[12:16] <joejaxx> has anyone constant resizing on some application dialogs? like Save As in gimp or leafpad?
[12:16] <joejaxx> has anyone noticed*
[12:17] <joejaxx> on feisty of course
[12:18] <TheMuso> joejaxx: No.
[12:18] <TheMuso> I barely use GUI as it is.
[12:18] <joejaxx> oh ok
[12:19] <ajmitch> joejaxx: using some crackful window manager?
[12:20] <TheMuso> heh
[12:20] <joejaxx> lol
[12:22] <_MMA_> ajmitch: http://pastebin.ca/423086 (las=Paul Davis Ardour dev) Ive sent off a email to Free to see if we can get something done.
[12:24] <joejaxx> i wonder why branding was deleted off the launchpad distro pages
[12:25] <joejaxx> with the switch to launchpad 1.0
[12:25] <sharms> ScottK: pid files are created however you want to create them
[12:25] <sharms> ScottK: for instance, in python, I use the os module to figure out my pid, and then I will write that pid to /var/run/myprogram.pid
[12:26] <sharms> ScottK: rinse wash and repeat for any language really
[12:44] <gnomefreak> using dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz command in the file for repo. now do i upload teh .gz file or the packages themselves?
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Both.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> ah ok ty
[02:09] <zen> Hey, I'm having some trouble recompiling the mail-notification package.  Where could I paste a log and maybe someone could point me to a fix if it's trivial?
[02:10] <TheMuso> !pastebin | zen 
[02:10] <ubotu> zen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:10] <zen> Should I toss up the entire thing, or just the end parts near the error?
[02:12] <zen> Here's the end bit.
[02:12] <zen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13796/
[02:12] <TheMuso> zen: Whatever you think may be relevant to work out what the problem is.
[02:12] <zen> I put up the last section.
[02:13] <zen> Seems like there are multiple errors, but I don't know if it's a cascade.
[02:13] <zen> I make it just by "apt-get source mail-notification", removing the "--disable-ssl" line from debian/rules, and then just "debuild".
[02:16] <TheMuso> zen: Have you tried changing --dsiable-sll to --enable-ssl?
[02:17] <TheMuso> Other than that, I am no C expert.
[02:18] <zen> Nope.  I'll try it.  (Though according to docs, that's the default.)  As a side note, the raw source package from the author compiles fine.  But the debian/ubuntu packages have some extra integration stuff.
[02:21] <zen> well, --enable-ssl didn't help, but I just --disable-evolution'd it, and it works now, I think....
[02:25] <zen> okay...totally different error...
[02:25] <zen> dh_install -pmail-notification-evolution debian/tmp//usr/lib/evolution/2.10/plugins/org-gnome-mail-notification.eplug
[02:25] <zen> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp//usr/lib/evolution/2.10/plugins/org-gnome-mail-notification.eplug': No such file or directory
[02:25] <zen> Any ideas to fix that?
[02:29] <TheMuso> zen: You need to go into the debian directory and remove any references to that file that can't be found. Since you disabled evolution stuff, that file is no longer being built.
[02:30] <zen> There's a lot of files in there...I should just hunt for it in all the files or is there a likely place to find it?
[02:31] <zen> (and there's a separate mail-notification-evolution package, so its kinda weird that its stumbling on evolution stuff...)
[02:34] <zen> is it possible mail-notification-evolution is build with the same deb files as mail-notification ?
[02:44] <TheMuso> zen: The dpkg command, particularly dpkg -S for searching for what files belong to what packages, as well as the grep  command to find text in files are your friends.
[02:51] <zen> Okay, suppose the same deb-source file is being used for two packages...how does debuild know which one to build?  Because it looks like it's trying to build mail-notification-evolution instead of just mail-notification (since those dh-install commands are in the rules for mail-notification-evolution).
[02:51] <TheMuso> !packagingguide | zen 
[02:51] <ubotu> zen: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[02:52] <TheMuso> zen: The packaging guide will help you work out just how a lot of stuff works in Debian package building.
[02:52] <zen> Oh....thanks!
[03:00] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: That's a bad thing?
[03:01] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: ive packaged it over 15 times since friday 
[03:01] <gnomefreak> but getting to be fun :)
[03:01] <Fujitsu> Isn't it already in Debian?
[03:02] <jmg> hmm
[03:02] <gnomefreak> yes but thiers wouldnt build for us due to messed up patches
[03:02] <jmg> icedove being packaged as a totally FOSS alternative to thunderbird?
[03:02] <gnomefreak> we fixed 3 patches and used seamonkey source with debian dir. 
