[12:09] <jenda> beuno: it's not an accent, it's diacritics!
[12:09] <jenda> :)
[12:09] <jenda> (a caron, to be precise)
[12:10] <jenda> And the Polish are one language that did _not_ borrow the caron from us ;)
[12:11] <adamant1988> The Polish aren't a language, they're a people :P
[12:13] <beuno> jenda: that's why I usally refrain from commenting on that subject, I absolutely HATE anything that has to do with language structure
[12:14] <jenda> adamant1988: oh, really? :)
[12:15] <adamant1988> jenda: Yeah! :P
[12:16] <adamant1988> Countdown to K-line:
[12:16] <adamant1988> 3
[12:16] <adamant1988> 2
[12:16] <adamant1988> 1
[12:21] <jenda> haha
[12:49] <adamant1988> jenda, beuno, Burgwork, ping
[12:50] <jenda> gah
[12:50] <adamant1988> jenda: you busy?
[12:50] <jenda> adamant1988: quasi-pong :)
[12:50] <beuno> adamant1988: that's quite a team you're assembling  :D
[12:50] <jenda> no, dead tired :)
[12:50] <adamant1988> Oh, well I just want someone here who has a little more pull in the marketing team because Ronnie will be joining us shortly
[12:50] <adamant1988> We've come to an agreement and we're going to hammer out the details in here
[12:50] <Burgwork> ahh
[12:51] <adamant1988> So, I just felt it would be best if someone was here to offer input on what we can do from our end, I don't have half the pull with Canonical that some of you do :P
[12:52] <adamant1988> and there he is. :)
[12:52] <ronnietucker> present Sir...   :)
[12:53] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: I've pinged Jenda, Burgwork, and beuno so someone will be in here just to offer up opinions on the matter.
[12:53] <ronnietucker> ok, no probs...
[12:54] <adamant1988> So, the general consensus between us is that we will help you get some quality control set ups going, layouts and such.  You will handle all of the writing, gathering articles, proof reading, editing, and so forth, and we'll give it the final run-over and send it out.  Have I said anything wrong there?
[12:55] <beuno> I'd just like to point out that defining rolls is great, but the process should be as open as possible, meaning it should be well documented, and open for contributions from *anywhere*
[12:55] <ronnietucker> how much 
[12:55] <ronnietucker> 'control' is the marketing team wanting though?...
[12:56] <beuno> ronnietucker: none really, we just want to see the project see the light
[12:56] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: I think that the articles are yours to write. Although I would like Jenda's input on articles that criticize Ubuntu/Canonical
[12:56] <jenda> O_O
[12:56] <beuno> we do want it to be open so if you guys can't keep it up along the way, anyone can pick it up
[12:56] <adamant1988> jenda: I'm of the opinion that criticism is ok, as long as it's not slanderous or off-base.  A well presented argument should be allowed
[12:57] <ronnietucker> bueno - i agree completely... ANYone is free to write for the magazine, my only one rule is; the article must pertain to some form of ubuntu.
[12:57] <jenda> adamant1988: of course
[12:57] <beuno> ronnietucker: absolutely
[12:57] <adamant1988> jenda: I said I couldn't speak for the marketing team on that matter
[12:57] <beuno> the main idea is "we're here to help"
[12:57] <adamant1988> So I felt it was best to bring that up in here.
[12:57] <ronnietucker> bueno - the Scribus files and all graphics and so on will be available should I leave
[12:57] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: I think the general idea is that the magazine is yours, we would just like to help you throw a fresh coat of paint on it and shine up the corners. 
[12:58] <beuno> the general idea is that eveything is everyone's, free and open  :D
[12:58] <beuno> we all help as much as we can
[12:58] <adamant1988> beuno: I agree that it should be open, but they want to use the marketing team to help make the magazine a little more 'official'
[12:59] <ronnietucker> as you guys said in the mailing list, your not journalists. Well... we're not marketing guys! So if we can team up and not restrict one another then i'm happy with that
[12:59] <adamant1988> perhaps in a similar spirit to the UWN perhaps?
