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[06:04] <Mongoose> fail
[06:16] <Mongoose> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2399174#post2399174
[06:16] <Mongoose> if anyone cares to comment on the beagle issue later
[06:23] <chemicalvamp> Hobbsee if i close konsole, will it exit chroot, and unmount ?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> chemicalvamp: just hit ctrl+d to get out of the chroot
[06:24] <chemicalvamp> and to unmount?
[06:24] <chemicalvamp> i wanna start fresh along with the log
[06:28] <shawnr> anyway to get beryl/compiz running with nvidia legacy drivers on 7.04?
[06:30] <RAOF> shawnr: Yes.  Beryl will work (with copy-mode rendering, and possible artifacts due to the poor GLX+Composite support of those drivers)
[06:30] <RAOF> shawnr: And both will work with XGL (wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager/Xgl)
[06:30] <shawnr> thanks
[06:33] <shawnr> RAOF, when I try to enable desktop effects in 7.04 it doesn't start, I thought it was all already pre-installed and ready to go, am I doing something wrong?
[06:35] <catid> shawnr: hello again.. still trying to get desktop effects eh?
[06:35] <shawnr> yea ;(
[06:35] <shawnr> sux, had no problem with this same pc on dapper
[06:35] <chemicalvamp> Hobbsee sweeet i got apt-get update to connect
[06:35] <catid> when you run beryl from a terminal does it spit out an error message?
[06:36] <RAOF> shawnr: Desktop-effects won't work for you, at least not without other configuration.
[06:36] <catid> usually it will say something like "GLX missing!"  if you've not set it up right
[06:36] <RAOF> shawnr: It only works when your drivers support the required stuff, and the nvidia-legacy drivers don't.
[06:36] <RAOF> It *should* work after you set up XGL, and Beryl should work (also with some manual configuration)
[06:36] <catid> RAOF: what exactly *is* XGL?
[06:37] <shawnr> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:37] <catid> shawnr: add this line under Extensions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:  Load "glx"
[06:37] <shawnr> when i run: 'glxinfo'
[06:37] <catid> and restart X by logging out and hitting ctrl+alt+backspace or rebooting
[06:37] <shawnr> already in there
[06:37] <shawnr> 	Load	"glx"
[06:38] <catid> oh then i guess your drivers don't support it ?
[06:38] <catid> the one from nvidia.com does
[06:38] <freeza> does the -13 kernel update still break systems?
[06:38] <RAOF> !xgl | catid
[06:38] <ubotu> catid: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:39] <RAOF> shawnr: Have you actually enabled your restricted drivers?
[06:39] <shawnr> "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers"
[06:39] <shawnr> i've enabled nvidia legacy
[06:39] <shawnr> i think
[06:40] <RAOF> shawnr: What *is* your graphics card?
[06:40] <shawnr> nvidia 440 go
[06:40] <RAOF> shawnr: "lspci | grep VGA"
[06:40] <shawnr> wasn't on legacy a few months ago lol
[06:40] <RAOF> Oh, you're waiting for that bug to be fixed.
[06:40] <RAOF> Right.
[06:40] <shawnr> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M]  (rev a3)
[06:40] <catid> RAOF: what bug ?
[06:41] <shawnr> ?
[06:41] <RAOF> bug #96430
[06:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96430
[06:41] <catid> ah
[06:42] <RAOF> That one :)
[06:42] <catid> shawnr: i'd recommend downloading the drivers from nvidia.com and installing those instead until they get it working again
[06:42] <aldin> hi, anyone tried vmware on 2.6.20
[06:42] <RAOF> catid: I *really* wouldn't.  They'll make it more difficult to use the repository drivers once they're available.
[06:42] <shawnr> is beryl already installed from the ubuntu cd?
[06:43] <RAOF> No, but Compiz is.
[06:43] <RAOF> If you had a card with open-source 3D support, you could turn it on on the livecd :)
[06:43] <catid> RAOF: ah maybe i shouldn't be making recommendations.. i build a lot of things myself instead of using the packages
[06:43] <shawnr> wow nice
[06:43] <catid> that's cool
[06:44] <shawnr> so install drivers from nvidia site then attempt to enable desktop effects?
[06:44] <catid> shawnr: RAOF says it's not recommended
[06:44] <RAOF> shawnr: Wait for that bug to be fixed, then *successfully* enable desktop-effects.
[06:44] <shawnr> i hope its soon
[06:44] <shawnr> ;p
[06:44] <aldin> is there any other virtual machine other than VMware-workstation-5.5.2-29772.tar.gz that i can use on ubuntu for free
[06:44] <RAOF> It's annoying to use the nvidia.com drivers.
[06:44] <shawnr> had compiz running on dapper it was nice
[06:44] <catid> yeah have to re-run it every time i rebuild the kernel *shrugs
[06:44] <RAOF> aldin: qemu/kqemu?  KVM?
[06:45] <shawnr> i see the bug is rated HIGH
[06:45] <aldin> RAOF, are they "OK" i mean quality
[06:45] <shawnr> thats always good
[06:45] <RAOF> catid: And you then can't easily install the drivers in the repository.
[06:45] <shawnr> so no compiz, my card reader still isn't working....
[06:45] <RAOF> aldin: KVM uses the hardware virualisation stuff, so that's cool.  I'm not sure how you rate the quality of a VM, though :)
[06:45] <catid> yeah i've had to build the drivers for ipw3945, but i wanted to make patches to that wireless driver anyway
[06:46] <catid> everything else is in the kernel right now for me
[06:46] <shawnr> and don't think i will ever be able to get my pocketpc to sync lol
[06:46] <shawnr> at least i finally got my wireless working
[06:46] <catid> just got lucky =)
[06:46] <RAOF> catid: ???  My 3945 has worked out of the box, with unencrypted/WAP/WPA/WPA2 :)
[06:46] <aldin> RAOF, well i can at least install and use other OS-es without problems
[06:46] <catid> RAOF: yeah but can yours do injection?
[06:46] <catid> RAOF: had to add that myself
[06:46] <aldin> RAOF, how do i set KVM on ubuntu+1
[06:46] <RAOF> Injection?
[06:46] <RAOF> aldin: No idea.
[06:46] <catid> yeah for aircrack
[06:46] <aldin> RAOF, ok
[06:46] <RAOF> Sorry :)
[06:47] <Kevlar> http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070403/481/xhm10204031738
[06:47] <shawnr> if i could get my card reader working then i could user my mini sd to ghetto sync my ppc
[06:48] <shawnr> lol
[06:48] <catid> to do any decent wep cracking you need a wireless card that you can inject raw packets into to fake handshakes and replay packets
[06:48] <catid> it's all pretty trivial to do at this point because it's so popular
[06:49] <catid> but the card needs to support injection
[06:49] <RAOF> Oh.
[06:50] <RAOF> Well, I can count the number of times I've wanted to do wep cracking on the fingers of one foot
[06:50] <catid> heh
[06:51] <catid> feisty's networkmanager is great.  i love being able to use the key ring for networks that broadcast ESSID
[06:51] <catid> for ones that don't it's still a bit manual
[06:51] <RAOF> Also...
[06:51] <RAOF> !info feisty libpam-keyring
[06:51] <ubotu> Package feisty does not exist in feisty
[06:51] <RAOF> !info libpam-keyring feisty
[06:51] <ubotu> libpam-keyring: PAM module that unlock gnome keyring. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.8-5 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 128 kB
[06:51] <RAOF> Whoops
[06:52] <catid> that will unlock the keyring after i log in?
[06:52] <RAOF> Yup
[06:52] <catid> sweet:)  had heard of it but not tried it
[06:53] <RAOF> As long as the keyring has the same password as your user.
[06:53] <catid> oh?  hrm..
[06:53] <RAOF> Yeah, a little limited
[06:53] <catid> eh, i don't mind
[06:59] <DanaG> I wish the Ubuntu kernel had the CoreTemp modules compiled.
[07:00] <RAOF> file a bug?
[07:00] <DanaG> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0703.1/1159.html
[07:03] <zyth> hmm
[07:03] <zyth> is amsn broken?
[07:05] <alka_trasg> anyone notice that if you connect with something like gnome-ppp, network manager doesn't acknowledge the connect and shows up disconnected?
[07:06] <bullgard4> Is there a menu item to call the Evince document viewer?
[07:07] <bofh80> bullgard4, grahics > document viewer?
[07:09] <bullgard4> bofh80: There does not exist a menu item Applications > Graphics > Evince on my Ubuntu 7.04.
[07:09] <bofh80> bullgard4, oh, well sorry, there is on mine :)
[07:10] <alka_trasg> Found it!
[07:10] <alka_trasg> right click on applications, and select edit, once in the menu editor you just have to enable it
[07:10] <bullgard4> bofh80: How did you make this happen?
[07:10] <cookie> hi all, I have problem with the cluster system, anyone knows how to fix it?Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:10] <cookie>  clvm
[07:10] <cookie> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:11] <bofh80> bullgard4, read what alka_trasg said
[07:11] <bofh80> alka_trasg, nice, i never noticed that edit menu's hotlink there :)
[07:12] <alka_trasg> yep, bofh80 it's nice to add custom links
[07:12] <bofh80> alka_trasg, i've seen it once before, but i couldn't remember where it was lol
[07:12] <bofh80> zyth, what's happening to your aMSN?
[07:13] <bofh80> zyth, mine goes to login then goes kinda blank
[07:13] <zyth> My amsn tonight developed the odd behaviour of seeming to lock up when logging into an account, then spewing an error window, then just sitting with the blinking globe on login...
[07:13] <zyth> yeah
[07:13] <cookie> hello
[07:13] <alka_trasg> yeah, it use to be hidden someone in the gnome menus
[07:13] <zyth> I'm currently trying removing/reinstalling it
[07:13] <cookie> anyone knows anything about the clvm problem?
[07:13] <bofh80> zyth, damn, musta been an update :( was working before, i could see me little bro's webcam from his live messenger :P
[07:14] <zyth> my gf was just on it tonight too
[07:14] <zyth> Huh... after removing/reinstalling it, it flat out crashes.
[07:15] <bullgard4> bofh80, alka_trasg: It works. Thank you very much.
[07:15] <zyth> owner@grumpybear:~$ amsn
[07:15] <zyth> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[07:15] <alka_trasg> bullgard4: your welcome
[07:16] <bofh80> bullgard4, cool :)
[07:17] <bofh80> zyth, i can't tell if it's had a ubuntu update, but it's still the same 0.96 version, it's might be one of the libraries
[07:17] <zyth> yea...
[07:17] <RyanRyan52> When I go to Ctrl+Alt+F1, use it, then go to Ctrl+Alt+F7 it has a blinking white screen, I am using the Feisty beta, how can i fix this???i have to unplug it to fix it and restart
[07:18] <Qwell> So, I figured out how to get wine to build from source on feisty on an amd64, if anybody is interested...
[07:20] <bofh80> RyanRyan52, OK, you could use sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart . . . .. but that will still logout (quite ungracefully) anything that was running etc and should give you a login prompt again........apart from that you might have to try and dig up an error, it's quite possibly the graphics driver? what graphics card do you have?
[07:20] <RyanRyan52> When I go to Ctrl+Alt+F1, use it, then go to Ctrl+Alt+F7 it has a blinking white screen, I am using the Feisty beta, how can i fix this???i have to unplug it to fix it and restart...Can anybody help me?
[07:20] <RyanRyan52> thanks
[07:20] <RyanRyan52> 1minute
[07:21] <RyanRyan52> it onboard for intel dg965wh board
[07:21] <RyanRyan52> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3000
[07:23] <bofh80> and if you run '   cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver   ' does one of the lines of output say intel ?
[07:23] <bofh80> RyanRyan52,  and if you run '   cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver   ' does one of the lines of output say intel ?
[07:23] <RyanRyan52> 1 minute
[07:24] <RyanRyan52> ryan@Ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[07:24] <RyanRyan52>         Driver          "kbd"
[07:24] <RyanRyan52>         Driver          "mouse"
[07:24] <RyanRyan52>         Driver          "wacom"
[07:24] <RyanRyan52>         Driver          "wacom"
[07:24] <RyanRyan52>         Driver          "wacom"
[07:24] <RyanRyan52>         Driver          "i810"
[07:24] <RyanRyan52> no
[07:24] <Qwell> So, who's up for some NV audio troubleshooting?  It worked just fine on edgy..
[07:24] <bofh80> RyanRyan52, OK. PLEASE do NOT paste in the channel...
[07:24] <Qwell> not much to say besides "I get no audio...".  I've checked the obvious stuff, modules loaded, volume up, etc
[07:24] <RyanRyan52> sorry
[07:24] <catid> Qwell: i think a bunch of nvidia-related things are broken in the packaged drivers right now
[07:25] <bofh80> RyanRyan52, ok i'm just gonna check that's the correct driver for your card . . . . . . if i can...
[07:25] <catid> Qwell: if you are using those ye just have to wait for them to fix things.. this is the Feisty unstable-so-we-don't-care distro
[07:25] <RyanRyan52> ok
[07:25] <Qwell> It just uses the in-kernel hd_intel driver
[07:25] <Qwell> snd_hda_intel, rather
[07:25] <catid> Qwell: have you tried rebuilding the kernel yourself?
[07:26] <catid> Qwell: perhaps a newer version will fix that bug
[07:26] <Qwell> shouldn't need to..  the module is there
[07:26] <choudesh> hey all.
[07:26] <catid> well yeah.. but that module services a lot of different cards
[07:26] <catid> new cards get added, old cards get broken and then fixed later, etc
[07:27] <catid> for example, my sound card uses that module too and it didn't work in the edgy kernel at all
[07:27] <Qwell> I've seen no such reports
[07:27] <Qwell> I actually did do my homework before I came here
[07:27] <catid> and it didn't work in the latest 2.6 kernel either
[07:27] <catid> so i had to apply a patch from a developer newsgroup to get it to work
[07:28] <catid> until they finally merged it into the mainline kernel
[07:28] <Qwell> sure, and if there were any reports of this card being broken, I'd do so...
[07:28] <guesserit> question: how can i find the migration manager in feisty??
[07:28] <catid> my point is, go check the alsa site to see how your card is working
[07:28] <Qwell> and my counter point - I have
[07:28] <catid> then check if your alsa version in your kernel is up to date with the minimum version
[07:29] <catid> because alsa does periodic merges into the mainline kernel
[07:30] <zyth> Hmm
[07:30] <zyth> bofh80, theres forum posts about this amsn issue too
[07:30] <zyth> something broke it
[07:30] <catid> catid@kuang:/usr/share/doc$ grep VERSION_STR /usr/include/alsa/version.h
[07:30] <catid> #define SND_LIB_VERSION_STR     "1.0.13"
[07:31] <bofh80> zyth, hahahah, oh well, gues we'll have to wait for another update, i wonder if they will fix it before they release a 9631 driver eh
[07:31] <catid> 1.0.13 is the version you can get from the latest mainline kernel
[07:31] <catid> fyi
[07:32] <catid> Qwell: what version are you running ?
[07:33] <Qwell> 1.0.13
[07:33] <catid> did you get any error messages in dmesg or syslog?
[07:34] <Qwell> none
[07:34] <catid> check lsmod and modprobe snd_hda_intel ?
[07:34] <bofh80> RyanRyan52, i think considering it doesn't work anyway, you want to try the apparently unstable version.........do you know how to use Synaptic ?
[07:34] <Qwell> already loaded
[07:35] <catid> try unloading it and reloading it then check dmesg and syslog
[07:35] <RyanRyan52> yes
[07:35] <Qwell> can't unload - in use
[07:35] <RyanRyan52> whats it called
[07:35] <catid> oh yeah right
[07:35] <catid> okay well that's about where my personal experience ends
[07:36] <bofh80> RyanRyan52, xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting
[07:36] <catid> when sound wouldn't work without any error messages last time it was because the drivers didn't support it
[07:36] <RyanRyan52> thank you
[07:39] <Krazytekn0> Ok here's the deal, I'm running 64 bit feisty with beryl, but whenever I click a link in Thunderbird, I have to physically switch to Firefox to see the page,
[07:39] <Krazytekn0> anybody know what this is from
[07:39] <Krazytekn0> ?
[07:40] <Krazytekn0> Helllloooooooooo.......
[07:41] <fignew> Krazytekn0: give everyone a second
[07:42] <Krazytekn0> fignew, I'm just playing around
[07:42] <Krazytekn0> just surprised no one was even talking about anything else
[07:43] <choudesh> ?
[07:43] <Krazytekn0> choudesh the answer to your question is 52
[07:43] <meborc> does anyone know what command gives me the names of computers in my local network? :)
[07:43] <Krazytekn0> ysorry 42
[07:44] <Krazytekn0> Where is everyone?
[07:46] <choudesh> Krazytekn0, usually it is only a few people helping out in ubuntu+1
[07:46] <choudesh> what do you need?
[07:47] <bofh80> choudesh, a job, a new house, my own internet connection, maybe a nice centrino laptop? :D
[07:47] <Tomcat_> meborc: smbtree can do it...?
[07:47] <Krazytekn0> Whenever I click a link in an application other than firefox I have to then switch manually to firefox to see it, do you know how to change that?
[07:47] <meborc> Tomcat_ - will try...
[07:47] <choudesh> bofh80, get a job. ;-) it worked for me. but on the centrino laptop, go with the core 2 duo. ;-)
[07:47] <bofh80> Krazytekn0, i still have no idea what you mean heheheheheh
[07:47] <bofh80> choudesh, as long as you mean AMD and not intel :P
[07:48] <bofh80> choudesh, damn i said centrino didn't i
[07:48] <choudesh> heh.
[07:48] <Krazytekn0> bofh80 that would be an X2 not a core 2 duo which was named by the Department of Redundcancy Department
[07:49] <bofh80> l_o_0_l
[07:49] <choudesh> Krazytekn0, does it also happen with your irc client.
[07:49] <choudesh> !wiki | Krazytekn0
[07:49] <ubotu> Krazytekn0: wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[07:49] <choudesh> click that link.
[07:49] <Krazytekn0> choudesh, well, I use irssi, so no cause I'm using a tty
[07:49] <Krazytekn0> no link clicking to be done here
[07:49] <choudesh> Krazytekn0, heh. should have ctcp'd ya.
[07:50] <choudesh> Krazytekn0, I can reproduce it.
[07:50] <choudesh> Krazytekn0, let me try on other versions.
[07:51] <choudesh> !bug | Krazytekn0
[07:51] <ubotu> Krazytekn0: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[07:55] <Krazytekn0> Yeah, choudesh, um I know all that, or I wouldn't have found the irc channel. Thanks anyway though
[07:56] <choudesh> ouch. Since it was reproduced in edgy; it was a bug.
[07:56] <choudesh> or atleast a missing focus.
[08:07] <catid> anyone know how to remove the coloring from openoffice impress documents?  i'd like to make them all have white background and just black text
[08:10] <jussi01> catid, go to master pages on the right...
[08:11] <catid> jussi01: then what?
[08:12] <jussi01> there should be a white page there to double click...
[08:13] <catid> clicking the white page stays at blue background
[08:13] <catid> looking for how to change it
[08:13] <jussi01> did you double click
[08:13] <jussi01> ?
[08:13] <jussi01> that should change it
[08:14] <catid> yeah it changes it, but back to the original blue
[08:16] <jurp5> hello
[08:20] <catid> okay i fixed the background but the text color is yellow on white
[08:20] <catid> i would like to change text color across all impress slides to black
[08:21] <jurp5> i get this error when running bash/gnome-terminal: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[08:38] <ziomal18> hi all
[08:38] <jurp5> someione?
[08:39] <jurp5> i get this error when running bash/gnome-terminal: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[08:39] <RAOF> jurp5: That's a cool errror.  But no, no idea
[08:39] <bullgard4> Does Ubuntu 7.04 not support the command 'rcp'?
