[12:17] <keescook> imbrandon: don't get to far with 94353; I already took care of it.  :)
[12:34] <DktrKranz> hi guys, tonight i worked on some unmdetdeps bugs
[12:34] <DktrKranz> i will be grateful if you could review some of them
[12:35] <DktrKranz> see you, good night :)
[12:36] <wick2o> hello
[12:38] <joejaxx> hello
[12:38] <TheMuso> Hey wick2o 
[12:38] <wick2o> hows it going?
[12:38] <TheMuso> Well thanks. Yourself?
[12:38] <wick2o> I'm doing already
[12:39] <wick2o> i hear this is the place to start if you want more involved in ubuntu
[12:40] <wick2o> im tring to create an install cd that i dont have to apt-get dist-upgrade after the install
[12:40] <wick2o> debconf seems to be broken if i just put the new packages on the cd
[12:40] <wick2o> (following the wiki howto works fine)
[12:40] <TheMuso> You can't just put the packages onto the CD.
[12:40] <TheMuso> You need to regenerate the package metadata.
[12:40] <joejaxx> yeap
[12:40] <TheMuso> WHich is in the dists directory.
[12:41] <wick2o> yes, im aware of that
[12:41] <TheMuso> wick2o: Unless you are willing to spend lots of time rebuilding the CD, I would suggest just installing from the CD, and upgrading.
[12:41] <pochu> hey folks, how can I output the terminal to a file?
[12:41] <wick2o> TheMuso, i have already spent the time rebuilding the cd :)
[12:41] <TheMuso> Its not worth the headache.
[12:42] <pochu> appart of command > file, and command | tee file
[12:42] <wick2o> i followed the tut on the wiki and it works perfectly
[12:42] <pochu> there is another way, isn't there?
[12:42] <wick2o> i have a perfectly preseeded cd based off of 6.06.1
[12:42] <wick2o> ive even added packages and the complete install works GREAT
[12:42] <pochu> something like command 2&>1 file, or something like that
[12:42] <TheMuso> wick2o: Is there a reason why you'd rather stick to dapper?
[12:43] <wick2o> im just a fan of LTS and i know it works perfectly for what i want to use it for
[12:43] <wick2o> after my install i did an apt-get -ys dist-upgrade > results
[12:43] <wick2o> and manually downloaed the new debs
[12:43] <wick2o> for EVERYTHING that it wasd going to update
[12:43] <wick2o> rebuilt the cd
[12:44] <wick2o> and the install nolonger sees the nic or can mount the harddrive to do parittioning
[12:44] <TheMuso> Without knowing just how you have gone about things, I can't comment.
[12:44] <TheMuso> And I don't have much experience in rebuilding an installCD.
[12:44] <wick2o> TheMuso, im getting the wiki url now..one moment
[12:47] <wick2o> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[12:48] <wick2o> this is exactly what i did to get my working copy
[12:48] <wick2o> (i know for sure it works because i used it on 6 installs)
[12:49] <wick2o> TheMuso, im just glad to have found 1 other person who even talks to me about this
[12:49] <wick2o> :)
[12:52] <wick2o> what im tring to do is create my own 6.06.2 that has all of the current updates for dapper 
[12:52] <wick2o> i did some looking into jidgo but that seems to only for the the latest and greatest
[12:54] <TheMuso> wick2o: Ok now that I have an understanding of what that guide shows you, what exactly is the problem?
[12:55] <wick2o> like ive said, following that got me a working dapper-server install cd with my custom preseed on it which solved half of my problem
[12:56] <wick2o> now i want to take it one step farther so i dont have to apt-get -y dist-upgrade after the install
[12:56] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:56] <wick2o> so i did an apt-get -ys dist-upgrade > results
[12:56] <wick2o> and manuallly downloaded all the debs from ubuntu archive using wget
[12:56] <wick2o> and placed them in the correct places manually and then deleted the old ones
[12:56] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:57] <wick2o> then i rebuild the repostitory on the cd
[12:57] <wick2o> then created the iso
[12:58] <TheMuso> And you can't see your drives is that right?
[12:58] <wick2o> well when i boot of the cd and start the install all is well
[12:58] <wick2o> the first problem pops up when it tries to configure the network
[12:58] <wick2o> it now tells me it cant find the network cards
[12:59] <TheMuso> wick2o: I think you need to rebuild the debian installer image.
[12:59] <wick2o> which my orignal cd finds no problem
[12:59] <TheMuso> wick2o: So you need to apt-get source debian-installer ; apt-get build-dep debian-installer and rebuild debian-installer.
[12:59] <TheMuso> This creates a new set of files that need to be placed onto the CD.
[01:00] <TheMuso> Unfortunately I'm about to head away from the computer for now, but I will be back shortly.
[01:00] <wick2o> I'll be here most of tonight
[01:00] <wick2o> ill look into this info you have giving me
[01:01] <wick2o> i had no idea that the installer would have to be rebuilt as well
[01:01] <wick2o> but i guess if i put a new kerel on the cd itslef that may make sense
[01:01] <wick2o> but if i may i have one quick question...
[01:01] <wick2o> does the rebuild of that package have to be done on the same us/version + updates as the new cd will be?
[01:02] <wick2o> or can i use my current desktop install?
[01:17] <imbrandon> ...
[01:18] <wick2o> hello imbrandon 
[01:18] <imbrandon> hello
[01:38] <kofler> What does this mean? debian-files-list-in-source
[01:38] <kofler> Is there a list of Lintian errors somewhere?
[01:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:40] <Jucato> moin bddebian
[01:41] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[01:41] <Jucato> hehe :)
[01:42] <joejaxx> hello bddebian :)
[01:42] <somerville32> moo
[01:42] <joejaxx> somerville32: lol
[01:43] <joejaxx> one more package to build and then on to create the discs :)
[01:46] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx, somerville32
[01:46] <LaserJock> kofler: generally lintian -i give as much explanation as can be given
[01:46] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[01:48] <LaserJock> ok, so I wonder if I should be testing if php4->php5 actually works in these packages
[01:48] <somerville32> So, what is there to do at this stage of the game?
[01:48] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i was asking ajmitch the same thing the other dayaha :P
[01:49] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:49] <LaserJock> joejaxx: what did he say?
[01:49] <LaserJock> *meh* ? :-)
[01:49] <joejaxx> he said some code is not yet compatible with php5 :(
[01:49] <LaserJock> yeah, but what are we going to do in that case?
[01:50] <LaserJock> drop the package or ....
[01:50] <joejaxx> i do not know
[01:50] <LaserJock> I guess my question is if php4 is really going to be removed for Feisty
[01:50] <LaserJock> cause if it is then we can't have packages deping on it I'm guessing
[01:51] <joejaxx> yeah
[01:51] <LaserJock> so they'll either work or break
[01:51] <joejaxx> i wonder what we should do
[01:51] <bddebian> fix it
[01:52] <bddebian> :)
[01:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, I'm more concerned with what to do with sponsor requests
[01:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: Why?
[01:53] <LaserJock> people are putting up s/php4/php5/ debdiffs
[01:53] <LaserJock> I wonder how much I'm supposed to test it
[01:53] <bddebian> Oh
[01:53] <LaserJock> I mean if it's FTBFS then it's obviously a problem
[01:54] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I guess the first place to start is the upstream website for the package, and the docs to see whether php5 is supported for that version.
[01:54] <TheMuso> If not, I guess an UVF is needed to get php5 support.
[01:54] <LaserJock> TheMuso: ah, good point
[01:54] <TheMuso> LaserJock: php packages can't really be FTBFS.
[01:54] <LaserJock> lot of work though
[01:54] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I don't really see any other way around it.
[01:54] <LaserJock> TheMuso: sure they can, just not the php part
[01:54] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:54] <TheMuso> heh
[01:55] <LaserJock> hi Jucato 
[01:55] <Jucato> hello :)
[01:57] <imbrandon> hrm isnt there a way to run lintian on the whole archive ?
[01:58] <bddebian> Sure, have fun :-)
[01:58] <Jucato> O.o
[01:58] <joejaxx> imbrandon: lol have fun with that :P
[01:58] <joejaxx> hold on let me see
[01:59] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: you asked why 1.1.1 iceape doesnt build? well i can give you more details mid next week but i have a feeling its a patch or rules file. i got rid of the failing on xpcom now its sqlite.h issue (
[02:00] <TheMuso> Damn openoffice!
[02:00] <joejaxx> TheMuso: lol
[02:00] <TheMuso> Just so damn big to download.
[02:00] <gnomefreak> asac is gonna try to build it on his sytem this weekend so i will have more info on it next week. debian maintainers state it builds fine :(
[02:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: sure, I think Debian does that
[02:01] <bddebian> Doesn't seem like it from some of the packages I've seen ;-)
[02:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock, last time i seen them do it was 1999
[02:01] <gnomefreak> expect it in feisty+1 atm. ok bed time night all
[02:01] <bddebian> Gnight gnomefreak
[02:01] <imbrandon> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/04/msg00127.html
[02:01] <LaserJock> bddebian: they do it, doesn't mean the pay attentionn to it ;-)
[02:01] <bddebian> heh
[02:01] <jwendell> hi, TheMuso 
[02:02] <imbrandon> hrm
[02:02] <TheMuso> jwendell: Hi. Just fetching updates, and I'll look at more of your stuff. :)
[02:02] <LaserJock> it should be simple enough to do if you have a local repo mirror
[02:02] <jwendell> TheMuso, wow you're really fast!
[02:02] <joejaxx> imbrandon: the by-maintainer part is funny
[02:04] <LaserJock> bah, I can't see anywhere in the freeradius source or website where it even mentions php deps
[02:04] <LaserJock> but I already uploaded it so it'll just have to work ;-)
[02:05] <joejaxx> ;0
[02:05] <joejaxx> ;)    *
[02:05] <LaserJock> upload first, then ask questions ;-)
[02:06] <bddebian> LaserJock: If it builds, it works, right? ;-)
[02:06] <TheMuso> haha
[02:06] <LaserJock> heck yeah
[02:06] <imbrandon> lol
[02:06] <LaserJock> well, I do check both build and install
[02:06] <bddebian> sicko
[02:06] <LaserJock> but I can't check actual function most of the time
[02:06] <LaserJock> I don't even know what the packages do
[02:06] <LaserJock> let along know how to test them
[02:07] <joejaxx> lol
[02:07] <LaserJock> the curse of team maintanence
[02:08] <joejaxx> :P
[02:08] <LaserJock> on a brighter note though, I just got the ok from my boss for UDS
[02:09] <joejaxx> yay
[02:09] <joejaxx> hmm
[02:09] <joejaxx> where are the .changes keep?
