[12:18] <neversfelde> Riddell: ping
[12:36] <kwwii> lol...you are not hardcore kde then :p
[12:36] <DaSkreech> hardkore!
[12:36] <kwwii> darn, I messed up
[12:36] <kwwii> it's late here
[12:37] <DaSkreech> :-)
[12:37] <DaSkreech> Just remap the 'k' key
[12:37] <DaSkreech> damn
[12:37] <DaSkreech> Umm
[12:37] <DaSkreech> 'C' key?
[12:37] <DaSkreech> Yeah ^^^
[12:37] <Riddell> neversfelde: hi
[12:37] <neversfelde> Riddell: hello
[12:38] <neversfelde> Riddell: Czessi waits 190 kg of Kubuntu CDs. Wow
[12:39] <Riddell> and that's only a fraction of the ones shipit needs to get rid of
[12:39] <neversfelde> Riddell: he has a small apartment and we organized another storehouse
[12:40] <neversfelde> do you know whitch forwarding ageny is used?
[12:40] <neversfelde> +c
[12:40] <Riddell> neversfelde: you mean postal company?
[12:40] <neversfelde> yes
[12:41] <Riddell> dunno, it's usually TNT coming from the Netherlands
[12:43] <neversfelde> ok, thx. I'll try to phone them tommorrow in order to redirect the delivery
[12:43] <neversfelde> Berlin will be a kubuntu town after the "Linux Tag"
[12:43] <neversfelde> :)
[12:43] <ypsila> moin
[12:44] <Riddell> neversfelde: I doubt they'll accept a phone call from a random third party, it would need to be the sender
[12:44] <ypsila> neversfelde: only 6000 *kicher*
[12:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: Czessi will have to give his sign i think
[12:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: but that should be no problem with TNT
[12:44] <ypsila> Riddell: Czessi was simply shocked when he read 13 packets - weight 130kg
[12:45] <ypsila> Riddell: ever heard may voice on the phone? :-D
[12:46] <ypsila> neversfelde: 6000 we will manage in Berlin, Czessi ist at home on thursday and milian and maelcum will take care
[12:46] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks for that information. gn8
[12:48] <Riddell> 4,000 PC and 1000 64 Bit
[12:48] <ypsila> Riddell: that is much
[12:50] <ypsila> although, I do not complain about, we will have a lot of possibities to give those cds to the right people
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: noticed that problem with the build farm ?
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: all my uploads ftbfs, due to update-initramfs: command not found
[01:10] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Do you run Hurd
[01:16] <ypsila> so weg
[01:31] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I will be as soon as I get a machine for doing so.
[01:33] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Adept question
[01:33] <manchicken> ?
[01:33] <DaSkreech> Would it be at all possible to get the files which will be installed by a package
[01:33] <DaSkreech> possibly at explict user request?
[01:34] <manchicken> IIRC, the only way to do that would be to actually download the package and look at it.
[01:34] <manchicken> Possible, yes.  I'm not sure about whether or not it'd be a good idea.
[01:34] <DaSkreech> hmm
[01:34] <manchicken> I suppose ubotu's code may help with that though.
[01:34] <DaSkreech> well it just occurred to me that ubotu can do it
[01:34] <manchicken> ubotu obviously gets its data from somewhere.
[01:34] <DaSkreech> I would assume packages.ubuntu.com
[01:35] <Tonio_> manchicken: pretty easy using apt-file show
[01:35] <DaSkreech> !find wesnoth.desktop
[01:35] <Tonio_> manchicken: but should be optional as we don't ship with apt-file by default
[01:35] <ubotu> File wesnoth.desktop found in app-install-data, wesnoth
[01:35] <Tonio_> manchicken: also apt-file uses its own database that requires update too
[01:36] <manchicken> Tonio_: I think hitting packages.ubuntu.com may be easier.
[01:36] <Tonio_> manchicken: possible too indeed
[01:36] <Tonio_> manchicken: one thing I'd LOVE to see in adept
[01:36] <Tonio_> manchicken: config box to set a proxy
[01:36] <manchicken> That'd be feisty+1 though.
[01:36] <Tonio_> manchicken: sure
[01:37] <Tonio_> manchicken: how about this ?
[01:37] <manchicken> Tonio_: Can you do that for apt-get?
[01:37] <Tonio_> manchicken: synaptic does it
[01:37] <Tonio_> manchicken: yup, just have to set the option in apt-conf
[01:37] <manchicken> Don't make me look at Python...
[01:38] <Tonio_> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxyserver:Port";
[01:38] <Tonio_> add this in apt.conf and that's it
[01:38] <manchicken> Interesting.
[01:38] <manchicken> That sounds like it would be in the software-settings thing that JR is porting to KDE.
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: doesn' KDE have a way to set a system wide proxy?
[01:39] <Tonio_> hum....... possibly yes
[01:39] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: yes, but that doesn't work for apt
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Well doesn't it wirk for apt? :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: cause apt only looks at its config file for this :)
[01:40] <manchicken> DaSkreech: That's a proxy at the kdenetwork level.
[01:40] <Tonio_> exactly, and apt isn't meant to looks at kde settings
[01:40] <Tonio_> or use kdelibs
[01:40] <manchicken> DaSkreech: It doesn't set the proxy for the whole OS.
[01:40] <manchicken> Which I think is a good thing :)
[01:41] <Tonio_> manchicken: note that gnome, kde and the shell should use a global setting, like an env variable for unified proxy
[01:41] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Yeah yeah I got it :-P I just figured that adept would obey it but obviously apt wont
[01:41] <Tonio_> that would be so much better..........
