[12:11] <crimsun> shawarma: well, the first point is rather moot, so we're really discussing the second...?
[12:12] <shawarma> crimsun: Why is the first point moot?
[12:12] <lupine_85> "moot" ~= "a given"
[12:13] <crimsun> shawarma: it's not the present interface that matters but the fact that there's no midi available by default
[12:13] <shawarma> lupine_85: Thanks.
[12:13] <crimsun> I believe a few bug reports are open that lament missing midi functionality OOTB
[12:14] <jdong> lupine_85: more like "No longer relevant/needing arguing."
[12:14] <jdong> or maybe I suck at assuming what moot means too :D
[12:14] <crimsun> (jdong has the gist of it)
[12:14] <lupine_85> if you want to get technical, it's a gathering where people agree on things
[12:14] <lupine_85> ;)
[12:15] <jdong> lupine_85: or the USA law term meaning circumstances changed to the point where it is no longer actionable to contest a point :)
[12:15] <shawarma> crimsun: Ok. Well, yes, I suppose we're discussing the second point, then.
[12:15] <jdong> but anyway, this is all... err.. moot.
[12:15] <lupine_85> :)
[12:15] <jdong> :)
[12:16] <crimsun> shawarma: so something for which it's worth creating a Feisty+1 spec would be providing midi functionality OOTB
[12:16] <shawarma> crimsun: Right.
[12:16] <crimsun> we load snd-seq by default as of Feisty anyhow, so simply having timidity seeded in desktop would resolve much of it
[12:16] <shawarma> crimsun: Yes, whether it's using timidity is secondary.
[12:17] <LaserJock> darn, I need to keep remembering it's April 1st
[12:17] <LaserJock> I almost had a heart attack reading about Martin Krafft getting kicked out of Debian ;-)
[12:17] <shawarma> crimsun: Precisely... That's why I'm wondering why it's not done already.
[12:18] <crimsun> shawarma: likely lack of resources
[12:19] <shawarma> crimsun: Possibly. I just expected a technical reason, but couldn't imagine what it'd be.
[12:19] <shawarma> crimsun: And since your the sound guru..
[12:20] <crimsun> nope, the closest thing to a technical "reason" would be bug 34831
[12:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 34831 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Hardlock of entire system (Dapper Flight 5)" [High,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34831
[12:20] <crimsun> that's precisely the reason I used the sledgehammer approach in alsa-driver (as of 1.0.13-1ubuntu1)
[12:21] <crimsun> one of the things on my plate for Feisty+1 is scrapping the entire asound.state saving/restoring, as the mixer interface is far too volatile (thanks, HDA!) to be useful
[12:22] <shawarma> I see.
[12:22] <crimsun> (yes, I have much _love_ for HDA.)
[12:23] <crimsun> in any case, if you want to file an MIR for timidity, feel free :)
[12:25] <DktrKranz> LaserJock, we discovered something about yesterday's php issue
[12:30] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: yes?
[12:31] <Fujitsu> crimsun, shawarma: Isn't timidity pretty useless without a soundfont? The size of those isn't insignificant.
[12:31] <shawarma> crimsun: Nah, I try to stay away from anything that has to do with sound.
[12:31] <DktrKranz> well, php-interbase and friends depends on a package in universe
[12:31] <shawarma> Fujitsu: freepaths is about 10 MB, I think.
[12:31] <shawarma> Fujitsu: freepats.
[12:31] <crimsun> shawarma: aww.
[12:31] <Fujitsu> 30MiB.
[12:31] <shawarma> Really? Shit.
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:32] <DktrKranz> so they were dropped accordingly
[12:32] <DktrKranz> it's the correct behaviour
[12:32] <LaserJock> bah, we have plenty of room on the CD;-)
[12:32] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: what do you mean?
[12:32] <crimsun> bah, just because edubuntu now has _2_ cds... ;-)
[12:32] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:32] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Damn you and your second CD.
[12:32] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:33] <LaserJock> we only put 200MB on it
[12:33] <LaserJock> I've got another 500MB to play with ;-)
[12:33] <crimsun> hey, another openoffice.org instance might fit...
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Hopefully we'll have maxima and co. on there next time.
[12:33] <DktrKranz> php-interbase could not be included into php5 (in main) because of a universe dependency
[12:34] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: right, but it shouldn't have just been dropped
[12:34] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What other choice was there?
[12:34] <LaserJock> make a package for it
[12:34] <Fujitsu> We have a few other similar situations.
[12:34] <DktrKranz> they had to be packaged as stand-alone packages
[12:34] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That requires a universe-based php5 as well...
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Or does it not need all of php5 to build?
[12:34] <LaserJock> no it doesn't
[12:35] <DktrKranz> anyway, there was some doubt about this procedure
[12:35] <LaserJock> well, it is tricky
[12:35] <LaserJock> but we shouldn't just abandon packages because they dep on Universe :(
[12:35] <DktrKranz> of course
[12:35] <DktrKranz> the main discussion was how to handle them
[12:36] <DktrKranz> since debian ships them in php5
[12:36] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: As I said, there are other cases of this... it'd be nice to fix that, though.
[12:36] <DktrKranz> we have some options
[12:36] <LaserJock> where was this discussed?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> The same with AAC support and stuff.
[12:36] <DktrKranz> here, this afternoon
[12:37] <LaserJock> ok, but it was dropped a while ago, right?
[12:37] <LaserJock> there should have been some discussion on ubuntu-devel or something
[12:37] <DktrKranz> it was dropped during autosync of php5 in october
[12:38] <LaserJock> it's annoying to loose packages that are depended on without any discussion
[12:38] <DktrKranz> (or when it happened, i didn't remind the exact date)
[12:38] <LaserJock> although I guess at the time the deps were php4
[12:38] <DktrKranz> you guess right
[12:39] <DktrKranz> StevenK proposed to include them in a "php5-universe" package
[12:40] <DktrKranz> but this way we should monitor php5 updates
[12:40] <Fujitsu> We really should be notified when archive people do that.
[12:40] <DktrKranz> and workload is quite high
[12:41] <Fujitsu> We already have a couple with universe/multiverse clones, like gtkpod.
[12:41] <DktrKranz> so there isn't an immediate solution 
[12:41] <DktrKranz> nor a bitesize one
[12:43] <DktrKranz> we could see if it is possible to promote firebird2
[12:43] <DktrKranz> but it requires time
[01:04] <geser> DktrKranz: promoting firebird2 would solve it for php-interbase but not for the other php modules (php-imap, php-mcrypt)
[01:06] <DktrKranz> that's right, checked
[01:10] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ok thanks for the update.
