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That or fix /Kubuntu up a little bit. Comments? === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-036-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === naught101 [n=naught10@60-242-222-210.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:21] nixternal: cool :) [06:21] there is one :) [06:21] should work nicely too [06:22] oh man, they just come out of the wood work around here ;p [06:22] jsgotangco: Chicago is actually having a nice 2 day open source event for once [06:22] this weekend. I am being urged to talk, however Chris DiBona and Mike Brown are talking, impossible for me to follow that act [06:23] why not [06:23] just say a few words or something === naught101 [n=naught10@60-242-222-210.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === naught102 [n=naught10@60-242-222-210.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:44] nixternal: err, you're in an excellent position to speak about open source [06:44] I sit on IRC all day, how is that an excellent position ;) [06:44] speak about your doc work with edubuntu and kubuntu [06:45] you're part of the doc team for arguably the most popular distro(s) ever [06:45] about time someone realizes that Kubuntu is the most popular :) [06:45] I'd say that despite their pedigrees, they have nothing to your actual involvement [06:45] ya, it definitely won't be the first time for sure, but that is a powerful lineup [06:46] so I shouldn't talk about my mad packaging skills then :) [06:46] people will remember your enthusiasm far longer than they will your place in the speaking lineup [06:47] crimsun: and lets not forget that I am also apart of KDE now as well, which is w/o a doubt teh greatest DE in the world! [06:47] we are doing distro-wars as well. There will be Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, and Kubuntu going against SUSE, Fedora, and Linspire. That should be easy [06:48] the entire Chicago group is going, about 20 deep to win that battle [06:51] 'morning guy [06:51] +s [07:00] Does anybody know why libmjs-dev conflicts with libnss3, firefox, and evolution? === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:09] yuriy: I'm gonna look at bug #62475 really quick. [07:09] Malone bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475 [07:09] I haven't been able to pay attention to free software work lately. Sorry I've been so absent. heh [07:21] no excuses please ;p === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-230.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEDB03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:44] Nice. [07:44] Quiet you! I just submitted a patch ;) === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db440f8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:50] And I may submit a second one. [07:50] :P === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-77156.0x5734b54a.naenxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:04] nixternal: There. I've submitted two patches tonight. Consider yourself silenced ;) [08:04] With that, I do believe I'll crash for the night. [08:05] Nighty night. === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-77156.0x5734b54a.naenxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495773e.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.179.142] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.179.142] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink is now known as raphink === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Prezu [i=patryk@dug.net.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:52] "/S 12 [09:53] oups [10:00] basket done. yay :) [10:00] basket's awesome 8) [10:00] it is :D [10:00] and this version fixes major crashers [10:01] ubotu: info basket [10:01] basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB [10:01] ubotu: info basket feisty [10:01] basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (feisty), package size 4797 kB, installed size 7360 kB [10:01] yeah, the guy started adding features waaay too fast and it picked up loads of crashes. Pretty good these days though :D [10:02] I deluded myself thinking into it would be _the_ app for my revision, but it did at least help a lot with note-taking from different texts [10:02] hehe [10:03] it's not bad - i dont think iv'e fully "gotten" it yet -but i'm getting there [10:03] keep discovering neat bits that i use - makes a great todo list [10:04] yeah; it's still got so many features though; fortunately things you won't use don't get in your way at all [10:04] I think he's the same developer that's working on kirocker [10:05] which is also great 8) === naught101 [n=naught10@60-242-222-210.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@91.64.1.