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billbraskycool12:23
majoridiot:)12:24
billbraskyi'm aware of the restricted formats, just didn't see 'em mentioned in the myth guides explicitly12:24
majoridiotthey will be in a few minutes.  adding them now.12:24
billbraskyi was using knoppmyth, but the last release was really bad12:24
billbraskyso i'm looking to try ubuntu + myth12:24
majoridiotit's GREAT on ubuntu12:24
majoridiotand there will be an mythbuntu edition coming out soon...12:25
billbraskyi've been using ubuntu since 5.04, so i'm familiar with it, i just didn't want to lose the decent support knoppmyth had (aka not many or any that were using myth on ubuntu)12:25
billbraskyno kidding12:25
majoridiotno kidding12:25
billbraskynice12:25
majoridiota month or so, likely...12:25
majoridiotthey are working VERY hard on it.  among other things.  LOL12:25
billbraskyhmm, i need to see if i gotta do anything for ATI remote wonder support12:25
billbraskyit is supported in the kernel, not sure if i gotta configure something to load at boot time12:26
billbraskygood to hear12:26
majoridiotwell...12:26
majoridiotthe new release of ubuntu (7.04 feisty fawn) is coming out in a few weeks...12:27
majoridiotand there are great new mythtv installation packages for it... updated guide as well.12:27
majoridiothere is the link to the hardware page12:28
majoridiotincludes ATI wonder12:28
majoridiothttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list12:28
billbraskyremote wonder is just a usb/RF remote... not tuner12:29
billbraskylooks like there are some threads on using the remote with ubuntu on the forums, sounds like it's going good12:30
billbraskyi think i'll wait on feisty12:30
billbraskyi want something pretty stable - i'm building a media center for my parents12:30
majoridiotyes12:30
majoridioti have seen those threads as well12:31
billbraskythe other one i'm building is my own, so i can get stupid with that one12:31
majoridiotmythtv use only or also for computing needs?12:31
majoridiot(parents one)12:31
billbraskydedicated myth12:31
majoridiot:)12:31
majoridiotthere's a GREAT feisty package for that12:32
majoridiotinstalls great, keeps the frontend logged-in...12:32
majoridiotperfect for that.12:32
billbraskyi see12:33
billbraskyis it a separate customized package, versus desktop or frontend / backend only systems?12:34
majoridiotyes.  pretty much just what you need12:34
majoridiotminimal windows12:35
majoridiotno real desktop.  no extra packages or software.12:35
majoridiotversus the desktop install.12:35
billbraskyfor the one system it has a hauppauge pvr 500 - i have to install ivtv separate, correct?12:35
majoridioti hope not12:36
billbraskyah, i see your name next to the firewire testing...12:36
majoridioti haven't talked with a 500 owner...12:37
majoridiotbut the 150's etc. seem to work out of the box12:37
billbraskyi see12:37
majoridioti have 2 150's and feisty configures them on install ;)12:37
billbraskyi saw a link to an ivtv install page next to hauppauge info12:37
billbraskynice12:37
billbraskyhow is firewire capture working? I tried it once with knoppmyth and an older kernel... had problems12:37
majoridiotyes.. for edgy release.  feisty has kernel support for ivtv.12:38
billbrasky6200 Motorola box12:38
majoridiotwhat stb do you use?12:38
majoridiot:)12:38
majoridiotawesome12:38
majoridiotme too12:38
majoridiotworks great!12:38
billbraskyi captured a total of 15 seconds of vid, and never worked again12:38
billbraskyno shit12:38
billbraskyinnerestin...12:38
majoridiot(as long as your cable company plays nice)12:38
billbraskyyea12:38
billbraskythe output did work12:38
majoridioti can defiinitely help you get it going.12:38
billbraskybut it seemed to change firewire ports or whatever each time i powered the pc or stb down12:38
billbraskygood quality recording?12:39
billbraskyany flakiness?12:39
billbraskywho is your provider, and what area are you in, if you don't mind me asking...12:39
billbrasky?12:39
majoridiotmine is 100% stable excellent pic and video quality.  will do HD even.12:39
billbraskyman, i had given up on the idea of doing any HD recording...12:39
billbraskysweet12:39
majoridiotinsight cable, central il.12:39
billbraskyah, i'm in chicago12:39
billbraskycomcast for me12:40
