[12:28] <gnomefreak> i didnt think windows version and ubuntus version would be the same (thtem) but i asked for screenshots of what he means
[12:29] <gnomefreak> theme even
[12:32] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[12:33] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 16:00: Technical Board
[12:33] <gnomefreak> oh boy thats early
[12:40] <asac> ??
[12:41] <gnomefreak> the CC meeting is early
[12:41] <gnomefreak> 7am here
[12:41] <asac> ah
[12:41] <asac> oh
[12:41] <asac> probably you should just skip it :)
[12:41] <gnomefreak> its still building im taking that as a good sign
[12:41] <gnomefreak> i might have to :)
[12:51] <asac> yeah ... good sign i guess
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> so...many bug reports...
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> 763 in Fx alone
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> time to close old ones
[01:27] <Admiral_Chicago> someone want to look at Bug #51756
[01:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 51756 in firefox "firefox puts trademark HTML entity into job name when printing; causes Cups IPP printers to fail" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51756
[01:31] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: look how many  of those are crashes
[01:32] <Admiral_Chicago> what do you mean/
[01:33] <asac> 464
[01:33] <asac> when searching for "crash"
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> no i'm closing old bugs that didn't get the proper information
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> Bug #47571
[01:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 47571 in firefox "Firefox URL-completion prevents URLs from being entered" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47571
[01:41] <Admiral_Chicago> for example
[01:45] <asac> you tried to reproduce?
[01:46] <asac> "Once the initial 'w' is entered, further characters may be accepted only by clicking the mouse on the text entry before typing each character, until www.a has been entered, disambiguating the new URL from existing history."
[01:46] <asac> i cannot parse this
[01:46] <asac> but i guess i am too tired :)
[01:47] <asac> isn't it a contradiction?
[01:47] <Admiral_Chicago> no, its not a bug.
[01:48] <asac> on the one hand you cannot enter further characters ... but only until www.a has been entered?
[01:48] <Admiral_Chicago> err. well its not a reproduceable bug on my end
[01:48] <asac> i don't understand that actual result
[01:48] <asac> i mean i understand
[01:48] <asac> you type 'w'
[01:48] <asac> then you cannot enter any further characters with keyboard
[01:49] <asac> ah ... ok ... i guess he means if you type fast enough :)
[01:49] <asac> i can test on breezy
[01:49] <Admiral_Chicago> right, that is what the report is but I can neither reproduce nor did we get more information
[01:50] <asac> hmm
[01:50] <asac> i cannot type so fast that no pop up appears
[01:51] <asac> it always appears
[01:51] <asac> and nothing is blocked
[01:51] <asac> so probably close it
[01:51] <asac> if breezy hasn't have it dapper probably will not as well
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> will do.
[01:55] <asac> http://librarian.launchpad.net/7122170/Screenshot-Firefox%20Preferences.png
[01:55] <asac> you see anything missing in that?
[01:55] <asac> Bug 81543
[01:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 81543 in firefox "Firefox child windows width too small (german version)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81543
[01:55] <asac> last comment
[01:55] <gnomefreak> let you know when it loads
[01:57] <gnomefreak> i think i can confirm that bug. but i cant test right now. but seems that when you open it its not long enough vertically sometimes wher eyou see system defaults there is more under it
[01:58] <gnomefreak> ask him to make it bigger vertically so we can see differnece. but iirc i have had this happen
[01:59] <gnomefreak> asac: you should see something under systemdefaults
[02:00] <gnomefreak> i have it opening good in feistys firefox
[02:00] <asac> ah right
[02:00] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm cant take screen shot
[02:00] <asac> no need
[02:00] <gnomefreak> but you know what your looking for?
