crimsunshawarma: well, the first point is rather moot, so we're really discussing the second...?12:11
shawarmacrimsun: Why is the first point moot?12:12
=== shawarma may not entirely understand what "moot" means..
lupine_85"moot" ~= "a given"12:12
crimsunshawarma: it's not the present interface that matters but the fact that there's no midi available by default12:13
shawarmalupine_85: Thanks.12:13
crimsunI believe a few bug reports are open that lament missing midi functionality OOTB12:13
jdonglupine_85: more like "No longer relevant/needing arguing."12:14
jdongor maybe I suck at assuming what moot means too :D12:14
crimsun(jdong has the gist of it)12:14
lupine_85if you want to get technical, it's a gathering where people agree on things12:14
jdonglupine_85: or the USA law term meaning circumstances changed to the point where it is no longer actionable to contest a point :)12:15
shawarmacrimsun: Ok. Well, yes, I suppose we're discussing the second point, then.12:15
jdongbut anyway, this is all... err.. moot.12:15
crimsunshawarma: so something for which it's worth creating a Feisty+1 spec would be providing midi functionality OOTB12:16
shawarmacrimsun: Right.12:16
crimsunwe load snd-seq by default as of Feisty anyhow, so simply having timidity seeded in desktop would resolve much of it12:16
shawarmacrimsun: Yes, whether it's using timidity is secondary.12:16
LaserJockdarn, I need to keep remembering it's April 1st12:17
LaserJockI almost had a heart attack reading about Martin Krafft getting kicked out of Debian ;-)12:17
shawarmacrimsun: Precisely... That's why I'm wondering why it's not done already.12:17
crimsunshawarma: likely lack of resources12:18
shawarmacrimsun: Possibly. I just expected a technical reason, but couldn't imagine what it'd be.12:19
shawarmacrimsun: And since your the sound guru..12:19
crimsunnope, the closest thing to a technical "reason" would be bug 3483112:20
ubotuMalone bug 34831 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Hardlock of entire system (Dapper Flight 5)" [High,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3483112:20
crimsunthat's precisely the reason I used the sledgehammer approach in alsa-driver (as of 1.0.13-1ubuntu1)12:20
crimsunone of the things on my plate for Feisty+1 is scrapping the entire asound.state saving/restoring, as the mixer interface is far too volatile (thanks, HDA!) to be useful12:21
shawarmaI see.12:22
crimsun(yes, I have much _love_ for HDA.)12:22
crimsunin any case, if you want to file an MIR for timidity, feel free :)12:23
DktrKranzLaserJock, we discovered something about yesterday's php issue12:25
LaserJockDktrKranz: yes?12:30
Fujitsucrimsun, shawarma: Isn't timidity pretty useless without a soundfont? The size of those isn't insignificant.12:31
shawarmacrimsun: Nah, I try to stay away from anything that has to do with sound.12:31
DktrKranzwell, php-interbase and friends depends on a package in universe12:31
shawarmaFujitsu: freepaths is about 10 MB, I think.12:31
shawarmaFujitsu: freepats.12:31
crimsunshawarma: aww.12:31
shawarmaReally? Shit.12:31
DktrKranzso they were dropped accordingly12:32
DktrKranzit's the correct behaviour12:32
LaserJockbah, we have plenty of room on the CD;-)12:32
LaserJockDktrKranz: what do you mean?12:32
crimsunbah, just because edubuntu now has _2_ cds... ;-)12:32
FujitsuLaserJock: Damn you and your second CD.12:32
LaserJockwe only put 200MB on it12:33
LaserJockI've got another 500MB to play with ;-)12:33
crimsunhey, another openoffice.org instance might fit...12:33
FujitsuHopefully we'll have maxima and co. on there next time.12:33
DktrKranzphp-interbase could not be included into php5 (in main) because of a universe dependency12:33
=== Fujitsu hits crimsun hard.
LaserJockDktrKranz: right, but it shouldn't have just been dropped12:34
FujitsuLaserJock: What other choice was there?12:34
LaserJockmake a package for it12:34
FujitsuWe have a few other similar situations.12:34
DktrKranzthey had to be packaged as stand-alone packages12:34
FujitsuLaserJock: That requires a universe-based php5 as well...12:34
FujitsuOr does it not need all of php5 to build?12:34
LaserJockno it doesn't12:34
DktrKranzanyway, there was some doubt about this procedure12:35
LaserJockwell, it is tricky12:35
LaserJockbut we shouldn't just abandon packages because they dep on Universe :(12:35
DktrKranzof course12:35
DktrKranzthe main discussion was how to handle them12:35
DktrKranzsince debian ships them in php512:36
FujitsuLaserJock: As I said, there are other cases of this... it'd be nice to fix that, though.12:36
DktrKranzwe have some options12:36
LaserJockwhere was this discussed?12:36
FujitsuThe same with AAC support and stuff.12:36
DktrKranzhere, this afternoon12:36
LaserJockok, but it was dropped a while ago, right?12:37
LaserJockthere should have been some discussion on ubuntu-devel or something12:37
DktrKranzit was dropped during autosync of php5 in october12:37
LaserJockit's annoying to loose packages that are depended on without any discussion12:38
DktrKranz(or when it happened, i didn't remind the exact date)12:38
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LaserJockalthough I guess at the time the deps were php412:38
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DktrKranzyou guess right12:38
DktrKranzStevenK proposed to include them in a "php5-universe" package12:39
DktrKranzbut this way we should monitor php5 updates12:40
FujitsuWe really should be notified when archive people do that.12:40
DktrKranzand workload is quite high12:40
FujitsuWe already have a couple with universe/multiverse clones, like gtkpod.12:41
DktrKranzso there isn't an immediate solution 12:41
DktrKranznor a bitesize one12:41
DktrKranzwe could see if it is possible to promote firebird212:43
DktrKranzbut it requires time12:43
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geserDktrKranz: promoting firebird2 would solve it for php-interbase but not for the other php modules (php-imap, php-mcrypt)01:04
DktrKranzthat's right, checked01:06
TheMusocrimsun: Ok thanks for the update.01:10
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DktrKranzgood night :)01:27
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ajmitchbddebian: they beat you constantly?01:29
