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penguin42hi12:34
penguin42I find the new grey on white harder to read than the old version of launchpad12:34
radixI hope everyone has noticed that most of the comments on http://lwn.net/Articles/228868/  are about how terrible the fonts in LP 1.0 are12:35
FujitsuJust that they're too small and grey?12:36
radixpretty much, yeah12:36
FujitsuThere are bugs filed on both of those.12:37
penguin42do you happen to know which ones?12:37
radixyes, I filed one of them12:37
radixbug #8234412:37
ubotuMalone bug 82344 in launchpad "Launchpad 1.0 dares to redefine default font size to 80% (font size is too small)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8234412:37
radix(I didn't give it the sensationalist title, some other weirdo came along recently to do that)12:38
penguin42the font size I hadn't noticed, it's the greyness that got me - grey on white sucks12:38
radixprobably if either were fixed, even independently, it would increase readability a lot.12:39
penguin42nod12:39
FujitsuI wouldn't really call slade^n a weirdo, but it's a bit of an odd title, I agree.12:40
ubotuNew bug: #103092 in malone "fiesty livecd/installer - requires noapic on asus m2n32-sli deluxe to run..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10309212:41
LaserJockmaybe I've just gotten used to it but I don't have much of a problem with the fonts12:42
LarstiQthe comments seem to be mixed with ones about the ubuntu website?12:42
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FujitsuLarstiQ: It looks that way.12:45
FujitsuLaserJock: Apart from the comment box, I too have gotten used to it.12:45
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structanyone can help about TLS errors in mail logs?01:08
structI cannot receive mail from launchpad01:08
penguin42I'm not really a mail/TLS person - but you can try me01:08
structwell I tried to register today and the mail does not get through to me01:09
structI looked at my logs and see TLS errors01:09
penguin42can you share some of the logs?01:09
structyeah I am looking the up now01:09
structconnect from adelie.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.139] 01:11
structsetting up TLS connection from adelie.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.139] 01:11
structSSL_accept:before/accept initialization01:11
structread from 080B6E38 [080C0528]  (11 bytes => -1 (0xFFFFFFFF))01:11
structSSL_accept:error in SSLv2/v3 read client hello A01:11
LarstiQstruct: better to use rafb.net/paste/ for this01:11
structok01:12
ddaalooks like 1. your are your own MTA01:14
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ddaaand 2. you are requiring others MTAs to use TLS to talk to you01:14
ddaaboth are likely pretty uncommon configurations01:15
structhttp://rafb.net/p/gA6J9s42.html01:15
structddaa: 1) yes 2) no01:15
ddaaso it might be that launchpad mail just does not support smtp/tls...01:15
structI do not require other MTAs to use tls01:15
ddaaapparently, the hello sent by adelie does not compute...01:16
ddaastruct: maybe ask on #canonical-sysadmins, they might have a better clue01:16
ddaasince the actual MTA that's talking to you is probably some relay used by launchpad01:17
structthe default in postfix is not to enforce tls01:17
structok01:17
ddaa(I talking mostly out of my ass, doing merely educated guesses)01:17
structthis is the first time I have ever seen this error before01:17
structis the above channel spelt correctly?01:18
ddaano, it's #canonical-sysadmin :)01:19
struct:)01:19
ddaaapparently they have achieved hive mind01:19
structmany as one?01:20
LarstiQstruct: it very much feels as if there is data missing in that paste?01:20
ddaa*WE ARE THE ELMO*01:20
structLarstiQ: why does it feel that way?01:20
ddaa*TICKLING IS FUTILE*01:21
penguin42struct: I guess the other possibility is that it doesn't like your SSL certs01:21
structpenguin42: could be01:21
structpenguin42: my ssl certs are self signed01:21
structbut why not fall back to non TLS communication01:21
LarstiQooh, that's commonly a problem01:21
LarstiQstruct: good question, it's just a feeling. 01:22
structLarstiQ: thats all the logs that have the same process id01:22
LarstiQstruct: ah, you stripped that out?01:22
structLarstiQ: yeah01:22
LarstiQperhaps that jars me :01:22
LarstiQ)01:22
structLarstiQ: I stripped all the hostname process ids out and just pasted the errors themselves01:22
structI was trying to submit a patch today for a package and could not register01:23
structso I would like to find out what is causing this and fix it01:23
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LarstiQbut as I'm not able to fix your problem anyhow, I'll go to bed now01:24
structok01:24
LarstiQstruct: good luck01:24
structisnt it a bit early for bed?01:24
LarstiQ01:24? Not at all01:24
structyou must be on the other side of the world01:24
structacross the vast sea01:24
LarstiQI usually am.01:24
ddaastruct: this whole notion of early/late does not apply on #launchpad01:25
structI know01:25
structI am just joking around01:25
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ddaait's on of those day when focus does not work01:26
structI know what you mean01:26
structguess I will read mako docs01:26
LaserJockddaa: haha, that borg/elmo quote is so going in my IRC funny archives ;-)01:30
ddaabe my guest01:31
ddaaoh, since I did it on company time, it's probably (c) Canonical ;)01:31
LaserJockI always new there was something bionic about him01:31
LaserJockat first I suspected he was some sort of cron-ng01:31
LaserJockbut then I met him ... at least that's what Canonical wants me to think01:32
ddaaif you saw the large, red-haired, loud-laughed guy, it's the same I know since July 2004.01:33
ddaadunno how much is biologic about him, but he's certainly consistent as far as appearances go :)01:34
FujitsuAw, he doesn't have a photo on his LP page.01:34
ubotuNew bug: #103114 in launchpad "Strange empty space on person pages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10311402:01
