[12:23] You know...one that could provide computer use to people in relatively poor nations? [12:23] That's the mainboard and chip, nothing more. [12:24] Er, yes. [12:24] Add a CompactFlash card and power supply, and you're done. [12:24] Maybe a bit more RAM. [12:24] No storage, no monitor, no input devices. [12:24] CompactFlash is cheap - I'd use it. [12:24] OLPC provides that already. [12:24] Run in RAM. [12:24] OLPC is $150+ and not going to be done soon. [12:25] The market for this isn't developing countries, it's for specific niche uses here. [12:26] ? [12:26] Well, it does'nt have to be. [12:26] There's a group of people working on using it for a $100 Pc. === tesuki_ [n=tesuki@c-f19be455.20-0145-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsch [n=Laibsch@p3160-ipbf1007marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #xubuntu [12:30] Cheapest way to produce a monitor, what would it be? [12:30] One, or lots of them? [12:30] i think someone is working on a linux laptop with a crank handle instead of batteries for $100 [12:31] That would be OLPC. [12:31] Thinking about that 100usd pc. [12:31] they're targetting 3rd world [12:31] Although they've missed the $100 mark - it's heading more for $140 ish. [12:31] ah [12:32] (That will probably drop once they start mass producing - so far, they've only made a few thousand.) [12:32] i'm sure it will === crdlb [n=crdlb@pool-70-106-21-129.norf.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === Howdy125 [n=Howdy125@c-76-104-232-133.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:35] I would pay $140 just for the novelty of having a laptop with a crank on it. [12:35] Nope - that's estimated even for mass production. [12:35] I'll sell ya a crank for $40 [12:35] Also, you have to buy 'em by the thousand. [12:35] I'd buy one, though. [12:36] If I could buy just one. [12:36] lol [12:36] In the meantime, I've got an IBM 240x I need to patch up. === cfpvl [n=kurumin@201.20.213.42.user.ajato.com.br] has joined #xubuntu === vnchelper [n=jircii@adsl-33-204-143.lft.bellsouth.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:58] Can someone help me start a remote session to where I can see my gui? I don't have access to the machine GUI that I need... all I have is SSH access. [12:58] vnchelper: you could setup X over ssh [12:59] So I could actually see my gui through SSH? [01:00] What does that actually mean? Setting up X over ssh? [01:01] vnchelper: it lets you forward X over ssh so you can run gui applications [01:01] and actually see the interface? [01:03] yeah ... if you want full access to the desktop though it might be better to actually run vnc or an alternative [01:03] vnchelper: most of them aren't secure though [01:03] Security isn't too big of a personal issue for me.. but I don't think I can setup VNC over a remote SSH can i? [01:04] vnchelper: sure can [01:04] vnchelper: you can do anything from the command line that you can in a gui application :) [01:06] Well.. I started VNCserver before I left, and I set the pass, but when I try to connect to it, it won't let me, even though I did forward the ports [01:07] That's why I was looking for another solution [01:10] ohhh, yeah ... not entirely sure ... i only do ssh remotely [01:11] I'm trying to FTP into a server and download hundreds of files.. is that even possible through console with queuing? [01:12] vnchelper: of course ... just need the right ftp client :) [01:12] That'll run through console? That'd be awesome [01:14] vnchelper: actually ... midnight commands might be good for you ... it has a really nice cli "user interface" [01:14] commander* [01:14] I think I've heard about that.. isn't it through Norton? [01:14] vnchelper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander <---info there and http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/ <--there [01:14] vnchelper: nope, GNU [01:14] !mc [01:14] Sorry, I don't know anything about mc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:15] !info mc [01:15] mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-5 (edgy), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB [01:15] Ahhh... and it does run with FTP? [01:15] vnchelper: just do "sudo aptitude install mc" [01:15] vnchelper: yeah, i will install it really quick to help you [01:15] Okay, thanks a lot! :) === lypsis [n=lypsis@pd9e1f3be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:21] lftp would