=== danilo_ [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === kiko-afk is now known as kiko === blueyed_ [n=daniel@83.135.220.0] has left #launchpad ["Konversation] === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [12:30] LaserJock: There was an import of [some project] 's bugs not long after we passed 100000, which bumped it by well over 1000. [12:30] zope3, silva [12:31] yeah, I think it was silva. [12:31] one of them [12:31] hey kiko [12:31] silva is the one, I just forgot the name. [12:31] hey ajmitch! [12:34] In fact, it was around 1700 bugs. So we've only had 800 real ones. [12:36] hi kiko [12:36] hey poolie [12:36] congratulations on the release [12:36] SteveA has told me things [12:36] thanks for saying that [12:37] how can I help you? [12:47] silza and zope [12:47] silva. [12:53] woops [12:53] I thought zope was imported in the same time frame; and the z was a typo [12:54] I think zope was imported together with it, I just was fixing your typo. [12:55] thank you === owh [n=onno@optussatellitebintb.22bjipb002.optus.net.au] has joined #launchpad [01:00] Greetings all. Sexy new look, looks lovely. [01:00] thanks for saying that owh [01:01] I'm really impressed, looks almost lick-able :) [01:04] Hey, just thought of a silly question. If I look at my "home page": https://launchpad.net/~onno-itmaze, it shows that I am "most active" in Ubuntu and Nedit. Now the former is true, the latter is not. I lodged one bug report. What's strange is that I'm working my butt off on dosfstools, which doesn't show up, doesn't show that I receive all bugs, or show any activity: https://launchpad.net/nedit, https://launchpad.net/dosfstools, [01:08] owh, what sort of work have you been doing on dosfstools? [01:08] Tracking bugs, adding comments, looking for feedback, fixing source with sistpoty, adding myself as the bug contact, writing specs, you name it :) === owh is currently on a crusade to fix the dirty flag :) [01:09] owh, that's unusual. you should have some karma registered for it at least [01:10] have you filed bugs, changed bug status, registered specs, etc? [01:10] Yup. [01:10] owh==onno-itmaze==OnnoBenschop [01:10] very odd [01:11] I only noticed because I didn't think I'd done anything special to nedit, seems I was the fist to log a bug :) [01:11] s/fist/first/ [01:15] kiko: I wasn't sure how to actually log a bug, if that's what it is, in such a way that it ended up in the right place. === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad [01:16] owh, launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug [01:16] Yes, but as what? [01:16] sorry? [01:17] Sorry, that wasn't that clear :-), let me try again... [01:18] Describing the bug is fine, but, coming up with a descriptive subject was beyond me. I started with "Incorrect Karma", then "Home page shows incorrect participation", but neither felt correct. [01:18] And I still don't really know if it is by design or not. [01:19] Is my dosfstools activity bunched under Ubuntu? [01:19] maybe "My contributions to dosfstools are not recorded in karma" [01:19] ah! [01:19] is dosfstools a package? [01:19] if so, then yes it is [01:19] though you can get per-package karma by looking at ubuntu/+source/dosfstools [01:19] Not sure what you mean by the question. [01:19] if it's a distribution package. [01:20] owh: if you are working on a package in Ubuntu it goes under Ubuntu [01:20] Yes, but so is nedit. [01:20] So, does that mean that nedit is using launchpad as their bug tracker, but dosfstools is not? [01:20] owh, you probably reported something against nedit upstream. [01:20] I did, the bug was logged there and I linked the two. [01:22] right. [01:22] I'm still unsure what distinguishes the two. I would think that each package would have the same home page as https://launchpad.net/nedit [01:22] no [01:22] upstream is upstream. a version packaged for a distribution is specific to that distribution. [01:22] upstream is what releases tarballs [01:22] packages are produced by the distribution team [01:23] at large [01:23] So, https://launchpad.net/nedit represents upstream? [01:23] yes. [01:23] packages are all under ubuntu/+source [01:23] But the content of that page does not at all show reality. The bug tracker for nedit has many more bugs. [01:24] The only content inside the page is Ubuntu stuff. [01:24] not exactly === mykas0 [n=me@bl6-205-202.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #launchpad [01:25] hi everyone [01:25] they are bugs originally reported against ubuntu, but which were found to be upstream issues. [01:25] is there any way to get the old Launchpad aspect? [01:25] nope. [01:25] :\ gosh, it is too complicated than the former one [01:25] The same can be said for the dosfstools. The fact that we fixed bugs resulted in non-maintainer uploads. [01:26] In fact, I'm not sure if the maintainer is still active. I've yet to receive any response. It is possible that they're snowed under. [01:26] owh, that's not recorded in launchpad at least; all that's recorded is that the ubuntu dosfstools packages had issues [01:26] this has nothing to do with package maintainership [01:26] upstream is upstream [01:26] distribution packages are completely separate [01:26] and you can push bugs from one to the other [01:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/nedit/+bug/81103 [01:27] So, how does that work where "upstream" doesn't appear to exist any more? [01:27] Malone