[12:24] <penguin42> changing *to* bash shouldn't be a problem - check it is shown as /bin/bash in the passwd file
[12:24] <ghostdog> do I need to hard link a lib file?
[12:25] <blackest> hmm on the remote system ?
[12:25] <penguin42> nod
[12:25] <penguin42> you changed the shell on the remote system I assume?
[12:25] <blackest> yes i had a script that failed with dash changing to bash let it work
[12:26] <penguin42> ok, so the thing I'd check is that whatever your shell shows as in the password file is in /etc/shells
[12:28] <blackest> it lists a few /bin/dash and /bin/bash are amongst them
[12:29] <penguin42> ok, so if /bin/bash is there then I don't think the change of shells is an issue, unless you have a very weird sshd setup
[12:29] <klam> need these gone    2 dell xps m1710 350 for one 500 for 2, 1 apple macbook black for 600 MSN Solutions1981@hotmail.com or aim: solutions1981
[12:29] <penguin42> please no ads
[12:30] <blackest> how about i clear the passwords file on the local machine do it as if it was the first time again
[12:30] <penguin42> blackest: Well I wouldn't do anything too heavy to the password file - do you have any weird characters in your password?
[12:31] <blackest> no
[12:31] <penguin42> try an ssh -v   or see if there is anything in the auth logs on the remote machine
[12:32] <penguin42> blackest: How did you change your shell - using chsh?
[12:34] <rickcr> ok this is driving me nuts, been googling and not having much luck. I installed ubuntu feisty here at work. We have a ton of printers on the windows network. I want to connect to one that on windows is located on the network as //nmrflsip2\PRN0352 ... I can ping nmrflisp and get the ip. When i try to go to new printer and windows network, i'm getting a prompt every couple of seconds for a username/password for something it's finding on the ne
[12:34] <rickcr> twork
[12:35] <rickcr> is there something i can do to just say "go to this printer directly"
[12:35] <blackest> sudo rm /bin/sh sudo ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh
[12:37] <blackest> penguin42 I don't know how or where auth logs are
[12:38] <penguin42>  /var/log
[12:41] <blackest> hmm it says shell bash does not exist
[12:42] <penguin42> are you sure your passwd file says /bin/bash
[12:43] <penguin42> blackest: What does    finger   bah    where bah is your username say the shell is ?
[12:44] <blackest> right well on the local pc its bin/bash but remotely it says bash
[12:45] <h-bomb> so hows feisty beta working out for yall
[12:45] <skarface> well static ip appears to have just broken on my other machine
[12:45] <skarface> the system won't boot unless I get rid of /etc/network/interfaces
[12:47] <ukubuntu> Hi all. here's another MS Lawsuit Microsoft sued over Vista specs http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2187159/microsoft-sued-vista-specs
[12:48] <blackest> penguin42 how do i fix it to be /bin/bash instead of bash? i assume that is the issue
[12:48] <penguin42> blackest: How did you change the shell last time?
[12:49] <chijin> i don't understand where the damage comes in, the law suit is asking for millions
[12:50] <chijin> so i can't run vista.. argh my system is damaged!
[12:50] <blackest> sudo rm /bin/sh sudo ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh
[12:50] <penguin42> blackest: Yeesh - you shouldn't do that
[12:50] <penguin42> blackest: But also, I think you did something else as well - maybe edited /etc/passwd or used chsh ?
[12:52] <blackest> sudo chsh -s bash john
[12:52] <blackest> got to love the terminal history
[12:53] <blackest> should it be sudo chsh -s /bin/bash john
[12:54] <penguin42> yes
[12:55] <blackest> bingo ssh works again :) thank you
[12:56] <blackest> how about the yeesh bit thats where i think i just gave bash an alias ?
[12:57] <penguin42> I don't think changing the symlink on /bin/sh is pretty
[12:57] <penguin42> although I'm not really sure how dash does it - I think it's an override
[12:58] <vittico> hi guys!
[12:59] <vittico> OpenOffice 2.2 seems to crash when signing documents
[12:59] <blackest> so if any script expects dash they will get bash instead so may not work
[12:59] <vittico> any idea of what could go wrong?
[01:02] <penguin42> blackest: It's the type of thing you can be sure that some upgrade at some point will flip back
[01:06] <blackest> i dont think i like dash bash seems easier
[01:07] <somian> So long all, I think I'm out of here for good.
[01:08] <lix> Hi. I used to do tunneling with vpnc in dapper drake. In feisty fawn there is networkmanager-vpnc and networkmanager-openvpn. What should I use that works better? any suggestions?
[01:09] <penguin42> lix: I think vpnc is specifically for connecting to stuff at the other end is a Cisco
[01:09] <moonwatcher> hello
[01:09] <moonwatcher> i have a "linux" question
[01:09] <moonwatcher> i think an easy one
[01:10] <moonwatcher> if i start a process via ssh
[01:10] <moonwatcher> can i have it running running after i close the ssh console?
[01:10] <moonwatcher> like initiazting an ftp download
[01:10] <lix> penguin42: Yes. The node I am using is a cisco vpn. But shouldn't networkmanager-openvpn work as well?
[01:10] <penguin42> moonwatcher: Yes - look at 'nohup' and also 'screen'
[01:10] <penguin42> lix: Only if the Cisco can do openvpn protocols
[01:11] <penguin42> which I doubt
[01:11] <lix> networkmanager-vpnc & networkmanager-openvpn are both GPL. but openvpn seems to be documentated better
[01:12] <penguin42> lix: Openvpn does it's own protocol - it's great if you are setting up your own VPN, but I don't think it's designed to talk to existing ones
[01:12] <lix> penguin42: I see. So I should maybe try both and publish the results on my blog as a "personal experience" :)
[01:12] <penguin42> lix: Well yes you could - but if the Cisco is at the other end I think you need to use a cisco compatible client
[01:12] <lix> penguin42: So openvpnc would work with openswan etc. and such stuff?
[01:13] <lix> penguin42: K. cool thanks
[01:13] <penguin42> lix: I don't know, I've not used it
[01:13] <penguin42> sorry....
[01:13] <penguin42> openvpn works with openvpn at the other end - not openswan
[01:13] <lix> penguin42: np. thanks for your help
[01:16] <blackest> penguin42 thankyou for your help
[01:17] <penguin42> blackest: No problem
[01:23] <lix> penguin42: network-manager-vpnc just worked right now. but you're right: I just read in the openvpn mailing list that openvpn it won't work with cisco. Thanks again :) (BTW: Feisty rulez!)
[01:26] <downfallat111> what are the major improvements for feisty?
[01:28] <SuperTeece> it's quiet... to quiet
[01:31] <slackern> quiet is good, maybe not so many having problems then :)
[01:31] <SuperTeece> true true
[01:32] <SuperTeece> or going into frustration spasms
[01:32] <slackern> Just sitting here pondering if i should wait with switching my friends father in law 6.10 install to a 7.04 tomorrow
[01:33] <SuperTeece> unless he is having issues with edgy that feisty would fix, I would wait until gold
[01:33] <slackern> Installed it 3 weeks ago since he's one of those that always get viruses/spyware and all he uses his computer for is just a few IM messages and browsing auctionsites
[01:34] <raptor2552> hplip app not starting in feisty; anyone
[01:34] <slackern> 7.04 feels a little faster on my machine and his computer is an old p3 500mhz with 512mb ram, thinking of giving him xfce instead but that might be to tricky for him
[01:34] <SuperTeece> I'm in the process of converting my wife, no easy task, 3 years in the making
[01:34] <SuperTeece> hplip ehh? let me do a quick look around
[01:35] <slackern> Problem with his computer was the motherboard from start so i installed ubuntu just to try to pinpoint the problem and now when it's replaced he wanted to stay with ubuntu instead of winxp
[01:36] <SuperTeece> good for him!!
[01:37] <po9> hello, how you make feisty mount drives on boot at a specific location.
[01:37] <po9> the /etc/fstab is confusing, and I assume that their is a gui or something
[01:37] <SuperTeece> I'm trying to use the price of vista as a selling point for linux to my wife
[01:37] <slackern> aye i hope he will stick with it, tired of fixing his computer every week
[01:37] <SuperTeece> raptor, I am not using hplip so I'm not sure about your issue, sorry
[01:38] <slackern> only thing he lacks is a banking application that only seems to run in windows, but there are 2 other winxp machines there that he can use for it
[01:38] <SuperTeece> po9 I should be able to help with that
[01:38] <raptor2552> is there another way to share printers
[01:38] <SuperTeece> what kind of device is it?
[01:38] <po9> sata device
[01:38] <raptor2552> hp 7110
[01:38] <SuperTeece> raptor, that is something I was planning on doing this weekend with my windows box, sorry I have't done the research yet
[01:39] <aoirthoir> sup
[01:39] <Parisi> hello
[01:39] <raptor2552> well this is beta not a big deal thanx
[01:39] <po9> superteece: I have tried right  click on the device and changing the mount point, but it complained about having a / in its name
[01:40] <SuperTeece> po9 what mount point were you trying to use?
[01:40] <po9> /home/user/big
[01:40] <raptor2552> hplip service is running but the app wont start
[01:41] <Parisi> Hello.
[01:41] <SuperTeece> do you have a /dev/sda# entry in fstab?
[01:41] <Parisi> Took me awhile to get wireless properly working on Feisty, but here i am.
[01:41] <po9> yes I do, but for other drives
[01:41] <SuperTeece> what filesystem is on the sata?
[01:41] <po9> ext3
[01:42] <SuperTeece> ok so this should work:
[01:43] <SuperTeece> /dev/sda#                 /home/user/big                   ext3               user,auto            0          0
[01:43] <SuperTeece> use tabs to space it out
[01:43] <po9> why not a UUID?
[01:44] <SuperTeece> and the /home/user/big directory is created right?
[01:44] <po9> here is what one of the lines in the fstab looks like UUID=924b0e1a-e06a-4617-ad0b-104e9a8b9177 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:44] <po9> I assumed that it would have the UUID format and not the /dev/sd%%
[01:44] <SuperTeece> I've never manually typed in a UUID
[01:44] <SuperTeece> though I've never had to manually mount a sata either
[01:45] <SuperTeece> that's a little more advanced than my little world, lol
[01:45] <po9> what is the difference, and why the move to a UUID?
[01:45] <bur[n] er> anyone know if gparted is going to be on the Feisty LiveCD?
[01:45] <SuperTeece> honestly I don't know
[01:46] <po9> I assume that HAL and DBUS use UUID
[01:46] <SuperTeece> possibly
[01:46] <michaelfavia> any word on a solution to get proper nvidia 96xx support back?
[01:46] <michaelfavia> the pkg is long since purged from my repo
[01:46] <michaelfavia> cache
[01:46] <michaelfavia> so im stuck in nv land..
[01:46] <SuperTeece> its a magical plac
[01:46] <SuperTeece> e
[01:47] <SuperTeece> dinners ready I'm off, good luck po9
[01:48] <po9> thanks for the help
[01:48] <michaelfavia> does anyoe have the old nvidia-glx package they could email it to me?
[01:52] <macogw> is anyone else's boot hanging at "configuring network interfaces" since this morning's update?
[01:52] <cliebow> Parisi, prism card?
[01:54] <DanaG> That's odd...
[01:55] <Parisi> cliebow, Netgear wg311t, Atheros chipset
[01:55] <DanaG> Firefox stopped responding for a while, so Beryl greyed it, yet now that it is responding again, it's still grey.
[02:07] <misfit_toy> cliebow, don't tell me prism is going to be broken as I am updating right now!
[02:13] <cliebow> misfit_toy, errr  priism is broken..i blacklisted hostap and  used  orinioco_pci..it is dicey..
[02:14] <cliebow> there is an ubuntu piece where someon e modprobe -r prism2-pci modprobe -r hostap modprobe -r orinioco modprobe orinoco..i had it working until reboot
[02:14] <macogw> i should be able to run xfce applications in gnome, right?
[02:15] <macogw> cliebow: that's what i have to do with my sky2 driver for my wired connection
[02:15] <macogw> i think i'm one of the few people to never have a problem with wireless on linux, but have a terrible wired connection
[02:15] <cliebow> yecch
[02:16] <macogw> usually people complain they have no wireless and dont want to sit there wired
[02:16] <Parisi> Well, i have none.
[02:16] <Parisi> : )
[02:16] <misfit_toy> cliebow, is it only going to break on reboot or as soon as this update finishes?
[02:16] <cliebow> i can whine about broadcom if you like
[02:16] <Parisi> At least not 100%
[02:17] <cliebow> not too sure..but i think it may be broken
[02:17] <Parisi> I think i am going to stick with Vista for a little while, 7.04 is a little too unstable.
[02:17] <macogw> cliebow: i set up broadcom wifi on my mom's desktop without much problem at all.  once i stopped using ndiswrapper's gui at least.  there's a script on a howto on the forums with really easy instructions
[02:17] <macogw> Parisi: now that's weird
[02:17] <macogw> you can run vista?
[02:18] <Parisi> macd, Well, i cant complain much, its still on beta stages.
[02:18] <macogw> without it going "zomg!!!!!"
[02:18] <cliebow> macogw, that on a macintosh? wireless?
[02:18] <macogw> cliebow: no i'm on a gateway
[02:18] <macogw> i dont like macs.  mice need have 2 (or more!) buttons!!!
[02:18] <Parisi> and 6.10 is even worse, it wont even detect my sound or network card properly.
[02:18] <macogw> wow
[02:19] <cliebow> broadcom on an ibook seems dicey..with fwcutter it will work for a it then die\
[02:19] <Parisi> macd, You can use any PC USB mouse.
[02:19] <cliebow> Parisi..is that some Martian brand?
[02:19] <macogw> yeah but that's a bit ungainly sitting with a laptop in a lecture hall
[02:19] <Parisi> macd, Thats true, i still like OSX tho.
[02:19] <macogw> cliebow: oh wait the broadcom's on a desktop my brother built...my laptop with the no-work-needed wireless is a gateway
[02:19] <Parisi> Just not apple hardware.
[02:19] <cliebow> maco:f12 is actually pretty sweet
[02:20] <macogw> oh i dont like osx cuz i can't find anything and you end up with the menus for one app over a different one and if you're working in a window in the bottom right you have to go all the way to the top left to get to a menu....i like my menus attached
[02:20] <cliebow> if i hadnt had thrust up my rearend id be happier with macintosh
[02:21] <macogw> cliebow: f12?
[02:21] <cliebow> the hardware is very rugged
[02:21] <cliebow> f12 gives you a right click
[02:21] <macogw> ooo so does ctrl click and click and hold for 5 seconds or so
[02:21] <cliebow> double click is not so easy 9!)
[02:22] <cliebow> i do use a usb mouse sometimes
[02:22] <macogw> never knew f12 though....didnt use shortcut keys back when i used apple ] ['s and what i assume was os 9
[02:22] <macogw> not on the same computers...
[02:22] <johnnybuoy> f11 also works...
[02:22] <cliebow> works well fgor certain stuff
[02:22] <cliebow> f11..ohh?
[02:22] <johnnybuoy> middle click?
[02:23] <cliebow> wow ..learn something every day
[02:23] <macogw> the science center has always had macs, so my little internet addicted self needed to learn to find safari and to click and hold on os-something-newer-than-apple-] [-but-older-than-osx
[02:24] <johnnybuoy> this on-button mouse is somewhat retarded, I think
[02:24] <johnnybuoy> one
[02:24] <cliebow> i seem to be the defacto ppc maintainer for ltsp
[02:24] <macogw> i would really like a mouseless computer
[02:24] <macogw> but i think thatd be all terminal :p
[02:24] <johnnybuoy> heh
[02:25] <cliebow> a little headset wher you could wiggle your ears instead of a mouse
[02:25] <macogw> i always thought the black/green screens the people my dad worked with to input ticket orders where you had to give it different commands at hte bottom and the top would change were really really neat
[02:25] <macogw> cliebow: like the wiihelm?
[02:25] <cliebow> ? dont know it
[02:25] <macogw> cliebow: it was thinkgeek's april fools joke
[02:25] <macogw> one of them at least
[02:26] <cliebow> Cool
[02:26] <macogw> you put a wiimote in the top and then instead of moving your arm left, just shake your head left
[02:26] <macogw> cliebow: did you type /me cliebow googles?
[02:26] <cliebow> i think so
[02:27] <macogw> hahaha
[02:27] <cliebow> always an adventure when i type
[02:27] <macogw> hey i'm trying to use orage.  its a calendar for xfce but it won't run.  i'm using gnome, but that shouldn't create issues, right?
[02:28] <macogw> ok it *runs* but it never pops up...just fails
[02:29] <vikingr> hey.. i use feisty and after todays update (just some minutes ago), my external hd cannot be mounted anymore. the hd is encrypted with cryptsetup/luks. when i try to mount it manually, i get the message "unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'" - the modules aes, sha256, dm_mod and dm_crypt are loaded
[02:33] <johnnybuoy> you encrypt your fs but you don't even use tor to connect to irc?
[02:33] <johnnybuoy> ;)
[02:34] <vikingr> right :P
[02:35] <taggie> Does anybody know if NetworkManager will be upgraded to .7 at some point in feisty? It looks like I need .7 in order to configure LEAP settings.
[02:35] <taggie> Or, I'll rephrase and ask if anybody knows where to read up on connecting to leap networks with feisty.
[02:39] <nerdygirl_ellie> Good Evening all
[02:40] <nerdygirl_ellie> I am running the 7.04 Beta.  Today's updates are causing something? to crash when I try to login and it kicks me back to the login screen.  I apt-get remove'd compiz, since I saw it had a lot of updates today, but still no joy.
[02:40] <nerdygirl_ellie> I would appreciate any help.
[02:43] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi!
[02:44] <funkychunk> hello my problem with ubuntu my friends is that i cannot play videos more than one at a time, so if i play beryl and a video the video doesnt work and if i try to load up two videos they dont work i dont know what is wrong please send help
[02:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi.  are you on the 7.04 beta?
[02:45] <dogmatism> funkychunk,  does that only happen when beryl is enabled?
[02:46] <funkychunk> yes i believe so
[02:46] <funkychunk> when i load beryl then play a video the screen is black, bu tsound works
[02:46] <funkychunk> i tried loading up several video players but its all the same
[02:46] <Skrot-> Hi, does the Restricted Driver-thingy manage nVidia-cards as well as wifi?
[02:48] <nerdygirl_ellie> Follow up question to Skrot's question.  I've been using the NVIDIA drivers from NVIDIA.  Aside from easier updates, any advantage to switching to the restricted drivers package?
[02:51] <ShackJack> nerdygirl_ellie - just that they're auto-updated :) Mine work great on my 7800GS
[02:51] <macogw> funkychunk: when i use beryl and try to play a video the video is solid blue
[02:51] <macogw> you have to turn off beryl
[02:52] <funkychunk> :(
[02:53] <UbuntuNewbie> Hello
[02:54] <UbuntuNewbie> Anybody having problems with the Feisty installer changing the keyboard to kb105 mid-install?
[02:56] <PyroMessiah> Hi, where can I find the art manager in feisty?
[02:57] <ShackJack> macogw - isn't there some video overlay option in xorg - "VideoOverlay" "on" that might help with that?
[02:57] <ShackJack> PyroMessia - art manager?
[02:57] <PyroMessiah> Well I'm trying to change the splash screen and the directions I have say to use the "art manager"
[02:59] <ShackJack> By splash screen do you mean the login screen or the ubuntu logo that shows while it's booting up?
[03:00] <PyroMessiah> the little screen that shows up after you log in
[03:00] <dogmatism> PyroMessiah, I think you have to install the gnome-art package to get that
[03:00] <PyroMessiah> I can find that in synaptic?
[03:01] <dogmatism> Yes
[03:01] <PyroMessiah> Thank you very much for your help
[03:01] <dogmatism> You're welcome
[03:02] <ShackJack> dogmatism - I think that used to be in Dapper by default - I remember having to turn if off :)
[03:03] <dogmatism> Yeah, I think it was too.
[03:05] <UbuntuNewbie> I think I may be running up against bug #40627, where kbd-chooser in the installer is changing my keyboard from kb104 to kb105, which bricks my keyboard.  Anybody seen this?
[03:05] <ubotu> Malone bug 40627 in ubiquity "wrong keyboard layout after install" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40627
[03:05] <macogw> ShackJack: composite overlay window?
[03:05] <macogw> ShackJack: composite overlay window?
[03:06] <ShackJack> macogw - eh?
[03:06] <ShackJack> macogw - what card you using ATI or nvidia
[03:06] <zak> KDE's configuration of gtk themes seems to be borked in feisty... well i'm getting the standard square win95-ish theme... i installed some other engines/themes, but i can't set them - what's the best way around this? [i think i can edit some config files and set the theme right?] 
[03:06] <macogw> ShackJack: intel
[03:07] <UbuntuNewbie> The grind is that this is happening during install.  The keyboard is working fine right now (Live CD), but when I hit the keyboard selection screen in the wizard, I'm dead.  The fix is to drop back to terminal and fix the keyboard setting in xorg.conf back to kb104
[03:07] <UbuntuNewbie> But with the installer bricking my keyboard, I can't complete the install.
[03:09] <ShackJack> Dunno if intel has same option but in xorg (fglrx)-          Option "VideoOverlay" "on" under Device
[03:09] <ShackJack> macogw ^^
[03:10] <UbuntuNewbie> If I save a good copy of my xorg.conf file just prior to starting the install, can I swap xorg.conf files after the keyboard select screen?  Will x-server even know I altered my xorg.conf post initialization?
[03:12] <macogw> ShackJack: well i did what the beryl wiki says, though you may want to add that to fglrx part of the wiki and i'll see if it works with intel/aiglx
[03:13] <macogw> does anyone in here have Sunbird installed?
[03:13] <ShackJack> macogw - the fglrx driver sucks with Beryl :)
[03:13] <ShackJack> I switched to compiz for the time being :)
[03:13] <macogw> i couldnt get compiz working right
[03:14] <macogw> amaranth finally showed me that gconf had wrong stuff in it
[03:14] <macogw> s/he blamed me for changing it, but i'd never touched gconf until s/he told me what to put in there to fix it
[03:14] <macogw> the cube still doesn't work though
[03:14] <Amaranth> he
[03:14] <Amaranth> and the cube should work with the latest desktop-effects package
[03:14] <Amaranth> but if you tried to enable it before it might have broken
[03:15] <macogw> well i'll try the cube again now that there've been lots of updates going through
[03:15] <sayers> Good work with Feisty, works good :)
[03:15] <macogw> though i think gconf is still wrong for cube because after you left someone else told me what to add for the cube except it wouldnt "stick" which means it was out of order according to him, only we couldnt figure out the right order
[03:16] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi.  Sorry to ask a repeat question, I got dropped.  I have been on 7.04 happily for a week.  I applied today's updates around noon and now I get kicked back to the gui login screen as soon as I log in.  I cannot start a gnome or gnome-failsafe session.  Where should I look?
[03:16] <LEMONed> can anyone help me? one of my ext3 drives randomly removed my permissions when i try and transfer stuff to it, when i first load up i can create/delete folders on it, but then i xfer stuff and after a few files it no longer lets me
[03:17] <dogmatism>  nerdygirl_ellie  maybe ~/.xsession-errors
[03:17] <macogw> nerdygirl_ellie: is your hard drive full?
[03:17] <macogw> when a partition fills, you get kicked at login
[03:18] <ghostdog> I cannot get nvidia legacy drivers have direct rendering enabled
[03:18] <duslow> i'm having a strange issue with 7.04 and keyboard mappings
[03:18] <nerdygirl_ellie> nope.  a couple of hundred gigs free. :)  Lemme see about that error log.
[03:18] <ghostdog> both the client vendor and server do not match
[03:19] <nerdygirl_ellie> macogw:  BRB, I emptied the file and am going to reproduce the error.
[03:21] <ghostdog> here is my glxinfo http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13963/
[03:22] <ghostdog> client glx version is SGI, is that normal?
[03:22] <RAOF> Depends on what your card is.
[03:23] <ghostdog> it is an old school Riva TNT2
[03:23] <ghostdog> that worked with the previous ubuntu 6.10
[03:23] <nerdygirl_ellie> Back
[03:23] <ghostdog> was the support dropped for this and other cards?
[03:24] <LEMONed> can anyone help me? one of my ext3 drives randomly removed my permissions when i try and transfer stuff to it, when i first load up i can create/delete folders on it, but then i xfer stuff and after a few files it no longer lets me
[03:24] <RAOF> ghostdog: Should still be supported by the nvidia-legacy package.
[03:24] <LEMONed> i have to unmount/remount it every time i wanna xfer like 5 files
[03:24] <duslow> anyone using nomachine with 7.04?
[03:25] <nerdygirl_ellie> Ah-ha!  modinfo: could not find module fglrx  modinfo: could not find module nvidia_legacy.  I think I can figure it out from here. Thanks for the help.
[03:25] <ghostdog> RAOF, what libraries are used for client GLX?
[03:25] <ghostdog> may I just need to link them
[03:25] <LEMONed> anyone know?
[03:26] <orkid> is it possible to boot eh iso from the hD? (ie. take out the vmlinuz and initrd.img and boot from an existing grub?)
[03:26] <orkid> or is it best for me just to get a netboot kernel/initrd and use that?
[03:26] <RAOF> ghostdog: No, you shouldn't need to do anything manually.  Why not pastebin the full output of glxinfo, and I can tell whether it's right or not :)
[03:26] <ghostdog> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13963
[03:27] <LEMONed> anyone able to help me?
[03:27] <macogw> LEMONed: sounds like a bug.  check malone and see if it's been reported
[03:27] <LEMONed> whats malone?\
[03:28] <mon^rch> upon re-installing feisty my nvidia drivers are responding VERY slowly (they still work though) any fix?
[03:28] <RAOF> ghostdog: Ding! That glxinfo is (almost) totally fine.  I'm not sure why you don't have direct rendering, but the nvidia drivers are working right.
[03:28] <ghostdog> yup
[03:28] <ghostdog> RAOF, but shouldn' the client be "NVIDIA"?
[03:29] <RAOF> ghostdog: No, the server should be nvidia.  Because the server's where your graphics drivers are :)
[03:29] <orkid> can anyone help me?
[03:29] <macogw> !bug | LEMONed
[03:29] <ubotu> LEMONed: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:29] <mon^rch> upon re-installing feisty my nvidia drivers are responding VERY slowly (they still work though) any fix?
[03:29] <ghostdog> RAOF, buggy drivers?
[03:30] <macogw> LEMONed: malone is the bugtracker (think Bugsy Malone) in launchpad
[03:30] <RAOF> ghostdog: Entirely possible, but /var/log/Xorg.0.log would probably have the reason.
[03:30] <LEMONed> i see
[03:31] <mon^rch> why is my nvidia choppy and slow?
[03:31] <ghostdog> RAOF, everything seems fine http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13966
[03:32] <Toma-> witty retort
[03:34] <RAOF> ghostdog: Quite true, nothing seems too amiss there.  Maybe you need to add the "dri" module to get direct rendering?  I'm not sure though.
[03:34] <ghostdog> you know, that could very well be it
[03:34] <macogw> if you're using AIGLX, you have to add dri
[03:35] <ToHellWithGA> macogw: with what kind of card?
[03:35] <ToHellWithGA> iirc the dri xorg module is default in feisty
[03:36] <RAOF> Yeah, but his Xorg.0.log indicates that it's not being loaded.
[03:36] <macogw> according to beryl's wiki, if you're using aiglx, you need to have dri dbe and glx
[03:36] <orkid> i guess not
[03:36] <orkid> oh well
[03:37] <ToHellWithGA> did he sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet?
[03:43] <PWill> Holy cow. What happened to openoffice?
[03:44] <Toma-> it esploded!
[03:44] <PWill> open up writer
[03:44] <mon^rch> RAOF: could you help me with the compiz desktop cube thingy again? i re-setup feisty
[03:44] <RAOF> Your head asplode!
