=== jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === billbrasky [n=bg@71.239.170.218] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka_ [n=varkatop@p54A5F64B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Xenocide [n=Xenocide@rrcs-70-60-97-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Xenocide [n=Xenocide@rrcs-70-60-97-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Leaving"] === Xenocide [n=Xenocide@rrcs-70-60-97-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:20] majoridiot, do you use mplayer or xine [03:21] mplayer === billbrasky [n=billbras@71.239.170.218] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:22] hm, im having a problem where when i use mplayer, i have 0 volume [03:23] when launched by itself, from mythvideo or both? [03:26] mythvideo [03:26] have not tried anything else [03:27] regular desktop install or minimal? [03:27] minimal [03:27] using openbox [03:27] ah [03:27] ok [03:27] what command line are you launching with in mythvideo? [03:27] worked fine for a bit [03:27] not sure [03:27] default [03:27] im not sure if something was hit or what [03:28] inadvertently muted? [03:29] possibly [03:35] f9 or l is mute i believe [03:39] hey major... i was gonna try another myth install attempt with edgy - at the point where you configure sql, and have to log out & log back in - do you do any of that with the mythtv user (created by the mythtv package) [03:39] or with your regular ID created during ubuntu install? === majoridiot notices msttcorefonts was adeed back into the mythtv metapackage :) [03:40] the is not a mythtv "user" created, per se. [03:40] ALWAYS use your main user. [03:40] that is where people get screwed up- thinking the mythtv user needs to be used. [03:41] k [03:41] i wasn't using it [03:41] but i saw another walk-thru, on another page (by superm1 i believe) [03:41] so as soon as the synaptic package manager closes... [03:41] saying to login as the mythtv user [03:41] to the user add command [03:41] log out, back in and continue [03:41] adding your main ID to the mythtv group, i believe... [03:41] yea [03:42] in fact... [03:42] i need to sort out if i'm doing some part of that wrong [03:42] i'm at that stage atm on a feisty install... [03:42] ah [03:42] i just recreated a vm for me to sort out what i'm doing wrong [03:42] i'll figure it out sooner or later :) [03:43] (and it just worked like a charm) [03:44] well the first thing to know is that if you bork an instal once, you pretty much have to remove EVERY SINGLE trace of mythtv and mysql permanently [03:46] yea [03:46] i started from scratch on a vm and still ran into the database permissions issues like i did on a physical box [03:46] ok... [03:47] in a nutshell... [03:47] install the myth setup you desire [03:47] sudo usermod -a -G mythtv yourusername [03:47] logout [03:47] log back in as yourusername [03:47] mythtv-setup [03:48] yea [03:49] that's about where i get the rolling terminal screen with errors :-/ [03:49] i think the setup window does pop up [03:49] but i usually kill it before it does [03:49] cuz obviously something gets borked [03:49] is this from a FRESH format... after the borked attempt? [03:50] that was last night on a freshly installed vm [03:50] what mythtv packages are you installing? [03:50] just as the guide says [03:51] mythtv-frontend,-backend, database mysql-server, and all of the dependencies [03:51] i think i can try it again (gotta walk out the door in 2 minutes tho) [03:51] try the feisty install [03:52] working AWESOMELY [03:52] yea? [03:52] yes [03:53] what tuner are you using? [03:53] well, on the one box i'm gonna use a pvr500 [03:53] :) [03:53] on the other i'm gonna try firewire [03:53] give feisty a shot [03:53] the 500 should work right outta the box [03:53] shit, heading out the door... type atcha later [03:53] k === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-111-191-188.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === gardengnome [n=laga@mythwiki.de] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === billbrasky [n=bg@71.239.170.218] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:23] hm. quiet night. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:27] i just did mythtv install in that vm, seemed to go ok this time [06:27] :shrug: [06:27] i'm gonna download feisty and give it a try anyways [06:27] i'll take your word that it's stable [06:27] :) [06:28] :) [06:28] sure... so you can blame the idiot. [06:29] good evenin kids [06:29] 'lo superm1 [06:29] heya [06:29] majoridiot, did you straighten out your issues with ubiquity making a mess of paritions? [06:29] i was just calling it quits for guidework for the day. [06:29] ah [06:29] what are you guys using for remotes? [06:29] me, mceusb2 and mceusb [06:29] no... it will NOT manually partition a single, pre-installed srive. [06:30] mceusb and the PVR-150 blaster pack [06:30] (i2c remote) [06:30] either of the mce remotes work better than one another? [06:30] mceusb2 >>>>> mceusb [06:30] i was using the mceusb2 receiver with a