[01:41] <manchicken> Tonio_: Yeah... but that's more scope creep than any one man could handle ;)
[01:41] <manchicken> Wow, my chroot is WAY behind in updates.
[01:42] <Tonio_> manchicken: should be part of lsb then....
[01:42] <manchicken> lsb?
[01:42] <Tonio_> Linux Standard Base
[01:42] <manchicken> Naw.
[01:42] <manchicken> We don't want KDE or apt or adept or gnome being dependent on kernel settings like that IMHO.
[01:43] <manchicken> Remember, I'm an advocate of alternative kernels ;)
[01:43] <LNX1> Hi !
[01:43] <Tonio_> manchicken: that's your point and I understand that :)
[01:43] <manchicken> If setting it in the apt.conf file will fix it, that's cool by my :)
[01:43] <LNX1> Little question on USB automounting under feisty
[01:43] <manchicken> me*
[01:43] <Tonio_> manchicken: but I think it SHOULD be possible to set a global proxy env that ANY software would consider
[01:43] <manchicken> LNX1: Did you try #ubuntu+1?
[01:44] <LNX1> yes
[01:44] <Tonio_> manchicken: btw kde isn't a linux specific DM so.....
[01:44] <manchicken> Tonio_: environment variables make sense.
[01:44] <LNX1> you don't use 7.04 here ?
[01:44] <manchicken> LNX1: This isn't a support channel.
[01:44] <Tonio_> LNX1: we are developing kubuntu 7.04 ;)
[01:44] <LNX1> ok;o)
[01:44] <LNX1> good ! thanks you all devlopper, good job !
[01:44] <Tonio_> LNX1: but if you already asked on ubuntu+1, and that might evidence a bug, you can still ask
[01:45] <Tonio_> +here
[01:45] <LNX1> good, Maybe you can tell me, in KDE, what make my laptop VOlumeUP/down mute working ?
[01:45] <Tonio_> kmilo
[01:45] <Tonio_> a kded service
[01:45] <LNX1> kmilo ...thanks !
[01:46] <LNX1> :)
[01:46] <Tonio_> LNX1: if kmilo doesn't support your laptop, look at the kmilo-legacy package, eventually
[01:46] <LNX1> yes is working
[01:46] <Tonio_> LNX1: usefull package for thinkpads and other specific configs
[01:46] <LNX1> but I want to know how to make it working whiout the use of Xmodmap under other distro
[01:46] <Tonio_> LNX1: was that your question ?
[01:47] <LNX1> yes thanks a lot !
[01:47] <LNX1> godd job again ! thanks
[01:47] <Tonio_> pleasure to help :)
[01:47] <LNX1> I very like my kubuntu box ;)
[01:47] <manchicken> Tonio_: You're gonna be at UDS, right?
[01:47] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes :)
[01:47] <DaSkreech> Stupid OopenOffice got reinstalled
[01:47] <DaSkreech>  /me kicks Kubuntu-desktop
[01:47] <manchicken> Tonio_: We need to talk about more of these ideas there, too.
[01:48] <manchicken> I like new ideas.
[01:48] <manchicken> :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> manchicken: I have plenty of ideas in a list :)
[01:48] <manchicken> Though I'd like to maybe see if I can work on another program as well.
[01:48] <Tonio_> manchicken: don't worry, if we share the same room, which can happen, we'll have time to debate this all the night :)
[01:48] <manchicken> Adept is a big important one, yes, but I'd also like to play with another one as well :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> manchicken: sure :)
[01:49] <manchicken> Dude, if you want to room I'm game.
[01:49] <manchicken> As long as you're not anti-fat-bearded-geek.
[01:49] <manchicken> :)
[01:49] <Tonio_> manchicken: we don't decide, but they generally group people by catgory
[01:49] <manchicken> Ah.
[01:49] <Tonio_> we are both kubuntu-devs so.......
[01:49] <LNX1> I see that there package for kde4 for edgy....there is for feisty ?
[01:49] <Tonio_> I don't think hobbsee want to share my room
[01:49] <Tonio_> can be dangerous if I drink to much beer :)
[01:50] <manchicken> Tonio_: I don't think my wife would let me come home if I roomed with any of the ladies.
[01:50] <Tonio_> manchicken: hehe :)
[01:50] <DaSkreech> LNX1: There will be :)
[01:50] <manchicken> At least not without a stab wound.
[01:50] <Tonio_> LNX1: yes there is, but that's very, super, extra experimental
[01:50] <LNX1> loll oki ;)
[01:50] <LNX1> I will wait a bit
[01:51] <Tonio_> manchicken: my girlfriend would probably only accept after having seen a photo
[01:51] <manchicken> Tonio_: And you're worried about your english.
[01:51] <Tonio_> kind of Roseanne Bar girl, she would probably accept
[01:51] <DaSkreech> LNX1: Soon as the next release of KDE4 ships
[01:51] <manchicken> Tonio_: My wife wouldn't approve even if it was just a photo of a man wearing a wig... even if the man had a moustache.
[01:51] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes I worried because the public was croatian.... any error would make the phrase ununderstandable for them
[01:52] <LNX1> thanks
[01:52] <jjesse> Tonio_: did you hear anything about that job?
[01:52] <manchicken> Heh
[01:52] <Tonio_> which is different for people of english mother tongue
[01:52] <Tonio_> jjesse: about which job ? ^^
[01:52] <jjesse> Tonio_: was it you i helped w/ a resume?
[01:52] <manchicken> Another kwifi update.
