[12:11] <Yorokobi> bill__k, if you set the schema to a transparent one, click the Save button, then click Settings -> Save as default, then yes
[12:12] <bill__k> Yorokobi: looks like it's working.  thanks for the help!
[12:12] <Yorokobi> np bill__k
[12:13] <Lewix> how do i update it to a newer version
[12:13] <Lewix> amsn
[12:13] <tulio__> how do I add the multiverso to adept package manager?
[12:13] <tulio__> *multiverse
[12:13] <leiar_>  I need help to add audio to a video with ffmepg, if possible
[12:14] <Chemicalvamp> hmmm just finished installing eclipse, now when i start it, i get the busy mouse icon and nothing
[12:14] <dwidmann> tulio__: in adept, go to manage repositories, find the line that looks like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy main" or similar, and put multiverse on the end of the line after main, simple as that
[12:14] <dwidmann> if you have the update, security, and/or backports repositories enabled, you'll need to add it to those too
[12:14] <Yorokobi> tulio__, may as well add universe while you're at it
[12:15] <Lewix> dwidmann, how do i update it
[12:15] <tulio__> there is only br.archive.ubuntu
[12:15] <tulio__> is there any difference?!
[12:15] <dwidmann> Hmm, that would be trickier lewix
[12:15] <dwidmann> tulio__: that's just what mirror you're using, no problem therer
[12:16] <Yorokobi> tulio__, it should look like deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted universe multiverse
[12:16] <ragnork> anyone knows how to install the Kernel Headers?
[12:16] <Lewix> dwidmann, alrigth how do I install the newer version and get rid of what i just installed
[12:16] <bobleny> thanks dwidmann, I found it, I will see how this works...
[12:16] <dwidmann> Lewix: well, first, just sudo apt-get remove amsn to remove what you just installed.
[12:16] <Chemicalvamp> anybody know why eclipse isnt running?
[12:16] <bill__k> Yorokobi: is it normal that konsole transparenc only shows the background under it, and not other windows
[12:16] <dwidmann> To get the newer you'll either have to pull the one from the feisty repos along with all dependencies, or compile from source. Pick your poison, neither way is particularly fun.
[12:16] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, do you get any output when you try running it from a shell (konsole) ?
[12:17] <Yorokobi> bill__k, yes.
[12:17] <bill__k> ok
[12:17] <dwidmann> Chemicalvamp: run it in konsole and tell us what errors you're getting
[12:17] <Chemicalvamp> i see
[12:17] <Yorokobi> bill__k, you need the konsole-alpha package from the beryl/trevino repo and beryl working to get full transparency
[12:17] <ragnork> Anyone knows where to get/how to install Linux Kernel headers for kubuntu?
[12:17] <bobleny> Yeah, this is better it isn't eating my ram so fast!
[12:17] <bobleny> thanks, bye
[12:18] <Lewix> dwidmann, thanks its done. now?
[12:18] <bill__k> Yorokobi: maybe later.  I'm guessing that will create a whole new set of problems as I have 2 screens and am using ati's bigdesktop
[12:18] <tulio__> no difference
[12:18] <dwidmann> bobleny, should be sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname-r`
[12:18] <Yorokobi> ragnork, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic (for the generic kernel package)
[12:18] <Chemicalvamp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13437/ so whats my corse of action here?
[12:18] <Yorokobi> bill__k, true enough :)
[12:19] <Chemicalvamp> sudo apt-get install java?
[12:19] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, yes, install the java jdk
[12:19] <Yorokobi> sun-java-jdk????
[12:19] <dwidmann> lewix: which part? The removing of the old is done, but I'm supposing you haven't installed a newer version yet
[12:19] <Chemicalvamp> i got jre-1_5_0_11-linux-amd64.bin sitting here on my desktop
[12:20] <Chemicalvamp> im new.. i THINK i know how to install it, but im not sure
[12:20] <Sanne> Chemicalvamp: java ist in the ubuntu repositories, better install software from there if it's available.
[12:21] <dwidmann> Chemicalvamp: pull up konsole, chmod +x jre-1_5_0_11-linux-amd64.bin
[12:21] <dwidmann> then run it with ./jre-1_5_0_11-linux-amd64.bin
[12:21] <Lewix> dwidmann, the old is removed ..now I want to install the newer ersion
[12:22] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, you may have to run it as root (sudo ./jre...
[12:22] <dwidmann> Yorokobi: it extracts in the same directory, so running it as root shouldn't be necessary
[12:23] <Chemicalvamp> sudo chmod +x jre-1_5_0_11-linux-amd64.bin -->  chmod: cannot access `jre-1_5_0_11-linux-amd64.b': No such file or directory
[12:23] <ragnork> What is GCC?
[12:23] <dwidmann> lewix: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+package/amsn here is where you can find the latest
[12:23] <Yorokobi> dwidmann, running as root allows a global install instead of a user-specific install IIRC
[12:23] <dwidmann> ragnork: gnu compiler collection
[12:23] <Sanne> ragnork: gnu c compiler
[12:23] <ragnork> kk thanks
[12:23] <Lewix> dwidmann, edgy
[12:23] <Sanne> dwidmann: ah
[12:24] <dwidmann> lewix, there won't be any other upgrades for edgy, so if you want something newer you'll have to pull from feisty or compile from source
[12:24] <Lewix> dwidmann, how do I do that please and is it going to work properly
[12:24] <Yorokobi> lewix, alternatively, you can use other chat clients that support the MSN messenger transport (Gaim, Kopete, Psi)
[12:25] <Chemicalvamp> sudo chmod +x ~/desktop/jre-1_5_0_11-linux-amd64.bin didnt work either....
[12:25] <Lewix> Yorokobi, im looking for the best one
[12:25] <Lewix> Yorokobi, similar to msn
[12:25] <ragnork> Umm. a last one, how to see the content of a dir from the Konsole?
[12:25] <Yorokobi> heh, best and similar are not always the same :)
[12:25] <Chemicalvamp> ls isnt it?
[12:25] <Yorokobi> ragnork, ls
[12:26] <Moby_Dick> Good afternoon
[12:26] <dwidmann> lewix: well, after you've downloaded the *.deb, right click it, and go to kubuntu package menu -> install
[12:27] <Sanne> Chemicalvamp: so, again, you could just enable multiverse and install sun-java5-jre from adept/synaptic/apt.
[12:27] <dwidmann> if it fails, then you're going to have to start downloading some of its dependencies from the feisty branch also, which will likely be a bit tedious, but should work
[12:27] <Lewix> how do I do that from the cmd dwidmann  and thank you. aligato
[12:27] <Yorokobi> Sanne, unless Chemicalvamp wants to use the 64bit Java libraries
[12:27] <dwidmann> from cmd? dpkg --install thefilename.deb
[12:27] <Chemicalvamp> yes i need 64 bit
[12:27] <dwidmann> 64-bit ftw!
[12:28] <Chemicalvamp> 32-bit FTL
[12:28] <Sanne> Chemicalvamp, Yorokobi: sun java is avaliable for 64 bit. The mozilla plugin may be not, though.
[12:29] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, are you going to have Java access more than 4 GB of memory? That's about the only reason I've seen anyone use 64bit java
[12:29] <dwidmann> Sanne: the plugin isn't.
[12:29] <Sanne> dwidmann: yeah, as I said ;). But for eclipse I guess it isn't needed.
[12:29] <Moby_Dick> does anybody here know good cd burning software for kde?
[12:29] <Sanne> Moby_Dick: k3b
[12:30] <Yorokobi> Moby_Dick, k3b
[12:30] <Chemicalvamp> i dont know, i run an amd64 notebook, a bug fix for eclipse said to use 64 bit.. i guess
[12:30] <dwidmann> Yorokobi: unless you need to use closed source legacy applications that haven't been ported to amd64, I can see no viable reason why you would want to take a performance hit (i386 doesn't win in any category except memory consumption)
[12:30] <Moby_Dick> k3b seems to ruin a lot of cds
[12:30] <Chemicalvamp> i just want it to work! lol
[12:30] <dwidmann> k3b is the best one out. If you're having trouble with it, then upgrade to k3b 1.0
[12:31] <dwidmann> Definitely make sure to get dvd+rwtools version 7.0 also
[12:31] <Yorokobi> Moby_Dick, you could try cdrecord but k3b is better IMHO
[12:31] <Sanne> Chemicalvamp: well, I don't use eclipse, but I have sun java installed from the repositories, and I'm also on amd64, to run some java software. You can try, I guess.
[12:31] <tarelerulz> How do you unrar stuff ?
[12:31] <dwidmann> Yorokobi: k3b is a frontend to cdrecord ...
[12:31] <Yorokobi> tarelerulz, install the unrar package and use either ark or 'unrar ??.rar'
[12:32] <Yorokobi> dwidmann, haha, I did not know that.
[12:32] <Alda> tarelerulz if you have ark just click the .rar
[12:32] <tarelerulz> I use the free unrar and all ,but it don't ahve it in ark
[12:32] <Moby_Dick> okay k3b 1.0, mine  is 0.12, and it does not upgrade with the apt-get update
[12:33] <Sesshoumaru> my hdd won't mount.. HELP
[12:33] <dwidmann> Yorokobi: it can also use cdrdao, I think it uses cdrdao by default though now that I think about it
[12:33] <Lewix> dwidmann, so how do i do that from the command line? apt-get install *.deb?
[12:33] <Mantis> hello all....I'm new and I have a question about boot loaders
[12:33] <tulio__> does anyone know why my kaffeine play avi files but there no image or sound appearing?
[12:33] <dwidmann> Moby_Dick: yeah ... easiest way is probably to fetch from source, unless you're in the mood to upgrade to feisty :P
[12:33] <tarelerulz> Kaffieine does that to me too tulio
[12:34] <dwidmann> tulio__: avi is just a container format. It's all dependant on what video and audio codecs are used, and if you have support for those
[12:34] <Sesshoumaru> try vlc player
[12:34] <tarelerulz> vlc don't seem to do menus
[12:34] <dwidmann> I can play virtually anything in kaffeine. Especially with the kmplayer backend, hehehe
[12:34] <Chemicalvamp> sudo chmod +x /home/bott/Desktop/jre-1_5_0_11-linux-amd64.bin worked
[12:34] <tulio__> dwidmann: i think a have installed all the packages necessary for playing that
[12:34] <Sesshoumaru> ? menus
[12:34] <Mantis> When I installed Kubuntu the bootloader automatically boots into linux after a few seconds, is there an easy way to change this?  I'd kinda like it to go to windows until I'm more comfortable with linux
[12:35] <Sesshoumaru> i play alot of different formats on it
[12:35] <tulio__> tarelerulz: does vlc play on your pc?
[12:35] <dwidmann> tulio__: wouldn't happen to know what video and audio codecs that particular avi uses would you?
[12:35] <Yorokobi> Mantis, grub should give you a menu if it detected a Windows install
[12:35] <gravespk> Dwidmann: Ok, OS installed... system boots fine.... how can I check the status of the disks?
[12:35] <Lewix> hmm and how do I delette a folder from the cmd line again?
[12:35] <tarelerulz> Yes it vlc plays on my pc .
[12:35] <tulio__> dwidmann: dont know
[12:35] <tarelerulz> I read iso file for jap movie and it don't read the menu
[12:36] <tulio__> ill try vlc
[12:36] <Lewix> and how to I go back from a directory
[12:36] <tarelerulz> It does see iso file which is hot for movies
[12:36] <dwidmann> gravespk: I think it's mdadm-monitor or something, I'd have to look it up. I don't really have much use for RAID myself (I do have a nice lvm setup though)
[12:36] <Mantis> I did get a menu, I didn't see anything about which OS it would boot into though
[12:36] <Yorokobi> Mantis, usually, the last one in the list is Windows
[12:36] <Yorokobi> !grub | Mantis
[12:36] <ubotu> Mantis: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:37] <Mantis> All right, I'll look arround a bit
[12:37] <Chemicalvamp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13437/ AGAIN
[12:37] <dwidmann> gravespk: also, you can look at /proc/mdstat
[12:37] <Mantis> thanks, I'll pop back in if I can't figure it out
[12:37] <Sanne> Mantis: you can edit the default os grubboots into in /boot/grub/menu.lst (make a backup first)
[12:38] <dwidmann> graves: http://unthought.net/Software-RAID.HOWTO/Software-RAID.HOWTO-6.html
[12:38] <dwidmann> Tells you a way to test via software too
[12:38] <Sanne> Mantis: if you want, I can help you do that.
[12:39] <Sesshoumaru> wow.. i didn't know that vlc could play iso
[12:39] <dwidmann> Lewix: dpkg --install to install, "cd .." to go up a directory
[12:39] <Lewix> dwidmann, thanks
[12:39] <Lewix> I was doind cd..
[12:39] <Lewix> it's stupid^^ (the space)
[12:40] <tarelerulz> does vlc have problem read smbmount ?
[12:40] <Mantis> Sanne:  thanks for the offer, If I run into any trouble, I'll get back with you
[12:40] <Moby_Dick> now when I upgrade k3b ... should I uninstall the one that comes with edgy
[12:40] <Sanne> Mantis: ok, good luck :)
[12:40] <Chemicalvamp> why must i run something 2 time before it actually loads?
[12:40] <dwidmann> Moby_Dick: I would, b ut you don't really need to
[12:41] <Chemicalvamp> had to run adept 3 times before it loaded that tome
[12:41] <Moby_Dick> what about the back end, cdrecord and cdrao?
[12:42] <Moby_Dick> should those be upgraded automatically?
[12:42] <Lewix> dwidmann, and once it's done?
[12:43] <Sanne> Chemicalvamp: sometimes apps that you run as admin, like adept or synaptic, fail to start the first time. It has to do with kdesu confusing itself. It's a known bug, as far as I understood, and hopefully worked on.
[12:43] <Chemicalvamp> ok glad its not just me...
[12:43] <Sesshoumaru> can someone help me with nvidia
[12:43] <Sanne> Chemicalvamp: yup, it's not you :)
[12:43] <tarelerulz> I have had all sorts of problem with kubuntu when I installed it
[12:44] <Chemicalvamp> one more: from time to time when i type, it spontaniously pastes is that everybody too?
[12:44] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, are you hitting Shift-Insert or Ctrl-V on accident?
[12:44] <Chemicalvamp> nope
[12:45] <Sesshoumaru> come on theres like 362 people in here..
[12:45] <tarelerulz> I had ark go out on me the first time  installed kubuntu
[12:45] <Sanne> Chemicalvamp: no, not here. That may be you, after all ;)
[12:45] <Chemicalvamp> nooo
[12:45] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, can you be more specific than "help [you]  with nvidia"?
[12:45] <dwidmann> Lewix: well, try to run amsn, supposing it installed okay?
[12:45] <Sesshoumaru> my resolution settings never saves
[12:46] <Sesshoumaru> it resets when i restart
[12:46] <Munro_> I see I'm not the only one with GFX problems
[12:46] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru: run  "sudo nvidia-settings"
[12:46] <Lewix> dwidmann, loool...thanks it was stupid of me
[12:46] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, can you paste you xorg.conf to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org so we can look at it?
[12:46] <Chemicalvamp> !ati
[12:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:47] <Chemicalvamp> i had that issue too
[12:47] <Moby_Dick> Is t worth upgrading to 7.04?
[12:47] <Sesshoumaru> hold on firefox is acting retarded
[12:47] <Munro_> I have 28k dial up. How the world can I get my drivers???
[12:48] <dwidmann> Moby_Dick: I t hink it is, it would all depend on your reaons for wanting to do so, and how much bandwidth you have (seeing as it is a rather large download)
[12:48] <tulio__> it is still not playing avi images
[12:48] <tulio__> does anyone knows why?
[12:48] <dwidmann> Moby_Dick:  here's how - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[12:48] <Moby_Dick> I was looking at that.
[12:48] <Yorokobi> tulio__, you may need to get the w32codecs from the seveas repositories
[12:48] <tulio__> seveas?
[12:48] <tarelerulz> get mplayer tulio that works great
[12:48] <dwidmann> !seveas | tulio__
[12:48] <tulio__> i have it from another repo
[12:49] <ubotu> tulio__: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:49] <Sesshoumaru> which syntax?
[12:49] <Moby_Dick> But so far 6.10 is going well for me, just the cd burning  software
[12:49] <Yorokobi> Moby_Dick, I've had the upgrade work both times but it was a serious pain on my server/workstation (a breeze on my laptop)
[12:49] <tulio__> tarelerulz: im using vlc
[12:49] <tarelerulz> really I don't know what to say It just worked for me,but I have not try avi yet
[12:49] <tarelerulz> I have been use for move iso
[12:50] <gravespk> ARGH... this whole linux raid idea is starting to become more trouble than its worth
[12:50] <dwidmann> AVI is just a container. It is a completely open format. The problems people run into are with copyrighted vidoe and audio codecs
[12:50] <dwidmann> gravespk: what's up now?
[12:51] <tulio__> audio is fine, but the video sometimes appear and sometimes it dont
[12:51] <tulio__> can it be because of xgl?
[12:51] <tarelerulz> that is why  I use mplayer it read wma,wmv , avi ogg and couple I can't remember
[12:51] <Yorokobi> tulio__, quite possibly
[12:52] <Yorokobi> I've had problems with xine in Xgl
[12:52] <dwidmann> tulio__: not likely at all
[12:52] <dwidmann> well, maybe, try switching its video out driver ...
[12:52] <gravespk> Well I ran cat /proc/mdstat (per instructions on a linux md raid setup guide) to see the status of my RAID.... 1)It's confusing, completely unuserfriendly (I saw the status of my raid but have NO CLUE what any of it meant).... beyond that.... in their example both parts of the raid (the source & mirror partitions) were listed.... in mine its only listing one, making me think that maybe my raid isnt working
[12:52] <tulio__> dwidmann: how?
[12:52] <dwidmann> settings -> configure xine engine
[12:53] <dwidmann> video tab
[12:53] <Sesshoumaru> ok. i paste the xorg.conf
[12:53] <tulio__> there is only GL Desktop in the Settings option
[12:53] <dwidmann> xv is best, but if it's not working try other things
[12:53] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, what's the URL (or number at the end)
[12:53] <Moby_Dick> Which is easier on the resources gnome or kde
[12:53] <dwidmann> tulio__: I mean in kaffeine
[12:53] <dwidmann> Moby_Dick: they're about the same really
[12:53] <Sesshoumaru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13447/
[12:54] <tarelerulz> mplayer is fun like that swith  video out and sound out
[12:54] <Moby_Dick> I can't really tell the difference, I guess gnome doesn't have a "start" menu
[12:54] <tulio__> dwidmann: ok
[12:54] <tulio__> sorry
[12:55] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, wow, that's as bare-boned a config as you can get :) ... one sec
[12:55] <Yorokobi> Moby_Dick, Gnome's "start" menu is the Applications menu
[12:55] <dwidmann> Option         "metamodes" "1440x900_60 +0+0; 800x600 +0+0; 640x480 +0+0" <--- this line looks like it was one added by nvidia-settings, right?
[12:57] <mervteck> can anyone tell me how to repartition the unused space on my drive?
[12:57] <dwidmann> mervteck: well, you can use something like fdisk, parted, or qtparted
[12:57] <mervteck> in running Kubuntu Edgy
[12:57] <dwidmann> mervteck: preferably from a live cd if you're using the disk in any way
[12:58] <mervteck> so... boot from live cd then repartition it?
[12:58] <dwidmann> yeah
[12:58] <mervteck> k brb gonna boot on live cd
[01:00] <calamari> hi
[01:00] <tarelerulz> God I love VLC when it works right. I am watching jap movie with english subtitles
[01:00] <calamari> can I set my desktop as my home directory?  I created a symliunk but I don't see to have any icons on the desktop yet
[01:01] <HymnToLife> tarelerulz, same here but I don't use it cause I don't like when it does _not_ work right :p
[01:01] <Tm_T> calamari: no you can,t and you never wan't
[01:01] <HymnToLife> calamari, you don't want to do that
[01:01] <tarelerulz> That is lame ,but I am donig good so far
[01:01] <calamari> HymnToLife: yes, I do
[01:02] <tarelerulz> If mplayer would read iso I would be use it
[01:02] <Tm_T> calamari: if you manage to do that some way, you end up to have, well, pile of poopoo
[01:02] <calamari> that's how I had it in gnome, and it was great
[01:02] <Tm_T> IF I understood what you mean
[01:02] <calamari> err.. maybe I said it backwards
[01:03] <calamari> I'd like my home directory to be my desktop
[01:03] <calamari> so that when I put stuff in the home dir it shows up on the desktop
[01:03] <Tm_T> uff
[01:03] <gravespk> is SATA hot-swappable?
[01:03] <Yorokobi> calamari, not a good idea
[01:03] <HymnToLife> gravespk, in theory, yes
[01:03] <calamari> Yorokobi: why not?
[01:03] <dwidmann> make /home/blah/desktop a symlink to /home/blah, then pull up konsole, "killall kdesktop && kdesktop"
[01:04] <gravespk> So, "IN THEORY" what happens if I unplug one of my hard drives?
[01:04] <calamari> thanks.. just need to do the killall then
[01:04] <HymnToLife> dunno, I never dared to try :p
[01:04] <Tm_T> calamari: no, don't do killall
[01:04] <Tm_T> calamari: there's cleaner way, I'm sure
[01:04] <dwidmann> gravespk: in theory it would work, but I'd be damned if I'd want to try it and find out
[01:04] <HymnToLife> yep
[01:04] <HymnToLife> logout and log back in
[01:04] <calamari> can someone who is telling me not to do this, please kindly tell me WHY?
[01:05] <calamari> :)
[01:05] <HymnToLife> because usually, you put lots of stuff in your home
[01:05] <calamari> ahh, so the clutter issue
[01:05] <HymnToLife> so if all that appears on the desktop, it will be insanely full
[01:05] <calamari> it's fine as long as it hides dot files
[01:05] <Yorokobi> If you set you Desktop to the home its fine. If you try to set your home to Desktop (yes, semantically different) then you could have problems.
[01:05] <gravespk> God I hope a terrorist never kidnaps my girlfriend and threatens to kill her if I don't build them a working Linux Raid............. My girlfriend would be sooo dead
[01:05] <Tm_T> calamari: "dcop kdesktop MainApplication-Interface quit" should shut it down clean
[01:06] <calamari> thanks
[01:06] <HymnToLife> RAid is overrated
[01:06] <calamari> brb
[01:06] <Yorokobi> gravespk, are you using software RAID or hardware?
[01:06] <gravespk> *Trying* to use software.... I bought a motherboard with onboard RAID..... little did I know that it requires Windows to function
[01:07] <Chemicalvamp> yay adept has been installing for like an hour now.. still 28%
[01:07] <Yorokobi> gravespk, yeah. My MB has that option, I chose to go without RAID
[01:07] <Jisao> gravespk, you're screwed when you have that type of raid and the mobo dies.  Often the hardware is then obsolete.
[01:07] <dwidmann> gravespk: you can get the motherboards sort to function still, sort of, in reality it's just an eased interface to software raid
[01:08] <gravespk> Wait a second
[01:08] <Yorokobi> RAID with Linux works great, so long as you're using a hardware controller (ie, Adaptec)
[01:08] <dwidmann> jisao, but he's using pure software with mdadm ...
[01:08] <Moby_Dick> with the k3b which is a newer version.  ubuntu 0.12.17 or the k3b 1.0 ?
[01:08] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi did you find anything wrong with the cfg?
[01:08] <gravespk> is there a way in linux to make 2 folders continually mirrored... i.e. if I have a folder such as /home/pgraves/Stuff ..... does linux have a function to monitor changes to that folder and mirror it at another location (i.e. /home/pgraves/stuff2)
[01:09] <dwidmann> Moby_Dick: 1.0 is hot off the press, only about a week old :)
[01:09] <HymnToLife> Moby_Dick, as far as I know, 1.0 > 0.12 :p
[01:09] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, :) I was waiting for you to answer dwidmann's question about the "metamodes" entry
[01:09] <Sesshoumaru> i didn't see it :(
[01:10] <dwidmann> Option         "metamodes" "1440x900_60 +0+0; 800x600 +0+0; 640x480 +0+0" <--- this line looks like it was one added by nvidia-settings, right?
[01:10] <vvv> how do i get kubuntu to auto start beryl everytime i log in.. i folllowed the instructions on beryl's website but it doesn't seem to work
[01:10] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, I have two suggestions. Try it with the metamodes entry commented out. If that fails, try it with the DPMS entry commented out, then try it with both commented out.
[01:11] <Yorokobi> I guess that's three suggestions
[01:11] <vvv> i don't see to have the beryl manager? should i install that? the script i used said it should auto launch
[01:11] <vvv> but it doesn't even seem to be installed
[01:11] <Sesshoumaru> i also have nv disabled in linux-restricted-modules-common..
[01:11] <Yorokobi> vvv, yes, install beryl-manager
[01:11] <dwidmann> the metamodes entry *should* force the resolution that is listed first, at least it gets the WorksForMe stamp of approval
[01:11] <Jisao> Kubuntu crashed on me now and then.  What is the best way to discover what is really going on?
[01:12] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, you're using the nvidia driver so nv shouldn't be used.
[01:12] <Sesshoumaru> >.<   i have no idea what your talking about
[01:12] <Moby_Dick> Has anybody here install k3b 1.0 on edgy?
[01:12] <Sesshoumaru> yeah i thought so
[01:12] <vvv> ok yorokobi i'll try and come back if it doesn't help. .thanks for the confirmation though. just wasnt' sure what to do
[01:12] <Chemicalvamp> how do i killall adept?
[01:13] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, sudo killall adept_manager
[01:13] <dwidmann> Jisao: I'd check the logs in /var/log, particularly dmesg
[01:14] <Sesshoumaru> so i should have only one resolution in the cfg like 1440 x 900 ?
[01:14] <Jisao> ok
[01:14] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, the resolutions should go from the highest supported to the lowest supported
[01:14] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru: I'm betting it was written in by nvidia-settings, and you're saying it's not taking that resolution right (that's the one you want, correct?)
[01:15] <Sesshoumaru> umm.. sure
[01:15] <Chemicalvamp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13453/ please, what do i have to kill to upgrade to 7.04?
[01:15] <mervteck> hey dwid i was in qtpartition or somthing like that in live cd and it would only let me reformat the whole chunk not jsut make the one smaller
[01:15] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru: so what resolution are you running at right now?
[01:15] <Sesshoumaru> 1440 x 900 but i have to set this every time i start the computer
[01:16] <sketchb0x> kubuntu is going to take over the world
[01:16] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, 'ps wax | grep adept' then sudo kill -9 <pid>
[01:16] <sketchb0x> watch
[01:16] <Sesshoumaru> it starts in 1240 or whatever
[01:16] <dwidmann> mervteck: what's your current partition setup? (You can get a pretty nice printout by running the command sudo "parted /dev/<device> print" substituting the device name of course
[01:16] <N6REJ> anyone know how to remove a program from wine?
[01:16] <Sesshoumaru> i have ubuntu .. theres no real difference right?
[01:17] <Sesshoumaru> from kubuntu
[01:17] <compilerwriter> I am about to compile ktorrent from source.  I have torrents running.  I should be able to stop them compile the latest version and then have it pick up where I left off should I not?
[01:17] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, only the X window manager (Gnome v KDE)
[01:17] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru: I have an idea
[01:18] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru: on the line   Modes      "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:18] <vvv> could anyone link me to a how to install mplayer guide a current one
[01:18] <vvv> i'm a linux newb and i don't know about compilers and everything
[01:18] <dwidmann> remove 1600x1200 and 1280x1024, and add 1440x900 in their place
[01:18] <Jisao> any clue in particular I am looking for, dwidmann ?
[01:19] <calamari> desktop is good now, thanks :)
[01:19] <dwidmann> vvv: first, download the source, then run this command: "sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer", you have to have the deb-src repositories enabled though
[01:19] <mervteck> i dont rember the name of the hd i got>.<
[01:19] <dwidmann> after t hat, extract the source, run "./configure && make && sudo make install"
[01:20] <dwidmann> mervteck: probably hda or sda
[01:20] <vvv> i see ty thats the command i was missing
[01:20] <Sesshoumaru>         Modes      "1440x900" "1440x900" "1440x900" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:20] <Sesshoumaru> 800x600 640x80 too?
[01:20] <Chemicalvamp> yorokobi: still didnt work
[01:20] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, you only need one entry for each resolution
[01:20] <gravespk> Does Ubuntu have a function for continually mirroring folders? (I.e. ensuring that any changes made to /home/pgraves/stuff1 is also made to /home/pgraves/stuff2)
[01:20] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru: no no no, you only need one entry of 1440x900
[01:20] <Yorokobi> !adept | Chemicalvamp
[01:20] <ubotu> Chemicalvamp: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[01:20] <vvv> will that install the plugins to media player as well dwidmann
[01:20] <Sesshoumaru> ok i'll try it
[01:20] <just-this-time> f-spot is a gnome prog howto use it from kde to export to picasaweb.google.com
[01:21] <vvv> cause i can install it. but i can't install the codec to make it work
[01:21] <Yorokobi> argh, that didn't have all the info I was looking for ...
[01:21] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru:  something lke "Modes      "1440x900" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480""
[01:21] <Sesshoumaru> what about metamode
[01:21] <Sesshoumaru>     Option         "metamodes" "1440x900_60 +0+0; 800x600 +0+0; 640x480 +0+0"
[01:21] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru: leave metamode alone, it looks okay
[01:22] <mervteck> Disk /dev/hdb: 160GB
[01:22] <Yorokobi> !adept_manager > Yorokobi
[01:22] <mervteck> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
[01:22] <mervteck> Partition Table: msdos
[01:22] <mervteck> Number  Start   End    Size    Type      File system  Flags
[01:22] <mervteck>  1      32.3kB  154GB  154GB   primary   ext3         boot
[01:22] <mervteck>  2      154GB   160GB  6169MB  extended
[01:22] <dwidmann> vvv: no, you'd need to download the w32codecs seperately and put them in /usr/lib/win32
[01:22] <mervteck>  5      154GB   160GB  6169MB  logical   linux-swap
[01:22] <mervteck> sorry for the spam >.<
[01:22] <dwidmann> I've gotta go, I'll be back later
[01:22] <Sesshoumaru> ok.. i'm restarting. if x doesn't start ,, i'm suing you!  lol :P
[01:22] <vvv> when i try and put it into the directory it says i dont' have premission
[01:23] <gravespk> ANYONE?
[01:23] <gravespk> see ya Dwidmann
[01:23] <vvv> cya dwid and thanks
[01:23] <Yorokobi> gravespk, you could make one a symlink to the other
[01:23] <hyuma> hello guys
[01:24] <hyuma> does anyone knows if there is a fix fo kopete bug with DCC request?
[01:24] <hyuma> server irc.darksin.net
[01:24] <Moby_Dick> Qt4 seems to be in ubuntu, but it says my version isn't new enough?  Has anybody here had to manually install Qt4?
[01:24] <mervteck> can anyone help me get my repartition to work?
[01:25] <vvv> i have a windows parition on my computer... but kubuntu won't let me mount it.. ubuntu let's me mount my other harddrives without a problem
[01:25] <vvv> how do i fix this issue?
[01:27] <dug> i have been looking into my issue for awhile, and theres many people saying to fix it many ways. I was using 6.06 kubuntu live cd, liked it so I got edgy and installed it. My wireless card worked fine with 6.06 but with edgy I cant get it to work. It sees networks but wont connect to them, even open networks.
[01:27] <ubuntu> hello i have a problem
[01:27] <ubuntu> WHo can help me please
[01:28] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, depends on what your problem is
[01:28] <Yorokobi> dug, what wifi chipset is your wifi card?
[01:28] <ubuntu> i am on kubuntu trying to listen to an online radiostream
[01:28] <Yorokobi> that was redundant :)
[01:28] <ubuntu> but i hear no audio
[01:28] <vvv> does anyone know what i have to install to be able to mount harddrives?
[01:29] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, what's the URL for the radio station?
[01:29] <Moby_Dick> dug, what are you using to "see" networks
[01:29] <ubuntu> Yorokobi: its one of the coolstreams in amarok
[01:30] <dug> tried wireless assistant and kwlan whats the cmd again to show what my chipset is again
[01:30] <ubuntu> i cant hear mp3 only ogg
[01:30] <dug> i think its along the line of lipsc
[01:30] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: its still in 1024x768
[01:30] <Moby_Dick> dug, with both of my wireless cards, the gui assistant wouldn't work so I would have to type sudo iwconfig eth0 essid 'linksys'
[01:30] <Moby_Dick> or whatever the name of the network you want is.
[01:30] <dug> so it would be ath0
[01:31] <Moby_Dick> dug, your using an atheros card?
[01:31] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say ?
[01:31] <dug> yes
[01:31] <Chemicalvamp> trying to fix dependancies.... got http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13458/ in konsole and i dont know how to get past it please
[01:31] <dug> i cant remember the cmd to show what it is
[01:31] <hyuma> what's the better IRC client for kubuntu?
[01:31] <Moby_Dick> dug, I have one of those and I had to install mad wifi to get it to work.
[01:31] <ubuntu> i am a major n00b
[01:31] <ubuntu> that scares me all
[01:32] <dug> yea i came across them and was wondering if it would work
[01:32] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, tab :)
[01:32] <Yorokobi> then enter
[01:32] <dug> great i have the install page
[01:32] <Moby_Dick> dug, and when I upgraded my kernal I had to reinstall mad wifi
[01:32] <Chemicalvamp> tyvm again
[01:32] <Moby_Dick> dug, do both of the lights flash on your network card?
[01:32] <dug> ok thanks moby i just wanted to be sure it worked so i wouldnt be trying out 100s of different ways
[01:32] <dug> yes they are flashing
[01:32] <ubuntu> can i get hacked on linux?
[01:32] <Moby_Dick> both of them?
[01:32] <dug> yes they go back and forth
[01:32] <jhutchins> hyuma: I like konversation, kopete will do IRC, and xchat is available as well.  I think those are the most popular.
[01:33] <dug> it sees networks and what not but wont get on them
[01:33] <compilerwriter> Would someone be kind enough to take me by the hand on a compile of ktorrent.  I think I might be messing something up.
[01:33] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, which version of amarok are you using ?
[01:33] <hyuma> jhutchins:  thanks, but konversation is bugged with dcc chat
[01:33] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi i see nothing about nvidia errors..
[01:33] <Moby_Dick> try typing from a terminal, sudo ath0 essid 'networkname'
[01:33] <hyuma> I've noticed problem with fserve triggers
[01:33] <Moby_Dick> then; sudo dhclient ath0
[01:33] <vit_> hey men
[01:33] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, paste them to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org please
[01:33] <vit_> i have a problem
[01:34] <ubuntu> all i want is to hear audio from amarok why is it so hard Chemicalvamp you totally confused me instead of helped me
[01:34] <Moby_Dick> because when both my lights flash, my card is working.
[01:34] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: If you're having trouble compiling it might be best to stick to .deb packages for a while.
[01:34] <ubuntu> i am in panic niw
[01:34] <ubuntu> now
[01:34] <Moby_Dick> But mad wifi did get it to work.
[01:34] <hyuma> maybe xchat is better for dcc'ing
[01:34] <ubuntu> amarok 1.4.3
[01:34] <Yorokobi> dug, do you have the linux-kerner-restricted-? package installed?
[01:35] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, do you also have amarok-xine installed?
[01:35] <dug> sudo ath0 essid linux
[01:35] <dug> Password:
[01:35] <dug> sudo: ath0: command not found
[01:35] <dug> got that error
[01:35] <hyuma> jhutchins: do you use beryl?
[01:35] <Moby_Dick> I'm sorry, iwconfig
[01:35] <Moby_Dick> I'm sorry, iwconfig ath0 essid linux
[01:35] <ubuntu> i dont know what that means even Yorokobi
[01:35] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi how do i copy all with nano
[01:35] <Sesshoumaru> i can't highlight it all with my nouse
[01:35] <jhutchins> hyuma: No.  I have an old video card that does what I need, but probably would just be frustrating with beryl.
[01:36] <hyuma> I've old video card too
[01:36] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, I dunno. I rarely use nano. Try highlighting it with the mouse then copy&paste
[01:36] <dug> iwconfig ath0 essid linux
[01:36] <dug> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[01:36] <dug>     SET failed on device ath0 ; Operation not permitted.
[01:36] <hyuma> mine is geforce 2 gts with 32MB RAM
[01:36] <Sesshoumaru> nevermind i'll use a defferent editor
[01:36] <Yorokobi> oh
[01:36] <hyuma> but beryl is crazy
[01:36] <hyuma> and works well
[01:36] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, in konsole, type 'sudo apt-get install amarok-xine'
[01:37] <dug> its enabled
[01:37] <dug> ive tried about everything but ill give madwifi a shot
[01:37] <Moby_Dick> sudo dhclient ath0
[01:37] <dug> k
[01:37] <vvv> is thier away to mount  ntfs harddrives in kubuntu? like you can in ubuntu
[01:37] <jhutchins> hyuma: Actually, for a great many people beryl does not work at all.
[01:37] <hyuma> ah really?
[01:37] <ubuntu> it says amarok0-xine is already the latest Yorokobi
[01:38] <jhutchins> hyuma: I don't think it's even ready for a beta release yet, but it's out there.
[01:38] <jhutchins> !ntfs | vvv
[01:38] <ubotu> vvv: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:38] <dug> its trying to discover
[01:38] <compilerwriter> jhutchins:  I am not sure if I have a problem or not.  I would just like someone to walk me through it.  The directions on ktorrent.org look simple enough.  I just need a bit of advice on some configure output.
[01:38] <vvv> ty
[01:38] <Chemicalvamp> gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf command for kubuntu please?
[01:38] <vvv> ty ubotu
[01:38] <Sesshoumaru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13461/
[01:38] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, subst gedit with kate
[01:38] <ubuntu> Yorokobi:  so why am i not hearing sound?
[01:38] <Moby_Dick> did you get the network name correct?
[01:39] <dug> yes
[01:39] <hyuma> jhutchins: test the aalib with xine
[01:39] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, I dunno ... there may be another package that is required
[01:39] <eilker> !eudora
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eudora - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <hyuma> jhutchins: and open an avi file
[01:39] <jhutchins> compilerwriter: Standard advice for this channel is that working within the package manager is the best way to avoid problems.  Compiling your own software should be done by people who understand what they're doing, and why.  Other than the following:
[01:39] <jhutchins> !build | compilerwriter
[01:39] <ubotu> compilerwriter: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:39] <jhutchins> !packages
[01:39] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[01:39] <ubuntu> if windows sucks so much and linux  is supposed to be so good why isnt it working such a simple thing as hearing sound
[01:40] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, I've never had a problem with Amarok and MP3s
[01:40] <hyuma> does the ntfsck is ready for linux?
[01:40] <ubuntu> thats what they all say
[01:40] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Because of updated soundcard chipsets and volunteers developing new drivers for alsa in the kernel.
[01:40] <ubuntu> i cant hear the music
[01:40] <ubuntu> who can help me :(
[01:40] <vvv> kubuntu doesn't even pick up my 5.1
[01:40] <vvv> only 2.1 in kubuntu and ubuntu
[01:41] <jhutchins> hyuma: Have you followed this?
[01:41] <jhutchins> !audio | ubuntu
[01:41] <ubotu> ubuntu: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:41] <jhutchins> vvv: Your sound card manufacturer has not provided the specs so that someone could write a 5.1 driver.
[01:41] <ubuntu> why is this so hard to do
[01:42] <jhutchins> vvv: You may find some help in the troublshooting file above though.
[01:42] <hyuma> what's jhutchins ?
[01:42] <ubuntu> windows has trojans but at least stuff just works
[01:42] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, 'sudo apt-get install libxine1'
[01:42] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi did you get the link?
[01:42] <Minataku> ubuntu: Windows' tendency to "just work" is typically why things are so hard in Linux
[01:42] <jhutchins> ubuntu: That's because you pay people to write the drivers.
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu: at least until vista came along
[01:43] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, sorry, I missed it ... one sec
[01:43] <jhutchins> When things don't work in Linux, I can fix them.  In windows, I have to wait for someone to fix them for me.
[01:43] <Minataku> jhutchins: If that ever happens
[01:43] <jhutchins> Minataku: Right.
[01:43] <ubuntu> libxine1 is already installed Yorokobi
[01:43] <Minataku> And asking if you can fix them yourself gets you "No, this is our intellectual property blah blah trade secrets blah proprietary"
[01:43] <Minataku> It's all money poisoning
[01:44] <jhutchins> Minataku: Sometimes the "we know what's best for you" fix is worse than the problem.
[01:44] <Minataku> Forget cyanide, forget ricin, money is the strongest poison known to man
[01:44] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, what audio chipset do you have?
[01:44] <Minataku> It's effects also reach far beyond just humans
[01:44] <ubuntu> creative live 5.11
[01:44] <vvv> do i need to have wine installed to install mplayer codec?
[01:44] <ubuntu> 5.1
[01:44] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, I see /dev/wacom errors, not nvidia errors
[01:44] <jhutchins> vvv: No.
[01:44] <Minataku> Money poisoning can damage anything, biological or synthetic, living or dead
[01:44] <vvv> how do i get premission to add files into usr  folder?
[01:45] <jhutchins> !mp3 | vvv
[01:45] <ubotu> vvv: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:45] <jhutchins> vvv: Start with the first one, that should get you going.
[01:45] <vvv> ty
[01:45] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, you may benefit from !mp3 as well
[01:45] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Do you know what kernel you have?
[01:46] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi.. maybe i should manualy edit the cfgs.. cause there back to the original
[01:46] <ubuntu> 2.6
[01:46] <jhutchins> ubuntu: which 2.6?
[01:46] <ubuntu> kernel
[01:46] <Minataku> ...
[01:46] <Jarn> !lua
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lua - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <Jarn> Anyone know a program that can be used to edit lua files?
[01:46] <ubuntu> !mp3
[01:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:46] <jhutchins> ubuntu: uname -r in a console.
[01:46] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, I had to get rid of the stylus and other entries in my xorg.conf when I nuked all the wacom Device entries
[01:47] <hyuma> jhutchins:  can you help me please how to write in NTFS HDD ?
[01:47] <ubuntu> what does a kernel have to do with the mp3 being unhearable?
[01:47] <jhutchins> !ntfs-3g | hyuma
[01:47] <ubotu> hyuma: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:47] <ubuntu> now i realize how good windows is
[01:48] <mrand> I'm looking for a (k)ubuntu package equivalent to lxdvdrip
[01:48] <Minataku> ubuntu: Perhaps your mixer settings have the volume turned down?
[01:48] <jhutchins> ubuntu: The alsa drivers which handle sound cards are part of the kernel.  There is an update in the pipeline that fixes a number of problems.
[01:48] <mrand> does anyone know of one?
[01:48] <soulrider> hi everyone
[01:48] <ubuntu> Minataku:  i check all that already
[01:48] <vvv> jhutchins which media player allows me to run my movie as my desktop? or is that another program all together?
[01:48] <jhutchins> !dvd | mrand
[01:48] <ubotu> mrand: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:48] <Minataku> ubuntu: Saying that over and over doesn't make anyone want to help you
[01:48] <soulrider> mrand: how about k9copy ?
[01:48] <mrand> jhutchins: thanks
[01:48] <jhutchins> Sorry guys, I gotta go.  Later.
[01:48] <soulrider> ubuntu is a bot guys, dont talk to him!
[01:48] <voorhees86> what is te best msn software?
[01:48] <vvv> later and thanks again jhut
[01:48] <Minataku> soulrider: That's ubotu
[01:49] <ubuntu> this is the reason why windows will always remain dominant linux isnt helping its forcing people to use windows because they dont want to spend so much time to get simple things to work
[01:49] <hyuma> thank you ubotu and jhutchins
[01:49] <hyuma> :))
[01:49] <dwidmann> define simple
[01:49] <Moby_Dick> mrdlouisd, when my network card works, both lights flash at the same time
[01:50] <Minataku> ubuntu: No, when people refuse to listen to suggestions or recieve help, that's where the problem arises
[01:50] <Minataku> ubuntu: Either knock it off and calm down, or just go away
[01:50] <ubuntu> you guys are supposed to be so smart and 1337 adn all yet cant help me to hear audio
[01:50] <Moby_Dick> mrdlouisd, and I used mad wifi then it work
[01:50] <Alonea> ubuntu: you have checked your mixer right?
[01:50] <ubuntu> yes
[01:50] <Minataku> And insulting us is hardly going to get you anywhere
[01:50] <dwidmann> !attitude | ubuntu
[01:50] <ubotu> ubuntu: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:50] <hyuma> ubotu: I've problem with NTFS HDD and I can't read it in windows because I've page fault error, so I'm triyng to do some fsck from linux for this hard disk.... do you have idea?
[01:51] <hyuma> !ntfsck
[01:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfsck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:51] <Minataku> ubuntu: Linux can be easy, but it requires you to learn
[01:51] <Minataku> You seem to be completely unwilling to learn, so of course it's going to be difficult
[01:51] <ubuntu> its helping me get over my sadness that linux isnt that good afterall
[01:51] <Moby_Dick> ubuntu do you get any sounds out of your speakers
[01:51] <hyuma> !beryl
[01:51] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:52] <ubuntu> only ogg i hear
[01:52] <Minataku> Drop the "Do it all for me" attitude
[01:52] <ubuntu> welcome sound
[01:52] <voorhees86> what is te best msn software?
[01:52] <Moby_Dick> you hear ogg?
[01:52] <hyuma> voorhees86: I'm using kopete
[01:52] <hyuma> it's ok
[01:52] <Alonea> ubuntu: Ok, so you are having trouble playing mp3s?
[01:52] <Minataku> ubuntu: In that case, it sounds like you don't have any MP3 decoding support if you can play OGG files
[01:52] <dwidmann> !codecs | ubuntu
[01:52] <ubotu> ubuntu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:52] <voorhees86> my kopete not work very well
[01:52] <Minataku> Which is completely different from sound not working at all
[01:52] <HaSH> !iso
[01:52] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[01:52] <ubuntu> i told you all that in the beginning :/
[01:53] <Yorokobi> voorhees86, alternatives for MSN : amsn, gaim, psi, kopete, possibly others
[01:53] <Minataku> Then why did you complain that your audio wasn't working at all?
[01:53] <ubuntu> how do i install codecs
[01:53] <ubuntu> from konsole?
[01:53] <Alonea> ubuntu: when you try to play an MP3 on amarok it should say something about installing mp3 support. just let it do its thing and you will be fine.
[01:53] <Moby_Dick> ubuntu what installer are you using, synaptic, kynaptic or adept?
[01:53] <hyuma> ubuntu with apt-get
[01:53] <vvv> does anyone know what i need to play a movie as my background?
[01:53] <ubuntu> it doesnt do that Alonea orelse i woudlnt have been here
[01:53] <hyuma> vvv what?
[01:53] <voorhees86> yeah i know , but im asking what is the best?
[01:54] <dwidmann> voorhees86: that's a matter of opinion
[01:54] <hyuma> voorhees86: gaim
[01:54] <mrand> hyuma: vvv wants his X wallpaper to be the output of mplayer
[01:54] <mrdlouisd> i registered moby thats why my name changed
[01:54] <vit_> alguien que hable espaol!!!
[01:54] <mrdlouisd> thanks for the help
[01:54] <Moby_Dick> ubuntu what package manager are you using?
[01:54] <vvv> yeah thats what  i want mrand
[01:54] <vvv> do you know the name of a program that could do that?
[01:54] <Alonea> ubuntu: ok, so then you are missing libraries. lets see Mplayer has a bunch of binaries. dunno if the package in adept installs those too as I have always done it myself
[01:54] <ubuntu> whats the command to install the codes for mp3: sudo apt-get .... ???
[01:54] <hyuma> do you want take a video capture of your desktop, vvv?
[01:55] <ubuntu> this is very complex
[01:55] <ubuntu> for me
[01:55] <mrand> hyuma: he wants his wallpaper to be a movie
[01:55] <ubuntu> i dont understand
[01:55] <dwidmann> ubuntu: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[01:55] <Moby_Dick> ubuntu, you need to know the codec name, unless you tell me what package manager you are using
[01:55] <Alonea> !adept
[01:55] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[01:55] <ubuntu> ok ty
[01:55] <vvv> i want to make my desktop run movies instead of the movie player
[01:55] <ubuntu> its too much information
[01:55] <hyuma> vvv why?
[01:55] <Hirvinen> !mp3 | ubuntu
[01:55] <ubotu> ubuntu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:56] <ubuntu> libxinel already is the lastest version it says dwidmann
[01:56] <Alonea> ubuntu: linux can be a bit dazzling at first, but you got to be patient. I know its frustrating. I was frustrated at first too.
[01:56] <dwidmann> ubuntu: what program are you using to (attempt to) play the mp3s?
[01:56] <ubuntu> i dont want much just sound is so basic
[01:56] <Yorokobi> dwidmann, ubuntu is using amarok
[01:56] <Moby_Dick> ubuntu, go to the kde menu then, go to system, do you have synaptic or kynaptic in the list?
[01:57] <vvv> hyuma i dual screen and i see alot of people doing it
[01:57] <ubuntu> i dont even know if mp3 codecs is causing it its just that\
[01:57] <mrand> vvv: even if there was a way to do it, it wouldn't work with transparent applications, so the only way you'd be able to see the movie is if you weren't running any programs, but then you'd have your icons in the way of the movie.  X.Org is not windows 95
[01:57] <dwidmann> Yorokobi: wouldn't happen to know if he's running dapper or edgy would you?
[01:57] <ubuntu> i dont hear audio in amarok
[01:57] <Minataku> ubuntu: Perhaps Amarok isn't configured correctly
[01:57] <dwidmann> ubuntu: it's not muted or something silly like that is it?
[01:57] <Yorokobi> 2.6 kernel so edgy or feisty
[01:57] <Hirvinen> ubuntu: Have you followed these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[01:57] <ubuntu> no its not muted both master and pcm slides are in the green
[01:57] <Alonea> ubuntu: mp3 codec isn't installed by default I dont think
[01:57] <dwidmann> Yorokobi: 2.6 kernel would also include breezy hoary and warty
[01:57] <ubuntu> in mixer
[01:58] <Yorokobi> *shrug*
[01:58] <hyuma> vvv :O
[01:58] <vvv> i see mrand
[01:58] <vit_> holas!!!!
[01:58] <dwidmann>  If it's pre-edgy, ubuntu could possibly be using the GStreamer engine instead of the Xine engine, especially in a GNOME setup
[01:58] <Yorokobi> vvv, vlc supports using the desktop as a movie player
[01:59] <vvv> ah i will download that
[01:59] <hyuma> vvv maybe VLC do it?
[01:59] <mrand> Yorokobi: but does it work with transparent applications too?
[01:59] <vvv> ah hyuma i just want to be able to spin my cube and look at movies on every side while its spinning. just for fun
[01:59] <Alonea> ubuntu: I think the packaged you need is libxine-extracodecs
[01:59] <vvv> i will download vlc through add/remove
[01:59] <hyuma> vvv do you have beryl so?
[01:59] <vvv> but i am having one problem with beryl.. i can't seem to add different wallpapers to different sides of the cube
[01:59] <Yorokobi> mrand ... um, keep the desktop clear of apps ? :)
[01:59] <Yorokobi> or use Beryl
[02:00] <mrand> :-P
[02:00] <Moby_Dick> What about the repositories, he probably doesn't have his sources.list file setup to get restricted files
[02:00] <vvv> i see in general  options, desktop background desktop manager support viewports
[02:00] <vvv> when i turn that on.. my other desktops are transparent
[02:00] <Yorokobi> KDE does not support viewports (very well)
[02:00] <vvv> ah i see
[02:00] <Yorokobi> You end up with one desktop via KDE and 4+ viewports with beryl
[02:01] <hyuma> hey anyone knows audio program like adobe audition ?
[02:01] <dwidmann> ubuntu, can you check something for me? in amarok go to settings -> configure amarok -> engine ->. What engine is selected?