bddebianajmitch: Hey, you should be happy.  You are about to get rid of me. :-)01:30
ajmitchoh are we?01:34
ajmitchsilly me, I thought you wanted your team membership renewed01:36
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LaserJockdarn Windows, I boot into XP to do taxes and it messes up the clock02:05
zulteaches you a lesson to not to use xp02:12
LaserJockI wonder if the tax software would work in Wine02:12
jmg1.25, 1.41, 1.4302:12
LaserJockit's stupid though, XP couldn't figure out daylight savings time02:13
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bddebianLaserJock: It needs a patch02:32
bddebianajmitch: I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to renew it02:32
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LaserJockbddebian: reply and say "please, pretty please, with a cherry on top!"02:40
RAOFHi LaserJock :)02:40
LaserJockbrb, gotta reboot Windows for a sec for my wifes recipie program ;-)02:41
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BurgundaviaLaserJock: you need to get her using gourmet02:48
bddebianLaserJock: I would have assumed some type of knowing whether I was wanted back or not I guess.  Though sistpoty kind of did that I guess.02:48
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LaserJockbddebian: it's more if you want to be renewed02:53
LaserJockat least that was my understanding02:53
ajmitchbddebian: you renew it by the TB giving you a big tick02:56
ajmitchhello Burgundavia 02:56
Burgundaviahey ajmitch02:57
bddebianajmitch: But what is the "process"?02:57
LaserJockBurgundavia: well, it's a specific program on CD called "Million Recipies", not ones that she's put in02:57
ajmitchbddebian: sit back & relax, you've seen the MC thread02:57
LaserJockI *think* I installed it in Wine but it doesn't find the CD (it needs the CD)02:58
ajmitchalrighty then03:04
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poningruthen we're all in trouble03:07
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=== joejaxx gets bddebian a backup abacus
joejaxxabacus ftw :)03:08
joejaxxi have finally found out another difference between vmware workstation and server03:09
joejaxxserver does not have video capture capabilites03:09
jdongjoejaxx: also multiple snapshot abilities03:09
ajmitchmmm, quad core chip...03:09
poningrujoejaxx: also kernel utils03:09
joejaxxhmm i might have to switch back to workstation for this one03:10
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bddebianwoo hoo she lives03:20
ajmitchthat's useful03:22
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joejaxxajmitch: what version?03:22
joejaxxweb, standard, enterprise, datacenter, storage?03:23
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ajmitchit's not exactly relevant03:23
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zulhappy joy joy..03:38
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Kamping_Kaiseri seem to remember the way to ask for package inclusion changed recently. can someone point me where i need to look for details?06:19
HobbseeKamping_Kaiser: ubuntu-motu ML06:21
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Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, thanks :| i'll hope its in the archives :|06:22
TheMusoHeya Hobbsee.06:26
TheMusoHow goes uni?06:26
Hobbseehi TheMuso.  it goes, with lots of assignments06:27
TheMusoDon't remind me. :)06:27
TheMusoMy uni days are still very fresh in my mind.06:28
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ajmitchhi australians06:28
TheMusoHey ajmitch.06:28
RAOFHey ajmitch.06:28
=== Jucato waves to Hobbsee and RAOF and ajmitch and etc etc etc :)
Hobbseehiya Jucato 06:31
JucatoRAOF: if you recalled my RAM problem in #ubuntu+1 yesterday, yeah it was a loose chip :/06:32
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crimsun03 - Upside Down.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 24.0 tag, MP3 encoding06:35
crimsunthat's an interesting ID3 version06:35
=== crimsun looks at Debian 412513
ubotuDebian bug 412513 in file "file: Typo in description of MP3 with ID3 v2.3 tag" [Minor,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/41251306:35
=== TheMuso marvels at how good cdparanoia is.
TheMusoEven with tracks it says some bits have uncorrected errors/skips.06:36
TheMusoYet the track sounds perfect.06:36
RAOFSandpapering your CD collection?06:36
TheMusoMust be a good drive as well.06:36
RAOFProbably.  I like cdparanoia too :)06:37
TheMusoRAOF: No, a CD I lent to someone and it wasn't treated very well.06:37
TheMusoActually, I didn't lend, someone else did without asking :S06:37
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=== TheMuso uses, and loves, abcde!!
RAOFSadly I don't know a smily more angry than ">:("06:37
crimsunjust use a pointy stick of doom06:38
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don_jhey hey06:40
=== Hobbsee DOOMS crimsun
don_jI'm trying to make a deb package but it aint workin' as expected06:40
crimsunsorry, I've got a magic pony06:40
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=== don_j nods
don_jany package maintainers on the line?06:42
TheMusoYeah there are many of us here. :)06:43
TheMusodon_j: What exactly is the problem?06:43
don_jI can compile it the 'normal' way (./configure && make && make install) but when I invoke dpkg-buildpackage strange things seems to happen06:43
TheMusodon_j: Things? What things? Please give some more information.06:44
don_jits a fresh version of gstreamer06:44
don_jI'm tryin' to get the new totem erected06:45
TheMusodon_j: Please patebin any errors you are getting and I can then try to help you further.06:46
TheMusopastebin even06:46
don_jsome fresh version of GTK and glib is missing too06:47
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don_jand I'm all new to this dpkg system so I thought you might wanted to do all the hard work06:49
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don_jmake[5] : *** [libgstspider.la]  Error 106:50
ajmitchthat misses the actual error06:50
don_jshould I grep the errors or how do I do it?06:50
don_jlibtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../..//libxml2.la'  seems to be moved06:51
=== Hobbsee wonders why we'd want to do all the hard work for someone else, instead of point them in the right directino.
