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[12:38] <ded_> mhb: hello you are working on a gbedi for kde?
[12:40] <crimsun> (err, gdebi?)
[12:41] <ded_> a packetage instalor for local .deb
[12:41] <ded_> on gnome
[12:41] <crimsun> right, gdebi. I wasn't aware of gbedi, hence the question.
[12:43] <ded_> houps
[12:45] <ded_> i done a little thing on kdevelop for use it in a qt kde interface
[12:45] <ded_> that's working
[12:46] <ded_> not really beautyfull but that's my first prog on linux
[12:47] <ded_> i would like have some comment
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[02:37] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[02:37] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[02:37] <jjesse> back in a hotel :(
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[02:37] <jjesse> congrats
[02:37] <nixternal> how much longer are you doing that for?
[02:37] <jjesse> i had 3 weeks on, took a week off and then back for 3 weeks
[02:38] <jjesse> at least for this customer
[02:38] <nixternal> are you onsite for a new install or what?
[02:38] <jjesse> this job is 10 weeks
[02:39] <jjesse> but yeah i'm onsite
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[04:16] <odla> i just ran the upgrader from edgy to feisty and ever thing went fine until it suggested packages for removal.  i went ahead and removed them then it failed.  it gave an error message but i'm not sure what it was or where it is
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[05:11] <manchicken_> Howdy all!  I've got the first working machine for my compile farm!
[05:11] <crimsun> cool, going to donate it to imbrandon's ubuntuwire effort?
[05:11] <manchicken_> What do you mean?
[05:12] <manchicken_> I was not aware of such an effort...
[05:12] <crimsun> he's building a compile farm of $arches
[05:12] <manchicken_> Ah.
[05:12] <manchicken_> I'm actually going a different direction.
[05:12] <manchicken_> I'm building a compile farm of $kernels :)
[05:12] <manchicken_> This one is going to be running xubuntu.  It's gonna be the controller.
[05:13] <crimsun> instead of ubuntu-server?
[05:13] <manchicken_> I'm not sure if I want to xen for GNU/Solaris and GNU/HURD or whether I want to run separate machines for it.
[05:13] <manchicken_> Actually, for some reason I didn't even think ubuntu server.
[05:14] <manchicken_> This machine is a bit older though.
[05:14] <manchicken_> 500mhz.
[05:15] <manchicken_> What, does server just run ubuntu-minimal?
[05:15] <crimsun> it includes a LAMP stack by default, too, IIRC
[05:15] <manchicken_> But that's it?  No GUIs or whatnot?
[05:16] <nixternal> manchicken_: nope!
[05:16] <manchicken_> I don't think this machine will take GNOME very well.
[05:16] <manchicken_> Very nice.
[05:16] <nixternal> I run ubuntu-server for almost everything
[05:17] <manchicken_> Nice.
[05:17] <manchicken_> This machine is going to be headless.
[05:17] <manchicken_> so no GUI is necessary.
[05:18] <manchicken_> You run LTS or Edgy?
[05:18] <nixternal> Edgy
[05:18] <nixternal> as soon as Feisty goes final I will upgrade them all, since it has been seemless since Breezy pretty much
[05:19] <manchicken_> Wow, I'm getting some pretty good download speeds.
[05:19] <manchicken_> Man I love this central illinois connection.
[05:19] <manchicken_> 10mbps
[05:20] <manchicken_> And I'm using every last bit of it.
[05:20] <nixternal> ya, farmers only check their email, my space, and porn every now and then. they don'th ave any need for wares
[05:20] <nixternal> ;p
[05:21] <manchicken_> I think I may do LTS
[05:22] <manchicken_> Just so I can get some LTS if need-be :)
[05:22] <manchicken_> Downloading at 1.2MB/s...
[05:22] <manchicken_> Kinda slow...
[05:22] <nixternal> hehe
[05:23] <manchicken_> kernel.org mirror though...
[05:23] <manchicken_> That's probably the bottleneck.
[05:23] <nixternal> no way, I use the ussg.iu.edu mirrors for everything
[05:23] <nixternal> super max downloads
[05:23] <manchicken_> What speed?
[05:23] <nixternal> what ever my connection can handle
[05:23] <manchicken_> What's that?
[05:23] <nixternal> 6MBs I think
[05:24] <nixternal> or maybe 8
[05:24] <manchicken_> Super-max of 56kbps isn't too impressive ;)
[05:24] <nixternal> hehe, yes it is
[05:24] <manchicken_> brb, gotta find my blanks.