[01:27] <DktrKranz> good night :)
[01:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: they beat you constantly?
[01:29] <bddebian> Heh
[01:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey, you should be happy.  You are about to get rid of me. :-)
[01:34] <ajmitch> oh are we?
[01:36] <ajmitch> silly me, I thought you wanted your team membership renewed
[02:05] <LaserJock> darn Windows, I boot into XP to do taxes and it messes up the clock
[02:11] <joejaxx> :\
[02:12] <zul> teaches you a lesson to not to use xp
[02:12] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:12] <LaserJock> I wonder if the tax software would work in Wine
[02:12] <jmg> 1.25, 1.41, 1.43
[02:13] <LaserJock> it's stupid though, XP couldn't figure out daylight savings time
[02:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: It needs a patch
[02:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to renew it
[02:40] <LaserJock> bddebian: reply and say "please, pretty please, with a cherry on top!"
[02:40] <RAOF> Hi LaserJock :)
[02:41] <LaserJock> hi
[02:41] <LaserJock> brb, gotta reboot Windows for a sec for my wifes recipie program ;-)
[02:48] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you need to get her using gourmet
[02:48] <bddebian> LaserJock: I would have assumed some type of knowing whether I was wanted back or not I guess.  Though sistpoty kind of did that I guess.
[02:53] <LaserJock> bddebian: it's more if you want to be renewed
[02:53] <LaserJock> at least that was my understanding
[02:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: you renew it by the TB giving you a big tick
[02:56] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia 
[02:57] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[02:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: But what is the "process"?
[02:57] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well, it's a specific program on CD called "Million Recipies", not ones that she's put in
[02:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: sit back & relax, you've seen the MC thread
[02:58] <LaserJock> I *think* I installed it in Wine but it doesn't find the CD (it needs the CD)
[03:04] <ajmitch> alrighty then
[03:07] <joejaxx> :(
[03:07] <poningru> uhoh
[03:07] <poningru> then we're all in trouble
[03:08] <bddebian> w00t
[03:08] <bddebian> :)
[03:08] <joejaxx> :)
[03:08] <joejaxx> abacus ftw :)
[03:09] <joejaxx> hmm
[03:09] <joejaxx> i have finally found out another difference between vmware workstation and server
[03:09] <joejaxx> server does not have video capture capabilites
[03:09] <jdong> joejaxx: also multiple snapshot abilities
[03:09] <ajmitch> mmm, quad core chip...
[03:09] <poningru> joejaxx: also kernel utils
[03:10] <joejaxx> hmm i might have to switch back to workstation for this one
[03:15] <joejaxx> hmm
[03:20] <bddebian> woo hoo she lives
[03:21] <joejaxx> :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> that's useful
[03:22] <joejaxx> ajmitch: what version?
[03:23] <joejaxx> web, standard, enterprise, datacenter, storage?
[03:23] <ajmitch> it's not exactly relevant
[03:38] <zul> happy joy joy..
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> i seem to remember the way to ask for package inclusion changed recently. can someone point me where i need to look for details?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: ubuntu-motu ML
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, thanks :| i'll hope its in the archives :|
[06:26] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[06:26] <TheMuso> How goes uni?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso.  it goes, with lots of assignments
[06:27] <TheMuso> Don't remind me. :)
[06:28] <TheMuso> My uni days are still very fresh in my mind.
[06:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:28] <ajmitch> hi australians
[06:28] <TheMuso> Fun.
[06:28] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[06:28] <RAOF> Hey ajmitch.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato 
[06:32] <Jucato> RAOF: if you recalled my RAM problem in #ubuntu+1 yesterday, yeah it was a loose chip :/
[06:32] <RAOF> :)
[06:35] <crimsun> 03 - Upside Down.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 24.0 tag, MP3 encoding
[06:35] <crimsun> that's an interesting ID3 version
[06:35] <TheMuso> heh
[06:35] <ubotu> Debian bug 412513 in file "file: Typo in description of MP3 with ID3 v2.3 tag" [Minor,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/412513
[06:36] <TheMuso> Even with tracks it says some bits have uncorrected errors/skips.
[06:36] <TheMuso> Yet the track sounds perfect.
[06:36] <RAOF> Sandpapering your CD collection?
[06:36] <TheMuso> Must be a good drive as well.
[06:37] <RAOF> Probably.  I like cdparanoia too :)
[06:37] <TheMuso> RAOF: No, a CD I lent to someone and it wasn't treated very well.
[06:37] <RAOF> >:(
[06:37] <TheMuso> Actually, I didn't lend, someone else did without asking :S
[06:37] <TheMuso> Cool.
[06:37] <RAOF> Sadly I don't know a smily more angry than ">:("
[06:38] <crimsun> just use a pointy stick of doom
[06:38] <TheMuso> hahaha
[06:40] <don_j> hey hey
[06:40] <don_j> I'm trying to make a deb package but it aint workin' as expected
[06:40] <crimsun> sorry, I've got a magic pony
[06:42] <don_j> any package maintainers on the line?
[06:43] <TheMuso> Yeah there are many of us here. :)
[06:43] <don_j> cool
[06:43] <TheMuso> don_j: What exactly is the problem?
[06:43] <don_j> I can compile it the 'normal' way (./configure && make && make install) but when I invoke dpkg-buildpackage strange things seems to happen
[06:44] <TheMuso> don_j: Things? What things? Please give some more information.
[06:44] <don_j> its a fresh version of gstreamer
[06:45] <don_j> I'm tryin' to get the new totem erected
[06:46] <TheMuso> don_j: Please patebin any errors you are getting and I can then try to help you further.
[06:46] <TheMuso> pastebin even
[06:47] <don_j> some fresh version of GTK and glib is missing too
[06:49] <don_j> and I'm all new to this dpkg system so I thought you might wanted to do all the hard work
[06:50] <don_j> make[5] : *** [libgstspider.la]  Error 1
[06:50] <ajmitch> that misses the actual error
[06:50] <don_j> should I grep the errors or how do I do it?
[06:51] <don_j> libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../..//libxml2.la'  seems to be moved
[06:53] <don_j> Hobbsee: because it's to get a nicer ubuntu image instead of that buggy ol' totem version
[06:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: well since LP is down for maint, we likely have nothing to do
[06:53] <don_j> undefined reference to `g_type_ class_ref'
[06:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thought you were subscribed to bug lists
[06:54] <TheMuso> don_j: Did you use the original packaging data from the version of totem in Ubuntu?