[01:52] <Tonio_> ah yes
[01:52] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Heehee kmilo doen't turn up if you search for laptop in adept :-)
[01:53] <Tonio_> jjesse: didn't get it.... too technical profile with too little management experience
[01:53] <jjesse> Tonio_: bummer sorry to hear that
[01:53] <Tonio_> jjesse: but I have other opportunities, even much better
[01:53] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I don't think kmilo is specifically for laptops.
[01:53] <Tonio_> if that happens, I'll make an announce here, but that's not the point to talk about that at the moment
[01:53] <DaSkreech> It has laptop in the description
[01:53] <DaSkreech> .. I think
[01:54] <manchicken> Yeah.
[01:54] <jjesse> cool
[01:54] <Tonio_> manchicken: knetworkmanager ? yes I uploaded with a fix
[01:54] <manchicken> I'm not sure if it's one of the tags though.
[01:54] <manchicken> Tonio_: Yeah.  Hopefully it works.
[01:54] <manchicken> Tonio_: knetworkmanager has been happier as of late.
[01:54] <Tonio_> manchicken: patch is untested, so we'll see
[01:54] <manchicken> Nice.
[01:54] <Tonio_> the only thing is that it has been reported it doesn't break anything ;)
[01:55] <DaSkreech> manchicken: So your job if you bed with Tonio_ is to make sure he doesn't get drunk? :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> manchicken: that's for the wpa-eap passwords to be correctly handled by kwallet
[01:55] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: no risk :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> even drunk, I CANNOT become gay :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: my italian genes protect :)
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Fugehdaboutit
[01:56] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: why is the wallet on by default ? because it is a bit hard to use kde without it :)
[01:57] <DaSkreech> It is?
[01:57] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Remember, I live in a city in the middle of a cornfield.  I'm a rather conservative midwestern protestant Christian.  Drunk or not, men don't go there :)
[01:57] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: bah konqueror uses it to store passwords, knetworkmanager too, kmail too, kopete too.......
[01:58] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: you may disabl it, but none of your passwords will be saved....
[01:58] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I wasn't talking about the end *grin* destination It's feeling of the way there :)
[01:58] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Heck, I'm ALMOST a republican.
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Hm.
[01:58] <DaSkreech> The Pop up windows are annoying though
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Must it require a master password?
[01:58] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: there are none if you set a blank password to access the wallet
[01:58] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: this is what most people do
[01:58] <DaSkreech> oh!
[01:59] <DaSkreech> I wasn't aware of this
[01:59] <DaSkreech> I must go and inform ... well *
[01:59] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: no security issues since the wallet is encrypted and only accessible by your account
[01:59] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: not aware ? just ask :)
[02:00] <jjesse> hmm i just ran adept_updater under feisty and it now says "A new version of Kubuntu is available! Click next if you wish to upgrade now."  And there is no next button :(
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Well when I did someone said just go to Kcontrol and disable it
[02:00] <manchicken> Okie dokie.  I'm gonna go hang out with my wife for a while.  Catch you geeks later.
[02:01] <DaSkreech> want a picture you can show her? :)
[02:01] <manchicken> No, I've already seen goatse.
[02:01] <manchicken> Do you?
[02:02] <manchicken> Doesn't she have one on launchpad?
[02:02] <DaSkreech> I don't know. Doesn't sound like her
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Ha ha She's at the top of Google :)
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Though it still suggests Hobbes
[02:03] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah that is her :)
[02:03] <manchicken> https://launchpad.net/~hobbsee
[02:04] <manchicken> Later all.
[02:04] <manchicken> Catch you all later.
[02:12] <DaSkreech> !ppc
[02:12] <ubotu> ppc is PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up until edgy, and is now a community port.
[02:12] <DaSkreech> !mac
[02:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <DaSkreech> !apple
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <DaSkreech> Grr
[02:28] <DaSkreech> Jucato: pong
[02:28] <Jucato> huh?
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Is there a torrent for the ppc version of edgy?
[02:29] <Jucato> let me check
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Brillant
[02:30] <DaSkreech>  never mind found it :)
[02:30] <Jucato> :D
[03:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:33] <bddebian> Well hello there Jucato, long time no see ;-P
[03:33] <Jucato> oh yeah. long time. where have you been? :D
[04:10] <jjesse> ok quick question, in order to rip mp3s in k3b it asks me to install the k3b mad ripper?
[04:10] <jjesse> !info mad
[04:10] <ubotu> Package mad does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[04:11] <jjesse> !info mad feisty
[04:11] <ubotu> Package mad does not exist in feisty
[04:12] <Jucato> !lame
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lame - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Jucato> O.o
[04:13] <Jucato> search lame
[04:13] <Jucato> !find lame
[04:13] <jjesse> hmmm
[04:13] <ubotu> Found: flamethrower, glame, systemimager-server-flamethrowerd, toolame, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse (and 5 others)
[04:13] <Jucato> weird...
[04:15] <Jucato> !info lame
[04:15] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[04:15] <Jucato> ah there
[04:15] <jjesse> i wonder if the whole reference in k3b to mad will throw people off
[04:18] <Jucato> but now that you mention it... I think it's a bit wrong... as you don't decode when you rip from Audio CD to MP3
[04:18] <jjesse> this is the first time i've tried to rip anything
[04:18] <jjesse> and i know that k3b is now used instead of kaudiocreator
[04:18] <jjesse> in feisty
[04:19] <jjesse> and when i opened up k3b it referenced a libmad and the k3b mad plugin
[04:19] <Jucato> same here, even if I already have libmad installed
[04:19] <Jucato> I think it's an upstream issue
[04:20] <Jucato> ah wait... let me read that again
[04:20] <Jucato> jjesse: ah we had it the other way around
[04:20] <jjesse> Jucato: sorry?
