[12:20] <merriam> yes.  any suggestions?  -->  <cliebow> gnome-settings-maNAGER?
[12:21] <cliebow> trhat  is what plagues me..seems associated with having an nic enabled..
[12:21] <merriam> The desktop's unusable when I log in on the server.
[12:21] <merriam> enabled?
[12:22] <cliebow> if i have dhcp set for hte nic and there is no dhcp server...i've never found any help for it
[12:23] <merriam> You don't need dhcp for the server.  It should have a fixed address and provide dhcp to the clients.
[12:24] <cliebow> i have to switch back and forth on the laptop..
[12:24] <cliebow> sometimes it is ltsp server sometimes not
[12:26] <merriam> You're running a laptop as an edubuntu server?
[12:26] <cliebow> sure..
[12:26] <cliebow> i do my expting at home with it..
[12:27] <cliebow> both powerpc and i386
[12:27] <cliebow> i use single nic "system"
[12:28] <merriam> So you expect it to work properly with two nics?
[12:28] <jgedeon_> Running a single nic Edubuntu Server here too.  DHCP is being done by Endian firewall.
[12:29] <cliebow> course ltsp works just fine..just gnome-settings things slows things down..sometimes
[12:30] <cliebow> im feeding a hundred clients at school single nic
[12:30] <cliebow> with dhcp on port 1001
[12:30] <merriam> I can easily add a nic.  I just don't understand why it's necessary.
[12:30] <cliebow> it is not..all im saying is my prob seems associated with no addy on my eth0
[12:31] <merriam> strange
[12:31] <jgedeon_> Can't just static eth0?
[12:32] <cliebow> i can..until i want to use the lappie normally..i service 12 different networks so i cant hard code it
[12:32] <jgedeon_> Can't use just use different location profile?
[12:33] <cliebow> err..probably could..but network-mangler has been so fluky lately i havnt tried
[12:33] <jgedeon_> cliebow: your running 7.04?
[12:33] <cliebow> yes..both ppc and i386
[12:34] <cliebow> my ibook has been Rocking since Sat update
[12:34] <jgedeon_> OK...  Thought so.  Tried the 7.04 last night and this morning and was just running into too many problems to get it up before the wife got up and wanted to use a computer so I went back to 6.10
[12:35] <cliebow> i understand.ive borked mine over and over..but managed to recover..one day i had three of em borked
[12:37] <jgedeon_> Oh yesterday wasn't good.  Lost HDD in main server and thier edubuntu server had the next biggest hdd that I could grab....  LOL
[12:37] <jgedeon_> cliebow: did I read right earlier that you are running at school?
[12:37] <cliebow> yes sir
[12:38] <cliebow> 12 actually
[12:38] <jgedeon_> How are you doing the printers and who can print to which printer?
[12:39] <cliebow> not very sophisticated..ltsp only prints to printers students can use
[12:40] <cliebow> never tackled it'
[12:40] <jgedeon_> Hmmm...  Ok.. I need to figure something out so that it can be assigned so students aren't printing to the printer in the classroom next door.
[12:41] <LaserJock> hehe, they'd never do that ;-)
[12:41] <jgedeon_> LMAO  Yea and they would never steal the balls from the mouse and leave our mouses balless.
[12:42] <jgedeon_> Or move the keys around on the keyboards.
[12:42] <LaserJock> heavens no
[12:42] <LaserJock> kids are just sweet little creatures :-)
[12:42] <cliebow> one thing i do is use a nonexistent printer as default..called "pickanother"
[12:42] <jgedeon_> But then again would I have done them things in school??????  You bet your @rse I would have.
[12:43] <cliebow> and throw out print jobs once in a while
[12:45] <cliebow> three school have their own server..with cups only offering printers oin that building..but otherwise connected to the entire system network..
[12:45] <cliebow> dhcp on port 1001 wont cross our maned switch..so they only get ips in their native environment
[12:46] <cliebow> from ther ltdp server
[12:47] <cliebow> and printers in that school
[01:13] <jgedeon_> HMM  Might have to look into lpadmin
[02:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav: pingy pingy, ringy ringy, dingy dingy
[02:36] <tovella> i want to continue testing feisty, but pulseaudio has not been working on my thin clients.  how can i switch back to whatever sound system was used with edgy?
[04:01] <sbalneav> LaserJock: hello
[04:19] <LaserJock> sbalneav: hi, did you write up some stuff on updating for the Handbook?
[04:20] <sbalneav> Working on some stuff now.
[04:20] <sbalneav> When's my deadline?
[04:22] <ajmitch> hi sbalneav
[04:22] <sbalneav> Hello ajmitch
[04:39] <LaserJock> sbalneav: now :-)
[04:39] <sbalneav> erk
[04:39] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I asked HedgeMage about some images we seem to be missing
[04:39] <LaserJock> she said she doesn't have them
[04:39] <LaserJock> they are update*
[04:39] <LaserJock> do you have them?
[04:39] <sbalneav> No, I don't.
[04:40] <sbalneav> LaserJock: The handbooks also on the web, yes?  Generated from the XML regularly?
[04:40] <LaserJock> kinda
[04:40] <LaserJock> on doc.ubuntu.com
[04:41] <LaserJock> but I don't think it's being updated :(
[04:42] <Burgundavia> doc should update daily
[04:42] <Burgundavia> ping mdke if it isn't
[04:43] <sbalneav> LaserJock: I'm not going to get done what I wanted tonight, that's pretty clear to me.  However, if I can update some more stuff by go-live, and it's on the web, that will help us.
[04:46] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I think maybe website building broke, and since it's long after string freeze probably nobody bothered to fix it
[04:46] <LaserJock> in fact, now that I think of it, I might have broke it
[04:47] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you have the doc team repo though right?
[04:47] <sbalneav> Yeah, I update from there.
[04:47] <sbalneav> It's the one you gave me, right?
[04:48] <LaserJock> the feisty branch
[04:48] <LaserJock> give me one sec though, I need to commit some stuff
[04:54] <LaserJock> ok, commited
[05:00] <LaserJock> oh doh
[05:00] <LaserJock> I figured it out
[05:01] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com is built from trunk
[05:01] <LaserJock> I've been working in the feisty branch
[05:13] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, I've synced everything up, tomorrow the version on doc.ubuntu.com should be the latest
[05:20] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so you didn't do the "Keeping your Edubuntu server in shape" section of server.xml?
[06:34] <narutosan> may I know how many proposals are rated for the gsoc,
[06:34] <LaserJock> it's still pretty early
[06:35] <narutosan> LaserJock: Hello !!
[06:47] <narutosan> ??