[08:40] <RAOF> bullgard4: I presume it does, if you install it.  You probably want rsync though instead, right?
[08:40] <bullgard4> RAOF: yes
[08:40] <RAOF> sudo aptitude install rsync?
[08:41] <bullgard4> RAOF: wait a minute...
[08:42] <RAOF> bullgard4: Yes?
[08:42] <bullgard4> RAOF: On my Ubuntu 7.04 the DEB program package 'rsync' is installed by default.
[08:43] <RAOF> Ok.  So, great.  rsync!
[08:48] <ziomal18> When I'm in scope of wireless network my computer boots 40s longer than when no such network is present. I ran dmesg and found this time consuming thing seems to be the scanning of the available a, b, g channels (I've got Ipw3945 wireless). How can I resolve this issue? Would compiling this module into kernel help?
[08:48] <RAOF> ziomal18: No, compiling the driver into the kernel will almost certainly not help.
[08:49] <RAOF> Also, I don't see that with my ipw3945 card
[08:52] <robert_> okay
[08:55] <ziomal18> RAOF: I thought so :) Hmm, I'm pretty sure that it' it - I have two bootcharts, the "slow" and "fast" one showing it - or at least I think that it's this slowing... The Wifi diode lights up 25 times during the "configuring networki interface" part of the boot
[08:55] <RAOF> ???  25 times?
[09:00] <ziomal18> RAOF: Yep, I think that it lights 11 b/g channels and 13 a channels and in the end takes one b/g
[09:00] <RAOF> Woah.  That's not what mine does :)
[09:04] <ziomal18> Ok, so maybe I can somehow disable this testing... or it is something different then? But when it booted fast the Wifi diode lit only 2 times
[09:04] <RAOF> Mine doesn't flash at all
[09:04] <ziomal18> Hmm, interesting...
[09:07] <FallenHitokiri> I use the desktop effects with a ati9200mobile. this works basicly fine with one problem: when I boot and log in I see my desklet only on desktop 1. to get it on every virtual desktop I have to disable the effects, restart the desklet and enable the effects again. is there a work around?
[09:12] <cjsoftuk> Somewhat big issue with beryl on Ubuntu Feisty devel: "Checking for RandR extension: failed"
[09:12] <cjsoftuk> I'm using Dual Screen
[09:12] <RAOF> cjsoftuk: You're using xinerama, yes?
[09:12] <cjsoftuk> and yes
[09:12] <cjsoftuk> Xinerama
[09:13] <RAOF> I believe the solution is to disable Xinerama.  Or possibly use compiz, I'm not sure :)
[09:13] <cjsoftuk> I've just spent hours trying to get Dual Screen Set up
[09:13] <RAOF> I think you can still disable xinerama and keep your 2 screens.
[09:13] <RAOF> Or, you can just enable desktop-effects instead, and get practically the same effects.
[09:14] <cjsoftuk> RAOF: I have an NVidia card if that's any help
[09:14] <cjsoftuk> RAOF: I would use TwinView but it doesn't seem to work
[09:14] <RAOF> Na, not much help.  I don't have any expereince with dual monitors
[09:15] <cjsoftuk> RAOF: Can't enable desktop effects
[09:15] <RAOF> Ooh.  Well, I'd suggests "sudo nvidia-xconfig --disable-xinerama" or some such.  See if that still works.
[09:16] <atiredmachine> Hey, I'm having a lot of trouble changing my home folder to a new partition.
[09:16] <cjsoftuk> RAOF: I'm playing Nvidia-Xconfig
[09:17] <atiredmachine> I can't seem to figure out what my partition label is for the drive (ie hd3?)
[09:17] <atiredmachine> Anybody know how I figure that out?
[09:19] <RAOF> atiredmachine: Your partitioning program should tell you.
[09:19] <ziomal18> RAOF:  I'm thinking about filing a bug about this, I could add those bootcharts... or contact with the boot/init team and show them those - if it works on Your HW and on mine doesn't then it's definitely a bug
[09:20] <cjsoftuk> RAOF: OK, Twinview is missing 3D as well!  Xinerama was better!
[09:21] <atiredmachine> RAOF, thanks!,  I found it.
[09:22] <RAOF> ziomal18: Yeah, a bug might not be a bad idea.
[09:24] <ziomal18> RAOF: OK, thanks!
[09:31] <valehru> Hey guys, I want to get the HP-Toolbox installed, it relies on python-qt3.  When I try and install it I get:  python-qt3: Depends: python (< 2.5) but 2.5-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[09:31] <valehru>               Depends: python-sip4 (>= 4.4.3-1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:31] <valehru>   Anyone have a clue wtf is going on?
[09:44] <Traveler> are there daily builds of alternativ cd for feisty ?
[09:45] <cjsoftuk> I have a somewhat intriguing issue with my VT8251 onboard soundcard
[09:46] <Traveler> google , alsa-soundcard database and forums can help you alot there
[09:49] <Tomcat_> Traveler: Yes.
[09:50] <valehru> Hey guys, I screwed up my cups config...how can I restore it to the defaul one?
[09:50] <valehru> default.
[09:51] <Traveler> Tomcat_yes what ?
[09:51] <Traveler> do you have a link ?
[09:51] <Ali_ix> valehru: did you tried the web interface? localhost:631
[09:52] <Tomcat_> Traveler: Yes there is an alternative CD for feisty. Which one do you need? Beta or daily?
[09:52] <Ali_ix> valehru: there might be some option for default settings
[09:52] <valehru> would sudo dpkf-reconfigure cups do the trick?
[09:53] <Tomcat_> valehru: Either unpack the original config manually, or delete it and reinstall the package.
[09:53] <ryukent> Anyone here use SCIM?
[09:53] <valehru> ryukent, yes,...but Im having issues with it ..
[09:53] <Traveler> Tomcat_ : i already asked :  <Traveler> are there daily builds of alternativ cd for feisty ?
[09:54] <ryukent> You don't by any chance use it in pure X apps? Like non QT or GTK?
[09:54] <Tomcat_> Traveler: lol, sorry. Overread that. ;)
[09:54] <ryukent> And.... what are your issues?
[09:54] <valehru> ryukent, I use it in firefox, open office, CLI....
[09:54] <valehru> I tried a different input system
[09:54] <Traveler> And there  arn't , i searched ftp , only live and source
[09:54] <valehru> someone in the chinese channel mentioned it.'
[09:54] <Tomcat_> Traveler: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070402/
[09:54] <valehru> and it screwed up scim for me..
[09:55] <valehru> havent tried it since....
[09:55] <ryukent> Oh dear.... so what do you use now UIM?
[09:55] <valehru> nothing at the moment.....havent had the time to fool around with it..
[09:55] <Traveler> thats older one , maby they dint have the time for 0404 one . i think i ll wait
[09:55] <valehru> but I need something to input chinese for class...
[09:56] <ryukent> I've got the 1.4.5 unreleased packs if you want to have another go.
[09:56] <Tomcat_> Traveler: If there are no dailies for a particular day that usually means there was some bigger problem building it... so yes, either you wait, or just grab the 04-02 one and update.
[09:57] <valehru> ryukent, thx for the offer but I'll decline....trying to get the printer sorted out now...and have got to do a distribution upgrade now as well....thanks though.
[09:57] <ryukent> OK. Are you using Edgy at the mo
[09:57] <valehru> no...Im on feisty.
[09:57] <valehru> doing a partial upgrade
[09:58] <ryukent> OK... need to find a scim user still using edgy
[09:58] <valehru> havent upgraded in a week...and there is a lot of new stuff it would seem.
[09:58] <valehru> ryukent, try #ubuntu
[10:09] <valehru> Hey guys, is there anyway someone could copy their default cupsd.conf file in /etc/cups/ and send it to me?
[10:10] <valehru> clarke.jonathan at gmail.com
[10:11] <cjsoftuk> My gnome-terminal is broken!
[10:11] <rambo3> thats good
[10:12] <cjsoftuk> Anyone know why I get an X error on Gnome-Terminal?
[10:13] <cjsoftuk> "BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[10:13] <rambo3> what are you trying to do
[10:35] <MirrorSpock> I have a quick newby question on 7.04. where can I change what desktop effects are used? (the wobbly windows are a bit much)
[10:36] <Tomcat_> MirrorSpock: 1) desktop-effects settings program 2) gconf-editor (/apps/compiz) 3) I heard there's some compiz settings program, but I never used that one.
[10:38] <MirrorSpock> thank you
[10:49] <assasukasse> hi is there someone who uses vmware? i wish to have some hints to speed up things a bit
[10:57] <valehru> wow, that was a large update....45 mins to download all the newest stuff..
[11:15] <valehru> !skype 64
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skype 64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <valehru> !skype
[11:15] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:32] <valehru> hey guys, I think alsa supported was not patched for my laptop's sound card.
[11:33] <valehru> Right now I have both sound coming out of my headphones and the main speaker at the same time...I cannot control one without decreasing the volume of the other.
[11:33] <valehru> cache 22.
[11:48] <nato> hey all; My internet is playing up in Ubuntu. It has been working up until this morning, i turn the pc on, it connects but it goes really slow. Some pages taking 5-10 minutes to load. SO i boot up my laptop with windows, and check out the internet...but it works fine. I go back to Ubuntu, but now it wont connect at all now. I had some problems originaly with my wireless, but it has been working fine for the past few days. Any 
[11:51] <nato> why is my router address 192.168.1.250 - instead of 192.168.1.1?
[11:52] <rambo3> did you change route ?
[11:52] <nato> rambo3: what do you mean?
[11:52] <rambo3> sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[11:53] <rambo3> or : sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 wlan0
[11:53] <nato> but in windows, if i type into explorer 192.168.1.1 nothing pops up, BUT, if i type 192.168.1.250 - it loads my router page
[11:54] <rambo3> so you changed settings in router
[11:55] <rambo3> or somone else did
[11:57] <nato> rambo: should i still type that command? even though that 192.168.1.1 is not my router address?
[12:11] <AgReSor> Hello.
[12:12] <AgReSor> I need help with my apt
[12:12] <AgReSor> root@agresor-desktop:~# apt-get update
[12:12] <AgReSor> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:12] <AgReSor> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:12] <AgReSor> Can anyone tell me what is wrong ?
[12:12] <kaouete> AgReSor: apt is already running
[12:12] <Hobbsee>  /var/lib/apt/lists/lock is buggered.  if you'r esure there are no other apps using it, then remove teh lock
[12:13] <CarinArr> buggered, how eloquently put;)
[12:13] <AgReSor> no.. no...
[12:13] <AgReSor> nothing using it
[12:13] <kaouete> oh so remove it ^^
[12:13] <Hobbsee> CarinArr: it's a technical term.  :)
[12:13] <CarinArr> of course:)
[12:13] <AgReSor> i had just installed ubuntu and when there was package listing on install i pres "SKIPP"
[12:13] <AgReSor> now i cant use apt
[12:14] <AgReSor>  :(
[12:14] <AgReSor> Please help... how to fix it ?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> AgReSor: follow what i said
[12:14] <Hobbsee> both halves.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:16] <AgReSor> sorry bug in AIM
[12:16] <AgReSor> i mean GAIM :)
[12:16] <AgReSor> can u repet what are you saing about fixint my apt ?
[12:16] <AgReSor> please
[12:17] <Hobbsee> [20:12]  <Hobbsee> /var/lib/apt/lists/lock is buggered.  if you'r esure there are no other apps using it, then remove teh lock
[12:17] <AgReSor> how to do that ?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> with rm
[12:17] <AgReSor> i'm new in this :)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> why are you running the development release?
[12:17] <AgReSor> rm -f  /var/lib/apt/lists/lock ?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> you wont need the -f, and you'll need to stick sudo in front of it
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ie, you shouldnt force when you dont absolutely have to
[12:18] <Hobbsee> but yes :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> [20:18]  <Hobbsee> you wont need the -f, and you'll need to stick sudo in front of it
[12:18] <Hobbsee> [20:18]  <Hobbsee> ie, you shouldnt force when you dont absolutely have to
[12:18] <Hobbsee> [20:18]  <Hobbsee> but yes :)
[12:18] <AgReSor> :)
[12:19] <AgReSor> i dont know why this gaim closes
[12:19] <AgReSor> Hobbsee:  thanks now woring :)
[12:24] <flodine> anyone having problems with gnomebaker?
[12:25] <AgReSor> why is this ??? 02:21:07 AM) AgReSor: when i try to apt-get update   i get to this "99% [Connecting to cs.archive.ubuntu.com (147.91.8.38)] "  cant connect to this.
[12:25] <AgReSor> anyone have same problem ?
[12:27] <CarinArr> AgReSor: well i can't connect to it, but it's not in my ist of sources so it isn't a problem
[12:28] <CarinArr> AgReSor: sounds like the server is down, or something is weird with it
[12:28] <AgReSor>  :)
[12:28] <AgReSor> can i use other sources links ?
[12:31] <CarinArr> AgReSor: as far as i know you can use any archive.. i would back up your /etc/apt/sources.list file first.. then just try changing all cs.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <AgReSor> oki )
[12:31] <AgReSor> :)
[12:34] <AgReSor> CarinArr: Thanks man :)
[12:36] <CarinArr> uhm technically woman, but you're welcome;)
[12:37] <AgReSor> :D sorry :D
[12:38] <AgReSor> anyway thanks :D
[12:38] <AgReSor> hehe :)
[12:43] <nato> hi; how can i install the wifi app in synaptic using my ubuntu cd? I want to use the cd because my internet wont connect. the sudo apt-get command tries to connectto the internet
[12:44] <nato> wifi-radar is the name of the program
[12:45] <nato> anybody??
[12:46] <valehru_> nato
[12:46] <valehru_> insert the cd
[12:46] <valehru_> then go to synaptic and add the cd as a repository
[12:47] <nato> i tired that, i click ok, it asked me if i wanted to add more cd's, i chose no. But still when i try to install, it just hangs when it tries to connect to the online repositories
[12:47] <protocol1> is there a reason why my frostwire wont open....I installed java 1.6 from synaptic package manger?
[12:47] <CarinArr> nato: you might have to disable the online repositories temporarily
[12:47] <protocol1> and when I try to open frostwire from terminal its saying I need java 1.5.0 or newer?
[12:48] <nato> how do i do that?
[12:48] <CarinArr> protocol1: so install java 1.5.0 or newer;)
[12:48] <protocol1> all I know is that I need to tell frostwire where java is.....but I need help with routing
[12:49] <CarinArr> nato: well you can comment all lines apart from the cd in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:49] <CarinArr> i.e. put # infront of
[12:49] <nato> ok i'l try that
[12:49] <protocol1> CarinArr, I do have Java 1.6
[12:49] <CarinArr> you might want to back the file up first though so you don't have to remember what was and wasn't commented before that
[12:49] <CarinArr> protocol1: oh i see
[12:50] <CarinArr> protocol1: i don't even know what frostwire is so i'm afraid i can't really say
[12:50] <CarinArr> doesn't it come with any install instructions
[12:54] <protocol1> http://pastebin.ca/423684
[12:54] <nato> is there not a way for me to just manually install it off the cd?
[12:54] <protocol1> CarinArr, Im sure that its something I can fix with a sim link maybe?
[12:55] <protocol1> Im not sure if anyone understands what I am trying to do here
[12:55] <protocol1> Im basically trying to tell frostwire where java is
[12:56] <Tomcat_> protocol1: What does "java -version" in console say? If there's any good output, Frostwire should use it by default.
[12:56] <nato> hmm it's not on my cd. Why is everything such a headache?! my wireless now is not detecting connections, after spending 3 days to get it working. it works for one day, then dies
[12:56] <protocol1> My web browser does see Java 1.6 as I did check it with about:plugins
[12:57] <CarinArr> did you run any updates since that might've affected it?
[12:57] <CarinArr> nato that is
[12:58] <nato> nope; i stayed away from updating because i was worried this would happen. the last thing i did last night was install JACK and get my realtime running (which took me long time)
[12:58] <protocol1> Tomcat_, http://pastebin.ca/423689
[12:58] <nato> This morning it connected to the internet, but was really slow. and now it just wont find the connection
[12:59] <Tomcat_> protocol1: In that case, you didn't install Java properly... try installing sun-java6-bin or sun-java5-bin
[01:00] <nato> I don't understand why it has just stopped; this computer now is XP, connected to the same router. and it works fine.
[01:01] <nato> CarinArr: is there anything you could advise
[01:01] <protocol1> Tomcat_, when I look in package manager...it says that I have sun-java6-bin already ?
[01:02] <protocol1> Tomcat_, should I go with 5?
[01:02] <Tomcat_> protocol1: Weird... wait.
[01:02] <protocol1> k
[01:02] <Tomcat_> protocol1: Try "/usr/bin/java -version"?
[01:03] <CarinArr> nato: can you paste the output of iwconfig into !pastebin?
[01:04] <protocol1> Tomcat_, bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory
[01:04] <Tomcat_> protocol1: Try reinstalling sun-java6-bin then... something can't be right...
[01:04] <CarinArr> nato: or actually since you don't have internet access on that install (i'm assuming;) can you just tell us if it shows your card there?
[01:06] <coz_> guys looking for tixiwsh on feisty and not finding it,,= Tk interpreter with Tix
[01:06] <nato> CarinArr: yes, it shows 'IEEE 802.11g......' next to wlan0
[01:07] <nato> i really hope i don't have to go through the ndiswrapper process again, im using Broadcom bcm4306 chipset
[01:07] <protocol1> Tomcat_, I will try the 1.5.0 this time
[01:09] <CarinArr> nato: does it say anything next to ESSID: and AccessPoint:
[01:09] <nato> yes; next to accesspoint: Not-associated . there is no essid
[01:09] <nato> oh yes there is, my bad
[01:09] <nato> it says off/any next to essid
[01:09] <CarinArr> okay
[01:10] <nato> it wasn't like that yesterday, or when i set up ndiswrapper. At least i don't think so
[01:10] <protocol1> Tomcat_, Installing the sun-java5-bin one fixed my issue
[01:10] <Tomcat_> protocol1: But now you only have Java 5 :)
[01:10] <CarinArr> nato, try iwlist wlan0
[01:10] <CarinArr> nato: sorry iwlist wlan0 scan
[01:11] <protocol1> I will leave that on here but use the sun-java6 plugin for my browser
[01:11] <protocol1> :)
[01:11] <nato> ok; it finds my router. has the address, essid
[01:11] <CarinArr> what does it say next to quality?
[01:12] <nato> 17/100 Signal level:-85 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm
[01:12] <CarinArr> that's a pretty horrendous quality
[01:13] <valehru_> nato, whats the name of your router?
[01:13] <valehru_> nato, are you sure that is yours?
[01:13] <nato> BTVOYAGER1500-25
[01:13] <CarinArr> i struggle to get my wireless card connecting when quality is less than 50%
[01:14] <nato> i'm pretty sure; im connected to is using my laptop. The connection is good on my laptop; as an example, if i download fiesty through bittorrent, i get around 400Kbs
[01:14] <nato> I know that the neighbour has a connection floating around, but the name is 'daydoh' not btvoyager, that one is mine
[01:14] <CarinArr> nato: is it a usb wireless card?
[01:15] <nato> PCI
[01:15] <coz_> anyone have a clue to aquire Tixwish =Tk interpreter with Tix
[01:15] <CarinArr> right so moving it about isn't an option;)
[01:15] <protocol1> Tomcat_, I have both on my machine......just use java6 plugin :)
[01:15] <CarinArr> nato: what you can do is try to connect using iwconfig..
[01:15] <CarinArr> do you have a password for your access point
[01:15] <CarinArr> ?
[01:16] <nato> As in my router?
