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nixternalhey, I would like to create a "Welcome to Kubuntu" wiki page that will act like a one-stop shop that we can also link to in #kubuntu in order to shrink down that massive topic. That or fix /Kubuntu up a little bit. Comments?06:14
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freeflyingnixternal: cool :)06:21
nixternalthere is one :)06:21
jsgotangcoshould work nicely too06:21
nixternaloh man, they just come out of the wood work around here ;p06:22
nixternaljsgotangco: Chicago is actually having a nice 2 day open source event for once06:22
nixternalthis weekend. I am being urged to talk, however Chris DiBona and Mike Brown are talking, impossible for me to follow that act06:22
jsgotangcowhy not06:23
jsgotangcojust say a few words or something06:23
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crimsunnixternal: err, you're in an excellent position to speak about open source06:44
nixternalI sit on IRC all day, how is that an excellent position ;)06:44
crimsunspeak about your doc work with edubuntu and kubuntu06:44
crimsunyou're part of the doc team for arguably the most popular distro(s) ever06:45
nixternalabout time someone realizes that Kubuntu is the most popular :)06:45
crimsunI'd say that despite their pedigrees, they have nothing to your actual involvement06:45
nixternalya, it definitely won't be the first time for sure, but that is a powerful lineup06:45
nixternalso I shouldn't talk about my mad packaging skills then :)06:46
crimsunpeople will remember your enthusiasm far longer than they will your place in the speaking lineup06:46
nixternalcrimsun: and lets not forget that I am also apart of KDE now as well, which is w/o a doubt teh greatest DE in the world!06:47
nixternalwe are doing distro-wars as well. There will be Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, and Kubuntu going against SUSE, Fedora, and Linspire. That should be easy06:47
nixternalthe entire Chicago group is going, about 20 deep to win that battle06:48
giangy'morning guy06:51
giangy+s06:51
manchicken_Does anybody know why libmjs-dev conflicts with libnss3, firefox, and evolution?07:00
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manchicken_yuriy: I'm gonna look at bug #62475 really quick.07:09
ubotuMalone bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6247507:09
manchicken_I haven't been able to pay attention to free software work lately.  Sorry I've been so absent.  heh07:09
nixternalno excuses please ;p07:21
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manchicken_Nice.07:44
manchicken_Quiet you!  I just submitted a patch ;)07:44
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manchicken_And I may submit a second one.07:50
manchicken_:P07:50
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manchicken_nixternal: There.  I've submitted two patches tonight.  Consider yourself silenced ;)08:04
manchicken_With that, I do believe I'll crash for the night.08:04
manchicken_Nighty night.08:05
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asyd"/S 1209:52
asydoups09:53
Hobbseebasket done.  yay :)10:00
apokryphosbasket's awesome 8)10:00
Hobbseeit is :D10:00
Hobbseeand this version fixes major crashers10:00
apokryphosubotu: info basket10:01
ubotubasket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB10:01
apokryphosubotu: info basket feisty10:01
ubotubasket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (feisty), package size 4797 kB, installed size 7360 kB10:01
apokryphosyeah, the guy started adding features waaay too fast and it picked up loads of crashes. Pretty good these days though :D10:01
apokryphosI deluded myself thinking into it would be _the_ app for my revision, but it did at least help a lot with note-taking from different texts10:02
Hobbseehehe10:02
Hobbseeit's not bad - i dont think iv'e fully "gotten" it yet -but i'm getting there10:03
Hobbseekeep discovering neat bits that i use - makes a great todo list10:03
apokryphosyeah; it's still got so many features though; fortunately things you won't use don't get in your way at all10:04
apokryphosI think he's the same developer that's working on kirocker10:04
apokryphoswhich is also great 8)10:05
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Hobbseeapokryphos: ack'd.  will be done on archive day10:43
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apokryphosHobbsee: eh?10:54
Hobbseeapokryphos: the sync request, sorry10:54
Hobbseefor 1.0.1 for feisty10:54
apokryphosah, I see10:54
_StefanS_hey Hobbsee10:56
Hobbseehi _StefanS_ :)10:57
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=== kwwii just found a wierd bug in kde apps running in gnome
kwwiiwhen you resize a window with the mouse it resizes in both directions11:07
Hobbseeneat11:08
kwwiiso when I grab the side of a window and make it bigger it gets bigger not only on the side you grabbed, but also on the opposite side11:08
kwwiiso it does scale, just not as one would expect11:08
Hobbseefun11:10
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apacheloggerkwwii: not sure whether this is a bug11:11
apacheloggerhappens with beryl as well IIRC11:11