[03:44] <PWill> do the icons look like crap?
[03:45] <Mrsayers> mon^rch: use beryl it's easier to set up
[03:45] <RAOF> mon^rch: I think the new desktop-effects applet should be installed no, if you've updated recently
[03:45] <RAOF> mon^rch: Just hit the "cube" button there :)
[03:45] <Toma-> is it using tango or something?
[03:45] <RAOF> Mrsayers: Lies :)
[03:45] <mon^rch> RAOF: but there's no animation...
[03:46] <RAOF> You will need to be more specific :)
[03:46] <RAOF> *What* animation? :)
[03:47] <PWill> Can someone open up OpenOffice?
[03:47] <mon^rch> raof: I have 4 workspaces, when I swithch any of them there is no desktop cube animation... before to told me gconf editor and chance some vale of 4 to 1... but I dont know which one
[03:47] <PWill> The icons look awful here. They're not the pretty tang ones anymore
[03:48] <RAOF> mon^rch: Hm.  Oh, well.  Maybe you don't have the new d-e applet yet.  Anyway, the two gconf keys are /apps/compiz/general/screen0/{hsize=4, number_of_desktops=1}
[03:48] <mon^rch> tyvm
[03:49] <Draconicus> Whoa, whoa, whoa...
[03:49] <Draconicus> Did my CD-ROM eject button just unmount and eject the CD?!
[03:50] <RAOF> Probably.  Although it's done that since Edgy at lesast.
[03:50] <shawnr> wow i think im gonna get this new monitor from new egg
[03:50] <NickGarvey> Draconicus, ahah I was like that when I hit the mute button on my laptop and it WORKED
[03:50] <mon^rch> um, my panels just dissappeared
[03:51] <shawnr> 22in ws, 1680x1050
[03:51] <Draconicus> NickGarvey: Hehe..
[03:51] <shawnr> oooh i want it lol ;p
[03:51] <Draconicus> That's been like that since Dapper, though..
[03:51] <PWill> Can someone please open openoffice?
[03:51] <PWill> Are your icons the tango ones? Or do they look ugly?
[03:52] <shawnr> tango
[03:52] <PWill> ugh
[03:52] <PWill> i have no clue what happened to mine then
[03:52] <PWill> shawnr: have you updated today?
[03:53] <shawnr> yea this morning
[03:53] <shawnr> when did you update last?
[03:54] <PWill> today
[03:54] <PWill> this afternoon
[03:54] <PWill> argh
[03:54] <shawnr> how do i check my ip again?
[03:54] <shawnr> never mind
[03:54] <PWill> shawnr: http://www.whatismyip.org
[03:55] <shawnr> i rememberd
[03:55] <shawnr> nah, mean off the router
[03:55] <PWill> or are you looking for your local IP
[03:55] <PWill> ah
[03:55] <shawnr> ifconfig
[03:55] <shawnr> i got it ;p
[03:55] <PWill> yep
[03:56] <PWill> shawnr: I fixed the icons. They were set to a different icon set in Tools > Options > Views
[03:56] <shawnr> nice
[03:56] <PWill> I don't know how though...
[03:56] <shawnr> are you getting my image
[03:56] <shawnr> ?
[03:56] <shawnr> trying to get my router to allow me to send file in irc
[03:56] <PWill> ah
[03:57] <shawnr> are you getting anything?
[03:57] <PWill> i don't see anything coming through
[03:57] <shawnr> shoot
[03:57] <shawnr> i usually just set DMZ host on and i can get it
[03:57] <PWill> i have autoaccept on
[03:58] <PWill> put it on imageshack or something if you want me to see it i guess
[03:58] <PWill> although that is not a fix
[04:03] <mon^rch> RAOF: fixed the desktops applet, thanks. but now my drivers are laggy again. stopping and starting the desktop effects fixed performance before... but not now. any ideas?
[04:05] <RAOF> Not really, sorry.
[04:14] <mon^rch> ok, nice smooth animation for the desktop effects, but the desktop switcher doesn't animate (rotate) while switching ... again and I checked the settings are right :(
[04:15] <mon^rch> boo
[04:15] <mon^rch> nvm, hacked it
[04:15] <mon^rch> yay me
[04:16] <mon^rch> RAOF: thanks againg for your input :)
[04:17] <mon^rch> I'll shut-up now
[04:28] <nerdygirl_ellie> Thanks to all who helped!  All my windows are jiggly again! :)
[04:29] <catid> hurray for jiggling !
[04:30] <dogmatism> congrats =)
[04:30] <catid> does anyone know of a program to help monitor ebay auctions up to the last few minutes perhaps to give an edge?
[04:30] <catid> my ebay-fu is not best =(
[04:31] <dogmatism> jaybidwatcher maybe
[04:31] <dogmatism> *jbidwatcher, sorry
[04:32] <catid> that does seem like the kind of thing i'm looking for
[04:32] <MarkFeathers> How well does Feisty handle MythTV right now?
[04:33] <macogw> catid: set your max bid instead of bidding every 30 seconds at the end
[04:33] <macogw> it'll only increment by 50 cents over hte highest bid
[04:33] <macogw> it doesnt just jump to that number
[04:34] <catid> macogw: i'm aware..  but if i set a high bid someone might just beat it
[04:34] <catid> macogw: i want to set a middle-ish bid, let them one-up it and then hit a high bid in the last few seconds
[04:36] <macogw> oh...
[04:41] <MarkFeathers> Has anyone in here used mythtv with feisty?
[04:51] <robert_> nerdygirl_ellie: jiggly..?
[04:51] <NickGarvey> puff
[04:52] <Arko> Amarok is using almost 100% of CPU. How do I reduce that cpu usage?
[04:52] <NickGarvey> Arko, playing a CD?
[04:52] <Arko> NickGarvey: nope. Mp3s.
[04:52] <NickGarvey> Arko, is it indexing your music files?
[04:53] <Arko> nick: dunno. How to check it?
[04:55] <NickGarvey> Arko, mm.. don't use amarok, don't know details of the program..
[04:55] <NickGarvey> command line mplayer for me ;)
[04:55] <Arko> he
[04:56] <mon^rch> I guess feisty is a lit-tle more finnicky than I had first anticipated :/
[04:56] <dogmatism> Arko: at the bottom left you'll see a progress bar if it is indexing
[04:56] <catid> it's only a bug if that indexing thread is not low prio
[04:57] <Arko> nope... it is not indexing... at least, not right now
[04:58] <dogmatism> how big is your collection?
[04:58] <dogmatism> maybe it'll take up less cpu by switching to a different database if your collection if really large.
[04:58] <Arko> dogmatism: I have just seen it. It appears when I change song
[04:59] <Arko> dogmatism: it is about three thousand songs
[04:59] <RAOF> Arko: Just for a few seconds?  Or continually, after changing songs?
[05:00] <Arko> RAOF: it appears when change songs
[05:00] <RAOF> Yes, but for how long after changing a song is there 100% cpu usage?
[05:00] <Arko> RAOF: and it slows the mouse when changing songs
[05:01] <Arko> RAOF: few seconds after changing songs
[05:01] <RAOF> Arko: That sounds totally normal.
[05:01] <dogmatism> For what its worth. I have a bout 1,000 songs and it would lag when changing songs using sqlite. I now use postgresql and it doesn't lag as much.
[05:02] <RAOF> It *might* just be decoding the whole song into memory.  Or maybe it's doing some funky database stuff on song change.
[05:02] <Arko> hmmm
[05:02] <Arko> that is not funny or normal. It is annoying
[05:05] <Linoleum> hi guys . I try to update my feisty , and I ve got this error : Setting up libdevmapper1.02 (1.02.08-1ubuntu9) ...
[05:05] <Linoleum> mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/mapper': File exists
[05:05] <Linoleum> dpkg: error processing libdevmapper1.02 (--configure):
[05:05] <Linoleum>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:06] <MarkFeathers> Has anyone in here used mythtv with feisty?
[05:06] <slackern> I just installed amarok also and adding my tunes now
[05:06] <nerdygirl_ellie> Crack attack is too addictive.  I should file a bug.
[05:06] <dogmatism> Lol
[05:06] <nerdygirl_ellie> Ditto Frozen bubble.
[05:07] <dogmatism> I'll confirm it =P
[05:09] <Arko> Postgresql reported the following error:
[05:09] <Arko> fe_sendauth: no password supplied
[05:09] <Arko> errr
[05:09] <dogmatism> Did you create the database and the user for it yet?
[05:10] <Arko> nope
[05:10] <Arko> it is too much for me
[05:10] <dogmatism> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Postgresql_HowTo if you are interested
[05:10] <Arko> gonna put my user and pass to check
[05:11] <Arko> Postgresql reported the following error:
[05:11] <Arko> FATAL: password authentication failed for user "arko"
[05:11] <Arko> errrrr
[05:11] <dogmatism> it has to be setup through postgresql, check out the howto
[05:12] <MarkFeathers> Has anyone in here used mythtv with feisty?
[05:12] <Arko> okay. Checking
[05:13] <dogmatism> Arko: instead of su - postgres in the howto. sudo su - postgres will probably work better.
[05:13] <Arko> dogmatism: okay
[05:14] <shawnr> uuuuuuugh c'mon with this new legacy crap lol ;p
[05:17] <Arko> dogmatism: it says to 'createdb amarokcollection' and 'createdb -O dude amarokcollection"... Now I got a error
[05:17] <Arko> createdb: database creation failed: ERROR:  database "amarokcollection" already exists
[05:17] <dogmatism> the createdb -O was correctiong the createdb one. you weren't suppose to run both of those commands.
[05:18] <dogmatism> its easy to fix though. just run dropdb amarokcollection
[05:18] <dogmatism> then just use the createdb -O command
[05:18] <Arko> okay
[05:19] <Arko> done
[05:20] <dogmatism> did you set up the user and password too?
[05:20] <Arko> yep
[05:20] <Arko> it worked
[05:21] <Arko> but I clicked to build the collection and nothing happens
[05:21] <dogmatism> you might have to restart amarok.
[05:22] <Arko> Please be patient while Amarok scans your music collection. You can watch the progress of this activity in the statusbar.
[05:22] <Arko> heheh
[05:22] <Arko> 12%
[05:22] <dogmatism> hope it works lol
[05:22] <Arko> 35%
[05:23] <Arko> done
[05:23] <Arko> lets test
[05:24] <Arko> it worked!
[05:25] <Arko> maximum 30.3%
[05:25] <dogmatism> woot =) congrats
[05:25] <Arko> thanx people!
[05:25] <dogmatism> you're welcome
[05:27] <NickGarvey> Arko, hehe told you it was indexing
[05:27] <Arko> NickGarvey: as you said
[05:27] <Arko> thank you
[05:27] <dogmatism> sqlite can only handle so much =( hehe
[05:27] <NickGarvey> hah I didn't help you at all ;)
[05:45] <coz_> guys tring to install an application onto feisty, however it says that it cannot find a Tk interpreter with Tx on the system txwish. I know that wish is here but I amlost after that ...anysuggestions?
[05:45] <RAOF> coz_: Sounds like you're trying to install something not from the repositories, is that right?
[05:46] <coz_> RAOF, yep
[05:46] <RAOF> coz_: That way lies madness.  What program is it?  Are you *sure* it's not in the repos?
[05:46] <coz_> RAOF, apparently from googleing txwish has been requested on all debian based distros but can't find a good download for it
[05:46] <RAOF> !find txwish
[05:46] <ubotu> Package/file txwish does not exist in feisty
[05:47] <coz_> RAOF, it is called hamster a font controller
[05:47] <RAOF> "hamster a font controller"?
[05:47] <RAOF> !find hamster
[05:48] <ubotu> Package/file hamster does not exist in feisty
[05:49] <RAOF> coz_: If the program is *really* not in the repositories, you'll have to hunt down the dependencies, one by one.
[05:49] <RAOF> If any dependency is not in the repository, you need to recurse down a level :(
[05:49] <coz_> RAOF, I have been tryingall day but my guess is that they are not named txwish because no hunt has found anything
[05:50] <RAOF> But txwish is a dependency of what you're trying to get, right?
[05:51] <coz_> RAOF, the read out in terminal says   Finding tixwish...
[05:51] <coz_> I can't find a Tk interpreter with Tix on your system
[05:51] <coz_> This is needed in order to run hfm.
[05:51] <RAOF> !find hfm
[05:51] <coz_> RAOF, tried that too but let me look again
[05:51] <ubotu> Package/file hfm does not exist in feisty
[05:51] <RAOF> :)
[05:51] <coz_> RAOF, by the way here is that app   http://www.speedyshare.com/881702803.html
[05:52] <coz_> RAOF, I found all the depencies it required except this one
[05:52] <RAOF> Does it have a homepage?
[05:53] <coz_> RAOF,  yeah let me find it again
[05:53] <coz_> http://www.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/
[05:53] <coz_> RAOF, but apparently that is going no where hold on I will find the right one
[05:53] <RAOF> Hm, not so good with the german :(
[05:54] <hardaway> does anyone know why openoffice will not launch with the latest updates
[05:54] <coz_> RAOF, here it is http://hfm.sourceforge.net/index_e.html
[05:55] <manchicken> hardaway: I've got it running just fine here...
[05:55] <ploum> hello
[05:55] <ssaa> hello all. please i need some help
[05:56] <hardaway> it tries and then fails on my laptop
[05:56] <ploum> For a few weeks in Feisty, my system is booting very slowly
[05:56] <coz_> ssaa, ah oh what is the problem
[05:56] <ploum> I've installed bootchart
[05:56] <ssaa> im getting sound from the headphone out of my laptop but no from the speakers
[05:56] <ssaa> thanks coz_
[05:56] <ploum> and I can see that between 20s and 60s, nothing happens at all !!!
[05:56] <coz_> ssaa, ok in terminal tyep alsamixer
[05:56] <micahcowan> What does desktop-effects do? On my system it fails to work (just kills the WM). Running beryl by hand seems to work fine.
[05:57] <coz_> ssaa, make sure nothing is muted with an m that would suggest speakers
[05:57] <ploum> micahcowan: desktop-effects is compiz
[05:57] <coz_> ssaa, if it is muted you use the arrows to highlight that slider and the space bar to change it
[05:58] <ssaa> some things are muted but i cant "unmute" them with the spacebar
[05:59] <RAOF> coz_: Do you have the package "tclx8.4" installed?
[05:59] <ssaa> oh ok
[05:59] <ssaa> did it
[05:59] <ssaa> with the "m"
[05:59] <ssaa> let me try amarok now
[05:59] <micahcowan> ploum, okay; but compiz appears not to start (I run pstree and just see desktop-effects with no children, and don't see any other WMs).
[05:59] <coz_> RAOF, yep and the development files as well
[05:59] <ploum> micahcowan: fill a bug
[05:59] <ploum> try to start compiz with beryl-manager
[05:59] <ploum> and see if it fails
[06:00] <ploum> if yes, it's a compiz bug
[06:00] <macogw> ploum: i had a 22 second boot time until today's update
[06:00] <micahcowan> ploum, will do, but first I need to understand what's going on a bit more. And yes, that's a good idea, I'll do that.
[06:00] <RAOF> coz_: :(
[06:00] <ploum> if no, it's a deskop-effect bug
[06:00] <macogw> now it sits for about a minute on "configuring network interfaces"
[06:00] <coz_> RAOF, no luck there as well?
[06:00] <micahcowan> Sounds fair. Okay, then. Thanks.
[06:00] <ploum> macogw: for me, even the progress bar in usplash is stalled for a minute
[06:01] <ploum> but it does that since 2-3 weeks I think
[06:01] <coz_> RAOF, this is really puzzling to me... the app read me suggests that all modern linux distros already have this installed
[06:01] <ssaa> coz_: still nothing
[06:02] <coz_> ssaa, mm you changed the m on the sliders that were for the speakers external speakers ?
[06:02] <coz_> ssaa, you have to remove the m not put one in  just in case i confused you if so my fault
[06:02] <ssaa> i removed the m's
[06:03] <coz_> ssaa, ok
[06:03] <ssaa> oh
[06:03] <coz_> ubuntu ssaa
[06:03] <ssaa> but there's a thing
[06:03] <coz_> ssaa, what
[06:04] <ssaa> in the external slider i can mute-unmute but cant turn up thew volume
[06:04] <coz_> ssaa, ok open alsamixer again
[06:04] <ssaa> k
[06:04] <ssaa> done
[06:05] <coz_> ssaa, the first slider is the main volume control however I want you to use the arrow buttons and highlight one of the volume controls named pcm
[06:05] <ssaa> k
[06:05] <coz_> ssaa, is the slider up or down
[06:05] <ssaa> up
[06:05] <coz_> how far
[06:05] <ssaa> 3/4
[06:06] <coz_> ok that should be ok tab the up arrow a couple times to move it up just a bit
[06:06] <ssaa> ok full now
[06:07] <coz_> ssaa, nono not full if we get this working that will distort the sound quite a bit
[06:07] <ssaa> ok
[06:07] <User369> ok can someone tell me what is the problem with feisty and the 2.6.20 kernel
[06:07] <ssaa> done
[06:07] <macogw> User369: what?
[06:07] <coz_> ssaa, now scroll over to the wave slider that is just to the right of Synth
[06:07] <macogw> User369: please be more specific
[06:07] <Toma-> User369: feisty uses that kernel, yes. what is your problem?
[06:07] <User369> ok sorry
[06:08] <coz_> ssaa, you want synth and wave next to it about 3/4 of the way up
[06:08] <User369> well i did the upgrade and when i sellect 2.6.20 from grub it takes forever to startup
[06:08] <ssaa> no wave and synth
[06:08] <macogw> User369: hit alt+f1 during startup and see what it hangs on
[06:08] <coz_> ssaa, also at the top of the terminal on the left top corner is it giving you the proper referene to your sound card
[06:09] <macogw> User369: i had a 22 second boot time until today.  today's update makes my "configuring network interfaces" take about a minute
[06:09] <coz_> ssaa, so it should be identifing card..chip... view and item
[06:09] <coz_> and in the view part is should say  [Playback]  capture all
[06:09] <User369> well when i use the 2.6.17.10 it boots normallyy
[06:10] <User369> its when i sellect 20 that it gets stuck in the middle for close to a minute
[06:10] <ssaa> i searches in there too for wave and synth
[06:10] <os2mac> can someone give me a hand with Kubuntu Fiesty for a moment?
[06:10] <coz_> ssaa, what card is alsamixer identifying there
[06:10] <os2mac> I am having a graphics problem.
[06:10] <ssaa> coz_: ali5451
[06:10] <ssaa> that's mina
[06:10] <ssaa> mine
[06:11] <coz_> ssaa, ok and no wave or synth sliders???
[06:11] <ssaa> no at all
[06:11] <os2mac> when I boot up... my login screen is of a different resolution that my actual desktop.
[06:11] <coz_> ssaa, ok you are on ubuntu right or using gnome
[06:11] <ssaa> yes
[06:11] <ssaa> to both
[06:12] <talon223> Am i the only one experiencing WSOD problems with beryl and compiz
[06:12] <talon223> ?
[06:12] <os2mac> I am trying to reset that login screen to the same resolution as my desktop (1280x1024 @ 60hz
[06:12] <coz_> ssaa, go to System/Prefereces/ multimedia systems selector if it is not there ..in that same list go to menu editor or main menu
[06:13] <coz_> ssaa, is it there?
[06:13] <coz_> ssaa, if not open a terminal and type in gksudo alacarte
[06:13] <Amaranth> NO
[06:13] <Amaranth> NO NO NO
[06:13] <coz_> Amaranth, nono
[06:13] <coz_> ??
[06:14] <Amaranth> _NEVER_ run alacarte as root
[06:14] <coz_> Amaranth, ok
[06:14] <coz_> ssaa, forget that just type in alacarte
[06:14] <coz_> Amaranth, noticed on feisty that it does not save settings although I can drag menu item but it seems to save to the debian menu
[06:14] <ssaa> in terminal?
[06:14] <coz_> ssaa, yes in terminal tyep alacarte
[06:15] <ssaa> ok
[06:15] <Amaranth> or right click on your menus and choose "Edit Menus"
[06:15] <Amaranth> or go to System->Preferences->Main Menu
[06:15] <macogw> or alt+f2 and type alacarte without a terminal
[06:15] <RAOF> Poor Amaranth, an his poor, abused menu editor :)
[06:15] <coz_> RAOF, :)
[06:15] <ssaa> ok added multimedia system selector to the menu
[06:16] <os2mac> anyone?
[06:16] <coz_> RAOF, that happens to be my favorite app on ubuntu
[06:16] <coz_> ssaa, ok then open that
[06:16] <ssaa> donde
[06:16] <ssaa> done
[06:16] <macogw> os2mac: are you using 915resolution?
[06:16] <coz_> ssaa,  on the audio tab what does it say for default output
[06:17] <os2mac> I am in a Dell Inspiron 8600 with a 15 inch wide screen I believe the native resolution is 1280x960@60
[06:17] <User667> macogw: i looked at the verbose output at boot using kernel .20
[06:17] <ssaa> oss input
[06:17] <ssaa> i mean in output
[06:17] <User667> it takes forever to config network
[06:17] <coz_> ssaa, ok that pull down menu choose alsa
[06:17] <User667> any idea why?
[06:17] <macogw> os2mac: what graphics card?
[06:17] <coz_> ssaa, then hit the test button
[06:17] <ssaa> coz_: ok done
[06:17] <macogw> User667: that was today's update that did that
[06:18] <macogw> yesterday it wouldve been fast for ya :p
[06:18] <User667> ok
[06:18] <coz_> ssaa, sound?
[06:18] <os2mac> it's an Nvidia Geforce2 5200 but it's being detected as a generic Gforce
[06:18] <User667> so i am not alone here?
[06:18] <macogw> it's not the kernel though, that kernel (2.6.20-13) has been there for a few weeks
[06:18] <os2mac> or generic NV driver
[06:18] <ssaa> no sound from speakers, just from headphones
[06:18] <coz_> ssaa, mm
[06:18] <User667> macogw: what is it then?
[06:18] <macogw> os2mac: oh...ok i cant help. i just know intel + 915resolution
[06:19] <os2mac> is it a modes thing?
[06:19] <coz_> ssaa, this a desktop or laptop
[06:19] <macogw> User667: i doubt its a driver as we likely have different ethernet/wireless cards (i have marvell and ipw3945)
[06:19] <ssaa> a laptop
[06:19] <macogw> User667: possibly something broke if Upstart (the thing that makes ubuntu boot faster that if you used plain init scripts)
[06:19] <macogw> was updated
[06:19] <coz_> ssaa, damn i was hoping you didn't ahve the speakers pluggin right :)
[06:20] <ssaa> hahahaahahahaha
[06:20] <coz_> ssaa, :)
[06:20] <macogw> lemme see if i can see what was in today's update
[06:20] <coz_> ssaa, ok well i don't own a laptop so iw ill stop at this point, i am sure somone here may have some suggestions to solve this for you what we did was ok but apparenlty not the solution
[06:21] <User667> macogw: when i boot with kernel 10
[06:21] <ssaa> ok thank you very much coz_
[06:21] <User667> i get no such problems
[06:21] <coz_> ssaa,  sorry  but I think someone may have more infor than me about this
[06:22] <ssaa> np thanks
[06:22] <coz_> ssaa, howver now that we make that one change go back into alsamixer to see if there were any changes in there
[06:22] <ssaa> ok
[06:22] <coz_> ssaa, its doubtful but no harm in checking
[06:23] <ssaa> no changes
[06:23] <coz_> ok
[06:23] <ssaa> :(
[06:24] <macogw> User667: are you talking about a dual boot setup?
[06:24] <coz_> ssaa, sorry guy however, you can go to #alsa to see if someone there can help, they surely have more info that can be helpful
[06:24] <macogw> User667: i tried booting with 2.6.20-11, 2.6.20-12, and 2.6.20-13, all of which were FAST until the new update and all of which are slow now
[06:25] <ssaa> oh that's great thanks coz_
[06:25] <User667> damn
[06:25] <coz_> Amaranth, actually that was the first time I ever suggested that with alacarte and I never do tha tmyself..have no explanation for it :)
[06:25] <User667> what are they doing to our precious boot up :-(
[06:26] <coz_> User667, :) five em hell :)
[06:26] <coz_> give them hell I meant
[06:26] <justin__> anyone in? when my wifi connects(using ndiswrapper) nnm-applet wants me to entry a default key ring password and my root password does not work
[06:26] <macogw> User667: hang on i'm gonna mess with things and see if i can find what did it
[06:27] <ssaa> coz_: SOLVED MAN!!!
[06:27] <ssaa> great!
[06:27] <coz_> ssaa, `cool what was the solution ?
[06:28] <ssaa> i start to mute random things in the alsamixer
[06:28] <ssaa> i unmutted jack something
[06:28] <ssaa> line jack
[06:28] <coz_> ssaa, oh cool
[06:28] <ssaa> my mistake
[06:28] <ssaa> i should have donde that before
[06:28] <ssaa> thank you man
[06:28] <coz_> ssaa, ok cool  Iknew that :)
[06:28] <ssaa> :)
[06:29] <ssaa> coz may i ask you something else
[06:29] <coz_> ssaa, sure if I can help i will
[06:29] <ssaa> do u have any experience with beryl?
[06:29] <coz_> ssaa, yes......
[06:29] <ssaa> i tried to install it yesterday
[06:30] <coz_> ssaa, ok tell you what the best place to go for this is the #beryl channel i will meet you there :)
[06:30] <ssaa> i followed some steps that i found online to install it on an ati card
[06:30] <ssaa> ok thanks
[06:31] <User667> macogw: what have you found...?
[06:33] <User667> macogw: i am pretty certain that its the wifi card that is slowing the network devices connection setup
[06:33] <User667> mine is the madwifi
[06:33] <User667> excuse me, atheros
[06:37] <macogw> User667: module-init-tools was upgraded today
[06:38] <macogw> User205: mine is intel ipw3945
[06:38] <macogw> i think it's init that's the problem
[06:38] <macogw> init controls startup
[06:38] <macogw> it INITializes everything :p
[06:39] <User205> macogw:thanks
[06:39] <User205> will wait to see how this unfolds
[06:40] <User205> right now kernel is stuck at about 50 seconds on Network Devices setup
[06:40] <macogw> and just for the sake of being thorough, ipw doesnt show at all on searching the new stuff
[06:40] <macogw> i should make note of what config file this is...
[06:41] <macogw> /var/log/dpkg.log
[06:41] <User205> cheers
[06:41] <User205> thanks
[06:42] <User205> macogw: thanks....its way past bed time for me. I tell myself that i will wake up tomorrow and before its worktime a new upgrade will fix the slowness
[06:43] <User205> sometimes yes sometimes no
[06:43] <macogw> ok well i'll file a bug if its not there, so check launchpad.net tomorrow and confirm it, okay?
[06:43] <os2mac> OK this is kicking my A$$
[06:43] <os2mac> it's a resolutio problem with the login screen.
[06:43] <User205> cheers
[06:43] <os2mac> BTW this is under Kubuntu-Fiesty
[06:45] <os2mac> the desktop is correct (virtual resolution) but the login screen is incorrect.
[06:59] <mon^rch> !nvu
[06:59] <ubotu> nvu is a WYSIWYG and code dual-function HTML editor for easily creating web pages.  The original developer is working on a full rewrite; meanwhile, another is doing bugfixes.  It is not the Ubuntu repos for Feisty Fawn, but ping tonyyarusso to inquire about packages.  See also !html.
[06:59] <mon^rch> a full rewrite, eh? :)
[07:05] <RAOF> Apparently they've never heard of Joel on Software :P
[07:06] <dougb> does anyone know if the DVD playback support has been improved in feisty?
[07:08] <RAOF> In what way "improved"?
[07:08] <RAOF> All versions of Ubuntu have actually had flawless DVD support (after a bit of configuration, sadly).
