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| Riddell | keescook: no, except qt widget themes | 12:21 |
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| keescook | Riddell: okay, thanks. mythtv is seeing a lot of crashes in qt libs :( I was hoping for an easy fix. :) | 12:22 |
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| geser | keescook: I'll try tomorrow to file an uvf exception for wordpress 2.1.3 | 12:38 |
| keescook | geser: cool | 12:40 |
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| Fujitsu | keescook: I attached an Edgy debdiff to bug #94238 two weeks ago, can you take a look? | 01:00 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 94238 in mpd "MPD Critical bug, please update to 0.12.2" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94238 | 01:00 |
| keescook | Fujitsu: sure, checking now | 01:01 |
| Fujitsu | Are we meant to poke you once we've got a debdiff? | 01:01 |
| keescook | Fujitsu: yeah, or rather, after you have a debdiff and have tested that the resulting package works and fixes the problem. :) | 01:02 |
| keescook | did you test the Edgy build? | 01:02 |
| Fujitsu | I think so. | 01:03 |
| keescook | heh | 01:03 |
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| keescook | I should subscribe myself to motu-swat, it seems that just marking a bug as "security" doesn't subscribe ubuntu-security any more. :( | 01:03 |
| Fujitsu | I would have thought that it would have been a pretty fundamental thing for the security flag to do that... | 01:04 |
| keescook | Fujitsu: it _used_ to, but it seems some changes recently undid that. I have a bug open about it. | 01:05 |
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| keescook | Fujitsu: anyway, if it's been tested in Edgy, I'll happily publish it. | 01:07 |
| Fujitsu | I'm testing it again now, but AFAICR it's fine. | 01:07 |
| keescook | Fujitsu: okay, cool. Thanks! | 01:10 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks, it works fine. | 01:12 |
| keescook | Fujitsu: oh, btw, that package uses "quilt" for patching. :) | 01:15 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, true. I should probably have checked that. | 01:15 |
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| keescook | Fujitsu: I've moved the patch around; I'll get it uploaded in a few minutes... | 01:35 |
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| Fujitsu | keescook: Thanks. I'm still trying to work out how I am meant to use quilt. Never seen it before. | 01:35 |
| keescook | It's some crazy stuff. | 01:36 |
| Fujitsu | It looks like it. | 01:36 |
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| Fujitsu | I can see why I didn't notice it had a patch system: I normally just look for a debian/patches. | 01:37 |
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| pochu | Hey everybody! Little question: Does the frozen also affects the Universe? | 01:38 |
| _ion | It's usually nice to put the quilt stuff to debian/patches, though. | 01:39 |
| _ion | That's also the canonical cdbs' patchsystem-quilt way. | 01:39 |
| Fujitsu | _ion: In this case, it had quilt included in debian/rules, but didn't actually have any patches, so the only way to notice that it had a patch system was by looking in rules. | 01:40 |
| Fujitsu | pochu: We' | 01:41 |
| Fujitsu | *pochu: We're not in deep freeze for another week. | 01:41 |
| pochu | oh, cool :) | 01:41 |
| pochu | I thought we start today | 01:41 |
| pochu | Oh, Main is frozen since today, but not Universe, right? :) | 01:42 |
| Fujitsu | Yep. | 01:43 |
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| Fujitsu | Thanks keescook. | 03:01 |
| keescook | Fujitsu: no problemo! :) | 03:01 |
| keescook | sorry I missed it for so long. I need to find a better way to get notified about pending debdiffs. :) | 03:02 |
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| sbalneav | Any of the K developers in here? | 04:31 |
| sbalneav | Riddell: pingity? | 04:31 |
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| sbalneav | Hobbsee: Are you involved with the KDE side of things? | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | sbalneav: yes | 04:35 |
| sbalneav | Ah, perfect. You wouldn't happen to know anyone who manages the kde-games package, would you? | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | We've got someone who just pointed out that ktuberling (potato guy) can have a cigar put on him. He's working on a native reserve, and they try to stay away from showing the kids any kind of addicting behavior, and he asked if it could be substituded for something else. | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | I'm thinking "carrot". | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | sbalneav: upstream people. | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | sounds good to me | 04:38 |
| sbalneav | ok, I'll talk to upstream. | 04:39 |
| sbalneav | thx | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | sbalneav: they're involved in kde4 - so i'm not sure if they'll change kde3 stuff | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | sbalneav: i dont know anyone within kubuntu/debian who actually modifies it, beyond packaging | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | I'm grabbing the source right now. May be able to apply a patch if I'm fast enough. :) | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:41 |
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| andrei | If I wanted to ask about my SoC application who would I ask? | 06:49 |
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| glick | hi | 08:23 |
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| glick | hey why doesnt ubuntu give the option of reiserfs on a fresh install? | 08:30 |
| mdke | does anyone know how I can test yelp from a terminal and pass it a different locale to my system one without actually logging in with a different language? | 08:31 |
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| geser | mdke: doesn't the usual "LANG=another_locale yelp" work? | 08:34 |
| mdke | doesn't seem to | 08:36 |
| mdke | maybe I'm using the wrong "another_locale" | 08:36 |
| mdke | I've tried it and it_IT | 08:36 |
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| mdke | and it_IT.UTF-8 | 08:37 |
| minghua | mdke: try LC_ALL=xxx yelp? | 08:38 |
| minghua | (although if LC_ALL works but LANG doesn't, there's something strange in your locale setting) | 08:38 |
| mdke | minghua: no, that doesn't work either. | 08:40 |
| mdke | I'll install language support and login with something else | 08:40 |
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| minghua | mdke: is "it_IT.UTF-8" in your "locale -a" output? | 08:41 |
| mdke | it is now, I suspect it wasn't before | 08:42 |
| mdke | anyway, works | 08:42 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | morning pitti | 08:44 |
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| pitti | Hey Burgundavia! | 08:46 |
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| ogra | mvo, hey | 09:38 |
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| mvo | hey ogra | 09:39 |
| mvo | hey glatzor | 09:39 |
| glatzor | morning mvo! | 09:39 |
| glatzor | mvo: damn, have you seen the build error? | 09:40 |
| mvo | glatzor: yes, its a problem wit hthe buildds | 09:40 |
| ogra | mvo, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070405/feisty-serveraddon-i386.list lists qcad and rasmol (just rsyncing to see if the list isnt lying) | 09:40 |
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| glatzor | mvo: so but the changes found it's way to feisty? | 09:41 |
| mvo | ogra: ok, I check here now as well again with the current image | 09:41 |
| mvo | glatzor: yes | 09:41 |
| glatzor | mvo: sorry but I have to leave again, | 09:41 |
| glatzor | fine that saved my day :) | 09:41 |
| mvo | glatzor: also not build ye | 09:41 |
| === glatzor hugs mvo | ||
| mvo | glatzor: :) | 09:41 |
| === mvo hugs glatzor | ||
| mvo | glatzor: have fuN! | 09:42 |
| ogra | i'm sure they were there during beta ... i wouldnt know any reason why they should vanish | 09:42 |