[02:02] <vvv> i can't reply to you hyuma in private
[02:02] <hyuma> ok vvv
[02:02] <hawk_> hello eveyone nice to see you all
[02:02] <dwidmann> Hi hawk_
[02:02] <hyuma> !audition
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audition - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <hyuma> !audio editor
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio editor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <dwidmann> hyuma: what does adobe audition do . .. I've never used it
[02:03] <hyuma> audition is for mixing audio
[02:03] <dwidmann> The only audio editing program I've heard about that gets any hype in FOSS-land is audacity
[02:03] <hawk_> anyone know of a good fps or stradigy game for linux with or with out wine
[02:03] <hyuma> it's advanced audio editor audition
[02:03] <dwidmann> !audacity | hyuma
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audacity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <Yorokobi> hawk_, any of the Quake games
[02:03] <vvv> so basically as long as i use beryl i'm limited to one wallpaper on my desktop for every side of the cube?
[02:04] <hyuma> !audacity
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audacity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <dwidmann> !info audicity
[02:04] <dwidmann> gah,
[02:04] <ubotu> Package audicity does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[02:04] <Yorokobi> vvv, oh sure, make me move to my desktop so I can use beryl :)
[02:04] <hawk_> Yorokobi: thanks, dos that work in native linux or wine
[02:04] <dwidmann> !info audacity
[02:04] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[02:04] <hyuma> mmm
[02:04] <dwidmann> there we go
[02:04] <Yorokobi> hawk_, both. But they work better with the linux native binaries
[02:05] <hyuma> dwidmann: I try it now and i tell you if it's good
[02:05] <hawk_> Yorokobi ok thanks for your help, do you know where i can get a how to on seting it up native
[02:05] <dwidmann> The Doom games and UT games work also hawk_
[02:05] <vvv> yoro =)
[02:06] <vvv> ah, i'm such a linux newb i don't even know how to get that matrix wallpaper =(**
[02:06] <dwidmann> hawk_: at any rate, you have to buy the game(s) (it's not free, should be relatively cheap), as you'll be needing a license number or something of that nature
[02:06] <hyuma> dwidmann: no, audacity is very poor program, I need something more professional
[02:06] <Chemicalvamp> i think i broke adept! :((
[02:06] <mrand> hyuma: lol
[02:06] <NightBird> question, can I resize my ntfs partition in the live cd so that I can make space to install kubuntu?
[02:07] <dwidmann> hyuma, that's the only one I k now of, sorry :(
[02:07] <mrand> hyuma: that is an april fools joke??
[02:07] <pagansmind> www.ardour.org daw
[02:07] <hyuma> no mrand
[02:07] <hyuma> wait I show you what I'm looking for
[02:07] <pagansmind> rosegarden i like
[02:07] <Moby_Dick> I am trying to install Qt from the source files on their website, does anybody think this could cause conflicts with my current Qt installation?
[02:07] <hitmanWilly> hyuma: try mixx
[02:08] <dwidmann> Moby_Dick: no, not if you install them somewhere "safe", put them somewhere like /opt/ and th ey won't interfere with anything
[02:08] <vvv> i don't think my sound will ever work well in linux.. only my 2 front speakers work its so annoying
[02:08] <hawk_> dwidmann: have the game quake 1,2 and doom 95 now i just need to find them
[02:09] <hyuma> ok hitmanWilly
[02:09] <Yorokobi> hawk_, check the repositories (quake, q2, q3a are there) but you need the game CD/DVD as well
[02:09] <Moby_Dick> I am installing them so I can install k3b 1.0, so when I configure k3b how do I find the new Qt.
[02:09] <hyuma> http://www.softmag.no/bilder/adobe_audition_s3.jpg
[02:09] <hyuma> this is adobe audition
[02:10] <calamari> how do I set the default web browser to firefox?
[02:11] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: could it be that i have the legacy GPU? my card is BFG nVidia GeForce 7950 GT OC
[02:11] <hawk_> Yorokobi: thanks
[02:11] <Yorokobi> calamari, Kmenu -> System Settings -> Default Applications
[02:11] <Chemicalvamp> yup i broke it... please look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13472/
[02:11] <mrand> hyuma: if audacity does not have a feature you want, there may be a plug-in that provides it.
[02:11] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, a 7950 is not legacy
[02:11] <dwidmann> Sesshoumaru: that's no legacy GPU! that things still very fresh
[02:11] <calamari> Yorokobi: thanks a lot!
[02:11] <pagansmind> http://linux-sound.org/
[02:12] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: LOL
[02:12] <hyuma> mrand: I don't think that audacity will have a plugin that will load video on multitrack mode with audio to sync both
[02:12] <pagansmind> cinderella
[02:12] <dwidmann> The latest one that support was pullef ro in the main driver is the GeForce4 GPUs
[02:12] <Minataku> Yeah, only ATI cards are "legacy" in Linux after 6 months, not nVidia cards
[02:12] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: i didn't know that legacy meant "old"
[02:12] <leiar> cinelerra
[02:13] <Yorokobi> heh
[02:13] <Chemicalvamp> i messed it up huh?
[02:13] <pagansmind> for video editing
[02:13] <hawk_> ok what do i do after i have installed the packege
[02:13] <dik> ,     ,   ,      ?=)
[02:13] <leiar> pagansmind: cinerella
[02:13] <Yorokobi> Okay, who remembers the ubotu command to bring up the adept fix ?
[02:13] <Yorokobi> !ru | dik
[02:13] <ubotu> dik:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[02:14] <dik> !ru
[02:14] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[02:14] <vvv> how do i bring my sound icon back to to the system tray?
[02:14] <Chemicalvamp> i know what i did.. umm "deb [WWW]  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356/" is on line 1
[02:14] <Sesshoumaru> i swear.. i have the worst compatible computer for linux
[02:14] <dwidmann> when it comes to video editing, it's looking like Kdenlive has a ton of potential
[02:14] <Yorokobi> vvv, open kmix
[02:14] <vvv> ah ty
[02:15] <Chemicalvamp> and tis is the error E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[02:15] <avvalon>  Can someone tell me the fastest file transfer from Ubuntu to Windows from a remote Ubuntu box?
[02:15] <ubuntu> http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kubuntuandvistamf2.jpg
[02:15] <vvv> i enabled surround center and side sound. and still only front sound works
[02:15] <Chemicalvamp> so if i delete line 1 im all good again right?
[02:15] <mrand> dik: `/j #ubuntu-ru`
[02:15] <leiar> dwidmann: what about cinerella? I'm about to pick out a programme to use on my pupils. I thought cinerella was the one..
[02:15] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, what does the first line look like ?
[02:16] <dwidmann> thought its name was cinelerra .... I couldn't get it to compile last I tried ...
[02:16] <compilerwriter> I am getting a gtk warning about can't open a terminal on  "192.168.0.104:0.0".  Am I correct in believing that this is because my box is headless and I am having an xsession via XDCMP?
[02:16] <Chemicalvamp> well in the first field "deb" second is "http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356/" and i put edgy in distro field
[02:16] <vvv> is thier a link that would help me get my sound card working correctly
[02:17] <avvalon> Oh and security isn't important for my file transfer
[02:17] <soulrider> vv theres probably something on the forums, have you ever been there?
[02:17] <dwidmann> vvv: go into kmix and turn on "duplicate front"
[02:17] <soulrider> theres tons of help
[02:17] <leiar> dwidmann: Cinerella is a princess cinelerra is a video editing programme..
[02:17] <vvv> i have tried findins stuff on ubuntu forums but i couldn't find anything that helped me
[02:17] <compilerwriter> That and I am getting a warning about being unable to find X libraries.
[02:17] <vvv> most of the stuff i find is very outdated
[02:18] <soulrider> aww vv, that sucks
[02:18] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, it should be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main
[02:18] <dwidmann> leiar: and that means I was right? Hurray
[02:18] <vvv> yeah the two speakers tha work work nicely but only those 2 work =(
[02:18] <Chemicalvamp> i sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:18] <Yorokobi> avvalon, does the remote ubuntu box have SSH server?
[02:18] <dwidmann> vvv: did you try turning on the duplicate front switch in kmix?
[02:19] <avvalon> Yorokobi, yes but it's INCREDIBLY slow even on a cable connection on that end and a 3MB DSL connection on this end
[02:19] <leiar> dwidmann: did I say cinerella? Well, it's late in Norway. I'd better go to bed..
[02:19] <dwidmann> night then leiar
[02:19] <vvv> dwid is that the green light close to the top?
[02:19] <dwidmann> yeah
[02:19] <Yorokobi> vvv, sometimes you have to use alsamixer to enable the other channels
[02:19] <dwidmann> one of many
[02:19] <leiar> night
[02:20] <Yorokobi> avvalon, you could use scp or sftp (ssh ftp)
[02:20] <vvv> yeah thats the only one that works it was enabled by default, then i turned on the other ones surround, center, side
[02:20] <Chemicalvamp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13476/ is my sorces.list
[02:20] <vvv> but i stil only get sound through my front
[02:20] <Yorokobi> avvalon, the slowness is due to <1MB upstream on the remote end if it is using cable
[02:20] <avvalon> Arg.. that would explain the slow speed.
[02:20] <avvalon> Does that apply to any kind of transfer?
[02:21] <Yorokobi> It applies to most cable/dsl connections
[02:21] <Chemicalvamp> ok now adept will load
[02:21] <vvv> what does mux do? its at 0
[02:21] <avvalon> So even setting my particular directory as an FTP server isn't going to fix it?
[02:21] <Yorokobi> Eg. I have a 7MB down and 1MB up with my DSL (faster than the cable comcast offers in my area) :)
[02:22] <Yorokobi> avvalon, nothing is going to change it if the remote is on cable ... except getting a T1 or better
[02:22] <avvalon> LOL, alright thanks Yorokobi.. I guess I'm going to be here awhile on my 4 gig directory
[02:23] <Yorokobi> haha, yes, you will
[02:23] <vvv> are their any settings i have off that i should have on or the other way around?
[02:23] <Chemicalvamp> Yorokobi: i did fetch update, but there are no upgrades like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade says there should
[02:23] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, what exactly are you trying to do?
[02:24] <Yorokobi> upgrade to feisty or upgrade KDE to 3.5.6 ?
[02:24] <Chemicalvamp> update my edgy 6.10 to 7.04
[02:25] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main
[02:25] <Yorokobi> That should be the first line of the sources.list
[02:25] <N6REJ> anyone know how to "map" a smb folder so it always shows up mounted on the desktop?
[02:25] <soulrider> hey N6REJ, i got no idea
[02:25] <N6REJ> I wnat k3b to always store my mp3's on the server
[02:25] <N6REJ> hey soul
[02:26] <Sesshoumaru> does anyone know where to get a windows font pack? (for wine)
[02:26] <Yorokobi> N6REJ, add the mount + options to /etc/fstab
[02:26] <compilerwriter> How would one go about finding out where there X Libraries are kept?
[02:26] <N6REJ> Yorokobi: explain more pleasE?
[02:26] <soulrider> fstab works with smb shares ?
[02:26] <Yorokobi> !fstab
[02:26] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[02:26] <N6REJ> Yorokobi: these are smb shares
[02:26] <soulrider> compilerwriter: are you missing libraries ?
[02:26] <Yorokobi> Should work ... test it and see
[02:27] <N6REJ> weird, ok.
[02:27] <Chemicalvamp> Yorokobi: still no updates (cant do full upgrade)
[02:27] <Yorokobi> ahh maybe not
[02:27] <hitmanWilly> mount it as type samba
[02:27] <compilerwriter> No soulrider I don't think I am missing them.
[02:27] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: how?
[02:27] <soulrider> ok compilerwriter
[02:27] <philphoto> ok folks, I need someone with some powerful magic.
[02:27] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: smbclient shows them fine.
[02:28] <compilerwriter> soulrider I have come across a configure that can't find them.
[02:28] <N6REJ> philphoto: you change your nick again?
[02:28] <soulrider> compilerwriter: i guess if you know the name of one fo them you can just do a "locate <name>" and see where they are
[02:28] <philphoto> N6REJ:  I'm formerly philfo
[02:28] <Yorokobi> N6REJ, it should work if the network is started before the disks/partitions are mounted
[02:28] <soulrider> compilerwriter: maybe you just dont have them installed
[02:28] <philphoto> yeah, did another install.  clean, on a clean drive
[02:28] <N6REJ> lol figures.
[02:28] <soulrider> try to apt-get install them
[02:28] <hitmanWilly> in /etc/fstab where you normally put the filesystem type, just put samba
[02:28] <N6REJ> philphoto: cool, btw fiesty is great
[02:28] <philphoto> i did a bad thing
[02:28] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, *shrug*
[02:29] <soulrider> anyone here tried arch linux ?
[02:29] <philphoto> I loaded feisty & it was buggy as hell
[02:29] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: ok, so if I have a folder on the server named /home/mp3 the I put that in /etc/fstab?
[02:29] <icetbr> hello, is it possible to remove the Actions entry from kmenu?
[02:29] <N6REJ> hitman the servers name is "driftwood"
[02:29] <compilerwriter> I did apt-get install xlibs-dev and the others already.
[02:29] <N6REJ> philphoto: no way, it solved all my problems :D
[02:29] <philphoto> I tried to load up winxp on my old 40GB drive, but wasn't aware that location was where my master boot record was.
[02:29] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, I am the type to glance over instructions so I missed a key part of the upgrade when I tried it (both times :) ), are you following those instructions exactly?
[02:30] <N6REJ> philphoto: lol easy fix.
[02:30] <philphoto> so now I'm talking with you all from the live CD
[02:30] <philphoto> and need a walk thru
[02:30] <philphoto> if that's possible.
[02:30] <N6REJ> !grub | philphoto
[02:30] <ubotu> philphoto: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:30] <philphoto> thanks, back in a sec
[02:30] <soulrider> philphoto: whata re you having trouble doing ? maybe i can help
[02:30] <Chemicalvamp> In Adept Manager go to Manage Repositories and enable edgy-proposed.. what is this one?
[02:31] <philphoto> read my previous msg's
[02:31] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, it should be feisty-proposed
[02:31] <N6REJ> soulrider: he lost linux grub boot record because he installed xp after nix lol
[02:31] <Yorokobi> I think ... let me checj
[02:31] <soulrider> Chemicalvamp: you upgrading ?
[02:31] <Chemicalvamp>  have edgy
[02:31] <N6REJ> btdt
[02:31] <compilerwriter> soulrider so I should apt-get install what pray tell.
[02:31] <Yorokobi> check
[02:31] <philphoto> well, the best way to learn is to fail
[02:31] <Chemicalvamp> right now i have edgy 6.10 fully upgraded
[02:31] <dwidmann> philphoto: at what point did you load feisty? Doesn't seem too buggy right now :3
[02:31] <N6REJ> philphoto: yep, you may have to do it a couple of times to get it right phil
[02:31] <philphoto> not so much fail, but learn how to pull yourself out of the bad situations
[02:31] <soulrider> philphoto: recovering grub is rather easy, read hte guide, but if you dont understand something just ask us
[02:32] <philphoto> ok, give me a minute
[02:32] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, I'm wrong. edgy-proposed is correct
[02:32] <philphoto> tehn I'll talk with you about my feisty beef
[02:32] <dwidmann> philphoto: more specifically, to pull yourself out of the bad situations without reinstalling
[02:32] <philphoto> ha ha ha ha, I just realized what I said....
[02:32] <philphoto> exactly
[02:32] <vvv> anyone here happen to use a dell and a problem with audio?
[02:33] <dwidmann> vvv: my little brothers computer (formerly mine) had issues with audio ... it was some for integrated sound, used the intel8x0 driver
[02:33] <Chemicalvamp> no we're BOTH wrong.. look close it says "/"
[02:33] <hitmanWilly> its //<windows box name>/<shared folder name> <mount point> smbfs
[02:33] <dwidmann> what channel controlled what was really messy
[02:33] <Chemicalvamp> for amd64
[02:34] <vvv> i have intergrated sound also sigmatel though.. what did you do to fix it dwid?
[02:34] <Yorokobi> 64 ... oooooh. Small detail, that.
[02:34] <dwidmann> vvv: ran my head through a wall, built a new computer
[02:34] <philphoto> actually, I need to change the first IDE master in my BIOS if possible.  OR install GRUB on my drive where this build of Kubuntu is loaded
[02:34] <Chemicalvamp> how was http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kubuntuandvistamf2.jpg this done
[02:34] <vvv> haha, i figured i might as well just buy a new audio card
[02:35] <vvv> since i'm running off intergrated at the moment anyways
[02:35] <dwidmann> vvv: I'd recommend this as the least stressful thing to do
[02:35] <Yorokobi> okay Chemicalvamp, so you have "deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356/ ./" (notice the ./) ??
[02:35] <Chemicalvamp> yeah im already upgrading now
[02:36] <Yorokobi> so ... its working ?
[02:36] <vvv> its been killing me. thats what i'll do then.. its the only reason i go back to windows to watch movies and so on
[02:36] <dwidmann> Yorokobi: I can remember three things about that dist-upgrade process that really annoyed me :(
[02:36] <xnitex> okay i'm trying to update kde 3.5.5 to 3.5.6
[02:37] <xnitex> and i am at the  announcement page and i copy and paste deb with the link to it in terminal and it gives me a bash: deb: command not found return?
[02:37] <xnitex> >.<
[02:37] <xnitex> help?
[02:37] <Yorokobi> dwidmann, me too. Postfix, sasl2-bin, and adept being a poor replacement for dselect :)
[02:37] <Yorokobi> oh yeah, beryl
[02:38] <dwidmann> 1) You upgrade all of kde (150mb? ...) so you can upgrade everything again, woohoo 2) it runs apt-get update not once (ideal), not twice (gah), but three times!! 3) when it runs into problems it doesn't let you know, and when it reboots with those problems, you can run into things like say, kernel panics and other fun like I did :( Took me hours to fix that ....
[02:38] <Yorokobi> ouch, dwidmann. Your pain makes mine look like a carpet burn
[02:38] <philphoto> in konsole at the grub prompt I show grub file in two locations: hd1,0  and hd2,0
[02:39] <philphoto> any opinions on which I use?
[02:39] <jhutchins> vvv: Did you try that troubleshooting page?  Did anything there help?
[02:39] <dwidmann> Yorokobi: and I waited a week for the upgrades to download before I did it, that's what made it burn worse :(
[02:39] <jhutchins> philphoto: How did you arrive at this dual installation?
[02:40] <philphoto> I got greedy
[02:40] <jhutchins> philphoto: Doesn't seem like a very common problem, only solution I can imagine is to try each one and see what they do.
[02:40] <jhutchins> philphoto: Where is your kubuntu install?
[02:41] <philphoto> the one I've put the most development into is on /sdb
[02:41] <Yorokobi> fdisk, format, re-instaaaall, doo-dah, doo-dah
[02:41] <jhutchins> philphoto: Which is mostlikely hd2
[02:41] <philphoto> gotcha.
[02:42] <philphoto> worst case scenario, I boot up here again & switch.
[02:42] <jhutchins> philphoto: Yep.
[02:42] <philphoto> thanks, all
[02:43] <philphoto> now, my hd2 is not 1st IDE master though which is where the master boot record WAS before WinXP formatted then didn't complete the install.
[02:43] <pollyo> Do they have anything that will allow firefox to run activex?
[02:43] <philphoto> is there going to be a problem with that?
[02:43] <jhutchins> pollyo: Not that I know of.
[02:43] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, why would u want to do that?
[02:44] <Chemicalvamp> Yorokobi: !source-o-matic is what i needed for the adept fix
[02:44] <jhutchins> pollyo: That's a feature, by the way.
[02:44] <jhutchins> pollyo: Makes it much more secure.
[02:44] <Yorokobi> jhutchins, noscript ?
[02:44] <Yorokobi> :)
[02:44] <Yorokobi> pollyo, this is probably as close to getting activex as you can get: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[02:45] <pollyo> jhutchins: I wanted it for my sister.  She uses walgreens to do photos and on windows she was able to use an activex feature.
[02:45] <jhutchins> xnitex: Right, deb is not a comand.  What are you working from?
[02:45] <pollyo> Yorokobi: Yes.  I have that installed but the photos do not come up with the activex photo uploader that it installs.
[02:45] <xnitex> ubuntu edgy on kde session
[02:46] <jhutchins> pollyo: Possibly gimp or picassa would please her.
[02:46] <xnitex> i'm just did a request install on kubuntu-desktop
[02:46] <jhutchins> xnitex: I mean what instructions?
[02:46] <hitmanWilly> activex = please come crack my computer
[02:46] <pollyo> jhutchins: She is happy with the applications on the linux just not the web setup on walgreens without the activex.
[02:46] <xnitex> the Http://wiki.kubuntu.org
[02:47] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: They have an option to only allow activex from sites you trust.
[02:47] <Yorokobi> javascript = pdf = jpg = activex = make me vulnerable
[02:47] <Chemicalvamp> !botsnack
[02:47] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:47] <jhutchins> xnitex: c'mon, man, which page?
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: until someone gets you with a phishing site
[02:48] <xnitex> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[02:48] <jhutchins> xnitex: Basically you just add the 3.5.6 repo and do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.
[02:48] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: PHishing sites would they also get someone downloading a debian package?
[02:48] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: true...
[02:48] <xnitex> and i've also been having problems installing and compiling themes and such from http://kde-look.org
[02:48] <xnitex> but i'll get on to that after this is finished
[02:49] <philphoto> ok, GRUB has been placed somewhere that BIOS will see it.  wish me luck.  see   you all in a few
[02:50] <vvv_> i need to add something to  /etc/modprobe.d/options, but it says i don't have premission
[02:50] <vvv_> how do i get premission?
[02:50] <Yorokobi> prefix the command with sudo
[02:50] <vvv_> sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/options
[02:50] <vvv_> like that?
[02:50] <Yorokobi> yep
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> no..."kdesu"
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: but with a deb pkg, you have to actively install it whereas with activex all you would have to do is agree to run it
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> instead of sudo
[02:50] <vvv_> kdesu?
[02:50] <vvv_> ok i'll try that
[02:50] <Yorokobi> dochidemo
[02:51] <Yorokobi> both work
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> no..... not with x programs..
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> *X and KDE
[02:51] <xnitex> ok i did what you said after adding the respositories from the kubuntudisupgrade wiki page
[02:51] <Yorokobi> nosrednaekim, try it: sudo kate /something
[02:51] <Yorokobi> it works fine
[02:52] <Yorokobi> ... so long as you do it from konsole :)
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> hmm... you are right...I apologize...most KDE apps don't wok that way
[02:52] <xnitex> and during the dist upgrade preparing the upgrade it came back with an error during update and i dont understand why i'm using wifi and right next to the router but it gave me a failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[02:52] <oicu812> went from suse 10.1 to ubuntu 6.1 today
[02:53] <vvv_> kdesu worked for me.. i'm sure the other one would too =) gonna restart and see if it helped
[02:53] <Chemicalvamp> oicu812, wich do you now preffer?
[02:53] <xnitex> :[
[02:53] <Chemicalvamp> !ping
[02:53] <ubotu> pong
[02:53] <Yorokobi> !fortune
[02:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fortune - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:54] <oicu812> ubuntu
[02:54] <oicu812> finally i dont have to tar
[02:54] <oicu812> and compile
[02:54] <Chemicalvamp> lol i still like !botsnack most
[02:54] <oicu812> and have it not work
[02:54] <peanutb> oicu812, i esecially hated RPMs
[02:54] <hitmanWilly> oicu812, kinda sux when ur distro's in bed with the enemy, too
[02:54] <oicu812> i got redhat rps to work though
[02:54] <oicu812> oh jah enemy eh
[02:55] <pollyo> ! reaktivate
[02:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reaktivate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <oicu812> i thought that i had erased my back -up partition but i didnt even screw that up
[02:56] <oicu812> still got all my bsg episodes
[02:58] <forham> hi
[02:58] <forham> Yorokobi,
[02:58] <forham> you here
[02:58] <forham> Chemicalvamp,
[02:58] <Yorokobi> scary
[02:58] <Chemicalvamp> uh huh
[02:58] <forham> thanks for your help
[02:58] <forham> http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kubuntuvistaxglry1.jpg
[02:59] <forham> thats a screenshot
[02:59] <forham> of me in here :)
[02:59] <Yorokobi> Cool
[02:59] <Chemicalvamp> how is that done? lol
[02:59] <forham> ;P
[02:59] <forham> magic
[03:00] <Chemicalvamp> !magic
[03:00] <NightBird> whoa
[03:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about magic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:00] <NightBird> so is that one screen a copy of vmware running full screen with vista installed on it?
[03:00] <Chemicalvamp> ohh vmware
[03:00] <Chemicalvamp> !vmware
[03:00] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:01] <NightBird> or one of the other accelerations?
[03:01] <NightBird> er... not accelerations, but virtual machines
[03:01] <azmodean> exit
[03:02] <forham> NightBird, nice try but that doesnt explain the rotating cube huh :)
[03:02] <NightBird> forham: that's easy
[03:03] <NightBird> that would be beryl
[03:03] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with compiz?
[03:03] <forham> not when the host os is vista :)
[03:03] <NightBird> pollyo: I know of it.... but the only experience i have is with beryl which is a branch of it
[03:04] <NightBird> forham: I was assuming a guest os of Vista
[03:04] <pollyo> NighBird: Thanks.
[03:04] <forham> kubuntu yes
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> wait a sec... there was just some OSS project to port the rotating cube to vista
[03:04] <forham> kubunti as guest
[03:04] <azmodean> I'm trying to compile and install the latest stable kernel build on kubuntu, would this be the place to ask for help, or shoud I look for a kernel-oriented channel?
[03:04] <forham> that doesnt explain the cube tho NightBird
[03:05] <NightBird> hm.... maybe xgl in cygwin?  But I think that would only affect the X windows and not regular windows programs so that's out
[03:05] <forham> lol
[03:05] <NightBird> yeah, some open source version available for windows vista/xp that duplicates the same effect
[03:05] <forham> see not see easy afterall huh ;')
[03:05] <Yorokobi> azmodean, you want to compile your own kernel ?
[03:05] <forham> its still pretty kewl ;)
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah,,,
[03:06] <azmodean> well I've compiled it, but I seem to be running into an initrd issue
[03:07] <azmodean> my symptoms match an issue that seems to have come up with yaird a year or so ago, but the reccommended fixes don't do anything for me
[03:07] <forham> NightBird,  xgl is opensource :)
[03:07] <vvv> what do i do to make vlc play a movie as my x wallpaper
[03:07] <NightBird> forham: yeah, I know...
[03:07] <NightBird> forham: I also know that there is a cygwin implementation of it
[03:08] <forham> yeah but that one has issue like you said
[03:08] <NightBird> what, that it doesn't handle the windows desktop as well?
[03:08] <NightBird> of course not.... it's sitting ontop of the windows desktop as an extension
[03:09] <forham> yeah
[03:09] <NightBird> so it's some rotating cube effect for vista with kubuntu running in a virtual machine?
[03:09] <NightBird> hm...
[03:09] <forham> but stardock the company that made the vista ui is working on an xgl clone
[03:09] <NightBird> oh really
[03:09] <NightBird> I wonder if that's included in the package that I bought...
[03:09] <forham> yeah
[03:09] <forham> you are right nightbird
[03:10] <pollyo> Anyone running KVM?
[03:10] <forham> its an app that clones xgl on windows
[03:10] <forham> but not as rich of course
[03:10] <xnitex> okay how do i remove a link from the source line
[03:10] <vvv> does anyone know how to make vlc play a movie as my wallpaper?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> pollyo: tried... it didn't work..
[03:10] <xnitex> that i put into it and now it won't let me run adept
[03:10] <xnitex> >.<
[03:10] <pollyo> nonsrednaekim: Do you run qemu/kqemu ?
[03:11] <forham> nice emo of pinching eyes z
[03:11] <forham> xnitex,
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> pollyo: I was trying...
[03:11] <NightBird> forham: what's the name?
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> didn't work (at least for botting a cd
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> *booting
[03:12] <pollyo> nosrednaekim: I've had success with the qemu/kqemu.
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> ok..
[03:12] <pollyo> nosrednaekim: This machine can not run kvm.
[03:12] <xnitex> t not as rich of course
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:10:24]  <xnitex> okay how do i remove a link from the source line
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:10:25]  <vvv> does anyone know how to make vlc play a movie as my wallpaper?
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:10:29]  <nosrednaekim> pollyo: tried... it didn't work..
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:10:30]   Signoff: ubuntu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:10:30]  <xnitex> that i put into it and now it won't let me run adept
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:10:33]  <xnitex> >.<
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:10:58]  <pollyo> nonsrednaekim: Do you run qemu/kqemu ?
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:11:25]  <forham> nice emo of pinching eyes z
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:11:27]  <forham> xnitex,
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:11:51]  <nosrednaekim> pollyo: I was trying...
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:11:54]   Signoff: pauljw ("Leaving")
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:11:56]  <NightBird> forham: what's the name?
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:11:59]  <nosrednaekim> didn't work (at least for botting a cd
[03:12] <xnitex> [20:12:10]  <nosrednaekim> *booting
[03:12] <xnitex> shit sorry
[03:12] <NightBird> >_>
[03:13] <xnitex> :[[[[
[03:13] <xnitex> i was trying to paste the error gyahh
[03:13] <xnitex> E: Type 'http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:13] <xnitex> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[03:13] <xnitex> there?
[03:13] <NightBird> be more careful next time
[03:13] <xnitex> :[[[
[03:13] <xnitex> help?
[03:13] <intelikey> !help
[03:13] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:13] <Betzefer> any 1 knows how to put the network connection icon in the tray bar when connected ?
[03:13] <forham> the name NightBird
[03:13] <NightBird> xnitex: post your /etc/apt/sources.list in one of the paste sites
[03:13] <Betzefer> any 1 knows how to put the network connection icon in the tray bar when connected ?
[03:13] <vvv> xnitex i'm not sure what your reply was to my question
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> Betzefer: wlanassistant?
[03:14] <Betzefer> what ?
[03:14] <Betzefer> dont u know the 2 little computers in the taskbar ?
[03:15] <Betzefer> like in windows
[03:15] <Betzefer> ?
[03:15] <pollyo> nosrednaekim: You can boot from the actual CD drive or from an ISO file.
[03:15] <pollyo> nosrednaekim: Using qemu.
[03:15] <moby_python> Betzefer are you using a dial up connection?
[03:16] <intelikey> Betzefer which window ?
[03:16] <Betzefer> router
[03:16] <Betzefer> hmm the two little computers in the traybar
[03:16] <Betzefer> when u are connected to the web
[03:16] <Betzefer> just like windows
[03:16] <Betzefer> i have it on my backtrack cd
[03:16] <Betzefer> it uses kde 2
[03:16] <xnitex> okay i took out the repository entry i incorrectly typed in in kedit
[03:16] <xnitex> and its not letting me save it
[03:16] <Betzefer> as well
[03:16] <xnitex> ???
[03:17] <sandi> hi
[03:17] <intelikey> xnitex kdesu
[03:17] <sandi> does anybody knows http://www.crossmeta.com/crossmeta.html ?
[03:17] <xnitex> sorry - kedit unable to make a backup of the original file and just lets me click ok?
[03:18] <xnitex> i dont understand what u mean by kdesu?
[03:18] <intelikey> !kdesu > xnitex
[03:18] <Betzefer> no one knows how to ?
[03:19] <wolferine> Betzefer, knows what (just walked in) ?
[03:19] <Betzefer> nope
[03:19] <Betzefer> i asked a couple of minuts ago
[03:19] <Betzefer> u know the two little computers down in the taskbar ?
[03:19] <Betzefer> when u connect to the web
[03:19] <Betzefer> ?
[03:20] <Yorokobi> Betzefer, no
[03:20] <moby_python> It must be a specific program.
[03:20] <Yorokobi> I'm not familiar with that
[03:20] <Betzefer> like in windows
[03:20] <xnitex> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by an incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem?
[03:20] <wolferine> Betzefer, in windows or ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[03:20] <intelikey> wolferine he's wanting to minimize the connection app to the taskbar
[03:20] <Betzefer> kubuntu
[03:20] <wolferine> Betzefer, what about it?
[03:20] <Betzefer> how do i make it to apper
[03:20] <Betzefer> ?
[03:21] <Betzefer> cause i dont have it now
[03:21] <wolferine> Betzefer, why do you want it?
[03:21] <Betzefer> i have it when i use my kse backtrack cd
[03:21] <Betzefer> i like it
[03:21] <wolferine> Betzefer, u wireless?
[03:21] <Betzefer> instead of doing ifconfig
[03:21] <wolferine> Betzefer, u wireless?
[03:21] <xnitex> ok i just took out the line and it loaded up
[03:21] <Betzefer> nope
[03:21] <wolferine> hmm
[03:21] <Betzefer> lan
[03:21] <moby_python> try running kppp
[03:21] <xnitex> but when i try to upgrade the distro it gives me an error
[03:21] <wolferine> well, you can add a icon in your taskbar I think
[03:21] <wolferine> that will monitor your network
[03:22] <wolferine> right click the area, then see if you can add
[03:22] <wolferine> if you want something more advanced, there is lots out there
[03:22] <Betzefer> i donsent have an option that talks about networks
[03:22] <xnitex> an error during update menu pops up after it offers me to upgrade the distro
[03:22] <xnitex> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[03:22] <Betzefer> like what ?
[03:22] <xnitex> ??? :[[[
[03:22] <wolferine> Betzefer, on the app bar, or at the end?
[03:23] <wolferine> well, I use gDesklets, cause I have ubuntu
[03:23] <Betzefer> next 2 the clock
[03:23] <wolferine> but I am sure it will work in KDE as well
[03:23] <Betzefer> whats that ?
[03:23] <xnitex> help?
[03:23] <wolferine> google it man :)
[03:23] <xnitex> plz?
[03:23] <moby_python> Betzefer do you have kppp in your kmenu > internet> kppp?
[03:23] <wolferine> xnitex, one at a time please
[03:24] <Betzefer> ya
[03:24] <wolferine> Betzefer, its just not worth waste time on that one little thing, if you want more, google gDEsktlets
[03:24] <wolferine> its cool
[03:24] <moby_python> have you tried running that?
[03:24] <wolferine> not like Beryl cool, but its nice
[03:24] <Betzefer> that would help me ?
[03:24] <wolferine> xnitex, so you need to edit your sources.list
[03:24] <xnitex> no i'm past that part
[03:24] <wolferine> well, you need to edit it again
[03:25] <xnitex> okay with what and for?
[03:25] <wolferine> take out the us in us.archive
[03:25] <wolferine> get it from a different site
[03:25] <wolferine> or wait a day or two
[03:25] <xnitex> in every entry?
[03:25] <wolferine> just the one that matches the error
[03:26] <xnitex> and i got it from the wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[03:26] <xnitex> ?
[03:26] <xnitex> i've already passed that part
[03:26] <xnitex> i'm on the gzip error part?
[03:26] <xnitex> :[
[03:26] <wolferine> get it from a different site...
[03:26] <xnitex> yeah like my n00b ass knows where to get a diff site when thats from the official site
[03:27] <xnitex> :[
[03:27] <wolferine> i already told you
[03:27] <xnitex> a different site is what u told me
[03:27] <wolferine> take out the us
[03:28] <xnitex> in every repo entry in the list?
[03:28] <xnitex> :O
[03:28] <wolferine> just the ONE that gave the error
[03:28] <wolferine> i hate repeating myself
[03:28] <xnitex> dude okay you're still on my first prob
[03:28] <xnitex> and you aren't listening to me
[03:28] <wolferine> you should read what I wrote
[03:28] <xnitex> i finished that
[03:28] <xnitex> perhaps you should listen to what i write
[03:28] <wolferine> you tried another sire?
[03:28] <wolferine> site*
[03:28] <xnitex> no i took out the bad entry
[03:28] <intelikey> xnitex perhaps you should.
[03:28] <xnitex> from the jriddel one
[03:28] <wolferine> good luck
[03:29] <xnitex> i load adept
[03:29] <Yorokobi> xnitex, are you using Kubuntu 64 ?
[03:29] <xnitex> it runs now
[03:29] <xnitex> i am using edgy
[03:29] <xnitex> ubuntu
[03:29] <xnitex> with kde 3.5.5 running
[03:29] <xnitex> using adept and i do fetch updates
[03:29] <Yorokobi> why are you using the jriddel repo?
[03:29] <philfo1> oh goodness.
[03:29] <xnitex> i'm not i took it out
[03:29] <BluesKaj> I have no fglrx drivers on the system...they were wiped off ...need to reinstall ...tried to go back to an earlier date xserver-xorg but no luck ...any ideas ?
[03:29] <xnitex> after i do fetch updates it brings up upgrade wizard
[03:30] <xnitex> a new version of kubuntu is available click next if you wish to upgrade, and i do so
[03:30] <wolferine> ah, I think I understand you now
[03:30] <wolferine> but you still dont have to remove the entire line
[03:30] <xnitex> get to downloading and verying the upgrade took that works
[03:30] <philfo1> ok, I happened to get most of this back up & running, BUT I'm not on the install or hd that I want to be.
[03:30] <wolferine> and you werent clear on what EXACTLY the issue was
[03:30] <Yorokobi> BluesKaj, synaptic has a roll-back option you could try
[03:30] <xnitex> click finish to close adept package manager
[03:30] <xnitex> distrobution upgrade pops up
[03:30] <xnitex> updating kubuntu to 7.04
[03:31] <BluesKaj> no way to get to X ...I'm on TTY , Yorokobi
[03:31] <xnitex> on the preparing upgrade part when its fetching everything
[03:31] <xnitex> it comes up with an error
[03:31] <xnitex> a problem occured during the update, this is usually some sort of network problem, please check your network connection and retry
[03:31] <Chemicalvamp> same fetching file 115 of 855 at 50kb/s 5 hours remaining
[03:31] <xnitex> and i have done that 029203920390239023902390239 times already
[03:31] <xnitex> and i'm on it right now, so i dont see the problem being there
[03:31] <Yorokobi> BluesKaj, do you want to get the fglrx drivers or roll-back X or both?
[03:32] <xnitex> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) is what pops up
[03:32] <intelikey> !feisty | xnitex
[03:32] <ubotu> xnitex: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:32] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: i got the resolution fixed!
[03:32] <Sesshoumaru> thanks
[03:32] <xnitex> uhm okay?
[03:32] <Yorokobi> xnitex, replace the us with gb and try it again
[03:32] <xnitex> ok
[03:32] <BluesKaj> tried rolling back X , it wont' work without the fglrx drivers
[03:32] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, what did you do?
[03:33] <xnitex> gb.archive is the second entry in the repo list
[03:33] <xnitex> so its ALREADY there?
[03:33] <Sesshoumaru> err.. not sure.. chnaged the resolution with a different thing..
[03:33] <Sesshoumaru> but it worked cause of the cfgs
[03:33] <Yorokobi> BluesKaj, sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:34] <Yorokobi> xnitex, so remove the us one
[03:34] <xnitex> almost everyone of them is a us one
[03:34] <xnitex> ???
[03:35] <xnitex> so i should remove all of them is what you are saying besides the http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-propsed main one?
[03:35] <Yorokobi> dude, xnitex : your problem is with the edgy-proposed with us. Nuke it
[03:35] <Yorokobi> not the others
[03:35] <intelikey> sudo sed 's/us.archive/nl.archive/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:36] <Yorokobi> intelikey, too many changes there
[03:36] <xnitex> thats the only one that closely matches deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed restricted main multiverse universe
[03:36] <LINI_IX> hy can nybody help me pls my screen resolution changed to 640x480 and i cant change it back
[03:36] <Chemicalvamp> i might be of some help i JUST did this
[03:36] <xnitex> ??? and there is no us in front of it?
[03:36] <xnitex> :[[[
[03:37] <Yorokobi> xnitex, deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main is the ONLY edgy-proposed entry you need. The others (just edgy) don't change
[03:37] <pagansmind> humm
[03:37] <Chemicalvamp> are you doing genaric, i386, or am64?
[03:37] <Yorokobi> or need to be removed
[03:39] <intelikey> LINI_IX did you change the vidio driver ?
[03:39] <xnitex> ok so yeah
[03:39] <Chemicalvamp> xnitex: it should look like this deb - http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/ - / for i386 ! - seperates fields
[03:39] <LINI_IX> non it changed bi itself
[03:39] <xnitex> i took out that line i pasted
[03:40] <xnitex> and it still gives me the same error when fetching packages to upgrade kubuntu
[03:40] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with Reaktivate?
[03:40] <Chemicalvamp> !paste
[03:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:40] <Yorokobi> xnitex, well then. prefix it with #
[03:40] <Chemicalvamp> show it to me
[03:40] <xnitex> hrm?
[03:40] <ubuntu> Hello all.....I just installed Kubuntu and restarted and windows loaded and GRUB didn't show up...so I followed the various guides teling me to use the terminal to mess with grub, but when I use the find command it can't it can't find anything.
[03:40] <Chemicalvamp> show me the error
[03:40] <Chemicalvamp> use the website to paste it
[03:41] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, what are you using for find ?
[03:41] <ubuntu> terminal>grub   "find /boot/grub/stage1" is what the guide said to do
[03:41] <xnitex> ChemicalVamp : Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[03:41] <intelikey> LINI_IX   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    is how to redefine the vidio settings.  then restarting the xserver ( [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace]  )    should make it to where you can adjust the settings from within the gui app.
[03:42] <xnitex> hrm?
[03:42] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, try find / -name stage1 ... but /boot/grub/ is where stage1 is located
[03:42] <xnitex> i'm a cunt hair away from having no hair left or walking away because i dont understand?
[03:42] <xnitex> perhaps someone could rd with me to help fix this?
[03:42] <forham> Yorokobi, i still have the same issue :(
[03:42] <forham> let me start up kubuntu at the far side of the kube
[03:42] <forham> and ask again as ubuntu
[03:43] <Chemicalvamp> xnitex, type sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:43] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp no.
[03:43] <intelikey> kdesu   not sudo
[03:43] <Chemicalvamp> thats just what i did
[03:43] <intelikey> !kdesu | Chemicalvamp
[03:43] <ubotu> Chemicalvamp: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:44] <m4ntis> yoro:  I tried exactly that and I still got an Error 15: file not found
[03:44] <freeza> does anyone know how to make an alias to have my eth0 which is my wireless to go to wlan0?
[03:44] <xnitex> okay either way
[03:44] <xnitex> its opened now
[03:44] <intelikey> !worksforme | Chemicalvamp
[03:44] <ubotu> Chemicalvamp: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:44] <xnitex> now what chemical?
[03:45] <Chemicalvamp> open http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and paste it, click paste and copy the link here and show it to us
[03:45] <taz_> Hello. I'm new Linux user and I'm looking for a full transparency shell.
[03:45] <Chemicalvamp> i agree with intelikey . im new didnt know thanks intelikey
[03:45] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, try ' ls /boot/grub' is there a stage1 there ? i
[03:46] <m4ntis> well that may be a problem...."no such directory"
[03:46] <Yorokobi> taz_, if you have beryl up and running you can use konsole-alpha or tweak beryl to give the same effect to yukuake
[03:46] <m4ntis> maybe the isntall didn't work right
[03:47] <Chemicalvamp> but paste the sorces.list in that site and click paste, and give us the link
[03:47] <xnitex> dude i pasted the error in here chemicalvamp without having to use that
[03:47] <taz_> Yorokobi: Erf... Does beryl need lot of RAM?
[03:47] <xnitex> and i dont even know what syntax to use
[03:47] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, yeah. No /boot/grub is not good unless you're using a different boot loader (LILO ??)
[03:47] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp welcome.    saves trying to sort out the problems with permissions if you don't tell them to do things that will muck up perms.   less stress for all.
[03:47] <xnitex> IM A NEWBIE?
[03:47] <flaccid> i have permission denied/cannot access my optical drive, what should i do
[03:47] <Yorokobi> taz_, it needs a decent video card
[03:47] <intelikey> flaccid what is the fs on it ?
[03:47] <Chemicalvamp> xnitex, did you already add the repository for the update?
[03:47] <taz_> Yorokobi: I have ATI Radeon Xpress200M.
[03:48] <xnitex> what repository, CHRIST
[03:48] <Yorokobi> taz_, you can get a partial transparency with konsole
[03:48] <xnitex> I have all the repos in there
[03:48] <xnitex> The upgrade distro is already to the point of "preparing the upgrade"
[03:48] <flaccid> intelikey: it seems that only kde/hald has problems mounting it. doing a mount /media/cdrom0 works as a normal user
[03:48] <intelikey> taz looked at eterm ?
[03:48] <xnitex> and it is fetching and says fetching complete and brings up the error window
[03:48] <taz_> Yorokobi: yeah I know
[03:49] <taz_> intelikey: nop, only use Konsole
[03:49] <m4ntis> well, let me walk through what I did...I have a partition 20gb partition that I split into a swap and a ext2 partition, then I mounted them as the swap and /, where should I have mounted /boot?
[03:49] <xnitex> do you understand where i'm at now?
[03:49] <LINI_IX> hy i cant change my screen resolution pls help me
[03:49] <m4ntis> because I'm guessing that's what happened
[03:49] <Yorokobi> Eterm's transparency is similar to konsole's except that eterm has a harder time keeping up with changes to the desktop background
[03:49] <Chemicalvamp> wich repository did you use?
[03:50] <xnitex> the ones you all told me to
[03:50] <intelikey> flaccid sorry then i might be able to help with the other end but kde is more than i care to try to learn...      "dog too old to learn new tricks."
[03:50] <xnitex> ?
[03:50] <kai> Im using ktorrent I'm having a seeding issue
[03:50] <Chemicalvamp> i didnt get that error, but i used the correct repo
[03:50] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, /boot should be created with /
[03:50] <Chemicalvamp> there are three choices on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[03:50] <kai> I have all my ports opnede and everything is there anything I might be missing
[03:50] <xnitex> why dont you tell me again that i should delete every repo
[03:50] <xnitex> and just give me the repo i need thats the "correct" one
[03:50] <Chemicalvamp> you ony need one
[03:50] <xnitex> since i guess the upgrade distro
[03:50] <xnitex> and all that is WRONG
[03:50] <m4ntis> weird...is there any way to go about redoing that without messing with the entire install?
[03:51] <xnitex> since its already fetching
[03:51] <Chemicalvamp> notice the or:
[03:51] <xnitex> and all of that?
[03:51] <xnitex> hrm? whats the correct and ONLY repo i need in the list then chemical i'm sorry for being so frustrated
[03:51] <xnitex> its just really pissing me off
[03:52] <Chemicalvamp> whats your archeticture? pentium or amd
[03:52] <xnitex> pentium
[03:52] <Chemicalvamp> ok then you need i386
[03:52] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, what happens when you run sudo update-grub ?
[03:53] <xnitex> okay well i dont think any of you are understanding me
[03:53] <xnitex> i'm using adept
[03:53] <xnitex> and i only need to have the gb repo active
[03:53] <xnitex> and disable every other one?
[03:53] <xnitex> maybe that will work?
[03:53] <m4ntis> no grub directory found and the commands to install/create
[03:53] <ufo_> How can i know where is configurated the modem usb?
[03:53] <ufo_> tty0
[03:53] <ufo_> tty1
[03:53] <Sneak> hey guys, i'm trying to ./configure an app but i'm getting "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" not sure exactly what i'm missing
[03:53] <ufo_> etc etc
[03:54] <intelikey> !patience
[03:54] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:54] <Chemicalvamp> so your only added repository should be "deb (next field) http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356/ (next field) /
[03:54] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, how about sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub ??
[03:54] <flaccid> intelikey: i dunno br0. i think the problem is kubuntu but yeah
[03:54] <Yorokobi> Chemicalvamp, that's the AMD 64 repo, not the i386
[03:54] <LINI_IX> is there anybody who can help me here
[03:55] <Chemicalvamp> ack your right
[03:55] <m4ntis> Yorokobi:  didn't appear to do anything
[03:55] <xnitex> okay so which repo?
[03:55] <xnitex> aahaha
[03:55] <Chemicalvamp> deb (next field) http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/ (next field) /
[03:55] <xnitex> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ?
[03:56] <intelikey> flaccid ummm if you can mount it from the command line without issue but kde (kioslave) is not working for you... it's ubuntu yeah but it's in the kde department.  not in the kernel/fs/base_system   department.
[03:56] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, I don't know
[03:56] <Chemicalvamp> dont use http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/, you should use archectecture specific
[03:57] <m4ntis> yorokobi:  fair enough, do you think I should mess with trying to manually install grub?
[03:57] <intelikey> LINI_IX did you reconfigure xorg ?
[03:57] <Yorokobi> LINI_IX, when you click on Kmenu -> System Settings -> Monitor & Display then Administrator mode you should be able to change the resolution
[03:57] <Yorokobi> !fixres | LINI_IX
[03:57] <ubotu> LINI_IX: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:58] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, that's up to you. I'd back up everything you need first though :)
[03:58] <Sneak> Can anyone tell me what i'm missing to fix a "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" error when configuring apps
[03:58] <Yorokobi> Sneak, what are you trying to compile ?
[03:59] <Sneak> transKode specifically
[03:59] <esaym> what protocol and cipher uses the least amount of cpu cycles?
[03:59] <flaccid> intelikey: i don't think its that easily abstracted. ubuntu userland could be responsible because i have no problem on same box with freebsd and kde same kde version
[03:59] <flaccid> !cdrom
[03:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:00] <flaccid> !hald
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hald - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:00] <flaccid> ah well
[04:00] <esaym> I can only transfer to a box I have at 1mbs because the cpu is maxed....
[04:00] <Yorokobi> Sneak, have you read through http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Building_Transcode
[04:00] <flaccid> intelikey: i'll see if #kde can shed light thanks br0
[04:01] <m4ntis> oh well, I may try a reinstall, I have the time to blow :)  thanks anyway yorokobi
[04:01] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, if you do, create a 100MB ext3 partition specifically for /boot
[04:01] <intelikey> flaccid sorry i can't do anything to really help there...
[04:01] <Sneak> thats a different transcode Yorokobi :)
[04:01] <Sneak> i'm trying to configure transKode with a K
[04:02] <m4ntis> yorokobi:  is there a large difference between ext2 and ext3?
[04:02] <Sneak> I'm assuming i'm missing something in general to ./configure applications
[04:02] <Yorokobi> journaling v non-journaling
[04:02] <ufo_> why modem is busy on tty0-1-2-3
[04:02] <ufo_> ?
[04:02] <ufo_> help me!
[04:03] <Chemicalvamp> !helpme
[04:03] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:03] <Yorokobi> ufo_, tty1-12 is the local tty, not a modem
[04:03] <intelikey> !b-e | Sneak
[04:03] <ubotu> Sneak: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:03] <Yorokobi> a USB modem might be /dev/usb???
[04:04] <intelikey> !modem
[04:04] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[04:04] <Sneak> there we go, intelikey always comes through ;)
[04:05] <taz_> when I open Konqueror, I see /home and /media only. Where are /bin, /etc, /usr  etc etc?
[04:05] <tarelerulz> How would you set up a twm session?
[04:06] <Yorokobi> taz_, type /etc or /bin in the location bar
[04:06] <ufo_> if i use /dev/usb it can't find the directory!!!
[04:06] <ufo_> and so?
[04:06] <Sneak> yay for build-essential, I always forget to install that, thanks :)
[04:06] <taz_> Yokorobi : arf :/
[04:06] <tarelerulz> I just see home and media too
[04:06] <intelikey> Sneak np.
[04:07] <tarelerulz> when I go into the konqueror or any file manager
[04:07] <taz_> Yorokobi: thanks. Why can't i see them directly?
[04:07] <intelikey> !hidden | taz_
[04:07] <ubotu> taz_: Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[04:07] <Yorokobi> There you go ^^
[04:07] <flaccid> lol
[04:07] <taz_> Aaaahhhh.... moarf
[04:07] <flaccid> why did they introduce it then
[04:08] <intelikey> flaccid actually i think that was my fault....
[04:08] <Chemicalvamp> xnitex, is it working?
[04:08] <taz_> To keep noob away from sensitives files I guess
[04:08] <Yorokobi> that'd be my guess
[04:08] <intelikey> taz_ yes
[04:09] <flaccid> lol
[04:09] <flaccid> thats what fs perms/posix is for hehe
[04:09] <m4ntis> my partitions are acting weird now,  I have my 20gb partition, when I partition 18gb for the ext3 it won't let me manipulate the left over portion so I can't make a swap or a /boot partition
[04:09] <Yorokobi> and SELinux for those who go through the trouble
[04:10] <taz_> erf, can't open internet site with Konqueror now... damn
[04:10] <flaccid> i would of thought a firewall for ubuntu would of been a bigger priority
[04:10] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, make the small partitions first
[04:10] <intelikey> flaccid i was blabbering about how i had hidden the root fs by ching perms    chmod 751 /   while they were gathering ideas for edgy "before dapper released"   and lo and behold there it is....