[09:48] <RichEd> morning
[09:50] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[09:50] <RichEd> hi pete
[09:51] <cbx33> pm?
[09:51] <ajmitch> hi RichEd, cbx33
[09:51] <RichEd> hi ajmitch
[09:51] <cbx33> hey ajmitch
[10:05] <juliux> hi RichEd
[10:05] <RichEd> hi juliux, ogra
[10:06] <ogra> hey RichEd
[10:06] <cbx33> hey ogra, juliux
[10:06] <ajmitch> hi ogra, how's it going?
[10:07] <juliux> hi cbx33 how are you?
[10:08] <ogra> ajmitch, fighting bugs
[10:09] <ajmitch> ah yes
[10:09] <ogra> i just found a stray sleep(5) in ldm :)
[10:09] <ajmitch> that'd be annoying
[10:09] <ogra> and i always wondered why it takes so long to start :P
[10:10] <ajmitch> s/Z/X/
[10:10] <cbx33> ogra: oooh do i not recall that being there?
[10:10] <cbx33> hmm
[10:10] <cbx33> mybe now
[10:10] <cbx33> not
[10:10] <ogra> not in the greeter code
[10:10] <cbx33> ahh
[10:10] <cbx33> ok
[10:10] <cbx33> my mistake
[10:10] <ogra> its hidden in the ldm code itself
[10:11] <ogra> i also statred hacking on a greeter in C/gtk ...
[10:11] <cbx33> i thought you hated C
[10:11] <cbx33> :p
[10:14] <ogra> i do
[10:15] <ogra> but the resulting binary is 19k big ...
[10:15] <ogra> thats quite tempting
[10:15] <cbx33> heheh
[02:01] <maccam94> anybody on? i have a question about large-scale maintenance
[02:12] <RichEd> maccam ? fire away ... let me see if I can direct you
[02:13] <maccam94> ok
[02:14] <maccam94> i'm wondering how one would manage updates and changes to hundreds of computers on a network
[02:15] <jsgotangco> oh that
[02:15] <RichEd> maccam94: i'm open to correction, but from what I understand, you can set up the workstations to point to a single "update server" which would then be the only machine needing to connect to the net
[02:16] <RichEd> you can also create a group of people who would be allowed (through their usuual login/pass to be allowed to accept updates from this central machine.
[02:16] <maccam94> RichEd, so it would be possible to get all of the computers to duplicate the configuration of one machine?
[02:17] <jsgotangco> maccam94:  are you saying similar to WSUS?
[02:17] <RichEd> maccam94: strictly speaking, that would be LTSP FAT client, which will be in 7.10 ... i.e. identical single image. But the method I described above will essentially give the same (if not identical) config state to all machines.
[02:18] <maccam94> fat client
[02:18] <maccam94> exactly
[02:18] <maccam94> 7.10? :-\
[02:18] <RichEd> version 7.10 = 2007 October
[02:18] <ogra> well, a fat client is actually diskless
[02:18] <maccam94> well these machines all have disks
[02:18] <jsgotangco> it uses the hardware of the machine
[02:19] <maccam94> they're powerful enough to run an OS, but network authentication, networked /home, and mass updates (and program installations) would be desired
[02:20] <maccam94> i'm writing up a proposal to a committe in charge of deciding the technology plan for a high school for the next 5 years
[02:20] <ogra> what yu want is rather having a package proxy i your network and distributing packagelists via dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections to the different workstations
[02:21] <maccam94> ogra, so then all of the machines would have to download the files on their own? or would they use a local apt-mirror?
[02:21] <ogra> and then have the workstations run a script once a day to rsync the lists and upgrade from the package proxy accordig to the packagelist
[02:21] <maccam94> ok
[02:21] <ogra> thats how i would do it ;)
[02:22] <maccam94> ogra, so it is simple to push that dpkg command to all of the machines at once?
[02:22] <ogra> i'm sure there are thousands of solutions for mass maintenance on debian based systems :)
[02:22] <maccam94> ogra, haha i'm just looking for one that's simple and easy to explain
[02:22] <ogra> you run dpkg --get-selections > packagelist,txt
[02:22] <ogra> (on your master machine)
[02:23] <RichEd> ogra: this is worth documenting as a how to ... it will be a significant requirement this year. we may even want to run a small tutorial on this at UES ?
[02:23] <ogra> then you copy packagelist.txt to the client and run: dpkg --set-selections < packagelist.txt
[02:23] <ogra> after that apt-get upgrade ...
[02:23] <ogra> RichEd, thats documented a million times ....
[02:23] <maccam94> ogra, how would you copy it to the client and get it to do that without manually logging into each client?
[02:24] <maccam94> i'm trying to find a solution that will help the one school IT administrator manage 700 computers
[02:25] <RichEd> ogra: on our site(s) or just debain for now ?
[02:25] <RichEd> *debian
[02:26] <ogra> #!/bin/sh \n rsync rsync://server/tmp/packagelist.txt /root/packagelist.txt \n apt-get update \n dpkg --set-selections < /root/packagelist.txt \n apt-get upgrade
[02:26] <ogra> something like that ...
[02:26] <ogra> as cronscript on the client
[02:26] <ogra> RichEd, surely anywhere in the server docs
[02:27] <RichEd> okie.
[02:27] <ogra> and i'm sure in several debian documentations as well ...
[02:27] <ogra> its as common as "howto setup network authentication" ;)
[02:28] <maccam94> ogra, so that is something that has to be included in the initial installation? there's no way to just send some sort of command over the network to all of the clients?
[02:28] <ogra> no
[02:29] <ogra> ubuntu workstation installs dont listen on any ports to the outside world ... you need to set up soemthing yourself, but its usually something you never touch again after you set it up once in your life
[02:29] <ogra> apart from that there might be tools ...
[02:30] <ogra> i never looked, since that script slution is the easier way
[02:34] <ogra> maccam94, http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/maint/ probably you find some other suggestions there
[02:34] <maccam94> k
[02:35] <ogra> even though thats for debian, the principles will be the same in ubuntu
[02:37] <maccam94> ok
[02:38] <maccam94> unfortunately the guides seems to be mainly about administering a single machine
[02:39] <ogra> ah, sorry then
[02:39] <ogra> but there are tons of such howtos even for mass maintenance
[02:40] <maccam94> that's what I figured, I just can't seem to find any this morning ;-)
 i'm writing up a proposal to a committe in charge of deciding the technology plan for a high school for the next 5 years <- when is your deadline ? it may be an idea to try to work together on knocking some of the generic stuff into a "Edubuntu / Ubuntu" doc
[02:42] <ogra> right
[02:42] <ogra> or scripts something easy together
[02:42] <ogra> *script
[02:42] <maccam94> i said I would have it for the next meeting, which is on (or around) april 24th
[02:43] <maccam94> i'd be happy to help brainstorm, for the next couple of weeks i'll be spending at least an hour a day on this
[02:43] <RichEd> maccam94: I'm quite busy until wed/thu, but would be interested in helping ... as this will be useful for me as well. can you pop me an email ? richard@ubuntu.com
[02:43] <maccam94> sure thing
[02:44] <knix_> !network-manager
[02:44] <ogra> knix_, got NM problems ?
