[03:20] <Xenocide> majoridiot, do you use mplayer or xine
[03:21] <majoridiot> mplayer
[03:22] <Xenocide> hm, im having a problem where when i use mplayer, i have 0 volume
[03:23] <majoridiot> when launched by itself, from mythvideo or both?
[03:26] <Xenocide> mythvideo
[03:26] <Xenocide> have not tried anything else
[03:27] <majoridiot> regular desktop install or minimal?
[03:27] <Xenocide> minimal
[03:27] <Xenocide> using openbox
[03:27] <majoridiot> ah
[03:27] <majoridiot> ok
[03:27] <majoridiot> what command line are you launching with in mythvideo?
[03:27] <Xenocide> worked fine for a bit
[03:27] <Xenocide> not sure
[03:27] <Xenocide> default
[03:27] <Xenocide> im not sure if something was hit or what
[03:28] <majoridiot> inadvertently muted?
[03:29] <Xenocide> possibly
[03:35] <billbrasky> f9 or l  is mute i believe
[03:39] <billbrasky> hey major...  i was gonna try another myth install attempt with edgy - at the point where you configure sql, and have to log out & log back in - do you do any of that with the mythtv user (created by the mythtv package)
[03:39] <billbrasky> or with your regular ID created during ubuntu install?
[03:40] <majoridiot> the is not a mythtv "user" created, per se.
[03:40] <majoridiot> ALWAYS use your main user.
[03:40] <majoridiot> that is where people get screwed up- thinking the mythtv user needs to be used.
[03:41] <billbrasky> k
[03:41] <billbrasky> i wasn't using it
[03:41] <billbrasky> but i saw another walk-thru, on another page (by superm1 i believe)
[03:41] <majoridiot> so as soon as the synaptic package manager closes...
[03:41] <billbrasky> saying to login as the mythtv user
[03:41] <majoridiot> to the user add command
[03:41] <majoridiot> log out, back in and continue
[03:41] <billbrasky> adding your main ID to the mythtv group, i believe...
[03:41] <billbrasky> yea
[03:42] <majoridiot> in fact...
[03:42] <billbrasky> i need to sort out if i'm doing some part of that wrong
[03:42] <majoridiot> i'm at that stage atm on a feisty install...
[03:42] <billbrasky> ah
[03:42] <billbrasky> i just recreated a vm for me to sort out what i'm doing wrong
[03:42] <billbrasky> i'll figure it out sooner or later :)
[03:43] <majoridiot> (and it just worked like a charm)
[03:44] <majoridiot> well the first thing to know is that if you bork an instal once, you pretty much have to remove EVERY SINGLE trace of mythtv and mysql permanently
[03:46] <billbrasky> yea
[03:46] <billbrasky> i started from scratch on a vm and still ran into the database permissions issues like i did on a physical box
[03:46] <majoridiot> ok...
[03:47] <majoridiot> in a nutshell...
[03:47] <majoridiot> install the myth setup you desire
[03:47] <majoridiot> sudo usermod -a -G mythtv yourusername
[03:47] <majoridiot> logout
[03:47] <majoridiot> log back in as yourusername
[03:47] <majoridiot> mythtv-setup
[03:48] <billbrasky> yea
[03:49] <billbrasky> that's about where i get the rolling terminal screen with errors :-/
[03:49] <billbrasky> i think the setup window does pop up
[03:49] <billbrasky> but i usually kill it before it does
[03:49] <billbrasky> cuz obviously something gets borked
[03:49] <majoridiot> is this from a FRESH format... after the borked attempt?
[03:50] <billbrasky> that was last night on a freshly installed vm
[03:50] <majoridiot> what mythtv packages are you installing?
[03:50] <billbrasky> just as the guide says
[03:51] <billbrasky> mythtv-frontend,-backend, database mysql-server, and all of the dependencies
[03:51] <billbrasky> i think i can try it again (gotta walk out the door in 2 minutes tho)
[03:51] <majoridiot> try the feisty install
[03:52] <majoridiot> working AWESOMELY
[03:52] <billbrasky> yea?
[03:52] <majoridiot> yes
[03:53] <majoridiot> what tuner are you using?
[03:53] <billbrasky> well, on the one box i'm gonna use a pvr500
[03:53] <majoridiot> :)
[03:53] <billbrasky> on the other i'm gonna try firewire
[03:53] <majoridiot> give feisty a shot
[03:53] <majoridiot> the 500 should work right outta the box
[03:53] <billbrasky> shit, heading out the door...   type atcha later
[03:53] <majoridiot> k
[06:23] <majoridiot> hm. quiet night.
[06:27] <billbrasky> i just did mythtv install in that vm, seemed to go ok this time
[06:27] <billbrasky> :shrug:
[06:27] <billbrasky> i'm gonna download feisty and give it a try anyways
[06:27] <billbrasky> i'll take your word that it's stable
[06:27] <billbrasky> :)
[06:28] <majoridiot> :)
[06:28] <majoridiot> sure... so you can blame the idiot.
[06:29] <superm1> good evenin kids
[06:29] <majoridiot> 'lo superm1
[06:29] <billbrasky> heya
[06:29] <superm1> majoridiot, did you straighten out your issues with ubiquity making a mess of paritions?
[06:29] <majoridiot> i was just calling it quits for guidework for the day.
[06:29] <superm1> ah
[06:29] <billbrasky> what are you guys using for remotes?