[02:10] <LaserJock> what do you mean?
[02:10] <TheMuso> jwendell: Could you please point me to any remaining bugs you have added diffs for that are still open and haven't been uploaded?
[02:10] <joejaxx> LaserJock: like slim_1.2.6-0fluxbuntu1_i386.changes
[02:10] <jwendell> TheMuso, https://launchpad.net/~wendell/+assignedbugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress
[02:10] <LaserJock> joejaxx: they get archived in the -changes MLs for Ubuntu
[02:10] <TheMuso> jwendell: Thanks.
[02:11] <joejaxx> LaserJock: oh ok
[02:11] <LaserJock> they might be somewhere on LP too but that's the easiest place I know of to get them
[02:11] <jmg> :(
[02:12] <LaserJock> jmg: that's a good way to make a server
[02:12] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:12] <jmg> LaserJock: indeed
[02:12] <joejaxx> haha :P
[02:12] <jwendell> TheMuso,  geser just uploaded exaile
[02:12] <TheMuso> Ok.
[02:13] <jmg> LaserJock: I set up Xephyr to do what i want (leave my TV free of GDM, not allow the mouse cursor to jump to that display), then I found Xephyr didnt support GLX or xv.
[02:13] <joejaxx> geser: nice ipv6 :)
[02:14] <jmg> O xorg, thou all destroying yet unconquering whale, from hells heart I stab at thee.
[02:15] <TheMuso> jwendell: Any reason why you changed the recommends for libjcalendar from mozilla | www-browser to www-browser only?
[02:16] <jwendell> TheMuso, mozilla does not exist anymore
[02:17] <TheMuso> jwendell: Well I think it should be documented in the changelog.
[02:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch, wake?
[02:18] <jwendell> TheMuso, you're right. Do you want me do that or want do to by yourself?
[02:18] <jmg> hey is there a ubuntu centric X channel?
[02:19] <TheMuso> jwendell: Plesae do and upload new debdiff to the bu.
[02:19] <jwendell> TheMuso, ok
[02:19] <TheMuso> please do and upload it to the bug.
[02:19] <LaserJock> jmg: #ubuntu ? :-)
[02:19] <joejaxx> imbrandon: do you want to run this on the actual archive machines?
[02:19] <jmg> LaserJock: they dont have the expertise i need
[02:19] <joejaxx> or a mirror
[02:19] <imbrandon> either
[02:19] <LaserJock> jmg: then I think #ubuntu-devel would be the devel channel
[02:19] <joejaxx> ok hold on
[02:20] <imbrandon> i'm makin my own lintian.debian.org
[02:20] <joejaxx> nice
[02:20] <imbrandon> only better hopefully
[02:20] <LaserJock> imbrandon: we should have our own PTS
[02:20] <imbrandon> ?
[02:21] <LaserJock> like debian's PTS, just ubuntu-ish and cool
[02:21] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :)
[02:21] <imbrandon> pts? but yea i agree ;)
[02:21] <LaserJock> Package Tracking System, packages.qa.debian.org
[02:22] <imbrandon> ahh yea
[02:22] <LaserJock> I wanted to do one
[02:22] <LaserJock> with changelogs
[02:22] <LaserJock> and a whiteboard/MOTU area
[02:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:24] <imbrandon> i wish i could find the scripts that are runing lintian.debian.org #debian said they are in svn/cvs but i cant find anything on svn.d.o or alioth.d.o
[02:25] <imbrandon> can DD's log onto the web boxen?
[02:25] <LaserJock> probably
[02:25] <LaserJock> DD's are gods
[02:26] <joejaxx> imbrandon: oh you are going to get those?
[02:26] <joejaxx> ah ok
[02:27] <imbrandon> joejaxx, i dont know if i can get those
[02:27] <jwendell> TheMuso, bug 76974
[02:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 76974 in libjcalendar-java "drags in obsolete j2re1.4" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76974
[02:27] <TheMuso> jwendell: I have the bug open. Thanks.
[02:28] <TheMuso> jwendell: rbbr uploaded.
[02:28] <jwendell> TheMuso, thanks
[02:28] <TheMuso> jwendell: np
[02:29] <joejaxx> imbrandon: hold on i will bbl
[02:30] <LaserJock> heh
[02:30] <LaserJock> is he going to run to the box and put them on a floppy?
[02:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:30] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:31] <TheMuso> jwendell: Have you tested building a source/binary package for libjcalendar-java?
[02:31] <TheMuso> I get this error: You must specify a valid JAVA_HOME or JAVACMD!
[02:31] <wick2o> and im back
[02:31] <TheMuso> jwendell: ^^
[02:31] <wick2o> hows it going....FINALLY got my kid to bed
[02:32] <jwendell> TheMuso, do you have jdk installed?
[02:32] <TheMuso> jwendell: Just fetching build-deps now, and will try again.
[02:34] <wick2o> hey muso: i could use another pointer...I'm looking all over the docs tring to find some kind of information.  I'm about to give up the learning experance and just get the new alternative cd and customize that one
[02:35] <TheMuso> wick2o: On how to rebuild debian installer?
[02:36] <wick2o> ya, 
[02:36] <geser> bddebian: file an UVF exception for guessnet 0.42-1
[02:37] <wick2o> sorry, i dont mean to be dense, just in uncharted realm for me
[02:37] <geser> bddebian: this would fix http://bugs.debian.org/400866 from ajmitch's list
[02:38] <bddebian> yes master...
[02:38] <wick2o> someone should write a book "how to make your own ubuntu based install cd" :)
[02:39] <LaserJock> I think joejaxx could probably do that
[02:39] <wick2o> and id pay for that kind of book, ive been looking all over the place for information
[02:39] <Flannel> wick2o: like these? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06  and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[02:39] <wick2o> Flannel, thats where i got my start
[02:39] <LaserJock> I have a hard enough time dealing with Ubuntu itself
[02:40] <TheMuso> wick2o: Ok if I take this to a PM?
[02:40] <wick2o> TheMuso,  thats not a problem
[02:44] <joejaxx> ok i am back
[02:46] <LaserJock> must have ran pretty fast ;-)
[02:46] <LaserJock> *run
[02:46] <joejaxx> lool
[02:48] <joejaxx> oh wow
[02:48] <joejaxx> lintian.d.o has them all nice and neat
[02:48] <joejaxx> well this is going to be concept code
[02:49] <joejaxx> so i will work on the nice layout stuff after i have a working concept
[02:50] <Fujitsu> What do we do about translation bugs? Subscribe the appropriate translator team?
[02:50] <imbrandon> joejaxx, i got it :)
[02:51] <imbrandon> well mostly
[02:51] <joejaxx> oh ok
[02:51] <joejaxx> :)
[03:00] <imbrandon> ugh
[03:00] <imbrandon> am i stupid or what
[03:00] <joejaxx> ? :\
[03:00] <imbrandon> someone wanna tell me what i'm reading wrong here in the man page
[03:01] <imbrandon> LINTIAN_DIST="/storage/websites/mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu"
[03:01] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ lintian -S
[03:01] <imbrandon> internal error: No packages file /dists//storage/websites/mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu//binary-i386/Packages
[03:01] <imbrandon> internal error: cannot create binary package list
[03:02] <imbrandon> http://lintian.debian.org/manual/ch3.html
[03:03] <joejaxx> looks like that should be feisty
[03:03] <Fujitsu> You seem to be missing the dists/feisty bit at the end of LINTIAN_DIST.
[03:03] <imbrandon> i tried that too
[03:03] <imbrandon> hrm
[03:04] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ lintian -S
[03:04] <imbrandon> internal error: No packages file /dists//storage/websites/mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty//binary-i386/Packages
[03:04] <imbrandon> internal error: cannot create binary package list
[03:04] <imbrandon> keeps wanting to put a /dists/ in front of it
[03:04] <joejaxx> well looking at that
[03:04] <joejaxx> that variable is supposed to be "feisty"
[03:04] <joejaxx> but
[03:04] <Fujitsu> LINTIAN_DIST should just be feisty, and there's another thing you'll need to set for the mirror root, I'd guess.
[03:05] <joejaxx> i wonder why it does not ask you the section
[03:05] <joejaxx> ie it will then say
[03:05] <joejaxx> /dists/feisty//binary-i386/Packages
[03:05] <joejaxx> because it does not have the sections
[03:05] <joejaxx> ie main/universe/etc
[03:05] <joejaxx> hmm
[03:05] <Fujitsu> Those are components, not sections, aren't they?
[03:06] <joejaxx> i might have the term wrong
[03:06] <Fujitsu> It seems some things call them sections, others not. How strange.
[03:07] <imbrandon> hrm i think i got it
[03:07] <imbrandon> LINTIAN_DIST="feisty"
[03:08] <imbrandon> LINTIAN_ARCHIVEDIR="/storage/websites/mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu"
[03:08] <imbrandon> LINTIAN_SECTION="main"
[03:08] <Fujitsu> That looks right.
[03:08] <joejaxx> ahh
[03:08] <joejaxx> yeap :)
[03:08] <joejaxx> there we go :)
[03:08] <imbrandon> i had to add those others from the man page, the script dosent have them
[03:08] <imbrandon> heh
[03:09] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :P
[03:09] <imbrandon> its running now , i guess we'll see in a few 
[03:09] <joejaxx> :)
[03:09] <imbrandon> wish i could specify the section on the command line, hrm
[03:09] <joejaxx> imbrandon: just just finished my little lintian script
[03:10] <imbrandon> to run the whole thing ?
[03:10] <joejaxx> it goes through the repository
[03:10] <joejaxx> and lintian's the packages
[03:11] <joejaxx> right now i am running it on a small local repository that i have on my computer
[03:11] <imbrandon> what does it download each one ? 