harmony [06:30] ah [06:30] but i gotta get a remote for this other setup i think [06:31] my parents don't think the ati remote wonder is too intuitive [06:31] yea i wasnt a fan of it either [06:31] a roomate had one [06:31] i like that it's rf [06:31] and works fairly quick/smooth [06:32] i was hoping someone would have a way to simply map the MCE quick access buttons to myth (my pictures etc) [06:32] the mceusb2 is plenty responsive enough for me [06:32] might have been done already, i dunno [06:33] the key is to put the .lircrc in your home and make the lircrc in .mythtv a symlink to it... that seemed to speed the plow more than sticking lircrc directly in ,mythtv [06:34] i see [06:34] take the button name as defined in lircd.conf or reported buy irw and link it up to what you want it to do in the mythtv section of lircrc [06:34] majoridiot, was jetsradiem in this evenin? [06:34] i do not beleieve so, superm1. [06:34] if so, silent. [06:34] i touched bases earlier today with him [06:34] but still having lots of glade related issues [06:34] with ubiquity [06:35] a tough nut to crack, eh> [06:35] yes [06:35] well if he doesn't have it figured out in the next few weeks, i've only got roughly a month of school left [06:35] so i'll have free time evenings then [06:36] thaz all cool :) [06:36] made some nice guide improvements... [06:37] i'll have a look in a few min [06:37] feisty and backported (LOL) them to edgy as well [06:38] backported.... [06:38] oh you mean the text [06:38] not the packages [06:38] lol [06:38] i think i may just reformat the backend tomorrow night and put in a feisty backend for permanent. [06:38] hehe... yeah, the text [06:38] i moved my edgy backend to feisty [06:38] didn't have time to do the packages... LOL [06:38] still have a dapper one chugging along though :) [06:38] :) [06:39] been wanting to drop the db and start from scratch for awhile... [06:39] i think i might reformat the feisty one though. its been oopsing since i put edgy 64 in [06:39] i might just put 32 [06:39] and i'm liking the feisty packages. [06:39] and see if its more stable [06:39] plus, with feisty i can WOL that board, since the driver is fixed. [06:39] ah nice [06:40] i quit running 64 altogether [06:40] about four or five months ago. too unstable for me. [06:40] yea i hope thats all it is, this is all brand new hardware from newegg [06:40] since sept [06:41] so i dont want to have to deal with rma again === majoridiot bets 32bit will run like a charm [06:42] well i wish there was a way to easily reinstall remotely [06:42] because i dont have a head hooked up to it [06:42] or a keyboard to use with it [06:42] tat sucks [06:43] i picked up a little usb micro-keyboard for my backend for $16 [06:43] tucks away nicely. [06:43] still have to lug out a monitor, tho. [06:43] well once its up and running i dont have a need for one. i'll probably wait until i move in a month, and then just move my lcd out there for a day [06:44] to get it up and redone [06:45] have you had any luck making multiple mythtv sources from one zap2it account and attaching them to inividual cards? [06:46] e.g. 2-99 tune to pvr150 by default, 105-+ to firewire? [06:46] no i haven't. i've just always made sources for each card [06:46] for a short period of time, i had 3 zap2it accounts since i had so many sources [06:46] and they overlapped zip codes [06:46] hehe [06:47] so seperate sources from seperate accounts? [06:47] yes === majoridiot would prefer not to abuse tribune's good graces if he doesn't have to [06:47] haha [06:47] i can see that [06:48] one would think that if they all shared the same account... [06:48] but each had different channels, then it should work. [06:48] but it gets really pissed if i try that. [06:48] LOL [06:49] do you think zap2it will ever become a pay service? [06:50] they considered it last year [06:50] they offered a pay verison [06:50] with additional data and such [06:51] additional data? [06:51] yes [06:51] like more detailed data [06:51] that went further out [06:51] it was like 15 bucks for 6 months [06:52] but they decided against it after their test phase [06:52] not enough interest? [06:52] excatly [06:52] too expensive. [06:53] 19.95 a year would be pushing it. [06:54] well i think thats what the price point was [06:54] i dont remember [06:54] it might have been cheaper [06:54] it was all discussed on the mailing list way back when [06:55] they just got bought [06:55] s'why i'm wondering. [06:55] oh no... [06:55] by who? [06:55] actually, not that bad [06:55] sec [06:56] sam zell [06:56] real estate mogul, supposed to be a pretty upstanding guy. [06:57] he bought TMS? [06:57] selling the cubs. LOL [06:57] alone?? [06:57] $13 billion [06:57] wow [06:57] http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9293474 [06:58] amazing [06:58] yeah [06:58] well from their perspective - [06:58] its better to do it this way [06:58] because previously all these projects scrapped their websites [06:58] and wasted bandwidth [06:58] great pr too [06:59] if need be, sell ad space