[01:16] <CarinArr> yes
[01:16] <nato> well, i think so. because when i type 192.168.1.250 (router address) it asks for authentication. But i have never set anything like this up, so i do not have a user name or password
[01:17] <CarinArr> i mean when you connect using your laptop
[01:17] <CarinArr> do you have a give a password for the wireless
[01:17] <nato> no
[01:17] <CarinArr> okay
[01:18] <CarinArr> then just try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid theessidofyourrouter"
[01:19] <CarinArr> then do iwconfig wlan0 to see if it says anything after essid: and access point:
[01:21] <nato> nope
[01:22] <CarinArr> sometimes you have to try it a few times before it works
[01:22] <nato> i will do a quick restart
[01:25] <nato> ok after restaring it says it is connected
[01:25] <nato> but, in firefox, if i type www.google.co.uk it just says waiting
[01:26] <CarinArr> hang on
[01:26] <CarinArr> if you do ifconfig
[01:26] <nato> ok, essid is now BTVOYAGER, and it has an access point address
[01:26] <CarinArr> does you wlan0 have an ip address associated with it
[01:27] <nato> no
[01:27] <CarinArr> note ifconfig rather than iwconfig
[01:27] <nato> ifconfig
[01:27] <nato> yes it has one
[01:27] <CarinArr> try pinging your router?
[01:28] <nato> average 27ms, max 99ms
[01:29] <CarinArr> try pinging www.google.co.uk
[01:30] <nato> oo, not so good. minimum - 53,5; average - 76,76; maximum - 99,40;
[01:31] <nato> why on earth is the strength so low
[01:31] <CarinArr> i get quite low signal with ndiswrapper too
[01:32] <CarinArr> those times aren't that badthough
[01:32] <CarinArr> but you can't connect using firefox?
[01:34] <nato> google loaded, but took a while
[01:34] <nato> it wasn't this slow yesterday, and now it has disconnected
[01:35] <CarinArr> any closed doors between you and access point?
[01:35] <CarinArr> ;)
[01:35] <CarinArr> also known as clutching at straws
[01:35] <nato> well, i just moved the router closer to the pc, and opened all doors...hmm maybe i should put it back!
[01:35] <nato> i will reboot; as that fixed it temporarily
[01:36] <CarinArr> not sure what else to advice i'm afraid
[01:36] <CarinArr> never had qualities quite as low as that i'm afraid
[01:36] <nato> my laptop connection strength has improved though, so thats a good sign
[01:37] <CarinArr> are you using the repository version of ndiswrapper?
[01:37] <nato> im using the latest version, i got through a howto
[01:38] <nato> ok, its working now. connection is very low though
[01:39] <nato> would it be worth trying a different network manager, like wifi-radar
[01:39] <CarinArr> they all use iwconfig so i doubt it would work any better
[01:39] <nato> ok, thankyou for your help CarinArr; without you i would still be scratching my head and dribling coffee
[01:39] <CarinArr> heh, don't dribble it
[01:40] <CarinArr> coffee wastage is bad
[01:40] <CarinArr> ;)
[01:40] <nato> it's maximum strength, so i doubt a little spilage with be a problem
[01:40] <CarinArr> lol
[01:41] <nato> im getting 103kbs on a package info download, so it cant be that bad
[01:41] <nato> just temperamental; if i could only get my printer to print. all would be golden
[01:41] <CarinArr> sometimes it's ndiswrapper just messing up the communication with the card a bit so quality might not ACTUALLY reflect the connection i suppose
[01:42] <CarinArr> if it drops the connection, you could try just doing sudo ifdown wlan0 sudo ifup wlan0
[01:42] <CarinArr> see if that does the trick, might save you rebooting every couple of minutes
[01:42] <nato> what does that command do? force a connection?
[01:43] <CarinArr> no it just "reboots" the interface so to speak
[01:43] <nato> the one thing i do enjoy about linux, is that you can trouble shoot yourself; even if it means typing command, and acting up. its nicer than the windows, click and pray method
[01:43] <CarinArr> heh
[01:43] <nato> it's easier for people to help you
[01:44] <CarinArr> laptop i have came with vista pre-installed
[01:44] <CarinArr> and would drop a perfectly good wireless connection every 30 odd seconds
[01:44] <CarinArr> just a tad annoying, especialy as there's barely anything you can do
[01:44] <CarinArr> microsoft trouble shooter ended with "are you sure you answered all the questions correctly" or something to that effect
[01:45] <nato> yeh, even my father is having a better time with linux than he ever did with xp
[01:45] <nato> he is still kicking him self though for paying for xp pro just a month or so ago
[01:46] <nato> is there anyway i can 'snapshot' my ubuntu system as it is, before updating. because i'm worried the updates might kill it
[01:46] <CarinArr> i'm sure there is.. don't know how to though i'm afraid
[01:47] <nato> ok
[01:51] <nato> have you tried opendns?
[01:53] <CarinArr> no
[01:53] <CarinArr> never had reason to really
[02:05] <robinlinth> Which date will Feisty be released? I know it's april, but what day?
[02:05] <Telep> robinlinth, it says it in the topic, April 19th :)
[02:06] <somian> 14th, IIRC
[02:06] <somian> Oh, I don't RC
[02:06] <Telep> or rather, the week of April 19th
[02:09] <robinlinth> k
[02:09] <robinlinth> What new features can I benefit from?
[02:10] <foxiness> hi, today i installed a freash ubuntu beta 7.04 ,and after i try to eject my cdrom form the drive i see this "Cannot unmount volume" ,only "/home" on its own partition not F , as this message normal?
[02:10] <Tomcat_> robinlinth: Check the Beta page + the Herd pages... they detail all the big changes.
[02:11] <foxiness> oh did i need to do this on users and group i will see
[02:12] <Tomcat_> robinlinth: Or wait for the release, which will have its own "big changes" page since 6.10.
[02:12] <zyth> stupid amsn
[02:15] <foxiness> when i look to the current user a found everything normal he has everything, but when i checked root there is nothing selected ?! did i need to reselect all ?
[02:17] <Ind[y] > adding "vesafb=1024x768" as a kernel parameter will enable framebuffer support to my console?
[02:17] <Tomcat_> foxiness: If you cannot unmount a drive, try "lsof | grep <mountpoint>"... that way, you can see if there are still open files.
[02:17] <Tomcat_> foxiness: And no, root doesn't need to have any permissions enabled, because he's root (and thus can do anything anyway)
[02:19] <zyth> amsn is still broken. grr
[02:19] <zyth> n/m
[02:19] <zyth> I fixed it
[02:19] <Ind[y] > adding "vesafb=1024x768" as a kernel parameter will enable framebuffer support to my console?
[02:28] <foxiness> Tomcat_: after i enable "USE CD-ROM ..." the eject work normal , maybe this related to unclean /home ,with not new user the old one before reinstall
[02:29] <Tomcat_> foxiness: It shouldn't be related to stuff in your home. It should eject when no files on the CD are open... maybe it's a bug?
[02:36] <Poul^Laptop> Is it not posible to save user/pass in gftp someway?
[02:36] <agresor> How do i know what version is my ubuntu ? Daker , Edgy or Feisty ?
[02:36] <lupine_85> lsb_release -a in a terminal
[02:36] <foxiness> agresor: name -a
[02:37] <agresor> uname ?
[02:37] <foxiness> sorry lupine_85 i did this with out see your response
[02:37] <zyth> No LSB modules are available.
[02:37] <zyth> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[02:37] <zyth> Description:	Ubuntu feisty (development branch)
[02:37] <zyth> Release:	7.04
[02:37] <zyth> Codename:	feisty
[02:37] <zyth> oops
[02:38] <agresor> zyth,  how do u see that informations ?
[02:38] <foxiness> haha fast response its the old method on my /brain/lib
[02:38] <zyth> agresor, lsb_release -a
[02:38] <agresor> thnx alot :)
[02:49] <agresor> i try to add some keys  but i get err
[02:49] <agresor> wget http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/1135D466.gpg -O-  sudo apt-key add -
[02:49] <agresor> is this right to do ?
[02:50] <CarinArr> what error do you get
[02:51] <CarinArr> agresor: what's the character you've putinfront of sudo? it should be a |
[02:52] <agresor> here you are look... : http://www.pastebin.ca/423822
[02:53] <foxiness> http://dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/jedit/./Packages.gz: 302, notwork at all i need to try jedit
[02:53] <agresor> aha
[02:53] <agresor> it was |
[02:54] <valehru> Hey guys, I'm trying to play the new 3D chess game packaged with feisty.  However when I click on 3d I get the following error:
[02:54] <valehru> Your system does not have the required software to enable 3D mode. Please contact your system administrator and ask them to install the OpenGL Python bindings and the GtkGLExt Python bindings.
[02:54] <valehru> a little lost right now..
[02:55] <valehru> I have python-opengl installed....
[02:55] <valehru> what else needs to be installed?
[02:55] <CarinArr> agresor: does it work now?
[02:55] <agresor> yes  :) thnx again :D
[02:55] <CarinArr> welcome:)
[02:56] <valehru> glChess is the name of the game
[02:57] <foxiness> valehru: after your ^^^ i find for first time view>3D,and me to the same error i think maybe it need the driver from ati "mine 9200M"
[02:57] <foxiness> *too
[02:57] <valehru> I have 3d enabled on my nvidia driver
[02:57] <valehru> 3d is working fine on this desktop
[02:57] <valehru> Im running beryl..enough said on that
[02:59] <zdzichuBG> valehru: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2351296
[02:59] <foxiness> you can send this like a bug ,to let the developer make an action or info the user what shloud do
[03:01] <DarphBobo> ;]  April 19
[03:01] <CarinArr> valehru: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6348&package_id=179437
[03:06] <valehru> looking for a 64 bit version of these packages...le sigh
[03:07] <kelsa|martalli> I have the feisty-commercial repo enabled, but opera is not available
[03:07] <kelsa|martalli> Am I looking int he wrong place?
[03:09] <lotusleaf> kelsa|martalli, I'm guessing it will be available after final?
[03:09] <kelsa|martalli> ok
[03:09] <lotusleaf> kelsa|martalli, in the meatime see opera's website
[03:09] <lotusleaf> meantime*
[03:09] <kelsa|martalli> gotcha.  Thanks
[03:09] <coz_> ok guys just did an update today, just a short time ago, it installed a buch of compiz stuff now beryl and compiz both crash x  could you guys fix that please
[03:10] <valehru> coz_, well...it is in beta......but ubuntu really need to test what they are releasing....it could screw up a lot of machines.
[03:10] <kelsa|martalli> I think compiz is permanently out to lunch
[03:10] <lotusleaf> well, that's one way to file a bug :P
[03:10] <valehru> did I hear they were merging back with beryl?
[03:11] <kelsa|martalli> My kubuntu somputer run beryl and honestly that has been much more stable than compiz
[03:11] <agresor> anyone can give me some good turtorial to install mplayer ?
[03:12] <CarinArr> uhm.. mplayer is in the repository isn't it
[03:12] <orbish> mine is busted to hell, then package manager tells me to install 266 things... so i'm waiting for that to finish to troubleshoot
[03:12] <valehru> ok im giving up on that chess game and 3d........someone needs to package the dependencies properly with it....
[03:12] <CarinArr> valehru: yeah i heard that too
[03:12] <agresor> heh
[03:12] <agresor> :)
[03:12] <valehru> especially with AMD 64...Im feeling left out in the cold with some of the stuff thats in the repos.
[03:12] <agresor> so how can i watch movies ( dvx , dvd ) with subtitles ?
[03:12] <valehru> orbish, yeah...same here.
[03:13] <CarinArr> i gave up on 64bit after a week
[03:13] <valehru> agresor, mplayer supports subs
[03:13] <CarinArr> that was about a year ago, never gave ita shot again;)
[03:13] <agresor> valehru, where i can get howto for ubuntu ?
[03:13] <orbish> has anybody ever tested benchmarks between 64bit and 32?
[03:13] <orbish> does it really make that much of a difference?
[03:14] <valehru> agresor, www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:14] <CarinArr> well it only really makes a difference if the applications you're using are mainly 64 bit ones
[03:14] <valehru> not sure if its been updated to include feisty though.
[03:14] <CarinArr> the heavier ones that i use are still 32 bit so for me it's a bit pointless
[03:14] <CarinArr> not worth the hassle
[03:14] <orbish> right on
[03:14] <valehru> CarinArr, well the main problem I have with 64 bit is the lack of support for flash
[03:15] <valehru> you have to use 32 bit firefox to get it installed.....which defeats the point of a 64 bit system
[03:15] <CarinArr> i didn't know that was still the case
[03:15] <CarinArr> i remember that being one of the issues i had, ut this is quite som
[03:15] <CarinArr> e time ago now
[03:15] <void^> valehru: you can run 32bit flash in 64bit firefox with nspluginwrapper.
[03:16] <valehru> void^, really?  /me goes to look
[03:17] <valehru> void^, is it any good?
[03:17] <CarinArr> grrrrr
[03:17] <CarinArr> need that new router like.. yesterday
[03:17] <orbish> why?
[03:18] <CarinArr> every few minutes it stalls all connections
[03:18] <CarinArr> it's really infuriating
[03:18] <orbish> brand?
[03:18] <void^> valehru: it works pretty well for me. it's just a bit messy to install.
[03:18] <valehru> void^, looking for a decent guide now.
[03:18] <CarinArr> a linksys somewhat or other
[03:19] <valehru> CarinArr, update the firmware
[03:19] <CarinArr> anotherone is in the post actually knowing that makes me even more impatient;)
[03:19] <orbish> i find flashing to newest firmware, backing up config and using the reset button helps mine
[03:19] <CarinArr> valehru: updated alredy
[03:19] <CarinArr> actually updating it made it slightly worse
[03:20] <orbish> i reset mine 2-3 times a week, i think bittorrent and NAT fill up ARP tables or something
[03:20] <CarinArr> anyhow it's only 802.11b and all our cards are at least g now so will be nice with a better specced one anyway
[03:20] <CarinArr> mine doesn't really seem to do any better straight after a reboot
[03:20] <CarinArr> it's just crap
[03:20] <CarinArr> heh
[03:21] <CarinArr> used to work okay so not quite sure how it isn't now
[03:25] <valehru> void^, excellent, working perfectly now....thanks for the tip.
[03:26] <CarinArr> right rebooting and hoping the latest updates haven't broken my system completely:)
[03:26] <CarinArr> bbias hopefully
[03:26] <lotusleaf> the trick is to never reboot :)
[03:26] <Suurorca> kinda hard to survive a full dist-upgrade w/o reboot, though :/
[03:27] <valehru> lotusleaf, thats a bit tough on a laptop, my battery has about 10 mins left....and not a power cable in sight.
[03:28] <lotusleaf> :(
[03:29] <lotusleaf> Suurorca, well.. most of the time anyway
[03:29] <lotusleaf> Suurorca, I don't reboot unless I need to
[03:31] <Suurorca> Iment from one version to next, not regular updates ;)
[03:32] <CarinArr> ah
[03:32] <CarinArr> painless
[03:34] <CarinArr> well i tend to reboot after upgrades because it's damned annoying if ou bring your laptop to work, boot it up to show someone a demo, and your xserver refuses to start;)
[03:35] <orbish> carinarr, google/check out ipcop
[03:35] <CarinArr> so i prefer checking if things work when i actually have time to fix them;)
[03:36] <CarinArr> hm.. why?
[03:36] <orbish> turn old hardware into a router, more customization than retail routers,
[03:37] <CarinArr> oh i see
[03:37] <CarinArr> it needs to be an adsl modem as well tho;)
[03:37] <CarinArr> and a wireless access point
[03:37] <lotusleaf> CarinArr, that's what ctrl+alt+f1 and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop and start are for ;)
[03:37] <orbish> looks like people have this working with lots of different setups
[03:38] <CarinArr> lotusleaf: that can work even if it doesn't work after a reboot believe me;)
[03:38] <orbish> i'm not good enough to avoid rebooting
[03:38] <CarinArr> had weird nvidia things going on in the past where it would work perfectly until i rebooted
[03:39] <webwolf_27> are there any known bugs in the 2.6.20 kernel with ndiswrapper??
[03:39] <CarinArr> i don't mind rebooting every now and then
[03:42] <webwolf_27> strangly my system freezes after loading the ndiswrapper when running kernel 2.6.20, but works wonderfully when running 2.6.17
[03:43] <protocol1> is there a reason why my windows media streams wont play?
[03:44] <protocol1> I get tranferring data and a black screen
[03:44] <boojit> hi all -- anyone having troubles with system not booting properly after the latest updates?
[03:44] <boojit> for me it's hanging when it gets to Configuring Network Interfaces.
[03:45] <boojit> I get that line but I never get [OK] 
[03:45] <webwolf_27> boojit: using ndiswrapper?
[03:45] <boojit> If I hit CTRL+C it keeps going and comes up, and networking is working (well at least wireless)
[03:46] <boojit> webwolf_27: I'm not sure i'm using ndiswrapper -- at least I didn't have to do that thing where I manually pull the firmware for the wireless card out of a Windows driver
[03:46] <boojit> webwolf_27: I've never looked into the network driver layer on this machine -- it's always just worked
[03:47] <boojit> I do know it's an Atheros chipset though
[03:47] <webwolf_27> boojit: then probably not, I'm using it because my atheros chip didn't want to work without it.
[03:47] <webwolf_27> boojit: probably wadwifi then
[03:47] <boojit> madwifi, yeah
[03:48] <webwolf_27> boojit: that brings me to an idea about my system freezes
[03:50] <webwolf_27> boojit: sorry I can't help you, but you inderectly helped me ...
[03:52] <boojit> webwolf_27: good
[03:52] <webwolf_27> but then again, nope thats not the problem
[03:53] <webwolf_27> boojit: do not use the ndiswrapper instead, it causes system freezes on 2.6.20 on my machine
[03:54] <boojit> so if anyone is in the know about the ubuntu boot process: I'm perusing thru /var/messages, and it looks like the system is hanging at this point: http://www.pastebin.ca/423893
[03:55] <boojit> you can see where the timestamp jumps from 23.57 to 112.61
[03:55] <webwolf_27> boojit: looking
[03:57] <webwolf_27> looks like something is failing to load
[04:00] <aaroncampbell> I have a nearly 2TB RAID (RAID 5, 5*500G drives) that I want to format.  What FS should I use for such a large drive?  It's a RAID, so it has hardware redundancy...which is useless if the FS isn't stable, so I want something reliable.  It will be used as a share (with a windows network), as well as for storing my VMWare virtual machines
[04:06] <FallenHi1okiri> aaroncampbell: xfs performs well on fileservers
[04:08] <danny> hi! can i dare to try feisty on a productive system? Or is it too shaky?
[04:09] <FallenHi1okiri> danny: I run feisty since herd5 without big problems - but that's only me
[04:09] <minimec> danny: I have almost no problem on my system...
[04:10] <danny> minimec: ... almost ... - what problems have you got?
[04:11] <minimec> I am playing around a little bit with beryl. No problem with so called productive apps like ooo-wirter and gimp scribus ... Some panel applets crash in combination with beryl
[04:12] <danny> FallenHi1okiri: when did you start using feisty?
[04:12] <elvirolo> hi all
[04:12] <FallenHi1okiri> danny: I switched to feisty on the day herd5 was available
[04:12] <danny> minimec: my hardware doesn't seem to work with beryl anyway
[04:12] <elvirolo> i'm using kubuntu feisty and i doesn't seem to recognise my external usb drive
[04:12] <FallenHi1okiri> danny: I have only some small problems with the "desktop effects" and I cannot unmount a usb-hd
[04:13] <minimec> danny: All in all I can say that feisty is a nice peace of software ... ;)
[04:13] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: can you mount it with mount?
[04:13] <elvirolo> FallenHi1okiri: em, is it /dev/sda1 ?
[04:13] <danny> FallenHi1okiri: usb-hd umount doesn't work? Just HD or usb-FLASH as well?
[04:13] <minimec> piece ... ;)
[04:14] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: I don't know what your harddiscs are. how many do you have in you system and how many connecte via usb?