[07:09] <RAOF> If you mean "Does the default Totem support DVDs properly out of the box", the answer is still no.
[07:09] <macogw> because it's still not legal
[07:09] <RAOF> Exactly.
[07:09] <scoates> hello.
[07:10] <scoates> every time I sleep or hibernate, parts of my hardware stop working on restore.
[07:10] <scoates> for example, right now I have no sound because I did sleep/wakeup. Is there a way to troubleshoot this?
[07:10] <macogw> scoates: that would a problem with the drivers
[07:10] <poningru> hmm a friend of mine has the same troubles
[07:10] <macogw> you need to set them to unload on susped/hibernate and reload on restore
[07:10] <fignew> scoates: it's a laptop, right?
[07:11] <scoates> yes, a laptop
[07:11] <poningru> fignew: it is
[07:11] <RAOF> scoates: wiki.ubuntu.com has a bunch of help.  Let me dig some up.
[07:11] <scoates> hmm.. I looked around launchpad.
[07:11] <macogw> windows has the same problem when the drivers are bad like that :p
[07:11] <scoates> any help is appreciated.
[07:11] <poningru> hehe
[07:11] <scoates> If I hibernate, on restore, my battery indicator doesn't work (nor do my brightness adjustment keys)
[07:11] <RAOF> scoates: All of these problems should end up on launchpad as bugs, incidentally. Sound: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:11] <scoates> I figure they're related.
[07:12] <scoates> thank you.
[07:13] <macogw> put the modules of the drivers that control those parts into /etc/acpi/suspend.d/65-services-stop.sh
[07:14] <macogw> put them in /etc/acpi/resume.d/35-modules-load.sh as well to make it reload them on resume
[07:14] <macogw> scoates, RAOF, poningru, fignew ^^^^^
[07:14] <macogw> oh sorry i meant /etc/acpi/suspend.d/70-modules-unload.sh
[07:15] <scoates> I thought about that. The problem is tracking down the right modules.
[07:15] <macogw> but anyway, that's how you get around the stupid drivers that go splat on suspend/resume
[07:16] <macogw> do an lsmod and put it in the pastebin
[07:16] <scoates> for example, I can't rmmod snd because snd_hda_intel depends on it. and snd_hda_intel "is in use" (on rmmod)
[07:16] <macogw> i think you'll have to do the whole tree
[07:16] <scoates> http://pastebin.ca/425018
[07:17] <macogw> scoates: and which things dont work when you resume?  sound and what else?
[07:17] <RAOF> macogw: Cool, didn't know that.  Still those problems should be filed as bugs anyway :)
[07:17] <scoates> so far, I've found: sound, acpi hotkeys (brightness adjust, for example) and battery indicator
[07:17] <scoates> also, resuming from sleep takes a LONG time, sometimes
[07:17] <Jordan_U> Does the Migration assistant migrate AIM contacts?
[07:17] <scoates> (like 10 mins)
[07:17] <macogw> scoates: battery is part of acpi
[07:18] <scoates> ok
[07:18] <macogw> scoates has it taken a long time always or just as of today?
[07:18] <macogw> i just put in a bug because today's updates turned my 22 second boot time into a minute and a half
[07:18] <scoates> macogw: it's quick on Windows (-:   It's not today. It happened on Edgy, too.
[07:18] <scoates> and if I suspend and resume within a few mins, it's quick
[07:19] <scoates> if I leave it overnight, it takes minutes
[07:19] <macogw> hmm ok...
[07:19] <macogw> idk what to say about that (i never suspend just cuz i dont really have a reason to do so)
[07:19] <scoates> I can live with hibernate if I can figure out which modules to blacklist
[07:20] <macogw> can you do snd* ?
[07:21] <dougb> RAOF, macogw: when I was talking about DVD support, I mean that when I previously tried to play DVD's on feisty, it would only play it when the DVD was first inserted, and even then there was no chapter skipping features or other menu features.  Then if I was to exit the software and try to play the DVD again, it wouldn't work
[07:21] <foxiness> hi, is there a diff butween dist-upgrade and update-manager "like partial" ?
[07:21] <scoates> macogw:  http://pastebin.ca/425022
[07:22] <RAOF> dougb: Installing totem-xine will fix that.  GStreamer *still* hasn't got their DVDnav plugin working properly.
[07:22] <dougb> ok thanks
[07:22] <macogw> dougb: oh i never had that issue...though it would sometimes die halfway through and id have to take the cd out and put it back in and that was WITH xine backend
[07:22] <macogw> scoates: i'm looking
[07:22] <dougb> hmm, well I'm about to install feisty again and keep it for the long run, so I'll see if it has improved under my circumastances
[07:23] <dougb> if it hasn't, I'll file a bug report
[07:23] <dougb> well i'm off to the wonderful world of linux again
[07:23] <dougb> be back soon
[07:24] <scoates> I can't even rmmod -f snd_hda_intel
[07:24] <scoates> ERROR: Removing 'snd_hda_intel': Resource temporarily unavailable
[07:24] <Jordan_U> foxiness: Yes, update-manager works, dist-upgrade leaves your system hosed ( at least Dapper to Edgy )
[07:24] <macogw> scoates:  can you rmmod snd* ?
[07:24] <scoates> ERROR: Module snd* does not exist in /proc/modules
[07:25] <scoates> you mean list each?
[07:25] <guesserit> hey guys how do you make the desktop on a cube appear on the screen in feisty?
[07:25] <macogw> foxiness: listen to Jordan_U on that one...12 hours it took me to go dapper > edgy!
[07:25] <macogw> guesserit: use beryl...
[07:25] <scoates> (that's what the lsmod | grep | awk  I pasted does.)
[07:25] <macogw> and ctrl alt click and drag
[07:25] <RAOF> guesserit: Or, if you want a *helpful* answer... :)
[07:26] <Jordan_U> guesserit: System -> preferences -> Desktop Effects
[07:26] <guesserit> i enabled the cube but i don t know how to use it
[07:26] <macogw> ok it doesnt like the wildcards...
[07:26] <macogw> guesserit: ctrl alt click & drap
[07:26] <RAOF> guesserit: You can either wait for your desktop-effects package to get updated. (The patch to fix the "enable cube" button was recently accepted)
[07:26] <macogw> s/drap/drag
[07:26] <macogw> or use beryl
[07:26] <Jordan_U> guesserit: ctrl + alt + arrow keys to switch workspaces, drag the mouse to have fun :)
[07:26] <RAOF> Or Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right/Up
[07:26] <macogw> because compiz is still busted on feisty
[07:27] <RAOF> macogw: That's news to me.  In what way busted?
[07:27] <macogw> in that clicking the "cube" checkmark doesnt actually do anything
[07:27] <guesserit> switch workpace works but i see no cube
[07:27] <RAOF> guesserit: Or, if you don't want to wait for the new desktop-effects package to reach your repository, you can do the config manually
[07:27] <macogw> well it could be that my gconf is still misbehaving
[07:28] <RAOF> You want to change some settings in gconf-editor, specifically /apps/compiz/general/screen0/hsize (to 4) and number_of_desktops (to 1)
[07:28] <macogw> scoates: ok snd_hda_intel is the top of the "tree" so killing that should kill the rest, i would think
[07:28] <macogw> scoates: though ACTUALLY, what exactly is your sound problem
[07:28] <scoates> macogw: I'd love to, but rmmod thinks it's in use
[07:29] <scoates> no audio output
[07:29] <scoates> mixer still works
[07:29] <macogw> because i have snd_hda_intel and on random boots it doesnt work
[07:29] <scoates> (theoretically)
[07:29] <macogw> sometimes i'll boot with sound and sometimes without
[07:29] <macogw> though i know what fixes it
[07:29] <scoates> yeah.. that might happen too. I haven't noticed as much as on resume.
[07:29] <scoates> (this worked on Edgy)
[07:30] <macogw> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:30] <scoates> ... and I noticed that my soundcard is exremely noisy, now.. wasn't like this on edgy.
[07:30] <macogw> that's the one i have...it would sometimes work sometimes not on dapper, edgy, and feisty...
[07:30] <RAOF> guesserit: Is that help enough?  Have you got cube?
[07:30] <guesserit> i dual boot xp and feisty, i want to replicate firefox (addons,bookmarks) in feisty, but how?
[07:30] <scoates> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[07:30] <Jordan_U> http://trogdoor.googlepages.com/Screenshot-Install.png <--- Does this mean it won't sync the AIM contacts?
[07:30] <scoates> guesserit: you can copy your ff profile over
[07:30] <guesserit> ok, how?
[07:31] <scoates> find it, and just copy the whole directory
[07:31] <scoates> I don't remember where, but you can probably poke around in Application Data and ~/.mozilla or ~/.firefox (whatever it is now)
[07:31] <macogw> scoates: you can try putting options snd-hda-intel model=m2-2
[07:31] <macogw>  in /etc/modules
[07:32] <scoates> ok
[07:32] <scoates> what's m2-2 ?
[07:33] <Jordan_U> Because AIM is instaled on that user and according to http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta the contacts should be transferred.
[07:33] <guesserit> (no cube)
[07:33] <guesserit> how is the profile called?
[07:34] <guesserit> would it be in the program files/firefox?
[07:34] <scoates> guesserit:  it's be something weird like jk34crwh.default
[07:34] <scoates> no, it would be in C:\Documents and Settings\<your username>\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox (or something close to that)
[07:35] <scoates> http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/profile
[07:36] <guesserit> ok i just copied the whole file, where do i paste it in feisty?
[07:36] <scoates> macogw: thanks for your help. I'm going to reboot now and then probably go to sleep.
[07:36] <Jordan_U> http://trogdoor.googlepages.com/Screenshot-Install.png <--- Does this mean that Ubiquity won't sync the AIM contacts?
[07:36] <scoates> guesserit: that page shows where, too
[07:36] <guesserit> thanks
[07:39] <torpedo|dog> Is there any way to get effects working on an ATI Mobility Radeon X1600? If I turn Option Composite on, I get sent back to VESA-land.
[07:44] <guesserit> i can t find where to paste the profile file in feisty
[07:45] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: Welcome to the joy of the fglrx drivers.
[07:45] <alka_trasg> I wonder if Dell will pre-install ubuntu.
[07:45] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: You need to use XGL: wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager/Xgl
[07:48] <torpedo|dog> RAOF: yeah, I love my Thinkpad 'xcept for that.
[07:48] <torpedo|dog> ta for the help
[07:51] <guesserit> know anything about drivers for alps touchpads?
[08:00] <unikuser> after updating  my ubuntu to feisty beta, my opera is dumping core. anyone else having same problem?
[08:04] <DanaG> New version of QT?
[08:05] <guesserit> know how to launch the immigration manager from feisty desktop????
[08:05] <unikuser> may be i'm trying to downgrade qt
[08:05] <guesserit> migration manager that is
[08:05] <unikuser> but, all other qt,kde application are working good.
[08:06] <RAOF> guesserit: You can't.  Migration-assistant is only on install, for the moment.
[08:06] <guesserit> damn! so how can i share my settings (addons,bookmarks) with feisty from my dual boot xp?
[08:07] <guesserit> the migration manager never showed up when i updated from edgy
[08:07] <macogw> guesserit: its only if you fresh install
[08:08] <guesserit> so there are no way to do it...
[08:10] <dougb> i see they have sped up the servers that feisty repo's are on
[08:10] <guesserit> anyway to make the general fonts look like the windows ones?
[08:14] <Quinn_Storm> anyone seen any bugs with networking lately?  specifically after the latest round of updates, I can't get wireless up under any kernel (with the same exact drivers I was using flawlessly before), running ifconfig eth1 up hangs for ~30 seconds then fails with a firmware load error
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> Quinn_Storm: anything blacklisted in modprobe?
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> what card are you using?
[08:29] <Quinn_Storm> its not the driver (same driver is loading, bcm43xx), nothing about the kernel has changed, its still my custom(vanilla) 2.6.21-rc5-git10
[08:30] <Sebastian> I have the problem that my wireless connection is not automatically established (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/96861). But it works manually (iwconfig/ifconfig).
[08:30] <ubotu> Malone bug 96861 in network-manager "Wireless connection not activated after boot/login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> ah, running okay. hmm, maybe an issue of regression. can't be sure...is everything listed in /etc/interfaces
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> blah, can't think straight. going to bed. sorry I can't be more helpful
[08:34] <dougb> there is no sound in feisty
[08:34] <DanaG> One funny thing about fonts:
[08:35] <dougb> last week, i had feisty installed through updates and the sound was fine, now there is no sound what so ever
[08:35] <DanaG> I love the Xorg subpixel hinting; I can't stand Cleartype once I've gotten used to Freetype.
[08:35] <RAOF> !bug | dougb
[08:35] <ubotu> dougb: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:35] <RAOF> Everybody loves regressions!
[08:36] <dougb> serious, this is too bad
[08:37] <RAOF> dougb: Then let the devs know.  They'll *want* to know about regressions (it worked before, doesn't now).
[08:37] <RAOF> That means you need to file a bug.
[08:37] <dougb> yeah i will
[08:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and My issue: http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=4579
[08:38] <DanaG> I like 2.6.21 -- I can turn my backlight entirely OFF, just for the helluvit.
[08:39] <Quinn_Storm> 2.6.21-rc5-git10 does two things for me
[08:39] <Quinn_Storm> #1 - the bcm43xx driver WORKS on my 4311, and also #2 - it actually suspends/resumes!
[08:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I just remembered:
[08:39] <RAOF> Quinn_Storm: Good, important reasons :)
[08:39] <DanaG> I found a script that kills and restarts Beryl on suspend and resume.
[08:39] <dougb> Quinn_Storm: are you using it with ubuntu feisty? or another distro?
[08:40] <DanaG> Now my suspend is MORE reliable than XP!
[08:40] <DanaG> If I put XP in sleep, it'll randomly wake up and freeze some time later, for no apparent reason.
[08:40] <Quinn_Storm> yeah I don't need that myself
[08:40] <RAOF> DanaG: That's because it's trying to go to hibernate.
[08:40] <RAOF> You're probably not using nvidia drivers, then.
[08:40] <dougb> if i recall the only distro i see using 2.6.21 is opensuse 10.3
[08:41] <DanaG> I AM using NVIDIA, though.
[08:41] <DanaG> Now if only I could get back transparent cube....
[08:41] <RAOF> Oh, that was to Quinn_Storm.  I kinda gathered the you used nvidia DanaG, 'cause you have to kill Beryl on suspend :)
[08:41] <dougb> DanaG: you get the hibernate/suspend troubles because you have software using OpenGL open when you try to hibernate
[08:41] <DanaG> and get Magic Lamp 3 on min/max.
[08:42] <dougb> that is why you have to kill beryl, which you don't necissarily have to kill it, just have it switch to metacity
[08:42] <RAOF> dougb: For the record, switching to metacity will kill beryl.
[08:42] <dougb> i know lol
[08:42] <chable> Festy crashes if JMicron is present
[08:42] <dougb> DanaG: what distro are you using?
[08:43] <chable> Feisty* even
[08:43] <DanaG> Feisty.
[08:43] <dougb> you compiled the kernel from source?
[08:43] <DanaG> What's odd is that the script doesn't actually kill beryl until AFTER I resume, yet it still somehow works.
[08:44] <bullgard4> !Ekiga | bullgard4
[08:45] <DanaG> Oh, another thing 2.6.21 gives me (but now it's been fixed):
[08:45] <DanaG> Kernel panic on magic-sysrq-K
[08:45] <DanaG> Lovely.
[08:45] <RAOF> DanaG: I'm not sure that that's *totally* weird.  Its just that nvidia doesn't properly restore the textures on resume, isn't it?
[08:45] <DanaG> I went back to the packaged kernel for that reason.
[08:45] <bullgard4> Can you advise me a tutorial on Ekiga, hopefully a long one.
[08:47] <DanaG> Time for me to go to bed.
[09:01] <DanaG> http://www.ookla.com/speedtest/index.php
[09:39] <stone123> !info opera feisty
[09:39] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in feisty
[09:42] <nobodyLV> problem: I have HDD with 2 partitions. Both ext3. First I can mount, second can not! Error:
[09:42] <nobodyLV> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, missing codepage or other error
[09:42] <nobodyLV> have any advice?
[09:42] <Amaranth> check dmesg
[09:43] <nobodyLV> [ 3845.772237]  Buffer I/O error on device sdb2, logical block 12435
[09:43] <nobodyLV> [ 3845.772245]  Buffer I/O error on device sdb2, logical block 12436
[09:43] <nobodyLV> [ 3845.772250]  Buffer I/O error on device sdb2, logical block 12437
[09:43] <nobodyLV> [ 3845.772256]  Buffer I/O error on device sdb2, logical block 12438
[09:43] <nobodyLV> [ 3845.772261]  Buffer I/O error on device sdb2, logical block 12439
[09:44] <Amaranth> hmm
[09:44] <Amaranth> HD dying?
[09:44] <nobodyLV> no way ;)
[09:44] <zdzichuBG> look so
[09:44] <zdzichuBG> check cables
[09:45] <zdzichuBG> smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sdb
[09:45] <nobodyLV> only I use it to connect to windows with windows ext2fs driver
[09:45] <stone123> game over man , game over
[09:45] <nobodyLV> !info smartctl feisty
[09:46] <ubotu> Package smartctl does not exist in feisty
[09:46] <stone123> its in some sys-tools
[09:46] <nobodyLV> found :)
[09:46] <nobodyLV> smartmontools
[09:47] <stone123> @pony nobodyLV
[09:48] <Amaranth> "Device does not support SMART"
[09:48] <Amaranth> eep
[09:48] <Amaranth> what does SATA use?
[09:50] <zdzichuBG> Amaranth: "-d ata"
[09:50] <Amaranth> oops :P
[09:53] <nobodyLV> can anybody look at smartctl report? http://work.nobody.lv/hdd
[09:56] <Sebastian> It's dead, Jim.
[09:56] <nobodyLV> Whos Jim?
[09:56] <zdzichuBG> yup, serious errors in log
[09:56] <nobodyLV> fuck
[09:57] <nobodyLV> are there any testing tools?
[09:57] <nobodyLV> for hdd
[09:57] <Amaranth> that was a testing tool
[09:57] <Amaranth> it tells you your HD is dead
[09:57] <Amaranth> backup what you can
[09:58] <nobodyLV> but why only one partition?
[09:58] <Amaranth> the other one will probably go soon
[09:58] <Amaranth> you just happened to get corruption of a superblock on partition 2
[10:00] <nobodyLV> I need backup data :(
[10:07] <Nrrd> am I on the right track here?  I have a via epia ex board and I'm having problems with the framebuffer at boot, I've compiled the via framebuffer driver and addeed that to /etc/modules but it still doesnt work on boot but does work when I shut down.  do I need to create a custome initrd file with this module in it to get framebuffer working at boot?
[10:08] <elmargol> Hi I have Bug #103210 can someone help me?
[10:08] <ubotu> Malone bug 103210 in linux-source-2.6.20 "ipw3945 Wifi connection is verry slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103210
[10:16] <Nrrd> or should I be using video=whatever in the grub menu.1st?
[10:18] <CarinArr> question for you... i have a badly broken package.. dpkg -P package says i need to reinstall it first
[10:19] <CarinArr> but trying to reinstall it crashes as well
[10:20] <jshadias> i have rhythmbox and banshee crashing or in banshee's case randomly skipping over songs and in rhythmbox's case heavy stuttering whenever i maximize windows
[10:20] <jshadias> *not maximize, but un-minimize
[10:20] <acuster> is there a page somewhere describing the change from /dev/hd* to /dev/sd* ?
[10:21] <stone123> udev
[10:22] <stone123> !uuid
[10:22] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:22] <acuster> thanks
[10:23] <stone123> np , i still did get alot info from that page
[10:24] <acuster> do you know if /dev/sd* will remain canonical for a while?
[10:25] <acuster> it's a lot easier for scripts
[10:25] <stone123> offcourse uuid are just link
[10:25] <stone123> s
[10:26] <saispo> hi
[10:27] <LGKeiz> O_o;
[10:28] <acuster> ah, thanks
[10:35] <Mena> Hey
[10:35] <Mena> By accident The upgrader tool closed
[10:35] <Mena> is there any wrong if i made an update then an upgrade with terminal
[10:36] <Mena> !?
[10:41] <MarkFeathers> What is a good replacement for vnc (I keep hearing about vnc4server breakage)
[10:42] <Mena> By accident The upgrader tool closed
[10:42] <Mena> is there any wrong if i made an update then an upgrade with terminal ?
[10:43] <Mena> Lets try again
[10:43] <Mena> By accident The upgrader tool closed
[10:43] <Mena> is there any wrong if i made an update then an upgrade with terminal ?
[10:48] <decaf> hi, on feisty, when I enable desktop effects, window decorations dissappear. do I have to install something like emerald for compiz?
[10:50] <MarkFeathers> decaf: in your xorg make sure that in screen there is "defaultdepth = 24"
[10:51] <decaf> thanks, I'll try
[10:52] <MarkFeathers> !vnc
[10:52] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[10:56] <Mena>  !FreeNX
[10:56] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[10:56] <Mena> !Hello
[10:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hello - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:56] <Mena> !Hello !
[10:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hello ! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <Mena> !ping
[10:57] <ubotu> pong
[10:57] <Mena> !ping
[10:57] <Mena> !ping
[10:57] <Mena> !pong
[10:57] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[10:58] <Mena> !ping
[10:58] <ubotu> pong
[10:58] <Mena> !games
[10:58] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[11:10] <poningru> ...
[11:12] <mosi|work> anyone having problems connecting to vnc servers in gnome-rdp?
[11:12] <mosi|work> connecting using gnome-rdp i get the tightvnc parameteres dialog up :/
[11:12] <mosi|work> but running vncviewer x.x.x.x or /usr/bin/xtightviewer x.x.x.x both work and connect :/
[11:14] <mosi|work> anyone else had a problem like this?
[11:15] <Linoleum> hi
[11:16] <Linoleum> I try to boot with my dmraid but it stops ... then I wait 5 minutes, and I am in busybox. I do dmraid -ay, them my raid is being seen... but what shoud I do to restart the boot sequence then ?
[11:18] <g1_> hello, gentlemen. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14015/ is there some way to make opera work again?
[11:27] <Suurorca> hmmh, interesting bootup =p
[11:27] <Suurorca> started splash and then fell back to regular console input
[11:28] <Suurorca> though it worked allright =)
[11:32] <iarwain> hi guys, anyone know why i get an 'failed to open control connection to wpa_supplicant' when using wpa_gui using Feisty?
[11:35] <iarwain> anyone here? =)
[11:39] <poningru> iarwain: hmm?
[11:40] <iarwain> poningru: rofl xD
[11:40] <iarwain> poningru: you know why i get that error? or how to solve it?
[11:40] <poningru> we can try to figure it out...
[11:40] <poningru> but why the rofl?
[11:41] <iarwain> poningru: i thought you answered on the 'anyone here' question =)
[11:41] <poningru> oh hehe
[11:41] <poningru> ok so this happens everytime?
[11:42] <poningru> does dmesg show any errors?
[11:42] <iarwain> poningru: i never had wireless on that machine before (i'm sitting right next to it)
[11:42] <iarwain> poningru: gonna see
[11:42] <poningru> ah hmm
[11:42] <poningru> iarwain: oh crap
[11:42] <poningru> iarwain: are you sure your card can do wpa?
[11:43] <iarwain> poningru: i am sure (had it before, it's a ipw3945, the same one i am using on the other laptop)
[11:43] <iarwain> poningru: dmesg shows no errors at all
[11:43] <poningru> oh hmm
[11:44] <poningru> go into terminal and reinstall wpa_supplicant
[11:44] <poningru> or not
[11:44] <poningru> go into terminal and reinstall wpa_supplicant
[11:45] <iarwain> sorry, internet falls away most of the time ^o)
[11:45] <iarwain> okay
[11:45] <iarwain> done
[11:45] <iarwain> stil the error
[11:46] <poningru> when do you get this error?
[11:46] <iarwain> when i start wpa_gui
[11:47] <poningru> waah?
[11:47] <poningru> wpa_gui?
[11:48] <iarwain> yes
[11:48] <poningru> why arent you using network manager?
[11:48] <iarwain> does that work? last time i tried i couldn't get the thing working..
[11:48] <poningru> ... are you using feisty?
[11:48] <iarwain> i am
[11:48] <poningru> then it should have been working out of the box
[11:49] <poningru> on the top right hand corner
[11:49] <poningru> click on it
[11:49] <iarwain> it didn't work with edgy, so i tried Feisty
[11:49] <poningru> and click on your signal
[11:49] <iarwain> i'm using KDE ;)
[11:49] <iarwain> just gonna install it
[11:49] <poningru> oh
[11:49] <poningru> ...
[11:49] <iarwain> brb
[11:49] <poningru> waah?
[11:49] <poningru> knetwork manager should be there
[11:50] <iarwain> i removed when trying 'connection manager' on Dapper
[11:50] <poningru> ah
[11:52] <iarwain> *hugs poningru*
[11:52] <iarwain> it works now
[11:52] <iarwain> thanks! =)
[11:52] <poningru> cool
[11:52] <poningru> yep
[11:52] <iarwain> now.. problem 2 xD
[11:53] <iarwain> i don't have any keyboard layouts anymore.. (quite annoying)
[11:53] <poningru> ?
[11:53] <poningru> system->pref->keyboard
[11:53] <iarwain> nothing :s
[11:53] <poningru> what does it say?
[11:53] <poningru> under layouts
[11:54] <iarwain> i'm using a non-english version.. but it doesn't show me any options to choose from..
[11:54] <poningru> iarwain: click on add
[11:54] <poningru> pwnt
[11:55] <iarwain> i'm using a non-english version.. but it doesn't show me any options to choose from..
[11:55] <iarwain> stupid dc's :s
[11:57] <iarwain> back again..
[11:57] <iarwain> so,
[11:57] <iarwain> i get no layouts to choose from..
[11:58] <poningru> just click on add dude
[11:58] <iarwain> ;o
[11:58] <poningru> there is an add button right there
[11:58] <poningru> buh?
[11:58] <iarwain> but i don't have any available
[11:58] <iarwain> none to choose from -_-'
[11:58] <iarwain> i can't even choose a keyboardmodel
[11:59] <acuster> hey all, when I open a .text file I get an error dialog. Is there a way to make that extension acceptable to ubuntu?
[12:01] <poningru> iarwain: hmm that is weird
[12:02] <phaidros> .
[12:08] <agresor> cedega shows me this err msg : FTL:   Cannot load GPU programs. (Error reading from file.)ERR:
[12:08] <mat__> hi there
[12:08] <agresor> how to fix this please
[12:08] <agresor> ?
[12:08] <mat__> anyone runs opera?
[12:09] <phaidros> agresor: sry, never seenthis before
[12:09] <mat__> no opera in feisty ?
[12:09] <phaidros> mat__ I run opera :)
[12:09] <phaidros> runs fine
[12:09] <mat__> oh?
[12:09] <agresor> phaidros,  i want to start SeriuSam2 with cedega
[12:09] <agresor> and i cant  :(
[12:09] <agresor> i got that err msg: (
[12:09] <mat__> mine disapears when upgrade
[12:10] <phaidros> agresor: try #cedega or #wine
[12:10] <oooops> if anyone use opera here ????????????
[12:10] <mat__> did u upgrade to feisty ?
[12:10] <DarkMageZ> agresor, please ask the cedega people for help with cedega.
[12:10] <phaidros> mat__: yes
[12:10] <phaidros> mat__: do you have the commercial repo from canonical?
[12:10] <oooops> none use opera???
 i don't know
[12:10] <DarkMageZ> oooops, i can install it, why?
[12:11] <oooops> DarkMageZ: you can ?
[12:11] <mat__> i check sources.list
[12:11] <mosi|work> oooops,  i do
[12:11] <oooops> download from opera.com?
