[12:12] <gnomefreak> is there a way to check SHA1SUM's like md5sum command for md5's?
[12:12] <TheMuso> gnomefreak: Yeah there is the sha1sum command.
[12:13] <gnomefreak> sweet :)
[12:13] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:19] <TheMuso> np
[12:59] <TheMuso> If one needs to update a native source package from Debian with a fix for Ubuntu, and the Debian package does not have a debian revision number, i.e -1 or whatever, should one use the same version number with -0ubuntu1 on the end? dpkg --compare-versions says that the version-0ubuntu1 is greater, but is that the best way to go version number wise?
[01:02] <TheMuso> In this case, I'm reviewing a debdiff for the sbuild package. Bug 84183
[01:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 84183 in sbuild "sbuild depends on grep-dctrl, which is a transition package" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84183
[01:05] <crimsun> it'd be 0.52 -> 0.52ubuntu1
[01:06] <TheMuso> crimsun: I was wondering that. Thanks. I'll ask for it to be re-created, as it patch doesn't apply without manual entring of files to patch anyway.
[01:06] <TheMuso> i.e, attempt to patch, cannot find file at line blah.
[01:15] <phaidros> hi, is there an overview how the whole ubuntu provess works?
[01:15] <TheMuso> phaidros: There may be something on the wiki.
[01:15] <phaidros> I mean I just got told in another chat, that ubuntu syncs with debian at the begin of a lifecycle. 
[01:16] <phaidros> but is there something which covers ubuntu-debian, universe, multiverse, motu, who is volounteer, who is canonical (just in general) and such?
[01:16] <phaidros> what the process of packages from one group to the others is ..
[01:16] <phaidros> ahm its TheMuso , hehe :)
[01:17] <phaidros> heya
[01:17] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[01:18] <crimsun> start there, and spider outward
[01:18] <TheMuso> phaidros: You also may find this worth reading. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[01:18] <phaidros> thanks TheMuso 
[01:18] <TheMuso> np
[02:15] <pochu> Amaranth: around?
[02:22] <pochu> night all
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:15] <fernando> hey bddebian 
[03:15] <bddebian> Hello fernando
[03:19] <RAOF> hey bddebian 
[03:20] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[03:34] <Amaranth> d'oh
[03:34] <Amaranth> missed pochu
[03:37] <TheMuso> Theres always the goold ol' email. :p
[04:44] <ajmitch> keescook: seen http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/linux/selinux/2007040302-ubuntu-gets-apparmor.html ? :)
[04:46] <ajmitch> ah I see erich commented on your blog anyway
[04:46] <jdong> ajmitch: kees blogged it on Planet?
[04:47] <jdong> oh nvm
[04:47] <jdong> screw me for saying before reading.
[04:47] <ajmitch> no thanks
[04:47] <jdong> but I still think Apparmor is better than nothing....
[04:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you ever write a translator for Hurd? :-)
[04:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: why would I want to?
[04:48] <bddebian> Dunno, I'm trying to write my second one and I'm lost :'-(
[04:48] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  I think there's too many apparmor/lids/selinux/grsecurity stuff laying around alerady :(
[04:50] <jdong> apparmor's path weakness has been a serious issue.....
[04:50] <jdong> it's been complained about a lot before
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> apparmor uses paths instead of xattr
[04:50] <bluefoxicy> ?
[04:57] <jdong> yeah
[04:57] <jdong> symlinking to a binary will neuter apparmor.
[04:57] <jdong> serious issue :)
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> I'm not sure how spender takes care of that
[06:39] <superm1> imbrandon, ping
[08:37] <imbrandon> moins
[08:37] <RAOF> Hey imbrandon 
[08:39] <RAOF> Hm.  If I've got a couple of patches to fix a couple of bugs, one of which is a trivial patch while the second patch is much less trivial, is it a good idea to lump them together into a single debdiff?
[08:40] <siretart> RAOF: depends on the person which is going to sponsor your upload ;)
[08:41] <RAOF> 15LOC vs. 2KLOC :)
[08:42] <RAOF> Eh, they're both patches.  I suppose it'd be easy enough for the sponsor to remove the larger one if they want?
[08:43] <crimsun> is there a compelling reason to be applying a 2KLOC patch at this point to a source package for feisty?
[08:43] <RAOF> Probably not.
[08:43] <crimsun> sounds like your question is resolved ;)
[08:43] <RAOF> It allows banshee to import wavpack files that it has itself created, which would be nice.
[08:44] <crimsun> oh, that bug.
[08:44] <RAOF> But not critical, certainly.
[08:44] <RAOF> Yup.  Upstream decided to refactor to solve it :S
[08:45] <RAOF> Ok, I'll give the 15 line patch a test tonight, and debdiff that one.
[08:45] <joejaxx> crimsun: has anyone thought of setting up pts for ubuntu?
[08:46] <crimsun> joejaxx: I don't know offhand  (but...LP?)
[08:46] <joejaxx> yeah that is true too
[09:02] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Can I somehow convince you to bless bug #83539?
[09:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 83539 in kqemu "Update to GPL'ed version 1.3.0pre11" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83539
[09:04] <crimsun> looks sane, approved.
[09:05] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[09:05] <crimsun> np
[09:06] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: qemu is in universe is it not?
[09:07] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: It is.
[09:07] <TheMuso> Whats the approval needed for then?
[09:07] <TheMuso> Is that an SRU?
[09:08] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: It's a new upstream version.
[09:08] <TheMuso> ah right
[09:08] <Fujitsu> (and it's kqemu, not qemu)
[09:08] <Fujitsu> And kqemu is currently in multiverse, though soon to be universe.
[09:17] <ajmitch> evening
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Hi ajmitch.
[09:17] <ajmitch> yay, another debian box setup
[09:18] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: For what?
[09:18] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[09:18] <ajmitch> for work
[09:18] <ajmitch> because debian is good
[09:18] <Fujitsu> The latter was assumed.
[09:18] <ajmitch> & supports sw raid in the installer, along with various other useful things
[09:19] <joejaxx> ajmitch: yeah that too
[09:19] <StevenK> So does Ubuntu's alternative CD.
[09:19] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I thought so.
[09:19] <ajmitch> StevenK: however it's a little easier to get an etch netinst iso
[09:20] <Hobbsee> hey jussi01 
[09:20] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu 
[09:20] <ajmitch> either that or get a dapper alternate cd
[09:20] <jussi01> hi Hobbsee 
[09:20] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee, dholbach 
[09:22] <Hobbsee> heya ajmitch 
[09:22] <pochu> morning!
[09:22] <Fujitsu> Hi pochu.
[09:22] <pochu> hey Fujitsu
[09:23] <imbrandon> hello Hobbsee dholbach ajmitch Fujitsu and *
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[09:23] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[09:23] <Fujitsu> So many greetings!