kwwiiapachelogger: yeah, I am running compiz11:12
apokryphossame issue with kwin?11:12
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apacheloggeranyone knows how to set the mail address 'dch' is using?11:16
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Hobbseeapachelogger: in .bashrc11:18
apacheloggerHobbsee: thx11:20
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Jucato:D12:28
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Jucatolol12:28
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giangyyawn12:29
Hobbseejsgotangco: :P12:29
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Jucato@schedule12:29
ubotuSchedule for Etc/UTC: 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 20:00: Technical Board12:29
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jsgotangcospa?12:30
Jucatowhat's the trigger again to show the meetings schedule in local time?12:30
jsgotangconot bad combo12:30
jsgotangco@schedule foo12:30
purpleeggsandhamfreenode nick limit12:30
giangyI'm preparing an 8-pages article about KDE 4 for an Italian Linux magazine, hooray \o/ :)12:30
DoomStickthere.12:31
jsgotangcohmmm12:33
jsgotangcoi should think of something better12:33
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Jucato:D12:39
Hobbseejsgotangco: heh.  Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  is taken12:39
jsgotangcoha ha ha12:40
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RiddellTonio_: how was Zagreb?12:45
Jucatohi Tonio_, hi Riddell!12:46
JucatoCC meeting in 15 minutes?12:46
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HobbseeJucato: seems so12:47
JucatoHobbsee: does the CC meeting include ubuntu members that got accepted through the KCC? (like me?)12:48
Riddellit's open to anyone12:48
Jucatoah ok :)12:48
Riddellanything on the agenda we should care about?12:48
HobbseeJucato: but they're not going to ack you for membership again, or anything12:49
HobbseeRiddell: world domination.  if it's nto there, i'll add it by osmosis12:49
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Jucatooh nothing. just wondering what happened to jsgotangco's nomination :D12:49
jsgotangcohrmmm?12:49
Hobbseejsgotangco's a member, isnt he?12:49
JucatoI mean nominated to the council... whatever you call it :D12:50
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jsgotangcoahh that, perhaps its just waiting for launchpad 2.012:52
jsgotangcoor LP Reloaded whatever its called now12:53
jsgotangcooh wait LP isn't even on 1.012:53
jsgotangcois it?12:53
Jucato:)12:53
Hobbseeit is now, yes12:54
Hobbseeiirc12:54
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Hobbseeoh yes,12:54
Hobbseethat, then12:54
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Jucatoooh apokryphos is finally going to be a member :)12:56
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kwwii_Riddell: ping?12:58
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Riddellhi kwwii12:59
ded_in kdevelop how to regenerate dialog underclass from qt ui without delete implemented slot?01:00
kwwiiRiddell: I am working on the example-content stuff (oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp)... who can tell me the "highlights" of Feisty01:00
kwwiior do we want to remove that slide?01:00
Tonio__hey kwwii01:01
kwwiihi Tonio__01:01
Riddellkwwii: pick whatever jumps out at your from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu and the previous herd pages01:02
kwwiiRiddell: great, will do...thanks :-)01:02
Tonio_Riddell: no tips for k3b, be happy :)01:02
Riddellyay01:02
Tonio_Riddell: I'll review yury's mail for bgs with solutions posted01:03
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Riddellbgs?01:04
Tonio_bugs01:04
Hobbseebugs that are decreasing in size, hence have less letters.01:05
Tonio_Riddell: I just have sometimes problems with the macbook keyboard :)01:06
Tonio_missing some letters since the keys are not exactly at the same place01:06
Tonio_;)01:06
Tonio_are we in freeze atm ?01:22
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Riddellno01:25
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Tonio_Riddell: great, let's go then01:26
Tonio_Riddell: I also removed the multimedia things from k3b, it is now nativelly supported01:27
Tonio_with konqueror integration and everything01:27
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Tonio_Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/7426202:10
ubotuMalone bug 74262 in adept "Two "Manage Repositories" entries under different menus in Adept Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] 02:10
Tonio_Riddell: patch looks to fix this, are you okay so that I can upload this ?02:10
Tonio_I don't see any reason that we have duplicate entry...02:11
Tonio_Riddell: unless that's your decision :)02:12
asydhello Tonio_02:13
Tonio_hi asyd :)02:14
Tonio_asyd: as announced, someone had to shake me up in the train when arrived orlans :)02:14
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asydahahah02:16
Tonio_asyd: you may have seen that in my eyes02:20
Tonio_"reguard bovin" mode :)02:20
