[12:12] with black magic :) [12:15] geser: I'm sure you are a magician [12:16] :) [12:18] the packaging guide just says apply manually the ubuntu changes to the new debian package :-/ [12:19] so, behind MoM, there is either black magic, or someone who is paid by canonical to apply the ubuntu diffs to the new debian packages [12:19] or just boring old diffs that you apply [12:21] MoM is magic [12:22] Though it's also possible that it's got confused somehow [12:22] Keybuk does it all by hand really [12:22] was it just suffering from full hd's? [12:23] no disk space in other words [12:24] so is the switch to gcc 4.2 in feisty + 1 a done deal, or is that still up in the air? === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] [12:37] Any bbuild admin here? [12:37] tkamppeter: It's not morning in Australia yet, and it's night in Europe [12:38] Just wait. Nothing's going to miss the freeze because of a buildd issue. === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] hum, the buildfarm looks like broken, due to dmsetup [12:54] fails to install to build the chroot... is that known problem ? [12:54] exact error message is /var/lib/dpkg/info/dmsetup.postinst: line 4: update-initramfs: command not found [12:55] there was talk of such in here earlier [12:56] mooey: okay so that's probably known.... [12:57] I just keep my source packages in case reupload is required once fixed (shouldn't but anyway..) === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] tkamppeter: easy, dude. 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[02:05] zen: -motu [02:05] thanks === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-13.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p85.212.26.139.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p85.212.26.139.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p85.212.26.139.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_ [n=jga@p85.212.26.139.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@dsl-210-15-197-192-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero__ [n=jga@p85.212.26.139.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Maor [n=chatzill@85.64.49.109.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@59.40.37.169] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ghaspias [n=ghaspias@83.144.132.133] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] drat. mvo isnt here. [03:33] too early! [03:34] likely, yes [03:34] the dist-upgrader disables unofficial repos - including unofficial mirrors. [03:35] if the mirror is containing the exact same content as the archive.u.c, then surely we could keep them in as well? === Hobbsee wonders how broken au.a.u.c is today... === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] oh bloody hell. 30b/s is not an acceptable download speed. [03:50] Hobbsee: Well, if you will live in the bandwidth wastelands of .au... [03:50] mjg59: i get faster than that off the archive.ubuntu.com [03:51] and way faster off that unofficial mirror [03:51] deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/ubuntu edgy main restricted universe multiver [03:51] se [03:52] mjg59: even that is extremely poor in australian standards [03:52] unless you're on dialup [03:53] I regularly saturate my bandwidth from Pacific and Optus, Hobbsee... [03:54] Fujitsu: huh? [03:55] Fujitsu: ahhh. i knew it would be broken. the au.archive... *is* the optus mirror [03:55] Hobbsee: I thought you would have known that... [03:57] i didnt - i'd not researched it, beyond knowing it was broken, and finding another mirror === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] ahhh, there we go. downloading at 550 kb/s [04:06] much better. === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-51.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-51.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.212.225.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === styx|- [n=kvirc@p57a4b549.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === styx|3 [n=kvirc@p57a4b549.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] fabbione: please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+bug/102715 when you get back [05:37] Malone bug 102715 in ubuntu-bots "ubuntulog is not in #ubuntu+1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-42.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:55] morning [05:56] Hobbsee: ok thanks [05:57] fabbione: :) === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Beta released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Mithrandir at Sat Mar 24 15:12:38 2007 === dogmatism [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:06] nixternal: blurg, ktorrent 2.1.3 was released with a crashfix to the 2.1 series :( [06:06] I seen that [06:07] have you created a package yet? [06:07] you can flip it up to revu and see about getting it in, but it isn't looking so good truthfully === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] Hobbsee: all done [06:16] Hobbsee: logs should appear within the next hour [06:17] fabbione: great, thanks! [06:17] np [06:17] nixternal: nah I don't think I'll try until feisty+1 [06:17] then -> backports [06:18] it seems like they find new tiny bugs every other day that looks worthwhile for cherrypicking. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.140.