[12:11] <phaidros> ah since last update I get segfault on opara also
[12:11] <mosi|work> i got mine from opera.com yea
[12:11] <oooops> but only edgy version here . mosi|work
[12:11] <phaidros> libjvm.so & libawt.so missing for opera
[12:11] <mosi|work> just got the ubuntu 6.10 edgy eft version
[12:12] <mosi|work> works fine for me, no problems at all
[12:12] <oooops> just need those two so. phaidros
[12:12] <oooops> oooo. isee
[12:12] <mosi|work> i guess they'll release a feisty version when its released as stable
[12:12] <phaidros> oooops: yeah, but that should'nt break if everything is from feisty repos :)
[12:12] <phaidros> should then be a depency, and worked before .. just the last upgrade broke it
[12:13] <oooops> mosi|work: if you use 9.20 version?
[12:13] <phaidros> mat__: start opera from terminal and see if its the same problem
[12:13] <mosi|work> Version
[12:13] <mosi|work> 9.10
[12:13] <mosi|work> Build
[12:13] <mosi|work> 521
[12:13] <oooops> ok, thanks
[12:13] <mosi|work> been using this one since fesity beta was first released
 the same as oooops "seg fault"
[12:14] <oooops> my 9.20b always segamenter error. haha .
[12:14] <oooops> now i return to 9.10. thanks all.
[12:14] <phaidros> oooops: I dunno which packages the libs are in.
[12:15] <mosi|work> where is the opera changelog?
[12:15] <phaidros> Opera 9.10 . Build 521 for Linux. gets segfault here
[12:15] <oooops> ?
[12:15] <oooops> opera-static??
[12:16] <mosi|work> oooops, http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=183923
[12:16] <mosi|work> have a look at that
[12:16] <oooops> mosi|work: if you got a opera-static.....ok
[12:16] <phaidros> oooops: not the static, the other on :)
[12:16] <oooops> no opera. now irssi is so hard... haha
[12:17] <phaidros> irssi is not hard :)
[12:18] <phaidros> oh, I removed opera and now can't reinstall it from repos, package not found //
[12:18] <phaidros> ??
[12:19] <phaidros> there is just the virtual opera package in the repos.
[12:19] <phaidros> and no real install package ..
[12:19] <phaidros> maybe comes in the next hours
[12:19] <shirish> guys anbody remember a command which lists where the contents of a package are installed?
[12:20] <phaidros> apt-file ?
[12:20] <LjL> shirish: dpkg -L package
[12:20] <phaidros> ah
[12:20] <LjL> yeah, if you don't have the package installed, then use apt-file
[12:20] <phaidros> ok
[12:20] <shirish> thnx LjL :)
[12:21] <oooops> mosi|work: you downgrade to libx11-6_2%3a1.0.3-6_i386.deb?
[12:22] <mosi|work> i didnt need to no
[12:22] <oooops> oo
[12:22] <mosi|work> but ive only used opera 9.10
[12:22] <oooops> i see. thanks
[12:22] <mosi|work> i think its when you upgrade to 9.20 then it messes up
[12:22] <mosi|work> and also when you go back from 9.20 to 9.10
[12:22] <mosi|work> but if you stay at 9.10 its fine
[12:23] <oooops> now i download 9.10.
[12:26] <oooops> opera-9.10-20061214.6-shared-qt.i386-en-521$  ./opera
[12:26] <oooops> Segmentation fault
[12:26] <oooops> sad
[12:27] <oooops> Segmentation fault
[12:27] <oooops> opera-9.20-20070323.1-static-qt.i386-en-617$  ./opera
[12:27] <oooops> 2 all fail
[12:28] <phaidros> is there some missing libs or so? (if you start it in the terminal you should see)
[12:30] <oooops> libx11-6 how to downgrade?
[12:31] <oooops> i got a libx11-6_1.0.3-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[12:31] <oooops> 2:1.1.1-1ubuntu3 is installed. want down to 1.0.3
[12:35] <leagris> helo
[12:37] <leagris> I have a bootchart showing syslogd taking 20s idle. I'd like to know how to improove this or if I should provide that info somewhere ?
[12:37] <leagris> Here is my bootchart http://www.noiraude.net/img/feisty-20070404-3.png
[12:40] <Arko> how can I generate a bootchart like that
[12:40] <Arko> ?
[12:42] <oooops> mosi|work: i downgrade to 1.0.3 libx11. now seems ok.
[12:43] <oooops> all version of opera is ok. hehe .
[12:43] <leagris> Arko, just install the bootchart package and it wil be there at next boot
[12:43] <Arko> leagris: thanks
[12:44] <leagris> png charts are stored in /var/log/bootchart/
[12:46] <Arko> okay
[12:56] <Infecto> hello
[12:56] <Infecto> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14021/
[12:56] <Infecto> pls tell me should i report this as bug ? or thats the problem of my settings ?
[12:57] <Infecto> i`v got 5 sucha events from 49 min
[01:01] <finalbeta> Infecto: i've seen simular reports, my Laptop takes 10 minutes to boot due to those kind of errors
[01:02] <finalbeta> just search launchpad,
[01:02] <finalbeta> the disk probably supports something better then UDMA/33 2
[01:03] <Infecto> yes
[01:05] <Infecto> but is there a vaxine for this ?
[01:06] <finalbeta> Search launchpad, there was no fix for me, Ubuntu simply doesn't work anymore on my laptop. It's reported...
[01:07] <finalbeta> But there are others with similar issues, perhaps there are fixes.
[01:21] <gnomefreak> anyone seen the nvidia geforce card + upgrade issue in the last week or so
[01:21] <gnomefreak> geforce4 card sorry
[01:28] <mattik> Is grub yet unstable? My booting is halted some times with sata-drive.
[01:31] <sonoftheclayr> is it normal for my sound to be spontaneous and stop working?
[01:35] <VirhYl3> Hi, anyone wanna help me make a launcher for a game that runs in wine?
[01:35] <pschulz01> greetings
[01:35] <VirhYl3> I'm getting the error: Can't open default.cfg
[01:35] <VirhYl3> for Urban Terror, stand alone.
[01:35] <VirhYl3> Greetings.
[01:39] <pschulz01> Anyone else having problems with installing openssh-server.. not the most resent.. 1:4.3p2-5ubuntu1 instead of 1:4.3p2-8ubuntu1
[01:44] <pschulz01> Can someone do an 'apt-cache show openssh-server | grep Version' in feisty
[01:44] <mosi|work> Version: 1:4.3p2-8ubuntu1
[01:45] <pschulz01> Ok, maybe my sources are still updating.
[01:46] <pschulz01> mosi|work: That what the website was saying as well..
[01:47] <[doctor] > hi... can anybody say about last kernel in 7.04.... 2.6.20-14 released?
[02:08] <[doctor] > thanks... very friendly ubunru.... /me returns to archlinux
[02:12] <gerv> Installing the Feisty beta has bricked my IBM X40 laptop :-(
[02:12] <gerv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[02:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[02:13] <gerv> SJR said to upgrade to the latest versions of certain packages.
[02:13] <gerv> How do I do that when I'm booted using a LiveCD?
[02:19] <elmargol> gerv: mount the device, chroot, and apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[02:20] <zerogrounding> this is about feisty??
[02:20] <elmargol> yes
[02:21] <zerogrounding> oh,, sounds good
[02:21] <gerv> How do I chroot? Man chroot?
[02:21] <zerogrounding> anybody knows some special about feisty compared with edgy
[02:22] <elmargol> chroot /mnt/fooo/bar
[02:22] <gerv> Cool.
[02:23] <gerv> Ah. Only 135 packages...
[02:23] <gerv> Thanks, chaps.
[02:25] <pschulz01> mosi|work: I think I have found my problem!
[02:25] <Pici> zerogrounding: Special?
[02:25] <zerogrounding> Picii : yes
[02:26] <zerogrounding> now i use edgy
[02:26] <zerogrounding> and i have plant to migrate to feisty
[02:29] <coz_> well the last updates to feisty included a gtk2 engine which , of course, is attached to ubuntu-desktop, and which of course has messed up my entire visual look and the theme I use. so if youguys insist on attaching things to ubuntu-desktop please give a work around to be able to remove it with the removal of ubuntu-dektop
[02:29] <coz_> without the removal of ubuntu-desktop I meant
[02:32] <JuJuBee> Can anybody help me with syntax for mounting remote home dir using uid different than the one on my computer?
[02:32] <JuJuBee> I know I need the -U option, but everything I enter tells me no such partition.
[02:39] <jin> hi
[02:40] <jin> please fix the wireless module problem for the chipset rt2500 before you guys release Feisty.
[02:40] <SlimeyPete> jin: have you filed a bug? This is mostly a support/discussion channel - there isn't much development talk here
[02:41] <bdgraue> i try to mount an external hdd with ntfs-partition; i have following error:  hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[02:41] <jin> SlimeyPete, they already have fired this bug long ago
[02:41] <zerogrounding> jin : i have same experience with you
[02:41] <jin> I'm doing a workaround to get online :(
[02:41] <jin> it was working perfect on dapper
[02:41] <zerogrounding> maybe you can try to ubuntuforum
[02:42] <zerogrounding> i ever shown that tutorial
[02:42] <jin> zerogrounding, I have , all of them are using the workaround right now :)
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> bdgraue, sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /media/ntfs -t ntfs
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> ?
[02:43] <zerogrounding> somebody know how to search samba server and access them on my ubuntu
[02:44] <bdgraue> nomasteryoda: the external hdd is shown in filemanager and i try to mount it from there
[02:51] <gerv> I've been told to "set the bug back to Confirmed". Does a standard launchpad account have that ability? Which knob do I twiddle?
[02:53] <gerv> Never mind - found it.
[02:53] <gerv> Thanks, everyone.
[02:56] <boojit> hi: quick question about dmesg output since its output differs from the linux distro that I'm used to. The timestamp (first field) is then number of wallclock seconds since bootstrap, correct?
[03:03] <boojit> that's what it appears to be from the look of it, just wanted to confirm
[03:06] <boojit> if anyone is around -- i'm trying to pull information together for a bug report I want to file -- and would like to just check with someone who's knowledgeable about filing bugs to make sure I do a good job.
[03:07] <cliebow>     anyone using ldap in feisty.id like to compare prems on /var/run?
[03:09] <boojit> wow when did the lauchpad bugs app get all super-tiny with the fonts -- that's sort of annoying
[03:31] <foxiness> anyone test intype + wine ?
[03:38] <shirish> hi all
[03:39] <shirish> does anybody where my firefox config file is installed?
[03:40] <_4strO> shirish: ~/.mozilla/firefox/profile.defaut/
[03:41] <_4strO> it's a hidden file i think
[03:41] <Flosoft> hey
[03:41] <_4strO> yo
[03:41] <Pici> Mines <randomstring>.default
[03:41] <Flosoft> I have got a problem with some packages in feisty
[03:41] <mosi|work> !games
[03:41] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[03:41] <Flosoft> http://pastebin.ca/425391
[03:43] <Flosoft> these packages constantly fail
[03:45] <shirish> guys if I want to re-install FF what would the command be. I wanna repair my FF
[03:46] <CarinArr> Flosoft: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpid/+bug/63450 ?
[03:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 63450 in acpid "acpid install fails, upgrading from dapper to edgy beta." [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:46] <shirish> would it be sudo apt-get/aptitude re-install firefox
[03:46] <CarinArr> hmm dapper to edgy?
[03:46] <_4strO> shirish: sudo apt-get remove firefox && rm -R ~/.mozilla/
[03:47] <Flosoft> well .. it is edgy > feisty
[03:47] <CarinArr> Flosoft: does the proposed fix there work for you though?
[03:47] <Flosoft> not dapper to edgy
[03:47] <Flosoft> checking ...
[03:47] <CarinArr> Flosoft: i gathered.. i didn't notice it saying dapper to edgy until i'd already pasted you it;)
[03:48] <shirish> _4strO: doing that also gets rid of ubuntu-desktop, I do not want that
[03:48] <Flosoft> worked :D
[03:48] <CarinArr> cool
[03:48] <CarinArr> \o/
[03:48] <CarinArr> heh
[03:49] <Flosoft> ok ... now I still have: http://pastebin.ca/425402
[03:50] <Flosoft> the other bug should be fixed for feisty
[03:52] <Flosoft> !console-setup
[03:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about console-setup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <Flosoft> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/102972
[03:54] <ubotu> Malone bug 102972 in console-setup "console-setup does not upgrade from edgy to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[03:54] <assasukasse> i have problems connectiong to vnc tru ssh, i load vnc as a xorg module, i used the "localhost" option to accept only local connections, then i ssh -L 5901:target:5900 user@target and try to connect tru xvncviewer but i only see a windows with 3 boxes, options about the clipboard
[03:54] <assasukasse> what can i do
[04:03] <Flosoft> or any idea what is wrong with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/102316
[04:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 102316 in k3b "K3B disables DMA" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:08] <Nookie^> hi! trying to install feisty but cant load X i mean i can but it takes 2 hours before even seeing cursor... is there any way to install feisty with old fashion way like 5.04?
[04:08] <shirish> !info console-setup
[04:08] <ubotu> console-setup: Setup the font and the keyboard on the console. In component main, is important. Version 1.13ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 429 kB, installed size 1148 kB
[04:08] <shirish> Flosoft: just for u
[04:12] <valehru> Hi there guys, for some reason I no longer have any sound on my laptop...wtf..
[04:12] <Subhuman> Nookie^, - yes- feisty has an altenative install CD just like all other releases
[04:12] <valehru> what packages should be installed for sound?
[04:13] <Subhuman> valehru, if you already had it - then you shouldnt need to install something.
[04:13] <valehru> alsa-base is already installed....but still nothing.
[04:13] <valehru> well...I had it..
[04:13] <Subhuman> and your 100% sure its not muted or something stupid?
[04:13] <Nookie^> Subhuman: how whats the command or what do i choose?
[04:13] <Subhuman> run alsamixer and check
[04:13] <Subhuman> Nookie^, - you need to get the alternative install iso.
[04:13] <valehru> Subhuman, I removed alsa.....then in order to get the sound working for the headphones I had to manually re-install alsa.
[04:13] <Nookie^> Subhuman: okej m8.. thanx!
[04:14] <Subhuman> valehru, oh so you removed some stuff - try "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[04:14] <bdgraue> is there a way, that external hdd's with ntfs get handled like others (vfat or ext3)?
[04:15] <valehru> Subhuman, its already installed.
[04:15] <bdgraue> and is it that hard to overwrite an dvd-rw with a dvd-video and use the dvd for datafiles?
[04:15] <valehru> Subhuman, nothing to upgrade.
[04:15] <bdgraue> i had to force it to format the dvd new
[04:15] <shirish> anybody has any idea when feisty+1 will start, any names or any idea about that?
[04:15] <valehru> Im getting the error in the command line: ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'
[04:15] <valehru> ALSA lib conf.c:3500:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: No such device
[04:16] <valehru> ALSA lib conf.c:3968:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device
[04:17] <Subhuman> shirish, better asking in #ubuntu-dev or #ubuntu-motu - but i believe its going to be called "greedy goose" ?
[04:17] <shirish> lol: I guess you are making that up, although it would be a real cool name
[04:18] <Subhuman> i have heard the name mentioned - no joke.
[04:18] <Subhuman> but it wasnt some verifiable source so i cant say thats the name.,
[04:18] <valehru> Subhuman, heard that too on Slashdot
[04:21] <VirhYl3> Makes sense.  Sine Feisty is kicking serious Vista ass already... :D
[04:21] <Hobbsee> unless you find it announced on an official ubuntu devel mailing list, or ubuntu announce, it's not correct.
[04:21] <VirhYl3> What if I go down on Mark Shuttleworth?
[04:22] <SlimeyPete> I reckon they should call it Englebert.
[04:23] <valehru> perhaps VistaKiller II
[04:23] <Pici> The only 'G' name thats been released is Grumpy Groundhog, but thats the 'cutting edge' non-release
[04:23] <Pici> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/grumpy-groundhog
[04:24] <Tomcat_> Greedy Goose is at least possible... both words are on the DevelopmentCodeNames wiki page :)
[04:25] <Pici> So is Horny Human, but that doesnt mean ist going to happen
[04:25] <poningru> lol
[04:25] <poningru> Great Gator
[04:26] <shirish> does anybody know how I can use the  Windows key so the Ubuntu Menu opens up?
[04:26] <Tomcat_> Pici: I'm just saying it's more likely, because if those weren't on the list, it'd be an easy fake :)
[04:27] <Tomcat_> shirish: You can.
[04:27] <Tomcat_> shirish: Oh, sorry. :)
[04:27] <shirish> Tomcat_: instructions, please
[04:27] <aaroncampbell> I am using Samba Version: 3.0.24-2ubuntu1  and here is my smb.conf: http://paste-bin.com/11338  ...I can see the computer by browsing the campbell workgroup from a windows computer, but when I double click on it, I get "\\Aaron-linux is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource. ... The account is not authorized to log in from this station."
[04:27] <aaroncampbell> However, I don't have a "hosts allow" option set at all
[04:27] <aaroncampbell> What I ultimately want to do is share one directory that only I can access (either password protected, or limited to a specific list of IPs), and a directory that anyone can browse.
[04:27] <aaroncampbell> Anyone know what might be wrong?
[04:27] <Tomcat_> shirish: I thought it was an "if" question... I have no idea how it works.
[04:28] <shirish> aaroncampbell: if u do not a get an answer try the ##samba channel, people there are also helpful
[04:28] <Tomcat_> aaroncampbell: Did you set your Samba PW and enable your user for Samba?
[04:28] <shirish> Tomcat_: ok cool
[04:28] <Tomcat_> shirish: Have you tried searching the forums? I'm pretty sure somebody already asked this...
[04:28] <aaroncampbell> shirish: it's just one #, and I've tried it for a couple days with 0 response.
[04:29] <shirish> oh ok, I have seen that freenode has been changing some of the channels to ## hence figured that, sorry to know that
[04:29] <aaroncampbell> Tomcat_: Yes I did, but it didn't help.  However, I really want to do this with NO username/pass required.  I have quite a few windows machines around here, with multiple users on some, and I want ANYONE to be able to get to it.
[04:31] <shirish> Tomcat_: Giving using Windows key shows 9 pages but nothing relevant on them.
[04:31] <Tomcat_> shirish: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/use-the-windows-key-for-the-start-menu-in-ubuntu-linux/
[04:33] <shirish> Tomcat_: thnx, got it, I had the keyboard shortcuts figured out but not, which entry it would be
[04:33] <Tomcat_> :-)
[04:34] <teb> so I'm running kubuntu-desktop from an installed ubuntu distro, which i apt-get'd, when i run apt-get it tells me that about 419mb of packages aren't in use and are about to be removed, they're things like libqt4, kontact, kmouse, lots of kthings
[04:34] <teb> (sorry aptitude) i shouldn't let it remove those, right?
[04:35] <SlimeyPete> teb: right.
[04:35] <teb> okay, so now what should i do?
[04:36] <SlimeyPete> does Adept say the same thing?
[04:37] <Tomcat_> teb: Do you have the kubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[04:37] <Stormx2> Can I run an upgrade, yeah?
[04:37] <teb> to get kubuntu-desktop i did a aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:37] <Stormx2> Edgy --> Feisty
[04:39] <teb> adept says nothing about removing packages, but it comes up with errors committing changes when installing packages
[04:39] <Tomcat_> Stormx2: Yes, but remember to back up your data.
[04:39] <teb> is apt-get == adept?
[04:39] <Tomcat_> teb: No, adept is an interface to apt-get
[04:39] <Stormx2> What should I backup?
[04:40] <Stormx2> My /home is on another partition
[04:40] <teb> okay, adept is what i was just using, it said no changes when i hit preview changes
[04:40] <Tomcat_> Stormx2: Whatever important data you have. :)
[04:40] <valehru> Hey guys, is there a reason why feisty is not using alsa-driver-1.0.14rc3 by default?
[04:40] <teb> good call  Tomcat_
[04:40] <Stormx2> It should be safe on another partition methinks ^.^
[04:40] <valehru> Seriously it needs to update its sound drivers....alsa-driver-1.0.14rc3 at least provides support for my headphones on my laptop.
[04:40] <valehru> :)
[04:40] <Tomcat_> Stormx2: I'm just saying to caution people... if you're sure your data is safe, proceed. :)
[04:41] <Stormx2> Yeah
[04:41] <Stormx2> I think it is.
[04:41] <Stormx2> Hmm
[04:41] <Stormx2> I'll take a couple of minutes to check.
[04:41] <teb> if it's not on some removable media it's not safe
[04:41] <SlimeyPete> valehru: mmm, I too have problems which might be fixed if I could install a newer version of Alsa (I cba to mess around with a source-code install)
[04:42] <valehru> SlimeyPete, just install and compile alsa-driver-1.0.14rc3 from source...it sorted out all my problems
[04:42] <valehru> ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.14rc3.tar.bz2
[04:42] <SlimeyPete> yeah, but I've compiled alsa before and it was OK until the package manager overwrote the changes ;)
[04:42] <gils> I am having problems with very slow bootup after last big feisty upgrade  a few days ago
[04:43] <Stormx2> Should I close apps while upgrading?
[04:43] <valehru> gils, you are not the only one...
[04:43] <SlimeyPete> I guess it's better than nothing though, might have a go at it tonight.
[04:43] <SlimeyPete> gils: me too
[04:43] <gils> valeheru: yes i figured so.
[04:43] <valehru> SlimeyPete, yeah, the problem is that alsa is completely tied in with ubuntu-core
[04:43] <teb> Stormx2: doesn't matter
[04:43] <valehru> or ubuntu-minimal.....
[04:43] <SlimeyPete> mine tends to hang around for a while during the "Configuring Network Interfaces" bit
[04:44] <gils> yes....it seems a few people are stuck on that. That is my problem too
[04:44] <boojit> yep I have that too
[04:44] <SlimeyPete> in fact, if I have no physical cable connected it seems to hang indefinitely.
[04:44] <gils> Configuring NICs takes well over a minute
[04:44] <boojit> sticks for like 2 minutes at "configuring network"
[04:44] <valehru> My network is working fine though.....plus I have to re-configure it when I get back into X.
[04:44] <boojit> nothing really showing up in the logs, or ini dmesg either
[04:44] <valehru> On wifi...
[04:45] <boojit> Yeah my networking comes up fine when it comes up
[04:45] <boojit> there's a bug report filed ... i need to add a "me too" with my output
[04:45] <boojit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbase/+bug/102675
[04:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:45] <shirish> boojit: is it wi-fi or wired connection?
[04:46] <gils> i have spent the whole day looking at logs, and network configs....its all fine. I cant figure out why it takes the kernel so long to load up the network config
[04:46] <boojit> I'm using a wireless connection
[04:46] <boojit> I also found a forum post with a possible workaround which I haven't tried -- let me find it
[04:46] <valehru> Whats the difference between nsplugginwrapper and nsplugginwrapper-i386?  Why is there two of them?
[04:46] <boojit> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400926
[04:47] <valehru> both of them are installed....but no flash is working?  Strange because it was fine last night.
[04:47] <boojit> if anybody wants to try that workaround let us know what it does -- i'm going to try later on today
[04:48] <boojit> this is all I see in dmesg:
[04:48] <boojit> [   22.276000]  EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal
[04:48] <boojit> [   23.776000]  NET: Registered protocol family 17
[04:48] <boojit> [  114.928000]  ACPI: AC Adapter [AC]  (on-line)
[04:48] <boojit> so you can just see the lag there between 23. and 114. but no messages anywhere else that I can find
[04:48] <valehru> hmm...Is there a reason why the loopback interface is IPV6 enabled?  I thought I blacklisted that...          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[04:49] <boojit> yeah i have ipv6 blacklisted as well
[04:49] <shirish> boojit: you did not see whether it is wi-fi or wired?
[04:49] <boojit> shirish: not sure what you're asking me
[04:49] <shirish> your network connection, is it wireless or through ethernet?
[04:50] <valehru> is it eth1 or eth0 it is hanging on?
[04:50] <boojit> shirish: as I said earlier, I'm using a wireless connection
[04:50] <valehru> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbase/+bug/102675
[04:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:50] <shirish> boojit: ah that is why I asked, for till now things are pretty sweet
[04:50] <valehru> there is the bug report
[04:50] <boojit> and I've given you _all_ the information that I'm getting from my logs. It's not telling me anyting about what network interface it is
[04:50] <boojit> valehru: I just mentioned that bug report 1 minute ago
[04:51] <valehru> boojit, ahh...I wasnt paying attention....
[04:51] <valehru> :D
[04:51] <boojit> np
[04:51] <shirish> boojit: from what I know, atleast on ethernet if you are connected then while setting it up, it takes the active connection as eth0
[04:52] <shirish> boojit: no idea about wireless though :(
[04:53] <valehru> Im just after seeing a quote on the forums about it: "BTW I consider 58 sec to be quite satisfactory, my suse install takes >2min."
[04:53] <boojit> anyway if anyone tries that possible workaround let us know what you find out -- appears to work for some and not for others.
[04:53] <valehru> Well....at least we aint using suse..
[04:53] <valehru> Not working for me...
[04:54] <valehru> My interfaces file is clean.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that bug
[04:59] <zerogrounding> halo
[04:59] <Hobbsee> boojit: comment out the offending interfaces in /e/n/i - but that may play havoc with NM
[05:03] <b33j0r> Hi, can anyone help me troubleshoot wireless in feisty beta?
[05:03] <valehru> anyone know of a package for wine on feisty for amd64?
[05:04] <limetang> What does isolinux disk error 80 mean?
[05:04] <cliebow>  b33j0r prism2?
[05:04] <b33j0r> what is prism2?
[05:05] <valehru> prism2 is a driver for wifi n'est pas?
[05:05] <valehru> from what i remember.
[05:05] <b33j0r> I'm trying to use ndiswrapper right now...
[05:05] <SlimeyPete> limetang: http://syslinux.zytor.com/archives/2002-August/000738.html
[05:05] <b33j0r> it actually lists ap's and will even associate
[05:06] <eagles0513875> now i keep getting this msg and i cant update or download any pkgs E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) how do i fix this
[05:06] <SlimeyPete> eagles0513875: go into a terminal and type "sudo apt-get -f install"
[05:06] <SlimeyPete> followed by your user password
[05:06] <eagles0513875> even when i am trying to update pkgs
[05:06] <limetang> Hmmm... ok. I suppose the machine's BIOS could be considered outdated (Award 4.51PG). :P
[05:06] <SlimeyPete> (you can click "Fix Broken Packages in Synaptic too but I dunno if that works as well)
[05:06] <limetang> Thank you, SlimeyPete.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> boojit: found it.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: not enough info
[05:07] <eagles0513875> its working now
[05:07] <eagles0513875> i did sudo apt-get -f upgrade
[05:08] <b33j0r> Does anyone know what in general could cause this? I can list AP's, but they all show as 0% strength. I can associate with the one I want, but the networking icon still says no connection and internet does not work. There is no encryption or anything on the AP.
[05:10] <robert_> does anybody have any experience with using ldap as an authentication service?
[05:11] <gils> ok the problem with slow bootup due to network config is indeed in the interfaces file.
[05:11] <gils> i have just tried the workaround at launchpad,
[05:11] <valehru> ok...im getting kicked out of this coffee shop
[05:11] <valehru> later days..
[05:12] <gils> boots normally and no problems with network manager
[05:12] <Hobbsee> valehru: ^
[05:12] <Hobbsee> gils: yep.  see  /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian as to why
[05:13] <gils> thanks
[05:13] <gils> so basically the "interfaces" file should have nothing other than the 'lo' settings
[05:13] <gils> ?
[05:13] <gils> network manager does the rest
[05:13] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:14] <Hobbsee> unless you want dhclient ot manage it, of course
[05:14] <gils> yes
[05:15] <gils> you see, i was afraid that if  i commented out eth0, ath0, etc....that i would have to ifconfig them manually after boot up
[05:15] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:15] <Hobbsee> if you comment out both lines of each interface, nm will manage it
[05:15] <gils> well then why was this change done to the interfaces file to begin with
[05:15] <Hobbsee> ...
