:26] <apikoros> then sudo mount -t auto /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows
[05:26] <kristjan_> what are the risks of using "sudo" instead of kdesu for graphical text editors, like kate, etc.?
[05:26] <nicoc> can anyone give me a guide on how to install kubuntu on a macbook intel?
[05:27] <apikoros> kristjan_: no risk, just different interface. kdesu is just graphical, sudo is tty based
[05:27] <apikoros> nicoc: google is your friend
[05:28] <nicoc> apikoros im searching it but i canot find that guide :.
[05:28] <nicoc> :(
[05:28] <apikoros> vain, after that, assuming /dev/hdb1 is in fact your windows partition, you should be able to see it on your disk at /mnt/windows
[05:28] <apikoros> nicoc: i typed "macbook intel ubuntu" into google and got plenty of results
[05:29] <RealisticDragon> gah @ ppc wireless
[05:29] <vain> apikoros: i did it.now i get this error when i try to get in the disc: could not enter folder /mnt/windows
[05:29] <ksnipa> Jucato, still running into the problem with beryl loading up during that session, i deleted all files in my kde/share/config/session folder also
[05:29] <RealisticDragon> 5 seconds to change the battery, 35 to get the network working again ;)
[05:29] <nicoc> yap me too, but there is a ubuntu guide that i canot find
[05:29] <ksnipa> any other ideas as to where it maybe loading?
[05:30] <Jucato> ksnipa: sorry, nope. try asking in #ubuntu-effects or #beryl
[05:30] <apikoros> vain, you have to set permissions for your normal user to access it. try chown yourusername.yourusername /mnt/windows
[05:30] <user_> RealisticDragon: hey just to give you an update, so i changed the  network to dhcp, and it finally accepted, but then tried internet, no luck, then restarted, and everything is the same is before....
[05:30] <ksnipa> join #beryl
[05:30] <kai> wasup people
[05:30] <ksnipa> yea thanks, maybe I should muck around and try to get gl working instead, I think that would also fix things up
[05:30] <apikoros> vain, or chmod a+r /mnt/windows
[05:31] <apikoros> i forget which is the right way to do it
[05:31] <apikoros> errrr sudo chmod a+r /mnt/windows i mean
[05:31] <kai> I have a geforece 5600go on this laptop, is there any way I can get a higher resolution than 1024x768?
[05:31] <user_> RealisticDragon: AGVASKGHWJGIHASDDDDKANV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:31] <apikoros> user_: you think?
[05:31] <user_> RealisticDragon: erm..... it now works..... HAHAHAHAHA
[05:32] <user_> RealisticDragon: TIME TO UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:32] <vain> apikoros: chmod a+r /mnt/windows
[05:32] <apikoros> vain, sudo chmod a+r /mnt/windows
[05:32] <vain> vain@vain-desktop:~$ chmod a+r /mnt/windows
[05:32] <vain> chmod: changing permissions of `/mnt/windows': Read-only file system
[05:32] <kristjan_> kai: open konsole and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:33] <apikoros> but maybe you shouldn't listen to me and have someone tell you how to do it using the graphical interface
[05:33] <lupul> are there any viruses for linux? some say yes some no... and i don't know what to say anymore
[05:34] <kai> then what would I do?
[05:34] <apikoros> lupul, there have been some proof-of-concepts and exploits, but mostly as intellectual exercises rather than any that have actually spread
[05:34] <kristjan_> lupul: viruses on linux are something you shouldn't be worried about
[05:34] <apikoros> yeah, what kristjan_ said
[05:34] <lupul> i'm not
[05:34] <PL> he
[05:35] <kristjan_> lupul: maybe then linux gets more widespread where will be viruses written for it...
[05:35] <lupul> but i'm having argues with some of my firends who say that linux viruses exist.
[05:35] <kristjan_> kai: well, did you run it?
[05:35] <chijin> some do exist, but they don't circulate
[05:35] <Jucato> !virus | lupul
[05:35] <ubotu> lupul: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[05:35] <ceros> i tried the kubuntu feisty desktop cd for ppc on a ps3 and it doesn't work
[05:35] <lupul> ok
[05:35] <kai> Im doin it now
[05:35] <lupul> thanks
[05:35] <lupul> i know there is av soft. i have avg :D
[05:35] <PL> jak jest czat polski
[05:36] <kristjan_> kai: choose "nv"
[05:36] <Jucato> lupul: linux viruses exist only in labs and theoretically can't do harm in the wild. more of "proof of concept" types
[05:36] <Jucato> !pl | PL
[05:36] <ubotu> PL: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[05:36] <kristjan_> kai: what monitor do you got?
[05:36] <kai> kristjan_: I did
[05:36] <kai> Idk, its an alienware
[05:36] <lupul> k thanks
[05:36] <Jucato> lupul: you can rest assured of one thing: Windows viruses will not work on Linux
[05:37] <lupul> i know because here aren't any exe's
[05:37] <chijin> heh one could try running a virus with wine :D
[05:37] <hugeta> how to get mysql,php,phpmyadmin on ubuntu ehm sorry my aadept not work rarely
[05:37] <kai> kristjan_: Its askin me what resolutions i can use, oh thank god.
[05:37] <kai> I think Im close to done
[05:37] <BluesKaj> why wine ...if ya want windows , dual boot
[05:38] <Jucato> lupul: well, there are executable files. but that's not the real reason. there reason is that those Windows viruses were meant to run on Windows systems, which is very, very different from Linux systems. (just take a look at the directory structure). anyway try reading that link given above
[05:38] <apikoros> ok vain try this: sudo umount /mnt/windows
[05:38] <apikoros> then sudo echo "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows auto rw,user,auto 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[05:38] <apikoros> then mount /mnt/windows
[05:38] <vain> permision denied at this 2. cde
[05:38] <vain> *code
[05:39] <apikoros> did you forget the sudo?
[05:39] <kai> kristjan_: now, I can just go in and use the resolutions set
[05:39] <vain> nope
[05:40] <kai> brb
[05:42] <lupul> i read it
[05:42] <kai> kristjan_: are there any other options if I still can't change my resolution?
[05:42] <lupul> more knowledge acumulated thanks
[05:43] <kristjan_> kai: yeah. what's your monitor model?
[05:43] <kai> kri'
[05:43] <kai> kristjan_: Im not sure its an alienware
[05:44] <vain> apikoros: i didn't forget 'sudo'
[05:44] <cntb> vain your windows is on ntfs I guess
[05:44] <vain> aha
[05:45] <kristjan_> kai: I wan't your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf (use pastebin please)
[05:45] <kai> ok
[05:45] <kristjan_> kai: did you restart X btw?
[05:46] <kai> I logged out and logged back in
[05:46] <kristjan_> kai: ahaa! logging out and back in won't restart X
[05:46] <chijin> :-)
[05:46] <kai> go in to console and do it
[05:47] <chijin> ctrl+alt+backspace will restart X
[05:47] <kristjan_> kai: (at least not in k/ubuntu) - log out and choose "restart X in menu somewhere"
[05:47] <kai> ok
[05:47] <kai> kristjan_: brb, will try again
[05:48] <kai> kristjan_: Your tigt, my eyes are bleedin now :)
[05:52] <kristjan_> kai: if you want faster 2d acceleration and if you plan on using 3d acceleration requiring applications - then why not install nvidia-glx package?
[05:54] <kai> kristjan_: becasue I did it 3x time and everytime I had to re-install. it made my montor turn weird colors
[05:55] <kai> kristjan_: if I was to do that, how would I recover if there was a problem?
[05:55] <chijin> you reinstalled kubuntu every time+
[05:55] <chijin> ?
[05:55] <Tobias_> how do I play "teg" adept didnt make me a menu option under "games" :)
[05:56] <kristjan_> kai: use livecd and edit xorg.conf to use nv :) ?
[05:56] <Tobias_> and simply writing "teg" in the console was sadly not what was needed
[05:57] <Tobias_> the full name is "Tenes Empanadas Graciela" and I dont get it
[05:57] <chijin> kristjan_: or even better, he should press ctrl+alt+f1 and do that in the console
[05:57] <kai> kristjan_: So edit the xorg back to defaults is what your saying? how would I install the new package, whats the name of it?
[05:57] <kristjan_> chijin: well, kai has colorful garbage on the screen. I doubt ttys are visible
[05:58] <kristjan_> kai: you got geforce 5200?
[05:58] <kai> no its a gefore 5600go
[05:59] <kai> Its what Alienware puts in their laptops
[05:59] <kai> the go series
[05:59] <kristjan_> kai: you should simply install nvidia-glx package then and then  sudo nvidia-xconfig  in konsole
[06:00] <mlc> hello! xubuntu-rookie says good day
[06:00] <mlc> ;)
[06:00] <kai> iT was weird when I did ir it go this odd color that started from the lower and spread thru my whole screen, I freeked and turned off my computer
[06:00] <kai> Imma try it again, Im kinda scared about it tho
[06:00] <kristjan_> kai: you got your kubuntu cd?
[06:01] <kai> I got the ubuntu one, yes
[06:02] <kai> and I run that command you gave me again
[06:02] <kai> after installing the package?
[06:02] <chijin> yes
[06:02] <kristjan_> kai: yeah
[06:02] <kai> I just installed it
[06:02] <kai> Im doin it right now
[06:03] <chijin> i've had my laptop's screen look like it's burning when x tried to autodetect my screen :D
[06:03] <kristjan_> kai: if you still get garbage, reboot and try booting without "splash" and add vga=normal
[06:05] <kai> kristjan_: how do I boot w/o splash
[06:05] <kai> how do I turn that off?
[06:06] <kristjan_> kai: then grub loads hit escape and choose first boot option. press e; navigate to line that begins with "kernel" and hit e again. now find splash and remove it, also add vga=normal to the line
[06:07] <Contrast> Is it possible to make digiKam NOT make copies of all my pictures, and instead just assign tags and whatnot to the originals?
[06:08] <kristjan_> chijin: oops. looks like garbage screen strike kai again :/
[06:08] <chijin> :-P
[06:10] <hugeta> how to mysql ok bro help
[06:10] <hugeta> i mean  how to get mysql
[06:10] <atidem> hello
[06:10] <hugeta> in adept
[06:11] <coty> should i try ubuntu
[06:11] <coty> just delete kubuntu
[06:12] <c1|freaky> why would u want to?
[06:12] <coty> because i want beryl
[06:12] <c1|freaky> if it isnt working with ubuntu
[06:12] <c1|freaky> it wont work with gnome
[06:12] <c1|freaky> because its not kde related imo
[06:12] <c1|freaky> though, if u want to upgrade to kubuntu
[06:12] <c1|freaky> i mean if u want to switch to ubuntu
[06:13] <c1|freaky> u can still just install ubuntu-desktop
[06:13] <c1|freaky> in addition to kubuntu-desktop
[06:13] <coty> i have
[06:13] <c1|freaky> and u will have both
[06:13] <c1|freaky> installing ubuntu-desktop is the same as running ubuntu only
[06:13] <coty> i've done that
[06:13] <coty> yeah
[06:13] <coty> well
[06:13] <coty> is there anyway i could have it on a diffrent hd
[06:13] <c1|freaky> if it isnt working i dont see any reason why it should be working without having kubuntu-desktop installed
[06:13] <^demon^> jeez nothing works on here... if konversation connected to quakenet-servers i could ask someone there
[06:14] <^demon^> why won't it... can't i be in two networks at the same time?
[06:14] <coty> c1|freaky: is there a way i could boot from slave
[06:14] <coty> c1|freaky: I would like to have it on a diffrent drive
[06:14] <c1|freaky> use grub ...
