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| Crell | Hi all. Can anyone recommend a good PHP 5.2 backport for Edgy? Unofficial is OK. I am running into various segfault issues with PHP 5.1.6 that are apparently "known issues fixed in later versions". :-/ | 04:16 |
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| foo | Yup :) | 04:19 |
| foo | One minute, let me grab it | 04:20 |
| foo | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all | 04:20 |
| foo | deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all | 04:20 |
| Crell | Isn't dotdeb a Debian repository? | 04:21 |
| Crell | I thought packages weren't portable. | 04:21 |
| foo | uh, hmm. One of the techs has used it on 4 of our production servers... 0 problems | 04:21 |
| Crell | I guess that's a good enough endorsement for me, for a development desktop. :-) | 04:23 |
| KurtKraut | Crell, installing debian packages in ubuntu should not be your first choice... but in your case, the only choice besides that is compiling PHP by yourself | 04:26 |
| Crell | Yeah, I'd rather mix repos than not use one at all. | 04:26 |
| Crell | I figure I'll be upgrading to Feisty within 6 weeks, but I have some version-sensitive work to do before then. :-) | 04:26 |
| Crell | Unfortunately, it looks like various extension packages are not included. Grrr. | 04:28 |
| KurtKraut | Crell, ... it seems that today is a happy day for compiling... ahahahah | 04:28 |
| === Crell grumbles and goes to trim packages he's not using. | ||
| KurtKraut | Crell, do you use apache or lighttpd ? | 04:29 |
| Crell | apache | 04:29 |
| KurtKraut | Crell, do you have any spare server where you can install Feisty ? | 04:30 |
| Crell | Not really. | 04:30 |
| Crell | Well, I've a closet full of stuff, some of which works, but I don't think that really counts. :-) | 04:30 |
| KurtKraut | Crell, you can install and run lighttpd in your production server, with no dist-upgrade | 04:31 |
| Crell | My experience with lighttpd is 0. One unknown at a time, please. :-) | 04:32 |
| KurtKraut | Crell, but in your servers local network, you can install a Feisty box, that comes with PHP 5.2.1 | 04:32 |
| KurtKraut | Crell, in lighttpd you can point the PHP interpreter that resides in other machine, inside your LAN | 04:32 |
| KurtKraut | Crell, lighttpd is easy as hell | 04:32 |
| KurtKraut | Crell, so you can have a newer PHP version running outside your production server | 04:33 |
| Crell | That's way too complicated for what I need... | 04:33 |
| KurtKraut | it is quite simple. Despite installing a Feisty box, it would be done with less than 5 commands | 04:34 |
| KurtKraut | pretty easy if you have compilingphobia :P | 04:34 |
| Crell | Yeah... I just aptituded what I need. I'll just restart apache now and see if it worked. :-) | 04:35 |
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| duri | hello I am thinking about moving some old redhat linux 9 boxes to the debian platform. could you guys explain to me what is the value add of ubuntu-server vs debian in the server environment ? thanks | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | right | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | ubuntu-server offers a fixed timeframe of support | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | debians is long but uncertain | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | ubuntu 6.06 will supported until June 2011 on the server | 05:37 |
| duri | good. that's a good point, one I was aware of ... what about packaging policies (i.e. how new versions are included in the updates and such). I would be moving to apt-get for the first-time and would like to understand what are the best strategies to avoid surprises on the server side | 05:39 |
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| genii | Anyone alive in here? | 06:15 |
| === genii sips a coffee and contemplates | ||
| === foo tells the genii, "It's going to be ok, you can install ubuntu server." | ||
| genii | Heh :) Thats not the immediate issue. I'm using apt-mirror but on the last round of updates it chinked out on me now , filled up a 40G hd whereas before it would go to 31G or so | 06:21 |
| foo | apt-get update and upgrade filled up 40G of space? | 06:22 |
| genii | No. apt-MIRROR | 06:22 |
| genii | I'm mirroring the dapper install | 06:23 |
| foo | ahhh, my bad. I'm not familiar with apt-mirror. | 06:23 |
| genii | So Im currently wondering; If I have a medium sized hd around how much more than 40Gb is the repo now? | 06:24 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | just dapper? shouldnt be more then 40 gig | 06:24 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hang on, i'll look it up | 06:24 |
| genii | Kamping_Kaiser: It already filled up a 40G :) | 06:26 |
| genii | I guess backports or so is the main hog | 06:26 |
| foo | Anyone in here have ubuntu on any dell 2950s | 06:26 |
| foo | ? | 06:26 |
| genii | foo I have it on some poweredge 2450 | 06:27 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | for dapper,dapper-updates,dapper-security,dapper-backports its 29.4 GB (on my setup) | 06:27 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | that was made with debmirror btw | 06:27 |
| foo | genii: Nice. Any big issues I should be concerned about? We might be getting some 2950s | 06:27 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | *updates his mirror* | 06:27 |
| genii | Kamping_Kaiser Hmm | 06:27 |
| genii | foo The SCSI floppy doesn't work but I can live without it | 06:28 |
| foo | hehe /me nods | 06:28 |
| genii | Kamping_Kaiser: Maybe I need to elimate some of the directories. I'm mirroring also the security updates | 06:29 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | genii, look what i listed | 06:29 |