majoridiotthe trick with firewire is to get a stable connection... and then interface it with mythv init scripts.12:40
majoridiotbloomington12:40
billbraskythe firewire support was one reason i was looking into ubuntu + myth... most others want to use older kernels/drivers etc12:40
billbraskymost others => other distros/myth install guides12:40
majoridiothave you seen this page? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire12:40
billbraskyi saw the link to it, didn't read it yet12:41
majoridiotit was developed specifically for the 6200 and mythtv12:41
majoridiot(by an idiot) ;)12:41
majoridiotalso works well with the scientific atlanta boxes12:41
billbraskynice guide12:41
billbrasky:-)12:41
majoridiotty12:41
billbraskymy gf has been bothering me to get the new system going. if i tell her it can do HD, she's gonna be really bothering me.12:42
billbraskycrap  ;)12:42
billbrasky(i sold her on myth a while ago)12:42
majoridiotwell...12:42
majoridiotrecording and streaming HD is no problem with firewire...12:43
majoridiotbut you still have to have the muscle to play it back12:43
billbraskyyea12:43
majoridiotk12:43
billbraskyi built this system sp for hd recording/tuning12:43
majoridiotdidn't want false impressions.12:43
majoridiotawesome12:43
majoridiothave you checked to see if your HD channels are 5C encrypted?12:43
billbraskyit's probably got more than is really necessary for it, but i got friends that have hardware hookups for me12:43
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billbraskyhaha12:44
billbraskyno i'm not sure about the 5c12:44
majoridiotk...12:44
majoridiotat the end of the firewire guide it tells you how to check12:44
billbraskythat was step #2 after getting the firewire working on my system (last time i tried)12:44
billbraskydidn't get past that12:44
billbraskyavsforums have regional threads for info too i think12:45
=== billbrasky can't recall if discovery etc were 5c or not...?
majoridiotfollow that guide from start to finish and i guarantee it will work- (cable co dependent)12:45
billbraskyhave you heard/seen  issues dependent on stb firmware?12:45
majoridiotthe only 5C channels are the pay ones and the pay HD package.  all others are open and non 5C12:46
billbraskypay HD package?12:46
majoridiotonly old firmware.  that shouldn't be a concern for you these days.12:46
billbraskyi'm looking for Discovery HD in particular...  inHD, maybe a couple others12:46
billbraskyi think that is part of a pay package12:46
billbrasky:-/12:47
majoridiotmy provider has an additional lineup of HD you have to pay for.  only 6 or so are free- and of those, 5 are broken for firewire. :(12:47
majoridiotonce you pay, they might not be encrypted.12:47
majoridiotmight not hurt to ask.12:48
majoridiotthat guide was written *specifically* because mythtv firewire info was so sketchy and unreliable.  it took me months to get it all figured out.12:49
billbraskyi believe it.12:50
billbraskyi didn't read it yet, but have you got channel change control working via firewire too?12:50
majoridiot(like info on a LOT of things, unfortunately)12:50
majoridiotit's built-in to mythtv now :)12:50
majoridiotno external changer needed12:50
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billbraskywoot12:50
majoridiotno... keep the blaster.  i use mine to shut the stb on and off.12:51
billbraskyyea12:51
majoridiothehe12:51
billbraskynice idea12:51
billbraskytho once i get this going, the gf is gonna set about 20hrs a day of programming to record12:51
billbraskyso stb won't ever be turned off  ;-)12:51
majoridiotpower rates went crazy here.  had to set it up to conserve power as much as possible.12:51
billbraskyah12:51
billbraskyi hear ya12:51
majoridiotalso- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/ACPIWake12:51
majoridiotis nice if it works on your mobo12:52
billbraskyvery complete...12:53
majoridiotty12:53
billbraskyhow many guys are working/developing for ubuntu + myth ?12:53
majoridiotboards are lowly being added to the list as people find it12:53
majoridiotdunno for sure.  maybe 6?12:53
majoridiotsuperm1 will know for sure12:53
billbraskyacpi was so sketchy before i never even considered it12:53
majoridiotwhat mobo you got?12:54
billbraskyyou guys hang out here pretty often?12:54
majoridiotyes.  we try to.12:54
=== billbrasky scratches head....