[06:14] <coty> c1|freaky: how
[06:14] <c1|freaky> i didnt do that since now
[06:15] <c1|freaky> just install ubuntu on the other drive it *should* recognize the kubuntu installation and also add it to the grub it will install
[06:15] <sstchur> what would be a descent player for handling mov files?
[06:15] <coty> c1|freaky: I have done it and it never does anything
[06:15] <c1|freaky> hm, cant help u then
[06:15] <coty> c1|freaky: it just boots into kde
[06:15] <RavenTux> What is the default kernel for the beta version??
[06:16] <c1|freaky> RavenTux: Linux loopy2 2.6.20-13-generic #2 SMP Sun Mar 25 00:21:25 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:16] <RavenTux> c1|freaky: thanks :)
[06:16] <c1|freaky> np
[06:23] <sstchur> why would I get "Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate" when doing apt-get ?
[06:26] <LegolasV> sstchur: feisty or edgy?
[06:27] <sstchur> LegolasV: edgy
[06:27] <dryang> hello
[06:27] <dryang> hmm, if i want to play dixm movies in ubnutu what to do ?
[06:27] <sstchur> LegolasV: looks like I had to change universe to universe multiverse ?
[06:28] <sstchur> that seems to be doing the trick
[06:28] <LegolasV> sstchur: yes it's in multiverse
[06:28] <LegolasV> it's "non-free" ;)
[06:29] <jaysays> Hi, anyone here got a ATI Radeon card working with feisty ?
[06:30] <dryang> hmm, my next question was, how to install ati drivers
[06:30] <dryang> first day on linux.. excuse me ..
[06:31] <kristjan_> kai are you here?
[06:32] <jaysays> heh good luck, I have been following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[06:33] <jaysays> but I have ran into a few problems
[06:35] <sstchur> LegolasV: ok... so what would it mean if I try playing a .mov file, and I hear audio, but see no video?
[06:38] <LegolasV> sstchur: still bad codecs I guess
[06:38] <sstchur> LegolasV: any idea how I troubleshoot that?
[06:41] <LegolasV> sstchur: you could try this: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[06:42] <LegolasV> sstchur: I have to go away now, so I'll just wish you succes, I'll may be back later this day but there are always people  here who can help :)
[06:42] <cntb> how to restore trash icon on desktop 6.10
[06:42] <yurimxpxman> do any of you know what could cause this gray colouring? http://i11.tinypic.com/30l11qp.png
[06:42] <yurimxpxman> cntb: right-click the panel and click Add Applet
[06:44] <sstchur> thanks
[06:44] <slestak> im putting a kubuntu machine together for a family i know.  their first computer in a long time.  any must have apps i should throw on there.  i was thinking googleearth, frozen bubble,
[06:45] <_kai_> kristjan_: It killed my computer
[06:45] <voorhees86> i install kubuntu and my notebook freeze on a black screen after status bar!!!
[06:45] <_kai_> kristjan_: My happy to be back, I didn't think I was goin to be able to save it
[06:47] <slestak> voorhees86: do you know how to edit grub command line, remove quiet and splash dont save it then boot
[06:48] <voorhees86> i do that, and the same thing
[06:48] <voorhees86> happend
[06:49] <slestak> voorhees86: were you able to see boot dmesg output as it booted?
[06:50] <voorhees86> yes, but the black screen happends after it
[06:51] <kai> kristjan_: I will never install that package again
[06:51] <slestak> voorhees86: do you see a console with login, then it disappears to go black?  trying to determine if X is attempting to start
[06:51] <voorhees86> i dont see the login screen
[06:51] <kristjan_> kai: too bad. what happened?
[06:51] <kristjan_> kai: and how did you recover?
[06:52] <voorhees86> i think the problem happends , when x is starting
[06:52] <slestak> voorhees86: has this install ever worked, or is it a new install?
[06:53] <voorhees86> a new, but a have reinstalled too , and no solve the problem
[06:53] <cntb> can I nice an App thru kmenueditor?
[06:53] <kai> I re ran that x-server
[06:54] <slestak> voorhees86:  im not sure man.  after grub starts booting, now long till the black screen starts?  have any other distros eun ok on this machine?
[06:54] <kai> kristjan_: I lucked out, Im tryin to do a school project, I coulnd't afford to re-install
[06:54] <voorhees86> windows works perfect on that machine
[06:55] <cntb> try supergrub
[06:55] <kristjan_> kai: how could you run it if lcd displayed garbage?
[06:55] <slestak> voorhees86: how long after grub starts booting does it take for black screen to come.  does the blue kubuntu splash ever show?
[06:55] <Hrontore> okay, I'm trying to get a binary driver to work for an ati vid card, can any one here help?
[06:56] <voorhees86> no, the balck screen aperar when x is about to start
[06:56] <slestak> voorhees86: ati or nvidia card?
[06:56] <kai> kristjan_: It kept bring me to the console
[06:56] <voorhees86> nvidia
[06:56] <kai> It didn't do what it did last time
[06:57] <kristjan_> kai: so it didn't start x at all?
[06:57] <voorhees86> we can talk on a private message?
[06:57] <bruja8> voorhees86 did you install beryl ?
[06:57] <kai> kristjan_: nope
[06:57] <slestak> voorhees86: sure.  pm me
[06:57] <kristjan_> kai: ok then. at least you got nv driver working...
[06:57] <kai> kristjan_: At first I was getting this error that it couldn't find some frame buffering device
[06:58] <kai> I got a higher res so I co do my development work in netbeans
[06:59] <voorhees86> slestak:im talking to you on pc, and you than awmser me
[07:00] <slestak> voorhees86: im in pm window :)
[07:00] <voorhees86> you see me talking?
[07:01] <slestak> voorhees86: not in pm, i posted last on my window
[07:02] <slestak> voorhees86: im going to part from the pm window, start a fresh one
[07:05] <slestak> i have a desktop machine that will no tcompletely shut off when shutdown is selected.  isnt that an acpi thing?
[07:09] <voorhees86> slestak you have msn?
[07:09] <Ryiel> hey
[07:09] <voorhees86> the pm dosent work
[07:10] <slestak> voorhees86: i see the pm, it works, i was distracted by work
[07:10] <voorhees86> but you dont talk to me
[07:11] <slestak> i only have one room up at a time, i did not see you there, go over to pm
[07:11] <smile> hi everybody .. how can i chat with microfone ?
[07:11] <smile> via kopete or Gaim ?
[07:12] <smile> anyhelp plz ?
[07:13] <voorhees86> lets go to channel abcde
[07:13] <slestak> k
[07:15] <jarn> How do I make scripts use aliases I have set up? I just made a one-line script to run something in wine using an alias (wineda) that opens it on a specific desktop but it gives me command not found... it works fine from the terminal.
[07:16] <user_> hey can someone help me out with setting up a network here very quickly?
[07:17] <user_> well setting up folders i can share on the netowrk anyways.  seems to have changed since 5.10
[07:18] <tux> w00t upgrading to feisty
[07:19] <tux> jarn: just put your script in /usr/bin/
[07:19] <jarn> tux: Okay. But why does it have to be there?
[07:19] <tux> that's where the system starts looking for commands
[07:19] <user_> anyone?
[07:20] <jarn> tux: I already have it in a place that is in the path.
[07:20] <tux> if you're script is called test and you put it in usr/bin you can call on the script by just typing the name instead of the entire path to the scri[t
[07:20] <tux> script
[07:20] <jarn> tux: And putting it in /usr/bin doesn't help, it still produces that error.
[07:20] <myTB|Tanuva> does kde save the actual wallpaper somewhere for itself?
[07:20] <jarn> tux: I know very well what the path is. You don't get what I mean.
[07:20] <myTB|Tanuva> jarn: set it executable?
[07:21] <jarn> tux: My script looks like this "wineda /home/jarn/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Guild\ Wars/Gw.exe". It is called gw. When I run gw, it tells me wineda is not found. wineda is an alias I set up that does "kstart --activate --desktop 5 wine".
[07:21] <smile> how can i have a voice chat in kubuntu ?
[07:22] <tux> hm strange
[07:22] <jarn> myTB|Tanuva: Yes. It's not the script that it can't find, it's the alias in it.
[07:22] <Chousuke> jarn: shell scripts don't necessarily know about aliases
[07:22] <jarn> Chousuke: Is there a way to make it know about aliases?
[07:22] <myTB|Tanuva> but if its a script, why dont you just put the bare command in it without using the alias?
[07:22] <binks> how do i turn off adept_notifier
[07:22] <Chousuke> jarn: you need to define them in the non-interactive shell rc file :/
[07:23] <Chousuke> IIRC for bash that is .bashrc
[07:23] <jarn> Chousuke: I put it in ~/.bashrc - is that what you mean?
[07:23] <tux> jarn: off course you started the script with #!/bin/sh
[07:23] <sstchur> Any multivideo I try to play is coming up just totally blank, but clearly it's trying to play -- any idea why that'd happen?
[07:23] <Chousuke> and /bin/sh is dash, right?
[07:23] <tux> well it runns shellscripts
[07:23] <tux> so it works for me :p
[07:24] <tux> sometimes i forget to put that in and it produces errors
[07:25] <Chousuke> yeah, but using /bin/sh when you want /bin/bash may be the problem here. :)
[07:25] <enrico_> hello :)
[07:25] <jarn> I didn't think I needed either one since it was just running a program, not any fancy scripts.
[07:25] <tux> you can give it a try Chousuke
[07:25] <tux> or jarn
[07:25] <tux> :p
[07:26] <tux> the one asking the question
[07:26] <Chousuke> jarn: well, it matters since dash obviously reads dash configuration, and you've only configured bash :)
[07:26] <Chousuke> anyway
[07:26] <tux> jep so it needs /bin/sh or /bin/bash or something
[07:27] <jarn> Ah... well, neither work. I'll just replace the alias with what it actually does, I suppose.
[07:27] <Chousuke> you could also just replace the alias with the full command
[07:27] <jarn> Yeah.
[07:27] <tux> if it's a script, the script has to go to the entire path, you dont so why bother making a alias
[07:28] <jarn> I use the alias when I run commands myself. I wanted to put it in the script merely for the sake of consistency.
[07:29] <cypher1> is there any plan to backport KDevelop 3.4.0 to edgy-backport ?
[07:29] <Chousuke> jarn: it seems there's no specific configuration file read when bash is started non-interactively
[07:29] <jarn> Chousuke: Ah... Okay, thanks.
[07:30] <Chousuke> unless one is specified in $BASH_ENV
[07:31] <jarn> My swap partition stopped being mounted on boot. I have to manually mount it now with "sudo swapon /dev/hda5". I don't recall when it happened.
[07:33] <cypher1> bug 66637
[07:33] <cypher1> jarn, this may help you Malone bug 66637 in util-linux "After running mkswap, swap space is discarded, system fails to hibernate (invalid swap signature)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66637
[07:34] <AdamKili> I know this is probably a super-noob question, but how do i install and use a KDM theme?
[07:34] <jarn> cypher1: I don't think I ever ran mkswap.
[07:34] <cypher1> jarn, did you upgrade recently ?
[07:34] <cypher1> jarn, i meant a disto upgrade
[07:34] <jarn> cypher1: No.
[07:36] <cypher1> jarn, may be /etc/fstab problem ?
[07:36] <jarn> cypher1: What in it?
[07:36] <cypher1> jarn, maybe a wrong UUID
[07:36] <Gizmo48> QUESTION:  I was in the process of updating some files with adept and it stalled.  I terminated the program, now when I run adept it  comes up read-only (how dod I fix that?)
[07:36] <cypher1> jarn, which version are you on ?
[07:36] <jarn> cypher1: 6.10
[07:37] <jarn> cypher1: Can I replace the UUID with /dev/hda5 like it used to be? Or would that cause problems?
