[12:12] <pochu> mr_pouit: what about using bash instead?
[12:13] <mr_pouit> pochu: yes, it also seems to me to be the best solution
[12:25] <geser> mr_pouit: if it's easy then make it also run with /bin/sh
[12:27] <mr_pouit> geser: erm... uploaded a few seconds before :/
[12:28] <Fujitsu> mr_pouit: You might want to forward that bug to Debian, if it isn't already there.
[12:28] <mr_pouit> Fujitsu: it isn't there
[12:28] <mr_pouit> I was not sure whether it was a bashism or not
[12:29] <mr_pouit> I'll forward it
[12:38] <gnomefreak> what automounts USB sticks?
[12:38] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: gnome-volume-managerf
[12:38] <Fujitsu> *manager
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[12:38] <gnomefreak> i was afraid you were gonna say that
[12:39] <gnomefreak> im gonna assume same for cds and dvds?
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Why?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> someone automounts cds but not usbs
[12:40] <Fujitsu> Have you checked the settings in System->Preferences->Removable Drives and Media?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> and i cant dupe this issue in feisty. but he states with or without vmware running same results. vm == xp i was thinking they were fighting over who was gonna automount ubuntu or xp :(
[12:41] <LaserJock> hi Fujitsu 
[12:47] <mr_pouit> Fujitsu: forwarded :)
[12:48] <Fujitsu> mr_pouit: Great :)
[12:51] <LaserJock> man, there are a lot of gnumeric bugs
[12:53] <Q-FUNK> gnubugis
[01:11] <imbrandon> ~...
[01:12] <LaserJock> nifty ASCII art
[01:12] <imbrandon> heh
[01:13] <imbrandon> foooooood , bbiab
[01:20] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: check out ~motuscience, I set the branding
[01:20] <Fujitsu> Nice!
[01:21] <Fujitsu> I haven't seen that option before, I don't think.
[01:21] <LaserJock> it's brand new
[01:21] <imbrandon> ?
[01:21] <LaserJock> imbrandon: Beta how has "branding"
[01:22] <LaserJock> LP Beta
[01:22] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[01:22] <Fujitsu> The branding has been there for ages, but the option to change it is new.
[01:22] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Where'd you get the image?
[01:22] <imbrandon> i would look but i'm on a console only etch install untill osx gets done reloading
[01:22] <LaserJock> well, I grabbed a couple of images from openclipart
[01:22] <LaserJock> then I inkscaped them a little
[01:23] <LaserJock> you guys are LP Beta testers right?
[01:23] <imbrandon> yea
[01:23] <imbrandon> i am, but i'm console only for the next ~30 minutes
[01:23] <LaserJock> did you get an email from Mark yesterday?
[01:23] <imbrandon> probably i'm backloged on my mail
[01:24] <imbrandon> by about 48 hours
[01:25] <imbrandon> ".... installing bsd subsystem ..." i've seen that 5 times now today
[01:27] <LaserJock> what are you installing?
[01:27] <imbrandon> osx 10.4.9
[01:27] <LaserJock> oh, yeah
[01:27] <imbrandon> ( and etch on another box )
[01:28] <imbrandon> hahaha xp sp1 serial in his sig
[01:28] <imbrandon> ( jdongs )
[01:35] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: did you get an email from Mark about Beta?
[01:35] <Fujitsu> Not directly, and not to any list I can see.
[01:35] <Fujitsu> When?
[01:36] <LaserJock> yesterday
[01:37] <Fujitsu> I didn't get it.
[01:37] <imbrandon> ahh got gui back, one sec lemme check
[01:37] <stgraber> LaserJock: about branding and user guide ?
[01:37] <LaserJock> stgraber: yeah
[01:38] <TheMuso> I don't remember seeing anything.
[01:38] <LaserJock> ok, well I guess maybe not all the Beta testers got one or something
[01:39] <LaserJock> I just wondered if he was sending it directly to me or not
[01:39] <imbrandon> i dont have one either
[01:40] <imbrandon> gmail searched
[01:41] <joejaxx> LaserJock: http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/
[01:41] <joejaxx> any other stats i should add?
[01:41] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: Haha, I did something like that for my own interest a few weeks ago.
[01:41] <LaserJock> joejaxx: cool
[01:41] <Fujitsu> (repository in the title is missing an o)
[01:42] <joejaxx> whoops you are right it is missing an o
[01:42] <TheMuso> joejaxx: The second list has only 9 packages listed.
[01:42] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: I see 10.
[01:43] <joejaxx> TheMuso: hmm let me fix that as well
[01:43] <imbrandon> hrm i see 10
[01:43] <LaserJock> me too
[01:43] <TheMuso> sorry so do I.
[01:43] <imbrandon> heheh
[01:43] <joejaxx> :)
[01:43] <LaserJock> I was going to say you need to get some glasses ...
[01:43] <joejaxx> lol
[01:43] <TheMuso> lol
[01:44] <joejaxx> i am trying to think of other stats that can be compiled
[01:44] <TheMuso> Top ten karma? :p
[01:44] <joejaxx> lol
[01:46] <Fujitsu> 400 bugs to go until the big 100k :-(
[01:46] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: really? :\
[01:46] <Fujitsu> Probably a little under 24 hours.
[01:47] <joejaxx> wow :\
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Oops, 48.
[01:47] <Fujitsu> I got the scale on the graphs wrong.
[01:48] <LaserJock> what graph?
[01:49] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats
[01:50] <TheMuso> It didn't seem all that long ago that we hit 50000.
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Bug #99411 has a nice summary.
[01:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 99411 in timidity "i'm not a good writer in english" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99411
[01:52] <pochu> hehe
[01:59] <pochu> good n8
[02:04] <joejaxx> which mailing lists deals with universe bugs only?
[02:06] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs
[02:06] <joejaxx> ah nice
[02:06] <joejaxx> LOL
[02:07] <Fujitsu> They make up a fair portion of our bugs.
[02:10] <imbrandon> ahh there we go, fully back in the world of a gui
[02:10] <joejaxx> :)
[02:10] <joejaxx> i am about to create some universe bug stats too
[02:10] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: How boring.
[02:11] <joejaxx> twin ftw
[02:11] <joejaxx> it is a balance between the two
[02:11] <joejaxx> though most people think it is ugly :P
[02:11] <joejaxx> it is a text-mode window manager
[02:11] <LaserJock> I saw elmo saying the other day that the are maybe going to stop archiving ubuntu-bugs
[02:12] <LaserJock> apparently the opteron machine that runs the MLs is getting bogged down just archiving
[02:12] <joejaxx> LaserJock: wow it has hit a gig
[02:12] <joejaxx> 1.5GB
[02:13] <imbrandon> LP is the archive of the bugs, i see no reason to keep the mails too
[02:13] <joejaxx> well the size of it
[02:13] <imbrandon> for a long peroid that is
[02:15] <LaserJock> imbrandon: it's really hard to see bug activity via LP though
[02:15] <imbrandon> soooo lets come up with a solution instead of creating a problem ;)
[02:15] <joejaxx> :)
[02:16] <LaserJock> who's creating a problem? :-)
[02:16] <imbrandon> ML archives hehe
[02:16] <LaserJock> I bet if we turned off apport it'd help ;-)
[02:16] <LaserJock> I'm getting probably 3-4 times more bugmails becuase of it
[02:17] <imbrandon> or the ubuntu foundation dips into the funs annd beefs up the opteron to a cluster or seomthing :)
[02:17] <imbrandon> funds*
[02:17] <TheMuso> I'll be glad when apport is turned off, at least for a few months.
[02:18] <Fujitsu> We might be able to catch up a bit when apport is turned off.
[02:18] <joejaxx> imbrandon: a ML cluster :P
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Having a better email interface (tagging, for example) would help.
[02:18] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: It would indeed.