[06:54] <crimsun> Hobbsee: pfft, subscribing to bug lists is for deities!?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> yes.  :P
[06:55] <don_j> not really; I'm runnin' the buildpackage too in a the source directory though
[06:56] <don_j> err. not really; I'm runnin' the buildpackage toot in the original source directory though
[06:57] <don_j> tool damnit
[06:58] <RAOF> don_j: Rather than playing 20 questions with you, why don't you try to summarize: (1) What you're trying to do, (2) how you are going about it, (3) pastebin the entire build-log, and optionally (4) why you're doing it in the first place :)
[06:59] <don_j> RAOF: cant you explain how to do it instead?
[06:59] <don_j> #1 I'm trying to update gstreamer
[07:00] <Hobbsee> don_j: that's documented in the packaging guide, for the most part.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> don_j: to explain everything about packaging, when a lot of it's documented anyway, is not terribly sensible w.r.t resource use
[07:01] <don_j> #2 I fetched the gstreamer-0.8.11.tar.gz from ftp.gnome.org
[07:01] <RAOF> Old school :)
[07:02] <don_j> RAOF: yeah
[07:02] <don_j> what log-file?
[07:03] <RAOF> don_j: Not a log file, the entire terminal output that occurs when you dpkg-buildpackage your package.
[07:03] <RAOF> However, Hobbsee has a better idea:
[07:03] <RAOF> You've read the packaging guide, right?
[07:03] <don_j> ./configure GST_LIBS=/usr/local/include/gstreamer-0.8/ GST_CFLAGS=/usr/local/include/gstreamer-0.8/gst/
[07:04] <RAOF> Nooo!  I didn't mean "paste here" I meant "pastebin"!
[07:04] <don_j> Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.12.0' but version of GLib is 2.10.3
[07:04] <don_j> but that was the ./configure totem step to show some perspective
[07:04] <RAOF> don_j: Isolated snippets don't really give any useful information.
[07:04] <RAOF> !packagingguide | don_j 
[07:04] <ubotu> don_j: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[07:05] <RAOF> You *have* read that, right?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> don_j: so you're building on an old release of gnome, giving us no real useful information, and expect us to hold your hand for every single step?  I think you're dreaming...
[07:05] <don_j> I've alread looked into all that but I still cant get into a deb package
[07:05] <Hobbsee> there's lots of stuff MOTU's already doing.
[07:06] <don_j> RAOF: what's the new version of gstreamer then?
[07:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: may I quote you on that? :)
[07:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sure.
[07:07] <Jucato> :D
[07:07] <don_j> Hobbsee: It;s for your own best man
[07:07] <don_j> Hobbsee: I could just skip all the debianization steps
[07:07] <Hobbsee> don_j: how?  
[07:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: j/k... but I'll be mentioning it in my blog :)
[07:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not a bad idea, actually.  for an explanation on how to start doing MOTU-type stuff, and what you need
[07:08] <don_j> Hobbsee: by not using that dpkg-buildpackage too
[07:08] <don_j> tool
[07:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: that's what I'm planning to do with my MOTU series of blog posts :)
[07:09] <RAOF> don_j: It might be worthwhile testing out that supposition.  You'll get the same errors trying to configure that manually, too.  Unless you can build the source normally, you can't expect dpkg-buildpackage to magically fix things.
[07:10] <don_j> RAOF: It works when I build it manually
[07:10] <don_j> at least totem doesnt complain after I build gst manually
[07:11] <Hobbsee> but it doesnt when you use debian packaging, for some unknown reason, which you dont think is important enough to tell us, only the stuff around it.  yay.
[07:11] <don_j> Hobbsee: What log file?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> don_j: the build log
[07:11] <RAOF> Also, I don't see how this will help Ubuntu.  Gstreamer0.8 hasn't been used in Ubuntu since Dapper (or was it Breezy?)
[07:12] <don_j> should I just pipe the output to a file?
[07:12] <don_j> RAOF: Whats the new version then?
[07:12] <RAOF> 0.10
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> the email https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001480.html asks to set to wishlist on 'needs packaging' bugs, but afaik most people cant - i know i cant. if theres another public location for that (say the wiki) could it be updated?
[07:15] <don_j> gstreamer-0.10.8.tar.gz then
[07:16] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: i'd presume that one would just omit that instruction, and do the rest.  
[07:16] <Hobbsee> (non-motu and people not in -qa cant)
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, i did, but non motus will be wanting to request packages, and the instructions will 'fail' for all of them. a simple 'note this can only be done by motus' would be fine
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: indeed.
[07:17] <RAOF> Oooh, launchpad's out of beta.  Cool!
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: seeing as it's a ML, it'd have to be copied to a wiki, seeing as most people wouldtn likely find the second message
[07:18] <LaserJock> RAOF: ?
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, i'm inclined to agree ;), but i didnt see it under MOTU/
[07:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: the new interface
[07:19] <RAOF> LaserJock: Head over to launchpad.net.  For me, everything now uses the beta interface, and I no longer have to strip "beta." from in front of all the links :)
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> those little menu things take their time loading though, thtas going to drive me insane
[07:19] <TheMuso> I hope they did the right thing by turning it on for everybody.
[07:20] <Jucato> ooooh shiny new launchpad
[07:21] <Jucato> roflmao!!! help.launchpad.net is... :D
[07:21] <crimsun> holy hackergotchi stretch, batman
[07:22] <ajmitch> Jucato: hm?
[07:22] <Jucato> roflmao :)
[07:22] <ajmitch> Jucato: I don't see the humour
[07:22] <Jucato> ajmitch: nothing I didn't realize it was an unthemed moinmoin :)
[07:23] <Jucato> (the roflmao was for the hackergotchi)
[07:23] <Jucato> (the 2nd one)
[07:23] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:23] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[07:23] <Jucato> moin imbrandon
[07:24] <ajmitch> crimsun: nicely stretched 
[07:24] <LaserJock> I put my old hackergotchi back up
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. your right, there is some stretch happening
[07:25] <imbrandon> i've had the same one forever
[07:25] <Jucato> hm... fancy help side panel...
[07:25] <TheMuso> hackergotchis.... pfft
[07:26] <LaserJock> TheMuso: some people appreciate them, I dunno
[07:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jucato, the one taht says "Sorry, help isnt available for this page."? :P
[07:26] <Jucato> Kamping_Kaiser: for which page?
