=== firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-120-244-121.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notification-daemon/+bug/102128 [12:19] Malone bug 102128 in notification-daemon "Notification daemon leaks X11 windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-49-5.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] mjg59: still there? can you test 1.2.10c-0ubuntu1? [12:28] mjg59: bug 102114, if you're interested :) [12:28] Malone bug 102114 in liferea "[UVFe] Liferea 1.2.10c" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102114 === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] pochu: Sure - in the archive, or elsewhere? [12:50] mjg59: do you have i386? [12:50] if you want a .deb, you have it here: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ (built in pbuilder) [12:50] mjg59: otherwise, bug 102114 [12:50] Malone bug 102114 in liferea "[UVFe] Liferea 1.2.10c" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102114 [12:50] :) === hugomelo [n=hugo@143.106.7.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] pochu: Not much good without liferea-mozilla.deb as well :) [12:53] LoL [12:53] hehe [12:53] one sec :) [12:54] mjg59: refresh please :) === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-8bbd457d4566e6e0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@220-253-100-63.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KnowledgEngineer [n=favolosa@host-84-221-157-189.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] hello [01:43] is possible install ubuntu in a Macintosh [01:43] ?? === arpu [n=arpu@chello080109078137.4.15.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] KnowledgEngineer: Please ask support questions in #ubuntu === KnowledgEngineer [n=favolosa@host-84-221-157-189.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:45] pochu: Works fine! [01:46] mjg59: cool! feel free to comment in bug 102114 :) [01:46] Malone bug 102114 in liferea "[UVFe] Liferea 1.2.10c" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102114 === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === juell [n=jga@p85.212.77.157.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin_ [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndrewB [n=andy@tuxhacker/pdpc.supporter.student.AndrewB] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@adsl-71-146-98-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === acacs [n=acacs@20132137148.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === 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morning guys === juell [n=jga@p85.212.77.157.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === juell [n=jga@p85.212.77.157.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] hi fabbione [06:13] yo === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.212.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchick@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] Anybody got any clue why libmjs-dev conflicts with firefox, libnss3, and evolution among others? [07:12] libmjs0 didn't... === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] huh [07:24] does nmap fall under debian notfree? [07:24] it is licensed under the GPL [07:25] no, it's in main. [07:25] however, its license considers any program that executes nmap and parses (not displays raw) the results as a "derivative work" [07:25] bluefoxicy: which then should be GPL too [07:25] and if the program reads nmap-os-fingerprints or nmap-service-probe files, it's a "derivative work" as well [07:26] (i.e. if it looks for installed nmap and reads the contents of those files) [07:26] the GPL supports neither of those claims [07:26] Treenaks: so if I run, say, 'ls' and run the result through 'cut' and display an aggregate of ownership of files (who owns how many), that program has to be GPL because it's a derivative work of ls and cut? [07:27] desrt: man nmap and go down to line 1635 [07:27] not installed :p [07:27] are you nuts? [07:28] bluefoxicy: Real Men use telnet + seq ;) [07:28] vrms complained so i removed it [07:28] vrms? [07:28] bluefoxicy: apt-cache show vrms [07:28] are you nuts? [07:29] wow, that's horriffic. [07:30] bluefoxicy; nmap's claims are almost definitely bogus [07:30] desrt: it's part of the license [07:31] no. it's not. [07:31] This program is free software; you may redistribute and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; Version 2. [07:31] i am therefore licensed to do anything authorised by the GPL [07:31] Nmap Copyright and Licensing [07:31] The Nmap Security Scanner is (C) 1996-2005 Insecure.Com LLC. Nmap is also a registered trademark of Insecure.Com [07:31] LLC. This program is free software; you may redistribute and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; Version 2. [07:32] the person owning the copyright doesn't matter. they grant certain rights by distributing under GPL. [07:32] Note that the GPL places important restrictions on derived works, yet it does not provide a detailed definition of that term. To avoid misunderstandings, we consider an application to constitute a derivative work for the purpose of this license if it does any of the following: [07:32] [07:32] desrt: amap is no longer available in Ubuntu because it's GPL + you're not allowed to use it to hack into peoples' machines illegally. [07:32] oh. by the way: i consider an application a derived work if it was written by a person who has ever talked to me on IRC. [07:33] ... [07:33] desrt: oh plus you have to mention the name and version etc if you distribute commercially. === tbf [n=mathias@ip-80-226-0-1.vodafone-net.