billbraskyFoxconn P9657AA-8KS2H & Intel core 2 duo E640012:57
majoridiothehe12:57
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billbraskynice12:57
billbraskyi got an nvidia 7800 for this box too...12:58
billbraskywe'll see how that works *crossing fingers*12:58
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billbraskywoof12:59
majoridiotyeah, it just kinda snickers at HD streams... whilst doing everything else in the world.01:00
majoridiotLOL01:00
=== majoridiot is looking at your mobo specs
majoridiothm... ACPI could very well work with that mobo.01:05
billbraskyawesome01:06
billbraskyi was depressed about myth since my last knoppmyth install, but i'm excited about it again ;)01:06
billbraskyi was raving about linux/myth to a buddy of mine, talked him into building a system, got the new knoppmyth release (like 2-3 months ago) and had nothing but problems01:07
billbraskyproblems don't bother me, but after i promised him a stable, fast system and all we had was difficulty... i felt real bad01:08
billbraskyhe's a windows guy, so it really sucked to expose him to linux this way01:08
majoridiotwait until he sees myth on ubuntu01:08
billbraskyhave you played with linux mce at all?01:08
majoridiotMCE is a playtoy by comparison.01:09
billbraskyyea, agreed01:09
majoridiot(windows)01:09
billbraskyi used mce for 2-3 years, then moved to myth 2-3 years ago01:09
majoridiotno.  never did play with linux MCE.  myth is all i really need.01:09
billbraskyi hear ya01:09
billbraskyi just ran across the linux mce thing, was trying to install it in a virtual machine... never got it to go01:09
billbraskyman, there are a lot of ubuntu-myth pages going, glad to see that01:10
billbraskyneed to add a myth section to the ubuntu forums01:10
majoridiotthe installation process has improved dramatically on ubuntu.  if you follow the guides, there should be many fewer hangups.01:10
=== majoridiot cringes at the forum comment
majoridiotwe want one.01:11
majoridiotcan't have one unless a mythtv dev gets involved to maintain it01:11
majoridiotwe're hoping for a sticky with a link to the guides soon.01:11
billbraskyah01:12
majoridiot99% of the forum posts on mythtv installation nightmares are because they either did not follow the guide or didn't know the guides existed.01:12
billbraskyyes01:12
billbraskyi usually am really up on ubuntu stuff, and i wasn't aware how well you guys have done01:12
billbraskyargh.. just remembered i was having hardware probs with this new system01:13
billbraskyneed to go back over my notes01:13
=== billbrasky has too much going on
billbraskythat mobo has a 8 pin power plug i've not seen before.. i need to get an adapter for it01:13
billbraskynot sure what the form factor is01:14
majoridiotpersonally, i'd like to see ubuntu become the mythtv distro of choice with new users.01:14
billbraskyright...01:14
billbraskyubuntu seems to be most user friendly for most anything out there01:14
billbraskybest community support01:14
majoridiotgreat community support01:15
majoridioti just picked up two APC UPS systems...01:15
billbraskythat was the main reason i went with ubuntu in the first place01:15
billbraskyevery other distro i used, i ran into problems and could not work through them01:16
billbrasky(being a beginner linux user)01:16
majoridiotwith a forums search, they were up and running is less than 30 minutes- most of which was unpacking and unplugging.01:16
majoridioti came to ubuntu as a total noob in august01:16
billbraskyyea, i ran into that  exact situation like on 25 different instances01:16
billbraskywhether it was a program problem, hardware problem, config etc01:16
majoridiotyup.01:16
majoridiotand not a lot of flaming.  it does happen.. but not so many RTFMs.01:17
billbraskyright01:17
billbraskythey do a good job of moderating01:17
majoridiotagreed.01:19
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Xenocidemajoridiot how do i disable the timer in mplayer while im watching it turns off the screen02:16
majoridiothm.02:16
majoridiotdunno.02:16
majoridiotsec.02:16
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majoridiotXenocide: do you normally run a screensaver?02:24