[09:24] <dholbach> good morning
[09:24] <dholbach> hey ajmitch, hey imbrandon
[09:24] <pochu> hi imbrandon
[09:24] <joejaxx> hello imbrandon 
[09:25] <jussi01> dholbach, hi
[09:26] <dholbach> hey jussi01
[09:26] <jussi01> dholbach, I think I have to nuke that gsopcast... :(
[09:26] <dholbach> jussi01: let me know if you have something i should look at again
[09:27] <jussi01> because while the frontend is open source, the backend (sp-sc file you were missing) doesnt seem to be...
[09:30] <dholbach> jussi01: oh ok - would it be an alternative to get it into multiverse or something?
[09:30] <jussi01> dholbach, is that allowed? whats the proccedure?
[09:31] <jmg> you can depend on nonfree elements
[09:31] <jussi01> ok, so how do I package a single file then?
[09:32] <dholbach> maybe both have to be in multiverse then
[09:32] <dholbach> I dunno
[09:32] <jussi01> dholbach, the package you looked at just needs the sp-sc file to be in usr/bin, thats all that was missing...
[09:33] <dholbach> right
[09:34] <jussi01> sp-sc is a binary
[09:34] <dholbach> best to ask if sp-sc is redistributable at all - maybe in multiverse
[09:34] <jussi01> ok - who would I be asking about that?
[09:34] <jussi01> :D
[09:35] <jussi01> dholbach, the people who made sopcast gave me authority to have it put into repos if I want... 
[09:36] <dholbach> jussi01: best to prod them and the ubuntu-archive people about it
[09:37] <jussi01> dholbach, thanks
[09:37] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: if there is a sync request what is the proper method of handling it?
[09:37] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: ubuntu-archive performs the syncs.
[09:37] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: oh ok
[09:38] <jussi01> btw, can someone help me with a nasty printer driver in feisty? here is the read me... I go up to the modprobe bit, that worked, but the next instruction doesnt... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13634/
[09:39] <Hobbsee> !uvf
[09:39] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[09:40] <AstralJava> jussi01: Are you sure you're root?
[09:41] <pochu> slomo: liferea uvfe approved, can you take a look at it please? :) bug 102114
[09:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 102114 in liferea "[UVFe]  Liferea 1.2.10c" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102114
[09:41] <jussi01> yeah, jussi@jussi-laptop:~$ sudo chmod a+rw /dev/usb/lp0
[09:41] <jussi01> Password:
[09:41] <jussi01> chmod: cannot access `/dev/usb/lp0': No such file or directory
[09:41] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: what is the proper way to handle upgrade requests?
[09:41] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: Wait until Feisty+1, probably.
[09:41] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: oh
[09:43] <StevenK> By Rejecting them? :-P
[09:44] <jussi01> StevenK, fix my printer... !!!
[09:44] <micahcowan> Wow, launchpad is changed.
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Debugging it is not the most pleasant of tasks.
[09:44] <Fujitsu> micahcowan: Indeedily.
[09:44] <Fujitsu> And bugged up, of course.
[09:46] <micahcowan> nice....
[09:46] <jmg> rt?
[09:46] <StevenK> Request Tracker
[09:46] <Hobbsee> StevenK: nope.
[09:46] <Fujitsu> jmg: A really nasty Perl thing we use at work.
[09:47] <Fujitsu> It's enormous.
[09:47] <jmg> yuk
[09:48] <jmg> surely a consideration in reworking lp was to make it load faster.
[09:48] <Fujitsu> Can somebody head over to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kexi/+bug/61850/+editstatus and try and reject it?
[09:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 61850 in koffice "Kexi cannot access PostgreSQL databases anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[09:48] <jmg> it loads slower for me :(
[09:48] <Fujitsu> jmg: You'd think so, but apparently not.
[09:49] <jmg> it just look =s like its been whitewashed in web2.0 
[09:49] <jmg> and not even
[09:49] <jmg> if it was ajaxified maybeit wouldnt be so slow
[09:49] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: done.
[09:49] <zakame> hello motus
[09:49] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Did it work?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:49] <Fujitsu> Gr.
[09:50] <micahcowan> Hobbsee, really? I get the equivalent of a 404 when I try.
[09:50] <jmg> what were the deficiencies in launchd that required the creation of upstart?
[09:50] <micahcowan> "Page Not Found"
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: ?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> dont seem to here
[09:50] <StevenK> I got a 404 as well
[09:50] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, now i am
[09:50] <Fujitsu> OK.
[09:50] <Fujitsu> It's doing strange things.
[09:50] <Fujitsu> So my bug is sorta valid.
[09:51] <Fujitsu> When I attempted to reject it, it decided that the package field wanted to automagically change to koffice, so it complained that it was already filed there.
[09:51] <Hobbsee> neat.  apparently motu-uvf only requires one person now
[09:51] <Fujitsu> For you it seems to have just obliterated the package.
[09:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: oh?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: you here?
[09:51] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Did you manually blank the package field?
[09:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: when did that happen?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Once one of the [WWW]  team members marks the bug as Confirmed you can proceed with uploading.
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: No, that's still two.
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Did it work if you left it alone.
[09:52] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: no
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: The last of them will mark it as Confirmed.
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: OK, thanks.
[09:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: could you ack https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basket/+bug/102252 please?
[09:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 102252 in basket "UVFe - Sync Basket 1.0.1 from experimental" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[09:53] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: what do you think xchm should be under menu wise?
[09:53] <ajmitch>  debian/patches/98_buildprep.diff           |94914 -----------------------------
[09:53] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: Whatever gnochm is under, I guess.
[09:53] <ajmitch> well that's a large patch dropped
[09:53] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: ahh that is the name of it
[09:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed.
[09:53] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: ... rather.
[09:53] <ajmitch> just autocrap?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> i think so, yeah
[09:53] <ajmitch> k
[09:53] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: i could not remember the name of that similar app
[09:54] <ajmitch> any other info about it?
[09:54] <ajmitch> no NEWS or ChangeLog?
[09:54] <imbrandon> kchm also exists
[09:54] <Hobbsee> yep, it's autohell
[09:54] <ajmitch> svn log?
[09:54] <crimsun> Hobbsee: hi
[09:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: points to the incorrect website link.  the correct website link is attached, and that's the chagnelog
[09:54] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeah kchmviewer 
[09:54] <joejaxx> i need to look at that as well
[09:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's only those fixes that were there - upstream is gearing up to do a bigger release in a while, but i requested the bugfixing be done pre-feisty-release
[09:55] <ajmitch> k
[09:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: basket doesnt do svn, bugtrackers, etc.
[09:55] <ajmitch> ugh
[09:55] <Hobbsee> well, it might do svn
[09:55] <Hobbsee> doesnt really have a bugtracker
[09:55] <ajmitch> sounds like a moderately crap upstream
[09:55] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I have to agree.
[09:55] <StevenK> Of course, it's a KDE app
[09:55] <ajmitch> looks like they do have svn
[09:55] <Hobbsee> well, if it's only one or two people, then why go to all that effort?
[09:55] <Fujitsu> No bugtracker? That's insane.
[09:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the ML, apparently
[09:56] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Urgh.