[06:29] <superm1> me, mceusb2 and mceusb
[06:29] <majoridiot> no... it will NOT manually partition a single, pre-installed srive.
[06:30] <majoridiot> mceusb and the PVR-150 blaster pack
[06:30] <majoridiot> (i2c remote)
[06:30] <billbrasky> either of the mce remotes work better than one another?
[06:30] <superm1> mceusb2 >>>>> mceusb
[06:30] <billbrasky> i was using the mceusb2 receiver with a harmony
[06:30] <superm1> ah
[06:30] <billbrasky> but i gotta get a remote for this other setup i think
[06:31] <billbrasky> my parents don't think the ati remote wonder is too intuitive
[06:31] <superm1> yea i wasnt a fan of it either
[06:31] <superm1> a roomate had one
[06:31] <billbrasky> i like that it's rf
[06:31] <billbrasky> and works fairly quick/smooth
[06:32] <billbrasky> i was hoping someone would have a way to simply map the MCE quick access buttons to myth (my pictures etc)
[06:32] <majoridiot> the mceusb2 is plenty responsive enough for me
[06:32] <billbrasky> might have been done already, i dunno
[06:33] <majoridiot> the key is to put the .lircrc in your home and make the lircrc in .mythtv a symlink to it... that seemed to speed the plow more than sticking lircrc directly in ,mythtv
[06:34] <billbrasky> i see
[06:34] <majoridiot> take the button name as defined in lircd.conf or reported buy irw and link it up to what you want it to do in the mythtv section of lircrc
[06:34] <superm1> majoridiot, was jetsradiem in this evenin?
[06:34] <majoridiot> i do not beleieve so, superm1.
[06:34] <majoridiot> if so, silent.
[06:34] <superm1> i touched bases earlier today with him
[06:34] <superm1> but still having lots of glade related issues
[06:34] <superm1> with ubiquity
[06:35] <majoridiot> a tough nut to crack, eh>
[06:35] <superm1> yes
[06:35] <superm1> well if he doesn't have it figured out in the next few weeks, i've only got roughly a month of school left
[06:35] <superm1> so i'll have free time evenings then
[06:36] <majoridiot> thaz all cool :)
[06:36] <majoridiot> made some nice guide improvements...
[06:37] <superm1> i'll have a look in a few min
[06:37] <majoridiot> feisty and backported (LOL) them to edgy as well
[06:38] <superm1> backported....
[06:38] <superm1> oh you mean the text
[06:38] <superm1> not the packages
[06:38] <superm1> lol
[06:38] <majoridiot> i think i may just reformat the backend tomorrow night and put in a feisty backend for permanent.
[06:38] <majoridiot> hehe... yeah, the text
[06:38] <superm1> i moved my edgy backend to feisty
[06:38] <majoridiot> didn't have time to do the packages... LOL
[06:38] <superm1> still have a dapper one chugging along though :)
[06:38] <majoridiot> :)
[06:39] <majoridiot> been wanting to drop the db and start from scratch for awhile...
[06:39] <superm1> i think i might reformat the feisty one though.  its been oopsing since i put edgy 64 in
[06:39] <superm1> i might just put 32
[06:39] <majoridiot> and i'm liking the feisty packages.
[06:39] <superm1> and see if its more stable
[06:39] <majoridiot> plus, with feisty i can WOL that board, since the driver is fixed.
[06:39] <superm1> ah nice
[06:40] <majoridiot> i quit running 64 altogether
[06:40] <majoridiot> about four or five months ago.  too unstable for me.
[06:40] <superm1> yea i hope thats all it is, this is all brand new hardware from newegg
[06:40] <superm1> since sept
[06:41] <superm1> so i dont want to have to deal with rma again
[06:42] <superm1> well i wish there was a way to easily reinstall remotely
[06:42] <superm1> because i dont have a head hooked up to it
[06:42] <superm1> or a keyboard to use with it
[06:42] <majoridiot> tat sucks
[06:43] <majoridiot> i picked up a little usb micro-keyboard for my backend for $16
[06:43] <majoridiot> tucks away nicely.
[06:43] <majoridiot> still have to lug out a monitor, tho.
[06:43] <superm1> well once its up and running i dont have a need for one.  i'll probably wait until i move in a month, and then just move my lcd out there for a day
[06:44] <superm1> to get it up and redone
[06:45] <majoridiot> have you had any luck making multiple mythtv sources from one zap2it account and attaching them to inividual cards?
[06:46] <majoridiot> e.g. 2-99 tune to pvr150 by default, 105-+ to firewire?
[06:46] <superm1> no i haven't. i've just always made sources for each card
[06:46] <superm1> for a short period of time, i had 3 zap2it accounts since i had so many sources
[06:46] <superm1> and they overlapped zip codes
[06:46] <majoridiot> hehe
[06:47] <majoridiot> so seperate sources from seperate accounts?
[06:47] <superm1> yes
[06:47] <superm1> haha
[06:47] <superm1> i can see that
[06:48] <majoridiot> one would think that if they all shared the same account...
[06:48] <majoridiot> but each had different channels, then it should work.
[06:48] <majoridiot> but it gets really pissed if i try that.
[06:48] <majoridiot> LOL
[06:49] <majoridiot> do you think zap2it will ever become a pay service?
[06:50] <superm1> they considered it last year
[06:50] <superm1> they offered a pay verison
[06:50] <superm1> with additional data and such
[06:51] <majoridiot> additional data?