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N747P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:43] apokryphos: ack'd. will be done on archive day === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:54] Hobbsee: eh? [10:54] apokryphos: the sync request, sorry [10:54] for 1.0.1 for feisty [10:54] ah, I see [10:56] <_StefanS_> hey Hobbsee [10:57] hi _StefanS_ :) === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii just found a wierd bug in kde apps running in gnome [11:07] when you resize a window with the mouse it resizes in both directions [11:08] neat [11:08] so when I grab the side of a window and make it bigger it gets bigger not only on the side you grabbed, but also on the opposite side [11:08] so it does scale, just not as one would expect [11:10] fun === lotusleaf [n=gesture@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:11] kwwii: not sure whether this is a bug [11:11] happens with beryl as well IIRC [11:12] apachelogger: yeah, I am running compiz [11:12] same issue with kwin? === apachelogger didn't notice [11:16] anyone knows how to set the mail address 'dch' is using? === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:18] apachelogger: in .bashrc [11:20] Hobbsee: thx === lotusleaf [n=gesture@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ is now known as jpetso === lotusleaf [n=gesture@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #kubuntu-devel ["trombone"] === apacheLAGger [n=me@N850P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dany_21 [n=dan@83-65-233-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-153-90-76.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato_ [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee contemplates running the dist-upgrader on two machines, and seeing which one wins. [12:28] :D === Hobbsee wonders what greeneggsandham is up to === Jucato yawns... :O === Hobbsee /nick greeneggsandspam [12:28] lol [12:28] hahaha [12:29] yawn [12:29] jsgotangco: :P === Hobbsee changes her nick of her logging client on another network [12:29] @schedule [12:29] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 20:00: Technical Board === purpleeggsandham is better than greeneggsnospam! [12:30] spa? [12:30] what's the trigger again to show the meetings schedule in local time? [12:30] not bad combo [12:30] @schedule foo [12:30] freenode nick limit [12:30] I'm preparing an 8-pages article about KDE 4 for an Italian Linux magazine, hooray \o/ :) [12:31] there. [12:33] hmmm [12:33] i should think of something better === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p5495777c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:39] :D [12:39] jsgotangco: heh. Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is taken [12:40] ha ha ha === Tonio_ [n=tonio@230.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] Tonio_: how was Zagreb? [12:46] hi Tonio_, hi Riddell! [12:46] CC meeting in 15 minutes? === Tonio__ [n=tonio@230.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] Jucato: seems so [12:48] Hobbsee: does the CC meeting include ubuntu members that got accepted through the KCC? (like me?) [12:48] it's open to anyone [12:48] ah ok :) [12:48] anything on the agenda we should care about? [12:49] Jucato: but they're not going to ack you for membership again, or anything [12:49] Riddell: world domination. if it's nto there, i'll add it by osmosis === Hobbsee fixed almost all the bugs in basket today :) [12:49] oh nothing. just wondering what happened to jsgotangco's nomination :D [12:49] hrmmm? [12:49] jsgotangco's a member, isnt he? [12:50] I mean nominated to the council... whatever you call it :D === Hobbsee wonders when the voting starts [12:52] ahh that, perhaps its just waiting for launchpad 2.0 [12:53] or LP Reloaded whatever its called now [12:53] oh wait LP isn't even on 1.0 [12:53] is it? [12:53] :) [12:54] it is now, yes [12:54] iirc === Jucato thought it was 1.0 Public Beta... [12:54] oh yes, [12:54] that, then === Hobbsee contemplates running the upgraders, while watching the CC meeting === naught101 [n=naught10@60-242-222-210.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:56] ooh apokryphos is finally going to be a member :) === Hobbsee .oO{ he isnt already??? } === Hobbsee wonders if ops stuff will be covered in the CC === Hobbsee looks for the agenda === Jucato looks for bed or food... [12:58] Riddell: ping? === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [12:59] hi kwwii [01:00] in kdevelop how to regenerate dialog underclass from qt ui without delete implemented slot? [01:00] Riddell: I am working on the example-content stuff (oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp)... who can tell me the "highlights" of Feisty [01:00] or do we want to remove that slide? [01:01] hey kwwii [01:01] hi Tonio__ [01:02] kwwii: pick whatever jumps out at your from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu and the previous herd pages [01:02] Riddell: great, will do...thanks :-) [01:02] Riddell: no tips for k3b, be happy :) [01:02] yay [01:03] Riddell: I'll review yury's mail for bgs with solutions posted === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:04] bgs? [01:04] bugs [01:05] bugs that are decreasing in size, hence have less letters. [01:06] Riddell: I just have sometimes problems with the macbook keyboard :) [01:06] missing some letters since the keys are not exactly at the same place [01:06] ;) [01:22] are we in freeze atm ? === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db440f8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:25] no === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495777c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] Riddell: great, let's go then [01:27] Riddell: I also removed the multimedia things from k3b, it is now nativelly supported [01:27] with konqueror integration and everything === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508f0855.