[04:16] <Crell> Hi all.  Can anyone recommend a good PHP 5.2 backport for Edgy?  Unofficial is OK.  I am running into various segfault issues with PHP 5.1.6 that are apparently "known issues fixed in later versions". :-/
[04:19] <foo> Yup :)
[04:20] <foo> One minute, let me grab it
[04:20] <foo> deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all
[04:20] <foo> deb-src http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all
[04:21] <Crell> Isn't dotdeb a Debian repository?
[04:21] <Crell> I thought packages weren't portable.
[04:21] <foo> uh, hmm. One of the techs has used it on 4 of our production servers... 0 problems
[04:23] <Crell> I guess that's a good enough endorsement for me, for a development desktop. :-)
[04:26] <KurtKraut> Crell, installing debian packages in ubuntu should not be your first choice... but in your case, the only choice besides that is compiling PHP by yourself
[04:26] <Crell> Yeah, I'd rather mix repos than not use one at all.
[04:26] <Crell> I figure I'll be upgrading to Feisty within 6 weeks, but I have some version-sensitive work to do before then. :-)
[04:28] <Crell> Unfortunately, it looks like various extension packages are not included.  Grrr.
[04:28] <KurtKraut> Crell, ... it seems that today is a happy day for compiling... ahahahah
[04:29] <KurtKraut> Crell, do you use apache or lighttpd ?
[04:29] <Crell> apache
[04:30] <KurtKraut> Crell, do you have any spare server where you can install Feisty ?
[04:30] <Crell> Not really.
[04:30] <Crell> Well, I've a closet full of stuff, some of which works, but I don't think that really counts. :-)
[04:31] <KurtKraut> Crell, you can install and run lighttpd in your production server, with no dist-upgrade
[04:32] <Crell> My experience with lighttpd is 0.  One unknown at a time, please. :-)
[04:32] <KurtKraut> Crell, but in your servers local network, you can install a Feisty box, that comes with PHP 5.2.1
[04:32] <KurtKraut> Crell, in lighttpd you can point the PHP interpreter that resides in other machine, inside your LAN
[04:32] <KurtKraut> Crell, lighttpd is easy as hell
[04:33] <KurtKraut> Crell, so you can have a newer PHP version running outside your production server
[04:33] <Crell> That's way too complicated for what I need...
[04:34] <KurtKraut> it is quite simple. Despite installing a Feisty box, it would be done with less than 5 commands
[04:34] <KurtKraut> pretty easy if you have compilingphobia :P
[04:35] <Crell> Yeah... I just aptituded what I need.  I'll just restart apache now and see if it worked. :-)
[05:36] <duri> hello I am thinking about moving some old redhat linux 9 boxes to the debian platform. could you guys explain to me what is the value add of ubuntu-server vs debian in the server environment ? thanks
[05:37] <Burgundavia> right
[05:37] <Burgundavia> ubuntu-server offers a fixed timeframe of support
[05:37] <Burgundavia> debians is long but uncertain
[05:37] <Burgundavia> ubuntu 6.06 will supported until June 2011 on the server
[05:39] <duri> good. that's a good point, one I was aware of ... what about packaging policies (i.e. how new versions are included in the updates and such). I would be moving to apt-get for the first-time and would like to understand what are the best strategies to avoid surprises on the server side
[06:15] <genii> Anyone alive in here?
[06:21] <genii> Heh :) Thats not the immediate issue. I'm using apt-mirror but on the last round of updates it chinked out on me now , filled up a 40G hd whereas before it would go to 31G or so
[06:22] <foo> apt-get update and upgrade filled up 40G of space?
[06:22] <genii> No. apt-MIRROR
[06:23] <genii> I'm mirroring the dapper install
[06:23] <foo> ahhh, my bad. I'm not familiar with apt-mirror.
[06:24] <genii> So Im currently wondering; If I have a medium sized hd around how much more than 40Gb is the repo now?
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> just dapper? shouldnt be more then 40 gig
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hang on, i'll look it up
[06:26] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: It already filled up a 40G :)
[06:26] <genii> I guess backports or so is the main hog
[06:26] <foo> Anyone in here have ubuntu on any dell 2950s 
[06:26] <foo> ?