[06:51] <superm1> yes
[06:51] <superm1> like more detailed data
[06:51] <superm1> that went further out
[06:51] <superm1> it was like 15 bucks for 6 months
[06:52] <superm1> but they decided against it after their test phase
[06:52] <majoridiot> not enough interest?
[06:52] <superm1> excatly
[06:52] <majoridiot> too expensive.
[06:53] <majoridiot> 19.95 a year would be pushing it.
[06:54] <superm1> well i think thats what the price point was
[06:54] <superm1> i dont remember
[06:54] <superm1> it might have been cheaper
[06:54] <superm1> it was all discussed on the mailing list way back when
[06:55] <majoridiot> they just got bought
[06:55] <majoridiot> s'why i'm wondering.
[06:55] <superm1> oh no...
[06:55] <superm1> by who?
[06:55] <majoridiot> actually, not that bad
[06:55] <majoridiot> sec
[06:56] <majoridiot> sam zell
[06:56] <majoridiot> real estate mogul,  supposed to be a pretty upstanding guy.
[06:57] <superm1> he bought TMS?
[06:57] <majoridiot> selling the cubs. LOL
[06:57] <superm1> alone??
[06:57] <majoridiot> $13 billion
[06:57] <superm1> wow
[06:57] <majoridiot> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9293474
[06:58] <superm1> amazing
[06:58] <majoridiot> yeah
[06:58] <superm1> well from their perspective -
[06:58] <superm1> its better to do it this way
[06:58] <superm1> because previously all these projects scrapped their websites
[06:58] <superm1> and wasted bandwidth
[06:58] <majoridiot> great pr too
[06:59] <majoridiot> if need be, sell ad space on the zap2it pages.  no need to charge.
[06:59] <majoridiot> kinda flipped when i read that this morning.
[07:02] <superm1> well we'll have to see
[07:05] <superm1> k
[07:06] <majoridiot> family guy and cheerios... awhat better way to wind down?
[07:07] <superm1> well Heroes and cheerios
[07:07] <superm1> :)
[07:07] <majoridiot> i haven't checked that out yet.   figured i'd grab season one
[07:08] <superm1> oh you should for sure
[07:08] <superm1> def one of my favorite series yet
[07:10] <superm1> i look forward to catching up on the tv shows that i'm missing right now due to this overload of last minute school work
[07:10] <majoridiot> myth building you a nice baklog?
[07:12] <superm1> yes sir
[07:12] <superm1> i've never had this much back logged recordings
[07:12] <majoridiot> lol
[07:12] <superm1> its to the point where autoexpire might expire them before i watch some :)
[07:12] <majoridiot> do you commercial flag as you record?
[07:12] <superm1> yes
[07:12] <superm1> from one of the other backends on the network
[07:13] <superm1> my master backend could never keep up
[07:13] <majoridiot> do you find it less accurate?  as in more sensitive?
[07:13] <superm1> no not at all
[07:13] <majoridiot> i recently changed mine to flag as it records and it gets a lot of false flags.  running it after is dead-on.
[07:14] <superm1> oh thats really odd
[07:14] <majoridiot> hm.
[07:14] <superm1> i find it more inaccurate when that amd64 edgy box does the flagging though
[07:14] <superm1> rather than my 3rd backend
[07:14] <superm1> oddly enoug
[07:14] <majoridiot> hehe
[07:14] <majoridiot> myth has got the cutest lil' quirks...
[07:14] <majoridiot> LOL
[07:14] <superm1> yes it sure does
[07:15] <superm1> oh i came across something interesting today
[07:15] <superm1> dont have a link,
[07:15] <superm1> but 5C is being pulled from a lot of comcast markets
[07:16] <majoridiot> really?
[07:16] <majoridiot> why so?
[07:16] <superm1> because they were getting enough complaints i'd guess
[07:16] <majoridiot> sweet
[07:16] <superm1> this could really be the holy grail if other cable co's start to follow suit
[07:17] <majoridiot> afaik my insight has no 5C channels.
[07:17] <superm1> so lucky :)
[07:17] <superm1> this would make myth the universal holy grail country wide
[07:17] <majoridiot> indeed and agreed! :)
[07:17] <majoridiot> agreed again.
[07:17] <majoridiot> i freaked out a friend the other night...
[07:18] <majoridiot> ran 3 different X sessions on my main comp, with a mythfrontend in each...
[07:18] <majoridiot> one D
[07:18] <majoridiot> HD
[07:18] <superm1> wow
[07:18] <superm1> and it handled that?
[07:18] <majoridiot> and the other two sd
[07:18] <majoridiot> backend never got over .2 load
[07:18] <majoridiot> frontend just laughed.
[07:19] <majoridiot> he FREAKED.
[07:19] <superm1> just laughed?
[07:19] <majoridiot> couldn't believe it was that powerful and that free.
[07:19] <superm1> as in at how easy it was to do
[07:20] <majoridiot> swapped between processors... but never worse than 100% on one and 20-ish on another.
[07:20] <superm1> thats incredible
[07:20] <majoridiot> plenty of legroom left.
[07:20] <majoridiot> the video cards help a LOT, but the core duo 2 is a nice processor.
[07:20] <superm1> my desktop freaks at one HD show
[07:20] <superm1> oh a core 2 duo
[07:20] <majoridiot> i am impressed.  my first intel chip ever.
[07:21] <superm1> man i need to get me one of those :)
[07:21] <superm1> my comp arch prof talked about them too
[07:21] <superm1> and how many strides ahead they are
[07:21] <majoridiot> and dual 7600GTKO SLIs running the video, so that helps.
