| crimsun | shawarma: well, the first point is rather moot, so we're really discussing the second...? | 12:11 |
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| shawarma | crimsun: Why is the first point moot? | 12:12 |
| === shawarma may not entirely understand what "moot" means.. | ||
| lupine_85 | "moot" ~= "a given" | 12:12 |
| crimsun | shawarma: it's not the present interface that matters but the fact that there's no midi available by default | 12:13 |
| shawarma | lupine_85: Thanks. | 12:13 |
| crimsun | I believe a few bug reports are open that lament missing midi functionality OOTB | 12:13 |
| jdong | lupine_85: more like "No longer relevant/needing arguing." | 12:14 |
| jdong | or maybe I suck at assuming what moot means too :D | 12:14 |
| crimsun | (jdong has the gist of it) | 12:14 |
| lupine_85 | if you want to get technical, it's a gathering where people agree on things | 12:14 |
| lupine_85 | ;) | 12:14 |
| jdong | lupine_85: or the USA law term meaning circumstances changed to the point where it is no longer actionable to contest a point :) | 12:15 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Ok. Well, yes, I suppose we're discussing the second point, then. | 12:15 |
| jdong | but anyway, this is all... err.. moot. | 12:15 |
| lupine_85 | :) | 12:15 |
| jdong | :) | 12:15 |
| crimsun | shawarma: so something for which it's worth creating a Feisty+1 spec would be providing midi functionality OOTB | 12:16 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Right. | 12:16 |
| crimsun | we load snd-seq by default as of Feisty anyhow, so simply having timidity seeded in desktop would resolve much of it | 12:16 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Yes, whether it's using timidity is secondary. | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | darn, I need to keep remembering it's April 1st | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | I almost had a heart attack reading about Martin Krafft getting kicked out of Debian ;-) | 12:17 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Precisely... That's why I'm wondering why it's not done already. | 12:17 |
| crimsun | shawarma: likely lack of resources | 12:18 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Possibly. I just expected a technical reason, but couldn't imagine what it'd be. | 12:19 |
| shawarma | crimsun: And since your the sound guru.. | 12:19 |
| crimsun | nope, the closest thing to a technical "reason" would be bug 34831 | 12:20 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 34831 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Hardlock of entire system (Dapper Flight 5)" [High,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34831 | 12:20 |
| crimsun | that's precisely the reason I used the sledgehammer approach in alsa-driver (as of 1.0.13-1ubuntu1) | 12:20 |
| crimsun | one of the things on my plate for Feisty+1 is scrapping the entire asound.state saving/restoring, as the mixer interface is far too volatile (thanks, HDA!) to be useful | 12:21 |
| shawarma | I see. | 12:22 |
| crimsun | (yes, I have much _love_ for HDA.) | 12:22 |
| crimsun | in any case, if you want to file an MIR for timidity, feel free :) | 12:23 |
| DktrKranz | LaserJock, we discovered something about yesterday's php issue | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | DktrKranz: yes? | 12:30 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, shawarma: Isn't timidity pretty useless without a soundfont? The size of those isn't insignificant. | 12:31 |
| shawarma | crimsun: Nah, I try to stay away from anything that has to do with sound. | 12:31 |
| DktrKranz | well, php-interbase and friends depends on a package in universe | 12:31 |
| shawarma | Fujitsu: freepaths is about 10 MB, I think. | 12:31 |
| shawarma | Fujitsu: freepats. | 12:31 |
| crimsun | shawarma: aww. | 12:31 |
| Fujitsu | 30MiB. | 12:31 |
| shawarma | Really? Shit. | 12:31 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 12:32 |
| DktrKranz | so they were dropped accordingly | 12:32 |
| DktrKranz | it's the correct behaviour | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | bah, we have plenty of room on the CD;-) | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | DktrKranz: what do you mean? | 12:32 |
| crimsun | bah, just because edubuntu now has _2_ cds... ;-) | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 12:32 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Damn you and your second CD. | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | we only put 200MB on it | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | I've got another 500MB to play with ;-) | 12:33 |
| crimsun | hey, another openoffice.org instance might fit... | 12:33 |
| Fujitsu | Hopefully we'll have maxima and co. on there next time. | 12:33 |
| DktrKranz | php-interbase could not be included into php5 (in main) because of a universe dependency | 12:33 |
| === Fujitsu hits crimsun hard. | ||
| LaserJock | DktrKranz: right, but it shouldn't have just been dropped | 12:34 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: What other choice was there? | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | make a package for it | 12:34 |
| Fujitsu | We have a few other similar situations. | 12:34 |
| DktrKranz | they had to be packaged as stand-alone packages | 12:34 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: That requires a universe-based php5 as well... | 12:34 |
| Fujitsu | Or does it not need all of php5 to build? | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | no it doesn't | 12:34 |
| DktrKranz | anyway, there was some doubt about this procedure | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | well, it is tricky | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | but we shouldn't just abandon packages because they dep on Universe :( | 12:35 |
| DktrKranz | of course | 12:35 |
| DktrKranz | the main discussion was how to handle them | 12:35 |
| DktrKranz | since debian ships them in php5 | 12:36 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: As I said, there are other cases of this... it'd be nice to fix that, though. | 12:36 |
| DktrKranz | we have some options | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | where was this discussed? | 12:36 |
| Fujitsu | The same with AAC support and stuff. | 12:36 |
| DktrKranz | here, this afternoon | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | ok, but it was dropped a while ago, right? | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | there should have been some discussion on ubuntu-devel or something | 12:37 |
| DktrKranz | it was dropped during autosync of php5 in october | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | it's annoying to loose packages that are depended on without any discussion | 12:38 |
| DktrKranz | (or when it happened, i didn't remind the exact date) | 12:38 |
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| LaserJock | although I guess at the time the deps were php4 | 12:38 |
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| DktrKranz | you guess right | 12:38 |
| DktrKranz | StevenK proposed to include them in a "php5-universe" package | 12:39 |
| DktrKranz | but this way we should monitor php5 updates | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | We really should be notified when archive people do that. | 12:40 |
| DktrKranz | and workload is quite high | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | We already have a couple with universe/multiverse clones, like gtkpod. | 12:41 |
| DktrKranz | so there isn't an immediate solution | 12:41 |
| DktrKranz | nor a bitesize one | 12:41 |
| DktrKranz | we could see if it is possible to promote firebird2 | 12:43 |
| DktrKranz | but it requires time | 12:43 |
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| geser | DktrKranz: promoting firebird2 would solve it for php-interbase but not for the other php modules (php-imap, php-mcrypt) | 01:04 |
| DktrKranz | that's right, checked | 01:06 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Ok thanks for the update. | 01:10 |
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| DktrKranz | good night :) | 01:27 |
| === bddebian learns that playing Jedi Academy with a 7 year old is pointless :-) | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: they beat you constantly? | 01:29 |