[09:56] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: gnochm just has a debian menu entry
[09:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: from what i see, its' still relatively new, too.  so i'd expect them to, eventually
[09:56] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: What about kchmviewer?
[09:56] <joejaxx> let me check kchmviewer
[09:56] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: yeah i am doing that now
[09:56] <Hobbsee> kchmviewer's a direct sync from debian, isnt it?
[09:57] <ajmitch> doesn't look like they bother with things like svn tags, either
[09:57] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: That's irrelevant.
[09:57] <Hobbsee> quite likely
[09:57] <ajmitch>  svn ls http://basket.linux62.org/svn/basket/tags gives nothing
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh, sorry.  misread - thought you were wanting to make changes to it
[09:57] <joejaxx> that also only has a debian menu entry
[09:58] <joejaxx> that one is under Apps/Editors
[09:58] <joejaxx> gnochm is under Apps/Viewers
[09:58] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: confirmed
[09:58] <joejaxx> xchm is Applications;Viewers;Graphics
[09:58] <joejaxx> hmm
[09:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thanks.  i need crimsun or someone to do the same nwo?
[09:59] <ajmitch> no
[09:59] <ajmitch> dholbach gave +1
[09:59] <Hobbsee> oh, excellent, thanks dholbach!
[09:59] <dholbach> Hobbsee: np
[09:59] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: I'm thinking Accessories.
[10:00] <ajmitch> dholbach: what do you think about ldap-account-manager?
[10:00] <ajmitch> last comment in bug 95328
[10:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 95328 in ldap-account-manager "[UVFe Sync Request]  ldap-account-manager 1.2.0-1" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95328
[10:00] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: yeah
[10:00] <ajmitch> it'd be ok to have, but the security bug can be fixed from testing-proposed-updates
[10:00] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: too bad there is not a "Viewers" entry like on the debian menu
[10:02] <dholbach> ajmitch: the changes are not really huge and I thought it the update had its benefits anyway - if you disagree, put in a -1 - I don't feel that strongly about it
[10:02] <dholbach> ajmitch: but good you checked
[10:02] <ajmitch> I'm ok with it, just had to clarify on the bug
[10:13] <ajmitch> dholbach: what's special & blingy about accerciser?
[10:13] <dholbach> ajmitch: it's dogtail-ng
[10:14] <dholbach> actively worked on - etc :)
[10:14] <ajmitch> ah :)
[10:14] <ajmitch> hm, IBM
[10:15] <ajmitch> looks sane
[10:15] <ajmitch> do we need another +1 or not?
[10:15] <dholbach> dunno
[10:15] <TheMuso> gah IBM.
[10:15] <TheMuso> They always have to bring out different stuff.
[10:16] <TheMuso> Duplicate work annoys me greatly.
[10:16] <StevenK> TheMuso: Lintian and Linda?
[10:17] <imbrandon> heh
[10:17] <ajmitch> hm
[10:17] <ajmitch> bug 101988
[10:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 101988 in irqbalance "irqbalance universe UVFe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101988
[10:17] <imbrandon> StevenK, use your DD powa's and get me the scripts from lintian.debian.org
[10:17] <ajmitch> quite a big version jump, but I trust kylem fairly well
[10:17] <StevenK> imbrandon: Why?
[10:17] <dholbach> ajmitch: can you assign the bugs you confirm to the people who filed the bugs?
[10:17] <ajmitch> small package, etc
[10:17] <ajmitch> dholbach: yeah, will do
[10:18] <imbrandon> StevenK, so i can setup a ubuntu {lintian,linda}.ubuntuwire.com for the whole archive
[10:18] <TheMuso> StevenK: Sorry, but that is quite different IMO. Accessibility is such a small field, that we can't have people going off and re-inventing the damn wheel.
[10:18] <StevenK> TheMuso: Ah.
[10:18] <ajmitch> hi viviersf 
[10:18] <StevenK> imbrandon: I'd rather you didn't use the lintian.d.o scripts. They suck. :-)
[10:19] <imbrandon> StevenK, hehe ok, wanna write some ? lol
[10:19] <StevenK> imbrandon: I tried, and have about 3 versions somewhere.
[10:19] <StevenK> I got caught up not having Linda choke on certain packages.
[10:20] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:20] <ajmitch> ok, UVF backlog is slowly coming down
[10:20] <StevenK> And then I got distracted by this whole Ubuntu thing.
[10:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:24] <ajmitch> wb dholbach :)
[10:25] <dholbach> :)
[10:26] <ajmitch> hm, a few uvf bugs that can't be approved just yet
[10:28] <ajmitch> (bug 94962, mr ubotu)
[10:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 94962 in sysv-rc-bootsplash "[UVFe Sync Request]  sysv_rc_bootsplash" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94962
[10:30] <joejaxx> does this look good? http://fluxbuntu.org/bug83400.patch
[10:31] <ajmitch> dholbach: yay, 6 open uvf bugs for universe now
[10:31] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[10:31] <joejaxx> :)
[10:32] <dholbach> NICE
[10:35] <joejaxx> anyone want to look at bug 83400? i uploaded a patch
[10:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 83400 in xchm "chm applications in different submenus" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83400
[10:35] <tepsipakki> is two ack's enough for a UVFe?
[10:35] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: yes
[10:35] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: ya
[10:35] <tepsipakki> +y
[10:35] <tepsipakki> :)
[10:35] <joejaxx> :)
[10:35] <ajmitch> :)
[10:35] <siretart> hi ajmitch 
[10:36] <tepsipakki> all the intel-lovers will get a new driver, then
[10:36] <siretart> ajmitch: did you already upgrade your raid/lvm system?
[10:36] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[10:36] <Fujitsu> tepsipakki: i810-modesetting?
[10:36] <ajmitch> no, I haven't rebooted yet
[10:36] <ajmitch> is it horribly broken?
[10:36] <Fujitsu> Hahah, I saw that bug, siretart.
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Looks quite broken.
[10:37] <ajmitch> uh oh
[10:37] <tepsipakki> Fujitsu: yes, although that one should be removed when -intel is uploaded
[10:37] <siretart> ajmitch: booting now works, but the new devmapper upload makes problems for me. wanted to ask you if you can confirm this
[10:37] <Fujitsu> tepsipakki: We're getting -intel now?
[10:37] <ajmitch> siretart: I'm not brave enough to reboot right now ;)
[10:37] <tepsipakki> Fujitsu: yes, but it won't replace -i810 yet
[10:37] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: into universe still?
[10:37] <tepsipakki> yes
[10:37] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: ^^
[10:38] <siretart> ajmitch: keybuk asked for additional informations. since I have the machine only at home, there are some rather large roundtrips for that :/
[10:38] <ajmitch> siretart: ah :(
[10:38] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That would be great... hopefully for Feisty+1.
[10:38] <tepsipakki> 1.9.94 was released two hours ago, but I'll upload .93 now
[10:38] <tepsipakki> and wait for debian to release .94
[10:39] <tepsipakki> Fujitsu: definately for feisty+1
[10:39] <ajmitch> for feisty+1 it ought to be default
[10:39] <Fujitsu> tepsipakki: I'm sure they've been saying that since Dapper.