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === dandel [n=dandel@pool-71-96-79-153.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/74262 [02:10] Malone bug 74262 in adept "Two "Manage Repositories" entries under different menus in Adept Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:10] Riddell: patch looks to fix this, are you okay so that I can upload this ? [02:11] I don't see any reason that we have duplicate entry... [02:12] Riddell: unless that's your decision :) [02:13] hello Tonio_ [02:14] hi asyd :) [02:14] asyd: as announced, someone had to shake me up in the train when arrived orlans :) === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-47-5.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:16] ahahah [02:20] asyd: you may have seen that in my eyes [02:20] "reguard bovin" mode :) === Tonio_ goes to hugday mode [02:28] lots of patches to merge from launchpad [02:30] yay :) [02:30] wey Tonio_ :) [02:30] hi giangy ;) [02:31] hello hobbsee. [02:32] hi dandel [02:33] hobbsee, you got the recent qt update right? [02:33] dont know, havent looked === Hobbsee hasnt done updates for the last couple of days [02:33] ah, well there is an updated version of that now. [02:34] 15 [02:34] oups [02:34] right === rouzic_ [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:53] Riddell: I was looking at bug 90445 [02:53] Malone bug 90445 in pbbuttonsd "powerprefs problems with touchpad "tap" and function key settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90445 [02:53] Riddell: that requires a patch to be applied to HAL (see bug 90451) [02:53] Malone bug 90451 in hal "Add Tablet PC support (patch included)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90451 [02:54] Riddell: I'd like to go with this, what's your opinion ? [02:55] Riddell: I'll ping pitti === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [03:01] Tonio_: http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=86 (have you read it?) [03:01] giangy: not yet, gimme a moment :) [03:02] np [03:02] giangy: interesting :) [03:02] giangy: I'll ping pitti who is in change of hal [03:02] giangy: would be nice to improve tablet pc support according to what opensuse does... [03:03] giangy: but I won't do the hal part without pitti's approval... then I'll do the kdebase/libs part [03:03] the maintainer seems to be pitti [03:03] Tonio_: is awesome if the taplet pc support works :) [03:03] *tablet [03:04] of course it os [03:04] s/os/is [03:04] giangy: I'm just affraid that'll eventually break the feature freeze.... [03:04] technically that's a new feature, not a bugfix [03:04] mh, true [03:05] better to wait pitti :)) [03:06] giangy: yep [03:06] giangy: good point is that I thik I think we can go with this as no risk [03:06] giangy: that's been widelly tested at suse side so...... === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === giangy is searching a problem related to this patch on https://bugzilla.novell.com/index.cgi [03:08] wait :) [03:08] giangy: yeah, that's to do before pitti comes back :) [03:08] k3b-i18n (0.12.17-2) [03:08] giangy: I have other fixes to review [03:08] that one is not needed anymore [03:08] giangy: will you be there when I ask pitti ? [03:09] Tonio_: I think yes [03:09] giangy: cool === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] Tonio_: nothing about. [03:11] Tonio_: the only is related to Qt3 tablet support that was/is missing, but related to Suse only. ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=253392 ) [03:11] Novell bug 253392 in Other "qt3 tablet support missing" [Normal,Needinfo] [03:12] giangy: there are also patches for kdebase/libs against this [03:12] our qt-package contains tablet support? [03:12] giangy: no but our kde packages can do so [03:12] giangy: only thing is that I need hal to be patched first to test those [03:13] giangy: therefore I don't want to waste time testing if patching hal is to late [03:13] ah okey [03:13] now I understand :) === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["The] [03:21] mh, I have to edit http://k3b.plainblack.com/download on the Kubuntu section (at least update the branch that contains the latest packages -> feisty) [03:22] for the Maintainer field what can I insert? (Ubuntu Core Developers ? or some names?) [03:24] giangy: Ubuntu Core Developers or Kubuntu Members [03:24] ok [03:34] Riddell: what do you suggest about the "repo manager" link in adept menus ? [03:34] Riddell: should I patch to remove it from "view" ? [03:35] btw guys, I have to say that after 7-8 days that I'm staying here in channel I very like the kubuntu team :) === giangy [03:35] giangy: thanks ;) [03:35] giangy: you have been very appreciated too :) [03:35] heh thanks :)) [03:35] ;) [03:36] Tonio_: that whole view menu can go [03:36] hum okay, let's patch then ! [03:36] but I'm (was..) working in the Slackware packaging team but now is the time to search other places. [03:36] giangy: hehe :) [03:37] giangy: yes I saw you where the