[02:45] <RichEd> maccam94: can you see my /msg window to you ?
[02:45] <maccam94> got it
[02:45] <stormchas3r> ogra, just seeing if NM is fixed for feisty
[02:46] <ogra> edubuntu is waiting for that one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/100021
[02:46] <stormchas3r> great, and so am I
[02:46] <ogra> heh
[02:46] <ogra> anybody is it seems *g*
[02:47] <ogra> i was pondering to drop NM completely ... but then we'd miss it on workstation installs
[02:47] <jsgotangco> please drop NM
[02:47] <ogra> its evil crappy software
[02:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, i dont want to differ to much from ubuntu :) but then it needs to support our setup ...
[02:48] <ogra> just hope it doesnt get fixed for release, then i have to drop it ;)
[02:48] <jsgotangco> i would prefer KDE's wlassistant than NM
[02:48] <ogra> well
[02:49] <jsgotangco> only if for wireless access
[02:49] <ogra> we just dropped all the kde libs from the main CD :)
[02:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:49] <jsgotangco> booohooo
[02:49] <stormchas3r> I hope it gets fixed.  I wanna get this in my school
[02:49] <ogra> make them write a proper gtk frontend ;)
[02:49] <jsgotangco> NM or edubuntu?
[02:49] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:49] <stormchas3r> edubuntu
[02:50] <ogra> well, easy fix if you run ltsp just remove it after install for now ...
[02:50] <stormchas3r> ok
[02:52] <stormchas3r> will I still be able to boot to the server w/o ltsp?
[02:52] <ogra> sure
[02:52] <ogra> err
[02:52] <ogra> i meant to uninstall NM
[02:53] <ogra> not ltsp :)
[02:53] <stormchas3r> gotcha
[02:53] <cliebow__> knetwrokmanager is working super on this ibook in feisty 8~)
[02:55] <ogra> really ?
[02:55] <ogra> even with ltsp ?
[02:55] <ogra> i thought they use the same backend
[02:56] <cliebow__> im not running the ibook as ltsp server..or client for that matter..assuming last was meant for me
[02:57] <ogra> yeah it was :)
[02:57] <ogra> NM breaks static interface configs and only accepts one interface running ... which in turn tears down all ltsp services
[02:57] <ogra> (as long as you have a two NIC setup:))
[02:59] <stormchas3r> what are the differences betweem edgy edu and feisty edu?
[03:00] <jsgotangco> well having a newer version of gnome for starters
[03:00] <ogra> two CDs
[03:00] <ogra> instead of one
[03:00] <jsgotangco> and 2 cds
[03:00] <stormchas3r> so should I use edgy for the time being till NM gets fixed?
[03:00] <ogra> for ltsp we have a new sound architecture that emulates alsa in the session (fixes tons of sound probs)
[03:01] <stormchas3r> i c
[03:01] <ogra> a new pinting architecture
[03:01] <ogra> lost of speedups
[03:01] <stormchas3r> kewl
[03:01] <ogra> a new ltsp session managemet tool (thin-cliet-manager)
[03:01] <ogra> *client
[03:01] <stormchas3r> do you remember me ogra?
[03:01] <cliebow__> ogra:Wow..then cant wait to pull the other laptop out
[03:01] <ogra> thats the main changes ... apart from that many many bugfixes indeed and all chages you see in ubuntu
[03:23] <SiCk> hey guys, just wondering if anyone could help with a little autologin problem on the clients im having?
[03:27] <ogra> SiCk, tell us about it
[03:29] <SiCk> well, i have pretty much everything set up for it, but they dont login at all
[03:29] <SiCk> i did the kiosk setup that you wrote at one point if i recall
[03:29] <SiCk> and it worked once, that was a good while ago, but i've had no luck since
[03:30] <SiCk> they have their custom .xsessions , and the account is setup with disabled password etc.
[03:30] <ogra> you want a webkiosk mode or plain autologin to a desktop ?
[03:30] <SiCk> webkiosk
[03:30] <ogra> well, what did you change with the existing webkiosk mode ? since you say it worked once, why did it stop ?
[03:31] <SiCk> I'd reloaded the machine a few times since that
[03:31] <SiCk> from various problems and other people wanting to use the machine.. heh
[03:31] <SiCk> now i have something dedicated and i cant get it going on it
[03:32] <ogra> so you recreate your client setup with ltsp-build-client --kiosk ?
[03:32] <ogra> (or was it --webkiosk ?, cant remember)
[03:32] <SiCk> it was --kiosk, but i went through and did it pretty much manually
[03:32] <ogra> ah
[03:32] <SiCk> so i've maybe missed something there?
[03:32] <ogra> well, --kiosk should work, try using it and make your modifications later :)
[03:33] <ogra> one by one, so you can see when it breaks :)
[03:33] <SiCk> heh, true... i'll have a go at that then... ill just run through that wiki tutorial
[03:34] <ogra> no, thats not proper
[03:34] <SiCk> oh?
[03:34] <ogra> its just about how to write a plugin geerally
[03:34] <ogra> *generally
[03:34] <SiCk> so is that possibly where i'm going wrong then
[03:34] <ogra> the proper mode is builtin in ltsp-build-client
[03:35] <ogra> it does some more stuff the example plugin doesnt have
[03:35] <SiCk> ah, right.. well the only thing i've installed after that plugin-esque thing is opera realy
[03:35] <SiCk> really*
[03:36] <SiCk> and the custom .xsession
[03:36] <ogra> check the difference :) /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-kiosk
[03:37] <SiCk> i dont have a 030-kiosk :s
[03:37] <ogra> ah
[03:37] <ogra> you dot run feisty :)
[03:37] <SiCk> edgy im afraid
[03:38] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13511/
[03:38] <ogra> :)
[03:40] <SiCk> this is okay to do manually?
[03:41] <ogra> yes
[03:41] <SiCk> cool, i'll let you know how it goes!