| glatzor | mvo: work is always fun ... :/ | 09:42 |
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| ogra | mvo, ogra@edubuntu:/media/disk/isos/edubuntu$ sudo mount -o loop feisty-serveraddon-i386.iso /cdrom | 10:04 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:/media/disk/isos/edubuntu$ ls /cdrom/pool/main/q/qcad/ | 10:04 |
| ogra | qcad_2.0.5.0-1-2_i386.deb | 10:04 |
| mvo | ogra: can you please search for _usr_share_pixmaps_qcad.xpm and rasmol.xpm on the CD? is it there? | 10:05 |
| ogra | yes | 10:05 |
| ogra | in the icons dir | 10:05 |
| mvo | ogra: I'm rsynincing the current image now and can debug it further | 10:05 |
| ogra | it was there in beta as well | 10:05 |
| mvo | ogra: ok, but it does not show? | 10:05 |
| ogra | right | 10:05 |
| mvo | grumpf | 10:05 |
| mvo | ok, I will wait until the CD is here | 10:06 |
| ogra | i just see kturtle uses xpm as well, lets see if kturtle shows up | 10:06 |
| ogra | (burning iso atm) | 10:06 |
| pitti | how on earth did the desktop CDs grow by 8 MB in one night? | 10:06 |
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| ogra | pitti, ah, its not only edubuntu then, phew | 10:07 |
| mvo | too much collate | 10:07 |
| mvo | cocklate | 10:07 |
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| pitti | chocolate? | 10:07 |
| mvo | schokolade (/me hasn't had his first tea yet) | 10:07 |
| ogra | chuckle late ? | 10:07 |
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| pitti | hey dholbach | 10:11 |
| dholbach | good morning | 10:11 |
| pitti | dholbach: I just got your HUG day announcement from March 29 | 10:11 |
| pitti | yay ML delay | 10:11 |
| mvo | hey dholbach! | 10:11 |
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| ogra | mvo, close the bug ... all there :D | 10:12 |
| mvo | ogra: booth icons show here (in ubuntu) - is this edubuntu specific maybe? | 10:12 |
| mvo | ogra: I close it happily :) what was the issue? or did it just resolved itself over time? | 10:13 |
| ogra | even though i dont understand why they werent there in beta | 10:13 |
| ogra | i must admit i havent checked the addon CD since beta ... | 10:13 |
| mvo | ogra: no problem, it may well be that the icons weren't extracted in beta for some reason etc. good that its fixed now | 10:14 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:14 |
| ogra | :) | 10:14 |
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| pitti | ogra: ah, got it | 10:22 |
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| pitti | old CD: | 10:23 |
| pitti | 449K ubuntu-docs | 10:23 |
| pitti | new CD: | 10:23 |
| pitti | 8,6M ubuntu-docs | 10:23 |
| pitti | WTF?? | 10:23 |
| ogra | heh | 10:23 |
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| ogra | screenshots added ? | 10:23 |
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| Treenaks | translations? | 10:24 |
| kwwii | hi dholbach | 10:24 |
| kwwii | dholbach: can you think of anything that I have missed or that we still need to do? | 10:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: nothing to do with me | 10:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: ubuntu-docs has been translated | 10:24 |
| dholbach | kwwii: apart from the list of bugs... dunno | 10:25 |
| === pitti cannot believe that it contains some 50 MB of translations now | ||
| seb128 | pitti: it was not translated before .... | 10:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: you can expect a translated xml taking as much as the english one, so you get english * number_of_translation | 10:25 |
| kwwii | dholbach: cool, thanks :-) (just thought I should check with you) | 10:25 |
| saispo | hi seb128 | 10:25 |
| seb128 | lu saispo | 10:25 |
| dholbach | kwwii: if I come across anything, I'll let you know | 10:26 |
| saispo | fine ? | 10:26 |
| pitti | seb128: aah, I see -- it just has 50 copies of identical files | 10:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: not "identical" but yeah | 10:26 |
| seb128 | saispo: yes, I'm great, how are you? | 10:26 |
| pitti | seb128: most of them seem to be identical to the C version (the untranslated ones) | 10:26 |
| pitti | seb128: mind if I take a look at it and add some symlinking magic? | 10:27 |
| saispo | seb128: yes fine, just a big freeze with latest feisty update and i don't understand why... | 10:27 |
| saispo | i suspect X... | 10:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: I don't work on that package, you want to speak to mdke | 10:27 |
| kwwii | seb128: did you see bug #84931? once quick and dirty solution would be to make GAIM use the simple text-mimetype | 10:27 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 84931 in human-icon-theme "Various icons don't have a 16x16 icon size" [Low,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84931 | 10:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm fine with it, the things is they can have 1 string translated | 10:27 |
| kwwii | s/once/one | 10:27 |
| pitti | mdke: can we talk about shrinking ubuntu-docs? | 10:27 |
| seb128 | saispo: while the update or happening all the time? | 10:28 |
| seb128 | kwwii: looking | 10:28 |
| saispo | seb128: happening all the time since yesterday | 10:28 |
| saispo | after near 10 or 15 minutes up under X, pc freeze | 10:28 |
| saispo | i let the pc running all the night in console mode, no freeze... | 10:29 |
| saispo | i have nothing in the log :/ | 10:29 |
| saispo | maybe nvidia driver... | 10:29 |
| YokoZar | How long does it take an ubuntu-devel email to get moderator approval? | 10:30 |
| seb128 | saispo: what did you update yesterday? do you have anything to /var/log/{messages, syslog, Xorg.0.log}? | 10:31 |
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| seb128 | kwwii: the bug is not limited to gaim though | 10:44 |
| kwwii | seb128: right, but that seems to be the app that everyone is complaining about :-) | 10:45 |
| seb128 | kwwii: I can complain about nautilus if you want ;) | 10:45 |
| seb128 | kwwii: right click on the desktop | 10:45 |
| seb128 | the create directory option | 10:46 |
| kwwii | lol | 10:46 |
| seb128 | what? ;) | 10:46 |
| seb128 | kwwii: would it be hard for you to do a 16x16 variant for that gaim icon? | 10:46 |
| kwwii | seb128: about complaining about nautilus :-) | 10:46 |
| kwwii | seb128: yeah, I'll look into that (and lapo is/was working on the small folders) | 10:47 |
| seb128 | ok, cool | 10:47 |
| pitti | seb128: with symlinking duplicate files and using bzip2 I got it down from 9 to 2 MB already :) | 10:48 |
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| seb128 | pitti: is there that many dup file? | 10:48 |
| pitti | seb128: also, I would like to discard translations which are less than 20% complete | 10:48 |
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| seb128 | pitti: that's weird that translations team have 0 strings translated | 10:48 |
| pitti | seb128: only 6 MB of dups, not that much | 10:49 |
| imbrandon | hey what does humboldt ( the ubuntu server ) do ? | 10:49 |
| imbrandon | i have a ton of access from it in my logs | 10:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: I think dropping too much incomplete translations is ok | 10:50 |
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| saispo | seb128: i lost the ssh to my home... will see at 12:00 | 10:56 |
| seb128 | saispo: ok | 10:56 |
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| Enola_Gay | hi all | 10:57 |
| Enola_Gay | Does anyone know if Herd 6 will be released today? | 10:58 |
| pitti | Enola_Gay: there won't be a herd-6, as Mithrandir announced on u-devel-announce | 10:59 |
| Enola_Gay | So the next CD will be the release candidate? | 10:59 |
| highvoltage | Enola_Gay: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000272.html | 10:59 |
| Enola_Gay | Released on April the 12th? | 11:00 |
| Enola_Gay | pitti: highvoltage: thx. | 11:00 |