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === statik [n=emurphy@unaffiliated/statik] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7799B.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] good morning [07:25] hi Daniel [07:25] hey Tollef [07:26] daniel? [07:26] wow never knew people here had real names [07:26] ;) [07:26] heh [07:27] Mithrandir: quick question [07:27] re: RC [07:27] is there going to be a 'release' === giskard_ [n=giskard@81-208-74-186.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] yes, it's going to be mailed to either u-d-a or u-a and we're going to freeze and all [07:28] oh do you want us to do a walkthrough of features kinda thing? [07:28] I mean it would be kinda pointless [07:28] but then again a release candidate walkthrough would get lots more testing [07:28] dmsetup seems to need to depend on initramfs-tools [07:28] or something [07:29] poningru: do you think marketing-wise or testing-wise? [07:29] hey dholbach, Mithrandir [07:29] Hobbsee! === Hobbsee hugs Mithrandir :) [07:29] hey Hobbsee === Mithrandir bounces. === giskard__ [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] hey dholbach! [07:30] Mithrandir: why are you bouncing today? === Hobbsee puts some lead in Mithrandir's shoes [07:30] I'm barefooted so far. :-P [07:30] we're getting close to release! I can soon sleep again! [07:31] Mithrandir: do you think that dmsetup should depend on initramfs-tools? [07:31] Mithrandir: well both really... with regards to marketing it would be kinda lame to put out a 'release notes walkthrough style' for a release candidate since it would be essentially a copy of the final release notes, but on the other hand from the testing pov it would be good since puting out a release notes would boost testing especially for a release candidate [07:31] Mithrandir: the build failures of regexxer and bughelper seem to suggest that [07:32] Mithrandir: thoughts? [07:33] dholbach: that's fixed, but the buildds are slightly busted ATM; Adam's working on fixing it. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:33] poningru: just use the same one for RC and release? The feature set should be very much the same. [07:33] right [07:33] thats what I am saying [07:33] Mithrandir: ok - thanks a lot [07:34] it would be pretty lame to put out two release notes [07:34] I'd be fine with that, at least. [07:34] that are exactly the same [07:34] yeah, wouldn't make much sense. [07:34] right [07:34] just think of it as having a release candidate for the notes too? [07:34] uh... clarify? === PuMpErNiCkLe is now known as Pumpernickel [07:34] didnt make sense to me === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's toes then [07:35] Mithrandir: yay! then there's feisty+1 :P [07:35] Hobbsee: hehe [07:35] Hobbsee: I'm already sitting with my feet underneath me, so that would entail jumping into my lap. :-P [07:35] I wanna know what the name of that will be [07:35] Mithrandir: hrm.... [07:35] !! === poningru walks backwards slowly === Hobbsee pours icecubes down your back, instead [07:36] poningru: release notes can have bugs too, so just do "we think those are final" and leave the week for any bugfixing. [07:40] Hobbsee: you're so kind.. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] ajmitch: indeed [07:43] !lart @28 ajmitch [07:43] BUUUH???? [07:43] poningru: sorry? === Hobbsee attacks poningru with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! === Igorot [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:44] eek [07:44] ajmitch: testing out ubotu but guess they changed the commands on me [07:47] poningru: It's @lart, and doesn't work in most channels. [07:47] ajmitch: done [07:48] Fujitsu: ah that I did not know === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:48] dholbach: yay, thanks :) === ajmitch doesn't want to lose people === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@89.137.122.178] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] can someone take a look at what's wrong with https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/316111 and force a rebuild if possible? thanks [08:10] janimo: the chroots are broken atm, we're working on it. [08:14] Mithrandir: ah, ok === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] ds: I found the upstream commit for the radeon UYVY-bug === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] Good morning [08:32] heya pitti === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] silly q, is any1 having problems using debootstrap :/ [08:50] viviersf: yes, stuff's broken, we're working on it [08:50] okies :) thx just wondering === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-202.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] pitti: hi, is the box you got the gnome-mount crash an x86? [09:03] janimo: no, amd64 [09:03] janimo: this was a really weird one [09:04] janimo: getenv("SUDO_UID") returns an invalid pointer [09:04] janimo: I have no idea why, just that it doesn't happen with the previous version [09:04] janimo: I didn't manage to debug it so far (I'm pretty ill, sorry) [09:05] pitti: np, I hope you get well soon [09:05] weird bug indeed. [09:06] janimo: do you get it, too? [09:06] pitti: no, I am on x86 [09:07] but I'll look at the code and see what it could be. gnome-_program_init is changed to gtk_init that may affect it [09:07] janimo: ah, maybe that mangles the environment somehow === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-21-209.