[04:14] <elvirolo> 1 internal hd and 1 usb
[04:14] <FallenHi1okiri> danny: I have no memory stick here - I can't try
[04:14] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: there should be /dev/sdb
[04:15] <elvirolo> ok
[04:15] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: or just type cat /etc/fstab to see what your internal harddisk is
[04:15] <boojit> well, I wasn't exactly right before --
[04:15] <elvirolo> FallenHi1okiri: it /dev/hda
[04:15] <danny> FallenHi1okiri: I am using usb-sticks and memory cards
[04:15] <boojit> it does hang, but hitting ctrl+c has nothing to do with it continuing
[04:15] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: than /dev/sda should be your usb-disk
[04:15] <boojit> it just hangs for about 2 minutes and then continues
[04:16] <FallenHi1okiri> danny: my girly comes over this evening - she should have a usb-stick... if you have time I can tell you if it works ;)
[04:16] <elvirolo> FallenHi1okiri: nope, doesn't work :(
[04:16] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: what do you do and what's the error?
[04:16] <boojit> Ayway, if anyone else is seeing the computer just hang for 2+ minutes on boot since the last set of feisty updates, give your favorite boojit a shout-out
[04:16] <danny> FallenHi1okiri: what time would this be?
[04:17] <boojit> s/Ayway/Anyway
[04:17] <elvirolo> FallenHi1okiri:sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb/ ; /dev/sda1 doesn't exist
[04:17] <FallenHi1okiri> danny: I think in 1 hour or 2
[04:17] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: try /dev/s [tab]  to see if there is any device
[04:18] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: When you plug your stick, what does the command 'dmesg' on a console say at the end?
[04:18] <hylje> dmesg | tail
[04:18] <elvirolo> FallenHi1okiri:  nope, there aren't any
[04:18] <danny> FallenHi1okiri: ok. i will either stay online or return later.
[04:19] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: just the standard messages I alwas get - ext3 filesystem, sdb1, ... nothing special, no errors
[04:19] <Alminote> heya
[04:19] <Alminote> anyone with 32bit fiesty here?
[04:19] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: reconnect your drive an do a dmesg | tail -n 20
[04:19] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: So your stick is on sdb1 ;)
[04:19] <FallenHi1okiri> Alminote: yes
[04:19] <boojit> Alminote: i think most of us are running 32bit feisty
[04:19] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: yes
[04:19] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: sda is my internal drive
[04:20] <Alminote> cool :) I need libxcb.so.1 (or whatever it points to) and libxcb-xlib.so.0 32bit versions
[04:20] <Alminote> could you possibly send it?
[04:20] <Alminote> (needed for quake3 :D)
[04:20] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: I also can unmount it via commandline, only in gnome I get a "cannot eject volume"
[04:20] <elvirolo> FallenHi1okiri: it doesn't appear i'm afraid
[04:20] <boojit> Alminote: holdy
[04:20] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: And the stick is not mounted automaticly, or where is the problem?
[04:21] <FallenHi1okiri> elvirolo: if nothing changes there seems to be a little more wrong than just feisty
[04:21] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: Do you mount it with 'sudo' or without 'sudo'?
[04:21] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: it's mountet but I cannot unmount it through gnome
[04:21] <elvirolo> FallenHi1okiri: ok, i'll try it on another pc
[04:21] <Alminote> I looked but didn't find them in packages as 32 bit versions, I think they simply aren't
[04:21] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: with sudo
[04:22] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: So mount it without 'sudo' and you should be able to unmount it.
[04:22] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: it's automaticaly mountet - I just can't unmount it. this appeard after switching from herd5 to beta - a fresh install of feisty beta didn't solve it.
[04:22] <CarlF1> no iso's?  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current
[04:24] <CarlF1> apr 2 seems to be the last day that had files
[04:24] <boojit> Alminote: http://www.pundo.com/libxcb.tar.gz
[04:24] <agresor> i done all... Just one thing i have not clear in linux ?  HOW TO PLAY GAMESSS :)
[04:24] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: When you plug the stick the volume gets mounted with 'sudo' privileges? This sounds strange ...
[04:24] <Alminote> boojit, boo-yeah! thanks dude
[04:24] <agresor> I need counter strike 1.6 to play
[04:24] <boojit> Alminote: np
[04:24] <agresor> how to do that  ? "D
[04:24] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: yes - for me too...
[04:24] <Alminote> i think all 32bit libs should still be present in packages
[04:25] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: Hmmm... Is there something in /etc/fstab?
[04:25] <boojit> agresor: there's no direct answer to HOW TO PLAY GAMES, but for specific games you may want to look up either Wine or Cedega
[04:25] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: no
[04:25] <boojit> I don't play CounterStrike myself so can't speak to that specific game. Cedega has an impressive list of games supported under linux though.
[04:26] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: And if you change something in the gnome-volume-properties?
[04:27] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: hm... I'll try it in a moment, just have a visitor
[04:27] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: np
[04:27] <Alminote> boojit, q3 works again :)
[04:27] <agresor> Is cedega free ?
[04:28] <lupine_85> no
[04:29] <boojit> agresor: no
[04:30] <agresor> so... i hope that wine support CS :D
[04:30] <boojit> agresor: you can find about support for your favorite game under cedega here: http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/
[04:30] <Alminote> wine supports CS more or less
[04:30] <Alminote> sadly there's no wine in 64
[04:31] <Alminote> atleast.. I don't have it in 64bit packages anymore (my home 32bit fiesty has it)
[04:31] <agresor> Alminote,  did u try to play CS on wine ?
[04:31] <Alminote> yes, had some success, but I didn't test much
[04:32] <Alminote> not much of a CS player
[04:32] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: nope. can't change something - owner root. (external drive=yes, removeable=no)
[04:32] <agresor> heh cool :)
[04:33] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: And if you unmount it on a console and mount it without 'sudo'?
[04:34] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: doensn't work, I can only mount it as root. (I don't have it in my fstab)
[04:35] <minimec> FallenHi1okiri: Ok. I am sorry, but I cannot help you.
[04:35] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: no problem
[04:35] <agresor> Amaranth,  how works with wine ?      "wine  example.exe" ?
[04:35] <FallenHi1okiri> minimec: firefox is the only x-application I use so theres no point in not unmounting it via umount ;)
[04:36] <jussi01> agresor, yeah, thats how wine works
[04:37] <agresor> lol i start
[04:37] <agresor> wine  Sam2.exe
[04:38] <agresor> and i got 640x480
[04:38] <agresor> resolution :S
[04:38] <agresor> how to fix resolution ? :S
[04:41] <Poul^Laptop> hey, i am sitting by a firewall and each time i have to ssh to get acces to the internet.  ssh -T -l username host ect and it then promt me for the password to the user. Is it posible to make so it automatic remember the password each time?
[04:42] <Poul^Laptop> hey, i am sitting by a firewall and each time i have to ssh to get acces to the internet.  ssh -T -l username host ect and it then promt me for the password to the user. Is it posible to make so it automatic remember the password each time?
[04:42] <Tomcat_> Poul^Laptop: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30709
[04:43] <Poul^Laptop> so the server need to support it?
[04:48] <DanaG> e1000: eth0: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -22
[04:53] <Toma-> ok, i installed fesity. was great fun. playing same-gnome and blackjack while waiting :) tried to install ndiswrapper and went fine, but theres no wlan0 interface getting made. and yes, i did ndiswrapper -m and its aliased to wlan0 and modprobed, but still, no wlan0.
[04:54] <valehru> does anyone here use gpsd with ubuntu?  is there any nice applications that display GPS information in a gtk window ?
[05:01] <SuperTeece> Hi all
[05:01] <Poul^Laptop> Tomcat_, I cant use that guide, as the host do not support it
[05:02] <Tomcat_> Poul^Laptop: Bad luck then... I don't know if there are any ways to save SSH passwords.
[05:02] <SuperTeece> So far Feisty has had the best out-of-box wireless support I have seen to date in Linux. This only issue I have is that if I lose signal for any reason, I can not reconnect unless I reboot. Any Ideas?
[05:03] <Poul^Laptop> Tomcat_,  ok - its because of the -T in the ssh connection .  "You may only connect without a pseudo-tty!"
[05:03] <Toma-> SuperTeece: i cant even get a wlan0 with my wireless 8-/
[05:04] <SuperTeece> Toma mine is recognized as eth0
[05:04] <Toma-> bizzare!
[05:04] <SuperTeece> which card do you have?
[05:04] <Toma-> bog standard rtl8180L chipset
[05:04] <Poul^Laptop> Maybe someone can help me with that, when i wanna make a connection in the ssh config file so i can just ssh <shotcut>.  I have no clue what to write for the -T (You may only connect without a pseudo-tty!)
[05:04] <SuperTeece> drivers installed?
[05:04] <Toma-> tried modprobe the drivers, tried ndiswrapper
[05:04] <Toma-> no luck.
[05:04] <SuperTeece> try fwcutter
[05:05] <Toma-> is it locally available?
[05:05] <SuperTeece> let me check
[05:05] <Toma-> also, im trying to only follow the UBuntu user guide so i can file bugs :)
[05:06] <SuperTeece> Toma it is in the Universe
[05:06] <SuperTeece> ah, well that is good
[05:06] <Toma-> and gosh. i try running the restricted drivers manager, and it says Im "All good"... so i turn desktop effects on to see if i am, and BAM. white screen of death.
[05:06] <SuperTeece> I try to use it as I would normally
[05:07] <Toma-> seems a bit suss.
[05:07] <SuperTeece> nvidia?
[05:07] <Toma-> yeh
[05:07] <SuperTeece> luckily I am on a laptop running intel graphics
[05:07] <Toma-> heh. it really is quite unstable imho!
[05:07] <SuperTeece> I'm about to dualboot my desktop, it has nvidia so it will get 6.10
[05:08] <Toma-> so within about 2 mins of use, i have no gui, and no network.
[05:08] <Krazytekn0> Issue : When I click a link anywhere other than in Firefox, firefox opens the link but firefox does not automatically become the active application, is there a way to fix this
[05:09] <SuperTeece> I've used dapper, edgy, redhat7 through fedora core 1,3, and 5, suse, this has been my favorite so far
[05:09] <Krazytekn0> Also, don't just refer me to the forums, bugtracker, or issue bot commands to me, this is not helpful
[05:09] <SuperTeece> Krazytek0 you mean it opens in the background?
[05:09] <Krazytekn0> SuperTeece exactly I couldn't think of how to say it
[05:10] <Xif> Guys, what's the relation between Feisty and Devil's Pie?
[05:10] <SuperTeece> hold one, let me look around
[05:10] <Toma-> SuperTeece: apart from the BulletProofX exploding in a blaze of white, and the mysterious network device, its pretty good :)
[05:10] <SuperTeece> Toma, also the windows migration tool did nothing for me at all during the install, lol
[05:11] <Toma-> SuperTeece: hah. yeh i got a little option about gaim, firefox and something else... pfft!
[05:11] <Toma-> well i might dive back in. bbl.
[05:11] <Xif> does it get installed on Feisty by default?
[05:14] <Chr1831> hello
[05:14] <tyger> g'day room. anyone else having problems with the adode acrobat firefox plugins since the last update?
[05:14] <Chr1831> my kicker wont let me edit the items...., i have edited the menu yet none of the changes take affect :-\ (i am running kubuntu 7.04)
[05:15] <Krazytekn0> tyger, are you on 64 or 32 bit?
[05:15] <tyger> 32
[05:15] <SuperTeece> Krazytekn0 are you good with config files?
[05:15] <Krazytekn0> SuperTeece, Yeah, I'm comfortable with doing some editing
[05:16] <Krazytekn0> tyger, I've had trouble but I thought it was just cause I hacked together a 32bit firefox
[05:17] <Krazytekn0> tyger whenever I click an pdf link it won't open in the browser... same thing for you?
[05:17] <SuperTeece> sorry, I lost connection
[05:17] <SuperTeece> Krazytekn0 are you good with config files?
[05:17] <tyger> Krazytekn0: what happens is that FF freezes, and the cpu goes to 100%.  i thin have to kill FF and acrobat.
[05:18] <Krazytekn0> SuperTeece yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with them
[05:18] <Krazytekn0> tyger, hmm, that's not what's happening to me. ... I'd report it as a bug
[05:18] <SuperTeece> ok I have a link for you to checkout, may have something you can play around with to get that working
[05:18] <Krazytekn0> tyger this is the fun of Beta
[05:18] <SuperTeece> http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/tabs_config.htm
[05:18] <Chr1831> where do i report a bug?
[05:19] <zak> getting 404 errors when apt tries to install gamin0/libgamin0... what's with this?
[05:19] <Chr1831> i really wanna edit my kicker lol
[05:19] <Krazytekn0> SuperTeece thanks I'll check it out
[05:19] <Krazytekn0> !bug
[05:19] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:19] <SuperTeece> in the system menu
[05:19] <tyger> Krazytekn0: i will, i just like to check first.
[05:19] <Krazytekn0> !bug | Chr1831
[05:19] <SuperTeece> Chr1831 in the system menu
[05:19] <ubotu> Chr1831: please see above
[05:19] <Chr1831> thanks :D
[05:19] <Chr1831> does it matter that i run kubuntu?
[05:19] <Krazytekn0> tyger, sorry I couldn't help you
[05:20] <Krazytekn0> Chr1831 no it doesn't matter
[05:20] <tyger> Krazytekn0: no worries.  i'm used to beta testing.  i work with solaris 10 and freebsd too. :)
[05:21] <ryan_> I installed a unstable graphics driver for intel gma last night, I used the pachage manager. Now this morning I cant get into gnome. its just blank. I tried sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart, that didnt help. So how can install the old driver using the tty thing(Im new to linux)
[05:23] <RobHu> I did a dist-upgrade in feisty, but it broke my system. Beforehand I made a lvm snapshot of / Is there a command that will restore / to the state it is in the snapshot?
[05:23] <zak> ryan_: hopefully you'll sort it out... but if you're new to linux, why are you using a pre-release distro?
[05:23] <ryan_> because i couldnt get the other versions of ubuntu to install, it wouldnt even start the live cd
[05:24] <ryan_> it worked for the beta tho
[05:24] <Krazytekn0> ryan_, do you know the name of the old driver you were using
[05:24] <ryan_> no
[05:24] <ryan_> thats my problem
[05:24] <protocol1>  is there some reason why I cant play windows media streams in my mplayer?
[05:24] <Krazytekn0> ok we'll try vesa, should work for just about everything just slow
[05:24] <Krazytekn0> ryan_ I'll be right back with the directions
[05:24] <ryan_> ok thanks
[05:25] <CarinArr> protocol1: do you have w32codecs installed?
[05:25] <protocol1> Im thinking that I need to configure something right or install a plugin
[05:25] <darx> hi folks
[05:25] <protocol1> CarinArr, I believe so?
[05:25] <darx> video doesn't work with beryl and ATI x300
[05:26] <darx> any suggestions?
[05:26] <CarinArr> not sure then, that'd just be the first thing i'd try;)
[05:26] <darx> it shows up as a black screen
[05:26] <Toma-> Ok Sitting here in front of a black screen, nvidia module is loaded, xorg.conf has it specified, yet it still wont work. Ideas?
[05:26] <Krazytekn0> ryan_ ok from tty first thing you're going to do is copy your xorg.conf (display and input config file) so if it totally borks you can get it back.
[05:26] <CarinArr> Toma-: have you checked the xorg log?
[05:26] <Poul^Laptop> is there a flag to enable for the cp command so if the target folder ~/.vim/doc/ dont exist then it automatic create it?
[05:26] <Krazytekn0> ryan_ the command is sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /ect/X11/xorg.conf.old
[05:27] <Toma-> CarinArr: ee no drivers found
[05:27] <CarinArr> Toma-: can you !pastebin your xorg.conf?
[05:27] <CarinArr> !pastebin
[05:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:27] <CarinArr> heh
[05:28] <Krazytekn0> ryan_ next you'll edit xorg.conf with sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:28] <CarinArr> Poul^Laptop: you can make a script for it i suppose
[05:28] <protocol1> CarinArr, well I am using realplayer to watch my streams...but I figured I could get better quality with something else
[05:28] <ryan_> ok
[05:28] <CarinArr> protocol1: sorry i don't know.. i don't realy watch streams
[05:28] <coz_> does anyone have alink to the list of this mornings updats for feisty?
[05:29] <Toma-> CarinArr not without alot of messing around... The driver is set to nvidia, dri and glx are in modules..
[05:29] <amx> this morning update seems to have broken "screen"
[05:29] <Joe_CoT> is there any ati legacy package for feisty?
[05:29] <shawnr> hey guys
[05:29] <ryan_> ok
[05:29] <Krazytekn0> ryan_ next go down to the section called device and where it says Driver   "whatever"  replace that with Driver   "vesa"
[05:29] <amx> I get "Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied"
[05:29] <Poul^Laptop> CarinArr, so theres no default option for it?
[05:29] <amx> any idea?
[05:29] <CarinArr> coz_: have you checked /var/log/dpkg.log?
[05:29] <Krazytekn0> but it has to be in Section Device
[05:29] <CarinArr> if you've already installed them
[05:30] <coz_> CarinArr, no let me so that now
[05:30] <Toma-> Also, can u turn desktopeffects off from cli?
[05:30] <ryan_> ok
[05:30] <CarinArr> Toma-: what is the device identifier for the card?
[05:31] <shawnr> any new news on the new legacy drivers yet?
[05:31] <CarinArr> amx	my screen works fine
[05:31] <Krazytekn0> then to save, you use the write out command which is control + O  (letter o not zero)
[05:31] <Toma-> Generic ;/ its a nvidia 6200
[05:31] <shawnr> hope this issue is resolved soon
[05:31] <lotusleaf> shawnr, subscribe to the related lp in progress page
[05:31] <ryan_> ok
[05:31] <shawnr> where?
[05:31] <shawnr> i would like to be updated ;p
[05:31] <lotusleaf> shawnr, I don't have the link handy
[05:31] <Krazytekn0> then you restart and cross your fingers :O
[05:32] <lotusleaf> shawnr, but see my thread on ubuntuforums.org
[05:32] <CarinArr> Poul^Laptop: not that i know of
[05:32] <shawnr> is it the bug report page?
[05:32] <orbish> question for you i-don't-restart-under-any-circumstances people... just fixed beryl, i go into restricted drivers manager, and it wants me to restart, anything i can do to trick it? already restarted gdm
[05:32] <lotusleaf> shawnr, regarding legacy drivers
[05:32] <amx> CarinArr: you have a /var/run/screen dir I presume?
[05:32] <Poul^Laptop> CarinArr, ok
[05:32] <lotusleaf> shawnr, search by my nick and "legacy"
[05:32] <lotusleaf> shawnr, the link to the lp page for that is there
[05:32] <ryan_> how do i restart?
[05:32] <lotusleaf> shawnr, more details in my post
[05:32] <shawnr> cool
[05:32] <coz_> CarinArr, you know of any reports of x crashing when trying to use compiz or beryl? I have one fellow on edgy as well witht he same problems after this mornings updates both of which apparenlty have updated xorg among other system files
[05:32] <CarinArr> Toma-: so it doesn't actually list your nvidia card in the Device section?
[05:32] <Krazytekn0> exit nano with control + X
[05:32] <shawnr> i will check that out thanks
[05:32] <lotusleaf> shawnr, if you subscribe directly to the page on lp you will be notified by email yw
[05:32] <Joe_CoT> i see stuff about nvidia legacy? anything about ati legacy?
[05:32] <Krazytekn0> then type sudo init 6
[05:32] <ryan_> ok
[05:33] <ryan_> thanks
[05:33] <Toma-> CarinArr, nope.
[05:33] <CarinArr> coz_: yeah, i get that everytime i update xorg.. is he using the nvidia drivers from nvidia?