[05:24] <crimsun> use mirrors2.kernel.org .
[05:24] <nixternal> especially when I use crimsun's laptop and his AOL connection
[05:24] <crimsun> it's prodigy/compuserv, thank you muchly
[05:24] <nixternal> hahah, that was my first ISP
[05:24] <nixternal> Prodigy
[05:25] <nixternal> then I went Com21 cable modem in 1995 in southern Maryland
[05:25] <nixternal> so I didn't have to download Linux from the ship anymore, I could do it from home
[05:26] <manchicken_> I'm just not used to this thing being so slow.
[05:26] <manchicken_> 1.2MB/s is just too slow.
[05:26] <manchicken_> In NYC they have fios.
[05:26] <crimsun> mirrors is much slower IME than mirrors2
[05:26] <manchicken_> They tout up to 50mbps.
[05:27] <crimsun> bah, I'm _still_ on 56kbps, so you all can stuff it ;)
[05:28] <nixternal> hehe
[05:28] <nixternal> manchicken_: you going to Flourish this week?
[05:28] <ajmitch> crimsun: we should pass the hat around & get you upgraded
[05:29] <manchicken_> Naw.
[05:29] <nixternal> ajmitch: he is a professor! he has money ;p
[05:29] <manchicken_> I don't like Flourish.
[05:29] <nixternal> why is that?
[05:29] <manchicken_> I think Flourish is an event for fascists to pretend that they're not fascists by pretending to like "open source."
[05:30] <manchicken_> It helps folks find jobs, too, which is good.
[05:30] <ajmitch> nixternal: hah, funny
[05:30] <manchicken_> But I don't need one of those.  heh
=== nixternal either
[05:30] <nixternal> but I need to show up to one Chicago even for Quigley pitches a fit ;)
[05:30] <nixternal> s/even/event
[05:31] <crimsun> nixternal: if "money" == donated textbooks, sure
[05:31] <manchicken_> Nice.
[05:32] <manchicken_> Yeah, alot of the ChiGLUG (now they went back to "LUG") is more on the proprietary-friendly side of things.
[05:32] <nixternal> what? when did that happen?
[05:32] <manchicken_> The mailing lists have no "G" in them.
[05:32] <nixternal> website still says ChiGLUG
[05:34] <manchicken_> They started using the chicagolug url again, and the mailing lists are chicagolug... but yeah, it does say GNU/Linux on the site.
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[06:01] <manchicken_> The get ubuntu page is kinda confusing.
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[07:01] <crimsun> ick, hand-holding in -motu? No thanks, not _that_ sort of hand-holding.
[07:01] <ajmitch> hah
[07:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: haha, yes.
[07:02] <ajmitch> trying to extract useful answers
[07:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and there's an example of what you should *not* do :P
[07:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: but it's for your own good :)
[07:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah, for your own good *man*! :)
[07:11] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:11] <Jucato> although... I'll probably be pestering you guys with some questions... stuff that would/could probably be put up in the FAQ :)
[07:11] <Hobbsee> then you can add it to the FAQ
[07:11] <ajmitch> as long as you ask them in an intelligent manner, being willing to do research yourself
[07:12] <Hobbsee> exactly :P
[07:12] <Jucato> yep. I wouldn't want to look stupid in my own blog :D
[07:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
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[07:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:13] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me :)
[07:14] <Jucato> your suggestions falls under the "Where/How should I ask for help?" question ;)
[07:15] <Hobbsee> :)
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[07:59] <giangy> 'morning
[08:01] <Hobbsee> heya
[08:01] <giangy> ayo Hobbsee :)
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[09:10] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:10] <asyd> hello there
[09:10] <_StefanS_> heeeeeeeeeeya
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[09:21] <mhb> ded_: hi
[09:23] <mhb> ded_: it is likely that I will work on that frontend for feisty+1
[09:26] <mhb> ded_: I am sorry that I didn't answer sooner, I was asleep at that time. You can use email to send me the comments - that may be better as we live in different timezones, it seems.
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[10:23] <cyt> Hi all, will the final Feisty contains the KDE 3.5.6 or KDE4?
[10:23] <crimsun> both.
[10:23] <crimsun> it will ship with the former, and snapshot(s) of the latter will be available in universe.
[10:25] <cyt> crimsun: So the default install will be the 3.5.6 ? And the users can install KDE$ by themself?