[04:10] <intelikey> changing ^
[04:11] <flaccid> ah fair enough
[04:11] <intelikey> flaccid firewall ?   linux has one.  called iptables   built into the kernel
[04:11] <flaccid> i know
[04:11] <intelikey> did you mean a configurator ?
[04:11] <flaccid> ubuntu installer doesn't ask if you want it does it? ie. no firewall by default on ubuntu
[04:12] <intelikey> no firewall needed by default.   no services running
[04:12] <utnubuk> my screen saver isnt working, after a few minutes of no activity the screen displays weird colors and lines but moving the mouse fixes the problem real quick
[04:12] <flaccid> security engineers would disagree with you on that
[04:12] <Yorokobi> flaccid, not like RHEL/CentOS/FC5|6, no
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> flaccid: try lokkit
[04:12] <utnubuk> anybody else run into a similar problem?
[04:13] <flaccid> i'm just saying ubuntu has no firewall native/default
[04:13] <flaccid> i do know how to configure a firewall..
[04:13] <m4ntis> yorokobi:  doesn't resolve the problem the second chunk won't give me the option to edit it
[04:13] <intelikey> flaccid security engineers would disagree with making a root jr. account and calling it safer than a root password too...
[04:13] <m4ntis> would being a primary partion be the problem?
[04:14] <Yorokobi> m4ntis, maybe ... this is why I don't like the gui installer :)
[04:14] <m4ntis> haha, I'd be up for non-gui, but I'm a total newbie
[04:14] <intelikey> flaccid heh could do an iptables reject all  by default...  :)
[04:15] <Yorokobi> intelikey, that'd be bad
[04:15] <Yorokobi> :)
[04:15] <intelikey> Yorokobi it'd be safe
[04:15] <Yorokobi> but bad
[04:15] <Yorokobi> unless ESTABLISHED rules were in place
[04:15] <flaccid> yes ubuntu is not exactly a security related distro
[04:15] <taz_> Could someone tell me how to see hidden files and directories? (can't connect to any site, don't know why)
[04:15] <intelikey> safty is normally bad   in a very general sense
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> just unplug your network cable, thats the safest of all
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> :)
[04:16] <pagansmind> ls -a
[04:16] <Yorokobi> taz_ in konqueror or konsole ?
[04:17] <intelikey> hitman yep no box is safe if it's pluged in (or ran on battery)
[04:17] <taz_> Yorokobi: in konqueror
[04:17] <Yorokobi> taz_, click on View then Show Hidden Files
[04:17] <intelikey> taz_ in konqueror's menu ^
[04:17] <pollyo> intelikey: So solar power is secure? <grin>
[04:17] <intelikey> taz_ they are not hidden from the konsole tho
[04:18] <taz_> Yorokobi: grmf, I saw it earlier and I did't remember where
[04:18] <intelikey> pollyo as long as it's dark.  </grin>
[04:18] <pollyo> lol
[04:18] <m4ntis> I think I'm going to boot into windows and partition magic it
[04:18] <soulrider> hi everyone :)
[04:18] <m4ntis> thanks again yorokobi :)
[04:18] <Yorokobi> sorry m4ntis its not usually so difficult
[04:19] <m4ntis> yea, it was really easy last time, which is why I was so perplexed.  Oh well...I'm patient
[04:19] <Yorokobi> Of course, Yorokobi has more experience installing RHEL/CentOS than Kubuntu ... disk partitioning is more flexible with those installers
[04:20] <taz_> Free from windows.... yahaaaa!!!
[04:20] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi can you tell me how to compile a wifi driver?
[04:20] <Yorokobi> oy
[04:20] <intelikey> flaccid ubuntu is a little like M$ Windows (R)  in that respect.  by default, it's not nearly as secure as it can be.   the user is "expected" to add security measures that parallel their needs.
[04:20] <Sesshoumaru> i'm about free from M$   :)
[04:20] <pollyo> Do they have a voice recognition program for kde?
[04:20] <Yorokobi> What wifi card/chipset do you have Sesshoumaru ?
[04:21] <tarelerulz> I have the mplayer plugin for firefox and it does not play all the file mplayer covers
[04:21] <soulrider> taz_: being free form widnows is the best!!
[04:21] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: Belkin F5D7000.. i already have the correct driver. but i have to compile it
[04:21] <intelikey> being free from M$ and all non-free code   is the best.
[04:21] <soulrider> intelikey: its still really secure though IMHO
[04:22] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah its in oxymoron, however ubuntu goals are not really that clear
[04:22] <tarelerulz> It gives me the option to save it to the hard drive
[04:22] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, you've confirmed this with Belkin and/or the ubuntu wiki ?
[04:22] <taz_> soulrider: I agree! I just keep it for games
[04:22] <soulrider> taz_: like me :P
[04:22] <taz_> soulrider: ^^
[04:22] <soulrider> taz_: i actually have a 20 GB partition with win just to play Command and Conquer and Lineage II, but with college i dont really have time to play anyore
[04:23] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: what do you mean?... i have the source code for the correct driver
[04:23] <soulrider> right now im using an empty hard drive, which i installed arch on
[04:23] <elitehacker> hey i am having problems in decieding wich java files do i use on my "os" and PC?
[04:23] <soulrider> and im trying to figure out how to install xorg and GNOME now :P
[04:23] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, what I mean is, is that chipset supported by the 2.6 kernel?
[04:23] <taz_> soulrider: Huuu college.... I'm french, there's not same meaning here.
[04:24] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: er.. i haven't checked,...where can i find out?
[04:24] <soulrider> taz_: university, whatever, im busy! :P
[04:24] <soulrider> i wish irssi had a bit more colors :P
[04:24] <Carutsu> by any chance do anyone knows if there's a plugin for Konqueror for mutting flash apps?
[04:25] <intelikey> flaccid if i understand the origenal goal at all,  the basic plan is to put linux in the list of choices when you go to a site and start to dl something and it says   for   windows 9x,me click here   for windows nt,xp click here   or for mac click here          </end of list>       and in that respect the basic idea is "compeet with M$ for popularity"   which is not the best course imo.
[04:25] <soulrider> Carutsu: cant you right click them and disable sounds ?
[04:25] <taz_> soulrider : Oh ok.
[04:25] <elitehacker> hey which file do i download for my kubuntu Linux RPM or LINUX self extract. i am trying to donwload java
[04:25] <Carutsu> elitehacker: wait a second... never tryed
[04:25] <elitehacker> heres the link
[04:25] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, Kubuntu is not RPM friendly
[04:25] <soulrider> elitehacker: for the 999999999th time, read the friggin wiki!
[04:25] <elitehacker> http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp?locale=en&host=www.java.co
[04:26] <Carutsu> elitehacker: nope
[04:26] <elitehacker> wich one thou?
[04:26] <Carutsu> elitehacker: doesn't have that option
[04:26] <intelikey> but it's not my distro.  it's marks and his opention trumps mine.
[04:26] <elitehacker> i know its not RPM
[04:26] <intelikey> openion
[04:26] <elitehacker> but theres some there that are x68? when mine is x86
[04:26] <soulrider> intelikey: ubuntu is what got me into linux
[04:26] <Jucato> opinion
[04:26] <soulrider> lol Jucato
[04:26] <Jucato> :)
[04:26] <soulrider> how are you today Jucato  ?
[04:26] <pollyo> elitehacker: You still working on java?
[04:27] <elitehacker> yes
[04:27] <pollyo> elitehacker: Start up adept.
[04:27] <elitehacker> lol i got frost to install but it wont open
[04:27] <soulrider> pollyo: he wont read the damn wikis!
[04:27] <elitehacker> k
[04:27] <intelikey> Jucato will you never learn to speek intelikey'ish  ?
[04:27] <elitehacker> k i have it started
[04:27] <pollyo> soulrider: He will not even listen to suggestions.
[04:27] <soulrider> yeah
[04:27] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: what program can i compile this with?
[04:27] <Jucato> pollyo, elitehacker: unless you are on Feisty *do not* install Java using Adept
[04:27] <elitehacker> hey i have adept strated
[04:28] <elitehacker> whats feisty?
[04:28] <pollyo> elitehacker: :click VIEW
[04:28] <Jucato> !java | elitehacker
[04:28] <ubotu> elitehacker: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:28] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, where'd you get the driver from ?
[04:28] <soulrider> Jucato: this has been going on for the last 36 hours
[04:28] <intelikey> !feisty > elitehacker
[04:28] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: http://madwifi.org
[04:28] <soulrider> Jucato: we already gave him all sort of links to wikis about installing software, package management, but he wont listen to suggestions or anything
[04:28] <pollyo> elitehacker: Did you click View?
[04:28] <elitehacker> yes but the wont work
[04:28] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: i think i get a deb
[04:28] <elitehacker> yes
[04:29] <pollyo> elitehacker: : What were the options?
[04:29] <soulrider> ok, im gonna go try to install xorg, bbl! :P
[04:29] <elitehacker> why are u giving me links to beta version?
[04:29] <pollyo> elitehacker: What were the options when you clicked view?
[04:29] <taz_> because feisty is in beta version
[04:29] <elitehacker> on what i am just veiwing the first link about the ubuntu fourms
[04:30] <taz_> release is... 14 of april (?)
[04:30] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, that's an Atheros-based card. It should work out of the box (no compiling necessary)
[04:30] <pollyo> elitehacker: I was discussing adept.  I thought you said you had started it.
[04:30] <elitehacker> yeah
[04:30] <pollyo> elitehacker: Ok then... What are the options under the VIEW option?
[04:30] <elitehacker> i did but then i closed becuase u sayed i needed fiesty but i dont so u told me not to install java threw adept
[04:31] <soulrider> damn, xorg is onlt 23mB ?
[04:31] <pollyo> elitehacker: I never said feisty.  That was someone else in the room suggesting feisty.
[04:31] <elitehacker> ohh lol
[04:31] <pollyo> elitehacker: At the very least they were discussing it.
[04:31] <elitehacker> k i will start it again
[04:31] <intelikey> soulrider xorg is not that big is it?  you must mean x + it's deps ???
[04:31] <elitehacker> is it true there is no viruses for kubuntu?
[04:31] <soulrider> intelikey: yeah
[04:32] <soulrider> intelikey: a craplaod pf packages actually
[04:32] <pollyo> elitehacker: Stick to one concern at a time please.
[04:32] <elitehacker> lol i have it opend
[04:32] <soulrider> lol pollyo
[04:32] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, someone wrote a virus for linux years ago but it won't work now.
[04:32] <pollyo> elitehacker: Ok.  What did it show when you clicked VIEW
[04:32] <Jucato> pollyo: you can modify the sources.list from Adept. but do not install Java through adept. you won't be able to accept the license agreement in Adept
[04:32] <Jucato> just a note as you walk him through it. good luck
[04:32] <intelikey> Size: 3529126 soulrider
[04:33] <elitehacker> show package list show last download
[04:33] <intelikey> 3.5M
[04:33] <pollyo> Jucato: I just want to have him extend the Sources using the GUI
[04:33] <soulrider> we need to modify konversation so that when grammar starts getting terrible, it zaps people through their keyboards :P
[04:33] <elitehacker> show dpkg run
[04:33] <flaccid> ouch
[04:33] <flaccid> that hurt
[04:33] <soulrider> intelikey: thats tiny!
[04:33] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: i didn't get a good signal (like 30-40) with the router like a foot away
[04:33] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: you have to know something.. i'm a noob. (<_<)
[04:33] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: i didn't get a good signal (like 30-40) with the router like a foot away
[04:33] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: you have to know something.. i'm a noob. (<_<)
[04:33] <flaccid> sorry i'm testing a konversation zap beta
[04:33] <pollyo> soulrider: I could have used that when I was a kid.  You can not teach an old dog new tricks.
[04:33] <elitehacker> i have great grammar unlike some ppl its like giberish
[04:33] <xnitex> in adept distibution upgrade why does it say this error and how can i fix it? Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-proposed/Release Unable to find expected entry  [WWW] /binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[04:34] <pollyo> elitehacker: Click VIEW and then Manage Repositories
[04:34] <soulrider> elitehacker: thats what they tell you :P
[04:34] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, what was reporting the signal strength?
[04:34] <intelikey> that's it's size   plus a few k of modules for your kb and mouse and vidio card.  about 4M in all.
[04:34] <Sesshoumaru>  Yorokobi: i didn't get a good signal (like 30-40) with the router like a foot away
[04:34] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: you have to know something.. i'm a noob. (<_<)
[04:34] <elitehacker> alll rite i did
[04:34] <philphoto> any reliability problems with feisty?
[04:34] <pollyo> elitehacker: What happened after you did that?
[04:35] <elitehacker> its shows faded txt comment## inuvirse will not recive and all that
[04:35] <soulrider> intelikey: the binaries in the arch repos are 23mB total which i find 100% acceptable :P
[04:35] <soulrider> Jucato: indeed :P
[04:35] <flaccid> intelikey: heh i found the bug for cdrom i think. kde wants to mount as /media/dvdrecorder which does not exist
[04:35] <elitehacker> hey now what do i do pollyo
[04:35] <intelikey> flaccid hmmm is it actually a burner ?
[04:35] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, what was reporting the signal strength?
[04:35] <flaccid> yeah
[04:36] <soulrider> this is funny, i have an ATA hard drive, and its appearing as 'sda'
[04:36] <flaccid> hmm still say 'Permissions denied'
[04:36] <pollyo> elitehacker: Did a window titled Software Sources open?
[04:36] <Sesshoumaru> like 30-40 a foot away from the router
[04:36] <elitehacker> no..nothing
[04:36] <tarelerulz> in firefox I seem to have the option to change what it use to open file to out side program
[04:36] <intelikey> flaccid ;/
[04:36] <pollyo> elitehacker: Do you see "Software Sources" listed in the bar at the bottom of the screen?
[04:36] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, what reported the signal strength?
[04:37] <tarelerulz> I don't have the option to change it so all media is play with mplayer plugin
[04:37] <Sesshoumaru> i just told you
[04:37] <flaccid> intelikey: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=7nW&q=kde+%22permissions+denied%22+cdrom&btnG=Search
[04:37] <intelikey> i think i'll install debian so i can be leet.
[04:37] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi, he signal is crap
[04:37] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, you told me what the signal strength was but not what reported it
[04:37] <elitehacker> pollyo: cant we just share dsktop and u can see what i see instead of talking it would be alot simpler
[04:37] <utnubuk> my screen saver isnt working, after a few minutes of no activity the screen displays weird colors and lines but moving the mouse fixes the problem real quick
[04:37] <soulrider> intelikey: i jave a question, when someone pastes a link here on IRC, how do you copy it so you can open it up on links or some browser in another console ?
[04:37] <pollyo> elitehacker: It is bad enough I am attempting to spoon feed you.
[04:37] <Sesshoumaru> reported.. how do i find that out? lol
[04:37] <utnubuk> anybody else run into a similar problem?
[04:38] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, kwifimanager ? knetworkmanager? wlassistant?
[04:38] <taz_> Is it easy to change KDE env. for Gnome?
[04:38] <flaccid> intelikey: maybe this http://archive.kanotix.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=125156 but tis a dif distro
[04:38] <pollyo> elitehacker: If you want me to login to your desktop you are going to have to change your screen name.
[04:38] <intelikey> soulrider gpm.
[04:38] <soulrider> intelikey: youre more than leet :P you dont have xorg (or was that comment sarcastic?)
[04:38] <elitehacker> pollyo: why?
[04:38] <intelikey> flaccid k looking.
[04:38] <elitehacker> pollyo: cuz it says hacker?
[04:38] <pollyo> elitehacker: Elitehackers do not have people remote login to configure the system.
[04:38] <Sesshoumaru> i have kwifimanager
[04:39] <intelikey> soulrider no it's not crsksm
[04:39] <utnubuk> lmao
[04:39] <soulrider> pollyo: i dont think he is either elite, nor hacker
[04:39] <Sesshoumaru> the card isn't currently in right now
[04:39] <elitehacker> pollyo: i know but i wouldnt do anything if i cant even install java if it was windows then that would be diff.
[04:39] <soulrider> intelikey: uhm, ok
[04:39] <soulrider> elitehacker: you cant install anything because you dont want to read anything or listen to anything
[04:39] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, how is it you're getting a signal strength with no wifi card in use?
[04:40] <intelikey> and no login either.   "that doesn't mean just autologin,  it means that login is not at all possable piriod"
[04:40] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: LOL.. i just took it out like 5 mins ago
[04:40] <soulrider> besides, your "you copy windows" and "im only gonna use linux for a week, then go back to win" comments werent helpful at all.
[04:40] <elitehacker> pollyo: yeah true but since i know windows to good i think of linux as windows (BAD IDEA) and rush evreything
[04:40] <Yorokobi> oh
[04:40] <pollyo> elitehacker: Ok.  Click VIEW and then Manage repository and tell me what it does again?
[04:40] <elitehacker> it shows lists of comments
[04:40] <elitehacker> comment## followed buy random things
[04:41] <pollyo> elitehacker: Tell me what is on the bar above View.
[04:41] <elitehacker> i can add a new repo or reset or apply on the bottom
[04:41] <intelikey> flaccid heh you did see the  "be sure there is nothing in fstab about the cdrom" didn't you ?    just a thought.
[04:41] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, so aside from the reportedly low signal strength, your wifi works ?
[04:42] <elitehacker> it says FETCH UPDATES or PREVIEW CHANGES and the rest is faded out so i cant click on it
[04:42] <intelikey> i have three boot loaders installed.
[04:42] <pollyo> elitehacker: Look above those things...
[04:42] <Jucato> pollyo: he's seeing the old (pre-feisty) manage repositories window
[04:42] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi, uhh no
[04:42] <pollyo> elitehacker: Above "Fetch Updates" , "Preview Changes"... That is where Adept, Edit, View is....
[04:42] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi, thats why i wanted a clean driver
[04:42] <elitehacker> yeah
[04:43] <pollyo> elitehacker: I asked what was above view and you told me "Fetch Updates"
[04:43] <elitehacker> pollyo: so now what
[04:43] <pollyo> elitehacker: That is below View.
[04:43] <elitehacker> ohhh
[04:43] <elitehacker> no
[04:43] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, not working at all or not working well enough ?
[04:43] <elitehacker> nothing just the title bar
[04:43] <pollyo> elitehacker: You are beyond my help.
[04:43] <pollyo> elitehacker: You will have to find a fellow Elite hacker.
[04:44] <pollyo> elitehacker: Good day and Good luck.
[04:44] <elitehacker> it shows the title bar ADEPT MANAGER
[04:44] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi: i never got internet connection yet it did say it was connected
[04:44] <pollyo> elitehacker: Friend.  I can not help you.
[04:44] <soulrider> i dont know why, but i feel like i already seen thise lines before pollyo
[04:44] <Jucato> looks like someone gave up too...
[04:44] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, skip adept. open konsole and sudo apt-get install synaptic and use that (or use dselect in the terminal)
[04:45] <pollyo> soulrider: I didn't believe in ADD medication before today.
[04:45] <elitehacker> wont work tried
[04:45] <Jucato> yay! another one to add in to the confusion :)
[04:45] <soulrider> pollyo: theres ADD medication ?
[04:45] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, remind me ... edgy or feisty ?
[04:45] <soulrider> my english teacher said i had ADD, and she was kidna right
[04:45] <Yorokobi> or dapper?
[04:45] <pollyo> soulrider: ADHD and ADD medications.
[04:45] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi, edgy 6.10
[04:45] <soulrider> whats ADHD ?
[04:45] <Jucato> pollyo: fwiw, what you were looking for, the "Software Sources" window, is only something that is Feisty.
[04:45] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah thats what i'm trying now after i get off the phone
[04:45] <Jucato> and since he's on Edgy, he won't see it
[04:45] <elitehacker> u sayed what was above VIEW??? obv the title bar??? like what else is supposed to be there?
[04:46] <pollyo> soulrider: I couldn't tell you what they stand for exactly.
[04:46] <soulrider> k\
[04:46] <intelikey> Jucato do my eyes decieve me ?    are you heckeling ?
[04:46] <elitehacker> is there a rainbow i click on and java installs?
[04:46] <pollyo> Jucato: Really...
[04:46] <flaccid> intelikey: bbl i'll let you know
[04:46] <intelikey> flaccid k
[04:46] <Jucato> pollyo: yes. and I think I've mentioned that 2x already...
[04:46] <Yorokobi> Sesshoumaru, is knetworkmanager installed?
[04:46] <pollyo> Jucato: OH my... My comment stands... He needs an Elite hacker type to help him.
[04:47] <Jucato> soulrider: Attention-deficit Hyperactivity disorder btw
[04:47] <soulrider> pollyo: is that what you call miracles ?
[04:47] <pollyo> Jucato: Thank you.
[04:47] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi, no
[04:47] <bogdan> hello, do you know when Feisty will be officialy released, I know that it's in April, but I don't know the day, thnks
[04:47] <soulrider> Jucato: i SO have that! :P the only thing i can concentrate on is my computer, and not for that long actually
[04:47] <Jucato> bogdan: schedule says April 19. but 20+ might be a good estimate too
[04:47] <elitehacker> i only got this installed 2days ago i obv dont know what everything is i use this as a backup os
[04:47] <intelikey> he is heckeling....  tisk tisk
[04:47] <Jucato> soulrider: yeah I think I have that,... ooh pretty wallpaper
[04:48] <soulrider> Jucato: i dont realize, but someimtes i keep opening and closing the same window
[04:48] <Sesshoumaru> Yorokobi, i'll install knetworkmanager now
[04:48] <bogdan> Jucato: thanks
[04:48] <soulrider> like, i look at my buddy list from kopete, close it and re open it agan just to read it
[04:48] <Jucato> :)
[04:49] <soulrider> like 2 years ago my teacher said i had ADD, i kind of ignored her, but now when i try to study i realize how right she was
[04:49] <soulrider> intelikey: i dont driver
[04:49] <soulrider> drive*
[04:49] <soulrider> but thats mainly because i cant see crap
[04:49] <elitehacker> so why do i open VIEW manage reposistories in adept when i need java? :s
[04:49] <soulrider> and because i know im allways too distracted to drive
[04:50] <intelikey> soulrider good on ya then.
[04:50] <intelikey> soulrider cause i walk,  and i really don't like getting ran over.
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> elitehacker: gee, probably to enable the repositories you need to install java.
[04:50] <soulrider> intelikey: i just take the bus everywhere, although i tend to miss osme busses ebcause i cant rea the numbers until its too late :P
[04:50] <soulrider> int i walk a lot too
[04:51] <elitehacker> yeah so why did pollyo tell me to do that then u tell me help" that doesnt help then i get comments form otehr ppl tell the first person that ur help was no good :S COnfusion
[04:51] <soulrider> !installing | elitehacker
[04:51] <ubotu> elitehacker: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[04:51] <soulrider> !repos | elitehacker
[04:51] <ubotu> elitehacker: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:51] <soulrider> after you read all that, ill help you
[04:51] <intelikey> ok we're off topic and jucato will be....     well, Jucato  :)
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> not exactly the most descriptive of nicks, i take it?
[04:52] <soulrider> lol intelikey, he was offtopic himself though
[04:52] <Jucato> elitehacker: because you've already been given instructions to read and follow. if you read and follow them carefully, you will have already solved your problem
[04:52] <intelikey> ssshhh
[04:52] <intelikey> would have
[04:53] <soulrider> hahaha intelikey, youre gonna piss him off :P
[04:53] <Jucato> :P
[04:53] <intelikey> :)
[04:53] <sketchb0x> im trying to run ubuntu on a laptop as a server, how do i turn off the suspend feature so i can close the laptops lcd
[04:53] <soulrider> Jucato's grammar is failing!!
[04:53] <Jucato> nah. he already did that last month
[04:53] <intelikey> mess with my spelling
[04:53] <intelikey> :)
[04:53] <Jucato> oh, it's a new month!
[04:53] <sketchb0x> any idears would help alot.
[04:53] <sketchb0x> im almost done!
[04:53] <elitehacker> yes but ppl give me help rite i follow it blah blah blah i read and stuff then someone says in order to do that uneed java WELL NO DUH i need java in the first place so then i follow them in then i get lost in between
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> elitehacker: i told you you needed the repositories to INSTALL java.  read what people tell you.
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> sketchb0x: see the little green battery in the tray? click it - bottom option - when lid is closed - do nothing.
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> again, not a descriptive nick :\
[04:54] <intelikey> sketchb0x there should be info on the forums about how to enable it    the reverse might work.
[04:54] <soulrider> lol Daisuke_Ido
[04:54] <sketchb0x> its ubuntu-server
[04:54] <sketchb0x> so i have no gui
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> sketchb0x: oh, you need to edit powernowd settings then.
[04:55] <soulrider> sketchb0x: does it suspend or you ahvnt tried it, also, why would you use a laptop as a server ?
[04:55] <intelikey> sketchb0x is powernowd  what watches that ?
[04:55] <intelikey> err LeeJunFan ^
[04:55] <vit_> hey como hago para correr un editor de php?!!
[04:55] <sketchb0x> its an old laptop
[04:55] <elitehacker> k i red the link u gave me
[04:55] <sketchb0x> small footprint
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> !es | vit_
[04:55] <ubotu> vit_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:55] <soulrider> !es | vit_
[04:55] <sketchb0x> ampache music server
[04:55] <sketchb0x> its gonna be hiding behind my entertainment center
[04:55] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: well, maybe I thought it was installed on feisty but I'm not seeing the usual configs.
[04:56] <sketchb0x> :)
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> sketchb0x: what version of ubuntu you using?
[04:56] <Yorokobi> sketchb0x, I'll sell you my dual PIII 700MHz 1U server :)
[04:56] <elitehacker> now how do i enable java in the main res. when a java site is not in the screen?
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: doh, I was thinking powersaved. heheh
[04:56] <utnubuk> omg
[04:56] <sketchb0x> how much yorokobi?
[04:57] <sketchb0x> and what are its dimensions?
[04:57] <elitehacker> k i am installing updates
[04:57] <sketchb0x> im using dapper
[04:57] <sketchb0x> btw
[04:57] <Daisuke_Ido> i think i just peed myself
[04:57] <Yorokobi> sketchb0x, 1U high, full length (not by Dell's standard)
[04:58] <elitehacker> i am using adept i went to main repos. and enabled the ones with dapper now i clicked fecth updates hopefully this will auto update java for me
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> elitehacker: did you read the material posted for you?
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> sketchb0x: trying to remember dappers power control, I think the standard on that was powersaved, see if you have /etc/powersaved - in there you'll find the configs you need to edit for acpi events.
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> because...  you're just not getting it.
[04:59] <elitehacker> Daisuke_Ido: what materials the links then yes i did....
[04:59] <sketchb0x> ive got an /etc/acpi
[05:01] <utnubuk> my screen saver isnt working, after a few minutes of no activity the screen displays weird colors and lines but moving the mouse fixes the problem real quick
[05:01] <pollyo> !xen
[05:01] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[05:01] <utnubuk> anybody else run into a similar problem?
[05:01] <pollyo> Anyone using Xen?
[05:01] <mortici> how do i add my self to a group?
[05:02] <taz_> utnubuk : maybe ur graphic card does not support ur screen saver
[05:03] <emostar_> well.
[05:03] <utnubuk> taz_: i dont think thats it, if i click on 'test' the screensaver works fine
[05:03] <emostar_> i installed feisty kubuntu
[05:03] <ffffu> is there a GUI app for resizing partitions etc?
[05:03] <emostar_> and when it mounts my ntfs directories it complains that its not ntfs 3 and turns off sparse file creation
[05:03] <emostar_> !_! how can i fix that
[05:03] <soulrider> ffffu: try qtparted or gparted
[05:03] <utnubuk> taz_: i even set the time to just one minute so i could make sure it works, and nothing happens when one minute is up.
[05:04] <taz_> utnubuk : can't help you :/
[05:04] <ffffu> is it possible to resize my ext3 partition?
[05:04] <sketchb0x> LeeJunFan: how much?
[05:04] <soulrider> ffffu: i think si
[05:04] <utnubuk> taz_: cool thanks for offering up some advid
[05:04] <soulrider> so*
[05:04] <utnubuk> advice*
[05:04] <sketchb0x> LeeJunFan: and how much ram?
[05:05] <elitehacker> any one have x-link kai working on linux?
[05:06] <elitehacker> hey does anyone have X-LINK kai'd on Kubuntu?
[05:07] <utnubuk> elitehacker: no.
[05:08] <elitehacker> have u heard of it?
[05:10] <elitehacker> how old is every one in here?
[05:10] <elitehacker> im prb the youngest one lmao
[05:10] <Daisuke_Ido> that question is completely irrelevant
[05:10] <elitehacker> 14!!!
[05:10] <peanutb> sorry i win, im 13
[05:10] <soulrider> intelikey: i tried installing gentoo, but almost died :P
[05:11] <elitehacker> yeah notice how its only a year off lol IM FROM CANADA
[05:11] <pollyo> I see they did change adept a bit now that I am looking at how to change repositories on the older version.
[05:11] <soulrider> intelikey: right now im installing arch, theres a hard drive i need to test so i figured i would try somehting new while on it
[05:11] <elitehacker> seee ppl flip out on me for something abouta program when the tell me directions to a program that i dont have
[05:11] <intelikey> elitehacker 345 * 25 = 8625    so every one here is  8625 years old or there about.
[05:11] <PersonA> Newbie to linux/ubuntu in general,. Looking for a lil help with an nvidia gefore 5200 video card. Installing of the updated drivers. Already downloaded. And running america's army. Already downloaded and installed.
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> no one "flipped out on you"
[05:12] <elitehacker> intelikey: Uhhhh???? what
[05:12] <Chemicalvamp> !ati
[05:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:12] <elitehacker> well not flipped out but like gave up and i got frusturated
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> you can't follow simple directions.  enable universe.  install java.
[05:12] <intelikey> soulrider sounds like a plan man.
[05:13] <elitehacker> yeah but they wont give me rite links or eplain stuff that works on my PC and OS not theres
[05:13] <PersonA> ty for the help url.. reading
[05:13] <taz_> I'm only 10100 years old
[05:13] <pollyo> elitehacker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:13] <pollyo> Can't get more specific then that.
[05:13] <soulrider> intelikey: youre gonna try arch out ?
[05:13] <soulrider> the base CD doesnt even come with xorg
[05:13] <elitehacker> i have it now that i followed myy instructions
[05:13] <soulrider> perfect for you :P
[05:14] <intelikey> soulrider no.  dial up.   not likely that i'll be "trying anything out"    :)
[05:14] <soulrider> im 10010 years old
[05:14] <elitehacker> wow i gotta go to bed i have school in the morning
[05:14] <soulrider> intelikey: youre on dial-up?! really?! isnt it really expensive?
[05:14] <PersonA> I must say.. I love Ubuntu over windoze already !
[05:14] <soulrider> PersonA: damn right!
[05:15] <taz_> Arf we can manage repo in adept.... always edit sources.list with kate -_-
[05:15] <pollyo> PersonA: I enjoy it though there are some difficulties that I am encountering.
[05:15] <PersonA> I'm quite sure you will overcome those issues however pollyo !
[05:16] <pollyo> PersonA: I doubt it (at least in the near future)
[05:16] <PersonA> I am in learning phase now.
[05:16] <PersonA> Ah
[05:16] <pollyo> PersonA: Somethings that Linux just doesn't have support for as of yet.
[05:16] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: what difficulties?
[05:16] <soulrider> PersonA: yeah, but youll get used in no time
[05:16] <PersonA> No doubt
[05:16] <pollyo> PersonA: :Thought overall I am VERY pleased with Linux.
[05:16] <PersonA> Same here pollypo
[05:17] <soulrider> <3 Linux
[05:17] <PersonA> Tons more stable for me. And easier to install
[05:17] <Daisuke_Ido> there's nothing i can do in windows (that i would normally do anyway) than i can't do in linux
[05:17] <soulrider> yeah!
[05:17] <soulrider> when i isnatll linux
[05:17] <PersonA> As cheesy as it sounds. I mainly wanna chat and surf. And play AA
[05:17] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: The main problem being lack of support for a Lexmark X6170.  Lexmark makes Linux Driver Development Kit but no one appears to make use of it.
[05:17] <soulrider> i dont need to install 30 additional programs just to do basic stuff
[05:17] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[05:17] <soulrider> i dont have to worry about spy/malware, viruses an stuff like that
[05:17] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, lexmarks aren't the nicest printers in linux
[05:17] <soulrider> its stable, secure, doesnt get slow with time
[05:18] <PersonA> Yeah soulrider... that's my main reason i liked ubuntu
[05:18] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Go out and pick up a printer that you want to use for windows, a video card, an IPOD, without checking compatibility lists and you will run into trouble.
[05:18] <soulrider> its just easy!
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> but to be perfectly honest, you're better off buying an HP or something.  the ink tends to be cheaper, and better upport :)
[05:18] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Will not run into trouble.
[05:18] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Though on linux you have to check lists.
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i didn't check any on this one
[05:18] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to install something with checkinstall but I get this error "dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `/var/tmp/iAAJPAGPrXfmDSqfPQJAS/package/DEBIAN/control' near line 8 package `trunk':newline in field name `1.5'"
[05:18] <soulrider> actually, i can say my hardware works better in Linux than in windows
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i just got *really* lucky
[05:18] <soulrider> and its the truth, im not exagerating
[05:18] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Don't get me wrong.  I think Linux is amazing,
[05:19] <soulrider> elitehacker os finaly gone!
[05:19] <Daisuke_Ido> like my wireless.  i just happened to have replaced a broadcom with an rt2500 about 3 weeks before going to linux
[05:19] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: I hear people say that but I noticed they have driver kits.  I never see people reference how difficult the development kit is.,,, Only that they do not have great support.
[05:19] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider: thank god.
[05:20] <soulrider> yeah
[05:20] <soulrider> he should be spanked
[05:20] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: . o 0 The room cheers...
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> yeah
[05:20] <taz_> Is someone get a Broadcom wlan car and using aircrack?
[05:20] <Daisuke_Ido> may i speak very frankly and not at all flatteringly
[05:21] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: When Linux finally gets mass driver support it will be great!
[05:21] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Well amazing... It is great now.
[05:21] <soulrider> my audio works a lot better in linux without drivers than it does in windows with drivers that only work for SP2
[05:21] <soulrider> and my webcam rarely works in windows, it works out of the box in linux
[05:22] <pollyo> soulrider: I have a HP 712c that prints better in windows.  The linux drivers just aren't that great for this printer.
[05:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i love the fact that more and more people are migrating to linux to get away from windows.  but i had a hard enough time explaining how to use the start menu to these people in windows, explaining the repositories and such is a nightmare and makes lesser men cry
[05:22] <ric> good night
[05:22] <soulrider> lol Daisuke_Ido
[05:22] <taz_> lol
[05:23] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: <grin>
[05:23] <ric> buenas
[05:23] <Daisuke_Ido> feisty is a step in the right direction with having universe enabled by default
[05:23] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: Repositories are much easier then when I looked at Linux 10 years ago...
[05:24] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: oh god yes, but still not ready for the influx of technologically paralyzed "
[05:24] <Daisuke_Ido> typical windows users
[05:24] <Daisuke_Ido> meh, dumb enter key
[05:24] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: It has come a long way and needs a good amount more done.  Great work so far though.
[05:24] <Daisuke_Ido> as i see it now, linux serves two groups extremely well
[05:25] <Daisuke_Ido> 1) the tech savvy, that goes without saying.
[05:25] <taz_> savvy?
[05:25] <Daskreech> saviie?
[05:25] <pollyo> taz_: It is a tech term. <grin>
[05:26] <VR_> savvy is right
[05:26] <Daskreech> Daisuke_Ido: repos aren't that hard once you understand open source
[05:26] <Daisuke_Ido> 2) the completely clueless.  those that see a computer as the web and email (say, grandma.)
[05:26] <Daskreech> since most people understand support
[05:26] <taz_> Ok. I'm here to : 1) find some help 2) practice my english ^^
[05:26] <Daskreech> taz_: i can help with one
[05:26] <Daskreech> unless it's pyshlogical help
[05:26] <Daskreech>  i need that too
[05:27] <taz_> lol
[05:27] <Daisuke_Ido> those in the middle -- the windows "knowledgeable" -- can figure out just enough in linux to be dangerous and likely hose their entire system.
[05:27] <pollyo> I wouldn't know without my spell checker.  BTW that is one thing I LOVE about Kubuntu... Just about everywhere I type in KDE it is spellchecking for me.
[05:27] <Daskreech> pollyo: you are going to freak over sonnet
[05:28] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: I'm n the dangerous realm... <grin>
[05:28] <pollyo> Daskreech: Sonnet?
[05:28] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: but you're not.  you ask for help *before* doing something stupid :P
[05:29] <pollyo> Daskreech: Thanks... I'm not sure if that is Luck or some type of skill on my part.
[05:29] <Daskreech> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/01/1935238
[05:29] <Daskreech> Linux.com | KDE 4's Sonnet will turbocharge language processing for pollya
[05:30] <pollyo> Daisuke_Ido: What gets me is something like Yahoo messenger.  Yahoo started out developing a messenger that works for Linux then they drop the ball with future versions.
[05:30] <pollyo> Daskreech: Will it check my grammar?
[05:30] <pollyo> Daskreech: I need auto correction on that sometime.
[05:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i can see how it would go either way.  90% of users are on windows, and it's free
[05:31] <pollyo> Daskreech: Checking it now.
[05:31] <Daisuke_Ido> writing it to be portable would be the smart thing, but nooooo
[05:32] <pollyo> Wow... Sonnet ...
[05:33] <pollyo> When will that be out?
[05:33] <taz_> question : would x-chat work with KDE?
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> taz_: using it in KDE right now
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: yahoo messenger's new versions are FOSS?
[05:34] <Daskreech> intelikey: yahoo messenger is foss?
[05:34] <taz_> hitmanWilly: thanks. :)
[05:34] <intelikey> taz_ the question is not will "blah" work on my desktop environment,  the question is will it work on this system  yes it will
[05:34] <taz_> I read somewhere xchat need GTK+ lib
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> taz_: yes but that doesn't mean you can't use it in kde
[05:35] <Daskreech> pollyo: kde4
[05:35] <vit_> soulrider solo una pregunta y no mas.... como hago para instalar el netbean ya lo tengo descargado ahora debo ejecutarlo pero no se como... solo esa pregunta no mas...
[05:35] <taz_> and I don't know if gnome lib and KDE env. can works together  (I'm not sure i'm clear)
[05:35] <Daskreech> 1es | vit_
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> !es | vit_
[05:35] <ubotu> vit_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:35] <Daskreech> !es | vit_
[05:35] <intelikey> Daskreech and Daisuke_Ido i wasn't talking about some new "yahoo messenger"   just the idea in particular.   made for GNU/linux implies  FOSS  does it not ?
[05:35] <Daskreech> damn I technically won
[05:35] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: nvidia's drivers say no
[05:35] <Daskreech> intelikey: since when?
[05:36] <irahan> hi
[05:36] <jhutchins> You must first understand the motivations for writing non-free, non-open software, and why this is the default for the industry.
[05:37] <intelikey> well observed.    ok anything shipped with a "GNU/linux" distro would imply that then.   seeing that the gnu-gpl applies to "most if not all" distro's
[05:37] <jhutchins> You must accept that this is the normal model for ripping off the common shill who thinks he can get something for nothing.
[05:37] <Daskreech> intelikey: true but I must have missed when he said it shipped with a distro
[05:37] <intelikey> that's why ubuntu didn't ship with mp3 support
[05:37] <Daisuke_Ido> gnu doesn't apply to a distro
[05:37] <Daskreech> technically
[05:37] <jhutchins> You must allow those who are the best at this to continue in their trade.
[05:37] <Daisuke_Ido> nor does the gpl
[05:38] <Daskreech> gnewsense
[05:38] <intelikey> Daskreech i said you were right.  and ammended my rattle
[05:38] <jhutchins> Meanwhile, we may offer a powerfull suite of software for those who are willing to learn to control it, free and open, better than the rest.
[05:38] <Daskreech> FOSS always wins in the end
[05:38] <Daskreech> well ... mostly
[05:39] <Daskreech> It does lose in some areas
[05:39] <Daisuke_Ido> the gpl can apply to software included with a distro, of course, but there are a lot of other licenses in wide use too (BSD-style, CC)
[05:39] <intelikey> Daskreech yeah  the  money game.
[05:39] <jhutchins> foss is power. Windows is the least common denominator.
[05:39] <jhutchins> We don't want that.
[05:39] <Daskreech> yea i was trying to explain that to chalmer
[05:39] <jhutchins> We want the people who think about what they do.
[05:39] <Daskreech> or at least understand the non thinking
[05:40] <jhutchins> We want linux to be the thinking user's OS.
[05:40] <jhutchins> We want SOMETHING ELSE to be the idiot's OS.
[05:40] <intelikey> jhutchins not in ubuntu
[05:40] <jhutchins> Something else = Windows.
[05:40] <jhutchins> intelikey: That is a potential problem.
[05:41] <jhutchins> intelikey: Some developers are misguided.
[05:41] <intelikey> jhutchins i agree with the permice but that's debian philosophy  not ubuntu's
[05:41] <jhutchins> GNOME.
[05:41] <Daskreech> shut your mouth!
[05:42] <jhutchins> I want full control of my system.  Linux gives me that.
[05:42] <lovloss> what should i apt-get for the libraries for QT and freeglut?
[05:42] <jhutchins> !find freeglut
[05:42] <ubotu> Found: freeglut3, freeglut3-dbg, freeglut3-dev
[05:42] <fuel> !qt
[05:42] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[05:42] <Jucato> lovloss: libqt3-mt-dev and freeglut3-dev
[05:42] <jhutchins> !freeglut
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freeglut - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <Jucato> (presuming you need Qt 3)
[05:42] <lovloss> well ill be!!! thank you
[05:43] <jhutchins> !botsnack
[05:43] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:43] <kalorin> ok so what is it exactly about the ATI drivers that are such a complete pain in the ass?
[05:43] <Daisuke_Ido> well, it's bedtime
[05:43] <kalorin> I mean, I'm just trying to do two monitors off the two outputs and make them 1 desktop
[05:43] <jhutchins> kalorin: Ah. Erhmn.
[05:43] <kalorin> this should be cake
[05:43] <Daisuke_Ido> kalorin: they're poorly written and a blight on the face of software development, especially compared to nvidia's offerings
[05:43] <lovloss> just get envy and let it do it for you
[05:43] <kalorin> envy/
[05:44] <lovloss> qt3 is good enough. qt4 is still not open source
[05:44] <tarelerulz> madia player that see inside rar so you could see movie broken up to mulitple rars?
[05:44] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[05:44] <lovloss> kalorin: envy automatically sets up your drivers
[05:44] <Daskreech> !botsmack
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsmack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <jhutchins> kalorin: Well. the thing is, they can't afford to target all 257+ flavors of linus.
[05:44] <Daisuke_Ido> qt4 is gpl on all platforms
[05:44] <BartSimpson> I am getting a bigger hard drive. Currently, I am dual booting kubuntu and windows, with windows on /dev/hda and linux on /dev/hdb. Now, since the hard drive will be bigger, i want to merge my 2 current hard drives on to the bigger one. So the / on linux will become /dev/hda2 instead of hdb1. Where will this create issues that i need to fix? ie which files do i need to change? And my...
[05:44] <BartSimpson> .../etc/fstab has a UUID=something for /, will this be affected? I don't know if this is a kubuntu, ubuntu, or linux question, so if I am in the wrong channel can someone point me to the right place?
[05:44] <kalorin> jhutchins: I did everything including building the Ubuntu/edgy package and doing all the install stuff
[05:44] <kalorin> compiled fine installed fine
[05:44] <lovloss> i think only the not-recent versions are closed source
[05:44] <intelikey> kalorin they are writen by M$ ?     no not really  but the same school of thought   "protect our propritary interests"
[05:44] <kalorin> I can even do DRI now
[05:44] <lovloss> i could be wrong, though. qt3 is fine then
[05:44] <kalorin> I see two monitors
[05:45] <Daskreech> BartSimpson: lvm?
[05:45] <kalorin> I just can't get the 2nd to light up, even in clone mode
[05:45] <wolferine> BartSimpson, one part at a time...
[05:45] <kalorin> well it does light up until it gets past the splash screen
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> qt3 and earlier are closed source on non-*nix platforms
[05:45] <kalorin> then it goes into power savings mode
[05:45] <jhutchins> kalorin: Ok, hang in there, maybe about 10 hrs from now...
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> qt4 is open all around, meaning easy porting of qt4 apps to windows.  oh joy.
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> night!
[05:45] <BartSimpson> I what will I need to change to allow for the new drive? I know fstab is one place
[05:45] <lovloss> Oh. thank you
[05:45] <Daskreech> night
[05:45] <kalorin> he
[05:45] <kalorin> eh
[05:46] <lovloss> well i guess ill probably need to use four :P
[05:46] <kalorin> seems like it's almost displaying both screens out the same output?
[05:46] <lovloss> though id love to be able to pretend windows doesnt exist
[05:46] <wolferine> BartSimpson, first, you will lose some data, unless your careful
[05:46] <tarelerulz> If you all want free software to really take off . Get it to as many people as you cand and that my be windows user as well
[05:47] <wolferine> BartSimpson, second, if you add a new drive, you need it in fstab, u will need to mount it
[05:47] <intelikey> lovloss windows ?    what windows ?     i don't see any windows here mate.
[05:47] <Daskreech> lovloss: It's not that hard once you forget about games
[05:47] <pollyo> I think they need a call your hardware manufacturer day for linux.
[05:47] <lovloss> Darkskreech : thats the problem. im hoping to be a game programmer
[05:47] <lovloss> and im an addict myself
[05:48] <Daskreech> lovloss: join #ps3dev :-)
[05:48] <taz_> PS3? yerk
[05:48] <lovloss> playstation 3?
[05:48] <tarelerulz> Have you all heard much about the ps3 and linux?
[05:48] <wolferine> how can I check .sfv files?
[05:48] <intelikey> lovloss FOSS game programing doesn't pay much.   but it sure would draw the kids to the os.
[05:48] <lovloss> im listening
[05:48] <Daskreech> tarelerulz: IT works
[05:48] <pollyo> tarelerulz: Only that Sony locks out much of the hardware functions.
[05:48] <Daskreech> well not much
[05:48] <Daskreech> the video card
[05:49] <lovloss> intelikey: i like game design, its what i enjoy doing
[05:49] <tarelerulz> I read about that myself lame ? sony should go all the way or not at all
[05:49] <Daskreech> I'm of the opinion that it's legal :-(
[05:49] <BartSimpson> wolferine: I'm thinking about just adding the new drive in, using qtparted to partition it properly, use a disk cloning program to copy all the partitions, and finally edit the fstab to work appropriatly. then remove the other 2 drives. Is this feasible?
[05:49] <kalorin> sony is the m$ of A/V stuff
[05:49] <kalorin> hate sony
[05:49] <Daskreech> i've spoken to a bunch of PS3 developers and they are confused over it as well
[05:49] <pollyo> tarelerulz: They make money on selling the machines to people who want to play games.  They only get licensing fees back from developers when people are buying games.
[05:49] <wolferine> you have two other drives?
[05:49] <lovloss> sony's complicated. It has so many divisions its ridiculous
[05:49] <Daskreech> yeah but at least they let you install linux on their stuff
[05:49] <wolferine> or partitions?
[05:50] <Daskreech> They even have a button for it :-)
[05:50] <soulrider> i wanna get a Wii
[05:50] <intelikey> BartSimpson why trubble with making partitions if you are cloning the disk ?
[05:50] <tarelerulz> Unless they do something big I don't see the ps3 really doing as well as it should
[05:50] <intelikey> BartSimpson man dd
[05:50] <kkerwin> I've noticed that the python-dev package doesn't contain the header files that the description claims to: on both dpkg -L python-dev and in the files listed for the package on the Ubuntu package website, all that are listed are just the python documentation files. Anyone know where I can find python header files?
[05:50] <pollyo> soulrider: I tried out the wii just the other day.  It was a neat system.
[05:50] <tarelerulz> If I was them I would take all the help I could
[05:50] <soulrider> pollyo: my friend has one and its so awesome, tons of fun!
[05:51] <pollyo> tarelerulz: Sony is getting bad press allover.
[05:51] <soulrider> i only enjoyed a few PS games
[05:51] <soulrider> most of them suck
[05:51] <lovloss> I hate them more for their influence on the music industry than anything
[05:51] <tarelerulz> I thought it was great to have game system that would run linux easy and no real hacking to do so
[05:51] <soulrider> yeah
[05:51] <tarelerulz> and playing games too
[05:51] <wolferine> how can I check .sfv files?
[05:51] <pollyo> tarelerulz: Can its memory be expanded?
[05:52] <BartSimpson> wolferine: I have windows on one drive, linux on the second. I want to get a new, bigger one and merge both on to the one.
[05:52] <lovloss> i was really upset when firewall was bought by Sony, and suddenly my favorite bands were owned by the giant
[05:52] <wolferine> drives or partitions?
[05:52] <BartSimpson> intelikey: problem is, I can only use 2 drives at once, so if i wanted to clone both disks into one, how would i do that with dd?
[05:52] <tarelerulz> I don't know the specs . It may not need more
[05:53] <Daskreech> BartSimpson: that's not that hard
[05:53] <Daskreech> it's not that bad
[05:53] <Daskreech> lovloss: what kind of games are you trying to make?
[05:53] <BartSimpson> wolferine: I have 2 drives. One has windows, 1 partition. The other has linux, partition1=/, 2="extended", 3=/home, 4=a second ntfs thing for windows, and 5=swap
[05:53] <soulrider> damn, the arch linux repos are so slow!
[05:53] <Daskreech> lovloss: or maybe #gametome
[05:54] <Daskreech> BartSimpson: what are you going to use the old drives for?
[05:54] <wolferine> answering partition or drive is sufficient
[05:54] <intelikey> BartSimpson  yeah you'd need to make partitions to dd to
[05:54] <lovloss> Daskreech: We'll see. Mostly the RPG and Adventuring sort. I do not like working with games that have a worthless story
[05:55] <lovloss> Daskreech: I wasnt an english major for 4 years for nothing :P
[05:55] <Daskreech> soooo tetris?
[05:55] <intelikey> BartSimpson you were saying clone the disk  i was thinking you meant clone the disk   my bad.    should have known you meant clone the partitions.
[05:55] <tarelerulz> I have heard of some rpg that are open souce
[05:55] <soulrider> lovloss: what do you think about the story in metal gear games ?
[05:55] <lovloss> lol tetris rules though
[05:55] <taz_> raaaahhh Eclipse does'nt work....
[05:55] <soulrider> tetris is the best game ever
[05:55] <Daskreech> lovloss: oh sweet :) I was thinking of a rpg story versioning system two months ago
[05:55] <Daskreech> #freedroid-rg
[05:55] <lovloss> soulrider: i only played the first one and i really liked it
[05:55] <BartSimpson> Daskreech: i'm going to put them in another computer or whatever. Since one (windows) is 37 gb, and the other (linux) is 110, I want to move both of them onto one huge one and forget about the others.
[05:55] <Daskreech> #freedroidrpg
[05:55] <lovloss> Daskreech: thats cool :)
[05:55] <Daskreech> BartSimpson: you can dd them
[05:56] <BartSimpson> intelikey: I want to basically clone 2 disks onto one, and still keep the partitions intact
[05:56] <lovloss> I was big in the RP servers of Neverwinter Nights for something like 2 years
[05:56] <soulrider> intelikey: i havnt had xorg for the last 2 hours and i realise that my computer is still usable! :P
[05:56] <soulrider> intelikey: its a waste to have this computer and not use a WM though
[05:57] <intelikey> BartSimpson can't do that really.   to clone a disk means to make an exact copy.  i.e. same mbr, same partition table, same data,      so that's not what you want.
[05:57] <BartSimpson> Daskreech: but the problem is, that i need to do it one at a time. my computer only has 2 connectors for an hd, so i will need to first clone one, then clone the other onto another partition of the one i just cloned that one.