[12:59] <beuno> I'm sure we might be useful in distributing, promoting and getting some of the "inner" community to colaborate too
[12:59] <ronnietucker> same as if you guys can help us with articles/input by writing or gaining us access to people for interviews or anything like that...
[12:59] <adamant1988> beuno: exactly, my only concern falls back to quality and just making sure nothing violates Canonical policies and so forth (No hacking up the Ubuntu logo, for instance)
[01:00] <beuno> ronnietucker: I can't think of anyway we would want to restrict you, unless you're going against the CoC in some way...  jenda, Burgwork?
[01:00] <ronnietucker> adam - absolutely, i emailed the info email at Canonical to ask their permission on the current logo, no reply as yet...
[01:01] <Burgwork> nope
[01:01] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: derivs of the logo like that are usually ok
[01:01] <adamant1988> beuno: I think that the general idea is that the marketing team would overall stay out of the way and generally just act as a form of quality control in the late stages (this seems to be agreed on by both sides) 
[01:01] <ronnietucker> what about deadlines? Are we given some slack due to us all being volunteers?
[01:01] <Burgwork> basically, my major concern, ronnietucker, is to make certain that full circle (nice name, btw), survives one person leaving
[01:01] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: we are all volunteers
[01:02] <beuno> ronnietucker: you're going to be defining the deadlines, we're all volunteers here
[01:02] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: your deadlines are self-imposed. It is YOUR project
[01:02] <Burgwork> set the a schedule that you think makes sense. I would recommend quarterly initially
[01:02] <adamant1988> We're just offering to help distribute and help keep the quality up. 
[01:02] <beuno> I'd like to stear away from the whole "who's project this is"  :D
[01:02] <ronnietucker> adam - ok, thats good. I'll do my best to make it monthly but if articles dont come in or i get snowed under with work then it might slip, just wanted to let you guys aware of this...
[01:02] <adamant1988> I think most of the marketing team knows I've taken a special interest in the magazine so I'll be helping out for sure.
[01:03] <ronnietucker> bueno - well yeah, I want it to be a community thing, thats why i've always put everything up on the forum for all to see... and i'd keep it that way...  :)
[01:03] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: the best way to get more people is to get something out quickly
[01:03] <adamant1988> Burgwork: are the old articles from the Marketing Team's attempts still floating around?
[01:04] <Burgwork> nothing gets you people like success
[01:04] <Burgwork> adamant1988: nope, there were no articles from that attempt
[01:04] <adamant1988> Burgwork: ok. 
[01:04] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: one note about process: I would edit the articles on teh wiki
[01:04] <adamant1988> Burgwork: I was just about to suggest that. 
[01:05] <Burgwork> one the wiki means that anybody disappears, it can keep going
[01:05] <ronnietucker> burgwork - that seems like a good idea, yep.
[01:05] <Burgwork> I would also recommend using scribus to layout the magazine and get that template on the wiki as well
[01:05] <Burgwork> this is from hard won experience
[01:05] <Burgwork> the UWN is only still running because we adhered to these principles
[01:05] <ronnietucker> Everything used is open source. Scribus for layout, OpenOffice for documents and Gimp for graphics.
[01:05] <Burgwork> beuno is the 4th chief editor
[01:06] <ronnietucker> what happened to the other three? Are they still alive?  ;)
[01:06] <Burgwork> I am the 2nd
[01:06] <beuno> ronnietucker: also, take a quick peak on how the UWN is structured and documented:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate (click on edit) and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[01:06] <Burgwork> mgalvin is the first and cody summerville is the 3rd
[01:06] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: if I can make a suggestion as someone who did some small magazines for Art communities you're better off going with inkscape or Xara Xtreme for graphics on your mag.
[01:06] <Burgwork> adamant1988: watch out for that, as svg doesn't go easily into scribus
[01:07] <Burgwork> wish it did
[01:07] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: basically, we love that you are running with the idea
[01:08] <ronnietucker> i'm not too great with inkscape or Xara but i'll give them a look. I've done printing stuff before (actual brochures) so my motto is; if in doubt make it 300dpi  :D
[01:08] <adamant1988> Burgwork: Hrm, I didn't know that... perhaps draw it and convert in GIMP?