| bddebian | Heh | 01:29 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Hey, you should be happy. You are about to get rid of me. :-) | 01:30 |
| ajmitch | oh are we? | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | silly me, I thought you wanted your team membership renewed | 01:36 |
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| LaserJock | darn Windows, I boot into XP to do taxes and it messes up the clock | 02:05 |
| joejaxx | :\ | 02:11 |
| zul | teaches you a lesson to not to use xp | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if the tax software would work in Wine | 02:12 |
| jmg | 1.25, 1.41, 1.43 | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | it's stupid though, XP couldn't figure out daylight savings time | 02:13 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: It needs a patch | 02:32 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to renew it | 02:32 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: reply and say "please, pretty please, with a cherry on top!" | 02:40 |
| RAOF | Hi LaserJock :) | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | hi | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | brb, gotta reboot Windows for a sec for my wifes recipie program ;-) | 02:41 |
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| Burgundavia | LaserJock: you need to get her using gourmet | 02:48 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I would have assumed some type of knowing whether I was wanted back or not I guess. Though sistpoty kind of did that I guess. | 02:48 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: it's more if you want to be renewed | 02:53 |
| LaserJock | at least that was my understanding | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you renew it by the TB giving you a big tick | 02:56 |
| ajmitch | hello Burgundavia | 02:56 |
| Burgundavia | hey ajmitch | 02:57 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: But what is the "process"? | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: well, it's a specific program on CD called "Million Recipies", not ones that she's put in | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: sit back & relax, you've seen the MC thread | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | I *think* I installed it in Wine but it doesn't find the CD (it needs the CD) | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | alrighty then | 03:04 |
| === bddebian hopes his "building" machine hasn't finally died for good | ||
| joejaxx | :( | 03:07 |
| poningru | uhoh | 03:07 |
| poningru | then we're all in trouble | 03:07 |
| === poningru hooksup his amd64 to the intarwebs as an offering | ||
| === ajmitch was thinking of what he should put in a new box | ||
| === joejaxx gets bddebian a backup abacus | ||
| bddebian | w00t | 03:08 |
| bddebian | :) | 03:08 |
| joejaxx | :) | 03:08 |
| joejaxx | abacus ftw :) | 03:08 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | i have finally found out another difference between vmware workstation and server | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | server does not have video capture capabilites | 03:09 |
| jdong | joejaxx: also multiple snapshot abilities | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | mmm, quad core chip... | 03:09 |
| poningru | joejaxx: also kernel utils | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | hmm i might have to switch back to workstation for this one | 03:10 |
| joejaxx | hmm | 03:15 |
| === joejaxx thinks | ||
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| bddebian | woo hoo she lives | 03:20 |
| joejaxx | :) | 03:21 |
| ajmitch | that's useful | 03:22 |
| === ajmitch wonders if the w2k3 server upstairs is alive yet | ||
| joejaxx | ajmitch: what version? | 03:22 |
| joejaxx | web, standard, enterprise, datacenter, storage? | 03:23 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| ajmitch | it's not exactly relevant | 03:23 |
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| zul | happy joy joy.. | 03:38 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | i seem to remember the way to ask for package inclusion changed recently. can someone point me where i need to look for details? | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | Kamping_Kaiser: ubuntu-motu ML | 06:21 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | Hobbsee, thanks :| i'll hope its in the archives :| | 06:22 |
| TheMuso | Heya Hobbsee. | 06:26 |
| TheMuso | How goes uni? | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso. it goes, with lots of assignments | 06:27 |
| TheMuso | Don't remind me. :) | 06:27 |
| TheMuso | My uni days are still very fresh in my mind. | 06:28 |
| === RAOF is marking first year test :) | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:28 |
| ajmitch | hi australians | 06:28 |
| TheMuso | Fun. | 06:28 |
| TheMuso | Hey ajmitch. | 06:28 |
| RAOF | Hey ajmitch. | 06:28 |
| === Jucato waves to Hobbsee and RAOF and ajmitch and etc etc etc :) | ||
| Hobbsee | hiya Jucato | 06:31 |
| Jucato | RAOF: if you recalled my RAM problem in #ubuntu+1 yesterday, yeah it was a loose chip :/ | 06:32 |
| === Jucato now operating on full 1GB RAM again | ||
| RAOF | :) | 06:32 |
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| crimsun | 03 - Upside Down.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 24.0 tag, MP3 encoding | 06:35 |
| crimsun | that's an interesting ID3 version | 06:35 |
| TheMuso | heh | 06:35 |
| === crimsun looks at Debian 412513 | ||
| ubotu | Debian bug 412513 in file "file: Typo in description of MP3 with ID3 v2.3 tag" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/412513 | 06:35 |
| === TheMuso marvels at how good cdparanoia is. | ||
| TheMuso | Even with tracks it says some bits have uncorrected errors/skips. | 06:36 |
| TheMuso | Yet the track sounds perfect. | 06:36 |
| RAOF | Sandpapering your CD collection? | 06:36 |
| TheMuso | Must be a good drive as well. | 06:36 |
| RAOF | Probably. I like cdparanoia too :) | 06:37 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: No, a CD I lent to someone and it wasn't treated very well. | 06:37 |
| RAOF | >:( | 06:37 |
| TheMuso | Actually, I didn't lend, someone else did without asking :S | 06:37 |
| === RAOF wrote the patch to Banshee that allows you to use paranoia mode on import. | ||
| TheMuso | Cool. | 06:37 |
| === TheMuso uses, and loves, abcde!! | ||
| RAOF | Sadly I don't know a smily more angry than ">:(" | 06:37 |
| crimsun | just use a pointy stick of doom | 06:38 |
| TheMuso | hahaha | 06:38 |
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| don_j | hey hey | 06:40 |
| === Hobbsee DOOMS crimsun | ||
| don_j | I'm trying to make a deb package but it aint workin' as expected | 06:40 |
| crimsun | sorry, I've got a magic pony | 06:40 |
| === ajmitch watches launchpad disappear | ||
| === RAOF wishes he had a magic mind-reading pony. | ||
| === don_j nods | ||
| don_j | any package maintainers on the line? | 06:42 |
| TheMuso | Yeah there are many of us here. :) | 06:43 |
| don_j | cool | 06:43 |
| TheMuso | don_j: What exactly is the problem? | 06:43 |
| don_j | I can compile it the 'normal' way (./configure && make && make install) but when I invoke dpkg-buildpackage strange things seems to happen | 06:43 |
| TheMuso | don_j: Things? What things? Please give some more information. | 06:44 |
| don_j | its a fresh version of gstreamer | 06:44 |
| don_j | I'm tryin' to get the new totem erected | 06:45 |
| TheMuso | don_j: Please patebin any errors you are getting and I can then try to help you further. | 06:46 |
| TheMuso | pastebin even | 06:46 |
| don_j | some fresh version of GTK and glib is missing too | 06:47 |
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| don_j | and I'm all new to this dpkg system so I thought you might wanted to do all the hard work | 06:49 |
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| don_j | make[5] : *** [libgstspider.la] Error 1 | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | that misses the actual error | 06:50 |
| don_j | should I grep the errors or how do I do it? | 06:50 |
| don_j | libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../..//libxml2.la' seems to be moved | 06:51 |
| === Hobbsee wonders why we'd want to do all the hard work for someone else, instead of point them in the right directino. | ||