[03:11] <joejaxx> it is running it on a local repository
[03:11] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i thought you wanted it to run on a physical mirror
[03:12] <imbrandon> you would still need dist etc otherwise it will do too many versions
[03:12] <joejaxx> yeah
[03:12] <imbrandon> brb
[03:12] <joejaxx> ok
[03:29] <chillywilly> quick question: are there seed files for feisty and if so where?
[03:30] <jwendell> TheMuso, i'm gonna sleep
[03:30] <TheMuso> jwendell: Ok. Libjcalendar-java uploaded.
[03:30] <jwendell> TheMuso, oh, great
[03:31] <jwendell> TheMuso, thanks and good night
[03:31] <TheMuso> jwendell: Good night, and no problem.
[03:46] <joejaxx> the lintian is almost done
[03:48] <pochu> good n8 every1 :)
[03:48] <joejaxx> Good Night pochu 
[03:49] <pochu> night joejaxx
[03:49] <imbrandon> chillywilly, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds.ubuntu.com/ is where some are, not sure when they are updated
[03:51] <chillywilly> I basically want a minimal package list to build a system
[03:52] <chillywilly> no fiesty in there but I suppose that's because it's not released?
[03:53] <chillywilly> hnmm, there was some tool I used last time to download a bunch of things
[03:53] <chillywilly> I think it was the tool that uses the seed files
[03:53] <jmg> debootstrap?
[03:53] <chillywilly> what tool uses the seed files?
[03:53] <chillywilly> that wasn't it
[03:53] <imbrandon> germinate
[03:54] <chillywilly> yep
[03:54] <chillywilly> that was it
[03:55] <imbrandon> one sec
[03:56] <imbrandon> here are the upto date ones
[03:56] <imbrandon> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/
[03:56] <chillywilly> thanks
[03:57] <chillywilly> now all I have to do is remind myself how what germinate does and how to use it ;)
[03:57] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[03:57] <chillywilly> something like that :)
[03:57] <chillywilly> thanks
[03:58] <imbrandon> off for a nap, gnight all
[04:05] <andrewski> hello... i have a debdiff for a package that i'm interested in rolling into a package. can someone help me do that?
[04:05] <andrewski> the packaging guide mentions it a little bit, but not too much. :-/
[04:06] <TheMuso> andrewski: Is this for feisty?
[04:06] <andrewski> TheMuso: well, the debdiff is attached to a bug on feisty, yes.
[04:06] <TheMuso> Whats the bug number?
[04:07] <joejaxx> grrr imbrandon left already :(
[04:07] <andrewski> TheMuso: h/o, it seems to have escaped me for the moment. :P
[04:07] <TheMuso> Whats the package name?
[04:07] <andrewski> banshee
[04:08] <TheMuso> Ok just a sec.
[04:08] <andrewski> TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/87299
[04:08] <ubotu> Malone bug 87299 in banshee "Multimedia keys not working in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[04:09] <andrewski> i'm certainly willing to help it get patched for feisty, but if i'm reading the guide correctly, a debdiff is the last thing a non-dev/MOTU can do?
[04:10] <TheMuso> Thats the best way to submit a fix, complete with packaging changes, yes.
[04:10] <andrewski> ok, cool. so is it possible to take those changes and generate a package?
[04:11] <TheMuso> I'm about to have a look now.
[04:11] <andrewski> ok :)
[04:12] <andrewski> hmm... this doesn't show up in the "official" (help.ubuntu.com) packaging guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide/BuildFromDebdiff?highlight=%28debdiff%29
[04:13] <TheMuso> !packagingguide
[04:13] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[04:14] <TheMuso> andrewski: Have you seen that URL for the packagingguide? If so, are they the same?
[04:14] <andrewski> TheMuso: no, they're not the same... that's the "official" (i-can't-edit-it) one, the other one's on the wiki.
[04:15] <TheMuso> I know the link you posted is a wiki link.
[04:15] <TheMuso> But I am referring to the URL I got ubotu to give out.
[04:15] <andrewski> yes, the doc.u.com is the same as the help.u.com one that i found on google.
[04:15] <joejaxx> hmm i had wanted to ask imbrandon how the output looked for his l.d.o version
[04:16] <TheMuso> andrewski: Ok. The best thing to do is contact the authors of the guide and ask them to add a reference to that wiki page.
[04:16] <andrewski> TheMuso: ok, will do. thanks. :) if i have any trouble with the wiki page instructions, is this still the place to ask?
[04:17] <TheMuso> andrewski: As for the bug, I'd rather not touch it athis point, as the person who works on the package the most knows a lot more about mono apps than I do, and would have a much better idea of whether its worth committing the patch.
[04:17] <TheMuso> Sure.
[04:17] <andrewski> understood... i wasn't fishing for someone to fix it now. :)
[04:18] <andrewski> thanks for the help... i'm slowly learning the ropes!
[04:18] <TheMuso> He would also have been notified of the bug, so it is known by someone who works on the package.
[04:18] <andrewski> right
[04:18] <TheMuso> andrewski: Ok.
[04:18] <TheMuso> andrewski: You're welcome.
[04:24] <joejaxx> TheMuso: do you think this format would suffice?
[04:24] <joejaxx> package (version)
[04:24] <joejaxx> lintian output
[04:24] <joejaxx> \n
[04:27] <TheMuso> joejaxx: For what?
[04:27] <joejaxx> for lintian reports
[04:27] <TheMuso> I guess so, I don't really know what you are trying to achieve.
[04:28] <joejaxx> hmm i should have ran this on a repo with multiple versions of one package so you could see
[04:28] <joejaxx> TheMuso: basically:
[04:28] <joejaxx> lintian/packagename
[04:28] <joejaxx> and inside the packagename file would be that format
[04:28] <joejaxx> for every version of that package
[04:28] <joejaxx> the output for lintian
[04:29] <TheMuso> Yeah that sounds sane.
[04:29] <joejaxx> ok
[04:31] <joejaxx> wow some of these have alot of output
[04:37] <bddebian> Yep
[04:38] <joejaxx> http://joejaxx.org/lintian/tzdata
[04:39] <joejaxx> but that is because it has one for every tz
[04:53] <chillywilly> anyone know how I can invoke germinate on the fiesty minimal seed file?
[04:54] <chillywilly> I must be getting the syntax wrong
[04:55] <chillywilly> germinate -S http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.feisty/minimal -s fiesty -d fiesty -a i386
[04:55] <joejaxx> you spelled feisty wrong
[04:55] <joejaxx> you switched the i and the e 
[04:56] <chillywilly> bah
[04:56] <chillywilly> :P
[04:56] <chillywilly> thanks
[04:56] <joejaxx> you are most welcome :)
[05:11] <poningru> any ops?
[05:11] <poningru> need someone in #ubuntu
[05:12] <joejaxx> poningru: you want to ask in #ubuntu-ops
[05:13] <chillywilly> ok well I ran germinate and all it really did was pull all the seed files...I thought there was something I ran a long while ago to install the package source of all packages + dependencies in a seed file
[05:14] <chillywilly> like if I want the package source for all "minimal" packages + dependencies
[05:16] <joejaxx> what are you trying to do now?
[05:16] <chillywilly> download the packafe source for all feisty minimal packages + dependencies
[05:16] <chillywilly> package*
[05:17] <joejaxx> what do you mean by package source?
[05:17] <joejaxx> the actual code?
[05:17] <chillywilly> apt-get source foo
[05:17] <joejaxx> hmm
[05:17] <chillywilly> pretty sure that's what I had downloaded last
[05:17] <chillywilly> time
[05:18] <chillywilly> has .dsc, tarball, etc. for each package in the minimal seed file
[05:18] <chillywilly> I don't remember what I ran to download all of that
[05:20] <chillywilly> I think I'll read my ajmitch.log file ;)
[05:39] <poningru> anyone know why nvu isnt in feisty?
[05:40] <Fujitsu> RM: nvu -- RoM; abandoned upstream
[05:42] <joejaxx> poningru: i thought nvu turned into composer?
[05:43] <poningru> well yeah
[05:43] <poningru> but glazmon is working in another one
[05:43] <poningru> oh composer?
[05:43] <poningru> is that packaged?
[05:44] <poningru> nope
[05:45] <poningru> joejaxx, Fujitsu it is abandoned but unfortunately its the only wysiwyg html editor that is any good
[05:45] <RAOF> poningru: tonyyarosso was working on packaging Komposer
[05:46] <poningru> ah
[05:46] <RAOF> But apparently mozilla stuff is excreted by the devil to plague packagers.
[05:46] <poningru> hehe
[05:46] <poningru> will go bug asac
[05:46] <RAOF> How to package mozilla stuff?
[05:46] <joejaxx> javamaniac: haha nice nick :)
[05:47] <javamaniac> :D
[05:47] <chillywilly> fork it
[05:48] <chillywilly> bed time I think
[05:48] <poningru> RAOF: yeah
[05:54] <LaserJock> evening MOTU Land
[05:54] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :)
[05:58] <bddebian> wb LaserJock
[06:01] <RAOF> Afternoon LaserJock :)
[06:03] <LaserJock> man, life is so much better with mutt
[06:03] <LaserJock> I got all caught up with unread mail
[06:04] <joejaxx> lol :P
[06:05] <Hobbsee> hrm
[06:05] <Hobbsee> ?
[06:05] <RAOF> Hey Hobbsee
[06:05] <Hobbsee> heya RAOF 
[06:06] <joejaxx> RAOF: what does your nick stand for?
[06:07] <RAOF> Running Around On Fire.
[06:07] <joejaxx> ah ok :)
[06:07] <bddebian> Random Acts Of F...
[06:07] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: LaserJock is a mutt convert.
[06:08] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:08] <StevenK> It doesn't cache IMAP very well at all
[06:09] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:09] <StevenK> Whereas wanderlust does, but its cache sucks up .5Gb of diskspace
[06:09] <TheMuso> ouch.
[06:09] <poningru> thunbird++
[06:10] <joejaxx> lol
[06:10] <poningru> thunderbird*
[06:10] <joejaxx> more like telnet++
[06:10] <poningru> lol
[06:10] <StevenK> telnet doesn't cache either. :-P
[06:10] <poningru> you totally dont need any imap client
[06:10] <poningru> real men just telnet in
[06:10] <joejaxx> StevenK: boo lol :P
[06:10] <joejaxx> who needs cache?
