[06:14] <nixternal> hey, I would like to create a "Welcome to Kubuntu" wiki page that will act like a one-stop shop that we can also link to in #kubuntu in order to shrink down that massive topic. That or fix /Kubuntu up a little bit. Comments?
[06:21] <freeflying> nixternal: cool :)
[06:21] <nixternal> there is one :)
[06:21] <jsgotangco> should work nicely too
[06:22] <nixternal> oh man, they just come out of the wood work around here ;p
[06:22] <nixternal> jsgotangco: Chicago is actually having a nice 2 day open source event for once
[06:22] <nixternal> this weekend. I am being urged to talk, however Chris DiBona and Mike Brown are talking, impossible for me to follow that act
[06:23] <jsgotangco> why not
[06:23] <jsgotangco> just say a few words or something
[06:44] <crimsun> nixternal: err, you're in an excellent position to speak about open source
[06:44] <nixternal> I sit on IRC all day, how is that an excellent position ;)
[06:44] <crimsun> speak about your doc work with edubuntu and kubuntu
[06:45] <crimsun> you're part of the doc team for arguably the most popular distro(s) ever
[06:45] <nixternal> about time someone realizes that Kubuntu is the most popular :)
[06:45] <crimsun> I'd say that despite their pedigrees, they have nothing to your actual involvement
[06:45] <nixternal> ya, it definitely won't be the first time for sure, but that is a powerful lineup
[06:46] <nixternal> so I shouldn't talk about my mad packaging skills then :)
[06:46] <crimsun> people will remember your enthusiasm far longer than they will your place in the speaking lineup
[06:47] <nixternal> crimsun: and lets not forget that I am also apart of KDE now as well, which is w/o a doubt teh greatest DE in the world!
[06:47] <nixternal> we are doing distro-wars as well. There will be Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, and Kubuntu going against SUSE, Fedora, and Linspire. That should be easy
[06:48] <nixternal> the entire Chicago group is going, about 20 deep to win that battle
[06:51] <giangy> 'morning guy
[06:51] <giangy> +s
[07:00] <manchicken_> Does anybody know why libmjs-dev conflicts with libnss3, firefox, and evolution?
[07:09] <manchicken_> yuriy: I'm gonna look at bug #62475 really quick.
[07:09] <ubotu> Malone bug 62475 in adept "view menu disabled" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62475
[07:09] <manchicken_> I haven't been able to pay attention to free software work lately.  Sorry I've been so absent.  heh
[07:21] <nixternal> no excuses please ;p
[07:44] <manchicken_> Nice.
[07:44] <manchicken_> Quiet you!  I just submitted a patch ;)
[07:50] <manchicken_> And I may submit a second one.
[07:50] <manchicken_> :P
[08:04] <manchicken_> nixternal: There.  I've submitted two patches tonight.  Consider yourself silenced ;)
[08:04] <manchicken_> With that, I do believe I'll crash for the night.
[08:05] <manchicken_> Nighty night.
[09:52] <asyd> "/S 12
[09:53] <asyd> oups
[10:00] <Hobbsee> basket done.  yay :)
[10:00] <apokryphos> basket's awesome 8)
[10:00] <Hobbsee> it is :D
[10:00] <Hobbsee> and this version fixes major crashers
[10:01] <apokryphos> ubotu: info basket
[10:01] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[10:01] <apokryphos> ubotu: info basket feisty
[10:01] <ubotu> basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (feisty), package size 4797 kB, installed size 7360 kB
[10:01] <apokryphos> yeah, the guy started adding features waaay too fast and it picked up loads of crashes. Pretty good these days though :D
[10:02] <apokryphos> I deluded myself thinking into it would be _the_ app for my revision, but it did at least help a lot with note-taking from different texts
[10:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:03] <Hobbsee> it's not bad - i dont think iv'e fully "gotten" it yet -but i'm getting there
[10:03] <Hobbsee> keep discovering neat bits that i use - makes a great todo list
[10:04] <apokryphos> yeah; it's still got so many features though; fortunately things you won't use don't get in your way at all
[10:04] <apokryphos> I think he's the same developer that's working on kirocker
[10:05] <apokryphos> which is also great 8)
[10:43] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: ack'd.  will be done on archive day
[10:54] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: eh?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: the sync request, sorry
[10:54] <Hobbsee> for 1.0.1 for feisty
[10:54] <apokryphos> ah, I see
[10:56] <_StefanS_> hey Hobbsee
[10:57] <Hobbsee> hi _StefanS_ :)
[11:07] <kwwii> when you resize a window with the mouse it resizes in both directions
[11:08] <Hobbsee> neat
[11:08] <kwwii> so when I grab the side of a window and make it bigger it gets bigger not only on the side you grabbed, but also on the opposite side
[11:08] <kwwii> so it does scale, just not as one would expect
[11:10] <Hobbsee> fun
[11:11] <apachelogger> kwwii: not sure whether this is a bug
[11:11] <apachelogger> happens with beryl as well IIRC
[11:12] <kwwii> apachelogger: yeah, I am running compiz
[11:12] <apokryphos> same issue with kwin?