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:33] http://www.thc.org/thc-amap/ under disclaimer. === desrt yawns [07:34] GPL is GPL. these claims are meaningless. [07:34] under GPL, for example, you can choose to redistribute without this manpage. [07:34] heh [07:34] so what? again -- makes no difference [07:35] the GPL does not have a plugin infrastructure :p [07:35] (yet...) [07:36] oddly enough there's a special exception for linking programs with openssl and .. what the fuck does this say [07:36] that's a grant of additional rights [07:36] and it's a modification of the actual license [07:36] http://rafb.net/p/HvjQsC57.html [07:37] thaaaaat makes no sense. [07:37] it makes a lot of sense === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] and it's a modification of the actual license [07:38] "If you received these files with a written license agreement or contract stating terms other than the terms above, then that alternative license agreement takes precedence over these comments." Also nmap is apparently REALLY BSD licensed :p [07:38] desrt: but even gpl3 only will allow you to widen permissions [07:38] if nmap wanted to do what they are trying to do then they should have modified the GPL [07:38] tbf: as the copyright holder you can do whatever the hell you want [07:39] you can say something is LGPL but you have to only run it when entertaining a dancing monkey or else the license is invalid. [07:39] bluefoxicy; but then it's _not LGPL_ === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEDB03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] it's a new licensed based on LGPL [07:39] desrt: hey you see the point! [07:40] nmap says quite clearly "This program is free software; you may redistribute and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; Version 2. [07:40] i can therefore chose to ignore their additional claims and redistribute straight-up under GPL2 [07:40] *choose [07:40] technically not [07:41] technically i may redistribute and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation [07:41] and technically they can bite me if they try to stop me [07:41] the additional claims are described as their interpretation of the license; copyright holder's interpretation, if documented, is then open to interpretation by court as part of the license. [07:41] bluefoxicy: you'd need to receive the alternate license agreement from some legitime copyright holder [07:41] bluefoxicy: otherwise that clause is void [07:41] technically my interpretation of the GNU GPL is that the linking clause is invalid and I treat the GPL exactly as the LGPL === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] so by desrt's logic I can pretty much ignore that part of the GPL [07:42] bluefoxicy: guess you'll fail with that interpretation in court [07:42] tbf: are you up to speed on what we're talking about? === cyt [n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:43] bluefoxicy; In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License. === cyt [n=cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:43] bluefoxicy; installsheild is definitely a distribution medium [07:43] bluefoxicy: you claimed the linking clause of the GPL invalid [07:43] bluefoxicy; so not only are their ideas bogus... but some of them are outright contradictory.... [07:43] bluefoxicy: and my believe is you'll fail in court with that interpretation [07:44] bluefoxicy: when GPL was tested in german courts reasoning of the judges always was: "GPL enhances your rights. the restrictions to not reduce your rights below the default case. so every restriction of it is valid." [07:44] tbf: http://rafb.net/p/PTpOZj96.html desrt's claim is that once you reach line 4, lines 10-24 are invalid [07:45] *do [07:45] (particularly 16-19) [07:45] bluefoxicy: a licence is not a program, it has to be interpreted as a whole. [07:46] Mithrandir: that is my argument, yes. [07:46] nmap says quite clearly "This program is free software; you may redistribute and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; Version 2. i can therefore chose to ignore their additional claims and redistribute straight-up under GPL2 [07:46] is what I'm arguing against [07:46] <_ion> This discussion is pointless. Everyone knows that GPL is invalid and SCO owns the rights to your code. [07:47] bluefoxicy: line 31 specifically states that they see it as an interpretation of the GPLv2, not a change to or addition to the GPL [07:47] bluefoxicy; do you not believe that i may redistributed and/or modify nmap under the terms of version 2 of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation? [07:47] so I would agree with desrt, you can re-release under flash GPLv2 [07:47] bluefoxicy; if you don't believe this then perhaps you need to learn to read.... [07:48] popey: i.e. you can ignore their interpretation and substitute your own? [07:48] you can ignore their interpretation and continue to redistribute the code under the *same* license - GPLv2 [07:48] IMO [07:49] popey: you have to distribute it with the interpretations from Insecure.com LLC [07:49] who here is actually a lawyer [07:49] because I sure as hell ain't [07:49] thats fine, interpretation != license [07:49] bluefoxicy: those are restrictions not found in original GPL and line 4 allows usage of original GPL [07:49] popey: those definitions are parts of the licence. === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-13.