[05:57] <soulrider> intelikey: how long does it take you to compile your kernel
[05:57] <BartSimpson> yeah i might be using the word clone wrong sorry
[05:57] <BartSimpson> intelikey: is "copy" more appropriate?
[05:57] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah that article was right. take it out of fstab and its cool. i'll look it at another time in terms of where the fault it
[05:57] <flaccid> is
[05:58] <Daskreech> BartSimpson: you'd have to cut up the new drive first
[05:58] <intelikey> soulrider i haven't built a kernel in several months.   and i normally let the thing make while i sleep.
[05:58] <Daskreech> what's wrong with reinstalling?
[05:58] <soulrider> i see intelikey
[05:58] <lovloss> I love reinstalling linux
[05:58] <soulrider> lol, it is kinda fun, isnt it ?
[05:58] <lovloss> a fresh new operating system is always better than an old one. Things just pile up
[05:58] <lovloss> and yeah its fun
[05:58] <Daskreech> I'm going to reinstall after KDE4.1 comes out
[05:58] <jay> :D
[05:58] <soulrider> i like it when i do a more advanced installation than before, and i can actually understand what the stuff means
[05:58] <intelikey> flaccid hmm   ok.    i have a few thoughts on that but nothing worth sharing yet.
[05:59] <jay> !help
[05:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:59] <Daskreech> I was going to do KDE4.0 but I figure I'll still neeed qt3 stuff
[05:59] <flaccid> intelikey: ok cool yh0
[05:59] <hawk_> intelikey:hello my good budy
[05:59] <lovloss> i wish i could browse my brain
[05:59] <flaccid> i mean y0
[05:59] <BartSimpson> I heard you can only have 5 partitions on one disk, but i would need 6 to merge these disks. is it possible to use > 5?
[05:59] <hawk_> lovloss:dont we all
[05:59] <intelikey> hawk_ what do you want ?
[05:59] <hawk_> intelikey:just saying hello
[06:00] <soulrider> uhm, i havnt seen hawkwind in a while, does he ever come on ?
[06:00] <intelikey> anything that starts with  friend,buddy,or pal.  triggers the "what do you want" attatude    :)
[06:00] <hawk_> intelikey: i would think so
[06:00] <jay> i want that bot
[06:00] <intelikey> hawk_ but   ok.   how !
[06:01] <intelikey> or shalom
[06:01] <intelikey> heck i can even say howdy.
[06:01] <hawk_> intelikey:lol
[06:01] <martalli> I am trying to run an install program, but it claims I am not running a JVM.  As far as I know, this install of kubuntu has both sun jre 5 and 6.
[06:01] <intelikey> the first two by birth the last by local
[06:01] <martalli> I can see them both in the menus
[06:01] <lovloss> Installation goes quick if you save all your apt-get names. YOu can just put in a big pasted paragraph of them and go make a sandwhich
[06:01] <martalli> Is there a way to check that>
[06:02] <jay> martalli: you have to set your paths for it
[06:02] <jay> type in a shell $path
[06:02] <jay> and see ion you jre is there
[06:02] <martalli> ok
[06:02] <intelikey> jay  $path ?
[06:02] <jay> yes
[06:02] <intelikey> ?
[06:02] <Dragon_Legion> Laughing Out Loud
[06:02] <jay> i had to do that for limwire
[06:02] <Dragon_Legion> try echo $path
[06:02] <jay> nah
[06:02] <jay> you dont need the echo
[06:02] <intelikey> Dragon_Legion  echo $path  ?
[06:03] <martalli> no $PATH
[06:03] <intelikey> lol
[06:03] <martalli> all caps
[06:03] <intelikey> yep
[06:03] <jay> yeah
[06:03] <lovloss> someone in one of my classes asked me if linux was available for i386 systems
[06:03] <lovloss> lol
[06:03] <jay> yes
[06:03] <jay> it is
[06:03] <jay> xD
[06:03] <lovloss> i thought that was a hillarious question
[06:03] <martalli> is anyone still using 386 systems?  Tell you classmate they shoudl really be usding a p4 at least
[06:03] <Daskreech> BartSimpson: you can have as many as you want I would not advise over 200 though
[06:03] <pollyo> Do that have a distribution that will run on an older system that only has 64 meg or ram?
[06:03] <jay> im using 386 >_>
[06:03] <Dragon_Legion> echo $PATH doesnt retrun an error on my system the way $PATH does
[06:04] <lovloss> a lot of people use 386
[06:04] <jay> Dragon_Legion what distreo you using
[06:04] <lovloss> this computer im using now is i386
[06:04] <lovloss> though my new one is 64
[06:04] <intelikey> lovloss did you answer "i don't know, i'll have to check the list of supported arch. and get back to you; because it's not possable to remember what all linux will run on. "  ?
[06:04] <martalli> path = bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[06:05] <lovloss> intelikey: no, i just said "yes" ^_^ i just found it odd since the 64bit stuff is what's specialty
[06:05] <martalli> And java appears to be /usr/bin/java
[06:05] <intelikey> "oh, but the list of things it wont run on is short enough _____ . "   :)
[06:05] <martalli> So I guess that java is in my path
[06:05] <jay> you have to put is in your $path
[06:05] <lovloss> :3
[06:05] <kalorin> mkay
[06:05] <kalorin> now i have it doing mirrored mode
[06:05] <kalorin> so that's nice
[06:06] <jay> !PATH
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about path - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:06] <jay> !$PATH
[06:06] <lovloss> if i suggest anything about new technology, its that you get a SATA card and set up a raid array for your hard drive/s ^_^
[06:06] <jay> hmm
[06:06] <Dragon_Legion> martalli: use which java
[06:06] <lovloss> best thing i ever did
[06:06] <Dragon_Legion> if that doesnt work use which jre
[06:07] <martalli> What's the command line for jre?
[06:07] <intelikey> lovloss i still prefer scsi  but ok yeah.
[06:07] <jay> martalli: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html < look here
[06:08] <intelikey> martalli i don't know but   j[tab]      might help.
[06:08] <lovloss> i g2g
[06:08] <jay> java -version
[06:08] <lovloss> cya all
[06:08] <martalli> intelikey: Why didn't I think of that?
[06:08] <Dragon_Legion> try gij
[06:08] <jay> martalli: it just java ._.
[06:08] <Dragon_Legion> gij -jar really
[06:09] <soulrider> im going to bed
[06:09] <martalli> I think "java_vm"
[06:09] <soulrider> see ya guys!
[06:09] <Dragon_Legion> martalli: I dont have my linux connected to this system but when I put in java it told me to use gij -jar
[06:09] <jay> Dragon_Legion have you used kubuntu?
[06:10] <jay> Make sure your giving command for a debian based system
[06:10] <taz> ouch, Kubuntu need a lot of RAM. Is it normal?
[06:10] <Dragon_Legion> kago....I am OVER kubuntu
[06:10] <jay> yes
[06:10] <Dragon_Legion> essentially the same thing
[06:10] <intelikey> taz it doesn't "need" a lot of ram.
[06:11] <jay> not really..
[06:11] <intelikey> ubuntu kde will run in less than 64M
[06:11] <martalli> Actually - gij -jar claims to work
[06:11] <jay> Make sure you have a swap
[06:11] <Dragon_Legion> I hardly use any RAM on my system
[06:11] <intelikey> no swap
[06:11] <Dragon_Legion> and I have about 100 ps running
[06:11] <taz> got 384Mb and use 357 with only Konversation
[06:11] <pollyo> intelikey: ubuntu will run in less than 64M?
[06:11] <intelikey> pollyo yes
[06:11] <intelikey> and no swap
[06:12] <jay> i know for a fact you need a linux swap partition
[06:12] <eeanm> taz: linux always uses almost all of your memory, it caches hard disk
[06:12] <pollyo> intelikey: Great.  I've been looking for something to put on my other machine.  It only has 64M.
[06:13] <intelikey> i did not say that you had a lot of ram for apps   i said kde doesn't need that much.     mozilla-browser and an irc client an konsole  will just about max out that 64M
[06:13] <pollyo> intelikey: Do you know of any other distributions that are good for older computers?
[06:13] <jay> Knoppix
[06:13] <jay> knoppix is good for thoes with no ram
[06:13] <eeanm> lol
[06:13] <Carutsu> jay: mmm, i need that!
[06:13] <jay> !knoppix
[06:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knoppix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <martalli> for very little ram, I woudl suggest puppy linux.
[06:13] <Carutsu> jay: good to know, bur how about packages?
[06:13] <pollyo> jay: Ok. Are they still developing for knoppix and is it based on anything?
[06:13] <jay> :/
[06:14] <pollyo> jay: As far as packages?
[06:14] <jay> like what do you mean
[06:14] <intelikey> pollyo slackware   still has all it's releases avalable.   you can put a slackware system in 16M ram 100M hd .
[06:14] <jay> like what it has >_>
[06:14] <jay> intelikey: mandriva one can do the same thing
[06:14] <jay> and it has a better base
[06:14] <Carutsu> jay: finding software for k/ubuntu is so easy because of the repostories, are the knopix repostories as well mantained as k/ubuntu's
[06:14] <jay> with rpm :D
[06:14] <pollyo> I'm going to have to look around a bit.
[06:15] <intelikey> jay yes but not quite so easily.   he asked about a distro that was "good for older boxes"
[06:15] <jay> Carutsu: knoppix goes directly to the Debians sorces for its packages
[06:15] <martalli> How do I set a cl variable?  how do I set $JAVA_HOME='/usr/bin' (or something liek that?
[06:15] <intelikey> pollyo dsl also.
[06:15] <taz> Is Katapult really usefull? (try to close some process)
[06:15] <Carutsu> jay: that's good enough for me
[06:15] <martalli> if you "install knoppix", you get a vanilla install
[06:15] <intelikey> pollyo assuming you have a cd drive in it.
[06:16] <Carutsu> taz i just love it!
[06:16] <pollyo> Thanks for all the sugestions.
[06:16] <pollyo> I do have CD on the machine.
[06:16] <jay> y/w
[06:16] <martalli> for older computers: puppy linux, dsl, austrumi
[06:16] <jay> lol
[06:16] <jay> slax does it too
[06:16] <jay> and feather
[06:16] <philphoto> question
[06:16] <jay> yes?
[06:16] <pollyo> Can tooo many options be a bad thing? <grin>
[06:16] <jay> xD
[06:17] <martalli> How do I set a cl variable?  how do I set $JAVA_HOME='/usr/bin' (or something like that?
[06:17] <intelikey> pollyo sure.   the question is how many are too many
[06:17] <pollyo> intelikey: True.
[06:17] <jay> martalli : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html<tell you how
[06:17] <martalli> gnome sure thinks so (as in, you can't change any options witht he gnoe-screensaver)
[06:17] <philphoto> is it possible and/or something reasonable to do to to load up feisty on my PATA 40GB drive then creade a RAID array with two 80GB drives purely for starage?
[06:17] <jay> !java
[06:17] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:17] <intelikey> martalli in your  ~/.profile   i would think would be a good place
[06:18] <jay> !rais
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rais - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <jay> !raid
[06:18] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:18] <jay> there ya go
[06:18] <intelikey> martalli or the system wide   /etc/profile
[06:18] <philphoto> I don't want to make it bootable RAID
[06:18] <philphoto> thanks, I'll be right back
[06:18] <pollyo> Is it possible to have a volume control for each application?
[06:19] <intelikey> without hacking things... i'd have to say no.
[06:19] <jay> =D
[06:19] <pollyo> I always wondered why they didn't have that option.
[06:19] <jay> !ubuntustudio
[06:19] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site is for the musician who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation, at  http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit  #ubuntu-studio
[06:20] <intelikey> it should be possable to modulate the output pre-arts  but i've never seen it done.
[06:22] <kalorin> grrrrrrrr
[06:22] <utnubuk> jay is there a beta available to play with?
[06:22] <kalorin> I can get two screens that mirror each other
[06:22] <philphoto> ok, so I read the ubotu's RAID page as for boot disks but I only want to have a mountable storage volume.
[06:22] <intelikey> pollyo one reason is that it would require a secnodary sound filter for every app     sound would flow through the volume filter then into the arts server (filter) to get to the hardware....  the more you process it the slower it gets
[06:22] <utnubuk> for ubuntu studio i mean
[06:22] <kalorin> and I can get two screens that are two completely seperate desktops
[06:22] <philphoto> and I want to play.  to learn what I can do
[06:22] <kalorin> I can't get two screens that are one desktop
[06:23] <kalorin> OMG
[06:23] <pollyo> intelikey: I see.
[06:23] <kalorin> it worked
[06:23] <kalorin> now I'm afraid to reboot
[06:23] <jay> martalli do you still need help
[06:23] <Daskreech> Dragon_Legion: how is it?
[06:24] <Dragon_Legion> Daskreech: what?
[06:24] <Re|ent|ess> * services. sets mode: +e <lol
[06:24] <Daskreech> pollyo: deli and vector
[06:25] <philphoto> ok.  I think I'm going over to Feisty.  looks like a lot of my slow comp issues might be taken care of.
[06:26] <pollyo> Daskreech:  deli and vector?
[06:26] <philphoto> are there any more fixes for the ATI GC in feisty?
[06:27] <Daskreech> pollyo: light distros
[06:27] <Daskreech> deli more so than vector
[06:27] <pollyo> Daskreech: Thank you.
[06:27] <Daskreech>  it is very minimial though i thik they just upgraded to linux kernel 2.2
[06:27] <intelikey> pollyo it's a little like doing    printf "`echo blah | cat`\n"     to get blah to the stdout.   it will get there but so will   echo blah    and it doesn't have to go through two other processes to get there so it is faster.   even though you may not be able to measure it.    if the streem was big enough you could.
[06:27] <pollyo> intelikey: Looking at the website now.
[06:31] <peanutb> can anyone point me to a good guide for doing a low level format on a toshiba hard drive? possibly with ubuntu?
[06:32] <peanutb> or kubuntu
[06:32] <Daskreech> peanutb: check the toshiba site they will most likely have an ISO for the tools that will do it for you
[06:33] <Daskreech> pretty dangerous at this point in time to do low level formats by yourself
[06:33] <peanutb> the drive has bad sectors. Toshiba dosnt provide any utilities
[06:34] <Daskreech> wait is this a laptop?
[06:34] <peanutb> the hd is from a laptop
[06:34] <peanutb> but in a regular pc right now.
[06:35] <intelikey> peanutb you can try   sudo cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda  (assuming hda)   then partition/format
[06:35] <intelikey> peanutb that's about as close as you get without a real bios call.   some bios's have a low level format opetion.
[06:36] <intelikey> option
[06:36] <peanutb> intelikey, ok thanks, i doubt my bios has that option (it is a cheap ECS motherboard)
[06:37] <intelikey> op shun
[06:37] <Daskreech> peanutb: and toshiba makes the had drive?
[06:37] <Daskreech> intelikey: evvery day
[06:38] <intelikey> lol
[06:38] <peanutb> Daskreech, i pulled it out of a laptop.
[06:38] <Daskreech> yea yes I understand that. But I doubt that toshiba made the drive itself
[06:39] <Daskreech> Woah deja vu
[06:39] <intelikey> seagate wd maxtor ....
[06:39] <BartSimpson> Back to my previous partition problem, I have one last question: My fstab has / mounted as UUID=something_that_looks_like_a_md5. will I need to change this "UUID" when i move my thing to a different partion on the new hard drive?
[06:39] <peanutb> it was from a tosiba computer with toshiba written all over it.
[06:39] <maymemoo> i cant join #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:39] <maymemoo> >=|
[06:40] <peanutb> maymemoo, register your nick
[06:40] <Daskreech> maymemoo: boo-hoo :) join #kubuntu-offtopic :-)
[06:41] <Re|ent|ess> i forgot -RN is on
[06:41] <Re|ent|ess> :x
[06:41] <Re|ent|ess> this server is bad with modes
[06:41] <Agent_bob> you don't have to regester to join #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:42] <Re|ent|ess> im banned
[06:42] <Re|ent|ess> :D
[06:42] <Re|ent|ess> some op on a power trip did it
[06:42] <Re|ent|ess> :p
[06:43] <Agent_bob> Re|ent|ess should i tell them you are in here now so they can do the same ?  :)
[06:43] <Re|ent|ess> lol
[06:43] <Jucato> there's #kubuntu-offtopic too
[06:43] <Jucato> w/c reminds me...
[06:43] <Agent_bob> yeah you can get banned from there too
[06:44] <Jucato> Re|ent|ess: #ubuntu-ops for operator questions (bans, etc)
[06:45] <Carutsu> !inkscape
[06:45] <ubotu> Inkscape is a powerful vector graphics drawing application - see http://www.inkscape.org/ for more
[06:46] <Daskreech> it has a k in the name. it must be good1
[06:46] <pollyo> !busybox
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about busybox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <Jucato> Daskreech: non sequitur... you have a K in your name as well :P
[06:46] <Daskreech> Well .... I'm good
[06:47] <Jucato> non verum est
[06:50] <Daskreech> :-
[06:50] <Daskreech> )
[06:51] <vbgunz> I have an issue with Firefox on Kubuntu. I click on a mailto link and my Thunderbird setup does not try to open a window at all. If I launch a link from Thunderbird, it opens that link in Konqueror... but Firefox is my default browser... whats going on? anyone know?
[06:53] <Daskreech> thunderbid isn't a kde app I don't think it respects the KDE default app choice
[06:54] <vbgunz> this blows, I swear I would switch to KDE apps Konqueror and Kmail *but* no web developer and other useful extensions for Konqueror and well, Thunderbird I am seriously considering doing without...
[06:55] <philphoto> has there been any change (positive) in how ATI graphics cards act with Feisty?
[06:56] <philphoto> or do I have to go through the rigamarole again?
[06:56] <Daskreech> rigmarole?
[06:56] <Carutsu> Daskreech but as far as i know Thunderbird does a system call calling for a browser the system then loads the browser
[06:56] <Daskreech> Carutsu: if you say so
[06:57] <philphoto> ordeal, however slight, of reconfiguring xorg.conf to better apply my GC for speed
[06:57] <Carutsu> Daskreech: tell me if im wrong but that's what i though
[06:57] <philphoto> I swear I'm just going to get another vendor's GC.
[06:58] <Daskreech> philphoto: Oh that's what was making things run so slow?
[06:58] <philphoto> on that note, should I be able to switch graphics cards when I get my new one in & not have to do a complete new install?
[06:58] <philphoto> yeah, that's why it was slow.
[06:59] <philphoto> daskreech: today I tried to do a dual-boot with winXP so I could run my Epson scanner, but in the process things went bad.
[07:00] <Daskreech> oh?
[07:00] <Daskreech> how so?
[07:00] <philphoto> not a problem, I have everything saved on my external hd.  and the feisty install took way less time than the upgrade
[07:00] <Daskreech> philphoto: tell me about it.
[07:00] <posingaspopular> Daskreech, migration manager is amazing.
[07:00] <Jucato> vbgunz: "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" to set your default browser across the whole system
[07:00] <Daskreech> posingaspopular: still slow :-)
[07:01] <posingaspopular> hmmm
[07:01] <posingaspopular> strange
[07:01] <philphoto> something happened with one of the partitions on the hd that had edgy installed & i just said to heck with it.
[07:01] <Jucato> vbgunz: as for clicking mailto links in firefox to launch thunderbird, I think you'll have to use about:config there
[07:01] <philphoto> it WOULD NOT boot.
[07:01] <philphoto> no matter what I tried.
[07:02] <philphoto> every setting in BIOS wouldn't let that thing boot to save it's life.  i went & restored grub again even to see if it was an issue with that.  nope.
[07:02] <skarface> Jucato: kcontrol > KDE Components > Default Applications will set thunderbird as the default
[07:02] <philphoto> thunderstorm outside.  I should get off this machine.
[07:03] <Jucato> skarface: yes, but only for KDE apps
[07:03] <Jucato> skarface: and since firefox is not a kde app, it may not (or may) follow that
[07:03] <vbgunz> Jucato: thank you very much though I think I am really going to make a gunho effort to switch to kmail
[07:03] <skarface> Jucato: it will
[07:03] <skarface> no reason to use kmail or thunderbird really
[07:03] <vbgunz> Jucato: what you use?
[07:04] <skarface> webmail is more convenient
[07:04] <Jucato> I'm sure about the default browser part though
[07:04] <Jucato> vbgunz: konqueror and kmail
[07:04] <philphoto> so has anyone here (with an ATI graphics card)  noticed any performance advantage over edgy?
[07:04] <vbgunz> Jucato: thats what I mean, I am thinking about switching from Tbird to kmail... Konqueror not so easy for me... Firefox got some killer extensions :(
[07:05] <Daskreech> philphoto: I'll tell you tomorrow when feisty finished installing
[07:05] <pollyo> is ubuntu-desktop the gnome desktop?
[07:05] <philphoto> oh man.
[07:05] <Jucato> pollyo: no
[07:05] <pollyo> Hmm....
[07:05] <Jucato> ubuntu-desktop is the metapackage that installs the default Ubuntu packages.
[07:05] <skarface> I really dislike konqueror... kde I like, konqueror not so much. but as far as email, gmail wins. then just add its feed to akregator to check your mail periodically.
[07:05] <philphoto> you should free up some bandwidth on your machine & get off the IRC
[07:05] <Jucato> gnome-desktop-environment is the GNOME desktop metapackage
[07:05] <Daskreech> pollyo: it will install a gnome desktop yes
[07:06] <skarface> irc takes about .002% of my bandwidth... it's the torrents...
[07:06] <pollyo> I went to remove compiz and it says removing ubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <Daskreech> pollyo: that's cool
[07:06] <skarface> pollyo: that's strange
[07:06] <Daskreech> no big loss
[07:06] <philphoto> you know what?  I think I notice a difference right now.
[07:07] <philphoto> has Feisty's xorg.conf been changed to run better with specific radeon GC's?  this thing is kicking @$$
[07:07] <skarface> all I've noticed so far is that I don't have to add repositories for beryl
[07:07] <pollyo> What are considered the top video cards for linux right now.  Do they have a website that discussess videocards for use on linux?
[07:07] <skarface> oh and the splashes got kind of blurry and strange looking
[07:08] <Daskreech> philphoto: well a new ati driver came out yesterday i think
[07:08] <Daskreech> that may make a difference
[07:08] <philphoto> really!?
[07:08] <kalorin> another new one yesterday?
[07:08] <kalorin> I have like 8.5.55 or something
[07:08] <philphoto> that's good.
[07:08] <Daskreech> wasn't it yesterday?
[07:08] <Daskreech> yeah that one
[07:08] <kalorin> 8.35.5
[07:09] <philphoto> either way, this machine hasn't been this fast since I installed my new CPU & 3 more GBram a month ago
[07:09] <philphoto> but I was on WInXP then, so I can't judge :)
[07:09] <Daskreech> :-)
[07:09] <Daskreech> kubuntu is normally pretty quick
[07:09] <skarface> just about anything would scream with more than 3gb of ram
[07:09] <philphoto> I'll get my peripherals configured, scan an image in Xsane & then I'll tell you if it's working better.
[07:10] <kalorin> I so want to go E6600 w/ 2gb of ram
[07:10] <philphoto> yeah, I wish I had an athlon64
[07:10] <kalorin> have a 64 3200+ single core now
[07:10] <kalorin> it's fast enough
[07:10] <skarface> I have yet to see any compelling reason that 64-bit is better
[07:11] <skarface> unless you want to compile everything for 64
[07:11] <pollyo> I guess compiz is required for ubutun-desktop
[07:11] <philphoto> the arch is better than pentium for graphics processing like I do
[07:12] <pollyo> !ubuntu-desktop
[07:13] <nicoc> hola
[07:13] <ubotu> k/ed/x/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.
[07:13] <skarface> it's just a metapackage... the only problem you'll have is that if you want to use apt-get autoremove it'll try to nuke your gnome
[07:13] <skarface> and apparently it might screw up updates :)
[07:14] <pollyo> At the same time does it also slow my computer down?
[07:14] <skarface> no
[07:14] <skarface> not if you're not running beryl
[07:14] <kofler> I'm trying to do static IP configuration. The machine is currently DHCP'd and I am remotely SSH'd from home to the network. If I /etc/init.d/networking restart, will I lose all connectivity positively?
[07:14] <skarface> it just takes a little hd space
[07:14] <Daskreech> skarface: yeah it assumes you have the basic meta package and the desktop meta package
[07:14] <pollyo> skarface: compiz itself isn't going to slow it down without beryl?
[07:14] <philphoto> goodness, this has a lot of updates.  bah
[07:15] <skarface> pollyo: uh did you install compiz?
[07:15] <kofler> Anyone?
[07:15] <pollyo> skarface: I believe at one point I did.  I was attempting to remove it and it removed ubuntu-desktop at the same time.
[07:15] <kalorin> what's the real advantage of this beryl deal anyway?
[07:15] <intelikey> kofler ?
[07:15] <Daskreech> philphoto: honestly if you don't like updating then please close your eyes
[07:15] <kalorin> just to have pretty 3d objects to map your desktop onto?
[07:15] <pollyo> skarface: When I went to put ubuntu-desktop back it reinstalled compiz.
[07:15] <Daskreech> kalorin: envy
[07:15] <philphoto> I'm thinking of just going to bed.
[07:16] <kalorin> envy?
[07:16] <skarface> pollyo: weird. compiz has never been part of ubuntu-desktop as far as I know
[07:16] <pollyo> skarface: I doubt my video card is fast enough to really work with compiz though.
[07:16] <Daskreech> pollyo: that's wrong
[07:16] <philphoto> but this new face to the OS is like a christmas present.
[07:16] <Daskreech> philphoto: if you update there will be just as many when you wake up
[07:16] <philphoto> i want to get everythign configured NOW
[07:16] <philphoto> you serious?!
[07:16] <Daskreech> philphoto: really just leave it alone for the month :)
[07:16] <Daskreech> yep
[07:16] <Daskreech> no joke
[07:16] <philphoto> dang.
[07:16] <pollyo> Did they change something on feisty?
[07:16] <philphoto> well, I'm 32% into it
[07:17] <skarface> well fesity includes beryl, nothing about compiz though
[07:17] <Daskreech> philphoto: until it releases you'll have a ton of updates every day
[07:17] <skarface> I don't know what that's all about
[07:17] <philphoto> right, right.
[07:17] <pollyo> I have a NV TNT2 crard.
[07:17] <Daskreech> philphoto: well let it up date then. but you don't HAVE to do everyupdate
[07:17] <pollyo> I have NV drivers running but I think compiz and beryl need newer cards.
[07:17] <Daskreech>  by the time the update is done they will have more
[07:17] <Daskreech> It's crazy
[07:17] <skarface> pollyo: what kind of card do you have?
[07:18] <philphoto> ok, I'll just shut off the adept notification deal until the 20th
[07:18] <Daskreech> I've updated a package and by the time it's downloaded and installed the same package had an update
[07:18] <intelikey> Daskreech that's why i stick with LTS
[07:18] <philphoto> ha ha ha ha ha ha!
[07:18] <Daskreech> it's addicitive if you don't have stuff to do
[07:18] <philphoto> LTS?
[07:18] <pollyo> skarface: It is an older card in my Dell Optiplex Gx300 with a PIII
[07:18] <Daskreech> intelikey: LTS had it as well :-p
[07:18] <skarface> philphoto: well you could always remove compiz or whatever and then install ubuntu-desktop again. it won't really install anything but it should get rid of the annoyance.
[07:18] <Daskreech> don't be acting like it didn't
[07:18] <pollyo> skarface: It is a NV TNT2 is all I know.
[07:18] <intelikey> doesn't now
[07:19] <Daskreech> well neither will feisty when it ships
[07:19] <philphoto> it's not an annoyance.
[07:19] <pollyo> skarface: That is what I did.  Then it reinstalled compiz.
[07:19] <skarface> uh well considering beryl/compiz will run on my lame intel cards, it should run on that
[07:19] <intelikey> Daskreech there have been maybe 10 packages updated in a month
[07:19] <pollyo> skarface: Really?
[07:19] <skarface> pollyo: that's a rather odd little fluke
[07:19] <philphoto> now that I have feisty, am I running beryl?
[07:19] <skarface> no
[07:19] <intelikey> Daskreech and the longer it goes the less there are.   the "bugs are being worked out"
[07:19] <philphoto> ok.
[07:19] <pollyo> skarface: I would like to look at some of the effects in compiz.
[07:20] <pollyo> skarface: Any idea how I active them?
[07:20] <Daskreech> intelikey: you'd love delli linux :-)
[07:20] <skarface> yeah
[07:20] <Daskreech> 2.2 kernel
[07:20] <philphoto> not that i want beryl.  just wondering what big apps are being put on the OS automatically
[07:20] <skarface> install beryl beryl-manager emerald-themes
[07:20] <skarface> then run beryl-manager
[07:20] <intelikey> Daskreech na  2.4 is good
[07:20] <pollyo> skarface: I think compiz has some type of windows manager.
[07:20] <Daskreech> debian? :-)
[07:21] <skarface> well beryl is a fork of compiz
[07:21] <philphoto> 72% complete
[07:21] <skarface> pretty much the same stuff, only it seems to have more development going on
[07:22] <pollyo> Maybe I need to install compiz-kde to activate it.
[07:22] <skarface> nah
[07:22] <pollyo> compiz-core and compiz (and a slew of others are already installed)
[07:22] <philphoto> ok, now that I'm up with the feisty, with no more windowz crud on my computer, I have more storage.
[07:23] <kalorin> so feisty is going to be really different?
[07:23] <philphoto> do I just go into a partition manager to create one big ext3 partition in my spare drive?
[07:23] <intelikey> kalorin no.
[07:23] <skarface> philphoto: if you like
[07:23] <philphoto> but is it just that simple?
[07:23] <skarface> you'll have to add it to /etc/fstab also
[07:23] <kalorin> intelikey think I'll still have a TON of issues with the ATI video drivers there?
[07:23] <skarface> if you want it to mount automatically
[07:23] <philphoto> how to do that?
[07:23] <philphoto> certainly
[07:23] <kalorin> (in feisty I mean)
[07:23] <skarface> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[07:24] <skarface> brb
[07:24] <philphoto> and edit fstab with?  is it obvious?
[07:25] <intelikey> kalorin i would hope not as many.  but probably still some.  until we see some actual change in the modus operandus of ati (it was bought out by amd) then don't expect any miricales
[07:26] <philphoto> I'm meaning, I'll add the volume label to fstab, correct?
[07:26] <Re|ent|ess> !tell philphoto abot fstab
[07:26] <Re|ent|ess> !tell philphoto about fstab
[07:26] <Re|ent|ess> !fstab
[07:26] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[07:27] <Re|ent|ess> !partitons
[07:27] <kalorin> yeah I just wish when I did an install off the cd I didn't have to drop to a shell and install the xorg-driver-ati package and then dot he aticonfig --initial and so on
[07:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partitons - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:27] <Daskreech> BartSimpson: how goes?
[07:27] <kalorin> in order to just get it to give me a desktop
[07:27] <kalorin> then do it again after the install
[07:27] <philphoto> thanks.
[07:27] <kalorin> and then try to upgrade the drivers to something more current and you get a few hours of banging your head against the desk
[07:27] <kalorin> just aggrevatin
[07:28] <BartSimpson> Daskreech: still looking for a new hard drive :)
[07:28] <kalorin> at least my new workstation at work has a quadra 5something in it, worked right out of the box
[07:28] <kalorin> thought it wouldn't see my dell 20" 1600x1200 FP until I redid the monitor profile
[07:28] <kalorin> that was silly
[07:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[07:30] <MilhousePunkRock> What is responsible for the cpu speed bar in the tooltip of the power manager?
[07:31] <Daskreech> ksysguard
[07:31] <Daskreech> oh wait :)
[07:31] <Daskreech> read that rong
[07:31] <Daskreech> wrong
[07:32] <MilhousePunkRock> Daskreech: Well, let's just take the emptiness of that bar as an indicator that speedstepping is not working here anymore...
[07:32] <pollyo> I installed beryl.  Do I have to reboot or restart to use it?
[07:32] <Daskreech> pollyo: just x
[07:33] <kalorin> I liked the one that was in xbuntu better than that ksysguard deal
[07:33] <pollyo> Daskreech: Cant I type CTRL-something-something to do that or should I log out and relogin to restart x?
[07:33] <kalorin> 3 verticle bars, cpu, memory, and disk/io/ethernet/whatever
[07:33] <Daskreech> pollyo: have anythign to save?
[07:33] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[07:33] <philphoto> what is the partition editor built into feisty?  I can't find one.
[07:34] <pollyo> Daskreech: I'm writing an ISO file to CD but after that I do not have anything to save.
[07:34] <Daskreech> qtparted
[07:34] <Daskreech> pollyo: when that's done just ctrl+alt+bkspc
[07:34] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: So you should wait until that's done
[07:34] <pollyo> Ok.  Thanks.
[07:34] <philphoto> gotcha.  its just not in the app menu
[07:35] <Jucato> philphoto: it's only installed by default on the Desktop CD
[07:35] <philphoto> aha!
[07:35] <philphoto> so now i can choose?
[07:36] <Jucato> GParted, QtParted or command line? sure
[07:36] <philphoto> I like gparted.  is there any benefit of one over the other?
[07:36] <Daskreech> !partition
[07:36] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:37] <pollyo> Ok.
[07:37] <Daskreech> MilhousePunkRock: good idea
[07:37] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: Got your eye candy now?
[07:37] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: No
[07:38] <pollyo> A program closed unexpectedly. "artsd" any idea what that is?
[07:38] <MilhousePunkRock> philphoto: If you need more than four partitions, you will most likely need to go to the cli and deal with fdisk or cfdisk
[07:38] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: The KDE sound system
[07:38] <pollyo> Hmmmm....
[07:38] <pollyo> Should the eye candy have started automatically?
[07:39] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: Did you at least see the beryl splash?
[07:39] <MilhousePunkRock> I dont really remember how much of beryl is started by default
[07:39] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: I did not take notice of any new splash.
[07:39] <MilhousePunkRock> what about Alt-F2 and "beryl-manager", pollyo?
[07:39] <pollyo> Will I find any Beryl config programs in the K menu?
[07:39] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: IIRC it was in the system tray
[07:40] <Daskreech> intelikey: you know that stuff rots your retinas right?
[07:40] <intelikey> backing up at a whooping rate of  2.85 MB/s    hehhe
[07:40] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey!
[07:40] <pollyo> Something crashed...
[07:40] <intelikey> Daskreech is that why i need glasses ?
[07:40] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock :)
[07:40] <Daskreech> no the cli is why ou need glasses
[07:40] <MilhousePunkRock> intelikey: We need glasses because we are nerds...
[07:40] <Daskreech>  what resolution does that run at anyway?
[07:40] <pollyo> I do see the beryl in the taskbar now
[07:40] <Daskreech> pollyo: right click it
[07:40] <Daskreech> you can choose your window manager
[07:41] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: I think you can switch the windows manager from KWin to Beryl there
[07:41] <Daskreech> see if it has a choice of beryl
[07:41] <MilhousePunkRock> IIRC it would be called "emerald"
[07:41] <Daskreech> Jucato: does kubuntu have the one touch desktop effects as well?
[07:41] <pollyo> I have four choices for windows manager
[07:41] <Jucato> Daskreech: nope
[07:41] <MilhousePunkRock> Daskreech: One touch desktop?
[07:41] <Daskreech> Jucato: was it planned to?
[07:42] <pollyo> Beryl, Compiz, Metacity, Kwin...
[07:42] <philphoto> I really want to create a separate profile here and make it identical to Vista.  I can be the first cool person on my block to have a WORKING version when they come over.  muahahaha
[07:42] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: there's a menu in Ubuntu to enable Compiz
[07:42] <intelikey> Daskreech resolution ?    anything from  50 columns by 12 lines    to  180 columns by 70 lines   on this box.
[07:42] <Jucato> Daskreech: not sure. probably not
[07:42] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: That's overload for sure
[07:42] <Daskreech> intelikey: how do you change that?
[07:42] <MilhousePunkRock> But you can pick beryl from there
[07:42] <pollyo> Can I do away with a few of those?
[07:42] <intelikey> SvgaTextMode
[07:42] <Daskreech> Jucato: man I'm so going to get laughed at in the office
[07:43] <pollyo> Are they slowing my system down having those 4 options listed?
[07:43] <Daskreech> intelikey: command?
[07:43] <Jucato> pollyo: no. because you can't have more than 1 window manager running at one time
[07:43] <pollyo> Jucato: Ok.  Thank you.
[07:43] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: Probably not, but why would you need both metacity and kwin? or compiz and beryl? make up your mind
[07:43] <pollyo> I have two Adept Notifer in the bar at the bottom.  One is a green orb and the other is a crash symbol
[07:43] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: he probably has GNOME/Ubuntu installed as well
[07:43] <intelikey> Daskreech you have to install it first.    and edit /etc/Textconfig  for your hardware  then it's     stm <size>
[07:43] <MilhousePunkRock> The basic linux rule is still KISS, isn't it?
[07:44] <Daskreech> intelikey: neat so I cam make things too small for me to read and change it back?
[07:44] <Jucato> and Compiz and Beryl aren't technically "duplicates"... but well...
[07:44] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: The "crash" symbol is a notifier that updates are available
[07:44] <Daskreech> MilhousePunkRock: no that's the unix rule
[07:44] <pollyo> Jucato: Yes, I have Gnome ubuntu installed as well.
[07:44] <Daskreech> the linux rule is penguins chhhaaarrggee1111
[07:44] <Daskreech> s/1111/!!!!!/
[07:44] <intelikey> Daskreech yes.   but i sujest you make a restore script   cause you can select modes that don't work.
[07:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Daskreech: s/!!!!/oneoneeleven
[07:45] <MilhousePunkRock> ;-)
[07:45] <Daskreech> intelikey: how do you run the restore script if thigns don't  work?
[07:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Daskreech: Ever noticed there are no penguins in Kubuntu?
[07:45] <Daskreech> MilhousePunkRock: heh hang out here more and see some of the crazy thigns I get up to
[07:45] <Daskreech> MilhousePunkRock: there are no anythings on kubuntu
[07:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Gears!
[07:46] <pollyo> Why isn't the green ball where it was before?  Now it is in the list of windows when before it was over with the sound and network connection information.
[07:46] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: Enabled beryl by now?
[07:46] <MilhousePunkRock> If so, that's what you get... It's still not mature...
[07:46] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: The gem is in the taskbar.
[07:47] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: I haven't done anything with it yet though.
[07:47] <Daskreech> not even gears for the past few releases
[07:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Daskreech: I used to be a regular here...
[07:47] <intelikey> Daskreech assuming 80x25 works for you   echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\nstm 80x25' > ~/x ;chmod 755 ~/x       and if you blank your screen just do ~/x
[07:47] <intelikey> oh better add   -a in the stm line of that.
[07:47] <pollyo> I do not think that beryl is going to run with my current setup though.
[07:48] <pollyo> I will have to check my drivers.
[07:48] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: You should have done that before...
[07:48] <Daskreech> intelikey: ah I'd probably ~/bin/gdit
[07:48] <pollyo> Maybe my video card is toooo old or not powerful enough.
[07:48] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: What are your system specs?
[07:48] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: Yes.  true.
[07:48] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: Old. <grin>
[07:48] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: I am sure it is way below specs.
[07:48] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: PIII, NV TNT2 ....
[07:48] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: 256 Megs Ram
[07:49] <intelikey> Daskreech if that's in you path.  just a way to get      stm -a 80x25   or what ever, without having to guess at what you typed.
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Although they say berly is not that demanding, I used to run it on my desktop (Athlon XP 2400+, 1 GB RAM, GeForce 6600 GT 128 MB) and it was just plain unuseable
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> pollyo: Haha... Good luck...
[07:50] <intelikey> Daskreech the config file is long   but don't just think it will work without editing     it wont
[07:51] <Daskreech> intelikey: aight :-)
[07:52] <pollyo> Ok.. Beryl was a bad idea to jump into without looking at it first. <grin>
[07:52] <kalorin> heh
[07:53] <MilhousePunkRock> ping
[07:53] <MilhousePunkRock> ping
[07:53] <posingaspopular> MilhousePunkRock, who are you pingin?
[07:53] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: I wanted to start with compiz...
[07:54] <pollyo> MilhousePunkRock: <Grin>
[07:54] <pollyo> Anyone know about NV drivers?
[07:54] <Agent_bob> Daskreech can you grab that script ?
[07:55] <pollyo> OpenGL version string: 1.5.3 NVIDIA 71.84
[07:55] <Daskreech> apparently not
[07:55] <posingaspopular> !nvidia
[07:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:55] <pollyo>   If your version is 9631 (see above) or higher then you can skip this and move on to the section entitled "Modifying your xorg.conf file".
[07:55] <Moby_python> has anybody here gotten an atheros wireless card to work
[07:55] <Agent_bob> firewall in the way i guess
[07:56] <pollyo> I'm going to have to wait and look at this another day.
[07:56] <pollyo> It is suggesting some serous changes.
[07:57] <Moby_python> I cannot load mad wifi with the kubuntu feisty upgrade
[07:57] <pollyo> BBL
[07:58] <Daskreech> night all!!!
[07:58] <Mantis> hello all...I just did a fresh install of kubuntu 6.06 on another partition so I could dual boot, and I gan't get the linux bootloader to show up instead of booting immediatly to windows
[07:59] <Agent_bob> !grub
[07:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:59] <Agent_bob> see the first link ^ it's apropos
[07:59] <Mantis> thanks
[08:00] <BartSimpson|Away> bbl
[08:05] <Moby_python> Well my desktop wont let me install k3b 1.0, probably will work if I install feisty.
[08:05] <Moby_python> My laptop won't let me use my wifi card because I installed feisty
[08:07] <Agent_bob> da feisty grips channel is  #ubuntu+1   :)
[08:07] <Agent_bob> gripes
[08:07] <Agent_bob> gropes ?
[08:07] <poningru> ...
[08:07] <Agent_bob> groups ?
[08:07] <poningru> Agent_bob: lets not go farther
[08:08] <Agent_bob> ok.
[08:09] <Agent_bob> ah in the dark.
[08:09] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:10] <dwidmann> Moby_python: if you really need k3b 1.0 in edgy, you could compile it yourself.
[08:11] <Moby_python> dwidmann I am trying, first it was qt, now I"ve got qt okay and it is complaining about my kde prefix
[08:12] <M4ntis> okay, I tried to fix grub using the live cd terminal trick, but when I try to do find /boot/grub/stage1 it says file not found.....this happened the last time I installed
[08:14] <Erb_> can somebody please tell me how I can register for a channel (##php)?
[08:14] <Rictoo> hey
[08:14] <Rictoo> who wants to play a game of uno with a java irc bot I just made?
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> !register
[08:14] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[08:14] <Rictoo> who wants to play a game of uno with a java irc bot I just made?
[08:14] <Rictoo> =D
[08:17] <philphoto> ok, i'm just about to get this mount command down.  now, I want to mount /dev/sdc1 in media.  would that look like mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/media  ?
[08:17] <M4ntis> Is there any manual solution to grub not installing with kubuntu?  Grub didn't load into linux because it is apparently not there
[08:17] <philphoto> I've looked at the page & it's not straigtforward about it
[08:21] <philphoto> M4ntis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveryAfterInstallingWindows
[08:22] <M4ntis> yea, I tried the standard stuff, I think I need to install grub manually though
[08:22] <philphoto> oh, it didn't find it?
[08:22] <M4ntis> yea /boot/grub/stage1 wasn't found
[08:23] <philphoto> not at all, huh?
[08:23] <M4ntis> this hapened when I installed earlier, and I have no idea why
[08:23] <philphoto> how many drives do you have?
[08:23] <M4ntis> two
[08:23] <philphoto> do you know your BIOS well?
[08:24] <M4ntis> somewhat
[08:24] <philphoto> what is loaded on hd0?
[08:24] <philphoto> Windows?
[08:24] <M4ntis> yea
[08:25] <philphoto> any RAID devices?
[08:25] <M4ntis> nope
[08:26] <philphoto> your grub should be in hd0.  did you recently do a clean install of everything?
[08:26] <M4ntis> I've had windows installed for a long time, I was going to try to add kubuntu, and this is where I am
[08:27] <philphoto> I'd say just re-install if you haven't gotten anywhere with kubuntu configurations
[08:27] <philphoto> are you using feisty?
[08:27] <chipbuddy> does anyone know of a simple calendar program for gnome? i found the evolution one, but i'd prefer something simpler
[08:27] <M4ntis> well, this is the second install of kubuntu today :(
[08:27] <philphoto> oh man.  sorry.
[08:28] <philphoto> I'm linux n00b as well, but have learned way too much over the last week.
[08:28] <M4ntis> same problem both times. so I have no idea :-/
[08:28] <philphoto> but I hear you.
[08:28] <philphoto> have you done a cd check of the live cd?
[08:28] <M4ntis> yep, its fine
[08:28] <philphoto> wierd.
[08:29] <M4ntis> well
[08:29] <M4ntis> looking at fdisk linux got installed on my second harddrive so that could be the problem
[08:30] <philphoto> but you should have been able to find grub
[08:30] <philphoto> and it should have been in hd0 if you did a standard install
[08:32] <philphoto> I tried a windows install today.  it overwrote my grub.  then there was some problem that made it so I could not boot my linux drive.
[08:32] <philphoto> I did a clean sweep & then reinstall of feisty, not that I recommend that though
[08:33] <M4ntis> If I didn't have so much data I'd do a totally clean instal, but I can afford that right now :(
[08:33] <philphoto> I have everything saved on an external drive
[08:33] <philphoto> totally.
[08:34] <M4ntis> hey this guide is giving me commands that are actualyl making the terminal do something, maybe I'm getting somewhere
[08:34] <philphoto> which one?
[08:34] <Chemicalvamp> should i close everything while im upgrading from edgy to fiesty fawn?
[08:35] <M4ntis> using the live CD to overwrite the windows bootloader heh
[08:35] <philphoto> you want a dual bootable system though, correct?
[08:36] <M4ntis> yea, I don't think this will work :(
[08:36] <philphoto> you might want to, it's a really big leap
[08:36] <Chemicalvamp> i ran duel boot for a little while
[08:36] <Chemicalvamp> but i didnt have to change any settings
[08:37] <philphoto> did you get much saved on edgy?
[08:37] <Chemicalvamp> philphoto, me?
[08:37] <philphoto> chemicalvamp:  yes.  I mean, did you configure it all to your likings?
[08:38] <Chemicalvamp> yeah i said screw it, formatted everything wiped it all out
[08:38] <M4ntis> what's teh difference between /dev/hda and /dev/sda?
[08:38] <philphoto> because it took me 2 hours to do the upgrade, I'd recommend the very quick full install of the iso image from cd
[08:38] <Chemicalvamp> but like i was going to tell m4ntis, while i had that "system restore volume" kubuntu asked me what i wanted to boot
[08:38] <ffffu> !replacement
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about replacement - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <ffffu> !applications
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about applications - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <Chemicalvamp> !botsnack
[08:39] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:39] <ffffu> !photoshop
[08:39] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[08:39] <M4ntis> well...I installed grub...I think lol
[08:39] <M4ntis> this is like some twisted puzzel, its kinda fun despite the fact that I may have just wiped out windows
[08:40] <philphoto> no, windows is still probably there
[08:40] <Chemicalvamp> well if you dont have any attachment who cares?
[08:40] <philphoto> exactly
[08:40] <Chemicalvamp> i dont miss windows
[08:40] <M4ntis> my homework cares haha
[08:40] <philphoto> I definitely don't
[08:40] <M4ntis> but it's backed up so its okay
[08:41] <ffffu> any nice games for kde like bowling etc?
[08:41] <philphoto> M4ntis: hda is what a hard drive will be labelled as when it has other than ext partitions, I believe
[08:41] <Chemicalvamp> what i would try is boot a desktop cd, install do partitions 200mb boot/ 2-3gb swap/ 40gb root/ 30gb windoze
[08:42] <forham> Chemicalvamp,
[08:42] <Chemicalvamp> yeah
[08:42] <philphoto> sda will be a hd with full ext partition and linux-swap
[08:42] <forham> hi
[08:42] <M4ntis> well, I'm going to try to reboot again.  If not I'll play with it after class tomorrow.  Thanks guys
[08:42] <Chemicalvamp> hello
[08:42] <philphoto> nno prob
[08:43] <philphoto> if I can help someone by telling my recent stories of mistakes, I've done good
[08:43] <M4ntis> haha, :)
[08:43] <Chemicalvamp> so yeah phil after all that "trying to keep my backups" i realized there was c onflict with my hda2 (vfat windows partition) and decided it was all fubar
[08:43] <M4ntis> well here's hoping it helped!  night!
[08:44] <philphoto> I had the same thing
[08:44] <philphoto> night
[08:44] <Chemicalvamp> 77% installed fiestyfawn
[08:44] <philphoto> nice
[08:44] <philphoto> you mean 77% downloaded?
[08:44] <Chemicalvamp> no installed
[08:44] <Chemicalvamp> it took like 4 hours to dl it
[08:45] <Chemicalvamp> 855 packages lol
[08:45] <philphoto> sweet.  once you reboot, you'll notice a big difference if you thought edgy was slow (it was horrible slow here)
[08:45] <philphoto> oh my goodness
[08:45] <Chemicalvamp> it was like 3 removed, 60 new, 765 upgraded
[08:45] <philphoto> oh you did the upgrade.  the slow route.
[08:46] <philphoto> the install takes like 20 minutes.
[08:46] <Chemicalvamp> eh? i dk.. i just did https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[08:46] <philphoto> yup, that's the long one.
[08:46] <philphoto> no worries.
[08:46] <Chemicalvamp> oh wellz lol
[08:46] <philphoto> it's a good update
[08:47] <philphoto> I'm liking feisty.  I have to configure my scanners and printer again, but it seems a bunch faster than edgy kubuntu
[08:48] <duffyd> howdy, just following the tutorial here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JapaneseInput?highlight=%28japanese%29 to setup Japanese support in kubuntu
[08:48] <philphoto> so I have this spare CPU & 1gb ram.  I'm going to get a new mobo & make myself a terabyte+ server for my photography
[08:48] <Chemicalvamp> i wont know what i need to do till its done, this is after i installed eclipse and tried (tried being the operative word) to get it to work
[08:48] <duffyd> just wondering if there's something I should be aware of - i.e. is the uim_anthy input method the recommended approach for kde?
[08:48] <philphoto> do you have an ATI graphics card?
[08:49] <Chemicalvamp> i got 2.2ghz 1g ram 80gb hdd and yes i have ati radeon 200m video card
[08:49] <philphoto> don't know duffyd.  apologies
[08:49] <duffyd> philphoto: np
[08:49] <philphoto> chemicalvamp: was edgy slow for you?
[08:50] <Chemicalvamp> no not realy
[08:50] <philphoto> it was horrible over here.  I have an older ati radeon though so perhaps that was it.
[08:50] <philphoto> like 30 seconds to open an app
[08:50] <Chemicalvamp> mines a laptop amd64
[08:51] <Chemicalvamp> gonna try that vmware with my windows mce
[08:51] <philphoto> ah, nice.    you had no problem because of the amd64 arch
[08:51] <duffyd> I'm on edgy on a Dell 640m with 2Gb RAM and a dual core - runs nice
[08:52] <supernix> I have a problem I did a upgrade a while back and now my Kubuntu dist is trying to use the gdm instead of the kdm
[08:52] <philphoto> feisty is running really well so far here.
[08:53] <Chemicalvamp> man its late work is gonna suck!
[08:54] <philphoto> I have to get up in a few hours too.  yuk
[08:54] <Chemicalvamp> awe cmon installer has been at 2 mintes remaining for like 5 minutes
[08:54] <philphoto> that stinks.
[08:56] <Chemicalvamp> 99% is always the longest % lol
[08:57] <philphoto> like that last dollar at the gas pump is the longest 2 minutes of your life.
[08:58] <Chemicalvamp> awe man
[08:58] <Chemicalvamp> window title.. "upgrader crashed"
[08:59] <roberto> buenas
[08:59] <roberto> alguien tiene un manual de comandos para la consola de linux
[08:59] <roberto> ?