[11:16] <apachelogger> anyone knows how to set the mail address 'dch' is using?
[11:18] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: in .bashrc
[11:20] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: thx
[12:28] <Jucato> :D
[12:28] <Jucato> lol
[12:28] <greeneggsandham> hahaha
[12:29] <giangy> yawn
[12:29] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: :P
[12:29] <Jucato> @schedule
[12:29] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 20:00: Technical Board
[12:30] <jsgotangco> spa?
[12:30] <Jucato> what's the trigger again to show the meetings schedule in local time?
[12:30] <jsgotangco> not bad combo
[12:30] <jsgotangco> @schedule foo
[12:30] <purpleeggsandham> freenode nick limit
[12:30] <giangy> I'm preparing an 8-pages article about KDE 4 for an Italian Linux magazine, hooray \o/ :)
[12:31] <DoomStick> there.
[12:33] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[12:33] <jsgotangco> i should think of something better
[12:39] <Jucato> :D
[12:39] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: heh.  Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  is taken
[12:40] <jsgotangco> ha ha ha
[12:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: how was Zagreb?
[12:46] <Jucato> hi Tonio_, hi Riddell!
[12:46] <Jucato> CC meeting in 15 minutes?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: seems so
[12:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: does the CC meeting include ubuntu members that got accepted through the KCC? (like me?)
[12:48] <Riddell> it's open to anyone
[12:48] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[12:48] <Riddell> anything on the agenda we should care about?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: but they're not going to ack you for membership again, or anything
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: world domination.  if it's nto there, i'll add it by osmosis
[12:49] <Jucato> oh nothing. just wondering what happened to jsgotangco's nomination :D
[12:49] <jsgotangco> hrmmm?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco's a member, isnt he?
[12:50] <Jucato> I mean nominated to the council... whatever you call it :D
[12:52] <jsgotangco> ahh that, perhaps its just waiting for launchpad 2.0
[12:53] <jsgotangco> or LP Reloaded whatever its called now
[12:53] <jsgotangco> oh wait LP isn't even on 1.0
[12:53] <jsgotangco> is it?
[12:53] <Jucato> :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> it is now, yes
[12:54] <Hobbsee> iirc
[12:54] <Hobbsee> oh yes,
[12:54] <Hobbsee> that, then
[12:56] <Jucato> ooh apokryphos is finally going to be a member :)
[12:58] <kwwii_> Riddell: ping?
[12:59] <Riddell> hi kwwii
[01:00] <ded_> in kdevelop how to regenerate dialog underclass from qt ui without delete implemented slot?
[01:00] <kwwii> Riddell: I am working on the example-content stuff (oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp)... who can tell me the "highlights" of Feisty
[01:00] <kwwii> or do we want to remove that slide?
[01:01] <Tonio__> hey kwwii
[01:01] <kwwii> hi Tonio__
[01:02] <Riddell> kwwii: pick whatever jumps out at your from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Beta/Kubuntu and the previous herd pages
[01:02] <kwwii> Riddell: great, will do...thanks :-)
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: no tips for k3b, be happy :)
[01:02] <Riddell> yay
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll review yury's mail for bgs with solutions posted
[01:04] <Riddell> bgs?
[01:04] <Tonio_> bugs
[01:05] <Hobbsee> bugs that are decreasing in size, hence have less letters.
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just have sometimes problems with the macbook keyboard :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> missing some letters since the keys are not exactly at the same place
[01:06] <Tonio_> ;)
[01:22] <Tonio_> are we in freeze atm ?
[01:25] <Riddell> no
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, let's go then
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also removed the multimedia things from k3b, it is now nativelly supported
[01:27] <Tonio_> with konqueror integration and everything
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/74262
[02:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 74262 in adept "Two "Manage Repositories" entries under different menus in Adept Manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: patch looks to fix this, are you okay so that I can upload this ?
[02:11] <Tonio_> I don't see any reason that we have duplicate entry...
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: unless that's your decision :)
[02:13] <asyd> hello Tonio_
[02:14] <Tonio_> hi asyd :)
[02:14] <Tonio_> asyd: as announced, someone had to shake me up in the train when arrived orlans :)
[02:16] <asyd> ahahah
[02:20] <Tonio_> asyd: you may have seen that in my eyes
[02:20] <Tonio_> "reguard bovin" mode :)
[02:28] <Tonio_> lots of patches to merge from launchpad
[02:30] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[02:30] <giangy> wey Tonio_ :)
[02:30] <Tonio_> hi giangy ;)
[02:31] <dandel> hello hobbsee.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hi dandel
[02:33] <dandel> hobbsee, you got the recent qt update right?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> dont know, havent looked
[02:33] <dandel> ah, well there is an updated version of that now.
[02:34] <asyd> 15
[02:34] <asyd> oups
[02:34] <Hobbsee> right
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking at bug 90445
[02:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 90445 in pbbuttonsd "powerprefs problems with touchpad "tap" and function key settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90445
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: that requires a patch to be applied to HAL (see bug 90451)
[02:53] <ubotu> Malone bug 90451 in hal "Add Tablet PC support (patch included)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90451
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to go with this, what's your opinion ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping pitti
[03:01] <giangy> Tonio_: http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=86 (have you read it?)