[01:08] <matthew_> i'm confused, what does "quality control" mean?
[01:08] <Burgwork> matthew_: making certain the articles are up to snuff, basically
[01:08] <ronnietucker> means that they will alert us to any articles that may seem childish, badly written or out of place?
[01:08] <matthew_> in what way?
[01:09] <ronnietucker> (correct me if i'm wrong)
[01:09] <Burgwork> pretty much
[01:09] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: yes, or misused artwork, that sort of thing.  Just if we have a concern we'll bring it up
[01:09] <Burgwork> if you edit the text in the wiki, and then set a date to move it into the template, you shoudl be fine
[01:10] <ronnietucker> so should the writers put their articles up on the wiki themselves or should we find a volunteer for that particular job? As i'm sure most folks have no idea how to use the wiki
[01:10] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: have you got a plan and a timeline in mind?
[01:10] <Burgwork> they should put them up themselves
[01:10] <Burgwork> especially given they are going to be editing them after the fact
[01:10] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: they should add it themselves, that way you always know who added what.
[01:10] <beuno> ronnietucker: anything you need on how to setup the whole process, I'm available to try and help, and I'm sure Burgwork is too within his busy work schedule
[01:10] <matthew_> i just don't understand the purpose of the "quality control" and why this is not internally part of the magazine.  For example, with the article I wrote I already sent it to 1 proof reader.
[01:10] <Burgwork> matthew_: quality control is a much more distributed thing
[01:11] <beuno> matthew_: I think the "quality" is in a more ubuntu-community sense
[01:11] <Burgwork> basically in a volunteer project, never rely on any one person exclusively
[01:11] <adamant1988> matthew_: you guys will do most of that yourself.  But we just want to help make sure that everything is OK before it 'ships'.
[01:11] <ronnietucker> imagine a broadsheet newspaper printing a badly written trash story... it'd make them look bad. Same for us...
[01:11] <beuno> or anything else we can do, I'm sure there will be more then one member who will want to contribute
[01:11] <adamant1988> ronnietucker understands the idea there.
[01:12] <matthew_> I understand that, but what defines "OK".  I'm failing to see where the magazine and the marketing team is likely to disagree on what is OK, and perhaps more importantly, why the marketing team has the veto power on this.  i'm just trying to understand it I think.
[01:12] <adamant1988> I know that boredandblogging was interested, knight too
[01:12] <matthew_> Right Ronnie, and that's why we have proofreaders.
[01:12] <matthew_> no?
[01:12] <beuno> matthew_: well, the marketing has much more contact with the general community and Canonical, so we might have a better idea.
[01:12] <adamant1988> matthew_: We are not journalists, we're not going to start grading content. The only time we'll bring up content as far as I can see is if an Article says something that is completely wrong or off-base and it could make waves
[01:13] <ronnietucker> kinda, the proof-readers are more for non-English speaking writers who may need an article polished
[01:13] <beuno> also, I don't know if it's "veto power" as much as "recommendations"
[01:13] <adamant1988> beuno: I don't see how we can say "sorry you can't ship"
[01:13] <adamant1988> It's very much a community project, we can make recommendations on it.
[01:14] <ronnietucker> are the forum threads able to be put in the magazine as articles? One idea I had was from the 'Top Obscure Apps' thread...
[01:14] <ronnietucker> i mean rewritten, not just copy and pasted!  :D
[01:14] <beuno> ronnietucker: sure, why not?
[01:15] <ronnietucker> excellent...
[01:15] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: those were legit suggestions, we're not going to police you
[01:15] <adamant1988> I think the worst we can say is "We would rather not have our name on this"
[01:16] <beuno> ronnietucker: I recommend you send regular updates to out mailing list as on how the project is evolving, and "where is everythin"
[01:16] <ronnietucker> my only concern so far is the wiki idea, i'm ok with a wiki, i help with the docs wiki, but most writers will be clueless about wikis...
