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=== mdke hellos
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[09:43] <mdke> Rinchen: hiya. thanks for checking the lp group. What's going on with the administrators? Why isn't Daniel the group administrator? afaik he's always the one adding new members and driving the group
[09:44] <Rinchen> mdke, yes, he is.
[09:45] <Rinchen> NewZ owns the group since he's the website person.
[09:45] <Rinchen> I agreed to help update the LP entry with the release of 1.0
[09:46] <Rinchen> I've suggested to Newz that we should get the regular fridge folks together and discuss enhancing the fridge.
[09:46] <mdke> I remember adding newz as administrator when we created the group, but I certainly think the adminstrators of the LP group should reflect the reality if possible
[09:46] <Rinchen> I believe he's going to do that at some point.
[09:46] <mdke> Jono has done that already
[09:46] <Rinchen> One moment and I'll ask newz about adding Daniel since I agree he's the guy that does just about everything. :-)
[09:47] <Rinchen> Yes, Jono was in on the discussion although I spoke with newz directly, not Jono.
[09:47] <mdke> I mean, Jono has got together folks and discussed enhancing it with Matthew
[09:47] <Rinchen> ah excellent.
[09:47] <mdke> unfortunately he did some of it off-list, but I can forward you emails if you want
[09:48] <Rinchen> I was aware that he was doing that, I just didn't know it was public.
[09:48] <mdke> as I said, unfortunately it wasn't public
[09:49] <Rinchen> I'm adding Daniel now.
[09:49] <mdke> thanks
[09:51] <Rinchen> Seems I didn't have the privs so I just had newz do it.
[09:52] <mdke> ah, owner only I guess
[09:52] <mdke> thanks
[09:52] <mdke> listen, the other thing I wanted to talk about is communication within the group
[09:53] <mdke> there have been some stories going live recently which haven't been posted to the mailing list or maybe even were posted by one person without review
[09:53] <mdke> the impression I get is of people not being kept totally in the loop, I think we can do better
[09:53] <Rinchen> I wasn't aware. I did recently review and post up Matt's LP article.
[09:54] <Rinchen> I also failed to post it to the list.
[09:54] <Rinchen> We need to work on that fridge editors documentation a bit.
[09:54] <mdke> true
[09:54] <Rinchen> I was hoping that Daniel might be able to set the standard there.
[09:54] <mdke> it's no big deal, but it just is a question of appearances for the rest of the group
[09:55] <Rinchen> With my recent job change I have no inherent rights. I'm the same guy and the Fridge is a community effort.
[09:55] <mdke> yeah, that's the thing I'd like to maintain, definitely
[09:55] <mdke> I appreciate you saying that
[09:55] <Rinchen> btw, apparently I was just promoted.
[09:55] <Rinchen> I'm now the owner of the LP list.
=== Rinchen laughs.
[09:56] <Rinchen> complain about not being able to add someone and you get ownership. :-)
[09:57] <mdke> hmm
[09:57] <Rinchen> How about this: I'll post a note to the fridge-devel list and ask if we can have the senior editors (e.g. Daniel) update the fridge editor's docs so that we can all review it and make a concerted effort to follow it in the future.
[09:58] <Rinchen> I have no idea when the positive changes for the fridge may happen so it might be best to keep our existing documentation up to date.
[09:58] <Rinchen> Do you agree?
[09:59] <Rinchen> Or perhaps you might have another suggestion?
[09:59] <Rinchen> I'm open since this isn't part of my normal work.
[10:01] <mdke> sorry, gf needed the computer
[10:02] <mdke> sounds like a good suggestion
[10:02] <Rinchen> ok. afaik, Daniel is still the owner of the Fridge. I should probably state that in the email I send to prevent any misconceptions.
[10:03] <Rinchen> well s/owner/leader/
[10:03] <mdke> I'm happy for you to take a larger role, if you're keen on being more involved in the Fridge that's definitely alright with me, it needs help :)
[10:06] <mdke> i hardly have any time for writing nowadays, but I'm keen to help the group go in the right direction
[10:07] <Rinchen> I think that was my issue as well. The fridge is good but it's been stagnant in both code updates as well as Daniel doing most of the work.  This all started for me when I inquired about the overall plan and was told it's up to the Fridge team to determine what they want to do with the Fridge.
[10:07] <Rinchen> The Fridge is such a fixture that I hate to see it neglected.
[10:08] <mdke> it won't be
[10:09] <mdke> the team is pretty good and it's just a question of getting more wide contributions, with the fridge team acting more as editors than writers
[10:10] <mdke> that will enable people to contribute when they can, rather than relying on Daniel/others all the time
[10:11] <mdke> anyway, congrats on the new job
[10:30] <Rinchen> Thanks. I was given 3 offers at once I chose to work on the LP team. It's an interesting group.  I figured I could do more to help Ubuntu that way.
[10:31] <mdke> they are a great group, definitely
[10:32] <mdke> you had three offers to work at canonical? that's pretty good going
[10:32] <Rinchen> ah no, sorry.  1 with Canonical and 2 with Canonical partners
[10:33] <mdke> oh right, good going anyway
[10:39] <Rinchen> I was surprised to get an offer from Canonical. I'll tell you, I'm learning a lot though.
[10:39] <mdke> cool
[10:39] <Rinchen> are you still working in the law field?
[10:39] <mdke> they are a good company, you'll enjoy it
[10:40] <mdke> yes, I turned down my chance with Canonical :)
=== Rinchen laughs.
[10:41] <mdke> I'm more qualified for law, so it was safer for me to go that way
[10:41] <mdke> didn't want to find myself following the dream and then left without qualifications in the wrong sector if something went wrong
[10:42] <mdke> law is ok...
[10:44] <Rinchen> From an old guy (that's me), I can say with certainty that qualifications count in the long term.
[10:44] <mdke> get out of here
[10:44] <mdke> you are so not old
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[10:45] <Rinchen> Just about 40
[10:45] <mdke> you look younger!
[10:45] <Rinchen> although we hired some new guys at Canonical so my position on what I call the "old farts totem pole" dropped a bit
[10:46] <Rinchen> That's because it's an old picture. :-)
[10:46] <mdke> ah, clever
[10:47] <mdke> anyway, that's what I thought too
[10:47] <mdke> but it was a tricky decision
[10:47] <Rinchen> I was hired, I suspect, for two reasons: my certifications and my work on Ubuntu
[10:48] <Rinchen> certainly not for my looks.  :-D
[10:48] <Rinchen> Here's UDS MTV - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sfllaw/291040915/   Green shirt
[10:48] <Rinchen> on the left next to Melissa
[10:50] <mdke> still wouldn't give you 40, anyway
[10:50] <Rinchen> hehe  Thanks.
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