don_jHobbsee: because it's to get a nicer ubuntu image instead of that buggy ol' totem version06:53
crimsunHobbsee: well since LP is down for maint, we likely have nothing to do06:53
don_jundefined reference to `g_type_ class_ref'06:53
Hobbseecrimsun: thought you were subscribed to bug lists06:54
TheMusodon_j: Did you use the original packaging data from the version of totem in Ubuntu?06:54
crimsunHobbsee: pfft, subscribing to bug lists is for deities!?06:54
Hobbseeyes.  :P06:55
don_jnot really; I'm runnin' the buildpackage too in a the source directory though06:55
don_jerr. not really; I'm runnin' the buildpackage toot in the original source directory though06:56
don_jtool damnit06:57
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RAOFdon_j: Rather than playing 20 questions with you, why don't you try to summarize: (1) What you're trying to do, (2) how you are going about it, (3) pastebin the entire build-log, and optionally (4) why you're doing it in the first place :)06:58
don_jRAOF: cant you explain how to do it instead?06:59
don_j#1 I'm trying to update gstreamer06:59
Hobbseedon_j: that's documented in the packaging guide, for the most part.07:00
Hobbseedon_j: to explain everything about packaging, when a lot of it's documented anyway, is not terribly sensible w.r.t resource use07:00
don_j#2 I fetched the gstreamer-0.8.11.tar.gz from ftp.gnome.org07:01
RAOFOld school :)07:01
don_jRAOF: yeah07:02
=== RAOF doesn't understand why don_j is trying to build totem against an old gstreamer.
don_jwhat log-file?07:02
RAOFdon_j: Not a log file, the entire terminal output that occurs when you dpkg-buildpackage your package.07:03
RAOFHowever, Hobbsee has a better idea:07:03
RAOFYou've read the packaging guide, right?07:03
don_j./configure GST_LIBS=/usr/local/include/gstreamer-0.8/ GST_CFLAGS=/usr/local/include/gstreamer-0.8/gst/07:03
RAOFNooo!  I didn't mean "paste here" I meant "pastebin"!07:04
don_jRequested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.12.0' but version of GLib is 2.10.307:04
don_jbut that was the ./configure totem step to show some perspective07:04
RAOFdon_j: Isolated snippets don't really give any useful information.07:04
RAOF!packagingguide | don_j 07:04
ubotudon_j: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports07:04
RAOFYou *have* read that, right?07:05
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Hobbseedon_j: so you're building on an old release of gnome, giving us no real useful information, and expect us to hold your hand for every single step?  I think you're dreaming...07:05
don_jI've alread looked into all that but I still cant get into a deb package07:05
Hobbseethere's lots of stuff MOTU's already doing.07:05
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don_jRAOF: what's the new version of gstreamer then?07:06
JucatoHobbsee: may I quote you on that? :)07:06
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HobbseeJucato: sure.07:07
don_jHobbsee: It;s for your own best man07:07
don_jHobbsee: I could just skip all the debianization steps07:07
Hobbseedon_j: how?  07:07
JucatoHobbsee: j/k... but I'll be mentioning it in my blog :)07:07
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HobbseeJucato: not a bad idea, actually.  for an explanation on how to start doing MOTU-type stuff, and what you need07:08
don_jHobbsee: by not using that dpkg-buildpackage too07:08
JucatoHobbsee: that's what I'm planning to do with my MOTU series of blog posts :)07:08
RAOFdon_j: It might be worthwhile testing out that supposition.  You'll get the same errors trying to configure that manually, too.  Unless you can build the source normally, you can't expect dpkg-buildpackage to magically fix things.07:09
don_jRAOF: It works when I build it manually07:10
don_jat least totem doesnt complain after I build gst manually07:10
Hobbseebut it doesnt when you use debian packaging, for some unknown reason, which you dont think is important enough to tell us, only the stuff around it.  yay.07:11
don_jHobbsee: What log file?07:11
Hobbseedon_j: the build log07:11
RAOFAlso, I don't see how this will help Ubuntu.  Gstreamer0.8 hasn't been used in Ubuntu since Dapper (or was it Breezy?)07:11
don_jshould I just pipe the output to a file?07:12
don_jRAOF: Whats the new version then?07:12
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Kamping_Kaiserthe email https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001480.html asks to set to wishlist on 'needs packaging' bugs, but afaik most people cant - i know i cant. if theres another public location for that (say the wiki) could it be updated?07:14
don_jgstreamer-0.10.8.tar.gz then07:15
HobbseeKamping_Kaiser: i'd presume that one would just omit that instruction, and do the rest.  07:16
Hobbsee(non-motu and people not in -qa cant)07:16
=== Hobbsee wonders where (if) that's on the wiki
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, i did, but non motus will be wanting to request packages, and the instructions will 'fail' for all of them. a simple 'note this can only be done by motus' would be fine07:16
HobbseeKamping_Kaiser: indeed.07:17
RAOFOooh, launchpad's out of beta.  Cool!07:17
HobbseeKamping_Kaiser: seeing as it's a ML, it'd have to be copied to a wiki, seeing as most people wouldtn likely find the second message07:17
LaserJockRAOF: ?07:18
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, i'm inclined to agree ;), but i didnt see it under MOTU/07:18
HobbseeLaserJock: the new interface07:19
RAOFLaserJock: Head over to launchpad.net.  For me, everything now uses the beta interface, and I no longer have to strip "beta." from in front of all the links :)07:19
Kamping_Kaiserthose little menu things take their time loading though, thtas going to drive me insane07:19
TheMusoI hope they did the right thing by turning it on for everybody.07:19
Jucatoooooh shiny new launchpad07:20
Jucatoroflmao!!! help.launchpad.net is... :D07:21
crimsunholy hackergotchi stretch, batman07:21
ajmitchJucato: hm?07:22
Jucatoroflmao :)07:22
ajmitchJucato: I don't see the humour07:22
Jucatoajmitch: nothing I didn't realize it was an unthemed moinmoin :)07:22
Jucato(the roflmao was for the hackergotchi)07:23
Jucato(the 2nd one)07:23
imbrandonmoins all07:23
ajmitchhi imbrandon 07:23
Jucatomoin imbrandon07:23
ajmitchcrimsun: nicely stretched 07:24
LaserJockI put my old hackergotchi back up07:24
Kamping_Kaiserlol. your right, there is some stretch happening07:24
=== Jucato just only saw help.LP.net today... and didn't know why it was that way..
imbrandoni've had the same one forever07:25
Jucatohm... fancy help side panel...07:25
=== Jucato wonders how they made that...