on the zap2it pages. no need to charge. [06:59] kinda flipped when i read that this morning. [07:02] well we'll have to see === majoridiot goes for cheerios [07:05] k [07:06] family guy and cheerios... awhat better way to wind down? [07:07] well Heroes and cheerios [07:07] :) [07:07] i haven't checked that out yet. figured i'd grab season one [07:08] oh you should for sure [07:08] def one of my favorite series yet [07:10] i look forward to catching up on the tv shows that i'm missing right now due to this overload of last minute school work [07:10] myth building you a nice baklog? [07:12] yes sir [07:12] i've never had this much back logged recordings [07:12] lol [07:12] its to the point where autoexpire might expire them before i watch some :) [07:12] do you commercial flag as you record? [07:12] yes [07:12] from one of the other backends on the network [07:13] my master backend could never keep up [07:13] do you find it less accurate? as in more sensitive? [07:13] no not at all [07:13] i recently changed mine to flag as it records and it gets a lot of false flags. running it after is dead-on. [07:14] oh thats really odd [07:14] hm. [07:14] i find it more inaccurate when that amd64 edgy box does the flagging though [07:14] rather than my 3rd backend [07:14] oddly enoug [07:14] hehe [07:14] myth has got the cutest lil' quirks... [07:14] LOL [07:14] yes it sure does [07:15] oh i came across something interesting today [07:15] dont have a link, [07:15] but 5C is being pulled from a lot of comcast markets [07:16] really? [07:16] why so? [07:16] because they were getting enough complaints i'd guess [07:16] sweet [07:16] this could really be the holy grail if other cable co's start to follow suit [07:17] afaik my insight has no 5C channels. [07:17] so lucky :) [07:17] this would make myth the universal holy grail country wide [07:17] indeed and agreed! :) [07:17] agreed again. [07:17] i freaked out a friend the other night... [07:18] ran 3 different X sessions on my main comp, with a mythfrontend in each... [07:18] one D [07:18] HD [07:18] wow [07:18] and it handled that? [07:18] and the other two sd [07:18] backend never got over .2 load [07:18] frontend just laughed. [07:19] he FREAKED. [07:19] just laughed? [07:19] couldn't believe it was that powerful and that free. [07:19] as in at how easy it was to do [07:20] swapped between processors... but never worse than 100% on one and 20-ish on another. [07:20] thats incredible [07:20] plenty of legroom left. [07:20] the video cards help a LOT, but the core duo 2 is a nice processor. [07:20] my desktop freaks at one HD show [07:20] oh a core 2 duo [07:20] i am impressed. my first intel chip ever. [07:21] man i need to get me one of those :) [07:21] my comp arch prof talked about them too [07:21] and how many strides ahead they are [07:21] and dual 7600GTKO SLIs running the video, so that helps. [07:21] wow [07:21] that is a mighty bad ass frontened [07:22] s/frontened/frontend/ [07:22] i am very impressed with it. and i guess the one i got is known for great ovewrclocking. [07:22] LOL at fe/fe/fe [07:22] he was more impressed that the backend handled it so well [07:22] well, as am i. [07:23] it a great software package. [07:23] :) [07:23] well hopefully for feisty+1, mythbuntu will be much closer to ready [07:23] and user friendly [07:23] for non linux people to jump in [07:23] so your friend can set up his own box :) [07:23] looking forward to that. :) [07:24] i could see the wheels turning in his head LOL [07:26] okay i've just got a few more things to finish with this lab [07:26] and then back home and bed for me [07:27] much earlier then yesterdays freaking 4AM :) [07:27] i would say so [07:27] i'm out soon myself [07:27] okay you have a good night. i'll take a look at the backported changes for edgy and see what i think :) [07:28] k. ttyl [07:28] later === tgm4883 [n=thomas@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:58] Where's the log file for the backend server? I was watching a show being recorded and my backend server crashed [08:16] /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5F64B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Daviey [n=Daviey@unaffiliated/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:59] mornin Daviey [02:59] long time no see [02:59] superm1, grr! [03:00] I had my laptop stolen [03:00] omg [03:00] seriously? [03:00] yeah [03:00] wow so sorry dude [03:00] luckily i had only *just* backed everything of value up [03:00] did u have anything personable on therer that you wouldnt want in someone else's hands? [03:01] not really.... i suspect they wouldn't know how to mount a ext3 fs anyway [03:01] haha [03:01] On that thought tho, i will be seriously looking at encrypting it [03:01] is insurance going to cover it or anything? [03:01] oh yeah... [03:02] encrypting it is a lot of work from what i've looked [03:02] in someways i'm happy... I put a meaty scratch into the lid [03:02] i thought about it for mine too [03:02] a hard drive lock is probably a better bet [03:02] (at