[06:10] <joejaxx> :P
[06:11] <RAOF> Why is texmacs now in the Education menu?
[06:11] <TheMuso> RAOF: Because there was a bug filed about it.
[06:11] <LaserJock> bahhh
[06:11] <LaserJock> stupid Education menu
[06:11] <bddebian> heh
[06:12] <StevenK> TheMuso: user, pass, retr, dele, quit, what else is there? :-)
[06:12] <TheMuso> stat
[06:12] <StevenK> list
[06:12] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I used your and whiprush's muttrc to get mutt working a while ago
[06:13] <LaserJock> but I couldn't get the sending part working
[06:13] <LaserJock> but I finally got msmtp working
[06:13] <LaserJock> so it's IMAP and msmtp
[06:13] <TheMuso> Cool.
[06:14] <LaserJock> it is pretty cool
[06:16] <LaserJock> so that and my newly found ability to create new windows in screen has really rocked my Ubuntu world
[06:16] <joejaxx> :)
[06:17] <LaserJock> I was at the lab today and I went from computer to computer, OS X, XP, Ubuntu and I just ssh'd home and got my IRC, email, and pbuilders right there
[06:17] <TheMuso> Thats what rocks so much about having a text-mode email client.
[06:17] <StevenK> I wish screen would forget the environment it was created in.
[06:17] <joejaxx> text-mode window manager ftw :)
[06:18] <joejaxx> you all should try it
[06:18] <StevenK> I don't wish to have $DISPLAY set when I ssh in and screen -r
[06:18] <LaserJock> yeah, for a while this morning I was using elinks to get to LP iwth it too
[06:18] <LaserJock> but that's significantly more difficult than Firefox
[06:19] <bddebian> Hmm, another expiration message
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> For Nvu questions, you can now point people to !nvu, which instructs them to ping me for Feisty packages info.
[06:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, what have you got to do to get renewed?
[06:22] <bddebian> It doesn't really say
[06:22] <bddebian> I guess ajmitch will be happy when I'm gone :)
[06:22] <TheMuso> bddebian: Since you are in ubuntu-dev, you won't actually expire.
[06:22] <bddebian> TheMuso: ubuntu-dev is expiring as well
[06:23] <TheMuso> oh ok
[07:08] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:40] <joejaxx> grrr
[07:40] <joejaxx> i wonder why that is happening
[07:40] <joejaxx> unless usplash-theme-ubuntu is being pulled by something
[07:41] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: apt-cache rdepends is your friend
[07:41] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: :)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: :D
[07:41] <Hobbsee> useful bugger, that is.
[07:43] <joejaxx> hmmm
[07:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee, Hobbsee, Hobbsee!! :)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: ie, ubuntu-desktop
[07:44] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: yeah but i do not even have ubuntu-desktop installed
[07:44] <Hobbsee> ahh
[07:44] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: ubuntu-mythtv-frontend maybe?
[07:45] <Hobbsee> otherwise try removing it, and see what else it takes
[07:45] <joejaxx> gah!
[07:45] <Jucato> um general question: besides IRC, what are the other means through which a MOTU hopeful could get in touch with MOTU's? which is the preferred means?
[07:46] <joejaxx> i told the build daemon to include ubuntu-theme-ubuntu on the discs
[07:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: mailing list also works.  and irc
[07:46] <joejaxx> i mean
[07:46] <joejaxx> usplash-theme-ubuntu
[07:46] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: uhhh...great :P
[07:46] <joejaxx> instead of usplash-theme-fluxbuntu
[07:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: MOTU mentors, too - but this entire channel tends to be that
[07:46] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: ahhh.
[07:46] <joejaxx> grrrr
[07:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah. no forums? lol :P
[07:47] <Hobbsee> !new
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about new - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: urgh, no
[07:47] <Jucato> does the Mentor program have its own "place"? like own channel or own mailing list?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> dont think so
[07:47] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure how much teh mentor program is running
[07:47] <Jucato> ah ok. great! thanks!
[07:48] <Hobbsee> a good idea is just to ask in here :)
[07:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:49] <Jucato> I know :)
[07:53] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: so now i have to create another iso :P
[07:53] <Hobbsee> *runs*
[07:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:54] <LaserJock> Jucato: the email addresses of the mentors are on the Mentors page
[07:54] <Jucato> LaserJock: ah right... the instructions on how to contact them and what about, right?
[07:55] <LaserJock> well, it gives email addresses
[07:55] <Jucato> oh there you are :D
[07:56] <LaserJock> I'm eeeeevvverwhere :-)
[07:57] <Jucato> :D
[07:58] <Jucato> is it sort of, compulsory to go through mentorship first? or just super highly recommended?
[07:58] <Jucato> s/compulsory/necessary
[07:58] <LaserJock> not even that
[07:58] <LaserJock> I actually don't know many people that actually go through it
[07:59] <LaserJock> IMO, it's not one of our more successful programs
[07:59] <Jucato> ah. so it's there for a "just in case someone wants to" situation?
[07:59] <LaserJock> basically yeah
[07:59] <Jucato> hehe ok :)
[08:00] <joejaxx> LaserJock: http://fluxbuntu.org/fluxbuntu_704_pre-beta1.png :)
[08:01] <joejaxx> oh hold on that does not have the menu on it
[08:02] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ok this one: http://fluxbuntu.org/fluxbuntu_704_pre-beta2.png
[08:03] <RAOF> Huzzah.  Banshee now understands media keys :)
[08:03] <joejaxx> RAOF: nice
[08:03] <RAOF> Gnome bugzilla had a patch that was clearly wrong for Banshee trunk, but works fine for the Ubuntu package, since we don't have to bother to support Gnome < 2.18 :)
[08:04] <RAOF> MOTU are welcome to sponsor the debdiff :)
[08:05] <LaserJock> joejaxx: really cool
[08:05] <imbrandon> i went through membership before i was MOTU and then MOTU before i went core-dev
[08:05] <joejaxx> LaserJock: thanks :)
[08:06] <imbrandon> given there was only what 3 months inbetween each
[08:06] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ^
[08:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:06] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :P
[08:06] <jussi01> morning motu's!!
[08:06] <imbrandon> moins
[08:06] <joejaxx> which reminds me i need to finish the opendb patch
[08:07] <imbrandon> RAOF, your more than welcome to go clean up some Amarok bugs for me
[08:07] <jussi01> is there any problem with running pdebuild as root?
[08:07] <imbrandon> there are a ton that dont apply anymore
[08:07] <imbrandon> jussi01, other than "why" ?
[08:08] <jussi01> imbrandon, my rules file needs to copy something to /usr/bin
[08:08] <imbrandon> fakeroot
[08:08] <joejaxx> Jucato: :)
[08:09] <jussi01> imbrandon, please explain for a new boy...
[08:09] <imbrandon> jussi01, sure, lets step back and tell me what your "wanting" to do first, not what your doing
[08:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I went from member to MOTU in slightly under 3 months
[08:10] <LaserJock> imbrandon: but I've been a MOTU for over a year now
[08:10] <joejaxx> LaserJock: how do you think i should handle the repository issue?
[08:10] <joejaxx> LaserJock: nice :)
[08:10] <LaserJock> joejaxx: which issue?
[08:10] <joejaxx> LaserJock: well using the fluxbuntu and ubuntu repositories
[08:11] <imbrandon> LaserJock, me 3 ;) i went member ---> MOTU in less than 3 then ---> MOTU to core in 2 months 
[08:11] <LaserJock> joejaxx: well, you gotta do what you gotta do
[08:11] <Jucato> :O
[08:11] <joejaxx> i rather not rebuild apt-setup
[08:11] <jussi01> imbrandon, I have a package that I am building, now the package is a gtk front end for a single file that needs to be in /usr/bin. im trying to get that file into /usr/bin
[08:11] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, you KDE people make core dev faster ;-)
[08:12] <imbrandon> ha, i'm only one of 3 KDE core dev;s
[08:12] <imbrandon> :)
[08:12] <joejaxx> :)
[08:12] <LaserJock> yeah, but you all made core-dev pretty fast
[08:12] <Jucato> yikes! I only have 2 months more to go to become a MOTU! :D
[08:12] <LaserJock> there's more chance/motivation to do Main work there
[08:12] <imbrandon> and riddell works for canonical and tonio made it in like 6 months
[08:12] <Jucato> j/k
[08:12] <imbrandon> true
[08:12] <joejaxx> Jucato: ? LOL
[08:13] <LaserJock> I gotta find Main stuff that I want to work on
[08:13] <Jucato> joejaxx: became a member last Feb... seems like it's a pattern to become a MOTU 3 months after that :)
[08:13] <jussi01> imbrandon, so am I doing it right?
[08:13] <imbrandon> jussi01, ... um ok, so run sudo pbuilder build *.dsc as per normal, it uses fakeroot to build it
[08:13] <LaserJock> s/want/want and can/
[08:13] <imbrandon> LaserJock, :)
[08:14] <LaserJock> joejaxx: how many packages can't you get into ubuntu repos right now?
[08:14] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I think I might try at next TB, maybe
[08:14] <imbrandon> LaserJock, rockin, i would more than support you if you want
[08:15] <imbrandon> as i'm sure most would arround here
[08:15] <joejaxx> LaserJock: well there is the language-support issue
[08:15] <joejaxx> and then we are using iceape
[08:15] <joejaxx> and slim
[08:15] <LaserJock> well, iceape is a no-go
[08:16] <joejaxx> yeah
[08:16] <imbrandon> iceape?
[08:16] <joejaxx> yeap
[08:16] <LaserJock> language-support you might be able to get for Feisty+1
[08:16] <imbrandon> wth is iceape
[08:16] <Jucato> iceape = seamonkey?