TheMusohackergotchis.... pfft07:25
LaserJockTheMuso: some people appreciate them, I dunno07:26
Kamping_KaiserJucato, the one taht says "Sorry, help isnt available for this page."? :P07:26
JucatoKamping_Kaiser: for which page?07:26
Kamping_KaiserJucato, faq :P07:27
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Jucatoah heh :)07:27
imbrandonwhoops fujitsu's python majic dosent like the beta interface :)07:27
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LaserJockheh, this is funny to see people seeing Beta for the first time07:28
imbrandonLaserJock, hehe yea 07:29
Kamping_Kaiserhm. no help on homepages either :/07:29
imbrandonwhen did they roll out? i dident notice since i've had it for a while now07:29
crimsunabout 30 mins ago, if you meant beta.LP going public07:29
imbrandoncrimsun, yup07:29
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LaserJockman, I bet my LP bug mailboxes are going to get pretty busy :-)07:36
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Jucatopretty LP :)07:37
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LaserJockwell, this should mean some things I've been wanting to land have finally made it07:37
Jucatoor in this case, to "launch" :)07:38
LaserJocktag preloading and search by bug contact should be in now07:38
crimsunyanno, if I could see, in ~/+bugs , those subscribed/assigned bugs for which teams I'm also in, I could just killfile all these LP emails07:39
ajmitchLaserJock: yay!07:40
LaserJockwell, I did get ~/+bugs to show both assigned and subscribed bugs07:44
LaserJockhmm, it would have been good if they could have automatically scaled the hackergotchis07:47
don_jFinally it workd :)07:47
imbrandonugh screenscaping sucks07:48
LaserJockimbrandon: no kidding, what do you need?07:49
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ajmitchsince there are no decent photos of me07:49
LaserJockI took one with the iSight thingy on my iMac at work07:50
LaserJockthat's all I could come up with07:50
imbrandonLaserJock, i'm trying to adapt the users script that Fujitsu made for the c-b-n07:51
imbrandonand for some reason its only returning 2 users ;)07:51
imbrandoncommunity build network07:51
don_jnow I got a conflict  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gst-xmllaunch-0.10', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-tools07:52
imbrandonafter i fix this , since beta is rolled out i'll poke the LP guys to get a real xml-rpc interface07:52
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ajmitchso that we can use sbuild :)07:52
imbrandondon_j, seems to be pretty self explinitory07:53
imbrandonajmitch, right on, yeqa07:53
don_jimbrandon: can you hint me to solve it?07:53
imbrandonremove the dupe file from the package where it dosent belong 07:54
don_jimbrandon: by changing some configuration switch?07:55
imbrandone.g. /usr/bin/gst-xmllaunch-0.10 cant be in your package and -tools unless yours replaces/provides -tools07:55
jmlimbrandon: just make sure we know what a real xml-rpc is supposed to look like :)07:56
imbrandonjml, :)07:56
imbrandon /whois jml 07:57
imbrandonerr whoops07:57
jmlimbrandon: that's a pretty deep question, I wouldn't expect Freenode to be able to answer it very well :)07:57
imbrandonhahah :) right on07:58
don_jimbrandon: thats exactly why I, in the first place, told you to update it heh cuz it seems you are cutting the app. in your own prefered way07:58
imbrandondon_j, excuse me ? sorry i dont follow?07:58
don_jimbrandon: not you but the the gst maintainer07:59
imbrandonhrm ok, i'm sorry i dont know what your trying to do exactly so i'm still not following completely, but ok07:59
RAOFHey jml :)08:00
don_jimbrandon: Im trying to erect the new totem...08:00
jmlRAOF: hey.08:00
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RAOFdon_j: Ok, finally.  What do you mean by the "new totem"?  2.18.0?08:01
jmlRAOF: I'm not here to do any packaging, just making sure I'm hanging around LP users :)08:01
don_jRAOF: yes08:01
RAOFdon_j: That's in Feisty.  There's no need.;08:01
imbrandonjml, you've come to the right place then :)08:01
imbrandondon_j, its already in feisty08:02
don_jRAOF: why isn't it in the 'std' repository then?08:02
imbrandonjml, can i bug you later about some xml-rpc stuff ? ( not sure your normal operating hours )08:03
imbrandondon_j, std?08:03
jmlimbrandon: I'm on the Australia east coast. Please feel free to bug me.08:03
RAOFBy "std" you mean Edgy's (or Ubuntu 6.10's) repositories?  The reason is the Edgy has been *released*08:03
don_jimbrandon: the one configure with ubuntu08:03
don_jimbrandon: configured08:03
jmlimbrandon: probably the best place to bug me about that is in #launchpad though. 08:03
imbrandondon_j, it is once feisty is released, if you mean why isnt it backported to edgy ( not on by default ) its because thats been released already08:04
don_jcan I just add the Feitsy then?08:04
imbrandonsure you can upgrade to feisty, its not released yet but its there to use 08:05
don_jimbrandon: by adding that repository?08:06
RAOF!upgrade | don_j 08:06
ubotudon_j: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes08:06
superm1imbrandon, u there?08:09
don_jmaybe I should just copy the Live Fietsy image to a smart-card and so it that way instead then08:09
imbrandonsuperm1, yup, and i'll have you fixed up before the nights over, i'm working on it now08:09
superm1imbrandon, thx :)08:09
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RAOFdon_j: #ubuntu+1 is probably where you want to go for advice/comments on Feisty installation/use.08:12
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don_jbtw may I suggest to put ncftp in the repositories?08:15
RAOFYou may, but it's already in there.08:15
don_jin Feisty too?08:16
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crimsun!info ncftp feisty08:17
ubotuncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.0-1 (feisty), package size 483 kB, installed size 1092 kB08:17
crimsun!info ncftp08:17
ubotuncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.1.9-1 (edgy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1020 kB08:17
crimsunanswer your question?08:17
imbrandonugh who the hell thought it was a good idea to put n-m in a server install08:17
crimsunn-m is tolerable; avahi-autoipd is becoming intolerable08:18
imbrandonAND have it restart networking before its configured from a remote ssh session ?08:18
