[05:06] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:07] <Burgundavia> hey sbalneav
[05:07] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:08] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[05:08] <sbalneav> Bey Burgundavia
 Why do we still have "edgy (6.10) is released ! grab it while its hot !" in the topic?  <LaserJock> cause it's the latest stable release?
[05:37] <merriam> There's no way it can be described as "hot" now.
[05:38] <ajmitch> it's still hot enough
[05:42] <jsgotangco> 7.04 is not that hot yet since we have some critical release bugs
[05:44] <sbalneav> merriam: The last thing we want is everybody grabbing Feisty thinking it's stable, and being sorely dissapointed :(
[05:45] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: sadly, and there's a *lot* of work to be done on universe at least
[05:45] <jsgotangco> for times like this, all we need is green eggs and ham
[05:50] <merriam> sbalneav: so you're keen to communicate to teachers the fact that Edgy is stable and is the release to use now?
[05:51] <sbalneav> Until feisty gets released, yes.
[05:51] <jsgotangco> can it wait for a few weeks?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:52] <sbalneav> Once feisty gets released, then we'll tell people IT's stable :)
[05:56] <merriam> I know some teachers very well.  I have already recommended Edubuntu.  I wouldn't want any of them to read the message "edgy (6.10) is released ! grab it while its hot !".
[05:56] <merriam> It's not hot.  It's stable.  As for English teachers...
[05:57] <bimberi> I think most people will allow some poetic licence
[06:10] <sbalneav> It should also be noted that Seveas (who set the message) is German, I beleive, so some lattitude for foreign language must be allowed as well :)
[06:11] <LaserJock> we could always change it if it's necessary
[06:11] <LaserJock> we just set that when Edgy came out and I don't think anybody's changed it since it's the latest release
[06:11] <sbalneav> Hey, LaserJock, just finished the snaps, naming them right now.
[06:12] <sbalneav> Gimme a few minutes more.
[06:12] <sbalneav> I don't have any ops for this channel anyway, so until someone with ops pops in...
[06:13] <LaserJock> I don't know that you need ops to change the title
[06:14] <bimberi> it's mode +t so ops is needed
[06:15] <LaserJock> ah
[06:15] <sbalneav> Yeah, just tried to change the one in #ltsp, no go without ops.
[06:16] <sbalneav> heh, I've GOT ops in #ltsp, but I use it so rarely, I can never remember how to request it.
[06:16] <sbalneav> I think the last time I needed op in #ltsp was, like, 4 years ago.
[06:21] <sbalneav> LaserJock: files sending
[06:26] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I was afk, can you try again
[06:26] <LaserJock> oh wait, I'm getting them
[06:28] <LaserJock> sbalneav: actually, I'm not getting them, sorry
[06:28] <sbalneav> k hold on
[06:29] <LaserJock> got it
[11:22] <narutosan> hiya
[11:25] <highvoltage> fefeffefeffef
[11:26] <cbx33> highvoltage: ???
[11:29] <narutosan> cbx33: any update on GSOC
[11:33] <cbx33> nope not yet
[11:34] <narutosan> cbx33: may i know if  you have checked my application
[11:35] <cbx33> I've seen a few
[11:35] <cbx33> what is your name?
[11:35] <cbx33> real name again?
[11:35] <narutosan> My name is PRANAVA SWAROOP S
[11:37] <cbx33> not sure i've checked that one yet
[11:37] <narutosan> cbx33: can you please do it
[11:39] <narutosan> can you please get me a review for it ?
[11:43] <narutosan> cbx33: ??
[11:44] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:49] <narutosan> cbx33: hello
[11:56] <cbx33> narutosan I will take a look hopefully later on todya
[11:57] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: by the way, highvoltage told me to tell you 'boo' 15 hours, 46 minutes and 36 seconds ago (on Tue Apr  3 20:10:56 2007)
[11:57] <cbx33> heheheh
[12:01] <narutosan> cbx33: thank you
[12:09] <ajmitch> hey cbx33
[12:10] <cbx33> hi ajmitch
[12:24] <highvoltage> hey ajmitch. I hear your name more and more here in the office :)
[12:24] <ajmitch> highvoltage: worrying :)
[12:41] <ajmitch> highvoltage: I suppose I'd better spend some quality time on this stuff over easter :)
[12:53] <highvoltage> ajmitch: :)
[12:55] <SiCk--> hey guys, wondering if anyone could help me a second with a problem im having... when my client boots, all is well, then i shut it down and start it again, and get /bin/sh: can't access tty: on the client , it happened for a few restarts, then the dhcp3-server just stopped responding... now i cant even do a /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[12:56] <SiCk--> well, actually it just worked, took forever though..