[07:37] <cypher1> jarn, please read bug 66637.. there are lot of info in that
[07:37] <jarn> cypher1: Okay.
[07:37] <cypher1> jarn, yes i think in 6.10 we can replace UUID with /dev/*
[07:39] <jarn> cypher1: Okay.
[07:40] <Plastefuchs> hi, today i installed kubuntu 7.04 beta on a laptop and amarok 1.4.5 locks itself if i try to play an mp3 file.
[07:41] <Deepo> Hi
[07:41] <Deepo> how can I upgrade to feisty in kubuntu
[07:41] <AdamKili> Plastefuchs: do you have the proper packages to play mp3 files in amarok? xine-plugins i think
[07:41] <Deepo> something similar to the update-manager of gnome
[07:41] <elbing> have you installed an mp3 codec for amarok?
[07:42] <Plastefuchs> elbing: not yet, i hear the popup sound for the dialog that let me install it
[07:42] <AdamKili> Plastefuchs: it's xine-extracodecs
[07:42] <Plastefuchs> ah
[07:42] <AdamKili> Plastefuchs: libxine-extracodecs*
[07:43] <AdamKili> sorry
[07:44] <AdamKili> HELP: I know this is super-noob-like, but I can't figure out how to install and use a KDM theme.
[07:44] <Hrontore> okay, I'm trying to get a binary driver to work for an ati vid card, can any one here help?
[07:45] <user_> hey can someone help me with intializing my wireless netowrk card in my laptop?
[07:47] <Deepo> how can I upgrade to feisty in kubuntu ?
[07:50] <AdamKili> user_: the way i got mine working was i checked the system logs for when it detected the wifi card, and it said that a certain firmware file wasn't provided, so i googled the file name and downloaded the firmware, put it in <something>/firmware/ and my wifi worked. I hope it helps
[07:51] <Plastefuchs> AdamKili: Thank You :)
[07:55] <AdamKili> now, can anyone help me install and use a KDM theme? I'm no noob, but i can't figure it out!
[07:57] <balint> hi, can someone tell me a channel, where there are pepople who really know the internet and the network technology?
[07:57] <willie> try #scotlug
[07:59] <willie> balint: sensible  well-structured questions are always welcome in #scotlug
[08:01] <balint> thx
[08:02] <soulrider> hi everyone
[08:02] <tux> still upgrading to feisty
[08:02] <soulrider> everyone seems to be upgrding =./
[08:03] <tux> well it takes long enough
[08:03] <chijin> not if you have a 10mb connection
[08:03] <soulrider> at what speed are you downloading fromt he repos? i cant seem to be able to get past the 20 kb/s
[08:03] <chijin> 1300kB/s
[08:03] <tux> im using a update manage
[08:03] <tux> r
[08:03] <tux> 300kb/s here :(
[08:04] <tux> hm and 231 ms lag in
[08:04] <tux> IRC
[08:04] <Blissex> soulrider: depends on your connection and what mirrors you put in the repo files. I get 5-10MB/s.
[08:04] <waylandbill> I generally get 200-300 at work from them.
[08:08] <soulrider> Blissex: i guess ill change the mirrors then
[08:09] <Blissex> soulrider: you can also get a 1gb/s or a 10gb/s Internet connection.
[08:09] <Blissex> soulrider: more seriously...
[08:10] <tux> 307 k/s
[08:10] <tux> less then a minute left
[08:10] <Blissex> soulrider: there are a couple little utilities that scan a list of mirrors and test ping time and download rates.
[08:10] <Edulix> hi
[08:10] <Edulix> anyone knows how to download a song from goear? =)
[08:11] <Hrontore> YEA,
[08:11] <Hrontore> !!
[08:11] <Hrontore> okay how do i check if direct 3d hardware acceleration is enabled?, and how do i get glxgears to printfps?
[08:12] <tux> glxgear --printfps
[08:12] <Hrontore> :))
[08:12] <chijin> --printfps or -printfps doesn't work in feisty
[08:13] <Hrontore> i get unknown paramiter E when i do glxgears -printfps/glxgears --printfops
[08:13] <Hrontore> fps*
[08:14] <tux> hm
[08:15] <Hrontore> D3D how do i know its working, run a game?
[08:16] <tux> you can just try glxgers
[08:16] <tux> glxgears
[08:16] <tux> cant type
[08:16] <Hrontore> well i see the gears just fine but i want to know the fps
[08:17] <chijin> well then glxgears -printfps does that
[08:17] <Hrontore> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13198/
[08:18] <Hrontore> brb
[08:19] <BoOoM> Hi/Bonjour
[08:20] <BoOoM> i need some help :s
[08:20] <BoOoM> nobody can help me?
[08:20] <rcmayor> help is on vacation. :-)
[08:20] <BoOoM> :(
[08:20] <BoOoM> I jut want to install Gnu make
[08:21] <BoOoM> but i just install linux
[08:21] <BoOoM> and i don't know how to install it
[08:21] <BoOoM> it's not on apt
[08:22] <firecrotch> BoOoM: apt-get build-essential   will install everything you need to compile programs
[08:23] <BoOoM> i don't really understand, i'm french, but i understand the 'pincipe'
[08:23] <ksnipa> So  I upgraded my video card, and I was wondering how would I go abouts updating my settings in the XORG automatically
[08:23] <soulrider> yeah, BoOoM, you might also wanna install checkinstall so you cna buiuld .deb packages. You can install/unintsall those packages really easily
[08:23] <BoOoM> but how to install gnu make?
[08:23] <soulrider> !fr | BoOoM
[08:23] <ubotu> BoOoM: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:23] <BoOoM> thxXx ^^
[08:23] <soulrider> BoOoM: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:28] <BruceLeeds> hey guys, somebody an idea in which format OO.org for the "Mail Merge Wizard" the e-mail-adress-list saves?
[08:29] <assassin> maybe xml?
[08:31] <BruceLeeds> assassin: I have an table in OO-Spreadshead and would like to get this list in the Mail Merge Wizard (more than 80 adresses)
[08:31] <BruceLeeds> assassin: so i would like to get it imported wouldn't like to copy and paste everything in the mail merge wizard
[08:32] <assassin> my oo is not too bright. anything on google?
[08:32] <Ch1ppy> hey, I'm trying to set up vnc to my box via ssh.  Can anyone help me out?  All the howto's etc I could find didn't work.
[08:32] <Ch1ppy> er, sorry, I'm using only a ssh connection, but I'm not trying to tunnel
[08:39] <Ch1ppy> can anyone help me set up a VNC server?
[08:39] <jacquesdupontd> ah me voila
[08:39] <jacquesdupontd> faut que je m'en vais
[08:42] <baktaah> Anyone here
[08:42] <baktaah> ?
[08:42] <Ch1ppy> I am, but not one else seems to be
[08:42] <Ch1ppy> which sucks when you need help
[08:42] <baktaah> I was thinking of going KDE, since  KDE (ur choice) and Gnome (computers choice)
[08:42] <assassin> yep, i'm here
[08:42] <FringeJacket> baktaah I'm here
[08:43] <Ch1ppy> so does anyone know how to set up a VNC server at all?
[08:43] <baktaah> FringeJacket so how is KDE compared to gnome?
[08:43] <FringeJacket> Ch1ppy if we don't respond to a question, usually we don't know... but thats just observation
[08:43] <assassin> i have some offline vnc docs but not with me, sorry
[08:43] <Ash-Fox> It's kind of annoying that a newer OOo isn't provided in backports.
[08:43] <assassin> kde rules. try it!
[08:44] <FringeJacket> baktaah there are alot K's all over, but I like it
[08:44] <baktaah> assassin yeah thats some real heavy argument :)
[08:44] <FringeJacket> I suggest you try it
[08:44] <Ch1ppy> FringeJacket: I know, but I've found man, many times that on these chat rooms, people ignore you, and then when you actually get talking to them, they can help...
[08:44] <baktaah> FringeJacket  I can't try it without removing my fully customed gnome dist atm
[08:44] <baktaah> FringeJacket  can I have a screenshot of urs?
[08:44] <assassin> www.kde.org
[08:44] <Ash-Fox> Ch1ppy, install xvnc, then run 'xvnc -listen'
[08:45] <Ash-Fox> People can connect to your desktop then.
[08:45] <FringeJacket> yeah, mine has my setup and isn't a typical KDE feel (that and I run beryl too)
[08:45] <tux> hello all
[08:45] <Ash-Fox> Hello tux
[08:45] <Ch1ppy> Ash-Fox: xvnc isn't a valid package/program, got a full name?
[08:46] <FringeJacket> Ch1ppy that is true, but some people get annoyed by duplicate questions and get grumpy... just a warning
[08:46] <FringeJacket> hi tux
[08:46] <tux> i got a question, does anyone here have experience with building a linux system from scratch, by command line?
[08:46] <Ch1ppy> FringeJacket: well, yeah, but I have never once gotten help the first time I asked.  ever.  and I've come asking a LOT of questions, so IMO, it's worth getting people annoyed just because I don't get help otherwise
[08:47] <baktaah> IS KDE more or less craving then GNOME?
[08:47] <Ash-Fox> Ch1ppy, I think the package is called 'rfb'
[08:47] <heinkel_112> craving with resepct to user or computer?
[08:47] <assassin> there's a great site on builing linus from scratch - www.linuxfromscratch.org
[08:47] <tux> :p
[08:47] <heinkel_112> baktaah: ^
[08:47] <baktaah> heinkel_112
[08:47] <baktaah> ?
[08:47] <baktaah> computer
[08:47] <Ash-Fox> Why would I want to build a kernel coder from scratch?
[08:48] <baktaah> is it true that KDE is more customable then Gnome?
[08:48] <tux> heinkel_112: i think gnome is more craving IMO for the user
[08:48] <Ash-Fox> I mean, he'd go psycho over one of my desktops running Gnome.
[08:48] <tux> hm i think so baktaah
[08:48] <FringeJacket> baktaah I got it looking exactly how I wanted it
[08:48] <Ch1ppy> Ash-Fox: kay, but that doesn't install "xvnc"...?
[08:48] <baktaah> Because I want to make a fully Max OSX looking Linux dist...... so I was thinking wich one would make it best, Gnome or KDE (Ubuntu or Kubuntu)
[08:48] <FringeJacket> and my friend has a completely different look
[08:48] <evfreshman2025> Is anyone good at ripping CD's to my system to i can put it on my iPod?
[08:48] <Ash-Fox> Ch1ppy, it doesn't?
[08:48] <Ch1ppy> Ash-Fox: nope
[08:49] <evfreshman2025> I cant seem to figure out how to rip them. On Kaffene i encode them, but it wont rip
[08:49] <baktaah> FringeJacket can I see ur desktop a screenshot or so?
[08:49] <Ch1ppy> Ash-Fox: only command I have that starts with xvnc is xvncviewer
[08:49] <heinkel_112> ibaktaah:;  think GNOME is leaner (less craving for computer) , but  I like KDE because it is very like windows and I have to use windows at work....if you need something not very resource demanding, try XFCE as in xubuntu
[08:49] <FringeJacket> baktaah I'll try, but it doesn't always like to load onto imageshack
[08:49] <baktaah> heinkel_112  I tried xfce.. didn't like it
[08:49] <evfreshman2025> Is anyone good at ripping CD's to my system to i can put it on my iPod?
[08:49] <Ash-Fox> Ch1ppy, doh, it's called 'x11vnc'
[08:49] <baktaah> heinkel_112  Actually whats more important
[08:49] <baktaah> is that
[08:49] <Ash-Fox> Ch1ppy, package is called that too.