jussi01can someone tell me how to change the color of the screen behind the gnome splash at boot?08:18
Lathiatcrimsun: whats wrong with avahi-autoipd?08:18
don_jmy installation must be a dapper then08:18
crimsunimbrandon: oh, I strip n-m from server installs08:19
imbrandoncrimsun, i do too, untill i just dist-upgraded it and it must be in one of the seeds now08:19
crimsunLathiat: I don't think it's avahi-autoipd; I think it's our networking hooks08:19
don_j!info ircp08:20
ubotuircp: Utility for "beaming" files via IRDA. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-2 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB08:20
imbrandonSetting up network-manager (0.6.4-6ubuntu4) ...08:20
imbrandon * Reloading system message bus config...08:20
imbrandon   ...done.08:20
imbrandon * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager08:20
imbrandon... and aurora is now unreachable08:20
crimsunLathiat: for instance, across three different networks, there are dhcp servers that are notoriously crappy with providing leases in a timely manner, which means I get an 169.foo nondeterministically08:20
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Lathiatcrimsun: well it sounds like your DHCP is timing out08:21
Lathiatcrimsun: it'd break in any case...08:21
Lathiatcrimsun: you just wouldnt have an IP at all.08:21
LaserJockimbrandon: yeah, gotta watch out for n-m on remote machines :(08:21
LaserJockI did that the other day08:21
crimsunLathiat: yes, that's part of the issue. I'm having this problem across _all_ networks, however, on both dist-upgraded installs and fresh 7.04 Beta installs08:22
crimsunLathiat: meaning I nondeterministically get a 169.foo even if I actually do see a dhcp lease08:22
Lathiatcrimsun: ah, interesting.08:22
imbrandoni wonder if i have someone reset that box if it will come back, it has a static in the /etc/network/interfaces08:23
Lathiatit shouldnt break anything tho08:23
imbrandonso i dont have to drive out there08:23
don_j!info mplayer08:27
ubotumplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3461 kB, installed size 8624 kB08:27
don_jyou guys rocks!08:27
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don_jhow do I get the source packages for the default idle-screens?08:42
imbrandonapt-get source <package>08:42
Hobbseefigure out the package name, apt-get source packagename.08:43
imbrandonheya gurl, how goes it08:43
crimsunfunny, I actually executed /wi gurl08:43
ajmitchimbrandon: yeah that's crap08:45
ajmitch(about aurora going byebye)08:45
ajmitchI had the same thing with my box at home yesterday, and it's a static eth0 config08:45
imbrandonyea its all good now, i had the tech at the other place reset it to bring it back up08:46
imbrandonyea its shitty08:46
ajmitchifup eth0 would do it08:46
ajmitchbut NM had to go & kill it08:46
imbrandonwell they would requite i make an account for them or give them mine08:46
LaserJockyou'd think they'd get rid of n-m for at least the server seed08:47
imbrandonso i just had him power cycle it , it came back ok though08:47
ajmitchonly hand out root to people you know & trust08:47
ajmitchlike random people in NZ ;)08:47
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imbrandonno one has root but you and me08:47
LaserJockI don't think ajmitch is random08:47
LaserJockalthough he is in NZ08:47
LaserJockwhich is close08:47
ajmitchfoolish people, trusting me08:48
imbrandonyea thats why i had them power cycle it , and not give them a passwd08:48
imbrandonanyhow its back now, brb smoke break08:48
crimsun(oh crap, a mini-ajmitch sitting in /usr/lib/f-spot/libfspot.so.0.0.0 !)08:49
imbrandonbtw ajmitch got a sec for some python ? i made a few minor mods to the lpusers script from Fujitsu to work with beta , but for some reason its only returning 2 users now08:49
imbrandonif you have time to look its in /home/imbrandon/lpusers.py ( on aurora )08:50
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LaserJockyou need spares?08:50
ajmitcha terminal for each box I login to, and then run screen on each :)08:51
don_jglsnake.c ;)08:52
siretartmorning folks08:52
crimsunmm, I like how the new LP bug emails list the reason for receiving the emails at the bottom08:52
ajmitchhey siretart 08:52
ajmitchcrimsun: that's finally useful08:52
siretarthi ajmitch, crimsun, imbrandon!08:52
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imbrandonheya siretart 08:54
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imbrandoni really should invest in a sshable powerstrip ;)08:56
ajmitchyep :)08:56
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imbrandonwith 24 hours staff on jabber though its nice , almost as good as a sshable powerstrip ;)08:58
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imbrandonkinda like powercycle over jabber ;)08:58
ajmitchimbrandon: so has the new beta UI screwed up the script?08:58
imbrandonyea a tad08:59
imbrandon---> other chan08:59
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imbrandonhello pef 09:07
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dholbachgood morning09:25
dholbachhey ajmitch09:25
ajmitchhow are you?09:25
imbrandonheya dholbach 09:25
dholbachhey imbrandon09:25
dholbachgood good - how are y'all?09:25
dholbachhow was your WE?09:25
ajmitchgood, was visiting family09:26
ajmitchhow about your weekend?09:26
imbrandongood, i'm finaly off weekends and on a normal schedule at work after 6 months ;)09:27
imbrandonso its time to start crankin hard for me and ubuntu ;)09:27
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imbrandon( or atleaste getting some sleep )09:28
imbrandonajmitch, rockin09:28
ajmitchyeah, one of which would involve a bit of ubuntu work09:28
ajmitchthe other being sysadmin of (mainly) debian boxes09:28
ajmitchyeah, I'm considering it09:30
dholbachvery good - beautiful weather in berlin, lots outside, so I'm happy :)09:31
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imbrandondholbach, cool, yea it is here too, been 70 F to 75 F here all week09:33
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TheMusoVery nice time of year here in Australia/Sydney. Warm days, but cool nights.09:33
imbrandondholbach, you see the new LP 1.0 got rolls out for the general public tonight ?09:34
TheMusoIsn't it a public beta?09:35
dholbachoh yeah09:35
imbrandonTheMuso, nah its for everyone now09:35
ajmitchhence "public"09:35
imbrandonheh well yea 09:35