[06:27] <genii> foo I have it on some poweredge 2450
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> for dapper,dapper-updates,dapper-security,dapper-backports its 29.4 GB (on my setup)
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> that was made with debmirror btw
[06:27] <foo> genii: Nice. Any big issues I should be concerned about? We might be getting some 2950s
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> *updates his mirror*
[06:27] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser Hmm
[06:28] <genii> foo The SCSI floppy doesn't work but I can live without it
[06:28] <foo> hehe /me nods
[06:29] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: Maybe I need to elimate some of the directories. I'm mirroring also the security updates
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> genii, look what i listed
[06:29] <genii> (from security.ubuntu.com)
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> -updates,-security-,and -backports
[06:30] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: Hangon a bit, I'll pastebin my mirror.list . I have to ssh into my box, it will be a minute
[06:31] <genii> It could be I have redundant entries
[06:33] <genii> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13489/
[06:34] <genii> Actually I see it now... bleh
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont carry -proposed
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i'm not sure how big it is
[06:35] <genii> maybe I'll eliminate the last 2 entries
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:36] <genii> The first 2 commented-out entries are to get the netboot installer
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> debmirror needs a way to handle d-i gracefully, its a shocker at it :/
[06:38] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: I have the mirror because I'm mass-installing here. I thought I'd update just before the next round of installs but then it chunked out
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> genii, net installing?
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i had to do a pretty big dose recently, but used mondo. rather netinst. myself
[06:39] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: Yes. My preseed file does auto partition and packages then I leave the username part for manual right now
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are you using for it? i looked heavily at a few options, but they were just to clunky
[06:41] <genii> I just installed one time to a system, put the packages on it I wanted. Then used debconf-get-selections to make a prototype preseed. Then I setup an old dual cpu Dell server to be the tftpboot box
[06:42] <genii> I have 24 headless machines which do an early-command of load and run sshd so then I ssh into them, set a user/passwd and it chugs along. It ejects the cdrom tray at the end so I know when it's done
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh for crying out loud. LP is offline?
[06:48] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: yep!
[06:48] <ajmitch> for 15min or so
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, ah, well i suppose i can handle that :) (but what timing ;||)
[07:12] <genii> Bah still chunks out. Guess I'll remove all the deb-src entries too
[07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> really? my mirror is 30 gig with source.
[07:15] <genii> Maybe I need to comment out all the lines except "clean" do that then uncomment just the absolute neccesary ones
[07:15] <genii> It's driving me nust cuz now I have a bunch of mixed packages
[07:15] <genii> nust=nuts
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent used apt-mirror, does it store x number of revisisons deep?
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think debmirror only does 1, so that might be a problem
[07:19] <genii> I'm not exactly certain
[11:15] <genii> Interesting.From Bambi-something to something-Kaiser
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:19] <ivoks> what do you think about changing debconf priority for ubuntu-server?
[02:19] <ivoks> and... changing default configs for some services (for example, vsftpd by default enables anonymous login, which i don't considera a good idea)
[02:54] <lionel> ivoks: looks like a good idea
[05:22] <[miles] > guys
[05:22] <[miles] > anyone alive?
[05:22] <[miles] > ping ...
[05:24] <mralphabet> hola
[05:24] <[miles] > mralphabet: 
[05:24] <[miles] > muy buenas
[05:25] <[miles] > mralphabet: any idea wtf my crondaily insists on emailing me to inform me that the ntp has adjusted the time by 3 seconds?
[05:25] <ivoks> [miles] : because it has output
[05:25] <[miles] > mmm but
[05:26] <[miles] > I'm dumping it to /dev/burninhell
[05:26] <[miles] > see /usr/sbin/ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org 2>/dev/null || exit 0
[05:26] <ivoks> yeah, but that's for stderr, not stdout
[05:26] <ivoks> this is 'unwise' ting to do
[05:27] <[miles] > what?
[05:27] <ivoks> you will not know when there is a problem, and you will know when it works :)
[05:27] <ivoks>  2> is redirection for stderr
[05:27] <ivoks> not stdout
[05:27] <[miles] > it's both no?
[05:27] <ivoks> 1> is for stdout
[05:27] <ivoks> no
[05:27] <[miles] > &>
[05:27] <[miles] > shite
[05:27] <[miles] > it's that iirc now
[05:27] <ivoks> &> is all
[05:27] <[miles] > nod
[05:27] <[miles] > balls
[05:28] <ivoks> and it's ntp.ubuntu.com
[05:28] <mralphabet>  >> /dev/null 2>&1
[05:29] <ivoks> >> is something else
[05:29] <[miles] > nod
[05:29] <ivoks> but 2>&1 is redirect 2 in 1
[05:29] <[miles] > &> is both tho no?
[05:30] <[miles] > in one syntax
[05:30] <mralphabet> I believe so
[05:30] <[miles] > thanks guys
[05:30] <[miles] > ivoks: I've changed to ntp.ubuntu.com also
[05:45] <[miles] > ciao todos