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maxamillionNaughtyboy: notice the foot icon on the menu and when you unpack the "Theme-Pack" is has a Gnome directory in there .... this guy just made the theme for both gnome and xfce but he is running gnome12:24
Naughtyboyaha OK...so GTK works a little different in gnome compared to xfwm4 ..?12:25
maxamillionNaughtyboy: no, but Gnome menus are written a little differently than xfce menus ;)12:26
Naughtyboyok..I see12:27
maxamillionNaughtyboy: actually I think Gnome does have some custom gtk extensions that are part of their gnome-libs which is why when we put applications in xubuntu that have gnome-libs the developers remove those dependencies and recompile with the equvalent "pure gtk" libraries12:28
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Naughtyboymaxamillion, ..OK..yeah well..you would know better than me..12:31
Naughtyboy;=)12:31
maxamillion:)12:32
maxamillionwell ... gnome libraries are really bloated and require extra resources which results in a slower program, that's actually the original reason we don't use them ... but meh12:33
Naughtyboyyeah..well sometime u just have to...I guess..12:33
ShiftOptionK'k, so the message I get when I try to use the GDM theme is "The greeter application appears to be crashing, attempting to use another one."12:34
ShiftOptionKA 3rd party GDM theme*12:34
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Naughtyboydamn this desktop I just put together is sexy  LOL ...this puppy is going out on "April Desktop Thread" in the ubuntu forums...12:36
maxamillionShiftOptionK: that's not good .... i honestly have no clue why it would be doing that :(12:36
maxamillion!language | Naughtyboy12:36
ubotuNaughtyboy: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.12:36
maxamillion;)12:36
ShiftOptionKmaxamillion: I'm totally drawing a blank at why this is happening and what I should do about it12:37
ShiftOptionKIt happens with every 3rd party theme I've tried so far12:37
maxamillionNaughtyboy: also, on the screenshot on that theme's page look at the Terminal window ... Gnome terminal is the one that has a "tabs" menu, not xfce ;)12:37
Naughtyboyw00t....exactly wich one of the words was unfriendly....the D work or the S word ...?12:38
maxamillionthe D12:38
maxamillionthe S is tollerable and i don't mind12:38
Naughtyboyok then...thnx for pointing it out12:39
maxamillioni don't think its that bad, but we attempt to appeal to all present or potentially present users .....12:39
maxamillionno prob, just doing my duties :)12:39
Naughtyboyyeah..12:39
Naughtyboy;=)12:39
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ShiftOptionK'k, so I got the SystemAccess theme to work12:41
ShiftOptionKWhat does the "Enable accessible login" checkbox do?12:42
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g4hok, well that sucks. apparently the update hosed xfce12:45
g4hwhats the best way to go about reinstalling xfce?12:46
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maxamilliong4h: what update?12:47
ShiftOptionKYeup, the "Accessible Login" checkbox did it12:47
g4hapt-get moo12:47
g4hheh, wrong window12:47
maxamilliong4h: lol12:47
g4hand the upgrade* i was working on from edgy to 6.10?12:49
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g4hit had that previously mentioned hangup while force restarting mono-samba, then i got past that and it was mocing along fine till i looked over and noticed i had a black screen with nothing but a mouse pointer12:50
maxamilliong4h: edgy is 6.1012:51
g4hso figured whatev, just let it do its thing, but after a while i noticed it wasnt doing anything, hit my shutdown hotkey and it brought the window up but all the characters were boxes. knowing which one was restart, i did so and yeah...its b0rked12:51
g4hhmm...something in my system disagreed12:52
g4hbecause thats what i thought, too12:52
maxamillionstrange ...12:52
g4hi can get a root prompt just fine under recovery mode, but regular boot gets past login and hangs12:53
g4hreverting to prompt under normal boot lets me login as well, so i'm assuming its just xfce12:53
maxamillion:(12:54
maxamillionwell ... i really have to go12:54
maxamillionttyl12:54
somerville32File a bug report please.12:59
g4h...01:02
g4hi'll get right on that as soon as my server is running again01:02
g4hhow do i go about reinstalling xfce?01:04
g4hits still hanging after login01:05
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somerville32Does xfce start completely before freezing?01:11
somerville32Or does it freeze as soon as you hit enter?01:11
g4hafter i hit enter, the login window closes, giving a blank desktop, no menus or icons, and a mobile mouse cursor01:12
g4hedgy themes01:13
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sigmamu188Koba: ever get the network settings running on DSL01:45
sigmamu188Koba: that was you right?01:46
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SharnHello02:10
Sharn:P02:10
sigmamu188salutations sharn02:10
Shaba1Anyone ever use an applet called ksayit?02:10
SharnShaba1, I haven't. Why?02:11
Shaba1just wondering. I downloaded it when I was looking around for stuff with synaptic02:12
Shaba1It is suppose to speak pasted in text02:12
Shaba1but it does not02:12
Shaba1I am wondering if its my Ram or slower processor02:12
Shaba1or just that it does not run on xubuntu02:13
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SharnNot sure, never really heard of it.02:13
SharnLike, text you paste directly into it?02:13
Shaba1yes02:13
SharnOh, that's odd...02:14
SharnYou have sound everywhere else?02:14
Shaba1well the play button presses02:14
Shaba1and it say sythesising02:14
Shaba1in the status bar02:14
Shaba1but nothing even sounds out02:15
