=== jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === knix_ [n=knix@c-24-127-177-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === KurtKraut [n=ktk@unaffiliated/kurtkraut] has joined #ubuntu-server === Crell [n=Crell@c-71-228-13-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:16] Hi all. Can anyone recommend a good PHP 5.2 backport for Edgy? Unofficial is OK. I am running into various segfault issues with PHP 5.1.6 that are apparently "known issues fixed in later versions". :-/ [04:19] Yup :) [04:20] One minute, let me grab it [04:20] deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all [04:20] deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all [04:21] Isn't dotdeb a Debian repository? [04:21] I thought packages weren't portable. [04:21] uh, hmm. One of the techs has used it on 4 of our production servers... 0 problems [04:23] I guess that's a good enough endorsement for me, for a development desktop. :-) [04:26] Crell, installing debian packages in ubuntu should not be your first choice... but in your case, the only choice besides that is compiling PHP by yourself [04:26] Yeah, I'd rather mix repos than not use one at all. [04:26] I figure I'll be upgrading to Feisty within 6 weeks, but I have some version-sensitive work to do before then. :-) [04:28] Unfortunately, it looks like various extension packages are not included. Grrr. [04:28] Crell, ... it seems that today is a happy day for compiling... ahahahah === Crell grumbles and goes to trim packages he's not using. [04:29] Crell, do you use apache or lighttpd ? [04:29] apache [04:30] Crell, do you have any spare server where you can install Feisty ? [04:30] Not really. [04:30] Well, I've a closet full of stuff, some of which works, but I don't think that really counts. :-) [04:31] Crell, you can install and run lighttpd in your production server, with no dist-upgrade [04:32] My experience with lighttpd is 0. One unknown at a time, please. :-) [04:32] Crell, but in your servers local network, you can install a Feisty box, that comes with PHP 5.2.1 [04:32] Crell, in lighttpd you can point the PHP interpreter that resides in other machine, inside your LAN [04:32] Crell, lighttpd is easy as hell [04:33] Crell, so you can have a newer PHP version running outside your production server [04:33] That's way too complicated for what I need... [04:34] it is quite simple. Despite installing a Feisty box, it would be done with less than 5 commands [04:34] pretty easy if you have compilingphobia :P [04:35] Yeah... I just aptituded what I need. I'll just restart apache now and see if it worked. :-) === duri [n=mduregon@67.170.176.126] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:36] hello I am thinking about moving some old redhat linux 9 boxes to the debian platform. could you guys explain to me what is the value add of ubuntu-server vs debian in the server environment ? thanks [05:37] right [05:37] ubuntu-server offers a fixed timeframe of support [05:37] debians is long but uncertain [05:37] ubuntu 6.06 will supported until June 2011 on the server [05:39] good. that's a good point, one I was aware of ... what about packaging policies (i.e. how new versions are included in the updates and such). I would be moving to apt-get for the first-time and would like to understand what are the best strategies to avoid surprises on the server side === Crell [n=Crell@c-71-228-13-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Parting] === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-server === genii [n=chatzill@host6411912762.biz.tor.fcibroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:15] Anyone alive in here? === genii sips a coffee and contemplates === foo tells the genii, "It's going to be ok, you can install ubuntu server." [06:21] Heh :) Thats not the immediate issue. I'm using apt-mirror but on the last round of updates it chinked out on me now , filled up a 40G hd whereas before it would go to 31G or so [06:22] apt-get update and upgrade filled up 40G of space? [06:22] No. apt-MIRROR [06:23] I'm mirroring the dapper install [06:23] ahhh, my bad. I'm not familiar with apt-mirror. [06:24] So Im currently wondering; If I have a medium sized hd around how much more than 40Gb is the repo now? [06:24] just dapper? shouldnt be more then 40 gig [06:24] hang on, i'll look it up [06:26] Kamping_Kaiser: It already filled up a 40G :) [06:26] I guess backports or so is the main hog [06:26] Anyone in here have ubuntu on any dell 2950s [06:26] ? [06:27] foo I have it on some poweredge 2450 [06:27] for dapper,dapper-updates,dapper-security,dapper-backports its 29.4 GB (on my setup) [06:27] that was made with debmirror btw [06:27] genii: Nice. Any big issues I should be concerned about? We might be getting some 2950s [06:27] *updates his mirror* [06:27] Kamping_Kaiser Hmm [06:28] foo The SCSI floppy doesn't work but I can live without it [06:28] hehe /me nods [06:29] Kamping_Kaiser: Maybe I need to elimate some of the directories. I'm mirroring also the security updates [06:29] genii, look what i listed [06:29] (from security.ubuntu.com) [06:29] -updates,-security-,and -backports [06:30] Kamping_Kaiser: Hangon a bit, I'll pastebin my mirror.list . I have to ssh into my box, it will be a minute [06:31] It could be I have redundant entries [06:33] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13489/ [06:34] Actually I see it now... bleh [06:34] i dont carry -proposed [06:34] so i'm not sure how big it is [06:35] maybe I'll eliminate the last 2 entries [06:35] :) [06:36] The first 2 commented-out entries are to get the netboot installer [06:37] debmirror needs a way to handle d-i gracefully, its a shocker at it :/ [06:38] Kamping_Kaiser: I have the mirror because I'm mass-installing here. I thought I'd update just before the next round of installs but then it chunked out [06:38] genii, net installing? [06:39] i had to do a pretty big dose recently, but used mondo. rather netinst. myself [06:39] Kamping_Kaiser: Yes. My preseed file does auto partition and packages then I leave the username part for manual right now [06:40] what are you using for it? i looked heavily at a few options, but they were just to clunky [06:41] I just installed one time to a system, put the packages on it I wanted. Then used debconf-get-selections to make a prototype preseed. Then I setup an old dual cpu Dell server to be the tftpboot box [06:42] I have 24 headless machines which do an early-command of load and run sshd so then I ssh into them, set a user/passwd and it chugs along. It ejects the cdrom tray at the end so I know when it's done [06:43] oh for crying out loud. LP is offline? [06:48] Kamping_Kaiser: yep! [06:48] for 15min or so === LaserJoc1 [n=mantha@adsl-75-14-218-86.