[05:33] <CarinArr> Toma-: maybe try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:33] <Toma-> CarinArr, it shows in lspci tho
[05:33] <coz_> CarinArr, well i am using them and x is crashing like crazy ...wha tis the solution
[05:33] <Toma-> Yeh tried that three times
[05:33] <Krazytekn0> SuperTeece you having connection problems today?
[05:34] <CarinArr> Toma-: sorry.. don't know.. but i think that's where the problem lies, in it not recognising that it's an actual nvidia card in xorg
[05:34] <CarinArr> maybe google?
[05:34] <orbish> i figured how to fix nvidia-legacy if someone needs help with that
[05:34] <CarinArr> coz_: try reinstalling the nvidia drivers
[05:34] <CarinArr> that works for me
[05:34] <coz_> CarinArr, ok thanks
[05:34] <CarinArr> just ./NVIDIAwhatever --uninstall
[05:34] <CarinArr> then install again
[05:34] <SuperTeece> Krazytekn0 yeah, but voluntary ones, trying to nail down an issue
[05:35] <Toma-> CarinArr, ok thanks..
[05:35] <CarinArr> sorry Toma-, can't think what else to suggest
[05:35] <orbish> what card, Toma-
[05:36] <SuperTeece> if I lose wireless connection I can not reconnect unless I reboot
[05:36] <Toma-> Yeh its making me confused ;/
[05:36] <SuperTeece> I was just trying the ifdown / ifup commands and they did not help
[05:36] <CarinArr> Toma-: do you have an onboard video card as well?
[05:36] <Toma-> orbish, 6200 nvidia. The module loads fine
[05:36] <Toma-> CarinArr, i do, but its disabled
[05:38] <Toma-> Thank god my lil nokia 770 has irc ;)
[05:38] <CarinArr> if you do lspci, does the bus id correspond to the one in org.conf?
[05:38] <CarinArr> xorg.conf even
[05:39] <victory747> Hi, suddenly this morning ubuntu(feisty) boots with "waiting for root filesystem" and it seems it's because the volume group is not activated.  If I activate it after waiting times out, it goes on and boots.  Any ideas what's up?
[05:39] <Toma-> Yep
[05:40] <CarinArr> odd
[05:40] <coz_> CarinArr, thanks workd just fine
[05:40] <CarinArr> you using the packaged nvidia drivers or the ones from nvidia's website?
[05:40] <Toma-> I think i have an idea..
[05:40] <Toma-> Packaged
[05:41] <CarinArr> coz_: cool:)
[05:41] <Krazytekn0> Man you don't want to be running feisty if you have a slow internet or download restriction, I've probably downloaded a Gig of updates this week
[05:41] <coz_> CarinArr, apparently a strange way to go about dealing with updates :)
[05:42] <lotusleaf> Krazytekn0, I've been using/updating feisty ubuntu+kubuntu @ 56k since beta with no problems
[05:42] <Krazytekn0> ick lotusleaf
[05:42] <lotusleaf> Krazytekn0, could be worse ;)
[05:42] <orbish> no.
[05:43] <Toma-> I really hope the r818x bug gets fixed ;/
[05:43] <lotusleaf> Krazytekn0, I even downloaded the feisty beta iso @ 56k :P
[05:43] <CarinArr> coz_: yeah i know.. i just stumbled across the solution after noticing that xorg had been updated.. thought i'd give reinstalling the drivers a shot
[05:43] <shawnr> last night i had 20 updates waiting to be downloaded, this morning i have 59 lol
[05:44] <lotusleaf> shawnr, the key is to stay awake and just keep hitting update ;)
[05:44] <shawnr> its cool though, just lets you know ubuntu team is working hard
[05:44] <coz_> CarinArr, well i was pretty upset after the updates going to every relvant channel and complaining
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> good to see bugs are getting worked out thou
[05:44] <coz_> CarinArr, :)
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> lotusleaf, just set a cron job to do that for you every 2 hours
[05:44] <b0xii> 2.6.20 + ati + 64bit is making me crazy
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:44] <lotusleaf> nomasteryoda, :)
[05:44] <Trewas> it would take a rich man to use ubuntu with a modem here (every minute costs with a modem), much much cheaper to use adsl/cablemodem :)
[05:45] <lotusleaf> Trewas, wow
[05:45] <Toma-> I have 3 modules trying to control agp. Pffft
[05:46] <CarinArr> coz_: well this is sort of the problem with beta
[05:46] <coz_> CarinArr, yeah I realize that been using beta ubuntu since the beginning but this one really ticked me off :)
[05:46] <CarinArr> heh
[05:46] <CarinArr> i just blame nvidia by default whenever my xserver crashes
[05:47] <CarinArr> normally a good place to start error checking
[05:47] <SuperTeece> I'm getting alot of lag today, think I'll powercycle my routers and modem, back in a few
[05:47] <CarinArr> people actually use modems nowadays?;)
[05:47] <CarinArr> well.. dialup ones
[05:47] <coz_> CarinArr, mm not sure that fits here though sounds more like an xorg problem but then ... it is fixed and i will have to pay attention to that next time
[05:47] <orbish> no, it's some sort of sick joke
[05:48] <shawnr> i blame nvidia 4 moving my card to legacy lol
[05:48] <orbish> my ti4600 cost $300 like 2-3 years ago :/
[05:48] <CarinArr> what card shawn	?;)
[05:48] <shawnr> im on laptop, 440 Go
[05:48] <lotusleaf> IMO it was very "odd" timing for all these cards to hit legacy just as feisty's set to get desktop bling.. tinfoil hats blazing!
[05:49] <CarinArr> coz_: very possibly xorg problem but my blame nvidia thing worked in that it fixed the problem.. temporarily;)
[05:49] <coz_> CarinArr, :)
[05:49] <CarinArr> shawnr: really? i had that in my old latop
[05:49] <CarinArr> laptop even
[05:49] <Toma-> All the legacy cards suck at beryl anyway
[05:49] <shawnr> yea, it is/was a popular laptop card
[05:50] <CarinArr> i dunno.. i was running 3d graphics software on the 440 go less than a year ago, pretty sure it would have run beryl okay (though possibly ever so slightly slow);)
[05:50] <shawnr> lol, thats funny, cause a few months ago on dapper i was running compiz just fine lol
[05:51] <shawnr> minus the rain effects
[05:51] <Toma-> Ok, ive got X running, but still a white screen of death.
[05:51] <CarinArr> now i have the pleasure of a 512mb nvidia 7600 in my laptop and a quadrofx on my desktop
[05:51] <CarinArr> \o/
[05:51] <CarinArr> hhe
[05:52] <Toma-> I gotta turn off these desktopeffects via cli ;<
[05:52] <CarinArr> Toma-: did you say you had three agp modules running?
[05:53] <shawnr> crap... brb
[05:53] <Toma-> Yeh. sis-agp, amd64-agp and everybodys favourite, agpgart
[05:54] <CarinArr> you running 64bit ubuntu?
[05:54] <shawnr> back ;p
[05:54] <Toma-> Nope
[05:55] <Toma-> 64bit cpu tho
[05:55] <CarinArr> okay
[05:55] <CarinArr> just checking;)
[05:55] <Toma-> Haha. Failsafe Gnome even runs desktop-effects
[05:55] <Toma-> How totally stupid
[05:55] <shawnr> CarinA, did you install a new gcard yourself or buy a new laptop
[05:56] <CarinArr> new laptop;)
[05:56] <CarinArr> don't think i could physically have fit it into my old dell
[05:56] <shawnr> carinarr, how much?
[05:56] <CarinArr> heh
[05:57] <CarinArr> mmm
[05:57] <CarinArr> 1450 gbp
[05:57] <CarinArr> but it's a work machine i didn't pay for it myself;)
[05:57] <shawnr> mine was like 1600usd a few years ago
[05:57] <shawnr> top of the line then lol
[05:57] <Toma-> Yay! Fixed.
[05:57] <shawnr> bottom of the barrel now
[05:57] <CarinArr> what is it shawnr?
[05:57] <CarinArr> what did you do Toma-?
[05:58] <shawnr> compaq presario r3000 amd 64
[05:58] <Toma-> Failsafe terminal > desktop-effects > Disable
[05:59] <shawnr> 1gig ram
[05:59] <CarinArr> Toma-: do the desktop effects use any sort of composite?
[05:59] <cypher1> can anyone please tell me, what is meant by held packages.. i am having problems upgrading to Feisty Beta
[05:59] <Arko> when I switch from VT to X (alt+F7) I got black screen with mouse pointer. That occurred after update. Any help?
[06:00] <Toma-> CarinArr, yeh, its all compiz
[06:00] <shawnr> cypher1, how are you trying to upgrade... what method?
[06:00] <CarinArr> shawnr: ah.. i had a dell inspiron 8200 which was pretty mch top of the line when i got it as well.. really liked it untl my harddrive decided to die completely
[06:00] <Toma-> Ok. Onto the wireless.
[06:00] <cypher1> shawnr, mounted iso through loopback and executed cdromupgrade
[06:01] <CarinArr> Toma-: might've worked if you'd enabled the composite stuff in the driver
[06:01] <shawnr> CarinArr, lol. mine too, i had to replace the HD when i first started using linux because Fedora f'd it up somehow
[06:01] <Toma-> Probably. Just exploring atm
[06:01] <CarinArr> cool.. have fun with the wireless;)
[06:01] <shawnr> cyphase, what type of connection do you have
[06:02] <shawnr> cypherl, *
[06:02] <cypher1> shawnr, i choose not to use the network
[06:02] <CarinArr> i'm still using a really old kernel on my desktop with edgy because i had to custom compile ndiswrapper to convince my wireless to sort-of-work in the first place
[06:02] <shawnr> CarinArr, i actually was able to get my wifi working with wrapper
[06:03] <CarinArr> don't dare touch it now
[06:03] <CarinArr> my laptop luckily worked out of box
[06:04] <shawnr> CarinArr, when i installed the ndiswrapper it found my card immediately, took me a while to realize that I had to blacklist the default broadcomm wireless driver that came with the distro
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> has beryl been replaced by compiz on feisty?
[06:04] <Toma-> Right, i hate ndis. It wont let me make wlan0
[06:04] <shawnr> CarinArr, once i did that it worked just fine with no other configs
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> knowing of the merger..
[06:05] <cypher1> shawnr, any clue ?
[06:05] <CarinArr> shawnr: mine wouldn't even install the driver with the packaged ndiswrapper
[06:05] <CarinArr> nomasteryoda: not sure.. i installed beryl using the wiki on the beryl site;)
[06:05] <shawnr> cypherl, no sorry, i was going to suggest running the update manager to update to feisty
[06:06] <cypher1> i filed bug 102889 for it..
[06:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 102889 in update-manager "Upgrade to Feisty (Kubuntu) Beta failed" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102889
[06:06] <boojit> HI just wanted to check with others again: has anyone having issues with boot hanging for 2+ minutes since the last batch of feisty updates?
[06:06] <CarinArr> boojit: no. but my boot did seem to take slightly longer than normal
[06:06] <shawnr> CarinArr, i installed the front end for ndiswrapper and worked like a charm
[06:06] <CarinArr> not several minutes though
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> did it stop to scan your drive ?
[06:07] <CarinArr> shawnr: you're lucky;)
[06:07] <boojit> nomasteryoda: no...it's somethign to do with networking. When you watch the boot information screen,
[06:08] <Krazytekn0> is there a way to get the gnome panel to show ALL windows not just the ones in the current viewport/workspace
[06:08] <CarinArr> i checked everywhere for compatibility with ubuntu, got a card that was supposed tow ork out of box, only to find that there had been a slight update to the chipset
[06:08] <CarinArr> story of my life
[06:08] <boojit> you get to configuring network interfaces.... and then it hangs for 2+ minutes before you get [OK] 
[06:08] <boojit> CarinArr: interesting. What's your networking hardware?
[06:08] <CarinArr> builtin laptop wireless card
[06:09] <CarinArr> lemme check
[06:09] <Telep> Krazytekn0, try right-clicking on the window-list handle and select Preferences
[06:09] <Telep> there should be a preference for showing all windows from all workspaces
[06:09] <CarinArr> Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[06:09] <boojit> yeah see that's me too, somebody asked me if i'm using ndiswrapper and i didn't even know since i've never borked around with it -- my networking both wireless and wired has always worked right out of the box
[06:09] <CarinArr> mine worked out of box too
[06:10] <boojit> sorry "that's me too" meaning "having to check" not that i'm using an Intel card
[06:10] <CarinArr> apart from i have to do ifdown/ifup after i boot it up
[06:10] <Krazytekn0> Telep Thanks a bunch, don't know how I didn't find that already, but I'm new to gnome
[06:10] <Infecto> hmm
[06:10] <boojit> I'm using an atheors-based IBM card, builtin to my thinkpad t42
[06:10] <CarinArr> heh okay
[06:10] <Infecto> did some one have problems with opera ?
[06:10] <Telep> Krazytekn0, sure no problem :)
[06:11] <Infecto> stop works after reboot
[06:11] <Infecto> tfu
[06:11] <Infecto> dist upgrade
[06:12] <CarinArr> boojit: i have a t42 lying about , but i haven't tried installing feisty on it
[06:12] <boojit> man just lying about? heck send it my way, i'll make sure it doesn't collect any dust!
[06:12] <CarinArr> heh
[06:13] <hylje> thinkpad recycling
[06:13] <boojit> they are beautiful, solid machines, IMO.
[06:13] <Toma-> Yawn. De-blacklisting buggy networking module ;o
[06:13] <CarinArr> with the ctrl key in the wrong place:?
[06:13] <boojit> the T series that is.
[06:13] <CarinArr> :/ even
[06:13] <CarinArr> drives me absolutely insane;)
[06:13] <boojit> my control key isn't in the wrong place -- how do you mean?
[06:14] <CarinArr> bottom left key on my thinkpad keyboard is fn
[06:14] <CarinArr> should be ctrl
[06:14] <boojit> on mine it's fn/ctl/alt/space
[06:14] <boojit> yeah that's me too. I've been using this keyboard for so long i don't notice it
[06:14] <CarinArr> yeah, but it shouldn't be fn, it should be ctrl;)
[06:14] <boojit> but when i use a fullsize keyboard now i hit the windows key when i mean ctrl
[06:15] <CarinArr> yeah that's the problem
[06:15] <DanaG> You should see Toshiba -- to the right of the spacebar are INS and DEL, not "context menu"
[06:15] <CarinArr> i can't switch between.. keep hitting fn instead
[06:15] <shawnr> CarinArr, this whole legacy thing is even messing with my wine, im trying to get some yahoo games running for my girlfriend but wine is unable to "find glx on device"
[06:15] <DanaG> I refuse to ever buy Toshiba, for that one reason.
[06:15] <boojit> yepp. But really if that's the biggest complaint a guy can come up with, that's pretty darn good.
[06:15] <CarinArr> DanaG: tell me about it.. my new laptop is a toshiba
[06:15] <DanaG> My Gateway has fn-ctrl-win-alt
[06:15] <boojit> every laptop keyboard seems to have its own quirks that way
[06:16] <CarinArr> the enter key is double ide instead of double tall, putting the # in the wrong place, the ,./ keys are all narrower than all other keys, and the \| key is to the right of the arrows
[06:16] <DanaG> I have a Gateway M685.
[06:16] <boojit> CarinArr: man sounds like you should just cut your losses and send that laptop to me post haste
[06:16] <CarinArr> makes programming very cackhanded
[06:16] <DanaG> The two things that bug me most: I keep bumping the touchpad, and I hit enter instead of apostrophe.
[06:16] <DanaG> It
[06:16] <DanaG> s like this
[06:17] <DanaG> .
[06:17] <CarinArr> lol boojit
[06:17] <boojit> bah, I hella program on this thing! it's just what you're used to.
[06:17] <CarinArr> lol yeah DanaG
[06:17] <boojit> I do hit enter instead of apostrophe sometimes'
[06:17] <CarinArr> i do wish this laptop had a nippleas well as the touchpad so i could turn it off
[06:18] <DanaG> Oh, and my top row is esc-f1-f2-f3-f4-f5-f6-f7-f8-f9-f10-f11-f12-scroll-pause-ins-del    then   home,pgup,pgdn,end
[06:18] <boojit> the first thing i do on a t-series is turn off the touchpad. the red dot is where it's at if you ask me.
[06:18] <DanaG> s/dot/eraser/
[06:19] <DanaG> Oddly, those three keys are (Pause/Break),(Ins/PrtSc),(Del/SysRq)
[06:19] <CarinArr> it's not a dot it's not an eraser it's a nipple;)
[06:19] <DanaG> where the latter is accessed with fn.
[06:19] <penguin42> CarinArr: Have you tried ringing up and asking for spare nipples?
[06:19] <CarinArr> but anyhow, yeah.. i always used to turn touchpad off, but the toshiba doesn't have a dot/eraser/nipple which is highly annoying
[06:19] <DanaG> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101039
[06:19] <CarinArr> lol, mmmm no
[06:20] <DanaG> The only thing is, my screen is frickin' dim.
[06:20] <DanaG> It's not an ultrabright.  However, I'm not the one that decided not to get the ultrabright for me.
[06:20] <boojit> man check out the erasers on that laptop that is hot
[06:20] <CarinArr> the thinkpad wasn't too bad to program with apart from the fn/ctrl and esc/f1 problmems
[06:20] <CarinArr> which are both very annoying when you use vim
[06:21] <CarinArr> the toshiba keyboard is just a mess.. BUT it's a desktop replacement so i won't need to swap machines much so hopefully i'll eventually get used to it
[06:21] <CarinArr> hopefully
[06:21] <DanaG> eBay?
[06:21] <hylje> desktop replacement ;_;
[06:22] <penguin42> hylje: He means it's heavy
[06:22] <hylje> 15" displays at 1200x800
[06:22] <CarinArr> she, but yeah
[06:22] <CarinArr> 17" display here
[06:22] <victory747> CarinArr: regarding vim, I just mapped F1 to Esc, and I've never had a problem.
[06:22] <CarinArr> victory747: i did that.. but somehow every now and then i must glance at the keyboard and get it wrong the other way
[06:23] <victory747> They are both mapped to esc
[06:23] <CarinArr> cause regardless f the mapping i kept having help windows popping up regularly when using vim;)
[06:23] <victory747> so no matter which one I hit it works fine
[06:23] <CarinArr> aaaaah
[06:23] <CarinArr> yeah
[06:23] <CarinArr> i shoudl've done that...
[06:23] <CarinArr> never occured to me;)
[06:23] <victory747> and I possibly may have disabled F1 in the console.  I never use it anyway
[06:23] <DanaG> Hah, Gateway sells a 17" widescreen desktop LCD.....
[06:23] <DanaG> 1280x720.  Not 800!
[06:24] <DanaG> 720.  WTF?
[06:24] <chijin> that's the HD resolution
[06:24] <CarinArr> it annoys me that you can't get as high res desktop lcds as you can get laoptop ones
[06:25] <penguin42> DanaG: They sold those 80 pixels to someone else
[06:25] <shawnr> i was pissed when i bought my 19 in widescreen monitor and realized that I doesn't support 1680 errr that pissed me off
[06:25] <penguin42> CarinArr: Yeh odd isn't it
[06:25] <hylje> im spoiled with a 1600x1200 15.4" display
[06:25] <victory747> CarinArr: Yeah, it annoys me too
[06:25] <hylje> so im not really urged to upgrade this box anytime soon
[06:25] <DanaG> Why the heck can't you get a desktop LCD at the same ridiculously high laptop resolutions?
[06:25] <shawnr> i can get 1680 and higher on my laptop screen
[06:25] <DanaG> My dad has a 19" 1440x900 -- and I can see the frickin' subpixels!  Ouch!