| genii | (from security.ubuntu.com) | 06:29 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | -updates,-security-,and -backports | 06:29 |
| genii | Kamping_Kaiser: Hangon a bit, I'll pastebin my mirror.list . I have to ssh into my box, it will be a minute | 06:30 |
| genii | It could be I have redundant entries | 06:31 |
| genii | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13489/ | 06:33 |
| genii | Actually I see it now... bleh | 06:34 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i dont carry -proposed | 06:34 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | so i'm not sure how big it is | 06:34 |
| genii | maybe I'll eliminate the last 2 entries | 06:35 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | :) | 06:35 |
| genii | The first 2 commented-out entries are to get the netboot installer | 06:36 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | debmirror needs a way to handle d-i gracefully, its a shocker at it :/ | 06:37 |
| genii | Kamping_Kaiser: I have the mirror because I'm mass-installing here. I thought I'd update just before the next round of installs but then it chunked out | 06:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | genii, net installing? | 06:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i had to do a pretty big dose recently, but used mondo. rather netinst. myself | 06:39 |
| genii | Kamping_Kaiser: Yes. My preseed file does auto partition and packages then I leave the username part for manual right now | 06:39 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | what are you using for it? i looked heavily at a few options, but they were just to clunky | 06:40 |
| genii | I just installed one time to a system, put the packages on it I wanted. Then used debconf-get-selections to make a prototype preseed. Then I setup an old dual cpu Dell server to be the tftpboot box | 06:41 |
| genii | I have 24 headless machines which do an early-command of load and run sshd so then I ssh into them, set a user/passwd and it chugs along. It ejects the cdrom tray at the end so I know when it's done | 06:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | oh for crying out loud. LP is offline? | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | Kamping_Kaiser: yep! | 06:48 |
| ajmitch | for 15min or so | 06:48 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | ajmitch, ah, well i suppose i can handle that :) (but what timing ;||) | 06:51 |
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| genii | Bah still chunks out. Guess I'll remove all the deb-src entries too | 07:12 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | really? my mirror is 30 gig with source. | 07:13 |
| genii | Maybe I need to comment out all the lines except "clean" do that then uncomment just the absolute neccesary ones | 07:15 |
| genii | It's driving me nust cuz now I have a bunch of mixed packages | 07:15 |
| genii | nust=nuts | 07:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i havent used apt-mirror, does it store x number of revisisons deep? | 07:17 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i think debmirror only does 1, so that might be a problem | 07:17 |
| genii | I'm not exactly certain | 07:19 |
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| genii | Interesting.From Bambi-something to something-Kaiser | 11:15 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 11:19 |
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| ivoks | what do you think about changing debconf priority for ubuntu-server? | 02:19 |
| ivoks | and... changing default configs for some services (for example, vsftpd by default enables anonymous login, which i don't considera a good idea) | 02:19 |
| lionel | ivoks: looks like a good idea | 02:54 |
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| [miles] | guys | 05:22 |
| [miles] | anyone alive? | 05:22 |
| [miles] | ping ... | 05:22 |
| mralphabet | hola | 05:24 |
| [miles] | mralphabet: | 05:24 |
| [miles] | muy buenas | 05:24 |
| [miles] | mralphabet: any idea wtf my crondaily insists on emailing me to inform me that the ntp has adjusted the time by 3 seconds? | 05:25 |
| ivoks | [miles] : because it has output | 05:25 |
| [miles] | mmm but | 05:25 |
| [miles] | I'm dumping it to /dev/burninhell | 05:26 |
| [miles] | see /usr/sbin/ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org 2>/dev/null || exit 0 | 05:26 |
| ivoks | yeah, but that's for stderr, not stdout | 05:26 |
| ivoks | this is 'unwise' ting to do | 05:26 |
| [miles] | what? | 05:27 |
| ivoks | you will not know when there is a problem, and you will know when it works :) | 05:27 |
| ivoks | 2> is redirection for stderr | 05:27 |
| ivoks | not stdout | 05:27 |
| [miles] | it's both no? | 05:27 |
| ivoks | 1> is for stdout | 05:27 |
| ivoks | no | 05:27 |
| [miles] | &> | 05:27 |
| [miles] | shite | 05:27 |
| [miles] | it's that iirc now | 05:27 |
| ivoks | &> is all | 05:27 |
| [miles] | nod | 05:27 |
| [miles] | balls | 05:27 |
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| ivoks | and it's ntp.ubuntu.com | 05:28 |
| mralphabet | >> /dev/null 2>&1 | 05:28 |
| ivoks | >> is something else | 05:29 |
| [miles] | nod | 05:29 |
| ivoks | but 2>&1 is redirect 2 in 1 | 05:29 |
| [miles] | &> is both tho no? | 05:29 |
| [miles] | in one syntax | 05:30 |
| mralphabet | I believe so | 05:30 |
| [miles] | thanks guys | 05:30 |
| [miles] | ivoks: I've changed to ntp.ubuntu.com also | 05:30 |
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| [miles] | ciao todos | 05:45 |
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