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Tonio_lots of patches to merge from launchpad02:28
Hobbseeyay :)02:30
giangywey Tonio_ :)02:30
Tonio_hi giangy ;)02:30
dandelhello hobbsee.02:31
Hobbseehi dandel02:32
dandelhobbsee, you got the recent qt update right?02:33
Hobbseedont know, havent looked02:33
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dandelah, well there is an updated version of that now.02:33
asyd1502:34
asydoups02:34
Hobbseeright02:34
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Tonio_Riddell: I was looking at bug 9044502:53
ubotuMalone bug 90445 in pbbuttonsd "powerprefs problems with touchpad "tap" and function key settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9044502:53
Tonio_Riddell: that requires a patch to be applied to HAL (see bug 90451)02:53
ubotuMalone bug 90451 in hal "Add Tablet PC support (patch included)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9045102:53
Tonio_Riddell: I'd like to go with this, what's your opinion ?02:54
Tonio_Riddell: I'll ping pitti02:55
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giangyTonio_: http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=86 (have you read it?)03:01
Tonio_giangy: not yet, gimme a moment :)03:01
giangynp03:02
Tonio_giangy: interesting :)03:02
Tonio_giangy: I'll ping pitti who is in change of hal03:02
Tonio_giangy: would be nice to improve tablet pc support according to what opensuse does...03:02
Tonio_giangy: but I won't do the hal part without pitti's approval... then I'll do the kdebase/libs part03:03
giangythe maintainer seems to be pitti03:03
giangyTonio_: is awesome if the taplet pc support works :)03:03
giangy*tablet03:03
Tonio_of course it os03:04
Tonio_s/os/is03:04
Tonio_giangy: I'm just affraid that'll eventually break the feature freeze....03:04
Tonio_technically that's a new feature, not a bugfix03:04
giangymh, true03:04
giangybetter to wait pitti :))03:05
Tonio_giangy: yep03:06
Tonio_giangy: good point is that I thik I think we can go with this as no risk03:06
Tonio_giangy: that's been widelly tested at suse side so......03:06
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giangywait :)03:08
Tonio_giangy: yeah, that's to do before pitti comes back :)03:08
jeroenvrpk3b-i18n (0.12.17-2)03:08
Tonio_giangy: I have other fixes to review03:08
jeroenvrpthat one is not needed anymore03:08
Tonio_giangy: will you be there when I ask pitti ?03:08
giangyTonio_: I think yes03:09
Tonio_giangy: cool03:09
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giangyTonio_: nothing about.03:10
giangyTonio_: the only is related to Qt3 tablet support that was/is missing, but related to Suse only. ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=253392 )03:11
ubotuNovell bug 253392 in Other "qt3 tablet support missing" [Normal,Needinfo] 03:11
Tonio_giangy: there are also patches for kdebase/libs against this03:12
giangyour qt-package contains tablet support?03:12
Tonio_giangy: no but our kde packages can do so03:12
Tonio_giangy: only thing is that I need hal to be patched first to test those03:12
Tonio_giangy: therefore I don't want to waste time testing if patching hal is to late03:13
giangyah okey03:13
giangynow I understand :)03:13
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giangymh, I have to edit http://k3b.plainblack.com/download on the Kubuntu section (at least update the branch that contains the latest packages -> feisty)03:21
giangyfor the Maintainer field what can I insert? (Ubuntu Core Developers ? or some names?)03:22
Riddellgiangy: Ubuntu Core Developers or Kubuntu Members03:24
giangyok03:24
Tonio_Riddell: what do you suggest about the "repo manager" link in adept menus ?03:34
Tonio_Riddell: should I patch to remove it from "view" ?03:34
giangybtw guys, I have to say that after 7-8 days that I'm staying here in channel I very like the kubuntu team :)03:35
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Tonio_giangy: thanks ;)03:35
Tonio_giangy: you have been very appreciated too :)03:35
giangyheh thanks :))03:35
Tonio_;)03:35
RiddellTonio_: that whole view menu can go03:36
Tonio_hum okay, let's patch then !03:36
giangybut I'm (was..) working in the Slackware packaging team but now is the time to search other places.03:36
Tonio_giangy: hehe :)03:36
Tonio_giangy: yes I saw you where the k3b maintainer in slack03:37
Tonio_giangy: well we need packagers for kde apps, so if you have time......... I'd be glad to help you with the specifics of debian/kde packaging if you want03:37
giangywell, I tried.. but behind Slackware there is *one man*, *one decision*, this breaks my balls.03:38
Tonio_giangy: hum, I can understand this03:38
giangyTonio_: well, I have time, but I don't know any debian packaging specifics, I have to read something about (hint for myself: google is my friend :>)03:38
Tonio_giangy: we here are your friends too :)03:38
Tonio_no rtfm here03:39
giangyoki03:39
Tonio_giangy: ust ask if you have questions03:43
Tonio_giangy: aknowledged people are more efficient than google at some points03:44
giangyTonio_: ok, I have to finish an article about KDE4 and I'll start to read something about :)03:44
imbrandonmoins all03:45
Tonio_giangy: sure03:45