[05:16] <Hobbsee> it *wasnt*
[05:16] <gils> i dont follow?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> this has always happened
[05:16] <gils> oh really....
[05:16] <gils> good to know
[05:16] <Hobbsee> dhclient will always hang, if it cant ifup the interface, until it times out
[05:16] <gils> right
[05:17] <Hobbsee> and NM stops it
[05:17] <gils> yes but had just happened after upgrade to cause this hang that everyone is having...?
[05:17] <aaroncampbell> I'm going to be making a shared storage area for all the windows boxes on our network.  Would it be good practice to make a new user, and share their home directory with everyone?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> gils: no idea why everyone's reporting it now - iv'e been getting it for ages
[05:18] <Hobbsee> since edgy beta
[05:18] <SlimeyPete> it only just happened, for me.
[05:18] <gils> i think what happens is that in edgy after you installed NM the interfaces file had nothing but the loopback LO references
[05:19] <gils> with our recent upgrades interfaces file was rewritten with auto config for all devices.....NM i assume gets stuck here?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> but oh well
[05:20] <boojit> Hobbsee: hi, found what?
[05:20] <boojit> sorry I was away for a bit
[05:20] <Hobbsee> boojit: the solution
[05:20] <Hobbsee> see the backscroll
[05:20] <boojit> oh ok, is it that "clean out the interfaces file" thingy?
[05:20] <boojit> yepp checking
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:21] <gils> well anyways boys and girls. it works perfectly fine now after leaving 'lo' alone with all the rest commmented out
[05:21] <boojit> ok screw it i'm going to try it now
[05:21] <boojit> brb with an update
[05:22] <gils> ok i have another question all together.....about desktop effects
[05:22] <eagles0513875> whats 64 bit support like with feisty
[05:22] <eagles0513875> j/w would there be a conflict if i install on 1 partition witha  64 bit os and another with a 32 bit os
[05:22] <gils> IF i enable the effects like wobble windows....i cannot play any videos. is there a work around for that
[05:23] <Hobbsee> gils: turn desktop effects off.  simple
[05:23] <shirish> hi guys, anybody know of a better, sexier looking music player than Rythmbox, as Rythmbox sucks
[05:23] <gils> Hobbesee: yes thanks :-) i figured that part out
[05:23] <Tomcat_> gils: You can change how your video player outputs videos.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> shirish: amarok
[05:23] <concept10> What's the difference between a sound server (Pulse Audio) and a media streaming API like Gstreamer.  The real question is why would I want to install and configure Pulse Audio?  What would pulse audio replace on the current desktop?
[05:23] <concept10> shirish, if you like GTK+, check out Exaile
[05:23] <Tomcat_> gils: Usually you need to change the output to xshm or xv or x11, no idea what is the best or default. :)
[05:23] <shirish> Hobbsee: does it need KDE or Gnome works?
[05:24] <shirish> concept10: u remember, yup :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> shirish: it needs a whole lot of kde libs, but works on gnome
[05:24] <gils> Tomcat_: hmmm interesting...could you tell me more
[05:24] <eagles0513875> j/w would there be a conflict if i install on 1 partition witha  64 bit os and another with a 32 bit os
[05:25] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: shouldnt be, try it
[05:25] <Tomcat_> gils: That's about all there is to it.
[05:25] <shirish> guys I am getting this message The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[05:25] <shirish>   setserial libxcb1 wacom-tools libxcb-xlib0 are these packages safe to remove?
[05:25] <eagles0513875> i am
[05:26] <eagles0513875> if worse comes to worse i can put 64bit version of xp on
[05:26] <gils> ok
[05:26] <eagles0513875> before u ask Hobbsee only reason im putting windows on here again is so i can play world of warcraft
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:27] <eagles0513875> lol ive been told in wine hq channel that my video card is weak
[05:27] <eagles0513875> due to ati's crap video drivers
[05:27] <boojit> Hobbsee: yep thta seems to work
[05:27] <shirish> ah ok
[05:27] <boojit> s/thta/that
[05:27] <eagles0513875> what does one have to do to write ones own video driver
[05:28] <boojit> eagles0513875: that's a pretty broad question, don't you think?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> ...a lot...
[05:28] <eagles0513875> lol ya but im curious
[05:28] <eagles0513875> ive never done any programming like this before
[05:28] <boojit> the answer is: install vi and then start typing stuff into it
[05:28] <eagles0513875> lol
[05:28] <eagles0513875> what kinda stuff
[05:28] <boojit> you know -- video stuff
[05:29] <Hobbsee> i'd suggest you ask the people who code them for a living
[05:29] <eagles0513875> does anyone on here work for ati lol
[05:29] <Hobbsee> uh, no
[05:33] <eagles0513875> ohhh found source code
[05:35] <shirish> concept10: u still here?
[05:36] <shirish> anybody else has worked/played with exaile?
[05:36] <shirish> !info exaile
[05:37] <ubotu> exaile: flexible audio player, similar to Amarok, but written in GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+debian-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 294 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[05:37] <smo> hi all
[05:37] <smo> anyone know if fglrx from ati .run compile fine on 2.6.20 now on fesity?
[05:38] <shirish> eagles0513875: there is already an X.org foundation which is doing lot of driver-tinkering, if u want u should read their stuff
[05:38] <concept10> shirish, what about it?
[05:38] <eagles0513875> ok ty shirish
[05:38] <shirish> concept10: I tried the mini-mode, CTRL+ALT+M, is it supposed to be movable, the bar or just sits in that position?
[05:39] <concept10> use ALT and left mouse button
[05:40] <concept10> shirish, all GTK windows should work that way
[05:40] <shirish> concept10: tht works, cool :P
[05:40] <Poul^Laptop> How do i give this user premission to write to /usr/share/vim/ and all sub folders?
[05:40] <shirish> concept10: just had no idea
[05:41] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, are you adding some VIM plugin or something?
[05:41] <Poul^Laptop> yes
[05:41] <shirish> concept10: bad with keyboard shortcuts :(
[05:41] <Poul^Laptop> concept10, yes
[05:42] <b33j0r> I've gotten my wireless to work with an alternate method, but is there a way to make the network notifcation icon synchronize? (i.e. show that there is a connection? it still says no connection)
[05:42] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, just add them to your home directory.  There is a hidden folder called .vim/plugins , etc
[05:42] <Poul^Laptop> no thers not
[05:43] <Poul^Laptop> concept10, i tryed but the running patch thing is the one in usr/ so it dont work when i make .vim and put it there
[05:44] <concept10> you should have already had the .vim folder
[05:44] <Poul^Laptop> as said i dont :)
[05:44] <shirish> ok do we have gmailfs in any of the repositories?
[05:44] <eagles0513875> i dunno why when i do a dist upgrade from edgy to feisty i dunno y i encounted so many problems
[05:45] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, anyway, if you want to do it some other way, just use sudo
[05:45] <eagles0513875> do u have the edgy repositories shirish
[05:45] <eagles0513875> i know its in one of those
[05:45] <shirish> nope the fiesty one
[05:45] <eagles0513875> that i dunno
[05:46] <Poul^Laptop> concept10, you know the command fo giving right write permission to the folder?
[05:46] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, chmod
[05:46] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, or man chmod
[05:46] <Poul^Laptop> chmod -r /usr/share/vim/ ?
[05:48] <Poul^Laptop> dont give me write permission :(
[05:48] <concept10> I told you to just use sudo
[05:48] <Poul^Laptop> concept10, sorry but why wont you just tell me what i ask instead :(
[05:49] <concept10> chmod +x
[05:49] <Poul^Laptop> thx
[05:49] <concept10> oops, thats execute
[05:50] <Poul^Laptop> still dont have acces :P
[05:50] <shirish> bbl guys :)
[05:50] <concept10> I meant w
[05:51] <Poul^Laptop> do i need to add -r also to get all the sub folders?
[05:51] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, The reason I would not just tell you is because, there are many means to accomplish what you want.  You could have just used root permissions to do this, or install this in your home directory
[05:52] <Poul^Laptop> the home folder thing did not work as i said. I just wanted to copy the files fast over by using the GUI, but ye gonna do the sudo cp now as the write premission dont work either
[05:53] <Stormx2> Can I stop the upgrade process?
[05:54] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, where did you install vim from?
[05:54] <Poul^Laptop> package manager
[05:55] <Poul^Laptop> but the chmod thing before fucked it all up now, cant see the content of the folder now. anyway to set it back?
[05:55] <concept10> Use root permissions!
[05:56] <Poul^Laptop> I AM
[05:56] <Poul^Laptop> !!!
[05:57] <SlimeyPete> as root, chmod a+rwx <folder>
[05:57] <concept10> thats why you do configs and stuff like that in your home directory
[05:57] <SlimeyPete> mmm... use your ~/.vimrc :)
[05:57] <Poul^Laptop> or if i did the right things instead of chmod wronge things. thx SlimeyPete
[05:58] <Poul^Laptop> SlimeyPete,  the .vimrc do work - but when putting things into .vim nothing of that work
[05:58] <smo> can i update to feisty without any problems now??
[05:58] <smo> i still not sure
[05:58] <smo> or
[05:58] <SlimeyPete> smo: um. Maybe. Can't guarantee anything but I've been using it for abou two weeks without any insurmountable problems.
[05:59] <smo>  you know if website ati driver compile fine now with 2.6.20?
[06:00] <SlimeyPete> no idea, sorry. The standard Ubuntu ATI driver package works fine for me.
[06:01] <smo> version?
[06:02] <SlimeyPete> Version: 7.1.0-8.34.8+2.6.20.4-13.14
[06:02] <eagles0513875> what kernel version r they using with feisty
[06:02] <SlimeyPete> 2.6.20 atm
[06:02] <smo> 8.34
[06:03] <smo> ok
[06:04] <concept10> I thought vim always made a .vim/ folder
[06:05] <Poul^Laptop> SlimeyPete, I got the files copyed to the folders now   <http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=195> trying to install that as eksample.  But how do i use it now, the page says "simply start up engspchk by applying the English Check map"
[06:05] <Poul^Laptop> concept10, not here atleast
[06:05] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotto5.png
[06:06] <Poul^Laptop> i am not stupid :( the .vim folder is not there ;(
[06:07] <Poul^Laptop> but it dont realy matter, it should work just fine sing the usr/share/vim/vim70
[06:08] <concept10> Poul^Laptop, I didnt say you were stupid.  The install directions say "Install in .vim".  You seem bitter.  Good Luck and Good Night.
[06:09] <eagles0513875> anyoone work with clusters
[06:09] <Poul^Laptop> concept10, night
[06:10] <nixnoob1> what time are they gonna drop herd 6?
[06:10] <iarwain> hiya, back again =)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> nixnoob1: it's cancelled
[06:11] <iarwain> anyone know why i don't have any keyboard layouts available? (KDE)
[06:11] <smo> damn 331 mo more on dist-upgrade
[06:11] <nixnoob1> why? who said that why havent i heard
[06:12] <Hobbsee> nixnoob1: ubuntu devel mailing list, because RC is RSN, and easter
[06:12] <Hobbsee> (so people are taking time off)
[06:12] <Poul^Laptop> After added a plugin to the plugin folder in vim - do i need to do anything to start it? or is it just automatic loaded next time i use vim?
[06:12] <lupine_85> time off? What's that? ;)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> something i dont get
[06:12] <lupine_85> no, me neither
[06:12] <lupine_85> but since I don't celebrate easter it's not a biggie for me
[06:12] <nixnoob1> the beta 1 live cd wont even boot in my laptop i was hoping herd6 would fix it
[06:13] <nixnoob1> aparently i will have to wait 2 more weeks
[06:14] <ep2011> is the fiesty cd the same as edgy in the sense of installing? Like can you resize partitions, etc
[06:14] <nixnoob1> yes
[06:14] <cliebow> i believge so
[06:14] <ep2011> Okay, thanks
[06:15] <ep2011> and if my edgy installation is messed up, and im going to reinstall, should I just install fiesty beta and then upgrade when it releases?
[06:15] <nixnoob1> im sad
[06:15] <nixnoob1> ep2011 yes
[06:15] <Pici> ep2011: Up to you, beta is beta and you may encounter bugs.
[06:16] <nixnoob1> you can just keep up to date and it will BE final
[06:16] <ep2011> one last question - does any use the RT61 with fiesty? supposily it would be supported with fiesty, it isnt with edgy
[06:16] <Bonez56> hi, im trying to install w32codecs, but it says the package is not available, anyone able to help?
[06:16] <ep2011> (wireless card)
[06:17] <iarwain> anyone know why i don't have any keyboard layouts available? (KDE)
[06:17] <pet2> Hi! Has anyone experience with the Feisty Beta on a T43 Thinkpad?
[06:17] <SlimeyPete> Bonez56: try googling for ftp.nerim.net and add that to your apt sources
[06:17] <SlimeyPete> w32codecs was available from there last time I checked
[06:18] <Bonez56> SlimeyPete, ok... i didnt need to do that the other day when I installed my laptop
[06:18] <eagles0513875> !aPT-fix
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <eagles0513875> !aPTfix
[06:18] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:18] <SlimeyPete> oh right. Maybe w32codecs is in Restricted, then?
[06:18] <SlimeyPete> try turning on the restricted repository?
[06:19] <Bonez56> SlimeyPete, let me just checkl now
[06:19] <finalbeta> !w32codecs
[06:19] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:19] <Bonez56> yeah I have feisty main restricted
[06:19] <nixnoob1> blah blah
[06:20] <nixnoob1> i r so mad
[06:21] <darkphader> will running "aptitude update" followed by "aptitude dist-upgrade" bring the beta to release?
[06:22] <tgelter> hey everyone - question:       I realize that linux-686-smp is obsoleted by linux-generic...     I would be fine sticking with linux-generic but when I install nvidia-glx, it switches me to a non-SMP kernel, linux-386, how can I have both nvidia-glx installed while also having dual-core support for my cpu via SMP?
[06:22] <SlimeyPete> Bonez56: don't mean to patronise but you did remember to reload your package lists after adding Restricted?
[06:22] <Death_Sargent> I removed something called "network something" (not verbatum quote) from my startup and now my wifi does not work
[06:23] <Death_Sargent> could some one tell me what the program is so i can add it again
[06:23] <teb> NetworkManager ?
[06:23] <Death_Sargent> yes
[06:23] <cliebow> try knetworkmanager
[06:23] <Death_Sargent> i use ubuntu not kubuntu
[06:23] <teb> yeah sudo NetworkManager &
[06:24] <teb> or add it to your startup
[06:24] <eagles0513875> i figured out why i keept getting a dpkg error
[06:24] <eagles0513875> i didnt do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:24] <zdzichuBG> sudo  sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager start
[06:25] <Bonez56> SlimeyPete, yeah I have done that
[06:25] <Bonez56> SlimeyPete, I am able to access other restricted packages
[06:27] <SlimeyPete> Bonez56: hmmm... actually yeah, I just looked and I can't see them either.
[06:27] <shirish> ok who are ubuntu motu?
[06:28] <Bonez56> SlimeyPete, they were there about a week ago when I installed fiesty on my laptop... :( now i just installed it on my desktop but can't locate the codecs
[06:29] <eagles0513875> is there a c++ channel
[06:29] <finalbeta> omg
[06:29] <finalbeta> Yeah ##c++
[06:29] <eagles0513875> ty
[06:29] <lupine_85> the MOTU are your Gods(tm)
[06:30] <shawnr> hey everyone, I see a update to nvidia legacy glx driver.... is this going to fix our issues!?
[06:30] <Death_Sargent> ok none of those worked
[06:30] <shirish> lupine_85 if there is a universal package & they are the maintainers, in case if I want them to upgrade the package, what should I do?
[06:30] <lupine_85> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOTU
[06:31] <lupine_85> you could ask for them to upgrade it in a bug report, but it's unlikely it'll get into feisty
[06:31] <shirish> ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:32] <Death_Sargent> yeah im still kicen a dead horse hear
[06:33] <SlimeyPete> I'd eat it, if I were you. Waste not, want not.
[06:34] <Death_Sargent> listen i have the old manager from  edgy working
[06:34] <effie_jayx> anyone usng a broadcome wireless card on feisty :S???
[06:34] <eagles0513875> haha i have one
[06:34] <shawnr> effie_jayx, i did but managed to fix it
[06:34] <Death_Sargent> its the new one that looks like a cellphone signal indicator that is missing
[06:34] <eagles0513875> but it doesnt work out of box like they say it should
[06:34] <shawnr> broadcom
[06:35] <eagles0513875> ya i have a 43xx one
[06:35] <eagles0513875> isnt it supposed to work out of the box wiht this release
[06:35] <shawnr> think i have the same thing, let me check
[06:35] <effie_jayx> I know but I can't use a wpa passkey... I git the card to work
[06:35] <eagles0513875> how did u get the card to work
[06:35] <eagles0513875> did it work out of box or did u have to use ndiswrapper
[06:35] <shawnr> ndiswrapper
[06:36] <shawnr> but its easy and works like a charm
[06:36] <eagles0513875> really
[06:36] <shawnr> install the front end for ndiswrapper
[06:36] <eagles0513875> with edgy took me a good part of day to get mine workin
[06:36] <shawnr> i can send you the driver if you want
[06:36] <eagles0513875> shawn can u add me as a friend cuz im going to do a clean install
[06:36] <eagles0513875> its ok i have it on my flash drive
[06:36] <eagles0513875> i need to rework my partitions
[06:36] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875,  I used ndiswrapper as well
[06:37] <shawnr> just have to make sure you blacklist the default broadcom drivers then restart
[06:37] <Death_Sargent> wifi still does not work
[06:38] <effie_jayx> shawnr,  are you what kind of passkey are you using? wep or wpa?
[06:38] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx:
[06:38] <eagles0513875> did u use the front end
[06:38] <effie_jayx> I used both
[06:39] <eagles0513875> whats the front end like
[06:39] <effie_jayx> I isntalled through terminal ... then I installed ndiswraper utils
[06:39] <eagles0513875> ok
[06:39] <effie_jayx> pretty simple... it shows you the drivers installed
[06:39] <eagles0513875> ok then what u do after that
[06:39] <shawnr> eagles0513875, just search for ndiswrapper and you will find the front end
[06:39] <effie_jayx> and you can add or remove through buttons
[06:39] <eagles0513875> ok
[06:39] <eagles0513875> did u have to do anything after that
[06:40] <Hidan> hey anyone encountered this problem before under Feisty? Feisty crashes and your caps lock +scroll lock keys start blinking
[06:40] <shawnr> eagles0513875, blacklist the broadcom driver that that comes with feisty install
[06:40] <eagles0513875> ok how would i do that
[06:41] <Death_Sargent> how do i run the DHCP cleint
[06:41] <eagles0513875> that automatically runs once u log in
[06:41] <tonetheman> anyone know where i can try to look up bugs... before i start asking questions here... i cannot find it on the wiki
[06:42] <Death_Sargent> well I opened up kwifi and it sais im connected at 54mbps to nothing on vhsnrl 6 with no IP
[06:42] <shawnr> echo 'blacklist bcm43xx' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:42] <decaf> hi, on feisty, when I enable desktop effects, windows decorations dissappear
[06:42] <shawnr> eagles0513875, echo 'blacklist bcm43xx' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:42] <shawnr> if thats your driver
[06:43] <eagles0513875> ty im goign to email that to myself
[06:43] <Death_Sargent> i mean it sais im connected to nothing at 54mbps and have no local IP
[06:43] <sioux> >/(
[06:43] <sioux> hi
[06:43] <Death_Sargent> sith a signal strenth of 60-70 and on chanel 6
[06:43] <shawnr> how can i check nvidia version from the terminal
[06:43] <shawnr> ?
[06:44] <shawnr> anyone?
[06:44] <sioux> ubuntu or kubuntu...
[06:44] <Death_Sargent> glxinfo i think
[06:45] <shawnr> lol.....    Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:45] <shawnr> damn legacy drivers
[06:45] <sioux> when fresty final?
[06:45] <shawnr> im downloading a legacy update now, hope this fixes some issues
[06:46] <Death_Sargent> 2weeks
[06:46] <shawnr> ;p
[06:46] <Death_Sargent> i still getting fucked on my wifi
[06:46] <ep2011> if i install fiesty over my (broken) edgy install, will it fix grub (and still keep my windows entries)
[06:47] <Death_Sargent> that sounds like a really bad idea
[06:47] <shawnr> death_s, think it would be smart to do an entire reinstall once feisty is final? or not really necessary?
[06:47] <lupine_85> is it just grub that's broken in edgy?
[06:47] <Death_Sargent> well if its a driver issue
[06:47] <Death_Sargent> as long as you did not muckaround with them yourself
[06:47] <ep2011> lupine_85 Grub is FINE (How else would I be in windows right now), it locks up on boot
[06:47] <concept10> !matchbox
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about matchbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <concept10> !info matchbox
[06:48] <ep2011> lupine_85 booting to ubuntu is broken
[06:48] <shawnr> edgy is locking up on boot?
[06:48] <shawnr> wow
[06:48] <ubotu> matchbox: base environment for resource-limited systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[06:48] <lupine_85> heh. well, that's probably a kernel issue - installing feisty might fix it
[06:48] <lupine_85> won't remove your Windows grub entries
[06:48] <eagles0513875> I HATE WINDOWS
[06:48] <shawnr> ep2011, wait ubuntu as a whole or just edgy wont boot?
[06:48] <shawnr> ep2011, cause i was just about to reboot lol
[06:49] <ep2011> shawnr, its something I did with my wireless that caused this
[06:49] <shawnr> oh
[06:49] <shawnr> phewww
[06:49] <ep2011> shawnr, I messed it up
[06:49] <shawnr> lol
[06:49] <shawnr> that sucks
[06:49] <shawnr> ok, ima reboot brb guys
[06:50] <Death_Sargent> i don't mean to be a whinney bitch or anything but it would be nice to get some help
[06:50] <concept10> Anyone running a router with DSL modem and NetworkManager with success?  I am curious about how it's setup
[06:51] <Death_Sargent> simple
[06:51] <Death_Sargent> modem to router
[06:51] <Death_Sargent> router to computer
[06:51] <lupine_85> depends on how the modem is connected to the computer
[06:51] <Death_Sargent> if your having problems that means your service needs your mac adress for security reasons
[06:51] <lupine_85> if it's USB, then it'll be set up with a PPP link
[06:52] <lupine_85> if Ethernet, then it's actually a modem/router and will be easy to do :)
[06:52] <concept10> Im not talking specifically the hardware hookup, thats easy
[06:52] <shirish> yup with ethernet its damn lot easier
[06:52] <Death_Sargent> there is no real advantage from usb
[06:52] <concept10> the setup with NetworkManager is causing me problems
[06:52] <Death_Sargent> so get the slightly larger looking phone cord
[06:52] <shirish> that is curious
[06:52] <lupine_85> well, with USB you get a PPP link directly so you don't need hueg loads of IP addresses
[06:53] <lupine_85> (assuming you don't want to use NAT)
[06:53] <concept10> because the DSL modem has a PPP server and so does my router
[06:53] <shirish> concept10 do u know details like IP Address, Gateway Address & DNS addresess
[06:53] <shirish> concept10: which modem is it?
[06:53] <Death_Sargent> while we are on the topic of netowkrs does anyone have a solution for my wifi problem
[06:54] <concept10> shirish, yes.  I had no problems with cable modem, its this DSL PPP stuff thats giving me problems
[06:54] <shawnr> crap, i ran the update for the nvidia legacy glx driver and nothing, still the same issues
[06:54] <shawnr> wtf
[06:54] <shirish> lol, it took me some figuring out, but then again that was because I was from windows otherwise it was a cinch to setup
[06:54] <concept10> shirish, I have a Speedstream 4100 ADSL modem
[06:55] <shirish> is your DSL modem+router on 192.168.1.1 -100
[06:55] <concept10> no, the modem 192.168.0.1, the router is 192.168.2.1
[06:56] <shirish> concept10: and these two things are seperate, the modem & the router or are they both built into 1 unit?
[06:56] <Death_Sargent> shawnr: did you  install the direvers the easy ubuntu way or the hardway\
[06:56] <concept10> I'll figure it out.. I hate having to swap out ethernet
[06:56] <concept10> shirish, no seperate
[06:57] <shawnr> death, which drivers.. nvidia?
[06:57] <Death_Sargent> yes
[06:57] <shirish> then it will be difficult for me, both things are on the same unit, hence it was easy pickings
[06:57] <lupine_85> so the speedstream plugs into another router?
[06:57] <shawnr> package manager, just searched for nvidia legacy and installed from there
[06:57] <concept10> shirish, I should have been a regular consumer and opted for the combo package
[06:57] <Death_Sargent> if you first had them installed ubuntu way
[06:57] <Death_Sargent> then did a manual install
[06:57] <Death_Sargent> bad things happen
[06:57] <shawnr> nah
[06:58] <Death_Sargent> well thats what heppend when i tired
[06:58] <shirish> concept10: true, although many people were asking me why I needed a router when I am a single user, figured who knows when I might decide to set up a game server ;)
[06:58] <lupine_85> it's more a generic networking issue than anything else... ubuntu should get an IP address from the the DHCP server at 192.168.2.1
[06:58] <concept10> lupine_85, DSL line -> Speedstream ADSL modem -> Router -> various computers
[06:58] <lupine_85> yeah, the speedstream is a modem/router incidentally
[06:59] <shirish> yup then it is DHCP, did not have go to do that
[06:59] <shirish> concept10: did u try the wiki?
[06:59] <lupine_85> in fact, assuming the network setup is sane, it should be a plug-and-play operation
[07:00] <Hidan> say, does anyone know when there'll be any updates for the kernel problems?
[07:00] <concept10> I will figure it out, I have no problem setting it up, it just will not connect to internet.. So I dont know which side to use PPP on
[07:01] <shirish> concept10: you use a dialer to dial?
[07:01] <iarwain> anyone know how to install keyboard layouts? (i haven't got any)
[07:01] <concept10> shirish, no
[07:02] <shirish> then everything is on the modem, it does the hand-shaking etc. by itself
[07:02] <lupine_85> concept10: the modem is the only bit that should worry about PPP
[07:02] <lupine_85> Everything else just uses straight Ethernet
[07:04] <ConstyXIV> has anyone managed to get democracyplayer working?
[07:04] <concept10> ConstyXIV, ive never seen it work.  It has some issues with Python 2.5
[07:05] <Death_Sargent> ok i plugged in via ethernet and figured it out
[07:05] <shirish> man updates are coming thick & fast tonight, think because of the kernel freeze soon?
[07:05] <ConstyXIV> oh, and the launchpad redesign is pretty nice.  when did that go up?
[07:05] <concept10> bbl
[07:06] <shirish> ConstyXIV: u were not around the last couple of days?
[07:06] <ConstyXIV> shirish: launch is in 2 weeks or so, got to get a lot of stuff done
[07:06] <ConstyXIV> nope
[07:06] <shirish> yup looks cool, I have already applied for being a beta-tester for launchpad, if that happens it would be really cool
[07:07] <ConstyXIV> i was just really talking about the new skin they put on it
[07:08] <ConstyXIV> hadnt really noticed anything else yet, i just checked on the democracyplayer bug and noticed
[07:08] <shirish> yup it is cool, there are few things which I would like to see improved but if they are already doing it in beta then its cool, otherwise would file a bug for it
[07:08] <shirish> !info democracyplayer
[07:08] <ubotu> democracyplayer: GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.2.1-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 699 kB, installed size 3564 kB
[07:09] <shirish> @now Calcutta
[07:09] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: April 05 2007, 22:39:17 - Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team
[07:09] <ConstyXIV> is launchpad trying to out sourceforge or something?