| don_j | Hobbsee: because it's to get a nicer ubuntu image instead of that buggy ol' totem version | 06:53 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: well since LP is down for maint, we likely have nothing to do | 06:53 |
| don_j | undefined reference to `g_type_ class_ref' | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: thought you were subscribed to bug lists | 06:54 |
| TheMuso | don_j: Did you use the original packaging data from the version of totem in Ubuntu? | 06:54 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: pfft, subscribing to bug lists is for deities!? | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | yes. :P | 06:55 |
| don_j | not really; I'm runnin' the buildpackage too in a the source directory though | 06:55 |
| don_j | err. not really; I'm runnin' the buildpackage toot in the original source directory though | 06:56 |
| don_j | tool damnit | 06:57 |
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| RAOF | don_j: Rather than playing 20 questions with you, why don't you try to summarize: (1) What you're trying to do, (2) how you are going about it, (3) pastebin the entire build-log, and optionally (4) why you're doing it in the first place :) | 06:58 |
| don_j | RAOF: cant you explain how to do it instead? | 06:59 |
| don_j | #1 I'm trying to update gstreamer | 06:59 |
| Hobbsee | don_j: that's documented in the packaging guide, for the most part. | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | don_j: to explain everything about packaging, when a lot of it's documented anyway, is not terribly sensible w.r.t resource use | 07:00 |
| don_j | #2 I fetched the gstreamer-0.8.11.tar.gz from ftp.gnome.org | 07:01 |
| RAOF | Old school :) | 07:01 |
| don_j | RAOF: yeah | 07:02 |
| === RAOF doesn't understand why don_j is trying to build totem against an old gstreamer. | ||
| don_j | what log-file? | 07:02 |
| RAOF | don_j: Not a log file, the entire terminal output that occurs when you dpkg-buildpackage your package. | 07:03 |
| RAOF | However, Hobbsee has a better idea: | 07:03 |
| RAOF | You've read the packaging guide, right? | 07:03 |
| don_j | ./configure GST_LIBS=/usr/local/include/gstreamer-0.8/ GST_CFLAGS=/usr/local/include/gstreamer-0.8/gst/ | 07:03 |
| RAOF | Nooo! I didn't mean "paste here" I meant "pastebin"! | 07:04 |
| don_j | Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.12.0' but version of GLib is 2.10.3 | 07:04 |
| don_j | but that was the ./configure totem step to show some perspective | 07:04 |
| RAOF | don_j: Isolated snippets don't really give any useful information. | 07:04 |
| RAOF | !packagingguide | don_j | 07:04 |
| ubotu | don_j: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports | 07:04 |
| RAOF | You *have* read that, right? | 07:05 |
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| Hobbsee | don_j: so you're building on an old release of gnome, giving us no real useful information, and expect us to hold your hand for every single step? I think you're dreaming... | 07:05 |
| don_j | I've alread looked into all that but I still cant get into a deb package | 07:05 |
| Hobbsee | there's lots of stuff MOTU's already doing. | 07:05 |
| === Hobbsee thought a prerequisite of building packages and such was to be willing to look for information, and work things through yourself, rather than expect hand-holding for each step. | ||
| don_j | RAOF: what's the new version of gstreamer then? | 07:06 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: may I quote you on that? :) | 07:06 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: sure. | 07:07 |
| Jucato | :D | 07:07 |
| don_j | Hobbsee: It;s for your own best man | 07:07 |
| don_j | Hobbsee: I could just skip all the debianization steps | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | don_j: how? | 07:07 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: j/k... but I'll be mentioning it in my blog :) | 07:07 |
| === Jucato bows down to the lady with the long pointy stick of doom :) | ||
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: not a bad idea, actually. for an explanation on how to start doing MOTU-type stuff, and what you need | 07:08 |
| don_j | Hobbsee: by not using that dpkg-buildpackage too | 07:08 |
| don_j | tool | 07:08 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: that's what I'm planning to do with my MOTU series of blog posts :) | 07:08 |
| RAOF | don_j: It might be worthwhile testing out that supposition. You'll get the same errors trying to configure that manually, too. Unless you can build the source normally, you can't expect dpkg-buildpackage to magically fix things. | 07:09 |
| don_j | RAOF: It works when I build it manually | 07:10 |
| don_j | at least totem doesnt complain after I build gst manually | 07:10 |
| Hobbsee | but it doesnt when you use debian packaging, for some unknown reason, which you dont think is important enough to tell us, only the stuff around it. yay. | 07:11 |
| don_j | Hobbsee: What log file? | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | don_j: the build log | 07:11 |
| RAOF | Also, I don't see how this will help Ubuntu. Gstreamer0.8 hasn't been used in Ubuntu since Dapper (or was it Breezy?) | 07:11 |
| don_j | should I just pipe the output to a file? | 07:12 |
| don_j | RAOF: Whats the new version then? | 07:12 |
| RAOF | 0.10 | 07:12 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | the email https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001480.html asks to set to wishlist on 'needs packaging' bugs, but afaik most people cant - i know i cant. if theres another public location for that (say the wiki) could it be updated? | 07:14 |
| don_j | gstreamer-0.10.8.tar.gz then | 07:15 |
| Hobbsee | Kamping_Kaiser: i'd presume that one would just omit that instruction, and do the rest. | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | (non-motu and people not in -qa cant) | 07:16 |
| === Hobbsee wonders where (if) that's on the wiki | ||
| Kamping_Kaiser | Hobbsee, i did, but non motus will be wanting to request packages, and the instructions will 'fail' for all of them. a simple 'note this can only be done by motus' would be fine | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | Kamping_Kaiser: indeed. | 07:17 |
| RAOF | Oooh, launchpad's out of beta. Cool! | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | Kamping_Kaiser: seeing as it's a ML, it'd have to be copied to a wiki, seeing as most people wouldtn likely find the second message | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | RAOF: ? | 07:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Hobbsee, i'm inclined to agree ;), but i didnt see it under MOTU/ | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: the new interface | 07:19 |
| RAOF | LaserJock: Head over to launchpad.net. For me, everything now uses the beta interface, and I no longer have to strip "beta." from in front of all the links :) | 07:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | those little menu things take their time loading though, thtas going to drive me insane | 07:19 |
| TheMuso | I hope they did the right thing by turning it on for everybody. | 07:19 |
| Jucato | ooooh shiny new launchpad | 07:20 |
| Jucato | roflmao!!! help.launchpad.net is... :D | 07:21 |
| crimsun | holy hackergotchi stretch, batman | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | Jucato: hm? | 07:22 |
| Jucato | roflmao :) | 07:22 |
| ajmitch | Jucato: I don't see the humour | 07:22 |
| Jucato | ajmitch: nothing I didn't realize it was an unthemed moinmoin :) | 07:22 |
| Jucato | (the roflmao was for the hackergotchi) | 07:23 |
| Jucato | (the 2nd one) | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | hi imbrandon | 07:23 |
| Jucato | moin imbrandon | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: nicely stretched | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | I put my old hackergotchi back up | 07:24 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol. your right, there is some stretch happening | 07:24 |
| === Jucato just only saw help.LP.net today... and didn't know why it was that way.. | ||
| imbrandon | i've had the same one forever | 07:25 |
| Jucato | hm... fancy help side panel... | 07:25 |
| === Jucato wonders how they made that... | ||
| TheMuso | hackergotchis.... pfft | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: some people appreciate them, I dunno | 07:26 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Jucato, the one taht says "Sorry, help isnt available for this page."? :P | 07:26 |