[08:16] <joejaxx> yes
[08:16] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if that can get in for Feisty
[08:16] <joejaxx> iceape is seamonkey
[08:16] <imbrandon> ice* needs to diaf
[08:16] <LaserJock> imbrandon: shesh, get with the rebranding ;-)
[08:16] <Jucato> ah like iceweasel and icedove
[08:16] <imbrandon> LaserJock, lol
[08:17] <joejaxx> then there is the dpkg-divert messiness
[08:17] <LaserJock> well, messy but if it works it works
[08:18] <LaserJock> mantha@electron:~$ dpkg-divert --list |wc -l
[08:18] <LaserJock> 38
[08:19] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ dpkg-divert --list |wc -l
[08:19] <imbrandon> 27
[08:21] <joejaxx> dpkg-divert
[08:22] <joejaxx> bash: dpkg-divert: command not found
[08:22] <joejaxx> hahahaha
[08:22] <joejaxx> well that is interesting
[08:22] <joejaxx> time to rebuild the livecd
[08:23] <LaserJock> joejaxx: why are you using iceape instead of iceweasel?
[08:23] <joejaxx> resource usage
[08:23] <LaserJock> I would think iceape would take more
[08:24] <LaserJock> what's the difference?
[08:24] <imbrandon> why not just use seamonkey ?
[08:24] <joejaxx> LaserJock: we are only using iceape-browser not the whole suite
[08:24] <LaserJock> cause iceape is such a cool name ;-)
[08:24] <LaserJock> joejaxx: ahhh
[08:25] <joejaxx> yeah
[08:25] <imbrandon> or just use dilo like every other flux desktop ;)
[08:26] <joejaxx> yeah i started out with dillo in alpha
[08:26] <joejaxx> and i changed it
[08:26] <joejaxx> we also include links2
[08:27] <imbrandon> links2 ftw :)
[08:28] <imbrandon> i use that non stop'
[08:28] <joejaxx> oh definitely :)
[08:29] <joejaxx> LaserJock: when i rebuild the language-support packages
[08:29] <joejaxx> that should bring down the installed size ~200mb
[08:30] <joejaxx> down to 1GB
[08:30] <joejaxx> so that will be good
[08:31] <imbrandon> 1GB !!!
[08:31] <imbrandon> for a flux desktop ?
[08:31] <joejaxx> 700mb of that is xorg
[08:31] <imbrandon> tinyx
[08:31] <joejaxx> 600-700mb~
[08:32] <imbrandon> tinyx == 900KB
[08:32] <imbrandon> and no libs
[08:32] <imbrandon> e.g. what DSL uses
[08:32] <joejaxx> i know but i want to retain hardware support :P
[08:33] <imbrandon> hardware support? tinyx probably works at higher resolutions than X on older cards, if you mean "beryl" support then "why" if FLUX !?!
[08:33] <joejaxx> fluxbuntu is already half the size of a ubuntu install
[08:34] <joejaxx> imbrandon: no
[08:34] <joejaxx> fluxbox cannot work with beryl
[08:34] <imbrandon> exactly and tinyx works with any card thats atleaste vesa 1.0
[08:34] <imbrandon> soooooo e.g. more than xorg
[08:35] <imbrandon> so i'm missing what you mean with "hardware support"
[08:36] <jussi01> I must be so stupid... I just want it to copy 1 file... but I cant...
[08:36] <LaserJock> don't cry
[08:36] <LaserJock> it's only software ;-)
[08:37] <jussi01> I know, but Ive been wrestling with it for like 2 days
[08:37] <jussi01> grr
[08:37] <jussi01> 1 stupid file
[08:37] <LaserJock> jussi01: what are you trying to do and what error/result do you get/
[08:37] <LaserJock> ?
[08:37] <LaserJock> joejaxx: 1GB isn't bad
[08:38] <LaserJock> half of an Ubuntu install
[08:38] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i was looking at tinyx but i had not planned to deviate that far from ubuntu on a first release
[08:38] <LaserJock> it's be cool to be able to stick it on a 1GB USB disk
[08:39] <LaserJock> yeah, seems like that might be tough to support
[08:39] <jussi01> LaserJock, heres the situation. I have a nice deb/source (program front end). it works. However it needs a backend file to be copied into /usr/bin. How do I make it do this??
[08:39] <LaserJock> where's the file in the source tree?
[08:39] <LaserJock> jussi01: and are you using debhelper/cdbs?
[08:40] <jussi01> LaserJock, yeah I used them to create the deb in the first place. this backend file is supplied as a tar.gz with the source
[08:40] <jussi01> you are supposed to unzip it and put it in /usr/bin
[08:41] <jussi01> I want the deb to do that
[08:41] <LaserJock> is it just one file that in this backend?
[08:41] <jussi01> yeah, only the 1 file
[08:42] <LaserJock> I guess I'd untar it and stick it in debian/ or something
[08:42] <LaserJock> and then use debian/install to install it
[08:43] <jussi01> debian/install or debian/rules ?
[08:43] <jussi01> I dont have a debian/install
[08:43] <LaserJock> either one
[08:44] <LaserJock> I like debian/install personally
[08:44] <jussi01> so I would have to create that....
[08:44] <LaserJock> sure
[08:44] <jussi01> can I ask for more help?
[08:45] <jussi01> what needs to be in that? just a simple cp ?
[08:46] <LaserJock> nope
[08:46] <LaserJock> somewhat simpler
[08:46] <LaserJock> <path to file> usr/bin/
[08:47] <jussi01> thats it? ie. if the file is in debian then, debian/sp-sc usr/bin ?
[08:47] <LaserJock> yep
[08:48] <jussi01> wow... thanks a lot....
[08:49] <LaserJock> jussi01: if you're using debhelper just make sure there is a dh_install line in debian/rules
[08:49] <jussi01> ahh ok
[08:49] <LaserJock> normally it is there but just check
[08:50] <jussi01> LaserJock, what if I would like the file to be not in the debian dir... then would it just be sp-sc usr/bin ?
[08:51] <LaserJock> jussi01: yes, but you need to be careful about where you put it
[08:51] <LaserJock> if you put it in the .orig.tar.gz then you need to document that
[08:51] <jussi01> ok, should I pop it into its own folder?
[08:52] <LaserJock> is it a shell script?
[08:52] <jussi01> hmmm, no i think it is a binary
[08:52] <LaserJock> well
[08:53] <LaserJock> we don't just put binaries in, is there source for it?
[08:53] <jussi01> oh crap... I dont know...
[08:54] <LaserJock> just less it to see if it's a script or binary
[08:55] <jussi01> LaserJock, less it?
[08:55] <LaserJock> less sp-sc
[08:55] <jussi01> its a binary...sigh
[08:55] <jussi01> :(
[08:56] <LaserJock> then you need to track down the source :(
[08:56] <LaserJock> I gotta get to bed
[08:56] <jussi01> LaserJock, thanks. Ill be back when I find some source
[08:56] <LaserJock> see you all tomorrow
[08:56] <jussi01> thanks for all your help
[08:56] <LaserJock> np, hope you find it :-)
[08:56] <Jucato> g'night LaserJock!
[08:57] <imbrandon> gnight Laser_away 
[08:57] <joejaxx> Goodnight Laser_away :)
[08:58] <joejaxx> hmmm
[09:08] <vil> hi, imbrandon
[09:08] <vil> again some problems with ubuntuwire
[09:08] <vil> can you pls take a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13056/
[09:08] <TheMuso> Wow! Wubi is quite a cool piece of code.
[09:09] <imbrandon> vil, you need to run "pbuilder-feisty update" before you build
[09:09] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: ... after 5 hours looking at it you say this?
[09:09] <joejaxx> TheMuso: hmm?
[09:10] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: I've been doing other things, and had to grab a beta iso, which I originally thought I had.
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Ah, that'd take a while.
[09:11] <Fujitsu> How well does it work?
[09:12] <TheMuso> As we previously guessed. Prepares files, sets up the bootloader, and runs d-i wht all options preceeded.
[09:12] <TheMuso> s/wht/with/
[09:12] <Fujitsu> Not bad!
[09:12] <TheMuso> The only thing you have to do is enter the password for the ubuntu user it creates.
[09:13] <TheMuso> A few little asthetic things need to be fixed however, including enabling usplash at boot, quietening grub, and setting up a CD device in fstab.
[09:13] <Fujitsu> That shouldn't be difficult.
[09:13] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: no.
[09:18] <RAOF> Anyone want to guess how long it takes to build mono on a C2D laptop?
[09:18] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: SO for what I want to do, I still need to build a modified d-i, but I also think I'd use a netboot ISO as well, and let the installer fetch the packages.
[09:20] <vil> imbrandon, ok works, my bad
[09:21] <vil> imbrandon, maybe that update could be part of the -feisty etc. scripts or in pbuilder's hook.d
[09:22] <Fujitsu> vil: But we don't want it done every time...
[09:23] <vil> Fujitsu, what is the reason?
[09:23] <imbrandon> yea, thats just part of building , but i guess i should put some instructions
[09:23] <Fujitsu> vil: It takes a significant amount of time.
[09:23] <imbrandon> vil, its just like a local pbuilder , you need to update it
[09:23] <imbrandon> when using it
[09:23] <imbrandon> :)
[09:23] <imbrandon> and update everytime would be slow
[09:24] <vil> my pbuilder has automatic update, so I forgot about it "automatically"
[09:24] <vil> for me pbuilder takes so much time, that I don't mind a few more minutes
[09:25] <vil> on the other hand, when using pbuilder, you want to be sure that it builds with the current repo not a historic one, right?
[09:25] <imbrandon> and it wont let you, you will get 404's
[09:26] <vil> imbrandon, that's what i would call bug not feature ;)
[09:26] <imbrandon> i would just call
[09:27] <imbrandon> it part of knowing to build ;)
[09:27] <vil> but your right, it won't let you, if there is a newer version.
[09:28] <imbrandon> we'll learn you yet ;)
[09:47] <joejaxx> imbrandon: what is the versioning of debian packages for cvs checkouts?
[09:49] <imbrandon> joejaxx, last version +cvsYYYYMMDD
[09:49] <imbrandon> is what i normaly do
[09:49] <joejaxx> what if there is not a last version
[09:49] <Fujitsu> 0+cvsYYYYMMDD
[09:49] <imbrandon> 0+
[09:49] <imbrandon> heya Fujitsu 
[09:49] <joejaxx> ok
[09:49] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[10:23] <mr_pouit> hi there
[11:01] <Fujitsu> Does anybody know of any disadvantages of enabling PulseAudio support in a package?
[11:11] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: which package?
