[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #99967 in blueprint "Zero gap between search form and listing table" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99967
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #99990 in launchpad-bazaar "Poor capitalization in release series overview page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99990
[03:54] <thumper2> jml: quick, just a few more an you might get #100000 :)
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> why is lLP's bug numbers about 150 ahead of those shown in #ubuntu-bugs? 
[03:56] <thumper2> Kamping_Kaiser: perhaps it has to do with only lp bugs are shown here
 New bug: #99854 in kdelibs (at 11.26), <ubotu> New bug: #99990 (at 11.20)
[03:57] <thumper2> Kamping_Kaiser: and bugs in #ubuntu-bugs are just ubuntu ones rather than launchpad ones
[03:57] <thumper2> Kamping_Kaiser: ah
[03:57] <thumper2> Kamping_Kaiser: email gateway feeding ubotu?
[03:57] <ajmitch> most likely
[03:57] <thumper2> Kamping_Kaiser: no idea really
[03:58] <ajmitch> given that we know that the mailing list is lagging
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #99992 in launchpad "Not obvious how to make 'bzr branch https://launchpad.net/<product>' work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99992
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> *waits for 100,000 before posting more*
[04:07] <jml> thumper: hmm. no luck. I just filed #99996 -- that's the last bug I have to file from that particular use case
[04:09] <spiv> It's up to 99997,
[04:09] <spiv> You can watch https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ if you want to keep track :)
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> *doesnt have a .beta. account* (i
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> m randomly refreshing malone ;))
[04:10] <spiv> Well, assuming 100000 doesn't turn out to be a private bug....
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #99994 in launchpad "Creating a release series is somewhat confusing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99994
[04:11] <spiv> Kamping_Kaiser: bugs.launchpad.net has "Recently reported bugs" section too
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> spiv, i'm watching "Latest bugs reported across Malone"
[04:12] <spiv> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, that's the one.
[04:12] <spiv> (99998)
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> Malone statistics
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> 98691 Bugs
[04:13] <spiv> mpt wins!
[04:14] <spiv> mpt: good work
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ding ding ding :)
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> *claps*
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. awsome bug report
[04:15] <ajmitch> mpt: I know you were waiting for that :)
[04:15] <spiv> mpt: you deserve a prize, although I can't think what would be sufficiently appropriate.
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #99996 in launchpad "Branch chooser on "Edit source" page for Release Series should list the branches registered on the product by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99996
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> well... i suppose i've successfully been on irc now when 10,000 and 100,000 came up. wonder i'f i'll be here for the next 0
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #100000 in malone "There are still too many bug reports" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> woooo!
[05:37] <LaserJock> mpt: what a nice bug report on bug #100000 . I like your thinking ;-)
[05:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 100000 in malone "There are still too many bug reports" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000
[05:40] <crimsun> bah, simply roll over. Once we reach 99999, start back at 1.
[05:40] <mpt> crimsun, that was my previous suggestion (bug 1000)
[05:40] <ubotu> Malone bug 1000 in Ubuntu "There are too many bug reports in Malone" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000
[05:40] <crimsun> I move to start by closing all audio bug reports from mpt.
[05:40] <mpt> but as you can see, it was rejected
[05:40] <mpt> crimsun, ooh, whatever will you do with that ONE extra number
[05:41] <crimsun> it seems LaserJock could use a couple more bugs assigned to him
[05:41] <mpt> You'll have to find a whole new bug 80344
[05:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 80344 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound works only a few weeks per year" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80344
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> closing anything thats no longer supported in ubuntu would probably help
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:41] <LaserJock> crimsun: why do you think that? :-)
[05:42] <crimsun> hey, beryl-core sounds like it needs LaserJock's email
[05:42] <LaserJock> I already get enough from u-u-s
[05:43] <crimsun> mpt: I'm afraid I need someone actually present to debug that
[05:43] <crimsun> mpt: maybe grab one of the UbuntuStudio guys during UDS, and we can proceed
[05:43] <mpt> Arrr, that would require going to UDS :-(
[05:45] <ajmitch> mpt: you're not going this time?
[05:47] <mpt> BjornT, cprov, and kiko-afk will be there
[05:47] <ajmitch> fun
[05:50] <jamesh> it isn't called LDS, after all :)
[05:50] <LaserJock> but it should be
[05:50] <LaserJock> although ...
[05:50] <jamesh> (of course, LDS would probably need to be held in Utah)
[05:50] <LaserJock> that would be good for me at least
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lp goned :/
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'suppse it means the bug count will stop for a while :)
[07:03] <thumper2> Kamping_Kaiser: FYI lp is back
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> thumper2, ty
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> wahiilaoheh?? what happened there?
[07:05] <thumper2> :)
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) very cool, apart from needing to releaern the ui :P
[07:07] <ajmitch> oh, beta is now in production for everyone?
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> shiny.
[07:08] <ajmitch> apart from the missing bit at the top asking me not to put up screenshots :)
[07:09] <ajmitch> heh
[07:10] <mpt> Ok, I promise I won't touch the topic for at least another 13 hours
[07:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> are those 'home' and 'ubuntu' menus generated on the fly somehow? they take ages to load
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the 'most active in' section tell you? and how does it tell you waht its telling you? :|
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> and how are the 'most active' projects sorted?
[07:29] <LaserJock> but contribution I think
[07:29] <LaserJock> s/but/by/
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah right.
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> suppose i could belive that. exept i thought i did more then that :)
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> is 'no help on [homepage/faq] ' a bug or a feature?
[07:32] <LaserJock> I don't know much about the help part, I think that might be still worked on maybe
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, thanks. i'll leave it out there and hope someone answers :)
[07:33] <LaserJock> mpt would know I think
[07:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll afk and see what i see when i get back :)
[07:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl
[07:44] <jamesh> Kamping_Kaiser: it uses the karma tables to decide
[07:45] <jamesh> Kamping_Kaiser: which also means that if you do work that we don't have karma hooks for, it won't show up in that table
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> jamesh, thanks
[07:56] <jamesh> Kamping_Kaiser: also, it is only showing the top 5 projects: it isn't saying that you've only contributed to 5 projects on Launchpad
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> jamesh, i've only filed one bug one at least one of the things listed, so i figure i must be pretty close ;). but if it works on karma, as the karma for something drops, it would be 'less contributed to'? i can imagine that happening
[07:58] <jamesh> Kamping_Kaiser: I haven't looked at the code in detail, but that is about right
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[07:59] <jamesh> Kamping_Kaiser: for instance, we don't currently award karma for bazaar commits, so it won't ever show you as making code contributions to a project there.
[07:59] <jamesh> (yet)
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you recording what people do 'for when hooks go in', or is anything pre-hooks lost?
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i wont be affected, i'm just interested
[08:00] <jamesh> if/when we do add the karma-for-commits, it will most likely only cover new commits
[08:00] <jamesh> similar to when karma for answers.launchpad.net was implemented
[08:09] <BjornT_> lifeless: when's the next reviewer meeting?
[08:10] <jamesh> 10 minutes ago?
[08:11] <BjornT_> the wiki says a week and 10 minutes ago :)
[08:11] <lifeless> meh
[08:11] <jamesh> last week's excuse was a sprint
[08:11] <lifeless> lets do it, sorry
[08:11] <lifeless> nearly got this distributed graph delta working 
[08:11] <lifeless> reviewer meeting starts now
[08:12] <lifeless>  * Roll call
[08:12] <lifeless>  * Next meeting
[08:12] <lifeless>  * Queue status.
[08:12] <lifeless>  * How are post-merge reviews of rs/trivial commits going? (spiv, lifeless, @next reviewer meeting)
[08:12] <lifeless>  * Training up reviewers - to discuss (lifeless)
[08:12] <lifeless>  * [fasttrack]  (lifeless)
[08:13] <lifeless>  * Doctest style guide (BjornT)
[08:13] <lifeless> BjornT_: ping
[08:13] <lifeless> jamesh: ping
[08:13] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[08:13] <BjornT_> i'm here
[08:13] <jamesh> pong
[08:14] <spiv> I'm here.
[08:17] <lifeless> yes
[08:17] <lifeless> just assigned reviews
[08:17] <jamesh> ah.
[08:17] <lifeless> can you update it please  :)
[08:19] <jamesh> finished.