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] "We dont consider these to be added restrictions on top of the GPL," [07:50] bluefoxicy: so the nmap authors better should have contacted a laywer to get their restrictions right [07:50] bluefoxicy: I review quite a bit of licences, so even though I'm not a lawyer, I have a bit of training in reading them. [07:51] Mithrandir: close enough. I try to figure out what something logically says (you are distributing under X license, you specifically clarify that you think X says Y, so you are distributing under Y); but nobody said courtroom battles involved logic. === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-074-004-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] then again [07:51] Xerol tutors contract law, I could go ask him. [07:51] bluefoxicy: but then, what is the problem? [07:52] nmap's claims appear to self-contradict even themselves [07:52] Mithrandir: I was curious if those interpretations fell under debian non-free; amap was squashed out of ubuntu entirely (not even in multiverse, although we have ADOBE FLASH) for its weird license [07:52] they say that they consider a program a derived work if it reads nmap's files [07:53] but only if nmap is shipped by the same company as the program reading the files [07:53] hmm..... stop: have to correct me. [07:53] if the company directs you to the nmap website to download nmap (instead of giving you a copy) then they're OK again [07:53] "reads or includes" "does any of the following" [07:53] bluefoxicy: which one do you believe makes it non-free? [07:53] these are both inclusive or [07:53] insane. [07:53] they use the loophole of GPL-2 not properly describing the term "derived works" [07:53] "derived works" is a legal term [07:53] it doesn't need to be defined [07:54] it already has a meaning [07:54] Mithrandir: I don't know. The license defines what a "derivative work" is and I'm simply not sure if that pushes it for debian or not. [07:54] (people disagree on this meaning... but that's really for a judge to decide) [07:54] bluefoxicy; the license is the GPL2. it says so VERY VERY clearly. [07:54] I'm not an expert on debian policy either, I'm just a curious neophyte [07:55] desrt: if that's true, the only questions is: is their definitition more restrictive or more permissive? [07:55] tbf; if someone decides exactly what "derived work" means in a given country then it will affect all GPL code [07:56] for example... many contend that the idea that a program that links to a library is a "derived work" of that library to be quite bogus... [07:57] tbf: that's irrelevant, given that it doesn't link with any GPL-ed libs. [07:57] desrt: that is mostly because you can link to a similar library you wrote (that doesn't even provide any functionality), then copy the resulting program to a new machine and (lo and behold) it happens to use the other library instead, not exactly your fault. [07:57] yes irrelevant for this discussion [07:57] rofl: "Links to a library or executes a program that does any of the above." [07:58] so you connect via pipe to a GPL program doing the parsing [07:58] .oO(programmers really should not try to mess with licenses) [07:58] and you are automagically gpl [07:59] this conversation is mental. bye. [07:59] tbf: in the same fashion as with the linking clause argument I give above, imagine you connect via a pipe to an MIT-licensed program that has its own (shitty) built-in scanner; and the new version uses nmap instead and parses the result to look the same. [07:59] now what happens, does your program become a derivative work immediately when that program is born? When the first end user runs it in this way? When you release a new version? [08:00] bluefoxicy: it probably depends on intent. If you created the program so that you could use nmap, it ends up being a derivative work, if you didn't intend it to, it doesn't. [08:00] Mithrandir: it depends on intangible assets, awesome. [08:01] bluefoxicy: yes, computer people doesn't like those kinds of things, but it's important in law. [08:01] Mithrandir: if I wrote a pure nmap clone and the program could use nmap because of this I'm safe, but if I write it without doing this I'm not safe. [08:01] bluefoxicy: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php talks a bit about it. [08:01] Let us propose instead that the pure nmap clone theoretically exists, and just ignore that whole chunk of the license based on the theory that I can rectify any legal claims you bring up to me in about 3 days. [08:02] bluefoxicy: that doesn't really help you if you intended it to be used with nmap, even though it could be used with something else. [08:02] but we are getting very, very off-topic for this channel