Tonio_hi mr brandon03:45
imbrandonheya papa03:45
imbrandon:)03:45
Tonio_imbrandon: not yet :'(03:45
Tonio_unfortunately03:45
imbrandonhehe03:45
Tonio_gf comes back today, so maybe tomorrow I'll be a potential papa :)03:45
giangygh03:46
imbrandonsounds like a good plan :)03:46
Tonio_depends the amount of bugs to fix lol03:46
imbrandonlol03:46
imbrandongf> bugs03:46
Tonio_imbrandon: obsously yes :)03:46
Tonio_obviously03:46
imbrandonhehe03:46
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Hobbseedamn thing just freezes most of the time, when the kill switch isnt enabled on my 3945 wifi card.03:53
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bddebianMorning04:06
Tm_Tmoin04:06
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Hobbseeright.  we have edgy04:09
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manchickenWHY does amarok have their lists.sf.net email address hard-coded into amarok crashes if it isn't working?04:25
vprintsGood afternoon!04:26
manchickennowdy04:26
manchickenhowdy*04:26
manchickenGoodness, that was a bad typo.04:26
manchickenRiddell: Dionne Wheeler got back to me on travel stuff.04:26
Hobbseemanchicken: yay, lucky04:26
manchickenRiddell: Does she handle hotel accommodations as well?04:26
manchickenHobbsee: My passport is pretty :)04:27
Hobbseemanchicken: mine's terrible - i'm not using that as a form of ID more than i have to!04:27
vprintsIs there any specific reason why does firefox use Kghostview instead of Kpdf ?04:27
manchickenHobbsee: Mine has all sorts of pretty colors and holograms and such.04:27
Hobbseeneat04:27
manchickenvprints: Is there any specific reason why you're using firefox instead of konqueror? :P04:28
manchickenheh04:28
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vprintsye, it is familiar for people i convert from windows04:28
Hobbseevprints: we dont set that.  is kghostview regarded as the default pdf app?04:29
Riddellmanchicken: no, canonical books the hotel04:30
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manchickenRiddell: Okay.  If I go through Dionne Wheeler, does Canonical directly handle the bill for the flight?04:31
vprintskpdf is the default, but not for firefox04:32
Jucatoabout:config or something...04:32
vprintsfirefox still uses kghostview04:32
vprintsi think it should be changed generally to use kpdf04:33
vprintsbecause kghostview fails to show previews of pages04:33
Hobbseevprints: afaik, we dont actually set the firefox preffered apps04:33
manchickenvprints: Konq is pretty darn easy to pick up.04:33
vprintsok, sorry i asked04:34
Hobbseelast i saw, anyway04:34
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kwwiiTonio_: if you're busy fixing bugs, let me know and I'll take care of your other duties :p04:41
kwwiimanchicken: yes, if you do it that way they will pay for it directly04:43
Tonio_kwwii: sure :)04:44
Tonio_kwwii: I fixed the font size on kdm04:44
kwwiiTonio_: what was the problem with the font?04:44
Tonio_kwwii: as you know french is the language with largest words, so it might be okay for everyone now04:44
kwwiihehe04:44
kwwiicool04:44
Tonio_kwwii: too large...04:44
kwwiiline wrapping04:44
Tonio_I changes from 12 to 1104:44
Tonio_kwwii: exactly04:44
Tonio_I have to go for a moment, brb04:45
Hobbseeoh, spain details here too04:47
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claydohI am in a foul mood today04:51
claydohoops oops04:51
claydohsorry04:51
Hobbseeheh04:51
claydohnot meant for here04:51
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Jucato:)04:53
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LongPointyStickkde black looks quite nice04:53
LongPointyStickheh04:53
Jucato:)04:53
Jucatogoodnight LongPointyStick/Hobbsee04:53
claydohJucato: I would *never* let it show here, in public so to speak04:53
LongPointyStick:)04:53
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claydohnight LongPointyStick\04:54
Jucatoah04:54
LongPointyStickahh04:55
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Jucato??04:55
LongPointySticka month till spain :)04:56
Jucatoaah :)04:56
Jucatothe next one will be in Boston right? :D04:56
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LongPointyStick:)04:56
LongPointyStickyeah04:57
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Jucatoaw... :(04:57
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Jucatoanyway, let me not keep you from your beauty sleep :P04:57
LongPointyStickwhy wouldnt you be?04:58
Jucatohm... dunno... the future is always uncertain :)04:58
JucatoI might be on Windows... :D04:58
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LongPointyStickheh04:59
Jucatoand if (only if) I do... I will always be doing Kubuntu work :)04:59
Tm_Tmy eyes...05:03
LongPointyStick:)05:03
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Tm_Tit really does take some time before eyes gets used to it05:03
LongPointyStickheh, yes.05:04
LongPointyStickyou had none before?05:04
apokryphosRiddell: I see irssi have that old ban problem you were talking about in their faq, btw: http://irssi.org/documentation/faq05:23
Jucatohi apokryphos!! how did the membership go? :)05:23