[03:02] <jmg> i thought mofo got on better with ubuntu
[03:03] <jmg> whats the rationale to include icedove and thunderbird other than for foss bigots?
[03:03] <gnomefreak> oops
[03:03] <gnomefreak> not icedove iceape
[03:03] <jmg> iceape = seamonkey on ice?
[03:03] <gnomefreak> debian refused to agree to mozillas requirements
[03:04] <gnomefreak> icedove == thunderbird with name and icon changes
[03:04] <Flannel> jmg: yes
[03:05] <jmg> ok
[03:05] <jmg> now
[03:05] <jmg> i think that iceweasel should alter the about:mozilla page to complain about their trademark policy
[03:06] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I still think iceweasel shouldve gone with antartica centered the globe.
[03:06] <gnomefreak> i will have testing repo open for ff3 and iceape in the next couple days
[03:06] <gnomefreak> Flannel: agreed :)
[03:06] <gnomefreak> that sounds nicer
[03:07] <jmg>              complain about their trademark policy
[03:07] <jmg> er
[03:07] <jmg> about:love - Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra when suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ok be back tomorrow its bed time
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:32] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!
[03:33] <bddebian> Hi Jucato, Hobbsee
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: saw my post? :D
[03:34] <Hobbsee> looks good, from glancing at it just then
[03:43] <Fujitsu> PHP4 is dead, get over, stupid people.
[03:43] <Fujitsu> *get over it
[03:43] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dont read the forums.  it will do you lots of good.
[03:44] <Fujitsu> I made the mistake of responding to the thread about PHP4's removal a number of weeks ago.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: silly
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Duh.
[03:55] <bddebian> heh
[03:56] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch 
[03:57] <joejaxx> bddebian: doing some initial packaging on it :)
[03:59] <bddebian> joejaxx: ?? You mean kdrive?
[03:59] <joejaxx> yeah
[04:00] <joejaxx> ajmitch: it is?
[04:00] <joejaxx> i must have overlooked it then
[04:00] <joejaxx> because i thought it was not in the repository
[04:00] <ajmitch> ah, xephyr is (based on kdrive)
[04:01] <joejaxx> ahh xephyr
[04:01] <ajmitch> I think kdrive used to be
[04:01] <ajmitch> given that there are source package records in launchpad
[04:01] <joejaxx> yeah
[04:01] <ajmitch> xserver-kdrive | 6.6.1+cvs20060804-0ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy edgy/universe Sources
[04:02] <joejaxx> it was removed from feisty
[04:04] <ajmitch> correct
[04:04] <ajmitch> it was also removed from debian
[04:05] <Fujitsu> Er, why is dmsetup trying to being installed in buildd builds?
[04:05] <ajmitch> dependency chain
[04:05] <joejaxx> ajmitch: so that is probably why then
[04:05] <Fujitsu> And it tries to execute initramfs-tools on installation, and that's not installed, so the world explodes.
[04:06] <joejaxx> are there any package removal logs?
[04:06] <ajmitch> e2fsprogs->libblkid1->libdevmapper1.02
[04:06] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: wrong
[04:06] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it was spotted & already fixed
[04:06] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Good to hear.
[04:06] <ajmitch> since it would cause the world to explode, just before a major freeze
[04:06] <Fujitsu> This is true.
[04:07] <ajmitch> now it only calls initramfs-tools if it exists
[04:07] <jmg> why did kdrive get removed?
[04:07] <Fujitsu> Well, that obviously hasn't propagated to the buildds yet.
[04:07] <joejaxx> jmg: that is why i asked if there were any package removal logs :P
[04:09] <jmg> Fujitsu: why?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> They're uninstallable and broken.
[04:10] <jmg> isnt that in main for edubuntu?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[04:10] <jmg> sooo.. fix?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> Not going to happen.
[04:10] <jmg> because?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> That would require a SVN snapshot, which is not meant for release.
[04:11] <Fujitsu> The changes are inconceivably large.
[04:11] <ajmitch> jmg: because of various things upstream, stuff can't magically stay in main 
[04:11] <jmg> is it python2.5/zope related?
[04:11] <ajmitch> zope3.3 related
[04:11] <Fujitsu> jmg: It wants an older Zope.
[04:11] <ajmitch> API changes
[04:11] <bddebian> w00t
[04:11] <jmg> ajmitch: older zope blocked why?
[04:11] <bddebian> Hmm, I think I expire tomorrow..