[03:01] <Tonio_> giangy: not yet, gimme a moment :)
[03:02] <giangy> np
[03:02] <Tonio_> giangy: interesting :)
[03:02] <Tonio_> giangy: I'll ping pitti who is in change of hal
[03:02] <Tonio_> giangy: would be nice to improve tablet pc support according to what opensuse does...
[03:03] <Tonio_> giangy: but I won't do the hal part without pitti's approval... then I'll do the kdebase/libs part
[03:03] <giangy> the maintainer seems to be pitti
[03:03] <giangy> Tonio_: is awesome if the taplet pc support works :)
[03:03] <giangy> *tablet
[03:04] <Tonio_> of course it os
[03:04] <Tonio_> s/os/is
[03:04] <Tonio_> giangy: I'm just affraid that'll eventually break the feature freeze....
[03:04] <Tonio_> technically that's a new feature, not a bugfix
[03:04] <giangy> mh, true
[03:05] <giangy> better to wait pitti :))
[03:06] <Tonio_> giangy: yep
[03:06] <Tonio_> giangy: good point is that I thik I think we can go with this as no risk
[03:06] <Tonio_> giangy: that's been widelly tested at suse side so......
[03:08] <giangy> wait :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> giangy: yeah, that's to do before pitti comes back :)
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> k3b-i18n (0.12.17-2)
[03:08] <Tonio_> giangy: I have other fixes to review
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> that one is not needed anymore
[03:08] <Tonio_> giangy: will you be there when I ask pitti ?
[03:09] <giangy> Tonio_: I think yes
[03:09] <Tonio_> giangy: cool
[03:10] <giangy> Tonio_: nothing about.
[03:11] <giangy> Tonio_: the only is related to Qt3 tablet support that was/is missing, but related to Suse only. ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=253392 )
[03:11] <ubotu> Novell bug 253392 in Other "qt3 tablet support missing" [Normal,Needinfo] 
[03:12] <Tonio_> giangy: there are also patches for kdebase/libs against this
[03:12] <giangy> our qt-package contains tablet support?
[03:12] <Tonio_> giangy: no but our kde packages can do so
[03:12] <Tonio_> giangy: only thing is that I need hal to be patched first to test those
[03:13] <Tonio_> giangy: therefore I don't want to waste time testing if patching hal is to late
[03:13] <giangy> ah okey
[03:13] <giangy> now I understand :)
[03:21] <giangy> mh, I have to edit http://k3b.plainblack.com/download on the Kubuntu section (at least update the branch that contains the latest packages -> feisty)
[03:22] <giangy> for the Maintainer field what can I insert? (Ubuntu Core Developers ? or some names?)
[03:24] <Riddell> giangy: Ubuntu Core Developers or Kubuntu Members
[03:24] <giangy> ok
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you suggest about the "repo manager" link in adept menus ?
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I patch to remove it from "view" ?
[03:35] <giangy> btw guys, I have to say that after 7-8 days that I'm staying here in channel I very like the kubuntu team :)
[03:35] <Tonio_> giangy: thanks ;)
[03:35] <Tonio_> giangy: you have been very appreciated too :)
[03:35] <giangy> heh thanks :))
[03:35] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: that whole view menu can go
[03:36] <Tonio_> hum okay, let's patch then !
[03:36] <giangy> but I'm (was..) working in the Slackware packaging team but now is the time to search other places.
[03:36] <Tonio_> giangy: hehe :)
[03:37] <Tonio_> giangy: yes I saw you where the k3b maintainer in slack
[03:37] <Tonio_> giangy: well we need packagers for kde apps, so if you have time......... I'd be glad to help you with the specifics of debian/kde packaging if you want
[03:38] <giangy> well, I tried.. but behind Slackware there is *one man*, *one decision*, this breaks my balls.
[03:38] <Tonio_> giangy: hum, I can understand this
[03:38] <giangy> Tonio_: well, I have time, but I don't know any debian packaging specifics, I have to read something about (hint for myself: google is my friend :>)
[03:38] <Tonio_> giangy: we here are your friends too :)
[03:39] <Tonio_> no rtfm here
[03:39] <giangy> oki
[03:43] <Tonio_> giangy: ust ask if you have questions
[03:44] <Tonio_> giangy: aknowledged people are more efficient than google at some points
[03:44] <giangy> Tonio_: ok, I have to finish an article about KDE4 and I'll start to read something about :)
[03:45] <imbrandon> moins all
[03:45] <Tonio_> giangy: sure
[03:45] <Tonio_> hi mr brandon
[03:45] <imbrandon> heya papa
[03:45] <imbrandon> :)
[03:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not yet :'(
[03:45] <Tonio_> unfortunately
[03:45] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:45] <Tonio_> gf comes back today, so maybe tomorrow I'll be a potential papa :)
[03:46] <giangy> gh
[03:46] <imbrandon> sounds like a good plan :)
[03:46] <Tonio_> depends the amount of bugs to fix lol
[03:46] <imbrandon> lol
[03:46] <imbrandon> gf> bugs
[03:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: obsously yes :)
[03:46] <Tonio_> obviously
[03:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:53] <Hobbsee> damn thing just freezes most of the time, when the kill switch isnt enabled on my 3945 wifi card.