apokryphosJucato: I completely forgot it was today, actually :o05:24
apokryphospictured it some time further in the future 8). Hopefully I'll be around next time..05:24
Jucatooh... :P05:24
Riddellapokryphos: interesting05:26
Riddellif not very enlightening05:26
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apokryphos'people say they have this, I'm guessing what it would be, but we don't know why it happens' :P05:27
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ded_hi is there somone who know if there is a soft to install a packet in beta without destroy the system if it is bad05:46
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DaSkreechded_: Sorry?05:47
DaSkreechded_: You want to install something without harming your system?05:47
ded_DaSkreech: excuse my english05:47
DaSkreechded_: I figured ;-)05:47
DaSkreechIs that correct though?05:47
ded_harming ?05:47
ded_i did nt understand05:48
Jucatoapt-get with the -s (simulate) switch?05:48
DaSkreechded_: Which packet in beta do you want to install?05:48
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ded_in reality this is not for beta packet05:49
DaSkreechah What is it for?05:49
ded_this is rmp packets transform whith alien05:49
ded_in deb05:49
DaSkreechok05:49
ded_but i don't want to destroy system if they are bad05:50
DaSkreechFor which program?05:50
ded_this is for develop a prog doing this automatiquely05:50
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DaSkreech:-) Wouldn't it be easier to make a deb?05:51
ded_yes i make deb from rpm05:51
DaSkreechNo make a deb from the source code :)05:52
ded_all right but this is for install packet found on the web05:52
DaSkreechWhich packet?05:52
ded_everyone05:52
DaSkreechWhat is it's name?05:53
ded_not one in particular05:53
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ded_i am developing on kedevelop a prog for installing local package05:56
apacheloggerRiddell: would be nice if you could upload these changes http://aplg.kollide.net/debdiff_amarok_1.4.5-6to7.diff05:56
DaSkreechAh05:56
DaSkreech!chroot05:56
ubotuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box05:56
DaSkreechded_: Read that. It will give you a way to test without hurting your system05:57
ded_thanks i will do it06:01
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manchickenWhat is IB?  A Train or an airline?06:48
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Tm_Thmmh, shame, I think I cancel my aKademy plans from this year06:58
Tm_Tthat means have to be ready next year :)06:58
claydohmanchicken: probably Iberia Airlines, if it's Spain yer looking at06:59
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manchickenYeah.07:07
manchickenOkay.  cool.07:07
LurealleeEdgy32_: ping07:13
kwwiiRiddell: the example-content package has been updated - you might want to check it out to see if I missed anything or if we should add anything07:27
nixternalsomeone told me I was violating the CoC and bashing/disrespecting Microsoft on my blog. That angers me ;)07:29
nixternalI didn't disrespect them, I just made it known they have yet another stupid security exploit involving animated mouse cursors. if that isn't stupid, then I don't know what is07:30
nixternallovely, like you all wanted to hear that, silly irssi had the wrong window open07:30
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fdovingnixternal: i totally agree anyway. :)07:44
nixternalhehe, why thank you07:44
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manchickennixternal: You should know by now that when you disagree with Microsoft, you have disgraced yourself, your family, and your country.  How unamerican.07:47
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nixternalI am sorry Lord Ballmer07:47
manchickenThat's better.07:47
manchickenNow scream excitedly in line to buy an autographed copy of Vista!07:47
nixternalGates I can somewhat respect as he wasn't *as* dirty as Ballmer, plus he does distribute a lot of money to underfunded educational centers around the world07:48
nixternalI respect that07:48
manchickenTotally.07:48
nixternalmanchicken: umm, can't do that one now07:48
nixternalalthough the bookstore here on campus has Vista on sale07:48
manchickenBut he also undermines their freedom.  And I think he should be held accountable for that.07:48
nixternalI asked how many they have sold in the 2 months they have been on the shelf, and they said 107:49
manchickenMy new employer had a Vista OEM machine shipped to me for use in testing.07:49
nixternalI will admit though, Vista packaging is very nice, so Microsoft's marketing team was working hard for this one07:49
manchickenIt'll sit in the box for a little while.07:49
nixternaltell you new employer they need documentation experts (doxygen and docbook/xml/sgml), hell I can even do some C++, or Marketing or Management07:50
manchickenheh07:50
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nixternalsoon I will learn Java, c#, ASP (eww), more C++, oh and I am doing my Qt books as well, which makes writing KDE stuff way easier than say, using the STL07:51
nixternalforgot about Python and PyQt07:52