[04:12] <ajmitch> jmg: because it was written with older APIs in mind, which were changed
[04:12] <jmg> bddebian: i'll send your family a card
[04:12] <ajmitch> since zope 3.x is a moving target still
[04:12] <jmg> ajmitch: i mean, why cant the older zope required by schooltool live on?
[04:12] <bddebian> jmg: Sweet thanks
[04:13] <Fujitsu> Haha, I like the new time display system:
[04:13] <jmg> surely edubuntu should have the latest stable schooltool
[04:13] <Fujitsu> Ankur Kotwal   	 2005-08-30   	 in 21 hours   	Approved
[04:13] <Fujitsu> jmg: Which stable schooltool?
[04:13] <Fujitsu> There's no such thing.
[04:13] <ajmitch> because zope 3.2 can't be installed alongside 3.3
[04:14] <ajmitch> so the only option would be to downgrade zope
[04:14] <jmg> "cant"
[04:14] <Fujitsu> bddebian: You have 46 hours remaining, so not toooo bad. You'd better mail The Council.
[04:14] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: he doesn't need to
[04:15] <Fujitsu> Is there some new automatic renewal law I didn't see?
[04:15] <ajmitch> no
[04:15] <ajmitch> it's already been discussed on the MC list
[04:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: jinty did prepare beta schooltool packages that didn't depend on schoolbell
[04:20] <Fujitsu> OK, but do we really want to release them?
[04:23] <ajmitch> it'd require a bunch of new packagesa
[04:23] <Fujitsu> That's unlikely to happen.
[04:25] <ajmitch> sad but true
[04:26] <Fujitsu> They should have a release for Feisty+1, so we're only without it for Feisty.
[04:26] <ajmitch> considering that a big thing on the schooltool frontpage is being part of edubuntu..
[04:27] <ajmitch> "new release soon", back in october
[04:28] <Fujitsu> Yes, the lack of progress is rather unfortunate.
[04:28] <Fujitsu> But it should speed up a lot once they've got it deployed in the test schools.
[04:32] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia 
[04:32] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[04:32] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[04:33] <Burgundavia> work is driving me around the bend
[04:33] <micahcowan> Does the SixQuoteEscape sometimes fail to work on Moin, and is there an alternative (for some reason, in one or two contexts it is causing a bold-face toggle, like ''')
[04:33] <micahcowan> ?
[04:33] <Burgundavia> ``
[04:34] <Burgundavia> do that
[04:35] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: oh that's ok, work is supposed to do that for you
[04:35] <micahcowan> Thanks very much; where do I place that (within the CamelCaps "link"?), and is this documented somewhere in wiki.ubuntu.com's help pages (not in HelpOnLinking, AFAICT).
[04:35] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: no, not like this
[04:37] <micahcowan> (I now have the answer to the first part)
[04:40] <bddebian> Jesus, this frickin' Dell XPS is HUGE
[04:40] <bddebian> But at least it has sexy neon blue lights :-)
[04:41] <_MMA_> bddebian: LOL A friend just got one. It is a monster. I think his was red.
[04:41] <bddebian> Yeah mines chrome with a black front
[04:42] <bddebian> I about shit myself when I saw the box.  It's bigger than an old Proliant 3000 box
[04:42] <_MMA_> :)
[04:42] <crimsun> dang, wealthy folk here
[04:43] <_MMA_> crimsun: pfftt.. You could have one. Pull some of that cash out of the mattress. :)
[04:43] <jmg> bddebian: your definition of sexy is disturbing
[04:43] <bddebian> heh
[05:01] <ScottK> crimsun: Are you available to help me with my clamsmtp pid file problem?
[05:02] <crimsun> ScottK: not really, but what's the gist?
[05:02] <ScottK> The gist is that I could find no pid related differences between the dapper and feisty packages, so I took the feisty source package and built it on my dapper box and it made a pid file just fine.
[05:03] <ScottK> So, crimsun, who (which package) do I blame or hints on how to figure it out?
[05:04] <crimsun> hmm, does the initscript check for the existence of /var/run [and /var/lock if necessary]  first?
[05:04] <ajmitch> and any needed subdirectories under them
[05:04] <ScottK> The init script doesn't make the pid file.  Clamsmtp does.
[05:04] <crimsun> the only other major change I can think of would be upstart
[05:05] <ScottK> That's what I was thinking, but I don't know nearly enough to have any idea.
[05:05] <ScottK> Since that came in with edgy and it's broken on edgy and feisty, it would fit.