now. :-) [08:02] :-) [08:02] the channel was idle anyway. It WAS relevant when I started, it's not NOW :) [08:03] (unless someone added #ubuntu-legal behind my back...) [08:03] hence "getting", not "has been for a while". [08:05] Oh no, debian-legal is messy enough already, we don't need to fuel that fire by creating ubuntu-legal. [08:06] Mithrandir: If there's no herd 6, surely this week won't be so hard... [08:06] Mithrandir: Or does it merely save the pain until the week of the 19th? :-P === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] StevenK: I'm already tired and it'll be worse over the next two weeks. [08:08] Mithrandir: Anything I can do to help? [08:08] Mithrandir: can we release Herd 6/Beta 2 in ~12 minutes === mneptok runs === StevenK suspects he knows the answer. [08:08] mneptok: 12 minutes? [08:08] mneptok: getting a bit slack... [08:08] Lathiat: "getting?" [08:09] mneptok: no, our publishing machine isn't that fast. :-P [08:09] StevenK: look at the RC bug list and see if there's anything there that you know how to fix. [08:10] Mithrandir: ooo! you got a new business card to match the change in title? ;) === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] Mithrandir: I had a look at the bug list for the ubuntu-7.04 milestone which are all mostly assigned. === Mithrandir slaps mneptok [08:11] StevenK: indeed, there are a few which aren't, some of which are Hard. === mneptok polishes his halo [08:11] Mithrandir: I had a look at elmo's nmap bug, which I can't reproduce. [08:12] I can't either === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] Shall we slam it into Needs Info, and bounce the ball into elmo's court? [08:16] yes, I think that makes sense. [08:17] crap: how do i create 99_autoreconf.patch files? [08:18] Bad elmo. He isn't even subscribed to it. [08:19] i want to rebbuild notification-deamon-0.3.7 after applying https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notification-daemon/+bug/102128 === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-141.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] Malone bug 102128 in notification-daemon "Notification daemon leaks X11 windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:22] Mithrandir: When you have a chance, could you please consider bug 91868 for casper? [08:22] Malone bug 91868 in casper "Magnifier does not start from accessibility menu due to incorrectly referenced file." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91868 [08:22] ubotu shut up === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] Sorry, I don't know anything about shut up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [08:22] TheMuso: sure. [08:23] tbf: Which patch, there are 3? [08:23] Mithrandir: Shall I be evil, and subscribe elmo to the nmap bug? [08:23] Mithrandir: Thanks. [08:23] StevenK: yes, please. [08:24] StevenK: bugfix is the first one [08:24] StevenK: the other two patches are needed as some folders were moved [08:24] StevenK: currently patching the remaining 5 patches of the package, but to test them i want to build the package [08:25] Mithrandir: All done (nmap bug) [08:25] StevenK: problem: applying the autoreconf patch fails even after recreating it [08:25] (by running autoreconf -i --force and diffing) [08:25] tbf: Okay, so you only want to add the first patch to notification-daemon and rebuild? [08:26] StevenK: in a ideal world it would be that simple. [08:26] StevenK: but as folders have moved, i have to adjust all patches [08:29] StevenK: duh stop. [08:29] tbf: Stopping. :-) [08:29] StevenK: maybe i just was too lazy to create a changelog entry === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] Good morning === StevenK waves to pitti. === Clem [i=clem16@gdprtnt1-port-82.dial.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] hey StevenK [08:35] StevenK: that plus the incredibly trick to create a recursive version of the autoregen patch containing a patch against itself [08:37] moins all [08:37] tbf: Hurray! === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Clem [i=clem16@gdprtnt1-port-82.dial.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] \sh_away: I'm packaging mysql 5.0.38 now, let me know how it goes === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-2e8053c8c4ff2f78] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-157-226.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] woah! new launchpad's avatar scaling blows [09:16] indeed [09:16] you have to use a fixed size image [09:16] padd it out with whitespace yourself :( === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === popey also notes that this wasn't even shown in the private beta, then when the public beta hit the streets, suddently I had a badly scaled avatar on my "home" page === popey removed it === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks filed a bug about it [09:18] bug #? [09:18] 101858 [09:19] bug 101858 [09:19] Malone bug 101858 in launchpad "User image in user info page is stretched" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101858 [09:19] ta === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F75E2C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] you know it does say on the +branding page "An image of exactly 64x64 pixels that will be displayed in the heading of all pages related to you." and "A large image of exactly 192x192 pixels, that will be displayed on your home page in Launchpad. " === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-1-38.