sigmamu188Shaba1: are you missing and dependencies?02:15
Shaba1Its no big deal02:15
SharnSounds like is uses ALSA or something to output sound, maybe. Unless you have that all setup.02:15
Shaba1Its just something I thought would be cute to play with b02:15
Shaba1t I am wondering why it does not wrok02:16
Shaba1I jsut typed something into it02:17
Shaba1Nada02:17
sigmamu188check you dependencies!!02:17
sigmamu188Shaba1: also see if it uses gnome or kde02:18
sigmamu188you might not have the right services running02:19
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Shaba1How do I get back to the desktop once the screen saver kicks in02:29
SharnJust hit a key...02:31
SharnUnless I'm missing something?02:31
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Shaba1guys02:54
Shaba1is anyone here02:55
sigmamu188bout to eat02:56
sigmamu188brbr02:56
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SharnI'm still here02:57
SharnKindof. :P02:57
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Shaba1Sharn02:58
Shaba1my screen saver on my laptop kicked in02:58
Shaba1now I cannot get back to the desktp02:58
Shaba1do I have to type in my password to get it back?02:59
Shaba1NOpe that did not work02:59
Shaba1How do I get the desktop back02:59
sigmamu188it should be you password03:00
Shaba1do I have to enter the user name too?03:01
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thomaslaihi I have some problem launching thunar file manager in Xubuntu 6.10, it complains abt dbus03:01
sigmamu188no03:01
sigmamu188just ps03:01
CarstenHello. I need some help on sound at 6.06 - anyone can/wanna help?03:02
sigmamu188err pw03:02
SharnShaba1: i had that problem testing feather on an old laptop, it just stayed black. I enver got it out.=\03:02
sigmamu188ill try03:02
Carstenthx03:02
thomaslaiI have ubuntu-gnome installed as well, I installed xubuntu-desktop to try03:02
Shaba1i just turned it off and back on03:02
Shaba1how do I adjust that behavious03:02
sigmamu188Carsten: whats the sound problem?03:03
Shaba1becaue this is the 5th time since I installed xubuntu on sunday that that happened03:03
Carsten6.06 I fail to find "snd-es18xx" modprobe is negative -- do I have to install?03:03
Carstensigmamu188: find / -name snd-es18 was negative03:03
sigmamu188you might need to install03:04
Shaba1install what?03:04
SharnShaba1: i don't know. Sorry. I have yet to find a screensaver config deal03:04
Shaba1this sucks03:04
Carstensigmamu188: i googeled for it, but couldn't get the appropriate apt-get line03:04
Shaba1and they say linux is better then window in all regards03:04
sigmamu188fro the driver?03:04
Carstensigmamu188: yes03:05
Shaba1Not in this one03:05
sigmamu188Carsten: what sound card are you using03:05
Carstensigmamu188: My computer(!) ^^ uses ESS186903:05
SharnShaba1: no offense, but no one said it's better than windows in every way03:05
Carstensigmamu188: I've red a lot about THAT today... it's an old notebook Compaq Armada 175003:06
Carstensigmamu188: I tried likely too much03:06
sigmamu188lol03:06
SharnSomeone else may be able to help, but I can't. =\03:06
Carstensigmamu188: versus /etc/modules03:06
Shaba1ok mouse just locked up03:06
Carstensigmamu188: If you can help me on these two questions, I'll be fine...03:07
Carstensigmamu188: (1) Where do I get snd-es18xx (.o)?03:07
sigmamu188Carsten: ill try ive only been using linux for a year nw03:07
Carstensigmamu188: (2) do you know where 6.06 (DD) does store the vital sound data... like where exatcly to put those aliases and options-lines?03:08
Carstensigmamu188: thx for that03:08
Shaba1unbuntu03:09
CarstenShaba1?03:09
sigmamu188try gksudo mousepad /etc/modeprobe.d/alsa-base not for sure03:10
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Carstensigmamu188: rgr. done that03:11
Carstenopens a text-file...03:11
sigmamu188any thing in there?03:11
Carstensigmamu188: no specific - looks like generic one03:12
Shaba1this sucks03:12
Carstensigmamu188:  stuff like this driver is bad therefore index=-203:12
sigmamu188http://www.oliyiptong.com/blog/category/open-source/ go to that page03:12
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sigmamu188scroll down to old hardware help in ubuntu03:13
Carstensigmamu188: saw that before today, rgr will do03:13
Carstensigmamu188: will try with you now, thx03:14
Shaba1now its locked again03:14
sigmamu188it says to create a file named soundcard in /etc/modprobe.d/03:14
Carstensigmamu188: rgr i've done that03:14
sigmamu188open it03:14
Carstenbut modprobe snd-es18xx fails03:14
CarstenFATAL... .o not there03:14
Carstenok will do03:15
thomaslaianyone, how do I check dbus version?03:15
Carstensigmamu188: open03:15
sigmamu188    alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-003:16
sigmamu188    alias snd-card-0 snd-es18xx03:16
sigmamu188    options snd-es18xx enable=1 isapnp=0 port=0220 mpu_port=0388 fm_port=0330 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=503:16
sigmamu188in there03:16
sigmamu188do you have alsa installes03:16
Carstensigmamu188: affirmative03:16
sigmamu188installed03:16
Carstensigmamu188: apt-get alsa alsa-utils alsa-base03:16
Carstensigmamu188: rgr03:16
Shaba1Ok I just turned it off for good03:16
Shaba1I got tired of the lock ups03:16
Carstensigmamu188: i carefully checked the file "soundcard" and compared to the BIOS settings03:17
Carstenwhile DMA1=1 DMA2=003:17
Carstensigmamu188: i tried both03:17
sigmamu188hmm03:17
Carstensigmamu188: modprobe: ... FATAL: Module snd_es18xx not found. Even after update-modules03:18
Carstensigmamu188: How does the system know to check "soundcard" when I request "snd-es18xx"?03:18
sigmamu188did you set the mpu port fm port and irq?03:19