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| Keybuk | seb128: around? | 11:03 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: yes | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | Mark's laptop has an odd problem | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | every time he logs in, something changes his current window manager gconf key to ~/.gnome-compiz-manager/openbox -- which doesn't exist | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | I cannot find what's doing that | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | this causes him to have no WM on startup, and I think is also causing gnome-session to hang on login | 11:03 |
| seb128 | does he has gnome-compiz-manager installed? does it happen without it? | 11:04 |
| Keybuk | no, I purged that | 11:04 |
| Keybuk | it still happens | 11:04 |
| Keybuk | I changed the gconf key to just metacity, and when he logs in, it becomes gnome-compiz-manager again | 11:04 |
| Amaranth | i recently noticed desktop-effects doing something that makes gnome-session hang for about 60 seconds after it loads compiz | 11:04 |
| Amaranth | so, maybe that's it? | 11:04 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default ? | 11:05 |
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| sabdfl | peregrine% gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default ~ | 11:06 |
| sabdfl | /usr/bin/metacity | 11:06 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: cat .gnomerc? | 11:06 |
| sabdfl | export WINDOW_MANAGER=~/.gnome-compiz-manager/openbox | 11:06 |
| seb128 | that's it | 11:06 |
| seb128 | gnome-compiz-manager did that | 11:06 |
| sabdfl | just delete it? | 11:06 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:07 |
| seb128 | I'll have a look at gnome-compiz-manager and get that fixed, thank you for the bug report ;) | 11:07 |
| sabdfl | np :-) want it in LP? | 11:07 |
| sabdfl | seb128: it may have been an older version that did it | 11:07 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: yes please | 11:07 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: current code seems to still do it | 11:07 |
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| seb128 | Amaranth: what is desktop-effects doing? | 11:08 |
| Amaranth | seb128: when it sets the gconf keys to make gnome-session start compiz | 11:09 |
| Amaranth | on next login it loads compiz then 60 seconds later i get nm-applet and gnome-power-manager | 11:09 |
| Amaranth | i remember seeing this once before then it went away | 11:10 |
| Amaranth | seems to be back now | 11:10 |
| Amaranth | dunno how i made it go away last time either | 11:10 |
| seb128 | weird | 11:10 |
| ogra | Keybuk, on my thin clients i see a /dev/.static/dev mount "type nfs" what mounts that ? | 11:10 |
| Keybuk | it's a bind mount of your old /dev | 11:11 |
| ogra | i know | 11:11 |
| Keybuk | so it's the same options/filesystem as your / | 11:11 |
| ogra | but why is it type nfs | 11:11 |
| Keybuk | because your root is nfs? | 11:11 |
| Amaranth | seb128: i've gone almost 6 months without reinstalling, probably about time to do so :) | 11:11 |
| ogra | well it shows up in mtab as separate nfs mount | 11:11 |
| Amaranth | i'm terribly hard on my installs :) | 11:11 |
| Keybuk | ogra: the device part will be the same | 11:11 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: why would you need to reinstall, that's not windows ;) | 11:11 |
| ogra | Keybuk, indeed, i'm just wondering if i could get rid of it ... to speed up ... | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | (it shouldn't show up in mtab at all, perhaps you're looking at /proc/mounts ?) | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | ogra: how would it speed anything up? | 11:12 |
| ogra | right, mtab is a link on thin clients | 11:12 |
| Amaranth | seb128: well, unless the system still works when i wipe /etc (or all of /etc can be regenerated) that's the only way i know to fix things | 11:12 |
| Amaranth | oh, and to clean out my manual installs of things and to remove changes to grub and etc | 11:12 |
| ogra | Keybuk, well, i assume there must be a mount process to mount it ? | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | ogra: yeah, a call to mount --bind | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | nothing more elaborate than that | 11:12 |
| ogra | ah | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | it's done in initramfs normally | 11:13 |
| ogra | ok, thanks | 11:13 |
| Keybuk | and postinst/devmapper/etc. will break without it | 11:13 |
| ogra | ok, i wont touch it | 11:13 |
| ogra | i'm just searching for possible speedup areas | 11:13 |
| sabdfl | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/103246 | 11:13 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 103246 in gnome-compiz-manager "Gnome-compiz-manager thrusts itself into .gnomerc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 11:13 |
| Keybuk | ogra: could you show me a bootchart | 11:14 |
| Keybuk | I may be able to make some useful suggestions | 11:14 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: thank you! | 11:14 |
| ogra | Keybuk, i probably could, but on that HW it will take an hour to boot then :) | 11:14 |
| ogra | i'll try one ... | 11:14 |
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| ogra | wow, bringing up X takes ~20secs with bootchart running in the background | 11:19 |
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| cjwatson_ | glick: the manual partitioner supports reiserfs just fine | 11:20 |
| glick | oh | 11:20 |
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| cjwatson | glick: perhaps you were using Kubuntu 6.06 or 6.10 with the graphical installer, whose manual partitioner didn't support reiserfs? | 11:21 |
| glick | so the ubuntu cd supports it | 11:22 |
| cjwatson | sure | 11:22 |
| cjwatson | as does Kubuntu now, in feisty | 11:22 |
| glick | heh im still runnin dapper | 11:22 |
| ogra | *twiddle* *twiddle* | 11:23 |
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| ogra | Keybuk, that thing should get a low spec HW mode | 11:23 |
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| ogra | oh, nice it just killed X .... | 11:24 |
| ogra | "... out of memory error..." :) | 11:24 |
| ogra | Keybuk, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/feisty-20070405-1.png | 11:27 |
| mjg59 | 15 seconds from start to libata being loaded? | 11:29 |
| mjg59 | I think your problem here is that this machine is slow... | 11:29 |
| ogra | mjg59, its a network boot ... | 11:29 |
| kwwii | seb128: in every case I find of the missing 16x16 icons it is a matter of the app (or gtk or whatever) looking for files it should not be looking for | 11:29 |
| ogra | the same machine boots on ltsp 4.2 in 20 secs | 11:29 |
| ogra | (stopwatched including POST) | 11:30 |
| seb128 | kwwii: I doubt of it | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | ogra: That's still in the initramfs | 11:30 |
| ogra | while ltsp 5 takes 68secs with the same measurement method | 11:30 |
| seb128 | kwwii: what do you expect? the app to resize a 48x48 icon to 16x16? | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | It's spending 15 seconds loading modules | 11:30 |
| ogra | right | 11:31 |
| kwwii | seb128: no, I expect it to use the correct action icons | 11:31 |
| mjg59 | Which can have nothing to do with the fact that it's on nfs | 11:31 |
| seb128 | kwwii: do you have an example with an icon name? | 11:31 |
| ogra | and i suspect something is slow with our nfs implementation ... on a debian chroot (same ltsp code, different kernel) it takes 20 sec less | 11:31 |
| mjg59 | Oh, wait, sorry, I'm being really stupid | 11:32 |
| mjg59 | Of course that's off the rootfs | 11:32 |
| ogra | right | 11:32 |
| kwwii | seb128: one second, let me make sure I am not talking crap first :-) | 11:32 |
| seb128 | kwwii: ok | 11:32 |
| mjg59 | Well, it's easy for you to benchmark nfs performance between kernels | 11:32 |
| ogra | i wonder why our nfs uses rsize and wsize values like 131072 ... | 11:33 |
| ogra | that seems pretty high | 11:34 |
| Keybuk | ogra: nothing immediately obvious; almost all your boot is spend in modprobe! | 11:34 |
| ogra | Keybuk, yes, we'll start to go for a -ltsp kernel in feisty+1 to solve that one | 11:34 |