[03:41] <SiCk> thanks again ogra
[03:41] <ogra> but you ca also copy it into the plugin dir and just let it run ... the only change you need to make is drop the pulseaudio line ... that didnt exist in edgy
[04:27] <bddebian> heya
[04:41] <kenthomson> Is someone awake? I have a long question which would help me whether to use edubuntu or not? Is anyone experienced enough listening? Only than i would type the whole situation to illustrate my problem
[04:42] <kenthomson> *decide
[04:42] <kenthomson> Hellooo....?
[04:42] <rockprincess> hello kenthomson! I don't know if I can helpp you, but i'll try
[04:42] <kenthomson> rockprincess, thats enough motivation, So listen...
[04:42] <rockprincess> hello kenthomson! I'm using Edubuntu myself, but I'm no developer!
[04:43] <rockprincess> upppps typed the hello bit again lol
[04:43] <rockprincess> ok, i'm listening ;)
[04:43] <ogra> kenthomson, just shoot :)
[04:44] <rockprincess> kenthomson: orga is your man! he's the man in the know ;)
[04:44] <kenthomson> I need to set up a lab with 8-10 boxes. I need to coach kids on it. They will do simple stuff like paint-programs/draw/logo/simple document editing/games. So what is better a DAMN SMALL LINUX on the thin client itself (you see this would eliminate the need of the server) or a full fledged edubuntu with a central server a switch and thin clients? I think if i can run DSL on thin clients itself (without the server) than that would be a lot of cost-sa
[04:44] <kenthomson> ving...but as you can see i don't know much, please pragmatise and illustrate a solution for me. Thanks for listening
[04:44] <kenthomson> ogra, there you go!
[04:45] <ogra> maintenance wise a thin client solution is always the best
[04:45] <ogra> simply because you only need to care for a single machine
[04:46] <ogra> having a to of workstations means you also need to care for each one individually
[04:46] <kenthomson> ogra, but If i can simply pop-in a live-cd in each of the machines (the supposed to be-thin clients) than DSL can comfortably run
[04:46] <ogra> *ton
[04:46] <ogra> sure
[04:46] <RichEd> hi kenthomson : Are you the Ken we met at the dinner with maddog in SF last year ?
[04:46] <kenthomson> ogra, without any maintenance issues! Despite kids can't run much havoc
[04:46] <ogra> but you need to care for the liveCDs etc ...
[04:47] <kenthomson> RichEd, I hope we could have, but unforunately no ;-)
[04:47] <kenthomson> ogra, right!
[04:47] <kenthomson> ogra, what would you recommend as the hardware configuration of a typical thin client
[04:47] <ogra> what if a kid wants to do somethig thats not provided by the CD for example
[04:48] <kenthomson> ogra, hardware configuration for a typical thin client, please
[04:48] <ogra> a tyical thin client should have 300-800Mhz, 64-256 MB, at least 2Mb graphics memory and a network card thats capable of doing netbooting
[04:48] <kenthomson> ogra, no HDD needed? not even little?
[04:49] <ogra> no
[04:49] <kenthomson> ogra, If i have a HDD to spare for each machine can i enable cache/something similar to speed up the process
[04:49] <ogra> you need a rather beefey server for that .... 256M to run the server itself and ~128M per connected client
[04:50] <kenthomson> ogra, i am not talking about RAM but HDD for each seperate TCs
[04:51] <kenthomson> ...?
[04:51] <ogra> well, you could fiddle something yourself to bot from the HDs, but i doubt thats wrth the amount of time you need to put into it over a default edubuntu
[04:51] <kenthomson> right!
[04:51] <kenthomson> ogra, and could please be kind enough to tell me about the hardware configuration of a server capable of supporting such 8-10 TCs?
[04:51] <ogra> you ca use the HDs as storage space though
[04:51] <ogra> yeah, see above for the server
[04:51] <ogra> you should have a decent CPU alog the memory requs ...
[04:52] <ogra> *along
[04:52] <ogra> and if you plan to extend that setup a gigabit NIC on the server makes sense as well
[04:52] <kenthomson> CPU = ****MHZ?
[04:52] <ogra> up to 10 cliets a 100MBit one should do though
[04:53] <ogra> well, something decent ... a current intel CPU
[04:53] <kenthomson> ogra, could you put that statement into numbers?
[04:53] <ogra> i never thsted the lower end here ...
[04:53] <ogra> so i cant tell numbers
[04:53] <kenthomson> ogra, as in...say above 3.0GHZ or a rough idea?
[04:54] <ogra> should be fine, yes
[04:54] <ogra> around or above 3ghz is surely working ...
[04:54] <ogra> the server cpu totally depends on the apps you run ...
[04:54] <kenthomson> a)<2.0GHZ b)2,0-2.5GHZ c)2.5-3.0-GHZ d)>3.0ghz. please select a appropriate one for my needs ;-)
[04:55] <kenthomson> ogra, not interested anymore? ;-(
[04:56] <ogra> well, i cant tell you much more abut that and need to get my work done here else we wont have a 7.04 release
[04:56] <ogra> something around 3 ghz should suffice ...
[04:56] <ogra> if you run no apps 1ghz will be ok
[04:56] <kenthomson> MEM = 512MB or greater or lesser?
[04:56] <ogra> if you start firefox and openoffice get 3.5ghz or something
[04:57] <kenthomson> ogra, ok
[04:57] <ogra> it *totally* depends o the usage
[04:57] <ogra> mem as i said above
[04:57] <kenthomson> ogra, i told you my usage, simple apps for little kids
[04:57] <kenthomson> ogra, nothing at all heavy but i would like decent performance anyways
[04:57] <rockprincess> kenthomson: i can tell you what i'm using here
[04:58] <kenthomson> rockprincess, i am all ears (| - -|)
[04:58] <kenthomson> rockprincess, changed your mind?
[04:59] <rockprincess> kenthomson: i'm using a amd athlon 3800+ (single core), 2gb ddr2 ram
[04:59] <kenthomson> HDD:?
[04:59] <rockprincess> kenthomson: 320gb hdd
[04:59] <kenthomson> and how many TCs does this server support?
[04:59] <rockprincess> at the moment connected to 6 thinclients
[04:59] <SiCk> hey ogra, when you have a couple minutes, the kiosk thing still aint workin.. grr , still no autologin, its like it's not even trying...
[04:59] <kenthomson> How's the performance
[04:59] <ogra> SiCk, hmm
[04:59] <kenthomson> rockprincess, how's the performance? Is there room for any more TCs or something
[05:00] <rockprincess> well, the performance is ok so far, but the start up process is a bit tricky so far....i can only boot up one machine after another...not all at the same time :(
[05:00] <SiCk> though one thing i did notice.. when it tries the first time, it gives the little drum noise that a password is incorrect?