imbrandonbut a website you cant exactly install an "old version" as a user09:36
imbrandonso its rolled09:36
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Lureimbrandon: did you have time to look into bug 75435 debdiff?11:15
ubotuMalone bug 75435 in digikam "Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible.  Was: usdigikam expects trash to be in ~/Desktop/Trash - causes error in Ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7543511:15
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imbrandonLure, i thought keescook did them both, i'll get it right now11:25
Lureimbrandon: nope, he did just gtk-qt-engine11:25
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Lureimbrandon: thanks11:25
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imbrandonLure, uploaded11:36
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crimsunsorry, I don't have ops in -devel11:43
crimsunI believe fabbione and keybuk do, however11:43
crimsunyou really want an ircop, though11:43
crimsunimbrandon, jenda, nalioth, etc.11:43
imbrandonworking on it, i dont seem to either11:43
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gnomefreaknone of the normal ops have ops in devel11:51
gnomefreakmaybe Sevea^s11:51
imbrandonwell freenode staff wasent on the list either so i couldent even op that way ( nor could others )11:52
imbrandonwithout operserv access that is :)11:52
FujitsuSevea^s could have, as he should know the password, and can tell Freenode staff to do stuff.11:53
imbrandonFujitsu, imbrandon , jenda , RichH all are freenode staff heheh but without @freenode/staff/* on the list its kinda hard to op up without opersev access ( not all staff have that )11:54
BugMaNsomeone can control this patch (its my second patch ever) malone #9632611:54
ubotuMalone bug 96326 in php-html-template-it "[UNMETDEPS]  php-html-template-it has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9632611:55
Fujitsuimbrandon: You're staff!?11:55
imbrandonFujitsu, yes , have been for a few months now :)11:55
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FujitsuI knew of the last two.11:55
TheMusoimbrandon: Wow!11:55
crimsunI think I knew of imbrandon being staff before I knew of jenda being staff11:56
imbrandonyea i was about 2 months before jenda iirc ( not that it really matters )11:56
crimsunerr, nautilus just exploded copying a 4.5 GB mkv onto FAT32.11:56
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imbrandonfat32 dosent like files bigger than 4GB does it ?11:57
TheMusoFAT32 is 2GB afaik.11:57
imbrandoni knew it was something like that11:58
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TheMusoLovely. Apt-file can't be installed.12:35
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gnomefreakon feisty?12:36
TheMusognomefreak: Yeah.12:37
gnomefreakit works here if you use apt-file :)12:37
gnomefreakill tell you for sure in like a minute12:38
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TheMusoHang on, I'll run apt-get update again12:38
gnomefreakSetting up apt-file ( ...12:38
TheMusoYeah ok.12:39
TheMusoProbably newer deps or something.12:39
gnomefreakif you used capped A than it will fail12:39
TheMusoNo I didn't.12:39
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TheMusoOk probably to do with the fact that I hada broken package partially installed. :)12:40
gnomefreakcould be12:42
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Lureimbrandon: ta12:52
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mr_pouithi pochu 01:08
TheMusoHey pochu.01:08
pochuhey mr_pouit01:08
pochuhi TheMuso :)01:08
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DarkSun88Hi all01:39
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sacaterdoes anyone here know who maintains the 'vegastrike' package01:44
imbrandonsacater, is it in main or universe ?01:44
FujitsuUniverse, I believe.01:44
Fujitsu!info vegastrike feisty01:44
Fujitsusacater: Why?01:44
ubotuvegastrike: A 3d space combat game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 4801 kB, installed size 12272 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc sparc mips mipsel s390 alpha arm ia64 hppa amd64 ppc64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)01:44
imbrandonthen MOTU does :)01:44
imbrandononly avil for 500 arches, classic01:45
StevenKIt doesn't list hurd-i386 :-P01:45
ajmitchpoor bddebian01:46
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sacaterFujitsu: just interested01:50
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FujitsuHi jekil.02:17
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TheMusoLutin: Sorry, I just fixed a bug, that I realised was assigned to you only after I uploaded a fix.02:20
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RAOFWow, the X server really hates the braid screensaver.02:30
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TheMusoNight folks.02:39
pochugood night TheMuso!02:40
Hobbseenight TheMuso 02:42
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BugMaNsomeone can check this diff, its my first "merge"... maybe i make some mistakes... thanks -> Malone #10189303:29
crimsunbug 10189303:30
Jucatobot down :)03:30
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BugMaNMalone bug 101893 in asp "please merge asp 1.8-6 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10189303:31
crimsunaside from trivial whitespace formatting, looks fine03:32
BugMaNcrimsun: wow :)03:32
StevenKOh damn, bug numbers have hit 6 digits.03:32
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crimsunah, that's buggered.03:33
crimsunBugMaN: the merge needs to maintain the original debian/changelog entry from -6, and you'd add to that the ubuntu changes -> -6ubuntu103:34
BugMaNcrimsun: ah ok03:34
BugMaNcrimsun: then only maintener change03:35
crimsunBugMaN: yes.03:35
BugMaNcrimsun: i remake the debdiff :-)03:35
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ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre03:40
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BugMaNcrimsun: i remake the debdiff it's correct?03:47
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BugMaNcrimsun:maybe i make another error, tomorrow i remake debdiff... bye03:54
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bddebianHeya gang04:27
imbrandonhey bddebian 04:28
bddebianHi imbrandon04:28
Jucatohi bddebian, hi imbrandon04:28
bddebianHi Jucato04:28