[08:19] <lifeless> thanks
[08:20] <lifeless> so queue status : 5 branches overdue
[08:20] <lifeless> 2 with jamesh, one with kiko and two with stub
[08:20] <lifeless> I'll mail kiko and and stub
[08:21] <lifeless> there are 9 accumulated over the weekend
[08:23] <lifeless>  * How are post-merge reviews of rs/trivial commits going?
[08:23] <lifeless> ?
[08:24] <lifeless> oh also, jamesh - when will you get to your reviews ?
[08:24] <jamesh> lifeless: will send off ddaa's one today.  Will get to Barry's one after that
[08:25] <BjornT_> i haven't done any post-merge reviews lately.
[08:25] <spiv> I haven't really done any lately (I sent one brief, mildly snarky query about a trivial based purely on the commit mail).
[08:26] <spiv> And exchanged extremely raised eyebrows with lifeless about a few other "trivial" commits last week :)
[08:27] <lifeless> in a discussion with SteveA/kiko/rinchen I suggested that we might add 'fasttrack' to accomodate the idea of 'This branch *is* landing no matter what, and we're willing to deal with fallout and fixups post-landing'
[08:28] <jamesh> who approves such commits?
[08:28] <lifeless> doing this might allow rs/trivial to be given a more strict application
[08:28] <lifeless> I dont know
[08:28] <lifeless> I would suggest only kiko/SteveA
[08:28] <spiv> lifeless: so fasttrack is "This *is* landing, but on the understanding it must get a post-merge review"?
[08:29] <lifeless> right
[08:29] <lifeless> an example where this might be good is ddaa's *deployed but not landed* supermirror latency reduction fixes.
[08:29] <lifeless> where we rolled out significant improvements deliberately for pycon, even though they hadn't passed review at that point.
[08:30] <lifeless> It seems wrong to me to have something like that *not* in mainline.
[08:30] <lifeless> and review process is here to support development & quality, not to be damage that is routed around.
[08:30] <jamesh> sounds preferable to having certain bits of infrastructure running off diverged trees
[08:30] <lifeless> BjornT_: your thoughts?
[08:30] <jamesh> (provided the divergences wouldn't impact the rest of LP if they were running off the code
[08:30] <spiv> A lot of the recent questionable-looking trivial landings have been about the 1.0 UI, again driven by deadline pressures, I think, like the latency improvements work.
[08:31] <spiv> This proposal sounds good to me.
[08:31] <BjornT_> i'd be include to add something like a "fastrack review queue" first, to see how that works out.
[08:31] <BjornT_> i.e, this code should be reviewed ASAP
[08:32] <BjornT_> s/include/inclined/
[08:32] <spiv> BjornT_: good idea.  And if it doesn't get reviewed fast enough, it might still land, but still need a post-merge review.
[08:32] <lifeless> well
[08:32] <lifeless> I think the difference here is not met by that
[08:33] <lifeless> which is e.g. 'This is going live in 4 hours, and should be fixed up after it lands'
[08:33] <BjornT_> yeah, that was what i had in mind. if it isn't reviewed fast enought, the code can still be landed, while the review process continues.
[08:34] <spiv> On a meta-level, I'm slightly disappointed that people have chosen to just push these in as "trivial" (often not even rs=foo!) without saying that the review system isn't working for them.  I'm not sure what, if anything, we should do about that.
[08:34] <jamesh> that said, is "rs=foo" that different to "fasttracked, approved by foo"?
[08:35] <spiv> jamesh: well, rs=foo doesn't imply that post-merge review needs to be done.
[08:35] <jamesh> I guess so
[08:35] <spiv> e.g. "update MochiKit javascript" is the sort of thing rs= should be used for, and it doesn't make sense to review that sort of change.
[08:35] <jamesh> Do we want to include who approved the fasttrack in the merge message?
[08:36] <lifeless> BjornT_: Sounds like if these things are equivalent, we could do the following: "fasttrack=approver"; put it in the fasttrack review queue, move on.
[08:36] <spiv> Although rs= shouldn't preclude post-merge reviews if that's what's appropriate!
[08:36] <lifeless> BjornT_: then the reviewer and submitter have a regular review process.
[08:37] <lifeless> jamesh: rs= implies that the approver hasn't read the diff, but has reason to believe it is safe without review
[08:37] <BjornT_> lifeless: yeah. although, i'd like to encourage people to wait for the review if possible.
[08:37] <jamesh> lifeless: yep.
[08:37] <BjornT_> if it's something that needs to go live in an hour, it's probably not possible to wait for a review, but if it needs to be landed before the next rollout, it might be possible to wait for a bit.
[08:37] <lifeless> BjornT_: As long as we allow both paths I think it will serve the purpose. Sounds like we have consensus
[08:38] <spiv> +1
[08:38] <lifeless> can you raise this at the .eu meeting please, see if it meets approval there too?
[08:38] <BjornT_> lifeless: yeah, it's basically the same that you proposed
[08:38] <BjornT_> sure, i raise it there as well.
[08:39] <lifeless> so back to post-merge reviews
[08:40] <lifeless> rinchen has been tracking all commits
[08:42] <lifeless> many of the trivials do not look like trivial things to me, just from commit message
[08:42] <lifeless> I think though, that getting fasttrack up and running might be good to do before worrying about trivial abuse too much
[08:42] <lifeless> see if it improves
[08:44] <lifeless> thoughts ?
[08:44] <jamesh> sounds good
[08:45] <BjornT_> yeah, sounds good
[08:45] <spiv> Agreed.
[08:46] <lifeless> ok
[08:46] <lifeless> BjornT_: please check .eu agree with this
[08:46] <lifeless> training up reviewers
[08:46] <BjornT_> lifeless: sure
[08:46] <lifeless> We have a imminent problem with resourcing of review team
[08:46] <lifeless> more staff == more reviews
[08:47] <lifeless> reviewers are expected to know all of lp
[08:47] <lifeless> to enforce code and design standards
[08:48] <jamesh> although most current reviewers didn't know all of LP when they started
[08:48] <lifeless> right
[08:48] <lifeless> most current reviewers grew up with lp
[08:48] <spiv> And I still don't ;)
[08:48] <lifeless> you, bjornt, spiv, salgado - vast bulk of reviewers.
[08:49] <jamesh> lifeless: well, flacoste started later and has picked things up
[08:49] <lifeless> this is true
[08:49] <jamesh> I'm saying that "knowing all of LP" isn't a prerequisite for starting to review code
[08:50] <lifeless> what we did with flacoste was to look at his first few reviews
[08:50] <jamesh> it may help though :)
[08:50] <lifeless> I'm basically thinking having some sort of buddy system, or review-new-reviewers-reviews, might reduce the risk with new reviewers.
[08:50] <jamesh> sounds good
[08:51] <lifeless> we're running late, mega meeting
[08:51] <lifeless> so I'll ask that we all think about this, that bjornt discusses it with the .eu crew, and we revisit it week after next. (Next week is easter)
[08:52] <lifeless> BjornT_: Doctest style guide.
[08:52] <BjornT_> right. this was brought up by ddaa when i was commenting on that test sections in doctests should be indented by four spaces.
[08:53] <BjornT_> do we have any document describing how doctests should look like?
[08:53] <BjornT_> i.e., what headings to use, indentation, general style, etc.?
[08:53] <BjornT_> i couldn't find any, and i think we should have such a document.
[08:53] <spiv> I can't even think of where it's written down that we ought to use moin-style heading markup, other than meeting minutes somewhere.
[08:55] <spiv> BjornT_: Sounds good.  Who will write it? :)
[08:55] <jamesh> I've usually indented test sections by 2 spaces in doctests
[08:55] <BjornT_> that's a good question :) any volunteers?
[08:56] <jamesh> (which is what the old pagetest generator produced)
[08:56] <BjornT_> ok, so indentation is one issue to discuss. personally i use 4 spaces, and i think that's what's being used in most of the tests we have.
[08:58] <lifeless> does pep8 talk at all about this ?
[08:58] <spiv> I've used 4 space indents, but not for any particular reason.  Whatever is already most common should probably win for that.
[08:58] <lifeless> is there a pep for doctest ?
[08:58] <jamesh> I don't think pep 8 mentions doctests
[08:58] <spiv> No, and neither does 257.
[08:59] <spiv> And there's no PEP with "test" in the title.
[08:59] <lifeless> ok
[08:59] <lifeless> I suggest a thread on launchpad-devel
[08:59] <lifeless> the result of which go into the LaunchpadHackingFAQ, or possibly a new wiki page.
[08:59] <jamesh> doctest itself uses 0, 2 and 4 space indents in its docstrings
[09:00] <spiv> The example in file:///usr/share/doc/python2.4/html/lib/doctest-simple-testfile.html uses 4 spaces
[09:00] <lifeless> how does that sound ?
[09:00] <jamesh> sounds good
[09:00] <lifeless> BjornT_: care to initiate, as follow on from your discussion with ddaa?
[09:01] <BjornT_> lifeless: sure. i can take responsibility to make sure that all this gets written.
[09:02] <lifeless> BjornT_: thank you!
[09:03] <lifeless> ok
[09:03] <lifeless> whew, long meeting.
[09:03] <lifeless> any other business?
[09:03] <jamesh> one thing.
[09:03] <BjornT_> what about the next meeting?
[09:03] <lifeless> BjornT_: two weeks, same time ?
[09:03] <lifeless> jamesh: go one
[09:03] <lifeless> *on*
[09:03] <jamesh> lifeless suggested that ancient branches on the pending-reviews page not get their diffs updated
[09:04] <BjornT_> lifeless: sounds good
[09:04] <jamesh> does anyone have any objection to branches older than 50 days that are not needs-review not getting updated?
[09:04] <jamesh> (that is 50 days since the last commit)
[09:04] <lifeless> jamesh: 50 days since last state change?
[09:04] <jamesh> yeah
[09:04] <lifeless> jamesh: that covers last-commit, and also last-move-between-stats
[09:05] <jamesh> lifeless: can probably do "now - max(last_state_change, last_commit) > 50"
[09:05] <spiv> Sounds ok to me.
[09:06] <lifeless> jamesh: yes, thats what I meant
[09:07] <jamesh> that'll currently stop 17 branches from updating
[09:07] <lifeless> how much time will that save ?
[09:08] <lifeless> oh please make them black or something to indicate this is happening
[09:08] <carlos_> morning
[09:08] <jamesh> I was thinking of an ugly brown colour
[09:08] <lifeless> cool
[09:09] <lifeless> any progress on the nearly-overdue flag too ?
[09:09] <jamesh> I haven't done that one yet.
[09:09] <jamesh> I'll look at doing both changes together
[09:09] <lifeless> thanks
[09:09] <lifeless> any other other business ?
[09:11] <lifeless> ok, meeting over and thanks!
[09:12] <BjornT_> thanks lifeless 
[09:13] <jamesh> BjornT_: btw, have you had a chance to look at my bug-import review reply?
[09:14] <BjornT_> jamesh: ah, sorry, no, other things came up. i'll look at it today or tomorrow.
[09:14] <jamesh> BjornT_: okay.  Thanks.
[09:15] <lifeless> thanks BjornT_ 
[09:17] <jml> PythonStyleGuide might be a better place than LaunchpadHackingFAQ, fwiw.
[09:58] <zyga> yay for new look and feel
[09:58] <zyga> MUCH better than before :-)
[09:58] <zyga> thank you launchpad team
[10:02] <zyga> did anyone notice that javascript table sorting is broken?
[10:08] <jamesh> zyga: more broken than before?
[10:08] <jamesh> zyga: or do you just mean that it is enabled on some pages that also use paged listings
[10:08] <jamesh> ?
[10:19] <jamesh> popey: you should upload a 192x192 image and a 64x64 image
[10:24] <jamesh> popey: you could upload a padded version of your existing hackergotchi
[10:25] <popey> thanks
[10:27] <jamesh> we don't have a big version of the rocket for https://launchpad.net/launchpad
[10:28] <zyga> jamesh: it's broken
[10:28] <zyga> jamesh: sorting is invalid
[10:28] <jamesh> zyga: please give an example so I have an idea of what you're talking about
[10:28] <zyga> jamesh: seems like it's sorting something else or maybe doing string sort instead of numeric sort
[10:28] <zyga> sure
[10:28] <jamesh> there are many places that do sorting in Launchpad
[10:30] <zyga> https://launchpad.net/command-not-found/+topcontributors
[10:30] <zyga> try to sort the overall list 
[10:31] <jamesh> zyga: seems to be working as expected here
[10:31] <zyga> hmm
[10:31] <zyga> jamesh: karma sort as well?
[10:31] <zyga> jamesh: I'm using safari (I'm at work now) and numeric sorting is 100% broken
[10:32] <jamesh> zyga: yep.  I tried all three columns of the "overall" table
[10:32] <jamesh> zyga: I'm using Firefox
[10:32] <zyga> sorting order does change but it's not correct
[10:32] <zyga> for product karma i have: 92, 7, 10, 5, 8, 11, 5 ,12
[10:32] <jamesh> zyga: please file a bug report about the problem, with details of the page, the column that didn't sort correctly, and the browser you're using
[10:33] <jamesh> I get 5, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 92
[10:33] <zyga> sure, no problem
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> it's not yet possible to manage custom packages with the new version of LP ?
[10:38] <jamesh> Sp4rKy: which form are you trying to use?
[10:41] <Sp4rKy> jamesh: the official site 
[10:41] <Sp4rKy> launchpad.net
[10:42] <jamesh> Sp4rKy: could you be more specific?
[10:42] <jamesh> i.e. a URL?
[10:43] <Sp4rKy> https://launchpad.net/elbuntu
[10:43] <Sp4rKy> that's a distro
[10:43] <Sp4rKy> and i can't add package from it 
[10:43] <Sp4rKy> https://launchpad.net/ebuntu/0.0/+addpackage
[10:43] <Sp4rKy> and here (a project), i can't add package other than from Ubuntu offcial releases
[10:44] <jamesh> we need to sort this out a bit
[10:44] <jamesh> Sp4rKy: does https://launchpad.net/ebuntu/0.0/+ubuntupkg do what you want?
[10:45] <jamesh> there is a bug about this
[10:46] <jamesh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/83350
[10:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 83350 in launchpad ""Link to Any Package" forbidden, "Link to Ubuntu Package" isn't" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[10:47] <Sp4rKy> jamesh: no, iwant to manage my own package with launcghpad
[10:47] <Sp4rKy> if it's possible
[10:47] <jamesh> Sp4rKy: okay.  We don't currently have a facility to allow you to do that
[10:48] <jamesh> Sp4rKy: it is in development though (named Personal Package Archives)
[10:48] <Sp4rKy> okay :)
[10:48] <Sp4rKy> i known it's in dev, but i thought it will come with the new version
[10:48] <Sp4rKy> thx :)
[10:48] <jamesh> which will let you publish your own packages, and have them built for the various architectures Ubuntu supports
[10:49] <Sp4rKy> ouahhh :)
[10:49] <Sp4rKy> it's really good !
[10:49] <jamesh> I can't give you any info about when it will be ready though.
[10:50] <jamesh> (the code will go through an internal beta before being made public)
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #100079 in malone "more rdf team info" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100079
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #100080 in malone "Make it hard/impossible to subscribe big teams (or make it a configuration option)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100080
[10:52] <Sp4rKy> jamesh: ok
[10:52] <Sp4rKy> thx for your work :)
[10:53] <jamesh> Sp4rKy: you want to thank the Soyuz guys for the PPA work :)
[10:54] <Sp4rKy> :)
[10:54] <Sp4rKy> yep :)
[10:54] <Sp4rKy> and all others for all the lp work !
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #100083 in malone "closed bug reports with open tasks are not found" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100083
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #100084 in launchpad-bazaar "'ssh bazaar.launchpad.net' hangs terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100084
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #100086 in launchpad "strings should be normalized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100086
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #100089 in launchpad "'View Projects' link from lp.net/projects/ just reloads lp.net/projects/" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100089
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #100101 in launchpad "Guided bug submission form does not allow creation of security or private bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100101
[11:56] <indraveni> kiko-afk, hi
[12:00] <jsgotangco> wow now that is launchpad
[12:26] <Lumiere> 
[01:02] <mitsuhiko> can someone explain me how one of my projects appears in the launchpad automatically?
[01:02] <mitsuhiko> alright. found the issue
[01:15] <mitsuhiko> hmm
[01:15] <mitsuhiko> someone submitted two of my projects
[01:15] <mitsuhiko> is there a chance to transfer the maintainer rights to my account?
[01:16] <Fujitsu> mitsuhiko: Sure, but you'll probably need to ask an LP admin.
[01:16] <mitsuhiko> Fujitsu: is there a contact?
[01:17] <Fujitsu> mitsuhiko: The 'admins' team on LP.
[01:17] <mitsuhiko> thanks
[01:17] <welterde> hi
[01:17] <mitsuhiko> kiko-afk: ping :)
[01:19] <kiko-afk> hey mitsuhiko 
[01:19] <mitsuhiko> kiko: hoi :)
[01:19] <mitsuhiko> small problem. welterde registered two projects of mine
[01:19] <mitsuhiko> now he has the maintainer rights, and not me :)
[01:19] <mitsuhiko> is there a way to chance that?
[01:19] <kiko> sure, it's easy
[01:19] <welterde> i could change that
[01:20] <mitsuhiko> oh
[01:22] <mitsuhiko> kiko: thanks for your help though :)
[01:22] <kiko> I love that sort of help :)
[01:29] <mitsuhiko> kiko: btw. the new design looks gorgeous
[01:29] <mitsuhiko> but i wish the platform was open source
[01:30] <kiko> it's a web service. :)
[01:30] <indraveni> kiko, hi
[01:30] <kiko> hey indraveni 
[01:30] <indraveni> kiko, I registered BOSS project in launchpad
[01:31] <indraveni> kiko, do you remember me?
[01:31] <kiko> yes, of course I do
[01:31] <mitsuhiko> kiko: well yes. but also webservices could be gpled
[01:31] <mitsuhiko> or licensed under bsd or whatever
[01:31] <mitsuhiko> sourceforge does it the same
[01:32] <welterde> did it the same
[01:32] <kiko> not really, they don't any longer
[01:32] <kiko> bbiab
[01:32] <welterde> gforge does
[01:32] <mitsuhiko> or did
[01:32] <mitsuhiko> well. sourceforge sucks
[01:32] <welterde> yup
[01:33] <indraveni> kiko, now are all the other options, available for free
[01:34] <cprov> good morning.
[01:34] <indraveni> kiko, like package management system , bazaar etc
[01:34] <indraveni> kiko, I am not knowing how to use launchpad, could you please guide me
[01:35] <mrevell> indraveni: Hi
[01:36] <indraveni> mrevell, hi
[01:36] <mrevell> indraveni: If you could give me a few minutes, I'll do my best to help you. I think kiko is away from his keyboard for a few minutes.
[01:36] <indraveni> mrevell, ok, I will wait, thankyou mrevell 
[01:43] <indraveni> mrevell, I will be back in 10 mins
[01:43] <mrevell> indraveni: Okay
[01:44] <welterde> kiko: ping
[01:44] <mitsuhiko> kiko: oki. but i got a request. can you remove this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ruty/trunk ?
[01:48] <kiko> welterde, yes?
[01:48] <kiko> mitsuhiko, let me see with ddaa 
[01:48] <kiko> ddaa, can we?
[01:49] <welterde> kiko: nevermind
[01:49] <kiko> hey bac 
[01:51] <ddaa> wut? wut?
[01:51] <ddaa> remove...
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Launchpad? Remove? Not going to happen.
[01:51] <kiko> heh
[01:51] <ddaa> mitsuhiko: removing branches from launchpad is a lot of hassle (can do with enough effort)
[01:51] <ddaa> mitsuhiko: so I would like to know WHY you want to remove it.
[01:52] <mitsuhiko> ddaa: well. i haven't even created it :)
[01:52] <welterde> because we want to switch over to launchpad
[01:52] <welterde> stop using subversion
[01:52] <welterde> start using bzr
[01:53] <ddaa> mitsuhiko: it was created because svn details were specified in ruty/trunk
[01:53] <ddaa> that's cool
[01:53] <ddaa> so, I could just stop the import, and mark the branch "abandoned" so it will not show up in the default branch listing.
[01:54] <ddaa> and set it's summary to say "historical import of Subversion trunk"
[01:54] <welterde> can we select another branch as trunk in that release series?
[01:54] <welterde> after that
[01:54] <kiko> yes
[01:54] <ddaa> welterde: yes, you can set the series branch to a bzr branch
[01:54] <ddaa> even without stopping the import
[01:55] <ddaa> so, would stopping the import, and marking the branch as abandoned would be enough?
[01:57] <welterde> yup
[01:58] <ddaa> okay, I'll do that
[01:58] <ddaa> BTW
[01:58] <ddaa> you may want to use that branch as a base for your new trunk :)
[01:58] <welterde> already done
[01:59] <ddaa> wonderful
[01:59] <welterde> https://code.launchpad.net/~welterde/ruty/devel <-- there
[01:59] <ddaa> mh
[01:59] <ddaa> funny that it has not been mirrored yet
[02:00] <welterde> how long does that normally take?
[02:01] <ddaa> normally, about 3 minutes
[02:02] <welterde> hmm...
[02:02] <welterde> bzr branching of that url seems to work
[02:02] <welterde> so i guess i just wait
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #101861 in launchpad ""Get an account" link included at top of /+tour page even if user is logged in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101861
[02:05] <indraveni> mrevell, I am back
[02:05] <mrevell> indraveni: Hello. How can I help?
[02:05] <indraveni> mrevell, could you help me now?
[02:06] <indraveni> mrevell, I want to know how to use launchpad
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #101858 in launchpad "User image in user info page is stretched" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101858
[02:06] <indraveni> mrevell, we are working for a Linux distribution which is based in Debian
[02:07] <indraveni> mrevell,  with the help of kiko I registered our distro but I am not knowing how to proceed further
[02:09] <mrevell> indraveni: Ah yes, you've been speaking to Elliot and and Matt Barker, I believe.
[02:09] <ddaa> there's something busted
[02:11] <mrevell> indraveni: As you're at this early stage, I think it may be best if I ask Elliot (know as statik on irc) to be speak to you. He's in the US and is not online just yet, but I'll ask him to contact you once he is online.
[02:11] <indraveni> mrevell, no, i dint
[02:11] <mrevell> indraveni: Ah, well, I think one of your colleagues has been speaking to Elliot, in that case.
[02:12] <mrevell> indraveni: Is your email address indraveni@yahoo.in?
[02:13] <indraveni> mrevell, its indraveni@yahoo.co.in
[02:13] <mrevell> indraveni: thanks. I'll ask Elliot to email you.
[02:13] <indraveni> mrevell, actually, in our prev talk, you told that you will make Elliot speak to me, but I dint get any mail regarding that
[02:14] <indraveni> mrevell, so I was waiting for you or kiko
[02:14] <mrevell> indraveni: Ah, I'm sorry to hear that. Let me call my colleague Matt Barker, who has been speaking to one of your colleagues.
[02:14] <indraveni> mrevell, anyway, thankyou for your help, please make Elliot to contact me as soon as possible
[02:14] <mrevell> indraveni: I shall. I'm sorry that you haven't heard from him yet.
[02:14] <indraveni> as I am very much anxiety to use launchpad
[02:15] <indraveni> mrevell, its ok
[02:15] <indraveni> mrevell, can you give me some basic information about launchpad
[02:15] <mrevell> indraveni: Yes, no problem :)
[02:15] <indraveni> mrevell, like which softwares are free and now available after registration
[02:17] <ddaa> TA
[03:05] <ddaa> welterde: the mirroring of your branch is delayed because of a glitch during today's launchpad rollout
[03:06] <ddaa> that should be fixed once stub finishes rolling out the new code
[03:06] <ddaa> I'm staying on alert to check for any further problem once that's done.
[03:19] <lapo> hi
[03:20] <lapo> conrats for the new launchpad ui, it's nice and most of the icons are tango style! :-)
[03:24] <ddaa> welterde: the import has been cleared and the branch is now out of the way
[03:26] <ddaa> lapo: thanks, this time the company contracted some actual designers
[03:26] <lapo> the result is really nice, wise idea :-)
[03:27] <mwh> heh :)
[03:28] <andreasn> the new design is great
[03:28] <kiko> thanks lapo, andreasn  -- happy you enjoy the result of the team's hard work :)
[03:28] <andreasn> just wanted to tell you dudes that, take care!
[03:28] <andreasn> cheers!
[03:29] <welterde> ddaa: thx
[03:30] <ddaa> welterde: be my guest
[03:31] <mwh> hmm, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/pydoctor/+addspec is a bit strange
[03:31] <mwh> "Please the introductory paragraph here.", then a very small box
[03:33] <kiko> mwh, you think you need more space to please the paragraph enough? <wink>
[03:34] <mwh> i think the text is probably in the wrong place
[03:34] <kiko> matsubara, is there a bug filed about that
[03:34] <kiko> mwh, I think that is bingo 
[03:34] <kiko> mrevell knows all about pleasing paragraphs
[03:35] <radix> I wonder how many complaints about font size it's going to require to change it :)
[03:36] <kiko> radix, did we change the default colour at least? I missed the checkins
[03:37] <radix> I dunno, I'm only subscribed to the font size issue :)
[03:37] <radix> there are like eighty billion duplicates per second
[03:37] <radix> (ok that is a slight exaggeration) 
[03:41] <matsubara> kiko: filing one now.
[03:41] <kiko> thanks matsubara always the ace
[03:49] <ddaa> The rollout glitch appears to be fixed. Launchpad branch mirroring now functions normally.
[04:01] <stratus> Does it makes sense register one CDD project in launchpad? I wish I could import the list of packages I'm using (actually the CDD is Etch based) and then receive bug reports for these packages. Thoughts? Btw, there's a possibility that the CDD will turn into a CUD in the near future.
[04:04] <ddaa> what are CDD and CUD?
[04:07] <kiko> custom debian/ubuntu distribution
[04:07] <ddaa> stratus: likely, you'd want to have your CxD be registered as a distro, not a simple project, and kiko is the man to talk about.
[04:08] <ddaa> not sure myself exactly how useful launchpad currently is to custom distros
[04:08] <ddaa> (I know it plans to rock the ass of custom distros eventually, but I do not know how far along the road we are yet)
[04:08] <stratus> kiko: I would like to register Sacix (sacix.org.br, pt_BR content only yet).
[04:09] <kiko> stratus, please take this up with statik and mrevell 
[04:09] <stratus> oh, as a side note I'm working to turn Simple-CDD in a Simple-CxD tool now that Etch is right around the corner. Simple-CDD 0.3.0 can't generate Ubuntu based images, but Simple-CxD will.
[04:10] <stratus> kiko: Is there a mail or something I should open a bug against or just drop them a message here?
[04:10] <statik> stratus: hi
[04:11] <stratus> statik: hey
[04:20] <bdmurray> This page says 'no title' on it near the peoples
[04:21] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad/+member/nath-dawson
[04:21] <bdmurray> I wanted to let someone know before I approve it, as I think that page'll go away.
[04:24] <kiko> so it does. how weird
[04:24] <kiko> matsubara, have you seen that before?
[04:27] <matsubara> kiko, bdmurray: can't access that page. I'm running it locally to check the error. hang on.
[04:29] <doko> ddaa: 99395 ping
[04:30] <ddaa> dokopong
[04:30] <doko> bug 99395
[04:31] <matsubara> bdmurray: I'll report it. seems like a broken template.
[04:32] <doko> ddaa: what I'm supposed to enter in the "Product Series" box?
[04:32] <ddaa> you mean there https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/gcc-4.1/+edit-packaging ?
[04:33] <doko> ddaa: yes
[04:33] <ddaa> clicking on "choose" and searching for gcc
[04:33] <doko> ddaa: which offers me just 4.0 and head
[04:33] <ddaa> is there _any_ other series in gcc?
[04:34] <doko> ddaa: at least 4.1 and 4.2 (and 3.3 and 3.4)
[04:34] <ddaa> doko: I do not see any of those https://launchpad.net/gcc
[04:35] <doko> ddaa: so a link to that page is appreciated ...
[04:36] <ddaa> doko: you would like a link to https://launchpad.net/gcc on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/gcc-4.1/+edit-packaging?
[04:39] <ddaa> doko: I understand you find the series selection UI confusing, but I do not understand what would be better for you. Can you tell me?
[04:40] <doko> ddaa: yes, if thats possible; a simple pointer to https://launchpad.net/gcc would be a start
[04:40] <ddaa> Well... that's not easy...
[04:41] <ddaa> we cannot link the source package to upstream, because the point of this form is that we do not have this information yet...
[04:41] <doko> currently it's somewhat a dead end
[04:41] <doko> but anyway, thanks for answering my immediate question
[04:42] <ddaa> doko: it would be nice if you could reply to that bug saying what was problematic to you and what improvement you would like...
[04:43] <ddaa> I do not know what would be feasible, but it's interesting input. I agree with you that generally the launchpad "link to something" scheme is difficult to use.
[04:48] <doko> ddaa: done
[04:50] <ddaa> doko: BTW, we call those "release series". We have branches in launchpad, and they are something else: bzr branches.
[04:55] <ddaa> okay, I tried to reformulate your request in terms for understandable to a launchpad developer
[05:21] <kiko> mdz!
[05:21] <kiko> carlos, danilo: johan tells me he uploaded some templates for kiwi, can you help?
[05:23] <carlos> kiko: I see them in the queue
[05:23] <kiko> do they need manual approving?
[05:23] <carlos> yes, it's first time we see them
[05:23] <carlos> kiko: did you check whether he's its maintainer?
[05:23] <carlos> or should I check it
[05:23] <carlos> ?
[05:24] <mdz> kiko: I am closer to your time zone now I think
[05:24] <kiko> he is its maintainer.
[05:24] <carlos> ok
[05:24] <kiko> mdz, you think? :)
[05:24] <carlos> I'm going to approve it then
[05:25] <mdz> kiko: DST is confusing between hemispheres, and both US and UK just changed at different times
[05:25] <kiko> mdz, how do you like your new surroundings?
[05:25] <carlos> kiko: approved
[05:25] <carlos> it should appear soon
[05:25] <kiko> thanks carlos 
[05:26] <carlos> kiko: please, ask him to set the 'use translations' flag
[05:26] <mdz> kiko: it is sunny in london!
[05:26] <mdz> kiko: the new office is a wonder of productivity
[05:26] <kiko> mdz, I want to take a peek at it soon
[05:27] <kiko> gotta love the sarcasm :)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ahhh, gotcha
[05:31] <LarstiQ> mdz: ah, a bigger office now?
[06:12] <yuriy> hi, is this new launchpad the beta that was being tested?
[06:12] <ddaa> yes
[06:12] <yuriy> does that mean it's too late for feedback now
[06:13] <ddaa> it's never too late
[06:13] <ddaa> no software is ever finished, anyway
[06:13] <yuriy> well i have three problems with it
[06:13] <ddaa> but here is not the best place if you want your feedback to be recorded :)
[06:13] <ddaa> better to post to launchpad-users or file a bug
[06:14] <ddaa> talk is transient
[06:15] <LarstiQ> could be known issues though
[06:17] <yuriy> probably, i mean the glaring one is the bright green bar at the top, i would guess there was some debate about that?
[06:18] <LarstiQ> oh, I've never noticed that one before
[06:19] <LarstiQ> http://www.google.nl/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Flaunchpad-users%2F+green+bar doesn't return any hits
[06:20] <yuriy> also the low contrast gray font in the bug text is hard to read. i think it's always been like that but sticks out more with the other bright colors
[06:20] <kiko> the gray font is a known problem
[06:20] <yuriy> the font is also really small but it's fine in konqueror, so that may be opera's fault
[06:21] <yuriy> and the tabs don't render right, they do in konqueror, so that may be opera's fault too
[06:24] <ploum> hello
[06:25] <ploum> can anyone tell me if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/malone/+spec/xmlrpc is a proposed complete implementation of xml-rpc for malone ?
[06:25] <ploum> (which would enable to modify bug, post comments, change status, etc...)
[06:25] <ploum> if yes, I volunteer to write the commande-line application (as long as I can do it in python)
[06:31] <FunnyLookinHat> Great release on launchpad beta guys!! It's fantastic and a great improvement over the old interface!  : )
[06:31] <matsubara> ploum: I believe, bughelper is probably the best candidate to be the client side application for that.
[06:33] <kiko-fud> :)
[06:34] <ploum> matsubara: AFAIK, bughelper is read-only
[06:34] <LarstiQ> hmm, I can't seem to find the bug about the bug details not being expanded by default
[06:34] <ploum> I hope that the specification implies the ability to modify bugs
[06:35] <LaserJock> ploum: I would think the idea would be that bughelper would grow bug writing via xml-rpc
[06:36] <ploum> Ah, ok
[06:36] <ploum> Then it's fine
[06:36] <ploum> I would really like to see that
[06:36] <LaserJock> ploum: were you thinking GUI? like consiele or whatever your app is named? :-)
[06:36] <ploum> because the upgrade today just broke my application to handle bug in launchpad
[06:36] <ploum> LaserJock: yes :-)
[06:36] <ploum> of course
[06:37] <LaserJock> I wonder if a GUI frontend to bughelper would be easy to do
[06:38] <ploum> but if nobody want to do it, in the meanwhile, I can also do the command-line-tool
[06:38] <ploum> LaserJock: the goal is not to do another gui
[06:38] <ploum> is to add features to conseil so conseil is equivalent to bughelper
[06:38] <ploum> (but in GUI)
[06:41] <pochu> LaserJock, ploum: you can file a bug ;)
[06:42] <ploum> pochu: I will do that immediatly
[06:42] <pochu> ploum: cool
[06:42] <somerville32> salgado, ping
[06:42] <salgado> somerville32, pong
[06:43] <somerville32> salgado, I was just wondering if the voting infrastructure was in place.
[06:45] <sm> good morning all
[06:45] <sm> congrats on the new launchpad ui, it's beautiful
[06:45] <salgado> somerville32, it's been in place for a long time... we just need to check whether it has everything the CC needs or not
[06:45] <sm> a question: how do I close a bug ? eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/zwiki/+bug/1928
[06:45] <somerville32> salgado, Are there any efforts in that regard?
[06:45] <salgado> somerville32, I guess the poll for this CC voting has to be a preferential one, right?
[06:46] <LarstiQ> sm: set it to fix released
[06:46] <sm> LarstiQ: how ?
[06:47] <LarstiQ> sm: click on the zwiki (upstream) part in the Affects table
[06:47] <sm> woah
[06:47] <salgado> somerville32, first we need to figure out what are the requirements
[06:47] <sm> thank you
[06:47] <sm> why is all that stuff in there ?
[06:48] <sm> nm, I'm sure it will make sense in a moment
[06:48] <somerville32> salgado: Very true.
[06:48] <LarstiQ> sm: in this case you need the status dropdown
[06:48] <ploum> pochu: bug #101969
[06:49] <pochu> looking
[06:49] <salgado> somerville32, do you know all the requirements?
[06:49] <somerville32> salgado, I would assume that members would be able to vote for 3 out of the 5 candidates.
[06:49] <ploum> s/website is update/website is updated
[06:50] <somerville32> s/would/should
[06:50] <LarstiQ> is anyone working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/83615 ?
[06:52] <LarstiQ> bug 83615
[06:52] <LarstiQ> hmm, Ubugtu is no longer with us?
[06:52] <somerville32> Guess not
[06:52] <pochu> we have ubotu, instead
[06:53] <LarstiQ> pochu: it's not doing it's job though :)
[06:53] <pochu> but it's broken because of the new UI
[06:53] <pochu> LarstiQ: ^ :)
[06:53] <pochu> oh, no
[06:53] <pochu> oh, yes :)
[06:54] <LarstiQ> bah
[06:54] <salgado> somerville32, maybe you can collect all the requirements so that we can sort out what needs to be done in launchpad to support the CC voting?
[06:54] <pochu> surely Seveas will now better, though :)
[06:54] <Seveas> ?
[06:54] <Seveas> no, new ui didn't break it
[06:54] <pochu> Seveas: ubotu broken, due to LP new UI?
[06:54] <Seveas> I broke it :)
[06:54] <pochu> hehe
[06:54] <Seveas> it's just fixed
[06:54] <Seveas> bug 83615
[06:54] <pochu> you're bad! :)
[06:54] <somerville32> salgado, Certainly.
[06:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 83615 in launchpad "Remember expanded/collapsed portlet states with cookies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83615
[06:55] <pochu> cool :)
[06:56] <Kuhrscher> carlos: Do you know why the translations of the program quanta are not included in the Langpacks?
[06:56] <Seveas> !info quanta
[06:56] <Kuhrscher> It's an already known issue: Bug #46156
[06:57] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2361 kB, installed size 5700 kB
[06:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 46156 in kdewebdev "Quanta with wrong language (English)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46156
[06:57] <LarstiQ> oh darn it
[06:58] <somerville32> Is stage live?
[06:58] <somerville32> I get 500
[07:00] <carlos> Kuhrscher: everything looks correct
[07:00] <carlos> Kuhrscher: the only explanation I can give you is that the translationdomain changed and we didn't see it
[07:01] <LarstiQ> so, is anyone doing work on bug 88342 ?
[07:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 88342 in launchpad "portlets should be expanded by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88342
[07:01] <carlos> Kuhrscher: I'm going to assign me that bug so I investigate it tomorrow
[07:02] <Kuhrscher> carlos: That's nice. Thank you.
[07:05] <paulproteus> I just wanted to say that Launchpad looks really really nice now. (-:
[07:08] <mitsuhiko> yeah. much better
[07:09] <mitsuhiko> but it's awfully slow :(
[07:10] <LarstiQ> mpt: ping
[07:10] <mpt> (LarstiQ: In case I'm not here right now, tell me about what you want, and I'll reply when I'm available.)
[07:12] <LarstiQ> mpt: ironic that you're using a Mithrandir based script. Pinging about 88342
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #100046 in launchpad "ID OOPS-457B251" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100046
[07:16] <somerville32> In the old interface, there was a way to see all the packages a team was a bug contact for and the number of bugs for each package.
[07:16] <somerville32> How do I do that in the new interface? It was rather important to me as a "roadmap" for bug triage
[07:17] <somerville32> oh,figure it out
[07:18] <somerville32> *figured
[07:18] <somerville32> I can't type today :)
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #101902 in blueprint "Misplaced instruction in register new blueprint form" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101902
[07:22] <idnar> hi, hope I'm in the right place; I'm trying to figure out how I can subscribe to see bug reports against an Ubuntu package in Launchpad
[07:23] <idnar> ah nm, "Bugmail Settings" is what I wanted
[07:30] <_StefanS_> hi there
[07:30] <_StefanS_> I was wondering about the new launchpad..
[07:31] <_StefanS_> what if I want to find all bugs related to kubuntu ?
[07:32] <ubotu> New bug: #48735 in soyuz "changelog histories for packages are not viewable/searchable" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48735
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #101917 in launchpad "Membership status page showing no title header" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101917
[07:45] <topopardo> Hi, I just logged in to sat that the new Launchpad is really awesome
[07:45] <topopardo> keep up the great work :)
[07:46] <kiko> thanks topopardo 
[07:46] <topopardo> that's the least I can do
[07:47] <topopardo> ok, I go back to work
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #101935 in launchpad "Broken tab navigation in project overview page" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101935
[07:53] <ubotu> New bug: #101945 in launchpad "14x14 icon sizes for Launchpad are too small" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101945
[07:59] <welterde> can an umbrella project have branches?
[08:00] <carlos> welterde: not directly
[08:01] <welterde> meh...
[08:01] <alex-weej> new lp rocks, well done
[08:06] <welterde> can an already existing project with no branches be an umbrella project?
[08:07] <carlos> welterde: as far as I know, that's not handled in Launchpad
[08:07] <carlos> could you explain what's your use case?
[08:08] <welterde> i have an project called xia, which is kinda a meta-project, because it consists of plugins
[08:08] <lionel> Is there a way to get a commit mail for a bzr branch hosted on LP ?
[08:09] <carlos> lionel: I know there is something being worked, but I don't know its status, you will need to check with thumper or ddaa
[08:09] <LarstiQ> lionel: hopefully that is rolled out within the next two weeks
[08:10] <carlos> or LarstiQ ;-)
[08:10] <lionel> Ok, *really* cool :)
[08:10] <lionel> you're too fast guys !
[08:10] <carlos> welterde: doesn't it have some code to use those plugins?
[08:11] <welterde> it has, which is the code that is currently in that xia project
[08:11] <welterde> it's the core of the system
[08:12] <radix> welterde: yeah, you still need to have the project separate from the umbrella project
[08:12] <welterde> like xia-core...
[08:13] <radix> or "xia" and "xia-project", or something
[08:13] <carlos> right
[08:13] <radix> even ignoring launchpad it makes sense to distinguish the two concepts
[08:13] <carlos> that's what I was going to suggest
[08:13] <LarstiQ> or bzr and bazaar
[08:13] <radix> LarstiQ: that one's weird, IMO :P
[08:14] <LarstiQ> radix: awww, I like it :)
[08:14] <radix> and I bet you give kittens the middle finger
[08:16] <radix> LarstiQ: it's a less violent version of "kicking puppies"
[08:17] <ubotu> New bug: #46156 in kdewebdev "Quanta with wrong language (English)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46156
[08:18] <LarstiQ> radix: ah, no, I don't enjoy doing that.
[08:18] <radix> :(
[08:20] <radix> larstiq: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/12/03
[08:21] <LarstiQ> heh
[08:21] <LarstiQ> I do enjoy penny arcade, but I'm not a regular reader
[08:30] <sean> Evening
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #101982 in launchpad "No way to consolidate different bug trackers for projects hosted at launchpad" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101982
[08:32] <sean> I just imported my pgp key. As part of the process I recieved an encrypted e-mail with a confirmation link. As I'm sure everyone else did.
[08:33] <sean> Now I'm not crypto king or anything but I would have thought sending everyone identical messages would make it easier to crack the encryption.
[08:33] <sean> Wouldn't it be a good idea to include some kind of random spam in the e-mail?
[08:34] <paulproteus> sean, It turns out that GPG/PGP already includes random data as part of the encryption process.
[08:34] <ubotu> New bug: #101987 in launchpad "+tour and help.lp.net main templates need updating" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101987
[08:34] <paulproteus> It's just not visible to the end user; it's part of the encrypted message not the decrypted message.
[08:34] <paulproteus> sean, Also, if the math behind PGP is correct, then even sending the same message to many different people wouldn't decrease security.
[08:35] <welterde> so how do i create an umbrella project?
[08:35] <sean> Surely knowing what a good percentage of the decrypted message is in advance narrows the odds considerably
[08:36] <sean> I'm just playing devils advocate here
[08:37] <danirus> Hi
[08:37] <danirus> I've just created a new project in Bazaar
[08:38] <danirus> I mean, registered under launchpad
[08:38] <danirus> But I commit a mistake with the name
[08:38] <danirus> I write my user name instead of the project name, and now, the url of the project uses my user name, what is wrong
[08:39] <paulproteus> sean, #gpg would be more informative probably for you.
[08:39] <danirus> Could any administrator repair it, please?
[08:40] <paulproteus> sean, But anyway, lp.net does include random junk as part of the GPG encryption process anyway. (-:
[08:42] <matsubara> danirus: please file a ticket here https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket with the URL of the project you want renamed
[08:42] <danirus> thanks matsubara! Chao!
[08:50] <sean> paulproteus, Yeah but if you have 70 or 80% of the plaintext before you begin cracking you're shortening the odds.
[08:50] <sean> Well whatever
[08:52] <welterde> can someone make xia an umbrella project? would be quite useful, for handling all the parts
[08:55] <matsubara> welterde: file a ticket  https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket requesting the creation of a xia-project group. mention in the ticket all the projects you want under that umbrella project.
[08:55] <welterde> could be the project xia reused?
[08:57] <matsubara> welterde: something like have the project group named xia, and the current xia project called xia-core?
[08:57] <welterde> that xia project is already empty
[08:57] <welterde> i have moved those two branches to the xia-core project
[09:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:00] <matsubara> welterde: no, it can't be reused. internally they're two different things.
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #102015 in launchpad "Notifications messages are cropped on home page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102015
[09:03] <ajmitch> morning mpt 
[09:18] <samurai> hi everyone
[09:19] <samurai> the Launcpad beta kicks butt!!!! Nice job
[09:19] <kiko> hey sam
[09:19] <kiko> thanks for saying that
[09:19] <samurai> hey kiko
[09:19] <mpt> LarstiQ, it's a variation of an X-Chat port of the Mithrandir script
[09:19] <kiko> it has been long coming along
[09:19] <samurai> I forgot it was happening today and when I logged I was stunned at how much more functional it was, at least to me
[09:19] <kiko> samurai, you can blame mpt for the good parts :)
[09:20] <kiko> heh, great that it had that impact
[09:20] <samurai> very nicely done, nevertheless... everything is there without having to spend time searching for it
[09:20] <samurai> I'm sure more so as I use it
[09:20] <samurai> truly a nice piece of work Congratulations to the team
[09:21] <kiko> thanks
[09:21] <samurai> ur welcome
[09:21] <mpt> LarstiQ, 88342 is probably not for me to decide
[09:22] <welterde> is it possible to delete an project?
[09:22] <mdke> nope
[09:23] <kiko> welterde, kinda.
[09:23] <welterde> kiko: what do you mean?
[09:23] <kiko> welterde, it depends on what /you/ mean :)
[09:24] <mdke> there is a "move to wastebasket" feature :)
[09:24] <mdke> but no "empty wastebasket"
[09:24] <welterde> so it can be replaced by an umbrealla project
[09:25] <welterde> would that be possible?
[09:51] <welterde> or can someone send the xia project to the wastebasket?
[10:11] <carlos> welterde: please, for those admin request, use our ticket system: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket
[10:12] <carlos> that way all admins will see it, you will see its status and it's hard that we forget it
[10:18] <LarstiQ> mpt: I thought you filed it, but that's 83615 *got totally lost*
[10:19] <mikebro> All of the sites under https://help.launchpad.net/ have the "This is a private beta. Please do not post screenshots publicly. Bug reports and feedback welcome." message along the top, should I file a bug against this?
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #102055 in launchpad "[ui regression]  relevant build information not visible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102055
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #102058 in malone "malone suffers from the plone desease (too small font sizes)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102058
[10:22] <mpt> mikebro, yes please
[10:22] <mikebro> mpt: alright, thanks
[10:23] <mpt> LarstiQ, I may have reported it based on someone else's complaint, but that doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it :-)
[10:23] <LarstiQ> mpt: do you? :)
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #102064 in launchpad "[ui regression]  contrast of font color and background" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102064
[10:26] <mpt> LarstiQ, since you ask, no, I think we should have fewer boxes and they should be always visible :-)
[10:26] <LarstiQ> mpt: either a statement would be nice, based on that I can decide if it's worth it to invest time in GreaseMonkey
[10:26] <LarstiQ> mpt: ah yeah, that would be good too
[10:45] <jwendell> matsubara, can you help me on LP?
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #102075 in launchpad "Private beta screenshot policy message during public beta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102075
[10:46] <matsubara> jwendell: sure, what do you need?
[10:47] <jwendell> matsubara, it's about bug 84183. I want to reject 'grep-dctrl' affects but LP says there is an error
[10:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 84183 in sbuild "sbuild depends on grep-dctrl, which is a transition package" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84183 - Assigned to Jonh Wendell (wendell)
[10:48] <matsubara> jwendell: what's the error message? any oops code?
[10:49] <jwendell> matsubara, There is a problem with the information you entered. Please fix it and try again.
[10:49] <jwendell> matsubara, under package name field:
[10:49] <jwendell> This bug has already been reported on dctrl-tools (ubuntu).
[10:49] <jwendell> matsubara, in red
[10:51] <jwendell> matsubara, if you go to bug page, i'll see that there are 3 packages affected. The first one i managed to reject, but the second one no
[10:52] <matsubara> jwendell: i was able to reproduce it here. I think it's a known bug. let me look for it. hang on
[10:52] <jwendell> ok
[11:12] <sm-work> in Add distribution packaging record, Packing field, is SourcePackageIncludes Product the correct option for a python app ?
[11:15] <mindspin> hi, can anybody tell me where the "find a team/project/people" part of launchpad or has this feature gone?
[11:16] <LarstiQ> mindspin: https://launchpad.net/people
[11:16] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/people/ ?
[11:16] <LaserJock> bah, LarstiQ was too fast for me :-)
[11:17] <mindspin> ok thanks I#m just to stupid for the new look ;-)
[11:19] <mindspin> its alittle slow, the link needs about two seconds of keeping the mouse on "home" before showing up
[11:20] <mindspin> could be a little faster
[11:20] <ryanakca> is there a way to delete/remove a project?
[11:21] <mdke>  /people?
[11:21] <mindspin> all the links beneath "home"
[11:22] <mindspin> oops mdke is already gone
[11:22] <ryanakca> hmm... beta.launchpad.com == launchpad.com now? or will there still be updates to beta.lp.com?
