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[12:33] <cliebow_> Whoa: last updates healed my wireless card..
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[02:19] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:20] <Burgwork> hey sbalneav
[02:21] <sbalneav> Hello Burgwork
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[03:49] <Em`Zee> I'm getting errors with ltsp-build-client...
[03:49] <Em`Zee> root@heidi:~# ltsp-build-client --arch powerpc
[03:49] <Em`Zee> ERROR: --arch powerpc called on unsupported arch: i686,error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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[03:59] <sbalneav> Em`Zee: What are you trying to build it on?
[03:59] <sbalneav> A i386 based machine?
[03:59] <Em`Zee> sbalneav; Yes.... that's bad, I take it.
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> its unsupported ;)
[03:59] <Em`Zee> D'oh.
[03:59] <Em`Zee> Is there any way to boot Sparc/PPC off of an Edubuntu i386 LTSP server ?
[04:00] <sbalneav> Sure
[04:00] <Em`Zee> Basically I'm running a lab with ancient computers, SPARCstations, and pre-Intel Macs.
[04:00] <sbalneav> But you'll need to build the chroots on Sparc/PPC machines respectively
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> <3 sparcstations
[04:00] <Em`Zee> sbalneav; would I just take an edubuntu livecd and basically tar the tree?
[04:00] <sbalneav> Then tarball them up, and stick 'em in /opt/ltsp on the i386
[04:01] <sbalneav> Em`Zee: No, install edubuntu on a sparc, then do the ltsp-build-client on the sparc.
[04:01] <Em`Zee> got it
[04:01] <Em`Zee> Next (probably stupid) question...
=== Kamping_Kaiser thinks debs to install a basic chroot would be cool (for just this purpose)
[04:01] <Em`Zee> Does it matter, X binary-wise on multiplatform?
[04:01] <sbalneav> At one point, we were talking about having pre-built chroots available for download and untar, don't know if that's been done yet.
[04:01] <Em`Zee> It runs all binaries on the central server, no exceptions, yes?
[04:02] <sbalneav> No! That's one of the beauties of X
[04:02] <sbalneav> Sparc client == PPC client == Intel client, for X
[04:02] <Em`Zee> woo.
[04:02] <Em`Zee> :D
[04:02] <Em`Zee> LTSP saved my life for adminning the lab. LTSP is <3
[04:02] <Em`Zee> Anyways
[04:02] <Em`Zee> when I do the chroots for Sparc and PPC I'll post them on my websie
[04:02] <Em`Zee> *website
[04:03] <sbalneav> Yeah, when you run firefox on a sparc client, you're running the firefox on the i386 box, but the pretty bits display on the sparc.
[04:03] <sbalneav> That's why I got involved in helping to develop LTSP 7 years ago: it's such an awsome paradigm
[04:04] <Em`Zee> My plans eventually include syncing authentication to an LDAP server
[04:04] <Em`Zee> instead of having root@heidi:~# ltsp-build-client --arch powerpc
[04:04] <Em`Zee> ERROR: --arch powerpc called on unsupported arch: i686,error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
[04:04] <Em`Zee> whoops
[04:04] <Em`Zee> hehe stupid clipboard
[04:04] <Em`Zee> anyways, instead of making one account for each machine
[04:04] <Em`Zee> (we name our machines after [not my idea]  porn stars >.<)
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> LMAO
[04:07] <Em`Zee> Yeah so we have "Tawnee Stone", "Tori Stone", "Linda Lovelace", "Heidi Fleiss", "Aurora Snow" all on one wall
[04:07] <Em`Zee> those are some of the LTSP machines
[04:07] <Em`Zee> the windows ones are named after male porn stars
[04:07] <Em`Zee> the Mac ones used to be Transvestites but then we decided to quit supporting mac in the lab
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[04:08] <racter> so can i use the live cd to boot a machine in thinclient mode?
[04:08] <racter> the bios on this machine doesn't seem to know about netboot
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> racter, no, but iirc you can do boot floppies
[04:10] <sbalneav> racter: No, but you can go to rom-o-matic.net, and download a etherboot floppy image for your network card.