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chillywillywhere can I download the latest bazaar?04:44
chillywillyI know I saw somewhere where jbailey had made some packages04:44
chillywillycan't find it now04:44
Nafallochillywilly: bazaar-vcs.org has a repo. feisty has the latest aswell.04:45
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tepsipakkifor motu-uvf: bug 10192204:57
tepsipakkiso, ubotu is having a day off ;)04:58
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tepsipakkicrimsun: thanks!05:01
Jucatogood day/evening! currently trying to learn how to package (and probably become a MOTU?) and keeping a sort of journal of what I'm learning on my blog. I have a list questions, found the answers, but I'm a bit stumped on 2 of them. 05:03
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Jucato1. What is the bare/lowest minimum requirement, in terms of Linux knowledge, does need in learning how to package?05:05
Jucato2. How do you test a package you built w/ pbuilder? Test in terms of "it installs properly" and "it runs properly/doesn't crash"05:06
crimsun1 -> You need to know what Linux is.05:06
crimsun2 -> See pbuilder hooks. Test install/remove/upgrade at the _very_ least. Testing execution is preferred.05:07
HobbseeJucato: 1.  + knowledge of how to use man 05:07
Hobbsee(seeing as google isnt a linux-only thing)05:07
Jucatohehe of course other than knowing what linux is. I mean, compiling from source, directories, bash stuff, etc? what do most MOTU's presume you know already?05:07
zul  /win 1005:07
Jucatocrimsun: using pbuilder hooks, I can install and run the package? full GUI? (/me doesn't know the proper terms)05:08
HobbseeJucato: any of that is good.  any of that you build on.  if you dont have bits of them, you pick it up05:08
Jucatohm... ok... :)05:09
JucatoHobbsee: serious about the use of man? :D05:10
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HobbseeJucato: :D05:11
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Hobbseeman foo works just fine05:13
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Jucatoman:/foo works even better :D05:13
Hobbseetrue that05:15
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Toadstoolg'morning everybody05:53
bddebianHeya Toadstool05:53
Toadstoolhi bddebian 05:54
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_MMA_Im sorry. OT but just too funny not to share: http://ninjapants.org/files/can%20you%20defeat%20my%20wu%20tang%20style.gif06:20
dholbachslomo, ajmitch, siretart, crimsun: i cleaned up the motu-uvf bug lists - can you have another look too?06:23
bddebiandholbach: Yeah, kick someone to do the darn syncs will ya? ;-)06:27
bddebianHeya LaserJock06:29
LaserJockhi bddebian 06:33
LaserJock_MMA_: that is pretty darn funny06:34
bddebianThat is funny!06:36
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bddebiandholbach: Am I supposed to subscribe archive to that now? (i.e. splashy-themes) ??06:39
dholbachif it's a sync sure06:39
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bddebianOK, thx06:44
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Burgworkajmitch: poor fedora people, still struggling with zope and python 2.407:34
dexem_Hi, I'm trying to build OpenOffice.org, and I'm having problems... it says that zlib is not functional. I have correctly installed build dependencies packages so, what could be happening?07:34
enycdexem_: erm... have you "sudo apt-get build-dep {package}" for the relevant source pagckages?07:36
dexem_enyc: yes07:36
enycdexem_: oh yes... misread what you said ;-)07:36
enycdexem_: what is the error exactly ?07:37
enycdexem_: Ive never actually built openoffice.org myself... but done various other things... be helpful to others if you have the exact error07:37
dexem_checking for deflate in -lz... no07:37
dexem_configure: error: zlib not found or functional07:37
dexem_checking zlib.h usability... no07:38
dexem_checking zlib.h presence... yes07:38
dexem_checking for zlib.h... yes07:38
enycdexem_: thats weird... -lz  should load zlib headers... hrrm...07:38
enycdexem_: are you trying to beild stock-version rather than ubuntu-source  or a different version/architecture ??07:38
dexem_no, I'm using everything from ubuntu repositories (for my arch)07:39
mr_pouitwhe the latest revision of a package is 1.0-1build1, the next is 1.0-1build2 or 1.0-1ubuntu1?07:40
gnomefreakdoes apt-get source -b package build it?07:40
gnomefreakmr_pouit: i would say build07:41
mr_pouitgnomefreak: ok, thanks07:41
dexem_gnomefreak: I was using apt-build07:41
gnomefreakdexem_: feisty?07:41
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enycdexem_: notice that openoffice.org has problems with 64bit...  is this sorted now??07:43
dexem_I'm using 32 bits platform07:43
ogramr_pouit, that depends on the change 07:43
ogramr_pouit, -XbuildX should only be used for plain rebuilds without change ... -XubuntuX always if there is a change (the XubuntuX part is what triggers mom)07:44
mr_pouitogra: ok, so -1ubuntu1 (it is a debdiff for a .desktop)07:45
gnomefreakmr_pouit: most of time apt-cache policy packagename will giv eyou the installed version and newest version07:45
ogramr_pouit, right ... 07:46
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keescookajmitch: are there any good Ubuntu-specific "here's how to use SELinux" docs?  wiki.u.c only shows development notes08:03
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slytherincrimsun: ping08:16
gesersiretart: do you know why tauware.de sometimes takes 1-2 days to deliver u-u-s mails?08:16
slytherinajmitch: ping08:16
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siretartgeser: is it tiber.tauware.de or freiburg.tauware.de which takes so long?08:18
slytherinsiretart: ping08:19
siretartslytherin: no need to ping, I'm here08:20
slytherinsiretart: may I bug you for vote on a UVF bug? :-)08:20
siretartslytherin: bug?08:21
slytherinsiretart: bug 9515308:22
ubotuMalone bug 95153 in devede "Please sync to latest version 2.12 for feisty" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9515308:22
superm1keescook, is there going to be any chance at my patch for pvr150 blaster making it in - or is stuck from feature freeze?08:24
keescooksuperm1: I'm going to look at it today, I suspect it'll get in.  :)08:25
superm1keescook, cool, great :)08:25
superm1keescook, i'm still waiting on BenC to look over the kernel patch i made as well.  i'm not sure that will make it08:25