[10:39] <siretart> tepsipakki: is that the one which does the lovely xrandr 1.2 crack?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it hasnt been there that long yet.
[10:39] <Fujitsu> `no, we won't promote 915resolution, because i810-modesetting will be fine for Edgy' or similar.
[10:39] <tepsipakki> siretart: yes, although that requires xorg-server-1.3
[10:40] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: True...
[10:40] <siretart> do we even have an uptodate xrandr 1.2 binary?
[10:40] <siretart> I only see the 1.0.2 binary in feisty
[10:40] <Fujitsu> siretart: No, we don't.
[10:40] <ajmitch> siretart: are you able to work around your devmapper issues & finally get it booting?
[10:41] <siretart> ajmitch: yes, by downgrading to ubuntu5, as stated in the bugreport
[10:41] <ajmitch> ugh
[10:41] <ajmitch> so you need to boot with a live cd & all
[10:41] <siretart> ajmitch: nah
[10:41] <siretart> ajmitch: pressing Sysreq-i helps
[10:41] <tepsipakki> siretart: no we don't, but that wouldn't work right anyway since we have xorg-server-1.2
[10:42] <siretart> ajmitch: this way I have to mount my home volume by hand, but at least I have a root shell
[10:42] <ajmitch> oh that's not so bad
[10:42] <siretart> tepsipakki: does debian have an xorg-server-1.3 in experimental?
[10:42] <tepsipakki> siretart: yes
[10:43] <siretart> sounds lovely :)
[10:43] <tepsipakki> it works fine, but too late for feisty
[10:43] <tepsipakki> we discussed about it a week ago
[10:43] <siretart> well, I've heared there will be another release after feisty after all ;)
[10:44] <ajmitch> siretart: oh really? :)
[10:44] <tepsipakki> siretart: you'll dist-upgrade when feisty+1 opens, so.. :)
[10:44] <siretart> :)
[10:45] <tepsipakki> also, the new server would have required a rebuild of all the drivers
[10:46] <siretart> tepsipakki: how is this rebuild enforced? by binary package rename?
[10:47] <tepsipakki> ABI changes
[10:47] <Fujitsu> siretart: Probably an ABI change...
[10:48] <ajmitch> siretart: by having lots of users complaining
[10:48] <Fujitsu> ajmitch has it right.
[10:48] <siretart> so the packages will be renamed, so that the outdated servers needing a rebuild will become uninstallable?
[10:48] <tepsipakki> no, just change the Provides in control
[10:49] <tepsipakki> now all the drivers provide xserver-xorg-video-1.0
[10:49] <siretart> glx seemed to have missed the rebuild
[11:02] <TheMuso> Can UVF requests and syncs be combined into one bug report, or must they be separate?
[11:02] <pochu> slomo: thanks :)
[11:02] <viviersf> lol hey ajmitch 
[11:03] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i've done together, never been yelled at
[11:03] <TheMuso> Ok.
[11:34] <gpocentek> hello MOTU world
[11:34] <ajmitch> hi gpocentek 
[11:34] <gpocentek> hi ajmitch 
[11:35] <imbrandon> heya gpocentek 
[11:35] <gpocentek> hi imbrandon 
[11:36] <Fujitsu> Hi gpocentek.
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hey gpocentek 
[11:38] <gpocentek> hey Hobbsee, hey Fujitsu 
[11:49] <dholbach> hey gpocentek
[11:51] <gpocentek> hello dholbach :)
[11:51] <sacater> muahahaha
[11:52] <sacater> sorry
[11:52] <sacater> not me
[11:52] <Fujitsu> sacater: What have you done now?
[11:52] <sacater> my mate
[11:52] <sacater> ignore my grinning
[11:52] <sacater> sorry
[11:52] <sacater> welp
[11:52] <sacater> ignore him
[11:52] <sacater> any unusual comments from me
[11:52] <sacater> ignore them
[11:52] <sacater> im round a mates house
[11:52] <sacater> :P
[11:54] <welp> yeah, that really was me... muahahahaha
[11:54] <Fujitsu> Gentoo dev!
[11:54] <welp> sacater: you should learn to fit more stuff on one line
[11:54] <welp> yeah, run an hide!
[11:54] <welp> muahahaha!
[11:54] <Fujitsu> !enter
[11:54] <welp> uuhuh?
[11:55] <Fujitsu> It appears to not work in here.
[11:55] <welp> !hide
[11:55] <sacater> welp
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <lupine_85> !enter the dragon
[11:55] <sacater> please piss of
[11:55] <sacater> off*
[11:55] <welp> :o
[11:55] <Fujitsu> ubotu: enter
[11:55] <lupine_85> meh :D
[11:55] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:55] <sacater> you are 5 feet away from me :P
[11:55] <sacater> Fujitsu: im at his desk, and hes on his bed
[11:55] <welp> sacater: sure about that? there's a tape measure in the kitchen draw downstairs if you wanna check
[11:55] <Fujitsu> sacater: Ah.
[11:55] <sacater> welp: screw you hippie!
[11:56] <Fujitsu> ubotu: offtopic
[11:56] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:56] <sacater> sorry
[11:56] <sacater> he ius
[11:56] <sacater> he is in a home
[11:56] <sacater> :(
[12:27] <dholbach> TheMuso: was motu-tools renamed already?
[12:27] <TheMuso> dholbach: Haven't heard anything about it. I was told that I had to file a question against the launchpad product, which I did, but nothing as yet. Why do you ask?
[12:27] <dholbach> ok
[12:27] <dholbach> no, just wanted to know, because seb128 could commit his LP greasemonkey script
[12:27] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:27] <TheMuso> Do you think we should wait till its renamed before moving trunk to ubuntu-dev, or should it be done immediately?
[12:27] <dholbach> it's just a matter of pushing it to the place
[12:27] <dholbach> and later to mark it as merged or something
[12:27] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[12:28] <TheMuso> We'll see what happens.
[12:32] <Fujitsu> dholbach: What does this greasemonkey script do?
[12:38] <dholbach> Fujitsu: you have small links which put in stock replies
[12:39] <TheMuso> dholbach: I still don't quite get what that script does.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> fora?
[12:39] <lupine_85> plural of forum
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:40] <lupine_85>  /topic == HAPPY UNIVERSE HUG DAY ?
[12:40] <dholbach> TheMuso: it adds several links to the "change status/importance/... form", if you click them, they add stock replies to the text entry
[12:40] <dholbach> TheMuso: as in bugs.gnome.org
[12:40] <TheMuso> dholbach: Oh ok.
[12:42] <Fujitsu> dholbach: Is this script anywhere publicly accessible at the moment?
[12:42] <dholbach> people.ubuntu.com/~seb128
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[12:42] <dholbach> de rien
[12:49] <jekil> hello
[12:49] <Hobbsee> hiya
[12:51] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hiya
[01:02] <TheMuso> mr_pouit: I just uploaded ndisgtk.