[08:49] <tux> does anyone have any experience in installing kubuntu command line?
[08:49] <evfreshman2025> Is anyone good at ripping CD's to my system to i can put it on my iPod?
[08:49] <baktaah> I want it to look like Max OSX 10
[08:49] <baktaah> So
[08:50] <heinkel_112> baktaah: go for GNOME
[08:50] <baktaah> Will KDE or Gnome look best and closest to Max OSX 10?
[08:50] <jakkass> KDE
[08:50] <tux> baktaah: use KDE
[08:50] <assassin> evfreshman2025 "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso" copy cd.iso to ur ipod
[08:50] <heinkel_112> it is GNOME
[08:50] <jakkass> KDE defintely
[08:50] <kai> does any one here efficient java programmers?
[08:50] <FringeJacket> KDE
[08:50] <baktaah> lol everyone says everything,
[08:50] <Ash-Fox> baktaah, kde-look.org has OS X style and things.
[08:50] <heinkel_112> jakkass: oiut of the box GNOME is much more like MAcOS
[08:50] <tux> baktaah: make a panel at the bottom, make it less wide, add some transpirancy and you're done
[08:50] <baktaah> tux well I got that as GNOME.
[08:50] <baktaah> however
[08:51] <tux> :p
[08:51] <Ash-Fox> Seriously, stop it with Gnome, this is #Kubuntu, for Kubuntu, which is for KDE
[08:51] <jakkass> heinkel_112:  KDE looks way more like OSX
[08:51] <kai> Any one have any idea how to run a .jar from with in an application
[08:51] <baktaah> Ash-Fox read what I write instead.
[08:52] <Ash-Fox> baktaah, you can get KDE to look exactly like OS X, including the menubar above. No idea about Gnome's capabilities.
[08:52] <assassin> aktaah - do a google search on OSXbar. closest i could got to a mac look
[08:52] <baktaah> Guys could I have some screenshots from ur desktops :) ?
[08:52] <tux> where can i put them
[08:52] <tux> the screenshots
[08:52] <Ash-Fox> No.
[08:53] <Ch1ppy> Ash-Fox: 31/03/2007 11:52:16 failed to create rfb screen.
[08:53] <Ch1ppy> Ash-Fox: :S
[08:53] <Ash-Fox> http://www.kde-look.org/ go hear for snapshots.
[08:53] <Ash-Fox> *here
[08:53] <Ash-Fox> Ch1ppy, uh, let me see
[08:53] <mlc> Is this channel only for updaters?
[08:54] <Ash-Fox> Ch1ppy, try without the paramter, just 'x11vnc'
[08:54] <mlc> hello. anyone?
[08:54] <Ash-Fox> mlc, hello.
[08:55] <mlc> hi ;)
[08:55] <Ch1ppy> Ash-Fox: oh, that worked
[08:55] <mlc> is this only fot people who upgrade to feisty?
[08:55] <FringeJacket> mlc  the channel I know of foe feisty updaters is #ubuntu+1 I believe
[08:55] <mlc> ok, I'm not one of them
[08:55] <Ch1ppy> Ash-Fox: works great now, thanks :P
[08:56] <mlc> but on top of my page stands:Test edgy->feisty upgrade
[08:56] <FringeJacket> mlc I'm on edgy
[08:56] <mlc> ok, right!
[08:56] <giaso> hi all
[08:56] <tux> im on feisty to
[08:56] <tux> just upgraded
[08:56] <mlc> wow! can I ask questions here?
[08:56] <tux> as easy as... well... dell
[08:56] <mlc> cool!!!!
[08:56] <nicoc> hello
[08:56] <tux> hm no its easier
[08:56] <giaso> jut upgraded to feisty too
[08:57] <Ash-Fox> mlc, feisty isn't out yet.
[08:57] <tux> it doesnt break down
[08:57] <mlc> ok
[08:57] <nicoc> can anyone help me?
[08:57] <FringeJacket> mlc just ask away we are the help channel
[08:57] <tux> well the beta
[08:57] <giaso> my Xorg broke
[08:57] <mlc> allright, I think of how to put it
[08:57] <tux> sure nicoc
[08:57] <FringeJacket> nicoc depends on the problem
[08:57] <tux> and mlc
[08:57] <Matt101> hello
[08:57] <mlc> I am unable to download and install .tar.gz-programs
[08:57] <nicoc> i already install kubuntu and when its booting it it says: ""target filesystem does'n have /sbin/init "
[08:57] <tux> FringeJacket: isnt it suposed to be a support channel?
[08:58] <nicoc> and then - '/bin/sh  can't access tty' 'job control turned off' -
[08:58] <mlc> I put them in a directory under <user>
[08:58] <Ash-Fox> mlc, .tar.gz files are the equilivant of a .zip file under windows.
[08:58] <mlc> yes
[08:58] <Ash-Fox> Quite simply, you can't install them, they're not installers.
[08:58] <mlc> ok
[08:58] <nicoc> help? :(
[08:59] <FringeJacket> tux yeah... but not everyone gets an answer, so I add in the disclaimer (sorry... its my work training)
[08:59] <mlc> the instruction says "./configure"
[08:59] <mlc> that works
[08:59] <tux> does one of you have experience in installing from the command line and building a system that way
[08:59] <tmbg> mlc, what are you trying to install?
[08:59] <mlc> ehm
[08:59] <mlc> anything I try to install doesn't work
[09:00] <Ash-Fox> mlc, you should be installing everything through adept.
[09:00] <mlc> lets see\
[09:00] <tmbg> I second Ash-Fox's comment
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> "should be installing everything through adept"
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> what if what you need isn't therE?
[09:00] <tux> ...
[09:00] <mlc> yes, but when I want to install something that's not in adept?
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i rest my case
[09:00] <tux> i've been asking a question for 5 times no
[09:00] <tux> w
[09:00] <Ash-Fox> Daisuke_Ido, doubleclick the .sh file and wait for the loki insaller to finish installing? :)
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and now i have to go get groceries, take care
[09:00] <tmbg> mlc, then you go through the pain in the butt of trying to get code to compile
[09:01] <mlc> yes
[09:01] <cs178> tux: try http://www.linuxfromscratch.org they have some good step by step guides how to do it.
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> Ash-Fox: that's normally not an option, as i don't play games
[09:01] <mlc> tmbg, I try it because the site says 'it's easy'
[09:01] <Ash-Fox> Daisuke_Ido, neither do I
[09:01] <soulrider> tux: you wanna install kubuntu formt he alternate CD ?
[09:01] <tux> off course i want to use a ubuntu CD
[09:01] <tux> yes
[09:01] <soulrider> ok, hold on a sec
[09:01] <tmbg> which site?
[09:01] <nicoc> nobody know how to fix that??
[09:01] <soulrider> theres probably a guide around here
[09:01] <tux> alternate, could find the correct word for that
[09:01] <Ash-Fox> mlc, what program?
[09:01] <tux> true soulrider
[09:01] <mlc> I try to installl anything from i.e. linux-softpedia
[09:02] <Ash-Fox> !softpedia
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about softpedia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <soulrider> !installing
[09:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:02] <soulrider> tux: what was easy! :P
[09:02] <tmbg> mlc, a lot of that stuff is certainly garbage barely portable junk that was only tested on redhat or some nonsense.
[09:02] <tux> Lo
[09:02] <tux> l
[09:02] <nicoc> well thanks anyway
[09:02] <tux> !alternate
[09:02] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[09:03] <briancron> hello
[09:03] <Ash-Fox> mlc, softpedia looks like a review site?
[09:03] <mlc> ok tmbg
[09:03] <soulrider> in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues there are guides for all installations i think
[09:03] <Ash-Fox> mlc, I don't see a program called 'softpedia'.
[09:03] <Azmodan> I got a crash problem with Kopete, it crashes anytime someone accepts to send me a cam, it crashes. Any clue?
[09:03] <soulrider> hi briancron
[09:03] <mlc> yes Ash, and a downloadsiite
[09:03] <tmbg> Ash-Fox, it's kind of like sourceforge I think
[09:03] <Ash-Fox> Okay, again. What program are you trying to install.
[09:03] <tux> soulrider: is it hard to compile a system with the alternate CD/
[09:03] <mlc> I have xubuntu with Thunar
[09:04] <tux> well compile
[09:04] <soulrider> Azmodan: you got the latests version of kopete? also, you might want to check for bug reports
[09:04] <Ash-Fox> mlc, shouldn't you be in #xubuntu then/
[09:04] <soulrider> tux: you dont need to compile anything :P
[09:04] <mlc> yes, thats ok
[09:04] <Azmodan> soulrider: I got the version that comes with 7.04 beta but I had the same problem under 6.10.
[09:04] <mlc> ash, this is my first time in IRC
[09:04] <soulrider> tux: alternate CD is not like the gentoo alternate CD, where you need to compile everything
[09:04] <mlc> a bit overwhelming this all ;)
[09:04] <briancron> I had my wireless working on my wife's laptop using ubuntu and then I installed kubuntu-desktop and the wireless doesn't work in kubuntu... is this a known issue?
[09:04] <FringeJacket> baktaah you convinced to switch by those shots online?
[09:04] <Azmodan> soulrider: Any diagnostic tools I should use to produce the bug report?
[09:04] <tux> soulrider: how about the drivers and stuff, do you need to select them yourself?
[09:05] <mlc> ash, how do I get to #xubuntu
[09:05] <mlc> ?
[09:05] <Ash-Fox> mlc, doubleclick it
[09:05] <soulrider> Azmodan: i would look for bug reports, or people that asked that already. Try http://ubuntuforums.org someone might have had the same issue as you
[09:05] <mlc> wow
[09:05] <soulrider> tux: dont think so
[09:05] <soulrider> lol mlc
[09:05] <mlc> thanks a lot guys, I'll try my luck in #xubuntu
[09:05] <briancron> mlc - /j #xubuntu
[09:05] <soulrider> bye! good luck!
[09:05] <mlc> bye!!!!
[09:07] <soulrider> tux: i dont think youll have to select the drivers manually, as far as i know the alternate installation is the same as the live CD one, except the interface is text based
[09:07] <baktaah> FringeJacket no :(
[09:07] <soulrider> tux: you can slo just use a LiveCD
[09:07] <tux> some say you have more options with the alternate CD
[09:08] <soulrider> dont know, i havnt tried it
[09:08] <soulrider> but if youre not too experienced with linux
[09:08] <soulrider> i suggets you try the live CD
[09:08] <assassin> i agree
[09:09] <FringeJacket> I suggest live cd too, it is the best for new users
[09:10] <waylandbill> yes. use the live cd to see if the distro meets your needs (initially anyway)
[09:11] <FringeJacket> baktaah did you get my pm?
[09:11] <FringeJacket> waylandbill that is how I came to choosing Kubuntu
[09:12] <waylandbill> all operating systems should offer live cds IMHO
[09:12] <FringeJacket> yeah, I totally agree
[09:12] <FringeJacket> but then, windows would never sell
[09:13] <assassin> ya, not possible with ms
[09:13] <waylandbill> yes. I came to choose kubuntu by using ubuntu, kubuntu and simply mepis live cd's.
[09:13] <chemicalvamp> is there any way to make wireless assistant wirless LAN manager connect to network on startup?
[09:13] <firecrotch> I need some help with ifconfig
[09:14] <assassin> what's wrong?
[09:14] <waylandbill> chemicalvamp: knetworkmanager will do that. and now is default as of feisty.