[04:20] <Jucato> that error message is saying that it lacks the library to create Audio CD's from MP3s
[04:21] <Jucato> not rip MP3's from Audio CD's
[04:21] <greeneggsnospam> k3b can rip?
[04:21] <Jucato> yep
[04:21] <jjesse> ah
[04:21] <jjesse> got it confused
[04:21] <jjesse> greeneggsnospam: yes it can which is why kaudiocreator was dropped
[04:21] <greeneggsnospam> didn't know, i just burn...
[04:21] <Jucato> :)
[04:21] <Jucato> !info libk3b2-mp3
[04:21] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[04:22] <Jucato> jjesse: in that case, this is what you need ^^^
[04:22] <jjesse> how would i know that? what did you search or lookup?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> greeneggsnospam: :P
[04:22] <Jucato> jjesse: the restricted formats wiki
[04:23] <jjesse> i did an apt-cache search mad and also an apt-cache search | grep k3b
[04:23] <jjesse> Jucato: oh course read the document :) :)
[04:23] <greeneggsnospam> Hobbsee: hahhaa
[04:24] <Jucato> :)
[04:34] <manchicken> Ack!
[04:35] <manchicken> I think that adept-2.1.2ubuntu24 was sprung from a bad branch.
[04:35] <Jucato> what for, btw? :D
[04:35] <manchicken> It's missing the supported package indicator.
[04:36] <Jucato> O.o
[04:36] <manchicken> I noticed that JR's branch didn't have this earlier, so I went to apt-get source adept, and it's missing from 2.1.2u24 as well.
[04:36] <manchicken> Which is pretty funny, because Tonio even mentioned that he hadn't tested his patch.  heh
[04:36] <manchicken> This thing needs an automated test suite.
[04:36] <manchicken> Big time.
[04:37] <Jucato> which package indicator btw?
[04:37] <manchicken> The kubuntu logo thingy
[04:37] <Jucato> as of today's updates, it's still here
[04:38] <Jucato> running update/upgrade again
[04:38] <manchicken> Right, but todays updates only take you to 2.1.2u23
[04:38] <manchicken> This is on 2.1.2u24
[04:38] <manchicken> I think I'm only getting that one because I have tonio's repo in my sources.
[04:39] <Jucato> aah
[04:40] <Jucato> hm... another bug... columns are no longer sortable
[04:40] <Jucato> in Adept I mean
[04:41] <manchicken> Interesting.
[04:41] <manchicken> I think that and the missing expandable icon are both based on problems with hard-coded column numbers.
[04:42] <Jucato> probably. you'd know best :)
[04:42] <manchicken> I'm trying to prove that, but I can't find an adept branch that isn't broken.
[04:42] <manchicken> Well I thought I'd gotten them all using named constants before...  but I guess I missed a few spots.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dist-upgrader works
[04:46] <manchicken> Ooh, X11::GUITest
[07:23] <Jucato> hm... Hobbsee is your Ctrl+Alt+Esc (shortcut for xkill) still working?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: good question.  i thought so
[07:23] <Jucato> so it's not working now? O.o
[07:26] <yuriy> what's ctrl+alt+esc do?
[07:26] <Jucato> default KDE shortcut for xkill
[07:26] <Jucato> (turns the cursor into a skull, closes anything you click on)
[07:26] <yuriy> ooh cool
[07:27] <yuriy> remind me not to use that
[07:27] <Jucato> :D
[07:27] <jsgotangco> such a weird keyboard shortcut though, so unnatural for the fingers
[07:27] <Jucato> roflmao :)
[07:27] <Jucato> I guess it was meant not to be easily used :D
[07:27] <yuriy> jsgotangco: more natural than ctrl+alt+del :D
[07:27] <Jucato> unlike ctrl+alt+del? :D
[07:28] <jsgotangco> if you're in a laptop, ctrl+alt+esc is painful
[07:28] <jsgotangco> when attempting with one finger
[07:28] <yuriy> one hand you mean
[07:28] <jsgotangco> its no different with ctrl+alt+del though
[07:28] <Jucato> :)
[07:28] <jsgotangco> yuriy: yes my bad
[07:29] <jsgotangco> Jucato: like i said, my bad
[07:29] <yuriy> maybe toshiba should make linux laptops and put the esc key between ctrl and alt
[07:29] <yuriy> (like they currently do with del)
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh, xkill?  i changed that
[07:29] <jsgotangco> yuriy: yeah that would work
[07:29] <Jucato> jsgotangco: yeah. just thinking :)
[07:29] <Jucato> rather, wondering :)
[07:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you changed it for all of Kubuntu? or for you only?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> Jucato: me only
[07:31] <Jucato> ah ok...
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: good luck in -ops :P
[07:32] <Jucato> haha thanks for the support... not going to mention his "threat" to me in private :)
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ugh, what was that?
[07:33] <Jucato> just a simple "<SOLLOG_KNEW> you're gonna wish you never did that"
[07:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh.
[07:34] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:34] <Hobbsee> must be from too much customer service....