[02:19] <imbrandon> joejaxx: for every problem there is a solution ;) look at gmane archives ;)
[02:19] <Fujitsu> Now if we want retraces, we have to get the email, click the link, wait ages for it to load, click the edit link, wait more ages, enter the tag, click the submit button, wait ages...
[02:19] <joejaxx> imbrandon: clusters solve everything :)
[02:19] <joejaxx> imbrandon: if you cannot handle, load balance it :P
[02:19] <LaserJock> well, we just need to get LP Beta out the door
[02:20] <Fujitsu> Beta looks like it's getting close to done.
[02:20] <imbrandon> there are many more types of clusters than LB's, LB get hit hard too
[02:20] <LaserJock> once that's done then we'll get PPA/xml-rpc love
[02:20] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Hey I'd be all for being able to manipulate bugs via email. I'd probably almost exclusively do it that way
[02:20] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeap HP/HA
[02:20] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: As would I, if everything could be done through it.
[02:20] <imbrandon> yall sounds like DD's now, i hate using email for anything but, well, mail
[02:21] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i think i am going to have a top 10 universe bugs category
[02:21] <LaserJock> I don't like email period
[02:21] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Its called efficiency.
[02:21] <TheMuso> For me at least.
[02:21] <imbrandon> TheMuso: when i get 8k emails a day its ANYTHING but effecient
[02:21] <imbrandon> no matter how good my filters/search are
[02:22] <LaserJock> I don't find email very efficient most of the time, but that's probably because I don't know how to use it well
[02:22] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: It's a whole lot quicker to hit reply and type a few things than use the web interface.
[02:22] <LaserJock> like Debian's BTS just kills me so I never file bugs there
[02:22] <TheMuso> imbrandon: But in terms of doing bug work based on what one has received from being a member of a particular team etc, one can simply reply to a bug mesage, drop commands in, and see the bug manipulated. I could do that in far less time than it would take to even load the bug page from LP.
[02:22] <imbrandon> progmatic interfaces to LP and such i'm all for , such as xml-rpc etc, but email is... well intended for mail
[02:23] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I find it hard with email because it's all split up
[02:23] <LaserJock> so I gotta go through a whole thread to figure out what's going on
[02:23] <LaserJock> or I can go to one URL
[02:23] <imbrandon> TheMuso: no that means there is a failuure in the team UI of LP, not that LP needs to clobber another medium
[02:23] <crimsun> LaserJock: do you use gmail for BTS?
[02:24] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: No, it means that web UIs suck for this sort of thing.
[02:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: Debian's?
[02:24] <crimsun> LaserJock: yes
[02:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: no, I don't use BTS
[02:24] <imbrandon> crimsun: i do, only becuse i rarely have a pure debian install 
[02:24] <imbrandon> to use anything else
[02:24] <LaserJock> but when I have tried I didn't use gmail
[02:24] <LaserJock> is gmail better?
[02:25] <crimsun> i.e., I thought gmail had a fairly interesting UI for threading
[02:25] <LaserJock> I tried reportbug once
[02:25] <imbrandon> yea it handles conversations well
[02:25] <LaserJock> didn't work so well
[02:25] <LaserJock> then I tried just plain email, that also ended badly
[02:26] <LaserJock> I'm just lucky the 2 packages I maintain in Debian don't have any bugs filed
[02:26] <crimsun> that can be adjusted :-)
[02:26] <imbrandon> lol
[02:26] <TheMuso> heh
[02:26] <LaserJock> nooo
[02:27] <crimsun> ok, git time
[02:27] <LaserJock> I just wish it had even a minimal web interface
[02:28] <LaserJock> but I guess I just need to suck it up and learn how to do it via email
[02:28] <imbrandon> lots of php/perl + greasemonkey plugin and you can have a personal BTS web interface :)
[02:28] <imbrandon> actualy more JS than php probably
[02:33] <LaserJock> bah, for all that work I could just figure out how to deal with the email interface
[02:35] <imbrandon> :)
[02:35] <imbrandon> thats funny because for all the work i tried to make konversation more like irssi with a GUI i just started using irssi
[02:35] <imbrandon> duuno if thats good or bad
[02:40] <DktrKranz> LaserJock, do you mind that problem regarding php and php5-interbase we introduced earlier this afternoon?
[02:40] <LaserJock> yes, glad you're back
[02:41] <DktrKranz> well, i looked at it
[02:41] <DktrKranz> just a bit, it is quite late here :)
[02:41] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, I just got irssi,mutt,screen working well. It's pretty hard to bit
[02:41] <DktrKranz> anyway, I think php 5.2.1 lacks it
[02:42] <DktrKranz> so we should consider to provide it in some way
[02:42] <LaserJock> so php5 *should* be producing a php5-interbas package
[02:42] <DktrKranz> looking at php5 changelog, it was decided to publish a single package
[02:44] <DktrKranz> or at least pitti handled that way
[02:54] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: ok, so maybe ask him about it
[02:55] <DktrKranz> ok, i will gather some additional infos
[02:55] <DktrKranz> i think php5-interbase won't be the only one missing
[02:55] <DktrKranz> we have some unmetdeps
[02:56] <DktrKranz> and we are unable to fix them without those packages :(
[03:07] <TheMuso> Anybody finding LP really sluggish atm?
[03:08] <RAOF> Not me.
[03:08] <RAOF> I'm just browising all the bugs I
[03:09] <RAOF> I've got debdiffs on, and they load pretty quickly.
[03:17] <Fujitsu> Has anybody been able to get LP bug mail to thread sanely?
[03:17] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: do you use gmail?
[03:17] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: No.
[03:18] <joejaxx> gmail organizes mine into groups
[03:18] <Fujitsu> The Message-Id and References fields are all wrong on these emails, so I can't see how it would do it.
[03:19] <RAOF> I think that gmail threads by subject, actually.
[03:19] <joejaxx> yeah
[03:20] <RAOF> So it mostly works, and occasionally gets thing annoyingly wrong.
[03:20] <TheMuso> c
[03:20] <TheMuso> gah
[03:20] <joejaxx> so for example for b-u-g 43061 all 11 emails are grouped together
[03:21] <joejaxx> or for the "bzr for packaging" thread all 18 emails are together
[03:28] <bddebian> re
[03:30] <RAOF> heeeelo bddebian
[03:30] <joejaxx> hello bddebian 
[03:30] <joejaxx> :)
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya RAOF, joejaxx
[03:32] <RAOF> And hello jml
[03:32] <jml> RAOF: hi
[03:33] <RAOF> Incidentally, is there a process for debdiffs for main bugs, similar to subscribing u-u-s to universe debdiffs?
[03:33] <RAOF> I've checked out the wiki, but everything seems to direct me to u-u-s.
[03:33] <crimsun> use ubuntu-main-sponsors.
[03:34] <RAOF> Awesome.  I suppose I should've searched launchpad for such an obviously-named group :/
[03:46] <DktrKranz> good night :)
[03:47] <harrisony> thats one good exit message!
[04:20] <LaserJock> oh for goodness sakes
[04:21] <RAOF> Please, expound your frustration :)
[04:22] <LaserJock> the scigraphica diff.gz is 370K and the .orig.tar.gz is 822K
[04:22] <bddebian> nice
[04:22] <LaserJock> that seems like a little more than just some packaging :/
[04:22] <RAOF> :)
[04:23] <TheMuso> Maybe a few dozen patches in the form of direct changes to source? :p
[04:23] <LaserJock> yes, just a few
[04:23] <LaserJock> mantha@photon:~/tmp$ zgrep +++ scigraphica_0.8.0-9.1ubuntu3.diff.gz | wc -l
[04:23] <LaserJock> 54
[04:23] <TheMuso> Wow.
[04:24] <RAOF> Fun.
[04:24] <LaserJock> more importantly:
[04:24] <LaserJock> mantha@photon:~/tmp$ zgrep +++ scigraphica_0.8.0-9.1ubuntu3.diff.gz | grep -v debian | wc -l
[04:24] <LaserJock> 42
[04:24] <TheMuso> Double ouch!!