[02:00] <asac> or maybe a good idea :)
[02:00] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[02:01] <asac> i don't know ... if i see more variants i might have a better initial idea :)
[02:01] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm ill try
[02:01] <gnomefreak> its always better to have more info than not enough
[02:01] <asac> its soo crazy
[02:01] <asac> there is some firewall/proxy out there
[02:01] <asac> that blocks firefox
[02:01] <asac> because we use feisty as user agent
[02:04] <gnomefreak> uploading screenshot to that bug report, with his there in screenshot so you can compare the 2 side by side.
[02:06] <gnomefreak> 2 different issues on this bug report but im betting same changes to fix both. maybe have it draw 1" all around larger?
[02:07] <asac> Bug 99759
[02:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 99759 in firefox "Malware in Firefox?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99759
[02:07] <gnomefreak> no such thing :)
[02:08] <gnomefreak> looking anyway
[02:08] <asac> thats the one i ment above
[02:08] <asac> there are more then one reports about that
[02:08] <asac> we are identified as ISTbar
[02:09] <gnomefreak> write it off as an extension issue but thats not firefox's fault
[02:09] <gnomefreak> we are?
[02:09] <asac> we keep it for now open to document this
[02:10] <asac> at least i think that is best.
[02:10] <gnomefreak> hes using an non official scanner/virus blocker and unofficial extenstions
[02:10] <asac> yeah ... but extensions don't matter
[02:10] <asac> anyway, not good if some software blocks us, but not anyone else
[02:11] <asac> so we have to fix this for real
[02:11] <asac> at least since there are now 3 reports bout that
[02:11] <asac> so the scanner is somehow commonly used
[02:11] <gnomefreak> i understand but where do we stop working around other apps faults? if its not ubuntus ff fault?
[02:11] <asac> we don't work around
[02:12] <asac> at least I don't expect us to
[02:12] <asac> anyway, we need to track this and see what company says
[02:12] <asac> reporter wanted to raise an issue with them
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ok i see
[02:12] <asac> otherwise keep it open and point new reports to that MASTER bug
[02:13] <gnomefreak> asac: mark it as master [@something] 
[02:14] <asac> no @ :)
[02:14] <asac> its not a crash
[02:14] <asac> however MASTER + good summary
[02:14] <asac> i will do that tomorrow
[02:14] <asac> second thing
[02:15] <asac> ok night ... have fun with ape
[02:15] <asac> :)
[02:18] <gnomefreak> night. will let you know if it built in morning
[02:55] <gnomefreak> !packaging
[02:55] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[05:51] <gnomefreak> asac: if this builds good than i will upload the packages to my site and i was thinking maybe get them in your repo so we can test it for feisty+1
[09:10] <hjmf> asac: bug 102202 Maybe related to upstream's mozilla bug 301270
[09:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 102202 in firefox "[feisty]  Firefox Crashed [@nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102202
[09:10] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 301270 in Editor "[@ nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301270
[09:44] <hjmf> ... also bug 99712 could be related to mozilla bug 161826 (check stacktrace at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=132070)
[09:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 99712 in firefox "[feisty]  Firefox Crashed [@ nsTextFrame::MeasureText] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99712
[09:44] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 161826 in Layout: Fonts and Text "nsTextFrame::MeasureText()'s fast text measuring codepath crashes on RISC machines" [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161826
[11:27] <asac> hjmf: first one looks equal ... I will take a closer look when I am here in a few minutes :)
[11:55] <asac> hjmf: bug 99712 ... we already have the patch in mozilla bug 161826
[11:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 99712 in firefox "[feisty]  Firefox Crashed [@ nsTextFrame::MeasureText] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99712
[11:55] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 161826 in Layout: Fonts and Text "nsTextFrame::MeasureText()'s fast text measuring codepath crashes on RISC machines" [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161826
[11:55] <asac> and our crash is on i386 ... which is not RISC
[11:58] <asac> anyway, trace looks quite similar which makes me think that maybe we get that crash because of that patch for RISC machines
[12:45] <asac> bug 29760
[12:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 29760 in flashplugin-nonfree "Sound does not work properly in Flash in firefox" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29760
[01:03] <asac> bug 102004
[01:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 102004 in firefox "[feisty]  firefox/epiphany do not browse" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102004
[01:05] <asac> bug 102195
[01:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 102195 in firefox "[edgy]  Firefox Crash -- libflashplayer.so" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102195
[01:08] <asac> hjmf: bug 102202 ... can you run gdb with coredump and see what value this->mEditor has?