| ogra | there is a lot in our kernel packages we dont need on a thin client ... | 11:34 |
| Keybuk | tbh, I'm surprised you do it all this way | 11:36 |
| Keybuk | I would make a small read-only image containing the filesystem and a kernel per unit | 11:36 |
| Keybuk | boot the machine, it copies the image onto its disk over the network if it has changed, and mounts it, booting from it | 11:36 |
| ogra | a kernel per unit ? | 11:36 |
| Keybuk | the image almost immediately starts X | 11:36 |
| ogra | there is no disk | 11:36 |
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| pitti | seb128: bah, I don't really understand this complex ubuntu-docs thingy; I have to defer to mdke, I'm afraid | 11:37 |
| ogra | and we iusually have no more than 64-128MB mem | 11:37 |
| Keybuk | then just nfs mount it, but that will be quite slow | 11:37 |
| seb128 | pitti: what are you trying to understand? | 11:38 |
| ogra | Keybuk, well, the thing is that the ltsp 4.2 kernel runs all this in a quater of the time we need for the same setup | 11:38 |
| pitti | seb128: where and how the translated .xml files are generated from the C sources | 11:38 |
| ogra | 20 second boots are obviously possible | 11:38 |
| pitti | seb128: i. e. where we have to add the check for < 20% translated | 11:38 |
| ogra | even with nfs | 11:39 |
| Keybuk | ogra: does it have a module-less kernel? | 11:39 |
| ogra | no | 11:39 |
| ogra | same as ours | 11:39 |
| ogra | initramfs and kernel ... | 11:39 |
| Keybuk | then compare the two | 11:39 |
| ogra | same bootmethod and architecture for the whole thing | 11:39 |
| ogra | thats what i plan to do for fsity+1 | 11:39 |
| seb128 | pitti: ah ok, it's likely using xml2po | 11:39 |
| Keybuk | go down line-by-line and work out how they're different | 11:39 |
| ogra | yep | 11:40 |
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| ogra | there is a lot memory stuff thats dfferent ... i already took a glance | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | "memory stuff" ? | 11:40 |
| ogra | yeah, sizes | 11:40 |
| ogra | and defaults ... i only took a short look at the diff between the configs | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | "sizes" ? | 11:41 |
| pitti | seb128: that command appears in three scripts which say 'don't use that yet', and none of these scripts are used | 11:41 |
| ogra | Keybuk, i wont look that up now ... | 11:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, so ask mdke or maybe dholbach | 11:41 |
| dholbach | seb128, pitti: I don't know much about the ubuntu-docs build system - but I can take a look at it - what's thr problem? | 11:42 |
| ogra | Keybuk, bug 97456, both configs are attached if you want to look | 11:42 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 97456 in ltsp "eBox 2300 boots VERY slow with Ubuntu/LTSP-5" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97456 | 11:42 |
| pitti | seb128: what concerns me more is that all the translated .xml files are already present | 11:42 |
| pitti | dholbach: the source already has translated .xml files instead of building them during package build from C xml + po files | 11:43 |
| pitti | dholbach: and I can't quite figure out how/when this is done | 11:43 |
| pitti | dholbach: I want to drop translations which are less than, say, 20% complete | 11:43 |
| kwwii | seb128: ok, you are right on the ones from the Human theme :-) | 11:43 |
| pitti | dholbach: AFAICS, mdke runs the translation scripts manually before building the source? | 11:43 |
| seb128 | kwwii: ;) | 11:44 |
| kwwii | seb128: it is a nasty hack, but I'll simply scale them down (we really should redraw them all for that size though) | 11:44 |
| pitti | dholbach: erk, and I see svn add commands in that source, too | 11:44 |
| Keybuk | ogra: nothing useful there | 11:44 |
| seb128 | kwwii: ok, thank you | 11:44 |
| Keybuk | ogra: compare the chroots | 11:44 |
| dholbach | pitti: I need to check - the last time I changed something in the build system has been a while since | 11:44 |
| ogra | Keybuk, thats what i'm doing atm ... i cant change kernel stuff anyway now | 11:44 |
| pitti | dholbach: I'll just wait for him, don't worry | 11:44 |
| dholbach | pitti: mdke and his ubuntu-doc people worked on that mostly | 11:45 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:45 |
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| dholbach | pitti: if you want me to take a look - let me know | 11:45 |
| ogra | Keybuk, and thats why i asked for the udev nfs mount :) | 11:45 |
| pitti | dholbach: well, if you actually understand the package, sure; if not, don't bother | 11:45 |
| Keybuk | ogra: if you're looking for 150s, you're not going to find it in minor details | 11:47 |
| ogra | Keybuk, i can only look at stuff i can fix before release ... and thats only minor stuff ... | 11:48 |
| ogra | i wont get ben to invent a new kernel flavor for me before feisty ;) | 11:49 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Have you benchmarked nfs performance? | 11:49 |
| mjg59 | If not, do that before doing anything else. | 11:49 |
| mjg59 | Also, you're doing the comparisons on the same hardware on the same network against the same server, right? | 11:50 |
| ogra | yes, thats on my list, i was just looking at the options we use by default and stumbled over the r/wsize options with an 131072 valus | 11:50 |
| ogra | *value | 11:50 |
| tepsipakki | ogra: try 8192 | 11:51 |
| ogra | which looks strangely big | 11:51 |
| ogra | tepsipakki, i know what i *should* try ... i just wonder why we use such a default | 11:51 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Before playing with options, test that there's actually a difference in performance | 11:51 |
| tepsipakki | right :) | 11:51 |
| ogra | i dont want to put NFSOPTS in my pxelinux config if possible ;) | 11:51 |
| ogra | (by default at least) | 11:52 |
| mjg59 | So far you have no idea whether or not there's actually a difference in the NFS speed | 11:52 |
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| ogra | well, no proven facts, no | 11:54 |
| mjg59 | So before trying things to improve the speed of NFS, veryify that NFS is actually slower | 11:55 |
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| pitti | mdke: I uploaded a new ubuntu-docs now with bzip2 deb compression and duplicate file symlinking; that shinks the deb from 9 to < 2 MB, but doesn't help so much for the live fs; we really need to throw out poorly translated documents | 12:33 |
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| pitti | Riddell: any idea about https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/84717/comments/207 ? | 12:36 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:36 |
| Riddell | pitti: oh, he's just running it in a chroot | 12:37 |
| pitti | ah, no X socket then | 12:37 |
| Riddell | pitti: the KubuntuDistUpgrade page suggests that for testers who don't have edgy to hand but want to help | 12:37 |
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| pitti | Riddell: ok, that should be fine then; any other remaining bugs? | 12:38 |
| Riddell | pitti: not that I know of | 12:38 |
| pitti | ok, so it gets high time to push that out, I guess | 12:38 |
| Riddell | yay | 12:38 |
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| kwwii_ | dholbach: I'll have an update for h-i-t in a bit (adding 3 16x16 icons) | 12:44 |
| dholbach | kwwii: alrighty, I'll upload it once you're done | 12:45 |
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| freeflyi1g | /NICKLIST SCREEN | 12:48 |
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| kwwii_ | dholbach: commited | 12:56 |
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| anti_pop | does any developer work on this bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47455 | 01:10 |
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| ubotu | Malone bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [High,Confirmed] | 01:10 |
| dholbach | kwwii: you forgot to change actions/Makefile.am - doing that now | 01:11 |
| Riddell | anti_pop: not as far as I know | 01:11 |