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jucato, faq :P
[07:27] <Jucato> ah heh :)
[07:27] <imbrandon> whoops fujitsu's python majic dosent like the beta interface :)
[07:28] <LaserJock> heh, this is funny to see people seeing Beta for the first time
[07:29] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hehe yea 
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. no help on homepages either :/
[07:29] <imbrandon> when did they roll out? i dident notice since i've had it for a while now
[07:29] <crimsun> about 30 mins ago, if you meant beta.LP going public
[07:29] <imbrandon> crimsun, yup
[07:36] <LaserJock> man, I bet my LP bug mailboxes are going to get pretty busy :-)
[07:37] <Jucato> pretty LP :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> well, this should mean some things I've been wanting to land have finally made it
[07:38] <Jucato> or in this case, to "launch" :)
[07:38] <LaserJock> tag preloading and search by bug contact should be in now
[07:39] <crimsun> yanno, if I could see, in ~/+bugs , those subscribed/assigned bugs for which teams I'm also in, I could just killfile all these LP emails
[07:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yay!
[07:44] <LaserJock> well, I did get ~/+bugs to show both assigned and subscribed bugs
[07:47] <LaserJock> hmm, it would have been good if they could have automatically scaled the hackergotchis
[07:47] <don_j> Finally it workd :)
[07:48] <imbrandon> ugh screenscaping sucks
[07:49] <LaserJock> imbrandon: no kidding, what do you need?
[07:49] <ajmitch> since there are no decent photos of me
[07:50] <LaserJock> I took one with the iSight thingy on my iMac at work
[07:50] <LaserJock> that's all I could come up with
[07:51] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i'm trying to adapt the users script that Fujitsu made for the c-b-n
[07:51] <imbrandon> and for some reason its only returning 2 users ;)
[07:51] <LaserJock> c-b-n?
[07:51] <imbrandon> community build network
[07:52] <LaserJock> ah
[07:52] <don_j> now I got a conflict  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gst-xmllaunch-0.10', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-tools
[07:52] <imbrandon> after i fix this , since beta is rolled out i'll poke the LP guys to get a real xml-rpc interface
[07:52] <ajmitch> so that we can use sbuild :)
[07:53] <imbrandon> don_j, seems to be pretty self explinitory
[07:53] <imbrandon> wasup?
[07:53] <imbrandon> ajmitch, right on, yeqa
[07:53] <imbrandon> yea*
[07:53] <don_j> imbrandon: can you hint me to solve it?
[07:54] <imbrandon> remove the dupe file from the package where it dosent belong 
[07:55] <don_j> imbrandon: by changing some configuration switch?
[07:55] <imbrandon> e.g. /usr/bin/gst-xmllaunch-0.10 cant be in your package and -tools unless yours replaces/provides -tools
[07:56] <jml> imbrandon: just make sure we know what a real xml-rpc is supposed to look like :)
[07:56] <imbrandon> jml, :)
[07:57] <imbrandon>  /whois jml 
[07:57] <imbrandon> err whoops
[07:57] <jml> imbrandon: that's a pretty deep question, I wouldn't expect Freenode to be able to answer it very well :)
[07:58] <imbrandon> hahah :) right on
[07:58] <don_j> imbrandon: thats exactly why I, in the first place, told you to update it heh cuz it seems you are cutting the app. in your own prefered way
[07:58] <imbrandon> don_j, excuse me ? sorry i dont follow?
[07:59] <don_j> imbrandon: not you but the the gst maintainer
[07:59] <imbrandon> hrm ok, i'm sorry i dont know what your trying to do exactly so i'm still not following completely, but ok
[08:00] <RAOF> Hey jml :)
[08:00] <don_j> imbrandon: Im trying to erect the new totem...
[08:00] <jml> RAOF: hey.
[08:01] <RAOF> don_j: Ok, finally.  What do you mean by the "new totem"?  2.18.0?
[08:01] <jml> RAOF: I'm not here to do any packaging, just making sure I'm hanging around LP users :)
[08:01] <don_j> RAOF: yes
[08:01] <RAOF> don_j: That's in Feisty.  There's no need.;
[08:01] <imbrandon> jml, you've come to the right place then :)
[08:02] <imbrandon> don_j, its already in feisty
[08:02] <don_j> RAOF: why isn't it in the 'std' repository then?
[08:03] <imbrandon> jml, can i bug you later about some xml-rpc stuff ? ( not sure your normal operating hours )
[08:03] <imbrandon> don_j, std?
[08:03] <jml> imbrandon: I'm on the Australia east coast. Please feel free to bug me.
[08:03] <RAOF> By "std" you mean Edgy's (or Ubuntu 6.10's) repositories?  The reason is the Edgy has been *released*
[08:03] <don_j> imbrandon: the one configure with ubuntu
[08:03] <don_j> imbrandon: configured
[08:03] <jml> imbrandon: probably the best place to bug me about that is in #launchpad though. 
[08:04] <imbrandon> don_j, it is once feisty is released, if you mean why isnt it backported to edgy ( not on by default ) its because thats been released already
[08:04] <don_j> can I just add the Feitsy then?
[08:05] <imbrandon> sure you can upgrade to feisty, its not released yet but its there to use 
[08:06] <don_j> imbrandon: by adding that repository?
[08:06] <RAOF> !upgrade | don_j 
[08:06] <ubotu> don_j: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:07] <don_j> cool
[08:09] <superm1> imbrandon, u there?
[08:09] <don_j> maybe I should just copy the Live Fietsy image to a smart-card and so it that way instead then
[08:09] <imbrandon> superm1, yup, and i'll have you fixed up before the nights over, i'm working on it now
[08:09] <superm1> imbrandon, thx :)
[08:11] <don_j> s%/Fietsy/Feisty/g
[08:12] <RAOF> don_j: #ubuntu+1 is probably where you want to go for advice/comments on Feisty installation/use.
[08:13] <don_j> ok
[08:15] <don_j> btw may I suggest to put ncftp in the repositories?
[08:15] <RAOF> You may, but it's already in there.
[08:16] <don_j> in Feisty too?
[08:17] <crimsun> !info ncftp feisty
[08:17] <ubotu> ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.0-1 (feisty), package size 483 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[08:17] <crimsun> !info ncftp
[08:17] <ubotu> ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.1.9-1 (edgy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[08:17] <crimsun> answer your question?
[08:17] <imbrandon> ugh who the hell thought it was a good idea to put n-m in a server install
[08:18] <crimsun> n-m is tolerable; avahi-autoipd is becoming intolerable
[08:18] <imbrandon> AND have it restart networking before its configured from a remote ssh session ?
[08:18] <jussi01> can someone tell me how to change the color of the screen behind the gnome splash at boot?
[08:18] <Lathiat> crimsun: whats wrong with avahi-autoipd?