bug 81103 in nedit "nedit fails to launch with an X error" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to ville palo (vi64pa) [01:27] owh, in that case you have a "native package" [01:27] it's something of an oddity but there are some cases [01:28] I think casper is like this [01:28] The friendly ghost? [01:28] the livecd building suite that ubuntu uses [01:29] Ah, I only know of the ghost replacement (ghost script/pdf/ps, etc.) [01:29] so the dosfstools upstream has been abandoned? [01:30] https://launchpad.net/casper [01:30] Well, I think it would be presumptuous for me to say yes, but it's beginning to look like that. [01:31] It might well be that it's being maintained in a completely non-transparent way somewhere else and that I have not yet found that, but I'm not seeing anything that suggests that this is in fact the case. [01:32] I don't know enough about how processes work within Ubuntu to make a final statement of fact about this. [01:32] I think it would be completely inappropriate for me to do anything more than suggest what I just did. [01:32] owh, I'm not sure I understand you. do you understand that upstream has /nothing/ to do with Ubuntu? [01:32] I do. [01:33] are you talking about the dosfstools package in ubuntu? [01:33] What I mean is this. [01:33] or about the upstream project? [01:33] No [01:33] Yes [01:33] I see no activity. [01:33] is there a website or mailing list? [01:33] I can't seem to find much about it [01:33] who's the original author? [01:33] Well, nothing that I have seen that does anything. [01:34] Well, the current maintainer is Roman Hodek. [01:34] The code was written by several people. [01:34] Gimmie a mo. [01:34] how do they do releases? [01:34] that assumes they have releases ;-) === _neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44709.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === sinzui is now known as sinzui-afk [01:36] The readme talks about v1 alpha and was last updated in 2004. The Changelog was updated in 2005, and talks about the current version, 2.11. [01:36] the last upstream release in Debian was in 2005 [01:36] Yeah [01:37] I suspect that Roman is also part of Debian. [01:37] so not necessarily dead :-) [01:37] but mostly dead [01:37] ai ai [01:37] I'm seeing more and more bugs relating to it. [01:38] What I'm still tracking down is if the bugs are related to the Kernel FAT support, or dosfstools. [01:38] The code was designed in 1995 when HDD's were much smaller. DVD's didn't exist and 4Gb files were larger than most partitions. [01:39] in any case, I *think* upstream != LP upstream != Ubuntu package [01:39] We've fixed several overflow errors, but there seem to be issues with file names and character encodings. [01:39] so karma can come by working in ubuntu or upstream in LP [01:39] LaserJock: I think I understand that :) [01:39] there is no upstream dosfstools in launchpad, is there? [01:39] Well, there is a page, but no content. [01:40] kiko: yes, there's a product for it [01:41] New bug: #102652 in launchpad "Content-Encoding: gzip and Content-type: application/gzipped-tar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102652 [01:41] upstream products still confuse me, but there's at least a product page for it === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [01:42] Heh, at least I don't feel so dumb any more :) [01:42] I just keep my head in Ubuntu [01:43] That's what I thought I was doing, then I saw Nedit :) [01:43] See, I should have just left well enough alone :) [01:44] owh: hehe, well you are the top contributor to nedit [01:44] ROTFL [01:44] the *only* contributor [01:44] but still the top [01:44] ;-) [01:44] Now if I had that status for dosfstools, it would be useful :) === owh applies for s/nedit/dosfstools/ in launchpad with tongue firmly planted in cheek. [01:54] FYI, the current "maintainer" page is here: http://www.hodek.net/maintain.html. The page was last updated Feb, 2006. The supposed current source for dosfstools is here: ftp://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/Linux/LOCAL/dosfstools/, but that doesn't seem to respond. [01:55] To my eye, the project seems abandoned. It appears as if Roman picked it up because it had been abandoned by the previous authors. [02:00] New bug: #102658 in malone "In Feisty, Firefox goes black when playing MPEG in totem-mozilla" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102658 === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-156.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [02:03] Goooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! === jml [n=jml@dsl-210-15-197-192-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.138.132.235] has joined #launchpad [02:43] hi mpt === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === LaserJock goes to check his daily mpt bug spamming [02:51] New bug: #102671 in blueprint "Blueprint lifecycle is expanded by default; looks collapsible but isn't" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102671 === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [03:04] LaserJock, you get bugspam from me? why? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad [03:15] New bug: #102674 in launchpad-answers ""Support Tracker Janitor" is an out-of-date name" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102674 [03:26] New bug: #102676 in malone "Bug comments use the phrase "$user said on $date"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102676 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad === caravena [n=caravena@103-162-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #launchpad [03:53] Is there a reason that a Malone search for [can-not-install] or [needs-packaging] in Ubuntu returns results that don't contain the search term? [04:00] Fujitsu, search is voodoo [04:01] You don't say. [04:03] So, um... is there any way to find those bugs, which are some of the more important ones? [04:12] there must be [04:12] but right now I am so sleepy I can't figure out how [04:12] mpt, help? [04:13] hi kiko [04:13] hi Hobbsee === Hobbsee hands kiko some coffee [04:13] you are a cruel person [04:13] and it is so hot here I am going to die [04:13] why? === Hobbsee has a Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - of course she's cruel! [04:13] if i drink coffee I will never manage to sleep [04:13] it is already very hard as it is [04:14] damned dna tests! now they have ullrich linked to puerto. sigh. [04:15] heh [04:23] kiko: What temperature are you experiencing? [04:23] like 38C [04:23] and it's 11:30pm === owh is in Oz with some experience :) [04:23] kiko: I'm guessing no wind. [04:23] yeah, something's broken in the climate here this year [04:24] it's always lovely in april [04:24] wtf is going on. [04:24] It should be fine here, but it's like 13 outside. Melbourne has really annoying weather. [04:24] Well, extremely cold shower will cool your body. Then wet a towel and lay that over the top of you. [04:24] heh [04:25] Extra cooling in the form of a fan over the top of the towel :) [04:25] 38C jeezzz [04:25] I had 38C coming out of the cinema in Kalgoorlie last month, at 10:30 at night, it was an experience :) [04:25] nice and warm [04:26] kiko: What kind of roof do you have? [04:26] I don't know how you call this in english [04:26] An extremely efficient cooling method is to install a sprinkler onto your roof, run it very slowly, the water evaporates, cooling the house dramatically. [04:27] Of course it does assume access to water, which is not always the case. === owh goes back to fixing bugs. === kiko is now known as kiko-zzz [04:29] let me try these techniques.. [04:33] PS, it does assume a humidity less than 100% :) === owh [n=onno@59.154.24.148] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [04:41] fabbione: Are you around? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [04:48] NM [05:02] Fujitsu, Launchpad's search doesn't do multiple words well [05:02] can-not-install should find "can-not-install" and "can not install" and "can.not/install", but I guess it probably doesn't [05:03] but not find "not can install" [05:03] I want [can-not-install] to find [can-not-install] , but apparently not. [05:03] Please report a bug [05:03] Will do. [05:04] For bonus points, tweak your example URL so that the bug reports incorrectly returned will continue to be incorrectly returned even after they're fixed/rejected [05:07] There are over 1000 returned, so that shouldn't be a problem... [05:15] New bug: #102710 in malone "Unable to search for terms like [can-not-install] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102710 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.212.225.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad [05:35] New bug: #102714 in launchpad "Distrorelease package app pages should have consistent titles and headings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102714 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #launchpad [05:50] So the notifications I receive on new members joining my team have a URL in them that doesn't seem to be working... [05:50] for example: https://launchpad.net/~coloradoteam/+member/james-nococomp [05:50] Returns Page Not Found [05:51] Where is the correct place to bug report this? [05:54] https://launchpad.net/launchpad [05:54] FunnyLookinHat: ^^ [05:54] oh figures : P [05:55] awesome, it's been reported several times over : ) === Starting logfile irclogs/launchpad.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Welcome to the Launchpad 1.0 public beta | Next user meeting: Wed 11 April 2007, 20.00UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 29 Mar 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by mpt at Mon Apr 2 07:09:32 2007 === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [06:07] anybody know what cprov's "normal" working hours are? [06:09] LaserJock: 11:00-22:00 UTC [06:09] jml: excellent, thanks === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [06:14] Just wanted to say I love the new Launchpad! === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [06:31] New bug: #102724 in launchpad "Timeline shows incorrect ordering of release numbers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102724 === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === Rimal [n=Rimal@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@unaffiliated/statik] has joined #launchpad === jpsamara [n=jpsamara@200-158-165-47.