[05:09] <ScottK> The only error that gets logged is 'clamsmtpd: couldn't open pid file: /var/run/clamsmtp/clamsmtpd.pid: No such file or directory'
[05:10] <crimsun> does invoking clamsmtpd manually create the pid file properly?
[05:12] <ajmitch> ScottK: right, so what creates the directory /var/run/clamsmtp?
[05:13] <ajmitch> remember that /var/run gets emptied on boot (tmpfs)
[05:15] <ScottK> well the directory doesn't get made.
[05:15] <ScottK> The debug isn't a lot of help:
[05:16] <ScottK> clamsmtpd: couldn't open pid file: /var/run/clamsmtp/clamsmtpd.pid: No such file or directory
[05:16] <ScottK> clamsmtpd: wrote pid file: /var/run/clamsmtp/clamsmtpd.pid
[05:16] <ScottK> But when I look, neither the PID file nor the directory are there.  
[05:16] <ScottK> I guess I need to hunt through the clamsmtp source and find where it thinks it's making the directory...
[05:21] <ajmitch> ScottK: the initscript (if any) must make it
[05:21] <ajmitch> it must be recreated on each bootup
[05:23] <ScottK> ajmitch: OK.  I believe you, but I don't see where it does it.  Is start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile ${PIDFILE} etc...  supposed to create the pid file or just look for one?
[05:24] <ajmitch> no, it won't create it
[05:24] <welshbyte> --make-pidfile does that
[05:24] <ajmitch> you create the directory
[05:24] <ScottK> That's the only place in the init the pid file gets mentioned on start.
[05:26] <ajmitch> ScottK: yes, and it's as simple as 1 line to make the directory
[05:26] <ajmitch> [ -e /var/run/clamsmtp ]  || mkdir -p /var/run/clamsmtp
[05:35] <ScottK> ajmitch: This is progress.  "clamsmtpd: couldn't open pid file: /var/run/clamsmtp/clamsmtpd.pid: Permission denied"  Thanks.
[05:37] <ScottK> That I knew how to fix....
[05:37] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:37] <ajmitch> you could replace mkdir with install -d -o someuser 
[05:38] <ScottK> Any clues why this wasn't necessary on Dapper, but is on Edgy/Feisty?  I'd like to understand a bit of what's going on here...
[05:39] <ajmitch> because /var/run wasn't a tmpfs on dapper
[05:39] <ajmitch> since then initscripts have needed to be changed if they used directories under /var/run
[05:41] <ScottK> Thanks.  Makes sense.  install -d -o works nicely too.  Appreciate the assistance.  I'll do up a new patch now.
[05:42] <ajmitch> np
[06:11] <ScottK> OK.  The revised patch to fix Bug #102470 and Bug #102391 is uploaded to Bug #102470.  If anyone from U-U-S can take a look at it, I'd appreciate it.  I'm off to bed.  Thanks again ajmitch and crimsun for all the help.
[06:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script does not create PID file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[06:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 102391 in clamsmtp "clamsmtp: config files uses obsolete scanheader option" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102391
[07:12] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:25] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
[07:26] <dholbach> heya Fujitsu
[07:33] <ajmitch> hey dholbach 
[07:34] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[07:34] <ajmitch> dholbach: want to email the TB about bddebian?
[07:34] <ajmitch> unless it's already been done
[07:34] <dholbach> why me? :)
[07:35] <ajmitch> because I'm going out soon :)
[07:35] <dholbach> ok
[07:35] <ajmitch> I should really find out..
[07:40] <ajmitch> ah good, 50 minutes :)
[08:05] <don_j> I'm gonna edit my startup-files. Any information/manual about the ubuntu startup files?
[08:06] <imbrandon> upstart.ubuntu.com
[08:08] <don_j> nice site
[08:31] <RAOF> I've got a mail from launchpad's buildd's, with an chroot problem when building banshee.  Is there anything I need to do?  Should I contact the buildd admins?
[08:37] <Fujitsu> RAOF: It's a known issue. All the chroots are broken at the moment.
[08:37] <RAOF> Ok.  Thanks.
[08:38] <RAOF> (Is there anywhere where this information is shown?)
[08:38] <Fujitsu> No.
[08:38] <viviersf> is any1 else having problems with debootstrap ?
[08:50] <siretart> hi folks
[08:50] <siretart> ajmitch: around?
[08:50] <RAOF> Hey siretart.
[08:50] <siretart> hi RAOF
[08:50] <Fujitsu> Hi siretart.
[08:51] <siretart> hi Fujitsu 
[08:55] <imbrandon> moins all
[08:55] <RAOF> Afternoon imbrandon!