[05:00] <rockprincess> but when it's all up, it runs smoothly
[05:00] <ogra> SiCk, you used the plugin with ltsp-build-client ?
[05:00] <SiCk> no, i manually did it.. is it worth trying the plugin, yeah/
[05:01] <ogra> well
[05:01] <cliebow_> kenthomson, i regularly run 35 clients on a dual opteron 1800 with 4 gig ram
[05:01] <kenthomson> rockprincess, can you please enlighten me about your network setup? (cables, hub/switches, routers)
[05:01] <ogra> did you replace $ROOT everywhere in the commandds etc ?
[05:01] <kenthomson> cliebow, what is a deal opteron clicked at?
[05:01] <kenthomson> cliebow, *clocked
[05:02] <tovella> i want to continue testing feisty, but pulseaudio has not been working on my thin clients.  how can i switch back to whatever sound system was used with edgy?
[05:02] <rockprincess> i'm not sure what switch is used, the network admin at school set it up for me, but i'll have a look after the eastern holidays....
[05:02] <ogra> tovella, whats not workinfg with it ?
[05:02] <cliebow_> 3579 bogomips if thst means anything
[05:02] <ogra> not really :)
[05:02] <SiCk> ogra: yeah, i had set EXPORT ROOT=/opt/ltsp/i386 beforehand
[05:03] <kenthomson> cliebow, unfortunately not
[05:03] <tovella> ogra: no sound on the thin clients
[05:03] <ogra> SiCk, well, make sure that was actually used
[05:03] <kenthomson> cliebow, can you please tell me about your network setup (cables, hub/switches, routers)
[05:03] <ogra> tovella, what did you do to check that pulse isnt runing ?
[05:03] <rockprincess> kenthomson: i think it
[05:03] <cliebow_> gig nics in ldapserver fileserver ltspserver..100 meg switches..
[05:04] <rockprincess> kenthomson: i think it's a 100mbit switch for 8 thinclients (although i'm only using 6), dont know the brand/model yet
[05:05] <tovella> ogra: about a week ago i switched to tty1, mounted proc, used 'ps'  also tried several ways of loading it - to no avail (all sorts of error messages).
[05:05] <ogra> tovella, if pulse doesnt start or work, i'D like to know about it and fix it
[05:05] <kenthomson> cliebow, rockprincess can you tell me about the type/configuration of my NIC on the server? I need 8-10 simple TCs
[05:05] <SiCk> ogra: it was definatly used... something just hates me in ltsp heh
[05:05] <ogra> tovella, ca you set a rootpw in your client: sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[05:05] <SiCk> well, gdm even
[05:05] <ogra> tovella, then switch to tty1 on a booted cliet and log in
[05:06] <kenthomson> ogra, what kernel version would i need for my Core 2 Duo?
[05:06] <tovella> ogra: sure, just a moment while my thin client machine starts.
[05:06] <ogra> then check if pulse is running and i'd also like t see the output of "dpkg -l ldm"
[05:06] <ogra> (check if its runing with: ps ax|grep pulse)
[05:07] <ogra> kenthomson, the oe we ship :)
[05:07] <ogra> *one
[05:08] <kenthomson> ogra, please don't humuor a confused beginner, is it the generic-kernel or something else? I heard AMD-guys(64-bit) need a special kernel
[05:08] <ogra> right
[05:08] <ogra> but since you didnt ask which kernel version to use with an amd64 the one we ship by default is right
[05:08] <ogra> (which would be -geeric, yes)
[05:08] <ogra> *generic
[05:09] <kenthomson> ogra, that is better ;-)
[05:09] <kenthomson> and by that we mean that i can simply pop-in a std. edubuntu cd and carry on installation as usual, and the generic-kernel would utilise the full potential of my PC (c2d)?
[05:09] <rockprincess> kenthomson: i'm using a amb64 processor as well, but decided against the 64bit edubuntu version
[05:10] <ogra> yes
[05:10] <kenthomson> rockprincess, and the reason?
[05:10] <kenthomson> rockprincess, don't the rest of the pipelines go waste?
[05:10] <tovella> ogra: "ps|grep pulse" shows me nothing, and "dpkg -l ldm" shows 5.0.4
[05:10] <ogra> unless you start using funy amounts of memory (>4Gig on a 32bit system for example) you should always be fine with the -generic kernel
[05:11] <ogra> tovella, is that a newly created feisty client chroot  or is that an upgrade ?
[05:12] <tovella> ogra: created about 2 days ago
[05:12] <ogra> weird
[05:12] <ogra> what happens if you try running pulseaudio manually ?
[05:12] <ogra> (should at least give some errors)
[05:13] <KING_DON> Hey folks, quick question regarding artwork/splash screens... how would one go about customizing the orange Edubuntu splash screen? i.e. put in a home-made one
[05:13] <ogra> KING_DON, i think there is a guide on the wiki somewhere
[05:13] <ogra> btw we dropped the orange splash in feisty :) its black again, to many complaints
[05:14] <tovella> ogra: failed to open cookie file '/root/.esd_auth': Read-only file system
[05:14] <tovella> failed to load module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed.
[05:14] <ogra> cool
[05:15] <ogra> so pulse is istalled :)
[05:15] <ogra> thats already good ...
[05:15] <ogra> now why doest it start ...
[05:15] <kenthomson> ogra, thank you, i shall leave now
[05:15] <KING_DON> ogra; Ack, I forgot that I need to update my systems to feisty. Well I suppose I should put aside a few hours and do that today or tomorrow...
[05:15] <KING_DON> thanks a lot.
[05:16] <tovella> ogra: i'm not sure.  we (you and i) did some troubleshooting on this problem about a week ago.
[05:16] <ogra> ah, i remember
[05:17] <ogra> your soundcard worked in edgy ?
[05:17] <tovella> ogra: i ended up changing the sound card, reinstalling the server software - got no results.
[05:17] <tovella> ogra: yes - sound edgy.
[05:17] <ogra> which card was that again ?
[05:18] <tovella> ogra: at first a sound-blaster-live, switched to a c-media cm8738
[05:19] <ogra> well, i fixed the issue with the module loadig, so your sb with the module options should work ...
[05:20] <ogra> hmm
[05:20] <ogra> c-media should be supported by snd-cmipci
[05:20] <ogra> can you check thats loaded with lsmod|grep snd
[05:21] <tovella> doesn't appear to be loaded...
[05:21] <ogra> aha
[05:21] <tovella> i just noticed something interesting...