| kwwii | dholbach: ouch, sorry | 01:11 |
| dholbach | np | 01:11 |
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| thekorn | pitti, dholbach: I added a patch to fix bug 99642 | 01:13 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 99642 in bughelper "apport eats bug summaries with quotes" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99642 | 01:13 |
| dholbach | thekorn: nice - will look into it a bit later | 01:14 |
| dholbach | thekorn: thanks a lot | 01:14 |
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| thekorn | dholbach: no problem... | 01:15 |
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| gnomefreak | was the nvidia-glx + upgrade + geforce4 cards been fixed? Ive seen alot less complaints about it? | 01:17 |
| dholbach | kwwii: uploaded | 01:18 |
| kwwii | dholbach: and now I have commited an update for tango-common (and remebered to edit the makefile this time too) | 01:18 |
| kwwii | just to keep you busy :p | 01:18 |
| dholbach | kwwii: ok | 01:18 |
| dholbach | kwwii: will do that later - lunchtime | 01:18 |
| kwwii | dholbach: cool, thanks :-) | 01:18 |
| kwwii | dholbach: enjoy your lunch | 01:18 |
| dholbach | gracias | 01:18 |
| dholbach | thekorn: uploaded | 01:19 |
| thekorn | yeah! | 01:19 |
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| pitti | thekorn: rock, thanks | 01:21 |
| pitti | dholbach: is there a freeze for universe wrt. syncs? | 01:22 |
| thekorn | pitti: I hope that works... | 01:22 |
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| ajmitch | pitti: not yet | 01:24 |
| pitti | ajmitch: ok, so syncs can be done the usual way unless it's a new upstream version | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | yeah, and we're still approving UVF exceptions for universe | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | they're sometimes necessary still | 01:25 |
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| popey | what's the process for getting a package updated in feisty? I realise it's a bit late now, just wondered if its possible and what needs to be done? | 01:30 |
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| ajmitch | depends if it's in main or universe | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | main is very much frozen | 01:31 |
| popey | oh dear | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | universe is close, but not quite there | 01:31 |
| popey | libmtp | 01:31 |
| popey | looks like it's in main | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | I presume you mean a new upstream version, too? | 01:31 |
| popey | yes | 01:31 |
| popey | upstream has 0.1.5 http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=download | 01:31 |
| popey | we have 0.1.3 | 01:32 |
| ajmitch | I think you'd be pretty much out of luck right now | 01:32 |
| popey | very few dependencies | 01:32 |
| ajmitch | 2 weeks till release | 01:32 |
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| popey | yeah :| | 01:32 |
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| popey | it's not for me, I'm answering a support ticket, will pass that info on, thanks | 01:33 |
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| xhaker | maybe you can get it into through backports.. | 01:34 |
| popey | what's the process for that? | 01:34 |
| popey | do that after the release? | 01:34 |
| xhaker | if there is demand, i'm sure jdong and the backports team will do it | 01:34 |
| cjwatson | yes, once the next release is open and that version is available there | 01:35 |
| popey | ok | 01:35 |
| popey | thanks guys | 01:35 |
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| pitti | seb128: there are three universe packages still depending on libgtkhtml3.8-19, which is NBS; what do you propose? | 01:45 |
| pitti | seb128: we have to remove NBS packages from the archive before the release, otherwise we violate the GPL | 01:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'll fix that now | 01:46 |
| pitti | seb128: shall I write to -motu@? | 01:46 |
| pitti | oh | 01:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's only 3 packages, I can handle it ;) | 01:46 |
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| carlos | pitti: hi, around? | 01:52 |
| pitti | hi carlos | 01:52 |
| carlos | pitti: software-properties are not part of latest language packs | 01:53 |
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| carlos | pitti: at least for the GNOME ones | 01:53 |
| carlos | but Launchpad is exporting them | 01:53 |
| carlos | so I wonder whether those translations ended in KDE language packs | 01:53 |
| carlos | which is wrong as those are shared between KDE and GNOME so I guess they should be in the shared ones | 01:54 |
| mpt | pitti, you were asking a few days ago about weeks starting on Sunday vs. Monday ... That's not really a locale-specific thing, it's a user preference | 01:54 |
| carlos | pitti: could you check? | 01:54 |
| mpt | It's determined by locale, religion, your parents, etc | 01:54 |
| pitti | mpt: ah, ok; it's changed to Monday by upstream in Feisty anyway, so I didn't need to touch it | 01:54 |
| carlos | mpt: well, but we need to set our locales to the official setting in the locale country | 01:55 |
| Mirv | carlos: it'd look like the translations are not in KDE, either: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/102773 | 01:55 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102773 in software-properties "l10n broken in the KDE frontend" [Medium,Unconfirmed] | 01:55 |
| carlos | the bug is that we don't have a way customise it | 01:55 |
| pitti | carlos: indeed, it's in KDE now | 01:55 |
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| pitti | carlos: I'll take a look and find out why | 01:56 |
| mpt | carlos, I know, it's one of those things that should have a locale default but user configuration, and has the former but not the latter | 01:56 |
| mpt | (in Gnome) | 01:56 |
| carlos | pitti: that .po files are shared between KDE and GNOME, so it's not a matter of moving it to GNOME | 01:57 |
| pitti | carlos: right, it should go into the shared ones | 01:57 |
| carlos | mpt: indeed | 01:57 |
| carlos | pitti: ok, thanks | 01:57 |
| Mirv | carlos: hmm okay you're right anyway, that bug I mentioned is wrong, it is available in KDE | 01:57 |
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| carlos | Mirv: that would be that the user is not using daily lang packs | 01:57 |
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| Mirv | carlos: most probably | 01:57 |
| carlos | latest official packages in Feisty doesn't have software-properties | 01:58 |
| carlos | Mirv: also, I found that the KDE UI files translations are not being extracted to hte .pot file | 01:58 |
| carlos | so maybe that's also part of the problem | 01:59 |
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| Mirv | now if only we could translate the installer properly, but alas that seems undoable for feisty as the translation deadline is I guess today and the partitioning-related strings are just not translatable | 02:00 |
| cjwatson | some of them are, but not all. | 02:01 |
| cjwatson | sorry, ENOTIME | 02:01 |
| Mirv | cjwatson: yeah, I understand the situation | 02:01 |
| Mirv | not corrupting hard drives > completely localized | 02:01 |
| cjwatson | quite so | 02:04 |
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| saispo | seb128: i try... i think it's an hardware problem :/ | 02:21 |
| doko | cjwatson: I really want to make an OOo upload in the next hours... | 02:21 |
| cjwatson | which bugs? | 02:21 |
| seb128 | saispo: not cool | 02:22 |
| doko | * openoffice.org-core: Recommend nfs-common. Ubuntu #64813. | 02:22 |
| doko | * Re-merge generic menu icons names. Ubuntu #99779. | 02:22 |
| doko | * Build using neon25. Ubuntu #92345. | 02:22 |
| doko | * Build using internal copy of xmlsec. Ubuntu #45801. | 02:22 |
| doko | * openoffice.org-common: Depend on desktop-file-utils. Ubuntu #70105. | 02:22 |
| doko | * openoffice.org-style-default: Build it as a transitional package. | 02:22 |
| doko | Ubuntu #102690. | 02:22 |