least my thinkpad supports a hard drive locking password) [03:03] Well i have already purchased a new one - and the insurance will cover it all.. :) [03:03] the drive won't spin up until its entered - and it only works in computers supporting a hard drive lock) [03:03] wow nice [03:03] well i would have offered - i will have an IBM/lenovo discount avail to me within the next 1.5 months if this happened a little later [03:03] technically there is an 'excess' to pay - but ebaying the MS licences will cover that ;) [03:04] hehe [03:04] well either that or attempting to get the cost of the license back from the manufacturer [03:05] i've read about both dell and lenovo doing it [03:13] Daviey, so once you get the new machine back, you going to join back with us in mythbuntu efforts? [03:23] sorry, had a phone call - let me catch up [03:23] yes! definitely! [03:23] I'm really keen to get this out [03:27] well the way things are looking, its not going to be at feisty release [03:27] but it will have to be staggered [03:27] due to a variety of reasons [03:27] -jetsariem ran into lots of difficulties with ubiquity, and i can't work much with him on it [03:28] -imbrandon hasnt gotten me my acct setup properly [03:28] he "made" it and set up a server for us [03:28] but my ssh key isn't working and i have been bugging him about it daily [03:28] hehe [03:29] What domain are we getting? [03:29] well mythbuntu.org was just bought by someone else apparently right before imbrandon was about to get it [03:29] so i really don't know [03:29] i was figuring that part would be irrelevant until the website is prepared [03:29] Have we made contact with the person who did? [03:29] we were going to use drupal for content management [03:30] *cough* Joomla *cough* [03:30] no we haven't - i've considering phoning him. he is registered as living in indiana, and google turns up a mobile phone number in addition to his business number [03:30] Joomla? [03:31] http://www.joomla.org/ [03:32] superm1, pm [03:35] so Daviey what does Joomla have going for it above drupal? [03:36] I threw together a quick joomla webpage and was quite impressed with it [03:36] i haven't tried drupal so can't really comment [03:36] well i have seen several drupal sites, and saying sexy is an understatement [03:36] mind you, isn't there a drupal theme for 'ubuntu' we could adapt? [03:37] fluxbuntu.org and ubuntu.com use it [03:37] have a look at fluxbuntu ;) [03:37] this might be interesting, http://forum.joomla.org/index.php?topic=4364.msg35306 [03:38] ha, Site off line [03:39] sounds like a +1 for drupal then [03:41] well the thing that sticks out from that is that drupal is focused around community sites though [03:41] eg logins and such [03:41] which for our purposes, i don't know will be necessary [03:42] tbh. we can experiment. It's easy to install either. We can just save the content [03:42] sounds like a good idea [03:42] once imbrandon gets me the shell account to this box eventually i'll get basic installs of both on and give you an acct to toy with too [03:43] What needs doing with actual development? Have i missed much? [03:43] not too much, a few minor bug fixes that had to get in, lots of work on the guide, and i think that the live disk script is pretty much done at this point [03:44] i mean of course there will be other things that will still come up [03:44] but i think ubiquity is the big thing right now that needs work [03:45] what needs doing? [03:45] some of the uglier things i was doing on the live disk script have been pulled upstream (like user-setup) [03:45] with ubiquity? [03:45] well jetsariem has been running into a variety of glade issues [03:45] afaik [03:45] and after he sorts out the gui, all the debconf that happens behind the scenes needs to be setup [03:46] any idea when he'll be back? [03:46] he is on mid afternoons and late evenings (central time) [03:46] from what i've noticed [03:46] good stuff [03:46] i wish i had the time atm to help more with it too, but its the last month of school and you know how that goes [03:47] :) === superm1 wishes feisty release wasn't timed with the finish of his semester :( [03:48] get the data postponed :P [03:48] s/data/date [03:48] haha [03:48] well i'm going to stick to the view though, that we are better just delaying our release rather than release something that would be a hack anyhow [03:48] no use rushing right now [03:50] agreed [03:50] If it doesn't 'just work' then it'll get a bashing [03:50] exactly [03:51] furthermore, we need to advertise the fact that it is extremely simple to update when a new myth version is released [03:51] but in a month once school is wrapped up, i'll have much more time anyhow [03:51] well to do that, we need our own repository that supplements the ubuntu repos [03:51] i think [03:52] thats what i thought initially - but weren't we going to try and squeeze everything into universe? [03:52] yes [03:52] but what if say 0.21 is released [03:52] right after for example feisty [03:53] and everyone wants to jump onto that boat [03:53]