[05:21] <ogra> try to modprobe it
[05:23] <tovella> ogra: sorry - i overlooked it - it was loaded, already.
[05:24] <crimsun> (it may help to use `lsmod |grep ^snd_ |head -3' )
[05:25] <tovella> i noticed that "lspci" from a terminal window shows the correct card...
[05:25] <tovella> the same command from tty1 shows an intel 82801ca/cam.
[05:26] <tovella> is this some sort of "emulation" done by ltsp, or is it my crappy dell-poweredge-2300's bios/mainboard?
[05:26] <ogra> crimsun, i saw you saying to someone he'd need to have esdcompat for pulse on the server ... ESPEAKER is set there pointing to the client, so that shouldnt be needed on the server, right ?
[05:26] <crimsun> ogra: ah, true.
[05:27] <ogra> tovella, *dont* do *anything* in X
[05:27] <ogra> we're only working on the client at tty1
[05:27] <ogra> (in X you will only see server hardware)
[05:27] <tovella> ogra: gotcha, i was only looking for the card there.  everything else has been done from tty1.
[05:28] <tovella> ogra: so the intel card is the thin-client's sound device?
[05:29] <ogra> whatever lspci on the client tty says
[05:29] <tovella> oh, i see.
[05:29] <ogra> so its an intel card ?
[05:30] <tovella> ogra: exactly.
[05:30] <tovella> intel 82801ca/cam ac' 97 (rev 02).
[05:30] <ogra> the only intel soundcard module i know is snd-intel8x0 .... not sure thats the right one though
[05:30] <crimsun> (probably driven by snd_intel8x0)
[05:31] <crimsun> `amixer|more' on the client tty1 would help
[05:31] <ogra> well tere is no trace of 82801ca/cam in modinfo
[05:32] <ogra> it lists AA and AB
[05:32] <ogra> give that pulse didnt start i'd guess there is no sounddevice
[05:33] <crimsun> CA == ICH3
[05:33] <crimsun> sound/pci/intel8x0.c:52:                "{Intel,82801CA-ICH3},"
[05:33] <ogra> ah
[05:34] <ogra> tovella, do you see that module loaded ? (snd_intel8x0)
[05:34] <tovella> ogra: yes, it's loaded.
[05:35] <ogra> ok, what about the above command crimsun gave
[05:35] <ogra> (amixer|more
[05:35] <ogra> )
[05:35] <tovella> hang on.
[05:37] <tovella> ogra: yes i see about 2 pages of output from that.
[05:40] <crimsun> if you could copy and paste that output onto http://pastebin.ca , that would help
[05:40] <tovella> crimsun: will do.
[05:40] <ogra> thats tricky from a thin client
[05:40] <ogra> you can scp it to the server though
[05:43] <tovella> ogra: not sure how...when i try "amixer > amixer.txt", i get ...'read-only file system'.
[05:43] <ogra> amixer > /tmp/amixer.txt
[05:43] <ogra> ;)
[05:43] <tovella> ahh.
[05:43] <ogra>  /root isnt writeable :)
[05:47] <tovella> http://pastebin.ca/421041
[05:49] <crimsun> tovella: is that all of it?
[05:49] <tovella> i think so, let me double check.'
[05:50] <crimsun> (you may have more beyond the page mark)
[05:50] <tovella> that's all of it.
[05:51] <crimsun> on the client, is `aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav' audible?
[05:52] <tovella> let me check.
[05:53] <tovella> yes, i hear the file play.
[05:53] <crimsun> excellent, so it's a pA issue.
[05:54] <ogra> meh
[05:54] <ogra> do you have an lts.conf you created yourself ?
[05:54] <tovella> no it was created by 'ltsp-build-client'
[05:55] <ogra> have a look at /etc/init.d/ltsp-client
[05:55] <ogra> there is the snippet to start pulse
[05:56] <ogra> if you copy it and run it manually from the commandlie that should give us sme insight
[05:56] <ogra> (you need to copy it with all the subsequent lines with \ in them)
[05:57] <cliebow_> ijust cant figger why my wireless card wont work in kernels after 2.6.17.7
[05:57] <tovella> ok.
[06:29] <tovella> ogra: ok, i've manually entered the pulseaudio commands  - http://pastebin.ca/421089
[06:30] <sbalneav> Morning all
[06:30] <ogra> thats weird ...
[06:30] <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
[06:31] <ogra> hey scott
[06:31] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav and ogra
[06:32] <tovella> ogra: wait - on one of the lines i spelled protocol wrong, let me try again.
[06:32] <ogra> tovella, dont worry
[06:32] <ogra> oh, you mean in the input
[06:34] <tovella> ogra: yeah. looking at the part that couldn't find the module file, i saw "protocAl".  now there are different errors - copying.
[06:34] <ogra> the funny stuff is that module-native-protocol-tcp is i the oulseaudio package
[06:34] <ogra> ok
[06:45] <tovella> ogra: alrighty, i've finished copying the output from pulse audio - http://pastebin.ca/421107
[06:48] <ogra> are yiz sure you had the -n in your command ?
[06:48] <ogra> (the last bit of the command from te initscript)
[06:48] <tovella> ogra: yes, but i left off the "&"
[06:49] <ogra> right
[06:49] <ogra> that would only drop pulse into the background
[06:49] <ogra> but your output looks like its reading the default config ...
[06:49] <ogra> which --n should avoid
[06:49] <ogra> only one dash indeed (-n)
[06:50] <tovella> i also ommitted the 'log to syslog' part 'cause it didn't show any output that way.
[06:51] <ogra> well, important are --system and -n
[06:55] <ogra> try if: pulseaudio --system -n --disable-shm -L module-detect
[06:55] <ogra> starts it
[06:55] <ogra> (it shouldnt return ot the prompt if it did start)
[06:55] <tovella> ok.
[06:56] <ogra> thats the very basic set op args to get it running ...
[06:56] <ogra> *of
[06:56] <ogra> if it starts this way we ca add option by option and see when it breaks
[06:58] <tovella> it gives the 44100 changed to 48000 Hz message, but seems to have started.:)
[06:58] <ogra> cool
[06:58] <ogra> ctrl-c it
[06:58] <ogra> and lets first add --no-cpu-limit, --resample-method=trivial and --high-priority
[06:59] <ogra> and see if it still starts
[07:00] <tovella> yes, it starts
[07:00] <ogra> ok
[07:00] <ogra> now to the modules
[07:00] <ogra> first try with -L "module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1"
[07:00] <ogra> that should start it with an open tcp port for the desktop session
[07:02] <tovella> yes, but i get the error message "socket(PF_INET6): Address family not supported by protocol".