[12:56] <SiCk--> the dhcp3-server restart that is
[12:57] <SiCk--> ah, nevermind, the dhcp still isnt responding on the client
[12:57] <SiCk--> ugh
[12:58] <narutosan> restart again
[12:58] <highvoltage> ogra: ^^^ the report above, we seem to be getting it more and more frequently, do you perhaps know if it's a bug?
[01:10] <narutosan> SiCk--: is it working now??
[01:11] <cbx33> meeting?
[01:12] <narutosan> ??
[01:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: tonight
[01:12] <cbx33> now i thought
[01:13] <cbx33> that's that wubuntu-meeting says
[01:13] <RichEd> cbx33: in 1 hour
[01:13] <RichEd> or 45 mins
[01:13] <cbx33> whaaa....oh yeh
[01:13] <cbx33> damn clocks changed
[01:14] <highvoltage> whoops, I had the time totally wrong
[01:14] <cbx33> hehe
[01:16] <narutosan> ok bye
[01:16] <narutosan> probably i should leave
[01:16] <narutosan> !!:)
[01:17] <cliebow> SiCk--, just check to be sure you have some leases left...
[01:17] <cliebow> ive seen in heavy experimenting all leases used
[01:23] <SiCk--> sorry guys, had to go there a second
[01:23] <SiCk--> how do i check the leases on a linux server?
[01:23] <SiCk--> on the dhcp3 server?
[01:30] <ogra> highvoltage, if its feisty its surely bug #100021
[01:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 100021 in ltsp "[Feisty]  LTSP fails on multi-homed server due to network manager touching predefined static interfaces" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100021
[01:43] <SiCk--> god, now i'm having lovely problems again
[01:43] <SiCk--> can't open file /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml , and it cant login, after it working fine a few boots ago
[01:43] <SiCk--> nothing changed
[01:45] <SiCk--> well, it logs in, but session lasts less than 10 seconds etc.
[01:50] <RichEd> edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 mins
[01:51] <SiCk--> gonna try rebuilding the client again. muh
[01:58] <RichEd> [02:44] <SiCk--> anyone have any ideas why my client suddently cant load the gdm theme human ?
[03:36] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:36] <highvoltage> hi sbalneav. you just missed most of the edubuntu meeting
[03:37] <sbalneav> Oh, is there a meeting?
[03:37] <sbalneav> Oh yeah, this is the early one.
[03:37] <sbalneav> Still on?
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya
[05:19] <freet15> highvoltage: still here?
[05:59] <cliebow_> anyone else using slapd in feisty?..My experience was no /var/run/slapd.args was created
[06:30] <cliebow_> sudo apt-cache search ubuntu-restricted
[06:30] <cliebow_> hell
[06:52] <maccam94> hi RichEd
[07:38] <cliebow_> anyone have a pkg name for java jre for feisty ppc?
[07:47] <maccam94> cliebow_, you've tried searching synaptic or aptitude for java jre?
[07:49] <cliebow_> apt idid
[07:57] <maccam94> cliebow_, have you enabled the universe/restricted/multiverse repo's?
[07:57] <cliebow_> yes.. Scottie just got me on the right road..lots of upgrades doing
[08:01] <obiyoda> I am installing The beta version and it hangs on me at about 6% of the select and install software. Any Ideas about why this might be?
[08:06] <sbalneav> obiyoda: Did you do a "check cd contents" boot up?  Maybe you've got a bad burn on the cd
[08:07] <sbalneav> As well, might be worth running a ram test as well.
[08:07] <obiyoda> I did a check on the cd and it passes. I can install just the basic command line mode but when i go back and install the server it just hangs.
[08:08] <sbalneav> Hmmm, not sure what's causing that.  You're using the server install cd, you say?  The text based one?
[08:10] <obiyoda> Yes the text based for the edubuntu server
[08:14] <sbalneav> Wierd, as there's nothing GRAPHICAL that the installer's doing, so it's not a video card issue.