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] pitti: although the crash happens at the start of main() way before gtk_init is called. [09:12] so it may be related to the shared libs linked in some way, as the gnome ones are missing but I cannot see how === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=jonathan@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.128.19] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] iwj: ping? === mvo [n=egon@p54a67d7b.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] pitti: reminder for digikamimageplugins MIR - I suspect we can only do it before main freeze === hunger [n=tobias@163.5.100.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.212.225.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] dholbach: I've added translations to ubuntu-docs, can you take a look today and maybe upload? I've tested, it seems to ork [10:00] ever better, it works too === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] dholbach: best to reply by email, I'll be off irc during the day. Thanks in advance! === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495777c.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] dholbach: I commited changes to GDM (HumanList theme) and Human Icons === Keybuk [n=scott@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@121.Red-83-50-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] hey Keybuk [10:21] Keybuk: i think i found a bug in the last devicemapper stuff [10:22] root@diapolon:/etc/udev/rules.d# cat /proc/partitions |grep 64 [10:22] 8 64 20039544 sde [10:22] root@diapolon:/etc/init.d# /sbin/devmap_name 8 64 [10:22] Command failed [10:22] so basically i have no dm-* anylonger [10:22] fabbione: no module? [10:22] ahh [10:23] no, you've mis-interpreted the arguments to devmap_name [10:23] the arguments are the major and minor number of the devmapper device === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F72D9C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] Keybuk: the module is there [10:23] not the underlying device [10:23] cat /sys/block/dm-*/dev [10:23] and try devmap_name with those major/minor as arguments [10:23] there are no dm-* :) [10:23] are there any dm-* in /sys/block ? [10:24] nope [10:24] sure [10:24] ? [10:24] yes [10:24] can you paste me ls -l /sys/block [10:24] (so you don't have a /dev/mapper either?) [10:24] root@diapolon:/dev/mapper# ls [10:24] control [10:24] ok [10:25] paste me your /etc/udev/rules.d/25-dmsetup.rules [10:25] this is from this morning upgrade === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] siretart: pin [10:28] +g [10:28] Keybuk: yes? [10:28] siretart: did everything we did last night work for you? [10:28] has anything broken for you over night? [10:29] Keybuk: after installing your test udev package and adding that option to the evms rule, I'm happy again with my system :) [10:29] Keybuk: even creating snapshots works reliably now. I can finally use sbuild again :) [10:29] Nafallo: did you get a chance to test? [10:29] siretart: snapshots was the first thing I fixed [10:30] Keybuk: and the last thing I tried. it managed to break my lvm metadata more than one time, and I had to boot a live cd to restore it :/ [10:30] what's that? [10:30] Keybuk: nope. my last client suffers from a broken PSU it seems, so I don't dare to reboot the headless server ATM :-/ [10:30] what's what? lvm metadata? [10:31] siretart: snapshots work? Yay [10:31] *! [10:31] siretart: what's the last thing you tried that broke? [10:31] Keybuk: the last problem I had was that broken evms rule, I think [10:32] ah, your break your lvm metadata was *before* the fixes were applies? [10:32] yes, that was weeks ago [10:32] I interpreted that as you've done something since the "fix" that broke it? [10:32] s/last thing/last time/, I presume. [10:32] nono [10:32] I just wanted to say that I didn't try creating lvm snapshots in the last weeks [10:32] because I made bad experiences with it [10:33] I tried it yesterday, and I'm pleased to say that it works reliably for me now [10:33] :) [10:33] yay [10:33] and I actually think I understand lvm now [10:33] :) [10:34] Keybuk, iwj, is the build server back working? [10:34] tkamppeter: there's nothing wrong with the build server that I'm aware [10:34] next step (for goofy, not feisty): root on dmcrypt on lvm on md. anything else what we could add to that? ;) [10:35] <\sh> siretart: you are crazy ;-) [10:35] Keybuk, this dmsetup problem when it sets up the chroots about which I talked yesterday [10:35] tkamppeter: that's just a package problem [10:35] siretart: what's the difference between dmcrypt and cryptsetup? [10:35] \sh: actually, I don't even consider it too crazy [10:35] Keybuk, is this fixed? [10:35] tkamppeter: Yes. [10:36] tkamppeter: Fixed a short while ago. [10:36] Keybuk: cryptsetup is the userspace tool which drives the dm-crypt module in the kernel via libdevmapper [10:36] siretart: ah [10:36] siretart: encrypted filesystems is certainly on the +1 list [10:37] :) [10:37] and in theory, the changes that finally seem to be starting to work allow infinite filesystem stackage [10:37] so you could have LVM-on-MD-on-Crypt-on-LVM-on-MD-on-SAN === fabbione will start pushing * on * and include multipath [10:38] mdke, kwwii: will do [10:38] Keybuk: could you perhaps summarise what you did to fix the race? what did actually race here? [10:38] Mithrandir, can you then put a "give-back" (Pitti told me that this is needed to be done by you) to the packages hplip_1.7.3-0ubuntu1 and cupsys-1.2.8-0ubuntu2 on the build server, so that the do the builds which failed because of yesterday's dmsetup problem? [10:39] infinity, thanks for the fix. [10:39] tkamppeter: already done. [10:39] Mithrandir, thanks. === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F72D9C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@ip-81-170-103-124.