be another suggestion for a CLI FTP client. Still, mc is damn good and well worth having on your system. [01:22] yeah ... i actually think mc comes default with xubuntu, i went to install it and it was already here [01:22] lftp? ... imma go look into that, i have used ncftp in the past but its not my favorite [01:23] oh, I had to install mc onto Dapper. So it must be a new thing to have mc as default. === Qew is still on Dapper [01:24] and staying put for now ;) [01:24] ah, rgr ... i'm on feisty [01:24] it's good that it is on as default, though. Saves a few seconds and some bandwidth ;) [01:26] :) [01:27] don't quote me on that though, i might have installed it a long time ago ... this started as a dapper install and has been through 2 upgrades [01:27] ah [01:27] oh well, it's not too hard to get [01:27] but it should be default [01:27] i agree [01:27] I heard that irssi isn't default anymore, is that true? [01:28] yeah, they took it out right after dapper .... makes me sad [01:28] oh well, another wasted few seconds [01:28] agreed === psycho78 [n=brandon@host-69-59-74-169.nctv.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:36] xubuntu livecd runs very slow on my old laptop. The install process is taking forever and seems to hang. Is there a way to install without booting the live cd? [01:37] psycho78: www.xubuntu.org/get <---download and "alternate cd" that boots to a command line text mode installer [01:38] maxamillion: Ok, thanks. [01:38] np === brokenbin [n=brokenbi@bas3-toronto06-1177890141.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #xubuntu [01:46] hi [01:46] how do i create midi devices? [01:47] !midi [01:47] Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo [01:47] brokenbin: try that link [01:48] ok thanks [01:48] np === nekomancer [n=nekomanc@cpe-71-72-35-233.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:50] maxamillion: how do it enable Universe repository? [01:51] brokenbin: you can do it in synaptic, that's the eaiest way ... just open synaptic and go to Settings->Repositories and click the little check box next to the universe repo [01:51] i have to go ... getting off work [01:52] ok [01:52] applications>settigns>software sources will also get you there [01:53] yep, i got it [01:53] thanks === posingaspopular [i=eddie@adsl-69-209-76-223.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #xubuntu === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu [02:23] wow. really talkative over here... [02:24] nekomancer, talk talk jabber jabber === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu === lypsis [n=lypsis@pd9e1f3be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu === brokenbin [n=brokenbi@bas3-toronto06-1177890141.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #xubuntu [02:31] how do i let the computer start with some sound? [02:31] like a startup sound [02:32] brokenbin, you could set a startup script that makes a sound file play. [02:32] brokenbin, it's possible, im just bad at everything [02:33] ic [02:33] ty [02:33] brokenbin, do you have the mp3 file you want? [02:33] yea [02:36] try making a script. [02:37] open mousepad [02:39] brokenbin, are you there? [02:39] yep [02:39] which file? [02:41] just a blank one [02:41] we are gonna write a little script : ) [02:41] ok [02:41] have you done this before? [02:41] (writen a script) [02:41] (for the record, i belive that this is a harder way of doing it, but i am fairly sure it should work) [02:42] into mousepad type: [02:42] #!/bin/sh [02:42] yes [02:44] play [02:44] two simple lines, which *should* work [02:44] ok [02:44] esp. if it is an ogg file [02:44] save the file, and then change it so it is an exicuatable script. [02:45] sudo chmod 777 will do that [02:46] ok [02:46] hold on [02:46] let me log in and back out [02:47] then go to applications>settings>auto started applications, and add the script [02:47] k === joshritger [n=josh@72-160-246-133.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:54] can someone point me at a tutorial for installing my wifi card? [02:55] !wifi [02:55] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [02:55] thanks [02:56] np === nekomancer [n=nekomanc@cpe-71-72-35-233.