[04:25] <TheMuso> Once all the reasons for the patches have been determined.
[04:26] <LaserJock> it changes pretty much every autotools file
[04:26] <LaserJock> config*
[04:26] <LaserJock> all the Makefiles
[04:27] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Actually, you could be a little more sure that you have the right numbers, by doing something like zgrep "^+++ "
[04:27] <LaserJock> and about 10-15 actual code (.py and .c) files
[04:27] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yeah, but it's close enough ;-)
[04:27] <TheMuso> True.
[04:27] <LaserJock> I just do that to get a general idea
[04:27] <TheMuso> Yeah fair enough.
[04:27] <LaserJock> but yeah, it'll also pick up patches in the .diff.gz
[04:28] <LaserJock> as they will be ++++ and +++-
[04:28] <TheMuso> What I do to find out things like that, is to put the source package together manually, i.e untar the orig, then apply the diff.gz by hand.
[04:28] <TheMuso> And sometimes even with a dry run.
[04:28] <TheMuso> This way, you can also find out whether orig tarballs are incorrectly packed.
[04:29] <LaserJock> I just have no idea why the Debian maintainer doesn't use any patchs
[04:30] <LaserJock> I would think it would be a pain to maintain
[04:30] <TheMuso> So would I.
[04:31] <TheMuso> Thanks to things like dpatch-edit-patch, patching couldn't be easier.
[04:33] <RAOF> Hm.  I'm pretty sure that the debdiff for bug #97661 will fix all but one of the reported bugs in compiz-extra.  Cool!
[04:33] <ubotu> Malone bug 97661 in compiz-extra "Loading any Compiz-Extra plugins causes Compiz to segfault" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97661
[04:39] <StevenK> LaserJock: I agree. Given how brain-damagingly easy dpatch has become, why not use it to maintain patches.
[05:01] <bddebian> Does anyone really care about this RC bug list or should I be working on something else?
[05:03] <LaserJock> I really care
[05:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: I think the RC bug list is about the most important thing we can be doing right now
[05:05] <bddebian> OK, well I think all of the grave ones are filed except for brickos (which needs the new gcc-h8300-hms) and audacity (which I ain't gonna touch) :-)
[05:06] <Fujitsu> I thought we had the new (old) H8/300 GCC... It was approved, at least.
[05:13] <bddebian> Fujitsu: It was approved by dholbach I think but I don't think it's been brought in yet
[05:14] <bddebian> Oh crap and gnucash and jokosher
[05:18] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee ;-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock 
[06:08] <poningru> !sled
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sled - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:08] <poningru> !love
[06:08] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[06:08] <joejaxx> lol the ice-weasels
[06:54] <TheMuso> harrisony: Yes you are.
[06:54] <TheMuso> harrisony: Sure. Just give me a revu link when you are ready.
[06:54] <TheMuso> Note that the chance of getting it into feisty is zero atm.
[07:04] <TheMuso> !packagingguide harrisony 
[07:05] <TheMuso> !packagingguide
[07:05] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[08:18] <TheMuso> c
[08:18] <TheMuso> ugh
[08:19] <RAOF> Again, you make with the "c".
[08:19] <RAOF> What's with that?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> d
[08:24] <Fujitsu> Um, can somebody see if I'm missing some aspect of bug #40690?
[08:24] <ubotu> Malone bug 40690 in tspc "tspc not non-startable" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40690
[08:24] <Fujitsu> It makes little sense.
[08:25] <LaserJock> bah, stupid taxes
[08:27] <RAOF> Fujitsu: That's... special.  Nice use of the double-negation, too :)
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Ah, didn't notice that. So it contradicts itself...
[08:27] <Fujitsu> The summary says it can't not be started, but the description gives two methods of doing it... What the!?
[08:31] <gpocentek> good morning!
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hey gpocentek 
[08:32] <yigal> does anybody know why there is no build of xmms2 in Feisty or for that matter anything related to xmms2?
[08:33] <RAOF> Because no-one has asked for it to be sync'd from debian in the right way?  Is it *in* debian?
[08:33] <gpocentek> hello Hobbsee 
[08:34] <yigal> RAOF: yes I am using Deb packages but there are some packages that are incompatible with Ub.
[08:36] <yigal> RAOF: I like to listen to last.fm in the command line and xmms2 lets me do that.
[08:37] <chillywilly> anyone know how I can use germinate or whatever to install all packages in ubuntu-minimal for feisty?
[08:37] <RAOF> yigal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess is probably what you're after
[08:37] <chillywilly> install the source for those
[08:37] <yigal> RAOF: ty, I'll take a looksee
[08:38] <RAOF> yigal: Or even this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[08:38] <yigal> RAOF: there have been NO successful builds of xmms2 on Feisty but attempts have been made
[08:39] <RAOF> Where have the problems been?
[08:39] <yigal> ROAF: from deb source
[08:39] <yigal> with git
[08:39] <yigal> ?
[08:39] <RAOF> With git?  As in, from xmms2 git?
[08:40] <RAOF> yigal: I mean "why does building the Debian source package on Feisty fail"?
[08:41] <yigal> RAOF: best I can do is point you to launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/xmms2/0.2DrHouse-3.1ubuntu3
[08:42] <LaserJock> fatal: Not a git repository
[08:42] <yigal> RAOF: for i386 it was FAILED [dpkg-buildpackage died] 
[08:42] <LaserJock> fatal: Not a git repository
[08:43] <LaserJock> Checking for working C compiler... no
[08:43] <yigal> hi LaserJock
[08:43] <LaserJock> hi yigal 
[08:43] <yigal> got your email ty
[08:43] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Is that even possible?
[08:43] <LaserJock> yigal: no problem
[08:43] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I'm not really sure what it's expecting
[08:43] <RAOF> They seem to have some crazy build system happening there.
[08:44] <yigal> RAOF: for xmms2?
[08:44] <RAOF> Yeah.
[08:44] <yigal> RAOF: its Linus's very own build system
[08:44] <LaserJock> scons
[08:44] <yigal> yes
[08:44] <RAOF> See, crazy :)
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Oooh, that's scary.
[08:44] <yigal> :) 
[08:44] <RAOF> Well, never before :)
[08:45] <yigal> RAOF: Its I think its used in playstation 3 or something :)
[08:45] <yigal> something weird like that
[08:46] <yigal> LaserJock: did you get my earlier message?
[08:46] <LaserJock> email message?
[08:47] <yigal> LaserJock: no irc
[08:47] <LaserJock> hmm, no I don't think I saw it
[08:47] <yigal> LaserJock: ok here I will paste it, "Hi Jordan do you have time to talk to a motu-hopeful?  You sent me an email about packaging Maxima and helping me learn the ropes of Deb/Ub. packaging I was hoping you were available"
[08:49] <LaserJock> yeah sure
[08:49] <LaserJock> I probably can't right now though
[08:49] <LaserJock> it's almost midnight here
[08:50] <yigal> fare, I just want a few, yes I am in Sanfran
[08:50] <yigal> same time zon
[08:50] <yigal> e
[08:50] <LaserJock> oh seet
[08:50] <LaserJock> *sweet
[08:50] <yigal> :)
[08:50] <LaserJock> I'm in Reno
[08:50] <yigal> Nice
[08:51] <LaserJock> well, the other people in here are pretty helpful too
[08:51] <yigal> well you are in Ub-science
[08:51] <LaserJock> Fujitsu's the most active MOTU Science guy right now
[08:51] <yigal> great
[08:52] <LaserJock> I'm kinda leader/cheerleader most of the time
[08:52] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yigal here wants to help with Maxima ;-)
[08:52] <yigal> I am honered
[08:52] <Fujitsu> yigal: You're brave.
[08:52] <Fujitsu> *King
[08:52] <yigal> or stupid :)
[08:53] <LaserJock> I actually would like to get Maxima into Main for Feisty+1
[08:53] <crimsun> you are a Brave soul.