ubotuNew bug: #103116 in launchpad "Person application pages shouldn't be indexed if person hasn't used that app" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10311602:10
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shango37hi all! there is an admin here who can review our pot and po files (project: Freenas). thx for this and I'm really sorry for my English (I'm French)02:20
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shango37Nobody knows how can I do for asking review of my files?02:33
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mptLarstiQ, (a) many people won't be aware yet that Launchpad and Ubuntu are separate sites, and (b) they were designed by the same company (hence similar font choices)03:52
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ubotuNew bug: #103131 in launchpad-bazaar "Branch registration page should explain how to upload a branch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10313103:55
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ubotuNew bug: #103137 in malone "What then if the bug has already been reported?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10313704:40
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mptGooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!05:59
ajmitchhello mpt 06:04
LaserJockhi mpt and ajmitch 06:06
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ajmitchhey LaserJock, how's it going?06:11
LaserJockbusy busy busy :-)06:12
ajmitchas usual06:12
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ubotuNew bug: #103166 in launchpad "mugshot/branding doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10316606:26
ubotuNew bug: #102803 in malone "Tabbing to submit a bug comment is difficult" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10280306:45
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mptubotu, that wasn't a new bug07:43
crimsunprobably should read something along the lines of "Status changed to" instead of "New bug"07:45
ubotuNew bug: #102943 in rosetta "Allow displaying only strings that have no suggestions" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10294307:55
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ubotuNew bug: #103186 in rosetta "Provide better sample of products on the start page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10318608:20
mdkedanilo_: here?08:26
danilo_mdke: yeah08:26
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mdkedanilos: I sent you an email just now explaining the situation about the update-po thing08:28
mdkeif you could have a quick read and maybe try it out, I'd appreciate it08:28
danilosmdke: sure, I'll take a look08:28
mdkethanks a lot08:28
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carlosmorning08:44
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mdkemorning carlos 08:45
mdkedanilos: if you would reply by email, that would be awesome: I can't be on irc during today while at work08:45
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owhCan someone please hand me some sanity?11:01
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carlosowh: please, just ask what you need and if someone can help you we will try to or redirect you to the right place11:24
owhcarlos: I just needed to scream and have someone hand me some sanity. I was helping in #ubuntu and needed a touch of sanity. No questions. Sorry for the bandwidth.11:25
carlosowh: ok, no worries :-P11:26
mptMaybe we should sell sanity in exchange for karma11:31
owhmpt: Works for me, I've got both in spades, other than the sanity part :)11:32
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xivulonHi there12:08
xivulonWe have a small issue the wubi project hosted on launchpad12:09
xivulonIs there any admin that can help?12:09
mptxivulon, that depends what kind of problem it is12:18
mptIs it with bug tracking, or translations, or code hosting, etc12:19
xivulonHi mpt, I am on the lead programmers of Wubi and Lupin projects12:19
xivulonWhat happened is that we have not been able to contact the owner of Wubi for over a month12:19
xivulonAs such we cannot setup malone, rosetta edit the description etc12:20
mptxivulon, ok. I can't help you with that particular problem, but SteveA or kiko-zzz (when he wakes up in a couple of hours) should be able to.12:21
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kiko-zzzxivulon, please open a +ticket saying what you would like done and I'll do it when I wake up12:21
xivulonthx I'll mention it to them later on12:22
xivulonwhere do I normally open a ticket for such issues?12:22
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kiko-zzzanswers.launchpad.net/launchpad/12:26
mptThat's how hard kiko-zzz works12:28
mpthe works even when he's asleep12:28
owhkiko-zzz: How did you go with cooling :)12:28
kiko-zzzowh, pretty well, heh. it rained yesterday!12:28
owhkiko-zzz: Same here :)12:30
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xivulonkiko-zzz, here is the ticket: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/467601:07
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cprovgood morning02:01
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gmtHi guys, I was trying to import a bazaar branch converted from a svn repos, I converted it with svn2bzr but I mess it up... is it possible to restore a clean situation on the project repository? (on launchpad) I cannot delete the directories I've made through sftp02:08
salgadoddaa, can you help gmt?02:09
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ddaagmt: hello02:32
ddaadid you have coffee?02:32
ddaaWith bzr-0.15, what you can do is:02:33
ddaa1. sftp into bazaar.launchpad.net (nautilus is good, lftp if you prefer command-line)02:33
ddaaand remove the .bzr in the branch you uploaded before02:33
ddaa2. when you have the new branch you want to upload in there, you "bzr push --use-existing-dir"02:34
ddaaAlternatively02:34
ddaayou could just leave the cruft in place and "bzr push --overwrite" when you have something better to put in its place.02:34
ddaagmt: coffee is good, you should have some.02:35
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gmtddaa, eheh got a coffee as well :)02:53