majoridiot(sorry was occupied)02:25
majoridiotgotta eat.  back later.02:29
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Xenocideyo03:17
keescooksuperm1: I should have a system to test lirc with in a bit; then I'll likely try to shove your patch into the package, since it doesn't look like it should effect anything negatively (it still builds) and it only *adds* functionality.  :)03:19
majoridiot:)03:27
Xenocidemajoridiot where can i find a site with all the keyboard keys for mythtv so i can program my remote's lircrc03:41
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majoridiothttp://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.103:43
majoridiotalso ... www.google.com :P03:43
majoridiothehe03:43
Xenocidegoogle lied to me03:44
=== majoridiot suspect google is female
Xenocidethe lircrc files i found don't seem to work03:44
Xenocidelol03:44
majoridiotyou have the funky RC-6 remote, right?03:44
Xenocideeh?03:44
Xenocidei have the standard pvr-150 remote03:45
majoridiotusb sensor or plug into card?03:45
Xenocidewhich is making me scratch my head why its not working properly03:45
Xenocideplug into card03:45
majoridiotk03:45
Xenocidesome buttons work03:45
Xenocideirw reconizes all the buttons so its not lircd03:45
majoridiotk03:45
majoridiotwhere is your lircrc file located?03:46
Xenocide~/.mythtv/lircrc03:46
Xenocidesome buttons work03:46
Xenocidebut most don't03:46
majoridiotk03:46
majoridiotsec03:46
majoridiotdid you use this one? http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt03:46
majoridiotthat should be the one for your remote03:47
majoridiotsave it in your home folder as .lircrc (that's with a perdios to make it hidden)03:47
majoridiotand then: rm ~/.mythtv/lircrc03:48
majoridiotand ln -s ~/.mythtv/lircrc ~/.lircrc03:48
majoridiotwhich will make a symbolic link to it.  i find that makes it more resonsive03:48
majoridiotresponsive03:48
majoridiotyou may beed to change a few of the keys in that file to suit your preferences...03:49
majoridiotand then don't forget to re-start the frontend for the changes to take effect.03:49
majoridiotok?03:50
Xenocidehm03:55
Xenocidewell03:55
Xenocidei did it at /.mythtv/lircrc03:55
Xenocideim trying it now03:55
Xenocideill try that in a second03:55
majoridiotit will work that way too03:56
majoridioti just found it worked better the other way.  whichever works for you. :)03:56
Xenocideeveryythign seems to work except for guide, channel and volume03:57
Xenocidelet me look through this lircrc file you gav eme03:57
majoridiotguide should be S from livetv03:57
Xenocidehm this thing has it bound as f303:58
majoridiotyes03:58
majoridiotweird bindings on a few03:58
Xenocidei guess ill just have to play with it03:58
Xenocideand that link you gave me to the mythwiki03:58
majoridiotthat's why i suggested checking03:58
majoridiotvolume up and down are [ and ]  respectively03:58
majoridiotyou want mine?03:58
majoridioti have the same remote on my backend.03:59
Xenocidedo you have it setup for mplayer as well03:59
majoridiotlemme check.sec03:59
Xenocidethis guide you linked me to doens't even say S for guide, it says M04:01
majoridiotCRAP04:02
majoridiotjust wrecked my frontend lircrc :(04:02
majoridiotyes.  it has those definitions.  you want it?04:02
majoridiotthat will bring up the menu for the guide.04:02
majoridiotS brings it up sirectly04:02
majoridiotdirectly04:02
Xenocideyes please04:03
Xenocidedon't think thats going to work through school firewall04:05
Xenocidecan you email it04:05
majoridiotyes04:05
majoridiot?04:05
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Xenocidegot it thanks04:07
majoridiotyw04:07
Xenocidethis one looks identical to the one i downloaded04:09
Xenocidevolume is f-keys04:09
majoridioti might not configured those yet.  still setting those up04:09
majoridiotvol up [04:09
majoridiotvol dn ] 04:10
EnderTheThirdWould anyone here be able to help me with Zap2it and Updating my channels in MythTV?  I finally got Ubuntu recognizing my HD-5500's, now I just need to use them04:10
majoridiotEnder: you have a zap2it acct set up with channels?04:10
Xenocideodd04:10
Xenocideformatting comes un done when i paste it04:10