[08:53] <yigal> what should be m 1st steps
[08:53] <yigal> as far as either of you can see
[08:53] <yigal> I know this is a very general question
[08:53] <LaserJock> well, you need to run through the Packaging Guide
[08:53] <yigal> and depends on a lot of context
[08:53] <yigal> done
[08:54] <LaserJock> get your feet wet with source packages
[08:54] <yigal> coarsely but done
[08:54] <yigal> ok
[08:54] <yigal> what is a good 1st goal, like a project or homework assignment
[08:54] <LaserJock> start pouncing on maxima bugs :-)
[08:54] <yigal> ok, build Maxima from source and defeat a bug
[08:55] <yigal> 1st homework assignment
[08:55] <yigal> :)
[08:55] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxmaxima/+bugs
[08:55] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maxima/+bugs
[08:56] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texmacs/+bugs might also be interesting
[08:56] <yigal> wxmaxima bug is easy to fix but I am not in front of my computer and won't be for 4 days
[08:56] <yigal> when I get back I have spring brake and a few days to enjoy
[08:56] <StevenK> nvu looks like a good place for someone to kill about 30 bugs since it's been booted out of the archive.
[08:57] <LaserJock> StevenK: hehe, cheap karma
[08:57] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Sounds good.
[08:57] <LaserJock> yigal: right now we are in bug-fixing mode for Feisty
[08:57] <LaserJock> yigal: we aren't taking new upstream versions or brand new packages
[08:58] <yigal> I get that 
[08:58] <yigal> but I need to learn how to work with sources etc
[08:58] <yigal> so its good for me
[08:58] <yigal> to fix bugs in packages
[08:59] <LaserJock> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/bugs.html is a list of bugs in science packages
[08:59] <StevenK> Fujitsu: So you'll deal?
[08:59] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I'm going through them now and adding them to my email.
[09:00] <yigal> LaserJock: good, I have my 1st project , goodnight/morning
[09:00] <yigal> 12:00
[09:00] <StevenK> Fujitsu: You've got a huge e-mail to kill a large list of bugs?
[09:00] <LaserJock> yigal: yes, I gotta run
[09:00] <Fujitsu> An email with a lot of To addresses.
[09:00] <LaserJock> yigal: email me if you have any questions or just ask here
[09:00] <yigal> good, ty again
[09:02] <LaserJock> and when you feel like you want to head over to https://launchpad.net/~motuscience/ and join ;-)
[09:03] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Has the bug contact searchy thingy not been deployed to production yet?
[09:04] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: what's the URL?
[09:04] <LaserJock> I knew the tiber one faster
[09:04] <LaserJock> and I'm tired ;-)
[09:04] <Fujitsu> Hehe, I'm not sure of it.
[09:04] <Fujitsu> Go to sleep!
[09:04] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Aye sir!
[09:05] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: actually, I don't see it in the advanced search
[09:06] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yep, it's just in Beta
[09:07] <Laser_away> btw, I think xmms2 just built fine for me in a feisty pbuilder. Maybe it's a buildd issue or just needs to be given back
[09:16] <Fujitsu> How strange. Malone processed that over about 25 seconds.
[09:17] <yigal> LaserJock: I clicked on the join for https://launchpad.net/~motuscience/ :) 
[09:17] <yigal> thats great news about xmms2
[09:18] <yigal> I am building it from scratch as I need python bindings for a lastfm feature I want
[09:19] <yigal> LaserJock: hope joining was what I was supposed to do
[09:19] <yigal> my bad Laser_away
[09:19] <Fujitsu> yigal: It's currently being rebuilt on the buildds, we should be able to see if it has worked shortly.
[09:20] <yigal> very good
[09:21] <Fujitsu> It failed again :(
[09:21] <yigal> same rason?
[09:21] <yigal> reason
[09:21] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[09:22] <yigal> hmm, did all of the builds fail in the same way or for likely the same reason?
[09:24] <Fujitsu> It looks that way.
[09:24] <Fujitsu> amd64 hasn't finished yet, but the others are the same.
[09:24] <yigal> why did I check https://launchpad.net/~motuscience/ join I 1st have to be motu  :) .  
[09:24] <Fujitsu> Do you?
[09:24] <Fujitsu> Only two or three on their are MOTU.
[09:24] <Fujitsu> *there
[09:25] <yigal> ok, great, good, so xmms2: fatal: Not a git repository
[09:25] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[09:26] <yigal> yes, debian has its own git repository I don't know if this makes the difference
[09:26] <yigal> it seems very funny that this should make the difference
[09:27] <yigal> git.debian.org/
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Especially as it builds fine in a pbuilder... :S
[09:29] <yigal> so there is a working Ubuntu executable 
[09:29] <yigal> ?
[09:29] <yigal> alpha, beta who cares?
[09:33] <yigal> sorry Fujitsu I must sound like a blithering idiot
[09:33] <Fujitsu> No, not at all. I just had to go off and do some other stuff.
[09:33] <Fujitsu> I have one that should work here, but it won't build on the machines that need to build it in order to get into the repository.
[09:34] <Fujitsu> The git repository bit seems to be normal.
[09:34] <Fujitsu> It's the gcc-checking thing that is broken.
[09:37] <yigal> It is probably something smal if you can build it on another box, but not the boxes needed to get into the repos.
[09:39] <yigal> excuse me it looks really small looking at the error
[09:40] <yigal> just have to point CC to gcc unless there is something else going on
[09:41] <yigal> but you knew this.  so it should work soon it seams, GREAT
[10:05] <stgraber> morning
[10:05] <Fujitsu> Hi stgraber.
[10:26] <sacater> morning everyone!
[10:52] <sacater> hey, does anyone know what the release after feisty is going to be called
[10:54] <TheMuso> sacater: Thats not usually disclosed until very close to feisty's release, or a bit after.
[10:54] <jekil> hello
[10:55] <sacater> jekil: good morning (here)
[10:55] <jekil> good morning
[11:34] <RAOF> Aargh.  Democracyplayer is so broken.
[11:41] <Hobbsee> RAOF: hehe, good man :)
[11:41] <geser> RAOF: there are patches to fix the python problems
[11:41] <RAOF> Oh, I know.
[11:41] <RAOF> I've applied the one which fixes their use of non-public, removed DBUS API.
[11:41] <geser> but then democracyplayer segfaults on another place
[11:42] <RAOF> However, that exposes the flaw in their build system which makes their database.so not link properly
[11:45] <geser> bug #81798 has already 50 dupes
[11:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 81798 in democracyplayer "[apport]  democracyplayer crashed with TypeError in __new__()" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81798
[11:45] <RAOF> Heh, all but one of compiz-extra's bugs is (almost certainly) a duplicate of the one I've got a debdiff attached to :)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> RAOF: is that uploaded yet?
[11:46] <RAOF> I'm not sure.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> RAOF: bug #?
[11:46] <RAOF> If you're in an ubuntu-universe-sponsors mood...
[11:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:47] <Hobbsee> i'm in an "avoid my assignment" mood
[11:47] <Hobbsee> or could be coerced to be in one, anyway
[11:47] <RAOF> bug #97661
[11:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 97661 in compiz-extra "Loading any Compiz-Extra plugins causes Compiz to segfault" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97661
[11:47] <Hobbsee> RAOF: how confident are you that this fixes the problem?
[11:48] <RAOF> Pretty much as sure as it's possible to be in computer science :)
[11:48] <Hobbsee> oh, meh its' just a rebuilds
[11:48] <Hobbsee> -s
[11:48] <RAOF> And tightening up the dependency on compiz-core, yeah.
[11:48] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[11:49] <Hobbsee> wow, you have a long name...
[11:49] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch 
[11:49] <RAOF> :)
[11:49] <RAOF> Hi ajmitch
[11:49] <ajmitch> hi RAOF 
[11:49] <TheMuso> Hi all.