gmtddaa, I created also directory tags and branches which I cannot remove02:53
gmtI'm using gftp btw02:53
gmtddaa, .brz in trunk directory is now gone02:55
gmtddaa, how can I delete branches and tags?02:56
ubotuNew bug: #103233 in launchpad "top half of you have logged out" div  is obscured" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10323302:58
ubotuNew bug: #103303 in launchpad ""Search" box is partly obscured" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10330303:01
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ubotuNew bug: #102763 in malone ""Rejected" status is a somewhat loaded word" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10276303:02
ubotuNew bug: #103207 in rosetta "English (New Zealand) (aka en-NZ) is unavailable as a language option" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10320703:03
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ubotuNew bug: #103222 in launchpad "sprints should be handled as another main pillar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10322203:16
ddaagmt: okay I'm here03:21
ddaawhat's the url of the stuff you're talking about?03:21
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welterdehmm... why doesnt that branch viewer have syntax-highlighting?03:48
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ubotuNew bug: #102956 in launchpad-bazaar "project cloud should highlight projects with user-provided series branches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10295603:57
kikoit's that time of the day03:57
kikome03:58
sinzuime03:59
kikosee? it's contagious03:59
Rinchenyawn03:59
mthaddonme03:59
barryachoo03:59
barryer, me03:59
stu1me03:59
mptAnyone who prematurely "me"s will be counted as absent03:59
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kikoaiiiii04:00
SteveAWelcome to this week's Launchpad Development meeting.  For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating launchpad development.04:00
SteveAwho's here today?04:00
stu1Does that mean I can go?04:00
bigjoolsme04:00
jtvme04:00
kikome04:00
mptme04:00
cprovme04:00
bacme04:00
allenapme04:00
statikme04:00
barryme04:00
salgadome04:00
stu1me04:00
matsubarame04:00
ddaame04:00
Rinchenme04:00
sinzuime04:00
mthaddonme04:00
flacosteme04:00
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stubme04:00
SteveAjamesh sends apologies04:00
SteveAdanilo sends apologies04:00
ddaaI have stuff from jml and thumper04:00
SteveAthanks ddaa04:00
SteveA== Agenda ==04:00
SteveA * Roll call04:00
SteveA * Agenda04:00
SteveA * Next meeting04:00
SteveA * Activity reports04:00
SteveA * Actions from last meeting04:01
SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)04:01
SteveA * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )04:01
SteveA * Bug tags04:01
SteveA * Production and staging (Stuart)04:01
SteveA * Launchpad 1.0 status reports04:01
SteveA * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )04:01
SteveA----04:01
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:01
SteveA * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)04:01
SteveA * (other items)04:01
SteveA  * Slow Code Reviews (Joey)04:01
carlosme04:01
BjornTme04:01
SteveA----04:01
SteveA * Three sentences 04:01
SteveA04:01
SteveAnext meeting: same time next week04:01
SteveAactivity reports: who's up to date?04:01
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mrevellme04:01
SteveA== People who were lax with activity reporting last week ==04:01
jtvme04:01
SteveA * carlos04:01
mthaddonup to date04:01
SteveA * cprov04:01
barryme04:01
SteveA * danilo04:01
flacosteup to date04:01
SteveA * kiko04:01
bigjoolsme04:01
BjornTup to date04:01
SteveA * mrevell04:01
SteveA * SteveA04:02
cprovup to date04:02
SteveA04:02
matsubaranot up to date.04:02
SteveAwell done mrevell for getting back up to date04:02
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ddaa<jml> not up to date. slack.04:02
ddaa<thumper> up to date (since I just put them in) up to date04:02
SteveAgood show carlos 04:02
kikoI totally slacked this week, gross04:02
bacup to date04:02
stubup to date04:02
allenapup to date04:02
carlosup to date (sent all I had noted)04:02
SteveAwell done cprov 04:02
statiknot up to date04:02
ddaaI mean, up to date04:02
salgadomissed a few days but am back on track04:02
mptup to date04:02
sinzuiup to date04:02
jtvup to date04:02
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SteveAand well done everyone who has kept up to date more than 2 weeks running04:02
bigjoolswe rock04:03
SteveA * Actions from last meeting04:03
SteveAno actions04:03
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SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)04:03
matsubaraToday's oops report is about bugs 70952, 10254504:03
ubotuMalone bug 70952 in malone "LookupError when a product adopt malone as its bugtracker and that product already have bugwatches." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7095204:03
ubotuMalone bug 102545 in launchpad "TraversalError when sourcepackage doesn't have packaging information for older distroreleases." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10254504:03
matsubaraBjornT: how about assigning 70952 to Gavin?04:04
matsubaracprov: want to comment on bug 102545?04:04
BjornTmatsubara: i think that bug might be a bit tricky to get right, i'll have to take look at it first.04:05
kikoit's tricky indeed04:05
cprovmatsubara: will do. Did you talk with ddaa ?04:05
ddaa?04:05
cprovmatsubara: the fact that the ISP.packaging is recursive concerns me a bit04:05
matsubaranot yet. that's why I'm bringing this up in the meeting. ddaa, can you take a look at it?04:06
ubotuNew bug: #102898 in rosetta "Write a plural form expression parser to validate them" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10289804:06
ddaahu... got no clue about this04:06
ddaaI just fixed the naming and some UI cruft that mentioned HCT04:07
cprovddaa: it can generate a variable number of queries until reach NotFound04:07
matsubaraso the +packaging page is more like a launchpad-bazaar issue or soyuz one?04:07
kikohmmm04:07