[07:21] <superm1> wow
[07:21] <superm1> that is a mighty bad ass frontened
[07:22] <superm1> s/frontened/frontend/
[07:22] <majoridiot> i am very impressed with it.  and i guess the one i got is known for great ovewrclocking.
[07:22] <majoridiot> LOL at fe/fe/fe
[07:22] <majoridiot> he was more impressed that the backend handled it so well
[07:22] <majoridiot> well, as am i.
[07:23] <majoridiot> it a great software package.
[07:23] <superm1> :)
[07:23] <superm1> well hopefully for feisty+1, mythbuntu will be much closer to ready
[07:23] <superm1> and user friendly
[07:23] <superm1> for non linux people to jump in
[07:23] <superm1> so your friend can set up his own box :)
[07:23] <majoridiot> looking forward to that. :)
[07:24] <majoridiot> i could see the wheels turning in his head LOL
[07:26] <superm1> okay i've just got a few more things to finish with this lab
[07:26] <superm1> and then back home and bed for me
[07:27] <superm1> much earlier then yesterdays freaking 4AM :)
[07:27] <majoridiot> i would say so
[07:27] <majoridiot> i'm out soon myself
[07:27] <superm1> okay you have a good night.  i'll take a look at the backported changes for edgy and see what i think :)
[07:28] <majoridiot> k.  ttyl
[07:28] <superm1> later
[07:58] <tgm4883> Where's the log file for the backend server?  I was watching a show being recorded and my backend server crashed
[08:16] <superm1> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:59] <superm1> mornin Daviey
[02:59] <superm1> long time no see
[02:59] <Daviey> superm1, grr!
[03:00] <Daviey> I had my laptop stolen
[03:00] <superm1> omg
[03:00] <superm1> seriously?
[03:00] <Daviey> yeah
[03:00] <superm1> wow so sorry dude
[03:00] <Daviey> luckily i had only *just* backed everything of value up
[03:00] <superm1> did u have anything personable on therer that you wouldnt want in someone else's hands?
[03:01] <Daviey> not really.... i suspect they wouldn't know how to mount a ext3 fs anyway
[03:01] <superm1> haha
[03:01] <Daviey> On that thought tho, i will be seriously looking at encrypting it
[03:01] <superm1> is insurance going to cover it or anything?
[03:01] <Daviey> oh yeah...
[03:02] <superm1> encrypting it is a lot of work from what i've looked
[03:02] <Daviey> in someways i'm happy...  I put a meaty scratch into the lid
[03:02] <superm1> i thought about it for mine too
[03:02] <superm1> a hard drive lock is probably a better bet
[03:02] <superm1> (at least my thinkpad supports a hard drive locking password)
[03:03] <Daviey> Well i have already purchased a new one - and the insurance will cover it all..  :)
[03:03] <superm1> the drive won't spin up until its entered - and it only works in computers supporting a hard drive lock)
[03:03] <superm1> wow nice
[03:03] <superm1> well i would have offered - i will have an IBM/lenovo discount avail to me within the next 1.5 months if this happened a little later
[03:03] <Daviey> technically there is an 'excess' to pay - but ebaying the MS licences will cover that ;)
[03:04] <superm1> hehe
[03:04] <superm1> well either that or attempting to get the cost of the license back from the manufacturer
[03:05] <superm1> i've read about both dell and lenovo doing it
[03:13] <superm1> Daviey, so once you get the new machine back, you going to join back with us in mythbuntu efforts?
[03:23] <Daviey> sorry, had a phone call - let me catch up
[03:23] <Daviey> yes! definitely!
[03:23] <Daviey> I'm really keen to get this out
[03:27] <superm1> well the way things are looking, its not going to be at feisty release
[03:27] <superm1> but it will have to be staggered
[03:27] <superm1> due to a variety of reasons
[03:27] <superm1> -jetsariem ran into lots of difficulties with ubiquity, and i can't work much with him on it
[03:28] <superm1> -imbrandon hasnt gotten me my acct setup properly
[03:28] <superm1> he "made" it and set up a server for us
[03:28] <superm1> but my ssh key isn't working and i have been bugging him about it daily
[03:28] <Daviey> hehe
[03:29] <Daviey> What domain are we getting?
[03:29] <superm1> well mythbuntu.org was just bought by someone else apparently right before imbrandon was about to get it
[03:29] <superm1> so i really don't know
[03:29] <superm1> i was figuring that part would be irrelevant until the website is prepared
[03:29] <Daviey> Have we made contact with the person who did?
[03:29] <superm1> we were going to use drupal for content management
[03:30] <Daviey> *cough* Joomla *cough*
[03:30] <superm1> no we haven't - i've considering phoning him.  he is registered as living in indiana, and google turns up a mobile phone number in addition to his business number
[03:30] <superm1> Joomla?
[03:31] <Daviey> http://www.joomla.org/
[03:32] <Daviey> superm1, pm
[03:35] <superm1> so Daviey what does Joomla have going for it above drupal?
[03:36] <Daviey> I threw together a quick joomla webpage and was quite impressed with it
[03:36] <Daviey> i haven't tried drupal so can't really comment
[03:36] <superm1> well i have seen several drupal sites, and saying sexy is an understatement
[03:36] <Daviey> mind you, isn't there a drupal theme for 'ubuntu' we could adapt?