[04:06] <bddebian> Morning
[04:06] <Tm_T> moin
[04:09] <Hobbsee> right.  we have edgy
[04:25] <manchicken> WHY does amarok have their lists.sf.net email address hard-coded into amarok crashes if it isn't working?
[04:26] <vprints> Good afternoon!
[04:26] <manchicken> nowdy
[04:26] <manchicken> howdy*
[04:26] <manchicken> Goodness, that was a bad typo.
[04:26] <manchicken> Riddell: Dionne Wheeler got back to me on travel stuff.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yay, lucky
[04:26] <manchicken> Riddell: Does she handle hotel accommodations as well?
[04:27] <manchicken> Hobbsee: My passport is pretty :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> manchicken: mine's terrible - i'm not using that as a form of ID more than i have to!
[04:27] <vprints> Is there any specific reason why does firefox use Kghostview instead of Kpdf ?
[04:27] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Mine has all sorts of pretty colors and holograms and such.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> neat
[04:28] <manchicken> vprints: Is there any specific reason why you're using firefox instead of konqueror? :P
[04:28] <manchicken> heh
[04:28] <vprints> ye, it is familiar for people i convert from windows
[04:29] <Hobbsee> vprints: we dont set that.  is kghostview regarded as the default pdf app?
[04:30] <Riddell> manchicken: no, canonical books the hotel
[04:31] <manchicken> Riddell: Okay.  If I go through Dionne Wheeler, does Canonical directly handle the bill for the flight?
[04:32] <vprints> kpdf is the default, but not for firefox
[04:32] <Jucato> about:config or something...
[04:32] <vprints> firefox still uses kghostview
[04:33] <vprints> i think it should be changed generally to use kpdf
[04:33] <vprints> because kghostview fails to show previews of pages
[04:33] <Hobbsee> vprints: afaik, we dont actually set the firefox preffered apps
[04:33] <manchicken> vprints: Konq is pretty darn easy to pick up.
[04:34] <vprints> ok, sorry i asked
[04:34] <Hobbsee> last i saw, anyway
[04:41] <kwwii> Tonio_: if you're busy fixing bugs, let me know and I'll take care of your other duties :p
[04:43] <kwwii> manchicken: yes, if you do it that way they will pay for it directly
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: sure :)
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: I fixed the font size on kdm
[04:44] <kwwii> Tonio_: what was the problem with the font?
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: as you know french is the language with largest words, so it might be okay for everyone now
[04:44] <kwwii> hehe
[04:44] <kwwii> cool
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: too large...
[04:44] <kwwii> line wrapping
[04:44] <Tonio_> I changes from 12 to 11
[04:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: exactly
[04:45] <Tonio_> I have to go for a moment, brb
[04:47] <Hobbsee> oh, spain details here too
[04:51] <claydoh> I am in a foul mood today
[04:51] <claydoh> oops oops
[04:51] <claydoh> sorry
[04:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:51] <claydoh> not meant for here
[04:53] <Jucato> :)
[04:53] <LongPointyStick> kde black looks quite nice
[04:53] <LongPointyStick> heh
[04:53] <Jucato> :)
[04:53] <Jucato> goodnight LongPointyStick/Hobbsee
[04:53] <claydoh> Jucato: I would *never* let it show here, in public so to speak
[04:53] <LongPointyStick> :)
[04:54] <claydoh> night LongPointyStick\
[04:54] <Jucato> ah
[04:55] <LongPointyStick> ahh
[04:55] <Jucato> ??
[04:56] <LongPointyStick> a month till spain :)
[04:56] <Jucato> aah :)
[04:56] <Jucato> the next one will be in Boston right? :D
[04:56] <LongPointyStick> :)
[04:57] <LongPointyStick> yeah
[04:57] <Jucato> aw... :(
[04:57] <Jucato> anyway, let me not keep you from your beauty sleep :P
[04:58] <LongPointyStick> why wouldnt you be?
[04:58] <Jucato> hm... dunno... the future is always uncertain :)
[04:58] <Jucato> I might be on Windows... :D
[04:59] <LongPointyStick> heh
[04:59] <Jucato> and if (only if) I do... I will always be doing Kubuntu work :)
[05:03] <Tm_T> my eyes...
[05:03] <LongPointyStick> :)
[05:03] <Tm_T> it really does take some time before eyes gets used to it
[05:04] <LongPointyStick> heh, yes.
[05:04] <LongPointyStick> you had none before?
[05:23] <apokryphos> Riddell: I see irssi have that old ban problem you were talking about in their faq, btw: http://irssi.org/documentation/faq
[05:23] <Jucato> hi apokryphos!! how did the membership go? :)
[05:24] <apokryphos> Jucato: I completely forgot it was today, actually :o
[05:24] <apokryphos> pictured it some time further in the future 8). Hopefully I'll be around next time..