| doko | * Import Fedora fixes: | 02:22 |
| saispo | seb128: yep :/ the hardware have one month... | 02:22 |
| doko | - Fix crashes in Outliner::ImplHasBullet(). Ubuntu #96622. | 02:22 |
| doko | * Update ubuntu template documents. | 02:22 |
| doko | * Update human icon theme, contributed by Gabriel Hurley. | 02:22 |
| saispo | seb128: i think it's the motherboard... an asus mn2pv-vm | 02:23 |
| saispo | will see if somme issue in the bug tracker, but... | 02:23 |
| saispo | i will try to disable acpi too | 02:23 |
| dholbach | kwwii: tango-icon-theme-common uploaded | 02:23 |
| asac | i have a list of baseline libs that upstream mozilla wants to develop against in future. Anything we want to add? | 02:24 |
| asac | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5897 | 02:24 |
| cjwatson | doko: that's fine, thanks, go ahead and upload that | 02:26 |
| doko | cjwatson: ok, after the test build finishes. | 02:29 |
| dholbach | asac: it looks ok to me | 02:34 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: could it be that bzr-gtk 0.15.2-0ubuntu1 got lost somewhere along the way? | 02:35 |
| asac | fine ... then i will give green light. | 02:35 |
| EtienneG | good <time of day> everybody | 02:36 |
| EtienneG | I would need the help of an archive admin | 02:36 |
| cjwatson | EtienneG: hello | 02:36 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, hey ! | 02:36 |
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| EtienneG | I had an upload of bzr-gtk done by a MOTU (crimsun) yesterday | 02:36 |
| asac | bdmurray: ping | 02:37 |
| EtienneG | related to #102548 | 02:37 |
| EtienneG | it was about 18 hours ago | 02:37 |
| cjwatson | version number? | 02:37 |
| EtienneG | 0.15.2-0ubuntu1 | 02:37 |
| EtienneG | the upload is not showing up anywhere on LP ... I was kind of worried | 02:38 |
| cjwatson | EtienneG: your uploader forgot to use the -sa switch to dpkg-buildpackage / debuild | 02:38 |
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| cjwatson | they should have got a reject message | 02:38 |
| cjwatson | 13:30:13 DEBUG Rejected: | 02:38 |
| cjwatson | 13:30:13 DEBUG Unable to find bzr-gtk_0.15.2.orig.tar.gz in the distribution. | 02:38 |
| EtienneG | ha HA ! | 02:38 |
| EtienneG | I'll catch him later then | 02:38 |
| EtienneG | thanks cjwatson | 02:38 |
| dholbach | EtienneG: if you pass me the source package, I can upload it for you | 02:38 |
| EtienneG | dholbach, http://people.ubuntu.com/~etienne/bzr-gtk/ | 02:39 |
| dholbach | alright | 02:39 |
| EtienneG | dholbach, thanks ! | 02:39 |
| dholbach | EtienneG: done | 02:40 |
| EtienneG | dholbach, that was fast ! | 02:40 |
| dholbach | :) | 02:40 |
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| cjwatson | and accepted | 02:40 |
| === EtienneG hug dholbach and spread my awful germs to Germany | ||
| EtienneG | cjwatson, generally, how long should we wait for an upload to show up before we go looking for help when such a case happen ? | 02:41 |
| EtienneG | 12 hours ? 2 days ? more ... ? | 02:41 |
| cjwatson | the source should show up within 2 hours of upload at most | 02:42 |
| cjwatson | (normally less) | 02:42 |
| EtienneG | ok, that make sense | 02:42 |
| cjwatson | at present the archive is frozen (see ubuntu-devel-announce) so source uploads require manual attention; that only changed today | 02:42 |
| EtienneG | cjwatson, I was aware of that ... fortunately, all my packages have been taken care of in time | 02:43 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Just curious at this point, when does Mithrandir return? | 02:43 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: Tuesday | 02:44 |
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| doko | cjwatson: (sorry, wrong channel) would like to update python2.5 to the 2.5.1 release candidate 1 today; see bug 103302 | 02:58 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 103302 in python2.5 "UVF exception for python 2.5.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103302 | 02:58 |
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| cjwatson | doko: ok, that's fine | 03:04 |
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| genii | Is there any tool/script to auto-generate things like Packages.gz Release and MD5 sums etc when you are putting a new package into a mirror you run? | 03:06 |
| zul | apt-archive I think | 03:06 |
| Treenaks | or falcon? | 03:06 |
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| genii | Thanks. I had to repackage the modem-hsfpci for a new brand of these winmodems. and i a have a Dapper mirror which I netboot from, wanting to put a dapper-freenet suite for this and have it install this package from a preseed. Being a headache | 03:08 |
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| StevenK | jdub | 03:11 |
| StevenK | Oops | 03:11 |
| pitti | cjwatson: hmm, I thought BenC was working on l-r-m for -14 with some more fixes? | 03:11 |
| StevenK | Riddell, mvo: I've marked 90642 as a dupe of 90644. (file overwrite problem for qobex and qobex-dev) | 03:11 |
| cjwatson | pitti: he's welcome to upload it. I need to get the CDs consistent though | 03:12 |
| cjwatson | BenC: ^-- | 03:12 |
| === genii pokes Seveas | ||
| pitti | Mithrandir: could you please give-back notification-daemon on sparc? | 03:14 |
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| Riddell | StevenK: thanks | 03:15 |
| Riddell | added to TODO | 03:15 |
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| genii | Treenaks Is falcon what they use already to package the main *buntu repos? | 03:17 |
| Treenaks | genii: no | 03:17 |
| StevenK | Riddell: It's already fixed, sorry I didn't mention. | 03:17 |
| genii | Treenaks: Sorry not to "package the repo" But rather to organise and somewhat automate the indexing and generation of the Release Package,Package.gz , gpg keys and so on | 03:19 |
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| pitti | Keybuk: could you please give-back notification-daemon on sparc? | 03:21 |
| cjwatson | genii: still no; that's done by Launchpad | 03:21 |
| Riddell | StevenK: oh, great | 03:22 |
| genii | cjwatson Thanks. | 03:22 |
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| genii | Interesting. Is Launchpad itself open-source? I can find no information on the engine anyplace like Sourceforge for instance | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | genii: it's not | 03:30 |
| genii | ironic | 03:30 |
| doko | what's scim-thai? I only know Gin-Tai | 03:30 |
| shawarma | genii: https://launchpad.net/faq <--- Search for "open source" | 03:31 |
| gnomefreak | genii: LP is closed source atm | 03:33 |
| gnomefreak | there was talk of making it open iirc | 03:33 |
| genii | shawarma: Thanks. | 03:34 |
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| genii | gnomefreak Guess I'm stuck with writing some scripts to semi-automate then :) | 03:37 |
| genii | Treenaks: Reading up on Falcon. Looks pretty good and luckily there is also a seveas repo for dapper, which is what the mirror is running. Thanks for the pointer | 03:42 |
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| Zorkmid25 | you suck | 04:06 |
| Zorkmid25 | you suck | 04:06 |
| Zorkmid25 | you suck | 04:06 |
| Zorkmid25 | you suck | 04:06 |
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| Zorkmid25 | you suck | 04:06 |
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| sharms | cjwatson: people get kicked for giving us constructive criticism? | 04:08 |
| kwwii | and I thought people only talked to artists that way | 04:09 |
| \sh | pitti: where did you get the mysql 5.0.38 release? | 04:09 |
| pitti | \sh: mysql-server-5.0 | 5.0.38-0ubuntu1 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages | 04:10 |
| \sh | pitti: well, yes, but where is the upstream version on mysql pages? | 04:10 |
| StevenK | sharms: No, people get kicked for flooding, like cjwatson's kick message says? | 04:11 |
| pitti | \sh: hm? | 04:11 |
| \sh | pitti: | 04:11 |
| \sh | ompressed GNU TAR archive (tar.gz)5.0.3722.2MPick a mirror | 04:11 |
| \sh | MD5: 26ed76facb58bdeae40c8310e337dde2 | Signature | 04:11 |