[03:37] <superm1> fluxbuntu.org and ubuntu.com use it
[03:37] <Daviey> have a look at fluxbuntu ;)
[03:37] <superm1> this might be interesting, http://forum.joomla.org/index.php?topic=4364.msg35306
[03:38] <superm1> ha, Site off line
[03:39] <Daviey> sounds like a +1 for drupal then
[03:41] <superm1> well the thing that sticks out from that is that drupal is focused around community sites though
[03:41] <superm1> eg logins and such
[03:41] <superm1> which for our purposes, i don't know will be necessary
[03:42] <Daviey> tbh. we can experiment.  It's easy to install either.  We can just save the content
[03:42] <superm1> sounds like a good idea
[03:42] <superm1> once imbrandon gets me the shell account to this box eventually i'll get basic installs of both on and give you an acct to toy with too
[03:43] <Daviey> What needs doing with actual development?  Have i missed much?
[03:43] <superm1> not too much, a few minor bug fixes that had to get in, lots of work on the guide, and  i think that the live disk script is pretty much done at this point
[03:44] <superm1> i mean of course there will be other things that will still come up
[03:44] <superm1> but i think ubiquity is the big thing right now that needs work
[03:45] <Daviey> what needs doing?
[03:45] <superm1> some of the uglier things i was doing on the live disk script have been pulled upstream (like user-setup)
[03:45] <Daviey> with ubiquity?
[03:45] <superm1> well jetsariem has been running into a variety of glade issues
[03:45] <superm1> afaik
[03:45] <superm1> and after he sorts out the gui, all the debconf that happens behind the scenes needs to be setup
[03:46] <Daviey> any idea when he'll be back?
[03:46] <superm1> he is on mid afternoons and late evenings (central time)
[03:46] <superm1> from what i've noticed
[03:46] <Daviey> good stuff
[03:46] <superm1> i wish i had the time atm to help more with it too, but its the last month of school and you know how that goes
[03:47] <Daviey> :)
[03:48] <Daviey> get the data postponed :P
[03:48] <Daviey> s/data/date
[03:48] <superm1> haha
[03:48] <superm1> well i'm going to stick to the view though, that we are better just delaying our release rather than release something that would be a hack anyhow
[03:48] <superm1> no use rushing right now
[03:50] <Daviey> agreed
[03:50] <Daviey> If it doesn't 'just work' then it'll get a bashing
[03:50] <superm1> exactly
[03:51] <Daviey> furthermore, we need to advertise the fact that it is extremely simple to update when a new myth version is released
[03:51] <superm1> but in a month once school is wrapped up, i'll have much more time anyhow
[03:51] <superm1> well to do that, we need our own repository that supplements the ubuntu repos
[03:51] <superm1> i think
[03:52] <Daviey> thats what i thought initially - but weren't we going to try and squeeze everything into universe?
[03:52] <superm1> yes
[03:52] <superm1> but what if say 0.21 is released
[03:52] <superm1> right after for example feisty
[03:53] <superm1> and everyone wants to jump onto that boat
[03:53] <superm1> it will be at least 2-3 weeks until the package is made, packaged for feisty, and then backported
[03:53] <superm1> longer if there are any new dependencies introduced
[03:53] <Daviey> oic
[03:53] <superm1> but thats another detail that can be sorted out later
[03:56] <superm1> but if you want to help jetsadiem with ubiquity atm, i'm sure it would be greatly appreciated
[03:57] <superm1> i understand that he poked cjwatson and others in ubuntu-devel for some info
[03:57] <superm1> but i havent gotten a transcript of what he found out yet
[04:57] <tgm4883> Being that im not use to looking at logs, does mythtv log just errors, or lots of normal things too?
[10:02] <tgm4883> Does mythtv backend og normal activity or just problems?
[10:02] <tgm4883> log
[10:09] <tgm4883> majoridiot, does mythtv backend log normal activity?
[10:09] <tgm4883> or just problems
[10:10] <gardengnome> i suppose it's the normal log level.
[10:10] <majoridiot> both by default
[10:10] <tgm4883> ok
[10:10] <gardengnome> it should tell you the log level at the beginning of the log file
[10:10] <tgm4883> wanted to make sure that I wasn't having huge problems as my logs are quite large
[10:10] <majoridiot> you can set the log level
[10:11] <tgm4883> set it to errors only?
[10:11] <majoridiot> to log only error events, etc.
[10:11] <tgm4883> im trying to pin down my crash
[10:11] <majoridiot> i *think* it has a number of levels
[10:11] <majoridiot> xine?
[10:12] <tgm4883> was watching a show that was being recorded at the same time (through manage recordings or whatever, not live tv) and my backend crashec
[10:13] <majoridiot> k
[10:13] <majoridiot> should be one of the last events in the backend log then
[10:13] <majoridiot> if it was recorded, that is.
[10:15] <tgm4883> can i post where I think the problem is in the log file?
[10:15] <majoridiot> sure
[10:18] <tgm4883> this is a snip from my log where I believe it is, heres the link as it also is quite large.  I have many more of the mpeg2video lines before this and can post the whole log file if necessary.
[10:18] <tgm4883> http://linux.weilandhomes.com/mythtverror.txt
[10:20] <majoridiot> ok...
[10:20] <majoridiot> you were recording a program...
[10:21] <tgm4883_> my desktop just froze, when it rains, it pours
[10:21] <majoridiot> start over LOL...
[10:21] <majoridiot> ok...