kikomore soyuz and registry really04:07
ddaakiko++04:08
matsubarabtw, BjornT thanks for looking at it.04:08
ddaaI never had a hand in this, I'm not sure how it's even _supposed_ to work.04:08
kikoI know how it's supposed to work I think04:08
cprovwhatever you say, assign it to me. I will fix that.04:08
matsubaracprov: sure thing. thank you04:08
matsubaraI'm done then SteveA 04:09
SteveAthank you matsubara 04:09
SteveA * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )04:09
RinchenFirst off, Congrats to carlos for fixing bug #46.04:09
ubotuMalone bug 46 in rosetta ""special symbols" when people copy-paste text from original to translation" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:09
RinchenBug #30602 - kiko - 2006-02-06 - Rosetta, Critical, in progress - Lots of OOPSes - Kiko, how are you coming with this?04:09
ubotuMalone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)04:10
RinchenBug #46982 - danilo - 2006-05-27 - Rosetta, Critical, not started - Infrastructure issues - Blocked on Firefox import. carlos/jtv do you know the status of this by chance?04:10
ubotuMalone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)04:10
RinchenBug #86171 (Private) - spiv - 2007-02-18 - Critical, in progress. spiv, do you have an update on this?04:10
ubotuBug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private04:10
RinchenBug #90384 (Private) - jamesh - 2007-03-07 - Critical, not started. No jamesh so we'll skip this one unless there are any comments.04:10
carlosRinchen: I didn't have time to resume my work on it, busy with 1.0 fixes04:10
ubotuBug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private04:10
carlosRinchen: so 46982 is still blocked04:10
Rinchenthanks04:10
RinchenBug #92484 - jml - 2007-03-15 - BZR Integration, Critical, in review and progressing well. ddaa/jml - Where are we in the code review process?04:11
ubotuMalone bug 92484 in launchpad-bazaar "Support for Branch Format 6" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92484 - Assigned to Jonathan Lange (jml)04:11
ddaa<jml> cscvs and Launchpad now work (i.e. tests pass) with bzr 0.15. The changes break compatibility with the old bzr, so some PQM hackery will need to be done. I've informed mthaddon and lifeless, so we should expect to see the upgrade soon.04:11
ddaaRinchen: IOW, I think it's all pretty much done.04:11
ddaanot quite, but pretty much04:11
kikoah nice04:11
Rinchengreat, thanks. 04:11
RinchenBug #102357, first reported on 2007-04-03, sinzui, Answers, Critical, in progress. sinzui thanks for taking this on. Any blockers?04:11
ubotuMalone bug 102357 in launchpad-answers "TypeError when requesting +tickets on an empty project" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102357 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is)04:11
RinchenBug #102382 and Bug #102449, first reported on 2007-04-03, carlos, Rosetta, Critical, not started. Carlos, when do you expect to have this coded now that you found the cause?04:11
ubotuMalone bug 102382 in rosetta "Translations are getting marked as "needing review" on each upload, preventing complete translation of Ubuntu for the release" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102382 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:11
ubotuMalone bug 102449 in rosetta "upstream translations doesn't update rosetta ones when it should" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102449 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:11
carlosRinchen: the fix in the review queue now04:12
sinzuiI just committed 10235704:12
Rinchencarlos, excellent.04:12
Rinchensinzui, excellent04:12
RinchenBug #44 - danilo - 2005-01-10 - Rosetta, High, not started - Was blocked until about 6 March. Expecting to start 1st week in April. carlos/jtv do you know the status of this by chance?04:12
carlosRinchen: Danilo started with it04:12
carloshe said the DB changes should be done today (or nearly done)04:13
mptawesome04:13
Rinchengreat04:13
RinchenSteveA: end bugs04:13
SteveAthanks Rinchen 04:13
Rinchen3 minutes vs 11 :-) 04:13
SteveA * Bug tags04:13
SteveAthere is one bug tag proposed04:13
SteveAhttps://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs04:13
SteveAexcuse the lack of table formatting and the rather odd UI skin04:13
SteveAcodebrowse for bugs related to the codebrowser04:14
SteveAI'm +1 on it04:14
SteveAany objections?04:14
SteveA604:14
SteveA504:14
SteveA404:14
SteveA304:14
SteveA204:14
SteveA104:15
mptis it usually codebrowse04:15
SteveAok, agreed04:15
mptor codebrowser?04:15
kikoyeah,  agreed04:15
SteveAthe proposal is "corebrowse"04:15
SteveAum "codebrowse"04:15
jtvmake up your mind!04:15
ddaa+104:15
SteveA * Production and staging (Stuart)04:16
mptjust checking04:16
stubRollout of the beta UI went smoothly. There was no real spike in activity which we feared.04:16
stubWe have some cherry picks scheduled, which hopefully Tom can do with the nice cheat sheet I wrote for him.04:16
stubA full rollout should be happening each Monday for the forseeable future. Usual 15 mins downtime. We will be rolling out HEAD, unlike in the past where we have been rolling out HEAD-minus-a-few-days. HEAD releases have been pretty reliable thanks to the test suite so we might as well just go for it.04:16
stubI need to know if I should be updating the supermirror code.04:16
stublaunchpad/devel is open for database updates. All the pending branches except for Tim's have landed, and Tim has been asked to land his. The database freeze will kick in again on April 13th, and we expect it to last for at least three weeks.04:16
stubbeta should be active again on April 16, running the 'onramp' branch Mark has been working on.04:16
stubstaging is being worked on by Tom. Mark has requested the db be updated, which I can do tomorrow unless Tom beats me to it.04:16
ddaastub: as I rule, I think you should be upgrading the supermirror stuff and authserver...04:17
stubUpdated PostsgreSQL packages will soon be installed on Balleny, hopefully fixing some issues people have aparently been having.04:17
kikookay04:17
stubddaa: Yes, but to what branch. 04:17