nixternalalthough my Python books refer to GTK quite a bit07:52
fdovingdon't forget lisp :)07:53
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nixternalfdoving: please no more. I have played around with that and ocaml because the glug guys in Chicago always talk about it07:54
nixternalthose will come later when I have spare time on my hands. oh wait, I already do ;o07:54
fdovingnixternal: http://norvig.com/21-days.html and http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html are good.07:58
nixternalhaha, teach yourself programming in 10 years07:58
fdovingread it all :)07:59
Riddellapachelogger: the changelog mentions kio but I don't see anything else in the diff about kio08:03
apacheloggerRiddell: description of package amarok was talking about playback support from kio08:03
apacheloggerthough that only worked for arts08:03
apacheloggerand xine is still working on kio support08:03
nixternalman, this is some good reading08:05
mhbgood evening folks08:08
fdovingare there any remote chances to get new upstream versions of packages into feisty at this time?08:15
fdovinguniverse, that is.08:15
Riddellapachelogger: oh, I see it08:15
apachelogger:)08:16
Riddellapachelogger: uploaded08:16
apacheloggerthx08:16
Lurefdoving: yes. mailody?08:18
fdovingLure: that's what i have in mind, yes.08:19
fdoving0.5.0 have huge improvements.08:19
Lurefdoving: it might  be good to poke in #ubuntu-motu first just to have some hope08:19
Riddellfdoving: possibly, if you're fast08:19
Riddellyes08:19
nixternalfdoving: has it moved out of playground yet?08:19
fdovingnixternal: no, not yet. i belive the process is ongoing.08:19
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Lurefdoving: I am just doing digikam-doc UVFe, but this is documentation only08:19
fdovingLure: ok.08:20
nixternalahh, OK, and then you or toma will get it tagged and rock-and-rollin' I take it :)08:20
Lurefdoving: will you prepare the package?08:24
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fdovingLure: yes.08:25
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Lurefdoving: ok, you can ping me if you need upload08:28
fdovingLure: mailody is actually in incoming.debian.org, can one request syncs at this time?08:29
\shcd12vf3408:29
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Lurefdoving: yep, just fill in bug and reference what to sync08:29
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Lurefdoving: when you get +1 for UVFe, just susbcribe archive-admin to process the sync08:30
fdovingso it's no difference from a normal sync from debian, just an UVF-sync.08:30
fdovingthanks.08:30
fdovingi'll go make the debdiffs etc.08:30
Lurefdoving: nope, just need to get from incoming to unstable/expiremental to be able to request sync08:31
fdovingLure: yes, i'll fetch the package anyhow, so if it doesn't make it i'll just have it uploaded with an ubuntu version, doesn't matter that much, it's a pretty simple package and we keep track of it pretty well.08:32
Lurefdoving: yep, just write in bug that is already in incoming and that sync may be possible08:32
Tonio_hum no pitti arround......08:33
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yuriyhey Tonio_08:41
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Tonio_yuriy: ;)08:41
Tonio_yuriy: thanks for the nice bug triage, that helps a lot08:42
Tonio_yuriy: everything okay except the hal and tablet pc stuff08:42
yuriyTonio_: the patch to bug 47312 as is isn't violating string freeze?08:42
ubotuMalone bug 47312 in kdebase "Message partially hidden in "File Sharing"" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4731208:42
Tonio_yuriy: no08:42
Tonio_yuriy: that's not a new string08:42
Tonio_yuriy: just reuse of reexisting one08:42
yuriyTonio_: the message box part08:42
yuriyoh08:42
yuriyok : )08:42
Tonio_yuriy: not a problem in that case08:43
yuriyhmm i need to find some bugs i can fix. then figure out this debdiff thing...again08:44
\shTonio_: dude, I just managed to get holidays, for linuxtag :)08:49
Tonio_\sh: ho nice :)08:50
Tonio_\sh: the point is I'm unsure I can be there....08:50
Tonio_\sh: I may have a new job very soon....08:51
Tonio_and I'll already have to negociate for the uds08:51
\shTonio_: well, I'll be there for kubuntu/ubuntu and for FAI08:51
Tonio_\sh: maybe I can come for the WE08:51
\shand at some stage also for lpi ;)08:51
Tonio_\sh: very nice :)08:51
Tonio_yuriy: if you manage to debdiff yourself, would be nice, just ping me for review and upload08:52
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yuriyTonio_: did i understand right, you removed the view menu from adept?09:01
manchickenOkay, so does anybody have any idea why libsmjs-dev conflicts with evolution, firefox, libnss3, etc?09:03
yuriy!info libsmjs-dev09:04
Tonio_yuriy: yes09:04
ubotulibsmjs-dev: Migration package for the Mozilla SpiderMonkey JavaScript library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.0.5-4.2 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 92 kB09:04
yuriy"This package exists solely for the purpose of migrating from the old package naming to the new one."09:05
yuriyTonio_: but didn't manchicken fix the show last dpkg view option?09:05