[05:24] <Jucato> oh... :P
[05:26] <Riddell> apokryphos: interesting
[05:26] <Riddell> if not very enlightening
[05:27] <apokryphos> 'people say they have this, I'm guessing what it would be, but we don't know why it happens' :P
[05:46] <ded_> hi is there somone who know if there is a soft to install a packet in beta without destroy the system if it is bad
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ded_: Sorry?
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ded_: You want to install something without harming your system?
[05:47] <ded_> DaSkreech: excuse my english
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ded_: I figured ;-)
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Is that correct though?
[05:47] <ded_> harming ?
[05:48] <ded_> i did nt understand
[05:48] <Jucato> apt-get with the -s (simulate) switch?
[05:48] <DaSkreech> ded_: Which packet in beta do you want to install?
[05:49] <ded_> in reality this is not for beta packet
[05:49] <DaSkreech> ah What is it for?
[05:49] <ded_> this is rmp packets transform whith alien
[05:49] <ded_> in deb
[05:49] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:50] <ded_> but i don't want to destroy system if they are bad
[05:50] <DaSkreech> For which program?
[05:50] <ded_> this is for develop a prog doing this automatiquely
[05:51] <DaSkreech> :-) Wouldn't it be easier to make a deb?
[05:51] <ded_> yes i make deb from rpm
[05:52] <DaSkreech> No make a deb from the source code :)
[05:52] <ded_> all right but this is for install packet found on the web
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Which packet?
[05:52] <ded_> everyone
[05:53] <DaSkreech> What is it's name?
[05:53] <ded_> not one in particular
[05:56] <ded_> i am developing on kedevelop a prog for installing local package
[05:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: would be nice if you could upload these changes http://aplg.kollide.net/debdiff_amarok_1.4.5-6to7.diff
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Ah
[05:56] <DaSkreech> !chroot
[05:56] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[05:57] <DaSkreech> ded_: Read that. It will give you a way to test without hurting your system
[06:01] <ded_> thanks i will do it
[06:48] <manchicken> What is IB?  A Train or an airline?
[06:58] <Tm_T> hmmh, shame, I think I cancel my aKademy plans from this year
[06:58] <Tm_T> that means have to be ready next year :)
[06:59] <claydoh> manchicken: probably Iberia Airlines, if it's Spain yer looking at
[07:07] <manchicken> Yeah.
[07:07] <manchicken> Okay.  cool.
[07:13] <Lure> alleeEdgy32_: ping
[07:27] <kwwii> Riddell: the example-content package has been updated - you might want to check it out to see if I missed anything or if we should add anything
[07:29] <nixternal> someone told me I was violating the CoC and bashing/disrespecting Microsoft on my blog. That angers me ;)
[07:30] <nixternal> I didn't disrespect them, I just made it known they have yet another stupid security exploit involving animated mouse cursors. if that isn't stupid, then I don't know what is
[07:30] <nixternal> lovely, like you all wanted to hear that, silly irssi had the wrong window open
[07:44] <fdoving> nixternal: i totally agree anyway. :)
[07:44] <nixternal> hehe, why thank you
[07:47] <manchicken> nixternal: You should know by now that when you disagree with Microsoft, you have disgraced yourself, your family, and your country.  How unamerican.
[07:47] <nixternal> I am sorry Lord Ballmer
[07:47] <manchicken> That's better.
[07:47] <manchicken> Now scream excitedly in line to buy an autographed copy of Vista!
[07:48] <nixternal> Gates I can somewhat respect as he wasn't *as* dirty as Ballmer, plus he does distribute a lot of money to underfunded educational centers around the world
[07:48] <nixternal> I respect that
[07:48] <manchicken> Totally.
[07:48] <nixternal> manchicken: umm, can't do that one now
[07:48] <nixternal> although the bookstore here on campus has Vista on sale
[07:48] <manchicken> But he also undermines their freedom.  And I think he should be held accountable for that.
[07:49] <nixternal> I asked how many they have sold in the 2 months they have been on the shelf, and they said 1
[07:49] <manchicken> My new employer had a Vista OEM machine shipped to me for use in testing.
[07:49] <nixternal> I will admit though, Vista packaging is very nice, so Microsoft's marketing team was working hard for this one
[07:49] <manchicken> It'll sit in the box for a little while.
[07:50] <nixternal> tell you new employer they need documentation experts (doxygen and docbook/xml/sgml), hell I can even do some C++, or Marketing or Management
[07:50] <manchicken> heh
[07:51] <nixternal> soon I will learn Java, c#, ASP (eww), more C++, oh and I am doing my Qt books as well, which makes writing KDE stuff way easier than say, using the STL
[07:52] <nixternal> forgot about Python and PyQt
[07:52] <nixternal> although my Python books refer to GTK quite a bit
[07:53] <fdoving> don't forget lisp :)
[07:54] <nixternal> fdoving: please no more. I have played around with that and ocaml because the glug guys in Chicago always talk about it
[07:54] <nixternal> those will come later when I have spare time on my hands. oh wait, I already do ;o
[07:58] <fdoving> nixternal: http://norvig.com/21-days.html and http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html are good.