[08:14] <sbalneav> Can you do a control-alt-f1 or f2 and get a shell up?  Or is it hard hung?
[08:15] <obiyoda> No I can get to a shell
[08:15] <obiyoda> and run commands. Just don't know what to look at
[08:18] <sbalneav> Ah, ok, so it's not hard hung.  That's good, we can do some debugging then.
[08:18] <sbalneav> in a shell, what are the last 5 lines of the output of "dmesg"
[08:18] <sbalneav> Anything that looks like an error?
[08:26] <obiyoda> the only error it is showing is end_request: I/O error, dev fd0 sector 0
[08:33] <obiyoda> I am going to try some other things I think it may be a hardware problem as i am using an old box. Thanks for the help
[08:39] <sbalneav> No problem, ping me if you need me
[08:39] <obiyoda> will do thanks
[09:49] <evilmercer> anyone know how to get thin clients to boot without using dhcp?
[09:50] <sbalneav> Any reason why you can't use dhcp?
[09:52] <evilmercer> yeah, we use a windows server for remote installation services that requires it to be a dhcp server as well
[09:53] <evilmercer> I am using a neoware thin client
[09:53] <sbalneav> You could put two nics in the Edubuntu server, and boot the thin clients off of the second nic, then you just limit the dhcp on the Edubuntu server to the second nic.
[09:55] <evilmercer> that would still put two dhcp servers on my network
[09:57] <sbalneav> No, you can limit the Edubuntu dhcp server to only answer on the nic you're going to hang the terminals off of
[09:57] <sbalneav> So it won't respond on your "main" network.
[09:58] <evilmercer> I dont have that option unfortunatly
[09:59] <evilmercer> the problem is xserver wont allow connections that aren't dhcp clients as well
[10:01] <sbalneav> What do you mean?
[10:02] <evilmercer> If you boot to it by dhcp like normal it will work, but if you manualy tell it to connect to the server it wont allow the connection
[10:06] <rbmf> How do you allow Xorg to listen for remote connections?
[10:10] <rbmf> can edubuntu use xdmcp instead of ldm?
[10:11] <LaserJock> I'm not positive, but I think perhaps not
[10:12] <LaserJock> xdmcp is insecure as far as I know
[10:15] <rbmf> How do I allow the X server to listen for remote connections with ldm then?
[10:37] <sbalneav> rbmf: Actually it can listen to xdmcp
[10:37] <sbalneav> Go to System -> Administration -> Login window
[10:38] <sbalneav> Go to the remote tab, and enable XDMCP
[10:38] <sbalneav> You'll have to restart gdm for it to pick up the setting.
[10:42] <rbmf> sbalneav:  Thank you.
[10:54] <LaserJock> sbalneav or ogra: pingy pingy
[10:54] <sbalneav> LaserJock: ICMP ECHO REPLY
[10:55] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I just realized that I don't think the Handbook mentions the 2nd CD anywhere
[10:55] <sbalneav> Eeep
[10:55] <sbalneav> crud
[10:56] <LaserJock> like for standalone it says "
[10:56] <LaserJock> You now have a fully-functional Edubuntu system!
[10:56] <LaserJock> after installing via the 1st CD
[10:57] <sbalneav> ok
[10:57] <sbalneav> I'll have to do something about that.
[10:58] <LaserJock> sbalneav: do you have time today for it?
[10:58] <sbalneav> Do you need it RFN, or can it wait until say past 8:00 tonight?
[10:58] <LaserJock> I just don't want people to grab the 1st cd, install it, and think "Where the heck did the edu software go? This distro sux"
[10:59] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I think that'll work. I think I'm going to give ogra the final package to upload tonight
[11:00] <sbalneav> OK, I'll get it in.   I have to take my son for a haircut at 6:30, should be home by 7:30, and a half an hour to write something up, and take some screen shots.
[11:00] <sbalneav> Do we need to provide a link in the manual to the second cd?
[11:01] <ajmitch> morning kids
[11:01] <sbalneav> Hey ajmitch
[11:01] <ajmitch> what's up?
[11:01] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I don't think a link, just explain what it's called and what's on it
[11:01] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I think for Feisty we just need something
[11:01] <sbalneav> ok, I'll grab a screenshot of the package manager popup as well.
[11:01] <sbalneav> yeah, I totally agree.