[07:02] <tovella> perhaps just a warning?
[07:03] <ogra> yes, thats fine, as long as the server runs
[07:04] <ogra> add: -L "module-esound-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1"  to it now
[07:04] <ogra> and try again ... (you will very likely get the warning twice this time)
[07:05] <tovella> still starts.
[07:06] <ogra> well, then it either breaks on module-volume-restore or on rescue-streams ...
[07:06] <ogra> so add -L module-volume-restore as well
[07:07] <ogra> you should now nearly have the same commandline in front of you as the initscript writes
[07:07] <tovella> both added, still works.
[07:07] <ogra> both ?
[07:07] <tovella> yes.
[07:07] <ogra> now thats weird
[07:08] <ogra> s you have all lines the initscript has but it starts ?
[07:08] <tovella> also added ...protocol-unix...still starts
[07:08] <ogra> (apart from the syslog)
[07:10] <ogra> your lts.conf has SOUND=True ?
[07:10] <tovella> yes.
[07:10] <ogra> (and no line for SOUND_SERVER)
[07:10] <tovella> no, but i think i've found the problem.
[07:11] <ogra> what is it ?
[07:12] <tovella> i used bash history to try what i typed again - failed again.  i noticed that what you gave me had module-detect once.  the script i printed has module detect twice. getting rid of the second instance makes it load.
[07:12] <ogra> oh, ok
[07:13] <ogra> i remember i dropped one of the module-detect lines recently
[07:13] <tovella> i'm going to comment it out, then reboot.
[07:13] <ogra>  ltsp (5.0.5) feisty; urgency=low
[07:13] <ogra>  .
[07:13] <ogra>    * move printserver startup, localdev helperscripts and soundserver
[07:13] <ogra>      startup after start of X to speed up booting (should partially
[07:13] <ogra>      help with LP #97456)
[07:13] <ogra>    * add pulseaudio-esound-compat to ltsp-server-standalone recommends
[07:13] <ogra>      (for people feeling the need to still use esddsp with apps)
[07:13] <ogra>    * drop duplicated module-detect option from pulseaudio startup to
[07:13] <ogra>      avoid warning in client bootlogs
[07:13] <ogra> ;)
[07:13] <ogra> uploaded today *g*
[07:14] <ogra> i didnt now it braks things, on my test clients it only spilled a warning
[07:14] <ogra> *breaks
[07:17] <tovella> aha, login sound works - thanks ogra.
[07:18] <ogra> YAY
[07:18] <ogra> great to know i already fixed it, thanks for helping tracking that...
[07:38] <max_898z> I have a 700mhz 256ram 20gig hd is it worth runing edubuntu or should I Xubuntu or some less demanding distro and then install indervidual packages?
[07:39] <ogra> 700/256 should be fine with edubuntu
[07:39] <ogra> even though xubuntu will leave you more free ressources
[07:39] <max_898z> great will give it a spin, thanks...
[07:51] <ogra> sbalneav, i wrote a C/gtk greeter over the weekend
[08:06] <sbalneav> ogra!!
[08:06] <sbalneav> Cool!
[08:06] <sbalneav> Faster?
[08:06] <ogra> no
[08:06] <ogra> the slowdown isnt the greeter
[08:07] <ogra> well, might be faster, but since the delay happens elsewhere you dot notice it
[08:07] <ogra> sbalneav, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13546/
[08:07] <ogra> gcc -o c_greeter -g c_greeter.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0`  `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0`
[08:07] <ogra> ...
[08:07] <ogra> still crashes in plain X i need more debugging time
[08:08] <ogra> but you can run it from a terminal to test it
[08:08] <ogra> (gnome-terminal i mean)
[08:08] <ogra> sadly the delay sits somewhere deeper in /usr/sbin/ldm ...
[08:09] <ogra> if you have any idea why it takes *eaxctly* 15secs between starting X and getting the greeter up i'd owe you beer until the end of my life
[08:10] <ogra> i mean if you look at the code, there is a xauth call with a waitpid between these two events ... even if i comment out all xauth stuff nothing changes ... still 15secs
[08:11] <sbalneav> ok, tell you what.  I can't look at it now, but I'll look at it tonight.
[08:11] <ogra> i tried the breezy greeter we had (two plain gtk entry widgets, not even a window) which should starts breezingly fast ... 15secs
[08:11] <sbalneav> You owe me nothing, however.  I feel we're far, FAR in your debt.
[08:11] <ogra> so it apparently never was the greeter that was slow, but the ldm python script
[08:12] <ogra> i cant fork properlyin shellscripts and for a C rewrite its to late ...
[08:12] <sbalneav> This cycle I feel I really let you down, because my own huge project consumed almost all of my time, and I didn't get much time to work on LTSP at all.  I will make up for it in feisty + 1 I promise.
[08:12] <ogra> nah
[08:12] <sbalneav> I'll track it down tonight.
[08:12] <ogra> you didnt let me down
[08:13] <ogra> you helped a lot and i know you have a day job
[08:14] <sbalneav> Yeah, but I normally spend much more time on LTSP/Edubuntu.  But the last 5 months have been ugly here.  I'll tell you over a beer, and bring code samples of what I've been dealing with :)  You'll laugh/barf/scream in horror.
[08:14] <ogra> heh
[08:14] <sbalneav> Say, BTW, meant to ask, got a new doggie yet?
[08:17] <ogra> nope
[08:17] <ogra> and i'm not sure i want one
[08:17] <ogra> still
[08:18] <ogra> a young dog will demand a lot more ... and i already had probs freeing enough time for an old fart who only needs one walk a day
[08:18] <sbalneav> Oh, you've still got a god?
[08:18] <sbalneav> Yipe, dog
[08:18] <ogra> i'm not sure i could copy ...
[08:18] <ogra> nope, fred was the last one
[08:19] <sbalneav> Oh, I see.  Thought you meant you were STILL walking one.  Sorry.
[08:19] <ogra> s/copy/cope
[08:19] <ogra> no, still meant "i'm still not sure i want one"
[08:20] <ogra> i'm thinking about it since he's gone
[08:20] <ogra> especially since it hurts heavily to meet any dogs
[08:20] <ogra> but susie wants one ... urgently ...
[08:21] <ogra> and i wouldnt want a single dog to be alone ...
[08:21] <ogra> so if she gets one i'll get one too ;)
[08:21] <sbalneav> Wants a dog, or a pet?  Kitties are nice, too, and demand less attention.  And if you get a goofy one like mine, they'll come when they're called, and sit on your lap all night while you're programmning :)
[08:21] <LaserJock> ogra: did you have a chance to look over the Edubuntu Handbook?