mthaddonhoping to beat you to it for staging DB updates today...04:17
kikoso if we have decided to move to regular rollouts04:17
kikoI want us to talk about public release notes04:17
ddaastub: all rocketfuel04:17
kikoin particular in how I, Rinchen and mrevell should get these done04:17
stubddaa: ok04:17
ubotuNew bug: #102862 in malone "OOPS when trying to file a bug from a product series page" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10286204:17
Rinchenstub, please let me know when the Postgres updates are applied. Thanks04:17
Kmossome can assign this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/9198804:18
Kmos*someone04:18
ubotuMalone bug 91988 in rosetta "Make suggestions from should use prefered user settings" [Medium,Confirmed]  04:18
SteveAstub: spads replied to the RT saying it was done04:18
matsubarawhat's the onramp branch?04:18
stubRinchen: it is done04:18
kikoKmos, hang on to that for 20 minutes04:18
Rinchenstub, excellent :-) 04:18
stubSteveA: So what is the onramp branch?04:18
SteveAstub: ask mark04:18
Kmoskiko: ok04:19
stubSo I think we are all clear on that then :)04:19
mptsabdfl, what's the onramp branch? :-)04:19
SteveAkiko: for this conversation04:19
SteveAare you proposing to have it in this meeting, or at some other time?04:19
RinchenSteveA, kiko - re: release notes, I'd like to talk with Steve about that in ams 04:20
kikowith SteveA?04:20
Rinchenyes although a separate meeting with us is a good idea04:21
mrevellRinchen: I'd like to be in discussions about release notes too, please.04:21
Rinchenmrevell, sure thing.04:21
SteveAthe main focus of Rinchen and me in amsterdam will be on strict 3 monthly development cycles for launchpad04:21
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SteveApart of that will be about what release notes mean in that context04:22
statikyay timeboxed releases04:22
SteveAbut I think there is a more urgent conversation to be had04:22
kikoI mean very clearly04:22
SteveAabout how we do release notes right now04:22
kikotelling our end-users what changed in this rollout04:22
SteveAfor the next 5 weeks before we starts the first development cycle04:22
RinchenI agree to all of the above.04:22
ddaagood, but hopefully we'll still have frequent head rollouts04:22
SteveAyes04:22
SteveAddaa: weekly, most weeks04:22
mrevellWhat's the status of "what's new"?04:23
SteveAno status04:23
mrevellok04:23
ddaagreat! And regular db patch windows?04:23
kikono status dot com04:23
mrevell:)04:23
SteveAddaa: something like that04:23
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SteveAso, kiko, when will this talk with you and Rinchen and mrevell be?04:23
kikonow? I'm ready04:23
SteveAnot now04:24
SteveAthis is a meeting about coordination, not discussion04:24
SteveAso, feel free to arrange the meeting04:24
SteveAfor some other time soon04:24
SteveAyou guys can arrange this on the launchpad-code channel04:25
SteveAmoving on...04:25
SteveA * Launchpad 1.0 status reports (skipping)04:25
SteveA * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )04:25
SteveA604:25
SteveA504:25
Rinchenme04:25
SteveA...04:25
SteveAplease give the RT number and a brief description04:25
Rinchenmrevell, did you get your blog installed? I'm showing 26822 still open04:25
mrevellRinchen: Nothing so far from RT04:26
Rinchenit's listed as high priority on the queue and the deadline has passed.04:26
SteveARinchen: noted.04:26
SteveAany other RT requests?04:26
SteveA504:26
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SteveAok thank you04:26
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:27
mrevellThis week's issues come from our new feedback@launchpad.net email address. We've had some more complaints about the font size in the new interface. We've also had a complaint that the drop-down menus in the top navigation are too slow to open. 04:27
mrevellI'd be interested on learning what affects the speed of the drop-down menu's opening. mpt are you the person to speak to?04:27
mrevellElliot and I will continue to monitor the new email address and pass on anything that is relevant.04:27
SteveAmrevell: I am the person to speak to04:27
mrevellShould I tell people the font size is under ongoing review?04:27
mptmrevell, no, I have no idea sorry04:27
SteveAmrevell: I need to know what country the person was connecting from04:27
mrevellSteveA: Okay, I'll speak to you after the meeting, in that case04:27
SteveAand exactly what menus they were using04:27
SteveAit may be part of the design04:27
mrevellSteveA: okay, thanks. I'll get that info04:27
SteveAto keep the breadcrumbs themselves usable04:28
SteveAor it may be an artifact of network latency04:28
SteveAwhich we also have ways to fix04:28
statikSteveA: they feel sluggish to me too, I can point out what I noticed after the meeting04:28
kikoSteveA, I see the same issue as mrevell reports04:28
mrevellright. tbh I find the drop-down menus a tad slow sometimes, too. 04:28
matsubaraSteveA: I can tell you that from Brazil it's quite slow04:28
kikoit takes a long while to pop up04:28
SteveAI need to know exactly which menus04:29
SteveAthere's a built-in delay for the top-level menus04:29
SteveAit's good to experiment with the menu under "Home"04:29
SteveAas that is not loaded over the network at all04:29
mrevellSteveA: For me, the home page drop-down menu is slow to appear, but I'll do some more thorough testing and email the list04:29
SteveAmrevell: about the font size.  we're still accepting feedback about it.04:29
SteveAmrevell: be more specifiv04:29
Kmosit has a little delay.. and i'm at 1.5 mbits (Portugal)04:29
mrevellSteveA: Excellent, I'll pass on anything I receive that is constructive04:29
SteveAthe drop down on the home page under "Home" ?04:29
SteveAthat one does not load from the network04:30
statikSteveA: top level is the one that feels sluggish to me04:30
KmosSteveA: yes.. the Home one04:30
SteveAso the delay is something we can tweak in teh code04:30
mrevellSteveA: I hover my mouse over the "Home" link04:30
Kmosthat shows.. projects, ditributuions ...04:30