| Jucato | Kamping_Kaiser: for which page? | 07:26 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Jucato, faq :P | 07:27 |
| === Jucato is actually more interested in the implementation of the side tab/panel thingy :) | ||
| Jucato | ah heh :) | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | whoops fujitsu's python majic dosent like the beta interface :) | 07:27 |
| === imbrandon pokes it a bit | ||
| LaserJock | heh, this is funny to see people seeing Beta for the first time | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, hehe yea | 07:29 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. no help on homepages either :/ | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | when did they roll out? i dident notice since i've had it for a while now | 07:29 |
| crimsun | about 30 mins ago, if you meant beta.LP going public | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, yup | 07:29 |
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| LaserJock | man, I bet my LP bug mailboxes are going to get pretty busy :-) | 07:36 |
| === Jucato waves to LaserJock too | ||
| Jucato | pretty LP :) | 07:37 |
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| LaserJock | well, this should mean some things I've been wanting to land have finally made it | 07:37 |
| Jucato | or in this case, to "launch" :) | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | tag preloading and search by bug contact should be in now | 07:38 |
| crimsun | yanno, if I could see, in ~/+bugs , those subscribed/assigned bugs for which teams I'm also in, I could just killfile all these LP emails | 07:39 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yay! | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | well, I did get ~/+bugs to show both assigned and subscribed bugs | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | hmm, it would have been good if they could have automatically scaled the hackergotchis | 07:47 |
| don_j | Finally it workd :) | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | ugh screenscaping sucks | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: no kidding, what do you need? | 07:49 |
| === ajmitch hasn't bothered with hackergotchis | ||
| ajmitch | since there are no decent photos of me | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | I took one with the iSight thingy on my iMac at work | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | that's all I could come up with | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i'm trying to adapt the users script that Fujitsu made for the c-b-n | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | and for some reason its only returning 2 users ;) | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | c-b-n? | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | community build network | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | ah | 07:52 |
| don_j | now I got a conflict trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gst-xmllaunch-0.10', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-tools | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | after i fix this , since beta is rolled out i'll poke the LP guys to get a real xml-rpc interface | 07:52 |
| === ajmitch hopes that bugs with lvm snapshots are solved soon in feisty | ||
| ajmitch | so that we can use sbuild :) | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | don_j, seems to be pretty self explinitory | 07:53 |
| imbrandon | wasup? | 07:53 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, right on, yeqa | 07:53 |
| imbrandon | yea* | 07:53 |
| don_j | imbrandon: can you hint me to solve it? | 07:53 |
| imbrandon | remove the dupe file from the package where it dosent belong | 07:54 |
| don_j | imbrandon: by changing some configuration switch? | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | e.g. /usr/bin/gst-xmllaunch-0.10 cant be in your package and -tools unless yours replaces/provides -tools | 07:55 |
| jml | imbrandon: just make sure we know what a real xml-rpc is supposed to look like :) | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | jml, :) | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | /whois jml | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | err whoops | 07:57 |
| jml | imbrandon: that's a pretty deep question, I wouldn't expect Freenode to be able to answer it very well :) | 07:57 |
| imbrandon | hahah :) right on | 07:58 |
| don_j | imbrandon: thats exactly why I, in the first place, told you to update it heh cuz it seems you are cutting the app. in your own prefered way | 07:58 |
| imbrandon | don_j, excuse me ? sorry i dont follow? | 07:58 |
| don_j | imbrandon: not you but the the gst maintainer | 07:59 |
| imbrandon | hrm ok, i'm sorry i dont know what your trying to do exactly so i'm still not following completely, but ok | 07:59 |
| RAOF | Hey jml :) | 08:00 |
| don_j | imbrandon: Im trying to erect the new totem... | 08:00 |
| jml | RAOF: hey. | 08:00 |
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| RAOF | don_j: Ok, finally. What do you mean by the "new totem"? 2.18.0? | 08:01 |
| jml | RAOF: I'm not here to do any packaging, just making sure I'm hanging around LP users :) | 08:01 |
| don_j | RAOF: yes | 08:01 |
| RAOF | don_j: That's in Feisty. There's no need.; | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | jml, you've come to the right place then :) | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | don_j, its already in feisty | 08:02 |
| don_j | RAOF: why isn't it in the 'std' repository then? | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | jml, can i bug you later about some xml-rpc stuff ? ( not sure your normal operating hours ) | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | don_j, std? | 08:03 |
| jml | imbrandon: I'm on the Australia east coast. Please feel free to bug me. | 08:03 |
| RAOF | By "std" you mean Edgy's (or Ubuntu 6.10's) repositories? The reason is the Edgy has been *released* | 08:03 |
| don_j | imbrandon: the one configure with ubuntu | 08:03 |
| don_j | imbrandon: configured | 08:03 |
| jml | imbrandon: probably the best place to bug me about that is in #launchpad though. | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | don_j, it is once feisty is released, if you mean why isnt it backported to edgy ( not on by default ) its because thats been released already | 08:04 |
| don_j | can I just add the Feitsy then? | 08:04 |
| imbrandon | sure you can upgrade to feisty, its not released yet but its there to use | 08:05 |
| don_j | imbrandon: by adding that repository? | 08:06 |
| RAOF | !upgrade | don_j | 08:06 |
| ubotu | don_j: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes | 08:06 |
| don_j | cool | 08:07 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, u there? | 08:09 |
| don_j | maybe I should just copy the Live Fietsy image to a smart-card and so it that way instead then | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | superm1, yup, and i'll have you fixed up before the nights over, i'm working on it now | 08:09 |
| superm1 | imbrandon, thx :) | 08:09 |
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| don_j | s%/Fietsy/Feisty/g | 08:11 |
| RAOF | don_j: #ubuntu+1 is probably where you want to go for advice/comments on Feisty installation/use. | 08:12 |
| don_j | ok | 08:13 |
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| don_j | btw may I suggest to put ncftp in the repositories? | 08:15 |
| RAOF | You may, but it's already in there. | 08:15 |
| don_j | in Feisty too? | 08:16 |
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| crimsun | !info ncftp feisty | 08:17 |
| ubotu | ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.0-1 (feisty), package size 483 kB, installed size 1092 kB | 08:17 |
| crimsun | !info ncftp | 08:17 |
| ubotu | ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.1.9-1 (edgy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1020 kB | 08:17 |
| crimsun | answer your question? | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | ugh who the hell thought it was a good idea to put n-m in a server install | 08:17 |
| crimsun | n-m is tolerable; avahi-autoipd is becoming intolerable | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | AND have it restart networking before its configured from a remote ssh session ? | 08:18 |