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [06:51] ajmitch, ah, well i suppose i can handle that :) (but what timing ;||) === peanutb [n=paulb@c-71-197-218-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:12] Bah still chunks out. Guess I'll remove all the deb-src entries too === genii grumbles [07:13] really? my mirror is 30 gig with source. [07:15] Maybe I need to comment out all the lines except "clean" do that then uncomment just the absolute neccesary ones [07:15] It's driving me nust cuz now I have a bunch of mixed packages [07:15] nust=nuts [07:17] i havent used apt-mirror, does it store x number of revisisons deep? [07:17] i think debmirror only does 1, so that might be a problem [07:19] I'm not exactly certain === jronnblom [n=jar@3007a.uranus.nu] has joined #ubuntu-server === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-143-55.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-18.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-217-63.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server === Bambi_BOFH [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-130-214.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === sacater [n=sacater@host86-136-99-3.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === dexem [n=dexem@131.Red-80-35-41.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:15] Interesting.From Bambi-something to something-Kaiser === genii thinks about vicious fawns [11:19] lol === vciaglia [n=vciaglia@host188-18-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ||arifaX [n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-server === genii [n=chatzill@host6411912762.biz.tor.fcibroadband.com] has left #ubuntu-server [] === penguim [n=alex@200.254.8.137] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:19] what do you think about changing debconf priority for ubuntu-server? [02:19] and... changing default configs for some services (for example, vsftpd by default enables anonymous login, which i don't considera a good idea) [02:54] ivoks: looks like a good idea === jronnblom [n=jar@3007a.uranus.nu] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === mipe [n=mipe@p5b01d060.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-168-171.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:22] <[miles] > guys [05:22] <[miles] > anyone alive? [05:22] <[miles] > ping ... [05:24] hola [05:24] <[miles] > mralphabet: [05:24] <[miles] > muy buenas [05:25] <[miles] > mralphabet: any idea wtf my crondaily insists on emailing me to inform me that the ntp has adjusted the time by 3 seconds? [05:25] [miles] : because it has output [05:25] <[miles] > mmm but [05:26] <[miles] > I'm dumping it to /dev/burninhell [05:26] <[miles] > see /usr/sbin/ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org 2>/dev/null || exit 0 [05:26] yeah, but that's for stderr, not stdout [05:26] this is 'unwise' ting to do [05:27] <[miles] > what? [05:27] you will not know when there is a problem, and you will know when it works :) [05:27] 2> is redirection for stderr [05:27] not stdout [05:27] <[miles] > it's both no? [05:27] 1> is for stdout [05:27] no [05:27] <[miles] > &> [05:27] <[miles] > shite [05:27] <[miles] > it's that iirc now [05:27] &> is all [05:27] <[miles] > nod [05:27] <[miles] > balls === [miles] feels a proper twat and gets his coat [05:28] and it's ntp.ubuntu.com [05:28] >> /dev/null 2>&1 [05:29] >> is something else [05:29] <[miles] > nod [05:29] but 2>&1 is redirect 2 in 1 [05:29] <[miles] > &> is both tho no? [05:30] <[miles] > in one syntax [05:30] I believe so [05:30] <[miles] > thanks guys [05:30] <[miles] > ivoks: I've changed to ntp.ubuntu.com also === mipe_ [n=mipe@p5b01d060.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:45] <[miles] > ciao todos === ToonArmy [n=chris@88-105-252-57.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === mipe [n=mipe@p5b01d060.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-server === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-server === jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-server [] === mpeus [n=05049bb3@gate-so-1.actebis.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === mpeus [n=05049bb3@gate-so-1.actebis.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === mpeus [n=05049bb3@gate-so-1.actebis.com] has left #ubuntu-server [] === peanutb [n=paulb@c-71-197-218-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-server === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #ubuntu-server === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-server === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-server === peanutb [n=paulb@c-71-197-218-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === dexem [n=dexem@131.Red-80-35-41.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === duri [n=mduregon@67.170.176.126] has joined #ubuntu-server === foo [n=foo@unaffiliated/foo] has joined #ubuntu-server === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-197-231.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Odd_Bloke [n=oddbloke@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === mralphabet [n=user_nam@71-10-125-165.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === maswan [i=maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-server === TheLighty [i=lighty@riding.the.data-stream.org] has joined #ubuntu-server === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-server === shawarma [n=sh@atlas.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === cemil [n=cemil@defiant.wavecon.de] has joined #ubuntu-server === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === jhutchins [n=jonathan@64-151-34-11.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionel [n=lionel@ip-61.net-82-216-103.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #ubuntu-server === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server