SteveAbut, if we reduce it, it means the menus appear "randomly" as people mouse-over the breadcrumbs to choose where to go04:30
mrevellSteveA: and I can count to four, slowly, before it appears04:30
SteveAmoving on... (more discussion of this later)04:30
SteveA * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)04:30
mrevellBuzz report is to follow today. It's a bumper one, as you might expect. I've been tied up with post-public-beta microsite tweaks etc, but I will get it out today04:31
SteveAok04:32
SteveA  * Slow Code Reviews (Joey)04:32
RinchenI wanted to call attention to my email from yesterday about slow code reviews. In summary, lifeless and I are very interested in examining any recent or new cases.  Should you encounter what you feel is a slow review please contact lifeless or myself so we can investigate and potentially tweak the system. We're serious about taking necessary efforts to fix any problems. Thanks.04:32
kikoah, topic of the day!04:32
jtvHow slow is slow?04:32
ddaajtv: slow is "frustrating you"04:32
Rinchengreater than 48 business hours04:32
SteveAjtv: did you read the email?04:32
jtvYes04:33
SteveAok04:33
RinchenHowever if you have a perception that it's slow, even at <48 hours, we'd like to know about it.04:33
RinchenPlease. :-)04:33
RinchenThanks.04:33
SteveA * Three sentences04:34
SteveA<jamesh> DONE: code reviews, Silva bug import, bug 101907, look at database reconnection problems04:34
salgadoDONE: Shipit, random fixes, code review, coordinating/discussing the mirror prober run on the release day04:34
salgadoTODO: More shipit, code review and random fixes04:34
salgadoBLOCKED: No04:34
ubotuBug 101907 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/101907 is private04:34
ddaa<jml> DONE: make run -> supermirror, better sftp authentication04:34
ddaaerrors, bzr 0.15 porting, landed sftp test improvement.04:34
ddaa<jml> TODO: bzr bugs plugin, auto-bug-branch cleanup04:34
ddaa<jml> BLOCKED: no04:34
ddaa<thumper> DONE: landed scanner-email branch finally, much thought and design for private branches04:34
ddaa<thumper> TODO: fly to london, meet Elliot and Joey, go to the ACCU conference04:34
SteveA<jamesh> TODO: code reviews, script monitoring, db reconnection04:34
jtvTODO: Get the hang of the various frameworks we use, fix #52991, #10238104:34
ddaa<thumper> BLOCKED: no (unless agreeing on design counts)04:34
jtvDONE: #46653, #49599, #88826, some writing-standards issues in emails04:34
jtvBLOCKED: no04:34
SteveA<jamesh> BLOCKED: no 04:34
ddaaDONE: importd-oops, cscvs/feisty-compat, branch ui improvements, review cscvs-bzr-0.15 changes and AutomaticBugBranchLinks from jml04:34
matsubaraDONE: triage, oops reports, support gardening04:34
matsubaraTODO: more of the same.04:34
matsubaraBLOCKED: no04:34
SteveADONE: launchpad 1.0 stuff, management04:34
bacDONE: prepare for London sprint, submit bug attachment for review, use cases, customer issues, soyuz 04:34
sinzuiDONE: Contact Answer For report, official_answers, TypeError for empty projects OOPS04:34
ddaaTODO: land more ui improvements, importd-oops, review PrivateBranchesPhasedImplementation, lotsa other stuff.04:34
sinzuiTODO: Show unsupported questions, Show supported languages, Retarget support requests, support contact in preferred languages only, Show the support requester's username04:34
sinzuiBLOCKED: No04:34
mthaddonDONE: getting up to speed (in progress) :)04:34
bacTODO: London sprint04:34
bacBLOCKED: No04:34
SteveATODO: make dynamic menus work on konqueror04:34
mrevell* DONE: 1.0 press release, 1.0 marketing microsite04:34
mrevell* TODO: new content for marketing microsite04:34
mrevell* BLOCKED: none04:34
cprovDONE: general bug fixing, simulating feisty release in dofgood, upgrade to feisty04:34
cprovTODO: generate post-release pockets, remove warty/hoary archive04:34
cprovBLOCKED: no04:34
bigjoolsDONE: landed 43115, added 48735 for review, working on Native Source Sync with Celso, addressing trivial 102055, learning dogfood server testing04:34
bigjoolsTODO: Native source Sync, prepare for London Sprint, more bugs04:34
bigjoolsBLOCKED: n04:34
barryDONE: a little xmlrpc project planning, mm build branches and svn export, begin work on team list creation branch, 'bzr touch' plugin04:34
barryTODO: address jamesh's concerns & land mm build branches, give xmlrpc project some love04:34
barryBLOCKED: no04:34
allenapDONE: NewStaffTasks, NewLaunchpadder (some), bug-81014 (started)04:34
allenapTODO: NewLaunchpadder, bug-81014, more bugs as assigned by BjornT04:34
allenapBLOCKED: no04:34
ddaaBLOCKED: no04:34
SteveABLOCKED: no04:34
mthaddonTODO: setup new staging env with DB on asuka04:34
flacosteDONE: marketing microsite, reviews, merge pending branches04:34
flacosteTODO: write specs, marketing microsite tweaks, write doctest style guide04:34
flacosteBLOCKED: no04:34
carlosDONE: translation portlets cleanup, prepared and requested reverting of French fork in Rosetta, LanguageAdministration implementation, approved templates for Feisty, help Danilo with bug #79674, bug #8330404:34
carlosTODO: Firefox support, final review off Feisty translations to prepare final language packs.04:34
carlosBLOCKED: No.04:34
ubotuMalone bug 79674 in rosetta "List translatable upstreams on separate page, sample on front page" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79674 - Assigned to   (danilo)04:34
mthaddonBLOCKER: none04:34
ubotuMalone bug 83304 in rosetta "Structural object heading for translation page should be the product/package" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83304 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)04:34
mptDONE: 1.0 polish, contract, DesignChecklist, 1.0-related bug reports04:34
mptTODO: Easter, code review, help panel, bug page, template cleanup04:34
mptBLOCKED: not enough hours in the day04:34
RinchenDONE: Monthly Report04:34
RinchenTODO: Will be in London next week and Amsterdam the week after.04:34
RinchenBLOCKED: None04:34
statikDONE: got soyuz training, lots of customer interaction and04:34
statikTODO: sprint in london, land some trivial db cleanup04:34
statikBlocked: no04:34
kikoDONE: 1.0 coordination04:34