[08:56] <imbrandon> 2m not afternoon :)
[08:56] <imbrandon> am*
[08:56] <RAOF> Maybe not for you :)
[09:04] <jml> heh heh
[09:04] <jml> the nightmarish, flickering glow
[09:04] <RAOF> Well, no, not really :)
[09:15] <joejaxx> hello everyone :)
[09:57] <\sh> moins
[10:49] <sacater> mroning all
[10:49] <sacater> morning*
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Hi sacater.
[10:52] <gnomefreak> is it hard to generate a Release.gpg for a repo?
[11:46] <ajmitch> siretart: here now :)
[11:55] <jekil> hello
[12:13] <siretart> ajmitch: I've noticed some requests for new packages assigned to motu-uvf. I remember that we agreed on that, but I don't remember the acceptance policy for new packages
[12:13] <siretart> ajmitch: could you refresh my memory please? ;)
[12:13] <ajmitch> it was *meant* to be until beta freeze
[12:13] <ajmitch> but I don't know if we're sticking to that or not :)
[12:13] <ajmitch> eg daniel putting in requests for packages :)
[12:14] <siretart> e.g. I'd love to have sauerbraten in feisty (can be synced from debian/contrib)
[12:14] <siretart> but I don't know if that would fit our policy of new packages
[12:15] <ajmitch> dholbach: opinions? :)
[12:15] <dholbach> tollef said he was fine with that
[12:16] <dholbach> ajmitch: ^
[12:16] <ajmitch> ok
[12:16] <Fujitsu> It's not going to kill anything.
[12:18] <AstralJava> dholbach: I know you must be super-busy, but can you take a look at ubuntustudio-sounds in REVU? TheMuso has ACKed it once. It needs a 2nd one as it's a new package, no?
[12:18] <dholbach> AstralJava: please ask somebody else
[12:18] <AstralJava> dholbach: Okay thanks!
[12:18] <dholbach> AstralJava: either ping in here or ask on ubuntu-motu@
[12:18] <dholbach> sorry
[12:18] <AstralJava> No prob. :)
[12:19] <AstralJava> Is there a kind and not-so-busy MOTU in here who could take a look at ubuntustudio-sounds in REVU? We need a second ACK for it, to file an exception bug. It'd mean a lot to UbuntuStudio project if we got our artwork packages into universe for Feisty. Thanks! :)
[12:57] <LongPointyStick> AstralJava: you might want to put the URL for it?
[12:58] <AstralJava> Okay sorry. :) I'll add those.
[01:00] <LongPointyStick> (into here)
[01:02] <AstralJava> LongPointyStick: For ubuntustudio-look http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4778
[01:02] <AstralJava> For usplash-theme-ubuntustudio http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4782
[01:03] <AstralJava> For ubuntustudio-sounds http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4780
[01:03] <AnAnt> how can I request a sync for feisty+1 ?
[01:04] <StevenK> You can't.
[01:04] <AnAnt> ok
[01:04] <AnAnt> nor feisty ?
[01:04] <StevenK> At least, not until after Feisty has been released.
[01:05] <AnAnt> ok
[01:06] <AnAnt> StevenK: I have another problem, a package used to work in Edgy, now doesn't work in Feisty
[01:06] <AnAnt> and I dunno what's the reason
[01:06] <StevenK> AnAnt: Which package, and is there a bug?
[01:07] <AnAnt> StevenK: no, there's isn't a bug, the package is acon
[01:07] <AnAnt> StevenK: I'm the maintainer btw
[01:07] <StevenK> Can you explain how it doesn't work?
[01:07] <AnAnt> StevenK: this package works in virtual console, some key combinations don't work anymore (like CTRL+ALT+O)
[01:09] <StevenK> Ah nice, 1.5.0-0ubuntu3 == 1.5.0-2
[01:10] <AnAnt> no, they are not the same
[01:10] <AstralJava> For ubuntustudio-icon-theme http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4783
[01:10] <AnAnt> oh
[01:10] <AnAnt> yes
[01:10] <StevenK> In terms of changes made, they are.
[01:10] <AnAnt> I thought you meant ubuntu3=ubuntu2
[01:10] <AnAnt> yes, -0ubuntu3 == Debians -2
[01:11] <AnAnt> StevenK: can there be a reason why it doesn't work in Feisty ? Can it be kernel related or what ?!
[01:11] <StevenK> Ctrl-Alt-O works for me.
[01:11] <AnAnt> StevenK: what do you get ?
[01:12] <AnAnt> StevenK: a blue screen ?