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [07:09] Hi I don't know if this is the place to ask, but is there a launchpad like server application that is opensource? [07:10] the stuff that runs sourceforge is open source [07:10] that's about as close as I know of [07:10] jpsamara: launchpad will become opensource in due course [07:10] jpsamara: just don't ask when as I have no idea [07:12] I'll look into sourceforge, thanks.. I hope launchpad is opensourced... I think that webapps should be opensourced as well and I really like launchpad... [07:14] LaserJock: i believe sourceforge is closed sourced now [07:14] and there's the GForge fork [07:14] ah yes, that's what I meant [07:14] didn't know it was a fork [07:15] I thought that's what they called it :-) [07:19] thanks [07:20] New bug: #102731 in launchpad "RCS import form has non-optional optional fields" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102731 [07:20] anyone know of a good distro management software? something to help manage a distro, when youre building one.... [07:20] i have seen T2 and LFS but not much [07:20] more [07:25] New bug: #102732 in rosetta "Allow localization of icons, screenshots, etc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102732 === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === jpsamara [n=jpsamara@200-158-165-47.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === me2 [n=me2@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@212.233.34.218] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === orospakr [n=orospakr@bas11-ottawa23-1177564132.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #launchpad [08:11] hey, how does one push into a bzr tree hosted by LP? is ssh available? I can't find it documented anywhere, at least not without creating a project first. === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [08:34] orospakr: not quite sure what you're asking, but i think you can just use the bazaar client: http://bazaar-vcs.org/ === PWill is now known as PWill_ [08:35] PWill_: well, yes, but Bazaar supports multiple transports. [08:35] some secure, some not. [08:36] i don't know much about bzr, i've always used svn [08:37] i'm sure if you can do it with bzr, you can do it with launchpad, though [08:38] orospakr: If you look on the branch page on LP, it will give you a URL. [08:38] ah, good idea. [08:38] sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~someperson/someproduct/somebranch [08:38] sweet. [08:38] (hopefully they'll support bzr smartserver once smartserver stabilizes a bit) [08:39] orospakr: we certainly intend to. [08:39] I figured. ;) [08:39] orospakr: https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto [08:41] orospakr: also, https://code.launchpad.net/ and click the "Help" tab hidden on the top left side of the page. [08:41] yeah, been there already. [08:43] thanks guys. :) === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [08:46] morning! === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === BjornT_ is now known as BjornT === mrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-94.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === mongolito404 [n=pbu@colos01.info.fundp.ac.be] has joined #launchpad === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@91.64.1.251] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.212.225.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@121.Red-83-50-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [10:27] carlos: morning. could you take a look at this bug please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/97420 [10:27] Malone bug 97420 in software-properties "software-properties-kde crashes in Turkish locale" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:28] carlos: we cannot locate the error cause [10:28] let me see [10:29] could there be a problem in the translation anywhere? [10:30] carlos: sorry, I have to leave now for work. [10:30] see you [10:30] yeah, it smells like that [10:30] glatzor: don't worry, I will update the bug [10:30] glatzor: cheers [10:30] thanks [10:31] carlos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/102773 [10:31] Malone bug 102773 in software-properties "l10n broken in the KDE frontend" [Medium,Unconfirmed] - Assigned to Jonathan Riddell (jr) [10:31] there is also another l10n bug in this app [10:31] but since it works for the gtk interface it doesn't seem to be caused by the translaiton [10:31] glatzor: I guess that one is just that language packs need more update [10:32] oh [10:32] maybe === thumper [n=tim@125-236-193-95.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === schwuk_ [n=dave@85-211-207-102.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk === bigjools [n=ed@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.1.177] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-52-243.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #launchpad === leoquant [n=leonquan@g234019.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #launchpad === leoquant [n=leonquan@g234019.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #launchpad [] === tiagoboldt [n=tiagobol@87-196-52-243.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad [12:51] mrevell, hi [12:51] mrevell, thankyou for your help [12:51] mrevell, today I received a mail from Elliot [12:51] indraveni: Ah, glad to hear it! === mongolito404 [n=pbu@colos01.info.fundp.ac.be] has left #launchpad [] === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad [01:08] morning folks [01:10] indraveni [01:10] G0SUB, yes [01:10] cprov, good morning [01:10] indraveni: hello :) You form NRCFOSS-CDAC ? [01:10] cprov, did you receive my mail? [01:11] from [01:11] G0SUB, yes [01:11] indraveni: yes. I'm working on it right now. [01:11] cprov, ok thankyou [01:12] G0SUB, why? how do you know me? === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === tiagoboldt_ [n=tiagobol@87-196-52-243.