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] kwwii, mdke: will do [10:47] Mithrandir: yay, live system has the hwdb notification now; I guess because the postinst is set -x now :-P [10:47] Mithrandir: (I guess the images just lagged behind after livefs.sh was fixed) === snowblink [n=snowblin@pacer.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] siretart: so, err [10:49] right [10:49] one asks libdevmapper1.02 to setup a device in the kernel for you [10:49] that does the ioctl() and then called mknod() [10:49] the ioctl() creates the block device, triggering a uevent which udev acts on [10:49] if udev and devmapper try and make the same block device, they can hurt each other [10:50] either you make udev not touch it (the edgy solution) [10:50] or you make devmapper not touch it [10:50] we've made devmapper not make the device, instead if udev is running it spins until the device shows up === Enola_Gay [n=enola@dslb-084-056-218-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] hi all [10:50] udev then has rules to obtain the intended name from the kernel, and make the device [10:50] pitti: the archive hasn't really been well for a couple of days, but it should recover today. [10:50] (yesterday evening's fix was to make udev *not* replace random characters like '|' in the names for those devices) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] this gives us race-free devmapper device creation, and useful events to tell us they're ready [10:51] Mithrandir: so, I'm happy now for this hwdb spec of doom :) [10:51] on those events, and any other block device which looks like it's an md or lvm member, we can run mdadm and lvm [10:52] and since those result in new block devices, those events can also cause mdadm, lvm, etc. to be run === Razor44 [n=kathy@ipa185.0.91.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] the evms fix was that it only responded to new block devices, and not changes to existing block devices [10:53] (err, I think that's it) [10:53] will upstream recognize their code now ? [10:53] we hardly changed anything [10:53] just the devmapper tweak to make it spin if udev is running [10:53] :) [10:55] Mithrandir: so, err problem again [10:55] dmsetup needs a particular version of udev [10:55] how do I force an update to that version of udev, without making the whole lot Required again? :p [10:56] Keybuk: breaks? [10:57] Keybuk: as in, add a Breaks to dmsetup [10:58] so Breaks: udev (<<) is fine? [10:58] that forces an upgrade of udev? [10:58] AIUI, yes. [10:58] it's like conflicts, but less hard on the dependency graph. [10:59] kwwii: you deleted HumanList/Human.xml but did not add a new *.xml file [10:59] kwwii: can you check bzr unknowns for files you might have forgot to bzr add? [11:01] Mithrandir: should udev declare the breaks, or should dmsetup declare it? [11:02] Keybuk: either can, but I think I would put it in dmsetup, since it's dmsetup that needs a newer udev, not udev that needs a newer dmsetup. [11:03] right [11:04] Breaks is just a weaker Conflicts. === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-17-105.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snowblink [n=snowblin@pacer.dreamhost.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_live [n=ubuntu@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] mvo: got a minute? [11:16] mvo: I'm on current amd64 live; apt-cache policy nvidia-glx only shows the archive.u.c. source, it's not taken from the CD repo === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] mvo: however, the cdrom is added in sources.list [11:17] pitti_live: can you do a ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists please? [11:17] mvo: oh, heh, wait; nvidia-glx isn't in ship-live, apparently [11:17] pitti_live: ok [11:17] only some avm-fritz-firmware stuff [11:17] pitti_live: the next thing would be apt-cache gencache [11:17] but if its not there thats a easy one :) [11:17] dholbach: cool, thanks for the info...I'll fix that [11:17] mvo: right, apt-get install avm-fritz-firmware works [11:18] mvo: well, downloading from archive is good enough, I think; the driver is huge, and CDs are full anyway [11:18] ok [11:18] kwwii: alrighty [11:18] fair enough [11:18] mvo: so, sorry for the noise === pitti_live hugs mvo [11:19] dholbach: yeah, I missed that in my bzr add command...comitting now [11:19] pitti_live: no worries === freeflying_ [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] kwwii: super thanks [11:19] dholbach: btw...thanks so much for all the help - without you there would be no artwork - I really appreciate everything (and your patience) === dholbach hugs kwwii [11:21] kwwii: np - I hope we'll manage to make it all easier at some stage and you'll have more eager helpers in the ubuntu-art team [11:22] dholbach: actually, the ubuntu-art team is starting to look good again - feisty+1 should