| jussi01 | can someone tell me how to change the color of the screen behind the gnome splash at boot? | 08:18 |
| Lathiat | crimsun: whats wrong with avahi-autoipd? | 08:18 |
| don_j | my installation must be a dapper then | 08:18 |
| crimsun | imbrandon: oh, I strip n-m from server installs | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, i do too, untill i just dist-upgraded it and it must be in one of the seeds now | 08:19 |
| crimsun | Lathiat: I don't think it's avahi-autoipd; I think it's our networking hooks | 08:19 |
| don_j | !info ircp | 08:20 |
| ubotu | ircp: Utility for "beaming" files via IRDA. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-2 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | Setting up network-manager (0.6.4-6ubuntu4) ... | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | * Reloading system message bus config... | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | ...done. | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | ... and aurora is now unreachable | 08:20 |
| crimsun | Lathiat: for instance, across three different networks, there are dhcp servers that are notoriously crappy with providing leases in a timely manner, which means I get an 169.foo nondeterministically | 08:20 |
| === imbrandon grumbles | ||
| Lathiat | crimsun: well it sounds like your DHCP is timing out | 08:21 |
| Lathiat | crimsun: it'd break in any case... | 08:21 |
| Lathiat | crimsun: you just wouldnt have an IP at all. | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: yeah, gotta watch out for n-m on remote machines :( | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | I did that the other day | 08:21 |
| crimsun | Lathiat: yes, that's part of the issue. I'm having this problem across _all_ networks, however, on both dist-upgraded installs and fresh 7.04 Beta installs | 08:22 |
| crimsun | Lathiat: meaning I nondeterministically get a 169.foo even if I actually do see a dhcp lease | 08:22 |
| crimsun | s/lease/offer/ | 08:22 |
| Lathiat | crimsun: ah, interesting. | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | i wonder if i have someone reset that box if it will come back, it has a static in the /etc/network/interfaces | 08:23 |
| Lathiat | it shouldnt break anything tho | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | so i dont have to drive out there | 08:23 |
| don_j | !info mplayer | 08:27 |
| ubotu | mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3461 kB, installed size 8624 kB | 08:27 |
| don_j | you guys rocks! | 08:27 |
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| don_j | how do I get the source packages for the default idle-screens? | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | apt-get source <package> | 08:42 |
| Hobbsee | figure out the package name, apt-get source packagename. | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | heya gurl, how goes it | 08:43 |
| crimsun | funny, I actually executed /wi gurl | 08:43 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | lol | 08:44 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | wi? | 08:44 |
| crimsun | /whois | 08:44 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | oh | 08:44 |
| TheMuso | heh | 08:44 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yeah that's crap | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | (about aurora going byebye) | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | I had the same thing with my box at home yesterday, and it's a static eth0 config | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | yea its all good now, i had the tech at the other place reset it to bring it back up | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | insanity | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | yea its shitty | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | ifup eth0 would do it | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | but NM had to go & kill it | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | well they would requite i make an account for them or give them mine | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | require* | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | ugh | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | you'd think they'd get rid of n-m for at least the server seed | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | so i just had him power cycle it , it came back ok though | 08:47 |
| ajmitch | only hand out root to people you know & trust | 08:47 |
| ajmitch | like random people in NZ ;) | 08:47 |
| === don_j found it at http://spacepants.org/src/glsnake/ ;) | ||
| imbrandon | no one has root but you and me | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | heh | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | I don't think ajmitch is random | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | although he is in NZ | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | which is close | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 08:47 |
| ajmitch | foolish people, trusting me | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | yea thats why i had them power cycle it , and not give them a passwd | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | anyhow its back now, brb smoke break | 08:48 |
| crimsun | (oh crap, a mini-ajmitch sitting in /usr/lib/f-spot/libfspot.so.0.0.0 !) | 08:49 |
| crimsun | ;-) | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | btw ajmitch got a sec for some python ? i made a few minor mods to the lpusers script from Fujitsu to work with beta , but for some reason its only returning 2 users now | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | k | 08:50 |
| imbrandon | if you have time to look its in /home/imbrandon/lpusers.py ( on aurora ) | 08:50 |
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| LaserJock | you need spares? | 08:50 |
| ajmitch | sure | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | a terminal for each box I login to, and then run screen on each :) | 08:51 |
| don_j | glsnake.c ;) | 08:52 |
| siretart | morning folks | 08:52 |
| crimsun | mm, I like how the new LP bug emails list the reason for receiving the emails at the bottom | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart | 08:52 |
| crimsun | 'lo | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: that's finally useful | 08:52 |
| siretart | hi ajmitch, crimsun, imbrandon! | 08:52 |
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| imbrandon | heya siretart | 08:54 |
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| imbrandon | i really should invest in a sshable powerstrip ;) | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | yep :) | 08:56 |
| === RAOF 'd buy one of those | ||
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| imbrandon | with 24 hours staff on jabber though its nice , almost as good as a sshable powerstrip ;) | 08:58 |
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| imbrandon | kinda like powercycle over jabber ;) | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: so has the new beta UI screwed up the script? | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | yea a tad | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | s/beta/1.0/ | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | ---> other chan | 08:59 |
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| pef | hello | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | hello pef | 09:07 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach! | 09:25 |
| dholbach | good morning | 09:25 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | how are you? | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | heya dholbach | 09:25 |
| dholbach | hey imbrandon | 09:25 |
| dholbach | good good - how are y'all? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | how was your WE? | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | good, was visiting family | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | how about your weekend? | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | good, i'm finaly off weekends and on a normal schedule at work after 6 months ;) | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | so its time to start crankin hard for me and ubuntu ;) | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | yay! | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | haha | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:28 |