[09:00] <roberto> que estoy empezando ahora y lo necesito
[09:00] <Chemicalvamp> !es
[09:00] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:00] <roberto> gracias
[09:01] <kraut> moin
[09:01] <Chemicalvamp> es nada
[09:02] <Chemicalvamp> brb
[09:03] <ffffu> !suse
[09:03] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[09:04] <c1|freaky> !linux
[09:04] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[09:04] <ffffu> can i ask something about sources.list ?
[09:04] <ffffu> why do i have to edit the souces.list manually after installation to remove the # beside some of the deb ?
[09:05] <ffffu> are they there for some purposes?
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> ffffu: yes some repositories don't need to be on by default
[09:06] <philphoto> you are allowing adept, synaptic, whatever   to access the universe/multiverse in order to have access to thousands more applications.
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> for example, backports is a repo that can cause dependency issues but has useful applications like Flash 9
[09:07] <philphoto> ok folks, it's 3am.  oy.
[09:11] <ffffu> are ther special reasons?
[09:11] <ffffu> oh
[09:11] <ffffu> because by default i would uncomment them all
[09:11] <ffffu> and add a mujltiverse
[09:11] <ffffu> behind
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> ffffu: that might cause a lot of issues
[09:12] <ffffu> anyway, i saw screenshots on others desktop..they have a icon apps selection thing that they rollover their mouse and the icon turns big..what is it?
[09:13] <ffffu> what issues?
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> ffffu: i think you are thinking about the new Feisty action
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> ffffu: dependency issues for one
[09:13] <Boomshiki> Hey, I am installing Kubuntu on a friends computer. On mine, I could apt-get kpackage but on his computer it's not finding it. What's the deal?
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> Boomshiki: that package is in universe
[09:14] <ffffu> no infact those screenshots are taken awhile back..i think they were saying its under gnome environment..but could i have that on kde?
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> its new in KDE, not sure which screenshots you are refering to though
[09:16] <ffffu> http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2gc9.png
[09:16] <ffffu> is that gdesklets?
[09:18] <Boomshiki> Do you know why Kpackage would not come up in a search in Universe is like a default repo?
[09:18] <ffffu> why?
[09:18] <ubuntu_> alright. so that sucked
[09:19] <chemicalvamp> installed the 6.10 - 7.04 upgrade and reboted to a comand line..
[09:19] <Boomshiki> Alright. Thanx.
[09:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Boomshiki: unless you have universe enabled, it wont
[09:19] <tarelerulz_> What linux did everyone start out with? mine was Gentooxon on my xbox and then Fedora Core 4 on my computer
[09:20] <Admiral_Chicago> also, you may need to sudo apt-get update
[09:20] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic | tarelerulz_
[09:20] <ubotu> tarelerulz_: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:21] <chemicalvamp> what command am i supposed to run to start / fix my fiesty install?
[09:21] <ubuntu_> Hi all
[09:21] <chemicalvamp> !hi
[09:21] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:21] <ffffu> http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2gc9.png <-- the thing at bottom what is it called?
[09:21] <tarelerulz_> What up ubuntu
[09:22] <BaJLkaTa> i am from bulgaria ^^
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> ffffu: that is a modified panel
[09:22] <BaJLkaTa> what is he bulgarian network,do you know ?
[09:22] <BaJLkaTa> the*
[09:22] <ffffu> can i do it in kde? i'm using kunbutu edgy now
[09:22] <ffffu> that looks cool
[09:22] <BaJLkaTa> i think yes
[09:23] <Admiral_Chicago> probably want an OS theming guide or something
[09:23] <chemicalvamp> Admiral_Chicago, what distro do you run?
[09:23] <Admiral_Chicago> chemicalvamp: Kubuntu.
[09:24] <chemicalvamp> got any knowlage on the 7.04 upgrade?
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> I run Feisty atm, no issues, it is a solid release but thats just my opinion
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> may not work for you
[09:25] <ffffu> !theme
[09:25] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[09:25] <chemicalvamp> i followed all the instructions on the site
[09:29] <firecrotch> Anyone know of a way to get a transparent background for kooldock ?
[09:29] <MetaMorfoziS> beryl.
[09:30] <ubuntu> arkadalar
[09:30] <ubuntu> merhaba
[09:31] <firecrotch> MetaMorfoziS: I'm using beryl, and I can't find a way to make it transparent
[09:31] <ubuntu> kubuntu kurdum ama grup ayarlarn nasl aabilirim  u anda alan cd deyim yardmc olurmusunuz
[09:31] <ubuntu> ????
[09:31] <MetaMorfoziS> alt and mouse wheel
[09:31] <MetaMorfoziS> that can set anything to transparent
[09:31] <MetaMorfoziS> iirc
[09:32] <firecrotch> kooldock isn't like a normal window though
[09:32] <ubuntu> trke bilen yokmu yardm edecek
[09:32] <MetaMorfoziS> oh, shit.. true.. then i don't know:)
[09:33] <manu_> hi @ all
[09:33] <firecrotch> Hi, manu_
[09:34] <manu_> i made the driver for my webcam working but i have noc picture in camorama :(
[09:35] <manu_> firecrotch: http://paste.debian.net/24833 here dmesg
[09:35] <Ind[y] > I want to run 3 commands (I can make them one with &&) after everything else runs, on boot. How can I do this?
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> Konversation is sweet
[09:43] <firecrotch> What's so "sweet" about it, Admiral_Chicago
[09:43] <Admiral_Chicago> firecrotch: On Screen Display really
[09:52] <ffffu> !hi
[09:52] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:53] <dromer> hi, can anyone recomend me mathematical/thermodynamics-software for linux?
[09:53] <manu_> no one can help me?
[09:53] <ffffu> manu_: what webcam?
[09:53] <manu_> ffffu: aiptek slim3200
[09:53] <manu_>  http://paste.debian.net/24833
[09:57] <shinigami> !webcam
[09:57] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:57] <shinigami> dromer: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html <scroll down to section 9..or search for math
[09:58] <supernix> help gnome has robbed me of my kde
[10:00] <firecrotch> supernix: What do you mean?
[10:01] <supernix> well I have been trying my best to restore kdm to be the default login manager it was changed after a upgrade a month back and I decided to correct the problem
[10:01] <dromer> thnx shinigami !
[10:02] <supernix> but now all my attempts have left me with a text boot screen and gnome as the default window manager
[10:02] <shinigami> dromer: welcome!
[10:02] <shinigami> supernix: hi do u check the rcX.d ?
[10:02] <shinigami> !rc.d
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <shinigami> !startup
[10:02] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[10:02] <supernix> nope
[10:03] <shinigami> so u want kdm to start up?
[10:03] <supernix> yes
[10:03] <supernix> kdm with the default desktop being Kubuntu
[10:03] <supernix> um kde
[10:04] <dromer> shinigami: not much on chemical thermodynamics though ;)
[10:05] <shinigami> can u try startx first supernix?
[10:05] <shinigami> dromer: haha..sorry..
[10:05] <supernix> yes that is the only way I get any desktop going
[10:05] <supernix> I have to login term style then run startx
[10:05] <shinigami> supernix: alright.. does it have gnome running?
[10:05] <supernix> yes
[10:05] <supernix> it shoots gnome right up after I type it
[10:06] <shinigami> so u need to remove the gnome screen by using update-rc.d
[10:06] <shinigami> i know how to remove kdm by update-rc.d -f kdm remove
[10:06] <shinigami> and adding back using update-rc.d kdm start 99 5 . stop 01 0 1 2 3 4 6 .
[10:07] <supernix> so you type update-rc.d kdm start 99 5 . stop 01 0 1 2 3 4 6 to restore kdm ?
[10:07] <shinigami> wait gimmi a moment
[10:09] <narg> KDE is detecting ctrl+alt+f1-f11 as fx+10 (aka f1 is f11), and it is messing with my vt's. Anyone seen this problem before?
[10:11] <shinigami> supernix: u need to update-rc.d -f gdm remove (do this in root)
[10:12] <shinigami> supernix: after that update-rc.d kdm defaults
[10:12] <phantom20> can anyone tell me how can i get winmodems working on kubuntu?
[10:14] <supernix> Gosh thanks shinigami I sure hope this nukes it
[10:14] <supernix> will reboot wish me luck
[10:16] <shinigami> haha..good luck
[10:17] <shinigami> !modem
[10:17] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[10:17] <shinigami> !modem > phantom20
[10:18] <shinigami> !modem | phantom20
[10:18] <ubotu> phantom20: please see above
[10:18] <phantom20> yeah,winmodems
[10:18] <shinigami> yeah
[10:18] <shinigami> go to that link
[10:18] <shinigami> narg: rephrase the problem?
[10:18] <phantom20> thanks
[10:19] <shinigami> welcome
[10:19] <narg> shinigami: basicly X is translating ctrl+alt+f1 into ctrl+alt+f11 and I don't know why
[10:19] <mrigns> !bug#1
[10:19] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[10:20] <shinigami> u mean u see something else when u press ctrl-alt-f1 instead ?
[10:20] <shinigami> !tty
[10:20] <ubotu> To get to the tty terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).
[10:21] <shinigami> narg: what do u see ps aux | grep tty ? do u see ur tty1 ?
[10:21] <narg> yes...
[10:21] <narg> The problem isn't the ttys, the problem is x isn't letting me use the f1-f6 stortcuts
[10:22] <narg> Hrm, even xev detects it as f11
[10:22] <shinigami> oooooo u using beryl under aiglx?
[10:22] <narg> nerp
[10:22] <narg> vanilla x
[10:23] <shinigami> sorry i'm not familiar with that..i only know kde and gnome..
[10:23] <narg> Thanks anyway ;)
[10:23] <shinigami> but erm if i'm logging in a aiglx session in kde i would face the problem too
[10:23] <narg> Its a lower level problem than I thought
[10:23] <shinigami> supernix: how? can't?
[10:24] <phantom20> thnks guys,keep up the good work.we love u
[10:25] <supernix> shinigami: after I rebooted I still got a text mode login screen
[10:25] <server__> I just installed my first linux ever :P
[10:26] <server__> bbl
[10:26] <shinigami> supernix: it used to boot up in gnome?
[10:29] <intelikey> well debian is too big of a down load for me to install now.   i guess i'll use what i've got  dog gone it.
[10:32] <shinigami2> ops
[10:33] <Tm_T> shinigami2: obs?
[10:34] <intelikey> oos ?
[10:34] <Tm_T> intelikey: hmm, maybe oops
[10:34] <shinigami2> shinigami: <-- dc
[10:34] <intelikey> yeah it was.
[10:34] <shinigami2> !ping
[10:34] <ubotu> pong
[10:35] <intelikey> !pong
[10:35] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[10:35] <server__> does anyone know how I you use the 3d desktop? do I have to set it or just hold in some buttons?
[10:35] <shinigami2> !games
[10:35] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[10:35] <shinigami2> ahh..entertainment
[10:37] <shinigami2> don't they have bowling game or something
[10:40] <seven11> what is the default path for the desktop trash
[10:41] <intelikey> .local/*   i think
[10:42] <intelikey> i don't use a desktop so i really don't know
[10:43] <intelikey> cp -ax /* /mnt/
[10:44] <seven11> yes ~/.local/share
[10:44] <intelikey> i thought   i didn't know       <<< figure that one out any way you like.
[10:46] <intelikey> krap .    cp: cannot copy a directory, `/mnt', into itself, `/mnt/mnt'
[10:46] <intelikey> cp -ax /* /mnt/    should not do that.
[10:46] <intelikey> genii thanks.
[10:47] <adrian99> Im having a slight problem, when I try to go to the phpmyadmin page or my forums page it opens a download of a php file rather then loading the page any idea why?
[10:47] <genii> intelikey Heh! It's not for cleaning your equipment
[10:47] <intelikey> oh !
[10:48] <manu_> wo kann ich hilfe zu camorama bekommen?
[10:48] <ffffu> zz /.local/share/Trash/files
[10:48] <adrian99> Im having a slight problem, when I try to go to the phpmyadmin page or my forums page it opens a download of a php file rather then loading the page any idea why?
[10:48] <manu_> ops sry wrong chan
[10:48] <manu_> where can i get help for camorama?
[10:48] <genii> adrian99: A few things. It may be no php is installed. Maybe the file is not executable or not in an apache dir where things get executed.
[10:49] <adrian99> well its the weirdest thing Ive seen and first time its happened to me
[10:49] <intelikey> or some "setup" script needs ran
[10:50] <genii> intelikey: No, it would still try to execute the php
[10:50] <genii> just without any kind of default values for the phpmyadmin
[10:51] <adrian99> hmm brb I gotta restart kdm
[10:51] <vvv> i tried to enter this command.. echo 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list                into my terminal.. but it says premission denied.. does anyone know the reason for this?
[10:52] <intelikey> genii was it you that told me that i had to use  --one-file-system  cause -x is not working ?
[10:52] <genii> intelikey: Nope :)
[10:52] <intelikey> well make a note of it.      it's true.
[10:53] <genii> will do
[10:53] <intelikey> cp does not recognize -x
[10:54] <supernix> Hi I have the idea that maybe if I upgrade to Kubuntu 6.10 that might solve my kdm issue
[10:54] <supernix> anyone know how to upgrade from 6.06 lts to the 6.10 ?
[10:54] <intelikey> !upgrade
[10:54] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:54] <vvv> thanks tutuff i'll try another command
[10:56] <genii> adrian99: Anyhow, for php test make a file containing:
[10:56] <genii> <?php
[10:56] <genii> phpinfo();
[10:56] <genii> ?>
[10:56] <genii> Then save it as something like test.php to /var/www and chmod +x the file. Then see what it does when you point your browser at it
[10:56] <genii> Darn he left
[10:56] <adrian99> k
[10:56] <adrian99> lol
[10:56] <genii> Ah yer back
[10:57] <adrian99> yea I just installed my vid drive to I had to restart kdm lol
[10:57] <genii> If you still get where it shows as text or wants to d/l it lemme know
[10:57] <vvv> how do i become the root tutuff?
[10:59] <adrian99> yea it wants to save it....Im thinking something got left out when I mass installed the packages
[11:00] <vvv> could anyone tell me how to become the root user?
[11:00] <genii> adrian99: try sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5
[11:00] <genii> (if apache2 is the server)
[11:01] <adrian99> yeps
[11:02] <adrian99> ah there we go works now lol
[11:03] <adrian99> thanks for the help : )
[11:03] <genii> np
[11:03] <adrian99> Im used to using the server install so Ive never really had to configure much but my PSU for my server fried so Im running my site off my main machine
[11:04] <genii> adrian99: Yeah you may get some weirdnesses then. you likely want to install the perl module for apache as well
[11:05] <adrian99> yea Im not even sure lol
[11:06] <intelikey> well i just installed boot loaders on four disks i should now be able to play musical boot loaders as long is desired.....
[11:06] <intelikey> as is ^
[11:07] <intelikey> think i'll test them all right quick.
[11:08] <genii> adrian99 If you have some dev directory you put php or perl code in you may want to make an alias for it also in : /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default   file (as root edit)
[11:08] <vvv> does anyone know what i have to do.. to get a movie to play as my desktop wallpaper
[11:08] <genii> with +ExecCGI
[11:08] <genii> why the hell would you even want to do that???
[11:09] <adrian99> wow that would be ram intensive lol
[11:09] <manu_> http://paste.debian.net/24839
[11:09] <vvv> i have dual monitors always thought it would be fun to do.. saw a few videos of people doing it
[11:09] <manu_> i've installed my webcam correctly but i cant get any pciture
[11:09] <manu_> also not in camorama
[11:10] <adrian99> crap lol of course phpnuke is gonna make me re-install before I can restore the DB
[11:10] <genii> adrian99:  I hope you did a dumpdb
[11:10] <adrian99> oh yea
[11:10] <genii> good
[11:10] <adrian99> Ive learned the hard way lol
[11:11] <genii> vvv I'm not so sure they are using a movie as the background rather than just using the second monitor to just play movies in full-screen mode
[11:12] <intelikey> hmmmm  hdb failed to boot...   got the ole   lololololololololol
[11:12] <adrian99> Ive used phpBB, smf and could not figure out drupal but phpNuke seems pretty decent overall
[11:12] <genii> adrian99: I'm not crazy about drupal either. phpbb is nice tho
[11:13] <adrian99> yea Im curious to see the final release of phpBB3
[11:13] <genii> adrian If you like php based stuff check out phprojekt
[11:14] <adrian99> will have to look into it
[11:14] <genii> Also Horde framework
[11:15] <adrian99> Im always interested in trying new softwares : )
[11:17] <adrian99> with a DB dump so long as the original directory is kept my forum should work once the DB is imported shouldn't it
[11:18] <genii> adrian99 With a raw dump you should even be able to import the table into whatever db program not neccesarily mysql
[11:20] <adrian99> hmm well it appears everything is running lamp settings so its odd that I get a blank page from my forums even after importing the DB
[11:21] <genii> adrian99:  Did you restart the db server?
[11:21] <adrian99> hmm that may be it
[11:22] <adrian99> nope didn't fix it
[11:23] <adrian99> * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                 [ ok ] 
[11:23] <adrian99>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                 [ ok ] 
[11:23] <adrian99>  * Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.
[11:25] <genii> restart apache as well
[11:25] <adrian99> didn't work :S
[11:25] <genii> There is some initital mysql command to create the initial dirs etc but I forget which atm
[11:26] <genii> initdb ?? Somesuch
[11:27] <genii> no I think thats postgre
[11:27] <genii> intelikey Any interesting finds? LOL
[11:27] <adrian99> Im not sure but its not working :S
[11:28] <intelikey> i didn't know that was in there....
[11:28] <intelikey> a few grey hair
[11:30] <genii> adrian99: Does the dir /var/db/mysql exist?
[11:31] <adrian99> nope
[11:31] <crazy_bus> can anyone recommend a program that converts images into tiff files?
[11:32] <chijin> why would you do that?
[11:32] <genii> adrian then you need to do the "create first database thing" but i forget atm. It may be somewhere in "man mysqladmin"
[11:33] <genii> adrian99: I am always getting postgre and mysql commands mixed up
[11:33] <DARKMAN_DEV> HI all, here is may first question: Why I cannot use "man" i konsole for "C/C++" languages
[11:33] <crazy_bus> chijin: were you asking me?
[11:34] <chijin> yeah :-p
[11:34] <DARKMAN_DEV> I meen that "man printf" or "man cout" does not work
[11:34] <adrian99> hmm I think theres something I may have to config in the php.ini file so it works with mysql properly
[11:35] <crazy_bus> because tiff is cool :) (and the ocr program only works with them)
[11:37] <genii> DARKMAN_DEV: The manpages are for *commands* available on the system (and some configuration files etc). For command syntax on C/C++ download a reference manual for it
[11:38] <intelikey> DARKMAN_DEV may not be what you want,  but     libstdc++6-doc - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (documentation files)
[11:38] <genii> intelikey Thx
[11:39] <DARKMAN_DEV> Thanks a lot.
[11:39] <intelikey> the package manager is the place to look.
[11:39] <intelikey> for all your ubuntu needs see dpkg
[11:40] <intelikey> via any frontend you choose of course.
[11:41] <adrian99> ok its still not working ....this is quite frustrating :S
[11:42] <genii> adrian99: I'm pretty sure you gotta start off with somethin like su mysql -c "mysqladmin --createdb somedbname "    or so
[11:43] <genii> I know if you run the sql commands as not mysql user there is big probs
[11:43] <CarinArr> adrian99: have you look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[11:44] <adrian99> yeps
[11:44] <intelikey> exit
[11:44] <intelikey> exit
[11:44] <intelikey> exit
[11:44] <intelikey> button borked...
[11:47] <genii> adrian99: You have libapache2-mod-auth-mysql   installed?
[11:47] <adrian99> as far as I know yeps
[11:48] <txabi> Hi, i can't get working a BenQ FP202W LCD monitor with intel 915G at 1680x1050. I get a out of sync error. Tried modelines, faked bios native resolutions with 915resolution. Any hint? Anyone has had success? Thnx.
[11:48] <Thomas`> How do I configure Konqueror so that a single click in the location bar will select all the text in it?
[11:50] <genii> adrian99: How about php5-mysql    ?
[11:50] <adrian99> I believe so
[11:52] <genii> adrian99:  Well, for kicks try sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql  php5-mysql       then restart apache
[11:52] <maki> how can i clean the outdated versions of pakages from /var/cache/apt/arhives
[11:54] <adrian99> I got a dist upgrade going at the moment but I just finished installing phpBB3 beta and it seems to be fine but I can't get my main forum to work
[11:54] <genii> dpkg --forget-old-unavail      might clean em out a little bit for you
[11:54] <genii> ^maki^
[11:55] <intelikey> maki  sudo apt-get clean
[11:56] <intelikey> just get the coffee
[11:56] <intelikey> :)
[11:57] <adrian99> this is the one thing I like better about phpBB2, its so much easier to get things setup and restored
[11:58] <genii> adrian I think I'm still running phpbb 2.14 or so
[11:58] <maki> intelikey:this will clear all data from  /var/cache/apt/arhives or only the old pakages
[11:58] <genii> 2.015 rather :)
[11:59] <intelikey> all
[11:59] <adrian99> I hade been using the most up to date before I swaped to phpNuke but I can deff see the advantages of phpBB over it in the DB area
[11:59] <maki> i dont need that
[12:00] <intelikey> s/clean/autoclean/
[12:00] <intelikey> i must have misunderstood your Q
[12:00] <adrian99> well update finished and I checked those packages and they are installed
[12:01] <intelikey> Jucato
[12:02] <Jucato> hi intelikey
[12:03] <adrian99> crap I need the c header files for vmware
[12:04] <Jucato> genii: please pass me one :)
[12:04] <adrian99> None of the pre-built vmmon modules for VMware Workstation is suitable for your
[12:04] <adrian99> running kernel.  Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for
[12:04] <adrian99> your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)?
[12:06] <genii> heh :)
[12:07] <myTB|Tanuva> is /etc/rc.local executed as root? (so will starting xampp from there work?)
[12:07] <Jucato> adrian99: you need to install 1) build-essential and 2) the linux-headers for your kernel
[12:07] <myTB|Tanuva> Oh I see, it must be executed as root. okay ;D
[12:07] <myTB|Tanuva> (because it belongs to him)
[12:09] <intelikey> myTB|Tanuva yes everything that init starts has uid 0
[12:09] <intelikey> or -1  :)   but we don't talk about that.
[12:09] <genii> shh!
[12:10] <myTB|Tanuva> lol
[12:10] <intelikey> :)
[12:10] <adrian99> thanks Jucato that did the trick : )
[12:11] <Jucato> :)
[12:11] <hyuma> hello all!
[12:11] <hyuma> I've a question, how can I unpack a file.deb to see what there is inside?
[12:12] <adrian99> it will be much easier to get my server back up if I use vmware with a server install lol
[12:12] <mrigns> hyuma: just use ark
[12:12] <Jucato> hyuma: just click on it in Konqueror and it will open it in ark
[12:14] <genii> Yes, it's just tarred
[12:16] <intelikey> what is  Zeese  Cannot find /lib/modules/initramfs.img-2.6.15-28-386 ?
[12:17] <myTB|Tanuva> has anyone of you tried running windows using a xen kernel?
[12:18] <intelikey> i have no idea why  installing  ubuntu-base would be erroring out with that     Cannot find /lib/modules/initramfs.img-2.6.15-28-386
[12:19] <genii> intelikey You can likely fix it by installing linux-image-2.6.15-28-386
[12:20] <intelikey> genii   it's installed
[12:20] <intelikey> that's what is running.
[12:21] <intelikey> Cannot find /lib/modules/initramfs.img-2.6.15-28-386-sda
[12:21] <intelikey> dpkg: error processing udev (--configure):
[12:21] <intelikey>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:21] <intelikey> Linux 2.6.15-28-386 #1 PREEMPT
[12:21] <genii> the -sda  part is interesting
[12:22] <hyuma> thanks mrigns and Jucato, now I try
[12:22] <Thomas`> How do I configure Konqueror so that a single click in the location bar will select all the text in it?
[12:22] <intelikey> yeah i appended that on the initramfs.img file to distinguish it from the one that doesn't support scsi  that boots hda
[12:24] <genii> intelikey: Well just make another one
[12:24] <intelikey> another one what ?
[12:24] <intelikey> genii that's a dpkg error   trying to setup  ubuntu-base
[12:25] <genii> intelikey Looks like it wants just xxxx-2.6.15-28-386   and not -sda
[12:25] <genii> eg: Cannot find /lib/modules/initramfs.img-2.6.15-28-386
[12:26] <CarinArr> or /lib/modules/initramfs.img-2.6.15-28-386
[12:26] <CarinArr> er
[12:26] <intelikey> :)
[12:26] <intelikey> ls  /lib/modules/
[12:26] <CarinArr> or /lib/modules/initramfs.img-2.6.15-28-386 exists and it's looking for one with appended -sda
[12:26] <CarinArr> which does not
[12:26] <x`0ff> hey guys, I've got a problem since I installed my kubunty a couple of days ago..
[12:26] <intelikey> nothing named initram anything exists in there....
[12:27] <intelikey> never has
[12:27] <x`0ff> when I scroll down/up, my screen is like being cut in frames, it does not scroll smoothly
[12:27] <x`0ff> anybody knows what this can be caused by ?
[12:28] <genii> intelikey: Put a symlink there to /boot/ initrd.img-2.6.15-28-386 then
[12:29] <intelikey> genii hehhe it's looking for kernel modules   i fixed it.  but why it was adding initramfs.img   i have no clur.
[12:29] <intelikey> clue
[12:29] <giangiva> Did anybody try compiz on the latest Feisty (with kde-window-decorator)? It seems the magnetic borders are not working anymore... :-(
[12:30] <genii> interesting
[12:30] <adrian99> well vm lamp install in progress now lol
[12:31] <CarinArr> giangiva: well i'm using beryl and things seem to be working okay for me
[12:32] <CarinArr> apart from for some reason my window menues (when you right click menu bar)  don't have any beryl options
[12:32] <genii> intelikey: I suspect because you have no usplash etc
[12:32] <agan> i got this error when i start x, "API mismatch: the nvidia kernel module has the version 1.0-7184 but this x module has the version 1.0-9631 please..bla..bla..have the same version" how do i fix it? currently i have to reinstall the driver to make x start
[12:32] <giangiva> CarinArr: I'm trying to reinstall Feisty from scratch. It used to work some time ago.
[12:33] <CarinArr> giangiva: i installed mine just a few days ago
[12:33] <CarinArr> and it has latest packages
[12:33] <agan> but when i reboot the pc, the mismatch api come out again
[12:33] <CarinArr> agan: you on edgy?
[12:33] <agan> yup
[12:34] <giangiva> CarinArr: My one is updated too but I have some mess in it. I'll try again this afternoon.
[12:34] <genii> intelikey On my server box for instance nothing like that exists either. but on a stock dapper box it does
[12:34] <CarinArr> agan: how did you install the driver?
[12:34] <agan> manually from console
[12:34] <CarinArr> so not using the ubuntu package?
[12:35] <agan> running "sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1.run  "
[12:35] <intelikey> genii you mean there are files or links in /lib/modules/  with initram* names ?
[12:35] <CarinArr> agan: i'd try using envy, it should clean things up for you
[12:35] <genii> intelikey: Yup
[12:35] <CarinArr> !envy | agan
[12:35] <ubotu> agan: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. This software is NOT supported by ubuntu and you will not receive aid for it here. More at http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html See !nvidia and !nvidia9
[12:35] <intelikey> i've never seen that.    and did do default  (live CD) install a few times.
[12:35] <CarinArr> it's pretty good cause it finds previously installed bits and bobs and removes them properly before installing the new driver
[12:36] <agan> CarinArr, i was have tried envy, it will automatically install the latest nvidia driver, and currently the latest driver didnot support my nvidia card
[12:36] <genii> intelikey A (gentoo-centric) explanation http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Initramfs
[12:36] <CarinArr> agan: ah.. did you have nvidia-glx installed before?
[12:38] <agan> CarinArr, nope, but after i run the installation, nvidia-glx is installed automatically
[12:38] <CarinArr> agan: you'll probably need to uninstall it completely
[12:39] <CarinArr> there're howtos on the forum on how to go about it
[12:39] <intelikey> genii ?    Search string 'modules/initram' not found
[12:39] <CarinArr> there're quite a few packages that need to be purged
[12:39] <agan> hmm..ok i try it now...brb
[12:39] <CarinArr> problem is if you don't purge them properly there're leftovers in the system, which is why you're getting the api mismatch thing
[12:40] <CarinArr> i had it on dapper, exactly the same symptoms as well, worked fine before you rebooted it, then gave that message on new bootup, reinstalled the nvidia driver and all worked fine, until next reboot
[12:40] <x`0ff>   /J #ubuntu
[12:40] <agan> ok..now it nvidia-glx has removed..now i'm booting..brb
[12:40] <genii> intelikey All I can tell you is on my non-gui 6.06 box they aren't there but exact same kernel (non -server) on standard 6.06 it is there when the usplash is there
[12:41] <intelikey> in  /lib/modules/    hmmmm   ok.
[12:41] <_root_> hello guys
[12:41] <genii> intelikey I have a non usplash and a usplash and it appears on the usplash box but not the other one , thats with a gui
[12:42] <_root_> hello
[12:42] <intelikey> i'm installing usplash to see if that's the cause
[12:42] <_root_> how can i upload files to my ftp server ??
[12:43] <smile> hi
[12:43] <genii> _root_ Does the ftp server work?
[12:44] <_root_> i have domine in ftp.members.lycos.co.uk and i have user name and password
[12:44] <_root_> i want to upload files to this ftp
[12:44] <genii> _root_ Then some ftp client like maybe the fireftp extension for firefox
[12:44] <charlesHKG> how can i resize my monitor resolution?  for some reason I booted my computer and now I have 640 X 480 resolution, but before I was at 1024 X 768.  The  in system settings the slide bar  wont change to a higher resolution...I cant see .....sssshh...
[12:44] <_root_> i try to use konsole
[12:44] <CarinArr> charlesHKG: sounds like there's a problem with the x server
[12:44] <_root_> ftp and Open
[12:45] <_root_> but when i connect i cant upload a thing
[12:45] <CarinArr> charlesHKG: did you install a new graphics driver or anything else that might have caused that?
[12:45] <genii> _root_ Then put or get
[12:45] <_root_> if i try to upload a file only the empty file will be uploaded
[12:45] <_root_> sure i use put
[12:45] <charlesHKG> nope.....just switched over from kubuntu to windows then back
[12:45] <genii> _root_: You may need to put it in binary mode first then
[12:45] <_root_> i try in windows and kubuntu
[12:46] <_root_> what is the binary mode /??
[12:46] <CarinArr> _root_: you can't resize it in either windows or ubuntu?
[12:46] <CarinArr> er sorry
[12:46] <CarinArr> heh
[12:46] <CarinArr> confused you with charlesHKG
[12:46] <_root_> what is the binary mode ?/
[12:46] <_root_> 10100101
[12:47] <_root_> ??
[12:47] <genii> _root_:  after you have a ftp prompt put "binary"
[12:47] <charlesHKG> so you suggest try resizing in windows...Il try anything...
[12:47] <charlesHKG> at least once.
[12:47] <charlesHKG> brb
[12:47] <genii> _root_:  It tells to use binary mode and not ascii to transfer files
[12:47] <CarinArr> errr. that's not what i meant;) oh well.. he's off
[12:48] <_root_> ftp> open ftp.members.lycos.co.uk
[12:48] <_root_> Connected to ftp.members.lycos.co.uk.
[12:48] <_root_> 220 212.78.204.231 FTP server ready
[12:48] <_root_> Name (ftp.members.lycos.co.uk:root): hola1973
[12:48] <_root_> 331 Password required for hola1973.
[12:48] <_root_> Password:
[12:48] <CarinArr> !paste | _root_
[12:48] <ubotu> _root_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:48] <_root_> 230 Welcome to Tripod UK.
[12:48] <genii> _root_:  Also if you try to "put" a file that is not in the directory from where you ran ftp it will make an empty one on the server
[12:48] <_root_> Remote system type is UNIX.
[12:48] <_root_> Using binary mode to transfer files.
[12:48] <_root_> ftp> binary
[12:48] <_root_> 200 Type set to I
[12:48] <_root_> i try this
[12:48] <_root_> what to do now ???
[12:48] <genii> AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGG
[12:48] <intelikey> nice flood
[12:49] <intelikey> remarkable deluge
[12:49] <genii> Well not put something like     put /my/path/filename.ext
[12:50] <genii> eg:     put /home/me/index.html
[12:50] <_root_> can i compile visual software with gcc ???
[12:50] <genii> puts the file index.html onto the remote server now
[12:50] <agan> CarinArr, still not work
[12:51] <_root_>  can i compile visual software with gcc ???
[12:51] <_root_> ????????/
[12:51] <CarinArr> agan: i didn't quite mean fo ryou to try in windows, i confused you with root and though you said it didn't work in windows either
[12:51] <genii> _root_ the short answer is yes
[12:51] <_root_> but how ?
[12:52] <genii> _root_  That is beyond the scope of this channel to explain
[12:52] <_root_> ok thank you genii
[12:52] <CarinArr> agan: do you remember what you had been doing in kubuntu before you rebooted into windows ? (i,e before it stopped working)
[12:53] <genii> _root_  If you know how to program in C/C++ then you create a graphical program for some gui like KDE or Gnome etc then you use gcc to create the binary. This is the basic idea
[12:53] <agan> CarinArr, yes, it stop working since i installed nvidia driver
[12:53] <CarinArr> agan: that's what i asked you about earlier;)
[12:53] <CarinArr> one sec
[12:55] <CarinArr> agan: you might want to try searching www.ubuntuforums.org and see if anyone has the same problem
[12:55] <genii> intelikey Ahh quiet again :) I wonder how long this will last
[12:55] <solomon_> i had the same problem
[12:55] <intelikey> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/modules.dep: No such
[12:55] <intelikey> file or directory
[12:55] <intelikey> about that long
[12:56] <charlesHKG> My resolution in windows is fine....kubuntu.....640 X 480....HeLp!!!
[12:56] <agan> ok..i guess i know why this api mismatch is happen, when i installing nvidia driver i saw a warning, it said "nvidia installer has unable to determine the correct x library installation path and will install the nvidia x library to /usr/lib"
[12:56] <intelikey> i think the package management system is totally borked.
[12:56] <agan> and it said "please correct any pkg-config"
[12:56] <genii> intelikey Somethings definitely messed
[12:57] <CarinArr> sorry agan now i confused YOU with charlesHKG
[12:57] <intelikey> yep.   and it's all in the   .postinst scripts
[12:57] <CarinArr> agan: you'll probably need to purge more than nvidia-glx
[12:57] <intelikey> and postrm  but not as bad.
[12:58] <CarinArr> i.e. nvidia-kernel-common, and other packages related to the nvidia install
[12:58] <CarinArr> actually, ubuntuforums have more than one thread regarding this, and that's what they suggest.. they're also a bit more specific about what needs removing
[12:59] <CarinArr> before i add more confusion i'm going to go paint my garage
[12:59] <agan> ok then
[12:59] <intelikey> some script writer needs to lay off the crack, or off the keyboard they don't mix very well.
[12:59] <genii> I suggest dayglo orange as a nice lively alternative for a garage colour :)
[01:00] <genii> scares off intruders and gets the neighbours talking
[01:00] <h0ax> anyone familiar with metasploit on linux ?
[01:00] <solomon_> agan: i'm new to ubuntu, but when I (tried) to install the nvidia driver on slackware, it took the liberty of reconfiguring X for me, making a new xorg.conf, which didn't work, but it DID make a backup of my original
[01:01] <_root_> can i compile windows software from linux ???
[01:01] <genii> Yes when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it likes to backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:02] <genii> _root_ If it's written in C/C++ sure
[01:02] <agan> solomon, i was once installed nvidia driver on another cpu..and yup it took me days to make it work, but the result satisfied me coz i have a nice 3d desktop cube with beryl
[01:02] <genii> _root_ It's called cross-platform compiling
[01:02] <leiar> Anybody with audacity experience here?
[01:03] <solomon_> agan: i decided it was more trouble than it was worth for me, and use the "nv" driver, but I'm sure nvidia xorg-config made a backup of your original.  you can just mv it back
[01:03] <leiar> I want to record several tracks, but I need to listen to track one when I record track two. Is that possible, in Audacity?
[01:03] <intelikey> _root_ question is not can you but why would you
[01:04] <agan> yup..i know that, but if i move it back then i can't run beryl ;)
[01:04] <solomon_> not even with the "nv" driver?
[01:04] <agan> nv driver give me direct rendering=no
[01:04] <genii> _root_  If you want to get laughed at go to channel ##C and ask about that :)
[01:05] <solomon_> well, crap...sorry, but I didn't spend much time on the nvidia driver.  i thought u just lost your config file and wanted it back.  I gave up on it :(
[01:05] <intelikey> genii is the /lib/modules/initramfs*   a link or dir or file ?
[01:05] <genii> intelikey Heh :) He did go there
[01:05] <agan> ok..anyway thanks
[01:06] <genii> intelikey lemme look
[01:06] <intelikey> :)
[01:06] <intelikey> some people like being abused i guess
[01:06] <genii> intelikey directories. Not links either
[01:07] <intelikey> k
[01:07] <genii> intelikey a buncha files under em
[01:07] <genii> you want a list
[01:07] <genii> ?
[01:07] <agan> btw, what is the minimum specification for kubuntu 6.10?
[01:08] <just-this-time> big problem ubuntu edgy alternateCD cannot mount CDROm while in rescue mode
[01:08] <genii> agan I'd suggest 128 Mb ram, a P2-266 and about 4Gb HD
[01:08] <intelikey> oh    no...   well that's definitely the offending portion
[01:08] <intelikey> Removing usplash ...
[01:08] <intelikey> Cannot find /lib/modules/initramfs.img-2.6.15-28-386-sda
[01:08] <intelikey> dpkg: error processing usplash (--purge):
[01:08] <twiztr> Hey everyone.
[01:09] <agan> genii, thanks
[01:09] <genii> agan You're welcome
[01:09] <just-this-time> new coreduo MB a challenge  for liinux
[01:10] <genii> just-this-time: Locks up booting livecd?
[01:11] <just-this-time> is there an updated alternate edgy suitable with new MB?
[01:11] <agan> xubuntu can run on P1 200mmx, but it said that its strongly recommended 128 mb ram..hmmm
[01:11] <intelikey> genii i can make /lib/modules/initramfs.img-2.6.15-28-386-sda    a symlink to   /lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386     and it seems to satisfy the package manager  but that's quite, unusual
[01:11] <just-this-time> should I go native or legacy on bios
[01:12] <just-this-time> no genii just doesnot detect cdrom although boots from it so I cannot chroot from CD
[01:12] <just-this-time> need to fix grub after cloning
[01:13] <intelikey> agan "P1 200mmx"  hehhe   kubuntu can run, does run on a p1 mmx 100mhz box here.
[01:13] <just-this-time> now mbr is MSwXP maybe I put grub with supergrub
[01:13] <genii> just-this-time: Good idea is to go legacy on bios for sata controller so it gets seen as an IDE device
[01:13] <crube> I need a little help. I'm trying to burn an iso image with K3b. I have an RW DVD, and K3b doesn't format it. It says "Formatted in DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite mode" and says "No need to format..." "It may simply be overwritten", but when I try to burn an iso image it says "Please insert empty DVD"
[01:13] <crube> It doesn't format it even if I use "Force" mode
[01:14] <agan> hmm...
[01:14] <just-this-time> genii problem cloning was cluster changed from 32k(on 160gb) to 16k( 80 gb) now grub wont start
[01:16] <genii> Thats a tricky one
[01:17] <just-this-time> genii: no avail legacy in bios did not help resue disk mount the cdrom
[01:17] <genii> just-this-time: How did you "clone" your drive? dd or something?
[01:18] <just-this-time> acronis
[01:18] <_root__> hello
[01:19] <intelikey> i think the best way for me to fix this thing is change a whole bunch of update- scripts into symlinks to /bin/true
[01:19] <johey> I have made something bad with KDE. Now, when clicking System Settings->Users and Groups (or whatever the English name is), I get an error telling me the module Users and Groups cannot be loaded.
[01:19] <just-this-time> I guess cloning to same size 160 gb > 160 gb wouldnot be a problem in my case geometry changed
[01:20] <genii> just-this-time: Thats usually the mistake ppl make when copying a smaller driver to alarger drive
[01:20] <johey> And I get two suggestions that are totally irrelevant.
[01:21] <johey> (Something about some error at last KDE update or something about having old third party modules left)
[01:21] <genii> just-this-time: There's not much you can do now, unfortunately
[01:22] <just-this-time> 160gb still boots ok genii
[01:22] <just-this-time> Iam experimenting here for cloning efficiently
[01:22] <agan> damn!! i fix it,somebody in #beryl remind me..i forget disabling nv driver in linux-restricted module...
[01:22] <_root__> hello
[01:22] <agan> never told so easy
[01:22] <_root__> i nid help!
[01:23] <genii> !ask | _root__
[01:23] <ubotu> _root__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:23] <Jucato> johey: not really sure if this will work, but try reinstalling the kde-guidance package
[01:23] <twiztr> Is there any good starter guides like ubuntuguide.org anyone knows of?
[01:23] <just-this-time> what disk cloning app  in linux env can be used ?
[01:23] <_root__> asking for private msg
[01:24] <johey> Jucato: A-ha... Hm. dpkg-reconfigure, or what?
[01:24] <genii> just-this-time: And you can't boot even to livecd now??
[01:24] <just-this-time> genii I have alternateCD
[01:24] <Jucato> johey: just plain reinstall. either in Adept or sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance
[01:24] <just-this-time> dunno about liveCD
[01:25] <vvv> what do i need to run active wallpaper? like wallpaper that moves might be called x wallpaper
[01:25] <intelikey> problem solved !
[01:25] <genii> just-this-time: The livecd is the default installation cd. It boots up to kde off the cdrom. Sorta like knoppix etc. Very useful for reinstalling grub and so on
[01:26] <intelikey> almost as good as the alternate install cd
[01:26] <just-this-time> genii MB is DG965
[01:26] <agan> i install kubuntu 6.10 using livecd
[01:26] <just-this-time> even 160gb had trouble mounting CDS from within KDE
[01:26] <intelikey> genii not a chance.
[01:27] <intelikey> i think i just made it the most stable ubuntu box running.
[01:27] <just-this-time> alternateCD gives more flexibility
[01:27] <vvv> .join ubuntu
[01:27] <johey> Jucato: Hm. It sais reinstallation of kde-guidance isn't possible because it cannot be fetched (warning for bad translation).
[01:27] <vvv> ops
[01:27] <just-this-time> still it is not 965intel ready
[01:27] <wimpies> For some reason I can no longer format DVD-RW in k3b ... anybody suggestions ?
[01:28] <johey> Jucato: However, my apt source is just fine.
[01:28] <just-this-time> is feisty 965intel ready ?
[01:28] <intelikey> wimpies device is not listed in /etc/fstab is it?
[01:28] <genii> just-this-time I can't remember if there is a rescue kernel on that one. If so you can boot  to "rescue"   then reinstall grub
[01:29] <wimpies> no it isn't
[01:29] <intelikey> you can boot to install and switch tty's and install grub too genii
[01:29] <wimpies> intelikey : it shouldn't (and needn't)
[01:29] <genii> intelikey Ah yeah forgot about busybox
[01:30] <intelikey> wimpies k
[01:30] <just-this-time> genii: now put 80gbhitachi as secondary sata to perfectly booting 160gb WD can I clone from KDE ? jucato genii anyone ?
[01:31] <johey> Jucato: I get a similar message when using Adept.
[01:31] <intelikey> just-this-time cloning partitions ?
[01:31] <genii> better not to "clone" between different size drives. Safer to just mount both and then copy the crap over
[01:31] <coty> hey can someone tell me why kubuntu wont mount my psp
[01:31] <coty> It used to
[01:31] <coty> but now i get an error
[01:31] <just-this-time> nope intelikey cloning entire disk so it boots as the original
[01:32] <coty> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[01:32] <just-this-time> intelikey: just as acronis and ghost do it
[01:32] <intelikey> just-this-time size differs...  not a good call.
[01:32] <coty> mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:32] <genii> There *is* a linux ghost
[01:33] <coty> intelikey: Do you have any idea of why this is?
[01:33] <intelikey> coty mount /dev/sda1 /media/<something>
[01:33] <intelikey> sudo that
[01:33] <coty> ok
[01:33] <just-this-time> now 80gb is at sdb
[01:34] <just-this-time> sda is the booted (sda7) (sda1 is the windows)
[01:34] <Thomas`> How do I type arbitrary characters? I want to type 0x1F (unit separator) but I can't work out how.
[01:34] <coty> intelikey: do i put <something> on the end
[01:34] <intelikey> yes and coty if that's usb it can move from sda to sdb ...
[01:34] <intelikey> coty no
[01:34] <johey> Jucato: If it matters, I think I know what sequence of steps I did to accieve this problem. I first clicked System Settings->Personal->User account, then I clicked the icon to change my avatar. It said that the system admistrator won't allow me to change picture. I made other settings and clicked apply. Then I tried Users and Groups, but it was no longer working.
[01:34] <intelikey> you interpret the <something>
[01:35] <coty> intelikey: hmm?
[01:35] <just-this-time> intelikey: size differs I know but ghost windows combination worked ok with differrent sizes
[01:35] <intelikey> just-this-time so use ghost
[01:35] <intelikey> coty as in /media/sda1   or media/disk  or what ever is there.
[01:36] <coty> ok
[01:36] <coty> i see
[01:36] <intelikey> coty  the mount point is just an empty dirrectory.
[01:36] <coty> intelikey: am i to get output
[01:36] <intelikey> when you mount a file system on the empty dir then what ever is in the fs is seen in that dir,
[01:36] <intelikey> coty not if it mounts.
[01:37] <intelikey> coty in linux   no error   means  no error.
[01:37] <coty> intelikey: will i got no output and it did not mount
[01:37] <coty> intelikey: and i still get an error
[01:37] <intelikey> coty how do you know it did not ?    ls /media/<something>
[01:37] <coty> intelikey: one sec
[01:38] <coty> intelikey: it does not show that my psp is connected
[01:38] <intelikey> where ?
[01:38] <coty> intelikey: i get cdrom  cdrom0
[01:39] <intelikey> ok.     #  sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/cdrom  #
[01:40] <coty> i get the same error
[01:40] <intelikey> if no output      # ls /media/cdrom  #     any output from that ?
[01:40] <intelikey> ok what error ?
[01:40] <coty> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[01:40] <coty> mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:40] <genii> aha
[01:41] <intelikey> wrong device node.
[01:42] <coty> intelikey: so what should i do
[01:42] <intelikey> see if    # sudo fdisk -l #      will list it for you.     or   # lsusb #   maybe?
[01:43] <intelikey> i'm not sure i can tell the device node from the output of lsusb.....
[01:43] <coty> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 054c:01c8 Sony Corp
[01:43] <coty> that would be my psp im sure
[01:43] <intelikey> sdc  ?
[01:44] <intelikey> try changing the sda1 to sdc1
[01:44] <coty> ok
[01:44] <coty> so what should i put in
[01:44] <coty> sudo /mount/sdc1
[01:44] <intelikey> #  sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/cdrom  #
[01:45] <coty> intelikey: I got this kimsommer is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[01:46] <intelikey> well  i suppose that you didn't use sudo befor ?      and that explains the problem.
[01:47] <intelikey> !sudo | coty
[01:47] <ubotu> coty: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:47] <bcnet> help me plss
[01:47] <hw_> has (k)ubuntu an own console package management client? (besides dselect)
[01:47] <bcnet> today i install kubuntu 6.10
[01:47] <coty> intelikey; i have done that
[01:48] <intelikey> coty what is the account that you setup when you installed the system ?    use it and add your new account name to the admin group.
[01:48] <bcnet> but i do not know the username
[01:48] <coty> ok
[01:48] <coty> im using my moms
[01:48] <manu_> hi when i change the color settings for my webcam they are resetet after a restart of kopete :( can you help?
[01:48] <coty> but my account is the first one
[01:48] <bcnet> so i cann't login
[01:48] <bcnet> help me
[01:48] <johey> hw_: apt-get?
[01:48] <coty> so i should use it?
[01:49] <johey> bcnet: You was asked to choose a user name when you installed Kubuntu. Use that user name.
[01:49] <hw_> johey: That is from debian as well =)
[01:49] <intelikey> coty only the first account created can do things like mounting fs's   and other admin type things.    you would be better off to setup something like  "pmount" genii could help you with that i think.
[01:49] <johey> hw_: Yes. Kubuntu is based on Debian.
[01:50] <Betzefer> it is debian
[01:50] <Betzefer> just better
[01:50] <johey> No. It's Kubuntu. :)
[01:50] <Betzefer> lol
[01:50] <coty> intelikey: ok thanks
[01:50] <intelikey> genii can you walk coty through setting up pmount ?
[01:50] <genii> coty If you want to mount something from all users, put the option "user" in the fstab file where it has like rw,auto
[01:50] <intelikey> i all done in for the day.
[01:50] <coty> genii: were is that
[01:51] <intelikey> genii this is about his third day in linux.  but he can copy and paste like a mad man.
[01:51] <intelikey> :)
[01:51] <coty> lol
[01:51] <coty> dont make fun of me :)
[01:52] <intelikey> i wasn't.  that last part is a complement.
[01:52] <bcnet> johey: the installation didn't offer any username to fill, just password
[01:52] <coty> im learning
[01:52] <coty> i know sudo
[01:52] <coty> :)
[01:52] <intelikey> i'm out.   later all.
[01:52] <coty> cya
[01:52] <genii> coty Every hard drive and so on you can mount (and external ones like what a psp would get recognised as) have an entry in a file called /etc/fstab     To edit this file you need to change it as root user controlling the text editor.
[01:53] <coty> genii: ok
[01:53] <genii> coty A thing like ps for instance would get recognised as /dev/sda1  normally
[01:53] <bcnet> any one help pls
[01:54] <coty> yea it is
[01:54] <genii> coty So you open the file in some text editor and look for the line having /dev/sda1 in it. At the end of the line will be some things like rw,auto      like that. You want to make rw,auto   into rw,auto,user
[01:54] <coty> ok
[01:54] <coty> could you give the command i need to put in
[01:54] <genii> coty This will let any user mount and use the drive
[01:55] <Deepo> HI
[01:55] <coty> hello
[01:55] <mrigns> s-ata is regognised as sda too
[01:55] <Deepo> I have a problem with kubuntu
[01:55] <genii> coty Sure. in Konsole type:     sudo nano /etc/fstab
[01:55] <jervine> bcnet: you could always boot from your CD (maybe DVD) again, mount the filesystem you have installed kubuntu to, and then cat the /etc/passwd file to see the username that has been created
[01:55] <coty> ok
[01:55] <Deepo> the netword doesn't work at start
[01:56] <genii> coty did it open the file in a command-line text editor now?
[01:56] <Deepo> if I do /etc/init.d/networking restart it works, but starting normally I don't have network
[01:56] <coty> genii: no
[01:56] <coty> genii: should i do it from the first user
[01:56] <bcnet> jervine: how to mount the filesystem
[01:56] <genii> coty Well, you need sudo privelege, so yes :)
[01:56] <coty> XD
[01:56] <coty> ok
[01:56] <bcnet> jervine: i dont have live cd
[01:57] <Deepo> Im trying kubuntu 7.04
[01:57] <jervine> bcnet: ok - so mounting from the liv CD is no good... how did you install kubuntu?
[01:58] <vvv> how do i become a root user?
[01:58] <apokryphos> vvv: please take a look at the FAQ <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions> as linked to in the channel /topic.
[01:59] <genii> coty A quick way to toggle back and forth between KDE and a terminal is:   ctrl-alt-f1 (for terminal)    then alt-f7   to get back into KDE. You can login to this termianl as any user
[01:59] <vvv> ty
[01:59] <bcnet> jervine: just install it like usually, the step : first choose language> keyboard> hostname> then password >and the rest. there isn't any username
[01:59] <genii> !sudo > vvv
[01:59] <jervine> bcnet: ok, but the computer had to boot from 'something'?