[11:11] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: mpd, but I see now that it has recently been done in Debian.
[11:56] <sacater> morning guys!
[11:58] <sacater> geser: was it you who i wanted to explain something to me last night/morning UTC :S
[11:59] <geser> yes, this was the discussion about your self-compiled xfce
[12:00] <sacater> geser: ah yes
[12:00] <sacater> cant remember what it was you were going to say to me though :()
[12:01] <geser> me neither
[12:01] <sacater> :S
[12:01] <sacater> anyone here keep logs?
[12:02] <geser> it can't be that important if we both don't remember anymore
[12:02] <sacater> geser: fair point :P
[12:02] <sacater> wasnt it about the ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop thing
[12:04] <geser> as xubuntu-desktop would install you a second xfce I mentioned equivs
[12:05] <sacater> thats the one
[12:05] <sacater> explain please
[12:06] <geser> equivs is a hack but it's a helper to create a metapackage which can provide all the packages you have installed on your own
[12:06] <sacater> ?
[12:06] <sacater> er..
[12:07] <sacater> that sort of makes sense to me
[12:07] <sacater> but whats teh point in having it?
[12:09] <geser> say xubuntu-desktop depends on xfce packages but you have installed them locally (without apt/dpkg). with equivs you could create a package which doesn't contain files but only the information that xfce packages are installed
[12:09] <sacater> hmm
[12:09] <geser> so dpkg would be happy and can install xubuntu-desktop without installing xfce a second time
[12:09] <sacater> i understand it a bit more now
[12:10] <sacater> hmm
[12:10] <sacater> intruiging
[12:10] <sacater> well i got gnome back on thanks to ubuntu-desktop, even though i dont use it, im going for pure xubuntu next time
[12:10] <geser> but it's a crude hack and shouldn't normally be used
[12:10] <sacater> geser: i wont use :D
[12:25] <jekil> hello
[12:26] <jmg> hi jekil 
[12:57] <pochu> heya
[02:22] <NorthernLights> Hi there
[02:24] <NorthernLights> Does someone know in how much time one can hope to have one's packet commented on REVU after upload ?
[02:24] <NorthernLights> package
[02:25] <Hobbsee> NorthernLights: at the moment, no one's looking at it until feisty+1 opens
[02:25] <Hobbsee> NorthernLights: however, it helps if you ask in here for someone to review your package, and give the url
[02:26] <NorthernLights> is it useful that i ask for soneone to review the package if i release new versions often or not ?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> well, it wont make it into feisty
[02:26] <Hobbsee> unless it's really really really important
[02:26] <NorthernLights> it's not ^^
[02:27] <NorthernLights> and still a little too buggy for that anyway i think
[02:27] <Hobbsee> so, to review a package, then ot upload another few versions waiting for feisty+1 to open - not sur ehow much point there is
[02:29] <NorthernLights> for me the point is to know if my packaging way is good or not (i'm a beginner). to make it to feisty is too late anyway i think
[02:29] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's too late for feisty
[02:29] <Hobbsee> most of the MOTU is fixing bugs, for feisty release
[02:30] <Hobbsee> but we can still review the odd package, so you can keep learning
[02:31] <NorthernLights> which URL do I need to provide ? the upstream .tar.gz ?
[02:31] <DktrKranz> NorthernLights, is that a brand new package?
[02:31] <NorthernLights> yes
[02:31] <DktrKranz> you may want to propose it for debian too
[02:32] <NorthernLights> yes, i'm reading about it. 
[02:32] <DktrKranz> they're busy with etch, but they'll be review it :)
[02:32] <NorthernLights> cool
[02:32] <DktrKranz> maybe not tomorrow, but there's a chance
[02:32] <NorthernLights> oh it's not urgent
[02:32] <NorthernLights> and i have to learn now to do first
[02:33] <NorthernLights> learn how
[02:33] <DktrKranz> first of all you may want to read ubuntu packaging guide
[02:33] <DktrKranz> it'a good start
[02:33] <DktrKranz> *it's
[02:34] <NorthernLights> yup, i've been reading several times already
[02:34] <NorthernLights> since it's already uploaded on REVU and i still don't know if the way i package is good or not, OK, here's my asking : if someone has time and feel like helping me, could this person have a check for SIVE (simple ipod video encoder), which is uploaded on REVU, and which upstream URL is http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sive/sive-1.b.2.tar.gz
[02:37] <DktrKranz> NorthernLights, at a first sight at http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/sive-0703220850/lintian no lintian errors
[02:38] <NorthernLights> yes
[02:38] <DktrKranz> i think these are common ones
[02:38] <DktrKranz> i'm not a reviewer, though
[02:39] <NorthernLights> it's OK, thanks
[02:39] <DktrKranz> anyway, did you try to build such package and install it?
[02:39] <NorthernLights> yes sure
[02:40] <NorthernLights> i tried on 2 systems, and several other people too
[02:40] <NorthernLights> (all working)
[02:40] <DktrKranz> it's a good start :)
[02:40] <NorthernLights> yup
[02:40] <NorthernLights> just i don't know if it's good enough for ubuntu/debian
[02:40] <DktrKranz> i uploaded a package some times ago
[02:40] <DktrKranz> but i was late :)
[02:41] <DktrKranz> so, keep holding on until next month
[02:41] <DktrKranz> :)
[02:41] <NorthernLights> feisty will be released at that time ?
[02:42] <DktrKranz> april 19th, if i mind well
[02:42] <NorthernLights> oh nice
[02:43] <DktrKranz> if you want, MOTUs are happy to fix some bugs
[02:43] <DktrKranz> if you want to, feel free to give them a try
[02:43] <NorthernLights> really ? that would be great, because I have some i can't fix and don't have enough tester
[02:44] <NorthernLights> where can i ask ?
[02:44] <DktrKranz> bugs in ubuntu, not in your package, sorry :(
[02:44] <NorthernLights> ah, ok
[02:44] <NorthernLights> anyway my code is too messy for someone else to fix it i'm afraid
[02:45] <NorthernLights> (i'm both a beginner packager and a beginner developer...)
[03:12] <imbrandon> ...
[03:14] <DktrKranz> what's up imbrandon?
[03:37] <pochu> Amaranth: around?
[03:37] <Amaranth> for a bit
[03:38] <lotusleaf> since neither mozilla-browser or seamonkey is in the feisty repos, are there any plans for seamonkey in universe in the future?
[03:39] <pochu> Amaranth: I looked at the compiz changelog, and the change you say of the ABI was 4 days ago
[03:39] <pochu> Amaranth: and most of the compiz-extra bugs are older than that change, so do you think a rebuild will fix them?
[03:39] <Amaranth> oh, no then
[03:40] <Amaranth> just shows why it should be removed altogether then ;)
[03:40] <pochu> hehe :)
[03:41] <Amaranth> hmm, tricky
[03:41] <pochu> and compiz-extra was updated to a new upstream release one day before that change (on 26th)
[03:41] <Amaranth> bug in nvidia's driver: reassign or reject?
[03:41] <pochu> Amaranth: if it's that after the update, doesn't work, then it's a dup
[03:42] <pochu> bug 96430
[03:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96430
[03:42] <lotusleaf> that's serious IMO
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:42] <Amaranth> no, this is "changing users gives me a black screen with a mouse cursor"
[03:42] <pochu> oh, there are some bugs like that
[03:42] <pochu> Amaranth: I would reassign it
[03:42] <Amaranth> It's because the driver doesn't reload textures on VT switch
[03:43] <pochu> or report upstream, because the kernel team can do nothing
[03:43] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, that's the same issue I experienced, link?
[03:43] <pochu> lotusleaf: have you reported it?
[03:43] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, if it's a ctrl+alt+f# switch and back to f7 black screen
[03:43] <Amaranth> I reported upstream in early November
[03:43] <Amaranth> lotusleaf: yep
[03:43] <lotusleaf> pochu, no someone told me it was an nvidia issue
[03:43] <pochu> Amaranth: then let's mark it confirmed and link it upstream
[03:43] <lotusleaf> plz link and I'll happily confirm
[03:43] <Amaranth> pochu: upstream bugtracker is a forum
[03:43] <pochu> Amaranth: do you have the link to the upstream report?
[03:43] <pochu> ups
[03:44] <pochu> wtf :)
[03:44] <Amaranth> and i talked to aaronp on IRC about it
[03:44] <pochu> dunno who is him
[03:44] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, link plz?
[03:44] <pochu> nvidia's dev?
[03:44] <Amaranth> one of their linux guys
[03:44] <Amaranth> lotusleaf: to what? my IRC conversation from november?
[03:44] <lotusleaf> Amaranth, the abovementioned bug you were discussing
[03:45] <Amaranth> oh, i don't have the number handy
[03:45] <Amaranth> but it's the same as your bug
[03:45] <lotusleaf> k i'll search thx
[03:45] <pochu> bug 95495
[03:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 95495 in compiz "Change user with compiz" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95495
[03:45] <pochu> lotusleaf: ^
[03:46] <pochu> bug 91414
[03:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 91414 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV nvidia-glx twinview on "switch user"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91414
[03:46] <lotusleaf> pochu, thx, with me it's with beryl, I could try w/ compiz and see if it does the same thing
[03:46] <pochu> lotusleaf: please, do and confirm it
[03:46] <lotusleaf> pochu, k thx
[03:46] <Amaranth> no no, reassign it :P
[03:46] <Amaranth> black screen after VT switch is never compiz's fault, just ask the intel driver :)
[03:47] <pochu> so we reassing to l-r-m?
[03:47] <Amaranth> i guess
[03:47] <Amaranth> it'll just sit and rot
[03:47] <lotusleaf> it wasn't an issue for me in beryl, I'd just metacity --replace and switch and restart beryl when I was back to f7
[03:48] <pochu> Amaranth: do you have the link to the upstream forum thread? :S
[03:48] <lotusleaf> but beryl's broke for me now anyway
[03:48] <Amaranth> no, as i said, i discussed it with them on IRC
[03:48] <pochu> ah, ok
[03:48] <Amaranth> as far as aaronp knew they had just fixed that bug but he said he'd have $some_name look into it
[03:49] <Amaranth> guess it takes awhile to look into it
[03:49] <Amaranth> i should probably open a thread but every time i do that for compiz/beryl issues they tell me compiz/beryl is at fault
[03:49] <lotusleaf> if I'm disconnected it's due to that bug and having to hard reset ;)
[03:49] <pochu> lotusleaf: :)
[03:49] <Amaranth> whereas on IRC aaronp knew me from the #beryl-dev channel so obvious i'd know the difference between an nvidia bug and a beryl bug ;)
[03:54] <pochu> Amaranth: /usr/lib/compiz/libshowdesktop.so <--- that's compiz-extra, isn't it?