[01:12] <StevenK> No, I get "Acon is loaded"
[01:12] <AnAnt> StevenK: yes, it does load, but some key combinations don't work
[01:13] <StevenK> Ctrl-Alt-O works, can I have more examples? :-)
[01:13] <AnAnt> StevenK: a menu screen is supposed to appear when you press CTRL+ALT+_
[01:13] <AnAnt> StevenK: a menu screen is supposed to appear when you press CTRL+ALT+O
[01:13] <AnAnt> StevenK: but what happens is I get some wierd character typed instead
[01:14] <AnAnt> btw, it is the leftCtrl+leftAlt+O that I am talking about
[01:14] <StevenK> Yes.
[01:14] <StevenK> However, I have no idea how to debug it.
[01:14] <AnAnt> StevenK: yes what ? 
[01:16] <StevenK> AnAnt: Okay, does that key combo work with 1.5.0-2 in Debian unstable?
[01:16] <AnAnt> StevenK: I didn't try it in Debian
[01:17] <AnAnt> but it did work in Edgy
[01:17] <AnAnt> it did work with -0ubuntu3 in Edgy
[01:17] <StevenK> I'm curious if it works if I rebuild -0ubuntu3
[01:18] <AnAnt> what difference should that make ?
[01:19] <StevenK> I'm trying to narrow down where the problem is.
[01:19] <AnAnt> StevenK: ic
[01:43] <AstralJava> Minor update: ubuntustudio-icon-theme can now be found at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4784
[01:47] <illovae> hello
[01:54] <ScottK> The revised patch to fix Bug #102470 and Bug #102391 is uploaded to Bug #102470.  If anyone from U-U-S can take a look at it, I'd appreciate it.
[01:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script does not create PID file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[01:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102391 in clamsmtp "clamsmtp: config files uses obsolete scanheader option" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102391
[01:57] <crimsun> nice. If someone else doesn't process them first, I'll get to them in 90 minutes after lecture.
[01:59] <illovae> !seen LaserJock
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen laserjock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:59] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  I'll let you know if they're still waiting for someone.
[01:59] <TheMuso> crimsun: I'll still be around. Ging to do a late nighter.
[02:05] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:05] <BugMaN> Hi DarkSun88 :)
[02:05] <DarkSun88> Hi BugMaN 
[02:07] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee!
[02:08] <TheMuso> Hey RAOF.
[02:08] <RAOF> Hey TheMuso.
[02:08] <RAOF> I'm just marvelling at the changelog for compiz -1ubuntu13
[02:09] <RAOF> gandalfn appears to be trying to import 0.4.0 git patch by patch :(
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso!
[02:09] <RAOF> Hey Hobbsee
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hi RAOF 
[02:13] <RAOF> Woah, cool.  That didn't break ABI!
[02:15] <jdong> RAOF: hehe I was making that comment in another channel yesterday :D
[02:15] <jdong> looked like a comical case of circumventing UVF :)
[02:16] <RAOF> :S
[02:17] <StevenK> I've figured out how to do everything I want except domain rewriting
[02:18] <zul> night ajmitch 
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Night ajmitch.
[02:19] <Yagisan> goodnight ajmitch 
[02:21] <Yagisan> wow
[02:21] <Yagisan> I bought a logitech mx610 mouse today
[02:21] <Yagisan> it has a lot of useless buttons
[02:22] <Yagisan> one has an picture of an envelope on it - I push the button, and evolution loads
[02:22] <Yagisan> I am impressed
[02:25] <AstralJava> I could never use those, I accidentally push just the sole extra scroll button. :)
[02:28] <Yagisan> I've never had any extra button work before
[02:28] <Yagisan> I was just impressed that on does work
[02:29] <Yagisan> now to remap them to the things I use most
[02:58] <EtienneG> good <time of day>, everybody
[02:59] <EtienneG> I would need a sponsor for an upload, got a UVF exception
[03:06] <ded_> hi
[03:06] <ded_> does someone could explain me the difference bethween the same package in two dist using deb?
[03:16] <crimsun> EtienneG: details, please?
[03:18] <EtienneG> crimsun, it's bzr-gtk 0.15.2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-gtk/+bug/102548
[03:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 102548 in bzr-gtk "UVF exception for 0.15.2" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[03:18] <EtienneG> I have uploaded my package at people.ubuntu.com/~etienne/bzr-gtk
[03:30] <crimsun> bug 102548
[03:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 102548 in bzr-gtk "UVF exception for 0.15.2" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102548
[03:30] <crimsun> ^ EtienneG 
[03:30] <EtienneG> crimsun, thanks a lot !