majoridiot(reversed the volup and down)04:10
Xenocidehow come when i paste it i lose all the returns04:11
EnderTheThirdmajor: yes04:12
majoridiotender: you need to delete the current channel profile in mythtv-setup (5. channel editor)...04:13
majoridiotthen...04:13
majoridiotadd the new source (3.)04:13
majoridiotand bind it to all your tuners in (4.)04:13
majoridiotin (3.) "retrieve the channels from the listing service" will grab your channels you have set up at zap2it04:14
EnderTheThirdworkin on that now04:16
majoridiotk04:16
Xenocidehehe now it doesnt' work at all04:16
Xenocideill just use the one i was using before and customize it04:17
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Xenocidehehe04:21
Xenocideit just might have not been compatable with my lirc.conf04:21
Xenocidechannel up and down are bound to the ringt things but don't seem to be working04:22
majoridiotnothing is working here.  can't locate the backup lircrc.04:23
Xenocideah button n ames don't match :)04:23
majoridiothm.04:24
majoridiotoh.. that was someone else i told that.  LOL04:24
majoridiotcase-sensitive04:24
Xenocidepretty much workin how i want04:34
majoridiot:)04:37
majoridiotit's just matching the name in lircd to the buttons in lircrc to the keypress04:38
majoridiottedious, but that's all.04:38
Xenocideyea04:53
Xenocidei just wish i could instantly change channels04:53
majoridiotpatience win out?04:53
Xenocidewith theh channel up and down buttons04:53
Xenocideinstead of doing that then ok04:53
majoridiotyou CAN04:53
Xenocide....04:53
Xenocidei didnt' see it in the wiki key thingy04:53
majoridiotit's called "browse  mode"04:54
majoridiotyou want it off.04:54
Xenocidehm04:54
Xenocideno04:54
Xenocidebut i want to be able to do BOTH04:54
majoridiotLMMFAO04:54
Xenocidethe browse mode with the up and down arrows04:54
Xenocideand channel up and down with the ch annel key04:54
Xenocidei know i could do that04:54
majoridiotcan you config the keyboard to do it?04:54
Xenocidenot that i saw04:55
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Xenocideyea04:55
Xenocideill keep looking but i don't haeve my hopes up04:55
majoridiotone or the other.  you are just being difficult. :P04:55
Xenocidemy next goal is to setup the mythvideo to look up images and stuff04:55
Xenocideits not automatically grabbing stuff from idbm04:55
Xenocideimdb04:55
Xenocidei just have to play with the seutp04:55
majoridiotyup04:56
majoridiotLOTS to configure.04:56
Xenocideyea04:56
Xenocideand not enough time04:56
majoridiotTELL ME about it04:56
majoridiothehe04:56
Xenocideatleast the damn semester is wrapping up04:56
Xenocidelittle over a month left04:56
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EnderTheThirdDon't suppose anyone in here has had some luck with the pcHDTV HD-5500?08:50
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majoridiotping: Xenocide10:25
superm1 hey majoridiot10:26
majoridiot'lo superm110:27
superm1how goes your april fools?10:27
superm1fall for google TiSP?10:27
superm1:)10:27
majoridiothm.  never realized it was april fool's.10:27
majoridiotlol... no just pulling it up now.10:27
majoridiotLOL @ "want wifi around?  just flush it down"10:28
superm1i put it in my away message on aim/gtalk.  my mom signed online earlier and clicked the link.  she calls me, and is like mario how do they do that????10:28
majoridiothehe10:28
majoridiottoo funny10:28
superm1finally an explanation for all that dark fiber they're running...10:29
superm1that and gmail paper today was announced10:29
majoridiotdark fiber indeed.10:29
majoridiotlol @ gmail paaper10:29
superm1i love google's acceptance of april fools.  i look forward every year to hearing their crazy antics10:29
majoridiotagreed.10:30
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majoridiotagain.10:30
superm1oh, have important stuff to do today?10:30
majoridiotjust some guide work.10:31
majoridiotmeant lost track of time in reference to actual month.  LOL10:32
superm1ah.  i've been trolling the forums a bit today and trying to do homework throughout the day10:32
superm1haha10:32
gardengnomeprocrastinate now!10:34