Carstensigmamu188: one webpage even told to CREATE snd-es18xx as file03:19
sigmamu188in the options like on03:19
Carstensigmamu188: rgr everything according to the BIOD03:19
sigmamu188line* in the file03:19
Carstensigmamu188: err: BIOS03:19
sigmamu188hmm03:19
Carstensigmamu188: I ve been on that for some hours now... =/03:19
sigmamu188did you install the alsa drivers?03:20
Carstenrgr03:20
Carstensigmamu188: accroding to http://magiex.netfirms.com/03:20
Carstensigmamu188: section: ALSA03:21
Carstensigmamu188: while this reads ex1688(!)03:21
Carstensigmamu188: es1688(!)03:21
Carstensigmamu188: also alsaconf cannot be found after installing above called packages.. alsa-utils should include "alsaconf"03:22
Carstensigmamu188: idea: i did not freed any repositories... it's fresh Xubuntu from alternate CDROM and language via internet03:22
sigmamu188so you installed alsa, alsa-utils alsa-base03:23
Carstensigmamu188:  rgr03:23
sigmamu188and asla driver03:23
Carstensigmamu188:  rgr (as mentioned above "3 files")03:23
Carstensigmamu188: actual DRIVER, UTILS and LIB03:24
Carstensigmamu188: after pushing also stuff like bin-utils +++++ i was able to ./configure and ./make them03:24
sigmamu188im totally stumped03:26
Carstensigmamu188: someone mentioned an .gz version of this driver somewhere under /kernel... but find didnt make it out03:26
Carstensigmamu188: welcome to the club..03:26
Carstensigmamu188: i am looking for a rough basic introduction into sound system of 6.0603:27
sigmamu188ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/03:27
Carstenso i can rebuild and reload driver (snd-es18xx)03:27
johnnybigoodeUhn . . . newbie here, I was looking tru the SPM, why isn't firefox 2 on place of firefox 1.5 ? Should I upgrade to firefox 1.5 ?03:28
sigmamu188http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0.0.3&os=linux&lang=en-US03:29
sigmamu188firefox 2.003:30
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johnnybigoodeI know where to download . . . I was just wondering if there are any problems with firefox 2,03:30
johnnybigoodeOr a good reason not to have firefox 2 in the SPM and have firefox 1.503:30
Carsten_i am back .. it crashed =(03:30
sigmamu188the ftp?03:30
Carsten_sigmamu188: no my win ^^03:31
Shaba1ok back with you guys03:31
sigmamu188that sucks03:31
Carsten_sigmamu188: i've found alsaconf at alsa03:31
Carsten_where do i pack it?03:31
Carsten_into /sbin?03:31
sigmamu188let me check03:31
Carsten_unpack, ./configute ; make ; make install?03:31
Carsten_0.4.3?03:32
sigmamu188cd /usr/src03:32
sigmamu188mkdir alsa03:32
sigmamu188cd alsa03:32
Carsten_kk03:32
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sigmamu188install all your alsa stuff there03:32
sigmamu188bunzip2 alsa-driver-xxx03:33
sigmamu188tar -xf alsa-driver-xxx03:33
sigmamu188cd alsa-driver-xxx03:33
sigmamu188./configure --with-cards=es1688 --with-sequencer=yes;make;make install03:33
sigmamu188./snddevices03:33
Shaba1anyone know how to shut off the xbuntu screen saver?03:33
sigmamu188applications > settings > screensaver03:34
Shaba1yeah I got there03:34
Carsten_sigmamu188: thats what i done according to the webpage yea03:34
Shaba1but there does not seem to be a setting to shut it off03:34
Carsten_sigmamu188:  running now alsaconf (NEW!)03:34
Shaba1anyone03:36
Carsten_sigmamu188: alsaconf aborts03:36
sigmamu188restart x after setting the settings03:36
sigmamu188hmm03:36
Carsten_sigmamu188: assumption: cannot find snd-es18xx03:36
Shaba1Hello03:36
sigmamu188shabal03:36
sigmamu188restart x after setting the settings03:36
Shaba1anyone know how to shut off the xbuntu screen saver?03:36
Carsten_shaba: shutting down x = CTRL ALT BACKSPACE03:37
Carsten_or right top corner... click03:37
Shaba1that gest to a termina window though does it now03:37
Shaba1not03:37
Shaba1I wan to keep the desktop03:37
Carsten_shaba... restart x03:37
Shaba1HOW03:37
Carsten_thats what you need to do after changing the settings, if i got him right03:37
Shaba1you just said a lot of stuff but no instructions03:37
Carsten_shaba.. ok03:38
Carsten_where are you know03:38
Carsten_is x running?03:38
Shaba1turning on the laptop03:38
sigmamu188after changing the screen saver settings in applications > settings > screensaver03:38
sigmamu188reset x by typing sudo shutdown now -r03:38
Carsten_^^03:38
sigmamu188then see if the settings are applied03:38
Shaba1hold on03:39
sigmamu188cool03:39
Shaba1its booting03:39
Carsten_sigmamu188: ... alsaconf aborts03:39
Carsten_sigmamu188: looks like i am simply lacking snd-es18xx03:39
sigmamu188you got the drivers installed properly?03:39
Carsten_sigmamu188: the (above mentioned steps on webpage including ./configure; make ; make install took long, did not abort and went off with final non-error messages.. so i assume: yes03:40
sigmamu188did you do the chmod command afterwards03:41
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Shaba1Hold on03:42
Shaba1it booted to windwos by mistake03:42
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sigmamu188Carsten: i just kinda going by the website and trying to help you trouble shoot i really dont have much experiance with alsa03:42
sigmamu188Shaba1: its cool03:42
Carsten_sigmamu188: i did chmod a+rw...03:43
Carsten_sigmamu188:  i tried some it found snd_(!)es168803:43
Shaba1Ok at the desktop now what03:44
sigmamu188check in applications>settings> screensaver and see if shows the screen saver as disabled03:44
Shaba1Applications----> Settings----manager03:45
Shaba1now what03:45
Shaba1NO it does not03:45
sigmamu188ok is you problem when it locks on ss?\03:45
Shaba1and now the mouse is locked03:45
Shaba1yes thats it03:46
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Shaba1and when I go to the screen saver setting03:46