[01:02] <TheMuso> mr_pouit: SO no need to worry about that one.
[01:05] <jwendell> Hi, TheMuso 
[01:05] <TheMuso> Hi jwendell.
[01:05] <jwendell> TheMuso, i think it's better to forward that bug to debian, instead of fix it. What do you think?
[01:06] <TheMuso> jwendell: Yeah not a bad idea. If you could do that, that would be great, as I am kinda busy with other things at this moment.
[01:07] <jwendell> TheMuso, ok, i'll do that
[01:07] <TheMuso> jwendell: Thanks.
[01:12] <imbrandon> or forward it to debian AND fix it ( in debian ) ;)
[01:14] <Fujitsu> It's getting a little late to forward and not fix it here.
[01:15] <imbrandon> true
[01:15] <TheMuso> Well its to fix a package depending on a transitional package.
[01:15] <Fujitsu> Everything needs approval from the 12th.
[01:16] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, can you stay up with the rdf talk over the next days since you already deal with LP devs a bit
[01:16] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Sure.
[01:16] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, you rock
[01:16] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I doubt it.
[01:41] <AstralJava> Hey guys (dholbach, if you're there), I've got a problem; trying to build iconset package ends up with a situation where make dist breaks if I haven't specified symlinks in source directories, but the thing is I don't want them in Makefile.am files, but in debian/links. What should I do to get rid of the problem? I have tried to look at human-icon-theme but there aren't any symlinks there.
[01:43] <dholbach> the symlinks in h-i-t get generated by icon-naming-utils
[01:43] <dholbach> why does the build break if you don't put them in Makefile,am?
[01:43] <AstralJava> Oh? My eyes have betrayed me then.
[01:43] <dholbach> that doesn't make sense
[01:44] <AstralJava> dholbach: This is the tail of the output of make dist. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13645/
[01:44] <AstralJava> dholbach: gtk-save.png is a symlink inside ./16x16/actions/
[01:44] <AstralJava> But I have no idea how it even sees that.
[01:44] <dholbach> why don't you leave the symlinks out
[01:45] <dholbach> and add them to debian/install instead?
[01:45] <AstralJava> By "leaving the symlinks out" you mean deleting them from the directories?
[01:46] <AstralJava> ...or not having them in config files? Cause they aren't in any other than debian/links.
[01:46] <dholbach> delete them and let them get created by the build system
[01:46] <dholbach> by the debian build
[01:48] <AstralJava> Okay, I guess I can do that. Any advice on how to mention this in a bzr branch so if another maintainer uses that branch, [s] he gets the idea about this?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> in command: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us what do the -uc -us do?
[02:12] <dholbach> gnomefreak: not sign the binaries, not sign the source
[02:12] <geser> -us = unsigned source, -uc unsigned changes
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:13] <gnomefreak> i will rebuild see how it goes.
[02:14] <geser> this only prevents that you're asked for your gpg passphrase at the end of the build (and thus no signing)
[03:15] <superm1> imbrandon, you here?
[03:17] <superm1> lol
[03:17] <TheMuso> superm1: I'd say he's sleeping.
[03:17] <TheMuso> or is just away
[03:17] <superm1> TheMuso,  i never understand his schedule.  i thought he was USA, but he appears to sometimes be up at very early hours of the evening many nights
[03:18] <Hobbsee> he works a lot
[03:19] <superm1> Hobbsee, I assumed as much :) .  Just hard to figure out when to be on to catch him for a few moments
[03:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 99938 in banshee "All files in Banshee end with a comma" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99938
[03:25] <StevenK> Dear me. Did someone yell at RAOF? :-P
[03:42] <wick2o> morning
[03:52] <Hobbsee> StevenK: heh
[04:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:06] <joejaxx> hello bddebian 
[04:06] <bddebian> Hello joejaxx
[04:06] <joejaxx> bddebian: do you know if a second xserver would be allowed into the repos?
[04:06] <bddebian> What do you mean by a second xserver?
[04:07] <joejaxx> like kdrive
[04:07] <StevenK> I thought kdrive had been killed?
[04:07] <bddebian> Yeah, me to
[04:07] <bddebian> Hey \sh
[04:08] <\sh> moins bddebian
[04:09] <joejaxx> bddebian: what do you mean by killed?
[04:10] <bddebian> joejaxx: I thought development had kind of died/stalled?
[04:10] <joejaxx> oh that is what you mean
[04:16] <joejaxx> bddebian: well the last commit was one year and a month ago :P
[04:25] <bddebian> joejaxx: Sure, let's bring it in then ;-P
[04:25] <joejaxx> :)
[05:10] <TomaszD> hello, I'm a bit lost when it comes to this uvf of mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomad2/+bug/93226
[05:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 93226 in gnomad2 "UVF exception for Gnomad2 2.8.11" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[05:10] <TomaszD> I was just assigned to this bug, does it mean that I have to build the .deb now? I don't know how to do this...
[05:14] <ScottK> Is start-stop-daemon the preferred Ubuntu way to stop daemons?  The init for clamsmtp uses it and it doesn't actually manage to stop the daemon.  The problem is that it doesn't find the running process (and I checked, it's running).
[05:15] <wick2o> ScottK: i always just use /etc/init.d/
[05:15] <wick2o> but its just old habit
[05:16] <ScottK> The problem is the init script for clamsmtp that is IN init.d uses start-stop-daemon and it isn't working.  I'm trying to fix the bug.
[05:17] <ScottK> The upstream provided init just uses kill and that'll work, but I want to try and do it the 'correct' debian/ubuntu way.
[05:23] <joejaxx> hmm imbrandon had told me the versioning for cvs before but i cannot recall it
[05:24] <joejaxx> is it 0+cvsYYYYMMDD ?
[05:38] <geser> TomaszD: yes, it's up to you now to provide a package (and get it uploaded through sponsors)
[05:38] <TomaszD> geser, oh, no...
[05:39] <geser> TomaszD: have you tested if the current packaging can be used?
[05:39] <TomaszD> <3 packaging
[05:39] <geser> it most cases you can simply exchange the original source tar ball and be nearly ready
[05:40] <TomaszD> oh
[05:40] <TomaszD> I'll try that...
[05:43] <geser> TomaszD: have you tried to build the gnomad2 packages from Debian experimental?
[05:43] <geser> there is already 2.8.11-2
[05:44] <TomaszD> geser, I really, really don't feel comfortable with this topic as I'm only a user who wanted 2.8.11 in Ubuntu, reported it properly and now realised that it's beyond his abilities
[05:45] <TomaszD> well, not only a user, I'm also GNOME upstream translator and an Ubuntu Translator, but that doesn't help with packaging
[05:45] <TomaszD> I do my fair amount of work anyway
[05:46] <geser> TomaszD: I'll test-build the package from Debian experimental later and try to get them (if I got forget)
[05:46] <TomaszD> geser, thank you!