[01:59] <bcnet> jervine: from the cd
[01:59] <vvv> thanks for the link u
[02:00] <manuel_> hi
[02:00] <manuel_> i have installed wine on 64-bit-kubuntu but when i start a game it is only in the top left corner and not fullscreen but it schould be
[02:00] <genii> vvv Yer welcome :)
[02:00] <bcnet> jervine: i've cd kubuntu-alternate-6.10
[02:01] <genii> coty Are you still with me?
[02:01] <jervine> bcnet: ok, I've not seen that one... does it not offer some kind of rescue mode/livCD as a boot option?
[02:02] <manuel_> the guys from winehq says that my x is not good configured
[02:02] <bcnet> jervine: the options : install with text mode, install with oem mode, install with command-line, repair the broken filesystem, boot from the hardisk
[02:03] <coty> genii: XD
[02:03] <bcnet> i'm so confuse with this kubuntu version
[02:03] <jervine> bcnet: just out of interest which option did you choose?
[02:03] <genii> coty OK... did you see what I said anout ctrl-alt-f1 alt-f7 ?
[02:03] <coty> genii: i know that already
[02:03] <bcnet> jervine: install with oem mode
[02:03] <genii> coty Good :)
[02:03] <coty> genii: daskreech taught me
[02:04] <genii> coty So you now changed the /etc/fstab file as some user with sudo rights by doing sudo nano /etc/fstab
[02:04] <genii> ?
[02:04] <coty> genii: yea
[02:04] <coty> genii: be right back
[02:04] <jervine> bcnet: is there a reason you're installing with this disk rather than a liveCD?
[02:04] <genii> coty OK
[02:05] <malcher> hi
[02:05] <genii> I'm getting a coffee, back in 2-3 minutes
[02:06] <malcher> is there a way to pass any options to packages in adept... e.g. if you want certain modules to be included or so?
[02:06] <bcnet> jervine: no
[02:06] <coty> genii: Could not enter folder /media/sda1
[02:06] <coty> genii: i get that now
[02:06] <malcher> or, to explain it in another way... something alike "flags"
[02:07] <jervine> bcnet: ok :) I'm not sure if the password you set during the install will give you access to runlevel1. basically what you want to do is get the PC booted so that you can read the /etc/passwd file on the partition you installed kubuntu to
[02:07] <jervine> bcnet: when you boot it at the moment, does it just get to the KDE login screen?
[02:09] <bcnet> jervine: ok, thanks for your help! now i'm trying to reinstall the kubuntu, if i have same problem, i'll back to dapper 'n my mi**sft
[02:09] <coty> genii: today i am hoping is going to be a good day for the psp hacking scen if dark-alex ( a well know psp hacker) releases his custom firmware
[02:09] <vvv> what i need to do is move codec into a user folder.. but when i try and drag it doesn't work.. could someone give me a example.. of the commands i'd use to move a folder into another folder
[02:09] <bcnet> jervine: thanks for the info
[02:09] <vvv> like sudo move <file name> to <folder name>  would that work?
[02:10] <bcnet> jervine: yes kde login
[02:10] <jervine> bcnet: no users listed on the left hand side I guess...
[02:10] <bcnet> jervine: u're wright
[02:11] <bcnet> jervine: so i should i do next
[02:11] <mrigns> vvv: sudo mv <file> <target>
[02:11] <cntb> !ssh
[02:12] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[02:12] <vvv> ty mrigns
[02:13] <jervine> bcnet: either reinstall, or see if you can get the root partition mounted somehow to inspect the /etc/passwd file
[02:13] <bcnet> jervine: ok,
[02:17] <Betzefer> how do i see what kernel am i ?
[02:17] <Betzefer> what version
[02:18] <mrigns> uname -r
[02:18] <manu_> ehere can i get kopete support?
[02:18] <mrigns> #kopete
[02:18] <manu_> my sttings for webcam color, brightness etc arent saved, after restarting kopete they have other positions
[02:19] <mrigns> manu_ /j #kopete
[02:21] <genii> OK I have new coffee now and am returned :)
[02:21] <genii> coty OK I have new coffee now and am returned :)
[02:22] <genii> Durn, musta got tired o waiting
[02:22] <coty> genii: im here
[02:22] <coty> genii: my dumb computer keeps on shutting off
[02:22] <Jucato> or just wanted you to repeat yourself :)
[02:23] <coty> genii: the screen gets all sorts of colors
[02:23] <coty> genii: then i have to tun it off
[02:23] <genii> Jucato I blame it on the lack of caffeine
[02:23] <Jucato> genii: or excess of it :D
[02:23] <scion_> hello all
[02:23] <genii> Jucato Perhaps, perhaps
[02:23] <coty> Im hiped up on caffenine
[02:23] <coty> i drink it straight black
[02:23] <scion_> <--- Jolt
[02:24] <coty> 4 spoons of coffee for each cup
[02:24] <scion_> fuel of champions
[02:24] <genii> coty Me too LOL. Anyhow now you get "Could not enter folder /media/sda1" ?
[02:24] <coty> yes
[02:25] <genii> coty does:   ls /media show that   sda1  exists?
[02:25] <coty> one sec
[02:25] <coty> yes
[02:25] <genii> coty OK 1 minute :)
[02:27] <vvv> when i'm trying to install adobe flash player it says it doesn't support 64
[02:27] <vvv> -_-
[02:27] <genii> coty But now it comes up with some notification you pluggede it in etc?
[02:28] <cntb> can you help me with vncserver
[02:29] <coty> genii: well im not on my moms account anymore
[02:29] <coty> genii: so it works on mine
[02:29] <coty> genii: I guess if i want to use it i just need to switch
[02:30] <coty> genii: but what really makes me mad is how my computer freezes then the screen gets all sorts of colors
[02:30] <coty> genii: then i have to restart my compuer
[02:31] <genii> coty That sounds like some other issue entirely
[02:31] <genii> coty Does it get weird letters and symbols that flash on and off?
[02:31] <coty> genii: no
[02:32] <coty> genii: it does green type of colors
[02:32] <coty> genii: then i get a message
[02:32] <coty> genii: saying i need to check my pc display settings
[02:32] <bulca> sal
[02:32] <coty> genii: it happens when i have a lot running
[02:33] <genii> coty Likely your video card borrows memory off the motherboard to run instead of having it's own ram onboard. So when you have lots of stuff going the video fails
[02:34] <coty> genii: oh
[02:34] <coty> genii: is there a way to fix that
[02:34] <genii> coty If you don't need trillions of colours etc you could set in the bios to use whatever the minimum ram is for the onboard video card
[02:35] <genii> likely 64 or so
[02:35] <coty> genii: ok
[02:35] <genii> coty More system ram also can't hurt much
[02:35] <coty> genii: lol
[02:35] <coty> genii: this computer is 7 years old
[02:36] <coty> genii: the most it can have is 128 mb
[02:36] <pollyo> Does remote desktop only recognize IP addressess or can I set it up to recognize Windows Networks and Machine names?
[02:36] <pollyo> !rdesktop
[02:36] <genii> coty Ahhhhhh. The OS needs pretty much all the 128. So any the video borrows is *extremely* problemmatic in marginal setups like that
[02:37] <coty> ok
[02:37] <coty> genii: I guess it is time to go and buy a nice computer
[02:37] <coty> genii: then wipe out windows and put my kubuntu on
[02:38] <genii> coty If you have some old PCI video card layin around and a free slot, disable the onboard video and use the pci one.
[02:38] <Dasnipa`> coty, or you can wait til dell releases its preinstalled linux line
[02:38] <coty> really
[02:38] <coty> there going to release a computer with linux on it
[02:38] <genii> coty Yes
[02:38] <coty> sweeeeeeeet
[02:38] <crazy_penguin> Good afternoon to all!
[02:38] <coty> that means it will be cheap
[02:38] <Dasnipa`> coty, yes, a bunch of them... its going to take a bit though they have to train their support staff and all
[02:38] <coty> right
[02:39] <coty> Dasnipa`: why do they have to be trianed
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[02:39] <coty> traind
[02:39] <coty> Dasnipa`: what are they training for?
[02:40] <genii> For more info on Dell and Linux see http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/ideastorm/ideasinaction?c=us&l=en&s=gen
[02:40] <coty> Dasnipa`: And will this lower the cost of the computer
[02:40] <Dasnipa`> coty, likely...
[02:40] <coty> cool
[02:40] <Dasnipa`> and coty they have to be trained so that when people have problems the support team can troubleshoot
[02:40] <coty> Dasnipa`: ah
[02:41] <genii> quote: "Majority of survey respondents said that existing community-based support forums would meet their technical support needs for a tested and validated Linux operating system on a Dell system."
[02:41] <Dasnipa`> Admiral_Chicago, hey now its semi- ontopic ubuntu is one of the OS's under heavy dell consideration
[02:41] <coty> Admiral_Chicago: were not to off topic
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> but this channel is for people looking for support, not the future of it
[02:42] <genii> Definite gray area there LOL
[02:44] <genii> coty At any rate for the video issue keep what I said in mind :)
[02:44] <coty> ok\
[02:48] <JuJuBee> Morning, anybody know what to do when openoffice wont open properly "Another instance of OO is accessing your personal settings or your personal settings are locked..."?
[02:48] <JuJuBee> Won't let me save anything...
[02:50] <genii> Do you have more than 1 instance open?
[02:51] <os2mac> sup ya'll
[02:52] <JuJuBee> genii : no.
[02:52] <genii> JuJuBee: Did you run it before as root or with sudo/kdesu/gksu and edit some files?
[02:52] <JuJuBee> Nope.
[02:53] <JuJuBee> One of my students is trying to use OO.  Last time he used it was last Thursday.
[02:53] <JuJuBee> Where are the prefs stored?
[02:54] <genii> Are the files stored in home dir or on a network?
[02:55] <JuJuBee> Found the prefs... Everything stored on fileserver on network.
[02:55] <genii> JuJuBee: Theres yer problem
[02:55] <JuJuBee> Don't understand?
[02:56] <genii> JuJuBee: User A opens OO and does something. User B opens OO on another machine but the share on the network which holds the OO settings is being used by user A. So user B is SOL
[02:57] <genii> JuJuBee: User A must close OO before user B can open it
[02:57] <JuJuBee> But there are prefs for each user in their /home dir
[02:57] <JuJuBee> No, never had to do that before.
[02:57] <JuJuBee> .openoffice.org2 folder in each users home dir.
[02:58] <genii> JuJuBee: In this case make sure that ownership of the files agree with the user whose home dir it is then. If user A edits user B's files for instance, the ownership change will not allow user B to open them again.
[02:59] <genii> JuJuBee: This happens when someone with sudo privelege for instance uses OO
[02:59] <JuJuBee> He does not have sudo privs and they cannot edit each others files.
[03:00] <genii> JuJuBee: Did you for instance (as a user who is in sudoers file) open up even perhaps once any files in any of their home directories then resave them. This will cause it.
[03:02] <genii> JuJuBee: At any rate, the quick fix would be to just change ownership on it all back to the user it originally belonged to.
[03:05] <JuJuBee> I tried that and it told me that there is another instance of OO running for this user on WS-2 (another computer), but that computer is off.
[03:05] <JuJuBee> Weird.
[03:06] <shinigami> hi.. i want to load saa7134-oss automatically next time i boot up, so i put saa7134-oss in modprobe.conf.. now i'm getting WARNING: /etc/modprobe.conf line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'saa7134-oss'
[03:06] <shinigami> why?
[03:06] <JuJuBee> I just mv'd the .openoffice.org2 folder to a .bak and re-ran OO and it loaded.  Don't know what is up, the ownership of all files in  the .openoffice.org2 folder and beyond are fine.
[03:06] <genii> shinigami: Put it in /etc/modules instead and remove it from modprobe.conf
[03:07] <jeffto> Hello everybody
[03:07] <genii> JuJuBee: What can happen is if the share is mounted with some certain options also like nosync    it will still think files are open when they are not
[03:08] <shinigami> but /etc/modules is a directory
[03:08] <shinigami> how do i insert
[03:08] <shinigami> Oh
[03:08] <genii> No, it is not a directory
[03:08] <shinigami> ok
[03:08] <shinigami> so do i remove the file modprobe.conf ?
[03:08] <shinigami> its empty
[03:09] <genii> shinigami: Yeah you can delete it
[03:10] <vvv> i need to move a folder over to my windows partition.. i installed the software to do so.. but i can't figure out how to give myself premission to write on my windows partition
[03:10] <genii> shinigami: At any rate, open the file /etc/modules with (from Konsole):    kdesu kate      then just add the name of the module you want on a line of its own at the bottom. Then save it and every time after the module will always load.
[03:11] <genii> shinigami: kdesu kate /etc/modules                        even
[03:12] <genii> vvv Is this some ntfs partition?
[03:13] <vvv> yes
[03:13] <vvv> i just want to transfer over a few files.. but i can't seem to get the premission to do so
[03:14] <harol> Is there a way to remove jobs from apt-get's quene?
[03:15] <harol> I currently have "Conf vmware-player (1.0.2-2 Ubuntu:6.10/edgy)" pending
[03:15] <harol> And running that breaks everything...
[03:15] <genii> vvv And you installed ntfs-3g    package?
[03:16] <vvv> yes
[03:19] <genii> vvv Please make sure the /etc/fstab entry then looks like:
[03:19] <genii>  /dev/<your partition>     /media/<mount point>     ntfs-3g     defaults,locale=en_US.utf8   0    0
[03:19] <genii> For the partition you are trying to mount. Replace en_US with your locale if it is different. Also remember that <your partition> should be the thing like hda4   or whataver partition that is the ntfs one of course. Same thing with <mountpoint> ... some dir that exists under /media
[03:21] <harol> Where does aptitude keep it's logs?
[03:21] <embrapa> exit
[03:21] <Jucato> harol: in /var/log/
[03:22] <vvv> thanks again genii
[03:22] <vvv> i saved what you wrote i'm gonna pass out.. and work on linux again tomorrow =)
[03:23] <NiceGuyUK> despite having disabled the screensaver in KControl and turning off all Power Management, my laptop still blanks the screen when unattended for a few minutes - anywhere else I should be looking?
[03:23] <genii> vvv np. I would suggest for a better solution to have an ext3 partition and then use windoze ext2/3 driver from http://www.fs-driver.org/
[03:23] <tux> is there any way to write on NTFS partitions yet?
[03:24] <NiceGuyUK> tux : I believe the ntfs-3g drivers allow this
[03:24] <tux> cool
[03:24] <genii> tux There is the ntfs-3g  ... however it is often temeramental depending on original ntfs codepages nls  etc etc etc
[03:25] <tux> not stable enough jet then
[03:25] <genii> And there seems so far little info as to how it interacts with the newest ntfs which vista will use
[03:25] <NiceGuyUK> Vista users deserve all they get :P
[03:26] <tux> no self respecting computer user will install vista anyway, so dont mind that
[03:26] <genii> NiceGuyUK: BTW maybe check your bios settings for screen off type powersaving settings :)
[03:27] <NiceGuyUK> I thought maybe that, but it didn't happen under a gnome desktop in the past...hence I think its in Kubuntu somewhere
[03:27] <tux> might be bios settings, would be strange anyway, normally the operating system manages the screen
[03:27] <Ayande> anyone that knows were do get the correct version of apache and php?
[03:28] <NiceGuyUK> Is it possible that gnome's screen saver settings would interfere with KDE, given that I have both desktops installed?
[03:28] <tux> for linux?
[03:28] <tux> www.php.net?
[03:28] <Ayande> yes
[03:28] <Ayande> kubuntu
[03:28] <tux> hm stupid question, why use windows as a webserver
[03:28] <tux> :p
[03:28] <Ayande> well i did first lol
[03:28] <genii> Ayande:   do:   sudo apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5
[03:28] <tux> nooooo
[03:28] <tux> IIS sucks
[03:29] <PhinnFort> wtf use windows for anything mission critical?;)
[03:29] <genii> tux Yes, it royally sucks
[03:29] <PhinnFort> IIS has been and still is bad
[03:29] <tux> the only way my linux webserver could get ANY downtime was power issues
[03:29] <Ayande> im first time linux user
[03:29] <NiceGuyUK> PhinnFort: I support several large financial organisations that do just that!
[03:29] <Ayande> ill try that genii thanks
[03:29] <PhinnFort> NiceGuyUK: well, i guess I'm getting rich tonight, then;)
[03:29] <NiceGuyUK> lol
[03:30] <genii> Ayande: To see if it installed after, point our web browser at 127.0.0.1
[03:30] <NiceGuyUK> or just "localhost" ;-)
[03:30] <Ayande> mm that i know :P
[03:30] <Ayande> but im not sure i know how to install things on linux yet
[03:31] <Ayande> hope its not harder then i think :P
[03:31] <wargoth_> ~paste
[03:31] <PhinnFort> Ayande: it's easier than in windows
[03:31] <PhinnFort> !paste | wargoth_
[03:31] <NiceGuyUK> with ubuntu its extremely easy
[03:31] <wargoth_> where can I paste a code?
[03:31] <Ayande> i see
[03:31] <PhinnFort> wargoth_: rafb.net/paste
[03:31] <genii> Ayande I gave you the command-line way. There are also the package managers in the gui such as adept and aptitude. For me the command-line way is simplest
[03:32] <NiceGuyUK> aptitude has a gui?
[03:32] <PhinnFort> command line is much quicker, for pretty much anythin
[03:32] <Jucato> genii: aptitude GUI?
[03:32] <PhinnFort> g
[03:32] <Jucato> ncurses GUI probably :)
[03:32] <PhinnFort> NiceGuyUK: i thought it had a gtk gui
[03:32] <PhinnFort> too
[03:32] <Ayande> i see
[03:32] <Ayande> thanks
[03:32] <genii> OK OK no aptitude "pretty" gui ROFL
[03:32] <Ayande> i pm if it wont work :P
[03:33] <NiceGuyUK> I started using aptitude over apt-get cos it seems to handle dependencies better
[03:33] <genii> Even better, use dpkg
[03:33] <NiceGuyUK> Ayande: better to ask in the main channel instead of PN - that way other people can learn from the answer you get at the same time
[03:33] <PhinnFort> NiceGuyUK: that's what the debian people recommend
[03:33] <PhinnFort> heh, i can't see my karma on the new and improved launchpad...
[03:33] <Ayande> ah i see
[03:33] <Ayande> i will
[03:34] <Ayande> brb gonna give it a try
[03:34] <NiceGuyUK> for real karma, don't be obsessed with your karma ;-)
[03:34] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:35] <PhinnFort> karmaholic
[03:36] <user_> \o
[03:36] <genii> Is the ubotu still down?
[03:36] <genii> !ping
[03:36] <user_> !ssh
[03:36] <PhinnFort> !w00t
[03:36] <genii> Hmm looks like
[03:36] <user_> apparently
[03:36] <PhinnFort> ub-tab, doesn't do anything
[03:36] <PhinnFort> he isn't here
[03:36] <user_> call LjL
[03:37] <wargoth_> !paste
[03:37] <genii> !ops ubotu seems down in #kubuntu
[03:38] <genii> Cept it sorta needs the bot to work ROFL
[03:38] <Jucato> genii: we already know :)
[03:38] <shinigami> why do i still get missing plugin in firefox even after apt-get install sun-java5-jre sre plugin ?
[03:38] <shinigami> !java
[03:38] <Jucato> shinigami: bot's down
[03:38] <easytiger> shinigami: install it manuall?
[03:38] <Jucato> shinigami: have you checked about:plugins in Firefox? how did you install firefox?
[03:38] <PhinnFort> come back
[03:38] <easytiger> manually? its just a symlink in your firefox plugin directory
[03:38] <shinigami> hmm what's the proper package to install java for my necessary rowsing?
[03:39] <shinigami> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:39] <genii> Jucato Interestingly however, when i do /msg ubotu hello      it opens a window etc and works there
[03:39] <Jucato> !ping
[03:40] <jsroy_> I have a problem with my splashscreen: After I enter my password in kdm, I get no splash screen. Also, I get the following error: "No background. Try to put a Background.jpg in theme folder" in a small dialog. When I press the OK button, my kde desktop is replaced with my kdm background until I press a mouse button. When I do, my kde comes back. I dont know what to do... Using Kubuntu 6.10, Linux 2.6.17, KDE 3.5.5. Thanks
[03:40] <PhinnFort> who is handling ubotu?
[03:40] <Jucato> hm... seems to be back but lagging
[03:40] <ubotu> pong
[03:40] <PhinnFort> !kdm
[03:40] <harol> Im having a problem with adept. adept_manager dies silently on startup.
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <PhinnFort> jsroy_: go to System Settings -> Splash Screen, and try switching to another splash
[03:41] <freeware_xp> hey room , i have a question , whats the smallest ubuntu distro with the software packagemanger included?
[03:41] <harol> adept_installer works when i start it, but if i switch from "KDE" packages to "Any Suite", it too instantly dies.
[03:41] <PhinnFort> freeware_xp: probably xubuntu
[03:41] <shinigami> i need java runtime envirnment ..hoich package shd i d/l
[03:42] <PhinnFort> !java | shinigami
[03:42] <ubotu> shinigami: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:42] <genii> Yes xubuntu
[03:42] <jsroy_> I dont think my problem is related with kdm though, it has to do with the slash screen I think.
[03:42] <PhinnFort> jsroy_: did you do as i said?
[03:42] <shinigami> huh?
[03:42] <genii> But for truly minimalistic install of some linux you should look into Damn Small Linux
[03:42] <shinigami> i don't get it. i installed sun-java5-jre
[03:42] <shinigami> is it becoz i need java6?
[03:43] <jsroy_> Yes, I am looking
[03:43] <freeware_xp> is xubuntu smaller than 700 mb _mint linux ?
[03:43] <genii> freeware_xp: No.
[03:43] <user_> can I instruct grub to find boot partition after cluster size changed from 32k to 16k ?
[03:43] <PhinnFort> my sister uses Darn Small Linux
[03:44] <user_> shinigami: uncomment backport in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:44] <jsroy_> I have tried many times changing splash screen, but none will appear. When I enter my password, I am directly brought to the KDE desktop with the error message. I have tried many splash screen without any success
[03:44] <genii> freeware_xp: However, there are some hacks which will let you for instance put the casper (livecd image) on something like a hd or usb key and use that.
[03:44] <shinigami> already did!
[03:44] <genii> freeware_xp: It's ~700Mb
[03:45] <freeware_xp> thanks genii
[03:45] <user_> genii: still no joy with cloning dual boot install
[03:45] <freeware_xp> i just thought their was a ubuntu small distro like 70mb puppy linux
[03:45] <PhinnFort> try DeLi linux
[03:45] <genii> user_ It might help to know what name you had earlier when we discussed this issue :)
[03:46] <freeware_xp> deli ? is it indian linux,?
[03:46] <PhinnFort> freeware_xp: no, Deskop Linux
[03:46] <PhinnFort> extremely lightweight
[03:46] <PhinnFort> i run it on my Pentium (1)
[03:47] <IamBob> lol... indian linux ^^
[03:48] <freeware_xp> deli linux sounds like new deli , might as well call it "curry muncher ubunutu linux"
[03:48] <genii> I used to run at one time MuLinux (microLinux) It ran X off of floppies actually
[03:50] <shinigami> i don't get it..
[03:50] <shinigami> !java
[03:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:50] <nico_> hi
[03:50] <shinigami> i already did the steps but what's the problem
[03:50] <PhinnFort> hi
[03:50] <nico_> does one of you know where to download ATI drivers for feisty?
[03:51] <PhinnFort> nico_: !ati
[03:51] <PhinnFort> !ati | nico
[03:51] <ubotu> nico: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:51] <PhinnFort> i mean;)
[03:51] <genii> PhinnFort: I'm pretty sure there are some fglrx drivers in the feisty repos
[03:51] <PhinnFort> genii: well, i don't think fglrx is any good;)
[03:52] <PhinnFort> nico_: what video card do you have?
[03:52] <nico_> ATI X1600 mobility
[03:52] <PhinnFort> nico_: follow that link, then
[03:52] <nico_> jep
[03:52] <nico_> that's even easier then i thought
[03:52] <PhinnFort> ;)
[03:52] <nico_> driver installed
[03:52] <PhinnFort> heh
[03:53] <nico_> aargh, linux cant get any easier
[03:53] <PhinnFort> hehehehe;)
[03:53] <PhinnFort> I just wait for thought control
[03:53] <eagles0513875> nico do u have open gl
[03:53] <PhinnFort> as in, just wish what the computers want
[03:53] <nico_> remote desktop at persons
[03:53] <eagles0513875> nico_: does open gl work for ya
[03:53] <crube> Is windows key disablet at default? I need it in Beryl.
[03:53] <crube> disabled*
[03:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:53] <nico_> how do i test it
[03:53] <PhinnFort> crube: no
[03:53] <nico_> perhaps i have to restart X eagles0513875
[03:53] <PhinnFort> nico_: remote desktop or gl?
[03:54] <crube> PhinnFort: Alright. Then there must be some other reason it doesn't work.
[03:54] <eagles0513875> nico_: u want to test opengl
[03:54] <PhinnFort> nico_: you need to restart X to get DRI
[03:54] <eagles0513875> nico u registered
[03:54] <nico_> gl PhinnFort
[03:54] <genii> nico_ You may find some help here as well. Just skip down tot he parts dealing with the fglrx drivers for the correct order and syntax of commands. http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[03:54] <eagles0513875> open shell and do glxgears
[03:54] <eagles0513875> if it works the gears wont lag that means u have it
[03:54] <eagles0513875> if they lag then u dont have open gl
[03:54] <PhinnFort> genii: I believe the ubuntu wiki is better than ATI's thingy
[03:54] <eagles0513875> ya that is what i used to get my open gl to work
[03:55] <PhinnFort> nico_: reboot or ctrl+alt+backspace, and run "glxinfo | grep ire"
[03:55] <nico_> i think i have to reboot after installing the drivers
[03:55] <eagles0513875> yes nico
[03:55] <PhinnFort> nico_: if that returns "Direct Rendering: Yes", then you have hardware accelerated OpenGL
[03:55] <nico_> ok PhinnFort im gonna restart X, please repeat that command when i get back
[03:55] <nico_> brb
[03:55] <PhinnFort> nico_: ok
[03:55] <PhinnFort> glhf
[03:56] <nico_> x restarted
[03:56] <PhinnFort> nico_: glxinfo | grep ire
[03:56] <PhinnFort> yes or no?
[03:57] <nico_> hm no protocol specified
[03:57] <nico_> i think i really have to reboot
[03:57] <nico_> brb
[03:57] <PhinnFort> maybe
[03:57] <PhinnFort> nico_: wait
[03:57] <PhinnFort> just "sudo modprobe fglrx"
[03:57] <PhinnFort> ....
[03:57] <PhinnFort> crap
[03:57] <jsroy_> does someone know which file KSplash modifies to keep track of user selected splash screen?
[03:57] <PhinnFort> jsroy_: probably under .kde/config/ksplash
[03:57] <PhinnFort> or something
[03:58] <PhinnFort> .kde/share/config
[03:58] <PhinnFort> maybe
[03:58] <eagles0513875> i know this is goign to freeze my comp so ill brb
[03:58] <cntb> \o
[03:58] <PhinnFort> .kde/share/apps/ksplash/
[03:58] <cntb> hi LjL
[03:58] <PhinnFort> jsroy_: peek around under .kde/share/apps/ksplash/
[03:58] <cntb> haha I did it
[03:58] <PhinnFort> cntb: what?
[03:59] <PhinnFort> nico_: all wel?
[03:59] <PhinnFort> *well
[03:59] <nico_> ok
[03:59] <PhinnFort> glxinfo | grep ire
[03:59] <nico_> hm not really
[03:59] <cntb> cloned in ghost8 a dual boot xp+ Kedgy
[03:59] <LjL> hi
[03:59] <jsroy_> thanks, I found it :-)
[03:59] <nico_> no direct rendering
[03:59] <nico_> and also only low resolution
[03:59] <PhinnFort> nico_: can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:00] <PhinnFort> !paste
[04:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:00] <cntb> had 160gb cloned to 80gb sata was on blinking grub , dd-ed the boot sector to ubuntu.bin invoked from boot.ini and voila
[04:00] <cntb> cloned DUAL BOOT PC on SATA on 965intel
[04:01] <felipe_> hi! i need to run 32bit applications in kubuntu 64... does anybody know how to do it?
[04:01] <PhinnFort> felipe_: search for "ia32"
[04:01] <PhinnFort> in packages
[04:01] <felipe_> hm
[04:01] <felipe_> thanks! i'll try that
[04:01] <PhinnFort> !ia32
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ia32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <cntb> satisfied now will save a separate sata160gb image  and aseparate sata80gb image then hopefully soon make a 250gb clone
[04:02] <cntb> ubotu is back
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is back - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <PhinnFort> !remember is back is good
[04:02] <cntb> ubotu is OK
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is ok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:02] <nico_> lol
[04:02] <nico_> stupid ubotu bot
[04:02] <cntb> !remember ok is ok
[04:02] <razo1> How do i run Konqueror as root?
[04:02] <PhinnFort> he /msg'ed me
[04:02] <Jucato> razo1: kdesu konqueror
[04:02] <PhinnFort> cntb: don't, some op is going to get pissed...
[04:03] <PhinnFort> razo1: alt+f2, "kdesu konqueror"
[04:03] <cntb> PhinnFort: you are right
[04:03] <cntb> you joked right
[04:03] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:03] <nico_> my logfile is pretty big PhinnFort
[04:04] <PhinnFort> nico_: paste it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[04:05] <nico_> http://www.pastebin.ca/420888
[04:06] <nico_> PhinnFort: 3836 lines
[04:06] <PhinnFort> nico_: try cleaning out your xorg.conf
[04:06] <PhinnFort> nico_: paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:06] <Yorokobi> nico_, (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[04:07] <nico_> hm strange since it did work in edgy
[04:07] <nico_> i think i'm missing some drivers here
[04:07] <Yorokobi> AIGLX is built into Xorg in feisty
[04:07] <nico_> libgl1-mesa-dri ??
[04:08] <PhinnFort> nico_: paste the config, mkay?
[04:08] <PhinnFort> "(WW) VESA(0): No valid modes left.  Trying less strict filter..."
[04:08] <razo1> Linux(Kernal version 2.2.14 or 2.4) <<<does that match ubuntu 6.10??
[04:08] <eagles0513875> would the edgy ati wiki help out at all
[04:08] <PhinnFort> razo1: from where is that?
[04:08] <razo1> realteks driver download site
[04:09] <razo1> i need to know withc driver to install
[04:09] <PhinnFort> nico_: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:09] <felipe_> is there some kind of 32bit emulation package or kernel module for kubuntu 64?
[04:09] <PhinnFort> razo1: why do you download drivers?
[04:09] <coty> I just pluged in a new hard drive how do i mount it?
[04:09] <PhinnFort> coty: didn't a funny message pop up?
[04:09] <Yorokobi> razol, edgy uses the 2.6 kernel. You can check yours by running 'uname -a' at a terminal (konsole)
[04:09] <razo1> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#2  someone please go to that link and tell me what driver to download and install
[04:10] <coty> PhinnFort: no
[04:10] <PhinnFort> coty: try alt+f2, type in "media:/"
[04:10] <PhinnFort> razo1: none
[04:10] <[pyro] > hey guys
[04:10] <razo1> but my sound card isnt working
[04:10] <PhinnFort> razo1: you sholdn't download drivers separately
[04:10] <Yorokobi> coty, is this drive already formatted and does it have data on it or is it a raw drive ?
[04:10] <razo1> then how should i get it to work
[04:10] <PhinnFort> razo1: can you paste the output of "dmesg" to a pastebin?
[04:10] <PhinnFort> !paste | razo1
[04:10] <ubotu> razo1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:10] <coty> Yorokobi: its formatted
[04:11] <PhinnFort> coty: did you open "media:/"?
[04:11] <coty> yes
[04:11] <nico_> PhinnFort:  with the dpkg-reconfigure i get the error that xserver-org is not installed
[04:11] <Yorokobi> coty, connected via USB/firewire or SATA/IDE ?
[04:11] <razo1> dmesg?
[04:11] <coty> it sata/ide
[04:11] <PhinnFort> coty: found it?
[04:11] <nico_> im running feisty btw if that's any help
[04:11] <razo1> i dont have the time..
[04:11] <coty> phinnfort: no
[04:11] <razo1> bye and thanks for your help
[04:11] <PhinnFort> razo1: turn up the volume
[04:11] <coty> phinnfort: it does not show uup
[04:12] <PhinnFort> coty: then it hasn't be recognised
[04:12] <PhinnFort> coty: is it powered on?
[04:12] <Yorokobi> coty, sata/ide drives don't auto-mount if they were not present during the OS install
[04:12] <PhinnFort> nico_: xserver-xorg
[04:12] <PhinnFort> remeber the second X
[04:12] <PhinnFort> not xserver-org
[04:12] <coty> PhinnFort: Yorokobi: so what should i do?
[04:12] <nico_> lol
[04:12] <PhinnFort> coty: paste dmesg?
[04:12] <PhinnFort> !paste | coty
[04:12] <ubotu> coty: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:12] <nico_> PhinnFort:  i think you hit the nail on the head there
[04:12] <coty> what msg
[04:13] <Yorokobi> coty, do you know what the dev name is ? /dev/hd?
[04:13] <nico_> vesa PhinnFort ?
[04:13] <PhinnFort> coty: type "dmesg" in a console
[04:13] <coty> ok
[04:13] <PhinnFort> nico_: no vesa, find ati or fglrx
[04:13] <PhinnFort> :D
[04:13] <Yorokobi> coty, you may need to pipe dmesg through a pager : 'dmesg | less' then you can use the arrow keys to go up and down and us '/' and '?' to search
[04:14] <PhinnFort> Yorokobi: not if just pasting...
[04:14] <PhinnFort> it's for my reading delight
[04:14] <PhinnFort> :D
[04:14] <nico_> Video card's bus indentifier, how do i find out wich bus it is on
[04:14] <Yorokobi> PhinnFort, aye, true
[04:14] <coty> wow
[04:14] <PhinnFort> nico_: try just hitting enter
[04:14] <coty> so you want me to past this
[04:14] <PhinnFort> nico_: defaults are mostly sensible
[04:14] <jsroy> I found my bug. Some junk files where in my ./kde/share/apps/ksplash/Themes folder. Removing them solved my problem. Thanks for the help.
[04:14] <PhinnFort> coty: it's the kernel's log
[04:14] <coty> oh
[04:14] <PhinnFort> jsroy: yw
[04:14] <PhinnFort> :D
[04:14] <nico_> PhinnFort:
[04:15] <PhinnFort> yes
[04:15] <nico_> PhinnFort: Framebuffer device interface yes or no
[04:15] <nico_> default n
[04:15] <nico_> o
[04:15] <PhinnFort> no
[04:15] <PhinnFort> try no
[04:15] <PhinnFort> if it doesn't work, you can always go back and change it
[04:15] <nico_> hm keyboard variant
[04:15] <PhinnFort> nico_: where in the world are you?
[04:16] <nico_> the netherlands, but normally i use US international keyboard settings
[04:16] <nico_> acer notebook
[04:16] <PhinnFort> one of the topmost, then
[04:16] <PhinnFort> you find anything sensible?
[04:17] <nico_> PhinnFort: some modules to select here
[04:17] <nico_> bitmap, dbe, ddc, dri, extmod, fretype, glx, int10, vbe
[04:17] <PhinnFort> nico_: just leave the defaults
[04:17] <nico_> and not default selected record and v4l
[04:18] <PhinnFort> it looks sensible
[04:18] <gabbah> hey guys, does apt-get dist-upgrade install the latest ubuntu release, ubuntu edgy?
[04:18] <BruceLeeds2> hier leute - wie siehts aus? ich moechte gerne einen "HP Laser Jet 4200" mit einem pc verbinden, aber er erzaehlt mir als einen von wegen driver waere nicht da. muss ich da noch ienen driver installieren, oder sollten alle driver bereits standartmaessig fuer den HPLJ4200 da sein?
[04:18] <nico_> ok
[04:18] <BruceLeeds2> ups sorry
[04:18] <PhinnFort> nico_: what video driver did oyu choose?
[04:18] <BruceLeeds2> not german - sorry
[04:18] <coty> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13518/
[04:18] <gabbah> i have dapper right now i think
[04:19] <nico_> glx
[04:19] <PhinnFort> nico_: i mean in the beginning
[04:19] <mauro> hi everyone!
[04:19] <PhinnFort> i think "ati" was the default
[04:19] <coty> phinnfort did you get that
[04:19] <nico_> gabbah: i think it will install feisty, the newer verseion
[04:19] <nico_> version
[04:19] <PhinnFort> coty: roger
[04:19] <nico_> yes
[04:19] <coty> PhinnFort: 10-4
[04:19] <nico_> im gonna restart X
[04:19] <nico_> brb
[04:20] <PhinnFort> coty: i think this is the error here: "[17182279.656000]  sd 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to device being removed"
[04:20] <PhinnFort> check the cable
[04:20] <coty> PhinnFort: it is ok
[04:20] <PhinnFort> coty: do you have scsi-disks?
[04:20] <coty> PhinnFort: i dont know
[04:20] <PhinnFort> coty: then you probably don't have
[04:20] <PhinnFort> scsi
[04:20] <coty> ata
[04:20] <Yorokobi> coty, how about SATA ?
[04:21] <coty> i think ata
[04:21] <PhinnFort> coty: try "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt"
[04:21] <coty> ok
[04:21] <Yorokobi> Also, coty, type just 'mount' and paste that to another pastebin, please
[04:21] <coty> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[04:21] <PhinnFort> coty: are you sure you formatted the drive?
[04:22] <coty> yes
[04:22] <PhinnFort> coty: what comes from "dmesg | tail"?
[04:22] <PhinnFort> what is the last line?
[04:22] <coty> hold on
[04:22] <coty> let me past the mount
[04:22] <PhinnFort> ok
[04:23] <luckyone> sup foo's
[04:23] <coty> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13519/
[04:23] <PhinnFort> PSP
[04:23] <Yorokobi> breakfast, luckyone
[04:23] <PhinnFort> ?
[04:23] <coty> yes
[04:23] <PhinnFort> dinner, soon, i hope
[04:23] <coty> PhinnFort: that is my psp
[04:23] <PhinnFort> it's the psp that's troublesome?
[04:23] <coty> PhinnFort: no
[04:24] <PhinnFort> huh
[04:24] <luckyone> my question of the day, what wireless card should I buy for my new PC?
[04:24] <coty> PhinnFort: It is my hard drive
[04:24] <luckyone> I bought a belkin 		window.open('','_parent','');
[04:24] <luckyone> 		window.opener = self;
[04:24] <Yorokobi> coty,would /media/sdb be the new drive?
[04:24] <luckyone> woop
[04:24] <luckyone> s
[04:24] <PhinnFort> Yorokobi: i believe that's the psp
[04:24] <kEEGAn> hi
[04:24] <coty> Yorokobi: i dont know
[04:25] <coty> Yorokobi: nothing at all is showing up
[04:25] <luckyone> I bought a Belkin F5D7050
[04:25] <kEEGAn> can i voice chat on yahoo messenger with GAIM can you suggest some other software
[04:25] <Yorokobi> I'm going to have to borrow by bro's PSP and try it out.
[04:25] <PhinnFort> coty: is it an internal harddrive, or external?
[04:25] <coty> Yorokobi: try what out
[04:25] <nico_> PhinnFort: that didnt go verry well
[04:25] <coty> PhinnFort: internal
[04:26] <PhinnFort> coty: there's something buggy with it... "[17186071.476000]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown"
[04:26] <PhinnFort> nico_: huh?
[04:26] <Yorokobi> luckyone, that card may be a bit too new ... I can't find anything on the madwifi site for it
[04:26] <coty> PhinnFort: it worked when i had windows
[04:27] <Yorokobi> luckyone, you can always plug it in and see what happens :)
[04:27] <luckyone> Yorokobi: what 54G card would you recommend getting
[04:27] <nico_> PhinnFort: my system acted verry strange after reboot, i got the load bar for booting and afterwards i saw it again and then it only gave errors about a camera thing
[04:27] <Yorokobi> luckyone, I use an older DLink G650
[04:27] <luckyone> Yorokobi: I plugged it in, I have a w-master00 and a wlan0
[04:27] <Yorokobi> I don't know if you can find that anymore
[04:27] <PhinnFort> nico_: feisty?
[04:27] <nico_> PhinnFort: i had to recover xorg.conf to getr my system back running
[04:27] <nico_> yes
[04:27] <PhinnFort> nico_: this is weird
[04:27] <luckyone> Yorokobi: I have that card in PCMIA format, I need usb or PCI for the desktop
[04:27] <nico_> and im already sick of feisty
[04:27] <PhinnFort> you should try removing as much as possible from the xorg.conf
[04:28] <PhinnFort> can you paste it, and i'll look at it when I get back?
[04:28] <PhinnFort> or maybe someone else here?
[04:28] <PhinnFort> i need to eat now...;)
[04:28] <nico_> ok
[04:28] <nico_> see you later
[04:28] <eeanm> heh so don't update
[04:28] <luckyone> eeam or don't run the beta...
[04:29] <eeanm> the beta is fine
[04:29] <nico_> im sick of the beta already
[04:29] <nico_> nothing works good enough here
[04:30] <Yorokobi> luckyone, peruse http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility
[04:30] <eeanm> ah well
[04:30] <coty> PhinnFort: so what do i do with my hd
[04:30] <eeanm> suspend works well for me now
[04:30] <coty> phinnfort: i need it
[04:30] <eeanm> that was the main reason I wanted to upgradee
[04:30] <nico_> coty: phinfort is out eating
[04:30] <coty> oh
[04:30] <coty> Yorokobi: so can you tell me
[04:30] <Yorokobi> coty, is there nothing in /media/sdb ?
[04:30] <coty> nothing
[04:32] <coty> Yorokobi: could it be that it is not reconized because i did not have it pluged in at start up
[04:32] <nico_> im gonna try another feisty install with the altrnate CD
[04:32] <nico_> eh Edgy
[04:32] <Yorokobi> coty, what interface is the drive? IDE? SATA? external SATA? USB?
[04:32] <coty> sata
[04:33] <nico_> what is installing a OEM thing
[04:33] <luckyone> another thing, what is the best graphical frontend for managing wireless in KDE?
[04:33] <coty> i dont really know XD
[04:33] <coty> how would i know?
[04:33] <Yorokobi> coty, um ... yeah, try booting the computer with it already connected.
[04:33] <nico_> luckyone: wireless assistant
[04:33] <coty> ok
[04:33] <coty> I'll do that as im done dumping my umd
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> KNetworkManager
[04:33] <luckyone> nico_: can wlassistant do WPA though?
[04:33] <Yorokobi> luckyone, or knetworkmanager (when it works)
[04:33] <nico_> yep
[04:33] <nico_> easy
[04:33] <Daisuke_Ido> this is ridiculous
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> beryl worked JUST fine yesterday.
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> no updates, no changes to my config, and today it white-screens me
[04:34] <coty> Daisukd_Ido: it is buggy
[04:34] <luckyone> nico_: really, I must have an old version or something, mine only supports WEP
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> no, REALLY?
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry
[04:34] <coty> Daisuke_Ido: XD
[04:34] <Daisuke_Ido> just peeved
[04:34] <nico_> luckyone: you even get a wizzard when connecting to a network the first time and then it remembers the settings for example DHCP or static IP so you dont have to change that all the time
[04:34] <Yorokobi> luckyone, you have to use wpa_supplicant with wlassistant
[04:34] <coty> Daisuke_Ido: : it does not work for me anyway
[04:35] <Daisuke_Ido> worked fine until whatever this is
[04:35] <luckyone> Yorokobi: so you manually configure wpa_supplicant, then you can use wlassistant
[04:36] <Yorokobi> luckyone, 1 part yes, 1 part no. Manually config wpa_supp, run it (or daemon it with -B) then use wlassistant
[04:36] <luckyone> I have read some forums where people got the belkin usb dongle I have working with ndsiwrapper
[04:36] <Yorokobi> or use knetworkmanager
[04:36] <nico_> Yorokobi: knetworkmanager has DHCP issues
[04:36] <luckyone> does knetworkmanager automatically configure wpa_supplicant
[04:37] <coty> is there a program that can compress an iso into a cso
[04:37] <Yorokobi> nico_, I know. Oh, how I know.
[04:37] <nico_> so Yorokobi, knetworkmanager sucks
[04:38] <Yorokobi> nico_, it works well, when it works. I end up restarting my AP sometimes
[04:38] <nico_> :D
[04:38] <nico_> well im sick of feisty, im gonna wait for the real deal to come out
[04:38] <nico_> and then i'l upgrade
[04:39] <LjL> myself i wonder why knetworkmanager insists on choosing the *wrong* network interface, since i've got two
[04:39] <LjL> i also wonder why it "chooses" at all, since both are configured statically and should stay that way >:
[04:40] <soulrider> i cant understand why everyone is upgrading to feisty
[04:40] <soulrider> its a beta!
[04:40] <soulrider> just wait a few more days until it comes out and you wont have any issued with it
[04:41] <LjL> hm, want to bet on that? :)
[04:41] <Yorokobi> and all us beta users won't either.
[04:41] <coty> does anyone know what i can use to edit my iso and save it as a cso
[04:41] <nico_> LjL: thats why wireless-assistant is so cool, it remembers wich networks use static and wich dynamic settings and when you select a network it automaticly switches and configure it
[04:41] <soulrider> LjL:  =/
[04:41] <soulrider> LjL: its gonna take longer ?
[04:41] <knubbe> id like to reinstall my laptop (its running kubuntu). i have backed up the things id like to keep. how do you suggest i continue from here?
[04:42] <LjL> soulrider, feisty is beta, and anyone using it should know it's beta and it's got issues. but thinking every single issue will be solved once is released, that's a bit simplicistic
[04:42] <Yorokobi> soulrider, feisty will probably need another 3 months to work out the kinks ... maybe more
[04:42] <soulrider> ahh LjL i know that, but lots of bugs will be fixed
[04:42] <LjL> nico_, maybe, but for starters i don't have wireless, and anyway i'd like whatever comes *with* ubuntu to not garble my network settings ;)
[04:42] <nico_> ooh ok
[04:42] <nico_> :p
[04:42] <coty> Yorokobi: do you know of a iso compresser
[04:42] <soulrider> so feisty isnt gonna be that great after all ?
[04:42] <Yorokobi> knubbe, download an ISO and re-install
[04:43] <nico_> soulrider: it's gonna be great, but there has to be done some work first
[04:43] <Yorokobi> coty, I do not, unless you want to gzip it
[04:43] <coty> no
[04:43] <coty> like make it a cso
[04:43] <LjL> soulrider, not sure this one i'm talking about is even considered a "bug"... actually, i haven't quite understood what network-manager means by "selecting an interface". i mean - my /etc/network/interfaces lists two interfaces, both statically configured, and *working* with that configuration. i haven't got a clue why network-manager would decide one interface is being used, and the other isn't
[04:43] <soulrider> as we speak im installing arch :P well, its installed im just installing GNOME
[04:43] <LjL> it just shouldn't override whatever i set in /e/n/i
[04:43] <knubbe> Yorokobi: ok, thanks
[04:44] <Yorokobi> coty, http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ISO+-+DAX+-+CSO+Converter?content=49674
[04:44] <coty> thanks
[04:44] <soulrider> LjL: i think im like the only one who has had better hardware experiences in ubuntu than in wondows :P
[04:44] <Yorokobi> coty, you may want to check the repositories for that program
[04:44] <coty> i am
[04:44] <soulrider> i have hardware that works better in linux than in windows
[04:44] <Yorokobi> coty, oh, and thank google :)
[04:44] <coty> lol
[04:45] <coty> Yorokobi: i have been looking for one on adept
[04:45] <LjL> soulrider, my hardware works fine in ubuntu - well, except for the kernel that needs noapic -, this is totally a software problem. (ok, all hardware problems are software problems, but here the network driver itself is working fine)
[04:45] <soulrider> coty: program to do that ?
[04:45] <soulrider> for me too LjL
[04:45] <LjL> i bet if i just purge network-manager everything will work as it should, but it should work without doing that
[04:45] <coty> yes
[04:46] <coty> i need my umd games for my psp that i dumped into an iso to be compress to fit on my memory stick
[04:46] <soulrider> coty: isnt that illegal? :P
[04:46] <Yorokobi> soulrider, not if he bought the games
[04:46] <coty> no
[04:46] <coty> not if you own them
[04:46] <coty> there called backups
[04:47] <Yorokobi> but what's the point? If you have the UMD, why put it on a memory stick ?
[04:47] <soulrider> i dont really care anyways, i </3 sony, so you can steal from them asll you want as far as im concerned
[04:47] <Yorokobi> UMD will last longer that flash (over time)
[04:47] <soulrider> whats UMD?
[04:47] <Yorokobi> s/that/than/ ^^
[04:47] <coty> lol
[04:47] <coty> well....
[04:47] <coty> .....
[04:47] <coty> some times
[04:47] <coty> when i dont have money at the tiem
[04:47] <coty> time
[04:47] <Yorokobi> UMD is the itty-bitty optical disk PSPs use
[04:48] <Flare183> does anyone know how to make gtk application look like kde applications
[04:48] <coty> but i end up paying for htem
[04:48] <soulrider> Yorokobi: havnt seen any PSPs in my life :P
[04:48] <coty> umd stands for unerversal media disk
[04:48] <Yorokobi> Flare183, :) Gnome
[04:48] <coty> they hold 1.8 gb
[04:48] <BluesKaj> forgotten how to add minimized windows to the panel ... installed the new kernel and upgraded kde
[04:48] <soulrider> BluesKaj: the application list applet ?
[04:49] <Flare183> I am using KDE right now, I have just switched from gnome and i want to know how to make them look like KDE applications
[04:49] <soulrider> flare, i dont think youy can make GTK apps look like QT apps
[04:49] <Yorokobi> Flare183, there's an option in the Display settings for tweaking GTK apps but its kinda iffy
[04:49] <BluesKaj> no, when you minimize a browser or app page , it doesn't minimize to the panel
[04:50] <Yorokobi> BluesKaj, I think soulrider had it. You need to add the app list applet to the panel
[04:50] <soulrider> BluesKaj: where does it minimize to? =/
[04:50] <Yorokobi> Its called Taskbar in the applets menu
[04:51] <soulrider> BluesKaj: or you mean the tray? like when you close amarok, it just sits on the tray
[04:51] <BluesKaj> it minimizes to menubar art the top , but doesn't show the icon , which i prefer
[04:51] <Jucato> soulrider, Flare183: Kubuntu comes with a GTK2 engine that tries to mimic KDE/Qt widget styles.
[04:52] <soulrider> Jucato: i had no idea
[04:52] <BluesKaj> soulrider , yes the tray thepanel or whatever it's supposed to be called
[04:52] <aaroncampbell> I switched back to my bluetooth kb/mouse (couldn't use it during install).  As soon as I plugged in the USB key, it worked great.  Now, everytime I reboot, I have to unplug the usb key, and plug it back in before the KB or mouse work
[04:52] <Jucato> soulrider, Flare183: the control for it is in System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK+ Style and Fonts
[04:52] <Flare183> i don't really want that i just want to get rid of gnome all togetther
[04:53] <coty> how do i install this app
[04:53] <soulrider> Flare183: just use QT apps then
[04:53] <Jucato> Flare183: what do you mean? it has nothing to do w/ GNOME except that it tries to make GTK/GNOME apps look like KDE apps. isn't that what you're asking for?
[04:53] <soulrider> coty: what app ?
[04:53] <nico_> does anyone know what a OEM install is at the alternate CD?
[04:53] <jervine> Flare183: so which GNOME apps did you want to make look like KDE? there might well be suitable KDE alternatives?
[04:53] <Flare183> nevermind i figured it out
[04:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: right-click on the Panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> look for Taskbar?
[04:54] <nico_> !OEM
[04:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[04:54] <Jucato> abattoir: ^^^^^
[04:54] <abattoir> nico_: it's meant for vendor/companies who sell pcs with kubuntu pre-installed
[04:55] <soulrider> :O abattoir is here, i havnt seen you in a while...