[01:08] <ubotu> Malone bug 102202 in firefox "[feisty]  Firefox Crashed [@nsTextControlFrame::SetValue] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102202
[01:08] <asac> e.g. (gdb) up 4
[01:08] <asac> (gdb) p this->mEditor
[01:17] <hjmf> ok, just a second
[01:20] <hjmf> (gdb) p this->mEditor
[01:20] <hjmf> $1 = {<nsCOMPtr_base> = {mRawPtr = 0x0}, <No data fields>}
[01:20] <hjmf> asac: ^
[01:22] <asac> ok so its 0x0
[01:22] <asac> thats ok :)
[01:22] <asac> at least better then some random address
[01:22] <asac> 0x0 crashes are safe, while dereferencing random addresses are easy to exploit security issues
[01:23] <hjmf> ah :)
[01:23] <asac> easy is of course relative :)
[01:28] <hjmf> asac what means '--disable-debug' on CONFIGURE_OPTIONS at mozilla-thunderbird debian/rules ?
[01:30] <hjmf> ... and doesn't know why ... > I followed your indications
[01:30] <asac> --disable-debug is just that you don't want debug messages on the console
[01:30] <hjmf> OK
[01:30] <asac> it implies -g afaik
[01:31] <asac> but since we set it explicitly it doesn't matter
[01:31] <asac> are your packages small?
[01:31] <asac> or just yield the "no debugging symbols" messages?
[01:31] <hjmf> with --enable-debug I get a significant bigger package
[01:31] <hjmf> both
[01:31] <asac> sizes?
[01:32] <asac> yeah... there is lots of debug output code which will not be removed during build ... so bigger with --enable-debug is still normal
[01:32] <hjmf> yep
[01:33] <hjmf> but size is still (with --disable-debug)  338708 bytes
[01:33] <hjmf> talking about dbgsym package
[01:33] <asac> so what does build-opt line say in your rules?
[01:34] <asac> do you see -g during compile`
[01:34] <asac> ?
[01:34] <hjmf> yes, I placed before -O2
[01:34] <hjmf> and I saw it :)
[01:34] <asac> you sure your ddeb packages have been regenerated?
[01:35] <asac> what size does debian/tmp have?
[01:35] <asac> after build
[01:35] <asac> e.g. with du -Hs debian/tmp
[01:36] <hjmf> 29M
[01:36] <hjmf> 31M with -Hs option :)
[01:37] <hjmf> I have to go for lunch (I'll be back in an hour or so) :)
[01:37] <asac> hmm
[01:37] <asac> yewah
[01:46] <asac> hjmf: i am doing a final spin ... if that gives me good dbgsym i will just upload :)
[01:46] <asac> for tbird i mean ;)
[01:52] <gnomefreak> asac: dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload
[01:52] <gnomefreak> dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot open upload file ../iceape_1.1.1-0ubuntu1.tar.gz for reading: No such file or directory
[01:52] <asac> hjmf: you already have --disable-strip as configure option?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> where the hell is it trying to upload to?