Shaba1this is riduculous03:46
sigmamu188do you see a box labled lock screen after [time] 03:46
Shaba1yes and it is NOT checked03:46
sigmamu188hmm03:46
sigmamu188are you running kde or gnome?03:47
Shaba1OK powering down again03:47
Shaba1nope whatever installed with xubuntu03:47
sigmamu188they both are03:47
sigmamu188lol03:47
Shaba1I think that is called xfre03:47
sigmamu188xfce03:48
sigmamu188but it starts probably with gnome services running if i am not mistaken03:48
Shaba1rebooting again03:48
sigmamu188when you reboot03:48
sigmamu188open the process manager03:48
Shaba1HOW!!!!03:48
sigmamu188hold on03:48
sigmamu188applications > system > processmanager03:49
sigmamu188please dont yell i am trying to help03:49
Shaba1I know03:49
Shaba1but sayign something with out giving instructions as to how is frustrating me03:49
sigmamu188i understand i will try to be more descriptive with my instructions03:50
Shaba1I spent the last 7 hours going thru the same thing with the people in php-gtk03:50
sigmamu188after opening process manager via the command above03:50
Shaba1oK i AM THERE03:50
sigmamu188find the command named xscreensaver03:50
Shaba1sorry I hit the caplock by mistake that time03:51
sigmamu188rightclick on xscreensaver and select kill03:51
sigmamu188its ok03:51
Shaba1Ok got that03:51
sigmamu188ok i should stay off for now03:51
Shaba1huh??03:52
sigmamu188now im going to try to find a more perminate fix for you03:52
Shaba1you are not going to finish03:52
Shaba1oh sorry03:52
sigmamu188i need to find the probper way to perminatly dissable it03:52
sigmamu188its cool03:52
Carsten_sigmamu188: thx for concern... i am getting too tired now... sorry03:52
Shaba1I did not read that line about set kill03:52
Shaba1but the thing is I would not mind it if it would act like a windows screen saver and just come back on when you moved the mouse or hit a keyboard key03:53
sigmamu188Carsten_: sorry i could not help try taking to maxamillion the next time he is on here03:53
sigmamu188he is the man03:53
sigmamu188typically it should03:53
sigmamu188im not sure why it wont work03:53
Shaba1It just locks up the whole screen and keyboard and mouse03:54
Carsten_sigmamu188: thx. me too bro, me too03:54
Carsten_sigmamu188: Greetings from GMT/UTC+203:54
sigmamu188you should install the new beta03:54
Carsten_sigmamu188: shutdown -h now03:55
sigmamu188CST USA!03:55
sigmamu188night03:55
Carsten_sigmamu188: actual 4am03:55
sigmamu1889 pm here03:55
Carsten_sigmamu188: *dazzle*03:55
Carsten_\bye.03:55
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Shaba1damn even with that off when I go into the screen saver settign the dcomputer locks up03:55
Shaba1It just did it again03:56
sigmamu188wait and see if it unlocks03:56
sigmamu188it might be a ram issue03:56
Shaba1I rebooted03:56
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sigmamu188i cant figure out a way to perminatly disable04:08
sigmamu188i have to take care of a few errands, i will try to keep working on the problem04:08
sigmamu188and get back to you04:08
sigmamu188i will be back tonight and usually one here every day04:09
sigmamu188keep asking people they might be able to better help you04:09
sigmamu188but you have a temp fix for now by killing it in the process manager04:09
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posingaspopular!feisty04:14
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)04:14
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posingaspopularhey im looking to install xubuntu feisty, and im downloading the file from http://it.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ but i have no idea how to burn an .iso in windows. help?04:20
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BFTDum I just installed an new (and only) IDE HDD04:29
BFTDhow do I find it via command line?04:29
g4hits working fine though?04:35
g4hpico /etc/mtab should list it04:42
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BFTDI got it04:53
sigmamu188to upgrade04:54
sigmamu188?04:54
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Shaba1Hello anyone here?05:51
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g4hsomewhat, Shaba106:08
Shaba1wow06:08
Shaba1never mind06:08
Shaba1I forgot what I was going to ask now06:08
g4hone of many reasons we encourage people to 'just ask' =p06:09
g4hlike so06:10
g4hso okay, how do i change the permissions for a user home folder so i can access them remotely through samba?06:11
g4hthe folder perms, not the samba ones. those i have tackled.06:12
grazieg4h: File mode bits can be change by using the chmod command or right clicking the folder in thunar. However, I'm surprised you can't read the folder with the default settings.06:18
g4hI don't have access to thunar otherwise this would be solved, hehe06:19
g4ha botched upgrade has me stuck in terminal and i'm just backing up files before i wipe the install06:19
g4hand yeah it momentarilly threw me off that i couldnt access that one, but no worries as long as i can figure out how to fix it ~.^06:21
Shaba1hello guys06:22
Shaba1and ladies if there are any in a techie room06:22
g4hthere are. try not to assume otherwise =P06:24
Shaba1I did not06:24
Shaba1that is why I added the "and ladies"06:24
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g4h<.<06:25
g4h>.>06:25
g4hhappen to remember what you were going to ask yet?06:26
Shaba1nope06:29
Shaba1I hate getting old06:29
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geekunitis there anything else besides grabbing updates i should do to keep my xubuntu install secure?07:18
j1mmcgeekunit, i'm not a security expert, but . . . if you just want something simple, i've heard good things about firestarter as a software-based firewall.07:19