[04:55] <abattoir> hi soulrider :)
[04:55] <abattoir> yeah, busy with exams :(
[04:55] <soulrider> aww :(
[04:55] <nico_> abattoir: what's the best way to get a basic kubuntu system
[04:55] <Jucato> soulrider: you need to open your eyes more :)
[04:55] <soulrider> i got one on wed next week, i need to start studying
[04:56] <abattoir> nico_: depends on what you mean by 'basic' really
[04:56] <Yorokobi> coty, the install instructions are on the page I gave you
[04:56] <Yorokobi> Good luck
[04:56] <abattoir> nico_: a typical livecd install gives you a 'basic' kubuntu installation
[04:56] <nico_> abattoir: not to much software, just enoug to get going. the other stuff i need can be installed later
[04:57] <soulrider> Jucato: indeed :P
[04:57] <soulrider> damn, my friend just messaged me saying his kubuntu installation locks up after 10 minutes of use
[04:57] <root> hello
[04:57] <Jucato> nico_: the Desktop/Live CD or the default installation on the Alternate Install CD does exactly that. a basic installation. basic desktop stuff
[04:58] <abattoir> nico_: i'd say kubuntu is pretty lean, considering some distros come with 3 or more cds
[04:58] <nico_> abattoir: that's tru
[04:58] <nico_> e
[04:58] <nico_> abattoir: what about SuSe: 5CD's, Fedora core 5 or 6
[04:58] <abattoir> soulrider: best of luck for your exams :)
[04:58] <Yorokobi> nico_, that's when you get the DVD ISO :)
[04:58] <root> when i run my system (kubuntu) the kde desktop start automatic i want to make my system start only console
[04:58] <soulrider> to you to abattoir
[04:59] <abattoir> nico_: each have their own audience, advantages etc.
[04:59] <root> and i will start kde by type (startkde) or startx
[04:59] <Yorokobi> root, put 'exit 0' on the 2nd line of /etc/init.d/kdm
[05:00] <nico_> im gonna install edgy now
[05:00] <nico_> feisty is not stable enough yet
[05:01] <root> in my system i dont have kdm in the /etc/init.d
[05:01] <root> what to do ??
[05:01] <soulrider> can snyone think of a reason why my kubuntu installation used 17 mb or swap all the time ?
[05:01] <Yorokobi> root, what about gdm ?
[05:01] <soulrider> root: gdm ?
[05:01] <nico_> see you later
[05:02] <root> i dont have gdm too
[05:02] <root> i have ldm
[05:02] <Yorokobi> root ... um, xdm ?
[05:02] <root> no
[05:03] <Yorokobi> root, ldm then
[05:03] <Yorokobi> change ldm
[05:03] <Yorokobi> !ldm
[05:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ldm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:04] <root> ldm is default-display-manager ???
[05:04] <Yorokobi> root, are you making X connections via SSH?
[05:04] <Yorokobi> root, yes ldm is a (k|d|x)dm alternative
[05:04] <Yorokobi> ldm is an X11 display manager similar to xdm, gdm and kdm, but unlike those it wraps the X11 traffic within an ssh tunnel to provide a secure login mechanism for remote X sessions.  ldm provides access only through SSH, not locally. It is technically possible to use ldm to connect to the same host, but probably a waste of CPU power.
[05:05] <charlesHKG> My screen resolution went from 1600 X 1280 to 640 X 480 and I cant change the resolution to what it should be.  no new Hardware, the video card is ok, as windows resolution is still 1600 X 1280.....hElP
[05:05] <root> now i did i can edit ldm ??
[05:05] <root> or not
[05:05] <Yorokobi> root, sudo (vim|nano|pico|emacs) /etc/init.d/ldm
[05:05] <root> Yorokobi can i edit ldm ??
[05:06] <root> now i open ldm but i have in the end exit 0
[05:07] <root> what to do ??
[05:07] <Yorokobi> root, add it to line #2
[05:07] <Yorokobi> line #1: #!/bin/sh
[05:07] <Yorokobi> line #2: exit 0
[05:07] <Yorokobi> leave the rest alone
[05:08] <root> now i have to restart my computer
[05:08] <Yorokobi> root, nope
[05:08] <root> i will back
[05:08] <root> what ?
[05:08] <Yorokobi> root, sudo pkill ldm
[05:08] <Yorokobi> or 'ps wax | grep ldm' then sudo kill -9 <pid>
[05:08] <eagles0513875> i need a flac decoder for amarok
[05:10] <charlesHKG> My screen resolution went from 1600 X 1280 to 640 X 480 and I cant change the resolution to what it should be.  no new Hardware, the video card is ok, as windows resolution is still 1600 X 1280.....hElP
[05:10] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, do an adept/synaptic/dselect search for libflac
[05:10] <root> sudo: unable to lookup PhpHack via gethostbyname()
[05:10] <root> what to do ??
[05:10] <eagles0513875> ty Yorokobi
[05:10] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, and liboggflac3
[05:11] <Yorokobi> root, what is PhpHack? your login name or the computer's host name?
[05:12] <Yorokobi> !fixres | charlesHKG
[05:12] <ubotu> charlesHKG: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:12] <eagles0513875> those didnt work
[05:12] <eagles0513875> i just tried to play the file in amarok and it says there is no available decoder
[05:13] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, which engine are you using?
[05:13] <eagles0513875> what u mean
[05:13] <eagles0513875> im using the latest version of amarok
[05:13] <eagles0513875> i am using amarok 1.4.5
[05:13] <charlesHKG> thanks ubotu
[05:13] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, 1s
[05:13] <eagles0513875> ?
[05:13] <PF-Away> eagles0513875: go to amarok settings
[05:13] <PF-Away> eagles0513875: engine
[05:13] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:14] <eagles0513875> ok im there
[05:14] <eagles0513875> im using the xine engine
[05:14] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, do you have libxine-extracodecs installed ?
[05:14] <eagles0513875> i believe so
[05:15] <eagles0513875> the extra codecs r installed
[05:16] <eagles0513875> yet its still not workin
[05:18] <root> Yorokobi thank you very very very much
[05:18] <root> you are the best
[05:18] <Yorokobi> no prob, root
[05:18] <root> really you help me a lot
[05:18] <root> now when i start my system the first thing start console
[05:19] <root> but when i type"startx" the kde starting automatic
[05:19] <root> can i staxt x non start kde
[05:19] <root> ??????????
[05:19] <eagles0513875> Yorokobi: what other decoders r there that will work with amarok
[05:19] <dwidmann> in my experience startx always worked much more consistently than than startkde
[05:20] <eagles0513875> cuz flac decoder still isnt showing up
[05:20] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, honestly, I'm not sure. I always convert flac to mp3 when I get them
[05:20] <root> Yorokobi but i have kde and gnome
[05:21] <root> and want to start x at the first after this i start kde or gnome
[05:21] <eagles0513875> so should i encode as mp3s with bit rate 320 and smapling at 48,000
[05:21] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: you can't play flac in amarok ... well, you might be able to with a patch
[05:21] <dwidmann> I'm not sure, but I looked into that the other day
[05:21] <Yorokobi> root, you'll want a display manager to pick and choose ... or modify your .xinitrc manually every time :)
[05:21] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: The folks in #amarok might know
[05:21] <eagles0513875> ty dwidmann
[05:22] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, how about that. Amarok does not play flac
[05:22] <eagles0513875> it says no available decoder
[05:23] <Yorokobi> oh, dwidmann beat me to it (again :)
[05:23] <eagles0513875> Yorokobi: should i convert them to high quality mp3s
[05:23] <eagles0513875> 320 bitrate 48000 sampling
[05:23] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: you could always use ogg :P
[05:23] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, amarok does play mp3s so ...
[05:23] <eagles0513875> i have them in ogg right now and audio quality suxs balls
[05:23] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, or try XMMS
[05:24] <eagles0513875> ok Yorokobi ill do mp3s
[05:24] <eagles0513875> xmms??
[05:24] <eagles0513875> !xmms
[05:24] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:24] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: use quality 6+ with ogg, the quality is nice
[05:24] <eagles0513875> i think im going to stick with mp3s
[05:24] <Ash-Fox> the mp4 audio support in xmms is rather buggy.
[05:24] <dwidmann> The "blade" mp3 codec is very nice for archiving also
[05:25] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, http://element14.wordpress.com/2006/09/28/play-flac-files-in-amarok-on-ubuntu/
[05:25] <Yorokobi> if you really want to play flac in amarok
[05:25] <eagles0513875> ty Yorokobi
[05:25] <eagles0513875> im goign to convert to high quality mp3s
[05:25] <root> how to connect using user name and password by pppoe ??
[05:25] <Yorokobi> !pppoe
[05:25] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[05:27] <eagles0513875> mp4 isnt that rather itunes specific
[05:28] <jkkj> Hi all! I know nano supports syntax highlighting but it wob't highlight anything i open. Do i need to do anything special to get this working on kubuntu ?
[05:28] <LjL> jkkj, do you really *want* to? nano's syntax highlighting is so slow... =)
[05:28] <sampan> weird, my amarok plays flac files fine without that patch.  is that for edgy or feisty?
[05:28] <Ryiel> !bluetooth
[05:28] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[05:28] <LjL> jkkj: anyway, yeah, you need to do some things to enable it, though right now i don't quite remember what. i'll check
[05:29] <jkkj> LjL: Well i would at least like to try it :)
[05:29] <ubuntu> Yorokobi:
[05:29] <eagles0513875> edgy samp
[05:29] <ubuntu> help
[05:29] <ubuntu> me
[05:30] <ubuntu> i am a conanicalian
[05:30] <Yorokobi> ubuntu, whazzup ?
[05:30] <sampan> eagles0513875  odd ... i remember trying to help someone who couldn't get flac working in flac a couple weeks ago and giving up because it "just worked" for me :X  nice to know there's a patch for this when it crops up
[05:30] <ubuntu> hi
[05:30] <eagles0513875> what kinda patch
[05:30] <eagles0513875> and where
[05:30] <sampan> errr couldn't get flac working in amarok -- too early in the morning
[05:30] <root> the pppoe working in all kde desktops but in gnome (ubuntu) dont work
[05:30] <Yorokobi> conanicalian ... so many possibilities with that word
[05:30] <sampan> eagles0513875   http://element14.wordpress.com/2006/09/28/play-flac-files-in-amarok-on-ubuntu/
[05:30] <root> the software work but i dont have connection
[05:31] <dec_> does anyone know of a good easy to use c++ developer tool I am using kdevelop and i am having some problems
[05:32] <root> the best c++ console develop package is gcc
[05:32] <sampan> eagles0513875  but maybe that patch is for dapper?  just checked the forum post link he gives and it's pretty old.  even stranger
[05:32] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:32] <root> and the best visual c++ packages is qt4
[05:32] <dec_> is qt4 available from synaptics
[05:33] <MK_Mike> Hey All, if i'm runing a termanal program how can like make it go into the background?
[05:33] <Yorokobi> MK_Mike, add & to the end of the command
[05:33] <root> dec_ i dont uderstand you
[05:34] <Yorokobi> dec_, are you looking for an IDE?
[05:34] <dec_> yes an ide
[05:34] <Yorokobi> eclipse is okay
[05:34] <Yorokobi> Vim has some good plugins for C++
[05:35] <sebbar> hi, I've got an mp3 player which gets mounted but when I try to delete a song it says the filesystem was mounted read only so how do I mount it with rw permissions?
[05:35] <eagles0513875> what mp3 encoder and decoder do i need to download
[05:35] <ubuntu> Does mozilla have their own distro?
[05:35] <dec_> thank you I will try
[05:35] <root> dec_ try qt designer
[05:35] <Admiral_Chicago> ubuntu: not at all
[05:35] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, lame is a decent encoder
[05:35] <eagles0513875> ok what bout decoder
[05:36] <root> dec_ http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/qt3-designer
[05:37] <dec_> i just installed qt4 and now i cannot find it to run it is not under development
[05:39] <abattoir> dec_: did you install qt4-designer?
[05:39] <dec_> yes
[05:39] <abattoir> dec_: try Alt+F2 and enter designer
[05:39] <eagles0513875> what thing do i need for mp3 replay gain
[05:40] <dec_> abattoir that did it it is up, do I have to do that all the time to open the program
[05:41] <root> dec_ see near the red leds (in debian packages website) this packages you have to install it before you install qt designer
[05:41] <abattoir> dec_: i'd expect it to be in the menus, wonder what went wrong
[05:41] <abattoir> dec_: installed it through adept?
[05:41] <dec_> i used synaptics to install it
[05:42] <root> what is synaptics ??
[05:42] <dec_> package manager for kde
[05:42] <abattoir> !synaptic | root
[05:42] <ubotu> root: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[05:42] <Jucato> it's not for KDE though
[05:42] <abattoir> dec_: adept is what kubuntu uses by default
[05:42] <dec_> whats not for kde - qt4
[05:42] <abattoir> dec_: kynaptic is it's 'equivalent' for KDE
[05:42] <root> aaa ok
[05:43] <eagles0513875> Yorokobi: what pkg do i download for mp3 replay gain
[05:43] <dec_> how do i install kynaptic
[05:43] <abattoir> dec_: i'd recommend giving adept a try first though, if you haven't already done so
[05:43] <LjL> !info kynaptic
[05:43] <ubotu> Package kynaptic does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:43] <LjL> dec_: afraid you don't, use Adept
[05:43] <abattoir> dec_: since it's already installed
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> eagles0513875: libxine-extracodecn
[05:43] <LjL> kynaptic is quite outdated i think
[05:43] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, for what? Amarok? XMMS? Banshee? I think libxine-extracodecs is all you need for amarok
[05:43] <matze> take synaptic
[05:44] <dec_> i suppose i will just use at f2 to use it for now
[05:44] <eagles0513875> no for soundkonverter
[05:44] <eagles0513875> its for soundkonverter Yorokobi
[05:44] <abattoir> dec_: you could also create a desktop shortcut/panel shortcut if you want to
[05:44] <Yorokobi> eagles0513875, I've not used that before
[05:44] <eagles0513875> anyone use sound konverter before
[05:44] <dec_> i will try that thank you all
[05:45] <ranjan> i use a kommander script for sound / media conversion
[05:45] <pjesi> can someone tell me why I cannot control the cpu level as in other districutions with kde?
[05:45] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:46] <eagles0513875> nm now its saying built in
[05:46] <Yorokobi> pjesi, control how?
[05:46] <eagles0513875> i think he wants to control cpu frequency
[05:46] <Yorokobi> laptop or desktop?
[05:46] <ranjan> kommander script media conversion : http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+media+converter?content=53555
[05:47] <pjesi> Yorokobi: for instance run on less mhz, pentium-m
[05:47] <Yorokobi> pjesi, laptop then? There should be a battery icon in the systray. Right-click and there'll be an option (somewhere :)) that'll let you set the frequency to dynamic
[05:48] <Yorokobi> or to whatever you want
[05:48] <pjesi> Yorokobi: well that is how is should be, but it is not
[05:48] <pjesi> it only offers suspend, hibernate, restore and quit
[05:49] <Yorokobi> pjesi, no options?
[05:49] <pjesi> no
[05:49] <eagles0513875> to enable mp3 support in amarok what pkg do i download
[05:49] <Yorokobi> pjesi, feisty, edgy, dapper? or older?
[05:49] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: libxine-extracodecs
[05:49] <eagles0513875> i have that installed and its still not happy
[05:50] <Daisuke_Ido> libmad0
[05:50] <eagles0513875> ?>
[05:50] <Daisuke_Ido> should have been installed with libxine-extracodecs though
[05:50] <pjesi> edgy
[05:50] <eagles0513875> ok ill check
[05:50] <Daisuke_Ido> you will need to restart amarok though
[05:51] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok then ill restart it
[05:51] <supernix> which apache server do you recommend the 2.0 or the older one ?
[05:51] <eagles0513875> its workin
[05:51] <eagles0513875> lol its funny how alot of the problems r so stupid and simple ones
[05:51] <coty> can someone tell me how i would mount a new hd
[05:52] <pjesi> Yorokobi: I http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9489/ff7jb1.png
[05:52] <coty> I'm not sure it is reconized
[05:52] <coty> Yorokobi: i restarted the computer
[05:52] <Yorokobi> pjesi, use Restore
[05:52] <varaonaid> hi, I'm trying to run the livedvd of kubuntu 6.10 and it won't boot into x.  It seems to have problems loading the bcm43xx mod or something and gives those errors but eventually just goes to command prompt.
[05:53] <Yorokobi> that should really be relabeled to Options
[05:53] <varaonaid> I really want to try it out, any suggestions?
[05:53] <pjesi> Yorokobi: well they dont include any options to control the cpu
[05:53] <coty> is dvd drive first in bios boot
[05:53] <pjesi> only what to do when the lid is closed and what to do when battery is empty
[05:54] <varaonaid> yes, I get the boot options and such, I chose typical startup (first on the list)
[05:54] <Yorokobi> pjesi, I guess I upgraded my laptop to feisty too early :)
[05:54] <coty> then what happens it just goes to command prompt?
[05:54] <Yorokobi> The feisty one has CPU frequency options
[05:54] <Yorokobi> varaonaid, SLI ??
[05:54] <pjesi> Yorokobi: ok that is great, too bad I cant upgrate atm
[05:55] <varaonaid> yes, it tries to boot twice, I see the kubuntu logo then the bcm errors, then the logo again then the prompt
[05:55] <coty> varaonaid: maybe it is a disk problem
[05:55] <varaonaid> Yorokibi: I don't know what SLI is, sorry
[05:55] <pjesi> still sucks, have been using this in other distros for over a year
[05:55] <Yorokobi> pjesi, sorry ... maybe someone else here has a laptop with edgy ??
[05:55] <coty> varaonaid: run the disk check
[05:55] <Yorokobi> varaonaid, that answers my question :)
[05:56] <varaonaid> OK, is that in the boot options?
[05:56] <coty> yes
[05:56] <varaonaid> Yorokobi: not sure how that answered it but that's good :)
[05:57] <pjesi> and yes, they should definitely change it to Option, restore makes no sense
[05:57] <coty> varaonaid: when you get to the menu and you see run underneath you should see disk check
[05:57] <varaonaid> coty: thanks.  I'll do that
[05:57] <coty> ok
[05:58] <coty> varaonaid: is this on a second computer you have
[05:59] <Yorokobi> !sli > yorokobi
[05:59] <varaonaid> no, the one I'm currently using, why?
[05:59] <coty> because you have not loged out
[05:59] <coty> XD
[06:00] <varaonaid> yeah, I'm about to.  I'll bbiab.
[06:00] <coty> ok
[06:04] <frojnd> Setting up nvidia-glx (1.0.9755+2.6.20.4-13.14) ..    I've upgraded packages and looks like nvidia-glx is also upgraded or does that mean that only package got newr version and I have to install the new package nvidia-glx by myself?
[06:05] <frojnd> and why the ** system works so sloow after I upgraded!?!?
[06:06] <Yorokobi> frojnd, if 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' says you already have the newest version then its installed
[06:06] <rob__> hello everybody
[06:07] <dwidmann> frojnd: should have upgrade fine, you're running feisty right?
[06:07] <dwidmann> *upgraded
[06:07] <frojnd> this is annoying... my system works alot slower than before sudo apt-get upgrade, despite there wasn't any erors..
[06:07] <frojnd> dwidmann: feisty yes
[06:09] <manu_> hi
[06:09] <rob__> im a ubuntu dapper user with a kubuntu-desktop installed
[06:09] <manu_> i have no sound with my tv tuner card, somone knows the reason?
[06:09] <manu_> the picture is fine
[06:09] <billytwowilly> dapper. old school.
[06:10] <rob__> i like it
[06:10] <BluesKaj> manu, ATI card ?
[06:10] <manu_> BluesKaj: nvidia
[06:10] <rob__> most stable OS ive ever seen
[06:10] <manu_> BluesKaj:  graphics card nvidia tv median, phillips chip
[06:11] <BluesKaj> then yer in luck
[06:11] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[06:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:12] <BluesKaj> !nvidea-tv
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidea-tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <BluesKaj> !nvidia-tv
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia-tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <rob__> does anybody know how to fix this >>>> warzone2100: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libphysfs-1.0.so.1)
[06:12] <Daisuke_Ido> it's funny how "old school" now refers to something less than a year old
[06:13] <manu_> BluesKaj: i've allready 3d support installed,, but kopete e.g. freezes sometimes with webcam...
[06:15] <BluesKaj> manu , there are tv tuner help sites on the net , most video help here is for graphics cards ..tv tuner cards are too specific for general help here, in most cases
[06:15] <tictric> Hi folks, having a look at feisty. How do I get rid of that desktop search icon in the taskbar? I'm already using kerry.
[06:16] <manu_> BluesKaj: hm ok thx and do you know why my whole system freezes sometimes with webcam & kopete? i had it 2 times
[06:17] <BluesKaj> manu , no I'm sorry ... Yorokobi ?
[06:17] <varaonaid> hi, I'm back.  the disc check showed no problems. 0 checksums failed.
[06:17] <Yorokobi> I have no idea.
[06:18] <Yorokobi> manu_,  you may want to google it and see if some of the support forums have any suggestions
[06:18] <crube> What's the command for running .run files?
[06:18] <Yorokobi> Try the Ubuntu wiki, too (wiki.ubuntu.com)
[06:19] <Yorokobi> crube, try 'file <therunfile.run> and paste back the results
[06:19] <manu_> Yorokobi: as i can remeber i had with nvidia 3d and kubuntu never a hard freeze (whole system) but since today with my installed webcam :(
[06:19] <blueyed> Does somebody also use beryl and can test, if selecting "Log out..." in the KDE menu works? The action dialog with the buttons gets hidden here.
[06:19] <crube> Yorokobi: "ufoai-2.1-linux.run: Bourne shell script text executable"
[06:19] <Yorokobi> crube, 'sh ufoai-2.1-linux.run'
[06:19] <crube> Yorokobi: Alright, thanks :)
[06:19] <manu_> Yorokobi: have you ever heared something abot this? i thought freezes with nvidia isnt possible^^ (my old ati card made because of the driver kernel panics)
[06:20] <Yorokobi> manu_, the freeze seems to be the province of the webcam, yesno?
[06:20] <manu_> Yorokobi: 99%
[06:20] <manu_> yes
[06:21] <mauro> !xorg
[06:21] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:21] <Yorokobi> Is the webcam listed as compatible with Linux (or the 2.6 kernel)? and/or with Kopete?
[06:22] <Yorokobi> varaonaid, is your wifi a PCI card, PCMCIA or integrated?
[06:22] <varaonaid> integrated into my laptop
[06:23] <jhutchins> Heh, I just got spam on undernet to join the Romanian nvidia channel.
[06:23] <Yorokobi> varaonaid, well, I don't see why X would be crashing because of the wifi card ... what does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log say (look at the bottom for EE entries)
[06:24] <Yorokobi> !pastebin
[06:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:24] <Yorokobi> varaonaid, or paste the log to ^^
[06:24] <varaonaid> Yorokobi: how do I get to view  that file during the startup?
[06:24] <Yorokobi> varaonaid, during startup? that's tricky but possible ... does X start at all ?
[06:25] <jhutchins> varaonaid: Edit the boot command to eliminate "splash" and "quiet"/
[06:25] <jhutchins> .
[06:25] <stonerrob420> yo
[06:25] <coty> I just read some were about updating the bios
[06:25] <varaonaid> Yorokobi: no, X doesn't start.  I end up at the ubuntu prompt
[06:25] <coty> how would i do that
[06:26] <jhutchins> coty: You need the bios update file from the manufacturer of your motherboard, and the bios flash utility from them as well. It will usually only run in DOS.
[06:26] <coty> oh
[06:26] <jhutchins> coty: It's a really good idea to do it though.
[06:26] <coty> so were would i get this
[06:26] <jhutchins> coty: You can get dos boot floppy/cd images on the 'net.
[06:26] <coty> ok
[06:26] <jhutchins> coty: From the manufacturer's web site.
[06:26] <coty> which one
[06:27] <coty> intel
[06:27] <coty> or emacine
[06:27] <coty> cant speel
[06:27] <coty> spell
[06:27] <coty> XD
[06:27] <jhutchins> coty: Asus is notorious for shipping motherboards with early bioses that need to be update.
[06:27] <Yorokobi> Does anyone know if the livecd version of exim is set to mail to outside (not just local delivery)?
[06:27] <jhutchins> coty: Motherboard, not PC.  Intell?
[06:27] <coty> lol
[06:27] <jhutchins> coty: Also not CPU.
[06:27] <coty> how do i know who made my motherboard
[06:28] <coty> ok
[06:28] <varaonaid> biab
[06:28] <jhutchins> coty: It might display something when it starts to boot, you might need to look at the motherboard in the case, or you might need to check with eMachines. eMachines MIGHT also have the updates for your model.
[06:29] <coty> ok
[06:29] <jhutchins> You will need the EXACT model number, and it's a good idea to have the serial number of the bios from when it starts to boot.
[06:29] <coty> so it is a good idea to update
[06:29] <jhutchins> You can usually pause the boot process at that point with the "Pause (Break)" key.
[06:29] <manu_> Yorokobi: it is compatible with spca5xx and i loaded the module with modprobe, kopete shows the nme of the camera aiptek slim3200 and all is fine till the freeze
[06:29] <blueyed> Is somebody using beryl+Feisty here?!
[06:30] <just-this-time> make it 2 jhutchins
[06:30] <Yorokobi> blueyed, yep
[06:30] <Yorokobi> manu_, I'd search around with google and the ubuntu wikis/forums
[06:30] <blueyed> Yorokobi: does "Log out..." in the KDE menu work? I mean: do you see the action buttons? With me, they get hidden and I have to press Escape to get back from the greyed out screen.
[06:31] <jhutchins> just-this-time: Sorry, you'll have to make another pot, I got the last of it.
[06:31] <manu_> Yorokobi: searched a lot... :(
[06:31] <coty> I dont see anywere on the motherboard on how made it
[06:31] <Yorokobi> As far as I know. Now that I think about it ... I haven't restarted/logged out since I got beryl working
[06:31] <blueyed> I have not found a bug report about this yet and it would be nice if somebody could confirm this.
[06:32] <Yorokobi> blueyed, Xgl or AIGLX ?
[06:32] <knubbe> do you recommend me to install swiftfox via their installation script or should i add their apt repository?
[06:33] <blueyed> Yorokobi: force-aiglx, because of the nvidia black window bug.
[06:33] <blueyed> Yorokobi: does the "Log out..." dialog work for you?
[06:33] <Yorokobi> blueyed, AIGLX is built-in to Xorg with feisty ... I couldn't get Xgl to work
[06:34] <Yorokobi> blueyed, if NX supported Xgl/AIGLX then I could test it but I'm at work and my feisty box is at home
[06:34] <blueyed> Yorokobi: ah, ok.
[06:34] <blueyed> Someone else here using Feisty + Beryl?
[06:34] <blueyed> (currently :)
[06:36] <Yorokobi> blueyed, have you checked the beryl-project.org forums?
[06:36] <nico_> and i'm BACK
[06:36] <crube> blueyed: Yeah. I'm using Feisty+Beryl and it's working great
[06:37] <fuel> !codeblocks
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codeblocks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <fuel> is code blocks available in repository ?
[06:38] <nico__> hm almost everything then :p
[06:38] <blueyed> crube: Can you please check the "Log out..." dialog in the KDE menu? Are the buttons visible to you after the screen got grey? (use Escape to come back, if the buttons are not visible anymore)
[06:38] <crube> blueyed: Visible
[06:39] <nico__> does someone know how to upgrade to the latest KDE version?
[06:39] <blueyed> crube: thanks. Then I have to figure out why it gets hidden here.. :) Are you using nvidia-binary driver?
[06:39] <Yorokobi> nico__, edgy or feisty ?
[06:39] <nico__> edgy
[06:39] <nico__> thank goodness
[06:40] <Yorokobi> nico__, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[06:40] <crube> blueyed: No. I have an integrated graphic card, and I didn't have to install any graphic drivers, so it might be your drivers.
[06:40] <nico__> tnx
[06:41] <nico__> they sure were not joking when they were talking about the 'ubuntu community'
[06:42] <nico__> much support here
[06:42] <blueyed> crube: now I've changed the window decorator from Aquamarine to GTK window decorator and back to Aquamarine and the dialog stays visible. Strange.
[06:43] <Yorokobi> blueyed, try emerald instead of aquamarine
[06:43] <Yorokobi> if its a decoration issue
[06:43] <Yorokobi> <-- never had success with aquamarine
[06:44] <inteliwasp> yl
[06:44] <nico__> w00t upgrading to the latest
[06:44] <nico__> KDE
[06:48] <Yorokobi> !ro > Yorokobi
[06:48] <blueyed> Yorokobi: it now works also with Aquamarine.. I just had to toggle it.
[06:48] <andreas_> Hallo und einen schnen guten Tag zusammen
[06:48] <wolferine> how do I use/install sshd in server editition?
[06:49] <Yorokobi> blueyed, congrats
[06:49] <Yorokobi> wolferine, install: 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server'
[06:50] <wolferine> tx
[06:50] <AcidBurn> in feisty did they fix the wireless driver issues.. with Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller ?
[06:51] <eagles0513875> supposidly
[06:51] <eagles0513875> but for me it didnt work
[06:51] <jhutchins> AcidBurn: They might know in #ubuntu+1
[06:51] <trenton> Hrm, here's a dumb quick question. How do I go about deleting the "Cool-Streams" folder under the Radio Streams playlist in Amarok?
[06:51] <jhutchins> trenton: #amarok might know.  I'm not sure you can.
[06:52] <trenton> jhutchins: Ah I see, now I don't feel as stupid :)   ...Thanks
[06:54] <jhutchins> Ok, supposedly my ancient Radeon 7000 is supported, I'm going to try beryl.
[06:58] <varaonaid> just for kicks I tried to boot the live cd of ubuntu 7.04.  I got more errors and x still wouldn't start.  I was able to get a few error messages when it allowed me to view them:
[06:58] <varaonaid> (WW) I810: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
[06:59] <varaonaid> (EE) I810(0): No video BIOS modes found for chosen depth
[06:59] <varaonaid> (EE) Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration
[06:59] <varaonaid> Fatal screen error: no screens found.
[07:00] <trenton> varaonaid: Did you check the md5sum of the cd before you used it?
[07:00] <varaonaid> the weird thing is that when I viewed the xorg file which it allowed, it correctly detected my inted 950 graphics chip and the correct resolution of 1400x900
[07:01] <varaonaid> trenton: yes, md5summed the iso and checked the cd for problems through the boot menu
[07:01] <varaonaid> I couldn't get it to md5sum the actual burn, though
[07:02] <trenton> varaonaid: That might be a bad sign... Did you use K3b to burn it? It should have checked it for you.
[07:03] <trenton> varaonaid: You can also check it manually... Lemme look real quick what the command is.
[07:03] <varaonaid> no, I used nero in windows.  then I ued md5summer to check the iso.  when i try to check the cd, it no longer sees the iso image but rather all the individual files.  I didn't think it would work then to check all those files for the md5sum
[07:04] <gdiebel> varaonaid: check this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver
[07:05] <genii> varaonaid: There is an option on the cd itself when you boot it to "check the CD"
[07:06] <genii> varaonaid: If the md5 sum before you burned the iso was good and no error msgs while making it odds are it's fine
[07:06] <trenton> Ahh, well yeah I forgot about the cd being able to check itself.
[07:06] <varaonaid> so is the 915res not included with edgy?  I know that when I tried to boot feisty, it loaded the 915res, detected the correct graphics chip and 1400x900 res
[07:06] <tictric> after upgrade to feisty I have no cd or dvd drives and k3b doesn't see them either. How can I fix that?
[07:07] <varaonaid> but I've tried dapper, edgy (kubuntu), and feisty, and none of them will boot into X.  I don't have an unusual laptop, it's a dell e1405
[07:07] <genii> Any Dell is unusual to Linux LOL
[07:07] <genii> (at least for the moment)
[07:07] <varaonaid> one of the ubuntu "child" distros boots perfectly but I want to try the "original".  it has a newer kernel
[07:11] <strog_> hi guys
[07:11] <strog_> how can i restore my start menu
[07:11] <strog_> u know where all the program shortcuts are?
[07:11] <BonBonTheJon> strog_: you can edit the menu
[07:12] <strog_> but not restore the menu back to default?
[07:12] <BonBonTheJon> strog_: not that I know, there is a package that will set up the menu, something like debian-menu
[07:13] <eeanm> strog_: try mv ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker /tmp
[07:13] <eeanm> and then
[07:13] <strog_> so search from something  "debian-menu"
[07:13] <eeanm> dcop kicker kicker restart
[07:13] <eeanm> that may or may not work :)
[07:14] <t-rax> hi
[07:14] <t-rax> friends
[07:16] <victor_> hi all! I've got a problem since i've installed xgl. My shutdown (and other) buttons have dissapeared. I've followed the instructions in beryl wiki, but i cannot recover them
[07:16] <neofox> hallo
[07:17] <BonBonTheJon> !de | neofox
[07:17] <neofox> !de??? O.o was heist das??
[07:18] <LjL> !de | neofox
[07:19] <wolferine> what is the most logical way to share dirs on my ubuntu server box with my GUI box?
[07:19] <wolferine> samba?
[07:19] <wolferine> or nfs
[07:19] <BonBonTheJon> wolferine: if they are both linux, nfs is good
[07:19] <ubotu> neofox: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:20] <wolferine> ok, and how do I enable a shared folder in a cli ?
[07:20] <wolferine> or is there an nfs.conf to edit?
[07:20] <BonBonTheJon> wolferine: on the server, you need to edit /etc/exports
[07:20] <victor_> anybody knows how to get those buttons back?
[07:20] <BonBonTheJon> wolferine: look for a tutorial, I dont remember off the top of my head
[07:21] <Mirrakor> does the kubuntu liveCD automatically set up the network while booting?
[07:21] <BonBonTheJon> Mirrakor: it should
[07:21] <Bluedog> Mirrakor: yup
[07:21] <Bluedog> If it can
[07:22] <Mirrakor> a generic eth device should be able?
[07:22] <wolferine> can I mount the dir remotely? (using nfs)
[07:22] <Bluedog> Yup, It worked fine with my onboard LAN
[07:22] <BonBonTheJon> wolferine: yes, the client will mount the share
[07:22] <Mirrakor> it's a PCI card, will that cause any troubles?
[07:23] <Bluedog> Mirrakor: I doubt it :) To be certain, look up the model number perhaps on google
[07:25] <LeeJunFan> wolferine: man exports and man mount will be your friends with nfs, remember to run sudo exportfs -va after changing exports.
[07:25] <nico_> hello all
[07:26] <nico_> i need some help with compiling a progtram
[07:26] <jhutchins> wolferine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[07:26] <gvegas> hi nico what's the matter?
[07:27] <nico_> when i do ./configure i get the error configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:27] <jhutchins> nico_: Have you searched thoroughly for a .deb package for it?
[07:27] <nico_> yep cant find it
[07:27] <jhutchins> !build | nico_
[07:27] <ubotu> nico_: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:27] <jhutchins> nico_: Sounds like you might have a package meant for a different architecture.
[07:28] <nico_> aah ok
[07:29] <wolferine> thanks jhutchins
[07:30] <jhutchins> Glad to help.
[07:30] <genii> nico_ What is the program you are trying to compile?
[07:30] <coty> is there a programe that can read prx extentions'
[07:30] <nico_> domino, a theme program from kde-look.org
[07:31] <nico_> btw, feisty really has driver issues, installed edgy and everything works again
[07:38] <knubbe-> im trying to install mysql-query-browser, but apt wants to install of gnome-related packages. are those necessary for mysql-query-browser to run?
[07:39] <knubbe-> "..but apt wants to install some gnome-related.."
[07:41] <supernix> anyone know which is the best FTP server for running on Kubuntu ?
[07:41] <supernix> I have heard of proftp not sure if it is the best though
[07:41] <genii> nico_: Weird, a Dapper deb exists but not Edgy yet it appears
[07:42] <nico_> ok
[07:42] <nico_> perhaps i can try the dapper one
[07:43] <frojnd> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.   How can I fix this?!
[07:43] <nico_> genii: where can i find the deb
[07:43] <genii> nico_ I'm not sure I'd try installing it on Edgy :) But if you want to try
[07:43] <nico_> :p
[07:43] <genii> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Domino+for+Kubuntu+x86+%28Dapper%29?content=54782
[07:43] <coty> is the ipod reconizable on linux
[07:43] <nico_> what can go wrong, it's linux :p
[07:43] <nico_> yes
[07:43] <Bluedog> coty: Yes
[07:43] <coty> it is not for me
[07:43] <nico_> coty: easy as dell
[07:44] <Bluedog> What happens when you plug it in? USB or firewire also?
[07:44] <nico_> you plug it in and it appears on your desktop, at least here it does
[07:44] <coty> nothing
[07:44] <Bluedog> You on edgy?
[07:44] <coty> hold on i think it did reconize it
[07:45] <Bluedog> Mine appears on my desktop
[07:45] <Bluedog> Might be as I have disk-mode turned on on the ipod however
[07:45] <Bluedog> I put stuff onto it using amaroK
[07:46] <coty> ok it did
[07:46] <coty> it reconized it
[07:46] <coty> You know what i really want to do is put linux on my ipod
[07:46] <Bluedog> I've done that too
[07:46] <Bluedog> google ipodlinux..
[07:47] <coty> ok
[07:47] <coty> i heard though that it only works on gen 1
[07:47] <nico_> nope not gonna work genii
[07:47] <nico_> wont even install
[07:48] <genii> nico_ Likely KDE version mismatch
[07:48] <coty> Bluedog: i have a nano 2ng gen will it work on that
[07:49] <nico_> some packages missing
[07:49] <genii> !info kdelibs edgy
[07:49] <ubuntu__> hi!
[07:49] <nico_> and im not even gonna try to get all the packages
[07:49] <ubotu> kdelibs: core libraries from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.1.1 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 88 kB
[07:49] <ubuntu__> help
[07:49] <Bluedog> coty: This isnt really anything to do with kubuntu, I'm not sure. There is a table on their wiki.
[07:49] <genii> Hmm no , 3.5.5 is what it was compiled against apparently
[07:51] <frojnd> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.   How can I fix this?!
[07:51] <cntb> what was the name of the project to start ubuntu install from within windows and what state is it in  now ?
[07:52] <genii> cntb http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338279
[07:53] <cntb> checking genii
[07:53] <cntb> btw how do you find so quickly in forum genii
[07:54] <genii> cntb I an very good at searching
[07:54] <NicoV> genii: now i can chat, had to register first
[07:56] <luapv> cntb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[07:56] <genii> :)
[07:57] <cntb> luapv, tyvm I tried debian installer  from windows cant recall link will google it in ajitwhich seems tried and tested
[08:03] <TehTechGuy> I just installed kubuntu, but when I restart it stalls with a message saying "loading grub from stage2"
[08:04] <rysiek|pl> guys, what do I need to change in xorg.conf to get the movie being played - be visible on the *other* of the two monitors?
[08:07] <TehTechGuy> anyone here?  [18:03]  <TehTechGuy> I just installed kubuntu, but when I restart it stalls with a message saying "loading grub from stage2"
[08:08] <rysiek|pl> I think they're all dead, TehTechGuy
[08:08] <calamari> hi
[08:08] <rysiek|pl> hi
[08:09] <vontux> how do you get the about:config window to open in firefox?
[08:09] <harmental> hey guys...
[08:09] <harmental> any latex guru around?
[08:09] <os2mac> ok I have a really stupid question.
[08:10] <calamari> I have no idea whether this is KDE related or not: The very dark colors in an image show up too bright, so I see weird colors where I know they shouldn't be there.  Any ideas what might be causing this?  I'm using the NVidia Geforce 7800GT with nonfree driver.
[08:10] <os2mac> I am in konquerer looking at /usr/share/sounds which is owned by root. I am unable to drop files into that directory because I in my user account
[08:10] <Lynoure> harmental: None was to be found on #latex?
[08:11] <os2mac> How do I, through the GUI change the perms on that directory so that I can put files in it?
[08:11] <os2mac> I know I can chmod the directory... I want to learn how to do it from the GUI in KDE.
[08:11] <luapv> vontux: open a new tab in firefox, and in the address line type about:config
[08:12] <vontux> luapv: thx :)
[08:12] <harmental> Lynoure: there is nobody there....
[08:12] <dhq> how do i set up wpa security for my linuxbox
[08:12] <Lynoure> os2mac: you could use sudo and commandline instead. or  kdesu konqueror  to have konq as root
[08:12] <luapv> os2mac: are you trying to copy the file in a terminal or through konquerer?
[08:12] <Lynoure> harmental: hmm, I got a list of tens of users on that channel...
[08:13] <os2mac> Luapv... trying to learn the GUI way of doing things. so through konquerer
[08:13] <Lynoure> harmental: you included, actually.
[08:13] <os2mac> I am a commandline sort of person.. but i want to be to teach others the GUI way.
[08:13] <harmental> Lynoure: i mean NOBODY is responding...
[08:14] <Lynoure> os2mac: then kdesu konqueror  is the best way... changing the permissions of a system directory in usually not
[08:14] <harmental> Lynoure: its not the most active channel AT ALL....
[08:14] <genii> NicoV Found it. See PM
[08:14] <luapv> os2mac: did you try running "kdesu konqueror"? this will grant you root privilages, so be careful
[08:15] <os2mac> OK so change the link on my konqueror to be kdesu konqueror or create another link that does the same thing?
[08:15] <TehTechGuy>  I just installed kubuntu, but when I restart it stalls with a message saying "loading grub from stage2"
[08:16] <luapv> os2mac: it would be better to create a new link, and use it only when required
[08:17] <os2mac> what is command completion keystroke in kde?
[08:17] <Lynoure> os2mac: on commandline? tab.
[08:18] <harmental> Lynoure: you see?
[08:18] <Lynoure> harmental: see what?
[08:18] <Bluedog> When you create the first user in ubuntu, what group is it put into?
[08:18] <atidem> hello
[08:18] <Lynoure> Bluedog: admin, I think
[08:19] <Bluedog> Lynoure: thanks
[08:19] <harmental> Lynoure: nobody is answering.......thats what i call a dead channel...
[08:20] <genii> Lynoure Yes, admin
[08:20] <Lynoure> harmental: I'm not on that channel... The way you asked about latex here ruled out every non-guru-ego person, if you ask them with the question, maybe someone of them might answer?
[08:21] <harmental> Lynoure: ok....maybe you're right...here i go...
[08:21] <harmental> im trying to make a bibliographic references with Kile+Tetex using IEEE formats.....but i wont work...
[08:21] <harmental> any hints?
[08:24] <shaw> how can I install the w32codecs package? Which repos do I need to enable?
[08:25] <dwidmann> shaw: multiverse
[08:25] <dwidmann> !multiverse
[08:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:25] <aussieman> shaw look https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu?highlight=%28apt%29%7C%28Feisty%29%7C%28sources%29
[08:25] <shaw> thank you
[08:25] <luapv> shaw: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[08:26] <shaw> thanks a lot everyone, goodbye
[08:28] <Lynoure> harmental: why not bibtex? (sorry, not a guru of any kind...)
[08:29] <harmental> im trying to use the IEEEtran class for bibliographic references (its for a paper)
[08:32] <eagles0513875> has anyone setup pxe boot before
[08:33] <Lynoure> harmental: Read http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/IEEEtran/bibtex/IEEEtran_bst_HOWTO.pdf ?
[08:33] <Lynoure> harmental: I mean, did you read it already?
[08:33] <eagles0513875> anyone know how to setup pxe or have a wiki on how to do that
[08:34] <harmental> you know...thats why i asked for a guru ;o) ......it seems that ieeetran have some issues with tetex....
[08:34] <harmental> Lynoure: and yes ive read the howto.....
[08:34] <luapv> eagles0513875: check this out http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[08:35] <harmental> Lynoure: ive managed to get it working in a not so fancy manner....but hey ...it works....
[08:35] <harmental> so thx anyways!
[08:35] <Lynoure> harmental: :)
[08:46] <TehTechGuy> hey all, I'm having some issues....http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2391999#post2391999
[08:48] <stra> hi
[08:50] <AMSmith42> USB flash drive reading is slow. Common?
[08:50] <utnubuk> the original diablo wont work thru wine for me :(
[08:50] <Arwen> AMSmith42, yes
[08:50] <AMSmith42> Bummer.
[08:50] <Arwen> AMSmith42, the cheap flash cells in thumb drives are not very fast
[08:51] <AMSmith42> Yes, but shouldn't it at least be as fast as Windoze?
[08:52] <Arwen> yes
[08:52] <Arwen> and there's no such thing as "Windoze"
[08:52] <AMSmith42> lol
[08:52] <AMSmith42> There is on bad days.
[08:55] <AMSmith42> How to drag-create a soft link/shortcut?
[08:56] <LeeJunFan> AMSmith42: just drag and drop - a menu will pop up asking if you want to link/copy/move
[08:57] <LeeJunFan> AMSmith42: no right click required.
[08:57] <AMSmith42> Thank you
[08:58] <soulrider> hi everyone
[08:59] <bernd> hi&hello
[09:02] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:02] <tominglis> hello, i have two hard drives, the second is ext3 mounted into my filesystem as /backup during alternate install, i would like to dismount it and use it for a windoze xp or vista install and get it to be loaded with grub, could someone tell me how?
[09:02] <bernd> hi slow motion, was geht ab?
[09:02] <calamari> I have a keyboard with all those extra buttons on it.. any chance of getting those to work?
[09:04] <Yorokobi> tominglis, take it out of /etc/fstab then install windoze then ...
[09:04] <Yorokobi> !grub | tominglis
[09:04] <ubotu> tominglis: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:04] <Lynoure> calamari: try through the various keyboard models for starters
[09:04] <Mirrakor> what's the root password on the kubuntu liveCD? (or do I have to use, sudo passwd ? )
[09:04] <chijin> there's no password
[09:05] <Mirrakor> just enter?
[09:05] <Mirrakor> or sudo passwd?
[09:05] <calamari> Lynoure: good idea
[09:05] <chijin> just enter yes
[09:05] <chijin> doing sudo something shouldn't even ask for a password afaik
[09:07] <tominglis> Yorokobi: there is no folder called /etc/fstab? also, if i am installing windoze on another hard drive, will it still overwrite grub on my first hard drive?
[09:08] <Yorokobi> tominglis, fstab is a file, not a dir. And yes, Windows will nuke the MBR of the primary HDD
[09:08] <calamari> Lynoure: cool, found something, LinEAK
[09:08] <dug> where is the startup programs folder located?
[09:08] <tominglis> Yorokobi: if i take the hard drive out of the machine, presumably it will be OK?
[09:09] <fantasy> hallo wie gehts ?
[09:09] <hayden> hi all i have a G4 ibook with an Ati Radeon graphics card. The bootsplash is colored fine and normally, but once the KDE login manager starts almost all icons are discolored with little red dots on them. I was just wondering if anyone else has had this probelem and knows what to do?
[09:09] <SolidSource> K3B 1.0 is awesome, the features are immense....also for all you that don't use DVD burners yet, theres is VCD now and various other features
[09:09] <Yorokobi> tominglis, the one with Linux? Probably, but you won't be able to boot to Win after you put it back
[09:09] <tominglis> Yorokobi: can't i point to is from grub somehow?
[09:10] <Arwen> SolidSource, VCDs suck...
[09:10] <SolidSource> hayden: restart Xserver and also ensure kubuntu-desktop
[09:10] <SolidSource> hayden: is installed
[09:10] <freexqf> how can i select the kernel modules to be loaded on start?
[09:10] <Yorokobi> tominglis, if you install Windows _after_ installing linux you have to recover grub (see !grub again for a link to the guide). If you install Windows then Linux you don't have that problem.
[09:10] <hayden> ensure?
[09:10] <Yorokobi> Windows *always* nukes the MBR
[09:11] <fantasy> und auf deutsch ?
[09:11] <neptunepink> Whats the program that kdm runs when you log in?
[09:11] <LeeJunFan> !de
[09:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:11] <SolidSource> Arwen: yes they do, I just know there has been people that ask about them and such
[09:11] <Arwen> :-\
[09:11] <LeeJunFan> neptunepink: X or kdeinit?
[09:11] <neptunepink> thatone, I guess
[09:11] <Yorokobi> neptunepink, take a look at /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[09:12] <dug> how would a add an app to startup?
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> neptunepink: actually it runs startkde
[09:12] <neptunepink> ah....
[09:12] <stra> boot live  linux cd install grub
[09:12] <frojnd> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.   How can I fix this?! this was during apt-get update
[09:12] <Yorokobi> In kdmrc: ServerCmd=/usr/bin/X -br
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> neptunepink: whish is a script you can edit. what kdm runs depends on what session type you choose.
[09:13] <neptunepink> how can you add sessions?
[09:13] <Yorokobi> frojnd, run the update again until it works or pick a different mirror for the repos
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> neptunepink: you can have a look at the /usr/share/xsessions folder for what it runs AND how to add them.
[09:15] <dug> how would i add beryl-manager to startup?
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> dug: you can make a link in ~/.kde/Autostart
[09:15] <dug> thank you
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> dug: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/.
[09:15] <Yorokobi> dug, 'ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Auto ... ^^^
[09:15] <Yorokobi> LeeJunFan, beat me to it
[09:16] <blueyed> Riddell: is there any chance that taskbar-compiz (also for beryl) would get included in kubuntu? See http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49484
[09:16] <hayden> does anyone know how to get rid of icon discoloration in edgy
[09:17] <Yorokobi> blueyed, you can get them from http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/
[09:17] <Arwen> Yorokobi, what's suspend2?
[09:18] <Yorokobi> Arwen, dunno ... where'd you get it from?
[09:18] <Arwen> Yorokobi, that link you posted
[09:18] <Arwen> it's the only thing in it
[09:18] <Yorokobi> which time?
[09:18] <Yorokobi> to who?
[09:18] <Arwen> http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb
[09:19] <Yorokobi> oh ... the deb|deb-src is http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/ edgy beryl-svn
[09:19] <Mena> Hi, I missed up My /etc/sudoers file and i want to use the backup ..How to do
[09:19] <Mena> i am on fiesty
[09:19] <neptunepink> Mena: you have a backup file?
[09:19] <Yorokobi> Arwen, I didn't paste the whole thing
[09:20] <Arwen> ah...
[09:22] <Mena> neptunepink, i talked you on fiesty
[09:22] <busfahrer> Hi, I'm using Kubuntu 6.10 (KDE 3.5.5), and about half of the time a tooltip pops up, the text (i.e. the font) looks very 'unsmooth', what could be a cause for that?
[09:22] <Mena> neptunepink, i mean ubuntu +1
[09:23] <Arwen> busfahrer, lake of anti-aliasing/
[09:23] <busfahrer> Arwen: Yes, but half of the time?
[09:24] <Arwen> ah... hmm, no idea
[09:24] <busfahrer> I hate it when computers behave indeterministic :-)
[09:25] <Yorokobi> busfahrer, have you tried enabling the RGB anti-aliasing feature?
[09:25] <busfahrer> Yorokobi: Where do I find that?
[09:25] <Yorokobi> Kmenu -> System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts
[09:26] <tominglis> Yorokobi: so all i need to do to unmount /backup is to remove the relevant hard drive from fstab and restart?
[09:26] <tominglis> Yorokobi: there is no command or anything?
[09:26] <forham> Yorokobi,  hi
[09:27] <Yorokobi> busfahrer, in the Fonts option, check "use anti-aliasing" then the Configure button then "Use sub-pixel hinting" set to RGB
[09:27] <forham> Yorokobi,  you work for ubuntu right?
[09:27] <Yorokobi> haha
[09:27] <forham> i mean the company that owns the name
[09:27] <Yorokobi> sorry, forham. :) I do not. Thanks for the vote of confidence :)
[09:27] <forham> and gives support
[09:28] <forham> amagawd normally i hate it when someone wakes me up during a dream not this time i was able to retain it so kewl
[09:29] <Yorokobi> tominglis, I meant remove the entry for the drive in the fstab file. You may want to unmount it first but it'll be okay if you don't as it won't be mounted after a reboot.
[09:29] <forham> only problem its werder than memento
[09:29] <forham> trying to make sense of it for a stupid person i do have interesting dreams
[09:29] <Yorokobi> forham, for the record. I do not work for Canonical.