kikoTODO: get my remaining branches off the ground: rosetta performance, and mantis bugs04:34
kikoBLOCKED: no, but it will be a short week for me04:34
stubTODO: TeamMembership fixes, OpenID04:34
stubDONE: Production shite04:34
stubBLOCKED: No04:34
BjornTDONE: code reviews. a few things for 1.0 public beta. made it possible for apport to file bugs with tags. tried upgrade to feisty.04:35
BjornTTODO: recover from feisty upgrade. work on closing bugs via changelogs.  code reviews.04:35
Rinchenstub, are the TeamMembership fixes due to the recent code drop in that area?04:35
BjornTBLOCKED: kind of blocked on computer not booting on feisty04:35
SteveABjornT: are you receiving help from the kernel team on that?04:35
stubRinchen: I know of no recent code drop in that area04:35
salgadoRinchen, what code drop?04:35
salgadostub, is it the teams-are-members-of-themselves fix?04:35
BjornTSteveA: yes, we are currently debugging what's wrong on #kernel04:35
SteveARinchen: what does "code drop" mean?04:35
RinchenI saw a PQM item for teammembership a week ago04:35
Rinchens/code drop/recently landed code04:36
stubsalgado: Yer - you seemed to have punted it back to me. I haven't looked at the current status of it.04:36
salgadostub, I can try to land it today, if you want04:37
salgadostub, but what are the team membership fixes you talked about, then?04:37
Rinchenstub, salgado specifically the change salgado did 04:37
stubsalgado: If it is done, sure. Do we need tests?04:37
Rinchenrf 399004:37
kikostub, sabdfl's asking me about that, can we get it done04:38
stubkiko: (21:37:07) salgado: stub, I can try to land it today, if you want04:38
kikoI saw that, just reinforcing04:39
SteveAok, we all done?04:39
stubkiko: Ideally this would be in the bug report, but of course there is not one.04:39
SteveAMEETING ENDS04:39
SteveAthank you everyone04:39
kikostub, there is a bug report.04:41
kikowhat are you talking about?04:41
kikothanks SteveA 04:41
stubkiko: Where? All I got was an email from sabdfl04:41
ddaakiko: can you do the renaming asked in https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+ticket/4680 ?04:42
ddaahttps://launchpad.net/gnomescan04:42
ddaastub: sometime early next week, bzr-0.15 and accompanying changes to cscvs and maybe launchpad should land on rocketfuel.04:45
ddaastub: although you should rollout the supermirror scripts every time, they should be rolled out even more this time :)04:45
stubok. Which are the code locations again? bzrsyncd@gandwana and supermirror@vostok?04:47
kikostub, salgado knows the number.04:47
salgadowhich number?04:48
stubThe number of the bug I don't believe exists on the teamparticipation issue you are landing today04:49
salgadois it bug 30789?04:49
ubotuMalone bug 30789 in launchpad "teams should be members of themselves" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3078904:49
stubOoh... old one.04:49
KmosSteveA: update topic with next meetingh :)04:50
Kmos*meeting04:50
ddaastub: oh, that's what you meant...04:50
ddaabzrsyncd@gandwana /srv/bzrsyncd04:51
ddaasupermirror@vostok /srv/sm-ng04:51
ddaastub: and wherever you run the authserver, although I do think there is any authserver change in the pipe ATM04:52
ddaabut if it's possible to have rolled out along with the rest, it would avoid annoying breakage like on Monday.04:53
kikohack it on dudes05:02
kikoSteveA, Rinchen: I plan on getting my mantis branch polished for landing today.05:02
kikodo any of you want me for anything else?05:02
Rinchenkiko, a raise? ;-)  Just that branch out please05:03
Rinchenand a chat later with mrevell 05:04
kikoRinchen, you want to take stewardship of this week's commits for monday's reports? If you produce a rough report I can clean it up and mail it out on monday05:04
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kikoRinchen, that way you really and honestly will "help me"05:07
kikohey Hobbsee 05:07
kikoI think i'm going to go get my stitches removed05:07
Hobbseehiya kiko :)05:07
kikoI'm tired of them05:07
kikoand it's already been 11 days05:07
kikomy email problem.. snif05:08
\shhmm...where do i enter a bugnumber on LP? 05:21
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Kmosdoko: bug NUMBER here on the channel05:22
Kmosups05:22
Kmos\sh: do bug NUMBER here on the channel05:22
\shKmos: na...in the old layout there was a "jump to bug #" input field...and I don't find it anymore ;) right, I could use konquis lpbug:<bug no>05:23
spiv\sh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/, put the number in the search field.05:23
matsubara\sh: I have a firefox search plugin for malone. if you want it, privmsg me and i'll mail it to you.05:24
Kmoshttp://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=launchpad&sherlock=yes&opensearch=yes&submitform=Search05:25
\shmatsubara: I have a shortcut for konqi (kde) that's enough :) but I was wondering where this "features" was gone ;)05:25
Kmos:)05:25
\shspiv: this should be documented ;)05:26
matsubaraKmos: cool!05:28
statikthe mugshot for the launchpad project looks terrible scaled05:28
statikhttps://launchpad.net/launchpad05:29
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statikaha, it's bug 9065105:31
ubotuMalone bug 90651 in launchpad "Need mugshot images for product, project, distribution, sprint, team" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90651 - Assigned to Victor Zambrano (victor-choosebrilliant)05:31
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salgadostatik, not really05:32
salgadoin the case of the launchpad project, the problem is that the mugshot was uploaded some time ago, when small images were accepted05:33
spiv\sh: file a bug05:33
salgadonow, the template expects the mugshots to be 192x192px and thus scale the old one05:33
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statiksalgado: yes, that bug is about getting the 192x images05:35
Kmosmatsubara: i've done it myself :) the opensearch one05:35
salgadostatik, but that bug is only about getting the default mugshot images. 05:36
statiksalgado: aha, I understand now. I thought it was a bug against the launchpad specific image05:36