[07:58] <nixternal> haha, teach yourself programming in 10 years
[07:59] <fdoving> read it all :)
[08:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: the changelog mentions kio but I don't see anything else in the diff about kio
[08:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: description of package amarok was talking about playback support from kio
[08:03] <apachelogger> though that only worked for arts
[08:03] <apachelogger> and xine is still working on kio support
[08:05] <nixternal> man, this is some good reading
[08:08] <mhb> good evening folks
[08:15] <fdoving> are there any remote chances to get new upstream versions of packages into feisty at this time?
[08:15] <fdoving> universe, that is.
[08:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh, I see it
[08:16] <apachelogger> :)
[08:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded
[08:16] <apachelogger> thx
[08:18] <Lure> fdoving: yes. mailody?
[08:19] <fdoving> Lure: that's what i have in mind, yes.
[08:19] <fdoving> 0.5.0 have huge improvements.
[08:19] <Lure> fdoving: it might  be good to poke in #ubuntu-motu first just to have some hope
[08:19] <Riddell> fdoving: possibly, if you're fast
[08:19] <Riddell> yes
[08:19] <nixternal> fdoving: has it moved out of playground yet?
[08:19] <fdoving> nixternal: no, not yet. i belive the process is ongoing.
[08:19] <Lure> fdoving: I am just doing digikam-doc UVFe, but this is documentation only
[08:20] <fdoving> Lure: ok.
[08:20] <nixternal> ahh, OK, and then you or toma will get it tagged and rock-and-rollin' I take it :)
[08:24] <Lure> fdoving: will you prepare the package?
[08:25] <fdoving> Lure: yes.
[08:28] <Lure> fdoving: ok, you can ping me if you need upload
[08:29] <fdoving> Lure: mailody is actually in incoming.debian.org, can one request syncs at this time?
[08:29] <\sh> cd12vf34
[08:29] <\sh> argl
[08:29] <Lure> fdoving: yep, just fill in bug and reference what to sync
[08:30] <Lure> fdoving: when you get +1 for UVFe, just susbcribe archive-admin to process the sync
[08:30] <fdoving> so it's no difference from a normal sync from debian, just an UVF-sync.
[08:30] <fdoving> thanks.
[08:30] <fdoving> i'll go make the debdiffs etc.
[08:31] <Lure> fdoving: nope, just need to get from incoming to unstable/expiremental to be able to request sync
[08:32] <fdoving> Lure: yes, i'll fetch the package anyhow, so if it doesn't make it i'll just have it uploaded with an ubuntu version, doesn't matter that much, it's a pretty simple package and we keep track of it pretty well.
[08:32] <Lure> fdoving: yep, just write in bug that is already in incoming and that sync may be possible
[08:33] <Tonio_> hum no pitti arround......
[08:41] <yuriy> hey Tonio_
[08:41] <Tonio_> yuriy: ;)
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: thanks for the nice bug triage, that helps a lot
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: everything okay except the hal and tablet pc stuff
[08:42] <yuriy> Tonio_: the patch to bug 47312 as is isn't violating string freeze?
[08:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 47312 in kdebase "Message partially hidden in "File Sharing"" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47312
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: no
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: that's not a new string
[08:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: just reuse of reexisting one
[08:42] <yuriy> Tonio_: the message box part
[08:42] <yuriy> oh
[08:42] <yuriy> ok : )
[08:43] <Tonio_> yuriy: not a problem in that case
[08:44] <yuriy> hmm i need to find some bugs i can fix. then figure out this debdiff thing...again
[08:49] <\sh> Tonio_: dude, I just managed to get holidays, for linuxtag :)
[08:50] <Tonio_> \sh: ho nice :)
[08:50] <Tonio_> \sh: the point is I'm unsure I can be there....
[08:51] <Tonio_> \sh: I may have a new job very soon....
[08:51] <Tonio_> and I'll already have to negociate for the uds
[08:51] <\sh> Tonio_: well, I'll be there for kubuntu/ubuntu and for FAI
[08:51] <Tonio_> \sh: maybe I can come for the WE
[08:51] <\sh> and at some stage also for lpi ;)
[08:51] <Tonio_> \sh: very nice :)
[08:52] <Tonio_> yuriy: if you manage to debdiff yourself, would be nice, just ping me for review and upload
[09:01] <yuriy> Tonio_: did i understand right, you removed the view menu from adept?
[09:03] <manchicken> Okay, so does anybody have any idea why libsmjs-dev conflicts with evolution, firefox, libnss3, etc?
[09:04] <yuriy> !info libsmjs-dev
[09:04] <Tonio_> yuriy: yes
[09:04] <ubotu> libsmjs-dev: Migration package for the Mozilla SpiderMonkey JavaScript library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.0.5-4.2 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 92 kB
[09:05] <yuriy> "This package exists solely for the purpose of migrating from the old package naming to the new one."
[09:05] <yuriy> Tonio_: but didn't manchicken fix the show last dpkg view option?
[09:05] <manchicken> Okay, so what package holds jsapi.h these days?
[09:06] <manchicken> Tonio_: I submitted a patch for that last night.