[09:15] <chemicalvamp> waylandbill where should i look for it
[09:15] <chemicalvamp> bot knowsnothin about it
[09:15] <firecrotch> assassin: I'm have a block of IP addresses but only 1 NIC
[09:15] <firecrotch> *I
[09:15] <waylandbill> chemicalvamp: you have to get it from adept
[09:15] <waylandbill> !info knetworkmanager
[09:15] <assassin> ifconfig eth0 on my system shows it
[09:15] <chemicalvamp> cool ty
[09:15] <calamari> hi
[09:16] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB
[09:16] <firecrotch> I know that I have to set up virtual interfaces, like eth0:0, but I can't get those set up
[09:16] <chemicalvamp> heh i tried !knetworkmanager and it had nothing
[09:17] <firecrotch> Odd, now it's working
[09:17] <calamari> I'm having trouble with my PS/2 keyboard during install (alternatives cd).  I can choose off the boot menu fine, but after that my keyboard input is ignored.  Any ideas?
[09:17] <assassin> firecrotch "sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces" u'll have to add any virtual interfaces there
[09:18] <soulrider> calamari: no idea, do you have any other boot options? searching the forums would be a good idea too
[09:19] <calamari> soulrider: Install in text mode, Install in OEM mode, Install a command-line system
[09:19] <calamari> is that what you mean?
[09:19] <firecrotch> thanks, assassin
[09:19] <soulrider> well no, i meant options regarding input, let me search in the forums
[09:20] <calamari> it's weird because this is a ps/2 keyboard.. not usb :/
[09:20] <assassin> firecrotch don't forget to add the virtual intrfaces next to "auto lo" eg. "auto lo eth0:1". this will bring it up at bootup
[09:20] <genii> Someone wanted to know about booting iso images that are stored on hd directly from grub. Are they here? I found the answer to this
[09:21] <soulrider> yeah
[09:21] <chemicalvamp> i get a wierd probem once and awhile where it puts the contents of my clipboard when i type
[09:21] <soulrider> calamari: what version are you trying to install and what arch ?
[09:21] <firecrotch> assassin: Do you mind looking at my /etc/network/interfaces to see that I have it right?
[09:22] <calamari> soulrider: I've tried kubuntu x64 edgy regular and alternatives
[09:22] <chemicalvamp> e.g. hello eve#PASTED#ryone any ideas?
[09:22] <calamari> maybe I should try regular ubuntu edgy,
[09:22] <assassin> firecrotch - sure, but i have no idea how this irc works. my first time online!
[09:22] <soulrider> calamari: look at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:22] <soulrider> how weird
[09:23] <firecrotch> assassin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13222/
[09:24] <calamari> soulrider: sorry, what on that page are you referring to.. see nothing about keybaords
[09:24] <soulrider> calamari: sorry, wrong link :P
[09:24] <soulrider> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=375697&highlight=alternate+keyboard
[09:24] <soulrider> there, look at first and last post
[09:24] <soulrider> they might be helpful
[09:25] <assassin> firecrotch - looks good. should work. run "sudo /etc/init.d/networks restart" and then "ifconfig". u should see if it's up
[09:25] <firecrotch> alright
[09:25] <calamari> soulrider: thanks!
[09:25] <soulrider> calamari: i hope that is useful
[09:26] <phil_W> hi
[09:26] <firecrotch> assassin: No such file or directory
[09:27] <firecrotch> assassin: I got it, thanks :)
[09:27] <phil_W> i've a problem: my 5.1 headset doesn't work properly.  i can't really use 5.1. if i duplicate front there is only sound at front and rear, but the sub and the center speaker give no sound. could you help me?
[09:28] <assassin> firecrotch - ok
[09:29] <assassin> phil_W - got the same problem!
[09:29] <phil_W> :(
[09:29] <assassin> yea
[09:31] <jarn> Does KDE have a program for editing movies?
[09:31] <phil_W> kino i think
[09:32] <kristjan_> short command to restart all network interfaces/or dhcp renew?
[09:33] <N6REJ> kristjan_:  sudo /etc/init.d/network restart if I remember right
[09:33] <jarn> phil_W: It does that, but I don't think it's a KDE program... it uses GTK.
[09:33] <LjL> networking, iirc
[09:33] <phil_W> ok
[09:33] <LjL> or you could do sudo ifdown -a; sudo ifup -a i suppose
[09:34] <jarn> phil_W: But it's better than nothing :P. Thanks!
[09:34] <assassin> kristjan_ - what do u use for dhcp?
[09:34] <N6REJ> anyone here a blogging expert?  I need some education.
[09:34] <kristjan_> assassin: eth0?
[09:34] <phil_W> ^
[09:35] <assassin> <kristjan_ - it should be dhcpd or dnsmasq or bind
[09:36] <assassin> <kristjan_ - not running a server. then sudo /etc/init.d/network restart will work
[09:36] <jarn> Anyone know which is better, avidemux or kino?
[09:36] <N6REJ> assassin: sorry, I'm used to servers
[09:36] <kristjan_> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart - but what if I only want to renew eth0? and not touch eth1?
[09:37] <N6REJ> kristjan_: sudo ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[09:37] <chijin> sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[09:37] <N6REJ> chijin: LOL GMTA
[09:37] <chijin> :-)
[09:37] <kristjan_> and how do I renew dhcp?
[09:38] <chijin> just try that command :D
[09:38] <N6REJ> !dhcp | kristjan_
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dhcp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <chijin> it'll do everything
[09:38] <N6REJ> grrrrrrrrrr
[09:38] <N6REJ> kristjan_:  do a man dhcp to learn more about that.
[09:38] <N6REJ> kristjan_: man is your friend, even if he does speak farsi! :{
[09:39] <chemicalvamp> *gasp* the bot doesnt know
[09:39] <N6REJ> no offense to anyone
[09:39] <assassin> N6REJ - "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" if it's not a server or on a server "sudo /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart" (on my machine)
[09:39] <N6REJ> lol
[09:39] <N6REJ> assassin: ah ok.
[09:39] <assassin> yea. lol
[09:39] <N6REJ> ty
[09:40] <calamari> soulrider: it was my bios... had to disable usb mouse and keyboard support
[09:40] <N6REJ> man knows alot but he sure don't speak my lingo LOL
[09:40] <soulrider> cool thing you could figure that out calamari
[09:40] <soulrider> good luck witht he installation
[09:40] <soulrider> hey N6REJ
[09:41] <N6REJ> hey soul!
[09:41] <N6REJ> soulrider: how much you know about blogging?
[09:42] <soulrider> uhm nothing, i dont blog :P why ?
[09:45] <assassin> N6REJ - try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog or http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=set+up+a+blog&btnG=Search
[09:45] <chemicalvamp> is there a way i can ignore nicks joining / leaving the channel?
[09:45] <raffytaffy> can anyone tell me how truecrypt works ?
[09:45] <assassin> genii - i'm havin beer. :-)
[09:45] <soulrider> i like coffee :P
[09:46] <soulrider> had one earlier
[09:46] <skioski> hi can any1 help me install nvidia drivers
[09:46] <soulrider> but i need a bigger cup
[09:46] <soulrider> skioski: sure
[09:46] <assassin> i need a kettle
[09:46] <genii> assassin: I usually do on Saturday :) But at work
[09:46] <soulrider> first you need to install the driver, and then tell xorg to use it
[09:46] <skioski> is the a webpge or somethin
[09:46] <assassin> genii - me too but i'm the boss
[09:46] <skioski> a guide
[09:46] <soulrider> skioski: as a first step: download the drivers from the repositories, you can do that by typing "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" on a console
[09:47] <skioski> ok
[09:47] <soulrider> !nvidia | skioski
[09:47] <ubotu> skioski: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:47] <soulrider> you can also read from there ?
[09:47] <h0ax> is kubuntu debian based ?
[09:47] <genii> assassin:  Executive privelege :)
[09:47] <genii> h0ax: Yes
[09:47] <assassin> yep!
[09:47] <skioski> ok
[09:47] <h0ax> ummmm so i can download the .deb files like ubuntu
[09:48] <baktaah> Where can I find the KDE controlpanel?
[09:48] <soulrider> h0ax: yeah
[09:49] <soulrider> we have repos like debian does
[09:49] <N6REJ> k, I need to learn what it is and why/if I want it.
[09:49] <genii> h0ax: deb packaging is used on both Debian and Ubuntu. But deb files for one may or may not always work on the other
[09:49] <assassin> baktaah: start "system settings"
[09:49] <h0ax> i cant use debian files on here some reason ....
[09:49] <soulrider> N6REJ: a blog si sort of like an online diary
[09:50] <genii> Hey is there some export filter on OO to export to a wiki format, like Kwiki etc?
[09:50] <soulrider> have you guys seen those avatars with different tuxs? like this one http://ubuntuforums.org/customavatars/avatar1_2.gif do you know where i can get some ?
[09:51] <baktaah> thanks assassin
[09:51] <baktaah> KDe is so inefficent >&
[09:51] <baktaah> not like GNOme... thats effecient
[09:51] <soulrider> nevermind, i found the answer
[09:51] <soulrider> baktaah: we like KDE :P
[09:52] <assassin> thats a sighn. i have to go. cheers! KDE still rocks!!!!
[09:56] <chemicalvamp> i got an error in adept getting a package, it think it was an important one.. what should i do
[10:01] <chemicalvamp> http:/security.ubuntu.com edgy-security/main kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1.1 is there another location i can find this?
[10:04] <soulrider> chemicalvamp: i that isnt a valid repo
[10:04] <chemicalvamp> shoulda been http:// but thats just what my adept says
[10:05] <chemicalvamp> the download bar was empty and it said error in it
[10:05] <skioski> ok so know i need to know how to install beryl
[10:05] <skioski> any1
[10:06] <easytiger> skioski: have you tried?
[10:06] <skioski> nope i need a guide
[10:06] <easytiger> have you searched skioski?
[10:07] <skioski> yeah but i just somethin about abuntu
[10:07] <skioski> come some1 has the link to it
[10:07] <easytiger> not to be rude.. but have you tried looking with google, or on the ubuntu wiki?
[10:07] <skioski> ok
[10:07] <easytiger> it would literally take 5 seconds to find
[10:08] <soulrider> !beryl
[10:08] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:08] <soulrider> just pm the bot with a keyword and it will answer
[10:08] <easytiger> soulrider: do you use reddit?
[10:09] <soulrider> no easytiger whats it for ?
[10:09] <skioski> how do i know if im edgy or feisty
[10:09] <easytiger> its an aggregated news site soulrider. someone with your nick uses it
[10:10] <skioski> any1
[10:10] <bbell> who's familiar with getting an NVIDIA GeForce4 MXX 440 driver loaded in edgy?
[10:10] <easytiger> skioski: google?
[10:10] <pontiac_> Can anyone recommend a decent GUI based partition manager for a fresh install of Kubuntu?
[10:10] <bbell> tried that.
[10:10] <easytiger> !envy
[10:10] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. This software is NOT supported by ubuntu and you will not receive aid for it here. More at http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html See !nvidia and !nvidia9
[10:10] <skioski> can i not just type it in the consol
[10:11] <bbell> thanks.
[10:11] <soulrider> !version
[10:11] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[10:11] <soulrider> pontiac_: qtparted or gparted
[10:11] <pontiac_> Available through apt-get?
[10:11] <soulrider> easytiger: someone with this nick in this server ?
[10:11] <skioski> edgy
[10:11] <easytiger> soulrider: its not irc no
[10:11] <soulrider> yes pontiac_
[10:12] <soulrider> easytiger: where? :P
[10:12] <easytiger> http://reddit.com
[10:12] <blue|palm> does anyone know how to renable automount of usb devices... mine stopped working
[10:15] <ramiro82> hola
[10:17] <chemicalvamp> i found the repository.. but please help me figure out wich to use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13232/ i dont know the difernce
[10:19] <genii> Just sudo apt-get install  kdelibs-bin and you'll be fine. It will sort out the versions
[10:20] <blue|palm> can anyone tell me how to fix my usb device automount issue... it no longer automatically mounts a usb device (flash drive, external hdd)
[10:20] <chemicalvamp> okcool thanks, and i should wait till after adept is done correct?