[06:25] <CarinArr> hylje: that's what my dell was
[06:25] <shawnr> im stuck with 1440 i hate it
[06:26] <shawnr> everything is too big and cartoony looking lol, if ya know what i mean
[06:26] <DanaG> And who the heck thought of 1280x768?
[06:26] <CarinArr> toshiba is 1440x900 17", which ia bit low res for me, ut a very very nice display apart from that
[06:26] <shawnr> with there was a way to for my monitor to display 1680 but i would probably break the monitor
[06:27] <DanaG> What, you're so cheap that you have to get rid of 32 rows, and thus break EVERY SINGLE THING THAT NEEDS 1280x800?
[06:27] <CarinArr> lol
[06:27] <danjam> I cant access http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu/edgy/ is there a mirror?
[06:27] <hylje> DanaG: yeah, those silly resolutions are tricky
[06:27] <hylje> wtf is the 1366x768 from anyway
[06:27] <DanaG> And 1280x1024 -- it's 5:4.  Who came up with that?
[06:27] <CarinArr> danjam: second person today having problems with cs domains
[06:28] <CarinArr> danjam: what's that page supposed to be?
[06:28] <penguin42> DanaG: And what's wrong with that?
[06:28] <DanaG> It means that when making wallpapers, you have to make 3 resolutions:
[06:28] <CarinArr> 5:4 is a weird aspect ratio
[06:28] <DanaG> 4:3, 16:10, and that one oddball 5:4.
[06:29] <danjam> CarinArr: its the list of edgy versions. Trying to get a copy of the alternative cd
[06:29] <CarinArr> danjam: uhm.. you're in a feisty channel;) but maybe try http://www.ubuntu.com/?
[06:29] <DanaG> Hmm, displayconfig_gtk lists my video driver as nv
[06:29] <DanaG> And I can't change it.
[06:29] <DanaG> I've manually edited my xorg.conf.
[06:32] <Toma-> ok. whens beta2 out? :)
[06:32] <danjam> CarinArr: First time trying to get a dualboot setup without stuffing everything up. I'll wait to see if it comes back up later
[06:33] <CarinArr> toma, not sure
[06:34] <CarinArr> oddly this mornign after updating all packages, there was a "a new version of kubuntu is available" message
[06:34] <CarinArr> but i couldn't click next to install it and after reboot the message is gone
[06:34] <Toma-> hmm bizarre. well till the network issue with r818x is fixed, im out.
[06:35] <Toma-> cant file bugs without the net (easily)
[06:38] <agresor> is there any good ftp client for gnome ?
[06:38] <lotusleaf> !info gftp | agresor
[06:38] <ubotu> agresor: gftp: X/GTK+ FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.18-16ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 44 kB, installed size 76 kB
[06:38] <lotusleaf> agresor, has ssh2 support too
[06:38] <agresor> c00l :)
[06:41] <CarinArr> "a new version of kubuntu is available!"
[06:41] <CarinArr> why won't you let me install it then damnit
[06:43] <shawnr> you guys really prefer KDE to Gnome?
[06:43] <Lynoure> you? I'm not stopping you. Who is?
[06:43] <Lynoure> shawnr: I do.
[06:43] <lotusleaf> shawnr, openbox w/ pypanel for the win
[06:43] <CarinArr> i do
[06:44] <Toma-> e17 > all
[06:44] <shawnr> whats the major appeal?
[06:44] <lotusleaf> shawnr, I like both Gnome and KDE and the respective apps for each
[06:44] <shawnr> i tried it once
[06:44] <Gh0sty> xfce > e17
[06:44] <lotusleaf> shawnr, choice?
[06:44] <lotusleaf> "beauty is in the eye of the beer holder"
[06:44] <CarinArr> well i do'nt actually use kde as such.. just use more kde applications than gnome
[06:44] <darx> how can i check if a certain library is installed?
[06:44] <shawnr> gnomefreak, but havn't used KDE that much
[06:44] <Gh0sty> beer ? where?
[06:45] <gnomefreak> ?
[06:45] <Gh0sty> darx: dpkg -l | grep libraryname or something ?
[06:45] <CarinArr> i used to use fluxbox, but i'm running kde and beryl now.. with kde pretty much hidden away so i can't see it;)
[06:45] <darx> Ghosty thanks
[06:45] <Lynoure> shawnr: configurability.
[06:45] <lotusleaf> CarinArr, do the emerald themes work for you in kde? they wouldn't for me
[06:46] <CarinArr> yeah they work fine
[06:46] <doodad> hi
[06:46] <lotusleaf> hmm k
[06:46] <CarinArr> lotusleaf: how did you install beryl?
[06:46] <lotusleaf> CarinArr, with apt
[06:46] <lotusleaf> CarinArr, it works fine in gnome
[06:46] <doodad> I tried to install beryl, and it broke my GUI.....where is the big 'make it all work again' button?
[06:46] <lotusleaf> doodad, #ubuntu-effects
[06:46] <CarinArr> i installed using http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu
[06:47] <Karark|away> have geforce4s been given full GLX support yet?
[06:47] <shawnr> no
[06:47] <lotusleaf> CarinArr, it works right in gnome so I'm not worried about it
[06:47] <valehru> umm...what the hell is up with firefox?  each time I press the quote button quick find pops up...how the feck do I turn it off?
[06:48] <CarinArr> lotusleaf: yeah, just saying i'm not sure if it works if you install it from another repository than the one listed there
[06:48] <shawnr> anyone?
[06:48] <CarinArr> doodad: broke?
[06:49] <doodad> yeh, i installed beryl and nvidia drivers using a guide. but it wasn't until afterwards that i cam to understand that the new drivers do not support geforce mx 440
[06:50] <doodad> so now when i boot, the graphic GUI does not load, and i'm thrown into a terminal
[06:50] <CarinArr> doodad: you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the line that says Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv"
[06:50] <CarinArr> that should let you boot back in
[06:51] <doodad> CarinArr:
[06:51] <doodad> i installed beryl and nvidia drivers using a guide. but it wasn't until afterwards that i cam to understand that the new drivers do not support geforce mx 440. so now when i boot, the graphic GUI does not load, and i'm thrown into a terminal. i want to undo it all, because i would hate to reinstall ubuntu (im not sure if i would, it took me long enough to get the internet working)
[06:52] <shawnr> doodad, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:52] <CarinArr> uhm.. yes.. that's what i replied to;)
[06:52] <shawnr> doodad, change "nvidia"  to "nv"
[06:52] <shawnr> doodad, then gdm-restart
[06:53] <shawnr> there is a part of me that wishes ubuntu team would steer clear from desktop effects for a little longer and concentrate more on working the kinks out and making the environment more plug and play friendly
[06:53] <aaroncampbell> I'm trying to format a large partition (1999.9G) as Reiserfs.  However, I run "sudo mkreiserfs /dev/sdb1" and I get "Initializing journal - 0%....20%....40%....60%....80%....100%" and then it seems to stall
[06:54] <aaroncampbell> Any ideas?  Or any way that I can tell what's going on?
[06:54] <Toma-> 2TB?
[06:54] <doodad> sorry, i keep getting kicked off of freenode
[06:54] <shawnr> doodad, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:54] <shawnr> doodad, change "nvidia"  to "nv"
[06:54] <shawnr> doodad, then gdm-restart
[06:54] <doodad> i tried that command but there is nothing in the file
[06:54] <shawnr> you typed it wrong then
[06:55] <aaroncampbell> Toma-: yes
[06:55] <Toma-> sweet :)
[06:55] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Have you tried a smaller partition first?
[06:55] <shawnr> doodad, xorg.conf should never be empty, you must have mispelled it and it created a new file
[06:55] <shawnr> navigate to the dir first
[06:55] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: no...I don't have any smaller partitions that aren't being used
[06:56] <shawnr> cd /etc/X11 (thats one, one.. not L L)
[06:56] <CarinArr> aaaaaaargh
[06:56] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: OK, how long have you left it at the stall? Also run a top and see what the machine is doing
[06:56] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: How much RAM does the machine have?
[06:56] <aaroncampbell> wait...it just did something!
[06:57] <aaroncampbell> Syncing..ok
[06:57] <aaroncampbell> Tell your friends to use a kernel based on 2.4.18 or later, and especially not a kernel based on 2.4.9, when you use reiserFS. Have fun.
[06:57] <shawnr> doodad, are you running a live-cd now?
[06:57] <aaroncampbell> ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/sdb1.
[06:57] <doodad> the file is definetly empty
[06:57] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Now what ever you do don't get into having to fsck it!
[06:57] <aaroncampbell> I thought I'd get a progress bar of some sort...that was CRAZY fast...It was only stalled a couple mins...and it's a 2TB drive
[06:58] <doodad> shawnr: no, i booted the pc, and it goes straight to a terminal, i loging (in the terminal)
[06:58] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: It doesn't write the whole partition it just puts down some data strctures
[06:58] <shawnr> doodad, paste the path in here your going to
[06:58] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Out of curiosity what is your partition on - multiple SATA drives?
[06:58] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: because an fsck will take forever?  Or because of something else?
[06:58] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Just because the fsck will take forever
[06:59] <doodad> ---> /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[06:59] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: yep, 5*500G SATA II drives as RAID 5 on a 3Ware 9650 card
[06:59] <shawnr> thats your problem
[06:59] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[06:59] <shawnr> doodad, X11 not x11
[07:00] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Nice; I've got ~1.5TB on an older 3Ware card - I'm curious what performance you see on it
[07:00] <doodad> ah, my bad
[07:00] <shawnr> haha i love you arron: "So, now we look back at the threat If you dont make Linux easier to use, Im going back to Windows.  All I have to say, is if youre not willing to take the time to learn something different (its called work), then dont let the door hit you on the way out."
[07:00] <spasticteapot> I would like to bring up that under Xubuntu Feisty, gxine crashes bleeping constantly.
[07:00] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: well...I'll let you know some time...right now I haven't used it :)
[07:00] <spasticteapot> shawnr: I know what you mean. People sometimes forget that this is free.
[07:00] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Have fun
[07:01] <spasticteapot> That said, gxine is crashy-crashy under xubuntu.
[07:01] <spasticteapot> I wanna watch my movies of tiny R/C airplanes, dangit!
[07:01] <penguin42> spasticteapot: You say it's beeping?
[07:01] <pista> hi. i have a problem with apt-get...when i run apt-get update, it looks like that things went good (except Fetched 4B in 0s on last line). when i then run apt-get upgrade, it throws many errors, that file not found (http://ubuntu...something...[dot] deb)
[07:02] <pista> don't you know, where could be the problem?
[07:02] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: I will.  If you are curious, the 3Ware Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816116043  and the drives: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136073
[07:03] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Have you got iostat installed?
[07:03] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: If there are any tests you want me to run...let me know.  I'm off to fill it up now (moving everything from another system on the network...about 182 Gigs to move)
[07:04] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: doesn't look like it
[07:04] <shawnr> doodad, hows it going
[07:04] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi!
[07:04] <nerdygirl_ellie> Let's try that again.  Hi all.  I am on 7.04 Beta, and have been working great until I pulled down today's updates.  Now I can't start the gnome desktop or the gnome_failsafe desktop.  I am at the gui login screen and It looks like it is trying to start gnome, but then I get kicked back to the (gui) login prompt.
[07:04] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Well if you've got iostat then do an iostat -x 1    and do a   dd if=/dev/zero of=abigfile bs=1024k    and watch the wsec/s column until it stabilises
[07:05] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Should give you an idea of real write bandwidth
[07:05] <oashj> Ok, i changed where it said driver and put 'nv' in there instead
[07:05] <doodad> it is rebooting now
[07:05] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: getting the sysstat package
[07:05] <nerdygirl_ellie> I had compiz working jiggly windows, etc, if that helps.
[07:05] <shawnr> doodad, did you switch 'nvidia' to 'nv' ?
[07:06] <doodad> it didnt work, 'failed to start the X server'
[07:06] <doodad> no, i couldn't see 'nvidia' just 'vesa'
[07:06] <shawnr> thats ok, whats the error
[07:06] <spasticteapot> penguin42: Sorry...finally got it to work.
[07:06] <spasticteapot> Gxine crashes, and the process manager won't let me get rid of it.
[07:07] <spasticteapot> My system works fine, but I've got a big gray square stuck in the center of the screen when this happens.
[07:07] <Parr> Is this the right room for support with Ubunto?  Making sure before i ask silly questions...
[07:07] <doodad> under section 'module' it mentions GLX....is this maybe what is causing it to crash too?
[07:09] <doodad> in the section 'device' it states; identifier 'generic video card' ; driver 'nv'; BusID 'PCI:2:0:0
[07:10] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi Parr.  This is the room for Support of the Ubuntu Feisty beta.  for regular support, try #ubuntu
[07:10] <Parr> ooh, cheers!
[07:10] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: iostat is annoying...constantly scrolling down the console like that...
[07:11] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: Nod - do   iostat -x /dev/sd??? 1
[07:11] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: That will just show the appropriate partition
[07:12] <pista> ...nevermind, looks like server side problem
[07:13] <doodad> can enybody else help me, it appears shawnr left.
[07:13] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: it still scrolls down the terminal.  It also doesn't seem to show anything though.
[07:13] <doodad> I'm trying to get my graphic GUI back, after a failed beryl install
[07:13] <aaroncampbell> aaroncampbell@aaron-linux:~/temp$ dd if=/dev/zero of=abigfile bs=1024k
[07:13] <aaroncampbell> 1403+0 records in
[07:13] <aaroncampbell> 1403+0 records out
[07:13] <aaroncampbell> 1471152128 bytes (1.5 GB) copied, 20.9707 seconds, 70.2 MB/s
[07:13] <aaroncampbell> oops...didn't mean to paste that
[07:14] <aaroncampbell> however, penguin42 that is the result of the dd command
[07:14] <dnl> Does the Ubuntu upstream package freeze affect universe packages?
[07:14] <CarinArr> doodad: did you change nvidia to nv
[07:14] <doodad> i couldn't find nvidia anywhere in that file
[07:14] <FallenHitokiri> doodad: did you uninstall the packages and replaced the configs you changed with your backup?
[07:14] <penguin42> aaroncampbell: 70MB/s is a bit sluggish isn't it? (and with dd you tend not to get the time to sync at the end so some is still being written) ?
[07:15] <FallenHitokiri> doodad: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nvidia should show you if it's there
[07:15] <penguin42> actually may not be that sluggish for a 3ware
[07:15] <aaroncampbell> penguin42: not sure
[07:15] <doodad> it may be because the first time it happened, i let the software automaticaly choose a new graphics driver; which is why i think i found Vesa in the config file, instead of nvidia
[07:16] <doodad> FallenHitokiri, im unsure. i have run an uninstall command on the nvidia drivers already
[07:16] <FallenHitokiri> doodad: did you try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:18] <johnmorr> i'm trying to preseed a netbooted feisty install, but it seems the installer is ignoring my preseed URL - the file is never fetched from the web server and no preseeded values are used. preseeding dapper and edgy installations in the same way works fine. /proc/cmdline shows the preseed/url directive, and setting DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 shows some debconf calls for the preseed url. do i need to change anything to preseed feisty?
[07:18] <robert_> is there an smp version of feisty?
[07:19] <Shaezsche> ok wtf, after latest patches, now on boot my laptop hangs for 30s when it says "configuring network"
[07:19] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: you have networkmanager running?
[07:19] <Shaezsche> lo?
[07:20] <Shaezsche> yes i do
[07:20] <Shaezsche> it only started this after latest patches
[07:20] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: post your /etc/network/interfaces
[07:20] <Shaezsche> where at
[07:20] <doodad2> okk, FallenHitokiri i just ran that command, and selected nv
[07:21] <Shaezsche> in channel?
[07:21] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: rafb.net/paste e.x.
[07:21] <FallenHitokiri> doodad2: and - what happens when you start X?
[07:21] <doodad2> it's rebooting now
[07:21] <phatmonkey> i am about to install ubuntu on my dad's laptop, and i thought i'd try feisty because of the network manager and things. is the beta stable enough for a new user? i don't really want to put him off. will the upgrade to the final version be simple?
[07:21] <Shaezsche> http://rafb.net/p/2ZhyK461.html
[07:22] <Shaezsche> phatmonkey it was stable for me until last updates
[07:22] <doodad2> same error 'failed to start the x server'
[07:22] <doodad2> should i go the the x server output?
[07:22] <Shaezsche> i tried deleting ath and wlan entries, didnt do anything
[07:22] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: hm. when you right click on network-manager-gnome and go to static configuration, what do you see?
[07:23] <FallenHitokiri> doodad2: would be helpfull to have a error message ;)
[07:23] <Shaezsche> it brings up the network panel
[07:23] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: yeah - some wireless devices?
[07:23] <doodad2> it says 'NV: no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) foun. No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found
[07:23] <Shaezsche> network settings
[07:23] <doodad2> it sounds pretty serious
[07:23] <Shaezsche> yes, wireless works fine
[07:23] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: is roaming mode active?
[07:23] <Shaezsche> wireless, wired, and modem
[07:23] <FallenHitokiri> doodad2: can you post your xorg.conf?
[07:24] <Shaezsche> roaming is active
[07:24] <doodad2> um, only if i type it all out...
[07:24] <FallenHitokiri> doodad2: that's not the best idea ;)
[07:24] <doodad2> its pretty long too
[07:24] <FallenHitokiri> doodad2: no network?
[07:25] <doodad2> no, because it just boots me to the terminal. is there any way i can check??
[07:25] <Shaezsche> roaming is active
[07:25] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: hm. I see no reason why NM isn't taking the wireless interface and why your system lags
[07:25] <Shaezsche> it is connecting to wireless
[07:26] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: try to deacitivate your ethernet device
[07:26] <Shaezsche> wired u mean?
[07:26] <FallenHitokiri> Shaezsche: yes
[07:28] <doodad2> FallenHitokiri; the internet is definetly not working. i did a iwconfig, and no access point is associated with my wireless card
[07:29] <FallenHitokiri> doodad2: did you get some questions about your screen while running dpkg?
[07:30] <doodad> FallenHitokiri: is there anything else i can try???
[07:30] <FallenHitokiri> doodad: configure X by hand ;)
[07:30] <doodad> oh my
[07:31] <FallenHitokiri> doodad: http://rafb.net/p/4Z1jFe60.html  just as a hint - should look this way
[07:31] <FallenHitokiri> doodad: in line 100 it's getting interessting for you
[07:32] <TechVista> Sorry if this silly noob Q but I is running Vista,  can fiesty installer run from windows completly without a reboot ? so if I have a spare partition on my main drive I can run the fiesty.iso from a virtual disc drive such as deamon tools or do I need to still burn a disc nd installl from live?
[07:32] <doodad> while i'm looking at that; is there any way i can re-install the original drivers that came with ubuntu, off the ubuntu cd?
[07:32] <nerdygirl_ellie> Techvista:  for you, maybe a vmware player image would be a good way to try it out?
[07:34] <TechVista> nerdygirl_ellie: I ran ubuntu previously just wondered if the installer had changed radically ?
[07:34] <cliebow_> anyone have a package name for java jre for feisty ppc?
[07:35] <FallenHitokiri> TechVista: with this solution problems should start when you try to write grub - Windows should complain if you try to override the boot sector...
[07:36] <TechVista> k i c is there a way round this? as using windows bootloader instead of grub
[07:37] <FallenHitokiri> TechVista: I don't believe that you can start the installation from Windows (but I'm not sure since I don't have Windows) - and believe me - you want grub not the windows bootloader
[07:39] <TechVista> oh right , from what I read it seemed I could run the installer from windows and it would import favourites etc I guess I musta read it wrong
[07:40] <FallenHitokiri> TechVista: if you read this it may be true - as I told you I have no windows since nearly 6 years or so
[07:41] <assasukasse> i have a problem with an mp3 player, is a 512mb usb one, but ubuntu sees only 150mb free space, however in the properties it sees the correct 512...what should i do?