[10:26] <crimsun> cyt: default -> yes. Users can choose to install a KDE4 snap alongside 3.5.6.
[10:28] <cyt> crimsun: I am current using Beta, if after Feisty release, and I make a 'dist-upgrade', will my system be upgraded to KDE4?
[10:28] <crimsun> cyt: no.
[10:29] <cyt> crimsun: Thanks ;)
[10:34] <Tm_T> cyt: but well, KDE4 won't be much usable yet when Feisty is released so, don't hurry too much with it
[10:36] <cyt> Tm_T: Yes, KDE4 is so exciting, but it's not usable at this moment ;)
[10:37] <Tm_T> cyt: well, my first experiences with KDE4-svn are from year ago
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[10:38] <Tm_T> then it was exciting ;)
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[01:12] <Jucato> moin Riddell!
[01:15] <Riddell> hi Jucato, kdesdk uploaded
[01:15] <Jucato> yay! :)
[01:16] <Jucato> so I guess I did the debdiff right? thanks! :)
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[01:16] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[01:20] <Riddell> Jucato: I renamed the .diff to kubuntu_01_ as we do, and added a description in the changelog
[01:20] <Riddell> otherwise all good
[01:20] <Jucato> Riddell: ah kool. I'm always clueless when it comes to the changelog :)
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[01:40] <ded_> mhb: ok have you got a mail?
[01:53] <mhb> ded_: sure, martin.bohm<at>kubuntu.org
[01:53] <ded_> all right i send you my work
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[01:58] <ded_> i send it sorry for the bloody hotmail adress
[01:59] <ded_> mhb: where do you come from?
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[02:47] <Hobbsee> anyone alive in here?  Riddell maybe?
[02:47] <mhb> ded_: thanks .... czech rep., why?
[02:47] <kwwii> I'm here but I am sure I cannot help :p
[02:47] <Hobbsee> kwwii: depends how much you know about qt and such
[02:48] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/81686
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[02:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: have you been affected by that?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no.  there's a guy in -bugs who wrote it, and who's asking about it, though
[02:49] <Hobbsee> it's for edgy, no idea how it works on feisty, or if it does
[02:49] <ded_> mhb:  for see the time diff
[02:50] <ded_> mhb: what time is it there?
[02:50] <mhb> ded_: 14:51
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[03:15] <ded_> this is the same time so
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[03:15] <ded_> have you got my mail?
[03:20] <mhb> ded_: yes, thank you for that
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[03:37] <ded_> you tested it?
[03:39] <mhb> ded_: yes, it seemed to work
[03:39] <mhb> ded_: what did you code it for?
[03:40] <mhb> ded_: there is one big problem about it (from my point of view) ... it uses C++ , whereas "gdebi" uses Python
[03:41] <mhb> ded_: and gdebi is already separated into a "backend" and "frontend" part, so it's very easy to build upon that code
[03:45] <ded_> my code execute the gdebi command line and write the result in a qstring
[03:46] <ded_> the qstring is passed to a label qt
[03:46] <ded_> i done it beceause i would like to add rpm support with alien
[03:49] <ded_> in a second time i want to create a search motor for package classed by extension file that the soft could open
[03:50] <ded_> with screenshot
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[04:27] <bddebian> Heya
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:28] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:28] <bddebian> Hi again Jucato :-)
[04:28] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:28] <Jucato> lol :)
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[04:40] <manchicken> My April fools post got 639 views yesterday.  Very nice.
[04:40] <Tm_T> (:
[04:41] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4768
[04:41] <apachelogger> consider me as back :D
[04:41] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[04:41] <apachelogger> ;-)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> yay, apachelogger!
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[04:52] <freeflying> apachelogger: it's your package?
[04:52] <apachelogger> freeflying: yep
[04:53] <freeflying> apachelogger: use link for config.guess and config.sub, it will make your diff more little
[04:53] <freeflying> Add your package copyright
[04:54] <ded_> mhb: we work together on this project or you wanna make a python frontend?
[04:55] <mhb> ded_: I want to do a python frontend for gdebi, that's sure
[04:55] <mhb> ded_: (KDE frontend, that is)
[04:55] <apachelogger> freeflying: package copyright?
[04:55] <freeflying> provide a patch for kirocker-3.0.orig/src/kirocker.desktop's change
[04:56] <mhb> ded_: I really wonder if creating a separate application is the way to go (for you)
[04:56] <freeflying> apachelogger: ya, you'd tell others which license you'd prefer for your package
[04:56] <apachelogger> freeflying: it's not really an intended change ... tarball was kind of messed up
[04:56] <mhb> ded_: won't you have less work if you took gdebi (the backend) and modify it to fit your needs? After all, python is easy to learn.