[09:06] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes but we discussed with Riddell and well.... that's not very usefull
[09:06] <manchicken> That depends whether or not the last dpkg run was successful or not.
[09:06] <Tonio_> honnestly the people interested in show last dpkg action are using apt-get in the shell....
[09:07] <Tonio_> hum, let's consider it works then :)
[09:07] <manchicken> If it failed to install something then the last dpkg run thing is useful.
[09:07] <yuriy> there's a bug somewhere requesting that option..
[09:07] <Tonio_> manchicken: better ask Riddell his plan, I wanted to use your patch and he told me to remove the menu, so.......
[09:07] <Tonio_> :)
[09:07] <yuriy> i think it's useful just because adept has a tendency to show that "something went wrong" message and not tell you anything else
[09:08] <manchicken> Tonio_: heh
[09:08] <yuriy> so it's a workaround of sorts
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: your opinion ?
[09:10] <Riddell> what are we talking about?
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: you told me remove the all "view" menuj in adept, which I did
[09:11] <manchicken> My view menu patch
[09:11] <Tonio_> but looks like some of the option are interesting to keep
[09:11] <Riddell> best keep them then
[09:11] <yuriy> manchicken: the show list option in there wasn't working either right? that needs to be fixed too if the menu is to go back
[09:11] <manchicken> show list?
[09:11] <Tonio_> hum okay
[09:11] <yuriy> i think that's what else was in there.. there were 4 options iirc
[09:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: will reupload with your patch toonight, and only keep access to the repos management in the "adept" menu
[09:12] <yuriy> one of them always said "show list" and was disabled. should probably be show list when in details view and show details when in list view
[09:12] <Riddell> more important is getting the list item arrow back
[09:15] <yuriy> Riddell: reject bug 92979 or change description according to your comment?
[09:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 92979 in adept "adept on kubuntu feisty manage repositories does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92979
[09:17] <manchicken> Okay...
[09:17] <manchicken> I'll focus on that then.
[09:17] <Riddell> yuriy: change description
[09:18] <yuriy> is the dist-upgrade tool in LP?
[09:19] <yuriy> bug 93677
[09:19] <ubotu> Malone bug 93677 in adept "adept-manager (v2.1 cruiser) shows weird message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93677
[09:21] <Erunno> Good evening. Is it too late to ask for skipping the filesystem check on ext2/3 systems when a laptop is running on battery ?
[09:21] <Erunno> Gentoo did that too and it's really beneficial towards the lifespan of a battery ;-)
[09:25] <yuriy> manchicken: fix released for bug 80618?
[09:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 80618 in adept "adept-installer crashes when clicking next on 'there seems to be an update' dialog" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80618
[09:26] <manchicken> I believe so.
[09:26] <manchicken> I should go thank the LP team.
[09:27] <yuriy> Riddell: so is 92979 an adept or software-properties or sudo bug?
[09:29] <Majost> does anyone have the i386 daily iso for 20070327?
[09:29] <Majost> or perhaps a torrent file?
[09:30] <manchicken> yuriy: could you assign that on with the arrow missing from the adept display to me? I'll try to find the number.
[09:31] <yuriy> manchicken: woulda done it already if i could find it
[09:32] <yuriy> manchicken: want bug 68949?
[09:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 68949 in adept "Package descriptions are sometimes incorrect and do not match descriptions stored in the package database" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68949
[09:32] <manchicken> Ooh, I'm not sure I should say yes to that one.
[09:32] <manchicken> heh
[09:32] <manchicken> Riddell: Is there a bug posted for the expanding icon missing issue?
[09:33] <manchicken> yuriy: Do we know if 68949 is happening on feisty still?
[09:34] <yuriy> manchicken: how about bug 52461? that one _looks innocent enough
[09:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 52461 in adept "Fix expanding item description at bottom of table so it no longer expands out of view" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52461
[09:34] <yuriy> manchicken: not for sure
[09:35] <manchicken> yuriy: That one (52461) seems like it could be done better by switching it to a scrollable widget...
[09:47] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: can you sponsor one bugfix upload for me: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/digikam.debdiff
[09:49] <manchicken> Does someone have the most up-to-date adept bzr branch?
[09:54] <Lure> interesting bug 102532 with k3b in gnome...
[09:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102532 in Ubuntu "k3b does not run in gnome ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102532
[09:57] <manchicken> This is frustrating.  I can't figure out which package has jsapi.h in it.
[09:58] <fdoving> manchicken: doesn't packages.ubuntu.com help you?
[09:59] <manchicken> Let me try.
[09:59] <fdoving> firefox-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, libmozjs-dev
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure: will do toonight
[09:59] <manchicken> fdoving: Very nicely put RTFM :)  It's nice to know which documentation to go for :)
[10:00] <fdoving> !find jsapi.h
[10:00] <ubotu> File jsapi.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev
[10:00] <fdoving> there you go, ubotu is smart :)
[10:00] <Tm_T> smarter than manchicken?
[10:01] <manchicken> Nice.