[05:50] <azeem> if a bug can be fixed by syncing from Debian, can I just add ubuntu-archive to the subscribers (and do possibly other stuff), or should I file a new bug?
[05:51] <dholbach> i'd change the bug title to be obvious, but use the same bug
[05:51] <geser> no need to file a new bug, just add the needed info for a sync to the bug
[05:51] <azeem> thanks
[05:56] <geser> TomaszD: I'll try to update your bug if got the Debian packages working so poke me if you don't see an update in the next few days (especially as the upload freeze comes nearer)
[05:57] <TomaszD> geser, I'll remember to do this, ok
[06:01] <sacater> gnomefreak: what was that guys name again? the one who gave me +u, my mate wants to know :P
[06:24] <imbrandon> joejaxx, yes ( w.r.t. cvs versioning )
[06:25] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:42] <Adri2000> what happens to universe/multiverse on thursday? is it like herd freezes?
[06:46] <geser> Adri2000: I hope so. The Universe Freeze is on 12th April.
[06:49] <Adri2000> geser: Universe Freeze? FeistyReleaseSchedule says it's RC Freeze
[06:51] <shawarma> siretart: UDS-Sevilla ftw! \o/
[06:51] <geser> in the last week uploads to universe needs to be reviewed (it was discussed during one MOTU meeting)
[06:52] <siretart> shawarma: :)
[06:52] <shawarma> siretart: Where are you staying?
[06:53] <siretart> shawarma: I'm getting sponsored by canoncial
[06:53] <shawarma> siretart: Oh, shiny!
[06:53] <Adri2000> geser: yes, uploads to main too I guess, RC freeze :)
[06:58] <LaserJock> good morning MOTU Land
[06:58] <geser> Hi LaserJock
[06:59] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, geser
[06:59] <geser> Hi bddebian
[06:59] <LaserJock> I've got an OT question about NM and WPA
[07:00] <LaserJock> I finally decided to not leave my wifi at home open for everybody
[07:00] <LaserJock> so I added a WPA password
[07:00] <LaserJock> I put it in NM but now it asks me for keychain access everytime boot up or resume
[07:01] <shawarma> LaserJock: That's by design.
[07:01] <azeem> LaserJock: "open" means really open, not WEP?
[07:01] <LaserJock> azeem: yes, open
[07:01] <azeem> NM doesn't ask me on resume, but reboot
[07:02] <shawarma> LaserJock: There's work in progress to allow a system-wide kind of configuration thing in 0.7.0, but for now, that's the way it is.
[07:02] <LaserJock> well that sucks
[07:02] <shawarma> azeem: That's a bug. :-)
[07:02] <LaserJock> I might just reopen my wifi then :(
[07:04] <LaserJock> it really needs to be that tough? like somebody's going to hope on your laptop and somehow steal your WPA password
[07:04] <LaserJock> you should be able to set it and forget
[07:04] <shawarma> LaserJock: I believe it's in the keyring design to act that way.
[07:04] <LaserJock> does it do the same thing for WEP?
[07:04] <azeem> yes
[07:04] <shawarma> LaserJock: It's not so much nm, I believe.
[07:04] <LaserJock> bah
[07:04] <LaserJock> retarded
[07:05] <geser> LaserJock: have you tried to do it via /etc/network/interfaces and not NM?
[07:05] <LaserJock> geser: no, because NM is supposed to make it easy
[07:05] <LaserJock> so much for that ;-)
[07:06] <LaserJock> for now I have my password on a sticky note on my laptop so my wife can use it
[07:06] <LaserJock> real secure :-)
[07:07] <shawarma> Give her her own login, and add pam-keyring to the pam chain.
[07:07] <shawarma> and make sure her login password is the same as the keyring..
[07:07] <shawarma> that way, her password is propagated to gnome-keyring, automagically unlocking it on login.
[07:07] <LaserJock> well, that has it's own issues
[07:08] <shawarma> Sure.
[07:08] <LaserJock> if I can do it via interfaces maybe I'll just ditch NM
[07:08] <LaserJock> I think we were better off before NM
[07:08] <salty-horse> hi. i'd like to request an update of the xmltv package (maintainer listed as MOTU) to a new version, but that new version includes a dependency on a perl module that doesn't have a debian/ubuntu package at all. where should I file my request?
[07:09] <LaserJock> salty-horse: on Launchpad
[07:09] <salty-horse> LaserJock, as a regular bug?
[07:09] <LaserJock> salty-horse: you can file a bug and tag it needs-packaging for the perl module
[07:09] <LaserJock> salty-horse: and file a bug for xmltv and tag it upgrade and note the situation with the perl module and give the bug number for that
[07:10] <salty-horse> where do i file the needs-packaging bug? attached to what package?
[07:11] <LaserJock> just file it against Ubuntu, no pakcage
[07:11] <salty-horse> is there anything like debian's wnpp?
[07:11] <salty-horse> ah
[07:11] <LaserJock> no, we don't have wnpp, we just file it against Ubuntu for now
[07:13] <salty-horse> thanks
[07:14] <stgraber> pochu: http://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu added some test data (today daily + beta)
[07:15] <stgraber> pochu: hmm, please answer on #-iso :) (I didn't check what channel I was writting to :))
[07:15] <pochu> stgraber: :)
[07:20] <salty-horse> LaserJock, I filed the first bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/102463 - how do I change the importance to "wishlist"?
[07:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 102463 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Locale::Hebrew" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[07:20] <shawarma> LaserJock: If you really hate having to reeenter you password after suspend/resume, it's a 6 line patch to gnome-power-manager. Don't tell anyone.
[07:21] <pochu> !importance | salty-horse
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about importance - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <LaserJock> salty-horse: did you click on "Ubuntu" under "Affects"?
[07:23] <pochu> hmm, I thought bdmurray tought ubotu about importance :)
[07:23] <pochu> salty-horse: are you a member of Ubuntu-qa?
[07:23] <geser> salty-horse: you need additional privileges to do it, I've done it for you
[07:23] <LaserJock> bah
[07:23] <salty-horse> LaserJock, where? I might have missed it? On the form, I marked the package as "I don't know" - that might have been a mistake :/
[07:23] <salty-horse> pochu, no
[07:23] <salty-horse> geser, thanks
[07:23] <LaserJock> salty-horse: no, that's fine
[07:24] <pochu> salty-horse: if you aren't, you can't change the importance in the Ubuntu bugs
[07:25] <salty-horse> i don't like how launchpad hides stuff I am not privileged to instead of stating it up front :(
[07:25] <salty-horse> LaserJock, i "attached" the request to the new version of xmltv in here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltv/+bug/48253
[07:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 48253 in xmltv "tv_grab_fi broken, needs update to 0.5.45" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[07:28] <LaserJock> salty-horse: hehe, it's just trying to keep people from being disappointed with "Nananana, you don't get in :p"
[07:31] <salty-horse> LaserJock, it just means more work for you, answering silly questions like mine :)
[07:31] <LaserJock> ah well, the things we do so users feel all warm and fuzzy inside :-)
[07:54] <ScottK> If there is anyone available from U-U-S, I just uploaded fixes for Bug #102470 and Bug #102391.  I uploaded the patch to 102470 since that was the more significant bug.