[07:35] <Jucato> lol
[07:35] <jsgotangco> im not following?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: a troll in #kubuntu now complaining in -ops
[07:35] <jsgotangco> ohh
[07:36] <Jucato> my first op-related complaint. yay! :)
[07:36] <jsgotangco> i just noticed how konqueror nicely installed flash from adobe and even had the plugin installed for all the browsers installed
[07:39] <Jucato> yeah there was a script added by Tonio_ for that... although my only "worry" is that it doesn't go through package management, but just installs in $HOME
[07:39] <Jucato> afaik
[07:42] <jsgotangco> Jucato: why should it go to package management? $HOME is just fine, its just a plugin, even mozilla does that
[07:43] <Jucato> jsgotangco: true I guess... although I don't know what would happen when an update is made available. like the Flash 7 & Flash 9 situation on Edgy (which also had that script)
[07:44] <jsgotangco> the browser should be smart enough to know at least if it has proper plugin management, like how firefox behaves with its add-ons
[07:45] <Jucato> hm... I just don't know if Tonio's script does that too... I guess we'll only know if there's an update to Flash 9 :D
[07:47] <yuriy> wow an app that actually detects a full disk
[07:48] <jsgotangco> it can scan but I don't think scanning is automatic there are pre-defined paths
[07:48] <yuriy> now for the second part of the reaction: oh crap my disk is full
[07:50] <Jucato> kwitter? :D
[10:17] <glatzor> Riddell: morning. have you seen the bug report about the incomplete translation in the software-properties-kde interface?
[10:17] <glatzor> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/95237
[10:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 95237 in software-properties "l10n broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:22] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what's the current version of basket available on feisty? is 1.0-1 == 1.0.1?
[10:23] <glatzor> Riddell: I split the l10n bug. Here is the KDE issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/102773
[10:23] <ubotu> Malone bug 102773 in software-properties "l10n broken in the KDE frontend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nope.  it will be 1.0.1
[10:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah ok thanks :)
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: means debian revision 1 of 1.0
[10:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah... what's the diff between 1.0-1 and 1.0-1ubuntu0 (if there's such a thing)?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there's no -1ubuntu0
[10:32] <Hobbsee> it's only 1ubuntu1, if we were going to merge
[10:32] <Jucato> ah gotcha! gotta keep that in mind :)
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've got a sync request in for 1.0.1
[10:33] <Jucato> 1.0-1ubuntu1 would mean that it's the first ubuntu version for Debian's 1.0-1 version right?
[10:33] <Jucato> version/revision/change
[10:33] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:33] <Jucato> I was good at this sort of thing in before college :(
[10:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh :)
[10:38] <Jucato> really... college and philosophy kinda ruined my memory :P
[10:39] <Jucato> either that or my memory's failing at an early age (which is scarier)
[11:03] <gnomefreak> how do i generate a release.gpg for a repo?
[11:48] <giangy> 'morning
[12:58] <LongPointyStick> hi giangy
[12:58] <giangy> hi LongPointyStick
[01:00] <LongPointyStick> :)
[01:00] <giangy> I've a kontact backtrace (it crash when I try to open it), I'm opening a bug report into LP
[01:00] <LongPointyStick> giangy: report it upstream
[01:00] <LongPointyStick> (saves me doign it)
[01:00] <giangy> mh okey
[01:06] <Tonio_> hi
[01:06] <giangy> hi Tonio_
[01:08] <giangy> LongPointyStick: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143832
[01:08] <ubotu> KDE bug 143832 in general "Kontact crashes when I try to launch it" [Crash,Unconfirmed] 
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[02:14] <giangy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/102316
[02:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 102316 in k3b "K3B disables DMA" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:14] <giangy> I reproduce the "problem" disabling DMA
[02:14] <giangy> and, after that, re-enabling DMA
[02:15] <giangy> so I hope that what I mean is correct ;)
[02:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[02:18] <giangy> hi Riddell :)
[02:20] <Riddell> ciao giangy
[02:20] <giangy> hoho speak you italian? :))
[02:20] <Riddell> jings no
[02:21] <Riddell> I'm only italian by marrage on my brothers side
[02:21] <giangy> ah okey :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just notices the po files of universe apps are not exported
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume that's normal
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: but why did you let me patch universe apps for 2 years ? ^_^
[02:22] <Riddell> exported?
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: imported to rosetta sorry
[02:22] <Riddell> oh
[02:22] <asyd> hello Riddell
[02:22] <Riddell> well the plan is to import them into rosetta one day
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay
[02:22] <Riddell> I've been patching them too
[02:23] <Riddell> but aye, it's not too important
[02:23] <Riddell> hi asyd
[02:23] <asyd> very thanks for your welcome, I met Tonio_ this Monday, was very interesting :)
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, but if we really want an important app to be translated via rosetta, aka kerry for example
[02:23] <asyd> and useful for us
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only current way is to have them in main then...
[02:23] <giangy> http://librarian.launchpad.net/7114009/k3b.png ( 3079864 x speed? mh LOL..)
[02:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: why kerry?
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: was just an example since I was looking at kerry with asyd ;)
[02:25] <asyd> :)
[02:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I could have say any other nice app
[02:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: so if we want kerry to be nicelly translated, the solution is to edit the po file with kbabel I guess
[02:25] <Tonio_> asyd: I'll explain you the details by mail
[02:26] <asyd> np
[02:26] <Tonio_> asyd: I jsut wanted to be sure the right way as rosetta is sometimes making the process different of the standard linux way to translate an app
[02:26] <Riddell> the solution is to translate it upstream
[02:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the info
[02:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course, translate locally and reverse upstream
[02:28] <asyd> Riddell: sure, we have some fix/patch to reverse
[02:28] <asyd> but you need understand the time for the projet is very short :/
[02:29] <asyd> I think we'll send all contributions in one time
[02:30] <Tonio_> asyd: makes sense to do it once the project is over, as it is not more than I month from now I guess
[02:30] <asyd> yup
[02:35] <giangy> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/99448
[02:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 99448 in k3b "k3b 1.0: ripping dvd doesnt work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:35] <giangy> true, there's a "problem"
[02:36] <Tonio_> giangy: doesn't it require libdvdread ?