[11:50] <ajmitch> & TheMuso 
[11:50] <Hobbsee> RAOF: consider it done.
[11:50] <RAOF> Hm, on a "ubuntu-*-sponsor" note, why is it that we assign bugs to u-u-s for Universe and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors for Main?
[11:50] <TheMuso> I never thought we assigned to u-u-s?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you dont.  you should be subscribing
[11:51] <TheMuso> I was always under the impression that we subscribed both.
[11:51] <RAOF> Ok, that makes more sense.
[11:51] <Hobbsee> i mean, it's kinda moot, seeing as it gets on the list anyway, but if we're subscribed, then can assign it to ourselves after that
[11:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:51] <Hobbsee> dunno where that was
[11:52] <RAOF> No, I obviously just can't read :(
[11:56] <Hobbsee> RAOF: dont worry about it
[11:56] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it'll just create extra stuff on the ML, etc
[11:57] <RAOF> Ok.
[11:57] <Hobbsee> RAOF: if you've got any that we really should prioritise before feisty release, that are sane, do you want to give me the bug numbers?
[11:58] <TheMuso> But if sponsoring is needed, I can do that.
[11:58] <RAOF> Well, bug #98587 is a trivial fix for a stupid bug I introduced in a previous bugfix :(
[11:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 98587 in specto "[apport]  specto crashed with NameError in update()" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98587
[12:00] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Yeah that would be annoying.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: it just shoots themselves in the foot.
[12:01] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> people regard it as done, but not yet built
[12:02] <TheMuso> I even check that packages have built that I have sponsored uploads for, even though I ask the person who made the debdiff to do it.
[12:02] <TheMuso> Just to make sure there is closure.
[12:02] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: you get mail saying that they ftbfs, btw
[12:03] <Hobbsee> in which case, it's moot
[12:04] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I haven't seen any yet, and there was a package that didn't build on one arch that I sponsored. Fix was trivial, but nevertheless, I got nothing.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> ahh
[12:05] <Hobbsee> weir
[12:05] <Hobbsee> d
[12:05] <Hobbsee> i seem to get them
[12:05] <TheMuso> Even for sponsored uploads?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> i think so, yeah
[12:09] <Hobbsee> well...that's a legit thing
[12:09] <Hobbsee> but not for sponsor mail
[12:10] <Fujitsu> Pound thing?
[12:10] <TheMuso> heh
[12:11] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pound/+bug/67913
[12:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 67913 in pound ""pound" postinst breaks during dapper to edgy dist-upgrade" [High,Needs info]  
[12:11] <Hobbsee> it doesnt appear to have a real diff, and upstream has released a new version
[12:12] <Hobbsee> bddebian's subscribed u-u-s but hasnt done anything about it.
[12:15] <geser> Hobbsee: it's bddebian
[12:15] <Fujitsu> Thanks ajmitch.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> geser: and?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> killed off a couple more "high" bugs.  yay
[12:18] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: :)
[12:19] <pochu> Amaranth: ping
[12:19] <Fujitsu> I've found very little use for motu powers lately. Just a lot of bug cleaning.
[12:20] <TheMuso> We'll be busy come the start of next release cycle.
[12:20] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:20] <Fujitsu> 70 or so bugs tagged as `upgrade' already.
[12:20] <Fujitsu> And about 500 crashes.
[12:20] <TheMuso> What is our stance on changing init scripts to comply with lsb use, and use lsb functions?
[12:20] <geser> Hobbsee: he's to much busy with sucking so you need to push him a little to get work done
[12:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: thanks for?
[12:20] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: I know of no policy, but I think it's a good idea.
[12:21] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That UVFe for bbpager.
[12:21] <ajmitch> k
[12:21] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Right.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> geser: heh
[12:21] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: no idea, sorry.  ask ajmitch 
[12:22] <ajmitch> why me?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because you know everything :)
[12:22] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Because you're all-knowing.
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:22] <TheMuso> haha
[12:22] <ajmitch> remind me why I bothered to return from visiting parents
[12:23] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: where are you moving to?
[12:23] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Mountains.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> nice
[12:23] <TheMuso> At least for a while.
[12:23] <ajmitch> NZ?
[12:24] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Um... no
[12:24] <ajmitch> australia doesn't have mountains
[12:24] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Well excuse me, but I'm not up on NZ geography.
[12:24] <ajmitch> :)
[12:24] <ajmitch> TheMuso: mountains. lots & lots of mountains
[12:25] <ajmitch> australia has little lumps of dirt that you pretend are mountains
[12:25] <Hobbsee> who feels like writing a python script?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> and adding it to MOTU tools?
[12:25] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: What for?
[12:25] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: depends on how much you need it
[12:25] <ajmitch> I'm sure you'll find lots of willing volunteers
[12:25] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: the maintainer field spec
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: One already exists, doesn't it?
[12:25] <pochu> Hobbsee: there is already one, isn't there?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: where is it?
[12:25] <TheMuso> Yes. Lutin wrote it./
[12:26] <TheMuso> I'll put it in if people want it.
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Lutin: where's the script?  :D
[12:26] <TheMuso> I have it right here.
[12:26] <TheMuso> Probably needs a bit of changing, but it does the job.
[12:28] <TheMuso> BTW, the product is probably going to be renamed, and the team will be moved to ubuntu-dev, as people like dholbach aren't in motu, and the scripts will be used by more than just MOTU.
[12:28] <Hobbsee> right
[12:28] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: There is already a madison like script in there.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Shouldn't the rename request be in launchpad, not motutools?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i didnt see it
[12:28] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: It is.
[12:29] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: I see it in motutools...
[12:29] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: SHould it be somewhere else?
[12:29] <TheMuso> I don't really understand that side of launchpad.
[12:30] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: LP people are only going to see it if it is against launchpad.
[12:30] <TheMuso> Oh ok, so what needs changing?
[12:30] <geser> Hobbsee: http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/code/build_scripts/update-maintainer
[12:30] <Fujitsu> I've not dealt with support requests more than once or twice before, but you somehow need to change the product it is on.
[12:31] <Fujitsu> You might have to create a new one.
[12:31] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: But I mean changing the request so its against launchpad.
[12:32] <Fujitsu> It's against the motutools product, when it should be against the launchpad product. Not sure how to change that.
[12:32] <TheMuso> oh ok.
[12:34] <Hobbsee> nice
[12:34] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: That script is now in the trunk branch of the motutools product.
[12:34] <Hobbsee> nice
[12:34] <Hobbsee> because s/that/this/ i think
[12:39] <geser> is there a howto for using bzr on launchpad?
[12:40] <geser> I've a small patch for lutin's script that allows it to be also called from the debian/ directory
[12:40] <TheMuso> geser: Do you have the branch on your local machine?
[12:41] <TheMuso> I can talk you through it if you want.
[12:41] <geser> not yet
[12:41] <geser> yes please
[12:41] <TheMuso> Ok, the first thing to do is to branch from lp to make a local copy.
[12:42] <TheMuso> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~motu/motutools/trunk <name-of-branch> where name-of-branch is whatever you like. This will be a directory with the bzr branch contents.
[12:42] <geser> in which package is bzr?
[12:42] <geser> is it bzr or bazaar?
[12:43] <pochu> geser: bzr
[12:43] <TheMuso> bzr
[12:44] <geser> branched
[12:45] <TheMuso> Ok. Go into the directory, and make changes to the update-maintainer file.
[12:50] <geser> done
[12:50] <TheMuso> Ok. Before we commit the changes, we want to make sure you have your name against that commit.
[12:50] <TheMuso> So run the command: bzr whoami "Your Name <email@address.you.want>
[12:50] <TheMuso> That should be self-explanetory.
[12:51] <TheMuso> Oh and dont forget the " at the end. :)
[12:51] <geser> done
[12:52] <TheMuso> Ok. Now we will commit the changes: bzr commit -m "Message to describe what was changed goes here."
[12:52] <TheMuso> I was thinking... Have we had a MOTU school session on working with bzr and LP yet?