| === ajmitch has heard of 2 job possibilities within the last few days | ||
| imbrandon | ( or atleaste getting some sleep ) | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, rockin | 09:28 |
| ajmitch | yeah, one of which would involve a bit of ubuntu work | 09:28 |
| ajmitch | the other being sysadmin of (mainly) debian boxes | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | nice | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I'm considering it | 09:30 |
| dholbach | very good - beautiful weather in berlin, lots outside, so I'm happy :) | 09:31 |
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| imbrandon | dholbach, cool, yea it is here too, been 70 F to 75 F here all week | 09:33 |
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| dholbach | nice | 09:33 |
| TheMuso | Very nice time of year here in Australia/Sydney. Warm days, but cool nights. | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | dholbach, you see the new LP 1.0 got rolls out for the general public tonight ? | 09:34 |
| TheMuso | Isn't it a public beta? | 09:35 |
| dholbach | oh yeah | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso, nah its for everyone now | 09:35 |
| ajmitch | hence "public" | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | heh well yea | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | but a website you cant exactly install an "old version" as a user | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | so its rolled | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | :) | 09:36 |
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| Lure | imbrandon: did you have time to look into bug 75435 debdiff? | 11:15 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 75435 in digikam "Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible. Was: usdigikam expects trash to be in ~/Desktop/Trash - causes error in Ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75435 | 11:15 |
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| imbrandon | Lure, i thought keescook did them both, i'll get it right now | 11:25 |
| Lure | imbrandon: nope, he did just gtk-qt-engine | 11:25 |
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| imbrandon | kk | 11:25 |
| Lure | imbrandon: thanks | 11:25 |
| imbrandon | np | 11:25 |
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| imbrandon | Lure, uploaded | 11:36 |
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| crimsun | sorry, I don't have ops in -devel | 11:43 |
| crimsun | I believe fabbione and keybuk do, however | 11:43 |
| crimsun | you really want an ircop, though | 11:43 |
| crimsun | imbrandon, jenda, nalioth, etc. | 11:43 |
| imbrandon | working on it, i dont seem to either | 11:43 |
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| gnomefreak | none of the normal ops have ops in devel | 11:51 |
| gnomefreak | maybe Sevea^s | 11:51 |
| imbrandon | well freenode staff wasent on the list either so i couldent even op that way ( nor could others ) | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | without operserv access that is :) | 11:52 |
| Fujitsu | Sevea^s could have, as he should know the password, and can tell Freenode staff to do stuff. | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, imbrandon , jenda , RichH all are freenode staff heheh but without @freenode/staff/* on the list its kinda hard to op up without opersev access ( not all staff have that ) | 11:54 |
| BugMaN | hi | 11:54 |
| imbrandon | hello | 11:54 |
| BugMaN | someone can control this patch (its my second patch ever) malone #96326 | 11:54 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 96326 in php-html-template-it "[UNMETDEPS] php-html-template-it has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96326 | 11:55 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: You're staff!? | 11:55 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, yes , have been for a few months now :) | 11:55 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 11:55 |
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| Fujitsu | I knew of the last two. | 11:55 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: Wow! | 11:55 |
| crimsun | I think I knew of imbrandon being staff before I knew of jenda being staff | 11:56 |
| imbrandon | yea i was about 2 months before jenda iirc ( not that it really matters ) | 11:56 |
| crimsun | err, nautilus just exploded copying a 4.5 GB mkv onto FAT32. | 11:56 |
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| imbrandon | fat32 dosent like files bigger than 4GB does it ? | 11:57 |
| Fujitsu | Heheheh. | 11:57 |
| TheMuso | FAT32 is 2GB afaik. | 11:57 |
| imbrandon | i knew it was something like that | 11:58 |
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| TheMuso | Lovely. Apt-file can't be installed. | 12:35 |
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| gnomefreak | on feisty? | 12:36 |
| TheMuso | gnomefreak: Yeah. | 12:37 |
| gnomefreak | it works here if you use apt-file :) | 12:37 |
| gnomefreak | ill tell you for sure in like a minute | 12:38 |
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| TheMuso | Hang on, I'll run apt-get update again | 12:38 |
| gnomefreak | Setting up apt-file (2.0.8.2ubuntu1) ... | 12:38 |
| TheMuso | Yeah ok. | 12:39 |
| TheMuso | Probably newer deps or something. | 12:39 |
| gnomefreak | if you used capped A than it will fail | 12:39 |
| TheMuso | No I didn't. | 12:39 |
| TheMuso | Anyways | 12:39 |
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| TheMuso | Ok probably to do with the fact that I hada broken package partially installed. :) | 12:40 |
| gnomefreak | could be | 12:42 |
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| Lure | imbrandon: ta | 12:52 |
| imbrandon | np | 12:53 |
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| pochu | heya! | 01:08 |
| mr_pouit | hi pochu | 01:08 |
| TheMuso | Hey pochu. | 01:08 |
| pochu | hey mr_pouit | 01:08 |
| pochu | hi TheMuso :) | 01:08 |
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| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 01:39 |
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| sacater | does anyone here know who maintains the 'vegastrike' package | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | sacater, is it in main or universe ? | 01:44 |
| Fujitsu | Universe, I believe. | 01:44 |
| Fujitsu | !info vegastrike feisty | 01:44 |
| Fujitsu | sacater: Why? | 01:44 |
| ubotu | vegastrike: A 3d space combat game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 4801 kB, installed size 12272 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc sparc mips mipsel s390 alpha arm ia64 hppa amd64 ppc64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64) | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | then MOTU does :) | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | only avil for 500 arches, classic | 01:45 |
| StevenK | It doesn't list hurd-i386 :-P | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | poor bddebian | 01:46 |
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| sacater | Fujitsu: just interested | 01:50 |
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| jekil | hello | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | Hi jekil. | 02:17 |
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| TheMuso | Lutin: Sorry, I just fixed a bug, that I realised was assigned to you only after I uploaded a fix. | 02:20 |
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| RAOF | Wow, the X server really hates the braid screensaver. | 02:30 |
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| TheMuso | Night folks. | 02:39 |
| pochu | good night TheMuso! | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | night TheMuso | 02:42 |
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| BugMaN | someone can check this diff, its my first "merge"... maybe i make some mistakes... thanks -> Malone #101893 | 03:29 |
| crimsun | bug 101893 | 03:30 |
| Jucato | bot down :) | 03:30 |
| crimsun | bah | 03:30 |
| BugMaN | :) | 03:30 |
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| BugMaN | Malone bug 101893 in asp "please merge asp 1.8-6 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101893 | 03:31 |
| crimsun | aside from trivial whitespace formatting, looks fine | 03:32 |