[01:16] <adamant1988> beuno: excellent idea.
[01:16] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: I understand.  That wouldn't be an issue if the wiki was updated to latest version though ;)
[01:16] <ronnietucker> bueno - yep, seems fair...
[01:17] <ronnietucker> ok, who do i moan to about that?  ;)
[01:17] <beuno> ronnietucker: in the UWN I make people send them to me and I add them if they're not comfortable with the wiki
[01:17] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: Get a solid template together and all should be fine.
[01:17] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: the Wiki is fairly WYSIWYG if you're not doing anything special.
[01:18] <ronnietucker> i think maybe getting a person to do the article>wiki thing might be good... i dont want to scare of potential writers by trying to explain wiki stuff to them!  :D
[01:18] <beuno> ronnietucker: feel free to hang around here and nag jenda all you want  :p
[01:18] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: That's your call.
[01:18] <beuno> I do  :D
[01:19] <adamant1988> We just want to see the magazine get off the ground.
[01:19] <ronnietucker> Well, i can assure you... i WILL happen.
[01:19] <ronnietucker> *it
[01:19] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: however, if you've been following the mailing list I started a thread on some important points to consider for the magazine
[01:19] <adamant1988> scope, target audience, etc.
[01:20] <ronnietucker> I don't want the magazine to be uber-geeky. I'd rather it was n00b to middle-ground. To attract new users and to help current n00bs
[01:21] <beuno> ronnietucker: I agree, the non-techie audience should be the target
[01:21] <beuno> they don't know what "beryl" is, but I'm sure they're very interested in it
[01:21] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: I do have one suggestion relating to your content though
[01:22] <adamant1988> If you're going to present news, can you please try to present that in a more editorial fashion?
[01:22] <ronnietucker> yeah, i wouldn't recommend people to install it but i'd certainly alert them to its progress...
[01:22] <adamant1988> We're running the UWN and the fridge for news.
[01:22] <ronnietucker> will you guys be keeping the UWN running? Or will fc replace it?
[01:22] <adamant1988> However, I think presenting info about big stories in the editorial format would be really interesting
[01:23] <adamant1988> as far as I know the UWN will continue operating.
[01:23] <beuno> ronnietucker: the UWN has a totally different target and is here to stay
[01:23] <beuno> it has fresh, weekly news for the inner community
[01:23] <beuno> I don't see the magazine replacing that
[01:24] <ronnietucker> See i'm thinking that we could just print a page of news snippets but refer readers to the UWN/Fridge for more news.. ?
[01:24] <Burgwork> uwn is really internal news
[01:24] <Burgwork> think of it like an internal company newsletter
[01:24] <Burgwork> magazine is more end user
[01:25] <Burgwork> something I could print and leave in a local cafe, etc.
[01:25] <adamant1988> Burgwork: Ah, valid point
[01:25] <ronnietucker> i see, gotcha... so if Fridge focused on the weekly (fresh) news, we could focus more on the how-to, tutorial angle...
[01:25] <adamant1988> I assume the fridge is the same?
[01:25] <Burgwork> fridge is a bit of a hybrid, but yes, is more realtime
[01:26] <ronnietucker> are we allowed to put 'official ubuntu magazine' on the cover/title? I feel that would draw more writers...
[01:26] <Burgwork> official ubuntu magazine, hmm
[01:26] <Burgwork> for that, I would say you need to talk to Canonical
[01:27] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: I think some decent ideas include: editorials on BIG news, Interviews with people inside ubuntu (Similar to the Behind Ubuntu project), tutorials, and perhaps some articles on lesser used but very good programs (Like Zim desktop wiki)
[01:27] <adamant1988> as for being official that really needs to go through Canonical.
[01:27] <Burgwork> I don't see a problem, provided somebody who is known to Canonical is helping out
[01:27] <adamant1988> Burgwork: I figure as long as we're close to the project that'll count for something right? 