k3b maintainer in slack [03:37] giangy: well we need packagers for kde apps, so if you have time......... I'd be glad to help you with the specifics of debian/kde packaging if you want [03:38] well, I tried.. but behind Slackware there is *one man*, *one decision*, this breaks my balls. [03:38] giangy: hum, I can understand this [03:38] Tonio_: well, I have time, but I don't know any debian packaging specifics, I have to read something about (hint for myself: google is my friend :>) [03:38] giangy: we here are your friends too :) [03:39] no rtfm here [03:39] oki [03:43] giangy: ust ask if you have questions [03:44] giangy: aknowledged people are more efficient than google at some points [03:44] Tonio_: ok, I have to finish an article about KDE4 and I'll start to read something about :) [03:45] moins all [03:45] giangy: sure [03:45] hi mr brandon [03:45] heya papa [03:45] :) [03:45] imbrandon: not yet :'( [03:45] unfortunately [03:45] hehe [03:45] gf comes back today, so maybe tomorrow I'll be a potential papa :) [03:46] gh [03:46] sounds like a good plan :) [03:46] depends the amount of bugs to fix lol [03:46] lol [03:46] gf> bugs [03:46] imbrandon: obsously yes :) [03:46] obviously [03:46] hehe === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee === Hobbsee curses the edgy installer [03:53] damn thing just freezes most of the time, when the kill switch isnt enabled on my 3945 wifi card. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Morning [04:06] moin === \sh_away is now known as \sh [04:09] right. we have edgy === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm2.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vprints [n=laur@213-35-244-198-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:25] WHY does amarok have their lists.sf.net email address hard-coded into amarok crashes if it isn't working? [04:26] Good afternoon! [04:26] nowdy [04:26] howdy* [04:26] Goodness, that was a bad typo. [04:26] Riddell: Dionne Wheeler got back to me on travel stuff. [04:26] manchicken: yay, lucky [04:26] Riddell: Does she handle hotel accommodations as well? [04:27] Hobbsee: My passport is pretty :) [04:27] manchicken: mine's terrible - i'm not using that as a form of ID more than i have to! [04:27] Is there any specific reason why does firefox use Kghostview instead of Kpdf ? [04:27] Hobbsee: Mine has all sorts of pretty colors and holograms and such. [04:27] neat [04:28] vprints: Is there any specific reason why you're using firefox instead of konqueror? :P [04:28] heh === manchicken trolls a bit [04:28] ye, it is familiar for people i convert from windows [04:29] vprints: we dont set that. is kghostview regarded as the default pdf app? [04:30] manchicken: no, canonical books the hotel === Hobbsee decides that running hte dist-upgrade tool tomorrow isnt such a bad idea... [04:31] Riddell: Okay. If I go through Dionne Wheeler, does Canonical directly handle the bill for the flight? [04:32] kpdf is the default, but not for firefox [04:32] about:config or something... [04:32] firefox still uses kghostview [04:33] i think it should be changed generally to use kpdf [04:33] because kghostview fails to show previews of pages [04:33] vprints: afaik, we dont actually set the firefox preffered apps [04:33] vprints: Konq is pretty darn easy to pick up. [04:34] ok, sorry i asked [04:34] last i saw, anyway === Hobbsee has vague plans for feisty+1, but are fairly sure they havent leaked out of her brain without telling me. [04:41] Tonio_: if you're busy fixing bugs, let me know and I'll take care of your other duties :p [04:43] manchicken: yes, if you do it that way they will pay for it directly [04:44] kwwii: sure :) [04:44] kwwii: I fixed the font size on kdm [04:44] Tonio_: what was the problem with the font? [04:44] kwwii: as you know french is the language with largest words, so it might be okay for everyone now [04:44] hehe [04:44] cool [04:44] kwwii: too large... [04:44] line wrapping [04:44] I changes from 12 to 11 [04:44] kwwii: exactly [04:45] I have to go for a moment, brb [04:47] oh, spain details here too === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-234-220.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:51] I am in a foul mood today [04:51] oops oops [04:51] sorry [04:51] heh [04:51] not meant for here === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick [04:53] :) === Jucato waves to claydoh nonetheless === LongPointyStick --> bed === claydoh bows to the Stick of Doom, ready for his punishment [04:53] kde black looks quite nice [04:53] heh [04:53] :) [04:53] goodnight LongPointyStick/Hobbsee [04:53] Jucato: I would *never* let it show here, in public so to speak [04:53] :) === claydoh was ranting to his brother via IM [04:54] night LongPointyStick\ [04:54] ah [04:55] ahh === LongPointyStick looks at the date, and bounces around happily [04:55] ?? [04:56] a month till spain :) [04:56] aah :) [04:56] the next one will be in Boston right? :D === Jucato hopes to make it to that one... of course only possible w/ sponsorship :D [04:56] :) [04:57] yeah === LongPointyStick wont be going to that [04:57] aw... :( === Jucato wonders, though, if he'll still be a Kubuntero by then... or something... :/ [04:57] anyway, let me