be a big improvement in that area [11:22] I even got troy to talk positively :p === pitti_live [n=ubuntu@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] wow, enabling desktop-effects on the live CD now works surprisingly well; /me hugs seb128, mvo, and Mithrandir for the fixes for this === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] pitti_live: rock on, and that's nothing compared to the version uploaded yesterday which probably didn't build yet ;) === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] seb128: I saw that huge list of patches, yes [11:28] what's going on with the buildds BTW? [11:30] dmsetup needs a manual bootstrap - infinity said he was on it shortly some hours ago [11:30] cjwatson: that's fixed now. [11:30] ah good [11:30] seb128: the chroots got busted, Adam fixed it and did a mass-give-back [11:30] I think he just gave back everything that failed, not just everything that failed in the last 24 hours [11:33] Mithrandir: ok, thank you [11:35] kwwii: uploaded [11:35] dholbach: hug, hug ;-) [11:35] np :) === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] cjwatson: can you tell me in which package I can find the pic used in the very first screen of the installer? (grub, I assume) [11:43] kwwii: are you going to change ubuntulooks or should I do it? === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] kwwii: the panel 24x24 icon thing [11:44] seb128: might be better if you did it [11:44] seb128: if you don't mind, that is :-) [11:44] ok === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491e144.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] not at all, it's quick enough [11:45] gicmo: Alter! === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F72D9C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] ALTER! === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F72D9C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp19-203.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F72D9C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] kwwii: you mean the CD bootloader? it's not in a package, it's in debian-cd bzr (http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu) - procedure for improving it is to e-mail a new image to me [11:52] kwwii: or actually, better, file a bug on the ubuntu-cdimage product [11:53] fabbione: What can I do for you ? [11:53] cjwatson: cool, thanks...I'll check that out to understand the format and then file a bug asap [11:53] iwj: oh sorry.. i forgot to unping.. Keybuk did look into it [11:54] fabbione: Oh, good. lvm stuff again no doubt. [11:54] iwj: it's a problem with device mapper of some kind but it might be related to the buildd being a bit laggish [11:54] iwj: no lvm this time :) [11:54] iwj: basically i have no dm-* anywhere.. and udev events are a bit strange [11:57] Mmm, so I see in scrollback. Well, I'll let Keybuk carry on with it unless he gets bored ... [11:57] iwj: ehhe thanks anyway === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrsno [n=sno@unaffiliated/sn0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-c6b814eeb079d99e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] I have a bunch of mails from the buildds about `chroot problem'. [12:03] iwj: has been tended to. [12:04] Excellent. [12:06] cjwatson: one question...do you know if it is still necessary to only use 16 colors or can I do a full 256? [12:06] Mithrandir: could we get gtk2-engines-pixbuf added to the desktop seed or it's late for feisty? "Installed-Size: 240" and some themes need it (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/102797) [12:06] Malone bug 102797 in gtk+2.0 "gtk2-engines-pixbuf needs to be installed for pixmap themes (and it isn't by default)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:07] seb128: sure [12:07] Mithrandir: it's a binary package from gtk+2.0 [12:07] go ahead and get it done [12:07] ok, thank you === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] kwwii: what was that 24x24/categories/applications-graphics.png in h-i-t about? [12:30] kwwii: was that the one you wanted to drop? [12:32] kwwii: ah no, apparently not === dholbach does another upload === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Mithrandir: FYI, I've milestoned bug 91868 [12:35] Malone bug 91868 in casper "Magnifier does not start from accessibility menu due to incorrectly referenced file." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91868 [12:36] a fairly trivial fix === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p5495664d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yacoob [i=yacoob@hell.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:41] kwwii: there are two formats, *.rle which is a super-weird format and is limited to 639x320x16 but only used as a fallback, and *.pcx which is 640x480x256 [12:42] kwwii: the latter's what most people actually see - if you give me an image in 16 colours, I can deal with fitting it into the former format === Saied [n=Saied@80.191.2.