[01:52] <asac> gnomefreak: you did not generate the source
[01:52] <asac> you missed one instruction ;)
[01:53] <asac> anyway, to test, you can just build with -b
[01:53] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
[01:53] <gnomefreak> no it built last night. this is with the ubuntu changes
[01:53] <asac> however, i guess your .deb files have been generated
[01:53] <asac> yes
[01:53] <gnomefreak> yep they have
[01:53] <asac> can't tell whats going on
[01:53] <asac> i guess you have not generated orig.tar.gz
[01:53] <asac> e.g. missed some instructions
[01:53] <asac> ;)
[01:55] <gnomefreak> maybe i should have used the fakeroot debian/rules command after my changes
[01:56] <asac> no ... you missed the fakeroot ./debian/rules source
[01:56] <asac> in the beginning
[01:56] <asac> e.g. after checking out debian/ in seamonkey dir
[01:56] <asac> that will build you the orig.tar.gz
[01:56] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:57] <asac> anyway, for me iceape works well
[01:57] <asac> :)
[01:57] <asac> i will sync the svn dir to bzr
[01:58] <asac> e.g. under mozillateam umbrella
[01:58] <asac> so we can work on ubuntu-branding
[02:03] <asac> gnomefreak: i checked in our changes to debian svn :)
[02:03] <asac> hope mike doesn't kill me :)
[02:06] <asac> ok ... upload tbird/ffox soon, then going to do bug-triage for the rest of the day :(
[02:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:06] <asac> mt-confirm is waiting for us
[02:06] <gnomefreak> tn and ff new version?
[02:07] <gnomefreak> tb*
[02:07] <asac> yeah ... last changes for feisty
[02:07] <gnomefreak> k
[02:07] <gnomefreak> just sneaking that in ;)
[02:07] <asac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5741
[02:08] <gnomefreak> asac: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us what do those flags do?
[02:08] <asac> man ?
[02:08] <asac> i build with -rfakeroot -b :)
[02:08] <asac> or if i do source only:
[02:08] <asac> -rfakeroot -sa -S
[02:09] <asac> (in case of new orig)
[02:09] <asac> or
[02:09] <asac> -rfakeroot -si -S
[02:09] <asac> (in case of existing orig)
[02:09] <asac> but to test -rfakeroot -b is best
[02:09] <asac> hjmf: look at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5741 ... do you have the first line in tbird changelog?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> ok ill move them and just rebuild source again.
[02:10] <asac> yeah ... svn is not fixed
[02:10] <asac> so you don't need to modify things
[02:11] <gnomefreak> k
[02:12] <gnomefreak> well the .debs are ready so i will throw them on my site and start testing them :)
[02:13] <asac> when testing, maybe set up a list where we need to do branding changes
[02:13] <asac> e.g. where is debian where ubuntu should be etc.
[02:13] <gnomefreak> what are we gonna call it. iceape == name we will use?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> asac: homepage and crap like that. that should be ubuntu not debian
[02:15] <asac> yeah ... the idea is to get a concrete list of "crap like this" :)
[02:15] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:23] <asac> gnomefreak: you have /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d directory on feisty?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> i think so give me a minute
[02:27] <gnomefreak> cat: /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d: Is a directory
[02:27] <asac> good
[02:27] <asac> ty
[02:27] <asac> i don't have it in chroot
[02:27] <gnomefreak> anytime
[02:31] <asac> bug 85242 illustrates what happens if we don't fix title :)
[02:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 85242 in firefox "Firefox crashes for no reason" [High,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85242
[02:31] <asac> new comment:
[02:31] <asac> firefox sometimes crashes for no apparent reason.
[02:31] <asac> It seems it happens when a lot of tabs are open, but I'm not sure.
[02:31] <asac> Attachment added: "_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.1000.crash"
[02:33] <asac> fixed
[02:34] <hjmf> trying with --disable-strip option, let's see :)
[02:34] <asac> yeah thats it
[02:35] <asac> because it strips symbols during build otherwise
[02:35] <hjmf> hopefully!
[02:35] <asac> we do this with dh_strip, which now creates ddeb packages
[02:35] <hjmf> :P
[02:35] <asac> definitly :)
[02:36] <hjmf> it's building right now. Let's see if I can play with some tb retraces this evening
[02:37] <asac> cool ;)
[02:38] <gnomefreak> hjmf: let me know if you get it working i have a few that i need to get done.