not keep you from your beauty sleep :P [04:58] why wouldnt you be? [04:58] hm... dunno... the future is always uncertain :) [04:58] I might be on Windows... :D === Jucato doesn't foresee going anywhere in a long time though [04:59] heh [04:59] and if (only if) I do... I will always be doing Kubuntu work :) [05:03] my eyes... [05:03] :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Tm_T got eyeglasses [05:03] it really does take some time before eyes gets used to it [05:04] heh, yes. [05:04] you had none before? [05:23] Riddell: I see irssi have that old ban problem you were talking about in their faq, btw: http://irssi.org/documentation/faq [05:23] hi apokryphos!! how did the membership go? :) [05:24] Jucato: I completely forgot it was today, actually :o [05:24] pictured it some time further in the future 8). Hopefully I'll be around next time.. [05:24] oh... :P [05:26] apokryphos: interesting [05:26] if not very enlightening === PascalFr [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:27] 'people say they have this, I'm guessing what it would be, but we don't know why it happens' :P === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.219.255.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.73.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] hi is there somone who know if there is a soft to install a packet in beta without destroy the system if it is bad === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:47] ded_: Sorry? [05:47] ded_: You want to install something without harming your system? [05:47] DaSkreech: excuse my english [05:47] ded_: I figured ;-) [05:47] Is that correct though? [05:47] harming ? [05:48] i did nt understand [05:48] apt-get with the -s (simulate) switch? [05:48] ded_: Which packet in beta do you want to install? === cyt [n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:49] in reality this is not for beta packet [05:49] ah What is it for? [05:49] this is rmp packets transform whith alien [05:49] in deb [05:49] ok [05:50] but i don't want to destroy system if they are bad [05:50] For which program? [05:50] this is for develop a prog doing this automatiquely === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:51] :-) Wouldn't it be easier to make a deb? [05:51] yes i make deb from rpm [05:52] No make a deb from the source code :) [05:52] all right but this is for install packet found on the web [05:52] Which packet? [05:52] everyone [05:53] What is it's name? [05:53] not one in particular === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@221.219.255.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:56] i am developing on kedevelop a prog for installing local package [05:56] Riddell: would be nice if you could upload these changes http://aplg.kollide.net/debdiff_amarok_1.4.5-6to7.diff [05:56] Ah [05:56] !chroot [05:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box [05:57] ded_: Read that. It will give you a way to test without hurting your system [06:01] thanks i will do it === {toma} [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === {toma} is now known as toma === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-97-129.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-12-39.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:48] What is IB? A Train or an airline? === stivani [n=stivani@d5152A75F.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:58] hmmh, shame, I think I cancel my aKademy plans from this year [06:58] that means have to be ready next year :) [06:59] manchicken: probably Iberia Airlines, if it's Spain yer looking at === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:07] Yeah. [07:07] Okay. cool. [07:13] alleeEdgy32_: ping [07:27] Riddell: the example-content package has been updated - you might want to check it out to see if I missed anything or if we should add anything [07:29] someone told me I was violating the CoC and bashing/disrespecting Microsoft on my blog. That angers me ;) [07:30] I didn't disrespect them, I just made it known they have yet another stupid security exploit involving animated mouse cursors. if that isn't stupid, then I don't know what is [07:30] lovely, like you all wanted to hear that, silly irssi had the wrong window open === apacheLAGger [n=me@N924P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [07:44] nixternal: i totally agree anyway. :) [07:44] hehe, why thank you === neoncode [n=neoncode@84.13.73.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:47] nixternal: You should know by now that when you disagree with Microsoft, you have disgraced yourself, your family, and your country. How unamerican. === nixternal kills himself [07:47] I am sorry Lord Ballmer [07:47] That's better. [07:47] Now scream excitedly in line to buy an autographed copy of Vista! [07:48] Gates I can somewhat respect as he wasn't *as* dirty as Ballmer, plus he does distribute a lot of money to underfunded educational centers around the world [07:48] I respect that [07:48] Totally. [07:48] manchicken: umm, can't do that one now [07:48] although the bookstore here on campus has Vista on sale [07:48] But he also undermines their freedom. And I think he should be held accountable for that. [07:49] I asked how many they have