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] popey: The new avatar stuff was added about 24 hours before it went public. === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] and the public beta was 3 days before it was originally planned? [09:23] I didn't know that it was planned for any specific point. [09:23] thats what i was told [09:24] good morning === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] popey: well, but some people already uploaded avatars to the old launchpad ;-) [09:25] yes, like me [09:25] well, just added some padding now. [09:26] don't have a 192x192 version of that photo and also do not know if i want such a high-res foto of mine in the public === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] tbf: Scale it to 192x192 and then blur it a lot? :-P [09:27] StevenK: too much effort :-) [09:29] .oO(somehow the new look of launchpad triggers this "want to have it" feeling) [09:33] Mithrandir: if you have a moment, could you please review bug 102114? Thanks :) [09:33] Malone bug 102114 in liferea "[UVFe] Liferea 1.2.10c" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102114 === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.212.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === did447 [n=didier@mon75-2-81-57-110-167.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] pochu: approved [09:39] cool, thanks! :) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nightwish [i=gsn1@segfault.kernel-oops.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] Mithrandir: is it ok if translations for *ubuntu-docs come in by the NonLanguagePackTranslation deadline? we've done that in previous releases, there shouldn't be any possibility of serious bugs being introduced by adding translations in those packages [09:49] mdke: yes, that should be ok. [09:49] Mithrandir: sorry, misspoke [09:49] I mean the LanguagePackTranslation deadline [09:50] we'll struggle to get them in by the first deadline, and translators haven't had very long at them [09:50] that should be ok, yes. [09:50] great [09:51] Mithrandir: just to warn you, although you will probably know already, brining in translations increases the size of the -docs packages quite a lot; might have an impact on iso size if things are tight [09:53] mdke: yes, we would probably need to drop a language or two off the CD. === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-40.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] ok, I'll try and get them in ASAP so you can see === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === datten [n=datten@xdsl-81-173-158-241.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ is now known as enrico [09:59] Mithrandir: what's happening now with syncs, which have uvfe approval? are we poking? presumably you're not doing all syncs this close to release. === cassidy [n=cassidy@239.161-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] StevenK: new ia32-libs uploaded; this should unbreak vmware on amd64 [10:03] (or pitti) [10:03] Hobbsee: should be processed as part of normal archive days [10:03] pitti: Great! [10:03] Hobbsee: subject to the usual freezes, of course === datten [n=datten@xdsl-81-173-158-241.netcologne.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:04] Which means no more syncs at all after Thursday? [10:04] pitti: right. yes, it already has an exception. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basket/+bug/102252 [10:04] Malone bug 102252 in basket "UVFe - Sync Basket 1.0.1 from experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:04] StevenK: I just had to install the edgy version a second time and got sick of it ;) === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-1e21f97ec22a720b] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] Mithrandir: oh, no 0403 CDs; is the daily image process on manual already? [10:06] pitti: no, it shouldn't be. [10:06] pitti: they might just not be ready yet. [10:06] Hobbsee: archive days, or poke if it's urgent. [10:06] pitti: did you upload the new language packs for Feisty? [10:07] Mithrandir: right. it's only urgent in the fact that id' like to see it tested more widely. it can wait. [10:07] carlos: yes, I did [10:07] pitti: ok, cool [10:07] carlos: Hi. Do you know if the french translations have been changed? I got your mail bug no reply [10:08] seb128: the language pack that pitti uploaded had that change done, and I asked Stuart about that a couple of minutes ago, to see whether is on production, once he answers I will tell you... [10:08] carlos: ok, thank you! [10:10] you are welcome === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@37.214-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === did447 [n=didier@mon75-2-81-57-110-167.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7799B.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-117-82.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54a64cfe.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] Nafallo: around? === Spads_ [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-117-82.