[10:20] <genii> yes
[10:21] <genii> Otherwise you'll get the msg about the file being locked etc
[10:21] <pontiac_> soulrider: Thanks.  gparted made more sense to me than qtparted.  Appreciated.
[10:22] <TeReL50> does anyone know how to disable the FN key on a laptop keyboard ?
[10:22] <soulrider> no prob pontiac_
[10:22] <soulrider> !es
[10:22] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:22] <baktaah> Did someone mention cooldock?
[10:22] <genii> TeReL50: I dunno about your laptop but on mine it's hardwired somehow
[10:23] <skioski> wget http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- <nowiki>|</nowiki> sudo apt-key add -
[10:23] <TeReL50> genii it's annoying sometimes, i need a way to disable it whenever i want to :S
[10:23] <skioski> wots this mean
[10:24] <genii> TeReL50: I eventually resorted to prying off the key LOL
[10:24] <TeReL50> lololo
[10:24] <TeReL50> :0
[10:25] <chemicalvamp> lol why? conflicts? now im afriad to use mne
[10:25] <skioski> can1 help
[10:25] <genii> TeReL50: If yours is fairly recent it may have some bios settings for that key. My old Thinkpad doesn't tho
[10:26] <TeReL50> genii, that a cool idea, i'm gonna check out  tnx  man...
[10:26] <genii> TeReL50: Good luck
[10:26] <chemicalvamp> seriously why is the function key on notebooks bad?
[10:27] <genii> because it's on the very bottom left corner where you want to rest the palm of your left hand occasionally and trigger it by mistake
[10:27] <genii> At least thats my issue with it
[10:29] <jorge_> ois pl
[10:29] <easytiger> ive lost the menu bar in kopete.. how do i get it back?
[10:32] <jorge_> algm por aki pa teclar?
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> easytiger: ctrl + M
[10:32] <easytiger> ahhh.. how did i not try that
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[10:33] <skioski> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[10:33] <skioski> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:33] <skioski> wotf
[10:36] <soulrider> !adeptfix
[10:36] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:36] <soulrider> there skioski
[10:37] <genii> skioski: Likely either the update manager is running, some other thing using the dpkg system is running, or it got mucked up. If the first 2 things aren't true then follow soulrider's suggestion. If one of the first 2 things are happening , wait til they finish
[10:37] <jorge_> algm tuga por aki?
[10:38] <soulrider> !pt
[10:38] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[10:42] <jorge_> kem + aki e tuga?
[10:42] <pollyo> Hello
[10:45] <jarn> What is the load average display in ksysguard?
[10:46] <pollyo> Hello
[10:47] <pollyo> Anyone use text to speech in chat?
[10:48] <JohnFlux> jam basically the number of apps that want to use the cpu at the same time
[10:49] <pollyo> Does anyone know of an official website for irkick ?
[10:50] <pollyo> !compiz
[10:50] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:51] <genii> You know you may need a UPS when...
[10:51] <N6REJ> genii: what really embarassing is I have a 1400w inverter, and 6 batterys one of which is 4000amp hour!
[10:51] <JohnFlux> genii: when the post office lose your parcel?
[10:52] <genii> JohnFlux: Yes, that too :)
[10:52] <N6REJ> genii: do you think its connected?  Why no of course not, its sitting out in the bus & garage where it can't be used LOL
[10:52] <genii> N6REJ: For that you deserve a flogging with a wet noodle
[10:52] <N6REJ> genii: yep!
[10:53] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with the text to speech module for gaim?  Does the window need to be active for the voice to work?
[10:53] <N6REJ> genii: transformer blew up just a half a block away, good thing everything I have is heavily protected.  Still would've been better to have it on the inverter.
[10:53] <JohnFlux> pollyo: kopete is beter :-D
[10:54] <nixternal> Bitlbee is even better!
[10:54] <pollyo> JohnFlux: Have they added Yahoo chat room support?
[10:54] <genii> N6REJ: I've had my as saved a few times by a decent UPS
[10:54] <JohnFlux> pollyo: no idea :-)
[10:54] <pollyo> JohnFlux: I'll take another look at it when they do.
[10:54] <N6REJ> genii: yeah, when I was an ISP, I had a really nice 1400W UPS and ran everything through it 24/7.  It acted as a line conditioner on top of being a ups :D
[10:55] <mati> hello
[10:55] <JohnFlux> N6REJ: do you know if they use up much power themselves?
[10:56] <JohnFlux> I have one, but I don't use it just because I suspect it will increase my electric bill ;-)
[10:56] <genii> They basically have car batteries inside. It takes about the same juice as charging your car from the garage plug
[10:56] <pollyo> Hmmm..... It looks like the thing only says the text when the gaim window is active.
[10:57] <N6REJ> JohnFlux: no, they really don't use much.  Newer ones made by reputable companies like APC are about 98% effiecent.  You have other appliances that are far more wasteful if you want to query I'll explain.
[10:58] <pollyo> JohnFlux: Do you know if kopete works with text to speech?
[10:58] <genii> N6REJ:  BTW If you need replacements, I recommend marine gel batteries
[10:59] <JohnFlux> pollyo: I thought it did, but now that I check it can't see how
[10:59] <N6REJ> genii: they are good, but there is 2 better ways.  There is a company here in Iowa that makes the largest deepcycle battery there is but its very expensive $200, thats what I bought, the BETTER solution is an aircraft battery.  They are 5kw!  But HORRRIBLY expensive.
[10:59] <genii> N6REJ: Yes, I can imagine the costs
[11:00] <pollyo> JohnFlux: I wonder if it works with KTTS
[11:01] <genii> N6REJ: I'm running 4 SmartUPS 1400 with all marine gel batteries and I basically had to sign my life away to pay for them all
[11:01] <JohnFlux> pollyo: yeah I was thinking that, but I don't see a plugin for it
[11:01] <pollyo> JohnFlux: What do I click to get into IRC with Kopete?
[11:02] <N6REJ> genii: yep!  they are crazy expensive, are you solar?
[11:02] <JohnFlux> pollyo: i think you add a new account
[11:02] <pollyo> JohnFlux; I saw something in the KTTS.
[11:02] <genii> N6REJ: Not sure what you mean by solar
[11:02] <N6REJ> are you solar dependant?
[11:03] <genii> N6REJ: No. It runs off the wall. It's for my servers and such
[11:04] <N6REJ> ah ok.
[11:04] <genii> Tho I could likely run a small house off it all for an hour or three :)
[11:06] <Tm_T> !feisty
[11:06] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu) - Feisty will be released at 0:00 UTC on April, 1
[11:06] <genii> N6REJ: If I was going to have a solar house I'd convert everything to use 12VDC anyhow
[11:06] <N6REJ> 48vdc is more efficient
[11:07] <soulrider_> genii: why do you need such a battery ?
[11:07] <easytiger> will distupgrade work this thime do you think?
[11:08] <genii> N6REJ: I figure with 12 VDC  I could just plug in cigarettle lighter adapters on occasion and 12 is a standard type voltage for automotive etc
[11:08] <Tm_T> easytiger: hm?
[11:08] <genii> soulrider What for the servers?
[11:08] <soulrider_> ah, i didnt know you had servers
[11:08] <soulrider_> my dad has an UPS on his computer
[11:08] <easytiger> Tm_T: it screwed up last time and tanked a lot of installs
[11:09] <soulrider_> its kinda cool, when we have a blackout he can still surf the net >.<
[11:09] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[11:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:09] <N6REJ> genii: true, BUT, the upconversion and transfer down, for some reason is more efficient with 24v and 48v systems.
[11:09] <pollyo> What irc server are we on?
[11:10] <genii> soulrider_ I'm running at the moment about 3 email boxes, an asterisk box, 3 radius servers, 4 superstack switches, some cisco AS5200 routers and assorted other things
[11:10] <soulrider_> genii: thats in your house? =/
[11:10] <genii> Partly ,yes
[11:10] <soulrider_> uhm
[11:10] <soulrider_> what kind of connection do you have ?
[11:11] <elitehacker> hey does anyone know where i can get a p2p filesharing program to work on my intel x86 kubuntu 6.06 ?
[11:11] <genii> soulrider At home I have twin SDSL, at work an OC3
[11:11] <elitehacker> i have tried lime wire but it wont work
[11:11] <killown> linux have system of authentication iris  ?
[11:11] <soulrider_> elitehacker: frostwire
[11:11] <AZNSLD> Hey could some one help me with my apache....
[11:11] <AZNSLD> I think I mess it up badlt
[11:12] <AZNSLD> I think I mess it up badly...
[11:12] <Admiral_Chicago> elitehacker: frostwire
[11:12] <soulrider_> genii: thats so awesome
[11:12] <Admiral_Chicago> !frostwire
[11:12] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:12] <elitehacker> thanks
[11:12] <Admiral_Chicago> that is the one you want
[11:12] <soulrider_> i bet dist-upgrades are quite fast :P
[11:12] <elitehacker> verymuch*
[11:13] <elitehacker> yeah i was looking for limewire but no support for my os
[11:13] <soulrider_> genii: how much do you have to pay for your home sdsl ?
[11:13] <genii> soulrider_ When I use the local university repo it's prettyu good :)
[11:13] <elitehacker> like there was files .rpm but cannot open them in adept
[11:13] <soulrider_> elitehacker: we use DEB, not RPM
[11:13] <genii> soulrider_ Since my home connection is for work, I get it paid
[11:13] <soulrider_> cool!
[11:14] <elitehacker> k
[11:14] <soulrider_> i want a job like that
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago> elitehacker: look at the page, it will link you to .deb
[11:14] <genii> soulrider_ I have to admit it's a pretty good gig
[11:14] <elitehacker> k
[11:14] <soulrider_> what is it that you do ?
[11:14] <elitehacker> yeah its downloading now
[11:14] <pollyo> JohnFlux: kopete does look different.
[11:15] <pollyo> JohnFlux: I generally use gaim.
[11:15] <genii> soulrider_ Mostly I'm the first admin that gets called at 4AM when customers are screaming :)
[11:15] <soulrider_> lol genii
[11:15] <soulrider_> i dont know if i could deal with customers
[11:15] <soulrider_> i think i would be happy enough programming
[11:16] <genii> Admiral_Chicago: :) OK I'll desist here. I am in that channel already btw
[11:16] <elitehacker> now is frost wire just like limewire rite all the same controlls so i can still edit the files under GNU?
[11:17] <Admiral_Chicago> what do you mean edit files under GNU
[11:17] <elitehacker> liek its under the liscense
[11:17] <elitehacker> so i can do w.e to it
[11:17] <jbaloul> hi all
[11:17] <jbaloul> can anyone tell me...if i bring up kicker by itself in a different window manager...how can i bring up the keyboard language switching tool as well?
[11:17] <Admiral_Chicago> elitehacker: depends on what files you get...
[11:18] <elitehacker> k
[11:18] <Admiral_Chicago> if the files you get aren't open, you may need to follow the patents on them etc.
[11:19] <elitehacker> now i have a friend how wants to get kubuntu but his d-link DWL-G132 usb wi-fi adapter is not comming up when he boots up kubuntu
[11:19] <N6REJ> when I have the audo cd on my desktop shouldn't I be able to just say "eject" and have it auto umount and eject?