[01:27] <Burgwork> which currently pretty much boils down to me, I would imagine
[01:27] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: basically, I would produce a first edition and then talk to canonical
[01:28] <Burgwork> if you want, you first lead story can be about the new things in Feisty
[01:28] <ronnietucker> burgwork - understandable... i'm sure Canonical wont put their name on something that could (in their eyes) be vapourware  :D
[01:28] <Burgwork> the marketing team is already producing a graphical, user-friendly guide
[01:28] <beuno> ronnietucker: Burgwork is the marketing team... leader?  manager?
[01:28] <Burgwork> beuno: guide is probably a better term
[01:29] <Burgwork> been here long enough to see all the failures
[01:29] <Burgwork> and the successes
[01:30] <ronnietucker> what if we did an issue #0, a short preview with the Feisty article and a few other bits in there to show whats coming?...
[01:30] <Burgwork> absolutely
[01:30] <adamant1988> Could always do a proof-of-concept issue 
[01:30] <ronnietucker> I reckon I could have that out before Feisty release...
[01:31] <adamant1988> I would avoid putting "official" on it until you get the word from Canonical
[01:31] <ronnietucker> adamant - yeah...
[01:31] <adamant1988> but I think using the word community would be perfectly acceptable until then
[01:31] <adamant1988> "Community Ubuntu Mag." 
[01:31] <adamant1988> It actually might get you farther than using official will
[01:32] <ronnietucker> 'the Ubuntu Community Magazine'   hm?
[01:32] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: similar to that yes.  Community implies what it really is, saying official will make it sound a bit more corporate IMO. 
[01:33] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: for a good basis, take a look at the pclinuxos magazine
[01:33] <adamant1988> If you really want to sling that so it looks official you could carefully title it like "THE Ubuntu Community Magazine"
[01:33] <Burgwork> I would be less concerned with bylines and more concerned with getting an issue out :)
[01:33] <ronnietucker> adamant - yeah, thats kinda what i was thinking...
[01:34] <Burgwork> excessive talking just leads to nothing being done
[01:34] <adamant1988> Burgwork: I know, but he brought it up. haha
[01:34] <ronnietucker> burgwork - yep, i agree. So when will the Feisty article be done?   :D
[01:34] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: I'll be around to help you if you need it for sure.  Any problem areas just drop me an email and so forth.
[01:34] <Burgwork> the 11th
[01:34] <adamant1988> Feisty is to release on the 14th yes?
[01:34] <Burgwork> 19th
[01:34] <adamant1988> Ah.
[01:35] <ronnietucker> is it a long article? Many screenshots?
[01:35] <adamant1988> I wonder why I thought 14th.
[01:35] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: For content I saw a really good phoronix article called "A visual history of Ubuntu" 
[01:35] <ronnietucker> i'm thinking the #0 could be a Feisty preview special kinda thing...
[01:36] <ronnietucker> if the article is long enough...
[01:36] <adamant1988> I think using that general idea you could produce an article showing Ubuntu's rapid evolution
[01:36] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: here is a rough draft http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/feistybeta
[01:36] <ronnietucker> adamant - sounds good...
[01:36] <Burgwork> that visual history of ubuntu would be a good article tow rite as well
[01:36] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: Do not take the article right an independent one.  I'm just saying that you can look around for inspiration elsewhere. 
[01:36] <Burgwork> the best journalists are lazy
[01:37] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: But I think focusing on Feisty would be best for your proof of concept issue.
[01:37] <ronnietucker> 1 - migrate data, 2 - new games... you guys got your priorities in order then...  :D
[01:37] <Burgwork> that is very rough and somethign I threw together at the last minute
[01:37] <Burgwork> needs to be seriously updated
[01:40] <ronnietucker> yeah, i think the #0 should be mainly all Feisty...
[01:41] <Burgwork> history of ubuntu and then new in feisty
[01:41] <ronnietucker> burgwork - yeah... good plan...
