=== EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] imbrandon: don't get to far with 94353; I already took care of it. :) === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ucap [n=ucap@212-41-96-88.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] hi guys, tonight i worked on some unmdetdeps bugs [12:34] i will be grateful if you could review some of them [12:35] see you, good night :) === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Microsoft] === wick2o [n=wick2o@72.25.56.45] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] hello [12:38] hello [12:38] Hey wick2o [12:38] hows it going? [12:38] Well thanks. Yourself? [12:38] I'm doing already [12:39] i hear this is the place to start if you want more involved in ubuntu [12:40] im tring to create an install cd that i dont have to apt-get dist-upgrade after the install [12:40] debconf seems to be broken if i just put the new packages on the cd [12:40] (following the wiki howto works fine) [12:40] You can't just put the packages onto the CD. [12:40] You need to regenerate the package metadata. [12:40] yeap [12:40] WHich is in the dists directory. [12:41] yes, im aware of that [12:41] wick2o: Unless you are willing to spend lots of time rebuilding the CD, I would suggest just installing from the CD, and upgrading. [12:41] hey folks, how can I output the terminal to a file? [12:41] TheMuso, i have already spent the time rebuilding the cd :) [12:41] Its not worth the headache. [12:42] appart of command > file, and command | tee file [12:42] i followed the tut on the wiki and it works perfectly [12:42] there is another way, isn't there? [12:42] i have a perfectly preseeded cd based off of 6.06.1 [12:42] ive even added packages and the complete install works GREAT [12:42] something like command 2&>1 file, or something like that [12:42] wick2o: Is there a reason why you'd rather stick to dapper? [12:43] im just a fan of LTS and i know it works perfectly for what i want to use it for [12:43] after my install i did an apt-get -ys dist-upgrade > results [12:43] and manually downloaed the new debs [12:43] for EVERYTHING that it wasd going to update [12:43] rebuilt the cd [12:44] and the install nolonger sees the nic or can mount the harddrive to do parittioning [12:44] Without knowing just how you have gone about things, I can't comment. [12:44] And I don't have much experience in rebuilding an installCD. [12:44] TheMuso, im getting the wiki url now..one moment [12:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization [12:48] this is exactly what i did to get my working copy [12:48] (i know for sure it works because i used it on 6 installs) [12:49] TheMuso, im just glad to have found 1 other person who even talks to me about this [12:49] :) === matt_good [n=matt@216.4.147.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.133] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] what im tring to do is create my own 6.06.2 that has all of the current updates for dapper [12:52] i did some looking into jidgo but that seems to only for the the latest and greatest [12:54] wick2o: Ok now that I have an understanding of what that guide shows you, what exactly is the problem? [12:55] like ive said, following that got me a working dapper-server install cd with my custom preseed on it which solved half of my problem [12:56] now i want to take it one step farther so i dont have to apt-get -y dist-upgrade after the install [12:56] Right. [12:56] so i did an apt-get -ys dist-upgrade > results [12:56] and manuallly downloaded all the debs from ubuntu archive using wget [12:56] and placed them in the correct places manually and then deleted the old ones [12:56] Right. [12:57] then i rebuild the repostitory on the cd [12:57] then created the iso [12:58] And you can't see your drives is that right? [12:58] well when i boot of the cd and start the install all is well [12:58] the first problem pops up when it tries to configure the network [12:58] it now tells me it cant find the network cards [12:59] wick2o: I think you need to rebuild the debian installer image. [12:59] which my orignal cd finds no problem [12:59] wick2o: So you need to apt-get source debian-installer ; apt-get build-dep debian-installer and rebuild debian-installer. === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] This creates a new set of files that need to be placed onto the CD. [01:00] Unfortunately I'm about to head away from the computer for now, but I will be back shortly. [01:00] I'll be here most of tonight [01:00] ill look into this info you have giving me [01:01] i had no idea that the installer would have to be rebuilt as well [01:01] but i guess if i put a new kerel on the cd itslef that may make sense [01:01] but if i may i have one quick question... [01:01] does the rebuild of that package have to be done on the same us/version + updates as the new cd will be? [01:02] or can i use my current desktop install? === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54bed580.