[03:31] <crimsun> thank _you_!
[03:31] <ScottK> crimsun: No one jumped on Bug #102470, so if you'd have time to upload, I'd appreciate it...
[03:31] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script does not create PID file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[03:32] <crimsun> ScottK: looking
[03:32] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:34] <AstralJava> I hope this won't be taken as flooding, but I'm still looking for a second MOTU to ACK these packages in REVU: ubuntustudio-icon-theme http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4786, ubuntustudio-sounds http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4780, usplash-theme-ubuntustudio http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4782, and ubuntustudio-look http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4778. 
[03:35] <crimsun> bug 102470
[03:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 102470 in clamsmtp "Clamsmtp init script does not create PID file" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102470
[03:35] <crimsun> ^ ScottK 
[03:35] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  I'll keep an eye one it and update the bugs accordingly.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> AstralJava: poke
[04:32] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Is it to do with the packages he wants reviewed?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yes
[04:32] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I may be able to help. Whats up?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> was just looking for where they were
[04:32] <TheMuso> oh ok.
[04:33] <_MMA_> Hobbsee: Thanx for any help you give us. :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> looks clean
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ooh, wow.  command not found in action
[04:37] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: ?
[04:39] <TheMuso> oh
[04:40] <bahadunn> howdy
[04:42] <AstralJava> Hobbsee: Hi there. :)
[04:43] <bahadunn> how long does it take for bugs to be closed after it is resolved?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bahadunn: the length of time in which it takes for someone who knows how to close bugs, to see it.
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:47] <bahadunn> howdy
[05:20] <ScottK> If a package FTBFS because of a problem not related to that package, do I need to do anything or does it eventually get rebuilt?
[05:21] <ScottK> My new clamsmtp package fails because of dpkg: error processing libdevmapper1.02 (--configure): on all the archs it's built on so far.  
[05:22] <jdong> what was that fancy apport-ish command for opening a bug report against a package?
[05:23] <ScottK> Was that a separate question or a hint I ought to go open a bug against libdevmapper?
[05:24] <bahadunn> I think I have a patch for bug #67429
[05:24] <ubotu> Malone bug 67429 in mrename "mrename breaks due to wrong shebang" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67429
[05:25] <bahadunn> that was interesting
[05:29] <ScottK> bahadunn: You need to attach the patch to the bug.
[05:30] <ucap> what do I need to do once I have added a patch to a bug? Do I have to notify someone and if so, who do I get in touch with?
[05:31] <Adri2000> ScottK: it's a known problem of devmapper, and a fix has been uploaded
[05:32] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  Then I guess someone should update the bug.  Thanks.
[05:32] <Adri2000> ucap: subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[05:32] <\sh> bahadunn: s/\#\!\/bin\/sh/\#\!\/bin\/bash/
[05:33] <ucap> Adri2000: okay, that's it? how long will it take for them to have a look at it?
[05:34] <Adri2000> ucap: it will be faster if you give us the bug number here
[05:35] <bahadunn> ScottK: yeah I need to sign up first though
[05:36] <ucap> Adri2000: that's a good idea - so someone else can take a look at it, because those were the first two bugs I (hopefully) fixed. just a second - will look up the numbers
[05:37] <ucap> #83673 and #92432
[05:38] <Adri2000> bug #83673 #92432
[05:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 83673 in sendmail "Misleading emphasis" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83673
[05:38] <Adri2000> ... bug #92432
[05:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 92432 in bzr "index.html contains mainly broken links" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92432
[05:40] <sacater> does anyone know who i might talk about the kernel?
[05:40] <sacater> and a possible bug/glitch?
[05:40] <Adri2000> ucap: bzr is in main, so we (MOTUs) can't upload it, and I think you should work with EtienneG, he's the maintainer of bzr
[05:41] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody!
[05:41] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:41] <Adri2000> heya Toadstool
[05:42] <Toadstool> hi bddebian & Adri2000 
[05:42] <Adri2000> sacater: the kernel maintainer in ubuntu is Ben Collins
[05:43] <sacater> Adri2000: thank you
[05:43] <Toadstool> Adri2000 is a bot!!1 :)
[05:43] <Toadstool> !maintainer apport
[05:43] <Adri2000> pitti
[05:43] <Adri2000> o/
[05:43] <Toadstool> w00t!
[05:43] <sacater> !maintainer kernel
[05:43] <Adri2000> hm
[05:46] <ucap> Adri2000: will do, thanks!