[03:54] <pochu> hmm
[03:54] <pochu> not sure :)
[03:54] <Amaranth> yes
[03:54] <pochu> cool, reassigning :)
[03:56] <pochu> PriceChild: GeForce2 MX/MX 400 <--- is that supposed to run compiz?
[03:56] <PriceChild> pochu, Yes
[03:57] <pochu> Bug #92138
[03:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 92138 in compiz "enabled effects and screen turned white" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92138
[03:57] <pochu> that's fixed with latest compiz, I think
[03:57] <PriceChild> bug 96430
[03:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96430
[03:57] <pochu> yeah, I know
[03:57] <PriceChild> That's all that's stopping it :)
[03:57] <pochu> PriceChild: but does that card support it ATM?
[03:57] <PriceChild> How do you mean?
[03:58] <lupine_85> GeFORCE 2 is supported by the old legacy drivers, isn't it?
[03:58] <lupine_85> i.e. Xgl
[03:58] <PriceChild> lupine_85, yes
[03:58] <pochu> but the old legacy drivers doesn't support compiz, does them?
[03:58] <PriceChild> pochu, "yes" on xgl
[03:58] <PriceChild> but we're getting 9631 "new-legacy" as well  :)
[03:58] <pochu> how should xgl be activated, in the xorg.conf?
[03:59] <PriceChild> guides in #ubuntu-effects
[03:59] <pochu> PriceChild: It's because the bug report ;)
[03:59] <pochu> looking
[04:01] <pochu> that's weird :-/
[04:02] <pochu> isn't it enough in Feisty installing xserver-xgl?
[04:08] <sacater> pochu: you dont know anything about a feisty bug when going to shutdown, when i go to shutdown, the monitor goes black and claims 'OUT OF RANGE', this is either display size or refresh rate, any ideas whats going on?
[04:08] <pochu> sacater: do you have beryl or compiz enabled? which video card and driver?
[04:09] <sacater> pochu: beryl and compiz are offline, and im using a 128mb Nvidia card and chip,
[04:09] <sacater> let do an lspci
[04:09] <sacater> pochu: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200]  (rev a1)
[04:09] <pochu> sacater: the propietary driver, or nv?
[04:09] <sacater> pochu: im using the one from universe,
[04:09] <pochu> universe?
[04:10] <sacater> let me get the name
[04:10] <pochu> ok
[04:10] <sacater> its not legacy, i know that much
[04:11] <sacater> pochu: nvidia-glx, i was running fine with edgy
[04:11] <sacater> i also have nvidia-kernel-common
[04:12] <pochu> sacater: wich arch?
[04:12] <sacater> pochu: of what, -glx or kernel-commom
[04:12] <pochu> sacater: do you have linux-generic installed?
[04:12] <pochu> sacater: and linux-restricted-modules
[04:13] <sacater> one mo
[04:13] <sacater> pochu: yes, up to -11.2
[04:14] <pochu> sacater: latest is -13
[04:17] <sacater> pochu: it is?
[04:17] <sacater> oh
[04:17] <sacater> hmm
[04:17] <sacater> one mo...
[04:19] <sacater> pochu: heres a screenshot of what i get when i search for 'nvidia', and look under linux
[04:19] <sacater> http://omploader.org/file/Screenshot-141.png
[04:19] <sacater> nvidia-glx and stuff is further down
[04:21] <sacater> pochu: games and shiz are running fine and fast :D
[04:22] <pochu> sacater: is your bug here? https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bugs
[04:22] <Adri2000> pochu: about bug #93474, actually gnome-icon-theme is already a dependency of pychess...
[04:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 93474 in pychess "[apport]  pychess crashed with GError in <module>()" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93474
[04:22] <sacater> pochu: one mo, going to look
[04:24] <sacater> pochu: nope mate, not in there
[04:24] <pochu> sacater: I think that's an nvidia driver issue, but I'm not sure
[04:25] <pochu> sacater: does it happen with a clean profile?
[04:25] <sacater> pochu: no no, its shutting down the PC, not profiles
[04:25] <pochu> sacater: but does it log out?
[04:26] <pochu> sacater: I know!
[04:26] <pochu> sacater: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[04:26] <pochu> sacater: then restart X and test again
[04:26] <sacater> pochu: ok
[04:26] <sacater> ok
[04:26] <sacater> one mo
[04:26] <pochu> sacater: wait
[04:26] <sacater> im playing a game and need it to save, so i may be a few mins
[04:26] <pochu> sacater: note that that command will unconfigure any special configuration you can have
[04:27] <pochu> i.e. dual monitors
[04:27] <sacater> pochu: i have no dual monitor
[04:27] <sacater> s
[04:27] <sacater> so enter command, then, <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[04:28] <pochu> sacater: yeah
[04:28] <sacater> ok
[04:28] <sacater> let my game finish :P
[04:28] <pochu> hehe
[04:29] <pochu> Amaranth: do you think bug 91414 is a dup of bug 78470? It looks like it
[04:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 91414 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV nvidia-glx twinview on " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91414
[04:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 78470 in gdm "switching to current logged in user freezes gdm" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78470
[04:36] <sacater> pochu: almost done...
[04:38] <pochu> sacater: and works now?
[04:38] <sacater> no i mean, almost done with my game :P
[04:39] <pochu> hehe
[04:41] <sacater> pochu: okay, running the command....
[04:41] <pochu> good luck!
[04:41] <sacater> pochu: thank you my spanish engineering student friend :P
[04:42] <pochu> hehe, np :)
[04:42] <sacater> aaaaaaannnnnnddddddd
[04:44] <sacater> restarting x, bbiab
[04:44] <pochu> Toadstool: do you know why nvu has been removed from the feisty archive? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvu/ and bug 99433
[04:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 99433 in nvu "nvu html editor is not in the repositories" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99433
[04:45] <sacater> pochu: when i logged out, my monitor gave me the quick message of 'out of range'
[04:45] <sacater> :(
[04:45] <pochu> Toadstool: you uploaded the latest version of nvu to the repos, so that's why I'm asking you it ;)
[04:45] <sacater> dont think it really did anything :(
[04:45] <pochu> sacater: then I have no idea
[04:46] <sacater> :(
[04:47] <pochu> Toadstool: bug 60353
[04:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 60353 in nvu "Nvu's unofficial bug-fix release" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60353
[04:49] <sacater> pochu: same as always, when i shutdown, i get an 'out of range' until the end, when i see the last of the ubuntu logo and progress bar completeing
[04:50] <pochu> hmm
[04:50] <pochu> sacater: what's the output of uname -a ?
[04:50] <sacater> sacater@neo:~$ uname -a
[04:50] <sacater> Linux neo 2.6.20-13-generic #2 SMP Sun Mar 25 00:21:25 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:50] <sacater> sacater@neo:~$ 
[04:51] <pochu> sacater: is your bug here? https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bugs
[04:51] <sacater> i think you already showed me that..
[04:52] <sacater> pochu: problem.
[04:52] <sacater> my keyboard locale is incorrect
[04:52] <sacater> must be because of my upgrade
[04:52] <sacater> how do i fix
[04:53] <pochu> no idea :)
[04:53] <pochu> locale --help
[05:05] <sacater> pochu: ive worked something out, the command you gave me has messed up the keys, as they were fine before i ran it
[05:12] <sacater> pochu: is there an 'opposite' to the command you gave me
[05:13] <pochu> I think there isn't
[05:13] <pochu> sacater: you can run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and configure it yourself
[05:13] <sacater> pochu: is that easy or hard
[05:14] <pochu> sacater: if you don't know something, just hit enter ;)
[05:15] <sacater> pochu: ooooh
[05:15] <sacater> ok...
[05:26] <sacater> pochu: Everything seems to be working fine now (keyboard) but the out of range thing is still there
[05:26] <sacater> it may be a bug with the nvidia-glcx
[05:26] <sacater> glx*
[05:27] <pochu> dunno :(
[05:30] <sacater> pochu: and we probably never will, im going to make a bug report of it
[05:31] <pochu> ok
[05:31] <lotusleaf> pochu, confirmed it re: earlier
[05:31] <pochu> lotusleaf: heya
[05:32] <pochu> lotusleaf: can you see whether you have that bug without compiz running?
[05:32] <lotusleaf> pochu, the bug only occurs when I try it with compiz or beryl running (but beryl broke on my box after a recent update so I can't test it in beryl)
[05:32] <lotusleaf> pochu, I don't see it happening at all w/o compiz/beryl active
[05:32] <pochu> lotusleaf: if you have, then it's not a compiz bug, but a gdm
[05:33] <lotusleaf> pochu, ya, it only does the black desktop thing when I have compiz or beryl running
[05:33] <pochu> weird :(
[05:34] <lotusleaf> there again, too bad the nvidia drivers aren't foss
[05:36] <pochu> yeah :-/
[05:36] <pochu> intel ftw! :)
[05:42] <sacater> pochu: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-kernel-common/+bug/99468
[05:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 99468 in nvidia-kernel-common "feisty, display fails when quitting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:13] <leonel> hello motu people
[06:13] <leonel> I have  the   .diff.gz   .dsc   and  orig.tar.gz   for a package 
[06:13] <leonel> now how do I make  the  .deb file ?
[06:15] <bddebian> dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[06:15] <bddebian> cd foo
[06:15] <bddebian> dpkg-buildpackage -us -nc
[06:15] <bddebian> or you can just do sudo pbuilder build foo.dsc
[06:17] <leonel> bddebian: Thanks  ! 
[06:19] <leonel> I'm compiling  postgresql 8.2.3 for dapper  and  naturally needs  packages for  feisty  like   debhelper and cdbs  newer  
[06:19] <leonel> can  I edit  the  debian/control to   put the dapper's  version  ?