[12:52] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: No.
[12:52] <TheMuso> Because I think it would be a good idea.
[12:54] <pochu> TheMuso: you can mentor us ;)
[12:54] <geser> done
[12:55] <TheMuso> Ok, now finally, we push back up to lp: bzr push sftp://your-lp-username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~motu/motutools/trunk
[12:55] <pochu> geser: did you see your stats? you're on the top10 :) http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/
[12:56] <TheMuso> geser: You need an SSH key on LP to upload.
[12:56] <geser> pochu: wow
[12:57] <geser> TheMuso: I already have one
[12:57] <TheMuso> Ok then you should be fine.
[12:58] <geser> thanks for the walk-through
[12:58] <TheMuso> You're welcome.
[01:00] <TheMuso> geser: Your pull and push locations are now saved, so that if you ever do more work on scripts/add new scripts, you don't have to keep on entering those URLs.
[01:00] <TheMuso> SO if you were to make more changes, all you'd have to do is run bzr push.
[01:05] <TheMuso> Ok looks like the bzr session has been put forward a couple of times on the school requests page.
[01:52] <RAOF> Ok, I need to learn more about python-distutils before I can fix democracyplayer :(
[01:54] <RAOF> Good night, all.
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: re: bug-killing on Nvu, it's being worked on.  I will be packaging the result when upstream sends it to me.
[02:15] <sacater> hey guys, is there a known feisty problem about something called /dev/.udev/#something, it was doing the 30 mount disk check and i saw it flash by
[02:21] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[02:29] <sacater> TheMuso: ight night
[02:29] <sacater> night*
[02:34] <Fujitsu> I find it a little strange that I'm getting bugmail now for things I did over 2.5 hours ago...
[02:41] <geser> Fujitsu: I've seen mail to u-u-s which was for two days on adelie.ubuntu.com before it reached the u-u-s ml
[02:42] <Fujitsu> geser: Everything from chlorine (lists.ubuntu.com) seems to be delayed by a couple of hours tonight...
[02:44] <poningru> Fujitsu: I see that every now and then
[02:44] <poningru> they have this weird round robin thing that keeps a mail in the loop for a while sometimes
[02:47] <lifeless> erm
[02:47] <lifeless> more that it gets overloaded and the queue grows
[02:48] <lifeless> was 10K one day
[02:52] <Fujitsu> That's... impressive. How does it get so enormous!?
[02:53] <poningru> Fujitsu: bugmail, lists.ubuntu.com etc.
[02:53] <poningru> and you know the employees
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Surely it's not particularly time-consuming to send out email.
[03:01] <DktrKranz> geser, can i bother you for a while?
[03:14] <geser> DktrKranz: sure
[03:15] <DktrKranz> thanks
[03:15] <DktrKranz> during upload of php5 5.2.0-7ubuntu1
[03:15] <DktrKranz> pitti decided not to include some packages
[03:16] <DktrKranz> they were php-imap, php-mcrypt and php-interbase
[03:16] <DktrKranz> i noticed you uploaded the first two
[03:16] <DktrKranz> but php-interbase is still missing
[03:16] <geser> I updated them to not build a php4 package anymore
[03:17] <DktrKranz> yes, i noticed
[03:17] <DktrKranz> so, php-interbase should be managed that way
[03:17] <DktrKranz> remove php4 support
[03:17] <geser> I don't know how exactly the source was splitted. The packages existed already when I looked at them
[03:18] <DktrKranz> it has been removed actually
[03:18] <DktrKranz> but i think you grabbed debian version
[03:19] <DktrKranz> and uploaded it after cleanup of php4 stuff
[03:20] <DktrKranz> they are against 5.2.0, but i think it's not a matter
[03:21] <DktrKranz> php5 is > 5.2.1 actually
[03:21] <geser> and php-imap is still at 5.1.2
[03:21] <DktrKranz> right
[03:22] <DktrKranz> i'm not aware of what API changes were pushed in 5.2
[03:23] <DktrKranz> since there are some unmetdeps bugs against php-interbase
[03:24] <DktrKranz> we could manage to upload such package and test if there are some breakages against it
[03:24] <DktrKranz> does this require a specific procedure?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> !sru
[03:25] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[03:25] <geser> I only mentioned it because these split-out modules need a proper update in feisty+1 to get the source in sync with php5 source
[03:25] <geser> first it would be good to know why php-interbase was removed in feisty
[03:25] <DktrKranz> it was removed in october
[03:26] <DktrKranz> i guess when php5 5.2.0-5 was synced
[03:26] <StevenK> Like anyone uses Interbase.
[03:26] <StevenK> Interbase. *spit*
[03:27] <DktrKranz> StevenK, yes, but some packages are broken
[03:27] <StevenK> php-interbase has also been killed from Debian.
[03:28] <DktrKranz> really?
[03:28] <geser> it moved into php5
[03:28] <StevenK> Fair enough, I see that.
[03:29] <geser> but we need it split because of the build-depends on firebird2-dev
[03:29] <DktrKranz> php-interbase source package no longer exists
[03:29] <DktrKranz> but it is part of php5 (Debian)
[03:29] <geser> that's the reason we still have php-{imap,mcrypt}
[03:31] <DktrKranz> given that, does php-interbase need the same treatment?
[03:31] <geser> if it was removed because debian removed it then we should introduce it again
[03:32] <geser> main packages can't build-depend on universe packages, can they?
[03:32] <StevenK> Certainly not!
[03:32] <DktrKranz> no, there was an issue with git-core
[03:32] <DktrKranz> which required liberror-perl
[03:33] <StevenK> Just like Priority: optional can't build-depend (or depend) on Priority: extra packages
[03:33] <geser> so we must introduce it back again
[03:33] <geser> does it need some freeze exceptions?
[03:33] <StevenK> Can't we just have php5-interbase Provide: php-interbase
[03:33] <DktrKranz> no, if we use 5.2.1 source package
[03:33] <StevenK> Oh? Why not?
[03:33] <DktrKranz> but waiy
[03:33] <DktrKranz> it was dropped
[03:34] <geser> StevenK: and where do you get php5-interbase from?
[03:34] <DktrKranz> *wait
[03:34] <StevenK> Well, it still exists in sid.
[03:34] <geser> php5 in Debian build php5-interbase
[03:34] <DktrKranz> only binary, AFAIK
[03:34] <geser> that's the problem
[03:34] <cypher1> is there any chance that Kdevelop 3.4.0 will be backported to edgy-backport ?
[03:35] <StevenK> And? You don't require source packages to build
[03:35] <StevenK> I'm sorry, I don't see the problem
[03:36] <Hobbsee> cypher1: very unlikely.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> cypher1: ask jdong when he's around
[03:36] <cypher1> Hobbsee, :(
[03:36] <imbrandon> depends on what it needs to link against
[03:36] <imbrandon> file a backlport bug
[03:36] <geser> how do we build php5-interbase from the source package php5 (main)? firebird2-dev (universe) is needed for it
[03:36] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[03:36] <cypher1> Hobbsee, ok i will check.. but one more question regarding it.. how about it in dapper, given it an LTS
[03:37] <StevenK> geser: That's up the php5 package in main.
[03:37] <DktrKranz> i think we can handle it the same as php-imap
[03:37] <Hobbsee> cypher1: LTS means frozen release - security fixes ONLY, and some updates for majorly broken apps.
[03:37] <imbrandon> dapper is far less likely, edgy possibly, it all depends on how clean it compiles against old kde libs
[03:37] <Hobbsee> cypher1: ditto edgy.
[03:37] <DktrKranz> using previous source package php-interbase
[03:37] <StevenK> geser: php5 in main is quite able to dump a php5-interbase binary into universe.
[03:37] <DktrKranz> this way we can avoid universe dependency
[03:37] <cypher1> Hobbsee, ok! thanks
[03:38] <Hobbsee> cypher1: anything that's already release requires a very good, important reason, for anything in it to be updated.  security fixes are about it.