[07:09] <Usher> If I burn Feisty onto a CD for my friend, will it copy all of his documents and pictures from WinXP over to the linux installation? He wants to switch from WinXP to Linux but he got scared when I told him it would erase all of his documents,pictures and music in the process
[07:09] <shirish> ConstyXIV: seems like that lol :P
[07:10] <shirish> Usher: there is supposed to be copy thing but you might want to wait a bit
[07:10] <shirish> there are some bugs filed for that process
[07:13] <Usher> shirish: Yeah, I took my friend the 6.06 LTS CD, but that same day the 7.04 Beta came out and he was a little turned off by the fact of losing his files, so I told him I thought the 7.04 Beta had that new file transferring thing built into it but I heard it was only for saving your Browser Favorites.. which is really not that useful, most people want their files - they can email their favorites to theirself pretty easily.
[07:14] <shawnr> Usher, there are plenty of file storage sites that offer free plans, like box.net
[07:14] <shirish> Usher: it is supposed to be not just browser but other things as well, hang on
[07:15] <Usher> okay
[07:16] <shirish> Usher: yup bookmarks and IM contacts and wallpapers, but this is a dual-boot option
[07:16] <shirish> Usher: did u format the whole hdd or what?
[07:16] <Usher> but no personal files
[07:16] <shirish> Usher: I mean for your friend
[07:17] <Usher> No, he hasn't installed linux yet - still using WinXP until I take him a CD
[07:17] <shirish> Usher: not yet, I am sure they are working on that
[07:17] <shirish> Usher: here is what u do, take him the CD, first defrag all his partitions, make the last partition fully empty
[07:18] <shirish> then re-format that partition in Windows only so its a clean partition
[07:18] <tgelter> amarok 1.4.5 is using all my cpu when it's open...how do I fix this?  (yes, I'm using feisty beta)
[07:18] <Usher> he only has 1 partition, WinXP
[07:19] <shirish> that is going to be pretty tricky then, he will have to save his data either on DVD or stuff or put it on net or something
[07:20] <shirish> it is never a good idea to have a single partition whatever ur OS may be
[07:20] <Usher> it came preloaded like that from the manufacturer
[07:20] <chijin> he can always get partition magic and take a chunk of the existing partition to create a new one where he can ditch all the important files
[07:20] <chijin> if there's enough space left
[07:21] <chijin> or, burn everything to dvds. dvd-r's are cheap
[07:21] <chijin> new hard drives are cheap too, plus you get the extra space
[07:21] <Usher> I assume its only 1 partition? I've never heard of manufacturers like Dell or HP separating the OS across different partitions.. they just give you the WinXP partition and that hidden system restore backup partition for when you screw up your PC, so they wont have to ship every PC with CDs anymore
[07:21] <shirish> Usher: yup the extra hard drive is a good option if ur friend can afford
[07:22] <shirish> Usher: I always assemble my own machine
[07:22] <Usher> I wish he could just take his HDD out of his PC and give it to me for a couple of days, and I could do it all for him
[07:23] <shirish> Usher: sure and have all his girlfriends photos with you also, fat chance I think lol :P
[07:24] <Usher> I wouldn't go through his stuff I've got my own pictures to look at
[07:25] <tgelter> amarok 1.4.5 is using all my cpu when it's open...how do I fix this?  (yes, I'm using feisty beta)
[07:25] <shirish> tgelter: ok first shutdown amarok
[07:26] <shirish> Usher: I was just having fun, all pun intentional
[07:26] <Usher> xdrive is a nice piece of software/service.. I just don't like that it has the AOL logo on it.. kind of makes me weary of it, but other than that it's great - I used it to back up my families documents while I reformated and setup their PC again after they trashed over the years haha
[07:26] <tgelter> shirish: I've tried to shut it down and bring it back up, change music it's playing, etc. whenever I open it again (whether I am playing music or not) it spikes to 100% cpu usage
[07:27] <shirish> tgelter: ok do u have any other players to play music or not?
[07:27] <tgelter> yes, but I much prefer to use amarok
[07:27] <Usher> have you tried Banshee
[07:27] <tgelter> nope
[07:28] <Usher> it's nice like Amarok
[07:28] <shirish> tgelter: the point to use other players is to see if its an issue with just that music player or something else
[07:28] <Usher> I used to use amarok, but it wouldn't work with my iPod Nano
[07:28] <tgelter> shirish: it's just with amarok
[07:28] <shirish> Usher: in that case I would suggest filing a bug, are u using a laptop by any chance
[07:28] <Usher> give Banshee a try
[07:29] <shawnr> i love amarok, but its no good with gnome, too much extra shit to install like all the kde libs and crap
[07:29] <shirish> shawnr: true that is what I am happy with Exaile, not much stuff to install
[07:30] <tgelter> shawnr: that's true, but not really a problem when one uses kde apps like k3b anyway...
[07:30] <shawnr> i try to stick to gnome apps, but kde apps are nice
[07:30] <shirish> tgelter: if you like KDE stuff better then you should have installed Kubuntu
[07:30] <Usher> I think Amarok only works if you put the files on the iPod in the disk use form, instead of just putting them on their like iTunes would.. and by doing that I think you lose functionality of the iPod user interface.. you have to play your songs from the disk use menu on the ipod instead of the playlist or music menu.. I could be wrong but I think thats what the 'Disk Use' feature on iTunes means?
[07:31] <tgelter> shirish: I like a couple of KDE apps. I can't stand the K desktop environment though
[07:31] <shirish> tgelter: also is not the Ipod feature an experimental one, atleast that is what I believe
[07:31] <Usher> disk use is normally meant for putting a document on your ipod or any other file but the normal iPod music files
[07:32] <tgelter> shirish: I'm not the one looking to have it control my ipod..
[07:32] <broekd_> second time feisty installs on a laptop and day doesnt pas wothout broken system and fsck clearing innodes
[07:33] <shirish> broekd_: welcome to your computing experience
[07:33] <broekd_> thanks you , i have been using linux for over 6 years , but thank you
[07:34] <shirish> tgelter: as far as I can see, the only option is to go file a bug, give your hardware info. and wait for them to ask the questions, there is a high probability though that it might be broken & that bug is known.
[07:34] <tgelter> shirish: I'll keep that in mind. thanks. I'll also give banshee a shot for now
[07:34] <tgelter> thanks all for the help
[07:35] <darich> oh noo a new kernel :(
[07:35] <shirish> darich: they will try to push as many kernels as they can without breaking everything before the kernel-freeze I think its 12th, is not that?
[07:36] <darich> nah it's just I have to recompile a kernel module
[07:36] <shirish> darich: oops it is today itself, so I guess this is the last kernel they would be pushing
[07:36] <darich> to turn my wireless on
[07:36] <darich> which is a pain
[07:36] <darich> and manually place it in the correct folder
[07:37] <darich> as I use a Acer with broadcom wireless
[07:37] <darich> and one of those buttons on the front
[07:37] <darich> to turn the wireless on....
[07:37] <darich> :S
[07:37] <broekd_> good think so many people buy broadcom wireless to support their closed drivers
[07:38] <shirish> anybody know a lean mean GTK+ bittorrent clone?
[07:38] <shirish> broekd_: lol :P
[07:38] <darich> loves Kde apps...but doesn't like KDE
[07:38] <shirish> they should buy the Linksys WRT series
[07:38] <darich> ;0
[07:39] <shirish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRT54G
[07:39] <broekd_> Linksys and ralink
[07:39] <shirish> ralink, I have not heard that name before
[07:40] <shirish> they also make use of free/open-source drivers
[07:40] <broekd_> http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> Note that the WRT54GL (with the L at the end) is a bit friendlier for 3rd party firmware and has better hardware specs than the v5.
[07:42] <shirish> the move to VXworks for sure
[07:42] <shirish> even ralink has interesting wi-fi options
[07:43] <broekd_> and broken filesystem fixed . good thing ext3 stores superblocks on many places
[07:43] <shirish> well atleast the name is right broekd_:)
[07:44] <pari> hello
[07:44] <shirish> hi pari
[07:44] <pari> I've got a problem: I have ubuntu 7.04 beta, and I'm trying to install nvidia drivers. The card is GF4 MX 440, so, as far as I know, I need nvidia-glx-legacy package.
[07:44] <broekd_> hahaha just booted into system and got this message : The program : "apt-get" is currently not installed . You can install it by typing : apt-get install apt
[07:45] <phaidros> pari: aptitude install restriced-manager
[07:45] <lupine_85> lol. find the .deb and dpkg -i it
[07:45] <phaidros> lol
[07:45] <Death_Sargent> ok I just rebooted and my wifi does not work
[07:45] <broekd_> dpkg is not installed
[07:45] <shirish> I am just waiting for gmailfs to be fixed
[07:46] <Death_Sargent> ran an update and it was fixed until I crashed and had to reboot again
[07:46] <colbert> is it possible to remote login to a system that is in hibernate ?
[07:47] <pari> o, thanks phaidros. It says I need to reboot, be back in a minute.
[07:47] <broekd_> maby path is not set , where id dpkg stored ?
[07:47] <CarinArr> what does restricted-manager do?
[07:47] <shirish> lemme check
[07:47] <broekd_> -/usr/sbin ?
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Not that I know of, but it is possible to login to a router connected to it and wake-on-lan from the router, and then login after that.
[07:48] <shirish> usr/bin
[07:48] <broekd_> yeah it the path that is not set so i guess apt is there too
[07:48] <cwillu> what's a brownish theme for kubuntu?
[07:48] <colbert> tonyyarusso: ok, how do you login to a router?
[07:49] <shirish> broekd_: /usr/bin
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Depends how it's set up.  In my case, I go to http://my.home.ip.address:8080/
[07:49] <broekd_> ldconfig should maby help
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Some let you ssh as well
[07:50] <CarinArr> sometimes you can only log in from the local address of the router though
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> Yep, all depends on the options you have set
[07:51] <shirish> or the router u have
[07:51] <CarinArr> yes
[07:51] <jarle> After upgrading to feisty the nvidia-glx-legacy driver crashes X, and it doesn't look like it is easy to recompile the driver downloaded for nvidia.com against the new kernel either?
[07:52] <colbert> tonyyarusso: ok, I am kinda noob at this.. I have at home 1 XP pc, and 1 ubuntu pc conn'd thru linksys router (have cable modem), and sometimes from here @ office I need files from machine at home, but it's set to hibernate.. how do I get into my ubuntu machine?
[07:52] <CarinArr> jarle: did you try simply reinstalling nvidia-glx-legacy?
[07:52] <jarle> Any help in getting nvidia back up would be greatly appreciated..
[07:52] <CarinArr> i assume you did;)
[07:52] <jarle> CarinArr: Many times :)
[07:52] <jonah1980> hey guys how do i use the new ubuntu proprietary drivers for nvidia from repos and not "nv" or the download from nvidia. i was using the downloaded driver from nvidia, does this need removing first?
[07:52] <CarinArr> okay just double checking;)
[07:53] <shirish> !info jigdo
[07:53] <ubotu> jigdo: GTK+ download manager (beta version). In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.3-1 (feisty), package size 187 kB, installed size 440 kB
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> colbert: While at home you'll have to set up your options to allow login like that to the router and enable WOL for the computer, then memorize/write down your public IP
[07:53] <CarinArr> jonah1980: yeah.. run the nvidia installer script with --uninstall first
[07:53] <shirish> anybody knows how to work with jigdo files?
[07:53] <jonah1980> CarinArr, where do i get this script?
[07:53] <CarinArr> jarle: i haven't had any problems with the nvidia.com drivers in feisty, but i haven't tried any repository ones so far..
[07:53] <Death_Sargent> please i need my wifi
[07:54] <pari> hm, the problem with the drivers is still here. Restricted drivers manager still has "Nvidia accelerated graphics driver (legacy cards) as "needs computer restart"
[07:54] <jarle> CarinArr: Did you have the installer recompile against your new kernel?
[07:54] <CarinArr> jarle: yes
[07:54] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Ok so to set up optinos to allow login, is that through router page? Like in Firefox I do 192.168.1.1 and it is my Linksys admin page for my router, u mean in there?? And is "enable WOL" also in that page too or is that in ubuntu somewhere??
[07:54] <shirish> ok guys back in a moment too, need to restart, gotta test the new kernel if something is broken or something
[07:55] <CarinArr> jonah1980: the file you download from nvidia.. called NVIDIAsomewhatorother.sh ;)
[07:55] <jarle> CarinArr: Which path did it use for your kernel-source?
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Correct.  WOL is a combination of an option on the router page and a small cable inside your computer being connected, assuming you have the ability in your hardware, as well as a BIOS option sometimes.
[07:55] <jarle> CarinArr: I assume you had to tell it where your kernel source was located?
[07:56] <jonah1980> CarinArr, do i need to download the whole driver for this script or can i just get the script from somewhere can't see it on nvidia website
[07:56] <CarinArr> jarle: no i didn't, actually.. it couldn't find any matching kernel configurations but i didn't have to install anything other than build-essential for the installer to run fine, and it didn't ask me any questions
[07:56] <CarinArr> jonah1980: the .sh file IS a script.. but yeah you need the .sh file, then run it like you would if you install the nvidia driver, but append --uninstall at the end
[07:57] <jarle> CarinArr: What do you have in /usr/src ?
[07:57] <CarinArr> kernel sources for 2.6.20-12/2.6.20-13 and -generic
[07:58] <CarinArr> er sorry headers
[07:58] <jarle> CarinArr: so, only headers and no complete source?
[07:59] <jonah1980> CarinArr, all i can find is the .run thing, how do i extract this to get the .sh script?
[07:59] <jarle> CarinArr: which drivers did you compile? the new one or the legacy one?
[08:00] <pari> jonah1980, try "sh therunthing.run"
[08:00] <CarinArr> jarle: new ones
[08:00] <CarinArr> sorry jonah, they're .run not .sh
[08:01] <jarle> CarinArr: I'm trying to install the legacy one, as my card is not supported in the new one...
[08:01] <CarinArr> jarle: what card do you have?
[08:01] <jarle> CarinArr: GeForce2 GTS/Pro
[08:01] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Ok so #1 what will the option be called in my Linkys page to enable that kind of login? #2 I think my mobo has WOL, so if it is in BIOS I just enable it and that's it?
[08:02] <jarle> CarinArr: I have tried using the new driver and it tells me that my card needs the legacy branch..
[08:02] <CarinArr> ca jarle	and your x just crashes?
[08:02] <CarinArr> jarle: and your x just crashes even
[08:02] <CarinArr> with the legacy one i mean
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Depends on your firmware
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> #2: yes
[08:03] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Firmware? I know what that is vaguely but not clear what you mean by it depending on it ?
[08:04] <jarle> CarinArr: Have been using the restricted nvidia modules installed by ubuntu without any problems until upgrading to feisty, now X get a signal 11 and crashes trying to us the driver..
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> colbert: ie, default Linksys, DD-WRT, etc. will all have different setup screens
[08:04] <CarinArr> jarle: can you !pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[08:04] <CarinArr> i don't know anyone that uses that particular card i'm afraid
[08:05] <chrisbudden14> anyone finding their TI card reader not working in feisty?
[08:05] <pari> can you tell me, do I need to download anything like "linux-restricted-modules", if I want my old gf4mx 440 (legacy drivers) to work properly, and, hopefully, get some 3d and/or effects?
[08:05] <colbert> tonyyarusso: ah ok.. so I am making some notes here for when I go home, so what generic term might the option be called so I can have a basis to look so I don't get the wrong thing??
[08:05] <CarinArr> pari: uhm.. using repository drivers or ones straight from nvidia?
[08:06] <pari> repository
[08:06] <jonah1980> CarinArr, as i remember you have to somehow extract the .run thing to run the uninstaller. if you just run the .run it will install nvidia. and if you put --uninstaller after the .run file nothing happens you just get command not found...
[08:06] <jarle> CarinArr: which pastebin should I use?
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Things involving "remote login", "graphical login", "port number"
[08:07] <shirish> ok guys my last boot went good till the login screen after that nothing, no screen at all tried all the CTRL+ALT+F series anybody any idea which logs I need to submit to file a bug
[08:07] <crdlb> pari, install nvidia-glx-legacy and linux-generic
[08:07] <shirish> jarle: !info pastebin
[08:07] <jarle> !info pastebin
[08:07] <ubotu> Package pastebin does not exist in feisty
[08:07] <CarinArr> jonah1980: you either chmod the installer with +x, or you run it using "sh filename".. e.g. sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run --uninstall
[08:07] <CarinArr> !pastebin
[08:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:08] <shirish> guys my last boot went good till the login screen after that nothing, no screen at all tried all the CTRL+ALT+F series anybody any idea which logs I need to submit to file a bug
[08:08] <pari> crdlb, i already did install nvidia-glx-legacy.
[08:08] <pari> and, uh, linux-generic.. 1 moment
[08:08] <crdlb> pari, then install linux-generic, which should pull in linux-restricted-modules-generic
[08:08] <jonah1980> CarinArr, thanks, i eventually found the command on google = NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9755-pkg2.run'  --extract-only
[08:08] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Ok.. now I have ubuntu and XP machines here @ office.. silly question: Not possible to login to ubuntu machine from windows right ?
[08:08] <CarinArr> uhm.. you shouldn't need to extract it if all you want to do is uninstall the driver
[08:09] <jarle> CarinArr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14056/
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> colbert: Actually, it should be.  Look into PuTTY.
[08:10] <colbert> tonyyarusso: Ok I am searching
[08:10] <pari> crdlb, sudo dpkg -l | grep linux-generic outputs "ii  linux-generic                              2.6.20.12.8                            Complete Generic Linux kernel", do I still need to install it?
[08:11] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok uninstalled it ok, now how do install the ubuntu repository version of the proprietary driver? i want the normal one not legacy...
[08:11] <broekd_> rescue on alternate cd is usless
[08:11] <crdlb> pari, then you should also have linux-restricted-modules-generic, so no as long as you're running a generic kernel (uname -r)
[08:11] <jarle> CarinArr: I thought I might as well go back to the "old way" of compiling the nvidia drivers, this is what I get then: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14057/
[08:12] <pari> yep, 2.6.20-12-generic
[08:12] <crdlb> pari, you should be good then
[08:12] <pari> The problem is that acceleration doesn't work, so I'm trying to figure out why, and how to make it work
[08:13] <jonah1980> pari, uninstalled it, how do install the ubuntu repository version of the proprietary driver? normal one not legacy...
[08:13] <broekd_> its always there
[08:14] <pari> select without -legacy
[08:14] <pari> nvidia-glx
[08:15] <CarinArr> jarle: weird
[08:15] <pari> after I try to enable "desktop effects", i only get error box with "Desktop effects could not be enabled", and, as I said before, 'restricted drivers manager' shows Nvidia drivers' status as 'needs computer restart'
[08:15] <CarinArr> jarle: heh sorry for stating the obvious
[08:16] <jarle> CarinArr: I'm removing linux-restricted-modules and *nvidia*, and the trying to reinstall..
[08:16] <foxiness> hi, aptana need mozilla to install, apt-get install mozilla ? there are no mozilla
[08:17] <broekd_> !info mozilla-browser feisty
[08:17] <ubotu> Package mozilla-browser does not exist in feisty
[08:18] <CarinArr> jarle: i know people have legacy cards working.. but don't know if they're using the legacy package or not
[08:19] <broekd_> !info mozilla-browser edgy
[08:19] <foxiness> broekd sometime the best just to know :)
[08:19] <ubotu> mozilla-browser: The Mozilla Internet application suite - core and browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.7.13-0.2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9797 kB, installed size 29720 kB
[08:20] <broekd_> i dont know , its depricated i guess
[08:21] <jonah1980> ok i uninstalled nvidia driver from their website, and installed nvidia-glx from repository, now when i click on the new restricted drivers manager in ubuntu it says "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers."
[08:21] <jonah1980> can anyone help me get it working thanks...
[08:21] <CarinArr> jarle: having a quick look around
[08:21] <broekd_> does envy work in feisty ?
[08:21] <foxiness> its fine ,thanks for let to me know that ,then lost my time to fine out, time to go out ..bye
[08:22] <foxiness> find*
[08:23] <jarle> CarinArr: It is a bit frustrating to not being able to figure out if there is a problem with the legacy package in ubuntu, or if there is a bug in the driver when it comes to my gfx-card..
[08:23] <colbert> which cards are "legacy" cards??
[08:23] <CarinArr> jarle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402019&highlight=feisty+error+11 <- that you?
[08:25] <jarle> CarinArr: looks *very* much like the error I get trying to compile the nvidia.com drivers..
[08:25] <jarle> CarinArr: unfortunately no solution in the thread..
[08:25] <shirish> broekd_: how are u doing now, were u able to get apt or not?
[08:26] <pari> people, any ideas what to do about nvidia legacy? :/
[08:27] <jarle> pari: You have the same problem as me?
[08:27] <pari> jarle, oh yes.
[08:27] <pari> first time I installed glx, not legacy
[08:27] <pari> after that xorg.conf broke and I couldnt restore it
[08:28] <pari> (using ubuntu for 1 day now)
[08:28] <ep2011> Im on the feisty beta live disk, I can connect fine, but not with the network manager, using the command line, is that normal? does anyone else experience this
[08:28] <jonah1980> hello can anyone please help me out? ok i uninstalled nvidia driver from their website, and installed nvidia-glx from repository, now when i click on the new restricted drivers manager in ubuntu it says "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers."
[08:28] <shirish> ep2011: I had that experience sometime back
[08:29] <ep2011> shirish, what did you do to fix it?
[08:29] <shirish> ep2011: figured out that had not filled the DNS servers IP address and they worked.
[08:29] <shirish> ep2011: mine is an ethernet connection to a modem/router
[08:30] <ep2011> ohh
[08:30] <ep2011> im using wireless
[08:30] <ep2011> which is why I guess
[08:31] <shirish> nope there are peole who are using wireless, and network-manager is supposed to work with it
[08:31] <ep2011> hmm..
[08:31] <ep2011> how do I know which setting im suppost to use?
[08:31] <ep2011> (WEP setting, theres 3 of them)
[08:33] <ep2011> I typed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14064/ to get it working in the command line
[08:34] <Suurorca> ahhhhhhh... lagging temrinal fixed :))))))
[08:35] <pari> well, jarle ?
[08:36] <ryan8403> so I've tried to install the clvm package but it exits with an error code and I can't add or remove packages now
[08:36] <AcidBurn> any word when bug 37784, will be fix, for real? been broken since 6.06
[08:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 37784 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sky2 ethernet driver is freezing on big upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37784
[08:36] <foxiness> ryan8403: this will know bug and there work around
[08:36] <jarle> pari: no luck, guess I need to try to get the nvidia.com driver compiled and see if that works, I'm guessing the *legacy driver from ubuntu is broken...
[08:37] <pari> mh
[08:37] <ryan8403> foxiness: what is/where can I find a work around?
[08:37] <pari> mine still is as "need restart"
[08:37] <jarle> CarinArr: Any idea how to fix the config.h error when compiling nvidia driver?
[08:37] <pari> jarle, did you download linux-restricted-modules?
[08:38] <jarle> pari: yeah..
[08:38] <foxiness> ryan8403: on ubuntuforum or google about it
[08:38] <pari> which ones?
[08:38] <jarle> pari: the one for the kernel I am running..
[08:38] <ryan8403> foxiness: I tried using apt-get remove, dpkg -r --force-all and synaptic
[08:38] <ryan8403> ok
[08:38] <pari> and your kernel is?
[08:39] <jarle> pari: 2.6.20-13-386
[08:39] <foxiness> ryan8403: no it need more than that i read about it coz i have similar station on the couple of week ago but not with clvm
[08:40] <ep2011> Does anyone know what settings to do in the network manager?I typed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14064/ to get it working in the command line
[08:41] <pari> so you updated your kernel at first? sorry if I sound dumb, but well.. it's just one day I'm using ubuntu, so I don't exactly know how everything works.
[08:42] <jarle> pari: do a "uname -a" to see what kernel you are running at the moment..
[08:42] <shirish> ep2011 is using wireless, anybody who has used wireless around here guys?
[08:43] <shirish> jarle: there is 2.6.20-14 which came down the tube couple of hrs. ago
[08:43] <pari> i'm running generic
[08:43] <pari> 2.6.20-12-generic
[08:44] <jarle> shirish: I saw that in adept yesterday actually and am still wondering why I am not asked to update my kernel..
[08:44] <foxiness> shirish: am using wireless with out need cli
[08:44] <ep2011> foxiness: wep?
[08:45] <foxiness> ep2011: no
[08:45] <ep2011> oh :\
[08:45] <ep2011> how do I tell what kind of wep I use? Does anyone know?
[08:45] <foxiness> ep2011: i have control over this network :)
[08:45] <shirish> jarle: that sure is strange, if its showing it should have asked u for that
[08:46] <ep2011> foxiness: do you know how I could tell what type of wep i use?
[08:46] <foxiness> ep2011: mmm there are doc on wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:46] <shirish> jarle: what about apt-get update and apt-get upgrade what do they tell?
[08:46] <ep2011> foxiness:  okay, thanks
[08:46] <shirish> jarle: I have used apt-get and aptitude till date, not adept till now
[08:46] <foxiness> ep2011: what are the option ?
[08:47] <ryan8403> anyone know how to remove a package that is stuck half way between installed and removed?
[08:47] <foxiness> ryan8403: remove --purge
[08:48] <ep2011> WEP 128 bit passphrase, WEP 64/128 Bit Hex, WEP 64/128 Bit ASCII
[08:50] <foxiness> ep2011: hex,
[08:50] <ryan8403> foxiness: I've tried that and here is the output of that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14066/
[08:51] <foxiness> ryan8403: what i told you before ;) ^^^^
[08:51] <foxiness> ryan8403: there are something 'package' stop it
[08:52] <jarle> shirish: apt-get will let me update to a new version of nvidia-glx-legacy, hopefully this will make it working!
[08:52] <foxiness> ryan8403: am sure the sol on ubuntuforum if i go there and search 'clvm remove' and see
[08:52] <lukaswayne9> Hmm, this is strange.  I can't get the volume up/down keybaord shortcuts to work with the right soundcard
[08:53] <shirish> jarle, would recommend u download the new kernel as well then u can see if the driver works with 3 kernels :)
[08:53] <jarle> shirish: but why is it holding "linux-headers-generic linux-image-386 linux-image-generic linux-image-k7" back?
[08:54] <shirish> lukaswayne9: what do u mean they do not work, the graphic does not show of up or down or what?
[08:54] <lukaswayne9> i have two soundcard; it adjusts the volume of the soundcard i'm not using
[08:55] <shirish> jarle: are u using the main mirror or one of the regional ones?
[08:55] <jarle> shirish: archive.ubuntu.com (guess that is the main one?)
[08:55] <shirish> lukaswayne9: I figured it would be something like that, I have a TV tuner card and apparently it tries to use the up/down for the TV tuner card
[08:56] <shirish> I have had no luck setting up the TV tuner card so far under linux :(
[08:56] <lukaswayne9> hmm
[08:57] <jarle> shirish: seems like new packages are just being added to the repos, I did a new apt-get update 1 minute after the first one, and new packages are ready for upgrade..
[08:57] <shirish> jarle : yup supposed to be the main one, from england
[08:58] <shirish> jarle: I had been using mine for couple of hrs. now, came from the indian servers & I do know for a fact that there is usually a 2 hrs. gap between the indian mirror and the main, a little more if I want the diffs. too.
[08:59] <jarle> shirish: If packages are hold back that might mean that they rely on packages that are in the process of being published, but has not reached the repos yet?
[08:59] <shirish> lemme check, for I also have the feisty changes mail come to me every couple of hrs.
[09:00] <jonah1980> hey guys i've got an update that wont install and hasnt for like 3 weeks or so it's been there, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14067/
[09:00] <jonah1980> can someone take a look at the error for me and help? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14067/
[09:01] <djnevs> can someone help me with my vid.card driver? im me please
[09:01] <djnevs> nvidia riva tnt2 model 64
[09:01] <pari> djnevs, wellcome to the club
[09:01] <pari> :|
[09:01] <djnevs> lol
[09:02] <djnevs> you got probs with it aswell
[09:02] <djnevs> ?