[10:21] <tgm4883_> if you replied after I sent the link i didn't see it
[10:21] <majoridiot> you were recording a program...
[10:21] <tgm4883_> ok
[10:21] <majoridiot> and then tried to watch it while it was still recording...
[10:22] <majoridiot> did it ever start the video or just error out?
[10:22] <tgm4883_> i have my schedule setup to record programs, and while they record i usually go into media library and start watching it so i can skip commercials
[10:23] <majoridiot> right
[10:23] <majoridiot> what i'm asking...
[10:23] <tgm4883_> yea i was about halfway through a show when it gave the error about not being able to connect to the backend
[10:23] <tgm4883_> which is the same machine
[10:23] <majoridiot> ah
[10:23] <majoridiot> and that is the snippet of log that you posted?
[10:24] <tgm4883_> yea, i can post the whole thing if necessary
[10:25] <majoridiot> not necessary, i don't believe
[10:25] <tgm4883_> ok
[10:25] <majoridiot> ok
[10:25] <majoridiot> now...
[10:25] <majoridiot> did you restart the backend or just restart the frontend?
[10:26] <tgm4883_> I had to restart the backend to get it working again
[10:26] <tgm4883_> I actually ended up restarting the computer
[10:26] <majoridiot> ah.  k
[10:26] <tgm4883_> but i feel that a backend restart would have done the trick
[10:26] <majoridiot> i saw a 3-4 minute gap.
[10:26] <majoridiot> is there another remote frontend or is this your only machine?
[10:26] <tgm4883_> as i couldn't access either from mythweb either
[10:27] <tgm4883_> i have a remote frontend on my laptop that i use occasionally
[10:27] <majoridiot> ok
[10:27] <tgm4883_> but i wasn't using it last night
[10:27] <majoridiot> is the backend address 192.168.0.4?
[10:27] <tgm4883_> yes
[10:28] <majoridiot> did the program being recorded finish correctly?
[10:28] <tgm4883_> the backend had also been running about 8 days, not sure if that matters
[10:28] <tgm4883_> hmm, let me check
[10:30] <majoridiot> also... pls post the last few time-stamped log entries from right before the last log you posted. (you can pm it to me if you want)
[10:30] <tgm4883_> no didn't finish recording
[10:31] <majoridiot> probably because of your reboot.
[10:31] <majoridiot> it looks like it was still recording when you stopped it.
[10:32] <tgm4883_> just a sec
[10:32] <tgm4883_> i think i can explain that
[10:32] <majoridiot> mysql died for some reason.
[10:32] <tgm4883_> it crashed during the black donnellys, didn't finish recording that (last 8 minutes)
[10:33] <majoridiot> yup.  right when mysql died.
[10:33] <majoridiot> is there anything in your /var/log/mysql.err?
[10:34] <tgm4883_> I think i restarted it after that show, and it started recording the tonight show, but only recorded 7 minutes, stopped ( i think this is when i restarted) and started recording again (so i have 2 parts to the tonight show)
[10:34] <tgm4883_> let me check
[10:36] <tgm4883_> mysql.err is empty
[10:37] <majoridiot> what about mysql.log?
[10:37] <tgm4883_> is there a good program for looking through log files?  im using gedit
[10:37] <majoridiot> gnome log viewer
[10:38] <majoridiot> gnome-system-log
[10:38] <tgm4883_> mysql.log is empty also, i opened up mysql.log.1 which is dated yesterday and it also is empty
[10:38] <majoridiot> when was your crash?
[10:38] <tgm4883_> last night at about 10:58 pm
[10:39] <majoridiot> k
[10:39] <majoridiot> well... the problem is mysql died for some reason
[10:39] <majoridiot> or myth had a problem connecting to it for some reason out of the blue
[10:39] <majoridiot> i don't know much about mysql
[10:39] <tgm4883_> perhaps needs updating?
[10:40] <majoridiot> is it available to update on your system?
[10:40] <tgm4883_> yea
[10:40] <majoridiot> might not hurt
[10:40] <majoridiot> back up your database first, tho
[10:40] <majoridiot> just to be safe
[10:40] <tgm4883_> will do
[10:40] <majoridiot> vg.
[10:41] <tgm4883_> how large is too large for a log file (for mythtv), it looks quite large to me, but i suppose it could be average
[10:41] <tgm4883_> i just like to worry
[10:42] <majoridiot> dunno
[10:42] <majoridiot> lemme look at mine
[10:42] <majoridiot> $ ls -l /var/log/mythtv
[10:42] <majoridiot> total 1020
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv  18499 2007-04-03 15:30 mythbackend.log
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv  41078 2007-03-03 14:03 mythbackend.log~
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 129387 2007-04-03 08:41 mythbackend.log.1
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 119430 2007-04-02 08:23 mythbackend.log.2
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 119275 2007-04-01 15:25 mythbackend.log.3
[10:42] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 104585 2007-03-31 13:21 mythbackend.log.4
[10:43] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 105381 2007-03-30 11:02 mythbackend.log.5
[10:43] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 220661 2007-03-29 11:02 mythbackend.log.6
[10:43] <majoridiot> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 135439 2007-03-28 09:15 mythbackend.log.7
[10:43] <majoridiot> however...
[10:43] <majoridiot> keep in mind that my backend turns itself on and off... yours apparently runs for weeks ;)
[10:44] <majoridiot> so your log files are likely 10-20MB?
[10:44] <tgm4883_> well each log file is for 1 day it seems
[10:44] <majoridiot> ah... that's nice.