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] ... [01:18] hello imbrandon [01:18] hello === kofler [n=kofler@fw.bcp.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] What does this mean? debian-files-list-in-source [01:38] Is there a list of Lintian errors somewhere? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] Heya gang [01:40] moin bddebian [01:41] Heya Jucato [01:41] hehe :) [01:42] hello bddebian :) [01:42] moo [01:42] somerville32: lol === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] one more package to build and then on to create the discs :) [01:46] Heya joejaxx, somerville32 [01:46] kofler: generally lintian -i give as much explanation as can be given [01:46] hi bddebian [01:48] ok, so I wonder if I should be testing if php4->php5 actually works in these packages [01:48] So, what is there to do at this stage of the game? [01:48] LaserJock: i was asking ajmitch the same thing the other dayaha :P [01:49] Heya LaserJock [01:49] joejaxx: what did he say? [01:49] *meh* ? :-) [01:49] he said some code is not yet compatible with php5 :( [01:49] yeah, but what are we going to do in that case? [01:50] drop the package or .... [01:50] i do not know [01:50] I guess my question is if php4 is really going to be removed for Feisty [01:50] cause if it is then we can't have packages deping on it I'm guessing [01:51] yeah [01:51] so they'll either work or break [01:51] i wonder what we should do [01:51] fix it [01:52] :) [01:52] bddebian: well, I'm more concerned with what to do with sponsor requests [01:53] LaserJock: Why? [01:53] people are putting up s/php4/php5/ debdiffs [01:53] I wonder how much I'm supposed to test it [01:53] Oh [01:53] I mean if it's FTBFS then it's obviously a problem [01:54] LaserJock: I guess the first place to start is the upstream website for the package, and the docs to see whether php5 is supported for that version. [01:54] If not, I guess an UVF is needed to get php5 support. [01:54] TheMuso: ah, good point [01:54] LaserJock: php packages can't really be FTBFS. [01:54] lot of work though [01:54] LaserJock: I don't really see any other way around it. [01:54] TheMuso: sure they can, just not the php part [01:54] ;-) [01:54] heh === Jucato waves at LaserJock [01:55] hi Jucato [01:55] hello :) [01:57] hrm isnt there a way to run lintian on the whole archive ? [01:58] Sure, have fun :-) [01:58] O.o [01:58] imbrandon: lol have fun with that :P [01:58] hold on let me see [01:59] LaserJock: you asked why 1.1.1 iceape doesnt build? well i can give you more details mid next week but i have a feeling its a patch or rules file. i got rid of the failing on xpcom now its sqlite.h issue ( [02:00] Damn openoffice! [02:00] TheMuso: lol [02:00] Just so damn big to download. [02:00] asac is gonna try to build it on his sytem this weekend so i will have more info on it next week. debian maintainers state it builds fine :( [02:01] imbrandon: sure, I think Debian does that [02:01] Doesn't seem like it from some of the packages I've seen ;-) [02:01] LaserJock, last time i seen them do it was 1999 [02:01] expect it in feisty+1 atm. ok bed time night all [02:01] Gnight gnomefreak [02:01] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/04/msg00127.html [02:01] bddebian: they do it, doesn't mean the pay attentionn to it ;-) [02:01] heh [02:01] hi, TheMuso [02:02] hrm [02:02] jwendell: Hi. Just fetching updates, and I'll look at more of your stuff. :) [02:02] it should be simple enough to do if you have a local repo mirror [02:02] TheMuso, wow you're really fast! [02:02] imbrandon: the by-maintainer part is funny === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] bah, I can't see anywhere in the freeradius source or website where it even mentions php deps [02:04] but I already uploaded it so it'll just have to work ;-) [02:05] ;0 [02:05] ;) * [02:05] upload first, then ask questions ;-) [02:06] LaserJock: If it builds, it works, right? ;-) [02:06] haha [02:06] heck yeah === bddebian hides from ajmitch [02:06] lol [02:06] well, I do check both build and install [02:06] sicko [02:06] but I can't check actual function most of the time [02:06] I don't even know what the packages do [02:06] let along know how to test them [02:07] lol [02:07] the curse of team maintanence [02:08] :P [02:08] on a brighter note though, I just got the ok from my boss for UDS [02:09] yay [02:09] hmm [02:09] where are the .changes keep? [02:10] what do you mean? [02:10] jwendell: Could you please point me to any remaining bugs you have added diffs for that are still open and haven't been uploaded? [02:10] LaserJock: like slim_1.2.6-0fluxbuntu1_i386.changes [02:10] TheMuso, https://launchpad.net/~wendell/+assignedbugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress [02:10] joejaxx: they get archived in the -changes MLs for Ubuntu [02:10] jwendell: Thanks. [02:11] LaserJock: oh ok [02:11] they might be somewhere on LP too but that's the easiest place I know of to get them [02:11] :( === jmg stabs xorg === jmg stabs gdm === fowlduck- [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] jmg: that's a good way to make a server [02:12] :-) [02:12] LaserJock: indeed [02:12] haha :P [02:12] TheMuso, geser just uploaded exaile [02:12] Ok. [02:13] LaserJock: I set up Xephyr to do what i want (leave my TV free of GDM, not allow the mouse cursor to jump to that display), then I found Xephyr didnt support GLX or xv. === geser [i=mb@2002:5361:2a04:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] geser: nice ipv6 :) [02:14] O xorg, thou all destroying yet unconquering whale, from hells heart I stab at thee. === pragmatine [n=alex@60-242-73-75.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] jwendell: Any reason why you changed the recommends for libjcalendar from mozilla | www-browser to www-browser only? [02:16] TheMuso, mozilla does not exist anymore === pragmatine [n=alex@60-242-73-75.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:17] jwendell: Well I think it should be documented in the changelog. [02:17] ajmitch, wake? [02:18] TheMuso, you're right. Do you want me do that or want do to by yourself? [02:18] hey is there a ubuntu centric X channel? [02:19] jwendell: Plesae do and upload new debdiff to the bu. [02:19] TheMuso, ok [02:19] please do and upload it to the bug. [02:19] jmg: #ubuntu ? :-) [02:19] imbrandon: do you want to run this on the actual archive machines? [02:19] LaserJock: they dont have the expertise i need [02:19] or a mirror [02:19] either === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] jmg: then I think #ubuntu-devel would be the devel channel [02:19] ok hold on [02:20] i'm makin my own lintian.debian.org [02:20] nice [02:20] only better hopefully [02:20] imbrandon: we should have our own PTS [02:20] ? [02:21] like debian's PTS, just ubuntu-ish and cool [02:21] LaserJock: :) [02:21] pts? but yea i agree ;) [02:21] Package Tracking System, packages.qa.debian.org [02:22] ahh yea [02:22] I wanted to do one [02:22] with changelogs [02:22] and a whiteboard/MOTU area [02:23] ;) [02:24] i wish i could find the scripts that are runing lintian.debian.org #debian said they are in svn/cvs but i cant find anything on svn.d.o or alioth.d.o [02:25] can DD's log onto the web boxen? [02:25] probably [02:25] DD's are gods [02:26] imbrandon: oh you are going to get those? [02:26] ah ok === joejaxx started scripting lol [02:27] joejaxx, i dont know if i can get those [02:27] TheMuso, bug 76974 [02:27] Malone bug 76974 in libjcalendar-java "drags in obsolete j2re1.4" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76974 [02:27] jwendell: I have the bug open. Thanks. [02:28] jwendell: rbbr uploaded. [02:28] TheMuso, thanks [02:28] jwendell: np [02:29] imbrandon: hold on i will bbl [02:30] heh [02:30] is he going to run to the box and put them on a floppy? [02:30] :-) [02:30] hahaha [02:31] jwendell: Have you tested building a source/binary package for libjcalendar-java? [02:31] I get this error: You must specify a valid JAVA_HOME or JAVACMD! [02:31] and im back [02:31] jwendell: ^^ [02:31] hows it going....FINALLY got my kid to bed [02:32] TheMuso, do you have jdk installed? [02:32] jwendell: Just fetching build-deps now, and will try again. === bddebian feels so useless lately :-( === LaserJock whispers "fix some bugs" in bddebian's ear [02:34] hey muso: i could use another pointer...I'm looking all over the docs tring to find some kind of information. I'm about to give up the learning experance and just get the new alternative cd and customize that one [02:35] wick2o: On how to rebuild debian installer? [02:36] ya, [02:36] bddebian: file an UVF exception for guessnet 0.42-1 [02:37] sorry, i dont mean to be dense, just in uncharted realm for me [02:37] bddebian: this would fix http://bugs.debian.org/400866 from ajmitch's list [02:38] yes master... [02:38] someone should write a book "how to make your own ubuntu based install cd" :) [02:39] I think joejaxx could probably do that [02:39] and id pay for that kind of book, ive been looking all over the place for information [02:39] wick2o: like these? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06 and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization [02:39] Flannel, thats where i got my start [02:39] I have a hard enough time dealing with Ubuntu itself [02:40] wick2o: Ok if I take this to a PM? [02:40] TheMuso, thats not a problem [02:44] ok i am back === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] must have ran pretty fast ;-) [02:46] *run [02:46] lool [02:48] oh wow [02:48] lintian.d.o has them all nice and neat [02:48] well this is going to be concept code [02:49] so i will work on the nice layout stuff after i have a working concept [02:50] What do we do about translation bugs? Subscribe the appropriate translator team? [02:50] joejaxx, i got it :) [02:51] well mostly [02:51] oh ok [02:51] :) === Ademan_brb [n=dan@h-67-101-145-200.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] ugh [03:00] am i stupid or what [03:00] ? :\ [03:00] someone wanna tell me what i'm reading wrong here in the man page [03:01] LINTIAN_DIST="/storage/websites/mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu" [03:01] brandon@voyager:~$ lintian -S [03:01] internal error: No packages file /dists//storage/websites/mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu//binary-i386/Packages [03:01] internal error: cannot create binary package list === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] http://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch3.html === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] looks like that should be feisty [03:03] You seem to be missing the dists/feisty bit at the end of LINTIAN_DIST. [03:03] i tried that too [03:03] hrm [03:04] brandon@voyager:~$ lintian -S [03:04] internal error: No packages file /dists//storage/websites/mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty//binary-i386/Packages [03:04] internal error: cannot create binary package list [03:04] keeps wanting to put a /dists/ in front of it [03:04] well looking at that [03:04] that variable is supposed to be "feisty" [03:04] but [03:04] LINTIAN_DIST should just be feisty, and there's another thing you'll need to set for the mirror root, I'd guess. [03:05] i wonder why it does not ask you the section [03:05] ie it will then say [03:05] /dists/feisty//binary-i386/Packages [03:05] because it does not have the sections [03:05] ie main/universe/etc [03:05] hmm [03:05] Those are components, not sections, aren't they? [03:06] i might have the term wrong [03:06] It seems some things call them sections, others not. How strange. [03:07] hrm i think i got it [03:07] LINTIAN_DIST="feisty" [03:08] LINTIAN_ARCHIVEDIR="/storage/websites/mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu" [03:08] LINTIAN_SECTION="main" [03:08] That looks right. [03:08] ahh [03:08] yeap :) [03:08] there we go :) [03:08] i had to add those others from the man page, the script dosent have them [03:08] heh [03:09] imbrandon: :P [03:09] its running now , i guess we'll see in a few [03:09] :) [03:09] wish i could specify the section on the command line, hrm === imbrandon control-c [03:09] imbrandon: just just finished my little lintian script [03:10] to run the whole thing ? [03:10] it goes through the repository [03:10] and lintian's the packages [03:11] right now i am running it on a small local repository that i have on my computer [03:11] what does it download each one ? [03:11] it is running it on a local repository [03:11] imbrandon: i thought you wanted it to run on a physical mirror [03:12] you would still need dist etc otherwise it will do too many versions [03:12] yeah [03:12] brb [03:12] ok [03:29] quick question: are there seed files for feisty and if so where? [03:30] TheMuso, i'm gonna sleep [03:30] jwendell: Ok. Libjcalendar-java uploaded. [03:30] TheMuso, oh, great [03:31] TheMuso, thanks and good night [03:31] jwendell: Good night, and no problem. === slomo__ [n=slomo@pd95450ee.