[06:19] <bddebian> You can try it
[06:19] <leonel> trying 
[06:19] <leonel> thnaks
[06:20] <bddebian> Did it already tell you about what build-deps it needs?
[06:20] <leonel> I don't think so 
[06:21] <leonel> should I run  apt-get build-dep ?
[06:21] <bddebian> If you run dpkg-buildpackage it will tell you what packages are missing and what versions you need
[06:21] <leonel> I ran   dpkg-buildpackage -us -n
[06:21] <bddebian> leonel: You can try that but if 8.2.3 isn't in dapper you won't get the correct build deps
[06:21] <bddebian> If they have changed, I should say
[06:22] <leonel> dpkg-buildpackage  says  I need  a newe  debhelper  and cdbs
[06:22] <leonel> s/newe/newer
[06:23] <leonel> changed those versions  on   debian/control  and .. it's  building the package   I hope it finish with no errors
[06:25] <DktrKranz> leonel, you may want to learn using pbuilder
[06:25] <DktrKranz> it's great in such cases
[06:26] <leonel> DktrKranz: Ok  I'll take a look  thanks
[06:26] <DktrKranz> there's a guide on ubuntu wiki
[06:26] <DktrKranz> it contains the basic steps in order to get it up and running
[06:26] <bddebian> shower time
[06:27] <DktrKranz> i'm sure it will help you a lot, providing you have a broadband connection
[06:27] <leonel> DktrKranz: thanks  I guess this  are my  baby steps   
[06:28] <DktrKranz> if you need a hand, ping ;)
[06:28] <leonel> DktrKranz: I really want to help the MOTU 
[06:28] <leonel> DktrKranz: Thank you very much
[06:28] <DktrKranz> i am writing a wrapper against it
[06:30] <Q-FUNK> hand me over the ping, Pong
[06:42] <superm1> imbrandon, ping
[07:13] <calamari> hi
[07:20] <jussi01> hello motu's!!
[07:21] <leonel> hello jussi01  I'm  not a motu yet  but soon  I hope  
[07:21] <jussi01> :D
[07:21] <Q-FUNK> erm.. motu
[07:23] <jussi01> Motu's I have a question (here we go again - I know what your thinking) do most of the packages that depend on php4 actually need php4? or can I substitute php5 in there and that will fix the problem?
[07:24] <DktrKranz> jussi01, i am working on that
[07:24] <jussi01> DktrKranz, ok
[07:24] <DktrKranz> most of them can be replaced
[07:24] <DktrKranz> but some requires additional changes
[07:24] <jussi01> DktrKranz, do you need some help?
[07:24] <DktrKranz> jussi01, of course :)
[07:24] <jussi01> ok, which ones would you like me to look at?
[07:25] <DktrKranz> wait, i'm not a MOTU :)
[07:25] <DktrKranz> i just give my contribute :)
[07:25] <jussi01> DktrKranz, I dont care...
[07:25] <jussi01> :P
[07:25] <DktrKranz> well, there are many
[07:25] <DktrKranz> so, just pick one
[07:25] <jussi01> ok :D
[07:25] <DktrKranz> there are some comments
[07:26] <DktrKranz> you should base your work on them
[07:26] <DktrKranz> dinner time: pizza is waiting for me!
[07:26] <DktrKranz> see you
[07:26] <jussi01> DktrKranz, Ive seen some debdiffs from you :D
[07:27] <DktrKranz> i hope they are good
[07:27] <DktrKranz> i am testing them
[07:27] <DktrKranz> since one of them missed a package :(
[07:38] <leonel> WHOO HOOO !!! \o/ !  YES
[07:38] <leonel> it worked
[07:38] <joejaxx> lol
[07:38] <leonel> postgresql-8.2.3   in dapper 
[07:38] <leonel> thank bddebian  DktrKranz
[07:39] <bddebian> Does it actually "work" or did it just build? ;)
[07:40] <leonel> hold on
[07:42] <leonel> installed   
[07:43] <Toadstool> g'morning MOTU world
[07:44] <joejaxx> Good morning Toadstool 
[07:44] <Toadstool> pochu: nvu has been removed from the archive because it's no more developed upstream
[07:44] <Toadstool> hey joejaxx 
[07:45] <pochu> Toadstool: yeah, I saw it later :)
[07:45] <pochu> hehe
[07:46] <Toadstool> ok :)
[07:46] <pochu> Toadstool: though there is another project which continues it, have you seen it?
[07:46] <Toadstool> komposer right?
[07:47] <pochu> yep
[07:52] <leonel> another edit to  debian/control  for  postgresql-common
[07:52] <leonel> rebuilding
[07:52] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[07:53] <Toadstool> hi bddebian!
[07:53] <Toadstool> how is it going?
[07:55] <bddebian> OK thanks, you?
[07:55] <Toadstool> yet another freakin crazy week so I'm trying to catch up on sleep :)
[07:56] <bddebian> heh
[08:26] <leonel> thanks    bddebian  DktrKranz
[08:26] <leonel> had to backport  tzdata from  feisty
[08:26] <leonel> and ..
[08:26] <leonel> tadaaaaaaa 
[08:26] <leonel> PostgreSQL 8.2.3 up and running  on dapper 
[08:26] <leonel> thank you 
[08:26] <leonel> MOTU people   YOU ROCK !
[08:27] <DktrKranz> nice work
[08:27] <bddebian> Nice, good job
[08:27] <DktrKranz> did you use pbuilder?
[08:42] <leonel> DktrKranz: no I didn't
[08:43] <leonel> DktrKranz: I used what  bddebian said     dpkg-buildpackage -us -nc
[08:43] <DktrKranz> ok
[08:43] <leonel> and edited  debian/control  to  use the dapper versions for   debhelper  and cdbs 
[08:43] <leonel> and  backported  tzdata  with 
[08:43] <DktrKranz> there's not a big difference
[08:44] <leonel> apt-get source tzdata 
[08:44] <leonel> and  dpkg-buildpackate  -rfakeroot
[08:44] <leonel> for tzdata
[08:44] <leonel> installed tzdata  and postgresql8.2.3 
[08:44] <leonel> and all worked fine
[08:45] <leonel> now  with more time  I'll check pbuilder
[08:45] <leonel> thank you very very much
[08:45] <DktrKranz> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-interbase
[08:46] <DktrKranz> this package has been removed
[08:46] <DktrKranz> is there a place where i can dig in for causes?
[08:49] <pochu> DktrKranz: did it used php4?
[08:49] <pochu> DktrKranz: php4 has been removed from the archives
[08:49] <DktrKranz> i know
[08:49] <DktrKranz> it should use php5
[08:50] <DktrKranz> it provided both php4 and php5 packages
[08:52] <Laser_away> DktrKranz: you might try the Debian page for it
[08:52] <DktrKranz> it seems it is maintained
[08:52] <DktrKranz> in Debian, i mean
[08:53] <DktrKranz> debian ships an older version
[08:53] <DktrKranz> *newer
[08:54] <Laser_away> DktrKranz: you might ask an archive admin then
[08:54] <DktrKranz> uhm, maybe i've found something
[08:54] <DktrKranz> debian ships php 5.2
[08:55] <DktrKranz> and php-interbase is now built against php5 package
[08:55] <DktrKranz> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/php5
[08:57] <DktrKranz> changelog states "bring some of the mainline php4 modules back into the php source"
[08:57] <joejaxx> Laser_away: do you know how we could find out the number of packages that have been updated since the sync/merge period?
[08:57] <DktrKranz> it mentions php5-interbase, so that could be the reason
[08:58] <Laser_away> joejaxx: use feisty-changes
[08:59] <Laser_away> so is php5-interbas effectively in php5?
[08:59] <joejaxx> Laser_away: ok
[09:02] <DktrKranz> Laser_away, in debian actually
[09:02] <DktrKranz> but look at ubuntu changelog
[09:02] <DktrKranz> Remove firebird2-dev build dependency and php5-interbase package, since
[09:02] <DktrKranz>       we don't support Firebird and keep the separate php-interbase source.
[09:03] <DktrKranz> we lack such package, actually
[09:05] <DktrKranz> but i fear there aren't the only ones :(
[09:05] <DktrKranz> *these
[09:11] <joejaxx> Laser_away: nice thanks for that
[09:12] <joejaxx> hopefully i will be creating some stats from that
[09:17] <DktrKranz> gotta go, good night :)
[09:21] <soc> is http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html static
[09:22] <soc> or does the page update itself if the corresponding bug is fixed?
[09:29] <soc> someone here? :-)
[09:30] <joejaxx> :)
[09:35] <ScottK> soc: I think it updates, but I don't know the periodicity.
[09:36] <ScottK> If you are going to work on a package, I'd advise checking to make sure this isn't already something newer in the Ubuntu repos.
[09:39] <soc> mh ok
[09:39] <soc> will check it
[09:55] <ScottK> ajmitch: I've noticed that on your RC fixes page it has some packages listed with bugs that are marked etch-ignore.  An example is http://bugs.debian.org/393390.  It might be nice to exclude those next time you update the script.
[10:47] <ScottK> If anyone in UUS is available, the fix for Bug #85573 is ready for upload.
[10:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 85573 in clamav "Feisty 0.90~rc3-1ubuntu1 - After install of clamav, Freshclam does not update" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85573
[10:52] <sacater> Laser_away: laser, you here
[10:57] <bddebian> ScottK: Is it tested?  I don't want you yelling at me again :-)
[10:57] <ScottK> I tested it.
[10:58] <ScottK> Did I yell?  I'm sure that wasn't me?
[11:00] <bddebian> :)
[11:07] <bddebian> ScottK: Test building now
[11:07] <ScottK> Great.
[11:08] <ScottK> bddebian: When it was building for me I got a bunch of compile warnings, but none that related to this change.
[11:24] <ScottK> bddebian: Thanks.  I will keep an eye on it.
[11:24] <bddebian> No, THANK YOu :-)
[12:09] <mr_pouit> >-------if ! [ -a /etc/asterisk/destar_cfg.py ] ; then
[12:09] <mr_pouit> dash doesn't seem to like this
[12:10] <mr_pouit> what's the best solution ? set #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh or replace -a with -f ?