[04:57] <mhb> ded_: just my 2 cents
[04:57] <apachelogger> freeflying: how can package license differ from software license?
[04:58] <freeflying> apachelogger: like many gnome stuffs will use LGPL, but youcan use GPL for your debian/ubuntu package
[04:58] <apachelogger> Oo
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[05:00] <ded_> mhb: python is easy to learn i know that is not the problem but i prefer c++ and my project is bigger than gbedi frontend it could be done whith python but c++ is more powerful(at my point of view) and quicker
[05:01] <freeflying> apachelogger: upstream use LGPL, but it links to GPL's file, so is that ok?
[05:02] <apachelogger> huh?
[05:02] <apachelogger> freeflying: upstream is using GPL
[05:02] <flavia> hi, the soundcard of my pc was not detected correctly by feisty and I had to follow the instructions on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/94373 to get it working. The only problem now is that the master volume doesn't do anything anymore, just the pcm volume control. Any idea on how to fix this?
[05:03] <freeflying> apachelogger: sorry, my fault
[05:04] <apachelogger> no problem :)
[05:04] <freeflying> apachelogger: you'd better go ubuntu-motu/debian-mentors for more advice  :)
[05:05] <apachelogger> well, I will have to wait for upstream to fix the tarball anyway
[05:05] <apachelogger> there must be some strange bug in kdevelop's tarsystem which causes some files in admin dir to be duplicated
[05:05] <apachelogger> really strange issue though
[05:07] <freeflying> apachelogger: you'd mention that the doc/* distributed under FDL
[05:08] <apachelogger> thx
[05:09] <freeflying> ubuntu ftp-master will not care too much about this, but debian's will  :)
[05:10] <apachelogger> btw, is the patch for generating .pot files still necessary?
[05:11] <freeflying> if you wanna upload to debian, recomend have
[05:13] <apachelogger> ok
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[05:46] <Hobbsee> whee, adept sigseiv
[05:46] <Jucato> wow :)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> useless BT.
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[05:46] <Hobbsee> night Jucato
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[06:08] <LeeJunFan> that's some color scheme eh?
[06:11] <yuriy> yeah, yuck. mostly the green bar at the top, that's really irritating
[06:11] <yuriy> also the gray text, though i think it's always been like that
[06:11] <yuriy> but now tha the rest of it is high contrast it's worse
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[06:23] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I'd have to agree, the green bar at the top really clashes.
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> someone needs a color wheel.
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[07:27] <_StefanS_> evening !
[07:27] <_StefanS_> hey kwwii
[07:27] <_StefanS_> and all the others !
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[07:34] <dandel> anyone here using the fglrx drivers here, besides me?
[07:35] <_StefanS_> dandel: yep here
[07:35] <dandel> have you been trying to use tv out?
[07:35] <dandel> but 81686
[07:35] <dandel> err.
[07:35] <dandel> bug 81686
[07:35] <_StefanS_> oh.. nope
[07:35] <_StefanS_> I have no need for it
[07:35] <dandel> ah.
[07:35] <_StefanS_> sorry
[07:35] <dandel> i need a test of a patch of mine
[07:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 81686 in qt-x11-free "SIGFPE in create_dpis() in QPaintDevice::~QPaintDevice" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81686
[07:36] <_StefanS_> resolution stuff ?
[07:36] <dandel> sorta slow lol... i fixed the bug for both feisty and edgy.
[07:36] <dandel> dpi issues
[07:37] <dandel> resolution was right on that, except for the tv out had no mm set.
[07:37] <_StefanS_> so fonts are screwed in tv out without your patch?
[07:37] <dandel> no... it's called all qt based apps will not run without it.
[07:37] <_StefanS_> ah I see
[07:38] <dandel> if you force tv out, and try running kde you'll crash every time it tries to run the createdevice dpi or w/e it was.
[07:39] <dandel> i was working with hobbsee about getting it tested on a unaffected card.
[07:40] <_StefanS_> uhm well I could hook my lappy to my lcd tv I guess
[07:40] <dandel> you do know how to setup the tv right?
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[07:40] <_StefanS_> well no, I was just going to write that ;)
[07:40] <dandel> lol.
[07:41] <_StefanS_> aticonfig will do it i presume ?