[08:22] <ogra> no, sorry, will look tonight
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: ok
[08:22] <LaserJock> sbalneav: where are you at with the Handbook?
[08:22] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hey, I noticed yelp got fixed, and the handbooks listed right from the main screen.
[08:22] <sbalneav> Bonus.
[08:22] <LaserJock> yep ;-)
[08:22] <LaserJock> I pulled some strings :-)
[08:22] <sbalneav> LaserJock: I can have a few more things in it for you by tonight.  Say 10:00 PM?
[08:23] <sbalneav> I was going to work on it as soon as I got home.
[08:23] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, great.
[08:23] <sbalneav> LaserJock: I notice NONE of the screencaps from TCM are included.
[08:24] <sbalneav> They're in the repo, but didn't make it into the package.
[08:24] <LaserJock> we need to make sure the "Keeping your Edubuntu server in shape" section of chapter 4 is ok. the xml includes links to images we don't have
[08:24] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ah, yes. I forgot to install the images. That will be fixed in the next release, I've commited it to svn.
[08:24] <sbalneav> ok, I'll go over that tonight, then.
[08:25] <sbalneav> I'll capture images of the update manager.
[08:25] <LaserJock> cbx33 is supposed to send me new TCM screenshots
[08:25] <LaserJock> he already gave me the updated text
[08:25] <sbalneav> Ah, good, was just going to ask that.
[08:25] <sbalneav> stuper dooper
[08:25] <cliebow_> i want to see tcm..
[08:26] <sbalneav> cliebow_: running edubuntu feisty?
[08:26] <cliebow_> actually see it then rip into the code to see how it is put together
[08:26] <cliebow_> well ubuntu feisty..i guess
[08:26] <cliebow_> id install edubuntu-desktop in a heartbeat
[08:27] <cliebow_> matter of fact i just am
[08:31] <intengu> hello everyone
[08:31] <intengu> how would one create login profiles for the clients
[08:36] <sbalneav> intengu: How do you mean, login profiles?
[08:36] <sbalneav> Like, different icons/menu picks, etc?
[08:37] <cliebow_> sblaneav: that yaboot stuff is borking install of edubuntu-desktop
[08:38] <ogra> cliebow_, just move the ppc chroot out of the way during upgrade ...
[08:38] <cliebow_> k
[08:38] <ogra> i.e. mv /opt/ltsp/powerpc /opt/
[08:38] <ogra> and move it back later
[08:40] <cliebow_> Cool
[09:04] <ogra> sbalneav, btw, did you see bug 97456 ?
[09:04] <ubotu> Malone bug 97456 in ltsp "eBox 2300 boots VERY slow with Ubuntu/LTSP-5" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97456
[09:04] <ogra> :(
[09:10] <sbalneav> yeah.
[09:10] <sbalneav> That's ok.  We just need to fix it.
[09:10] <sbalneav> Everything is fixable.
[09:11] <ogra> well, not in time for feisty :/
[09:11] <ogra> besides ldm its a kernel issue
[09:13] <sbalneav> We'll spend some hacking time on it in Seville
[09:14] <ogra> right, but i'm still not after being kernel maintainer :/
[09:25] <sbalneav> Oh, C'mon. You KNOW you want to be kernel maintainer.  Thats the job that gets all the sexy groupies.  You know, thousands of gorgeous, adoring women screaming "Oh, ogra, show us your initramfs tools again!!" :)
[09:25] <ogra> well, suzie wont scream :)
[09:26] <ogra> if i start spending even more time on work :)
[09:28] <ogra> LaserJock, i'm not through the last two toplevel sections, but got the following: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13562/
[09:28] <ogra> thats beyond what i already found ... no biggies
[09:30] <sbalneav> ogra: I was going to update printing a bit tonight.  Don't drop it.
[09:30] <ogra> good
[09:30] <ogra> well
[09:30] <ogra> dont forget we dont have most of the options in jetpipe ... and no serial printing support at all atm
[09:30] <sbalneav> And in the boot process, do I have ltsp-client where I should have \1-setup?
[09:30] <ogra> yep
[09:30] <ogra> ltsp-client only starts services ...
[09:30] <sbalneav> ok, I'll look, I wrote/updated that section.
[09:31] <ogra> i.e. ldm :)
[09:31] <ogra> since today it also starts the localdev scripts, sound and printing ... (i moved that from -setup)
[09:31] <sbalneav> As for backup, does fiesty have the "make a cd backup tool" in it?
[09:31] <ogra> no
[09:32] <sbalneav> hubackup isn't included?
[09:32] <ogra> but you can install hupbackup from universe as in edgy
[09:32] <ogra> i dont think its done yet
[09:32] <ogra> sivan isnt the fastest ... he might even have dropped it
[09:33] <sbalneav> I could just talk about using tape drives or rsync.  I feel we should have SOME mention about backup of user data.
[09:33] <ogra> i dont think tahts urgently needed for a first release of the book ... even though its a nice to have :)
[09:35] <sbalneav> I'll throw something in there.
[09:36] <sbalneav> Next year: you NEED to talk to rocket-man about letting you come to FISL in Brazil.  I bet if you did a talk on Edubuntu, you'd have the biggest attendance of the whole show.
[09:37] <ogra> heh
[09:37] <ogra> lets tell him in seville
[09:37] <sbalneav> Sure.
[09:37] <ogra> south america and asia are still missing from my travel list
[09:38] <sbalneav> What, you've been to Antarctica?
[09:38] <ogra> ah, no
[09:38] <ogra> indeed
[09:38] <ogra> and not to africa either
[09:38] <sbalneav> OK then.  We need a conference there, too.
[09:38] <sbalneav> Sell Linux to Penguins. :)
[09:38] <Burgwork> sbalneav: I remember doing a talk about Ubuntu in April 2005, thought it would be a small audience, because I was up against Chris DiBona. Turns out I had more people than Chris did
[09:38] <ajmitch> morning :)
[09:38] <ogra> given that i use to live on atlantis time we should have one there
[09:39] <sbalneav> You lived in Atlantis?
[09:39] <sbalneav> :)
[09:39] <ogra> only in its TZ
[09:39] <ogra> its ~4h past CEST
[09:40] <sbalneav> AtlantiS or AtlantiC ?
[09:40] <ogra> a bit ahead of new york time :)
[09:40] <sbalneav> Where were you living then?
[09:40] <ogra> atlantis :)
[09:40] <sbalneav> lol
[09:40] <ogra> i *am* living on atlantis TZ
[09:41] <ogra> only on its timezone :)