[09:02] <shirish> jarle: the latest one is actually 2.6.20.14.12 which was published about couple of hrs. ago
[09:02] <pari> gf4mx 440, yes, problems all along
[09:02] <djnevs> :p i got riva tnt2
[09:02] <djnevs> oldschool
[09:02] <djnevs> dont have agp om my mainboard :p
[09:03] <shirish> pari, djnevs: have u tried looking in ubuntuforums.org there is great deal of info. on that there
[09:03] <pari> :)
[09:03] <djnevs> looked alread
[09:03] <djnevs> y
[09:03] <djnevs> didnt fould that what solved my prob
[09:03] <djnevs> i installed the nvidia kernel
[09:03] <jarle> shirish: any idea why the kernel might be held back at my place?
[09:03] <pari> shirish, eyah, I've found a 'nvidia binary driver howto' or something like that
[09:03] <djnevs> when i change nv to nvidia in xorg.conf
[09:03] <pari> unfortunatelly, didn't work well
[09:03] <djnevs> X window wont start
[09:04] <shirish> jarle: no idea, sorry :(
[09:04] <djnevs> log: No drivers avalible
[09:04] <pari> djnevs, nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[09:04] <djnevs> i did installed legacy driver, mayb wrong version?
[09:04] <djnevs> jah
[09:04] <djnevs> yea
[09:04] <jarle> shirish: I have the same problem as pari and djnews..
[09:04] <pari> i'm running dist upgrade now
[09:05] <Arwen> huh, new kernel, time for a reboot
[09:05] <pari> we'll see what happens.
[09:05] <shirish> djnevs: ok do what jarle is also doing, do an apt-get update & an apt-get upgrade, get the latest drivers
[09:05] <TomD> djnevs have you seen envy scripts? http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[09:05] <djnevs> hm k
[09:05] <djnevs> hm no, ill do that now, thanks
[09:07] <shirish> jarle: after re-booting with the new driver, if it still does not work, try using update-manager, for I use it & it works flawlessely for me to update or upgrade.
[09:07] <jarle> TomD: anvy is only for edgy and not feisty as far as I can see..
[09:07] <joumetal> jonah1980 Does "sudo /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup stop" give any errors?
[09:07] <TomD> yes i think you are right
[09:08] <jarle> shirish: update-manager? or adept-manager?
[09:09] <jarle> TomD: I have used his setup with great success earlier though..
[09:09] <shirish> jarle: usr/bin/update-manager
[09:09] <jonah1980> joumetal, yeah weird, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14068/
[09:09] <jarle> shirish: I do not have that one installed... which package?
[09:09] <shirish> jarle: are u using ubuntu feisty or something else?
[09:10] <jarle> shirish: I have mostly used adept manager wich I find to be a bit unstable sometimes..
[09:10] <jarle> shirish: ahh... kubuntu feisty....
[09:10] <jarle> shirish: apdept manager is the default in kubuntu..
[09:10] <shirish> jarle: aha.. so that might be the issue, ok just install sudo apt-get install update-manager
[09:11] <shirish> (sudo apt-get install update-manager)
[09:12] <gerv> Hi. Trying to test the Feisty beta bricked my laptop.
[09:12] <gerv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[09:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[09:12] <gerv> I've been taken through a few possibilities, including updating everything to the very latest, but it still won't boot.
[09:13] <gerv> I'm worried that Scott James Remnant, who is looking at the bug, won't now be working until after Easter.
[09:13] <lukaswayne9> so is there a resource somewhere for KVM?  i'd like to run win2k on this box
[09:13] <gerv> Is there any way I can opt out of using mdadm completely? After all, I only have one disk...
[09:14] <joumetal> jonah1980 maybe just removing hotkey setup. reinstalling it and (uninstalled) desktop-package(s) helps.
[09:15] <jonah1980> joumetal, how can i remove it though, when i try to synaptic wants to remove ubuntu-desktop also!
[09:15] <Ximal_> anyone here supporting feisty yet ?
[09:15] <jonah1980> Ximal, ubuntu+1
[09:16] <jarle> shirish: strange, apt-get wants to hold back the kernel update, while update manager asks me if I want to update at startup..
[09:16] <joumetal> jonah1980 ubuntu desktop is meta-package It is safe to remove if you remember to reinstall it later.
[09:17] <jonah1980> joumetal, ok will try it out
[09:17] <shirish> jarle: most probably there is a bug in apt-get , I normally do not use it to upgrade stuff, normally use update-manager and it has worked fine till now
[09:18] <shirish> Ximal_: we are all feisty users here
[09:18] <varka> is there any know bug with evolution in feisty that opened mails are shown only as an empty window though the sourcecode is shown correctly?
[09:18] <jarle> shirish: does update manager have a notifier that can run in the background and inform you about new updates?
[09:19] <jonah1980> joumetal, hotkey-setup won't uninstall, i can't get rid of it
[09:19] <shirish> jarle: would have to wait a minute as upgrading some packages as we speak, let it do its work and then I can look into it
[09:20] <jarle> shirish: no problem, you have been to great help so for..
[09:20] <shirish> jarle: I have only started using Feisty as well as ubuntu only 3-4 days back seriously
[09:21] <shirish> jarle: as far as update notifier, there is but nothing I know which checks for stuff in the background
[09:21] <SlimeyPete> yes, it informs you about new updates
[09:22] <shirish> SlimeyPete: how?
[09:22] <SlimeyPete> lil' balloon pops up on the top Gnome panel, a bit like Windows
[09:22] <SlimeyPete> it checks every 24 hours by default iirc
[09:22] <shirish> SlimeyPete: I have not seen any preferences menu for it
[09:22] <joumetal> jonah1980 bug 101918 It hasn't very much information.
[09:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 101918 in hotkey-setup "[apport]  package hotkey-setup failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101918
[09:23] <SlimeyPete> can you see a little star icon in the top-right of your screen? It'll either be orange or grey. That's it. I think if you right-click it might let you set preferences.
[09:23] <shirish> SlimeyPete: he means some kind of daemon or something which is constantly checking in the background, I need to manually
[09:24] <SlimeyPete> shirish: if you're having to check manually (and you're using Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu) then summat's up... it should be checking for you every so often.
[09:24] <dragon52225> Hey all i have an issue with Feisty
[09:24] <dragon52225> While installing
[09:24] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: shoot
[09:25] <dragon52225> Int 14: CR2  f8000000  err 00000000 EIP c020bc34  CS 00000060  flags 00100007
[09:25] <dragon52225> Stack: c00f7c60 c03f12eb c0370be4 0000002 c00f7c69 000f7c60 00000000 00000000
[09:25] <dragon52225> The error comes after initrd.gz or something when i boot up the CD for installing
[09:25] <dragon52225> Its the same for both Regular and Alternate CDs
[09:25] <Gh0sty> dragon52225: did you do an md5 check on the cd?
[09:25] <dragon52225> yes
[09:25] <dragon52225> on both
[09:26] <Gh0sty> tried a memtest also?
[09:26] <dragon52225> yeah
[09:26] <dragon52225> memtest is the only thing that works on the CDs
[09:26] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: you sure you're using CDs for the correct architecture? Just a thought.
[09:26] <dragon52225> Yes
[09:26] <jonah1980> ok thanks guys
[09:26] <dragon52225> i have an AMD64, but i'm sure i can use i386 on it......
[09:26] <SlimeyPete> yes, should be able to
[09:26] <dragon52225> because i had the 32 windows before
[09:26] <jonah1980> joumetal, thanks for the help i'l add to the bug and sit it out
[09:27] <SlimeyPete> I use i386 Ubuntu on my AMD64
[09:27] <dragon52225> So any ideas of whats going wrong?
[09:27] <dragon52225> Thats all i get, those two lines
[09:27] <joumetal> jonah great
[09:27] <SlimeyPete> seems like a very low-level issue. The kernel doesn't like you :/
[09:27] <dragon52225> So where should i ask?
[09:27] <djnevs> ok, i did update
[09:27] <dragon52225> For help
[09:27] <xerox__> hello are there another partion manager than GParted, it behaves strange mounts partions all the time and then stop the jobb since the parion is monted?
[09:27] <djnevs> but i cant install nvidia-glx-legacy from adept
[09:28] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: have you search the ubuntu launchpad?
[09:28] <dragon52225> Hm...  because i was using this windows password editor which depended on a linux liveCD... and it worked
[09:28] <jarle> djnevs: why can't you install?
[09:28] <djnevs> nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:28] <dragon52225> i haven't tried the amd64 cd, but i'm sure it'lll be the same
[09:28] <dragon52225> because i have the amd64 6.06 kubuntu cd which doesn't work either
[09:28] <shirish> xerox_: if you are using feisty then it does not use Gparted anymore
[09:29] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: it's probably worth trying anyway - different kernel and all that
[09:29] <SlimeyPete> ah
[09:29] <SlimeyPete> does it fail to work in exactly the same way?
[09:29] <dragon52225> doesn't work.
[09:29] <dragon52225> yep...  i'm pretty sure
[09:29] <dragon52225> only thing thats ever worked on my system is windows
[09:29] <djnevs> I press the Request-Install button
[09:29] <djnevs> nothing happens
[09:29] <shirish> dragon52225: what he means is do u get the same exact two lines there?
[09:29] <dragon52225> i've only used ubuntu once on my older computer
[09:29] <ShackJack> BLEECH! The Linux Kernel .14 update borked my XGL and wireless!
[09:30] <dragon52225> i said "yes i'm pretty sure i get the same two lines"
[09:30] <SlimeyPete> might be worth looking for bug reports. If there isn't one, then file a bug against the kernel package in ubuntu and either it'll eventually get fixed or a dev will point out where you're going wrong.
[09:30] <shirish> ShackJack: :( to know that
[09:30] <xerox__> shirish: ok what to use insted then?
[09:31] <SlimeyPete> dragon52225: sorry I can't be more help, but it does sound like a bit of a showstopper
[09:31] <CarlFK> in the installers busybox shell, how would I install http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/gpm ?
[09:31] <CarlFK> anna-install something...
[09:31] <dragon52225> Awww
[09:31] <dragon52225> Do i have to sign up to file a bug?
[09:31] <ShackJack> shirish - S'O.k. booting .13 from GRUB sets it all back to normal :)
[09:31] <shirish> xerox__: no I meant tht if you are running the feisty install package it does not use Gparted anymore
[09:31] <SlimeyPete> I think so, but the process is quick.
[09:31] <jarle> shirish: going down for reboot, wish me luck!
[09:32] <shirish> ShackJack: so then its a bug in the .14 kernel although there is a slight update there-in also
[09:32] <shirish> xerox_: there is Gparted, there is also Qtparted which u can use, although where are u going wrong with the feisty partitioner?
[09:33] <shirish> ShackJack: there was an update from 2.6.20-14.11 to 2.6.20.14-12 a while ago
[09:33] <djnevs> cant install nvidia-glx-legacy from adept, when i press request install, nothing happens. stays "no change"
[09:33] <xerox__> Im in fiesty but ned to do a bit partion management
[09:33] <djnevs> help?
[09:34] <dragon52225> i'm not too sure how to search if my bug exists
[09:34] <xerox__> moving fiesty to a bigger partion since it works so damn well :)
[09:34] <dragon52225> because whatever i search its either no results or too many
[09:34] <shirish> dragon52225: first of you will have to register at launchpad
[09:34] <dragon52225> i did
[09:34] <shirish> !info launchpad
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> djnevs: use apt-get. In a terminal, type "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy"
[09:34] <ubotu> Package launchpad does not exist in feisty
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> see if that works.
[09:34] <shirish> !launchpad
[09:34] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[09:34] <djnevs> doesnt work eighter
[09:35] <ShackJack> shirish - seems to be a buggie or a conflict any way... I was upgrading from .13->.14
[09:35] <CarlFK> xerox__: what does "in fiesty" mean?
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> djnevs: does apt-get give you an error message?
[09:35] <djnevs> yea sec.
[09:35] <AndyCR1> hi
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[09:35] <AndyCR1> im having an issue with fiesty
[09:36] <xerox__> shirish: im using fiesty rigth now and need an partion manager
[09:36] <shirish> dragon52225: what is the bug you are searching for?
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> AndyCR1: what's the problem?
[09:36] <AndyCR1> the networkmanager applet doesnt seem to like my intel pro/wireless 3945abg card
[09:36] <shirish> xerox__: a moment please
[09:36] <AndyCR1> it tries to connect and times out
[09:36] <AndyCR1> if i use iwconfig it works fine, but i would much prefer networkmanager
[09:36] <djnevs> the package isnt avalible, but it directs to another package, possable it doesnt exist or is a older version
[09:36] <AndyCR1> driver is ipw3945
[09:36] <djnevs> something like that
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> AndyCR1: hrm, sounds like a bug. Have you checked the launchpad for bug reports?
[09:37] <AndyCR1> no
[09:37] <xerox__> installed gpated but it behaves strange as I sad
[09:37] <shirish> xerox_: have u tried running parted, sudo parted which is already there in the system
[09:37] <SlimeyPete> djnevs: how odd. Maybe the repositories are a bit screwed atm. Have you reloaded your package list recently?
[09:37] <xerox__> nope I try thx
[09:37] <djnevs> reloaded?
[09:37] <djnevs> apt-get update
[09:37] <djnevs> ?
[09:37] <SlimeyPete> yeah
[09:37] <djnevs> yea just did that
[09:37] <djnevs> :p
[09:38] <joumetal> dragon 52225 search your name with advanced search.
[09:38] <dragon52225> why?
[09:38] <djnevs> but it happend since the beginning i upgraded to feisty
[09:38] <dragon52225> joumetal
[09:38] <dragon52225> and shirish: its an cd install bug
[09:38] <djnevs> i can install it from .deb (packages.ubuntu.com)
[09:38] <djnevs> but those dont work
[09:39] <shirish> dragon52225: so it most probably be under debian-installer
[09:39] <shirish> dragon52225: look for debian-installer bugs that is the package which does the installation part I guess
[09:39] <AndyCR1> SlimeyPete: nope, no bugs
[09:39] <AndyCR1> i click connect
[09:40] <AndyCR1> (it finds my network fine)
[09:40] <AndyCR1> enter my wep key
[09:40] <AndyCR1> it shows the connecting animation for awhile
[09:40] <AndyCR1> then goes back to the disconnected image, and im not connected
[09:40] <AndyCR1> key is correct
[09:40] <AndyCR1> go into terminal
[09:40] <djnevs> help?
[09:40] <shirish> AndyCR1: it seems there are issues with WEP stuff atm, there had been couple of guys who were here earlier who also told about this
[09:40] <eagles0513875> hey all
[09:40] <AndyCR1> hmm
[09:41] <Arko> hi all
[09:41] <AndyCR1> would wpa work?
[09:41] <dragon52225> ummm
[09:41] <shirish> no idea, I am on ethernet
[09:41] <dragon52225> i typed out my bug
[09:41] <AndyCR1> ah
[09:41] <dragon52225> but which package should i file it for?
[09:41] <dragon52225> i'll just choose "I don't know"
[09:42] <shirish> dragon52225: that is what I was saying look for debian-installer, they can always change if it does not fit
[09:42] <jarle> shirish: Atleast I got a different error when trying to start X with the nvidia driver... that's a start :)
[09:42] <AndyCR1> well, i would certainly prefer to not be sending packets in the open
[09:43] <shirish> jarle: lol :P
[09:43] <eagles0513875> i have a wiki used to set up open gl with my ati gpu in edgy would it work with feisty
[09:43] <djnevs> what did you do?
[09:43] <shirish> jarle: I hope u are writing all the errors down somewhere
[09:43] <djnevs> @jarle
[09:43] <gnomefreak> dragon52225: if desktop cd bug goes against ubiquity if alternate cd bug goes against debian-installer
[09:44] <gerv> How does one deal with a partially-installed package?
[09:44] <jarle> Now the nvidia driver fails to load, instead of the whole X getting a signal 11..
[09:45] <djnevs> i had same with the kernel
[09:45] <djnevs> kernel of nvidia
[09:45] <Arko> Totem is using 100% of CPU. How to reduce that CPU usage?
[09:45] <djnevs> use vlc
[09:45] <djnevs> in stead of totem
[09:46] <dragon52225> Yeah i filed a report....
[09:46] <ep2011> is feisty stable enough to install?
[09:46] <pari> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.
[09:46] <dragon52225> I'm not that advanced, so i can't exactly provide too much detail.
[09:46] <pari> Great.
[09:46] <pari> :/
[09:46] <dragon52225> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103435
[09:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 103435 in Ubuntu "Install CD Issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:46] <dragon52225> Someone tell me if i need more detail.
[09:46] <Ximal_> I installed ubuntu on a seperate partition.. Unfortunately I cannot get sound to work but the video works perfectly.. I am unsure if it is using my proper video drivers for my gforce card.. If not the generic..
[09:47] <Arko> djnevs: that is not the kinda solution I am looking for
[09:47] <Ximal_> The issue though is with my sound card being imbedded..
[09:47] <djnevs> ok sorry
[09:47] <Ximal_> Is there a way to use generic sound drivers on an intel motherboard ?
[09:47] <Ximal_> I am using a 3ghz processor intel pentium.. with that multi processing crap.. not the dual core stuff but the one where it fires on 2 cylinders instead of one so to speak
[09:47] <joumetal> gerv sudo dpkg --configure -a if you want to continue installation.
[09:48] <jarle> shirish: and compiling the nvidia driver from nvidia.com it still complains about missing config.h (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14075/)
[09:48] <Ximal_> Excuse my use of the word crap.. please.. But I'm wandering if there's an easier way to just have it use the sound through the motherboard instead of trying to find the drivers.. like a generic sound setup ?
[09:48] <shirish> jarle: you are asking the wrong person, using integrated graphics sorry
[09:49] <Ximal_> anyone ?>
[09:51] <eagles0513875> how do i setup apt repositories
[09:51] <shirish> !info gdesklets
[09:51] <eagles0513875> its complaining i have duplicates
[09:51] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[09:52] <jarle> djnevs: somehow linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386 wasn't installed... installing it now...
[09:52] <gerv> joumetal: Thanks!
[09:52] <djnevs> jarle: yea thats it.. ;)
[09:52] <gerv> Anything I try gives errors
[09:52] <gerv> Is there no "nuke it, no I don't care if you can't find it to stop it, nuke it anyway" option?
[09:52] <[miles] > evening guys
[09:52] <gerv> Any "rm -rf {every file in the manifest}" option?
[09:53] <shirish> gerv, u used synaptic, apt-get with the -force & --purge
[09:53] <shirish> apt-get remove autoremove --force --purge packagename
[09:53] <AndyCR1> ok, now i cant get wifi to work at all
[09:53] <[miles] > anyone got ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Azalia working ?
[09:54] <[miles] > got no sound on my new laptop
[09:54] <AndyCR1> again, ipw3945, networkmanager times out, using iwconfig dhcp times out
[09:54] <Ximal_> noone ?
[09:54] <[miles] > Ximal_: what was your Q?
[09:54] <eagles0513875> is there a wine repository i can add
[09:55] <eagles0513875> wait nm
[09:55] <cliebow> AndyCR1, try knetworkmanager
[09:55] <remaxim> hello
[09:55] <eagles0513875> r there any 64 bit emulators
[09:55] <AndyCR1> cliebow: cant, no internet
[09:55] <eagles0513875> windows emulators
[09:56] <[miles] > knetworkmanager is a pain
[09:56] <shirish> AndyCR1: you have seen this wiki page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessNetworking
[09:56] <[miles] > I compiled the new release of wlanassistant
[09:56] <cliebow> or wifi-radar
[09:56] <cliebow> hmmm..what wireless card?
[09:56] <[miles] > cos I hate using dhcp
[09:56] <shirish> AndyCR1: also the wireless trouble-shooting guide mentioned there in
[09:56] <Ximal_> MILES : question was about soundcard issues
[09:57] <[miles] > Ximal_: what card? I also have a problem with sound card
[09:57] <[miles] > Ximal_: on my samsung R20 laptop
[09:57] <darich> new kernel hassles over with :)
[09:57] <Ximal_> MILES : How do I make the soundcard use the chipset drivers verse the drivers of sound max.. On windows I can install chipset drivers or motherboard sound card drivers to make them work..
[09:57] <cliebow> AndyCR1, what are you telepathis:how are you on xchat?
[09:57] <remaxim> i am a little bit lazy and wanted to ask if feisty is allready running quite stabil... I need to install a new ubuntu and don't want to update in 2 weeks. It's for privat use and doesn't have to be ultra stabil
[09:58] <Ximal_> MILES : Is it possible to wrap windows drivers ? does ubuntu have that installed ? where you can wrap stuff ?
[09:58] <[miles] > Ximal_: you don't wrap windows drivers
[09:58] <Ximal_> I'm thinking that since ubuntu if FULLY FUNCTIONAL other than sound.. I mean no video chopping when I move windows or play the demo video or anything..
[09:58] <Ximal_> That it's possible to..
[09:58] <[miles] > Ximal_: bbiam
[09:58] <AndyCR1> cliebow: different machine
[09:58] <Ximal_> bbiam ?
[09:58] <Ximal_> ok
[09:58] <AndyCR1> running a different distro
[09:58] <[miles] > be back in a minute
[09:58] <Ximal_> bbiam too.. bathroom break..
[09:58] <gerv> Anyone here got a machine with a single hard disk running Feisty?
[09:58] <[miles] > need a smoke
[09:59] <gerv> What do you get from cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf ?
[09:59] <AndyCR1> gerv: me
[09:59] <Ximal_> lol me too... but i gotta go to bathroom t00
[09:59] <gerv> msg me if you like
[09:59] <shirish> gerv: 2 hdd but one hdd with feisty what is the issue?
[09:59] <Ximal_> I got a single hard disk
[09:59] <gerv> Trying to test the Feisty beta bricked my laptop.
[09:59] <AndyCR1> gerv: no such file or directory
[09:59] <gerv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[09:59] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[09:59] <Draconicus> brb
[09:59] <gerv> Anyone know if I can just remove mdadm and be free of this mess?
[09:59] <gerv> I only have one disk...
[10:00] <shirish> !info mdadm
[10:00] <ubotu> mdadm: tool to administer Linux MD arrays (software RAID). In component main, is optional. Version 2.5.6-7ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 225 kB, installed size 664 kB
[10:01] <Ximal_> hey gerv..
[10:01] <gerv> Hey.
[10:01] <Ximal_> why not just set your windows partition to be the main boot and use partition magic to take the full disk back
[10:01] <shirish> gerv: add to your bug that debian-installer should become intelligent enough that it recognizes it is a single hdd & hence no RAID is necessary
[10:01] <Ximal_> It's what I used to do.. is install a lilo type boot prog and make windows primary partition
[10:01] <gerv> Ximal_: What Windows partition?
[10:01] <Ximal_> you on ubuntu now ?
[10:01] <gerv> Do I know you?
[10:02] <gerv> I've been on Linux for years.
[10:02] <jarle> no luck...
[10:02] <gerv> My primary desktop does have a Windows partition, but my laptop doesn't.
[10:02] <Ximal_> ok
[10:02] <gerv> I can boot using a LiveCD.
[10:02] <Ximal_> aye..
[10:02] <gerv> That's what I'm using (with chroot) to do what I'm doing now.
[10:02] <Ximal_> AHH
[10:02] <Ximal_> well do you have a windows 98 disk ?
[10:02] <Ximal_> a cd i mean ?
[10:02] <Ximal_> if so you can use it's fdisk tools
[10:03] <Ximal_> to fdisk /mbr
[10:03] <gerv> Oh, come on.
[10:03] <Ximal_> it will erase the hold ubuntu has on it and reinstall a different distro
[10:03] <gerv> Are you telling me that Linux can't get me out of the mess it got me in to, and I have to resort to being rescued by Win98?
[10:03] <Ximal_> well..
[10:03] <Ximal_> if ubuntu's live cd is what you are using..
[10:03] <Ximal_> google an fdisk diskette image..
[10:03] <gerv> That's like your hummer running out of petrol and being rescued by an old lady in a DeLorean.
[10:03] <Ximal_> and use the fdisk /mbr command from it
[10:03] <gerv> Why do I need to fdisk /mbr?
[10:04] <Ximal_> it will erase the master boot record allowing you to reinstall and reformatt
[10:04] <gerv> Reinstall and reformat? you must be joking.
[10:04] <Ximal_> it will make any thing you try to install think it's a brand new install.. that's all
[10:04] <Ximal_> just a suggestion..
[10:04] <gerv> Just a suggestion!
[10:04] <gerv> I bet most people's problems go away when you suggest things.
[10:04] <Ximal_> u having trouble booting etc ? or what ?
[10:05] <gerv> "Hey, the GIMP isn't working".
[10:05] <gerv> "Reformat and reinstall, that'll fix it."
[10:05] <Ximal_> all i saw is your "laptop is bricked" which i take to be a total loss
[10:05] <colbert2k7> gerv: dude we all try to help if you don't like the advice no need to ridicule
[10:05] <gerv> OK.
[10:05] <AndyCR1> bricked tends to mean "need to reinstall"...
[10:05] <hanzz> ok.. so upgrade from edgy to feisty fail... i think that i fix it, but i want to run upgrade again.. how can i do it? i'm using kubuntu
[10:05] <Ximal_> yeah man.. i'm new... but i've installed and supported my OWN self and found what works absolute.. i mean not best but absolute..
[10:05] <gerv> bricked in this case is a bit of hyperbole.
[10:05] <AndyCR1> if i brick my router, i need to reinstall the firmware...
[10:05] <gerv> There's nothing actually wrong with the hardware.
[10:05] <AndyCR1> ah
[10:06] <gerv> Maybe I should say semi-bricked.
[10:06] <Ximal_> ok
[10:06] <gerv> Effectively-bricked.
[10:06] <gerv> Pseudo-bricked.
[10:06] <Ximal_> so you can't boot INTO it ?
[10:06] <gerv> Partially bricked.
[10:06] <Ximal_> what's the symptoms / error message ? if you didn't repeat it yet..
[10:06] <gerv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[10:06] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:07] <gerv> I can boot to an (initramfs) prompt.
[10:07] <gerv> Or I can boot from a liveCD and modify the main disk that way.
[10:07] <Ximal_> can you boot in CHOICE mode.. you know.. ermm.. what's it called.. I don't know the proper term..
[10:07] <Ximal_> Where you choose each device that boots..
[10:07] <[miles] > Ximal_: 2 more minutes, desktop is just rebooting
[10:08] <AndyCR1> still cant get my wifi to work
[10:08] <Ximal_> It may be just something stupid hanging..
[10:08] <Ximal_> like network... sound drivers etc
[10:08] <gerv> Ximal_: what's hanging is that it isn't mounting my drive.
[10:08] <Ximal_> but it installed fine ? visual installation not druid etc ?
[10:08] <gerv> I upgraded from Edgy, and as far as I could tell it went fine.
[10:08] <Ximal_> did you try installing fully or did you use some sort of custom ?
[10:08] <gerv> Various conffile conflicts, but I told it to use the new one each time.
[10:09] <Ximal_> ok.. don't upgrade.. do a fresh install.. backup software and files setting etc.. and put them back..
[10:09] <Ximal_> unless you've done some major change to kernel etc etc.. there's no reason to fuss over a fresh install
[10:09] <gerv> Upgrading is supposed to work.
[10:09] <Ximal_> heck even a format to clear out the clutter
[10:09] <gerv> I thought Linux wasn't supposed to get "clutter"?
[10:09] <Ximal_> it can..
[10:10] <Ximal_> installing and upgrading is one of the easiest ways if you don't have a degree sometimes.. lol
[10:10] <[miles] > damn it, seems the nvidia drivers are missing out of the new 2.6.20-14 :-)
[10:10] <gerv> Look, I'm not going to reformat my disk, OK?