[02:36] <giangy> k3b's dvd ripping needs libdvdread support (actually only lists files into the DVD-rom)
[02:36] <Tonio_> giangy: will look at that toonight, I'm working on something else now, but that'll be done
[02:37] <giangy> oki :)
[02:37] <Tonio_> giangy: k3b should recommend libdvdread then, does it do it ?
[02:38] <giangy> Tonio_: http://k3b.plainblack.com/videoencoding (dependencies)
[02:38] <giangy> yep
[02:39] <Tonio_> giangy: we cannot have k3b depend on multiverse apps
[02:39] <Tonio_> giangy: best thing is probably to ask medibuntu to fork our package with all of the dependancies, as they do with kaffeine and MP3
[02:39] <Tonio_> giangy: we cannot do more on the ubuntu side...
[02:40] <Tonio_> giangy: especially when those are build depends
[02:41] <giangy> mh, ah okey
[02:44] <giangy> Tonio_: so the problem is that isn't possible to recompile k3b with libdvdread support?
[02:48] <Tonio_> giangy: yep
[02:48] <Tonio_> giangy: that would make k3b package depend on it, which is impossible
[02:48] <Tonio_> giangy: that's why medibutu is rebuilding some of our main packages, whith more options
[02:48] <Tonio_> giangy: we can't do that in ubuntu, there is no way to workarround
[02:49] <Tonio_> giangy: same problem with kaffeine that needs to be built with lame for mp3 support on audio ripping
[02:49] <Tonio_> giangy: that's a common issue
[02:49] <Tonio_> giangy: if you want that enabled, ping medibuntu and they'll do :)
[02:50] <mhb> Tonio_: not the nicest solution, I guess
[02:50] <giangy> mh okey, okey, understand (however it's an arguable case)
[02:51] <mhb> Tonio_: although I understand your point, I really think we should somehow try to solve problems like this
[02:55] <marseillais> Tonio_, you couldn't have a k3b packa in main without libdvdread support and another in universe with libdvdread support? like that adding universe repo would add video support to k3b by upgrading it and installing libdvdread ?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> marseillais: no
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jsut...no
[02:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well technically that's possible
[02:58] <Tonio_> several builds with several build options
[02:58] <Tm_T> hmm, is there planned to do new version of Ubuntu book?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true
[02:58] <Tonio_> each deb conflicts/replace the other
[02:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: proftpd does that for several options (pgsql or mysql support for example)
[02:58] <marseillais> Tonio_, but ?
[02:58] <Tonio_> marseillais: but that's a nightmare to maintain
[02:58] <Hobbsee> marseillais: but it's a pain to maintain
[02:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly
[02:58] <Tonio_> and will prevent us from syncking with debian
[02:59] <Tonio_> we don't want that to happen
[02:59] <Tonio_> marseillais: the issue is due to the main / multiverse separation and the main inclusion policy
[02:59] <marseillais> oki
[03:00] <marseillais> because we have apps wich does great things and i think it's a pity to loose this ....
[03:00] <Tonio_> marseillais: debian is different on that point, so our package would become a pain to maintain
[03:00] <marseillais> oki
[03:01] <Tonio_> that's why the medibuntu project exists
[03:01] <mhb> it is still a nasty bug, though
[03:01] <Tonio_> and takes the responsability of legal issues
[03:01] <Tonio_> so please juste ask medibuntu to do it, as we will not go any further.....
[03:01] <Tonio_> that's not reasonable
[03:02] <mhb> Tonio_: eh?
[03:02] <mhb> Tonio_: "we will not go any further" ?
[03:02] <Tonio_> mhb: on the "multi build option" thing
[03:02] <Tonio_> mhb: can be done as long as we can sync the changes with debian
[03:02] <Tonio_> done with proftpd for example
[03:02] <mhb> Tonio_: you still have to admit that it is a bug
[03:02] <mhb> Tonio_: and such features should be available in Kubuntu
[03:02] <Tonio_> but that's not possible with k3b so....
[03:03] <Tonio_> mhb: no that's not a bug
[03:03] <Tonio_> mhb: we don't use ALL of the builddeps
[03:03] <Tonio_> those are OPTIONNAL and not using them doesn't mean there is a bug
[03:03] <Tonio_> it is just that one of the optional functionnalities are missing
[03:03] <Tonio_> mhb: what do you propose ?
[03:03] <Tonio_> mhb: become an illegal distro ?
[03:04] <mhb> Tonio_: or waiting til nobody uses it because we lack features common people need?
[03:04] <Tonio_> libdvdread is in universe, no legal issues :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> haha ! transcode is multiverse
[03:04] <giangy> mh gh
[03:04] <Tonio_> mhb: that's why we have to ask medibuntu
[03:05] <Tonio_> mhb: if you want multimedia features, medibuntu is the project for that
[03:05] <mhb> Tonio_: is it a good solution to depend on semi-legal projects?
[03:05] <Tonio_> what is the problem ?
[03:05] <Tonio_> mhb: should we include w32codecs then ?
[03:05] <Tonio_> same problem
[03:05] <Tonio_> same origins (legal issues do to patents)
[03:05] <mhb> Tonio_: yes, it is
[03:05] <Tonio_> same solution -> medibuntu
[03:05] <asyd> please don't speak about legal problem with codecs :p
[03:05] <mhb> Tonio_: but more issues seem to arise that way
[03:06] <giangy> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/102345
[03:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 102345 in kde-guidance "kde guidance does not display cpu frequency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:06] <Tonio_> mhb: I'd like to be able to do so, but we CANNOT
[03:06] <Tonio_> end of the discussion anything else is a waste of time
[03:06] <giangy> peace and love :)
[03:07] <Tonio_> of course, I'm not angry
[03:07] <Tonio_> just that there is no solution to that issue, so........ ;)
[03:07] <mhb> Tonio_: ending discussions like that doesn't seem to be very CoC-like
[03:07] <Tonio_> mhb: what else 2 say ?
[03:07] <Tonio_> no need to debatte, that will not change....
[03:07] <Tonio_> only one solution for this : external repo with the packages on it, which medibuntu does
[03:08] <mhb> Tonio_: perhaps waiting until all the participants stop talking is a more polite way of ending it
[03:08] <Tonio_> I'm sorry to say this, but discuss about what ?
[03:08] <mhb> Tonio_: well, we can discuss your bad manners now :o)
[03:08] <Tonio_> mhb: hum, so I should wait that everyone has finished to start working again ?
[03:08] <Tonio_> I'm a nice guy, but I don't like to waste my time :)
[03:09] <mhb> Tonio_: you can always close the window, you know :o)
[03:09] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> mhb: sorry for beeing a bit arch on that point, but that has been discussed for dozens of ours already
[03:10] <Tonio_> there is no solution
[03:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: the COC-like response would be the use of !stop
[03:10] <Tonio_> -> unmaintainable thing
[03:10] <Tonio_> -> illegal thing
[03:10] <Hobbsee> as you're interrupting development discussion, after being told no.
[03:10] <Tonio_> -> legal but without any dvd read functions
[03:10] <Tonio_> you have the choice :)
[03:11] <giangy> we have to fight with the law.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: now, if i told you that you were a **(&%@ $WY*(W$R *WE$OTYWE more expletives here person for discussing it, then it'd be a violation of the COC
[03:11] <gnomefreak> quick question. i made a repo and made the Release file and signed on so now i have Release.gpg  what file do i add to repo? both?
[03:11] <gnomefreak> s/on/it
[03:12] <mhb> Hobbsee: I like you too :o)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> mhb: :P
[03:13] <mhb> I just intended to point out that I sometimes feel we are closing our eyes and ears to problems like this ... I didn't mean to disrupt you, Tonio_ , sorry for that :o)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: true, possibly.  but we cant do things that arent legal.
[03:14] <mhb> Hobbsee: I understand that completely
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mhb: and usually manpower wants to be used in more worthwhile things
[03:15] <Tonio_> mhb: we are not closing our eyes, we are doing the maximum with what is legally possible to do
[03:16] <Tonio_> mhb: this is not having the eyes closed, just respecting the law, nothing else.....
[03:17] <Tonio_> mhb: but as long as there is a way to do legally , we do it -> amarok script for mp3 support
[03:17] <Tonio_> mhb: just as when it is a builddep, and not a simple dep, there is no solution except rebuilding......
[03:18] <Tonio_> mhb: this isn't a matter of installing libdvdread and transcode, otherwise we would have one a script for this
[03:19] <mhb> Tonio_: thanks for the comments
[03:19] <Tonio_> mhb: k3b has to compiled with those libs and softwares, and then deps are getting to it via shlibs
[03:20] <Tonio_> mhb: I am sorry, I just have to go, not a way to leave the discussion :) girlfriend juste asking
[03:20] <mhb> Tonio_: no problem, you spent enough time on that ... thanks
[03:20] <mhb> Tonio_: see you later
[03:21] <Tonio_> mhb: no problem :)
[04:03] <Lure> mhb, Tonio_, marseillais: bug 102895
[04:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 102895 in medibuntu "k3b with DVD ripping support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102895
[04:06] <Lure> marseillais: I was faster... ;-)  - bug 102896
[04:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 102896 in medibuntu "k3b1.0 compiles without libdvdread support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102896
[04:11] <marseillais> Lure, grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[04:11] <Lure> marseillais: ;-)
[04:13] <marseillais> 1 minute before
[04:13] <Lure> marseillais: I checked if it is already submited as bug or question, nothing was there, so I did it ;-)
[04:14] <marseillais> lure i checked too
[04:14] <marseillais> but certainly submitted during i wrote my bug
[04:14] <Lure> marseillais: ;-)
[04:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 57102 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu Package Manager problem: package doesn't get installed when it is in a directory with spaces on its name" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:26] <nixternal> good mornin' kubunteros!
[04:27] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal1
[04:27] <nixternal> hola Hobbsee
[04:43] <marseillais> Lure, during i wrote my bug you posted yours and during i rejected it your mark it as duplicate ....
[04:45] <kwwii> great minds think alike
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya
[05:08] <giangy> re
[07:55] <yuriy> well this is interesting
[07:56] <Jucato> hm?
[07:56] <yuriy> "there was an error committing changes" and then instead of the update complete screen i get "a new version of kubuntu is available!"
[07:56] <Jucato> oh... I think some people have been getting that...
[07:56] <Jucato> (luckily I've been using aptitude through out)
[07:57] <yuriy> i usually do but occasionally use adept 'to test'
[07:57] <Jucato> heh... I forget that :)
[07:57] <yuriy> but i almost always get the "error comitting changes"
[07:57] <yuriy> i should really remember to report my own problems
[07:58] <Jucato> I'm going to probably make a wish for Adept... give more descriptive error messages...
[07:58] <yuriy> Jucato: already done i'm sure
[07:58] <Jucato> like the ones you get from apt-get
[07:58] <Jucato> nope. still says the "error committing changes" general error messages
[07:58] <yuriy> too late for Feisty though.  though maybe we can get manchicken to work some magic ;)
[07:59] <yuriy> Jucato: i meant, the wish
[07:59] <Jucato> aaah
[08:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: is bluetooth all sorted in kubuntu?  do we need to keep the session I scheduled for it at UDS?