| BugMaN | crimsun: wow :) | 03:32 |
| StevenK | Oh damn, bug numbers have hit 6 digits. | 03:32 |
| crimsun | hmm | 03:32 |
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| crimsun | ah, that's buggered. | 03:33 |
| crimsun | BugMaN: the merge needs to maintain the original debian/changelog entry from -6, and you'd add to that the ubuntu changes -> -6ubuntu1 | 03:34 |
| BugMaN | crimsun: ah ok | 03:34 |
| BugMaN | crimsun: then only maintener change | 03:35 |
| crimsun | BugMaN: yes. | 03:35 |
| BugMaN | crimsun: i remake the debdiff :-) | 03:35 |
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| PhinnFort | !ping | 03:39 |
| PhinnFort | !java | 03:39 |
| ubotu | pong | 03:40 |
| ubotu | To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre | 03:40 |
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| BugMaN | crimsun: i remake the debdiff it's correct? | 03:47 |
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| BugMaN | crimsun:maybe i make another error, tomorrow i remake debdiff... bye | 03:54 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:27 |
| imbrandon | hey bddebian | 04:28 |
| bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 04:28 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian, hi imbrandon | 04:28 |
| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 04:28 |
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| chillywilly | where can I download the latest bazaar? | 04:44 |
| chillywilly | I know I saw somewhere where jbailey had made some packages | 04:44 |
| chillywilly | can't find it now | 04:44 |
| Nafallo | chillywilly: bazaar-vcs.org has a repo. feisty has the latest aswell. | 04:45 |
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| tepsipakki | for motu-uvf: bug 101922 | 04:57 |
| tepsipakki | so, ubotu is having a day off ;) | 04:58 |
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| crimsun | (commented) | 05:00 |
| tepsipakki | crimsun: thanks! | 05:01 |
| Jucato | good day/evening! currently trying to learn how to package (and probably become a MOTU?) and keeping a sort of journal of what I'm learning on my blog. I have a list questions, found the answers, but I'm a bit stumped on 2 of them. | 05:03 |
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| Jucato | 1. What is the bare/lowest minimum requirement, in terms of Linux knowledge, does need in learning how to package? | 05:05 |
| Jucato | 2. How do you test a package you built w/ pbuilder? Test in terms of "it installs properly" and "it runs properly/doesn't crash" | 05:06 |
| crimsun | 1 -> You need to know what Linux is. | 05:06 |
| crimsun | 2 -> See pbuilder hooks. Test install/remove/upgrade at the _very_ least. Testing execution is preferred. | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: 1. + knowledge of how to use man | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | (seeing as google isnt a linux-only thing) | 05:07 |
| Jucato | hehe of course other than knowing what linux is. I mean, compiling from source, directories, bash stuff, etc? what do most MOTU's presume you know already? | 05:07 |
| zul | /win 10 | 05:07 |
| Jucato | crimsun: using pbuilder hooks, I can install and run the package? full GUI? (/me doesn't know the proper terms) | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: any of that is good. any of that you build on. if you dont have bits of them, you pick it up | 05:08 |
| Jucato | hm... ok... :) | 05:09 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: serious about the use of man? :D | 05:10 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: :D | 05:11 |
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| Hobbsee | man foo works just fine | 05:13 |
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| Jucato | man:/foo works even better :D | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | true that | 05:15 |
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| Toadstool | g'morning everybody | 05:53 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 05:53 |
| Toadstool | hi bddebian | 05:54 |
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| _MMA_ | Im sorry. OT but just too funny not to share: http://ninjapants.org/files/can%20you%20defeat%20my%20wu%20tang%20style.gif | 06:20 |
| dholbach | slomo, ajmitch, siretart, crimsun: i cleaned up the motu-uvf bug lists - can you have another look too? | 06:23 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Yeah, kick someone to do the darn syncs will ya? ;-) | 06:27 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: that is pretty darn funny | 06:34 |
| bddebian | That is funny! | 06:36 |
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| _MMA_ | :) | 06:36 |
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| bddebian | dholbach: Am I supposed to subscribe archive to that now? (i.e. splashy-themes) ?? | 06:39 |
| dholbach | if it's a sync sure | 06:39 |
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| bddebian | OK, thx | 06:44 |
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| Burgwork | ajmitch: poor fedora people, still struggling with zope and python 2.4 | 07:34 |
| dexem_ | Hi, I'm trying to build OpenOffice.org, and I'm having problems... it says that zlib is not functional. I have correctly installed build dependencies packages so, what could be happening? | 07:34 |
| enyc | dexem_: erm... have you "sudo apt-get build-dep {package}" for the relevant source pagckages? | 07:36 |
| dexem_ | enyc: yes | 07:36 |
| enyc | dexem_: oh yes... misread what you said ;-) | 07:36 |
| dexem_ | ;) | 07:36 |
| enyc | dexem_: what is the error exactly ? | 07:37 |
| enyc | dexem_: Ive never actually built openoffice.org myself... but done various other things... be helpful to others if you have the exact error | 07:37 |
| dexem_ | checking for deflate in -lz... no | 07:37 |
| dexem_ | configure: error: zlib not found or functional | 07:37 |
| dexem_ | but | 07:38 |
| dexem_ | checking zlib.h usability... no | 07:38 |
| dexem_ | checking zlib.h presence... yes | 07:38 |
| dexem_ | checking for zlib.h... yes | 07:38 |
| dexem_ | :P | 07:38 |
| enyc | dexem_: thats weird... -lz should load zlib headers... hrrm... | 07:38 |
| enyc | dexem_: are you trying to beild stock-version rather than ubuntu-source or a different version/architecture ?? | 07:38 |
| dexem_ | no, I'm using everything from ubuntu repositories (for my arch) | 07:39 |
| mr_pouit | whe the latest revision of a package is 1.0-1build1, the next is 1.0-1build2 or 1.0-1ubuntu1? | 07:40 |
| mr_pouit | when* | 07:40 |
| gnomefreak | does apt-get source -b package build it? | 07:40 |
| gnomefreak | mr_pouit: i would say build | 07:41 |
| mr_pouit | gnomefreak: ok, thanks | 07:41 |
| dexem_ | gnomefreak: I was using apt-build | 07:41 |
| gnomefreak | dexem_: feisty? | 07:41 |
| dexem_ | yes | 07:42 |
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| dexem_ | dunno | 07:42 |
| enyc | dexem_: notice that openoffice.org has problems with 64bit... is this sorted now?? | 07:43 |
| dexem_ | I'm using 32 bits platform | 07:43 |
| ogra | mr_pouit, that depends on the change | 07:43 |
| enyc | kk.. | 07:43 |
| ogra | mr_pouit, -XbuildX should only be used for plain rebuilds without change ... -XubuntuX always if there is a change (the XubuntuX part is what triggers mom) | 07:44 |
| mr_pouit | ogra: ok, so -1ubuntu1 (it is a debdiff for a .desktop) | 07:45 |
| gnomefreak | mr_pouit: most of time apt-cache policy packagename will giv eyou the installed version and newest version | 07:45 |
| ogra | mr_pouit, right ... | 07:46 |
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| illovae | hello | 07:49 |
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| keescook | ajmitch: are there any good Ubuntu-specific "here's how to use SELinux" docs? wiki.u.c only shows development notes | 08:03 |
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| slytherin | crimsun: ping | 08:16 |
| geser | siretart: do you know why tauware.de sometimes takes 1-2 days to deliver u-u-s mails? | 08:16 |
| slytherin | ajmitch: ping | 08:16 |
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| siretart | geser: is it tiber.tauware.de or freiburg.tauware.de which takes so long? | 08:18 |
| slytherin | siretart: ping | 08:19 |
| siretart | slytherin: no need to ping, I'm here | 08:20 |
| slytherin | siretart: may I bug you for vote on a UVF bug? :-) | 08:20 |
