[12:12] mr_pouit: what about using bash instead? [12:13] pochu: yes, it also seems to me to be the best solution === djm62 [n=djm62@82-40-58-61.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] mr_pouit: if it's easy then make it also run with /bin/sh [12:27] geser: erm... uploaded a few seconds before :/ [12:28] mr_pouit: You might want to forward that bug to Debian, if it isn't already there. [12:28] Fujitsu: it isn't there [12:28] I was not sure whether it was a bashism or not [12:29] I'll forward it === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@cs27009116.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] what automounts USB sticks? [12:38] gnomefreak: gnome-volume-managerf [12:38] *manager [12:38] Hey LaserJock. [12:38] i was afraid you were gonna say that [12:39] im gonna assume same for cds and dvds? [12:39] Correct. [12:39] damn [12:39] Why? [12:39] someone automounts cds but not usbs [12:40] Have you checked the settings in System->Preferences->Removable Drives and Media? [12:40] and i cant dupe this issue in feisty. but he states with or without vmware running same results. vm == xp i was thinking they were fighting over who was gonna automount ubuntu or xp :( === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] hi Fujitsu [12:47] Fujitsu: forwarded :) [12:48] mr_pouit: Great :) [12:51] man, there are a lot of gnumeric bugs [12:53] gnubugis === bigon [n=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil2 [n=alessand@151.82.2.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil2 is now known as jekil === djm62 [n=djm62@82-40-58-61.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:11] ~... [01:12] nifty ASCII art [01:12] heh [01:13] foooooood , bbiab === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil2 [n=alessand@151.82.2.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] Fujitsu: check out ~motuscience, I set the branding [01:20] Nice! [01:21] I haven't seen that option before, I don't think. [01:21] it's brand new [01:21] ? [01:21] imbrandon: Beta how has "branding" [01:22] LP Beta [01:22] ahh cool [01:22] The branding has been there for ages, but the option to change it is new. [01:22] LaserJock: Where'd you get the image? [01:22] i would look but i'm on a console only etch install untill osx gets done reloading [01:22] well, I grabbed a couple of images from openclipart [01:22] then I inkscaped them a little [01:23] you guys are LP Beta testers right? [01:23] yea [01:23] i am, but i'm console only for the next ~30 minutes [01:23] did you get an email from Mark yesterday? [01:23] probably i'm backloged on my mail === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] by about 48 hours [01:25] ".... installing bsd subsystem ..." i've seen that 5 times now today [01:27] what are you installing? [01:27] osx 10.4.9 [01:27] oh, yeah [01:27] ( and etch on another box ) [01:28] hahaha xp sp1 serial in his sig [01:28] ( jdongs ) === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.2.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Fujitsu: did you get an email from Mark about Beta? [01:35] Not directly, and not to any list I can see. [01:35] When? [01:36] yesterday [01:37] I didn't get it. [01:37] ahh got gui back, one sec lemme check [01:37] LaserJock: about branding and user guide ? [01:37] stgraber: yeah [01:38] I don't remember seeing anything. [01:38] ok, well I guess maybe not all the Beta testers got one or something [01:39] I just wondered if he was sending it directly to me or not [01:39] i dont have one either [01:40] gmail searched [01:41] LaserJock: http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ [01:41] any other stats i should add? [01:41] joejaxx: Haha, I did something like that for my own interest a few weeks ago. [01:41] joejaxx: cool [01:41] (repository in the title is missing an o) === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121npi.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] whoops you are right it is missing an o [01:42] joejaxx: The second list has only 9 packages listed. [01:42] TheMuso: I see 10. [01:43] TheMuso: hmm let me fix that as well [01:43] hrm i see 10 [01:43] me too [01:43] sorry so do I. === TheMuso can't count. :) [01:43] heheh [01:43] :) [01:43] I was going to say you need to get some glasses ... [01:43] lol [01:43] lol [01:44] i am trying to think of other stats that can be compiled [01:44] Top ten karma? :p [01:44] lol [01:46] 400 bugs to go until the big 100k :-( [01:46] Fujitsu: really? :\ [01:46] Probably a little under 24 hours. [01:47] wow :\ [01:47] Oops, 48. [01:47] I got the scale on the graphs wrong. [01:48] what graph? [01:49] http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats [01:50] It didn't seem all that long ago that we hit 50000. [01:50] Bug #99411 has a nice summary. [01:50] Malone bug 99411 in timidity "i'm not a good writer in english" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99411 === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] hehe [01:59] good n8 === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] which mailing lists deals with universe bugs only? [02:06] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/universe-bugs [02:06] ah nice === Fujitsu wishes there was a universe-bugs-without-beryl-or-compiz-or-xgl list. [02:06] LOL === Fujitsu sets up filters to do so. [02:07] They make up a fair portion of our bugs. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] ahh there we go, fully back in the world of a gui [02:10] :) [02:10] i am about to create some universe bug stats too [02:10] imbrandon: How boring. [02:11] twin ftw [02:11] it is a balance between the two [02:11] though most people think it is ugly :P [02:11] it is a text-mode window manager [02:11] I saw elmo saying the other day that the are maybe going to stop archiving ubuntu-bugs [02:12] apparently the opteron machine that runs the MLs is getting bogged down just archiving [02:12] LaserJock: wow it has hit a gig [02:12] 1.5GB [02:13] LP is the archive of the bugs, i see no reason to keep the mails too [02:13] well the size of it [02:13] for a long peroid that is [02:15] imbrandon: it's really hard to see bug activity via LP though [02:15] soooo lets come up with a solution instead of creating a problem ;) [02:15] :) [02:16] who's creating a problem? :-) [02:16] ML archives hehe [02:16] I bet if we turned off apport it'd help ;-) [02:16] I'm getting probably 3-4 times more bugmails becuase of it [02:17] or the ubuntu foundation dips into the funs annd beefs up the opteron to a cluster or seomthing :) [02:17] funds* [02:17] I'll be glad when apport is turned off, at least for a few months. [02:18] We might be able to catch up a bit when apport is turned off. [02:18] imbrandon: a ML cluster :P [02:18] Having a better email interface (tagging, for example) would help. [02:18] Fujitsu: It would indeed. [02:19] joejaxx: for every problem there is a solution ;) look at gmane archives ;) [02:19] Now if we want retraces, we have to get the email, click the link, wait ages for it to load, click the edit link, wait more ages, enter the tag, click the submit button, wait ages... [02:19] imbrandon: clusters solve everything :) [02:19] imbrandon: if you cannot handle, load balance it :P [02:19] well, we just need to get LP Beta out the door [02:20] Beta looks like it's getting close to done. [02:20] there are many more types of clusters than LB's, LB get hit hard too [02:20] once that's done then we'll get PPA/xml-rpc love [02:20] Fujitsu: Hey I'd be all for being able to manipulate bugs via email. I'd probably almost exclusively do it that way [02:20] imbrandon: yeap HP/HA [02:20] TheMuso: As would I, if everything could be done through it. [02:20] yall sounds like DD's now, i hate using email for anything but, well, mail [02:21] imbrandon: i think i am going to have a top 10 universe bugs category [02:21] I don't like email period [02:21] imbrandon: Its called efficiency. [02:21] For me at least. [02:21] TheMuso: when i get 8k emails a day its ANYTHING but effecient [02:21] no matter how good my filters/search are [02:22] I don't find email very efficient most of the time, but that's probably because I don't know how to use it well [02:22] imbrandon: It's a whole lot quicker to hit reply and type a few things than use the web interface. [02:22] like Debian's BTS just kills me so I never file bugs there [02:22] imbrandon: But in terms of doing bug work based on what one has received from being a member of a particular team etc, one can simply reply to a bug mesage, drop commands in, and see the bug manipulated. I could do that in far less time than it would take to even load the bug page from LP. === harrison[hidden] [n=Harrison@r220-101-77-68.cpe.unwired.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] progmatic interfaces to LP and such i'm all for , such as xml-rpc etc, but email is... well intended for mail === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] TheMuso: I find it hard with email because it's all split up [02:23] so I gotta go through a whole thread to figure out what's going on [02:23] or I can go to one URL [02:23] TheMuso: no that means there is a failuure in the team UI of LP, not that LP needs to clobber another medium [02:23] LaserJock: do you use gmail for BTS? [02:24] imbrandon: No, it means that web UIs suck for this sort of thing. [02:24] crimsun: Debian's? [02:24] LaserJock: yes [02:24] crimsun: no, I don't use BTS [02:24] crimsun: i do, only becuse i rarely have a pure debian install === harrison[hidden] is now known as harrisony[seen [02:24] to use anything else [02:24] but when I have tried I didn't use gmail [02:24] is gmail better? [02:25] i.e., I thought gmail had a fairly interesting UI for threading [02:25] I tried reportbug once [02:25] yea it handles conversations well [02:25] didn't work so well [02:25] then I tried just plain email, that also ended badly [02:26] I'm just lucky the 2 packages I maintain in Debian don't have any bugs filed [02:26] that can be adjusted :-) [02:26] lol [02:26] heh [02:26] nooo [02:27] ok, git time [02:27] I just wish it had even a minimal web interface [02:28] but I guess I just need to suck it up and learn how to do it via email [02:28] lots of php/perl + greasemonkey plugin and you can have a personal BTS web interface :) [02:28] actualy more JS than php probably [02:33] bah, for all that work I could just figure out how to deal with the email interface [02:35] :) [02:35] thats funny because for all the work i tried to make konversation more like irssi with a GUI i just started using irssi [02:35] duuno if thats good or bad [02:40] LaserJock, do you mind that problem regarding php and php5-interbase we introduced earlier this afternoon? [02:40] yes, glad you're back [02:41] well, i looked at it [02:41] just a bit, it is quite late here :) [02:41] imbrandon: yeah, I just got irssi,mutt,screen working well. It's pretty hard to bit [02:41] anyway, I think php 5.2.1 lacks it [02:42] so we should consider to provide it in some way [02:42] so php5 *should* be producing a php5-interbas package [02:42] looking at php5 changelog, it was decided to publish a single package [02:44] or at least pitti handled that way === djm62 [n=djm62@82-40-58-61.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-199-156.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] DktrKranz: ok, so maybe ask him about it [02:55] ok, i will gather some additional infos [02:55] i think php5-interbase won't be the only one missing [02:55] we have some unmetdeps [02:56] and we are unable to fix them without those packages :( === djm62 [n=djm62@82-40-58-61.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Anybody finding LP really sluggish atm? === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] Not me. [03:08] I'm just browising all the bugs I [03:09] I've got debdiffs on, and they load pretty quickly. === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] Has anybody been able to get LP bug mail to thread sanely? [03:17] Fujitsu: do you use gmail? [03:17] joejaxx: No. [03:18] gmail organizes mine into groups [03:18] The Message-Id and References fields are all wrong on these emails, so I can't see how it would do it. [03:19] I think that gmail threads by subject, actually. === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] yeah [03:20] So it mostly works, and occasionally gets thing annoyingly wrong. [03:20] c [03:20] gah [03:20] so for example for b-u-g 43061 all 11 emails are grouped together [03:21] or for the "bzr for packaging" thread all 18 emails are together === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] re [03:30] heeeelo bddebian [03:30] hello bddebian [03:30] :) [03:31] Heya RAOF, joejaxx === jml [n=jml@dsl-210-15-197-192-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] And hello jml [03:32] RAOF: hi === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] Incidentally, is there a process for debdiffs for main bugs, similar to subscribing u-u-s to universe debdiffs? [03:33] I've checked out the wiki, but everything seems to direct me to u-u-s. [03:33] use ubuntu-main-sponsors. [03:34] Awesome. I suppose I should've searched launchpad for such an obviously-named group :/ === harrisony[seen is now known as harrisony === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] good night :) === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Microsoft] [03:47] thats one good exit message! === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lotusleaf [n=ohzone@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] oh for goodness sakes [04:21] Please, expound your frustration :) [04:22] the scigraphica diff.gz is 370K and the .orig.tar.gz is 822K [04:22] nice [04:22] that seems like a little more than just some packaging :/ [04:22] :) [04:23] Maybe a few dozen patches in the form of direct changes to source? :p [04:23] yes, just a few [04:23] mantha@photon:~/tmp$ zgrep +++ scigraphica_0.8.0-9.1ubuntu3.diff.gz | wc -l [04:23] 54 [04:23] Wow. [04:24] Fun. [04:24] more importantly: [04:24] mantha@photon:~/tmp$ zgrep +++ scigraphica_0.8.0-9.1ubuntu3.diff.gz | grep -v debian | wc -l [04:24] 42 [04:24] Double ouch!! === TheMuso thinks that that package could do with a repackage from scratch. [04:25] Once all the reasons