[08:23] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, are the outsider still allowed to suggest topics/specs for the UDS?
[08:24] <Riddell> mhb: sure
[08:24] <mhb> Riddell: your last line suggested not
[08:25] <Riddell> mhb: doesn't read that way to me, tonio uploaded the fixes to bluetooth so he might know if I should keep the session in or not
[08:25] <Riddell> but suggestions from other knowledgeable types welcome
[08:29] <Lure_> Riddell: bluetooth works
[08:30] <Lure_> Riddell: I am just playing with opensync
[08:30] <Lure_> Riddell: having kitchensync/opensync by default in feisty+1 would be great
[08:48] <mhb> Riddell: are there any surveys out there asking regular users what they would like to see in feisty+1 ?
[08:51] <nixternal> mhb: none that I have seen, but that might be something cool though
[08:51] <yuriy> mhb: i'm sure if there isn't a forum thread like that already, there will be one soon.. though those are usually mainly for ubuntu
[08:52] <nixternal> oh ya, I forgot about ubuntuforums
[08:52] <nixternal> maybe we should check about starting one on Kubuntu Forums since that is the one I frequent the most
[08:55] <mhb> nixternal: perhaps
[09:41] <giangy> Tonio__: are you there?
[09:46] <Tonio__> Riddell: hum, bluetooth works, but I think we can discuss a few improvements on it
[09:46] <Tonio__> Riddell: I have a few ideas on my list
[09:47] <Tonio__> Riddell: would be nice to have a little session about that, especially since the dbus port of kdebluetooth might be released before feisty+1
[09:47] <Tonio__> giangy: people at home, I cannot stay any longuer
[09:48] <giangy> okey okey, np
[09:48] <giangy> (only if you have speak with pitti about hal)
[09:49] <Tonio__> giangy: nope he didn't connect yesterday
[09:49] <Tonio__> giangy: too late today for this....... we have to plan that for feisty+1 now... :(
[09:50] <giangy> heh okey, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+ticket/4607 we can answer to him if we are sure :)
[10:17] <manchicken> Tonio__: Did you see my alarm last night?
[10:18] <manchicken> Tonio__: Adept 2.1.2u24 is broken...
[10:37] <yuriy> manchicken: show package list doesn't quite work
[10:38] <yuriy> manchicken: it gets out of the download and last dpkg run views, but not out of the detail view
[10:38] <yuriy> also would be nice imo if the item for the view you're in were disabled
[10:39] <manchicken> I think it has a checkbox like thing in there.
[10:39] <manchicken> I'd love to get back in there, but I can't figure out where the latest code is.
[10:40] <yuriy> manchicken: it has a white square, dunno if that's supposed to be a checkbox
[10:40] <yuriy> manchicken: anyways, this is certainly an improvement, thanks for your work!
[10:41] <yuriy> oh also i checked out the music site you blogged about but all the music is licensed nd :-\
[10:44] <manchicken> Not a problem :)
[10:44] <manchicken> yuriy: Not all of it.
[10:45] <manchicken> yuriy: Much of it is CreativeCommons, and some is also public domain.
[10:46] <yuriy> manchicken: well the stuff i was looking at was CC, no derivatives. i'm looking for something to make an animation to, dunno if that qualifies as derivative
[10:47] <manchicken> There's a lot of stuff in there that's public domain, too.
[11:06] <Tonio__> manchicken: is it ?
[11:07] <Tonio__> manchicken: works here....
[11:07] <Tonio__> manchicken: I just included your patches
[11:07] <Tonio__> manchicken: what is broken ?
[11:09] <Tonio__> manchicken: just did a quick test, just launches properly....
[11:09] <Tonio__> manchicken: ping me tomorrow, I have friends at home
[11:09] <Tonio__> manchicken: no problem fixing adept after the freeze
[11:09] <Tonio__> that's critical btw :)
[11:09] <manchicken> Tonio__: Is the supported package indicator present?
[11:47] <Tonio__> manchicken: will look in a moment
[11:51] <manchicken> Righto.
[12:01] <Tonio__> manchicken: yes the indicator is there
[12:01] <Tonio__> nothing broken for me so far....
[12:02] <giangy> for me too, nothing appear broken
[12:04] <Tonio_> manchicken: I generally test packages before upload, especially when it is an important part of kubuntu like adept :)
[12:05] <danohuiginn> Hi all. Question for you...
[12:05] <danohuiginn> qalculate-kde installs duplicate menu items, because it puts entries in /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/applnk (bug 91357)
[12:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 91357 in qalculate-kde "[feisty herd 5]  qalculate has duplicate entries in kde menu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91357
[12:05] <danohuiginn> which should I get rid of?
[12:05] <manchicken> I'll look again.
[12:06] <manchicken> This was as of last night.  Have you changed anything?
[12:08] <Tonio_> manchicken: nope
[12:08] <mhb> hi
[12:09] <manchicken> Is it possible that the source package and the binary package are out of sync?
[12:10] <mhb> is there any reason why the systemsettings application has the menu bar?
[12:10] <manchicken> Tonio_: That's the only explanation that I have...
[12:11] <Tonio_> manchicken: doesn't seem possible.....
[12:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: except if the new package needs building
[12:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: but my two latest uploads were working
[12:12] <manchicken> It doesn't, but when I apt-get source adept and compile the package it gives me, it is missing the supported package indicator.
[12:12] <Tonio_> 23 and 24
[12:12] <manchicken> What's your md5 for adept_2.1.2ubuntu24.tar.bz?
[12:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: they are sync....
[12:12] <Tonio_> manchicken: let me check