[01:41] <adamant1988> Burgwork: The articles could even be tied right together
[01:41] <adamant1988> Could do a "Past-Present-Future" thing
[01:41] <Burgwork> better to have them seperated
[01:41] <adamant1988> No I mean the magazine lay out
[01:42] <adamant1988> order it so everything just kind of flows together
[01:42] <beuno> ronnietucker: also, a good article on the Ubuntu Community in general would be great
[01:42] <adamant1988> you can read it from front to back.
[01:42] <adamant1988> and never know
[01:43] <Burgwork> there is the book content
[01:43] <Burgwork> it is ccbysa2.5
[01:43] <ronnietucker> adamant - yeah, i see the phoronix article... and it could easily be rewritten which would lead into the new features in Feisty
[01:43] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: Ok, you see what I'm going with that hah
[01:44] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: I would start getting these ideas on teh wiki, on the existing ubuntu magazine pages
[01:45] <ronnietucker> in rewriting it we can also mention the other flavours of ubuntu (Kubuntu etc)
[01:45] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: Yeah, also I think it's important that you establish some clear deadlines so you can get some pressure on yourself and others to get that first issue out the door
[01:45] <adamant1988> as they say, the first step is the hardest
[01:46] <ronnietucker> well its got to be done by Feisty launch i'd think ?
[01:47] <Burgwork> be nice if it was
[01:47] <Burgwork> I would imagine late april would still be good
[01:47] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: That would be great, If you're planning on getting it translated ASAP is better
[01:48] <ronnietucker> i'll rewrite the Ubuntu History thing myself, get some decent screengrabs (since the Phoronix ones are bit blocky).
[01:48] <ronnietucker> i'll post updates to the forum and in the mailing list (pointing to the forum for pdf downloads)
[01:49] <ronnietucker> ok, so #0 would be all me, but i'd rather that and leave the other folks to get on with writing their stuff...
[01:49] <Burgwork> well, I can help you with the new in feisty
[01:50] <Burgwork> what I would suggest you do is concentrate on the layout
[01:50] <Burgwork> the cover, etc.
[01:50] <Burgwork> assume the content will come together
[01:50] <ronnietucker> big picture of a deer?  ;)
[01:50] <Burgwork> heh
[01:51] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: May I suggest you use the Ubuntu website for inspiration on your magazine design?
[01:51] <ronnietucker> if i write the history and if burgwork done the feisty then that'd be #0 on the way...
[01:51] <beuno> I'm off to dinner
[01:53] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: pay special attention to the design
[01:54] <adamant1988> Canonical would probably prefer their name on something that looks good too
[01:54] <ronnietucker> yeah, most of the community liked the idea of basing it on the forum design...
[01:54] <adamant1988> The Forum design is very clean and well done, I like it
[01:54] <ronnietucker> although some of the pages look kinda bare, they'll have nice round cornered coloured boxes and so on to look similar to the forum...
[01:56] <adamant1988> The color scheme and the general look is what's important
[01:56] <ronnietucker> adamant - the magazine uses the exact same colours as the forum, i personally sat and colour picked the colours from a forum screengrab!  :D
[01:58] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: I would rather use the official website colours and layout
[01:58] <Burgwork> avoid blue
[01:59] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: you might try a different logo that would go with the layout design/colors alittle better
[02:00] <ronnietucker> but the magazine represents ALL flavours of Ubuntu... hence the colours in the logo...
[02:01] <adamant1988> I saw that, it's up to you. Just a suggestion
[02:02] <Burgwork> ronnietucker: I would be careful with trying to mix colour schemes
[02:02] <Burgwork> basically, you are likely to just end up with something that is mushy
[02:04] <ronnietucker> burgwork - yep, the entire inner of the magazine will be in the colour scheme of the forum (same colours as the .com site)
[02:06] <Burgwork> cool
[02:10] <ronnietucker> well, i'm going to head off and report to the folks in the forum to let them know all's well. I'll keep you all up to date with whats happening through the mailing list and PDF downloads on the forum ok?