[11:19] <elitehacker> is there any linux drivers for a dwl-g132
[11:20] <soulrider_> N6REJ: when i use an audio cd that works fine
[11:20] <genii> You have to unmount then eject
[11:20] <Admiral_Chicago> elitehacker: have you seen this page
[11:20] <soulrider_> i just press the button and it comes out
[11:20] <Admiral_Chicago> !wireless
[11:20] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:20] <N6REJ> elitehacker: wireless is always a bit of tweaking in nix.  Its just the nature of the technology at this point.  you may need ndiswrapper.
[11:20] <N6REJ> ty Admiral_Chicago
[11:20] <N6REJ> soulrider_: hmmmmmmm
[11:20] <elitehacker> where do i get that?
[11:20] <N6REJ> soulrider_: r click eject right?
[11:21] <elitehacker> ndiswrapper?
[11:21] <N6REJ> elitehacker: click on the blue link
[11:21] <N6REJ> !ndiswrapper
[11:21] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:21] <elitehacker> yeah
[11:21] <soulrider_> N6REJ: i just press the button on my CD drive :P
[11:21] <N6REJ> soulrider_: :P
[11:21] <N6REJ> too far away
[11:21] <waylandbill> elitehacker: ndiswrapper uses windows drivers to run a wireless card
[11:21] <elitehacker> so do i have to make a windows driver compat. to a linux os?
[11:21] <waylandbill> !info ndiswrapper
[11:21] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:21] <soulrider_> lol, youre lazy :P
[11:22] <soulrider_> N6REJ: i soemtimes hate linux because it wont plays oem audio CDs
[11:22] <soulrider_> and it also feels like it has trouble with audio CDs in general
[11:22] <genii> the ubotu lies :) The package exists
[11:22] <soulrider_> lol
[11:22] <soulrider_> no botsnack for it
[11:22] <elitehacker> they dont have the rite device its only 122 not dwl-g132
[11:22] <waylandbill> not linux's fault. the CD's manufacturer's fault.
[11:23] <elitehacker> what happens if linux doesnt support it? :s
[11:23] <soulrider_> waylandbill: they work better in windows for me, and some CDs i have burnt myself :P
[11:23] <waylandbill> soulrider_: that's the point.. drm and the like
[11:24] <N6REJ> ok, I've got a new problem... I just stuck a windows dvd in the drive.  and kde says "a new medium has been detected type "UNMOUNTED DVD" What do you want me to do "open in new window" or "do nothing"  I know neither of those are right.
[11:24] <genii> open in a new window will usually show the contents
[11:24] <soulrider_> yeah
[11:24] <soulrider_> if you just wanna play it
[11:24] <soulrider_> open up VLC and load it
[11:24] <soulrider_> thats what i do
[11:24] <soulrider_> or kaffeine, whatever you like best
[11:25] <N6REJ> genii: I want to dupe it with k3b?  so I don't hurt the master.
[11:25] <soulrider_> N6REJ: is ti a DVD 9 or  a DVD 4?
[11:25] <N6REJ> the thing is if its not mounted its not going to do anything is it?
[11:25] <soulrider_> or dVD 5whatever
[11:25] <N6REJ> soulrider_: I have no idea?
[11:26] <soulrider_> =/
[11:26] <N6REJ> software, is all I know.
[11:26] <N6REJ> its adobe!
[11:26] <soulrider_> whats the size of the data? if its over 4.3 gb youll have to use a dual layered DVD
[11:26] <waylandbill> N6REJ: dvd playback software will usually mount it
[11:26] <elitehacker> hey where does frost wire install too?
[11:26] <N6REJ> oic
[11:26] <N6REJ> ok
[11:26] <genii> N6REJ: I'm not burning dvds enough in k3b to be helpful here. I'm a cdrecord command-line guy
[11:26] <soulrider_> oh, it hought it was video, not data
[11:26] <elitehacker> its downloading frostwire but i never sayed where and it opens Kate?
[11:26] <RavenTux> I know the uname command for the kernel version What would the command be for the distro version?
[11:27] <soulrider_> elitehacker: right clickt he linka nd hit : save link as....
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> ls_release or something like that...
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know
[11:27] <soulrider_> or save target as
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i always forget it
[11:27] <mathojojo> hello
[11:27] <soulrider_> Admiral_Chicago: for what ?
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> release version
[11:28] <elitehacker> no i clicked download on frostwire.com i clicked the idont care then it started downloading and then kate came up
[11:28] <mathojojo> sorry, i have a problem with multimedia keys, can someone help me ?
[11:28] <soulrider_> !version
[11:28] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[11:28] <N6REJ> apparently k3b doesn't know how to rip a dvd
[11:28] <soulrider_> elitehacker: hold on a sec
[11:28] <soulrider_> N6REJ: it doesnt:P
[11:28] <elitehacker> in kate all it shows is writting like this U6*VO=crmrHCY)9luWAZ>
[11:28] <RavenTux> thanks soulrider_ Admiral_Chicago
[11:28] <N6REJ> elitehacker: thats binary
[11:29] <elitehacker> yeah
[11:29] <N6REJ> why are you reading binary in kate?
[11:29] <elitehacker> i know but why is it comming up in kate
[11:29] <elitehacker> it comes up automatically
[11:29] <N6REJ> elitehacker: are you trying to dl a file?
[11:29] <soulrider_> yeah
[11:29] <soulrider_> it does the same for me
[11:29] <soulrider_> it attempts to open a deb file in kate
[11:29] <N6REJ> konq is hosed!  you have to tell it to save it not click on it.
[11:30] <elitehacker> no i clicked DOWNLOAD on frostwire.com then i clickd IDONTCARE then this small window comes up a download box all of a sudden kate pops up reading binary ?
[11:30] <N6REJ> r click and say save!
[11:30] <N6REJ> yeah, I don't know why konq is doing that.
[11:30] <soulrider_> elitehacker: open a console and type
[11:30] <N6REJ> its a problem with konq
[11:30] <soulrider_> wget http://www.peercommons.com/frostwire/4.13.1/frostwire-4.13.1.6.i586.deb
[11:30] <soulrider_> thatw ill download it
[11:31] <soulrider_> the file will end upo in your home folder, then right click and install
[11:31] <N6REJ> I'm using fiesty now and don't know if it has the same problem... ALOT of stuff was fixed in fiesty.
[11:31] <elitehacker> im lost
[11:31] <elitehacker> i cant see anything
[11:31] <Admiral_Chicago> elitehacker: konsole says what?
[11:31] <adydas> ok i ask again what is the best way to setup a new external usb based harddrive for primary use on my machine ( linux ) but able to plug and play into windows to share media over the future..
[11:31] <soulrider_> elitehacker: type this in a console: "wget http://www.peercommons.com/frostwire/4.13.1/frostwire-4.13.1.6.i586.deb" dont add the " though
[11:32] <elitehacker> k
[11:32] <N6REJ> soulrider_: wait
[11:32] <N6REJ> elitehacker: wait
[11:32] <N6REJ> soulrider_: add -nd -c to that command
[11:32] <elitehacker> yeah now its downloading?
[11:32] <soulrider_> elitehacker: linux can feel a bit weird at first, but dont get discouraged
[11:32] <elitehacker> now what
[11:32] <N6REJ> wiat
[11:32] <soulrider_> N6REJ: dont complicate things :P
[11:32] <N6REJ> wait it out
[11:33] <elitehacker> i wanna get Xubuntu
[11:33] <elitehacker> or linux on my xbox would be sick
[11:33] <N6REJ> soulrider_: I was trying not to., now its going to make a dir that is a mirror of the dir its in.
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> elitehacker: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <elitehacker> no not rite now
[11:33] <soulrider_> N6REJ: i dont think so =/
[11:33] <pollyo> Have they developed ubuntu for the wii yet?
[11:33] <soulrider_> N6REJ: -c is to continue a download
[11:33] <elitehacker> lol i am running kbuntu on a 3giger
[11:33] <N6REJ> soulrider_: read man wget :D
[11:33] <adydas> anyone...
[11:34] <N6REJ> soulrider_: yeah, and -nd is "NO DIRECTORY" ;)
[11:34] <elitehacker> i have Edubuntu Kubuntu Ubuntu (all 6.06) then i have ubuntu 6.10 all for x86 intel
[11:34] <N6REJ> meaning, don't use the dir structure that is at the host.
[11:34] <soulrider_> N6REJ: im running what i pasted and its not creating a dir or anything
[11:34] <N6REJ> then wget has changed :(
[11:34] <soulrider_> lol
[11:34] <soulrider_> N6REJ: for how long have you been using ubuntu ?
[11:35] <soulrider_> well, linux
[11:35] <elitehacker> can i change linux so its not one click to open anything wow that gets anyoinh when u use windows all ur life
[11:35] <N6REJ> soulrider_: traditionally wget has always made a dir structure that is a copy of the structure from which you dl.
[11:35] <Admiral_Chicago> N6REJ: but without -nd you can do sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:35] <vvv> could anyone help me with my problem?
[11:35] <N6REJ> over 15 years
[11:35] <soulrider_> vvv: just ask
[11:36] <elitehacker> UTILITY NOT IN MY PATH says my ark as i am trying to install Frostwire
[11:36] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: so just pipe it over to dpkg?
[11:36] <soulrider_> elitehacker: rick click, kubutnu package menu > install
[11:36] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: I never thought to use -nd with dpkg
[11:36] <vvv> i am getting a error whenever i try start install a kubuntu feisty cd or dvd.. of any kind i have even tried ubuntu cd/dvd i have gotten the same error
[11:36] <elitehacker> soul whats that?
[11:36] <soulrider_> that will install it
[11:37] <Admiral_Chicago> i wouldn't use it, i like to wget, have the deb and chain link the command
[11:37] <N6REJ> vvv: what error?
[11:37] <elitehacker> yeah but what is kbuntu package menu?
[11:37] <soulrider_> vv what error ?
[11:37] <vvv> kind of long let me type it out... some of the spelling might be wrong since i wrote it down
[11:37] <elitehacker> whats Kbuntu package menu?
[11:37] <soulrider_> i cant believe it has been 10 months since i started using linux, and i still feel like such a newbie
[11:37] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: yeah, that makes sense, but doesn't just "wget file" still make dir structure by default?
[11:37] <soulrider_> its one of the options int he meny elitehacker
[11:37] <N6REJ> !pastebin | vvv
[11:37] <ubotu> vvv: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:37] <elitehacker> int. he ment?
[11:38] <vvv>  /bin /sh : can't access tty; job control turned off
[11:38] <elitehacker> ohh in the menu
[11:38] <vvv> then on the next line
[11:38] <soulrider_> right clickt he file you downloaded and then on the option "kubuntu package meny" hit install
[11:38] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: I mean I know you can make a wget.rc file to change that, but I'm speaking natively.
[11:38] <soulrider_> elitehacker: yes, im a horrible typer :P
[11:38] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see
[11:38] <soulrider_> elitehacker: you sure you dont wanna read the wiki? theres a small manual in how packages work in ubuntu, it would clear things up a lot for you
[11:39] <elitehacker> yeah i dont have that in my menu
[11:39] <vvv>  (initramfs) [88.722804]  ata1.01 : failed to set xfermode (err_mask)=04
[11:39] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: perhaps canocial has already altered the native .rc file or wget has?
[11:39] <elitehacker> the kbuntu package thing
[11:39] <N6REJ> vvv: stop!
[11:39] <soulrider_> elitehacker: open a console and type
[11:39] <vvv> ok
[11:39] <elitehacker> ...
[11:39] <N6REJ> vvv: have you put the live cd in your system and tried that?
[11:39] <elitehacker> ?
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure N6REJ...bbiab
[11:39] <soulrider_> sudo dpkg -i frost[tab]    ([tab]  means press the tab button)
[11:39] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: k
[11:40] <elitehacker> ....