[11:01] <LaserJock> sbalneav: btw, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/edubuntu-docs/+translations
[11:02] <sbalneav> When does the doc team have the next meeting?
[11:02] <LaserJock> whenever they decide to have one
[11:02] <LaserJock> it's a pretty loose team
[11:02] <sbalneav> You'll put me in for an svn account?
[11:03] <LaserJock> yeah, mdke just asked me to send an email to the list
[11:03] <LaserJock> I just wanted to make sure I *actually* looked over your stuff before I did so
[11:03] <LaserJock> as it's my butt on the line ;-)
[11:03] <LaserJock> but I'm fully satisfied
[11:03] <sbalneav> So, do I pass so far? :)
[11:04] <LaserJock> yes, I'll write the email right now in fact, as I'll forget it otherwise
[11:04] <sbalneav> ajmitch: so far, just dealing with some manual labour
[11:04] <sbalneav> HAHAHAHA
[11:04] <sbalneav> That's a doco joke
[11:06] <LaserJock> lol
[11:06] <sbalneav> I'm here all week, folks.  Don't forget to tip your waitress.
[11:12] <ajmitch> sbalneav: right... :)
[11:17] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you should have the CC in your mailbox
[11:17] <sbalneav> Might take a bit to come in, we've got greylisting here at work.
[11:26] <sbalneav> k, heading home, be back on later
[11:49] <bodhi_zazen> Hello edubuntu
[11:49] <bodhi_zazen> I am considering setting up an edubuntu cluster, first for myself, then perhaps for the local community (read school)
[11:50] <bodhi_zazen> Can I test the system (server side) with the live CD ?
[11:50] <bodhi_zazen> Or do I need to install to boot thin clients ?
[11:53] <LaserJock> install
[11:53] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure anyway
[11:54] <bodhi_zazen> LaserJock, Thanks
[11:55] <LaserJock> I don't think the LiveCD has enough room for all the LTSP server stuff
[11:57] <Burgwork> there was a plan to do that
[11:57] <Burgwork> be nice to produce a live dbd
[11:57] <Burgwork> dvd, rather
[11:58] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:03] <bodhi_zazen> So then the classroom server CD is the server install ?
[12:03] <bodhi_zazen> What is the desktop cd for ?
[12:04] <LaserJock> that's the LiveCD
[12:04] <bodhi_zazen> Is the live cd what the thin clients look like ?
[12:04] <bodhi_zazen> and what is the add-on Cd
[12:04] <bodhi_zazen> I's sooo confused :(
[12:04] <LaserJock> the add-on CD has all the educational software
[12:04] <bodhi_zazen> *I'm
[12:05] <LaserJock> sorry, we've made some changes for Feisty
[12:05] <LaserJock> Desktop =  LiveCD
[12:06] <LaserJock> Server = LTSP server and workstation (non-Live CD installs)
[12:06] <LaserJock> Server-addon = educational software that can be installed after the base system is installed
[12:07] <bodhi_zazen> Thanks for the clarification
[12:07] <bodhi_zazen> I'll wait for Feisty and give it a spin
[12:07] <bodhi_zazen> I've got the hardware
[12:07] <LaserJock> generally you're going to want the server and server-addon CDs
[12:07] <bodhi_zazen> I've got the children
[12:08] <LaserJock> the desktop CD is cool for demoing and things like that
[12:08] <bodhi_zazen> Which cd to set-up thin clients ?
[12:08] <LaserJock> but I think it's pretty close to an Edubuntu branded Ubuntu Desktop CD
[12:08] <LaserJock> well, thin clients themselve need no setup
[12:09] <LaserJock> but the thin client server is on the server CD
[12:10] <bodhi_zazen> That is the part that is new to me, booting the think clients
[12:10] <LaserJock> well, if all goes well and you have a PXE boot thin client
[12:10] <LaserJock> you install the server and then just turn on the thin client
[12:12] <bodhi_zazen> Can I use old PC's as thin clients (I hope)
[12:13] <LaserJock> generally
[12:13] <LaserJock> you might find the Edubuntu Handbook helpful
[12:13] <LaserJock> it's a bit "In Progress" but still has a lot of good stuff: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[12:13] <bodhi_zazen> That is my goal, to read that some in the next few weeks
[12:13] <bodhi_zazen> Thanks for the link
[12:14] <bodhi_zazen> At this point I guess I am in the "collect information" stage