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad === tiagoboldt_ is now known as tiagoboldt === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.33.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host216-173-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #launchpad === mimilus [n=davy@ADijon-257-1-189-27.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === StarScream [n=am@122-49-173-25.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #launchpad === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === sinzui [n=Curtis@pool-70-18-234-241.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.138.132.235] has joined #launchpad === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === mimilus [n=davy@ADijon-257-1-189-27.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === kkzilla [n=mrbuzz11@c-24-6-9-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === tjs [n=pomke@124.179.241.221] has joined #launchpad [03:00] does this function as a launchpad newbie help channel? [03:02] tjs: yes, what's up? [03:04] friend of mine works on launchpad, was bugging me to put one of my projects on there, we'll I've created a project and I skip on over to the 'code' tab to create a bzr repo, and all I see is a form which asks for an existing branch URL.. what if I want launchpad to host the whole thing? === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-94.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #launchpad [03:04] I have no existing branch url [03:06] you have to create a local bzr repo, then push it i think [03:06] ah [03:09] though i now entirely can't find the page which tells your the form of url to push to === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable252.1-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [03:09] tjs: you can find the instructions to upload a branch in the help panel, left hand side of the screen [03:10] ah, indee [03:10] aye, it says simply to use bzr push [03:10] d [03:10] where to push to? not stated, unless I'm on the wrong help tab [03:11] if you go to code.launchpad.net/yourproject , the help tab there has it [03:11] ah, I was on the register branch page [03:11] my bad [03:11] ah much more info, thanks :) [03:11] well, launchpad's bad too, imho === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-199-148.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === orospakr_ [n=orospakr@bas4-ottawa23-1177611784.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #launchpad === mimilus [n=davy@ADijon-257-1-189-27.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === carlos -> lunch === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.34] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [04:01] it's time for this week's non-au reviewer meeting [04:02] == Agenda == [04:02] * Roll call * Next meeting * Queue status. * How are post-merge reviews of rs/trivial commits going? (BjornT for .eu) * Training up reviewers - to discuss (BjornT for .eu) * [fasttrack] (BjornT for .eu) * Doctest style guide (BjornT) [04:02] who's here? [04:02] me [04:03] me [04:04] * Next meeting [04:05] same time next week? [04:05] mr [04:05] sorry. yeah, same time next week. [04:05] me [04:05] == Queue status == === d-arb [n=radbrad@d.cache.ru.ac.za] has joined #launchpad [04:06] the queue looks quite good. [04:06] there are only 5 open reviews [04:06] 3 of them are older than 2 days old [04:06] I'm going to do my two today [04:06] cool, that'd be great. [04:07] i'm also going to do mine today. [04:07] hi, who can I speak to about changing the email address i use to log into launchpad? [04:07] == post-merge reviews and fasttrack == [04:08] did you read the meeting summary from monday? [04:08] yep, I did [04:08] yes [04:08] it was proposed to add a [fasttrack=approver] tag for pqm [04:09] that would mean that the branch could be landed without review, but it should still be reviewed after it has been merged [04:09] yes, i think that's a good idea, there were quite a few non-trivial merge in the last 1.0 weeks [04:09] what do you think of it? [04:09] which should probably deserve a review [04:09] d-arb: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails [04:09] I like that idea too [04:10] yeah, that was the general concensus at the last meeting as well. [04:10] consensus. I think it's a good idea. [04:10] it allows branches to get landed quickly, while still keeping track of the review of the branch. [04:10] spiv, the problem is i cannot remember the password for the email address I no longer have access to [04:10] == Reviewer training == [04:11] this is where those "What was your cat's favourite kitten toy" questions are good [04:11] also discussed at the monday meeting was that we need more reviewers, but it's hard to find people that know enough of Launchpad to provide good reviews. [04:12] do you have any suggestions how we can train new reviewers to get up to speed? [04:12] so let's think about a process to train promising reviewers [04:12] I think we should put together a process for it [04:12] maybe co-reviews for two weeks [04:12] then an evaluation [04:12] I'd like to offer my experience here [04:12] and an outline document to guide the reviewer into what he should be looking at [04:13] we have an outline document I wrote, right? [04:13] kiko: what do you mean by "co-review"? [04:13] we tried pre-reviews