manchickenOkay, so what package holds jsapi.h these days?09:05
manchickenTonio_: I submitted a patch for that last night.09:06
Tonio_manchicken: yes but we discussed with Riddell and well.... that's not very usefull09:06
manchickenThat depends whether or not the last dpkg run was successful or not.09:06
Tonio_honnestly the people interested in show last dpkg action are using apt-get in the shell....09:06
Tonio_hum, let's consider it works then :)09:07
manchickenIf it failed to install something then the last dpkg run thing is useful.09:07
yuriythere's a bug somewhere requesting that option..09:07
Tonio_manchicken: better ask Riddell his plan, I wanted to use your patch and he told me to remove the menu, so.......09:07
Tonio_:)09:07
yuriyi think it's useful just because adept has a tendency to show that "something went wrong" message and not tell you anything else09:07
manchickenTonio_: heh09:08
yuriyso it's a workaround of sorts09:08
Tonio_Riddell: your opinion ?09:09
Riddellwhat are we talking about?09:10
Tonio_Riddell: you told me remove the all "view" menuj in adept, which I did09:11
manchickenMy view menu patch09:11
Tonio_but looks like some of the option are interesting to keep09:11
Riddellbest keep them then09:11
yuriymanchicken: the show list option in there wasn't working either right? that needs to be fixed too if the menu is to go back09:11
manchickenshow list?09:11
Tonio_hum okay09:11
yuriyi think that's what else was in there.. there were 4 options iirc09:11
Tonio_manchicken: will reupload with your patch toonight, and only keep access to the repos management in the "adept" menu09:12
yuriyone of them always said "show list" and was disabled. should probably be show list when in details view and show details when in list view09:12
Riddellmore important is getting the list item arrow back09:12
yuriyRiddell: reject bug 92979 or change description according to your comment?09:15
ubotuMalone bug 92979 in adept "adept on kubuntu feisty manage repositories does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9297909:15
manchickenOkay...09:17
manchickenI'll focus on that then.09:17
Riddellyuriy: change description09:17
yuriyis the dist-upgrade tool in LP?09:18
yuriybug 9367709:19
ubotuMalone bug 93677 in adept "adept-manager (v2.1 cruiser) shows weird message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9367709:19
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ErunnoGood evening. Is it too late to ask for skipping the filesystem check on ext2/3 systems when a laptop is running on battery ?09:21
ErunnoGentoo did that too and it's really beneficial towards the lifespan of a battery ;-)09:21
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yuriymanchicken: fix released for bug 80618?09:25
ubotuMalone bug 80618 in adept "adept-installer crashes when clicking next on 'there seems to be an update' dialog" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8061809:25
manchickenI believe so.09:26
manchickenI should go thank the LP team.09:26
yuriyRiddell: so is 92979 an adept or software-properties or sudo bug?09:27
Majostdoes anyone have the i386 daily iso for 20070327?09:29
Majostor perhaps a torrent file?09:29
manchickenyuriy: could you assign that on with the arrow missing from the adept display to me? I'll try to find the number.09:30
yuriymanchicken: woulda done it already if i could find it09:31
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yuriymanchicken: want bug 68949?09:32
ubotuMalone bug 68949 in adept "Package descriptions are sometimes incorrect and do not match descriptions stored in the package database" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6894909:32
manchickenOoh, I'm not sure I should say yes to that one.09:32
manchickenheh09:32
manchickenRiddell: Is there a bug posted for the expanding icon missing issue?09:32
manchickenyuriy: Do we know if 68949 is happening on feisty still?09:33
yuriymanchicken: how about bug 52461? that one _looks innocent enough09:34
ubotuMalone bug 52461 in adept "Fix expanding item description at bottom of table so it no longer expands out of view" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5246109:34
yuriymanchicken: not for sure09:34
manchickenyuriy: That one (52461) seems like it could be done better by switching it to a scrollable widget...09:35
LureRiddell, Tonio_: can you sponsor one bugfix upload for me: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam.debdiff09:47
manchickenDoes someone have the most up-to-date adept bzr branch?09:49
Lureinteresting bug 102532 with k3b in gnome...09:54
ubotuMalone bug 102532 in Ubuntu "k3b does not run in gnome ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10253209:54
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manchickenThis is frustrating.  I can't figure out which package has jsapi.h in it.09:57
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fdovingmanchicken: doesn't packages.ubuntu.com help you?09:58
manchickenLet me try.09:59
fdovingfirefox-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, libmozjs-dev09:59
Tonio_Lure: will do toonight09:59