for the patches have been determined. [04:26] it changes pretty much every autotools file [04:26] config* [04:26] all the Makefiles [04:27] LaserJock: Actually, you could be a little more sure that you have the right numbers, by doing something like zgrep "^+++ " [04:27] and about 10-15 actual code (.py and .c) files [04:27] TheMuso: yeah, but it's close enough ;-) [04:27] True. [04:27] I just do that to get a general idea [04:27] Yeah fair enough. [04:27] but yeah, it'll also pick up patches in the .diff.gz [04:28] as they will be ++++ and +++- [04:28] What I do to find out things like that, is to put the source package together manually, i.e untar the orig, then apply the diff.gz by hand. [04:28] And sometimes even with a dry run. [04:28] This way, you can also find out whether orig tarballs are incorrectly packed. [04:29] I just have no idea why the Debian maintainer doesn't use any patchs [04:30] I would think it would be a pain to maintain [04:30] So would I. [04:31] Thanks to things like dpatch-edit-patch, patching couldn't be easier. [04:33] Hm. I'm pretty sure that the debdiff for bug #97661 will fix all but one of the reported bugs in compiz-extra. Cool! [04:33] Malone bug 97661 in compiz-extra "Loading any Compiz-Extra plugins causes Compiz to segfault" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97661 === DarkMageZ [n=Richard@ppp246-206.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] LaserJock: I agree. Given how brain-damagingly easy dpatch has become, why not use it to maintain patches. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] Does anyone really care about this RC bug list or should I be working on something else? [05:03] I really care [05:04] bddebian: I think the RC bug list is about the most important thing we can be doing right now [05:05] OK, well I think all of the grave ones are filed except for brickos (which needs the new gcc-h8300-hms) and audacity (which I ain't gonna touch) :-) [05:06] I thought we had the new (old) H8/300 GCC... It was approved, at least. === lotusleaf [n=ohzone@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-motu ["trombone"] [05:13] Fujitsu: It was approved by dholbach I think but I don't think it's been brought in yet [05:14] Oh crap and gnucash and jokosher [05:18] hi Hobbsee ;-) [05:20] heya LaserJock === RAOF_ [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@cs181044250.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jimpop [n=jimpop@c-76-17-105-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] !sled [06:08] Sorry, I don't know anything about sled - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:08] !love [06:08] Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come. [06:08] lol the ice-weasels === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-15.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-053-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@cs181044250.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === simonxx [n=simon@203.142.123.134] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] harrisony: Yes you are. === Phlosten [n=Phlosten@60.229.161.73] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] harrisony: Sure. Just give me a revu link when you are ready. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] Note that the chance of getting it into feisty is zero atm. === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] !packagingguide harrisony [07:05] !packagingguide [07:05] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-18.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUN1 [n=q-funk@cs27009116.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yigal [n=yigal@c-67-180-5-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@cs27009116.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yigal [n=yigal@c-67-180-5-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:18] c [08:18] ugh [08:19] Again, you make with the "c". [08:19] What's with that? [08:20] d === RAOF wonders whether that's some sort of shortcut key in irssi or something [08:24] Um, can somebody see if I'm missing some aspect of bug #40690? [08:24] Malone bug 40690 in tspc "tspc not non-startable" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40690 [08:24] It makes little sense. [08:25] bah, stupid taxes [08:27] Fujitsu: That's... special. Nice use of the double-negation, too :) [08:27] Ah, didn't notice that. So it contradicts itself... [08:27] The summary says it can't not be started, but the description gives two methods of doing it... What the!? === yigal [n=yigal@c-67-180-5-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chris___ [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] good morning! [08:31] hey gpocentek [08:32] does anybody know why