[07:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script fails to stop clamsmtp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[07:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102391 in clamsmtp "clamsmtp: config files uses obsolete scanheader option" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102391
[08:04] <DarkSun88> Hi
[08:07] <wick2o> hello
[08:14] <ScottK> bddebian: Any chance you could look at my latest (and tested) bug fixes?  ^^^
[08:14] <bddebian> ScottK: Not for a little bit sorry.  Ping me again in a couple hours if no one gets to them
[08:14] <ScottK> bddebian: Thanks.  Will do.
[08:20] <fdoving> any chances to get new upstream versions into feisty at this time?
[08:22] <geser> it should still be possible, you need an UVF exception for it
[08:22] <geser> but you need to hurry as universe freeze is on 12th april
[08:23] <LaserJock> oh man, I can't wait
[08:23] <fdoving> has the UVF process changed since edgy?
[08:23] <geser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9c768217b322f8567d24d91647eaf0a256a73046
[08:24] <fdoving> thanks.
[08:27] <_MMA_> siretart: Are you around? I need your opinion on our Ardour2 package.
[08:27] <siretart> _MMA_: dinner right now
[08:27] <_MMA_> Ok. Whns a good time?
[08:28] <_MMA_> *Whens
[08:34] <sacater> guys, is there an ubuntu installation method, that when installed, will give me nothuing but a a kernel and command prompt (non gui), and i manually compile stuff on top off it (or use apt)
[08:35] <jdong> sacater: a minimal/expert install from the alternate CD
[08:35] <_MMA_> A server install
[08:35] <sacater> jdong: okies
[08:35] <sacater> thanks
[08:35] <sacater> _MMA_: thanks
[08:36] <jdong> a server install will do similar
[08:36] <jdong> if you uncheck all the servers it offers :D
[08:40] <sacater> jdong: cool
[08:41] <LaserJock> well, a netinstall .iso would probably also work
[08:41] <sacater> LaserJock: ?
[08:42] <LaserJock> it installs Ubuntu via network rather than disk
[08:42] <LaserJock> it might depend on how basic you want to go
[08:42] <jdong> debootstrap!!
[08:43] <EtienneG> Seavas, hi pal !
[08:43] <EtienneG> sorry, typo in nick, again :
[08:43] <EtienneG> Seveas, hi pal !
[08:43] <Seveas> hi EtienneG 
[08:43] <Seveas> EtienneG, <tab> is your friend for weird nicks like mine ;)
[08:44] <EtienneG> Seveas, I have been told you are the clock-giver for IRC ...
[08:44] <EtienneG> actually, that's on the wiki
[08:44] <LaserJock> heh
[08:44] <Seveas> I don't give clocks
[08:44] <Seveas> mayb cloaks :)
[08:45] <bddebian> hehe
[08:45] <EtienneG> er ... right !
[08:45] <Seveas> EtienneG, launchpad id?
[08:45] <EtienneG> I'll take a cloak then
[08:45] <EtienneG> I am etienne-goyer-outlands
[08:46] <sacater> oooh
[08:46] <sacater> cloaks
[08:46] <sacater> i wouldnt mind a cloak :|
[08:48] <Adri2000> you need to become ubuntu member first
[08:48] <sacater> Adri2000: :(
[08:48] <sacater> ive made a few contributions :)
[08:48] <sacater> is 'few' good enough :S
[08:49] <EtienneG> Seveas, thanks !
[08:49] <PhinnFort> i have a cloak, and i haven't contributed anything
[08:49] <LaserJock> sacater: just keep contributing (and keeping track in your wiki page) for a couple months
[08:49] <PhinnFort> unofficial cloak;)
[08:50] <Lure> any motu-uvf member around: one documentation UVF (should be easy): bug 102471
[08:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 102471 in digikam-doc "UVF exception for 0.9.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102471
[09:03] <sacater> welp: erm slight problem, i made a new xserver, and i got the OUT OF RANGE message
[09:04] <sacater> whoops
[09:05] <ajmitch> morning
[09:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:16] <zul> hey ajmitch 
[09:17] <_MMA_> ajmitch: Let me know when you have a min. I was gonna talk with siretart but since your hear Ill let him eat. :)
[09:19] <sacater> erm
[09:20] <sacater> does anyone here know anything about the xserver and/or xorg
[09:20] <ajmitch> _MMA_: a brief minute
[09:20] <ajmitch> maybe 45 seconds
[09:25] <_MMA_> ajmitch: Well this wont be short. Il wait. :)
[09:25] <_MMA_> *ill
[09:25] <ajmitch> heh
[09:25] <ajmitch> UVF stuff?
[09:25] <ajmitch> what?
[09:25] <_MMA_> Yes.
[09:25] <ajmitch> give me some clue at least
[09:25] <_MMA_> ajmitch: crimsun was handling the packaging of Ardour2 for Ubuntu Studio. I think he ran out of time/resources so now TheMuso is working on it.
[09:26] <ajmitch> filed relevant bugs?
[09:26] <_MMA_> On a new package?
[09:26] <ajmitch> if it's a new package, file a uvf bug mentioning that if you really really want it in
[09:26] <ajmitch> & I guess we'd consider it
[09:26] <crimsun> to clarify, it's not going to be a new package, but an UVFe req is necessary to sync ardour from Debian experimental.
[09:27] <ajmitch> crimsun: ok, thanks for clarifying
[09:27] <_MMA_> Well here's what I know:
[09:27] <_MMA_> TheMuso was told that we need a changelog from the Ardour guys (not the Debian one) but the current Ardour package (.99.3) doesnt have one either.
[09:27] <_MMA_> So we're really not doing anything outside of what has been done already.
[09:27] <_MMA_> Now this is a whole new source package. Ardour2 is almost a complete code rewrite and will install alongside Ardour .99.3
[09:27] <_MMA_> They have no changelog in either of their source packages. So do we really need it?
[09:27] <ajmitch> more useless upstreams
[09:28] <crimsun> _MMA_: Ardour2 won't install alongside if we use Debian experimental's source package. It replaces the existing 0.99.3.
[09:28] <_MMA_> No. I dont want to do that at all.
[09:28] <crimsun> err, are you willing to carry the delta, then?
[09:28] <_MMA_> They should be kept seperate.
[09:28] <ajmitch> then you'll need a new package, and lots more work
[09:28] <gnomefreak> is there docs on how to set up a repo?
[09:29] <ajmitch> since you'll have to make them install in parallel in the packaging
[09:29] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: apt-ftparchive, or use something like falcon by Seveas 
[09:29] <_MMA_> ajmitch: Im missing why we need to have anything to do with .99? Its should be treated as its own app.