| sharms | StevenK: Do I really need to tell you the definition of sarcasm? | 04:11 |
| \sh | this is from mysql download pages ;) | 04:11 |
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| pitti | \sh: oh | 04:12 |
| pitti | \sh: they hid it pretty well, I added it to debian/README.Maintainers | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | sharms: i'm not sure that critisism could be labelled as constructive... | 04:12 |
| pitti | \sh: ftp://ftp.mysql.com/pub/mysql/src/ | 04:12 |
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| Mirv | Hobbsee: sharm's comment was a joke, and he's hoping he wouldn't need to use the mighty ":)" to prove that | 04:13 |
| \sh | pitti: ah thanks :) | 04:13 |
| === Hobbsee is just buggered. | ||
| sharms | Mirv: thanks! | 04:13 |
| === Hobbsee was also using slight sarcasm herself.. | ||
| sharms | I think we are stuck in a vicious circle of sarcasm | 04:13 |
| === Hobbsee can just start booting people, if preffered :P | ||
| sharms | back to bug triage | 04:14 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: I've just uploaded a totem update, 1 line change to fix the build | 04:16 |
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| shirish | Is it true that the next release name is going to be "greedy goose" ? | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | no | 04:20 |
| === Hobbsee wonders where people find such things | ||
| cjwatson | shirish: when a release name is settled, it will be announced | 04:20 |
| cjwatson | seb128: thanks | 04:20 |
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| shirish | Hobbsee: at slashdot :) | 04:20 |
| genii | I'm partial to Temporal Tarsier | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: unless you find it announced on an official ubuntu devel mailing list, or ubuntu announce, it's not correct. | 04:20 |
| cjwatson | doko: do we need openoffice.org-filter-binfilter on the CD? it's very llarge | 04:20 |
| shirish | cjwatson: thnx | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: and of course, slashdot's *so* credible. | 04:21 |
| Treenaks | goady gentoo ? | 04:21 |
| \sh | pitti: did you see any fix for http://bug.mysql.com/bug.php?id={21322,25526,27294} ? | 04:21 |
| shirish | Hobbsee: lol, but it would have been a fun name | 04:21 |
| doko | cjwatson: no, AFAIK it was never on the CD. but you get strange errors trying to open documents which are only handled by the binfilters | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | doko: it is on the CD | 04:22 |
| doko | hmm | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | doko: because openoffice.org depends on it, and openoffice.org-filter-binfilter is recommended by that | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | this is new in feisty | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | er, "because openoffice.org depends on it, and that's included in the desktop seed" I meant to say | 04:23 |
| pitti | \sh: I didn't check | 04:23 |
| cjwatson | doko: I'm not entirely keen on splitting up the seed into -core -base -writer etc., because those package names seem more liable to change | 04:24 |
| doko | cjwatson: ohh, debian change. hmm, ok, removing the depends and making it a recommends | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | doko: thanks | 04:24 |
| \sh | pitti: well, patch is again not commited from upstream... | 04:24 |
| doko | cjwatson: do you need that before the rc? | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | doko: yes please, it's 10MB on the CDs | 04:24 |
| shirish | Anybody knows when there is going to be testing xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting drivers in Ubuntu? | 04:24 |
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| cjwatson | doko: I haven't accepted your previous upload yet, so another quick upload would save a build cycle | 04:25 |
| doko | cjwatson: ok | 04:25 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 04:25 |
| doko | cjwatson: same version number ok? | 04:25 |
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| cjwatson | could you bump it? | 04:26 |
| \sh | pitti: when I create a patch, can you take a look at it...and think about a new upload of 5.0.38 for feisty? :) | 04:26 |
| pitti | \sh: of course | 04:26 |
| \sh | pitti: cool :) | 04:27 |
| \sh | pitti: forget it, they fixed it, without mentioning it in the changelog... | 04:29 |
| pitti | \sh: ah, cool | 04:30 |
| \sh | pitti: now I'm backporting it to dapper ;) | 04:30 |
| genii | Not cool, all changes should get documented in the changelog. | 04:31 |
| \sh | genii: tell it to mysql | 04:31 |
| doko | cjwatson: uploaded | 04:32 |
| cjwatson | cheers | 04:32 |
| \sh | hmm..I need to build a new wine...stres | 04:33 |
| kwwii | Seveas: seen bug #102738 ? | 04:33 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102738 in Ubuntu "Feisty Boot Screen Error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102738 | 04:33 |
| genii | I'm pretty sure there are more important things to work on than fixing the progress bar LOL | 04:35 |
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| kwwii | Seveas: never mind, I think I found the problem | 04:49 |
| kwwii | genii: really, why? I would say that the graphical presentation of Ubuntu is at almost as important as the functionality | 04:49 |
| genii | kwwii However, relatively, it is a minor thing compared to say misconfigured base packages etc | 04:50 |
| cjwatson | genii: I think you have a confused view of resources. Given that there exist people dedicated to Ubuntu artwork, you can't just reallocate them to development | 04:51 |
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| cjwatson | genii: so saying "people should be working on packaging bugs instead" doesn't make sense. We work on both. | 04:51 |
| genii | cjwatson: Well, if there is already a crew for that, so much the better :) It's their dept then | 04:51 |
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| cjwatson | genii: yes, and kwwii is heavily involved in it | 04:52 |
| genii | Anyhow my boss just got here and we need to have a mtg etc and i'm on the front computer :) So can't go on at length atm | 04:52 |
| genii | thanks for the archive info | 04:53 |
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| Hobbsee | Keybuk: how does one go abotu starting to debug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbase/+bug/102675/ ? | 04:58 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 04:58 |
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| Hobbsee | ie, why is dhclient even looking for these on boot, if NetworkManager is being started? | 04:59 |
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| StevenK | Because NetworkManager doesn't touch interfaces that are listed in /etc/network/interfaces? | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt seem to, anyway | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | (that are listed to come up automatically, at least) | 05:00 |
| StevenK | Which makes it unrelated to the problem | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | true - but it does mean that the solution of commenting them out doesnt actually work, because then NM doesnt find them | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | argh. it seems that NM *does* require them listed in /e/n/i | 05:01 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: actually it shouldn't | 05:01 |
| StevenK | I have one interface in /etc/network/interfaces on my laptop, which is lo | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: right. i'm afraid that it tends to, though | 05:02 |