[02:14] <adamant1988> ronnietucker: Sounds good
[02:17] <ronnietucker> see ya all later...
[02:01] <mrevell> jenga: new nick?
[02:01] <jenga> hehe
[02:02] <jenga> yep, the d gets tired from time to time, so it curls up and lies down.
[02:12] <elkbuntu> it's a mrevell!
[02:12] <jenga> and it's a lot shorter than matthewrevell ;)
[02:30] <mrevell> hello
[02:30] <mrevell> I'm back from lunch
[02:31] <mrevell> jenga: Could I ask a favour? :)
[02:31] <mrevell> jenga: there's a story about Launchpad in Czech
[02:31] <mrevell> jenga: Could you give me an idea of what it says? http://www.abclinuxu.cz/zpravicky/show/175263
[03:34] <jenga> mrevell: of course
[03:34] <mrevell> jenga: thanks :)
[03:36] <jenga> mrevell: LP is approaching the final 1.0 release and the beta version has been launched (no pun un Czech ;)). LP, dev'd by Canonical, is a distributed development system.
[03:37] <jenga> Apart from hosting source codes, it also offers their sharing among different project (they all get bugreports), support and localising.
[03:38] <jenga> (sry, not developed by Canonical - backed by, rather)
[03:38] <mrevell> jenga: Thanks :)
[03:38] <jenga> no problem
[03:41] <jenga> mrevell: how did you find it? :)
[03:42] <mrevell> jenga: My boss found it. We've got various searches - such as Technorati, Bloglines, and so on - that automatically alert us.
[03:42] <jenga> cool :)
[03:43] <jenga> The user comments are quick to remark it's not free software.
[05:08] <adamant1988> Hello all
[05:09] <lotusleaf> hi
[05:13] <adamant1988> Well it appears all is well with the magazine
[05:13] <adamant1988> That bunch is really taking off with it.
[05:24] <boredandblogging> adamant1988, whats the forum thread for the magazine?
[05:45] <adamant1988> boredandblogging, I'll get that in a moment
[05:51] <adamant1988> boredandblogging, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=396003
[05:57] <boredandblogging> adamant1988, thanks
[06:57] <jenga> juliux: mind if we order the books today? (which would mean they'd arrive sometime soon...)
[07:00] <juliux> jenga, np
[07:00] <jenga> cool ;)
[09:13] <jenga> juliux: you think you could gimme your addy one more time?
[09:13] <jenga> (I don't archive them, ever)
[09:13] <juliux> jenga, post addy?
[09:13] <jenga> yep, please - for teh booxorz
[09:33] <juliux> hi mindspin 
[09:34] <mindspin> good evening
[11:12] <Mike_F> Hello: I  would like to know how to get hold of a conference pack
[11:12] <Mike_F> i cant find the wiki page
[11:14] <beuno> jenga: ping
[11:15] <jenga> beuno: pong
[11:15] <jenga> ah
[11:15] <jenga> Mike_F: just a sec.
[11:15] <beuno> Mike_F: needs you  :D
[11:15] <Mike_F> thanks
[11:15] <jenga> Mike_F: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[11:15] <Mike_F> Do you also list the event on the ubuntu site somewhere?
[11:16] <jenda> Mike_F: there's a link on that page :)
[11:16] <Mike_F> I just saw that too;
[11:16] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances
[11:16] <jenda> 
[11:18] <Mike_F> i was wondering is ubuntu advertised in any magazines ?
[11:22] <jenda> not regularly, and not that I know of.
[11:22] <jenda> But it has prolly has more appearances than other distros.
[11:26] <Mike_F> Linux trade mags ?
[11:27] <Mike_F> i don't see the "conference pack" there ?
[11:31] <boredandblogging> hey jenda, was there is conversation about the magazine here?
[11:32] <jenda> yep
[11:32] <boredandblogging> the full circle thing?
[11:32] <boredandblogging> how did it go?