[10:10] <Ximal_> like you said.. it isn't WINDOWS lol
[10:10] <gerv> Any less drastic suggestions?
[10:10] <[miles] > Ximal_: ok, explain to me exactly whats up?
[10:10] <Ximal_> well miles.. i'm trying to get sound to work.. when i boot i use the x.x.x.20-14
[10:10] <Ximal_> I haven't tried X-13 yet..
[10:11] <rambo3> :P gerv  you had automatix didn't you ?
[10:11] <Ximal_> The sound drivers don't work but the dang video works awesome
[10:11] <gerv> rambo3: No.
[10:11] <gerv> I try very hard not to install non-free rubbish.
[10:11] <gerv> Hence my horror at the idea of having to be rescued by Windows.
[10:12] <[miles] > Ximal_: what hardware is it?
[10:12] <phaidros> gerv whats the prob?
[10:12] <Ximal_> dude.. i'm going to say to you gerv.. just because mister billy made a program from stolen g00ds doesn't mean using micrashafty stuff is indignable..
[10:12] <gerv> phaidros: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102148
[10:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 102148 in mdadm "Machine won't boot; mdadm says "no device listed..."" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:12] <Ximal_> Miles I'm using the intel pentium 4 3ghz 1 gig ram chipset dell i bought..
[10:13] <Ximal_> I have a sound max embedded soundcard..
[10:13] <Ximal_> It's all integral hardware.. nothing slotted..
[10:13] <phaidros> gerv: tried to remove mdadm for a test?
[10:13] <Ximal_> cept the vid card..
[10:13] <gerv> phaidros: Yes, just tried that.
[10:13] <gerv> The boot process got even less far.
[10:13] <dragon52225> Hey anyone here have a lower end compaq PC?
[10:13] <gerv> I.e. it got the same distance, but no error message from mdadm.
[10:14] <phaidros> gerv: for some kernels during beta I had to rebuld initramfs for t41p
[10:14] <[miles] > Ximal_: pastebin me the lspci -nn
[10:14] <phaidros> gerv: initramfss /boot/bla.initrd $kernelversion
[10:15] <Ximal_> lol i'm not in linux right now brother.. i'm on my windows side of the hd
[10:15] <phaidros> gerv: maybe that help
[10:15] <Ximal_> I'm going to have to b00t into it..
[10:15] <gerv> phaidros: Thanks for the suggestion.
[10:15] <[miles] >  nod
[10:15] <Ximal_> you wanna wait till i b00t it ?
[10:15] <[miles] > Ximal_: sure
[10:15] <gerv> "b00t"?
[10:15] <EdsipeR> hi
[10:16] <Ximal_> that's right.. I am intelligible enough to use 2 partitions in case something goes wrong on one side so i don't have to use 2 different computers to find out what's up.. lol
[10:16] <EdsipeR> why my ssh ahd vsftpd services wasn't run at boot time?
[10:16] <phaidros> gerv: and for some reason I sometimes read and heared its better to use aptitude and dist-upgrade for updating expecting major changes
[10:16] <gerv> phaidros: When you say "bla.initrd", do you mean "initrd.bla"?
[10:16] <gerv> I don't have any "*.initrd" in my /boot.
[10:16] <phaidros> Ximal_: go trolling somwhere else?? ;)
[10:16] <EdsipeR> do exist any problem in ubuntu 7.04 at boot services?
[10:16] <phaidros> gerv, not??
[10:17] <gerv> I have loads of "initrd.*"
[10:17] <Ximal_> phaidros : not trying to troll.. i'm trying to get honest help . brb
[10:17] <gerv> But no "*.initrd"
[10:18] <phaidros> gerv: right, sry initrd.img-$kernelversion
[10:18] <gerv> OK.
[10:18] <gerv> Before we try and fix that problem, can we fix another one first>
[10:18] <gerv> ?
[10:19] <gerv> It seems I have two packages in a really bad state.
[10:19] <gerv> Whatever I try and do, it says "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal".
[10:19] <gerv> This happens if I try and remove, or if I try and install.
[10:20] <phaidros> gerv: try dpkg -r package and the reinstall with aptitude
[10:20] <gerv> dpkg -r fails with the same error.
[10:20] <phaidros> anyone, is there a --force for dpkg?
[10:21] <phaidros> gerv: that should maybe help if thats your kernel# mkinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.19-4-generic  2.6.19-4-generic
[10:21] <gerv> OK.
[10:21] <gerv> Give me a sec to try a few things.
[10:21] <phaidros> np
[10:23] <psyke83> hi, is anyone here using a zd1211-based wireless card?
[10:24] <Ximal> ok
[10:24] <Ximal> back
[10:25] <Ximal> miles : you around m8 ?
[10:27] <rambo3> phaidros, dpkg --h
[10:28] <rambo3> -
[10:29] <AndyCR> ok, talking from my problem machine now
[10:29] <Ximal> MILES : ? You here ?
[10:29] <AndyCR> got wifi to work with iwconfig
[10:30] <AndyCR> im going to apply all updates after i get the system into a usable state and see if that fixes it
[10:32] <[miles] > Ximal: sorry yeah im here
[10:32] <Ximal> lol it's k m8..
[10:32] <[miles] > Ximal: best thing to do is grab this script http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh
[10:32] <Ximal> dang more distro upgrade ?
[10:32] <[miles] > Ximal: and chmod +x filename
[10:32] <Ximal> oh hey what did you want me to paste now ?
[10:32] <[miles] > Ximal: ./filename
[10:33] <[miles] > Ximal: nah, just do what I've said
[10:33] <Ximal> umm unfortunately i'm unable to follow all you said.. it's been about 4 years since i've ran a distro of linux.. i'm still on mandrake before it became penguin .. :S
[10:34] <[miles] > Ximal: open a console, and type wget http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh
[10:34] <[miles] > Ximal: then type chmod +x alsa-info.sh
[10:34] <[miles] > Ximal: then type ./alsa-info.sh
[10:35] <Ximal> bash: ./also-info.sh: No such file or directory
[10:35] <Ximal> ximal@ximal-tower:~$
[10:35] <Ximal> i just got that
[10:36] <[miles] > sorry gotta go eat
[10:36] <[miles] > bbiam
[10:36] <pizux> wonder why nautilus-open-terminal isn't include by default ?
[10:37] <pizux> it's by default on kde no?
[10:38] <ThomasWaldmann> moin
[10:38] <ThomasWaldmann> why does ubuntu 7.04 beta call halt with -i and -h options?
[10:38] <gnomefreak> pizux: nautilus isnt used with kde
[10:39] <Ximal> hmm.. how do i find the gforce fx 3d package ? err where's the package installer ?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Ximal: is it a geforce4 card?
[10:39] <ThomasWaldmann> the man page tells that this is unnecessary
[10:39] <Ximal> yes i think so m8..
[10:39] <Ximal> i mean my vid card is working pretty g00d right now though
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Ximal: what is the model
[10:40] <Ximal> erm whats the command to find out ?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> lspic
[10:40] <gnomefreak> oops
[10:40] <gnomefreak> lspci
[10:40] <Ximal> gforce 6800
[10:40] <Ximal> wow
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Ximal: install nvidia-glx using synaptic
[10:41] <gnomefreak> !nvidia | Ximal
[10:41] <ubotu> Ximal: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:41] <michaelfavia> or sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:41] <Ximal> i just found the umm.. AC97 sound thing...  that's what i have is AC97 audio hardware it says
[10:41] <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, makes no difference. joybook s73u doesnt poweroff.
[10:42] <michaelfavia> gnomefreak, that howto is largely useless for feisty no?
[10:42] <michaelfavia> or was t update recently
[10:42] <gnomefreak> michaelfavia: no
[10:42] <gnomefreak> its fine.
[10:43] <gnomefreak> for his card it will work as it did in edgy
[10:43] <Ximal> can't do the sudo right now.. distribution package upgrade in progress
[10:45] <Askar> What do I have to install to make glchess become 3d?
[10:47] <[miles] > Ximal: back
[10:47] <[miles] > Ximal: did you run that script?
[10:47] <Ximal> aye..
[10:47] <Ximal> tried.. got an error
[10:47] <[miles] > what?
[10:47] <Ximal> i think it's because distro upgrade is running
[10:47] <[miles] > doubt it
[10:48] <Ximal> waiting for it finish up right now.. then will try again .. k ?
[10:48] <Ximal> what was the command again ? i did the wget
[10:48] <Ximal> ximal@ximal-tower:~$ ./also-info.sh
[10:48] <Ximal> bash: ./also-info.sh: No such file or directory
[10:48] <[miles] > give it executable perms by doing chmod +x filename
[10:48] <Ximal> you'll have to type it out miles..
[10:48] <gerv> Ximal: Perhaps "als_a_-info"?
[10:49] <Ximal> trying it now gerv.. thanks
[10:49] <Ximal> nope
[10:49] <[miles] > chmod +x alsa-info.sh
[10:50] <Ximal> mal@ximal-tower:~$ chmod +x also-info.sh
[10:50] <Ximal> chmod: cannot access `also-info.sh': No such file or directory
[10:50] <_dennis_> hi, i installed unrar for ubuntu, so i try sudo unrar -e file.rar but this doesn't seems to work?
[10:50] <Ximal> do i need to root ?
[10:50] <gerv> Ximal: You still can't spell.
[10:50] <[miles] > no!
[10:50] <[miles] > Ximal: where are you from?
[10:51] <Ximal> :( kentucky
[10:51] <Ximal> why ?
[10:51] <[miles] > Ximal: explains the weird english
[10:51] <[miles] > lol
[10:52] <Ximal> nah i grew up loving pc's and after seeing the "zero you know who" movie I ended up falling in love with freenix.. u know.. free software open source community like minded operating system stuff..
[10:52] <Ximal> so i talk stupid after going through the script kiddie / uber leet speaker / type era of crud..  u know.. stupid influence bad habbit maker stuff..
[10:52] <Ximal> lol
[10:53] <[miles] > erm ok
[10:53] <gerv> Ximal: There's nothing wrong with being a newbie, but I might suggest that if someone appears in a support channel with a deeply technical boot-related problem to do with RAID arrays, you might refrain from suggesting that he reformat his hard disk.
[10:53] <Ximal> ermm ok a little bit much of tired speek..
[10:53] <gerv> Knowing ones own limits is a virtue :-)
[10:54] <Ximal> aye gerv i was under the impression you were running a single drive installation..
[10:54] <Ximal> never knew you had raid installed meaning you are using 2 drives as one
[10:54] <gerv> I was. That's rather part of the problem.
[10:54] <Ximal> my apologies m8
[10:54] <[miles] > Ximal: have you ran the fucking script or what?
[10:54] <Ximal> no it won't let me
[10:54] <PriceChild> !ohmy | [miles] 
[10:54] <ubotu> [miles] : Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:54] <[miles] > sorry
[10:54] <gerv> !trout ubotu
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trout ubotu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <Ximal> sorry miles i'm not trying to be rude..
[10:55] <[miles] > :D
[10:55] <PriceChild> !botabuse > gerv (see the pm from ubotu)
[10:55] <Ximal> or slow.. it's been a long time since i had to run command lines by line by line and on
[10:55] <[miles] > #!(/!" Ximal sort it owt
[10:55] <PriceChild> [miles]  if you get frustrated then step away from irc.
[10:55] <Ximal> the alsa command gives me the no file or directory error
[10:56] <[miles] > Ximal: ok install ssh daemon, port forward your router, and gimme your username and password ;)
[10:56] <Ximal> hmm..
[10:56] <[miles] > lol
[10:56] <Ximal> let me THINK about that one..
[10:56] <[miles] > PriceChild: chill dude
[10:56] <Ximal> ssh server.. NOPE not gonna lol..
[10:56] <Ximal> port forward.. nah.. not opening my ports..
[10:56] <[miles] > Ximal: do you know how to use the console?
[10:57] <Ximal> console as in terminal ?
[10:57] <[miles] > Ximal: open one, do the wget command, then the chmod, then the execute command
[10:57] <Ximal> errr console as in no visual ?
[10:57] <gerv> PriceChild: It's hardly abuse. :-)
[10:58] <Ximal> i did all that and i have this error..
[10:58] <Ximal> ximal@ximal-tower:~$ ./also-info.sh
[10:58] <Ximal> bash: ./also-info.sh: No such file or directory
[10:58] <gerv> Ximal: You need to cure your continued inability to spell "alsa".
[10:58] <Ximal> AHH
[10:58] <Ximal> derr..
[10:58] <[miles] > Ximal: no offesnse, but running a beta distro and having limited knowledge is a little crazy
[10:59] <Ximal>  http://pastebin.ca/425983
[10:59] <Poul^Laptop> miles, so was i told, but i managed to get around :)
[10:59] <Poul^Laptop> installed fiesty as my first linux :)
[11:00] <[miles] > Ximal: I have that chipset in my desktop box at work... sound works
[11:00] <Ximal> hmm
[11:00] <Ximal> i have a 5 channel soundcard though
[11:00] <[miles] > Ximal: 110% positive
[11:00] <Ximal> wierd ?
[11:00] <darx> hi folks
[11:01] <darx> it appears that certain propreitory codecs are going to be installed by default
[11:01] <Ximal> err well i mean surround sound card
[11:01] <Ximal> what is a default file i can play to test sound then
[11:01] <Ximal> i've tried using beep etc and nothing works
[11:01] <darx> coz i just reinstalled to xubuntu and everything works
[11:01] <darx> Ximal: there are some media files in your home folder
[11:02] <darx> try those
[11:02] <darx> did you find it?
[11:02] <darx> and if you don't hear the startup tune then probably, you sound driver is not installed
[11:03] <Ximal> going to home folder now
[11:03] <Ximal> hmm no sound..
[11:04] <darx> probably driver, try lspci on the terminal
[11:04] <[miles] > darx: I've given him a script
[11:04] <Juhaz> I take it feisty is not supposed to be more sluggish than a gnat in a tar pit with xorg hogging all the cpu?
[11:04] <jarle> Ximal: Volume is often set to 0 after a fresh install...
[11:04] <darx> [miles] : oh sorry.. just came in
[11:05] <[miles] > np
[11:05] <darx> Juhaz: i moved to xubuntu.. and honesty, it rocks
[11:05] <jarle> Ximal: Make sure your volume is set correctly by checking in a mixer for example..
[11:06] <Ximal> i did
[11:07] <Ximal> more than embarrased... but script you gave me to run ?
[11:08] <[miles] > Ximal: what WM u using?
[11:08] <Ximal> ughh wm ?
[11:08] <[miles] > kde, gnome, etc
[11:08] <Ximal> gnome
[11:09] <Ximal> standard ubuntu window manager
[11:09] <Ximal> be it gnome or whatever
[11:10] <Ximal> ello ?
[11:10] <michaelfavia> why does "connect to server" not actually mount the remote location to something a user can save to in the file dialogs?
[11:11] <michaelfavia> it sure would make life alot easier for a good number of people i think.. especially considering windows xp/vista shoddy webdav support
[11:13] <darx> Ximal: whats your sound card?
[11:13] <emet> is RC1 out
[11:13] <michaelfavia> [miles] , not to be picky but you named Desktop environments (gnome, kde) not window managers (metacity, compiz, etc)
[11:14] <Ximal> http://pastebin.ca/425983
[11:15] <darx> Ximal: strange.. your sound card should be well supported
[11:15] <[miles] > it is
[11:15] <[miles] > lol
[11:15] <[miles] > I have one at work
[11:16] <[miles] > Ximal: dude, remove the Z80 CPU, and swap it for a 65c816 from a super nintendo
[11:16] <Ximal> possible because i'm using a dual ionstall ?
[11:17] <humbolto> I want to design a database layout. Don't need to create the DB, just need a GUI editor to produce a printable layout. Do you guys know any OSS tools for that?
[11:18] <darx> Ximal: are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:18] <Ximal> ubu
[11:18] <darx> k
[11:20] <nookie^> hi! trying to install feisty but i can simply pass "Migrate Documents and Settings" nonthing is happening when its supposed to load something there
[11:20] <nookie^> anyone any ideas?
[11:20] <nookie^> had no problems to install EDGY before
[11:26] <pari> hello again, any good news regarding nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[11:28] <PriceChild> nookie^, you realise feisty isn't finished yet? What cd are you using?
[11:28] <PriceChild> pari, still waiting sorry
[11:28] <Daemonik> When Ubuntu 7 is officially released and no longer beta, those of us using the beta can simply apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade and we're good?
[11:28] <finalbeta> Yes
[11:29] <chili5555> update or dist-upgrade?
[11:29] <nookie^> PriceChild: i know that.. but how are people even supposed to install and try it if the installation cant work properly?
[11:29] <PriceChild> Daemonik, update, upgrade, dist-upgrade
[11:30] <chili5555> try em all!
[11:30] <PriceChild> nookie^, If you can repeat it please file a bug. Might help to know what disc you're using
[11:30] <nookie^> PriceChild: downloaded latest today... f
[11:30] <nookie^> PriceChild: i will report it since i found out on the forums that im not the only one with this problem =)
[11:31] <PriceChild> nookie^, so? developers don't read the forums
[11:31] <PriceChild> nookie^, check launchpad for bugs
[11:31] <nookie^> PriceChild: on the way =)=
[11:31] <PriceChild> nookie^, see if they are being asked for more information etc.
[11:32] <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, new kernel, still no poweroff
[11:32] <AmyRose> Let me get this straight--I have to use the 7184 drivers for OpenGL on my GeForce4?!
[11:33] <AmyRose> or do it manually?
[11:33] <AmyRose> I'd rather do it manually.
[11:33] <AmyRose> Or does nvidia-legacy include the 9631 driver?
[11:33] <PriceChild> AmyRose, Yes for now
[11:33] <PriceChild> AmyRose, If you are patient, 9631 will lbe packaged
[11:34] <PriceChild> bug 96430
[11:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 96430 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "MASTER: Request for new-legacy nvidia drivers (9631)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96430
[11:34] <AmyRose> Sure, I was just asking.
[11:34] <PriceChild> :S wasn't meaning to sound  nasty sorry.
[11:35] <nookie^> PriceChild: saw that the bug has been reported 10 times already.. so ill just leave it as it is =)
[11:35] <ThomasWaldmann> will now halt. power down. --> nothing happens, power stays on.
[11:35] <PriceChild> nookie^, hehe :)
[11:35] <PriceChild> ThomasWaldmann, checked launchpad for bugs?
[11:35] <AmyRose> Well, I was just asking PriceChild. I am perfectly fine with blacklisting the nvidia drivers and going the manual route for now.
[11:35] <AmyRose> Someone on #ubuntu-offtopic told me how to disable the nvidia drivers without disabling my wireless
[11:36] <AmyRose> Thanks.
[11:36] <AmyRose> :)
[11:36] <PriceChild> why is 7184 not good enough for you?
[11:36] <AmyRose> Nope. It doesn't work right on my laptop >.<
[11:36] <PriceChild> You want your wobbly windows? :)
[11:36] <PriceChild> ahh ok
[11:36] <AmyRose> Heck yeah, PriceChild!
[11:37] <gerv> Anyone here know anything about mdadm?
[11:37] <PriceChild> !nvidia9
[11:37] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[11:37] <PriceChild> wait no
[11:37] <PriceChild> that's not for feisty
[11:37] <slimz> hey guys, im trying to upgrade to feisty from edgy, using update-manager -c -d, but i get an authentication error, i tried usiung gpg but it didnt help, any ideas?
[11:37] <chili5555> domo arigato, mr.ubotu
[11:37] <Ximal> ha ha ?
[11:38] <AmyRose> PriceChild: I love Beryl. And I am by no means a newbie, so I am comfortable using the nvidia manual installer for now, now that I know how to disable the Ubuntu nvidia drivers without losing my Atheros driver
[11:38] <Ximal> :( my helper dissappeared :(
[11:38] <PriceChild> you just need to add nv to your blacklist
[11:38] <PriceChild> !blacklist
[11:39] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[11:40] <ThomasWaldmann> PriceChild: found some discussions, but no solution
[11:41] <PriceChild> ThomasWaldmann, so the bug's reported?
[11:41] <phaidros> gerv: initrd rebuild didn't help?
[11:41] <phaidros> ah sry, gtg
[11:41] <PriceChild> !away > phaizZZz
[11:42] <gerv> phaidros: Every time I do something with apt, it reconfigures mdadm and rebuilts initrd.
[11:42] <gerv> So I must have done it a lot of times.
[11:42] <gerv> I can try again with your particular command line if you like.
[11:42] <gerv> Problem is, it takes ten minutes to boot from the liveCD, so progress is very slow.
[11:42] <gerv> What did you say you wanted me to try, again?
[11:43] <ThomasWaldmann> PriceChild: found some old stuff for 2.6.15, trying to locate new bugreports for 2.6.20
[11:43] <PriceChild> If you think its the same problem as yours then assign the bug to the current kernel
[11:44] <phaizZZz> I had once problems booting feisty kernel (not using raid, so not sure if its related to your problem), removed mdadm and rebuild initrd. see man mkinitramfs \
[11:44] <phaizZZz> hth
[11:44] <phaizZZz> now gone :)
[11:44] <gerv> Remove mdadm and rebuild initrd?
[11:44] <gerv> Sounds sensible.
[11:45] <ThomasWaldmann> PriceChild: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/102322
[11:45] <ubotu> Malone bug 102322 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty Fawn not shutting down" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[11:46] <AmyRose> PriceChild: Just adding "nv" to /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules fixed it
[11:46] <PriceChild> AmyRose, cool
[11:46] <gerv> I think I tried that already, but I'll try it again.
[11:48] <barktpolar> Did anyone have any trouble with the FF Alternate Installer?
[11:49] <sacater> hey guys, since i installed feisty beta, my monitor gives me an 'OUT OF RANGE' message when i do certain things, what is this and how can i fix it
[11:49] <ThomasWaldmann> there are also some other reports about that behaviour
[11:49] <sacater> i have tried reconfiguring the xserver
[11:49] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: yes, sucks
[11:49] <sacater> especially when i want to have 2 xservers
[11:49] <ThomasWaldmann> barktpolar: i used alternate installer, was ok
[11:50] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: where are these reports
[11:50] <barktpolar> Cool, I was going to use it as soon as i get it downloaded and burned
[11:50] <ThomasWaldmann> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/98790
[11:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 98790 in linux-source-2.6.20 "shutdown can't auto poweroff PC" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:50] <Daemonik> I've had some odd behavior with the FF desktop installer where it'll see my IDE hard disk which is usually seen as /dev/hda as /dev/sdb
[11:51] <barktpolar> Daemonik: Try the alternate installer
[11:51] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: erm, thats nothing to do with my problem
[11:51] <Daemonik> FF alternate sees it as /dev/sda. It could have had something to do with that my laptop is dockable and when I installed FF I did it with an external dvdrom drive instead of the one in the laptop's dock.
[11:52] <ThomasWaldmann> sacater: sorry, that was not for you
[11:52] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: any idea where i can get help for it>
[11:53] <Daemonik> Why does Feisty Fawn see IDE drives as sdx instead of hdx?
[11:53] <ThomasWaldmann> sacater: i would guess maybe the hsync vsync a too near at the limit
[11:53] <sacater> but they are perfect
[11:53] <sacater> i configured myself
[11:53] <ThomasWaldmann> maybe just try a bit less
[11:54] <ThomasWaldmann> some monitors announce more than they can stand
[11:54] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann:
[11:54] <sacater> ok
[11:54] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: no, its correct, it has ranges, not exact specs, and i entered in those ranges
[11:55] <ThomasWaldmann> did you stay well below the upper limit?
[11:55] <Daemonik> "Install in OEM mode". I've done this before and the only apparent difference at a glance was that Synaptic was missing. Are there plans to make in installer where systems ask for usernames and passwords on the first boot like Apple's system does?
[11:55] <Daemonik> I work at a small computer store and we really want something like this.
[11:55] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: lookee here http://benq.co.uk/products/LCD/?product=584&page=specifications
[11:56] <sacater> ThomasWaldmann: ive configured xserver and xorg to use just those
[11:56] <ThomasWaldmann> that's the theory :)
[11:56] <barktpolar> Daemonik: FF doesn't do that?
[11:57] <Daemonik> barktpolar, Have only done this with Edgy not FF yet. FF does this?
[11:57] <barktpolar> I Don't Know, I'm not on FF right now, I'm using XP
[12:00] <sacater> exit
[12:01] <Selenolycus> Does anyone know if the latest Feisty Fawn build included any sort of firewall turned-on by default? For some reason I'm getting a no route to port 22 error when trying to SSH in or outbound.
[12:03] <Daemonik> Selenolycus, Ask in #iptables about how to check if it's on or not I guess.
[12:07] <tominglis> hi guys, i updated my installation last night, and the computer now takes an extra minute to boot? i had an error message in the install, something to do with dmsetup and there not being a config file for it?
[12:08] <tominglis> also, when the kernel thingy gets updated with updates it mentions the same file
[12:08] <Selenolycus> Daemonik: What am I going to ask them, exactly?
[12:09] <Selenolycus> Daemonik: If port 22 is enabled?
[12:09] <Selenolycus> How to check to see if it is, rather.
[12:09] <Daemonik> Yes
[12:09] <gerv> Grr.
[12:09] <Daemonik> How to check if it's on or what it's rules are set to
[12:14] <barktpolar> Also when you run FF's cd, it says something about "Driver Update CD" do you have to be online for that part?
[12:16] <wizard_> i am on feisty i just upgraded and i am having an issue with network manager disconnecting virtually every second and reconnecting
[12:16] <wizard_> it goes off comes back then goes off....
[12:17] <tominglis> hi, has anyone been having problems with slow bootup after the update last night, maybe linked to dmsetup?
[12:18] <wizard_> tominglis: no but network-manager keeps disconnecting my wifi card every 3 min
[12:18] <wizard_> well 3 seconds
[12:18] <rambo3> tominglis, alot of people
[12:18] <Blind32> hey all
[12:19] <rambo3> tominglis, /etc/network/interfaces file has some errors ?
[12:19] <rambo3> or extra data
[12:19] <wizard_> uhg every second its disconnecting!
[12:20] <tominglis> rambo3: is that the cause of the slowness?
[12:20] <tominglis> wizard: what wifi card do you have?
[12:20] <rambo3> tominglis, for most people , its trying to connect other devices that dont exist to internet
[12:21] <tominglis> rambo3: ideal, although there is no cruft in my interfaces file?
[12:21] <tominglis> rambo3: do you know what is up with the dmsetup thing?
[12:21] <wizard_> its an intel using the ipw3945 driver
[12:21] <wizard_> tominglis:
[12:22] <tominglis> rambo3: it asked me if i wanted to replace what i had but recommended no, so i didne, and then now everything seems to tell me i don't have a dmsetup config file
[12:22] <tominglis> rambo3: !? :)
[12:22] <tominglis> wizard: did that happen after you upgraded anything in particular?
[12:22] <wizard_> tominglis: its ben doing it forever but moreso today
[12:23] <rambo3> i am guessing it has something to do with new udev , but i am no expert there
[12:23] <rambo3> !uuid
[12:23] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[12:23] <wizard_> tominglis: however i use network-manager and now that i stopped the default gnome manager it seems to of stopped
[12:23] <wizard_> tominglis: gnome seems to launch two network managers. one looks like a default gnome one the other looks like network-manager
[12:24] <wizard_> tominglis: though i dobut that was it, it seems that network-manager disconnects it frequently.
[12:24] <wizard_> tominglis: especially though when it finds other networks
[12:25] <wizard_> tominglis: like just now it connected dis connected connected
[12:25] <Chicory> Is there any way to disable the "desktop effects" in GNOME?  Safe GNOME seems to freeze before I can alter the settings.
[12:25] <tominglis> wizard_: why don't you kill the networkmanager and just edit your /etc/network/interfaces file?