[02:38] <hjmf> k
[02:38] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:39] <gnomefreak> asac: i gave joejaxx the source built from fakeroot debian/rules command so i will see if it was me or not
[02:41] <gnomefreak> i could also use a few people to test this also incase i miss things ;)
[02:46] <asac> what was you? is iceape broken?
[02:46] <gnomefreak> seems fine
[02:46] <asac> i guess you can get people to test from forums :)
[02:47] <asac> you used latest svn?
[02:47] <asac> i tested here and for me it worked well
[02:47] <gnomefreak> most likely but i dont ever read the forums ;)
[02:47] <gnomefreak> asac: yesterdays svn
[02:47] <asac> k
[02:48] <asac> imo we need a forum peer in mozillateam
[02:48] <asac> might be handy to have someone who has a good touch with end-user community
[02:49] <gnomefreak> i agree.
[02:50] <gnomefreak> i will keep my eyes open i know a few forum admins
[03:10] <gnomefreak> ok added a topic to find forum users :)
[03:11] <gnomefreak> i thought someone on the team was a forum users.
[03:11] <asac> ok things are uploaded
[03:11] <asac> heading for late-lunch :)
[03:11] <asac> good
[03:12] <gnomefreak> have fun :)
[03:13] <asac> hjmf: in a few hours there should be dbgsym available from pittis repo, please confirm that they are fixes as well :)
[03:13] <gnomefreak> asac: tb?
[03:16] <hjmf> gnomefreak: yes :)
[03:17] <gnomefreak> cool
[03:17] <hjmf> asac: I'll look then. Mine stills building
[03:20] <gnomefreak> asac: im not far behind you ;)
[03:21] <gnomefreak> ok im out for a while, while this finishes uploading.
[03:39] <hjmf> asac, gnomefreak  built finished and now backtraces are OK :D
[03:39] <hjmf> gona play a little bit with it :)
[03:40] <hjmf> s/gona/I'm going to/
[03:45] <hjmf> example: Bug #98831
[03:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 98831 in mozilla-thunderbird "[feisty]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed [@nsLookAndFeel::InitColors]  " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98831
[03:45] <hjmf> :)
[03:45] <hjmf> more mt-confirm to look at :)
[03:46] <asac> oh no :)
[03:48] <asac> hjmf: backtraces fine ... good :)
[03:48] <joejaxx> well that was fun
[03:48] <joejaxx> i just changed the default theme in iceape :)
[03:50] <asac> to what?
[03:52] <asac> joejaxx: you had some special interest in iceape?
[03:52] <joejaxx> from classic to modern
[03:53] <joejaxx> asac: oh i am using it for the default browser in fluxbuntu
[03:53] <asac> hmm
[03:53] <asac> isn't the idea of fluxbuntu to be lightweight :) ?
[03:53] <joejaxx> yes
[03:53] <joejaxx> we are only using browser
[03:53] <asac> so why iceape then?
[03:54] <joejaxx> iceape uses less resources than firefox
[03:54] <asac> really?
[03:54] <asac> interesting
[03:54] <joejaxx> well browser by itself that is
[03:55] <asac> debian svn is now up-to-date-ready-to-build on ubuntu ... so you can produce your own sources from there
[03:55] <joejaxx> oh ok
[03:55] <asac> svn contains only debian directory
[03:55] <asac> inside that is README.source
[03:55] <asac> which contains instructinos on how to do it
[03:56] <asac> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mozilla/iceape/branches/experimental/debian/README.source?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[03:56] <joejaxx> ok thanks :)
[03:56] <asac> you have to replace svn uri by branches/experimental ... to get 1.1.1.