[08:18] <don_j> my installation must be a dapper then
[08:19] <crimsun> imbrandon: oh, I strip n-m from server installs
[08:19] <imbrandon> crimsun, i do too, untill i just dist-upgraded it and it must be in one of the seeds now
[08:19] <crimsun> Lathiat: I don't think it's avahi-autoipd; I think it's our networking hooks
[08:20] <don_j> !info ircp
[08:20] <ubotu> ircp: Utility for "beaming" files via IRDA. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-2 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[08:20] <imbrandon> Setting up network-manager (0.6.4-6ubuntu4) ...
[08:20] <imbrandon>  * Reloading system message bus config...
[08:20] <imbrandon>    ...done.
[08:20] <imbrandon>  * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager
[08:20] <imbrandon> ... and aurora is now unreachable
[08:20] <crimsun> Lathiat: for instance, across three different networks, there are dhcp servers that are notoriously crappy with providing leases in a timely manner, which means I get an 169.foo nondeterministically
[08:21] <Lathiat> crimsun: well it sounds like your DHCP is timing out
[08:21] <Lathiat> crimsun: it'd break in any case...
[08:21] <Lathiat> crimsun: you just wouldnt have an IP at all.
[08:21] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, gotta watch out for n-m on remote machines :(
[08:21] <LaserJock> I did that the other day
[08:22] <crimsun> Lathiat: yes, that's part of the issue. I'm having this problem across _all_ networks, however, on both dist-upgraded installs and fresh 7.04 Beta installs
[08:22] <crimsun> Lathiat: meaning I nondeterministically get a 169.foo even if I actually do see a dhcp lease
[08:22] <crimsun> s/lease/offer/
[08:22] <Lathiat> crimsun: ah, interesting.
[08:23] <imbrandon> i wonder if i have someone reset that box if it will come back, it has a static in the /etc/network/interfaces
[08:23] <Lathiat> it shouldnt break anything tho
[08:23] <imbrandon> so i dont have to drive out there
[08:27] <don_j> !info mplayer
[08:27] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3461 kB, installed size 8624 kB
[08:27] <don_j> you guys rocks!
[08:42] <don_j> how do I get the source packages for the default idle-screens?
[08:42] <imbrandon> apt-get source <package>
[08:43] <Hobbsee> figure out the package name, apt-get source packagename.
[08:43] <imbrandon> heya gurl, how goes it
[08:43] <crimsun> funny, I actually executed /wi gurl
[08:44] <imbrandon> heh
[08:44] <LaserJock> lol
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> wi?
[08:44] <crimsun> /whois
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh
[08:44] <TheMuso> heh
[08:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah that's crap
[08:45] <ajmitch> (about aurora going byebye)
[08:45] <ajmitch> I had the same thing with my box at home yesterday, and it's a static eth0 config
[08:46] <imbrandon> yea its all good now, i had the tech at the other place reset it to bring it back up
[08:46] <ajmitch> insanity
[08:46] <imbrandon> yea its shitty
[08:46] <ajmitch> ifup eth0 would do it
[08:46] <ajmitch> but NM had to go & kill it
[08:46] <imbrandon> well they would requite i make an account for them or give them mine
[08:46] <imbrandon> require*
[08:46] <ajmitch> ugh
[08:47] <LaserJock> you'd think they'd get rid of n-m for at least the server seed
[08:47] <imbrandon> so i just had him power cycle it , it came back ok though
[08:47] <ajmitch> only hand out root to people you know & trust
[08:47] <ajmitch> like random people in NZ ;)
[08:47] <imbrandon> no one has root but you and me
[08:47] <LaserJock> heh
[08:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:47] <LaserJock> I don't think ajmitch is random
[08:47] <LaserJock> although he is in NZ
[08:47] <LaserJock> which is close
[08:47] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:48] <ajmitch> foolish people, trusting me
[08:48] <imbrandon> yea thats why i had them power cycle it , and not give them a passwd
[08:48] <imbrandon> anyhow its back now, brb smoke break
[08:49] <crimsun> (oh crap, a mini-ajmitch sitting in /usr/lib/f-spot/libfspot.so.0.0.0 !)
[08:49] <crimsun> ;-)
[08:49] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:49] <imbrandon> btw ajmitch got a sec for some python ? i made a few minor mods to the lpusers script from Fujitsu to work with beta , but for some reason its only returning 2 users now
[08:50] <ajmitch> k
[08:50] <imbrandon> if you have time to look its in /home/imbrandon/lpusers.py ( on aurora )
[08:50] <LaserJock> you need spares?
[08:51] <ajmitch> sure
[08:51] <ajmitch> a terminal for each box I login to, and then run screen on each :)
[08:52] <don_j> glsnake.c ;)
[08:52] <siretart> morning folks
[08:52] <crimsun> mm, I like how the new LP bug emails list the reason for receiving the emails at the bottom
[08:52] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[08:52] <crimsun> 'lo
[08:52] <ajmitch> crimsun: that's finally useful
[08:52] <siretart> hi ajmitch, crimsun, imbrandon!
[08:54] <imbrandon> heya siretart 
[08:56] <imbrandon> i really should invest in a sshable powerstrip ;)
[08:56] <ajmitch> yep :)
[08:58] <imbrandon> with 24 hours staff on jabber though its nice , almost as good as a sshable powerstrip ;)
[08:58] <imbrandon> kinda like powercycle over jabber ;)
[08:58] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so has the new beta UI screwed up the script?
[08:59] <imbrandon> yea a tad
[08:59] <ajmitch> s/beta/1.0/
[08:59] <imbrandon> ---> other chan
[09:07] <pef> hello
[09:07] <imbrandon> hello pef 
[09:25] <ajmitch> dholbach!
[09:25] <dholbach> good morning
[09:25] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:25] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:25] <imbrandon> heya dholbach 
[09:25] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[09:25] <dholbach> good good - how are y'all?
[09:25] <dholbach> how was your WE?
[09:26] <ajmitch> good, was visiting family
[09:26] <ajmitch> how about your weekend?
[09:27] <imbrandon> good, i'm finaly off weekends and on a normal schedule at work after 6 months ;)
[09:27] <imbrandon> so its time to start crankin hard for me and ubuntu ;)
[09:27] <ajmitch> yay!