geekunitjlmmc: cool, i'll check it out07:20
tonyyarussobastille if you're really serious07:21
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geekuniti have xubuntu on my secondary drive.  i can't seem to access hda1 with fdisk though07:29
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j1mmcgeekunit, what version of xubuntu are you running?07:29
geekunitjlmmc: the newest, fiesty fawn07:30
j1mmcgeekunit, with feisty, they changed the drive lettering scheme.  try /dev/sda107:31
geekunitahhh.. why?07:32
j1mmci can't remember . . .   :)07:32
j1mmci know i read it somewhere, though.  and someone in this channel told me about it, too.07:32
j1mmctry that, and let me know if it helps.07:32
geekunitit worked, just had to sudo.  thanks again107:32
j1mmc=)  no problem!!!07:33
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geekunitok, now for the ultimate question.  are there any spyware scanners for linux that I could use to scan an ntfs volume?07:35
j1mmcgeekunit, there are antivirus scanners . . . or, at least one anyway.  i think it's called clam av or something?07:35
j1mmci don't know of any spyware scanners on linux.07:36
j1mmcmaybe try "apt-cache search spyware"07:36
j1mmcgeekunit, are you trying to get rid of a spyware infection in windows from linux?07:38
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j1mmcg'nite all.07:40
geekunitwindows07:40
geekunitnite, thanks07:40
j1mmcyw... good luck!07:40
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BFTDis it possible to see the speed of my "GPU"09:22
BFTDnot CPU09:22
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nessmukxubuntu uses an earlier version of xfce than the latest/best installer bundled as xfce 4-4.4RC2. Can one install the latest into Edgy 6.10....or xubuntu itself?10:36
grazienessmuk: folks have done it yes. some with success, some had problems and some had no success. Depends whether want to install outside the package manager. Feisty contains latest xfce10:42
nessmukyes....I was just looking at getting that. Wondering if it's a bit early.....is it very stable/buggy?10:43
boogleboxping10:45
grazienessmuk: most wouldn't recommend using it as your primary os just yet10:45
nessmukgrazie....of course. My Edgy is nice'n stable, except for Firefox.....javascript10:45
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nessmukthanks grazie....I'm gonna just dabble with the livecd of Feisty for now.10:48
nessmukdo you mind me asking what country you're in?10:48
grazienessmuk: np....uk10:48
nessmukman....I sure love how Ubuntu is  sweeping the world.10:49
hyper_chnessmuk: I haven't encountered any real problem yet with feisty...10:56
hyper_chnessmuk: there was one (wifi stopped working from one kernel upgrade) but less than 48h another kernel upgrade was released... so that problem is non-existant anymore for me10:57
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TheDarkKillerHey, I'm having some problems with the screen going black while installing Xubuntu :(11:08
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TheDarkKillerI'm really new to Linux, so I thought about something easy first. Heard Xubuntu was good. So I burned the ISO on a CD, popped it into my drive, selected "Start or install Xubuntu". Then it loads, and after a while, it goes to a prompt. A few seconds after, the screen goes black11:10
TheDarkKillerI have no idea what to do :(11:10
grazieTheDarkKiller: Sounds like you've got video driver problems11:11
grazieTheDarkKiller: desktop or alternate cd?11:11
grazieTheDarkKiller: or what's the name of the .iso you burnt to cd?11:12
TheDarkKillerDesktop11:13
graziedoes ctrl+alt+f1 give you a console?11:14
TheDarkKillerGive me a second11:15
TheDarkKillerNo, it doesnt11:15
graziehow much ram does it have?11:16
TheDarkKillerThe machine? 512mb11:17
TheDarkKillerBy the way, this is the ISO name: xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso11:17
TheDarkKillerAnd it has the correct MD5 sum11:17
grazieshould be fine. you could try booting with different kernel params11:18
TheDarkKillerBooting with different kernel parameters? Enlighten me ;)11:18
grazieTheDarkKiller: did your try the "safe graphics mode" in the boot menu?11:20
TheDarkKillerI did, yes, I can't do /msg by the way11:20
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grazieTheDarkKiller: same problem?11:20
TheDarkKillerYep11:21
graziewhat is the machine?11:22
TheDarkKillerBy the way, can't I just go to the boot: prompt and type in' live'?11:22
TheDarkKillerSecond11:22
TheDarkKillerI'm in Xubuntu now, typed 'live' at the boot: prompt11:26
TheDarkKillerIt's loading now, I'm sure11:27
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TheDarkKillerBut thanks for your help grazie11:36
grazieTheDarkKiller: np11:38
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TheDarkKillerHnmm, it seems like it've crashed? I selected the "install" option, and after a while it isnt responing anymore11:44
hyper_chTheDarkKiller: did you also check the cd? It should be one of the boot options11:47
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TheDarkKillerBack, now I can't even boot it :(01:20
TheDarkKillerShould I download the "alternative" cd?01:20
TheDarkKillerMight that fix my problems?01:20
kalikiana_TheDarkKiller, The live install froze with you, right?01:21
kalikiana_You might try one more time and see if it works. After that I'd use the alternate or server cd.01:23
TheDarkKillerYes, it froze01:24
TheDarkKillerI've tried over 10 times now01:24
TheDarkKiller:(01:24
kalikiana_So better try one of the other cds, they *will* work.01:25
grazieTheDarkKiller: I'd recommend the minimal install cd if you've got a good internet connection >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD01:33