[03:38] <geser> StevenK: and the build-depends for it?
[03:38] <StevenK> geser: Expand it?
[03:38] <imbrandon> except backports , but they arent supported ;)
[03:38] <geser> to build php5-interbase you need firebird2-dev from universe
[03:38] <imbrandon> leaste not by canonical support
[03:39] <Hobbsee> not by any support apart from jdong and cronies, really :P
[03:39] <Hobbsee> MOTU doesnt have access to it
[03:39] <StevenK> I note php5 5.2.1 is in Feisty
[03:40] <DktrKranz> StevenK, yes but these package were intentionally removed from it
[03:40] <cypher1> Hobbsee, imbrandon thanks for the explanation :)
[03:40] <imbrandon> brb food
[03:41] <geser> Remove firebird2-dev build dependency and php5-interbase package, since
[03:41] <geser> +      we don't support Firebird and keep the separate php-interbase source.
[03:41] <StevenK> Uploading a php5 to universe just to build a php or php5-interbase will not make you very popular at all.
[03:41] <geser> from the merged php5 changelog
[03:41] <StevenK> My excuse is 'Who uses Interbase anyway?'
[03:41] <StevenK> It's a complete piece of crap.
[03:42] <geser> we already have parts of php5 there: php5-imap (php-imap) and php5-mcrypt(php-mcrypt)
[03:42] <imbrandon> php goes to universe is the day i use debian
[03:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:42] <geser> we need to reintroduce php-interbase which was already in universe
[03:42] <StevenK> I see that.
[03:42] <StevenK> geser: *Why*?
[03:43] <StevenK> imbrandon: php4 just got booted from universe. Bye then.
[03:43] <geser> StevenK: if php5 (main) can't build-depend on firebird2-dev (universe) how to want to build a php5-interbase package?
[03:44] <geser> or I'm overlooking something?
[03:44] <StevenK> geser: firebird2 has to be promoted or other evil. Since firebird isn't supported and probably isn't going to become supported, we either say "We don't care", or look for a more elegant solution.
[03:45] <DktrKranz> could uploading as a standalone package be a solution?
[03:46] <StevenK> Which is neatly inelegant.
[03:46] <geser> demote php5 :)
[03:46] <StevenK> And we loose imbrandon. Oh well.
[03:46] <StevenK> imbrandon: We'll miss you. Or something.
[03:46] <DktrKranz> i think you'll have some troubles :)
[03:48] <StevenK> geser: I note you still haven't answered my fundamental question. *Why*?
[03:48] <DktrKranz> StevenK, look at rdepends
[03:48] <StevenK> Of what?
[03:48] <DktrKranz> there are some packages which needs it
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <StevenK> In feisty? Nuh uh, because it doesn't exist.
[03:50] <geser> StevenK: to fix bug #96384
[03:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 96384 in ibwebadmin "[UNMETDEPS]  ibwebadmin has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96384
[03:51] <DktrKranz> it is one reason
[03:51] <StevenK> The other way to fix it is to brutally punt ibwebadmin out of the archive?
[03:51] <DktrKranz> maybe not the only one
[03:51] <bddebian> What package are we talking about?
[03:51] <DktrKranz> i'll have a deeper look
[03:51] <DktrKranz> bddebian, php-interbase
[03:51] <bddebian> Ahh
[03:52] <geser> StevenK: that's also a option. it this more elegant?
[03:52] <geser> hi bddebian
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya geser
[03:52] <StevenK> geser: Yup.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> bddebian: about pound - you assigned u-u-s - you're a MOTU - why didnt you just go fix it?
[03:53] <DktrKranz> d'oh!
[03:53] <bddebian> Hobbsee: pound?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yes.  the package.
[03:54] <bddebian> Hrm, php-interbase was ripped out of Debian too eh
[03:54] <DktrKranz> bddebian, it was included into php5
[03:54] <bddebian> oh
[03:54] <geser> bddebian: bug #67913
[03:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 67913 in pound ""pound" postinst breaks during dapper to edgy dist-upgrade" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67913
[03:55] <DktrKranz> but we have troubles with firebird2-dev, which is in universe
[03:55] <DktrKranz> while php5 is in main
[03:55] <bddebian> There were several bugs with patches during the last Hug Day that Dholbach wanted subscribed to UUS
[03:55] <bddebian> So I just subscribed a ton of them and haven't gotten back to them yet :-(
[03:56] <Hobbsee> bddebian: right
[03:56] <bddebian> DktrKranz: Why is that an issue?
[03:56] <DktrKranz> it requires it in order to be built
[03:57] <bddebian> So?
[03:57] <DktrKranz> a package in main should not depend on something in universe
[03:57] <Hobbsee> DktrKranz: not should not.  cant.
[03:57] <StevenK> No. *Can not*
[03:58] <DktrKranz> of course :)
[03:58] <bddebian> You lost me there, firebird2-dev is in Universe but needs php5 from main?
[03:59] <DktrKranz> bddebian, it's a slightly different matter
[03:59] <DktrKranz> in debian, php5-interbase is part of php5
[03:59] <DktrKranz> php5-interbase depends on libfirebird2-dev
[04:00] <DktrKranz> in ubuntu, such package is in universe
[04:00] <DktrKranz> so we can't put it in php5 by default
[04:00] <DktrKranz> so pitti, during upload phase, splitted them
[04:01] <DktrKranz> php5 is now in main without a couple of package
[04:01] <DktrKranz> some of them have been uploaded in universe as stand-alone packages
[04:01] <DktrKranz> php-interbase wasn't
[04:02] <cypher1> i am thinking of working on one of the bugs mentioned at http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html 
[04:02] <StevenK> I don't like this. Perhaps a php5-universe package that builds all of them, like mcrypt, imap and interbase?
[04:02] <cypher1> i was thinking on the uswsusp bug
[04:03] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[04:03] <DktrKranz> StevenK, could be an interesting option
[04:03] <cypher1> do we have to port just the fix for the bug marked as grave or the latest unstable release as part of it ?
[04:03] <StevenK> cypher1: uswsusp is ... complicated.
[04:03] <cypher1> StevenK, oh!
[04:03] <StevenK> At this point, backport only the fix
[04:04] <StevenK> I'd suggest you leave uswsusp alone, though.
[04:04] <cypher1> StevenK, thanks.. let me try whether i can do it :)
[04:04] <StevenK> I have a merge of 0.6~cvs20070202-1 that will get uploaded when Feisty+1 opens
[04:04] <geser> StevenK: keeping the splitout modules in one source package would be an improvement (if we want to keep them)
[04:05] <StevenK> geser: I'd prefer that to having five or six seperate php source trees
[04:05] <DktrKranz> such way we have only two main sources
[04:05] <StevenK> No matter how much of a wet dream it gives imbrandon.
[04:05] <cypher1> StevenK, ok great.. then there is no point in porting the fix right ? or the bugs listed in the URL are targeted for feisty ?
[04:05] <DktrKranz> instead of having four packages
[04:06] <StevenK> The bugs listed are Debian bugs, targeted at Debian unstable.
[04:08] <cypher1> StevenK, sorry if i am repeating since i did not quite understood, will it be useful if i port just the fix for the grave bug since you already have a merge
[04:08] <geser> StevenK: it's not the complete php5 source in universe: the orig.tar.gz for php-imap is only 32 KiB big
[04:08] <bddebian> cypher1: Almost all of the grave ones have already been submitted unless you want to try gnucash or jokosher
[04:08] <cypher1> bddebian, ok! cool
[04:09] <DktrKranz> geser, what about having a brand new package which contains only such packages?
[04:10] <geser> I'm in favour of having only one source package for the split-out php5 modules
[04:11] <bddebian> That is an ugly issue
[04:12] <StevenK> geser: It's still seperate and still needs to be updated by itself.