[09:27] <ajmitch> haha
[09:28] <imbrandon> lol
[09:28] <imbrandon> ( or atleaste getting some sleep )
[09:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch, rockin
[09:28] <ajmitch> yeah, one of which would involve a bit of ubuntu work
[09:28] <ajmitch> the other being sysadmin of (mainly) debian boxes
[09:29] <imbrandon> nice
[09:30] <ajmitch> yeah, I'm considering it
[09:31] <dholbach> very good - beautiful weather in berlin, lots outside, so I'm happy :)
[09:33] <imbrandon> dholbach, cool, yea it is here too, been 70 F to 75 F here all week
[09:33] <dholbach> nice
[09:33] <TheMuso> Very nice time of year here in Australia/Sydney. Warm days, but cool nights.
[09:34] <imbrandon> dholbach, you see the new LP 1.0 got rolls out for the general public tonight ?
[09:35] <TheMuso> Isn't it a public beta?
[09:35] <dholbach> oh yeah
[09:35] <imbrandon> TheMuso, nah its for everyone now
[09:35] <ajmitch> hence "public"
[09:35] <imbrandon> heh well yea 
[09:36] <imbrandon> but a website you cant exactly install an "old version" as a user
[09:36] <imbrandon> so its rolled
[09:36] <imbrandon> :)
[11:15] <Lure> imbrandon: did you have time to look into bug 75435 debdiff?
[11:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 75435 in digikam "Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible.  Was: usdigikam expects trash to be in ~/Desktop/Trash - causes error in Ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75435
[11:25] <imbrandon> Lure, i thought keescook did them both, i'll get it right now
[11:25] <Lure> imbrandon: nope, he did just gtk-qt-engine
[11:25] <imbrandon> kk
[11:25] <Lure> imbrandon: thanks
[11:25] <imbrandon> np
[11:36] <imbrandon> Lure, uploaded
[11:43] <crimsun> sorry, I don't have ops in -devel
[11:43] <crimsun> I believe fabbione and keybuk do, however
[11:43] <crimsun> you really want an ircop, though
[11:43] <crimsun> imbrandon, jenda, nalioth, etc.
[11:43] <imbrandon> working on it, i dont seem to either
[11:51] <gnomefreak> none of the normal ops have ops in devel
[11:51] <gnomefreak> maybe Sevea^s
[11:52] <imbrandon> well freenode staff wasent on the list either so i couldent even op that way ( nor could others )
[11:52] <imbrandon> without operserv access that is :)
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Sevea^s could have, as he should know the password, and can tell Freenode staff to do stuff.
[11:54] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, imbrandon , jenda , RichH all are freenode staff heheh but without @freenode/staff/* on the list its kinda hard to op up without opersev access ( not all staff have that )
[11:54] <BugMaN> hi
[11:54] <imbrandon> hello
[11:54] <BugMaN> someone can control this patch (its my second patch ever) malone #96326
[11:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 96326 in php-html-template-it "[UNMETDEPS]  php-html-template-it has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96326
[11:55] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: You're staff!?
[11:55] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, yes , have been for a few months now :)
[11:55] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[11:55] <Fujitsu> I knew of the last two.
[11:55] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Wow!
[11:56] <crimsun> I think I knew of imbrandon being staff before I knew of jenda being staff
[11:56] <imbrandon> yea i was about 2 months before jenda iirc ( not that it really matters )
[11:56] <crimsun> err, nautilus just exploded copying a 4.5 GB mkv onto FAT32.
[11:57] <imbrandon> fat32 dosent like files bigger than 4GB does it ?
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Heheheh.
[11:57] <TheMuso> FAT32 is 2GB afaik.
[11:58] <imbrandon> i knew it was something like that
[12:35] <TheMuso> Lovely. Apt-file can't be installed.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> on feisty?
[12:37] <TheMuso> gnomefreak: Yeah.
[12:37] <gnomefreak> it works here if you use apt-file :)
[12:38] <gnomefreak> ill tell you for sure in like a minute
[12:38] <TheMuso> Hang on, I'll run apt-get update again
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Setting up apt-file (2.0.8.2ubuntu1) ...
[12:39] <TheMuso> Yeah ok.
[12:39] <TheMuso> Probably newer deps or something.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> if you used capped A than it will fail
[12:39] <TheMuso> No I didn't.
[12:39] <TheMuso> Anyways
[12:40] <TheMuso> Ok probably to do with the fact that I hada broken package partially installed. :)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> could be
[12:52] <Lure> imbrandon: ta
[12:53] <imbrandon> np
[01:08] <pochu> heya!
[01:08] <mr_pouit> hi pochu 
[01:08] <TheMuso> Hey pochu.
[01:08] <pochu> hey mr_pouit
[01:08] <pochu> hi TheMuso :)
[01:39] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[01:44] <sacater> does anyone here know who maintains the 'vegastrike' package
[01:44] <imbrandon> sacater, is it in main or universe ?
[01:44] <Fujitsu> Universe, I believe.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> !info vegastrike feisty
[01:44] <Fujitsu> sacater: Why?
[01:44] <ubotu> vegastrike: A 3d space combat game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 4801 kB, installed size 12272 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc sparc mips mipsel s390 alpha arm ia64 hppa amd64 ppc64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:44] <imbrandon> then MOTU does :)
[01:45] <imbrandon> only avil for 500 arches, classic
[01:45] <StevenK> It doesn't list hurd-i386 :-P
[01:45] <imbrandon> lol
[01:46] <ajmitch> poor bddebian
[01:50] <sacater> Fujitsu: just interested
[02:17] <jekil> hello
[02:17] <Fujitsu> Hi jekil.
[02:20] <TheMuso> Lutin: Sorry, I just fixed a bug, that I realised was assigned to you only after I uploaded a fix.
[02:30] <RAOF> Wow, the X server really hates the braid screensaver.
[02:39] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[02:40] <pochu> good night TheMuso!
[02:42] <Hobbsee> night TheMuso 
[03:29] <BugMaN> someone can check this diff, its my first "merge"... maybe i make some mistakes... thanks -> Malone #101893
[03:30] <crimsun> bug 101893
[03:30] <Jucato> bot down :)
[03:30] <crimsun> bah
[03:30] <BugMaN> :)
[03:31] <BugMaN> Malone bug 101893 in asp "please merge asp 1.8-6 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101893
[03:32] <crimsun> aside from trivial whitespace formatting, looks fine
[03:32] <BugMaN> crimsun: wow :)
[03:32] <StevenK> Oh damn, bug numbers have hit 6 digits.
[03:32] <crimsun> hmm
[03:33] <crimsun> ah, that's buggered.
[03:34] <crimsun> BugMaN: the merge needs to maintain the original debian/changelog entry from -6, and you'd add to that the ubuntu changes -> -6ubuntu1
[03:34] <BugMaN> crimsun: ah ok
[03:35] <BugMaN> crimsun: then only maintener change
[03:35] <crimsun> BugMaN: yes.