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] the lintian is almost done === Tonio_ [n=tonio@85.114.38.90] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] good n8 every1 :) [03:48] Good Night pochu [03:49] night joejaxx [03:49] chillywilly, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds.ubuntu.com/ is where some are, not sure when they are updated [03:51] I basically want a minimal package list to build a system [03:52] no fiesty in there but I suppose that's because it's not released? [03:53] hnmm, there was some tool I used last time to download a bunch of things [03:53] I think it was the tool that uses the seed files [03:53] debootstrap? [03:53] what tool uses the seed files? [03:53] that wasn't it [03:53] germinate === chillywilly is actually working on a conary Debian/Ubuntu based system [03:54] yep [03:54] that was it === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-180-66-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] one sec [03:56] here are the upto date ones [03:56] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ [03:56] thanks [03:57] now all I have to do is remind myself how what germinate does and how to use it ;) [03:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement [03:57] something like that :) [03:57] thanks [03:58] off for a nap, gnight all === andrewski [n=andrewsk@c-71-230-143-253.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] hello... i have a debdiff for a package that i'm interested in rolling into a package. can someone help me do that? [04:05] the packaging guide mentions it a little bit, but not too much. :-/ [04:06] andrewski: Is this for feisty? [04:06] TheMuso: well, the debdiff is attached to a bug on feisty, yes. [04:06] Whats the bug number? [04:07] grrr imbrandon left already :( [04:07] TheMuso: h/o, it seems to have escaped me for the moment. :P [04:07] Whats the package name? [04:07] banshee [04:08] Ok just a sec. [04:08] TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/87299 [04:08] Malone bug 87299 in banshee "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:09] i'm certainly willing to help it get patched for feisty, but if i'm reading the guide correctly, a debdiff is the last thing a non-dev/MOTU can do? [04:10] Thats the best way to submit a fix, complete with packaging changes, yes. [04:10] ok, cool. so is it possible to take those changes and generate a package? [04:11] I'm about to have a look now. [04:11] ok :) [04:12] hmm... this doesn't show up in the "official" (help.ubuntu.com) packaging guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff?highlight=%28debdiff%29 [04:13] !packagingguide [04:13] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [04:14] andrewski: Have you seen that URL for the packagingguide? If so, are they the same? [04:14] TheMuso: no, they're not the same... that's the "official" (i-can't-edit-it) one, the other one's on the wiki. [04:15] I know the link you posted is a wiki link. [04:15] But I am referring to the URL I got ubotu to give out. [04:15] yes, the doc.u.com is the same as the help.u.com one that i found on google. [04:15] hmm i had wanted to ask imbrandon how the output looked for his l.d.o version [04:16] andrewski: Ok. The best thing to do is contact the authors of the guide and ask them to add a reference to that wiki page. [04:16] TheMuso: ok, will do. thanks. :) if i have any trouble with the wiki page instructions, is this still the place to ask? [04:17] andrewski: As for the bug, I'd rather not touch it athis point, as the person who works on the package the most knows a lot more about mono apps than I do, and would have a much better idea of whether its worth committing the patch. [04:17] Sure. [04:17] understood... i wasn't fishing for someone to fix it now. :) [04:18] thanks for the help... i'm slowly learning the ropes! [04:18] He would also have been notified of the bug, so it is known by someone who works on the package. [04:18] right [04:18] andrewski: Ok. [04:18] andrewski: You're welcome. === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jmg runs out of steam hacking X and drinks a beer [04:24] TheMuso: do you think this format would suffice? [04:24] package (version) [04:24] lintian output [04:24] \n [04:27] joejaxx: For what? [04:27] for lintian reports [04:27] I guess so, I don't really know what you are trying to achieve. [04:28] hmm i should have ran this on a repo with multiple versions of one package so you could see [04:28] TheMuso: basically: [04:28] lintian/packagename [04:28]