[09:29] <forham> ok
[09:30] <forham> my dreams are werder than Richard Stallmans gpl
[09:30] <forham> lol
[09:31] <forham> whats that new stuff he is writing about distritbution having to be online
[09:31] <fdoving> !offtopic | forham
[09:31] <ubotu> forham: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:31] <forham> that would mean smaller distros that couldnt afford hosting would have to go illegal with open source or stop
[09:32] <forham> thanks fdoving
[09:32] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[09:32] <fdoving> and thanks for understanding :)
[09:32] <forham> i just hope i wasnt to boring in offtopic mode
[09:33] <forham> oh geeez the best part was my dream about linux :(
[09:34] <forham> ok fdoving helpo me then
[09:34] <PLC> hi'
[09:34] <forham> i want to mount my ntfs partition in kubuntu
[09:34] <fdoving> !ntfs | forham
[09:34] <forham> inside vmware on vista
[09:34] <fdoving> inside vmware?
[09:34] <ubotu> forham: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:35] <Black_Cat> forham: ntfs is read only, be aware of that
[09:35] <fdoving> i don't know anything about vmware nor vista.
[09:35] <forham> running on vmware with vista as host os so kubuntu as guest os
[09:35] <adydas> use ntfs-3g
[09:35] <adydas> i found it piss easy to use
[09:35] <fdoving> i belive vmware supports sharing disks somehow.
[09:35] <forham> vmware appliances
[09:36] <neptunepink> you can use a virtualized toaster? w/ virtual toast?
[09:36] <forham> i think i am going to write a short story
[09:36] <forham> :p
[09:37] <posingaspopular> forham, stories are hard to write
[09:37] <posingaspopular> im beating my head against the wall to finish one myself
[09:37] <forham> not when i can just write about my werd ass dreams
[09:38] <posingaspopular> fair enough
[09:38] <posingaspopular> my dreams are never logical/sequential enough to write about
[09:38] <forham> posingaspopular maybe i can help :p
[09:38] <posingaspopular> and they always end up with me doding/running from the police
[09:38] <forham> posingpopular thats whats so great about it
[09:38] <forham> why do stories have to be logical and sequential
[09:39] <forham> dreams never bore
[09:39] <forham> why is that you think
[09:39] <posingaspopular> forham, i have the basic premise down, i just need to sketch out the dialogue and come up with an ending
[09:39] <forham> correct because you can zap
[09:39] <forham> to something else
[09:39] <posingaspopular> well my new story is about raptors and arcades...
[09:40] <posingaspopular> the premise is strange enough...
[09:40] <forham> are you selling it to a magazine ?
[09:40] <posingaspopular> no its for a writing class
[09:40] <forham> oh ok
[09:40] <Yorokobi> !offtopic | posingaspopular forham
[09:40] <ubotu> posingaspopular forham: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:41] <forham> oh oops sorry
[09:41] <cafreamoroso_> anybody uses lastfm?
[09:42] <chijin> i do
[09:43] <metty_> hi! which package will i have to install for the "mail" funktion pls?
[09:43] <Yorokobi> metty_, the command-line mail or some client (such as Thunderbird)?
[09:43] <Black_Cat> metty_: a php function? search for sendmail i guess
[09:44] <cafreamoroso_> or the server sendmaiil?
[09:44] <metty_> Yorokobi, Black_Cat, the commandmine mail
[09:44] <qsu> is there a kde gui for irda
[09:44] <metty_> line*
[09:45] <Yorokobi> metty_, is it not installed already?
[09:45] <metty_> Yorokobi: no :(
[09:45] <metty_> Yorokobi:  i am using edgy 6.10
[09:45] <cafreamoroso_> he just wants to be able to use the sendmail function from a php script
[09:45] <Yorokobi> metty_, do you have the mailx package installed? If not, it may be in there
[09:45] <Yorokobi> cafreamoroso_, sendmail is different from that metty_ is looking for
[09:46] <Yorokobi> metty_, is this for PHP?
[09:46] <metty_> Yorokobi: no i just want to send mails through the commandline
[09:47] <Yorokobi> metty_, okay 'sudo apt-get install mailx'
[09:47] <metty_> Yorokobi: ok thx a lot
[09:47] <Yorokobi> np
[09:49] <metty_> Yorokobi: will i have to run the configuration of mailx??
[09:50] <Yorokobi> metty_, I don't think there is one. It may depend on an MTA like sendmail/exim4/postfix though, which you will have to configure.
[09:50] <metty_> Yorokobi: is there a possibility to send anonymous email through mailx?
[09:51] <forham> Yorokobi,  how do you store all that information inside of your brain?
[09:51] <Yorokobi> metty_, if you don't specify a from address it'll use root@yourhostname
[09:51] <metty_> Yorokobi: thx
[09:51] <BluesKaj> if actually minimize the app icon shows in the taskbar , but if its hidden by a another app or webpage , it's truly hidden and the instructions read like a riddle in "configure panel"
[09:51] <Yorokobi> forham, years of repetitive tasks :)
[09:53] <Hrontore> what does "BERYL" do?
[09:53] <Yorokobi> !beryl | Hrontore
[09:53] <HymnToLife> lets you show off
[09:53] <ubotu> Hrontore: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:53] <forham> ok i see Yorokobi
[09:54] <forham> Yorokobi,  would you mind to keep doing this for 300 years longer?
[09:54] <forham> your brain in a jar connected to IRC
[09:54] <Yorokobi> forham, I have been working with Debian since 1998. I hope to retire before I reach 330 years old
[09:54] <forham> lol
[09:54] <aaroncampbell> can you get opera from a repo, or should I download it from their site?
[09:54] <tominglis> Yorokobi: awesome, i will try that now then, thanks loads! are you sure i canne just install vista on the second hard drive having removed the first, and then remove the mbr from the second hard drive?
[09:55] <tominglis> Yorokobi: and then edit grub
[09:55] <excitatory> my computer is behaving in a rather peculiar manner.. almost every time it drops into some sort of 'power saving' mode (i.e., monitor turning off, or stopping of hard disk) the usb mouse fails to resume the system.  Sometimes the keyboard fails too, but usually i can hit a key and the monitor will turn back on.  When that is the case, the mouse is frozen until i unplug and plug it back in.  I also think something strange is up with
[09:55] <excitatory> usb in general, since my external hard drive exhibits similar behavior in the sense that it only works 1/2 the time when i plug it in.
[09:55] <Yorokobi> tominglis, if by remove you mean from fstab and not physically
[09:56] <chijin> !info k3b
[09:56] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 3975 kB, installed size 8432 kB
[09:56] <BluesKaj> hmm...sounds like an fstab prob , usb isn't loading on reboot , excitatory
[09:59] <metty_> Yorokobi:  if i chose "bla" as a postfix, is there a possibility for u to find out that the email came from me? (or just "metty@bla")
[10:00] <Yorokobi> metty_, "bla" as a host name for postfix?
[10:00] <Yorokobi> If yes, then emails will be FROM: <metty@blah>
[10:00] <metty_> Yorokobi:  yep, and will there be a possibility to find out my ip adress or something similiar?
[10:00] <excitatory> BluesKaj: no, everything works on reboot.. it's just after my monitor turns off from power saving mode.
[10:01] <Yorokobi> metty_, yes.
[10:01] <metty_> Yorokobi: how?
[10:01] <Yorokobi> metty_, Postfix is a good MTA. It'll add your IP like its supposed to.
[10:02] <DaSkreech> !adept crash fix
[10:02] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:02] <metty_> Yorokobi: "good MTA" sry i don't get the point, i am relatively new to linux :)
[10:02] <Yorokobi> metty_, by good MTA I mean RFC compliant (standards compliant)
[10:03] <Yorokobi> MTA: Mail Transport Agent (as opposed to MUA: Mail User Agent [Thunderbird/Outlook/etc.] )
[10:03] <Black_Cat> hey i've installed libxine-extracodecs, but no mp3 support yet though sound in video is okay. should i restart xserver or reboot for changes to take effect? or i must configure anything manually?
[10:03] <metty_> Yorokobi: thx for ur engagement, but can u pls explain it for a dump noob? g
[10:04] <Yorokobi> metty_, sure. Which part do you want me to start with?
[10:05] <metty_> Yorokobi: if i open my kmail (for instance) i just will see the metty@bla  , so how can u find out where from the mail is originally pls?
[10:05] <Yorokobi> In kmail, click View -> Headers -> Full headers
[10:06] <Lars_G> Hey, is anyone in here the packager for kde4 for kubuntu?
[10:06] <Tm_T> Lars_G: why?
[10:06] <Lars_G> Tm_T: I'd like to know if he'd share any scripts and debian dirs he uses for it, so I could try to compile today's SVN pull into packages
[10:07] <forham> is it possible to get a dissease that causes you to lose taste?
[10:07] <Tm_T> Lars_G: take sourcepackages, or are those missing?
[10:07] <Lars_G> forham: very possible.
[10:07] <Yorokobi> forham, smoking
[10:07] <Yorokobi> :)
[10:07] <Tm_T> Lars_G: apt-get source foofoo
[10:07] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:07] <Lars_G> Tm_T: Hmm I'll check. but ripping off the sources to apply to the lattest.. oh well I'll see
[10:07] <forham> oops i thought i was in offtopic
[10:08] <Lars_G> forham: but, looking for medical help in irc is very VERY counter productive
[10:08] <forham> no sorry it was meant for offtopic
[10:08] <metty_> Yorokobi: ahh ok thx a lot ;) and is there a possibility to write such a mail anonymous?
[10:08] <Yorokobi> metty_, its possible but I'm not going to be the one to tell you how.
[10:08] <Black_Cat> forham: angina can cause it afaik.
[10:09] <Tm_T> Lars_G: that's how it should do by the books
[10:09] <Tm_T> Lars_G: should be done even (:
[10:09] <elitehacker> hey, how do u change the coluor of the task abr in kbuntu?
[10:09] <mauro> hi everyone
[10:09] <Lars_G> forham: My response still stands
[10:09] <ubuntu> lol ok
[10:09] <Black_Cat> i've installed libxine-extracodecs, but no mp3 support yet though sound in video is okay. should i restart xserver or reboot for changes to take effect? or i must configure anything manually?
[10:10] <ubuntu> i dont smoke but the food i just ordered is tasteless to me
[10:10] <mauro> Black_Cat: just close and re open amarok
[10:10] <ubuntu> thats why i asked
[10:10] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, right click the panel -> configure panel
[10:10] <Lars_G> forham: going to irc for medical advice is equivalent to asking your junkyard representative to help you with your nuclear bomb
[10:10] <metty_> Yorokobi: k thx though, would it be circumstantial to do this?
[10:10] <mauro> ubuntu: please change your nick >.<
[10:10] <elitehacker> thanx
[10:10] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, then Appearance
[10:11] <Powerking89670> (/nick [new nick] )
[10:11] <Yorokobi> metty_, circumstantial? Depends on your motives.
[10:11] <tominglis> Yorokobi: no i meant physically from the machine, so that vista's installer can't overwrite the mbr on the first drive
[10:11] <Lars_G> ubuntulog: Btw I PRAY you changed the default live-cd password before you laid foot on irc
[10:12] <metty_> Yorokobi: just wanted to know if this would be hard for a noob
[10:12] <metty_> Yorokobi: ;) but let's stop here - thx for ur help ;)
[10:12] <kubuntuonsteroid> Powerking89670:  i used the panel on the left of the text input box to change my nick
[10:12] <kubuntuonsteroid> i am using konversation
[10:12] <Black_Cat> mauro: thank you! it really worked out, but only at 2nd attempt for some reason :)
[10:12] <Yorokobi> tominglis, if you do that (and if Windows installs on a slave with no master present), and /then/ you put the master (w/Linux) back you won't be able to boot to windows
[10:12] <|capiira> hmm hi does 6.10 have kde 3.5.6 ?
[10:12] <Yorokobi> np, metty_
[10:14] <mauro> |capiira: i don think its there by default, 3.5.5 might be
[10:14] <mauro> but it will be downloaded with the updates
[10:14] <Yorokobi> |capiira, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[10:15] <Black_Cat> i guess someone can consider this question as offtopic, but i dare to ask it anyway :) if someone knows a win32 program called Total Commander, tell me pls: is there something similar for kubuntu?
[10:15] <soulrider> i guess no one here uses GNOME, right ?
[10:15] <|capiira> thx
[10:15] <soulrider> Black_Cat: yes
[10:15] <soulrider> try krusader
[10:15] <elitehacker> how do u change the coulor on the task bar? in kbuntu yorokobi, Or can i??
[10:16] <Black_Cat> soulrider: okay, thanks, can i find it in repository or should i google?
[10:16] <soulrider> Black_Cat: i believe its in the repos
[10:16] <soulrider> !info krusader
[10:16] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.70.1-1 (edgy), package size 2547 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[10:16] <elitehacker> i tried aperance in confiure o taskbar but its only for popup menus in the K menu and not the task abr itslef
[10:16] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, so I know I've understood you correctly, you're referring to the panel/bar typically found at the bottom of the screen ?
[10:16] <elitehacker> yes
[10:16] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, its in Appearance at the bottom (under the drop boxes)
[10:17] <tominglis> Yorokobi: even if you delete the windows mbr from the second drive?
[10:17] <elitehacker> okay
[10:17] <Yorokobi> tominglis, The BIOS won't look at the MBR for the 2nd drive if there's a master on ide0
[10:17] <Black_Cat> soulrider: erm... it says "edgy" there, doesn't it mean that i can't have if for dapper drake release?
[10:17] <elitehacker> has anyone changed the panel to a windows taskbar lmao i would love that
[10:18] <soulrider> Black_Cat: youre on dapper? just try to apt-get it anyways
[10:18] <soulrider> i think it is for dapper too
[10:18] <soulrider> its in*
[10:18] <underdog5004> Anyone ever try to get a Phillips GoGear MP3 player working? I plugged it in, but it gets misdetected as a USB Imaging Interface...
[10:18] <Powerking89670> I got linux to get away from windows. I dont want to make it look more like windows >.<
[10:18] <elitehacker> lol
[10:18] <tominglis> Yorokobi: but does it need an mbr? can't grub on the first drive point to the windows installation on the second drive in the boot menu?
[10:18] <metty_> when does it make sense to send a binary file?
[10:19] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, now that I'm looking a bit closer, you can change the /image/ for the panel and "colorize" it to match the bg image but you can't choose a color that way
[10:19] <Black_Cat> soulrider: ty
[10:19] <elitehacker> ohh
[10:19] <soulrider> no prob Black_Cat, were here to help ;)
[10:19] <Black_Cat> Powerking89670: same here :)
[10:19] <Yorokobi> tominglis, yes, if you don't mind altering the /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand
[10:19] <soulrider> elitehacker: could you install java? :P
[10:19] <elitehacker> see when i change the thing it only has default settings ex. blue wood KDE button Line gray?? i need it to change to a solid coulor as light black
[10:19] <Powerking89670> I decided to make the jump to linux as opposed to that bucket of crap (can we swear in here?) Vista
[10:19] <elitehacker> yeah i did i updated kbuntu
[10:20] <elitehacker> to get java
[10:20] <tominglis> Yorokobi: immense! so that would work? i shall do that!
[10:20] <Yorokobi> tominglis, an MBR (master boot record) is required. Otherwise the BIOS will give you the "Operating system not found" error
[10:20] <BluesKaj> free internet from google  ;)   http://www.google.com/tisp/
[10:20] <Powerking89670> I decided not to swear so I didnt get in trouble for swearing in a no swear chan
[10:20] <Yorokobi> tominglis, good luck :)
[10:21] <tominglis> Yorokobi: so i will remove the ubuntu drive, install vista, then replace the drive and delete the mbr on the vista drive? and the alter grub to load the windows install?
[10:21] <soulrider> lol Powerking89670 swearing is not something nice to do here, but i guess if youre talking about vista, you can :P
[10:21] <elitehacker> all my windows are light black with dark blue like the default desktop image i have is set as "3d gears" and i would like the taskbar or PANEL to be that coulor too... anyone here change the panel to a solid coulor "black"?
[10:21] <Powerking89670> Ok let me set myself NOT to swear, even know its part of my common vocab when talking about M$
[10:21] <Black_Cat> Powerking89670: if i were you i'd look for 3ddesktop for KDE, it's much better than vista :)
[10:22] <Powerking89670> Thats not a surprized. There isnt much out there that is WORSE then vista
[10:22] <Powerking89670> damn it why I cant I type today
[10:22] <soulrider> lol
[10:22] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, there are themes (kde-look.org) you can try. You can also mess with the colors in System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors
[10:22] <elitehacker> alrite
[10:22] <Powerking89670> perhaps its the lack of sleep and the constant need to get shit working on this comp
[10:22] <soulrider> i used it for a bit and it was such a piece of crap, but i musta dmit i thought the eye candy was fab
[10:23] <Powerking89670> Anyway. Im tring to see if the fact that sound does not work is a driver issue
[10:23] <Powerking89670> or if its a software issue
[10:24] <Black_Cat> Powerking89670: what sound? mp3?
[10:24] <Black_Cat> or any sound at all?
[10:24] <Powerking89670> Well. as far as I know I havent tried to play any sound
[10:24] <Powerking89670> But pretty much no sound works ya
[10:24] <elitehacker> wow is the google-tisp internet free?? that would be sweet, but like other services? do i have to be near a starbucks???
[10:25] <Powerking89670> I tried playing a wav file yesterday
[10:25] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, just near your toilet
[10:25] <Black_Cat> don't you even have logging in/out sound?
[10:25] <Tm_T> elitehacker: yup, just flush
[10:25] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, on April Fool's day
[10:25] <Powerking89670> *cough* its a joke*cough&
[10:25] <Powerking89670> there is a logging in and out sound?
[10:25] <elitehacker> i knwo lol
[10:25] <Powerking89670> based on this convo, its a gd driver issue
[10:25] <elitehacker> obv it was fake lol
[10:26] <Powerking89670> as usual the hard way never fails
[10:26] <Yorokobi> Powerking89670, what sound card/chipset do you have?
[10:26] <Powerking89670> Its running off my MOBO
[10:26] <Yorokobi> Brand & model?
[10:27] <Powerking89670> lol. no idea...dont tell me I have to open the case (again)
[10:27] <Yorokobi> Powerking89670, is it an OEM (Dell, Gateway, NEC. etc)?
[10:27] <Powerking89670> Its an Emachines
[10:27] <Yorokobi> Model ?
[10:27] <Powerking89670> T4160
[10:27] <elitehacker> all rite thats what i have emachine Emonster
[10:28] <BluesKaj> Powerking89670  type lspci in the konsole
[10:28] <mhb> hi folks
[10:28] <Powerking89670> u want me to PM you what it gives me?
[10:29] <Powerking89670> irc.freenode.com
[10:29] <Powerking89670> oops
[10:29] <Powerking89670> gd it
[10:29] <mhb> do you know if there is a Kicker applet that can insert text in it? Like "Places" or "system" in Ubuntu...
[10:29] <Powerking89670> this is the audio line
[10:29] <Powerking89670> ill pm you
[10:29] <Pollywog> anyone know how I can get back the trash icon in Edgy?
[10:29] <Black_Cat> !apache
[10:29] <Powerking89670> apperently I cant pm
[10:30] <Powerking89670> is it alright to post two lines in the chan?
[10:30] <motw> Pollywog, do you mean an icon on the desktop or an applet on the panel?
[10:30] <Powerking89670> know what
[10:30] <Powerking89670> better idea
[10:30] <Pollywog> you have to identify to Nickserv to send pm's
[10:30] <Black_Cat> Pollywog: create a new location link to trash:/
[10:30] <Pollywog> icon on desktop
[10:30] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Powerking89670, your soundcard , graphics and ethernet cards should all be listed by brand and model #
[10:30] <Powerking89670> You want just the sound?
[10:30] <Powerking89670> http://www.swgemods.com/paste/viewp.php?id=20070402163015-8556
[10:30] <Powerking89670> thats just the sound
[10:31] <Yorokobi> I can't find anything other than "integrated sound" in any of the descriptions of Powerking89670's machine
[10:31] <testman> hi folks
[10:31] <Powerking89670> Yea thats because its a POS
[10:31] <Pollywog> Black_Cat: I don't know where the trash is, that is the problem
[10:31] <testman> how can i use fsck? when i try to run it i get the error that running fsck on a mounted fs can cause damage. so how can i fsck my root filesystem?
[10:31] <laurits> Hey all
[10:32] <LeeJunFan> testman: boot into single mode.
[10:32] <LeeJunFan> !single
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about single - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <BluesKaj> ntel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio
[10:32] <Pollywog> oh I think I remember where it might be
[10:32] <Yorokobi> ah, thanks for the link, Powerking89670. That should be supported "out of the box" in Ubuntu
[10:32] <LeeJunFan> !recovery
[10:32] <ubotu> To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system"
[10:32] <testman> LeeJunFan: how?
[10:32] <Black_Cat> Pollywog: you don't have to. just hit right mouse button on desktop, create a link and type the URL trash:/
[10:32] <Pollywog> ah thanks
[10:32] <testman> ah ok, thx i'll try that
[10:32] <Powerking89670> Ok, so it SHOULD work then?
[10:32] <elitehacker> anyone know how to get Diablo1 on Kbuntu ?
[10:32] <Powerking89670> you see I dont have the best of luck. So ill be back when it doesnt
[10:33] <LeeJunFan> testman: when you get to grub, hit esc to get the menu, choose your kernel, hit e, go to the kernel line hit e again, add single to the list of options there, hit enter, then b.
[10:33] <Yorokobi> Powerking89670, it *should* yes :)
[10:33] <Powerking89670> :p
[10:33] <testman> ok thx buddy
[10:33] <laurits> Hey i'm new on kubuntu...second time i try to do something on it...but dont understand how to install stuff...
[10:33] <laurits> 8-)
[10:33] <adydas> how to install what stuff
[10:33] <adydas> the OS its self or programs for it?
[10:33] <laurits> amsn
[10:33] <laurits> hmm some games
[10:34] <adydas> ever used apt-get before?
[10:34] <laurits> xhat
[10:34] <laurits> nop
[10:34] <adydas> you know kubuntu comes with a MSN messanger eh?
[10:34] <elitehacker> Kopete
[10:34] <adydas> Kopete
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> I wish ubuntu would add the option to force fsck on / to upstart as a shutdown option.
[10:34] <Powerking89670> I hated Kopete so I just did a switch with it and gaim :D
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Powerking89670 , make sure you have your alsamixer settings enabled ..type 'alsamixer' in the konsole and make sure the sliders are at atleast 67%
[10:35] <Mirrakor> wtf o.O
[10:35] <elitehacker> us messenger.msn.com its a webbased msn No need to install i use it on computers some times when they dont have MSN"
[10:35] <BluesKaj> !aMSN
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amsn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <elitehacker> why do ppl say M$? instead of the MS or the full name is it a copyright issue?
[10:36] <BluesKaj> !IM
[10:36] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[10:36] <stra> !automatix
[10:36] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:37] <Powerking89670> Thank you, some of them were down, so I turned them up :D
[10:37] <BluesKaj> are they working ?
[10:37] <Black_Cat> elitehacker: i believe it's because they want to underline heavy costs :) when it's all licensed of course :)
[10:37] <elitehacker> yeah
[10:37] <strog_> hi
[10:38] <elitehacker> bill gates must make like ? 5,000 a sec.? maybe
[10:38] <strog_> i wanted to install a CAD program through alien
[10:38] <strog_> it is a .rpm file
[10:38] <strog_> and i get the following message:
[10:38] <Yorokobi> !rpm | strog_
[10:38] <ubotu> strog_: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[10:38] <strog_> i use alien to convert it
[10:38] <strog_> i get the following message:
[10:38] <munzir> strog_: what's that CAD you want? are you sure it's not in ubuntu?
[10:38] <strog_> Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package eagle-lin-eng: postinst prerm
[10:38] <strog_> Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
[10:39] <adydas> laurits: still stuck?
[10:39] <strog_> it is the eagle cad program
[10:39] <David_> Hi, I have two cpus but only work one, I'm using kubuntu 7.04.
[10:39] <LeeJunFan> !smp
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:39] <LeeJunFan> stupid bot :)
[10:40] <Yorokobi> David_, which kernel? generic?
[10:40] <LeeJunFan> I thought the default kernel now supported smp?
[10:40] <mrigns> David_: they work both, but the sensors dont
[10:40] <David_> Yorokobi: Linux kerwonz-laptop 2.6.20-13-386 #2 Sun Mar 25 00:18:53 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:40] <LeeJunFan> !away | Sea_Master
[10:40] <ubotu> Sea_Master: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[10:40] <Yorokobi> David_, try the generic instead of the i386 kernel
[10:41] <David_> Yorokobi: okay, let me do that.
[10:41] <Yorokobi> Then you'll get : Linux sodium 2.6.17-11-generic #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 19:52:28 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:41] <David_> Yorokobi: linux-image-2.6.20-13-generic
[10:41] <elitehacker> How do u install games on kubuntu? I have diablo but its an .exe ?
[10:42] <Powerking89670> Does anyone in here know anything about Wine? If so where does it install the programs to (If you use a windows Installer)
[10:42] <strog_> ubotu: this is the link of the CAD program, http://www.cadsoft.de/cgi-bin/download.pl?page=/home/cadsoft/html_public/download.htm.en&dir=eagle/program/4.1
[10:42] <elitehacker> thats what i need
[10:42] <Yorokobi> David_, you're using feisty so the kernel version will be 2.6.20
[10:42] <elitehacker> ineed the program "wine" for diablo in order for it to insta;;
[10:42] <David_> Yorokobi: okay, let me try.
[10:42] <Yorokobi> !wine | Powerking89670
[10:42] <ubotu> Powerking89670: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:42] <adydas> Powerking89670: try home.wine
[10:42] <elitehacker> where do u get "wine"
[10:43] <BluesKaj> strog_,   ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/4.16r2/eagle-lin-eng-4.16r2.tgz
[10:43] <LjL> !bot > strog_    (strog_, see the private message from Ubotu)
[10:43] <LeeJunFan> !info wine
[10:43] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[10:43] <adydas> adydas@adydas:~/.wine/drive_c$ ls
[10:43] <adydas> Program Files  windows
[10:43] <elitehacker> i need wine to install diablo1
[10:43] <BluesKaj> theres a linuc version of CAD
[10:43] <Powerking89670> Yes, Wine was not hard to install. Directions are on the site
[10:44] <adydas> it installs to .wine/
[10:44] <LjL> !wine > elitehacker    (elitehacker, see the private message from Ubotu)
[10:44] <BluesKaj> ya don't need wine to run CAD
[10:44] <adydas> he wants wine to run diablo the game not CAD
[10:44] <BluesKaj> yeah , iknow but others were talking about CAD in wine
[10:45] <adydas> oh ok
[10:45] <adydas> my bad
[10:45] <Yorokobi> hmmm ... looks like Compiz and Beryl will be joining forces
[10:45] <BluesKaj> double whammy for the "eyecandy set" :)
[10:45] <Yorokobi> Yup
[10:47] <CaptainApathy> woo apparently I managed to install kubuntu after all...
[10:48] <yoopernate> has anyone tried putting linux on a palm TX?
[10:50] <elitehacker> is there an easyier way to select all the topic in adept to install and undate instead of clicking and holding and scrolling up??
[10:50] <Black_Cat> what is the chance that debian/kde package will not work in kubuntu?
[10:50] <Yorokobi> Black_Cat, is the package not included in Kubuntu?
[10:51] <Black_Cat> Yorokobi: it's not about one package, it's about package collection for debian on DVD.
[10:52] <Yorokobi> Black_Cat, the packages will probably work. Sometimes all that changes between Debian and Ubuntu is the artwork ... sometimes compile options. *shrug*
[10:52] <elitehacker> OMG i keep on trying to select 192 topics and udpates in adept uhhh i keep acciedently click the rigth button and deslecteting them all!! >:(
[10:53] <Black_Cat> okay, thanx :)
[10:53] <Yorokobi> elitehacker, have you tried selecting the first, scrolling to the last, then shift-select the last? (hold down shift and click on the last one)
[10:54] <elitehacker> lol man i am dumb
[10:54] <elitehacker> thanx that helped alot
[10:55] <Yorokobi> heh, I'm surprised it worked.
[10:55] <elitehacker> lol wow that would of took me an hour to select them all
[10:55] <sinpath> hey can some one tell me how to access my E drive on the linuxs side of my pc?
[10:56] <Yorokobi> sinpath, is your E a Windows drive/partition?
[10:57] <sinpath> no i have a dule boot & just put in a new drive
[10:57] <aargon997> Hallo world!!
[10:57] <Yorokobi> sinpath, what interface is the new drive? USB? IDE? SATA? Firewire?
[10:58] <sinpath> ide no fire wall
[10:58] <underdog5004> Anyone ever use golb? If so, can you help me?
[10:58] <chijin> :-P
[10:58] <Black_Cat> hey-hey! Language selector installer downloads gtk libs, but i'm using KDE! What's going on? why does it download so much?
[10:58] <aargon997> No i don't know what is it
[10:58] <Yorokobi> heh, Fire/wire/ (IEEE1394) not Fire Wall
[10:59] <aargon997> Anyone can tell me how to improove memory usage of my l box?
[10:59] <sinpath> lol sorry just ide hook up
[10:59] <laurits> someone have time for me :) pme !
[10:59] <Yorokobi> sinpath, is it formatted?
[10:59] <sinpath> yes
[11:00] <Yorokobi> sinpath, what filesystem? vfat? NTFS? ext3?
[11:00] <elitehacker> wow does every one seem to run linux on a 500-700Mhz Pentium 3 pc with about 256mb ram lol every fourm and thing i go to that seems to be the best pc for it
[11:00] <sinpath> NTFS i beleive
[11:00] <Yorokobi> laurits, you can start with Add/Remove Programs in the K menu but you may want to look at ...
[11:00] <Yorokobi> !repositories > laurits
[11:00] <Yorokobi> laurits, ... the PM from ubotu
[11:01] <Yorokobi> !ntfs > sinpath
[11:01] <Yorokobi> !ntfs-3g > sinpath
[11:01] <Black_Cat> elitehacker: i got p3-700-128 :)
[11:01] <elitehacker> lol
[11:01] <elitehacker> mine is a 731Mhz 455Mb of ram lol with only a 3gig HD lol and a Dvd burner
[11:02] <LeeJunFan> hehe. minimalists!
[11:02] <sinpath> thanks yorokobi
[11:02] <Black_Cat> i wonder how many MBs this language selector is going to download?
[11:02] <LeeJunFan> I feel like a glutton, I've got 600G of hd space and 2G of ram.
[11:02] <Black_Cat> it's pretty tough for dialup....
[11:02] <elitehacker> i wonder how u make a server pc ? i would really need for for my windows xp pc so i can stop viruses with a better firewall
[11:03] <LeeJunFan> elitehacker: firewalls dont' stop viruses, only worms.
[11:03] <elitehacker> 600Gb holy
[11:03] <elitehacker> yeah i had like 3 anit-viruses one time but HOLY that slows down cpu time a memorey
[11:03] <LeeJunFan> elitehacker: external HD's. I'm on a laptop with a 60G, 300G external attached to it, and 2 120's sitting on the floor - not hooked up right now.
[11:04] <Yorokobi> LeeJunFan, Athlon 64 X2 (@2GHz) w/2GB RAM, 750 GB HDD (SATA2)
[11:04] <LeeJunFan> you should never run more than one Antivirus program at a time on windows, not only does it slow down the system horribly and consume too many resouces, but the AV software can hook into the same points in windows and make the system unbootable.
[11:05] <Yorokobi> I suppose I shouldn't list my Windows box stats in a Linux chat room ... :D
[11:05] <elitehacker> i have a dell XPS p4 thats the one i run windows on
[11:05] <LeeJunFan> Yorokobi: athlon here too. 2.2GHz, not x2 though.
[11:06] <elitehacker> 3.6Ghz i think mine is
[11:06] <elitehacker> only 1 proseccor thou
[11:06] <Black_Cat> LeeJunFan: i've read an article telling how two antiviruses fought tearing each other to pieces...
[11:06] <LeeJunFan> I'm waiting until I pass 1yr uptime on my mailserver to upgrade that. hehe
[11:06] <Yorokobi> !offtopic > Yorokobi
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> 14 days 6.5hrs to 1 year uptime :)
[11:08] <elitehacker> wow Leejun i only have 320gb of HDD thats 2 of em put toghther and u still beat me :( im getting a terabyte!!!
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> elitehacker: well the 2 120's are empty. One of them is going in my kid's computer. The other I just use for backing up other peoples data when I work on their systems.
[11:09] <sinpath> umm yorokobi im having a bit of a problem
[11:09] <Yorokobi> okay sinpath, hit me with it.
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> my 300G has backups of my servers, my laptop, misc crap, and I always keep a local mirror of the current stable and devel i386 versions of ubuntu repos.
[11:10] <frojnd> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:10] <frojnd> can't get my samba working right
[11:10] <elitehacker> holy crap
[11:10] <sinpath> well when i put the comand line in the term like it says i get an error
[11:10] <sinpath> bash: gksu: command not found
[11:10] <Yorokobi> sinpath, subst sudo for gksu
[11:10] <elitehacker> i am 14 allrite prob have the fastest pc in welland ?? :) maybe that i know of
[11:11] <sinpath> ok thanks
[11:11] <elitehacker> for a youngage
[11:11] <frojnd> I installed samba. make new unix user with password of XP also this same password for samba user make folders to share in K system settings -> sharing and still I AM NOT ABLE TO SEE XP SHARES... help
[11:11] <frojnd> I also restart samba..
[11:11] <Yorokobi> frojnd, did you set samba up to the same workgroup as XP ?
[11:12] <elitehacker> well i gtg let my adpet install 192 files once i get back it should be done!! :)
[11:12] <frojnd> Yorokobi: no... I have workgroup and XP has mshome I think..
[11:12] <sinpath> grr this is getting tiresome
[11:12] <sinpath> sudo: gedit: command not found
[11:12] <Yorokobi> frojnd, the workgroup names need to match
[11:12] <frojnd> lemme check
[11:13] <Yorokobi> sinpath, okay ... try kdesu kate instead of gksu gedit
[11:13] <ubuntu> where are the german peoples
[11:13] <Yorokobi> !de | ubuntu
[11:13] <Yorokobi> bot lag ?
[11:13] <ubotu> ubuntu: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:14] <Black_Cat> bot death :)
[11:14] <aaroncampbell> I switched back to my bluetooth kb/mouse (couldn't use it during install).  As soon as I plugged in the USB key, it worked great.  Now, everytime I reboot, I have to unplug the usb key, and plug it back in before the KB or mouse work
[11:14] <Black_Cat> !ru | ubuntu
[11:14] <ubotu> ubuntu:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:14] <aaroncampbell> This is the kb/mouse: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126177
[11:14] <Yorokobi> oooh
[11:14] <Yorokobi> !ja > Yorokobi
[11:14] <Yorokobi> sweet
[11:15] <frojnd> is it workgrup or workgroup
[11:15] <Yorokobi> frojnd, in samba?
[11:15] <frojnd> yes
[11:15] <frojnd> workgroup = MSHOME ?
[11:16] <Yorokobi> frojnd, that looks right
[11:17] <Yorokobi> frojnd, you may already know this but just in case: you have to restart samba after changing the /etc/samba/smb.conf file
[11:19] <frojnd> Yorokobi: Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall :s
[11:20] <Yorokobi> frojnd, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[11:20] <sinpath> ok i think i got it but ...not sure
[11:20] <rstanca> how can I fix a broken MBR from kubuntu live-cd? chroot on installed partition /dev/hda2, then grub-install /dev/hda but it says "/dev/hda: Not found or not a block device."  what am i missing?
[11:21] <Yorokobi> !mbr > rstanca
[11:21] <tux> hi all
[11:21] <Powerking89670> I apologize for asking another wine question in the Kubuntu channel. However could someone explain to me exactly where to go for wine
[11:22] <Powerking89670> for the wine dir
[11:22] <Powerking89670> where it stores the gd installations :p....(Im a nooblet, yes I know)
[11:22] <TheMole> gd?
[11:22] <Powerking89670> first word is god
[11:22] <TheMole> God installations?
[11:22] <Powerking89670> no
[11:22] <Yorokobi> Powerking89670, typically ~/.wine/
[11:23] <Powerking89670> god d***
[11:23] <TheMole> Ah.
[11:23] <TheMole> lol
[11:23] <Powerking89670> so I just...put that in?
[11:23] <rstanca> thanks Yorokobi
[11:23] <Yorokobi> Powerking89670, that's where wine puts installed programs, etc.
[11:23] <Yorokobi> not where you put things :)
[11:24] <Yorokobi> rstanca, np
[11:24] <Powerking89670> I know
[11:24] <Powerking89670> I mean
[11:24] <Powerking89670> I put that in the navigation bar to goto that directory
[11:24] <Powerking89670> to remove a program
[11:24] <Yorokobi> I think wine has its own removal system but I'm not certain
[11:25] <TheMole> If wine has made a Kmenu entry for you, Add/Remove is under there.
[11:25] <kalorin_> uninstall
[11:25] <_benjo-> hi can someone please help me troubleshoot my wireless connection??
[11:25] <kalorin_> for win
[11:25] <kalorin_> wine
[11:25] <Yorokobi> Powerking89670, have you tried #winehq ?
[11:26] <frojnd> I have one qustion: is it possible that I can share files to another computer via network card: my compiuter gets connection through a router, can also my computer be connected with an external newtork card to another computer??
[11:26] <safer> Why is it that a lot of times, when using linux, and I click shutdown or restart, the screen goes black,  but the computer keeps running and doesn't shutdown or restart?  And then I have to hold down the power button to shutdown completely.......
[11:26] <frojnd> so my computer become somekind of server..?
[11:26] <Yorokobi> frojnd, NIC to NIC? no router in between ?
[11:27] <crookshanks> can anyone point me to a howto about embedding media into firefox?  everything i've found doesn't really work
[11:27] <frojnd> Yorokobi: my computer has router, but yes for this second computer no router between, my computer woul supply with connection if that's even possible
[11:27] <TheMole> crookshanks: Install the mplayer-mozilla package
[11:27] <trenton> crookshanks: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[11:28] <crookshanks> trenton: thanks
[11:28] <Yorokobi> frojnd, you'll need a ... I forgot what they're called, patch cable? (not straight through)
[11:28] <TheMole> Yorokobi: Yes, patch cable.
[11:28] <frojnd> Yorokobi: from my computer to another?
[11:28] <safer> Does anyone know possible reasons/answer to my question above??
[11:28] <Yorokobi> !wifi > _benjo-
[11:29] <Yorokobi> frojnd, yep
[11:29] <_benjo-> Yorkobi, what do you mean !wifi?
[11:29] <Yorokobi> Yorokobi, if you're going to have 2 network cards (NICs) then you'll need to do some tricks with (D)NAT and iptables, too most likely
[11:29] <frojnd> Yorokobi: is this cable's name crossover?
[11:30] <Yorokobi> _benjo-, you should have another tab/window from ubotu about wifi
[11:30] <sinpath> ok i think its installed right  so now how do i find my e drive??
[11:30] <_benjo-> yorokobo, got it..thks
[11:31] <Yorokobi> frojnd, crossover ... patch ... same thing I believe
[11:31] <Yorokobi> sinpath, did the instructions tell you how to mount the drive ?
[11:31] <Yorokobi> (I have not read them)
[11:31] <sinpath> umm let me check
[11:32] <frojnd> Yorokobi: great, so I will avoid 15m extra cable, just an extra network card and 2m of newtork cable :>
[11:32] <Yorokobi> frojnd, if that's the distance between the computers
[11:32] <frojnd> Yorokobi: mhm
[11:32] <sinpath> not sure if i understand how to mount the drive
[11:33] <Yorokobi> sinpath, 'sudo mount /mnt/somedir /dev/hd? -t ntfs' is the basics of the command.
[11:33] <Powerking89670> Either AraroK is being....itself. Or im still having sound issues
[11:34] <sinpath> ok put that in kterm?
[11:34] <alphi_> hey guys, i am trying to install comedi on 6.10 (edgy) and am having some problems ( it doesn't like the linux kernel), so i tried to get a vanilla kernel and patch it with RTAI, but i can't find any of the distributions that have a patch for 2.6.15 . Could anyone help me out or point me in the direction of a guide that might be able to help ( i have been quite unsuccessful in my attempts to find one)
[11:34] <pollyo> Anyone know if the Reaktivate activeX for Konqueror is still being worked on anywhere?
[11:35] <alphi_> would it be worth going back to one of the older distributions (6.06) and just using that ?
[11:35] <Yorokobi> sinpath, not that exactly. You'll need to 'sudo mkdir /mnt/windows' (or whatever you want to call it) and subst /dev/hd? with whatever the drive is connected to.
[11:36] <sinpath> hmm ok i'll try
[11:36] <_benjo-> Yorokobi, I think I found my problem..but I didn't see the resolution in the docs..I'm getting AccwssPoint: Not Associated error
[11:37] <Yorokobi> !paste | sinpath
[11:37] <ubotu> sinpath: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:37] <Yorokobi> sinpath, paste 'dmesg' to ^^^ then post the URL here
[11:37] <Yorokobi> sinpath, more precisely, paste the output of 'dmesg' to ^^^ :)
[11:38] <sinpath> the d mesg?
[11:38] <Yorokobi> sinpath, dmesg is a command
[11:38] <Yorokobi> !info dmesg > Yorokobi
[11:39] <henry_> good night. Someone is brazilian?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> !br
[11:40] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[11:40] <PLC> bye
[11:40] <PLC> +
[11:40] <tux> does one of you know where to vind the IPW3945 drivers? for intell wireless device
[11:41] <sinpath> ok i pasted it now what?
[11:41] <Kassan> Hello !
[11:41] <Yorokobi> sinpath, what is the URL of the pasted-to site?
[11:41] <pollyo> Anyone use Reaktivate within the last few years?
[11:42] <sinpath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13596/
[11:42] <Kassan> i have a question : i can't start kubuntu, on logging it re boot... but in console mode it works ...
[11:42] <alphi_> did you mess with the kernel ?
[11:43] <tux> the're something wrong with the login manager Kassan
[11:43] <alphi_> i did that in my first attempted patch and it was unable to boot properly after that
[11:43] <tux> had the same problem here
[11:43] <Yorokobi> sinpath, is the NTFS drive the Maxtor or the Seagate ?
[11:44] <Kassan> tux,  i think there's a problem with xhost !
[11:44] <sinpath> im not sure i understand the question
[11:44] <tux> could be
[11:44] <tux> one of you know where to find IPW3945 drivers btw?
[11:44] <Powerking89670> Lol. I just found out what my Sound problem was....problem exists between keyboard and chair apprently...
[11:45] <Yorokobi> sinpath, okay. Type 'mount' and paste it to a new http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:45] <sinpath> & if i dont get this problem fixed in the next 10 minutes i will have to swich over to windows to dj
[11:45] <BluesKaj> forgot to connect the speakers , Powerking89670 ? :)
[11:45] <Powerking89670> no
[11:45] <Powerking89670> Im not sure what caused the sound that worked to work
[11:45] <Powerking89670> but I heard SOMETHING from the speakers
[11:46] <sinpath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13597/
[11:46] <Yorokobi> sinpath, let's get it done before then (as I will be going home in 15 minutes :) )
[11:46] <sinpath> lol  we will try hun
[11:47] <Yorokobi> sinpath, okay. 'sudo mkdir /mnt/windows' then 'sudo mount /mnt/windows /dev/hdd1 -t ntfs'
[11:47] <Yorokobi> that should work ... :)
[11:47] <pollyo> Yorokobi: What does the -t do?
[11:47] <Yorokobi> did I just get "hun"ed?
[11:47] <Yorokobi> pollyo, tells mount which filesystem to use
[11:48] <pollyo> Yorokobi: Does ntfs give you read only?
[11:48] <sinpath> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/windows': File exists is what i get
[11:48] <Powerking89670> ntfs is always readonly, as any other way is unsafe
[11:48] <pollyo> Yorokobi: I setup ntfs-3g for read and write to my ntfs.
[11:48] <Yorokobi> sinpath, then skip that part and run the sudo mount... command
[11:49] <Yorokobi> pollyo, I had sinpath run through that as well. Is there a different -t option for rw on ntfs ?
[11:49] <pollyo> Yorokobi: I am not familiar so much with the inner workings of fstab and the configuration options.  I searched on some websites for the answers.
[11:50] <sinpath> says special device /mntwindows does not exist
[11:50] <pollyo> Yorokobi: Though the ntfs-3g website had some straight forward suggestions for the fstab settings.
[11:50] <Yorokobi> sinpath, you need a / between /mnt and windows (/mnt/windows)
[11:50] <sinpath> hmm all i can think is it may be fat32 format but i know my windows is NTFs
[11:50] <Yorokobi> pollyo, I should probably read that one of these days
[11:51] <Yorokobi> sinpath, did it give you an error?
[11:51] <pollyo> Yorokobi: <grin>
[11:51] <karel-jan> hello
[11:51] <karel-jan> can someone help me?
[11:51] <Yorokobi> !ask | karel-jan
[11:51] <ubotu> karel-jan: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:51] <sinpath> i got this now
[11:52] <sinpath> mount: /mnt/windows is not a block device
[11:52] <karel-jan> if the website states to add something to the repository, can someone tell me where?
[11:52] <karel-jan> i'm new to linux
[11:52] <Yorokobi> sinpath, I may have mixed up the order ... try 'sudo moun /dev/hdd1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs'
[11:53] <Yorokobi> !source-o-matic > karel-jan
[11:53] <Yorokobi> karel-jan, you've been PM'd by ubotu with instructions
[11:53] <Kassan> do you know where are saved the information about the last session ?
[11:53] <Yorokobi> !repositories > karel-jan
[11:54] <`AnDy`> how to get codecs on
[11:54] <`AnDy`> 8-)
[11:54] <sinpath> mount: special device /mntwindows does not exist
[11:54] <sinpath> (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[11:55] <sinpath> rong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1,
[11:55] <Yorokobi> sinpath, try it without the '-t ntfs'
[11:55] <_benjo-> I just installle Kubuntu 6.10...whats up with Adept installer..its not showing any software for installation...I can't even find firefox to install??
[11:55] <tuke__> sinpath sudo fdisk -l
[11:56] <Black_Cat> _benjo-: did you enable repositories?
[11:56] <sinpath> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[11:56] <Yorokobi> sinpath, try tuke__'s suggestion and look for the /dev/hdd entry
[11:56] <sinpath> *sigh*
[11:57] <sinpath> sudo: fdisk-l: command not found
[11:57] <_benjo-> Black_Cat, no I just installed it 20 mins ago. I have to "enable" repos??? HOw do I do that?
[11:57] <pollyo> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_Windows_partitions_(DOS,_FAT,NTFS)
[11:57] <pollyo> Wait that is for gentoo...
[11:57] <Yorokobi> separate fdisk and -l, sinpath
[11:57] <pollyo> The info is straightforward though.
[11:57] <karel-jan> thanx
[11:58] <_benjo-> Black_Cat, I never had this issue when I installed 6.06...the first time i fired up adept it showed everything that was installed...this isn't even showing that
[11:58] <nosrednaeki1> what is wrong with KDE apps in fiesty and the internet? kmail and konqieror both won't get stuff(netowrk and everything is working..I'm typing this in GAIM)
[11:58] <sinpath> Disk /dev/hda: 61.4 GB, 61492838400 bytes
[11:58] <zak> i just downloaded the recent kubuntu beta, and i opened amarok and built the collection before i installed mp3 codecs [my collection being mostly mp3] , and now amarok will not open [and it was a little unstable before i closed it] ... i thought it might of been because the library is mostly mp3 so i installed the codec and still the same... suggestions?
[11:58] <sinpath> i think it worked
[11:58] <_benjo-> Black_Cat, I must be doing something wrong., but I don't know what..
[11:58] <Black_Cat> _benjo-: go to KMenu-System-Adept, then goto Manage repositories and enable (uncomment) all the lines starting with deb or deb-src
[11:59] <zak> nosrednaeki1: same here - i gotta screw with konqueror and kopete to make them use the net [i thought it was just some strange dialup specific thing] 
[11:59] <sinpath> ok now what do i do ?
[11:59] <nosrednaeki1> zak: erase your .kde/share/apps/amarok
[11:59] <Yorokobi> sinpath, type mount again, what is the last line ?
[12:00] <nosrednaeki1> zak: I also am on dial up... but over ethernet...so that shouldn't be a problem
[12:00] <_benjo-> Black_Cat, I know what I was doing wrong..I was clicking on Add/Remove programs....it looks just like Adept..
[12:00] <nosrednaeki1> zak: and install libxine-extracodecs(if you haven't already)
[12:01] <Black_Cat> _benjo-: it is adept, the other part of it to be exact :) best of luck to you.
[12:01] <sinpath>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[12:01] <sinpath> /dev/hdd1   *           1         523     4200966    b  W95 FAT32
[12:02] <Yorokobi> sinpath, try 'ls /mnt/windows'
[12:02] <nosrednaeki1> links can also browse the web...just not konqueror...
[12:02] <nosrednaeki1> I should probably get the updated package...
[12:02] <zak> thanks nosrednaeki1 [i thought deleting the config/database might help, but i thought there might be some quick & simple solution too] 
[12:02] <sinpath> mount & then ls /mnt?
[12:02] <trenton> is there a way i can get the main menu bar to only display what is opened in that current desktop and not all the desktops?
[12:02] <nosrednaeki1> zak: right... well if you had settings left over from a previous instal.l..
[12:02] <_benjo-> Black_Cat, thanks
[12:03] <nosrednaeki1> it sometimes messes things up(did for me)
[12:03] <nosrednaeki1> maybe there is a bug report..
[12:03] <Yorokobi> sinpath, if you type mount, the last line should be similar to /dev/sdb2 on /mnt/windows (extra stuff)
[12:03] <Yorokobi> but
[12:03] <sinpath> ount: only root can do that
[12:04] <sinpath> $ mount ls /mnt/windows
[12:04] <Yorokobi> It looks like its fat32, not ntfs so ... if its not mounted 'sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt/windows' should do it
[12:04] <trenton> anybody have an idea?
[12:04] <sinpath> i got nothing that time
[12:05] <nosrednaeki1> trenton:yes
[12:05] <leiar> anybody experience with xvidcap or ffmpeg?
[12:05] <Yorokobi> sinpath, that may be good. :) try 'ls /mnt/windows' now
[12:05] <leiar> I can't record sound.  My error message: http://pastebin.ca/421555
[12:05] <sinpath> ok got some thing
[12:06] <trenton> nosrednaeki1: so how would i go about doing this?
[12:06] <nosrednaeki1> trenton: right click on the taskbar and say "configure" or whatever
[12:06] <BluesKaj> leiar, ffmeg with tovid ..works well
[12:06] <sinpath> its everything on my drive
[12:06] <sinpath> woot
[12:07] <Yorokobi> sinpath, if you want a Windows Explorer type interface, open Konqueror and type /mnt/windows in the location bar.
[12:07] <nosrednaeki1> What the....
[12:08] <sinpath> now  what do i do?
[12:08] <nosrednaeki1> ummm...ok
[12:08] <nosrednaeki1> trenton did you get my message?
[12:08] <Yorokobi> sinpath, did you get my pm (in a different tab or window)?
[12:08] <trenton_> nosrednaeki1: ah, i've been in there numerous times and never saw that lol
[12:08] <nosrednaeki1> ahh..
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> Argh! that at 100% of my cpu for a few mins :)
[12:09] <BluesKaj> splittsville
[12:09] <trenton_> nosrednaeki1: guess i need to pay more attention lol
[12:09] <leiar> BluesKaj: It works with xvidcap too, but the error message given when i try to record aith both motion and sound, doesn't say me anything
[12:09] <nosrednaeki1> trenton_: it's no problem..
[12:10] <BluesKaj> sorry leiar, no experience with xvidcap ..I use tovid in the Konsole
[12:10] <BluesKaj> what kind of file , leiar?
[12:11] <trenton_> so, what happened with the room? the server get overloaded or something?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> we got a reroute notice just previous to the split
[12:11] <trenton_> ah ok
[12:11] <`AnDy`> how can i wath movie :S..need codecs or something ?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> !codecs | `AnDy`
[12:12] <ubotu> `AnDy`: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats