[11:35] <lapo> hi there
[11:36] <kwwii> hi
[11:43] <andreasn_> hi lapo
[11:44] <lapo> yo kwwii, andreasn
[11:50] <kwwii> lapo: great work on the stock icons, btw
[11:51] <lapo> kwwii: thanks, I didn't do very much, you should thank andreasn for the effort who did a lot of icons and hyped the event in every possible way, yay andreasn! :-)
[11:52] <andreasn> well, I just blogged about it a bit
[11:52] <kwwii> andreasn: they really are a big improvement on the stock icons :-)
[11:53] <kwwii> we're putting them in feisty :-)
[11:53] <andreasn> oh
[11:53] <andreasn> cool
[11:53] <kwwii> very nice indeed :-)
[11:53] <lapo> kwwii: I was talking with dholach and seb about shipping them
[11:53] <kwwii> lapo: yeah, he pinged me about it
[11:53] <lapo> kwwii: the best approach imho is to have the icons shipped in hicolor
[11:53] <lapo> what do you think about it?
[11:53] <kwwii> lapo: exactly what we are doing
[11:53] <lapo> cool
[11:54] <lapo> tango-common then?
[11:54] <andreasn> hopefully they can go into gtk+ upstream so that people on windows and osx can enjoy them, ported apps often look like total crap on those platforms right now
[11:54] <lapo> I think either tango-common or ubuntu-artwork will do the trick
[11:54] <kwwii> andreasn: yes, definitely :-)
[11:55] <kwwii> lapo: I am guessing ubuntu-artwork
[11:55] <lapo> andreasn: yeah, but I'd like to have them shipped before the flamewar..erhm discussion on gtk+ list ends positivelly :-)
[11:55] <lapo> kwwii: ok
[11:55] <kwwii> lapo: erm, tango-common, I meant
[11:56] <kwwii> my brain is not in sync with my fingers today
[11:56] <lapo> eheh, kwwii, well it's always like that for me :-)
[11:57] <andreasn> lapo: I'm not sure if there really was a big flamewar, it was mostly one dude saying "hey, what's this stuff, don't we break something now?!" and someone else saying "I kind of like the current ones because they are kind of cute, or whatever"
[11:57] <andreasn> and the rest of the devs didn't say anything at all, as usual :)
[11:58] <kwwii> sounds like artwork fud to me
[12:00] <lapo> andreasn: yeah
[12:01] <lapo> andreasn: the same "don't brake old" stuff argument
[12:02] <andreasn> we made sure we're only used the same metaphors, so it don't "break" apps that misuses the stock icons
[12:02] <andreasn> so it shouldn't really be any trouble
[12:02] <andreasn> time will tell
[01:29] <kwwii_> re
[06:22] <bersace> troy_s: hi bro
[06:22] <bersace> i send you update icons for ubuntu-art team branding at lp
[06:23] <bersace> troy_s: could also update chan topic ?
[06:31] <kwwii> bersace: what should the topic be?
[06:31] <bersace> kwwii: "Ubuntu gets it right"
[06:32] <bersace> ;)
[06:32] <bersace> well, i have a bug for people using fingerprint reader
[06:32] <bersace> :D
[06:32] <kwwii> ;-)
[06:33] <kwwii> bersace: does the fingerprint reader work in linux now?
[06:33] <kwwii> the only reason I boot windows is to impress my friends
[06:33] <bersace> at least thinkpad and thinkpad based laptop
[06:33] <kwwii> killer :-)
[06:33] <bersace> lol
[06:33] <kwwii> can you point me to a package or such?
[06:35] <bersace> kwwii: you could add http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/HumanList?content=54505 to topic
[06:35] <bersace> kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinkFinger
[06:36] <kwwii> sure :-)
[06:36] <bersace> the bug is that "Password or swipe your finger" is show instead of Password:"
[06:36] <bersace> user only see "Password or s"
[06:36] <bersace> then the entry is displayed :x
[06:36] <bersace> i wonder how to try that
[06:37] <bersace> i may just commit fixes and ask ploum to test my bzr branch
[06:37] <bersace> how can i merge my branch and your ?
[06:37] <bersace> i mean, getting back your changes in my branch
[06:38] <kwwii> hehe, and it doesn't work with kde at all
[06:38] <kwwii> bersace: good question about merging...I'll try to figure that out
[06:42] <bersace> my branch is not a fork ;)
[06:43] <kwwii> I think you enter your local branch and then "bzr merge url-from-the-branch-to-merge"
[06:43] <kwwii> depending on how far apart they are, you might have to manually add things
[06:46] <bersace> ok
[06:50] <kwwii> the thinkfinger stuff would be best with the list theme, as then one would not have to type in the user name
[06:51] <kwwii> if I didn't need to use kde anymore I would try it :-)
[06:52] <kwwii> time for dinner, bbl
[07:10] <bersace> have to go, see you later
[10:40] <lapo> re
[10:41] <kwwii> lapo: why is the svg of the applications-graphics icon different from the png version in tangerine?
[10:42] <lapo> kwwii: I'm not on a feisty machine, can you post a screenshot?
[10:42] <kwwii> lapo: I was just looking through the package itself (the svg has a paint tube in it, the png does not)
[10:43] <kwwii> although perhaps you have already changed that
[10:43] <lapo> lemme check
[10:44] <lapo> it's probably my fault, I added all the "sources" laying around my discs back to the repository, so it's possible I got the wrong file in
[10:44] <lapo> kwwii: which size are you referring though?
[10:44] <kwwii> I've removed that icon from the Human theme so that it defaults back to the tangerine theme
[10:45] <kwwii> 24x24
[10:45] <kwwii> for the icons that are shown in the Applications menu
[10:45] <lapo> kwwii: I see no tube there
[10:45] <lapo> it's only a brush here
[10:45] <kwwii> in both the png and the svg?
[10:45] <lapo> yep
[10:45] <kwwii> hrm, then I must have an old version
[10:46] <kwwii> the svg in my system has a tube in it (looks pretty nice too)
[10:46] <lapo> I think it has always been like that though
[10:46] <kwwii> I like it a bit better than the brush alone
[10:46] <lapo> you are probably getting the 48x48 icon scaled down then
[10:46] <lapo> or the 32x32 one
[10:47] <kwwii> no, the 24x24 pixmap dir has one with only a brush and the scalable dir has one with brush and tube
[10:47] <lapo> so why are you getting the tube? :-)
[10:47] <lapo> while the 22x22 is a brush
[10:48] <kwwii> I am not seeing the tube being used, but I want to see it :-)
[10:48] <kwwii> I was thinking about rendering the svg to pngs so that it is used :-)
[10:50] <lapo> kwwii: naaah, you should scale it down nicelly
[10:51] <kwwii> the svg I found seems to be made at 48x48
[10:51] <lapo> yep, as all the svg we have in scalable
[10:51] <lapo> scalable as the dir
[10:52] <kwwii> ahaaa, didn't know that
[10:52] <kwwii> I have so much to learn about gnome icons :-)
[10:52] <lapo> s/gnome/tango/ eventually :-)
[10:52] <kwwii> yepp
[10:53] <kwwii> we put the new icons in tango-common for feisty, btw
[10:53] <andreasn> the gtk ones?
[10:53] <kwwii> they look *so* much better than the old ones
[10:53] <kwwii> yepp
[10:53] <lapo> kwwii: I'm putting them in tangerine, seems better
[10:53] <lapo> kwwii: I think I have something buildable even
[10:54] <andreasn> yeah, they seems popular, wonder who to bug to get them into gtk upstream
[10:55] <lapo> andreasn: I think jimmac written a new mail to the gtk list
[10:56] <lapo> kwwii: if you feel like trying tangerine with new gtk stock: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~calamandrei/tangerine-icon-theme/ubuntu/
[10:56] <andreasn> lapo: ah, just found it
[10:56] <lapo> ehm well, in a minute, It's still uploading
[10:56] <kwwii> lapo: cool...although feisty will use them without having to put them in tangerine
[10:57] <lapo> andreasn: since you're at it, have you got a link? :-)
[10:57] <kwwii> might be better to keep them seperated for the future
[10:57] <andreasn> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-April/msg00011.html
[10:57] <kwwii> I feel sorry for jimmac having to convince devs to use those beautifull icons
[10:57] <lapo> kwwii: speaking with dholbach we concluded it would be better to have them in tangerine then in hicolor
[10:58] <lapo> andreasn: thanks
[10:58] <kwwii> lapo: that sounds like more work in the future though
[10:58] <lapo> kwwii: naah, it's pretty easy all the icons are named gtk-*
[10:58] <kwwii> be sure to keep a list so that when they are included in gtk we don't ship icons twice
[10:59] <kwwii> ahaaa, cool
[10:59] <lapo> see above :-)
[11:00] <lapo> andreasn: eheh, jimmac didn't used the @novell address :-)
[11:00] <kwwii> lol, probably better that way (less politics)
[11:01] <lapo> yeah, really too much politics involved latelly
[11:01] <kwwii> oh, I think it has been that way for a long time
[11:02] <andreasn> kwwii: how's the fiesty release looking, getting all the stuff ready in time?
[11:02] <kwwii> the funniest thing is that the exact opposite situation is going on in kde
[11:02] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, looking pretty good
[11:02] <andreasn> cool
[11:02] <kwwii> although I am spending days on end trying to sort out icons
[11:02] <lapo> kwwii: the cool part of doing something else then working for <insert a linux firm here> is that you can fsck up about the politics part :-)
[11:02] <kwwii> I mean, I only had 2.5 months to do all the art for edubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu, so it is still somewhat rushed
[11:02] <lapo> and being an ass with everybody eventually :-)
[11:03] <kwwii> lapo: very true
[11:03] <kwwii> feisty+1 should be much better because of the time factor
[11:04] <kwwii> andreasn: who is taking care of the icon-naming tools?
[11:04] <lapo> dobey
[11:04] <andreasn> dobey I think
[11:04] <kwwii> andreasn: dholbach has changed some of that in the ubuntu version and I am going to take it over
[11:04] <kwwii> so I wanted to talk to upstream about our changes
[11:04] <andreasn> ah, ok
[11:04] <andreasn> cool
[11:04] <kwwii> great, dobey and I get along *really* well
[11:04] <kwwii> :p
[11:04] <andreasn> hrm
[11:04] <andreasn> not hard to figure ;)
[11:05] <kwwii> now I know why daniel wanted to hand it over to me
[11:05] <lapo> kwwii: cool, I just need some missing mappings, can you help me then?
[11:05] <lapo> eheh
[11:05] <kwwii> lapo: well, I can try...but I am not to good at python yet
[11:06] <kwwii> lapo: in any case, I can make sure that it gets done with daniels help :-)
[11:06] <lapo> eheh
[11:06] <kwwii> beware that thursday is release freeze
[11:06] <lapo> kwwii: anyway IIRC it should be some xml files hacking
[11:06] <kwwii> lapo: that should be doable :-)
[11:07] <lapo> it's just something like 6 entries
[11:07] <lapo> can I paste them here, mail or what?
[11:07] <kwwii> mail would be best...kinda late here (and stargate is running in the background)
[11:07] <kwwii> kwwii at ubuntu dot com
[11:08] <lapo> cool
[11:08] <lapo> thanks a lot
[11:08] <kwwii> I should be thanking you :-)
[11:09] <lapo> sent
[11:10] <lapo> yo bersace
[11:10] <bersace> lapo: yep
[11:10] <lapo> how is your scanner magic going?
[11:10] <bersace> :)
[11:10] <bersace> nice
[11:10] <kwwii> lapo: mail received...I'll add that tomorrow
[11:10] <lapo> kwwii: thanks
[11:11] <bersace> i migrate homepage to gnome.org :  http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-scan/index
[11:11] <lapo> bersace: cool, have you seen the device naming spec extension?
[11:11] <kwwii> lapo: np
[11:11] <bersace> also, gnome-scan now use gnome svn
[11:11] <lapo> nice
[11:11] <bersace> lapo: nop, but i launch discussion between HAL and SANe
[11:11] <bersace> i also ask some API publication from Gegl in order to implement post processing on top o Gegl
[11:12] <lapo> cool
[11:12] <bersace> http://www.gegl.org/
[11:12] <bersace> i rewrote gnome-scan
[11:12] <lapo> so I can push scanner buttons?
[11:12] <bersace> it's now full threaded :D
[11:12] <bersace> and dynamically builded UI
[11:12] <lapo> for your quad processor pleasure :-)
[11:12] <bersace> lapo: not yet, this is part of the SANE/HAL stuff
[11:12] <andreasn> gnome scan seems really nice
[11:12] <bersace> however, gnome-scan 0.5 is designed to handle hotplug
[11:13] <kwwii> bersace: that looks like an awesome idea
[11:13] <lapo> bersace: make it use device icon naming ext and you almost done then :-)
[11:13] <bersace> i already wrote documentation
[11:13] <bersace> and an automated widget screenshot generator
[11:13] <lapo> sounds really cool
[11:14] <bersace> the scrot util : http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=441229158&size=o
[11:14] <bersace> results : http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-scan/trunk/doc/ref/images/
[11:14] <bersace> there is ton of work to be done
[11:14] <bersace> especially in the processing part
[11:15] <bersace> i wrote a plugin system (very easy using GLib)
[11:15] <bersace> but i might just use Gegl one
[11:15] <bersace> this will avoid code duplication
[11:15] <bersace> but i have to ensure their plugin system is adapted for gnome-csan
[11:15] <lapo> cool
[11:15] <bersace> for example, i do OCR, deskew, not only rotation and dropdown shadow
[11:16] <bersace> note that the utility use Gelg to add dropdown shadow ;)
[11:16] <bersace> also, the nice black border around GSParamSpec*.png are added using Gegl
[11:16] <bersace> http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-scan/trunk/doc/ref/images/GSParamSpecOutputFilename.png?revision=253&view=markup
[11:16] <lapo> nice, I need to buy a scanner once again :-)
[11:16] <bersace> http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-scan/trunk/doc/ref/images/GSParamSpecFilenames.png?revision=253&view=markup
[11:16] <bersace> lol
[11:16] <bersace> that's an idea
[11:16] <bersace> if i work hard enough, i can get it in Gnome 2.20
[11:16] <bersace> however, i highly depend on Gegl
[11:17] <lapo> I'm looking forward for it
[11:17] <bersace> gnome-scan SVN already implement basic acquisition from files
[11:17] <bersace> (yes, i have a "scan from files" backend)
[11:17] <lapo> it is really one of the missing bits from the gnome platform
[11:17] <bersace> ack
[11:17] <lapo> sane ui is the house of horror
[11:17] <bersace> xsane is really powerfull, but very ugly for user
[11:18] <bersace> dare writing an abiword plugin using xsane !
[11:18] <lapo> yeah, try to explain you girlfriend how to scan something and you'l see :-)
[11:18] <bersace> yeh, my primary motivation was to let my mother do its scan by herself
[11:18] <bersace> for now, i'm bound to do it myself for her ;)
[11:18] <lapo> eheh
[11:19] <kwwii> that is true motivation
[11:19] <lapo> did you started from google soc?
[11:21] <lapo> kwwii: what do you have in mind for feisty+1?
[11:21] <kwwii> lapo: absolutely no idea yet...I'll start the planning sometime soon
[11:22] <lapo> cool
[11:22] <kwwii> ie as soon as feisty is done :-)
[11:22] <lapo> kwwii: kill the splashes where possible! :-)
[11:22] <kwwii> yeah, they are a remnant from the days when apps took forever to start
[11:23] <kwwii> and the desktop splash is simply silly in the meantime
[11:23] <lapo> yeah
[11:23] <kwwii> when making the feisty version the biggest problem was that I only see it for like a microsecond - kinda hard to test
[11:23] <lapo> eheh
[11:24] <lapo> make it burn slowly then! :-)
[11:25] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:26] <lapo> kwwii: some kind of unification in the look of the various buntus would be nice
[11:27] <lapo> kwwii: I mean same or similar style for bootsplashes, logos and *dm screens
[11:27] <lapo> wallpapers eventually
[11:28] <kwwii> lapo: yeah, that is one reason I tried to make the kubuntu/edubuntu/ubuntu usplash similar this time aroudn
[11:29] <kwwii> but many people think that this is a bad idea (sabdfl for one)
[11:29] <lapo> there's the need of something in common to make evident that all the buntus are sons of the same mother
[11:30] <kwwii> I agree completely
[11:31] <kwwii> one interesting factor that comes into play is that for kde, kubuntu has become somewhat of a reference distro
[11:31] <lapo> that's cool
[11:32] <kwwii> well, time for me to get some sleep - tomorrow will be another long day
[11:32] <andreasn> night!
[11:32] <lapo> I still hope in an icon unification between the g and k worlds
[11:32] <lapo> nite nite
[11:32] <kwwii> see you soon, I hope
[11:33] <kwwii> I'll let you know once I've added those mappings so you can test it
[11:33] <lapo> cool, thanks
[11:33] <kwwii> glad I can help :-)
[11:33] <kwwii> night all
[11:34] <bersace> good night