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] ogra: ping [10:44] mneptok, pong [10:44] Mithrandir, ping [10:44] Mithrandir: what do you think about bug 102274? [10:44] Malone bug 102274 in libsexy "UVF: libsexy 0.1.10 -> 0.1.11" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102274 [10:45] dholbach: looks sane to me. [10:46] Mithrandir: gracias [10:46] tkamppeter: don't just ping, ask me the question you want to ask. [10:47] Mithrandir: i have a complex issue i need help with when you have a chance. [10:47] mneptok: shoot [10:48] Mithrandir, for the update to HPLIP 1.7.3 I did a user survey now to exclude regressions. I got 12 users going through my testing program and no one found any regression, this eaven lead to additional bugs getting found and fixed by HP. See bug 98520. [10:48] Malone bug 98520 in hplip "Feisty UVF ER: New HPLIP 1.7.3 release fixes lots of bugs" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98520 [10:48] tkamppeter: cool, great. Go ahead and get your sponsor to upload then. === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === afflux [i=k@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x6E18D3C4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] Thanks, Mithrandir. === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.67.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads_ [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-074-004-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] Mithrandir: weird; current live CDs are now two hours late, and alternate (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/) is empty [11:04] pitti: I'll take a look at what's broken. === pitti hugs Mithrandir [11:05] pitti: could you be so kind to eyeball the patch to #98518 before i prepare edgy/feisty? specially if you want more details and so on... === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads_ [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] pitti: it's just to save time before i install edgy and feisty and blablabla === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495773e.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] pitti: is it the same build system that provides the kubuntu daily builds as well? [11:08] I do some kubuntu iso testing and todays builds are late there as well. [11:08] fabbione: Tore's last suggestions don't sound bad; does this need to be addressed as well? === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-227-252.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] pitti: adding the docs? yes.. i will do that too... i don't think they are critical for the proposed patch [11:09] pitti: i need to know first if the code changes are ok with the SRU team. they are more important a bit intrusive.. hence priority to them first [11:10] fabbione: I meant using sg_turs as a test and checking vendor ID, too [11:10] seb128: can you look at bug #43398 [11:10] Malone bug 43398 in ubuntu-artwork "Blurry icons in applications menu" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43398 [11:10] seb128: at first I thought it was the icons themselves, but that does not seem to be the case [11:10] pitti: oh that comment was not there when i reloaded the page 5 minutes ago!.. just one minute :) === lotusleaf [n=gesture@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] fabbione: the udev rule ensures that the changes are confined to a specific type of hardware; if the change is tested on such hardware, the current amount of information is good for moe [11:10] fabbione: s/moe/me/ [11:11] pitti: i have the HSG80 here at home :))) [11:11] splendid === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] pitti: ok.. i will need to recheck with Tore suggestions.. [11:17] pitti: they were just not there when i asked you :) [11:17] fabbione: right, I understand :) [11:18] pitti: thanks tho :) === lotusleaf [n=gesture@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] Riddell: hi, around? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-73.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-137.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] kwwii: do you really think they are blurry? ;) [11:29] kwwii: the panel uses the 24x24 icon, it might scale it to 22x22 though === lotusleaf [n=gesture@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] [11:32] Guys, is something up with the ML archives? [11:33] haven't been any logs this month so far [11:33] HiddenWolf: they're lagging [11:33] ok [11:34] pitti: updated debdiff.. and i am off for lunch [11:36] fabbione: I can't claim that I would understand it completely, but given the specific udev rule I'm ok with it [11:37] fabbione: certainly much better than the weird init script h4ck === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491e397.