[03:35] <BugMaN> crimsun: i remake the debdiff :-)
[03:39] <PhinnFort> !ping
[03:39] <PhinnFort> !java
[03:40] <ubotu> pong
[03:40] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[03:47] <BugMaN> crimsun: i remake the debdiff it's correct?
[03:54] <BugMaN> crimsun:maybe i make another error, tomorrow i remake debdiff... bye
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:28] <imbrandon> hey bddebian 
[04:28] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:28] <Jucato> hi bddebian, hi imbrandon
[04:28] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:44] <chillywilly> where can I download the latest bazaar?
[04:44] <chillywilly> I know I saw somewhere where jbailey had made some packages
[04:44] <chillywilly> can't find it now
[04:45] <Nafallo> chillywilly: bazaar-vcs.org has a repo. feisty has the latest aswell.
[04:57] <tepsipakki> for motu-uvf: bug 101922
[04:58] <tepsipakki> so, ubotu is having a day off ;)
[05:00] <crimsun> (commented)
[05:01] <tepsipakki> crimsun: thanks!
[05:03] <Jucato> good day/evening! currently trying to learn how to package (and probably become a MOTU?) and keeping a sort of journal of what I'm learning on my blog. I have a list questions, found the answers, but I'm a bit stumped on 2 of them. 
[05:05] <Jucato> 1. What is the bare/lowest minimum requirement, in terms of Linux knowledge, does need in learning how to package?
[05:06] <Jucato> 2. How do you test a package you built w/ pbuilder? Test in terms of "it installs properly" and "it runs properly/doesn't crash"
[05:06] <crimsun> 1 -> You need to know what Linux is.
[05:07] <crimsun> 2 -> See pbuilder hooks. Test install/remove/upgrade at the _very_ least. Testing execution is preferred.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: 1.  + knowledge of how to use man 
[05:07] <Hobbsee> (seeing as google isnt a linux-only thing)
[05:07] <Jucato> hehe of course other than knowing what linux is. I mean, compiling from source, directories, bash stuff, etc? what do most MOTU's presume you know already?
[05:07] <zul>   /win 10
[05:08] <Jucato> crimsun: using pbuilder hooks, I can install and run the package? full GUI? (/me doesn't know the proper terms)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: any of that is good.  any of that you build on.  if you dont have bits of them, you pick it up
[05:09] <Jucato> hm... ok... :)
[05:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: serious about the use of man? :D
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :D
[05:13] <Hobbsee> man foo works just fine
[05:13] <Jucato> man:/foo works even better :D
[05:15] <Hobbsee> true that
[05:53] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody
[05:53] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:54] <Toadstool> hi bddebian 
[06:20] <_MMA_> Im sorry. OT but just too funny not to share: http://ninjapants.org/files/can%20you%20defeat%20my%20wu%20tang%20style.gif
[06:23] <dholbach> slomo, ajmitch, siretart, crimsun: i cleaned up the motu-uvf bug lists - can you have another look too?
[06:27] <bddebian> dholbach: Yeah, kick someone to do the darn syncs will ya? ;-)
[06:29] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:33] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[06:34] <LaserJock> _MMA_: that is pretty darn funny
[06:36] <bddebian> That is funny!
[06:36] <_MMA_> :)
[06:39] <bddebian> dholbach: Am I supposed to subscribe archive to that now? (i.e. splashy-themes) ??
[06:39] <dholbach> if it's a sync sure
[06:44] <bddebian> OK, thx
[07:34] <Burgwork> ajmitch: poor fedora people, still struggling with zope and python 2.4
[07:34] <dexem_> Hi, I'm trying to build OpenOffice.org, and I'm having problems... it says that zlib is not functional. I have correctly installed build dependencies packages so, what could be happening?
[07:36] <enyc> dexem_: erm... have you "sudo apt-get build-dep {package}" for the relevant source pagckages?
[07:36] <dexem_> enyc: yes
[07:36] <enyc> dexem_: oh yes... misread what you said ;-)
[07:36] <dexem_> ;)
[07:37] <enyc> dexem_: what is the error exactly ?
[07:37] <enyc> dexem_: Ive never actually built openoffice.org myself... but done various other things... be helpful to others if you have the exact error
[07:37] <dexem_> checking for deflate in -lz... no
[07:37] <dexem_> configure: error: zlib not found or functional
[07:38] <dexem_> but
[07:38] <dexem_> checking zlib.h usability... no
[07:38] <dexem_> checking zlib.h presence... yes
[07:38] <dexem_> checking for zlib.h... yes
[07:38] <dexem_> :P
[07:38] <enyc> dexem_: thats weird... -lz  should load zlib headers... hrrm...
[07:38] <enyc> dexem_: are you trying to beild stock-version rather than ubuntu-source  or a different version/architecture ??
[07:39] <dexem_> no, I'm using everything from ubuntu repositories (for my arch)
[07:40] <mr_pouit> whe the latest revision of a package is 1.0-1build1, the next is 1.0-1build2 or 1.0-1ubuntu1?
[07:40] <mr_pouit> when*
[07:40] <gnomefreak> does apt-get source -b package build it?
[07:41] <gnomefreak> mr_pouit: i would say build
[07:41] <mr_pouit> gnomefreak: ok, thanks
[07:41] <dexem_> gnomefreak: I was using apt-build
[07:41] <gnomefreak> dexem_: feisty?
[07:42] <dexem_> yes
[07:42] <dexem_> dunno
[07:43] <enyc> dexem_: notice that openoffice.org has problems with 64bit...  is this sorted now??
[07:43] <dexem_> I'm using 32 bits platform
[07:43] <ogra> mr_pouit, that depends on the change 
[07:43] <enyc> kk..
[07:44] <ogra> mr_pouit, -XbuildX should only be used for plain rebuilds without change ... -XubuntuX always if there is a change (the XubuntuX part is what triggers mom)
[07:45] <mr_pouit> ogra: ok, so -1ubuntu1 (it is a debdiff for a .desktop)
[07:45] <gnomefreak> mr_pouit: most of time apt-cache policy packagename will giv eyou the installed version and newest version
[07:46] <ogra> mr_pouit, right ... 
[07:49] <illovae> hello
[08:03] <keescook> ajmitch: are there any good Ubuntu-specific "here's how to use SELinux" docs?  wiki.u.c only shows development notes
[08:16] <slytherin> crimsun: ping
[08:16] <geser> siretart: do you know why tauware.de sometimes takes 1-2 days to deliver u-u-s mails?