sold in the 2 months they have been on the shelf, and they said 1 [07:49] My new employer had a Vista OEM machine shipped to me for use in testing. [07:49] I will admit though, Vista packaging is very nice, so Microsoft's marketing team was working hard for this one [07:49] It'll sit in the box for a little while. [07:50] tell you new employer they need documentation experts (doxygen and docbook/xml/sgml), hell I can even do some C++, or Marketing or Management [07:50] heh === dany_21 [n=dan@83-65-234-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:51] soon I will learn Java, c#, ASP (eww), more C++, oh and I am doing my Qt books as well, which makes writing KDE stuff way easier than say, using the STL [07:52] forgot about Python and PyQt [07:52] although my Python books refer to GTK quite a bit [07:53] don't forget lisp :) === Arby [n=richard@82.153.140.208] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:54] fdoving: please no more. I have played around with that and ocaml because the glug guys in Chicago always talk about it [07:54] those will come later when I have spare time on my hands. oh wait, I already do ;o [07:58] nixternal: http://norvig.com/21-days.html and http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html are good. [07:58] haha, teach yourself programming in 10 years [07:59] read it all :) [08:03] apachelogger: the changelog mentions kio but I don't see anything else in the diff about kio [08:03] Riddell: description of package amarok was talking about playback support from kio [08:03] though that only worked for arts [08:03] and xine is still working on kio support [08:05] man, this is some good reading [08:08] good evening folks [08:15] are there any remote chances to get new upstream versions of packages into feisty at this time? [08:15] universe, that is. [08:15] apachelogger: oh, I see it [08:16] :) [08:16] apachelogger: uploaded [08:16] thx [08:18] fdoving: yes. mailody? [08:19] Lure: that's what i have in mind, yes. [08:19] 0.5.0 have huge improvements. [08:19] fdoving: it might be good to poke in #ubuntu-motu first just to have some hope [08:19] fdoving: possibly, if you're fast [08:19] yes [08:19] fdoving: has it moved out of playground yet? [08:19] nixternal: no, not yet. i belive the process is ongoing. === nixternal needs to update trunk [08:19] fdoving: I am just doing digikam-doc UVFe, but this is documentation only [08:20] Lure: ok. [08:20] ahh, OK, and then you or toma will get it tagged and rock-and-rollin' I take it :) [08:24] fdoving: will you prepare the package? === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:25] Lure: yes. === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:28] fdoving: ok, you can ping me if you need upload [08:29] Lure: mailody is actually in incoming.debian.org, can one request syncs at this time? [08:29] <\sh> cd12vf34 [08:29] <\sh> argl [08:29] fdoving: yep, just fill in bug and reference what to sync === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:30] fdoving: when you get +1 for UVFe, just susbcribe archive-admin to process the sync [08:30] so it's no difference from a normal sync from debian, just an UVF-sync. [08:30] thanks. [08:30] i'll go make the debdiffs etc. [08:31] fdoving: nope, just need to get from incoming to unstable/expiremental to be able to request sync [08:32] Lure: yes, i'll fetch the package anyhow, so if it doesn't make it i'll just have it uploaded with an ubuntu version, doesn't matter that much, it's a pretty simple package and we keep track of it pretty well. [08:32] fdoving: yep, just write in bug that is already in incoming and that sync may be possible [08:33] hum no pitti arround...... === vprints [n=laur@213-35-244-198-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:41] hey Tonio_ === toma is now known as toma_ [08:41] yuriy: ;) [08:42] yuriy: thanks for the nice bug triage, that helps a lot [08:42] yuriy: everything okay except the hal and tablet pc stuff [08:42] Tonio_: the patch to bug 47312 as is isn't violating string freeze? [08:42] Malone bug 47312 in kdebase "Message partially hidden in "File Sharing"" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47312 [08:42] yuriy: no [08:42] yuriy: that's not a new string [08:42] yuriy: just reuse of reexisting one [08:42] Tonio_: the message box part [08:42] oh [08:42] ok : ) [08:43] yuriy: not a problem in that case [08:44] hmm i need to find some bugs i can fix. then figure out this debdiff thing...again [08:49] <\sh> Tonio_: dude, I just managed to get holidays, for linuxtag :) [08:50] \sh: ho nice :) [08:50] \sh: the point is I'm unsure I can be there.... [08:51] \sh: I may have a new job very soon.... [08:51] and I'll already have to negociate for the uds [08:51] <\sh> Tonio_: well, I'll be there for kubuntu/ubuntu and for FAI [08:51] \sh: maybe I can come for the WE [08:51] <\sh> and at some stage also for lpi ;) [08:51] \sh: very nice :) [08:52] yuriy: if you manage to debdiff yourself, would be nice, just ping me for review and upload === pascalFR [i=idpMk89F@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [09:01] Tonio_: did i understand right, you removed the view menu from adept? [09:03] Okay, so does anybody have any idea why libsmjs-dev conflicts