[11:22] <ryanakca> wb mdke
[11:22] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I think Beta has been released
[11:22] <ryanakca> LaserJock: 1.0 has, yes
[11:23] <LaserJock> so updates will go to launchpad.net
[11:23] <mindspin> mdke :all the links beneath "home"
[11:23] <mitsuhiko> hmm. the popup menus are damn slow
[11:23] <mindspin> are very slow here
[11:23] <mitsuhiko> projects takes 10 seconds to load
[11:23] <LaserJock> ryanakca: well, there will probably be a beta for 2.0
[11:23] <ryanakca> which happens... in a year? two?
[11:23] <LaserJock> I have no idea
[11:23] <LaserJock> I'm just an ordinary LP user ;-)
[11:24] <ryanakca> lol
[11:24] <ryanakca> me too
[11:24] <mindspin> so am I
[11:24] <ryanakca> well, beta user. Nothing special... just someone who likes the pretty colours
[11:25] <ryanakca> anywais, how do I remove a project?
[11:25] <mitsuhiko> ryanakca: you can't :)
[11:25] <LarstiQ> ryanakca: you can leave it in place till you get to work on it?
[11:26] <ryanakca> ah
[11:26] <ryanakca> well, as long as it isn't in the way, :)
[11:26] <LarstiQ> ryanakca: that should be fine
[11:27] <mindspin> any chance to get the popups a bit quicker?
[11:30] <LarstiQ> popups?
[11:30] <mindspin> the menu
[11:30] <LaserJock> the drop down menu in the green bar at the top
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #99674 in language-pack-kde-pl (main) "Broken polish translation in Adept Notifier (dup-of: 46982)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99674
[11:31] <LaserJock> Home -> etc.
[11:31] <LarstiQ> oh hey, I hadn't seen that yet
[11:31] <mindspin> yup the drop down menu is extremely slow
[11:31] <mitsuhiko> mindspin: #102102
[11:31] <LaserJock> LarstiQ: lol, really?
[11:31] <LarstiQ> mindspin: what's your ping to launchpad?
[11:31] <LarstiQ> LaserJock: really
[11:31] <mindspin> thats why I asked where the "people" section has gone
[11:32] <mitsuhiko> (oh. that's a schnapszahl)
[11:32] <mindspin> about 67 ms
[11:32] <LarstiQ> mindspin: hmm, not too bad
[11:32] <mindspin> I#m in germany
[11:33] <mindspin> it took about more than ten seconds for the realeases to show up
[11:33] <LaserJock> I think it's a programmed thing, not a connection issue
[11:34] <mindspin> and nobody keeps the mouse pointer for so long on a menu item
[11:34] <mitsuhiko> LaserJock: i uses XmlHTTPRequest to get the data
[11:34] <mitsuhiko> that can be slow
[11:34] <LaserJock> but the submenus are fast
[11:34] <mindspin> LaserJock: jupp 
[11:34] <LaserJock> does it grab all the submenus at the same time
[11:34] <mindspin> no
[11:34] <LarstiQ> mindspin: releases of what? Could be we have different data in there
[11:34] <LarstiQ> LaserJock: no
[11:34] <mitsuhiko> LaserJock: open firebug and investigate :D
[11:35] <mindspin> projects->ubuntu->Releases needed about ten seconds to show up at all
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #102102 in launchpad "Launchpad awfully slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102102
[11:35] <mindspin> ;-)
[11:35] <LarstiQ> mindspin: sub second for me
[11:35] <mitsuhiko> ubotu: you are slow too :)
[11:35] <LaserJock> the submenus are way faster
[11:35] <LarstiQ> on first load even
[11:36] <mindspin> nope
[11:36] <LarstiQ> so why is that different for us?
[11:36] <mindspin> LarstiQ: I'm not cheating
[11:36] <LarstiQ> mindspin: nor am I
[11:37] <mindspin> a firefox issue?
[11:37] <mindspin> I#ll have a try with konqueror
[11:37] <LarstiQ> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070309 Firefox/2.0.0.3 fwiw
[11:37] <mitsuhiko> LarstiQ: ubuntu here
[11:37] <LarstiQ> untill I fix my bios, no linux here :(
[11:38] <mindspin> 10 seconds to load the page
[11:38] <mitsuhiko> mindspin: then add a comment to my bug report. maybe someone fixes it then :)
[11:38] <mindspin> the submenu of distributions doesn'teven show up in Konqueror
[11:40] <LaserJock> for me it takes like 1.5-2 seconds to get the inital menu
[11:40] <LaserJock> then the submenus are almost instantaneous
[11:41] <mitsuhiko> LaserJock: which browser?
[11:41] <LaserJock> Firefox on OS X
[11:42] <mindspin> comment to bug added
[11:42] <LaserJock> doh, sorry. It's actually camino on OS X
[11:42] <mindspin> seems to be a javascript issue imho
[11:43] <mindspin> weird thing is, taht the submenus do not even show up in konqueror
[11:43] <mitsuhiko> so if it's only an issue for ubuntu users something is wrong ^^
[11:44] <LaserJock> No menu shows up in safari
[11:44] <LaserJock> Firefox for me is the same as camino
[11:45] <LaserJock> do the submenus have context?
[11:45] <LaserJock> if I'm not logged in I don't get any submenus
[11:46] <mindspin> and IE6 in kubuntu doesn't load the site at all
[11:46] <LarstiQ> LaserJock: well, the projects listed are ones I'm involved in, lower than that I don't think there is context
[11:47] <LaserJock> facinating
[11:47] <LaserJock> that's really cool
[11:48] <mindspin> maybe it hates germans ;-)
[11:48] <mitsuhiko> mindspin: Austrian too
[11:48] <mindspin> or german speakers;-)
[11:49] <mitsuhiko> mindspin: well. German != Austrian German :D
[11:49] <mindspin> i know
[11:49] <mitsuhiko> yesterday there was a discussion on the german python channel about "schiarch / schirch / schiach"
[11:49] <LarstiQ> or people between .nl and .au ;)
[11:49] <mindspin> schiach and leiwand are pure austrian words
[11:50] <ajmitch> LarstiQ: .au?
[11:50] <mindspin> at
[11:50] <mitsuhiko> au would be australia
[11:50] <LarstiQ> ajmitch: iirc that is where LaserJock is from
[11:51] <ajmitch> LarstiQ: ah, no ;)
[11:51] <LarstiQ> .nz then?
[11:51] <mindspin> ok, time to fetch some sleep
[11:51] <mindspin> night folks
[11:51] <mitsuhiko> mindspin: gn8
[11:51] <LarstiQ> oh bah
[11:51] <mitsuhiko> have i already noted that the new design kicks-ass?
[11:52] <ajmitch> confusion
[11:52] <LaserJock> LarstiQ: although the state I'm in is Nevada, abbreviated NV
[11:52] <LaserJock> so NV ~ NZ and poof, I'm a kiwi
[11:52] <LarstiQ> ajmitch: that's a good reason to confuse others, not myself ;)
[11:53] <LarstiQ> LaserJock: heh :)
[11:56] <thumper> morning
[11:57] <ajmitch> hey thumper 
[11:57] <thumper> hi ajmitch
[11:57] <ajmitch> LarstiQ: now thumper is from .nz, I know that much :)
[11:57] <thumper> it doesn't look like I'll be at UDS
[11:57] <ajmitch> ah, a shame
[11:57] <LaserJock> hmm, ok I found this.TOP_MENU_DELAY = 0.9; and this.MENU_DELAY = 0.1;
[11:57] <thumper> *shrug*
[11:57] <LaserJock> oh, that reminds me
[11:57] <LarstiQ> where is UDS?
[11:57] <ajmitch> thumper: you probably do enough travelling
[11:58] <ajmitch> LarstiQ: sevilla
[11:58] <LarstiQ> ok, too far out for me
[11:58] <thumper> ajmitch: I'm off to London on Saturday, heading to do some work in Paris with ddaa and ACCU conference
[11:58] <ajmitch> thumper: we should just catch up for lunch sometime
[11:58] <thumper> ajmitch: yeah, Thursday?
[11:59] <LarstiQ> thumper: does it make sense for you to attend the bzr sprint?
[11:59] <ajmitch> thursday could work
[11:59] <thumper> LarstiQ: maybe, I need to talk to poolie
[12:00] <ajmitch> thumper: 12 on thurs?
[12:01] <thumper> ajmitch: sure
[12:01] <thumper> ajmitch: robbie statue?
[12:13] <ajmitch> thumper: works for me
[12:14] <thumper> ajmitch: good