[07:42] <TechVista> I just cannot seem to choose between windows and linux I like em both but its
[07:42] <TechVista> :/
[07:42] <FallenHitokiri> TechVista: then just use both - why not?
[07:43] <TechVista> If only both os could hit the metal at the same time
[07:43] <robert_> is there an smp version of feisty's kernel?
[07:43] <penguin42> assasukasse: When you say it only sees 150mb free space - you mean according to a df ?
[07:43] <FallenHitokiri> TechVista: hm... virtualize everything ;)
[07:43] <TechVista> vMware is excellent except it does not support wireless and tv card
[07:43] <nerdygirl_ellie> robert_:  yes, it is installed by default if you need it.
[07:43] <assasukasse> penguin42: according to nautilus
[07:43] <FallenHitokiri> TechVista: Windows and Linux running at the same time
[07:44] <robert_> nerdygirl_ellie: it wasn't installed for me.
[07:44] <doodad> FallenHitokiri; i think i'm going to install a different release, because i just can't get it to boot up. i'm unsure what i should put in the config file
[07:44] <penguin42> assasukasse: OK, from a command line do a   df -h     and find the line that corresponds to your USB device and tell me what it says in the size, used and avail parts
[07:44] <TechVista> I been looking at colinux wich seems to run linux nativly in windows
[07:44] <assasukasse> penguin42: beside that, when i plug in, rhythmbox starts, and hangs, i have to force close it...
[07:45] <robert_> model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
[07:45] <penguin42> assasukasse: One fuckup at a time
[07:45] <assasukasse> penguin42: /dev/sda              498M  345M  153M  70% /media/disk
[07:45] <penguin42> TechVista: How well have you found that to work?
[07:45] <assasukasse> penguin42: there is nothing on the player, is empty
[07:46] <penguin42> assasukasse: OK, that says its a 500M disc, you are using 345M - leaving 150M free ; OK - so your real problem is finding what that 345m is!
[07:46] <TechVista> network has been a pain so far still not figured it out :(
[07:46] <penguin42> assasukasse: OK, ls /media/disk and tell me what is there
[07:46] <jenda> o.O
[07:46] <assasukasse> penguin42: there were 350mb mp3 files, but i deleted them via nautilus
[07:46] <penguin42> assasukasse: Ah - empty your trash folder
[07:46] <assasukasse> penguin42: nothing, there nothing, and my trash is empty
[07:47] <penguin42> assasukasse: hmm ok, do an ls -a /media/disk
[07:47] <FallenHitokiri> TechVista: should be no problem with vmware thanks to nat / bridging
[07:47] <assasukasse> penguin42: thanks, there is a trash folder there
[07:47] <penguin42> assasukasse: I suspect it has your deleted files in
[07:48] <assasukasse> penguin42: how do i remove it
[07:48] <Lin> hi all
[07:49] <Lin> is there  nvida driver 96xx legacy anywhere? (using feisty)
[07:49] <assasukasse> penguin42: inside there is this @  &*  ?@  ??  ?  ?  Ad  ?AR@LYl?  ?H@.@?C  @L.?J0
[07:49] <penguin42> assasukasse: cd into it, then do an ls, and then use 'rm' to delete each file
[07:49] <penguin42> assasukasse: Pretty
[07:49] <assasukasse> penguin42: read only fs, i can't delete...
[07:49] <penguin42> assasukasse: OK, do the following but be really careful to type it correctly   rm -r  /media/disk/.Trash  (I assume the trash folder is called .Trash)
[07:49] <assasukasse> should i sudo delete?
[07:50] <assasukasse> i dunno really..
[07:50] <assasukasse> penguin42: doesn't let me delete, says Ro
[07:50] <penguin42> assasukasse: if you can't delete it then I'd probably cd out of it, tell Nortilus to eject it, and then reformat it
[07:51] <penguin42> assasukasse: Make sure you always tell Nautillus to eject before removing the device
[07:51] <assasukasse> penguin42: how can i reformate it?
[07:51] <FallenHitokiri> robert_: ??
[07:51] <penguin42> erm I don't know that off hand - does anyone know Nautilus and USB drives?
[07:52] <robert_> FallenHitokiri: Per chance, do you have a sister named Kristy?
[07:52] <assasukasse> thanks penguin42
[07:52] <assasukasse> penguin42: nautilus tells me if i wanna empty trash, i said yes, but is taking long, just says preparing to delete files
[07:53] <assasukasse> i'll let it work for a while and see if it works
[07:53] <FallenHitokiri> robert_: I'm think I can be sure that I have no sisters or brothers ;)
[07:53] <robert_> heh, okay then
[07:53] <robert_> because I used to go to the same school as a Kristy Zimmerman
[07:53] <penguin42> assasukasse: Let it work - deleting 350M on a flash disc takes a while - but I'm just wondering if it got corrupted a bit hence needing to reformat
[07:53] <robert_> I don't much imagine that last name is very common
[07:54] <FallenHitokiri> robert_: you write me with 2 n and I'm from Germany ;)
[07:54] <robert_> hm
[07:54] <robert_> I'll have to check my yearbook
[07:54] <robert_> because it may be two n's
[07:54] <FallenHitokiri> robert_: and in Germany you find it really often, Zimmerman is from streich or Schweiz (please don't ask me what these to are in english)
[07:55] <robert_> heh
[07:55] <robert_> it's just a last name to me
[07:55] <robert_> but I was just curious
[07:57] <elvirolo> hi again
[07:57] <elvirolo> my usb drive isn't mounted automatically
[07:57] <elvirolo> is there a way to make it work ?
[07:57] <elvirolo> I can mount it manually though
[08:07] <ubob2k> In 6.10 my wireless worked fine. After 7.04 upgrade I don't auto-connect any more, so I do ifdown -a , ifup eth1 after reboots. Network settings hangs. What to do?
[08:08] <elvirolo> /jopin #ubuntu
[08:08] <CarinArr> ubob2k: same problem as me, apparently it's not an uncommon one so hopefully will be changed soon
[08:08] <CarinArr> or.. fixed should i say
[08:09] <FallenHitokiri> ubob2k: delete your devices in /etc/network/interfaces and let networkmanager handle them
[08:10] <ubob2k> FH, So don't worry about the hanging, and it should work out?
[08:11] <FallenHitokiri> ubob2k: hangig?
[08:11] <ubob2k> System, Admin, Network just hangs (partial display, never shows info)
[08:13] <ubob2k> CarinArr, Did you find a bug report?
[08:13] <FallenHitokiri> ubob2k: that's not normal
[08:13] <ubob2k> FH, That's why I'm here. :-)
[08:14] <Lin> there is anywhere a package for nvidia driver  1.0-9631?
[08:17] <umbyboy> hi guys+
[08:17] <umbyboy> anyone could help me?
[08:18] <umbyboy> ?!?
[08:18] <FallenHitokiri> umbyboy: if you ask a question we'll see
[08:18] <umbyboy> gr8
[08:18] <umbyboy> I just installed feisty fawn beta
[08:19] <umbyboy> but using the theme HUMAN in Application I can't c the icon for Graphic
[08:19] <umbyboy> I tried to reinstall gnome-themes
[08:19] <umbyboy> but no results
[08:20] <penguin42> umbyboy: Have you got KDE installed?
[08:20] <nandasunu> I thinking of installing fiesty today, will I need to upgrade once the final release is out or will it automatically upgrade via the normal security updates?
[08:21] <FallenHitokiri> nandasunu: should automaitcally upgrade
[08:22] <robert_> brb heh
[08:22] <nandasunu> ok
[08:22] <nandasunu> thanks
[08:22] <nandasunu> there will be no more new features added now right?
[08:22] <nandasunu> just bug fixes?
[08:23] <teb> my networking has been disconnecting pretty frequently on my box, first I thought it was the broadcom driver, butit works perfectly with wep, my second thought is that there are repeaters everywhere here, so my iwlist scan shows up the same ap on the same channel multiple times...maybe my network card gets confused and jumps from one to the other?
[08:23] <teb> is that a valid idea?  i want to thought-check it before i bug report it
[08:26] <penguin42> anyone understand the kernel pnp stuff?
[08:27] <penguin42> I was trying to do some direct access parallel port stuff, it wasn't happy so I unloaded lp, ppdev, parport_pc and parport - and then I get a kernel message 'pnp: Device 00:09 disabled' - but putting them all back in it doesn't stay activated, it activates, then disables it
[08:30] <moonwatcher> hi i am trying to understand which driver i use for my ATI 9600 on my T42 with Ubunutu fiesty
[08:30] <moonwatcher> i want to set up TV output and the second screen
[08:30] <moonwatcher> if possible
[08:31] <teb> sorry, got confused in my client, did anyone respond?
[08:31] <moonwatcher> second screen seemed to work, but when i had it hooked up to a projector i got weird results... the screen was split about 60%/40% when the buttom 40% was a repeat of the begining of the top
[08:31] <moonwatcher> or somethign like that
[08:33] <DanaG> Hmm, Feisty has iwlwifi, but it doesn't seem to work.
[08:33] <DanaG> Even on a completely unencrypted AP.
[08:37] <kupesoft> How come the macbook's x1600 video card doesn't with the feisty live boot?
[08:37] <agresor> hello, i dont see users on right side on xchat ? how to fix that ? anyone ?
[08:38] <moonwatcher> my "restricted driver manager" says that the ATI driver is not in use?
[08:39] <moonwatcher> please some help, i am not even sure what i use
[08:39] <moonwatcher> this is the default install on Fiesty
[08:39] <moonwatcher> beryl works fine
[08:40] <j3g> anyone know a way to install java 1.6 plugin for firefox on feisty ?
[08:48] <j3g> :(
[08:48] <j3g> everyone asleep :(
[08:51] <gourdin> is there a iso of feisty beta which is up to date ?
[08:52] <Adri2000> there are ISOs of feisty beta, yes
[08:52] <gourdin> how old ?
[08:53] <Pici> A few weeks, maybe.
[08:54] <Adri2000> they have been released two weeks ago, that's old
[08:54] <Adri2000> the ISOs won't be updated
[08:54] <gourdin> ok
[08:54] <Adri2000> err, s/old/all/
[08:54] <gourdin> ok Adri2000
[08:54] <gourdin> thx
[09:00] <dnl> Is there a script to update the filesystem.manifest file on the live cd?  (And is this necessary?)
[09:01] <dnl> (I have chrooted the squashfs and I'm simply using apt-get to install extra packages, so as to not need an internet connection when installing.
[09:02] <ep2011> Supposily the RT61 wireless card works out of the box with feisty, can anyone confirm that? in edgy it was a pain to configure
[09:07] <j3g> anyone know a way to install java 1.6 plugin for firefox on feisty ?
[09:09] <CarlF1> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/python/python-wxversion  "This package provides the wxPython version selector." -   huh?
[09:10] <CarlF1> sudo apt-get install python-wxversion = "The following packages have unmet dependencies:  python-wxversion: Depends: python (< 2.5) but 2.5-0ubuntu6 is to be installed "
[09:10] <dnl> ls /usr/bin/g++
[09:10] <dnl> ls /usr/bin/g++*
[09:10] <dnl> (er.. sorry, getting my terminal windows mixed up)
[09:11] <CarlF1> ls: /usr/bin/g++*: No such file or directory
[09:11] <CarlF1> there you go :)
[09:11] <somian> ... but it sounds like it is a utility to support selecting which wxPython to use.
[09:12] <CarlF1> " This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default Python version (currently v2.5)." but this is instlled: "Python 2.5 (release25-maint, Mar 15 2007, 10:53:31) " - guessing it is a bug
[09:12] <CarlF1> but don't want to report something I am this clueless abut
[09:12] <somian> It sounds like a (packaging) bug to me.
[09:14] <CarlF1> "2.5-0ubuntu6 is >>to be<< installed" - why "to be" and not "is" ?
[09:15] <CarlF1> wondering if my apt-get db is borked
[09:17] <DanaG> What package should I install to be able to use man for C commands?
[09:17] <DanaG> Such as 'man scanf'
[09:20] <Pici> DanaG: I think that kind of stuff is in manpages-dev
[09:22] <kupesoft> How do I use the iwlwifi module included with feisty?
[09:22] <DanaG> Cool, thanks.
[09:22] <DanaG> iwlwifi doesn't seem to work for me -- even with an open AP.
[09:22] <kupesoft> DanaG: Yeah,
[09:22] <kupesoft> DanaG: I have the same problem,
[09:22] <kupesoft> DanaG: The driver will accept parameters but it's won't associate
[09:23] <kupesoft> brb, testing one more time
[09:24] <K`zan> Updates have failed two days running here, is there some place this gets logged?  The updater dialog is uncopyable :-(.
[09:24] <kupesoft> DanaG: Got it working (connecting right now using it)
[09:25] <kupesoft> I had explicitly chose an AP to associate with,
[09:25] <DanaG> How do you do that?
[09:25] <kupesoft> (it's 5 lines...)
[09:25] <kupesoft> I'll pastebin it
[09:25] <DanaG> I like to use networkmanager, if at all possible.
[09:25] <DanaG> Otherwise, I'll just use ipw3945.
[09:25] <kupesoft> Might not be,
[09:26] <kupesoft> iwlwifi promises to be much better than ipw3945 (no userspace deamon), but it's very much in alpha testing
[09:27] <kupesoft> DanaG: http://www.pastebin.ca/424395
[09:27] <kupesoft> Where x = channel, essid, wep key, mac address
[09:28] <DanaG> I think I'll stick with ipw3945 for now, anyway.
[09:28] <kupesoft> DanaG: If you want to use NetworkManager, stick to ipw3945,
[09:29] <kupesoft> (;
[09:29] <DanaG> Oh, one funny thing:
[09:29] <DanaG> Suspend works better in Feisty than it does in Windows XP.
[09:29] <kupesoft> Wha?
[09:29] <kupesoft> (;
[09:29] <kupesoft> I wouldn't know ;/
[09:29] <DanaG> If I suspend in XP, the laptop will some time later wake up and hang at a black screen -- often while it's still in my bag.
[09:36] <micahcowan> Is it possible to set certain users (my kids) up with a passwordless mode?
[09:42] <garklein_13> micahcowan: why not just give them a simple password?
[09:42] <kanpachi> hello, i just d/led the 4th of april build, but i can't burn it on a cd, it says it's too big to fit... how come?
[09:42] <aaroncampbell> I am using Samba Version: 3.0.24-2ubuntu1  and here is my smb.conf: http://paste-bin.com/11338  ...I can see the computer by browsing the campbell workgroup from a windows computer, but when I double click on it, I get "\\Aaron-linux is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource. ... The account is not authorized to log in from this station."
[09:43] <aaroncampbell> However, I don't have a "hosts allow" option set at all
[09:43] <aaroncampbell> What I ultimately want to do is share one directory that only I can access (either password protected, or limited to a specific list of IPs), and a directory that anyone can browse.
[09:43] <aaroncampbell> Anyone know what might be wrong?
[09:44] <micahcowan> garklein_13, I don't want them to have to type (very young). I want them to be able to simply click on their name, as can be configured (I believe) in both OS X and Windows.
[09:44] <DanaG> I believe KDE can be set up to not ask for a password.
[09:45] <DanaG> System Administration -- Login Manager
[09:45] <DanaG> in kcontrol.
[09:45] <kanpachi> why doesn't the 4th of april build fit on a cd when i try to burn it?
[09:45] <kanpachi> the md5sum is fine
[09:46] <garklein_13> micahcowan: I used it as an opportunity to teach them how to do simple one-finger typing, making the password the same as their username so they had something to copy.... but mine are probably a little older than yours were I'm guessing  =)
[09:46] <micahcowan> DanaG, thanks; I'll check that out if I can't figure it out in gnome.
[09:46] <DanaG> er, you're using gnome?
[09:46] <DanaG> YOu many have to manually open gdmsetup
[09:46] <DanaG> with gksudo
[09:47] <DanaG> I don't know if the shortcut in the menu is enabled by default.
[09:47] <micahcowan> garklein_13, possibly... at any rate, it's too easy to accidentally type an extra key or leave the capslock for me to want to hassle them with that just yet... the older one could certainly do it; the younger probably could to, but the point is, they shouldn't /have/ to... :)
[09:47] <garklein_13> micahcowan: true
[09:48] <micahcowan> DanaG, I've checked there, but can't find it. BTW, gdmsetup is also available via System -> Administrator -> Login Window
[09:48] <phatmonkey> what's the best way of virtualising windows. vmware? where's the best documentation/tutorial? ubuntu wiki?
[09:49] <micahcowan> I also want to set up a guest account, which I would prefer not to have to give passwords for when guests are here.
[09:50] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=110604
[09:50] <robert_> how do I install the SMP kernel for Feisty?
[09:50] <subliminal727> Hi i'm having trouble with my video card.  im having a hard time finding any info on it.  i have an intel 950 GMA  on the mobile intel 945gm chipset, i only have two resolution options -1280x800 and 1024x768,  oh yeah...im using Feisty, any ideas?
[09:51] <micahcowan> DanaG, thanks for that. Do you think gdm will still prompt for the (ignored) password in that case?
[09:52] <frojnd> hello there
[09:52] <frojnd> why is my sudo apt-get update so slow
[09:52] <frojnd> with edgy updating the source list was much more faster..
[09:54] <micahcowan> frojnd, it may just be that the servers are slower at this moment? That frequently occurs.
[09:55] <subliminal727> i think i may jsut need to install drivers..does anyone know how to install drivers for intel integrated video cards? its a toshiba laptop 945gm chipset
[09:55] <frojnd> micahcowan: that's all the time, anytime that I update
[09:58] <somian> subliminal727: That's the I810 driver, and it ought to installed automatically.
[09:59] <subliminal727> so if i can only use two resolutions...what do you think the problem is?
[09:59] <somian> subliminal727: That's a laptop you have, no?
[09:59] <subliminal727> yeah
[10:00] <somian> There isn't a problem.
[10:00] <subliminal727> oh
[10:00] <subliminal727> so im an idiot then...hmmm
[10:00] <subliminal727> haha
[10:00] <somian> Laptop screens have *1* optimal resolution.
[10:00] <subliminal727> i see
[10:01] <somian> You might find careful reading of your xorg.0.log file interesting, although yes, those logs are a verbose nightmare, subliminal727
[10:01] <subliminal727> haha
[10:01] <subliminal727> this is kind of a weird setup i have here anyways, i have a dual boot between vista and feisty
[10:02] <somian> I have an Intel I810 video chip that I've been learning about for 3 weeks.
[10:02] <somian> I've got Xinerama working on an external CRT etc.
[10:02] <subliminal727> the res on ubuntu just seemed to look wrong to me so i started poking around and i saw in the hardware info it was saying devicetype: unknown and capabilities: unknown so i thought something was wrong
[10:02] <somian> Got to go, bbialw.
[10:03] <subliminal727> later
[10:03] <Arko> what does bbialw means?
[10:03] <somian> Uh -- that does not sound right. It might not be getting your LCD display right -- look into it further
[10:03] <subliminal727> ok
[10:03] <subliminal727> i'll keep digging
[10:04] <somian> If detection via the standard means of the driver "talking to" (querying) the monitor is working right, you should be able to tell from the xorg log
[10:04] <subliminal727> ok
[10:04] <somian> \It's unmistakable. It will even tell you what comapny really manufactured your screen and what wee and year it was built.
[10:05] <subliminal727> nice
[10:05] <somian> sorry, really have to run now
[10:05] <subliminal727> ok thanks a lot
[10:05] <Arko> Be Back in A Little While
[10:08] <micahcowan> beryl went all-black after I tested by switching users, had to restart. But it works; doesn't even prompt for the password.
[10:15] <micahcowan> Oh, and the box stopped paying attention to my keystrokes, which was the real reason I had to restart :|
[10:17] <enyc> I can't seem to get ubuntu-feisty compiz to work on this machine...