matsubaraKmos: yeah, I noticed. It's pretty cool. Mine works a bit different, though.05:37
statikBjornT: is 51215 scheduled to be fixed anytime soon? (I'm responding to user question about this functionality)05:37
statikbug 5121505:38
ubotuMalone bug 51215 in malone "Add an "Other" bug tracker type" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51215 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)05:38
Kmosmatsubara: i must follow the mycroft rules.. some weeks ago, i've done one for PHP.net to be compatible with firefox 2.x and ie705:39
\shspiv: doing so when I'm in my train back home...happy easter to you all :)05:39
Kmosmatsubara: http://pt.php.net/phpnetimprovedsearch.src -> check view source05:40
ubotuNew bug: #103347 in soyuz "Published binaries don't appear on DRBP/+index until cache is updated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10334705:40
BjornTstatik: it should be fixed within a few months, at least, it's not on my immediate todo.05:43
statikBjornT: thanks05:43
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ubotuNew bug: #103352 in launchpad "Launchpad project needs 192x192px rocket for branding, the current scaling looks terrible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10335205:55
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ubotuNew bug: #103364 in malone "Global filebug form crashes if you first choose a distribution and later a project." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10336406:41
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_JohnyGuys. where can I try to set a local language team?06:43
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ddaaLarstiQ: you might want to know that importd crashed earlier this afternoon06:45
ddaaso the blender (and drupal) import is going to be lagging a bit until I finished restoring it06:46
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sabdflBjornT, statik: would an "other" bugtracker type still follow basic rules, like needing a unique id for the bug in that tracker? just not update statuses from it?06:46
ddaaI took the opportunity to make a clean rollout of the importd code.06:46
carlos_Johny: for Ubuntu?06:46
sabdflor would we require just a url to the bug in that tracker?06:46
statiksabdfl: I'm getting requests from projects that just want a URL to their upstream bug tracker to be published on the +filebug page06:47
sabdflstatik: ok, that makes sense, we need to figure out how we handle watches on those06:47
_Johnycarlos: Yes06:48
carlos_Johny: please, read https://help.launchpad.net/RosettaFAQ#head-b356f13978780b88ed4844602554339ac2c3377406:48
_Johnycarlos: thanks06:49
carlosyou are welcome06:49
ubotuNew bug: #103370 in malone "Support RubyForge as external bug tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10337006:51
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foolsmdke: launchpad looks gorgeous! (Lloyd Budd here)07:00
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ubotuNew bug: #103376 in launchpad "Contact details should show wikis and not wikinames" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10337607:05
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LarstiQddaa: what made it crash?07:24
ddaacrappiness07:24
ddaamemory leaks in our bitrotten buildbot07:24
ddaabut it usually takes a few months before it reaches the collapsing point07:27
ddaahopefully, next time it happens, there will be good progress at writing a replacement07:27
ddaaLarstiQ: btw, service has been restored 30 mins ago07:29
LarstiQhuu07:31
LarstiQhow did you make buildbot rot?07:31
LarstiQddaa: thanks for the speedy service07:31
ddaaforked buildbot eons ago07:31
ddaaI think it last merged upstream at some point in 200507:32
ddaaand we've been intending to replace it ever since07:32
ddaabut a few things got in the way07:32
ddaalike... switching to bzr, and bring the current launchpad bzr service to its current state...07:33
ddaacould rant about this for a long time, but it would be boring and not a good use of company time :)07:34
ddaajust let it be said that the situation is getting better, and I hope to work on this in the next few months.07:36
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LaserJockcprov: will you be at UDS?08:10
cprovLaserJock: yes, I will08:11
LaserJockcprov: maybe I should register a "MOTU & Launchpad" spec?08:17
cprovLaserJock: sure, I should discuss this topic.08:20
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ubotuNew bug: #103409 in malone "Update terminology on global filebug form" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10340908:36
carlosEnjoy your long weekend!!08:45
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ubotuNew bug: #103434 in launchpad "Validators for ftp and rsync urls are broken in mirror +edit form" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10343409:45
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maixhi10:26
maixif i translate something in launchpad, shall i replace links to the ubuntu.com wiki by links to the (german) ubuntuusers.de wiki?10:26
LaserJockif there is an equivalent page10:27
maixit is.10:27
maixok.10:27
LaserJockmaix: I think it's covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation10:28
maixcannot find anything about this there10:30
maixi'll ask in #ubuntu-translators10:30
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ubotuNew bug: #103475 in malone "Feisty: Kontact crashed when closing Konqueror (usb drive) (Backtrace attached)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10347511:40
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mdkefools: nothing to do with me, but appreciated no doubt12:00
foolsyou no longer do any wrangling with launch?12:04
mdkefools: I've never been involved in development of launchpad; i'm not a coder at all. Maybe you have someone else in mind12:05
foolsha, you are right, i was thinking of mpt12:06
gnomefreakkiko is one of the devels of LP isnt he?12:07
mdkefools: ah, fair enough.12:07
foolsanyway, it is great!12:07
Kmosgnomefreak: yes12:10
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