| siretart | slytherin: bug? | 08:21 |
| slytherin | siretart: bug 95153 | 08:22 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 95153 in devede "Please sync to latest version 2.12 for feisty" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95153 | 08:22 |
| superm1 | keescook, is there going to be any chance at my patch for pvr150 blaster making it in - or is stuck from feature freeze? | 08:24 |
| keescook | superm1: I'm going to look at it today, I suspect it'll get in. :) | 08:25 |
| superm1 | keescook, cool, great :) | 08:25 |
| superm1 | keescook, i'm still waiting on BenC to look over the kernel patch i made as well. i'm not sure that will make it | 08:25 |
| superm1 | keescook, considering kernel freeze is thursday | 08:25 |
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| geser | siretart: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13555/ shows the received headers | 08:31 |
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| siretart | geser: is it only today or when did you notice this first? | 08:42 |
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| geser | it happens now and then and only for some mails | 08:43 |
| geser | the first time was some weeks ago | 08:43 |
| siretart | hm. I don't see anything strange here | 08:43 |
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| geser | according to my mailbox I see it since the beginning of march | 08:49 |
| geser | the longest delay was 6 days: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:50:53 +0100 -> Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:40:41 +0100 | 08:50 |
| geser | it only happens once or twice a day | 08:51 |
| siretart | wow | 08:56 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | keescook: not terribly much info on that | 09:06 |
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| keescook | ajmitch: do you have any interest in writing something like that up? I want to get selinux installed in a VM now, since I've got AppArmor in another. :) | 09:08 |
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| ajmitch | keescook: yeah, why not? :) | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | I'll try & add on another hour or two to the day | 09:13 |
| keescook | ajmitch: Heh, cool. I'm going to be collecting something similar for AppArmor, since I've gotten some training on how to use it now. :) | 09:13 |
| keescook | agreed: too few hours. | 09:14 |
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| ajmitch | lucky you :) | 09:14 |
| ajmitch | I've just had chats with rjc & listened to him at lca | 09:14 |
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| ajmitch | oh I see crispin cowan had to write about apparmour on the list | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | that's one thing that puts me off using it ;) | 09:20 |
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| ajmitch | well, release is close | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | that means we *really* have to get working | 09:32 |
| geser | is there a fixed date for the universe freeze? | 09:33 |
| geser | all I know is it's the last week before release | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | I can't recall if it was agreed on or not | 09:34 |
| ajmitch | we'll find out soon :) | 09:34 |
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| crimsun | Sp4rKy: I can't respond to queries. What's the bug #/issue? | 09:42 |
| Sp4rKy | crimsun: you're not registered ? | 09:43 |
| Sp4rKy | crimsun: no bug #, can you read my query ? | 09:43 |
| crimsun | yes, but I'm not identified, and I have no pressing desire to recover the password. | 09:44 |
| boitono | I recently upgraded a server from dapper to edgy and one of the packages we rely on, otrs, was downgraded from 2.0.4 to 1.33~. I found that otrs 1.33~ was added to the edgy repository and took the name otrs and otrs 2.0.4 was renamed otrs2. Why did this happen? Can anyone give me some more info? | 09:44 |
| boitono | should this be filed as a bug? | 09:44 |
| crimsun | Sp4rKy: the reason I pinged you in here is precisely due to my reading your query. | 09:45 |
| Sp4rKy | crimsun: ok, so you remember me and my issue with sound ? | 09:46 |
| crimsun | no, I don't. | 09:46 |
| Sp4rKy | grrr | 09:46 |
| crimsun | I triage about 200 audio bugs per day. | 09:46 |
| Sp4rKy | yep | 09:46 |
| Sp4rKy | ok, so, 1 month ago | 09:46 |
| Sp4rKy | on a ACER Aspire 5100 | 09:46 |
| Sp4rKy | alsa doesn't works | 09:47 |
| Sp4rKy | only oss | 09:47 |
| Sp4rKy | you patch the kernel, but after update , always the same issue | 09:47 |
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| bddebian | boitono: I don't know the package but I would guess that they probably had some packages still depending on the older version 1.33 but wanted the newer version as well so they kept two seperate packages. | 09:50 |
| welshbyte | boitono: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367959 explains it | 09:50 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 367959 in wnpp "ITP: otrs2 -- Open Ticket Request System version 2" [Wishlist,Closed] | 09:50 |
| bddebian | Or, there's that | 09:51 |
| crimsun | Sp4rKy: you need to give me more info than that. | 09:51 |
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| Sp4rKy | crimsun: what do you want ? | 09:51 |
| Sp4rKy | crimsun: you asked me for a lot of output but i don't remember what at all | 09:51 |
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| crimsun | Sp4rKy: http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh . Use --with-all | 09:53 |
| Sp4rKy | ok :) | 09:53 |
| boitono | that's all fine but ti breaks existing OTRS installations.... | 09:53 |
| Sp4rKy | crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/421347 | 09:54 |
| boitono | Also, I found the package seems to violate configuration file location policy by placing some of the config files in /usr/share/otrs/Kernel/Config/Files and not symlinking them | 09:55 |
| crimsun | Sp4rKy: err, you're not using the latest publicly available kernel. Why not? | 09:55 |
| Sp4rKy | hu N | 09:55 |
| Sp4rKy | ? | 09:55 |
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| crimsun | Kernel release: 2.6.20-12-genericKernel release: 2.6.20-12-generic <-- | 09:56 |
| crimsun | (sorry for the dupe) | 09:56 |
| Sp4rKy | ohh indeed | 09:57 |
| Sp4rKy | i upgrade :) | 09:57 |
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| crimsun | mmm, new udev has some shiny features | 10:00 |
| crimsun | 'SYMLINKs may now have per-device priorities specified with OPTIONS="link_priority=100", removal of a device means that the symlink will be changed to point at the device with the next highest priority.' | 10:00 |
| welshbyte | boitono: sounds worthy of a bug report to me | 10:00 |
| crimsun | this could well wipe out the audio device persistence issue | 10:01 |
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| ajmitch | crimsun: is this new udev in feisty? | 10:06 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: yep. | 10:06 |
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| ajmitch | useful | 10:07 |
| === ajmitch wonders how the md/lvm debugging session went | ||
| crimsun | well, at least siretart reported success | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I haven't had time to reboot my system | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | which uses / on LVM on RAID | 10:10 |
| siretart | its not only udev, but it seems that my system is booting again | 10:10 |
| crimsun | nor me, keep getting accosted by audio bugs ;) | 10:10 |
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| Sp4rKy | crimsun: i just upgraded,and alsa works now :) really sorry to disturb you | 10:35 |
| crimsun | np. | 10:35 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 10:36 |
| bddebian | Don't let it happen again! :-) | 10:42 |
| bddebian | Only I'm allowed to disturb him. | 10:42 |
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| Sp4rKy | ^^ | 10:45 |
| bddebian | :) | 10:51 |
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| superm1 | imbrandon, any word on the acct? | 10:55 |
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| TheMuso | Hey MOTUs. | 11:41 |
| bddebian | Heya TheMuso | 11:41 |
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| bddebian | Later folks | 11:53 |
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