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra_ [n=zdra@192.186-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] cjwatson_: hello! will it be ok if I change the section for ubuntu-meta from "base" to "metapackages" ? this will ensure that the section is correct in /var/lib/dpkg/status [11:46] kwwii: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343437 [11:46] Gnome bug 343437 in Panel "Use correct size for launcher icons (on the panel and in the menu)" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] [11:47] mvo: are you working on the seed? [11:47] seb128: if you check that screenshot I attached, it is definitely blurry [11:47] seb128: no, this is just about the "ubuntu-meta" package, not the seed [11:48] mvo: ok, I thoguh it was built from the seed [11:49] seb128: the difference in icon sizes between kde and gnome is a real pain [11:49] seb128: so, are we going to stick to using 22x22 icons? === sacater [n=sacater@82-70-75-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] kwwii: the panel logic should handle 24x24 correctly, I'm talking to upstream [11:50] seb128: excellent, thanks :-) [11:51] np [11:52] carlos: pong [11:53] Riddell: hi, I know it's quite late in the development process [11:53] Riddell: but when k3b was updated to 1.0 [11:53] k3b-i18n was not updated [11:53] so we have old translations === hugomelo [n=hugo@143.106.7.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel === guerby [n=guerby@gut75-4-82-235-162-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] carlos: very good point [11:54] carlos: I'll get onto it now and chastase the people who forgot it (including myself) [11:54] Riddell: thank you [11:59] kwwii: could you try to: [11:59] - add 'gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=24,24"' to the Human gtkrc [11:59] then change theme [11:59] or restart the panel [12:00] and let me know if you think it's nicer [12:00] seb128: will do [12:04] Mithrandir: please could you consider bug 102268 ? [12:04] Malone bug 102268 in neon26 "UVF exception and sync request (0.26.3)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102268 === thom wishes idly that apt'd build faster [12:05] seb128: yes, that fixes the problem for all the gnome icons although the kde icons in the menu now are blurry instead (but I think that as one is running gnome by choice it is better to have the gnome icons look nice as you'll see many more of those) [12:05] mvo: ubuntu-meta Section: metapackages> no problem [12:05] pitti: thanks [12:06] pitti: but if you want a full more detailed explanation i can give it to the sru team. it's just complex.. [12:06] doko: looks good; approved === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] cjwatson: cool, thanks! [12:07] seb128: i saw your last gamin upload.. so i was right this time it wasn't a kernel issue :P [12:08] kwwii: right, better to have the GNOME icon theme looking nice on GNOME [12:08] fabbione: yep ;) [12:09] seb128: exactly :-) === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-98bc1a03de0bd1cf] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] carlos: uploaded [12:27] kwwii: tangerine+tango-stock-icons uploaded [12:27] seb128: may you have a look at bug 102128 and apply at least the first patch? [12:27] Malone bug 102128 in notification-daemon "Notification daemon leaks X11 windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102128 === kwwii hugs dholbach [12:27] tbf: I've already showed it to mvo [12:27] seb128: ah, cool :-) === sacater [n=sacater@82-70-75-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p5495777c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@230.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491e144.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@230.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-135-209.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar [n=scott@c-76-20-46-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sacater_ [n=sacater@82-70-75-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] elmo, mako: CC meeting in 4 minutes - sabdfl available? [12:57] I can probably sit in for a while === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gismo_ [n=stef@148.216.20.81.dynamic.adsl.abo.nordnet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] fabbione: could you mail me your /var/log/udev === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] Riddell: ok, thank you === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] Riddell: I will do a upload of kubuntu-meta to change the Section to metapackages (just FYI) [01:17] ogra: I will do a upload of edubuntu-meta o change the Section to metapackages (just FYI) [01:17] oki [01:17] mvo: oki [01:18] thanks :) [01:23] mvo: will you update an ubuntu-meta? [01:24] seb128: no, I haven't [01:24] mvo: "will" you ;) [01:25] mvo: I've commited changes to the desktop seed yesterday and I'm wondering if I can be lazy and wait on your upload :p [01:25] mvo: xubuntu-meta too? [01:25] Hey, anyone willing to sponsor the upload for : bug 68818 ? [01:25] Malone bug 68818 in squid "squid transparent proxy is broken" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68818 [01:25] seb128: no, I uploaded already and changed only the section. if you need a seed change you will have to upload again, sorry [01:25] cjwatson: all of them [01:25] mvo: ok [01:25] cjwatson: ubuntu,xubuntu,edubuntu,kubuntu [01:25] -meta [01:25] seb128: what change do you need? [01:26] does anyone know where /sbin/update-modules.modutils belongs to ? [01:26] mvo: I commited it yesterday, added dcraw to desktop [01:26] seems its broken so debootstrap doesnt work [01:26] `diversion by module-init-tools to: /sbin/update-modules.modutils' [01:26]