manchickenfdoving: Very nicely put RTFM :)  It's nice to know which documentation to go for :)09:59
fdoving!find jsapi.h10:00
ubotuFile jsapi.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev10:00
fdovingthere you go, ubotu is smart :)10:00
Tm_Tsmarter than manchicken?10:00
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manchickenNice.10:01
LureTonio_: thanks10:01
manchicken!find jsobj.h10:04
ubotuFile jsobj.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev10:04
manchicken!find jsinterp.h10:05
ubotuFile jsinterp.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev10:05
manchickenHmm...10:06
manchickenlibmozjs-dev conflicts with the same things that libsmjs-dev did.....10:06
DaSkreechmanchicken: New employer?10:10
manchickenDaSkreech: Yup.10:10
manchickenDaSkreech: Where have you been? :P10:10
DaSkreechLunch10:10
vprintsbug 10254410:16
ubotuMalone bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10254410:16
ScottKvprints: Why did you file that bug against kdegraphics?10:22
vprintscause it didn't let me to do that against kpdf nor kghostview10:23
ScottKBut isn't the issue that Firefox is calling the 'wrong' application?10:23
vprintsno, it is the mailcap entry of KPDF10:25
vprintsmailcap value10:26
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ScottKAh. OK.  Thankns10:26
ScottKThanks...10:26
vprintsnp10:27
Riddellyuriy: sudo10:29
manchickenGrumble...10:39
manchickenI'm just gonna work off of the deb-src adept package.10:40
fdovingwhere is the bzr branch? should i fetch it and tar it for you?10:41
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fdovingLure: i have a user in #kubuntu with special-key-problems. nick: 'jnowka' if you have anything special you want him to add to the bugreport.10:43
fdovinghis 'enable touchpad button' launches khelpcenter.10:44
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Lurefdoving: probably wrong mapping, we can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes10:45
fdovingok.10:45
Lurefdoving: and LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch  for the keys that do not work10:45
fdovinggreat, thanks.10:46
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DaSkreechWhoot Debtags work again :)10:49
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Tonio_Lure: patching digikam, fyi11:16
LureTonio_: thanks11:17
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DaSkreechhi jjesse11:25
giangy'evening guys11:30
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Tonio_manchicken: uploading adept with your changes11:43
manchickenTonio_: Groovy.11:43
Tonio_manchicken: sorry for the misscomprehension :)11:44
manchickenTotally not a problem :)11:44
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Tonio_is that correct ? misscomprehension ?11:44
manchickenSo many moving pieces, I'm surprised this is the first misunderstanding of the sort with me :)11:44
manchickenTonio_: Misunderstanding11:44
Tonio_okay ;)11:44
manchickenBoth make sense.11:44
manchickenAutomated testing rant: http://blog.notsosoft.net/11:49
DaSkreechmanchicken: manchicken's house of hacking?11:53
manchickenDaSkreech: Yup.11:53
DaSkreechNew job/11:53
DaSkreech?11:53
manchickenYup.11:54
manchickenYou already asked that.11:54
DaSkreechNo I asked if you had a new job11:54
DaSkreech I didn't ask if the manchicken house of hacking was the new job11:54
manchickenOh, nope.11:55
DaSkreechmanchicken: Oh Welcome to the nut house11:55
manchickenThanks.11:55
jjessehi DaSkreech11:55
jjessewas out running11:55
manchickenThe new job is actually just an old job, but better this time around :)11:55
DaSkreechthe new job has nothing to do with your house of hacking?11:55
DaSkreechjjesse: :-)11:55
DaSkreechmanchicken: So still doubleclick?12:00
DaSkreechJust ... faster?12:00
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DaSkreechhey kwwii12:01
kwwiihowdy DaSkreech12:02
manchickenNo.12:02
manchickenNot doubleclick anymore.12:02
manchickenBack to DigitalWork.12:02
DaSkreechkwwii: Feisty got someone to switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu cause it was so much prettier12:02
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DaSkreechmanchicken: Ok what do they do?12:02
kwwiihehe, kool12:02
kwwii:-)12:03
manchickenDaSkreech: http://www.zoomshare.com12:03
kwwiiso my work on Ubuntu is paying off in a different way :p12:03
DaSkreechmanchicken: Other than give you OEM great views (tm) ?12:03
manchickenDaSkreech: Great views?12:03
DaSkreechkwwii: Other than Pay? :-)12:03
DaSkreechYouknow12:03
DaSkreechlike a  Vista (tm) almost12:03
kwwiiI am secretly trying to Konvert people12:04
kwwiifrom now I writing everything with K12:04
manchickenDaSkreech: Making me run windows isn't a benefit :)12:04
manchickenDaSkreech: It's a concession :)12:04
DaSkreechKool keep it up12:05
DaSkreech*koff*12:05
manchicken*skratch*12:05
DaSkreechTikks?12:05
=== DaSkreech khukkles
DaSkreechmanchicken: So just Live CD till they admit that' it's much much more practical12:09
manchickenExcept that they want internet exploder testing.12:09
DaSkreechSo Install it under Wine12:10

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