[11:40] <elitehacker> Type....
[11:40] <soulrider_> elitehacker: open a console and type: sudo dpkg -i frostwire-4.13.1.6.i586.deb
[11:40] <soulrider_> thatw ill install frostwire
[11:41] <vvv> N6Rej i'm not sure what you mean. .do i have to copy and paste content from the feisty cd onto my computer before i attempt to install it?
[11:41] <elitehacker> i dont see the point in going threw all this trobble into installing a simple program for linux when windows or mac is just one click?
[11:41] <N6REJ> vvv: no!
[11:41] <N6REJ> vvv: what happens when you put fiesty cd in your computer and start your computer?
[11:42] <fox__> buenas tardes
[11:42] <fox__> de venezuela
[11:42] <vvv> i put the cd into my computer, and i boot from cd through my bios.. then the cd boots up and i press enter  to start or install kubuntu
[11:42] <vvv> the cd begins to load on the kubuntu loading screen then it just stops and that error comes up
[11:42] <elitehacker> no my Konsole is asking for a passowrd and i cant seem to type anything?
[11:42] <fox__> no tengo sonido en mi portatil con kubuntu 6.10
[11:42] <N6REJ> !es | fox__
[11:42] <ubotu> fox__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:43] <N6REJ> vvv: are you using a laptop?
[11:43] <fox__> thank
[11:43] <N6REJ> fox__: np
[11:43] <soulrider_> elitehacker: youre actually typing
[11:43] <soulrider_> but it just doesnt show ou
[11:43] <soulrider_> you*
[11:43] <elitehacker> yeah
[11:43] <elitehacker> nvm my font is changed
[11:44] <elitehacker> i changed the whole look of my kubuntu but forgot about my txt being black
[11:44] <vvv> no i'm using a desktop. i have burned off a bunch of ubuntu and kubuntu cds.. i only seem to be able to install 6.10 of kubuntu and ubuntu.. feisty just won't load for me.. i keep getting that error
[11:44] <N6REJ> vvv: ok, then the best place for you to go now is #ubuntu+1  They are handling the fiesty special stuff
[11:44] <elitehacker> hey can i run linux of a pendrive?
[11:44] <elitehacker> lmao
[11:44] <N6REJ> elitehacker: yep!
[11:44] <elitehacker> lol
[11:45] <elitehacker> how much space of a pendrive do i need
[11:45] <N6REJ> elitehacker: you can run *nix on a floppy!
[11:45] <elitehacker> whats that?
[11:45] <vvv> thank you very much N6Rej
[11:45] <elitehacker> how much space of a pendrive do u need?
[11:45] <elitehacker> 2.1gb?
[11:45] <N6REJ> vvv: np
[11:46] <steve_> how can I make kmail's composer wrap when it hit the right border of the composer window instead of scrolling hortizontally (don't want to use the wrap feature, it's not the same thing )
[11:46] <elitehacker> now it says frostwire is installed but yet its noware to be found??
[11:47] <soulrider_> elitehacker: type forstwire in a console
[11:48] <steve_> anyone knows how can I make kmail's composer wrap when it hit the right border of the composer window instead of scrolling hortizontally (don't want to use the wrap feature, it's not the same thing )
[11:48] <soulrider_> elitehacker: i suggest you read this guide, it will help ypu understand things better
[11:48] <soulrider_> !installing | elitehacker
[11:48] <ubotu> elitehacker: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[11:48] <soulrider_> read the first link
[11:51] <elitehacker> how would i beable to boot up a pendrive when my bios only supports IDE?
[11:52] <elitehacker> I dont have JRE
[11:52] <elitehacker> when i typed in frostwire
[11:53] <N6REJ> elitehacker:  you need to read up on *nix.  read those links soulrider_ gave you.
[11:53] <elitehacker> i have to install java
[11:53] <N6REJ> yep
[11:53] <N6REJ> its not hard
[11:53] <elitehacker> how come the linux i know doesnt have the penguin in this one?
[11:54] <elitehacker> i dont know wich on to download?
[11:54] <elitehacker> linux x64?
[11:54] <N6REJ> !info begginer
[11:54] <ubotu> Package begginer does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:54] <elitehacker> self etracting linux?
[11:54] <elitehacker> lol
[11:54] <N6REJ> elitehacker: your asking questions without reading.  Your going to make people upset
[11:54] <elitehacker> i am only using linux untill nxt week until i get my windows back
[11:54] <N6REJ> soulrider_: ever used k9copy?
[11:55] <elitehacker> well i know but i am almost done
[11:56] <soulrider> elitehacker: listen upo man
[11:57] <soulrider> its important to read the link i gave you
[11:57] <elitehacker> what link?
[11:57] <soulrider> it will teach you about installing programs, and its rather different than in windows
[11:57] <soulrider> this one
[11:57] <soulrider> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[11:57] <elitehacker> yeah thats the prob?
[11:57] <elitehacker> they copy windows but make installing stuff a whole nother story
[11:57] <soulrider> hol don, not that one
[11:58] <soulrider> copy windows? wtf?!
[11:58] <Sanne> elitehacker: you might also want to look at this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[11:58] <elitehacker> yeah
[11:58] <elitehacker> they even copy photo sho[
[11:58] <dwidmann> Copy windows? No, not really. And if you've payed attention lately, Windows isn't really all the original. Windows Copies Mac.
[11:58] <elitehacker> shop and mozilla and call it there own Konqureor
[11:58] <elitehacker> photoshop*
[11:59] <soulrider> oh god
[11:59] <soulrider> please
[11:59] <soulrider> elitehacker: ever used a MAC ?
[11:59] <elitehacker> yeah
[11:59] <soulrider> apparently not
[12:00] <elitehacker> lol they all copy each other
[12:00] <soulrider> im just gonna stop talking for a while
[12:00] <elitehacker> Open office icon for loading looks very similar to OHHHHH yeah Adobe!!!
[12:00] <usamahashimi> hello everyone
[12:00] <usamahashimi> can i install upstart in dapper?
[12:01] <soulrider> !info upstart
[12:01] <ubotu> upstart: event-based init daemon. In component main, is required. Version 0.2.7-7 (edgy), package size 91 kB, installed size 300 kB
[12:01] <soulrider> usamahashimi: you know how to apt-get ?
[12:01] <genii> !info upstart dapper
[12:01] <ubotu> Package upstart does not exist in dapper
[12:01] <elitehacker> wow my .bin files are now getting opend up in kate?
[12:01] <soulrider> oh ym
[12:02] <usamahashimi> soulrider: yes
[12:02] <soulrider> usamahashimi: let me see if somoene posted int he forums about it
[12:02] <usamahashimi> soulrider: but apt-cache search upstart is not finding it
[12:02] <elitehacker> ughh i cant seem to get java installed rite?
[12:02] <usamahashimi> soulrider: ok, i also checked but can not find anything
[12:03] <elitehacker> there's no program to open up .bin
[12:03] <soulrider> oh
[12:03] <soulrider> usamahashimi: are there any alternatives you can use?
[12:03] <genii> usamahashimi: Yes, that's because it only started being packaged with edgy. there may be a backport later. but there is not one yet
[12:03] <soulrider> either that or compile it yourself
[12:03] <Sanne> elitehacker: install java from the ubuntu repositories
[12:03] <elitehacker> whats that?
[12:04] <soulrider> Sanne: he doesnt seem to want to read the docs, also, hes just using ubuntu for a week. Oh, and we copy M$
[12:04] <usamahashimi> soulrider: i tried init-ng but no improvement in boot time
[12:04] <usamahashimi> genii: ok thanks
[12:04] <Sanne> elitehacker: explained int he link I gave you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[12:05] <elitehacker> give me nothing about .bin files?
[12:05] <Sanne> soulrider: yeah, I noticed. I'm having some frustration allowance left, so I'm still trying to help. ;)
[12:05] <dwidmann> usamahashimi: You're not going to see a truely significant improvement by installing upstart in dapper. The great pains it would likely take to get it installed in dapper would probably outweigh any benefits.
[12:05] <elitehacker> That link gives me nothing about .BIN FILES
[12:05] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: ok, it means i have to forget it for the time being
[12:05] <Sanne> elitehacker: that link explained some fundamentals about using Kubuntu. You can install java from the ubuntu repositories.
[12:05] <dwidmann> elitehacker, pull up a terminal, type in "./filename.bin" (substituting filename with the name (and if necessary path) of the file
[12:05] <adydas> is the following mounted with use of ntfs-3g
[12:06] <adydas> this /dev/sdc1 on /media/usbdisk type ntfs
[12:06] <elitehacker> see? why cant i just download it instead of going threw programs?
[12:06] <dwidmann> elitehacker: .bin files are usually archives with built in shell scripts.
[12:06] <Sanne> elitehacker: if you execute a bin file that's not from the official repositories, you might run into trouble if you don't know about the fundamentals.
[12:07] <elitehacker> yeah but its from JAVA them selves i dont even know if my os even suports Linux self extracting thats all it sayed
[12:07] <genii> elitehacker: editing 1 line in the apt mirror file then installing it is not exactly difficult
[12:07] <Sanne> elitehacker: linux is different. Don't try to use it assuming it is just another kind of windows. It isn't. You need to be willing to learn a bit, just like you did when you started with windows.
[12:07] <adydas> what controls automount if its not in fstab ( i belive its somthign to do with pmount )
[12:08] <elitehacker> yeah but why cant they have it done for u?
[12:08] <soulrider> genii: hes too lazy to read the small docs on installing
[12:08] <genii> less difficult for example than finding the exact version you need, downloading, chmoddding running etc etc etc
[12:08] <soulrider> and seems to be ignoring most of our comments
[12:08] <jarn> In  xorg.conf, Option "GLX" "enable" is for compiz, yes?
[12:08] <Sanne> elitehacker: kubuntu has a lot done for you, just not in the same way that you are used from windows. Read the link I gave you, it is expalined in there. I stop now, have fun.
[12:08] <soulrider> !wireless
[12:08] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:09] <adydas> does pmount have a config, or how can i make it mount using fuse / ntfs-3g
[12:09] <elitehacker> wow i just typed in ./jre-1_5_0_011-linux,,,,,blah blah.bin and says no directory found?
[12:09] <pollyo> elitehacker: Did you check for typos?
[12:09] <dwidmann> elitehacker, weird, try doing this on it first
[12:09] <elitehacker> yeah i did i copy'd and paste'd
[12:09] <dwidmann> chmod +x filename.bin
[12:09] <pollyo> elitehacker: You might have to make it executable.
[12:10] <genii> dwidmann: He's likely not doing ./ in the dir he d/l to
[12:10] <usamahashimi> how can i block any website?
[12:10] <dwidmann> genii, I reckon so
[12:10] <dwidmann> usamahashimi: in what browser?
[12:10] <pollyo> elitehacker: Like on windows you have to click allow this program to run on this computer for some applications or dll's.
[12:10] <elitehacker> its not a app. or a .dll?
[12:10] <genii> usamahashimi: Unplug your computer from the internet
[12:10] <genii> (that usually works for me)
[12:10] <jarn> In  xorg.conf, Option "GLX" "enable" is for compiz, yes?
[12:11] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: in konqueror and firefox,
[12:11] <pollyo> elitehacker: "like"
[12:11] <dwidmann> genii: hahahahaha
[12:11] <elitehacker> yeah like on windows?
[12:11] <genii> dwidmann:  :)
[12:11] <elitehacker> nothing about like itsa .dll
[12:11] <dwidmann> usamahashimi: well, they both have adblock plugins, just add the websites address to the list
[12:11] <elitehacker> nvm i need to figure this out
[12:11] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: can I put the name of website in some file so no browser can access it?