[10:19] <enyc> it starts compiz (in ps) ... but the X-server etc. is somehow jammed...can switch to Alt-F7 ... and get black screeen with cursor (showing rotating 'eggtimer-eqivalent' cursor)
[10:19] <enyc> its somehow "jammed"
[10:23] <enyc> after a long-long delay I get "desktop effects coul not be enabled" error ...
[10:23] <Arko> ency: I have just solved this Black Screen of Death after switching from VT to X
[10:23] <enyc> Arko: how...?
[10:23] <Arko> enyc I mean
[10:23] <Arko> I have added some stuff in modprobe.d/options
[10:24] <Arko> lemme find it
[10:24] <enyc> hrrrm.. what optiosn?
[10:24] <Arko> options nvidia NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=33 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=0660 NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_Mobile=1
[10:26] <Arko> worked?
[10:27] <enyc> Arko: ok... trying...
[10:27] <enyc> Arko: Ive just reconfigured xorg and re-enabled nvidia-glx-config...
[10:28] <enyc> Arko: notably I set 24bit colour and now the behaviour is different... but still not working
[10:28] <Arko> :(
[10:30] <aaroncampbell> I am using Samba Version: 3.0.24-2ubuntu1  and here is my smb.conf: http://paste-bin.com/11338  ...I can see the computer by browsing the campbell workgroup from a windows computer, but when I double click on it, I get "\\Aaron-linux is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource. ... The account is not authorized to log in from this station."
[10:30] <aaroncampbell> However, I don't have a "hosts allow" option set at all
[10:30] <aaroncampbell> What I ultimately want to do is share one directory that only I can access (either password protected, or limited to a specific list of IPs), and a directory that anyone can browse.
[10:30] <aaroncampbell> Anyone know what might be wrong?
[10:38] <enyc> Arko: Arko right... have enabled nvidia restricted driver (listed as for legacy cards) through feisty menus...
[10:38] <Arko> so
[10:38] <enyc> Arko: and have rebooted and logged in...
[10:38] <lm_> hey there can anybody give me a helping hand.... ive just formatted an old windows disk via gparted in gnome... how am i going to "mount" so that i can use it like another home dir?
[10:38] <Arko> is it working?
[10:39] <enyc> Arko: and it HAS loaded the "nvidia" module and the topions youu speciffied on  nvida thogh /etc/modprobe.d/options are there.. and system works but  desktop effects do not
[10:39] <Arko> enable desktop effects again
[10:39] <enyc> Arko: (jams again when starting effects)
[10:39] <peter77> how do I completly remove the KDe desktop
[10:40] <enyc> Arko: well itsg ets into this jammed-state
[10:40] <Arko> :(
[10:41] <Arko> bbialw
[10:43] <peter77> so is there a way to remove the KDE desktop completly as it seems to have screwed up! :-(
[10:43] <enyc> peter77: well.. you muight want to pull out the kde libraries?
[10:43] <enyc> peter77: then other things that depedn on them will be removed/
[10:44] <peter77> k, I'll try that
[10:49] <linxeh> peter77: try creating a new user and logging in as them
[10:50] <linxeh> peter77: it might be that your kde configuration got broken, not KDE as a whole
[10:51] <frojnd> I don't know if tthat's normal but when I am transfering either from USB stick to system or froom system from USB stick system works much more slowerr and mouse don't get smood... any ideas
[10:59] <N6REJ> hi folks, I got an update notification from the updater today and after it started installing its throwing an error  with "/etc/udev/rules.d/25-dmsetup.rules"  It wants me to tell it if it should keep my current config or what
[11:00] <N6REJ> this started happening with the kernel
[11:00] <N6REJ> what should I tell it?
[11:03] <soothsay> After an update yesterday my Feisty install won't boot. It gets stuck at 'Generating LVM groups'
[11:20] <oxygenws> hi all, upgrade from edgy to feisty, my hda hard disk changes to sda, why and how?!
[11:20] <mweichert> does anyone know how to specify a WPA-Personal passphrase when using the debian-installer to configure your wireless card?
[11:24] <DigitalNinja> Where can I find the "codec wizards"?
[11:25] <julian1223> ah, this is where I'm supposed to ask
[11:25] <julian1223> I'm trying to get edgy installed on my 2Ghz MacBook Pro and I keep getting throw to a Failed to start x server thingy, any ideas?
[11:25] <julian1223> sorry, Feisty*
[11:26] <DigitalNinja> Are you using the desktop CD
[11:26] <julian1223> yes
[11:26] <[doctor] > hi, can anybody say me last kernel version in Ubuntu-7.04?
[11:26] <julian1223> errrr, I'm a huge noob but since it's on my error screen, 2.6.20-12?
[11:26] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : Did the CD boot or did you get the error while the CD is booting?
[11:27] <mon^rch> don't suppose anyone know progress of getting vmware to work under feisty?
[11:27] <julian1223> it booted, thew me to the options screen with start/install etc
[11:27] <oxygenws> [doctor] : 2.6.20-13
[11:27] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : Okay. When it does that hit enter or let it continue. Did you do that?
[11:27] <[doctor] > not 2.6.20-14?
[11:27] <julian1223> yes
[11:27] <elvirolo> hi
[11:28] <mon^rch> !vmware
[11:28] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[11:28] <oxygenws> [doctor] : my last is 13 :D
[11:28] <julian1223> it showed a pretty ubuntu logo and a shiny indeterminate progress indicator then died after a while
[11:28] <[doctor] > hm.... thanks
[11:28] <DigitalNinja> KERNEL 2.6.20-13 here
[11:28] <elvirolo> when i plug my usb drive in, it seems to be detected (all the right stuff appears in dmesg) but it is not mounted automatically
[11:28] <oxygenws> i was upgraded from edgy to feisty then my hda hard disk changes to sda, why and how?!
[11:28] <julian1223> showed a couple of Loading... screens and then I got this
[11:29] <finalbeta> !libata
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:29] <julian1223> apparently screen(s) were found, but none have a usable config, and no matching vesa modes
[11:29] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : Did you say this was a mac book ?
[11:29] <julian1223> pro, yes
[11:30] <effie_jayx> anyone with a bcm4318 wilresscard here ?
[11:30] <effie_jayx> s/wilresscard/wireless
[11:30] <julian1223> I entered the lpj=8000000 thingy after boot, though that was to prevent an unlikely kernel panic, and I assume if I'd had that, I wouldn't be able to scroll down the error window
[11:30] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html look for your laptop
[11:31] <julian1223> (I'm on another computer)
[11:31] <soothsay> I mentioned my problem a while ago but I had to disconnect and reboot. Am going to restate it: After some upgrades yesterday (including lvm-common) I can no longer boot. The boot process freezes at 'Setting up LVM volume groups'
[11:31] <chewychomp> i switched from 5700 to a 5200, uninstalled nvidia-glx and restricted kernels, booted with nv, reinstalled glx and restricted kernels, checked xorg.conf rebooted, and it freezes after 3 seconds into x
[11:31] <soothsay> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2402996#post2402996
[11:31] <julian1223> unfortunately all of that refers to not using boot camp
[11:31] <soothsay> At least one another person is experiencing the problem, according to that thread ^
[11:32] <julian1223> but I did boot via boot camp
[11:33] <julian1223> I also tried the safe display mode and had the same issue
[11:33] <DigitalNinja> julian1223 : did you check out the link - http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html
[11:33] <DigitalNinja> they have pictures
[11:34] <julian1223> yes, I went to http://modular.math.washington.edu/macbook/
[11:34] <DigitalNinja> Did it have info you could use?
[11:34] <julian1223> no
[11:35] <DigitalNinja> They dual boot OS X and Ubuntu
[11:35] <Infecto>   any body know why opera start to Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:35] <Infecto>  ?
[11:35] <DigitalNinja> has anyone tried the "codec wizards" for Feisty?
[11:35] <frozenhan1> Price, right here?
[11:36] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: work great
[11:36] <julian1223> yes, but it isn't any use
[11:36] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch : Where did you get them from?
[11:36] <julian1223> it's not working which is why I'm here
[11:37] <frozenhan1> Is here anyone germanspeaking?
[11:37] <mon^rch> just double click on a file that need a codec. and a little app starts up :)
[11:37] <soothsay> Just for anyone's info this seems to be the bug biting me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm-common/+bug/102756
[11:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 102756 in lvm-common "vgscan in init.d/lvm doesn't exit" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[11:37] <soothsay> Claims to be fixed in an update today
[11:37] <chewychomp> help-i switched from 5700 to a 5200, uninstalled nvidia-glx and restricted kernels, reconfigured xserver, rebooted and it freezes after gdm starts
[11:37] <oxygenws> i was upgraded from edgy to feisty then my hda hard disk changes to sda, why and how?!
[11:38] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch : What about mozilla-mplayer ( I think that's right )
[11:38] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: you will prolly have to do some stuff by hand...
[11:38] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch : I see
[11:38] <DigitalNinja> I'll give it a try
[11:38] <Wormboy> Is anyone German there?
[11:39] <darx> whats the command to run the default bittorrent client?
[11:39] <finalbeta> !gr
[11:39] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[11:39] <frojnd> I have question about how to set my domain to MSHOME, using samba shares.,.
[11:39] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: try vlc....
[11:39] <Wormboy> Can anyone help me with the formating of the hardrivedisks?
[11:40] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch: I don't think it does w32 codecs or mp3's
[11:40] <finalbeta> !de | Wormboy
[11:40] <ubotu> Wormboy: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:40] <darx> frohnd: the samba config file
[11:40] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: it did for me...
[11:40] <Wormboy> thanks
[11:40] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch : I thought they didn't work with those codecs
[11:41] <DigitalNinja> I'll take a look at it
[11:41] <julian1223> so no ideas as to how I can fix this besides a page which doesn't actually apply to me?
[11:41] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja:  "they"?
[11:41] <DigitalNinja> vlc
[11:41] <Infecto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/102851
[11:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 102851 in libx11 "Opera failed after update - date 04/04/07" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:41] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: well, I gots no problems :)
[11:41] <Infecto> how to downgrade ? to libx11
[11:42] <DigitalNinja> mon^rch: I'll give it a try this week
[11:42] <chewychomp> help-i switched from 5700 to a 5200, i uninstalled nvidia-glx and restricted kernels, reconfigured xserver, reinstalled nvidia-glx and restr kernel, and it freezes after gdm starts
[11:43] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: just dropped a folder full of mp3's on vlc and voila
[11:43] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: got some cool skins too!
[11:44] <Infecto> any body know how to dobgrade libx11
[11:44] <Infecto> ?
[11:44] <mon^rch> DigitalNinja: and I have NEVER had to install w32codecs
[11:44] <julian1223> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/95411
[11:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 95411 in Ubuntu "ubuntu feisty beta, no screens found on macbook pro" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[11:45] <julian1223> does Mike mean that a later build works?
[11:45] <julian1223> if so, where do I go for a later build?
[11:48] <Dabian> fiercesty seems to contain somewhat broken USB-support or something; I have trouble syncing my palm.
[11:49] <aaroncampbell> I am using Samba Version: 3.0.24-2ubuntu1  and here is my smb.conf: http://paste-bin.com/11338  ...I can see the computer by browsing the campbell workgroup from a windows computer, but when I double click on it, I get "\\Aaron-linux is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource. ... The account is not authorized to log in from this station."
[11:49] <aaroncampbell> However, I don't have a "hosts allow" option set at all
[11:49] <aaroncampbell> What I ultimately want to do is share one directory that only I can access (either password protected, or limited to a specific list of IPs), and a directory that anyone can browse.
[11:49] <aaroncampbell> Anyone know what might be wrong?
[11:49] <jrib> julian1223: I can't find the word "later" on the page.  Can you be more specific?
[11:50] <julian1223> Same here. Work Herd 3-5 for me.
[11:50] <Dabian> aaroncampbell: I browsed your post more than once, but I can't relate it to USB or palm problems.
[11:50] <jrib> julian1223: herd 3-5 came before beta
[11:50] <julian1223> ah
[11:51] <mon^rch> ffffft I guess I am NOT supposed to get vmware with feisty... boo-hoo nothing works
[11:51] <julian1223> being a newbie is annoying, any suggestions on useful stuff I could add to that bug posting?
[11:51] <julian1223> !vmware ?
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vmware ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <julian1223> !vmware
[11:51] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[11:51] <aaroncampbell> Dabian: me?
[11:51] <Dabian> Nah .. the other aaroncampbell .
[11:51] <mon^rch> julian1223: tx, but I been at it about 2 hours now....
[11:52] <ikonia> julian1223: if you a newbie you may benifit from not using beta softrware
[11:52] <julian1223> fair enough, I saw someone else ask a similar question, was greeted by the same answer, and seemed to be happy with it so kinda assumed it was a known issue on there
[11:52] <elvirolo> can anyone help me set up my removable drive ?
[11:53] <rnd_null> hey....question....how do I "blacklist"? a module?
[11:53] <rnd_null> elvirolo, whats wrong with it?
[11:53] <elvirolo> rnd_null: it isn't mounted atomatically, although it is detexted by the kernel
[11:53] <julian1223> I'm a linux newbie, not a computer newbie in general is the thing. I also spent 3 hours making boot camp happy enough to install it so I was kinda hoping it'd work (I have Edgy in Parallels).
[11:54] <ikonia> julian1223: if your new to linux - you'd really benifit from not using beta software
[11:54] <oxygenws> i was upgraded from edgy to feisty then my hda hard disk changes to sda, why and how?!
[11:54] <aaroncampbell> Dabian: not sure what you mean about the palm or USB thing
[11:54] <ikonia> oxygenws: kernel change in libata
[11:54] <rnd_null> elvirolo, what kind of rem drive is it?
[11:54] <elvirolo> rnd_null: USB
[11:55] <rnd_null> elvirolo, can you mount it manually?
[11:55] <elvirolo> rnd_null: yes
[11:55] <mon^rch> and now since I got vmware unremovable crap scattered all across my system, I think it warrants a reinstall....
[11:55] <elvirolo> rnd_null: but i have permission problems
[11:55] <julian1223> never mind then, back to OS for me
[11:55] <rnd_null> how so?
[11:55] <somian> mon^rch: vmware-paley?
[11:55] <julian1223> thanks anyway
[11:55] <somian> palyer
[11:56] <somian> GAWD .. "player"
[11:56] <mon^rch> lol
[11:56] <somian> That one?
[11:56] <oxygenws> ikonia: before booting system (or in single mode) it is HD, but after booting (RC5) it changes to SD (i think something like this happend now!)
[11:56] <elvirolo> rnd_null: i get "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options"
[11:56] <mon^rch> somian: player, server, hearders tools... the whole shabang I get files dont exist yada yada... yep it's borked
[11:56] <somian> mon^rch: don't reinstall your OS, that's just silly.
[11:56] <elvirolo> rnd_null: sorry, "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[11:57] <ikonia> oxygenws: its a kernel change in the libata area
[11:57] <mon^rch> somian: then you'd best provide me with some help?
[11:57] <somian> If it's mostly player, then just sudo rm /etc/init.d/vmware-player and then touch etc/init.d/vmware-player
[11:57] <oxygenws> ikonia: thanks :) but my connection is SATA or IDE??!!
[11:58] <rnd_null> elvirolo, I have an SD card that does the same thing (mount wise), Ubuntu used pmount before to handle it, but it doesn't seem to use pmount now, I'd have to look for a while to figure out how it's handling the mounting in edgy
[11:58] <ikonia> oxygenws: you should know if your disk is sata or ide
[11:58] <ikonia> oxygenws: from what you've said - its an ide disk
[11:58] <rnd_null> elvirolo, after you plug the device in what do you get with $dmesg | tail ?
[11:59] <mon^rch> touch: cannot touch `etc/init.d/vmware-player': No such file or directory
[11:59] <oxygenws> ikonia: yes, it is IDE, but in system information in linux, it shows SATA!! :D
[11:59] <ikonia> oxygenws: are you listening ??? that is because of a kernel change in the libata subsystem
[11:59] <mon^rch> it's fubar
[12:00] <ikonia> mon^rch: the files not there
[12:00] <somian> Try applying a little PCS to the problem.
[12:00] <mon^rch> argh
[12:01] <elvirolo> rnd_null: http://pastebin.ca/424592
[12:01] <ikonia> argh ???
[12:01] <oxygenws> ikonia: sorry... i listened, but i cannot resolve this conflict in my mind!
[12:01] <somian> Programmer Common sense. it's indispensible when asking over busy tehcnical experts for FREE HELP on irc.
[12:01] <ikonia> oxygenws: there is no conflict
[12:01] <ikonia> somian: the error message was in clear english "no such file" - just a total time waster
[12:01] <somian> Riddance, hope the door hit him  HARD on the way out.
[12:02] <ikonia> oxygenws: your hard disk is IDE - whats the conflict ?
[12:02] <somian> Yeah, ikonia.
[12:02] <rnd_null> elvirolo, what does $mount show?
[12:03] <elvirolo> rnd_null: sorry, what do you mean ?
[12:03] <oxygenws> ikonia: why my linux show it as SATA?
[12:03] <rnd_null> elvirolo, when you type "mount" in a terminal, what output do you get?
[12:03] <somian> For good.
[12:03] <ikonia> oxygenws: it shows it as sata "BECAUSE OF A CHANGE IN THE LIBATA SUBSYSTEM OF THE KERNEL"
[12:04] <ikonia> oxygenws: what part of that are you not understanding ?
[12:04] <somian> I warrant there won't be more than 3 genuine clued Ubuntu devs left on here in 3 more days time, if there are even that many now.
[12:04] <elvirolo> rnd_null: http://pastebin.ca/424597
[12:05] <oxygenws> ikonia: ok, libata changed and my hard is IDE, it is normal that shows libata shows an IDE hard as SATA?
[12:06] <ikonia> oxygenws: yes, as (wait for it) there is a change in the libata subsystem to show all disks as "scsi" disks
[12:06] <ikonia> from now on all hard disks are treated as scsi
[12:06] <rnd_null> elvirolo, hmm....not sure...sorry...try google or wiki maybe?
[12:06] <oxygenws> ikonia: aha, thanks, it was solved :X
[12:07] <elvirolo> rnd_null: well i tried, but haven't found anything interesting
[12:07] <elvirolo> rnd_null: i'll just have to wait a few updates
[12:07] <elvirolo> rnd_null: thanks for your help anyway :)
[12:07] <elvirolo> has anyone had problems with cups ?
[12:07] <rnd_null> elvirolo, try connecting it with knoppix.....to see if its the stick or ubuntu
[12:08] <elvirolo> rnd_null: ok
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[12:09] <ikonia> ughhh
[12:10] <ikonia> Zorkmid25: any chance you can stop that
[12:10] <chijin> what's his problem
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[12:12] <Arwen> weird, my install size jumped 50M today and dist-upgrade didn't even ask to install new packages..
[12:14] <penguin42> has anyone tried driving non-printers off their parallel port under feisty? I'm trying to run an FPGA programmer that's working on an old debian on another machine and don't know if the problem is this machine or the feisty kernel; the machine will print to a parport printer
[12:14] <somian> Arwen: you should never have given the gem of the Eldar to that Aragorn dude. That's what happens when you choose foolishly ;-)
[12:14] <Arwen> that's completely off topic..
[12:14] <anon32> this help?
[12:22] <ghostdog> I have an issue with nvidia legacy on feisty
[12:22] <ghostdog> the server libs does not match the client libs
[12:22] <ghostdog> I ran glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)"
[12:23] <ghostdog> and get glx server vendor as NVIDIA and glx client vendor as SGI
[12:23] <blackest> hi got a problem with ssh my password is not recognised however with xnest it is
[12:24] <penguin42> blackest: How do you mean it is recognised with xnest? with -query ?
[12:24] <blackest> could it be anything to do with changing shell from dash to bash earlier today
[12:24] <blackest> well i can logon remotely with the same user - password