graziekalikiana_: do you know of any bug reports on the desktop cd installation?01:33
magic_ninjawat up gibblets01:36
magic_ninjaTheDarkKiller: what kind of problems are u having01:36
TheDarkKillerBACK01:36
magic_ninjahey bro01:37
magic_ninjai've written a tutoral for problems installing via the regular cd01:37
TheDarkKillerWell, the screen going black and crashs01:37
TheDarkKillerOh?01:37
TheDarkKillerLink? :)01:37
magic_ninjait just shows you how to pop up a bare bones x environment01:37
magic_ninjalemme find it01:37
magic_ninjahttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=313406&highlight=magic_ninja01:38
magic_ninjahope that hels you01:38
magic_ninja*helps01:38
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magic_ninjalot of the time with all the other stuff going on in the background from a live cd it kinda messes things up sometimes...i don't care what anyone says, computers mess themselves up sometimes01:39
TheDarkKillerGrazie, you there?01:41
grazieyeah01:41
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TheDarkKillerHey, I've just installed Xubuntu, but there's no graphical interface? I used the "minimal cd" setup and installed it, now I have no idea what to do.02:58
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ormiretwould minimal CD possibly be alternate CD?02:59
ormiretThere should be a graphical interface if it was, are you getting a text login prompt?03:01
grazieormiret: TheDarkKiller used the minimal cd, but must have missed an option somewhere ... is now installing xubuntu-desktop.....I hope03:03
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Grey_LokiWould SuperKaramba work in Xubuntu?03:05
TheDarkKillerThink it is sorting out now03:05
crdlbGrey_Loki, yes, but you could use adesklets or gdesklets instead03:06
crdlbyou'd need to install a lot of kde deps for superkaramba03:06
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Grey_LokiOoh03:13
Grey_Lokigdesklets looks pretty fine - thanks, crdlb03:13
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Shaba1Hello anyone here03:14
Grey_Loki!ask | Shaba103:14
ubotuShaba1: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)03:14
Shaba1I asked it03:16
Shaba1I asked if anyone was here03:16
crdlbyou can't ask questions w/o questions marks :D03:17
Grey_LokiHehehe03:24
Grey_LokiWhat ubotu means is 'Don't waste time asking if you can ask a question - it's what we're here for; Just ask your question'03:25
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TheDarkKillerThe xubuntu gui installation is asking for postfix configuration?04:02
TheDarkKillerWhat should I choose?04:02
TheDarkKillerI, by mistake, skipped the help file04:02
TheDarkKiller:(04:02
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hyper_chTheDarkKiller: what are you installing?04:16
TheDarkKillerNevermind, sorted it out04:21
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digitsman, one's spoiled... takes insane amonts of time to install xubuntu on the old farts computer when you're talking about MHz instead of GHz :P07:03
digitsif i install a server install (only had an ubuntu disc on hand) and then do an xubuntu-desktop install, do i still get the nifty looking boot splash?07:05
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Grey_LokiSo if XFCE is rather slow to render new workspaces when I flick between them whilst not running much (XChat, Opera, and Synaptic), it's a hardware thing, right?08:36
Grey_LokiOh, i'm also running gdesklets with four system monitoring...thingies.08:36
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ormiretGrey_Loki: how much RAM have you got free when you're seeing things come up slowly?08:41
Grey_Lokiormiret, very little indeed08:41
Grey_LokiIt seems that Synaptic froze - I just 'sudo killall synaptic' and took a look08:41
Grey_LokiNow using 174/213MB RAM.08:42
ormiretis there much in the swap?08:42
Grey_LokiWhich seems a bit much with just Opera, Xchat, Azureus, gesklets and xterm running08:42
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Grey_LokiSwap is 207MB08:42
Grey_LokiCPU usage (1.33Ghz Celeron) is <10%08:43
ormiretyeah, the stuff on the other desktop will be dumped to swap if you haven't been there for a while (a while possibly being a short time if what you are using needs RAM) and will have to be reloaded to RAM before it can run when you switch.08:44
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Grey_LokiAha08:44
Grey_LokiI wondered why it sometimes did that.08:44
Grey_LokiI see there's an extra slot in this laptop for some more RAM, and i've been thinking of getting a stick08:44
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Grey_LokiI don't actually know what the osort of ram is called, though08:45
Grey_LokiSDRAM?08:45
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ormiretprobably, crucial.com has a useful thing for identifying the RAM you need for laptops08:46
Grey_LokiOoh08:46
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Grey_LokiBah08:48
Grey_LokiNeeds to be Windows based, running IE.08:48
ormiretthe make/prduct/model part works08:50
Grey_LokiHeh08:53
Grey_LokiMine seems to be the only one that isn't listed08:53
Grey_LokiPackard Bell EasyNote E256008:54
ormirethttp://www.simpletech.com/upgrades/packardbell/easynote/e2560intelceleronm36014ghz/08:57
Grey_Lokihttp://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?imodule=CT64M64S4W7508:59
Grey_LokiThat's the type, but i'm not sure what the speed of mine is - 133, 100, or whatever the other one is.08:59
ormiretThe site I found said it was 133 DDR09:01
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Grey_LokiIf you mismatch it, the higher just runs at the speed of the lower, correct?09:02