[10:44] <majoridiot> so your logs are 3-5MB?
[10:45] <tgm4883_> yea 5.2 mb for yesterday, 101000 lines
[10:45] <majoridiot> that's about right, i think.
[10:45] <tgm4883_> thats why its a PITA to look through
[10:46] <majoridiot> k...
[10:47] <majoridiot> you can set the log level to just log "important" events
[10:47] <tgm4883_> well i guess i need to let it run another week to see if it still has problems.  good think i kept the tivo as a backup incase something goes harry
[10:47] <majoridiot> it is set to log "general" as well by default
[10:47] <majoridiot> that would cut down the log size for you.
[10:47] <tgm4883_> ill change it to errors only
[10:48] <majoridiot> want help with that?
[10:48] <tgm4883_> wouldn't hurt, it's probably in the doc's right?
[10:48] <majoridiot> yes and no
[10:49] <majoridiot> LOL
[10:49] <tgm4883_> ah
[10:49] <majoridiot> you need to modify the init script
[10:49] <majoridiot> no biggy
[10:49] <tgm4883_> i do have another question, but not sure if I should wait to see if this crashing problem is sorted out first
[10:49] <majoridiot> sudo nano /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[10:50] <majoridiot> look for: DAEMON=/usr/bin/mythbackend  near the top after comments
[10:50] <tgm4883_> there is a small line of (static i guess) at the top of my analog recordings.  Probably covered by overscan on most tv's but i have no overscan
[10:50] <majoridiot> change it to: DAEMON=/usr/bin/mythbackend -v important
[10:51] <tgm4883_> ok changed
[10:51] <tgm4883_> i need to restart the backend correct?
[10:51] <majoridiot> correct.
[10:52] <majoridiot> the overscan settings in frontend setup won't fix it?
[10:52] <tgm4883_> lol, didn't even look as my tv doesn't have overscan
[10:52] <tgm4883_> let me try
[10:53] <majoridiot> the overscan is internal to the capture device ;)
[10:53] <tgm4883_> uh oh
[10:54] <tgm4883_> thomas@athena:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[10:54] <tgm4883_> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend: 12: -v: not found
[10:54] <tgm4883_> Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendstart-stop-daemon: unrecognized option `--daemon'
[10:54] <tgm4883_> Try `start-stop-daemon --help' for more information.
[10:54] <tgm4883_> thats the right command right?
[10:54] <tgm4883_> i tried just stop too, but didn't work either
[10:54] <majoridiot> LOL sec.
[11:00] <majoridiot> sorry... phone
[11:00] <majoridiot> ok undo that change... take the -v important off of the DAEMON
[11:00] <majoridiot> and add
[11:01] <majoridiot> damn phone, sorry.
[11:02] <majoridiot> -v important to the end of the ARGS=
[11:02] <majoridiot> a few lines down
[11:02] <majoridiot> (forgot i had changed my init script so much, sorry)
[11:03] <tgm4883_> that works much better thanks
[11:03] <majoridiot> that should start it logging only "important" msgs
[11:03] <majoridiot> yvw
[11:04] <tgm4883_> now the overscan setting, are you talking in mythtv-setup? or in the mythtv frontend settings?
[11:04] <majoridiot> frontend
[11:04] <majoridiot> setup>>tv >> playback
[11:04] <tgm4883_> isn't that global for the frontend?  will it change my HD viewing
[11:05] <majoridiot> same tuner?
[11:05] <tgm4883_> different
[11:05] <tgm4883_> one pvr-150, one pcHDTV 5500
[11:05] <majoridiot> hm.  try it and see
[11:05] <tgm4883_> ok
[11:05] <majoridiot> i have overscan set on my 150...
[11:06] <majoridiot> and haven't noticed a change in my firewire picture
[11:06] <tgm4883_> did you change the displacement or the percentage?
[11:07] <majoridiot> sec
[11:07] <tgm4883_> sorry to make you keep looking these things up
[11:08] <majoridiot> you want percentage
[11:08] <majoridiot> horizontal
[11:08] <majoridiot> if you have nooise at the top
[11:08] <tgm4883_> k
[11:08] <tgm4883_> i do
[11:08] <majoridiot> (np helping... i'll let you know when i've had enuf)
[11:08] <tgm4883_> small number like 5?
[11:08] <majoridiot> (i'm working on the guides, anyway)
[11:08] <tgm4883_> its a very small line
[11:09] <tgm4883_> iwill try it
[11:09] <majoridiot> try 1 or 2 to begin
[11:09] <majoridiot> it won't take much
[11:11] <tgm4883_> do i need to restart the frontend?
[11:11] <majoridiot> no
[11:12] <majoridiot> you can bounce back and forth
[11:15] <tgm4883_> hmm
[11:16] <tgm4883_> horizontal?  cause it seems the noise doesn't change, but the people are getting fatter
[11:16] <majoridiot> vert
[11:16] <majoridiot> LMAO
[11:17] <majoridiot> H side to side, v up and down.  idiot.
[11:17] <tgm4883_> ah much better, and 2 works this time.  Where i still had the line at 25 on horzontal
[11:18] <majoridiot> yeah... you wouldn't have fixed it listening to me.
[11:18] <majoridiot> hehe
[11:19] <tgm4883_> you going to hate me, but the longer im on here fixing these things the more questions i come up with
[11:19] <majoridiot> s'kinda why i'm here.  to help when i can.