[07:41] <dandel> yea
[07:41] <dandel> but prep with that patch b4 hand.
[07:41] <dandel> get it's deb files reasy
[07:41] <_StefanS_> and twinview is fine ? or do I need to have it as the primary screen ?
[07:41] <dandel> *ready
[07:41] <dandel> i use horizinal
[07:41] <_StefanS_> 2 screens ?
[07:41] <dandel> yea
[07:41] <dandel> i like having a second desktop to use.
[07:41] <_StefanS_> uhm oka
[07:42] <_StefanS_> so kde will just crash if it doesnt work ?
[07:42] <kwwii> hi _StefanS_
[07:42] <_StefanS_> hey kwwii thought you were away :D
[07:43] <kwwii> well, I am eating dinner
[07:43] <dandel> kde will crash if your not patched
[07:43] <_StefanS_> dandel: I will try later, have to look at new car i'm about to buy
[07:43] <dandel> ok later.
[07:43] <_StefanS_> kwwii: heard that ? - i'm looking to buy a vw passat tdi ;)
[07:43] <kwwii> someone should fix kde and kdm so that it works with thinkfinger
[07:43] <_StefanS_> or just give it the finger :D
[07:43] <kwwii> _StefanS_: killler, I looked at one of those too :-)
[07:43] <_StefanS_> kwwii: well imagine you
[07:44] <kwwii> _StefanS_: very nice cars
[07:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: were looking at a new one ;)
[07:44] <dandel> i use gnome though... but i do have kde installed if i recall right, i've been testing with qsynth and sim primarely.
[07:44] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I just bought a new car on Friday
[07:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I have to shop for a 2003 model
[07:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: congrats :)
[07:44] <kwwii> thnx :-)
[07:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: any luck with the logo btw ?
[07:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii: (or time) :)
[07:45] <kwwii> _StefanS_: spent most of the weekend driving around in it :-)
[07:45] <kwwii> _StefanS_: but I will work on something tonight and tomorrow, ok?
[07:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii: yea sure, don't stress it :)
[07:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii: go drive your car  - and find an autobahn without speed limits
[07:46] <kwwii> hehe, that is exactly what I did ;-)
[07:46] <_StefanS_> hehe :D
[07:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii: top speed?
[07:46] <kwwii> around 230km/h
[07:46] <_StefanS_> woooheee
[07:47] <kwwii> 163 horse power
[07:47] <_StefanS_> ----------------->
[07:47] <_StefanS_> nice :)
[07:47] <kwwii> well, if you're living in a country where you can drive as fast as you want, you might as well have a fast car ;-)
[07:47] <_StefanS_> well I gotta hit the shower, the guy is coming by here at 20.00 to show me the car
[07:47] <kwwii> cool, have fun ;-)
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[07:48] <_StefanS_> thanks :)
[07:48] <_StefanS_> dandel: I will check that stuff after my test drive.. please email me the details : sfs@enhance-it.dk
[07:48] <dandel> simple patch on current fiesty/edgy install
[07:49] <dandel> see the bug report about it, for how to get it, since it's already uploaded.
[07:52] <_StefanS_> oka
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[07:54] <dandel> _StefanS_, you will know your effected by running this command in the terminal... xdpyinfo | grep -B2 reso
[07:55] <dandel> the lcd screen, which should be one of the 2 will ready 0x0 millimetters and have a negative dpi.
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[08:28] <manchicken> w00t!  I got my passport.
[08:28] <manchicken> It's very pretty.
[08:32] <yuriy> they tend to be
[08:32] <yuriy> security-by-colorfulness
[08:32] <yuriy> manchicken: RFID-ified?
[08:33] <manchicken> I don't see RFID...
[08:33] <manchicken> Though I suppose it could be less than obvious.
[08:44] <nixternal> I need to update my passport
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[09:38] <neutraloss_> console_setup has been giving me problems for a while
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[09:40] <DaSkreech> Upgrade tool crashed
[09:41] <DaSkreech> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[09:48] <nixternal> where are my accounting people at? :)
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[09:56] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Balancing
[09:56] <nixternal> heh
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Man
[09:59] <DaSkreech> The dist upgrade tool crashed
[10:00] <DaSkreech> So it launched the recovery dist upgrade
[10:00] <DaSkreech> Which crashed
[10:00] <DaSkreech> :-(
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[10:58] <giangy> mh ktorrent 2.1.3
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[12:00] <toma> yep
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