ormiretyes09:03
Grey_LokiNot life and death, then.09:03
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ormiretI don't know runnung RAM slower than it is can go seems fairly serious...09:04
Grey_LokiI'll send an email to Bell, ask them the speed.09:04
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Grey_Loki512MB of 133Mhz looks mighty attractive though - should make this machine zip along rather nicely.09:05
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mlchello all09:06
mlcI have a question09:07
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Grey_LokiFire away, mlc09:07
mlcabout installing ok, thx09:07
mlcI have Thunar and it does not work wvery well09:08
mlcso I want to install newer version...09:08
mlcversion: 0.4.1svn-r2315109:08
mlcHow do I install  a newer/better version?09:08
chewychomphelp- refresh rate reverts back to 60hz, when i want 75hz, i sudo nvida-settings change the refresh rate, restart x and its back to 60hz, took out 1280X1024@60 in xconf too, always changes the metamode back to 60hz09:09
Grey_LokiHrm. Have you tried 'sudo apt-get upgrade thunar'?09:09
chewychompaudo apt-get thunar?09:09
chewychompsudo09:09
mlcno09:09
mlcon the site it just says "download"09:09
Grey_LokiGive that a go09:09
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mlcI'l  try09:09
Grey_LokiI prefer to get things through either synaptic or apt-get - it's just easier ^.^09:09
chewychompapt-get will download and install for you09:10
mlcit says it doesn't need upgrade09:10
chewychompthen u have latest09:10
Grey_LokiThere we are, then :)09:10
Grey_LokiWhat is it about thunar that you don't like?09:10
mlcbut online it says a newer version is available09:10
Grey_Lokiit's probably their latest unstable version09:10
mlchaha09:10
mlcdo you have Thunar?09:10
mlcI like ik but it is buggy09:10
chewychomphow so?09:11
Grey_LokiUnless there's something in the changelog that you explicitly need, i'd just wait until it gets uploaded to the repositories.09:11
mlcok09:11
mlcwell09:11
mlcuhm how do I say it09:11
mlcleft and right hand window09:11
chewychomphelp- refresh rate reverts back to 60hz, when i want 75hz, i sudo nvida-settings change the refresh rate, restart x and its back to 60hz, took out 1280X1024@60 in xconf too, always changes the metamode back to 60hz09:11
mlcwhen I change something in the righthandwindow, the lefthandwindow seems not to get it anymore09:11
mlcuhm09:12
mlcmany times the same directory displayed09:12
mlcwhen you click on it, it goes away. comes back, etc!09:12
mlcvery weird behavior09:12
mlcbut the speed of xubuntu is so good that I want to stay09:13
mlcalthough these sorts of things happen09:13
mlcchewycomp or grayloki, what can I do about the problem?09:14
Grey_LokiHmm. There are several alternative file managers out and around. XFFM for one, and I think that Konqueror is another one.09:14
chewychomploki u have any ideas about getting my refresh rate to stick?09:15
mlcxffm, is that quick?09:16
mlcI don not have a very quick pc09:16
Grey_Lokichewychomp, no, i'd have said, otherwise.09:16
Grey_LokiHave you tried searching the (x)ubuntu forums?09:16
mlcoh, I searched until I drop09:16
Grey_Lokimlc - I haven't used it, but it's the file manager for XFCE, so i'd imagine it would be fairly fast.09:16
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mlcwell, I try xffm then :)09:17
mlchow do I use xffm instead of thunar?09:17
mlcshould I uninstaal thunar first?09:17
Grey_LokiI'd leave it, just in case seomthing goes wrong.09:17
Grey_LokiThey shouldn't interfere with eah other.09:17
mlcok, but how do I choose09:17
mlcbetween the two09:18
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Grey_LokiHrm. I just tried 'sudo apt-get install xffm', and it couldn't find the package - try doing a search in synaptic for it.09:18
mlcit s xffm409:19
mlc;)09:19
Grey_LokiHeh09:19
Grey_Loki!xffm409:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xffm4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:19
mlcwhat? factoids09:19
mlcwhats that09:20
Grey_LokiA list of useful things09:20
Grey_Loki!nvidia09:20
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto09:20
Grey_LokiThings like that.09:20
mlcok09:20
mlcI drown in that site!09:20
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TheSheepI think that xffm is no longer developed09:21
mlcsorry for being such a rookie.... this is my first time on IRC09:21
TheSheepthey recommend emelFM2 on http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps09:22
TheSheepmlc: btw, what version of xubuntu do you use?09:23
TheSheepmlc: the bug seems worth reporting09:23
mlcehn09:24
mlc4.3.99.109:24
mlccan't seem to update that too09:24
TheSheepso it's Edgy09:25
mlcyes !09:25
TheSheepI've never heard of a similar bug, but you might try on http://bugs.ubuntu.com09:25
mlcI have installed xffm409:25
mlclet's see what it does09:26
TheSheepmlc: if it's not described there yet, add it -- try to describe the behavior09:26
mlcoh, ok09:26
mlccan I post pictures there? And where is it?09:26
mlcoh sorry09:26
mlcI see it09:26
mlcI can not find emelfm2 with apt-cache search emelfm209:27
mlc!!09:27
mlcthunar is SOO unstable, unbelievable09:28
mlcI thought it would be so stable to have xubuntu.. :(09:29
TheSheepmlc: it's stable for me, and was stable when I used Edgy too09:29
TheSheepmlc: it must be something specific to your computer09:29
mlchm!09:29
mlcthe sky is darkening for my sweet pc's future... ;)09:30
mlcshall I throw it from my apartment? :):)09:30
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mlcI don't  know what will happen now, but I will restart09:31
mlcsee you soon, I probably will be back09:31