[11:19] <majoridiot> :)
[11:20] <tgm4883_> ok, i *think* i only have two more, and i really do appreciate the help
[11:20] <tgm4883_> whoops didn't like that
[11:21] <tgm4883_> ah
[11:21] <tgm4883_> much better
[11:21] <tgm4883_> tried changeing it to 1 instead of 2 and had a very bouncy picture
[11:21] <tgm4883_> now to my last two questions (i hope)
[11:23] <tgm4883_> do you use a remote?  I have the pvr-150 remote and it feels cheesy and sometime i have to press the buttons repeatly to get it to work right.  Im looking for a better remote to use
[11:24] <majoridiot> it it usb sensor or plug into card?
[11:24] <tgm4883_> plug into card
[11:24] <majoridiot> where is your lircrc located?
[11:24] <tgm4883_> um
[11:25] <tgm4883_> lol
[11:25] <majoridiot> k
[11:25] <majoridiot> do:
[11:25] <tgm4883_> wherever the guide told me to put it
[11:25] <majoridiot> ls -a in your home directory to see if it is a hidden file there (.lircrc)
[11:25] <majoridiot> or
[11:26] <majoridiot> k
[11:26] <majoridiot> what is the result of ls -l .mythtv
[11:27] <tgm4883_> i have a .lircrc file in my home directory and ls -l .mythtv give me
[11:27] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 root   root   4096 2007-03-24 09:20 channels
[11:27] <tgm4883_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 thomas thomas   20 2007-03-24 14:57 lircrc -> /home/thomas/.lircrc
[11:27] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 3 thomas thomas 4096 2007-03-24 15:09 themecache
[11:27] <tgm4883_> but..
[11:27] <tgm4883_> my home directory is thomas, where as the computer auto logs in as user mythtv
[11:28] <majoridiot> k
[11:28] <tgm4883_> and i dont have a .lircrc file in there
[11:28] <majoridiot> do:
[11:28] <tgm4883_> thomas@athena:/home/mythtv$ ls -l .mythtv
[11:28] <tgm4883_> total 36
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv mythtv  4096 2007-03-25 18:36 channels
[11:28] <tgm4883_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root   root      20 2007-03-24 15:09 lircrc -> /home/thomas/.lircrc
[11:28] <tgm4883_> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv   939 2007-03-24 09:42 mysql.txt
[11:28] <majoridiot> ln -s /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc /home/thomas/.lircrc
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv mythtv  4096 2007-03-28 22:46 MythNews
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv mythtv  4096 2007-04-01 22:12 MythWeather
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 16384 2007-04-03 14:21 osdcache
[11:28] <tgm4883_> drwxr-xr-x 3 mythtv mythtv  4096 2007-03-24 15:05 themecache
[11:29] <tgm4883_> file exists
[11:29] <majoridiot> ah
[11:29] <majoridiot> k
[11:29] <majoridiot> you set it up correctly :)
[11:30] <majoridiot> dunno why it is sluggish.  mine works great.
[11:30] <tgm4883_> well whoever wrote the guide did an excellent job ;)
[11:30] <majoridiot> lirc?
[11:30] <majoridiot> that one is pretty much superm1's baby
[11:30] <majoridiot> and yes, it is very good.
[11:30] <tgm4883_> its not always sluggish, just sometime i have to press a few times to get it to work
[11:31] <tgm4883_> other times it works real quick
[11:31] <tgm4883_> so i was thinking it was the remote
[11:31] <tgm4883_> and i figured it would be nice to have a remote that was multifunction for turning the tv on and controlling other things too
[11:31] <majoridiot> might check to see if some of the keys need the repeat setting asjusted.
[11:32] <majoridiot> or maybe it's losing focus every now and then?
[11:32] <tgm4883_> maybe
[11:32] <tgm4883_> its a backend/frontend setup with no desktop
[11:32] <majoridiot> ah- no guarantee that the ir sensor will read a universal remote correctly... according to hauppauge.
[11:33] <majoridiot> then it shouldn't lose focus.  nothing to switch to.
[11:33] <tgm4883_> figured as much, is there somewhere i can get a usb ir receiver? (I assume usb would be a good one to get as opposed to say, serial)
[11:34] <tgm4883_> then i could use any remote right?
[11:34] <tgm4883_> with the correct lirc file that is
[11:35] <majoridiot> you might try to see if you can get the hauppauge to read another remote before buying another receiver
[11:35] <majoridiot> that is their *claim* in the docs... dunno if it is true or not.
[11:35] <tgm4883_> ok
[11:35] <majoridiot> the instructions for reading raw codes is on the lirc page
[11:36] <tgm4883_> i will check it out
[11:36] <majoridiot> k
[11:36] <tgm4883_> see now i have thought of another question
[11:36] <tgm4883_> its neverending
[11:36] <tgm4883_> :(
[11:37] <majoridiot> k... one more and then i need to concentrate for a little bit.
[11:37] <tgm4883_> ok
[11:37] <majoridiot> need to make a few guide changes without distraction, but then i'll be available.
[11:37] <majoridiot> so shoot :)
[11:38] <tgm4883_> where is the adjustment for the font size for things like backend status (or for the listing of recorded tv shows) it's really small on my tv
[11:39] <majoridiot> setup>>tv settings>>appearance
[11:39] <majoridiot> no
[11:39] <majoridiot> sorry
[11:40] <majoridiot> setup >> appearace
[11:41] <majoridiot> k... i'll bbiab
[11:41] <tgm4883_> k