[03:56] <asac> e.g. in readme
[03:57] <hjmf> @schedule Madird
[03:58] <hjmf> @schedule Madrid
[03:58] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Madrid: Current meeting: Community Council | 03 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 20:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 22:00: Technical Board
[03:58] <hjmf> Out for a while (I'll be at the meeting)
[03:58] <joejaxx> ok
[04:22] <asac> hjmf: hey, i only see 151 mt-confirm in Needs Info :)
[04:22] <asac> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.tag=mt-confirm&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info
[04:23] <asac> and 13 in state Confirmed
[04:23] <asac> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.tag=mt-confirm&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info
[04:23] <asac> hjmf: sorry it was Admiral_Chicago who counted 240+
[04:36] <asac> gnomefreak: you have some cycles to retrace https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/85833/comments/9
[04:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 85833 in firefox "Firefox crashes with upload to a flash site" [High,Needs info] 
[04:36] <asac> ?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> ok ill get to it today i hope. i assigned it to me
[05:11] <gnomefreak> lunch first
[05:46] <gnomefreak> ok im back i think
[06:05] <gnomefreak> i hope ill be back in time for meeting. if not ill read logs.
[06:06] <gnomefreak> still have a few before i can get started :(
[06:06] <joejaxx> gnomefreak: it built
[06:06] <gnomefreak> good :)
[06:07] <gnomefreak> i uploaded mine
[06:07] <joejaxx> :)
[06:07] <joejaxx> :D
[06:07] <gnomefreak> i need to find testers that will test not just use
[06:17] <asac> yes
[06:18] <asac> damn bad feeling if you go through 80 mt-confirm bugs ... then see there are 60 more :)
[06:19] <gnomefreak> :) they are a pain to do
[06:19] <asac> yeah
[06:19] <asac> but there are lots of previously undisovered dupes
[06:19] <gnomefreak> true
[06:19] <asac> you can ;)
[06:20] <gnomefreak> too many bugs to remember all
[06:20] <asac> but please ask ubuntu-devel
[06:20] <gnomefreak> i was gonna read flacon docs first
[06:20] <asac> ah
[06:20] <asac> even better :)
[06:20] <gnomefreak> falcon*
[06:22] <asac> ok ... short break, then on for the last 58 not-yet processed mt-confirms :)
[06:22] <asac> hope i get through before meeting
[06:31] <asac> @time pacific
[06:31] <ubotu> Current time in Canada/Pacific: April 03 2007, 09:31:06 - Next meeting: Mozilla Team in 1 hour 28 minutes
[06:31] <asac> @schedule berlin
[06:31] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 03 Apr 20:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Apr 22:00: MOTU
[06:55] <Mirv> asac: have you btw given any thought about using the libenchant we discussed before?
[06:55] <Mirv> asac: it'd probably good to have it written down somewhere that hunspell is not the final answer to spellchecking, so that people would not think it's then done once and for all if the move to that is done :)
[06:56] <Mirv> (before = a month ago)
[07:00] <AlexLatchford> everyone ready?
[07:06] <AlexLatchford> wait, UTC not GMT
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> i gotta run and grab lunch
[07:32] <AlexLatchford> Can I get a ping when the meeting is about to start
[07:32] <AlexLatchford> workng on another workspace
[07:36] <asac> Mirv: can you add it to wiki?
[07:37] <asac> e.g. somewhere under MozillaTeam
[07:37] <asac> we should setup a page like goals for feisty+1
[07:38] <asac> there we could add this
[07:48] <gnomefreak> im not really here right now
[07:48] <Mirv> asac: ok, found a ToDo list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Roadmap and added there. now it's at least somewhere, written down.
[07:51] <fluxbunt1> !install
[07:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:57] <asac> Mirv: thanks :)
[08:01] <gnomefreak> i cant frigging see anything :(
[08:47] <AlexLatchford> asac: Any news on Feisty+1 naming?
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> good meeting everyone, not sure if its done
[08:51] <lotusleaf> hi Admiral_Chicago :)
[08:51] <lotusleaf> thanks again for graciously taking my question, I appreciate it.