[08:16] <slytherin> ajmitch: ping
[08:18] <siretart> geser: is it tiber.tauware.de or freiburg.tauware.de which takes so long?
[08:19] <slytherin> siretart: ping
[08:20] <siretart> slytherin: no need to ping, I'm here
[08:20] <slytherin> siretart: may I bug you for vote on a UVF bug? :-)
[08:21] <siretart> slytherin: bug?
[08:22] <slytherin> siretart: bug 95153
[08:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 95153 in devede "Please sync to latest version 2.12 for feisty" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95153
[08:24] <superm1> keescook, is there going to be any chance at my patch for pvr150 blaster making it in - or is stuck from feature freeze?
[08:25] <keescook> superm1: I'm going to look at it today, I suspect it'll get in.  :)
[08:25] <superm1> keescook, cool, great :)
[08:25] <superm1> keescook, i'm still waiting on BenC to look over the kernel patch i made as well.  i'm not sure that will make it
[08:25] <superm1> keescook, considering kernel freeze is thursday
[08:31] <geser> siretart: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13555/ shows the received headers
[08:42] <siretart> geser: is it only today or when did you notice this first?
[08:43] <geser> it happens now and then and only for some mails
[08:43] <geser> the first time was some weeks ago
[08:43] <siretart> hm. I don't see anything strange here
[08:49] <geser> according to my mailbox I see it since the beginning of march
[08:50] <geser> the longest delay was 6 days: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:50:53 +0100 -> Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:40:41 +0100
[08:51] <geser> it only happens once or twice a day
[08:56] <siretart> wow
[09:05] <ajmitch> morning
[09:06] <ajmitch> keescook: not terribly much info on that 
[09:08] <keescook> ajmitch: do you have any interest in writing something like that up?  I want to get selinux installed in a VM now, since I've got AppArmor in another.  :)
[09:13] <ajmitch> keescook: yeah, why not? :)
[09:13] <ajmitch> I'll try & add on another hour or two to the day
[09:13] <keescook> ajmitch: Heh, cool.  I'm going to be collecting something similar for AppArmor, since I've gotten some training on how to use it now.  :)
[09:14] <keescook> agreed: too few hours.
[09:14] <ajmitch> lucky you :)
[09:14] <ajmitch> I've just had chats with rjc & listened to him at lca
[09:20] <ajmitch> oh I see crispin cowan had to write about apparmour on the list
[09:20] <ajmitch> that's one thing that puts me off using it ;)
[09:31] <ajmitch> well, release is close
[09:32] <ajmitch> that means we *really* have to get working
[09:33] <geser> is there a fixed date for the universe freeze?
[09:33] <geser> all I know is it's the last week before release
[09:34] <ajmitch> I can't recall if it was agreed on or not
[09:34] <ajmitch> we'll find out soon :)
[09:42] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: I can't respond to queries. What's the bug #/issue?
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: you're not registered ?
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: no bug #, can you read my query ?
[09:44] <crimsun> yes, but I'm not identified, and I have no pressing desire to recover the password.
[09:44] <boitono> I recently upgraded a server from dapper to edgy and one of the packages we rely on, otrs, was downgraded from 2.0.4 to 1.33~.  I found that otrs 1.33~ was added to the edgy repository and took the name otrs and otrs 2.0.4 was renamed otrs2. Why did this happen? Can anyone give me some more info?
[09:44] <boitono> should this be filed as a bug?
[09:45] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: the reason I pinged you in here is precisely due to my reading your query.
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: ok, so you remember me and my issue with sound ?
[09:46] <crimsun> no, I don't.
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> grrr
[09:46] <crimsun> I triage about 200 audio bugs per day.
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> yep
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> ok, so, 1 month ago
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> on a ACER Aspire 5100
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> alsa doesn't works
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> only oss
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> you patch the kernel, but after update , always the same issue
[09:50] <bddebian> boitono: I don't know the package but I would guess that they probably had some packages still depending on the older version 1.33 but wanted the newer version as well so they kept two seperate packages.
[09:50] <welshbyte> boitono: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367959 explains it
[09:50] <ubotu> Debian bug 367959 in wnpp "ITP: otrs2 -- Open Ticket Request System version 2" [Wishlist,Closed]  
[09:51] <bddebian> Or, there's that
[09:51] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: you need to give me more info than that.
[09:51] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: what do you want ?
[09:51] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: you asked me for a lot of output but i don't remember what at all
[09:53] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh . Use --with-all
[09:53] <Sp4rKy> ok :)
[09:53] <boitono> that's all fine but ti breaks existing OTRS installations....
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/421347
[09:55] <boitono> Also, I found the package seems to violate configuration file location policy by placing some of the config files in /usr/share/otrs/Kernel/Config/Files and not symlinking them
[09:55] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: err, you're not using the latest publicly available kernel. Why not?
[09:55] <Sp4rKy> hu N
[09:55] <Sp4rKy> ?
[09:56] <crimsun> Kernel release:    2.6.20-12-genericKernel release:    2.6.20-12-generic  <--
[09:56] <crimsun> (sorry for the dupe)
[09:57] <Sp4rKy> ohh indeed
[09:57] <Sp4rKy> i upgrade :)
[10:00] <crimsun> mmm, new udev has some shiny features
[10:00] <crimsun> 'SYMLINKs may now have per-device priorities specified with OPTIONS="link_priority=100", removal of a device means that the symlink will be changed to point at the device with the next highest priority.'
[10:00] <welshbyte> boitono: sounds worthy of a bug report to me
[10:01] <crimsun> this could well wipe out the audio device persistence issue
[10:06] <ajmitch> crimsun: is this new udev in feisty?
[10:06] <crimsun> ajmitch: yep.
[10:07] <ajmitch> useful
[10:10] <crimsun> well, at least siretart reported success
[10:10] <ajmitch> yeah, I haven't had time to reboot my system
[10:10] <ajmitch> which uses / on LVM on RAID
[10:10] <siretart> its not only udev, but it seems that my system is booting again
[10:10] <crimsun> nor me, keep getting accosted by audio bugs ;)
[10:35] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: i just upgraded,and alsa works now :) really sorry to disturb you
[10:35] <crimsun> np.
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> :)
[10:42] <bddebian> Don't let it happen again! :-)
[10:42] <bddebian> Only I'm allowed to disturb him.
[10:45] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[10:51] <bddebian> :)
[10:55] <superm1> imbrandon, any word on the acct?
[11:41] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:41] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso
[11:53] <bddebian> Later folks