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] kwwii: the latter has some restrictions with the menu positioning, so try to use roughly the same areas of the screen or I'll have to make irritating code changes [12:42] all, i remastered Kubuntu feisty and got this error in boot stage : /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off . how can i solve it? [12:44] is it a bug? === gicmo_ [n=gicmo@p5491CCE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] maybe you remastered it the wrong way? [12:46] cjwatson: excellent, thanks :-) === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] Treenaks: see : http://i7.tinypic.com/3y63ns3.png [12:49] Treenaks: i followed instructions in this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06 [12:51] Treenaks: everything was OK previous week but this week (with a update) this problem happened [12:56] any idea about this problem? === PhinnFort [n=martin@unaffiliated/phinnfort] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] does the grub that comes with feisty have the gfxboot patches applied? [01:05] PhinnFort: I think it doesn't === Tonio_ [n=tonio@230.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] :( [01:06] i thought feisty was all about the bling-bling [01:06] :P === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.128.19] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@146.168-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo_ is now known as gicmo === tuna [n=ron@bzq-82-81-98-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.33.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host216-173-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] can somebody of the devmapper maintainers fix libdevmapper1.02.postinst to check if /dev/mapper does not really exist before mkdir'ing it? === giangy [i=giangy@voyager.techtemple.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] Keybuk, iwj: ^ === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] please can someone read this and suggest where i go next? [01:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StandardisedHardwareSupport === giangy [i=giangy@voyager.techtemple.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] was the dmsetup/devmapper issue on the buildds supposed to be fixed? === PF-Away [n=martin@cC3ED5AC1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] http://librarian.launchpad.net/7140668/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.filezilla_3.0.0%7Ebeta7-0ubuntu1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz [01:53] cool, dmsetup is fixed, but now it's libdevmapper1.02 which is broken [01:54] dholbach: sorry, missed your earlier comment [01:54] dholbach: I added that pic because it looks a bit nicer than the brush alone for the applications-graphics pic === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] dholbach: we dropped the old version because it was ugly and blurry, but this one fixes that === Adri2000 pings Mithrandir and Keybuk about the buildds being broken again [01:59] dholbach: done === adam0509 [n=benoit@stc92-1-82-227-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AD684.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] seb128: How well do you understand system-tools-backend and the way it creates /etc/ppp/peers/ppp0 ? I'm trying to add `noauth' by default but the tangled mess of crazy stuff in system-tools-backends-2.2.0/Network/Ifaces.pm has me baffled. === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] iwj: I don't know system-tools-backend very well, but upstream is on the GNOME IRC usually, let me ask him [02:09] Thanks. [02:09] np [02:10] I could go there and chat directly. It's a fairly obvious thing for us to change ... === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] seb128: irc.gnome.orc I take it - which channel ? [02:15] iwj: #gst [02:15] cjwatson: ok, I've created a bug (#102840) and attached the pics [02:16] cjwatson: I think I'll leave the rle pics as they are 16 colors - anything I make would look different than the pics used in the rest of the distri anyway [02:18] ogra, Riddell : you guys might want to check the pics in that bug as well ( although they look the same as the usplash pics) [02:18] thats fine with me [02:18] if they look the same after packaging them indeed ;) === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] in Soviet Russia, they use WPA. === lotusleaf [n=mette@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] seb128: Do you mind if I upload a -0ubuntu2 of zenity, closing 2 of the 3 open bugs? === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] StevenK: not at all, how complicated are the changes? [02:23] seb128: A 17 line patch into debian/patches, and adding 4 lines to debian/rules [02:23] StevenK: looks good [02:23] seb128: Happy to throw the debdiff onto the Intarweb if you want to see [02:23] StevenK: what bug does it fix? [02:24] could you attach it to launchpad if it fixes an Ubuntu bug? [02:24] seb128: #50349 and #83549 [02:24] bug #50349 [02:24] Malone bug 50349 in zenity "no man page for gdialog" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50349 [02:24] bug #83549 [02:24] Malone bug 83549 in zenity "zenity zenity --text-info --editable crashes on 56K text file on stdin" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83549 [02:25] ogra: I certainly hope they look the same after packaging ;-) [02:25] :) [02:25] seb128: I'll attach the debdiff to 83549 [02:25] StevenK: ok, thank you === lotusleaf [n=mette@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] [02:26] seb128: Done. [02:27] does anyone actually read ubuntu-devel-discuss, btw? === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-183.swipnet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] alex-weej: I do [02:29]