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superm1gardengnome, well i should emphasize the *trying to do homework*.  i've been up since 9am.  all i really accomplished was a short two sentance answer to a 5 problem assignment.  oh and i watched LOST.10:35
superm1so its been a lot more of forum trolling10:35
superm1our EE servers were down all day too, so i couldnt get any of the lab or senior design stuff done that i needed10:36
superm1so its not all my fault....10:36
gardengnomei'm supposed to be studying for my finals. guess i'll start tomorrow. ;=)10:37
superm1... knock on wood.  servers just came back.  okay off to campus for me :)10:38
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majoridiotping Xenocide: incoming email10:53
Xenocidegod i love this MOTO Q10:54
Xenocidei was in the other room watching tv and it popped up on my phone10:54
Xenocidesorta what i wanted, but i wanted to not have to toggle10:55
Xenocideclose enough, i might do it though, thanks!10:55
majoridiotthe only way i can see to do it.10:55
Xenocideim still pondering feisty on the laptop11:01
majoridiothave you tried the live disk?11:01
Xenocidei had it on the laptpo before11:02
majoridiotas long as it detects and sets up all of the hardware correctly.11:02
Xenocidejust printer support was poor with my HP all in one and office was holdin me back11:02
Xenocidebut i guess i can use crossover11:02
Xenocidei still haven't tried beryl 2.011:02
majoridiotare you running the hplip drivers for your all in one?11:03
Xenocideyea11:03
Xenocideprinting stil seems to get cut off11:03
Xenocideand text is way too big11:03
Xenocidemight just take some goofing around with11:03
majoridiotyeah.  if it's on the list of supported printers, then it's likely a config problem.11:04
Xenocidewhat the crap, DVD's now?11:04
Xenocideits on the list11:04
Xenocidebut it doesnt' work well11:04
majoridiotDVDs?11:05
Xenocidethe beta relase is 3.92 gigs...11:05
Xenocidethe rc5 was just a regular cd11:06
Xenocidei guess more packages on the CD?11:06
majoridiotreally?  you sure that's not source?11:06
Xenocidehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/beta/11:07
Xenocidehm they also have cd ones11:07
majoridiothm.  it is dvd.11:08
majoridiotinteresting11:08
Xenocideat the topp you can click cd images11:08
majoridiotyeah... just never saw dvd packages b411:09
Xenocideherd 5 my standby wasnt working11:11
Xenocidehopefully they fixed it11:11
majoridiotlooks like the dvd includes the varios installs.  desktop, alternate, etc.11:11
Xenocideoh really11:11
Xenocidethast pretty nice11:11
majoridioti'm gonna grab it and see exacly what it is.11:12
Xenocideyea everyone on ubuntu forums is reporting my laptop sleep and hibernate doesnt' work with beta either11:12
majoridiotwould save me having to burn and keep track of so many cds.11:12
Xenocidei use dvd rws11:12
Xenocidelove em11:12
Xenocidestole some from the kid down the hall :)11:12
Xenocidehaha11:12
Xenocidejust burn regular cd isos to them works great11:12
Xenocideway faster than CD-rws11:12
majoridioti need them to work on 3 different boxes and have LOUSY luck getting rws to read from drvie to drive.11:14
Xenocideyea11:14
Xenocideman id do this, but sleep id essential for running from class to class11:15
majoridiotubuntu has GOT to do something about their severs.11:15
majoridiotexpecting someone to download cd and dvd images at 30K is ridiculous.11:15
majoridiotbittorrent is pointless too.  egads.11:16
Xenocideyea11:19
Xenocidei was geting 30kbps on bitorrent on it11:19
Xenocideso i gave up11:19
Xenocideif i use a downoad manager it works fine11:19
Xenocidetry DownloadAcceleratorPlus for firefox11:19
Xenocidecompletely intergrated, fast as hell11:19
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majoridiotgettin it from iu.edu @ 1200K11:22
majoridiotcd image... they don't have the dvd11:22
Xenocide:(11:27
Xenocidemy max here at school is 350kbps which is pathetic for a campus connection11:27
XenocideDAP should still work in linux11:28
Xenocideits a firefox plugin11:28
Xenocideno external application11:28
majoridiothm11:28
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