[09:29] <Seveas> falcon has docs :)
[09:29] <gnomefreak> Seveas: where? i looked in ubotu he didnt have any
[09:30] <Seveas> in the package
[09:30] <ajmitch> _MMA_: and I'm saying that you'll have to modify whatever ardour2 package you have to make it play nice
[09:30] <crimsun> _MMA_: so you feel that creating an extra delta over and beyond the existing Debian experimental source package is 1) necessary; 2) maintainable?
[09:30] <gnomefreak> Seveas: ok ty 
[09:31] <_MMA_> crimsun: Yes. Thats Ardour's line from what I can tell.
[09:31] <_MMA_> I think Debian should change to work along side each other.
[09:31] <crimsun> _MMA_: ok. Realize that this creates a maintenance burden for us, however.
[09:31] <_MMA_> las said (maybe) 10% of the code is the same.
[09:31] <ajmitch> getting debian to change things this close to release may be a bit hopeful
[09:32] <_MMA_> ajmitch: Oh sure. I know.
[09:32] <ajmitch> you have a few days at most to get these changes done
[09:33] <ajmitch> and then you have to make a convincing case for having a new package
[09:33] <ajmitch> crimsun: what are your thoughts on having it as a new package? unneeded?
[09:34] <crimsun> ajmitch: if upstream wants them parallel-installable, we should strongly consider that
[09:34] <crimsun> Luke and I will work on getting that done within the next day
[09:35] <ajmitch> you'll have to convince ubuntu-archive that it's a new source package split/renamed from an old one
[09:36] <crimsun> right.
[09:36] <_MMA_> In the end, I didnt get my actual question answered. :)
[09:37] <crimsun> In this case, I'd rather Debian have made an ardour2, but I can certainly understand why Free would have wanted beta12 in experimental as 'ardour' instead of 'ardour2'
[09:37] <crimsun> (skips the NEW, etc., given the proximity to release)
[09:37] <crimsun> (not saying I agree with that approach, but that's the state)
[09:38] <_MMA_> The issues come in with older Ardour sessions.
[09:38] <_MMA_> And people need ardour 1 for existing sessions.
[09:39] <crimsun> right, I'm not keen on splitting with upstream upstream over backward compat
[09:39] <crimsun> in any case, I'll look at the bzr side so we can get this resolved
[09:39] <_MMA_> Ok. What about the changelog issue?
[09:40] <_MMA_> las said he could work one up from the betas.
[09:40] <_MMA_> I asked for one from 10 on.
[09:40] <_MMA_> Beta 10 that is.
[09:41] <crimsun> we'll be going the feature freeze exception route [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-c9d177822a71b90ec5fb703ed0d0f30eeb8fc1db ] 
[09:41] <crimsun> i.e., skip the changelog issue
[09:42] <_MMA_> ok.
[09:51] <gnomefreak> Seveas: you dont have feisty packages yet?
[09:51] <Seveas> no
[09:52] <gnomefreak> k
[10:13] <ScottK> bddebian: It's been 'a couple of hours' and AFAICT no one jumped on my patch.  Are you available? - [13:54]  <ScottK> If there is anyone available from U-U-S, I just uploaded fixes for Bug #102470 and Bug #102391.  I uploaded the patch to 102470 since that was the more significant bug.
[10:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script fails to stop clamsmtp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[10:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 102391 in clamsmtp "clamsmtp: config files uses obsolete scanheader option" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102391
[10:16] <geser> ScottK: I will try to look at it when I back home
[10:16] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[10:17] <ScottK> I'll be here for roughly the next hour and a half and then offline for several hours.  If anything comes up, just mention it and I'll read the scrollback.
[10:22] <crimsun> ScottK: / geser: I'll look at 'em in 5 mins
[10:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:23] <crimsun> goodness, my debian-x inbox has ~400 spam emails
[10:24] <sacater> anyone here know how to disable framebuffer?
[10:24] <fdoving> can't you do that with a bootparameter to the kernel?
[10:25] <fdoving> nofb or something? 
[10:25] <PF-Away> nofb
[10:25] <fdoving> :)
[10:25] <PF-Away> ;P
[10:33] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:11] <crimsun> ScottK: is there any additional info on why the pid file is not created successfully [for #102470] ?
[11:14] <ScottK> crimsun: No.  It seems to work just fine without it, so I didn't investigate further.
[11:14] <ScottK> crimsun: I have both Edgy and Feisty boxes using clamsmtp and none of them have a PID file for it.
[11:17] <ScottK> crimsun: I just installed clamsmtp on my one remaining Dapper box and the PID file does get created there.
[11:18] <crimsun> does the dapper version pass -m to start-stop-daemon?
[11:19] <ScottK> crimsun: No.  The call to start-stop-daemon is the same as in Feisty.
[11:25] <crimsun> hmm.
[11:25] <crimsun> I do not like that unchecked path for dirname(1)
[11:26] <crimsun> unchecked search path, even
[11:26] <crimsun> this is reminiscent of the issue in oprofile (fixed in Dapper, CVE-2006-0576)
[11:27] <crimsun> Debian 352910
[11:27] <ubotu> Debian bug 352910 in oprofile "CVE-2006-0576: Untrusted search path vulnerability in opcontrol in OProfile" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/352910
[11:33] <ScottK> Well I just made the init make a PID file.  Let me see if I can figure out what I did...
[11:35] <crimsun> I'm not convinced -m is the right approach given the big warnings in start-stop-daemon(8)
[11:35] <crimsun> but I do know that that unchecked search path to dirname(1) should be tweaked, at least
[11:36] <ScottK> OK.  I am open to suggestions on what I should do on that?
[11:36] <crimsun> actually, it's a red herring
[11:37] <crimsun> the darned thing isn't even used
[11:37] <crimsun> why do people write initscripts with this crack in them?!
[11:37] <ajmitch> mm, herrings
[11:37] <bddebian> hehe
[11:42] <Fujitsu> When is Adri^2000 normally around?
[11:42] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: He posted in devel not long ago.
[11:43] <ajmitch> where 'not long' = 5 min
[11:43] <Fujitsu> That's probably why I haven't seen it yet.
[11:48] <ScottK> crimsun: Is the right answer on this bug to figure out why pidfile creation fails and fix that?
[11:48] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Are you working on bug #81884?
[11:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 81884 in slune "[apport]  slune crashed with  SyntaxError in sound() [slune and/or python 2.5] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81884
[11:48] <geser> TomaszD: uploaded gnomad2
[11:50] <Adri2000> Fujitsu: yep, I will do it soon
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Great. Just checking, as it's gained a few dupes recently.
[11:51] <geser> TomaszD: np
[11:52] <TomaszD> :] 
[12:02] <Fujitsu> Is there a way I can make gdb vaguely useful when debugging something which crashes in an inline function?
[12:04] <crimsun> ScottK: yes; the debdiff just masks it
[12:05] <crimsun> ScottK: (particularly since it "works" in 6.06)
[12:06] <ScottK> crimsun: OK.  I'll work on trying to figure that out.  Any hints on what documentation to read to understand how PID files are supposed to be created would REALLY be appreciated.