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:56] well, that cheap and durty hack gets a 'works on my machine' lable [02:57] lsm [02:59] is whoever i was assiting with a startup sound earlier back in the room? [02:59] brokenbin is the one you're looking for [02:59] @nekomancer [02:59] thanks [03:00] i lost my history testing what i told him to do... nothing like just in time learning [03:01] nekomancer: yes [03:01] nekomancer: it is working [03:01] nekomancer: thanks a lot [03:02] your welcome [03:02] brokenbin, sorry it isn't the cleanest way, but methinks it is more fun === phix [n=threat@60-240-43-214.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [03:02] nekomancer: that's what's so great about linux, there's so many ways to work something out [03:03] brokenbin, that, and the fact you don't sell your soul to use it : ) [03:03] brokenbin, do you know how to use orage (the callander) to start up playlists? that was my favorite recent learning [03:03] nekomancer: yea, just learnt it [03:04] brokenbin, you have to be careful tho [03:05] nekomancer: i have my backups, don't worry [03:06] brokenbin, i didn't mean just that [03:06] brokenbin, http://xkcd.com/c196.html [03:06] brokenbin, make sure that doesn't happen to you. no matter how fun it is [03:07] alright [03:07] let me take a look first of all === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.222.82.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:09] nekomancer: lol [03:09] brokenbin, there is also alt-over text (hover the mouse pointer) [03:10] brokenbin, XKCD is one of the best webcommics out there, there are many funny ones (that one just applied to this situation) [03:10] nekomancer: interesting === aidanr [n=aidanr@83.147.134.5] has joined #xubuntu [03:16] does anyone know if a wmp54g v4.1 with the rt61 chipset wifi card is supported out of the box? [03:16] hey all [03:17] hey there [03:17] joshritger, i don't have a clue [03:17] k [03:17] joshritger, did it run in the live CD? [03:17] didn't try [03:18] joshritger, it isn't hard to find out that way... the wonders of the live cd's [03:18] wifi comes up in my network settings but i can't seem to get it to work [03:18] joshritger, somewhere there is a list of what works, but i don't know where [03:18] ok [03:18] nekomancer, hehe [03:18] joshritger, ndiswrapper isn't to hard to use either [03:19] phix, just read the xkcd? [03:19] i tried it in fedora and i got it to work once and had it fail once [03:19] LOL [03:19] phix, there are a ton of good ones in that commic area [03:19] with identical installs [03:19] nekomancer, no, brokenbin, that, and the fact you don't sell your soul to use it : ) [03:20] phix, ah. the xkcd is better (http://xkcd.com/c196.html) [03:20] ok, I am going there now [03:20] :) [03:20] phix, this one is more along the lines of the selling the soul comment tho http://xkcd.com/c225.html [03:21] lol [03:21] joshritger, i HATE fedora. [03:21] joshritger, for more or less exactly that reason. it doesn't always do the same thing! [03:21] LOL, i couldnt get ubuntu or xubuntu to install for some reason it didnt like my drive [03:22] but i finally got it [03:22] joshritger, what is the computer? [03:22] heh [03:22] amd 3000+ x64 gig crucial ram seagate sata 300 gig hard drive msi nvidia 6600 [03:23] misc other things [03:23] joshritger, ah, a 64-bit. haven't had the chance to touch that yet [03:23] my windows drive died last night [03:23] i had windows xp x64 installed on it [03:23] joshritger, how are the aps avalable for ubuntu in it? very broad spectrum or not? [03:24] not sure, i am running the 32bit version or xubuntu [03:24] i haven't run the 64bit yet [03:24] 32bit xubuntu [03:24] i dont see a need for 64bit right now, i haven't seen a performance gain yet [03:24] ah [03:25] nekomancer, I am looking at th first comics, they don't make much sense to me [03:25] i had x64 fedora core 6 and didnt see a diff from 32 bit [03:25] 64 bit can handle more than two gigs of ram [03:25] yeah, i dont have that much yet, my next rig should [03:25] phix, the first xkcd's are just random pictures from the author's notebook, which he put online while testing a (fedora, i think) server [03:26] nekomancer do you know if getting a bluetooth keyboard or mouse to work is hard? [03:26] phix, people found some of them, liked them, and demanded more. [03:26] phix, now he does full time comics. they get better further on down the line [03:27] joshritger, i don't know. my stuff is somewhat old... no bluetooth [03:27] fedora :S [03:27] k, i got it workign in fedora so hopefully i can get it to work here [03:27] LOL [03:27] joshritger, you should be able to. [03:27] i