superm1keescook, considering kernel freeze is thursday08:25
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gesersiretart: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13555/ shows the received headers08:31
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siretartgeser: is it only today or when did you notice this first?08:42
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geserit happens now and then and only for some mails08:43
geserthe first time was some weeks ago08:43
siretarthm. I don't see anything strange here08:43
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geseraccording to my mailbox I see it since the beginning of march08:49
geserthe longest delay was 6 days: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:50:53 +0100 -> Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:40:41 +010008:50
geserit only happens once or twice a day08:51
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ajmitchkeescook: not terribly much info on that 09:06
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keescookajmitch: do you have any interest in writing something like that up?  I want to get selinux installed in a VM now, since I've got AppArmor in another.  :)09:08
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ajmitchkeescook: yeah, why not? :)09:13
ajmitchI'll try & add on another hour or two to the day09:13
keescookajmitch: Heh, cool.  I'm going to be collecting something similar for AppArmor, since I've gotten some training on how to use it now.  :)09:13
keescookagreed: too few hours.09:14
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ajmitchlucky you :)09:14
ajmitchI've just had chats with rjc & listened to him at lca09:14
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ajmitchoh I see crispin cowan had to write about apparmour on the list09:20
ajmitchthat's one thing that puts me off using it ;)09:20
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ajmitchwell, release is close09:31
ajmitchthat means we *really* have to get working09:32
geseris there a fixed date for the universe freeze?09:33
geserall I know is it's the last week before release09:33
ajmitchI can't recall if it was agreed on or not09:34
ajmitchwe'll find out soon :)09:34
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crimsunSp4rKy: I can't respond to queries. What's the bug #/issue?09:42
Sp4rKycrimsun: you're not registered ?09:43
Sp4rKycrimsun: no bug #, can you read my query ?09:43
crimsunyes, but I'm not identified, and I have no pressing desire to recover the password.09:44
boitonoI recently upgraded a server from dapper to edgy and one of the packages we rely on, otrs, was downgraded from 2.0.4 to 1.33~.  I found that otrs 1.33~ was added to the edgy repository and took the name otrs and otrs 2.0.4 was renamed otrs2. Why did this happen? Can anyone give me some more info?09:44
boitonoshould this be filed as a bug?09:44
crimsunSp4rKy: the reason I pinged you in here is precisely due to my reading your query.09:45
Sp4rKycrimsun: ok, so you remember me and my issue with sound ?09:46
crimsunno, I don't.09:46
crimsunI triage about 200 audio bugs per day.09:46
Sp4rKyok, so, 1 month ago09:46
Sp4rKyon a ACER Aspire 510009:46
Sp4rKyalsa doesn't works09:47
Sp4rKyonly oss09:47
Sp4rKyyou patch the kernel, but after update , always the same issue09:47
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bddebianboitono: I don't know the package but I would guess that they probably had some packages still depending on the older version 1.33 but wanted the newer version as well so they kept two seperate packages.09:50
welshbyteboitono: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367959 explains it09:50
ubotuDebian bug 367959 in wnpp "ITP: otrs2 -- Open Ticket Request System version 2" [Wishlist,Closed]  09:50
bddebianOr, there's that09:51
crimsunSp4rKy: you need to give me more info than that.09:51
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Sp4rKycrimsun: what do you want ?09:51
Sp4rKycrimsun: you asked me for a lot of output but i don't remember what at all09:51
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crimsunSp4rKy: http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh . Use --with-all09:53
Sp4rKyok :)09:53
boitonothat's all fine but ti breaks existing OTRS installations....09:53
Sp4rKycrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/42134709:54
boitonoAlso, I found the package seems to violate configuration file location policy by placing some of the config files in /usr/share/otrs/Kernel/Config/Files and not symlinking them09:55
crimsunSp4rKy: err, you're not using the latest publicly available kernel. Why not?09:55
Sp4rKyhu N09:55
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crimsunKernel release:    2.6.20-12-genericKernel release:    2.6.20-12-generic  <--09:56
crimsun(sorry for the dupe)09:56
Sp4rKyohh indeed09:57
Sp4rKyi upgrade :)09:57
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crimsunmmm, new udev has some shiny features10:00
crimsun'SYMLINKs may now have per-device priorities specified with OPTIONS="link_priority=100", removal of a device means that the symlink will be changed to point at the device with the next highest priority.'10:00
welshbyteboitono: sounds worthy of a bug report to me10:00
crimsunthis could well wipe out the audio device persistence issue10:01
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ajmitchcrimsun: is this new udev in feisty?10:06
crimsunajmitch: yep.10:06
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crimsunwell, at least siretart reported success10:10
ajmitchyeah, I haven't had time to reboot my system10:10
ajmitchwhich uses / on LVM on RAID10:10
siretartits not only udev, but it seems that my system is booting again10:10
crimsunnor me, keep getting accosted by audio bugs ;)10:10
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Sp4rKycrimsun: i just upgraded,and alsa works now :) really sorry to disturb you10:35
bddebianDon't let it happen again! :-)10:42
bddebianOnly I'm allowed to disturb him.10:42
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superm1imbrandon, any word on the acct?10:55
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TheMusoHey MOTUs.11:41
bddebianHeya TheMuso11:41
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bddebianLater folks11:53
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