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there lotusleaf. gotta run to class
[08:52] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: yeah we are thorugh :)
[08:52] <asac> have a nice day
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> you too
[08:55] <asac> day is over here :)
[08:57] <asac> lotusleaf: you know if seamonkey gets extension manager soon?
[08:58] <asac> is there trunk development going on?
[08:59] <lotusleaf> asac, I'm not very familiar with the ins and outs of seamonkey as I just started using it following my use of mozilla suite in Edgy, you might try the Seamonkey forums @ http://forums.mozillazine.org/
[08:59] <lotusleaf> of course seamonkey used to be testing and what not of the suite but now the whole suite has moved to "Seamonkey" as far as I know
[08:59] <asac> just was a bit curoius :)
[08:59] <asac> lotusleaf: yes thats the case
[08:59] <asac> its called seamonkey nowadays
[09:00] <lotusleaf> so Iceape is just a difference in icons/branding and such?
[09:00] <lotusleaf> like the iceweasel thing?
[09:00] <asac> yes ... and sources have been stripped by binary blobs (which are not used for linux9
[09:00] <lotusleaf> iceweasel / firefox differences
[09:01] <asac> yes
[09:01] <lotusleaf> ah
[09:01] <asac> iceape, icedove, iceweasel
[09:01] <asac> seamonkey, thunderbird, firefox
[09:01] <asac> also the start page has been beautified
[09:02] <lotusleaf> well I can't offer much by way of insight into Seamonkey development (a point of which you've no doubt already surmised) but I will be happy to do any Iceape/Seamonkey/Firefox testing for you guys in the future, I was provided by AlexLatchford with your guys' links to lp/u wiki etc.
[09:02] <asac> about:
[09:02] <asac> cool :)
[09:03] <asac> any help is welcome
[09:03] <asac> if you want to help a bit in bug triaging you can go to
[09:03] <lotusleaf> so Iceape would be the likely one to be included should it be in Feisty+1 ?
[09:03] <lotusleaf> what a bizarre name
[09:03] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[09:04] <asac> mt-needtester and mt-needtestcase are for you i guess :)
[09:04] <lotusleaf> thx I'll bookmark that and test it when time allows :)
[09:04] <asac> might be tricky and you might not find a way to reproduce a lot
[09:04] <asac> but anyone taking a look helps a lot
[09:04] <lotusleaf> all part of the challenge ;)
[09:04] <lotusleaf> I've done beta testing for years
[09:04] <asac> yes great.
[09:05] <lotusleaf> 90% of it is snapping at fruit out of reach
[09:05] <lotusleaf> but that 10% gets the eventual bugs
[09:05] <asac> yeah ;)
[09:34] <gnomefreak> asac: the versioning 1.1.1-3 keep the 3 in the version or drop it?
[09:34] <gnomefreak> asac: i was thinking 1.1.1-0build-1
[09:34] <gnomefreak> oops
[09:34] <gnomefreak> 1.1.1-0build1
[09:34] <asac> hmm
[09:34] <asac> no
[09:35] <asac> the 3 should be there
[09:35] <gnomefreak> 1.1.1-3-0build1?
[09:35] <asac> name it 1.1.1-3mt0
[09:35] <gnomefreak> 3build1
[09:35] <gnomefreak> ok
[09:35] <asac> maybe a dot between 3 and mt
[09:35] <asac> 1.1.1-3.mt0
[09:35] <asac> its you to decide
[09:35] <asac> :)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> ok dot works for me
[09:41] <gnomefreak> !seveas
[09:41] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:43] <gnomefreak> !info apt-ftparchive
[09:43] <ubotu> Package apt-ftparchive does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[09:43] <gnomefreak> !info apt-ftparchive feisty
[09:43] <ubotu> Package apt-ftparchive does not exist in feisty
[09:54] <gnomefreak> this looks way too hard to do :(
[09:54] <asac> ?