with evolution, firefox, libnss3, etc? [09:04] !info libsmjs-dev [09:04] yuriy: yes [09:04] libsmjs-dev: Migration package for the Mozilla SpiderMonkey JavaScript library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.0.5-4.2 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 92 kB [09:05] "This package exists solely for the purpose of migrating from the old package naming to the new one." [09:05] Tonio_: but didn't manchicken fix the show last dpkg view option? [09:05] Okay, so what package holds jsapi.h these days? [09:06] Tonio_: I submitted a patch for that last night. [09:06] manchicken: yes but we discussed with Riddell and well.... that's not very usefull [09:06] That depends whether or not the last dpkg run was successful or not. [09:06] honnestly the people interested in show last dpkg action are using apt-get in the shell.... [09:07] hum, let's consider it works then :) [09:07] If it failed to install something then the last dpkg run thing is useful. [09:07] there's a bug somewhere requesting that option.. [09:07] manchicken: better ask Riddell his plan, I wanted to use your patch and he told me to remove the menu, so....... [09:07] :) [09:07] i think it's useful just because adept has a tendency to show that "something went wrong" message and not tell you anything else [09:08] Tonio_: heh [09:08] so it's a workaround of sorts [09:09] Riddell: your opinion ? [09:10] what are we talking about? [09:11] Riddell: you told me remove the all "view" menuj in adept, which I did [09:11] My view menu patch [09:11] but looks like some of the option are interesting to keep [09:11] best keep them then [09:11] manchicken: the show list option in there wasn't working either right? that needs to be fixed too if the menu is to go back [09:11] show list? [09:11] hum okay [09:11] i think that's what else was in there.. there were 4 options iirc [09:12] manchicken: will reupload with your patch toonight, and only keep access to the repos management in the "adept" menu [09:12] one of them always said "show list" and was disabled. should probably be show list when in details view and show details when in list view [09:12] more important is getting the list item arrow back [09:15] Riddell: reject bug 92979 or change description according to your comment? [09:15] Malone bug 92979 in adept "adept on kubuntu feisty manage repositories does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92979 [09:17] Okay... [09:17] I'll focus on that then. [09:17] yuriy: change description [09:18] is the dist-upgrade tool in LP? [09:19] bug 93677 [09:19] Malone bug 93677 in adept "adept-manager (v2.1 cruiser) shows weird message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93677 === Erunno [n=matthes@stgt-590e3561.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:21] Good evening. Is it too late to ask for skipping the filesystem check on ext2/3 systems when a laptop is running on battery ? [09:21] Gentoo did that too and it's really beneficial towards the lifespan of a battery ;-) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:25] manchicken: fix released for bug 80618? [09:25] Malone bug 80618 in adept "adept-installer crashes when clicking next on 'there seems to be an update' dialog" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80618 [09:26] I believe so. [09:26] I should go thank the LP team. [09:27] Riddell: so is 92979 an adept or software-properties or sudo bug? [09:29] does anyone have the i386 daily iso for 20070327? [09:29] or perhaps a torrent file? [09:30] yuriy: could you assign that on with the arrow missing from the adept display to me? I'll try to find the number. [09:31] manchicken: woulda done it already if i could find it === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-254-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:32] manchicken: want bug 68949? [09:32] Malone bug 68949 in adept "Package descriptions are sometimes incorrect and do not match descriptions stored in the package database" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68949 [09:32] Ooh, I'm not sure I should say yes to that one. [09:32] heh [09:32] Riddell: Is there a bug posted for the expanding icon missing issue? [09:33] yuriy: Do we know if 68949 is happening on feisty still? [09:34] manchicken: how about bug 52461? that one _looks innocent enough [09:34] Malone bug 52461 in adept "Fix expanding item description at bottom of table so it no longer expands out of view" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52461 [09:34] manchicken: not for sure [09:35] yuriy: That one (52461) seems like it could be done better by switching it to a scrollable widget... [09:47] Riddell, Tonio_: can you sponsor one bugfix upload for me: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam.debdiff [09:49] Does someone have the most up-to-date adept bzr branch? [09:54] interesting bug 102532 with k3b in gnome... [09:54] Malone bug 102532 in Ubuntu "k3b does not run in gnome ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102532 === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508f0855.