[05:48] <EtienneG> ucap, thanks a lot for the bzr doc bug, it slipped by in my inbox
[05:51] <ucap> EtienneG: I didn't even realize you where in here. Don't mention it - I know it's not a major bug, but it was an easy one to get started
[05:52] <EtienneG> ucap, sure, your contribution is very appreciated, this one slipped of my radar
[05:54] <ucap> EtienneG: no problem - btw, as mentioned in the last comment - the last link is a dead link.
[05:57] <cypher1> can anyone please tell me, what is meant by held packages.. i am having problems updating to Feisty Beta
[05:58] <cypher1> or how i can find the held(culprit) packages.. the update-manager seems to give less details
[05:59] <Adri2000> cypher1: this is not a support channel, please join #ubuntu+1
[05:59] <cypher1> Adri2000, sure sorry
[05:59] <sacater> anyone here good with perl, and perl gui?
[06:00] <jdong> ScottK: oh no, no, I didn't mean that as a jab at you.. it was a totally unrelated question
[06:00] <jdong> I really wanted to know what the command was
[06:00] <jdong> someone showed me here a few weeks back
[06:00] <jdong> and I forgot
[06:00] <ScottK> OK.  NP.  I was just checking.
[06:29] <xopher> Is deluge 0.5.x going to make it into Feisty?
[06:55] <ScottK> Looks like my earlier question got answered on #ubuntu-devel:
 geser: not entirely automatically, but it's likely that there'll just be a mass give-back, which amounts to the same thing
 geser: not entirely automatically, but it's likely that there'll just be a mass give-back, which amounts to the same thing
[06:56] <ScottK> Oops...
 will everyone please stop panicking about buildds. this has been a public service announcement. :-)
[09:57] <ajmitch> morning
[09:58] <DktrKranz> hi ajmitch 
[09:59] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: ah, you're still with us
[10:00] <bddebian> I think I have a few hours left..
[10:02] <ajmitch> apart from the little fact that the TB will renew your membership
[10:03] <ScottK> That sounded ominous  ...
[10:03] <ScottK> Oh.
[10:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well that would be news to me :-)
[10:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: not really
[10:04] <bddebian> It wouldn't?  MC != TB
[10:04] <ajmitch> and?
[10:06] <bddebian> And how would I know that TB was going to renew me?
[10:08] <ajmitch> psychic powers
[10:08] <bddebian> heh
[10:08] <bddebian> I'm lucky to do simple addition :)
[11:23] <EtienneG> crimsun, I am kind of worried about the upload of bzr-gtk this morning ... it have yet to show up on Launchapd
[11:53] <DarkSun88> Any universe sponsor here?
[11:55] <geser> DarkSun88: what do you need?
[11:56] <Fujitsu> Morning everybody.
[11:56] <geser> Hi Fujitsu
[11:56] <ajmitch> morning Fujitsu, geser 
[11:56] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Why?
[11:56] <Fujitsu> bug #102843
[11:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 102843 in Ubuntu "php4 feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102843
[11:57] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: because that's what I do for a job
[11:57] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: attack ^^
[11:57] <freeflying> May I ask for UVE now, I know we are in deep freeze now, but this package will affect any others, and is very important foy chinese users
[11:57] <ajmitch> & I use php4
[11:57] <Fujitsu> ... darn.
[11:57] <ajmitch> so I can hardly argue the other way now, while our code still breaks with php5 :)
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:01] <DarkSun88> geser: Can you so kind to check this Sync? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tendra/+bug/103080
[12:01] <ubotu> Malone bug 103080 in tendra "Please sync tendra 4.1.2-16 from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:02] <geser> DarkSun88: see bug #79360
[12:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 79360 in tendra "[Sync Request]  Please, sync tendra (4.1.2-16) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79360
[12:02] <danohuiginn> Hi all. Question for you...
[12:03] <danohuiginn> qcalculate-kde installs duplicate menu items, because it puts entries in /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/applnk (bug 91357)
[12:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 91357 in qalculate-kde "[feisty herd 5]  qalculate has duplicate entries in kde menu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91357
[12:03] <danohuiginn> which should I get rid of?
[12:03] <geser> DarkSun88: tendra doesn't build in feisty (at least it didn't build than)
[12:03] <DarkSun88> geser: Mm, ok. Excuse me.
[12:04] <geser> danohuiginn: if I'm not mistaken is /usr/share/applnk the old location but you might want to double-check in #kubuntu-devel
[12:04] <danohuiginn> thanks, geser. I'll ask over there, to be sure
[12:07] <geser> DarkSun88: np