know, i prefer a ubuntu derivative, but i couldnt get one to install at first [03:28] joshritger, becaue fedora only has a really cool name. the entire system is a PAIN. Debian style linux all the way! [03:28] heh, a snapple [03:28] it is infused with tin [03:28] phix, are you reading the mouse-over text also? [03:28] there is mouse-over text? :O [03:29] LOL they dont have stuff updated as much either, like they are still running old gaim and firefox [03:30] fedora just seems... sloppy. === n-iCe [i=n-ice@189.134.130.149] has joined #xubuntu [03:30] how can i connect my wireless conection ? [03:31] fedora just seems... redhatty [03:31] LOL i am trying to figure mine out too [03:31] LOL [03:31] be back soon gotta restart [03:32] n-iCe, what is your wifi card? [03:33] smc [03:33] n-iCe, and does it respond already? [03:33] i checked with lsusb [03:33] and is there [03:33] but how to configurate it [03:33] n-iCe, what does iwconfig give you? [03:34] n-iCe, in the terminal [03:34] ok wait === joshritge1 [n=josh@72-160-246-133.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:36] back [03:36] oh lol diff screen name [03:36] LOL [03:37] n-iCe, if you want to just connect to a network, which is not wpa encrypted, i advise installing wifi-radar [ $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install wifi-radar #type in terminal] [03:38] n-iCe, iwconfig is the command for configuring it in the terminal, but i don't know how to use it myself [03:40] how can i install it if i don'0t have internet :) [03:40] let me check the iwconfig [03:41] i'm writing it [03:42] you have the net now, right? [03:42] no [03:42] do you have a aim client? or know how to send packages through xchat? [03:42] wait [03:43] (how are you in irc if you don't have the net) [03:43] just typing iwconfig i should get internet? [03:43] i'm in other pc... [03:43] i can send you the .deb for wifi radar. on a base xubuntu install all dependancies for wifi radar are there or on the CD [03:43] so you don't need the net if you have a usb drive or some such thing [03:44] wifi config gives you info about what your wireless card is doing [03:44] what type of network are you trying to connect to? [03:44] haha [03:44] http://xkcd.com/c74.html === darrend [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [03:44] wait wait [03:44] dsl [03:44] wireless [03:44] in ubuntu works and i have the correct configuration [03:44] lo no wireless extensions. [03:44] eth0 no wireless extensions. [03:44] eth1 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"Archmage" Nickname:"Archmage" [03:44] Mode:Auto Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: 00:18:39:C1:5A:A6 [03:44] Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power:25 dBm [03:44] RTS thr=2347 B Fragment thr=2346 B [03:44] Power Management:off [03:44] Link Quality:100/100 Signal level:-69 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm [03:45] Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 [03:45] Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 [03:45] sit0 no wireless extensions. [03:45] that is what my iwconfig looks like [03:45] ahaaa [03:45] mine too [03:45] something similar [03:45] so ? [03:45] so your wireless is working then? [03:45] how is the network secured? [03:45] no because i din't write key and id [03:46] nekomancer, huge paste [03:46] nekomancer, I will steal your MAC address [03:46] :P [03:46] you can't use it now :P [03:46] hehe [03:46] uh ? [03:47] (if you don't get anything other than 'no wireless extensions', your wifi doesn't work) [03:47] says the same as you [03:47] almost the same [03:47] let me see in where [03:47] in wlan0 [03:47] phix, sorry about the large paste, but it isn't like we are busy in here too much, and you can have my mac... oh, wait, you don't use the same address so it doesn't matter [03:47] encryption isnt enabled, unless you didn't run that as root [03:47] nekomancer, :) [03:48] nekomancer, I know man, I was playing with you [03:48] phix, unless you are on my network... so you are the leacher!!!! [03:48] hehe [03:48] so nekomancer? how can i write my info [03:48] to the wireless [03:49] if I was on your network we wouldn't be able to comunicate if I was using your MAC address, our arp tables will have the crazies [03:50] n-iCe: you want something like: 'sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid key ' then 'sudo dhclient wlan0' [03:50] if you do not have