[11:33] <boredandblogging> i guess I could read the logs ;-)
[11:35] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: It was fine
[11:35] <adamant1988> We came to a good agreement
[11:36] <adamant1988> I felt it was satisfactory at least.  A good magazine will be produced and we don't have to dedicate tons of time and resources we don't have ot it
[11:36] <boredandblogging> good good
[11:36] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: We do just need to give it the run over and make sure everythings OK, distribution is more our part of the bargain
[11:37] <boredandblogging> cool, who is actually writing the articles?
[11:37] <adamant1988> Volunteer mostly
[11:38] <adamant1988> Whoever wants to contribute an article
[11:40] <boredandblogging> very cool, is there a team thats going to be in charge? volunteers are nice, someone has to have the commitment to do it
[11:44] <Mike_F> How will be subscribe to the Ubuntu Magazine and will it be available [here]  in the USA?
[11:45] <boredandblogging> adamant1988, would canonical help with something like that?
[11:46] <Mike_F> I would like to come up to speed on what all of you people are doing please bear with me
[11:46] <boredandblogging> the magazine thing is pretty recent
[11:47] <Mike_F> I have seen some linux trade mags, but I think people who read them already know about ubuntu
[11:47] <boredandblogging> Mike_F, have you seen the thread about the magazine?
[11:47] <Mike_F> no, help me out
[11:47] <boredandblogging> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2369160#poststop
[11:48] <Mike_F> thank you
[11:48] <Mike_F> "e" is cool, but paper is better
[11:49] <Mike_F> 31 pages I want to read the whole thread
[11:49] <boredandblogging> i was assuming it would be paper, no one lets their site hang around stale for a month
[11:49] <boredandblogging> like the sites for linux journal and linux format are updated daily
[11:50] <boredandblogging> no one really does magazine online
[11:51] <Mike_F> I agree with the paper thing 100%
[11:51] <boredandblogging> actually I see no mention of paper anywhere
[11:52] <Mike_F> Where would it be published in the UK?
[11:52] <boredandblogging> hey adamant1988 is this going to be paper or online?
[11:52] <Mike_F> I saw a linux mag from the UK in a local bookstore and it was sixteen dollars
[11:52] <boredandblogging> ouch
[11:53] <Mike_F> I had a "free" distro cd, but it need to be around five to sell here
[11:53] <Mike_F> yeah
[11:55] <boredandblogging> Mike_F, I think the ones I've seen at borders have been around $7
[11:55] <boredandblogging> not bad, but not that great
[11:56] <Mike_F> The others that I saw was about that, seven is cool
[11:56] <boredandblogging> yeah, I think 7 is pretty much the limit for me
[11:57] <Mike_F> are you in the us
[11:57] <boredandblogging> yeah, atlanta
[11:58] <Mike_F> Cocoa Beach, Florida
[11:58] <boredandblogging> cool
[11:58] <boredandblogging> lived in orland for a few years
[11:58] <boredandblogging> orlando
[11:58] <Mike_F> i go over there a couple of times a week
[11:59] <adamant1988> boredandblogging: pdf form
[11:59] <boredandblogging> really?
[12:00] <Mike_F> I guess some kind of Google marketing would drive a "e-mag"
[12:01] <Mike_F> I saw google hosted a Ubuntu event in there offices in New York not that long ago
[12:01] <Mike_F> Are they a big user?
[12:02] <boredandblogging> think I heard google did something similar in CA
[12:03] <Mike_F> If a company like google is a big ubuntu user, that shows like a pretty good testimonial 
[12:04] <boredandblogging> well, if people used that logic, everyone would use Linux all the time
[12:04] <Mike_F> I wish I could type something other then code
[12:04] <boredandblogging> Mike_F, programmer?
[12:04] <Mike_F> yes
[12:04] <boredandblogging> what language?
[12:05] <Mike_F> a lot of them over the years
[12:05] <Mike_F> right now I am learning groovy
[12:06] <boredandblogging> oh yeah?
[12:07] <boredandblogging> i've been thinking about trying it out, but haven't gotten around to it
[12:07] <boredandblogging> I do java
[12:07] <boredandblogging> we tend to do everything in java