digitsHello dudes (and hopefully dudettes), i've just installed xubuntu (my first xfce try) on the old farts computer, and i have some small questions... 1) how do i make a desktop icon shortcut for firefox (as example) and 2) is there a rather nice theme that does not take alot of screen estate - he's running 800x600...09:33
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crdlbdigits, you can't raise the resolution up?09:35
crdlbyou can just raise the DPI to make the text bigger09:35
digitscrdlb: nah, hes eyes are quitting on him, so he can't read onscreen without glasses above that res (and ofcourse he doesn't knwo where he has them at any given point)09:36
digitscrdlb: ooh, didn't think about that... goog sugggestion gotta try09:36
crdlbthat's what I do, 1280x960, with the DPI up really high09:37
digitsgiving it a try :)09:38
digitscrdlb: while we're at it, how do i make a desktop icon shortcut?09:38
crdlbdnd isn't working?09:38
crdlbI don't currrently have xfce installed09:38
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mlchell0o09:39
chewychomphelp- refresh rate reverts back to 60hz, when i want 75hz, -i sudo nvida-settings -change the refresh rate, restart x and its back to 60hz, took out 1280X1024@60 in xconf too- nvidia-settings always changes the metamode back to 60hz09:39
digitscrdlb: dnd?09:39
mlcI forgot to say big thanks to you09:39
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crdlbdrag-and-drop09:39
digitscrdlb: d'uh... gotta lay off the wine ;P09:39
liz_I installed xubuntu-desktop ontop on ubuntu and it works well but i have one small annoyance........it brings up 2 instances of nm-applet on startup and i dont even see it listed at all under automatically started applications09:40
mlcchewycomp, nvidia drivers are proprietary, aren't they?09:41
digitsi'm at my parents place, and he's got this old PII-300 that he uses for googling and reading mail (with a 10GB fiber!), thought that I'd ease my vacations (which currently is wine and virus hunting) with some nice linux-ware :)09:41
mlcliz, how do the applets look09:41
mlcright-click on them09:42
liz_its nm-applet09:42
mlcyes, but I don't know that09:42
liz_i guess its from my gnome stuff09:42
mlchm09:42
liz_it sits in the notification area09:42
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liz_so i guess im wondering what scripts run on session startup so that i can check them09:43
mlchm09:44
mlcnetwork manager applet09:44
mlcwhat happens when you right click on it09:44
liz_it has options to manage wireless and wired networking09:45
mlcn the Gnome menus go to Desktop : Preferences : More Preferences : Sessions09:45
mlcUnder the 'Startup Programs' tab,09:45
mlcthere must be something you can use09:46
mlcI don't have gnome but it might work09:46
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mlcdigits, good lcuk09:46
liz_mlc: well i'll play around but i've already looked in there09:47
digitsmlc: thanks, i give myself about 20 minutes before getting under the knife :P09:47
digitscrdlb: btw, can i change the dpi without having to restart X?09:48
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mlcdigits: should be possible09:48
mlcgoodbye!!!09:49
crdlbdigits, in the interface prefs I think you can09:50
crdlb(you definitely can in gnome)09:50
digitscrdlb: ok... i'm a console dude myself so i don't have a clue ;P09:51
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dimhi09:58
dimI'm having a few problems with wifi-radar under xubuntu feisty beta09:59
dimI get: "Failed to read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf'."09:59
dimam I missing something?09:59
digitsthat file is either broken or missing, is my guess...10:00
TheSheep!wifi | dim10:04
ubotudim: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs10:04
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CarstenHello there...10:05
CarstenAnyone has nerves and some time to could give me a clue on es-1689 soundcard problem on a notebook? I looked up too much now I wanna start from scratch10:07
CarstenI do not see problems in BIOS (no conflicts) but i do not know how to configure the modprobe options ...10:11
CarstenBIOS says: irq5 that makes options irq=510:11
CarstenBIOS says DMA ch 0  -> dma=110:11
Carstennext line DMA ch 1 -> dma=1?10:11
Carstenor dma0=010:12
Carstendma1=1?10:12
Carstenthen there are three differen i/o ranges...10:12
Carsten0x0220-0x022710:12
Carsten0x0388-0x038810:12
Carsten0x0330-0x033110:12
Carstenwhats "port" then?10:12
Carstenwhats "mpu_port" then?10:13
Carstena forth range is not in "PNP" but in "Controler Interface" i/o 0x0250-0x025710:13
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Carstenanyone?10:17
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totalwormageCarsten: try #ubuntu, there doesn't seem to be any technical ppl around here10:54
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totalwormageOH FRELL10:54
totalwormagei did it again10:54
totalwormagesorry10:54
totalwormagenm that :] 10:54
PuMpErNiCkLeCarsten: You shouldn't need to specify any options when you load the module - just load it, and let the kernel handle resource allocation.11:13
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CarstenPumper... thx Ill try11:31
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PuMpErNiCkLe...he didn't try yet? O_O11:33
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Josshi!!! good afternoon from MExico!!!11:51
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Josshow many need for my partition / i have 30 Gb!!!11:58
PuMpErNiCkLeMaybe around 8GB.  That's what I use, and I've never filled it - most of my files are in /home.11:59
Jossthanks... i have 9 Gb for / and the last form /home.:D12:01
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