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:57] This is frustrating. I can't figure out which package has jsapi.h in it. === mbiebl [n=michael@e180076015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:58] manchicken: doesn't packages.ubuntu.com help you? [09:59] Let me try. [09:59] firefox-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, libmozjs-dev [09:59] Lure: will do toonight [09:59] fdoving: Very nicely put RTFM :) It's nice to know which documentation to go for :) [10:00] !find jsapi.h [10:00] File jsapi.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev [10:00] there you go, ubotu is smart :) [10:00] smarter than manchicken? === Tm_T hides [10:01] Nice. [10:01] Tonio_: thanks [10:04] !find jsobj.h [10:04] File jsobj.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev [10:05] !find jsinterp.h [10:05] File jsinterp.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev [10:06] Hmm... [10:06] libmozjs-dev conflicts with the same things that libsmjs-dev did..... [10:10] manchicken: New employer? [10:10] DaSkreech: Yup. [10:10] DaSkreech: Where have you been? :P [10:10] Lunch [10:16] bug 102544 [10:16] Malone bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102544 [10:22] vprints: Why did you file that bug against kdegraphics? [10:23] cause it didn't let me to do that against kpdf nor kghostview [10:23] But isn't the issue that Firefox is calling the 'wrong' application? [10:25] no, it is the mailcap entry of KPDF [10:26] mailcap value === Tonio__ [n=tonio@230.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:26] Ah. OK. Thankns [10:26] Thanks... [10:27] np [10:29] yuriy: sudo [10:39] Grumble... [10:40] I'm just gonna work off of the deb-src adept package. [10:41] where is the bzr branch? should i fetch it and tar it for you? === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:43] Lure: i have a user in #kubuntu with special-key-problems. nick: 'jnowka' if you have anything special you want him to add to the bugreport. [10:44] his 'enable touchpad button' launches khelpcenter. === Knightlust [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:45] fdoving: probably wrong mapping, we can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes [10:45] ok. [10:45] fdoving: and LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch for the keys that do not work [10:46] great, thanks. === pascalFR [i=idpMk89F@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [10:49] Whoot Debtags work again :) === dany_21 [n=dan@83-65-234-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Igorot [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === besonen_mobile2_ [n=devon@71-220-225-182.eugn.qwest.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@230.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] Lure: patching digikam, fyi [11:17] Tonio_: thanks === jjesse [n=jjesse@216.132.62.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:25] hi jjesse [11:30] 'evening guys === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [11:43] manchicken: uploading adept with your changes [11:43] Tonio_: Groovy. [11:44] manchicken: sorry for the misscomprehension :) [11:44] Totally not a problem :) === Tonio_ wonders if that's correct english....... === toma_ is now known as toma [11:44] is that correct ? misscomprehension ? [11:44] So many moving pieces, I'm surprised this is the first misunderstanding of the sort with me :) [11:44] Tonio_: Misunderstanding [11:44] okay ;) [11:44] Both make sense. [11:49] Automated testing rant: http://blog.notsosoft.net/ [11:53] manchicken: manchicken's house of hacking? [11:53] DaSkreech: Yup. [11:53] New job/ [11:53] ? [11:54] Yup. [11:54] You already asked that. [11:54] No I asked if you had a new job [11:54] I didn't ask if the manchicken house of hacking was the new job [11:55] Oh, nope. [11:55] manchicken: Oh Welcome to the nut house [11:55] Thanks. [11:55] hi DaSkreech [11:55] was out running [11:55] The new job is actually just an old job, but better this time around :) [11:55] the new job has nothing to do with your house of hacking? [11:55] jjesse: :-) [12:00] manchicken: So still doubleclick? [12:00] Just ... faster? === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495777c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] hey kwwii [12:02] howdy DaSkreech [12:02] No. [12:02] Not doubleclick anymore. [12:02] Back to DigitalWork. [12:02] kwwii: Feisty got someone to switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu cause it was so much prettier === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:02] manchicken: Ok what do they do? [12:02] hehe, kool [12:03] :-) [12:03] DaSkreech: http://www.zoomshare.com [12:03] so my work on Ubuntu is paying off in a different way :p [12:03] manchicken: Other than give you OEM great views (tm) ? [12:03] DaSkreech: Great views? [12:03] kwwii: Other than Pay? :-) [12:03] Youknow [12:03] like a Vista (tm) almost [12:04] I am secretly trying to Konvert people [12:04] from now I writing everything with K [12:04] DaSkreech: Making me run windows isn't a benefit :) [12:04] DaSkreech: It's a concession :) [12:05] Kool keep it up [12:05] *koff* [12:05] *skratch* [12:05] Tikks? === DaSkreech khukkles [12:09] manchicken: So just Live CD till they admit that' it's much much more practical [12:09] Except that they want internet exploder testing. [12:10] So Install it under Wine