[10:01] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[10:04] <manchicken> !find jsobj.h
[10:04] <ubotu> File jsobj.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev
[10:05] <manchicken> !find jsinterp.h
[10:05] <ubotu> File jsinterp.h found in firefox-dev, libmozjs-dev, mozilla-dev, mozilla-thunderbird-dev, nvu-dev
[10:06] <manchicken> Hmm...
[10:06] <manchicken> libmozjs-dev conflicts with the same things that libsmjs-dev did.....
[10:10] <DaSkreech> manchicken: New employer?
[10:10] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Yup.
[10:10] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Where have you been? :P
[10:10] <DaSkreech> Lunch
[10:16] <vprints> bug 102544
[10:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 102544 in kdegraphics "Firefox uses not fully functional Kghostview to open PDF's in KDE instead of the system default KPDF" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102544
[10:22] <ScottK> vprints: Why did you file that bug against kdegraphics?
[10:23] <vprints> cause it didn't let me to do that against kpdf nor kghostview
[10:23] <ScottK> But isn't the issue that Firefox is calling the 'wrong' application?
[10:25] <vprints> no, it is the mailcap entry of KPDF
[10:26] <vprints> mailcap value
[10:26] <ScottK> Ah. OK.  Thankns
[10:26] <ScottK> Thanks...
[10:27] <vprints> np
[10:29] <Riddell> yuriy: sudo
[10:39] <manchicken> Grumble...
[10:40] <manchicken> I'm just gonna work off of the deb-src adept package.
[10:41] <fdoving> where is the bzr branch? should i fetch it and tar it for you?
[10:43] <fdoving> Lure: i have a user in #kubuntu with special-key-problems. nick: 'jnowka' if you have anything special you want him to add to the bugreport.
[10:44] <fdoving> his 'enable touchpad button' launches khelpcenter.
[10:45] <Lure> fdoving: probably wrong mapping, we can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes
[10:45] <fdoving> ok.
[10:45] <Lure> fdoving: and LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch  for the keys that do not work
[10:46] <fdoving> great, thanks.
[10:49] <DaSkreech> Whoot Debtags work again :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> Lure: patching digikam, fyi
[11:17] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[11:25] <DaSkreech> hi jjesse
[11:30] <giangy> 'evening guys
[11:43] <Tonio_> manchicken: uploading adept with your changes
[11:43] <manchicken> Tonio_: Groovy.
[11:44] <Tonio_> manchicken: sorry for the misscomprehension :)
[11:44] <manchicken> Totally not a problem :)
[11:44] <Tonio_> is that correct ? misscomprehension ?
[11:44] <manchicken> So many moving pieces, I'm surprised this is the first misunderstanding of the sort with me :)
[11:44] <manchicken> Tonio_: Misunderstanding
[11:44] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[11:44] <manchicken> Both make sense.
[11:49] <manchicken> Automated testing rant: http://blog.notsosoft.net/
[11:53] <DaSkreech> manchicken: manchicken's house of hacking?
[11:53] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Yup.
[11:53] <DaSkreech> New job/
[11:53] <DaSkreech> ?
[11:54] <manchicken> Yup.
[11:54] <manchicken> You already asked that.
[11:54] <DaSkreech> No I asked if you had a new job
[11:54] <DaSkreech>  I didn't ask if the manchicken house of hacking was the new job
[11:55] <manchicken> Oh, nope.
[11:55] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Oh Welcome to the nut house
[11:55] <manchicken> Thanks.
[11:55] <jjesse> hi DaSkreech
[11:55] <jjesse> was out running
[11:55] <manchicken> The new job is actually just an old job, but better this time around :)
[11:55] <DaSkreech> the new job has nothing to do with your house of hacking?
[11:55] <DaSkreech> jjesse: :-)
[12:00] <DaSkreech> manchicken: So still doubleclick?
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Just ... faster?
[12:01] <DaSkreech> hey kwwii
[12:02] <kwwii> howdy DaSkreech
[12:02] <manchicken> No.
[12:02] <manchicken> Not doubleclick anymore.
[12:02] <manchicken> Back to DigitalWork.
[12:02] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Feisty got someone to switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu cause it was so much prettier
[12:02] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Ok what do they do?
[12:02] <kwwii> hehe, kool
[12:03] <kwwii> :-)
[12:03] <manchicken> DaSkreech: http://www.zoomshare.com
[12:03] <kwwii> so my work on Ubuntu is paying off in a different way :p
[12:03] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Other than give you OEM great views (tm) ?
[12:03] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Great views?
[12:03] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Other than Pay? :-)
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Youknow
[12:03] <DaSkreech> like a  Vista (tm) almost
[12:04] <kwwii> I am secretly trying to Konvert people
[12:04] <kwwii> from now I writing everything with K
[12:04] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Making me run windows isn't a benefit :)
[12:04] <manchicken> DaSkreech: It's a concession :)
[12:05] <DaSkreech> Kool keep it up
[12:05] <DaSkreech> *koff*
[12:05] <manchicken> *skratch*
[12:05] <DaSkreech> Tikks?
[12:09] <DaSkreech> manchicken: So just Live CD till they admit that' it's much much more practical
[12:09] <manchicken> Except that they want internet exploder testing.
[12:10] <DaSkreech> So Install it under Wine