[09:54] <asac> a full archive is none-sense
[09:54] <asac> you need something small
[09:54] <gnomefreak> yeah i know
[09:54] <asac> :)
[09:54] <asac> dpkg-scanpackages is your friend :)
[09:55] <asac> guess will surrender soon
[09:55] <asac> and upgrade to feisty tomorrow
[10:00] <gnomefreak> hmmmm'
[10:06] <gnomefreak> would a local repo be only able to be used locally?
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i think its implied in the name
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> but you can host a repo on LP i think somewhere
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure how, blah
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> naptime
[10:11] <gnomefreak> i know canonical employees get thier own repo hosted on LP
[10:16] <gnomefreak> ok i think im gonna leave it as a you go to link and download it yourself for a while. seems i can set up a local repo without an issue but that doesnt do anything for anyone else
[10:21] <gnomefreak> asac: does this look right? http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/apt-gettable/apt-gettable/most-primitive.html
[10:30] <asac> yes
[10:31] <gnomefreak> ok i think i understand it
[10:32] <gnomefreak> ill work on it tomorrow most likely.
[10:33] <gnomefreak> im building new iceape atm for wide useage
[10:38] <asac> good
[10:38] <asac> feisty?
[10:38] <asac> i think so
[10:41] <gnomefreak> yeah
[10:42] <asac> tomorrow is another day ... i am done for today
[10:42] <asac> night
[10:42] <gnomefreak> have a good night
[10:42] <asac> you too ... later
[11:04] <gnomefreak> i think i did it :)
[11:12] <gnomefreak> ok i got firefox3 in repo atm while the rebuild of iceape is going :)
[11:13] <gnomefreak> i will add repo to topic once i get everything in there.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> poningru: btw it will be named iceape for now (seamonkey) until we decide if we want official-branding
[11:15] <poningru> :(
[11:15] <poningru> why?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> because we cant use seamonkey for testing since its not in ubuntu repos yet
[11:16] <gnomefreak> part of the agreement AFAIK
[11:16] <gnomefreak> iceape == seamonkey with differnet icons
[11:16] <gnomefreak> but it is build from seamonkey source
[11:16] <poningru> hold on dude
[11:20] <gnomefreak> we will decide in the next few months what we are goin gto call it. but either way its the same package different name/icons
[11:21] <poningru> http://home.kairo.at/blog/2007-03/seamonkey_marketing
[11:22] <poningru> so there you go
[11:22] <poningru> you can use the branding
[11:22] <poningru> I want to ensure that those trademarks do not mean that anything in our source base will not be covered by the MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-license in the future.
[11:22] <poningru> We're currently in the process of finishing up a trademark policy for using our marks, very much modeled after the ubuntu one.
[11:23] <gnomefreak> poningru: can use for now what happens after they send the trademark in we might have to change. its easier to keep it one name
[11:23] <gnomefreak> from the boss. name it iceape
[11:24] <poningru> ...
[11:24] <poningru> what are you talking about????
[11:25] <gnomefreak> gave a fast rundown of why. and i dont remember anything but general reasoning. (hint firefox3.0 is not named firefox due to mozilla)
[11:25] <poningru> right
[11:25] <poningru> because firefox is fully copyrighted logo
[11:25] <gnomefreak> poningru: the mozilla-maintainer == our boss when it comes to packaging
[11:25] <poningru> asac: ping
[11:25] <gnomefreak> hes gone for night
[11:25] <poningru> damn it dude dont feed fire
[11:25] <poningru> asac^^
[11:26] <gnomefreak> poningru: its staying as is for now. if you want to use seamonkey build it
[11:26] <poningru> right I know
[11:26] <poningru> but I wanna discuss this with asac
[11:26] <gnomefreak> only things that changed == patches, icons, name/branding)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> poningru: seeing as it "might" go into feisty+1 you have plenty of time