[04:17] <geser> have you an idea how to keep the new source package for those modules updated? without to much work for MOTUs
[04:18] <StevenK> None.
[04:20] <DktrKranz> if we keep those package apart, it's not an easy task
[04:21] <StevenK> Yes. I think we want to raise this issue with the Tech Board
[04:21] <DktrKranz> they should be reviewed each time php5 hits main
[04:21] <StevenK> Since it's fine that we want the extra modules, and its fine that they're not supported, but we want to provide them.
[04:22] <DktrKranz> i mailed pitti about it after a discussion with laserjock last night
[04:22] <StevenK> Right.
[04:22] <DktrKranz> so we could listen at him
[04:24] <DktrKranz> anyway, it seems php5-interbase is required by ibwebadmin only
[04:24] <DktrKranz> so it wouldn't take too much time to fix unmetdeps
[04:28] <StevenK> Or just punt ibwebadmin out
[04:29] <DktrKranz> uhm, what about php-{imap,mcrypt} dependencies?
[04:30] <DktrKranz> they're present too
[04:30] <bddebian> punt it, Debian has orphaned it too :-)
[04:32] <DktrKranz> we can simply handle this that way
[04:32] <DktrKranz> but original problem still exists
[04:33] <DktrKranz> how handle php-something packages which lie in universe?
[04:33] <StevenK> DktrKranz: So we punt ibwebadmin, and we visit this *properly* for Feisty+1 when we have time for wide-sweeping changes?
[04:33] <DktrKranz> StevenK, could go for now
[04:33] <StevenK> Hrm. I seem to recall uploading something for you.
[04:34] <DktrKranz> about what?
[04:34] <StevenK> Going back a few weeks, a patch on a bug.
[04:34] <DktrKranz> perhaps
[04:34] <DktrKranz> i uploaded some packages so far
[04:35] <DktrKranz> but geser was my main sponsor :)
[05:24] <mr_pouit> XSBC-Original-Maintainer doesn't exist on edgy, right?
[05:25] <mr_pouit> so there's no need to edit debian/control when doing a SRU?
[06:11] <imbrandon> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html
[06:13] <jekil> hello
[06:14] <danohuiginn> hi, jekil
[08:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 99406 in filezilla "[UVFe request]  filezilla 3.0.0~beta7-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99406
[10:02] <Unomas> hi, here is a man trying to throw away my old habits
[10:02] <Unomas> windows, he he, but i have got aproblem when i try to configure my wireless net, can someone help me?
[10:07] <superm1> Unomas, this is a package maintenance and development channel. probably head over to #ubuntu
[10:12] <Unomas> sorry, ok
[10:12] <Unomas> bye
[10:13] <superm1> Unomas, gl
[10:24] <ucap> hi there, I would love to get into bug fixing - starting off with the easy ones first (bitesize) but I haven't got a clue where to start. Are there any resources I could read to get me started?
[10:27] <geser> have you already looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU?
[10:29] <sacater> ucap: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.component=4&field.component=3&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream=&field.status_upstream-em
[10:29] <sacater> trust me it works
[10:31] <ucap> geser: yes, I have, but to be honest, that site doesn't provide much help for a beginner like me..
[10:36] <geser> ucap: have you any specific questions? it's easier to point to the right docu
[10:37] <ucap> sacater: I clicked on your link, but I couldn't log in with my launchpad username..
[10:38] <ucap> geser: I'll get back to you in a minute
[10:39] <sacater> ucap: oh, remove the beta bit from the link
[10:51] <ucap> geser: I'm back. Well I guess I'm looking for some kind of tutorial/document that will help me get started with packing etc.
[10:52] <geser> for packaging there is a good guide
[10:52] <geser> !packaging guide
[10:52] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[10:52] <ucap> sacater: that link just leads to a list of bugs...
[10:53] <sacater> ucap: yes, bitesize ones
[10:53] <ucap> geser: that looks promising - thanks.
[10:55] <ucap> sacater: ok. I know how to find the bitesizes bugs, I'm just looking for advice on how and where to get started fixing those bugs ;-) but thanks anyway.
[10:56] <sacater> ucap: tis no problem
[10:56] <sacater> ucap: easiest thing are probably bugs that need a .desktop file or ones that need fixing
[11:00] <ucap> thanks - I guess I'll start reading the guide and will then have a go at one of these bugs. Thanks for your help.
[11:02] <ajmitch> morning
[11:03] <joejaxx> ajmitch: Good Morning
[11:04] <bddebian> Heya gang
[11:04] <joejaxx> hello bddebian 
[11:05] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[11:05] <sacater> bddebian: hi
[11:06] <bddebian> Heya sacater
[11:28] <shawarma> crimsun: around?
[11:32] <joejaxx> LaserJock: hello :)
[11:33] <LaserJock> hi joejaxx 
[11:43] <bddebian2> Heya LaserJock
[11:47] <joejaxx> i need to find someone that has a blog on planet :P
[11:48] <shawarma> joejaxx: You're a member, why don't you just add yourself?
[11:48] <joejaxx> i have only two blog posts on my blog
[11:49] <joejaxx> and that was back in september :P
[11:49] <shawarma> joejaxx: Heh. Ok.
[11:51] <shawarma> joejaxx: What do you need to have announced anyway?
[11:51] <joejaxx> well it is kind of late for it
[11:51] <joejaxx> it was an april fools thing
[11:52] <joejaxx> but as there are 5 hours and 9 minutes left today i think i will leave it :P
[11:55] <shawarma> joejaxx: sure. You can save it for next year.
[11:55] <joejaxx> yeah that is true
[11:56] <joejaxx> :)
[11:56] <shawarma> I wish The Onion would post some real news on April 1st. That would be kind of funny.
[11:56] <joejaxx> yeah
[11:57] <crimsun> shawarma: hi.
[11:57] <shawarma> crimsun: Hey.
[11:58] <shawarma> crimsun: It's probably been discussed before, but I'm wondering why we don't add a software synthesizer to alsa by default? I was unaware of the fact that timidity could be used that way up until a couple of years ago, and also unaware of how easy it was to enable in Ubuntu up until an hour and a half ago. It *so* seems like low hanging fruit..
[11:59] <crimsun> shawarma: there's talk of doing so, but it's not feasible IMO until the new mixer interface is stabilised and coded.
[12:00] <shawarma> crimsun: Ok.. Yeah, I guess it would be a bit confusing that the mixer dial for midi doesn't change the sound level for midi, but the pcm one does..
[12:00] <shawarma> crimsun: Or is that not it?
[12:00] <crimsun> shawarma: that's part of it
[12:01] <crimsun> the major part is where & how it would hook into -lib and -kernel
[12:02] <shawarma> crimsun: The way timidity does it now is not cool enough?
[12:02] <shawarma> crimsun: I've never really used midi for anything but playing the odd midi file once or twice each year..
[12:03] <crimsun> shawarma: timidity is timidity. Jaroslav, Takashi et al. seem to have other plans for midi
[12:03] <shawarma> crimsun: I suppose those names should mean something to me.. :-)
[12:04] <shawarma> crimsun: Alsa people, I take it?
[12:04] <crimsun> yes, the two core alsa people employed by suse^Hnovell
[12:05] <shawarma> crimsun: Right, ok. 
[12:06] <crimsun> TheMuso: I haven't chatted with tsmithe lately, but I've pushed the missing intel8x0 quirks from Edgy to Ben, so we're caught up in that regard. I need to fix the ac97/ac97_patch.c regressions in Feisty and push ardour2 packaging to bzr, and then I'll hand the latter over.
[12:09] <shawarma> crimsun: But even thought the alsa people have funny ideas, we could just use timidity for the time being.
[12:09] <crimsun> shawarma: I'm not sure what you mean by "use timidity".
[12:09] <crimsun> MIR -> main -> desktop seed(s)?
[12:10] <shawarma> crimsun: Use timidity as a software synth through alsa.
[12:11] <shawarma> crimsun: ..and also by default, yes.