before, IIRC... the trainee does a first review and then one of the reviewers does an actual review, comparing with the previous one from the trainee [04:13] BjornT, an official reviewer plus an unofficial one [04:13] yes [04:14] kiko, are we talking about the same thing? [04:14] yeah [04:14] salgado: I've used that process before and liked it, when trying to get developers more familiar with a large code base so that they could eventually qualify as reviewers [04:14] IMO, it was very time consuming, but mostly because at that time most of the diffs were quite big === statik shuts up now [04:14] kiko: ok [04:14] statik, no, please offer that experience, it's useful [04:15] another variant of that is to have the new reviewer sending his review to an experienced reviewer for comments, before posting it to the list. [04:15] I think that with the current avg size of our diffs, it may work well [04:15] kiko: as outline document we have TipsForReviewers, LaunchpadHackingFAQ and DesignChecklist [04:15] Tips For reviewers eh [04:16] they could probably get a review to remove obsolete stuff [04:16] kiko: so what I found was that for a large code base where there is a lack of experienced reviewers, the best way to get people that experience is to require them to start doing reviews. simply trying it, along with a checklist, and then looking over what the official review contained, helps devs make rapid progress in their reviewing ability [04:17] I used to require every developer to review two bugs fixes for every bug they fixed - the ratio/quota may be totally different here, but the idea is that you explicitly encourage people to develop those skills [04:18] kiko: do you remember where you wrote that outline? i also recall you writing something like that. [04:19] http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/ReviewProcess [04:19] BjornT, isn't it TipsForReviewers? [04:19] (as another example) [04:20] kiko: TipsForReviewers doesn't really explain what the reviewer should look for in the diff. [04:20] humm [04:20] the bullet point starting with "A reviewer must reject a set of changes in any of the following circumstances:" is a very helpful list, I've found [04:21] I recall having written something that said "Look for missing requirements" [04:23] here is a draft of the MySQL code reviewers checklist http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/CodeReviewProcess [04:24] I would love to see things like XSS and CSRF mentioned in a reviewers checklist [04:26] ok, so we should definitely have a reviewers checklist, so that new reviewers can know what they should look for in a review. [04:27] i'll give the mysql and twisted examples to lifeless [04:27] cool. === pochu [n=emilio@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #launchpad [04:28] == Doctest style guide == [04:28] in a review for ddaa, he asked me if the indentation style in doctests was documented anywhere. [04:29] i couldn't find any document talking about how doctests should be structured, and we should have such a document. [04:29] any volunteers for writing it? [04:29] any reason for it to be different than the actual source code? [04:29] i put that on my todo list a while back [04:29] after repeating several times the same comment regarding the pagetest and doctest style [04:29] so I can definitively do it [04:30] flacoste: cool, thanks! [04:30] can't we just say: use the same style we use for python code, but all python statements should be indented with 4 spaces? === kdefreak [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad [04:31] salgado, what about headings etc [04:31] hmm.... when running bzr push sftp://ryanakca@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ryanakca/kcypher/trunk , I get: [04:31] there are also things to be said about the narrative style [04:31] well, that was just to answer ddaa's question about indentation [04:31] bzr: ERROR: Lock was broken while still open: LockDir(sftp://ryanakca@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eryanakca/kcypher/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock) - check storage consistency! ... what do I do? [04:32] i.e. Death to "Test this", "check that"... [04:32] yeah, the document should talk about how to write doctests in general, not just code style in test examples. [04:33] salgado: it's not clear that the code examples should be indented by 4 spaces, but i think that makes the most sense. [04:33] it'd be good to check what the majority of our doctest uses, though. [04:34] == Other business == [04:34] anything else? [04:34] I have one BjornT [04:34] BjornT: many uses 4, many uses 2 and some use none === d-arb [n=radbrad@d.cache.ru.ac.za] has left #launchpad [] [04:34] I'd like to ask that asserts in the code should always have a message with what is being asserted. It helps group oops together and I can see in a glace what's going on [04:34] BjornT, right, that's why I suggested we should explicitely say that [04:34] Oopses like this one: https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/oops.cgi/2007-04-03/B166 [04:34] matsubara: we already check that [04:34] matsubara, that's already a requirement. see AssertionsInLaunchpad [04:35] ah great [04:35] thanks === livejo [n=livejo@h66-201-246-6.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #launchpad [04:36] * Where it is totally obvious what the rationale is, the explanation string should be omited. [04:37]