there is no build of xmms2 in Feisty or for that matter anything related to xmms2? [08:33] Because no-one has asked for it to be sync'd from debian in the right way? Is it *in* debian? [08:33] hello Hobbsee [08:34] RAOF: yes I am using Deb packages but there are some packages that are incompatible with Ub. [08:36] RAOF: I like to listen to last.fm in the command line and xmms2 lets me do that. [08:37] anyone know how I can use germinate or whatever to install all packages in ubuntu-minimal for feisty? [08:37] yigal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess is probably what you're after [08:37] install the source for those [08:37] RAOF: ty, I'll take a looksee [08:38] yigal: Or even this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [08:38] RAOF: there have been NO successful builds of xmms2 on Feisty but attempts have been made [08:39] Where have the problems been? [08:39] ROAF: from deb source [08:39] with git [08:39] ? [08:39] With git? As in, from xmms2 git? [08:40] yigal: I mean "why does building the Debian source package on Feisty fail"? [08:41] RAOF: best I can do is point you to launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/xmms2/0.2DrHouse-3.1ubuntu3 [08:42] fatal: Not a git repository [08:42] RAOF: for i386 it was FAILED [dpkg-buildpackage died] [08:42] fatal: Not a git repository [08:43] Checking for working C compiler... no [08:43] hi LaserJock [08:43] hi yigal [08:43] got your email ty [08:43] LaserJock: Is that even possible? [08:43] yigal: no problem [08:43] Fujitsu: I'm not really sure what it's expecting [08:43] They seem to have some crazy build system happening there. [08:44] RAOF: for xmms2? [08:44] Yeah. [08:44] RAOF: its Linus's very own build system [08:44] scons [08:44] yes [08:44] See, crazy :) [08:44] Oooh, that's scary. [08:44] :) === RAOF has *never* seen something that used scons [08:44] Well, never before :) [08:45] RAOF: Its I think its used in playstation 3 or something :) [08:45] something weird like that [08:46] LaserJock: did you get my earlier message? [08:46] email message? [08:47] LaserJock: no irc [08:47] hmm, no I don't think I saw it [08:47] LaserJock: ok here I will paste it, "Hi Jordan do you have time to talk to a motu-hopeful? You sent me an email about packaging Maxima and helping me learn the ropes of Deb/Ub. packaging I was hoping you were available" [08:49] yeah sure [08:49] I probably can't right now though [08:49] it's almost midnight here [08:50] fare, I just want a few, yes I am in Sanfran [08:50] same time zon [08:50] e [08:50] oh seet [08:50] *sweet [08:50] :) [08:50] I'm in Reno [08:50] Nice === Rohinton [n=chatzill@c-67-170-250-22.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] well, the other people in here are pretty helpful too === Bubble [i=Bubble@unaffiliated/bubble] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] well you are in Ub-science [08:51] Fujitsu's the most active MOTU Science guy right now [08:51] great === Fujitsu pokes his head of his cave. [08:52] I'm kinda leader/cheerleader most of the time [08:52] Fujitsu: yigal here wants to help with Maxima ;-) === Fujitsu bows to Kind LaserJock. [08:52] I am honered [08:52] yigal: You're brave. [08:52] *King [08:52] or stupid :) === Fujitsu whimpers at the thought of that 53KLOC patch... [08:53] I actually would like to get Maxima into Main for Feisty+1 [08:53] you are a Brave soul. [08:53] what should be m 1st steps [08:53] as far as either of you can see [08:53] I know this is a very general question [08:53] well, you need to run through the Packaging Guide [08:53] and depends on a lot of context [08:53] done [08:54] get your feet wet with source packages [08:54] coarsely but done [08:54] ok [08:54] what is a good 1st goal, like a project or homework assignment [08:54] start pouncing on maxima bugs :-) [08:54] ok, build Maxima from source and defeat a bug [08:55] 1st homework assignment [08:55] :) [08:55] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxmaxima/+bugs [08:55] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maxima/+bugs [08:56] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texmacs/+bugs might also be interesting [08:56] wxmaxima bug is easy to fix but I am not in front of my computer and won't be for 4 days [08:56] when I get back I have spring brake and a few days to enjoy [08:56] nvu looks like a good place for someone to kill about 30 bugs since it's been booted out of the archive. [08:57] StevenK: hehe, cheap karma [08:57] StevenK: Sounds good. === Fujitsu adds 30 CCs to an email. [08:57] yigal: right now we are in bug-fixing mode for Feisty [08:57] yigal: we aren't taking new upstream versions or brand new packages [08:58] I get that [08:58] but I need to learn how to work with sources etc [08:58]