[04:12] <racter> it has to be floppy or is there a way i can use a CD?
[04:15] <sbalneav> There's CD images there too.
=== Em`Zee needs to find some tiny old HDs and put netboot images on them :\
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
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[01:10] <cliebow> Em`Zee, i have tarballs for ppc
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[06:45] <ernierasta> I have a question, how can I install programs on client (I am using edubuntu 7.04 as ltsp server, server is amd64, but clients i386)? I set up everything, and it is working, but I want to install x11vnc on client. Is there someone who want give me some advices?
[06:46] <ernierasta> it is question about ltsp
[06:47] <merriam> ernierasta: chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386/ or similar.
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[06:47] <merriam> But I've done that and I still couldn't make x11vnc work.
[06:48] <ernierasta> merriam: i know, but in chroot apt-get can not find x11vnc
[06:49] <merriam> You need to change the sources...
[06:49] <jgedeon_> ernierasta: this will help  understand sources https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/LTSPManagement
[06:49] <ernierasta> thank you, i have not much experiences with debian-based distros
[06:51] <cliebow> merriam:i am usiong it alot in 4.2..not sure about 5...you get xlib error?
[06:53] <merriam> cliebow: I've been running edubuntu feisty beta with defaults.  I forget the details.  I've switched to ubuntu on that box for now because I couldn't log in on the server with edubuntu.
[06:56] <merriam> I'm not the only one, am I?  When I log in on the server I get serious errors and long waits, and the panel doesn't respond.  ltsp clients work nicely.
[06:57] <cliebow> gnome-settings-maNAGER?
[06:57] <cliebow> error?
[06:58] <cliebow> anyway..you can read my x11vnc stuff for 4.2 if you like
[06:58] <merriam> I think so.  But it seems there are more serious problems.
[06:59] <Em`Zee> cliebow; Did you say you had a tarred chroot for ppc?
[07:01] <cliebow> i do
[07:02] <cliebow> http://169.244.3.137/ powerpc.feisty.tar.gz
[07:02] <cliebow> and  powerpckernel.feisty.tar.gz
[07:03] <cliebow> i think you'll have to add the yaboot bits
[07:07] <Em`Zee> yaboot?
[07:07] <cliebow> the kernel loader for ppc
[07:08] <cliebow> not unlike pxe;linox.0
[07:09] <cliebow> yeah it is n there..place yaboot and yaboot.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot and point to ya boot in dhcpd.conf
[07:11] <Em`Zee> How do you make the macs netboot anyways?
[07:11] <Em`Zee> Is there a key to hit?
[07:12] <cliebow> if security-mode=none hit the n key..how old are these?they Do haave open firmware right?
[07:13] <cliebow> Em`Zee, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CpuArchitectures
[07:14] <Em`Zee> cliebow; We're talking like 400MhZ G3s
[07:26] <cliebow> as long as cmd-opt-o-f  brings up opfw
[07:27] <cliebow> ealy ones..like bo ndis may require a reservation
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[08:43] <sbalneav> Afternoon all
[08:52] <juliux> hi sbalneav
[08:53] <sbalneav> Hello juliux
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[10:05] <knix_> Has network-manager been fixed yet in feisty?
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[10:06] <sbalneav> not sure
[10:06] <knix_> sbalneav, ty
[10:07] <sbalneav> Not yet, apparently.  My static interface still isn't up :)
[10:07] <knix_> sbalneav, hehe i hear ya,  ty
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[11:24] <racter_> is there a way to burn one of these rom-o-matic.net boot floppies onto a CD?
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[11:30] <cliebow> 1bootfloppy
[11:31] <cliebow> !bootfloppy
[11:31] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:31] <sohail> anyone have any suggestion on how to teach drawing a triangle in logo without introducing trig?
[11:32] <cliebow>  cliebow: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_flopp
[11:32] <cliebow> hmmm
[11:33] <cliebow> should be a univgersal boot cd..
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