a wireless encrypt key, then just apps>system>network settigns and turning your wifi on should do the trick. [03:51] if you do have a key setup, do what he said :P [03:51] nekomancer: can you set the SSID there? === ormiret dives for the command line too soon :) [03:51] yes. [03:51] in network settings? [03:51] yes. [03:51] in iwconfig? [03:51] yes [03:52] :o [03:52] but my key never worked in network settings. [03:52] yeah, it was network settings I wasn't sure of. [03:52] i don't know why [03:52] then i should send: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid 2WIRE811 key 5796727545 [03:52] i blame the ndiswrapper [03:52] And that's all ? [03:53] if thta is your key. [03:53] and then the ' $ sudo dhclient wlan0' [03:53] yeeeeeah let me check [03:53] ok ok ok [03:53] let me check [03:54] phix, so what are you gonna do now? use my mac on n-iCe's wifi? [03:54] heh [03:55] why not :) pretend to be you ;0 [03:55] your using WEP ay [03:55] phix, yea. [03:55] remember to change your key after you transfer 100, 000 packets :) [03:56] phix, because the area i live in is a tiny town where people don't understand computers. [03:56] yeah :) [03:56] phix, seriously, it isn't a threat. and the two open networks i can access make it even less so... [03:56] I think my setup is a bit overkill [03:56] 256bit AES [03:57] phix, and there is a college about two blocks away that... USES MAC FILTERING. [03:57] nekomancer, lol [03:57] phix, which is easier than wep. so i may be a joke, but i'm not the big funny one :P [03:57] nekomancer, they have chickens or monkeys to manage that network? [03:57] phix, it is a m$ only shop. what do you think? [03:58] nekomancer, nah using WEP is still ok for home use, unless you live next door to an 1337 h4x0r that gets the WEP key sniffing thingy off google [03:59] phix, i think you really don't need to key them at all, at least where i am. but you are correct, wep is strong enough to keep the casual surfers away... and if someone takes the time to break wep (all 10 min) they can ues my network [04:00] :) [04:00] where do you live and what connection do you have ? :P [04:00] phix, i have to say i have used one of them programs for fun once... cracked a friend's 'uncracrable' network. she didn't believe me that wep was just like putting up a 'keep off the grass' sign [04:00] heh, BRB [04:03] nekomancer !! [04:03] Done now ? [04:03] n-iCe, yes? [04:03] n-iCe, does it work? [04:04] well is like loading maybe [04:04] i don't know i should test firefox ? [04:04] now ? [04:04] n-iCe, it probley can't hurt, so long as whatever you did it in is ready for input... [04:04] let's see [04:05] n-iCe, run iwconfig again, as root ($ sudo iwconfig) and see what happens. === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-51.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:08] doesnt0 work i got messages: [04:08] No dhcpoffers [04:09] no working leases in persitent database - sleeping [04:09] nekomancer, :) === gary [n=grcrosby@d216-232-173-250.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:10] nekomancer, so you are helping n-iCe setup a network? or are you connecting to his? [04:10] hahaha [04:10] n-iCe: check that you're wireless card can see you're network: iwlist wlan0 [04:11] phix, shhhhhhh [04:11] ok [04:11] unkown command [04:11] ormiret, i bow before your command line knowledge [04:12] :) === icicled [n=icicled@adsl-209-30-163-245.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:14] BBL [04:15] nekomancer ? [04:15] i have an idea [04:15] n-iCe, $ iwlist wlan0 scanning [04:15] where can i paste you something [04:15] i don't know irc very well. [04:15] i just lurk here when i feel the need to be helpful... [04:16] you can probley paste it here... [04:16] !pastebin [04:16] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [04:16] nekomancer faled [04:16] failed the scan [04:16] ah [04:17] thanks, ubotu [04:17] i have learned more! === Jester45 [i=Jester45@207-119-239-2.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:17] i wanna show you something [04:17] !botsnack [04:17] Yum! [04:17] use the pastebin thing [04:17] !bug 1 [04:17] For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents [04:17] Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [04:17] When i had installed ubuntu could detect my wireless i will show what shoed [04:17] showed [04:18] i love the bug 1 thing [04:18] when i typed ifconfig [04:18]