| StevenK | If it does, surely it's a regression? | 05:02 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: notification-daemon> given-back | 05:05 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: thanks | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | found it. | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: it all works as long as you remove/comment out *both* auto $interface, and the line below | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | if you only comment out the auto bit, NM wont pick it up | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | so, anyone who removes both lines of $interface is fine - it all works. | 05:07 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: I thought that was documented? | 05:08 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: right, that's how it's supposed to work | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | may well be. i didnt know about it, though | 05:08 |
| StevenK | /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian | 05:09 |
| === Hobbsee thought it was documented a little more obviously than that | ||
| andrei | If I wanted to ask about my SoC application who would I ask? | 05:09 |
| StevenK | The source code? | 05:09 |
| === StevenK ducks | ||
| === Hobbsee beats StevenK | ||
| StevenK | Ouch! | 05:10 |
| pitti | andrei: preferably someone who already reviewed it? | 05:14 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: bzr-gtk 0.15.2-0ubuntu1 seems to be in the archive just fine? | 05:14 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: now - we reuploaded and cjwatson accepted | 05:14 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 05:15 |
| andrei | pitti, I've no clue who reviewed it | 05:17 |
| andrei | pitti, Have not heard back from them at all | 05:18 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: that's another point I wanted to discuss with you? new langpacks right before or right after RC? | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: historically, it's been just after RC. | 05:21 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: WFM | 05:21 |
| Mithrandir | to give the translator the maximum time available. | 05:21 |
| pitti | and in the unlikely case that RC == final, we can still update it later, so not much harm done | 05:21 |
| Mithrandir | well, if we update the language packs after release, RC != final. | 05:22 |
| Mithrandir | final will be what's in the RELEASE pocket on release day, we don't allow skew as we do for milestones. | 05:23 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/ReleaseNotes?os=kubuntu&ver=7.04&lang=${LANG} - newz1000 is responsible for maintaining mappings from that to the actual release notes URL | 05:23 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: right | 05:23 |
| mvo | Riddell: we need something like this for the release-upgrader as text | 05:24 |
| dholbach | Seveas, pitti: could it be you forgot to push your changes to usplash-theme-ubuntu to bzr? | 05:24 |
| pitti | dholbach: me? | 05:25 |
| pitti | dholbach: oh, might be, yes | 05:25 |
| dholbach | ok - I merged it in - just wanted to be sure I missed something | 05:25 |
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| Riddell | mvo: that would be nice, at the moment it shows Ubuntu notes in Kubuntu | 05:26 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: fixed | 05:27 |
| cjwatson | thanks, that was the first I'd heard of it being broken :-/ | 05:27 |
| mvo | Riddell: I know ./ | 05:27 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: Ubuntu notes> yes, you'll need to talk to newz1000 about that | 05:27 |
| cjwatson | oh, sorry, you mean the release-upgrader | 05:27 |
| mvo | Riddell: sorry for that, we can't hijack the html version, but having a text-version would be good | 05:28 |
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| smo | hi | 05:29 |
| smo | i i want to try to make a simple software whats the best softs and languauge to use in the beginning i know part of bash and php now for the moment.... | 05:30 |
| smo | i tried glade yesterday...then? | 05:30 |
| Riddell | mvo: not your fault, it's too late to fix for feisty anyway | 05:32 |
| Riddell | smo: see topic | 05:32 |
| mvo | Riddell: lets make sure to put in on the table for feisty+1 | 05:33 |
| Riddell | mvo: sure | 05:33 |
| smo | so which channel can i ask? please ... sorry... | 05:34 |
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| smo | what s the feisty's release date? | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | smo: #ubuntu | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | smo: and #ubuntu+1 for that | 05:35 |
| smo | they don t know on ubuntu... | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | (april 19) | 05:35 |
| cjwatson | smo: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule | 05:35 |
| smo | ah maybe +1 i ll try thx | 05:35 |
| smo | thx all | 05:35 |
| smo | thx cj | 05:35 |
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| \sh | ok, time to go home | 05:39 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: could you accept the gtk+2.0 update? it's an another attempt to fix the "gnome-panel crash on update" bug which has a lot of dups | 05:39 |
| \sh | happy easter to you all | 05:39 |
| cjwatson | seb128: ok, will look | 05:40 |
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| DarkSun88 | Hi all | 05:44 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
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| mdz | pitti: I think it's the right thing on almost all desktops, too. if someone plugs in a network cable with link, it should come up | 05:50 |
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| Riddell | pitti: what chances of being able to NEW process the rest of the kde 4 packages today? given the high failure rate it would be nice to have them checked before everyone is away on holiday | 06:09 |
| pitti | Riddell: I might manage to do it tonight | 06:09 |
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| kwwii | adios amigos | 06:10 |
| dholbach | have a good time guys | 06:12 |
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| pitti | Riddell: erk, ./obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/kio_lan.so and similar in kde4network source - that looks wrong | 06:29 |
| pitti | Riddell: I hope the entire ./obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/ can be removed from the orig.tar.gz? | 06:29 |
| Riddell | pitti: yes it can, that's probably all my fault | 06:31 |
| jdong | seb128: can you help me look at bug 92069? Sounds SRU-ish to me? | 06:32 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 92069 in edgy-backports "desktop-file-utils 0.12" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92069 | 06:32 |
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| _ion | * debian/rules, debian/bzr.install, debian/bzr.doc-base : changed suffix of HTML documentation to .htm to match upstream (Ubuntu #92432) | 06:40 |
| _ion | *puke* | 06:40 |
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| Riddell | cjwatson: guy just responded on that ubiquity drawing bug that he was installing to a virtual machine on the mac, so something wrong with qt4 on virtual machines it seems | 06:46 |
| bddebian | Heya | 06:47 |
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| cjwatson | Riddell: do you think there might be a workaround? | 06:53 |
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| pitti | Riddell: NEW is now free of KDE4 | 06:55 |
| pitti | some rejected, some accepted | 06:55 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: none that I know of | 06:57 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: hard to diagnose the actual problem without being to recreate. I've not seen many reports of it though, I wonder if it affects vmwave | 06:57 |
| Riddell | pitti: many thanks | 06:57 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: hmm, there's a xserver-xorg-video-intel in source NEW | 06:59 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: but since this is basically a new upstream version of -i810, this needs UVF exception | 06:59 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: can you please mail Tollef (CC me) and get this sorted? | 07:00 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: or better, CC: ubuntu-archive@lists.ubuntu.com | 07:00 |
| ogra | pitti, do you also make RM stuff ? | 07:00 |
| Lure | pitti: any chance to get this for feisty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportDigikamImagePlugins | 07:00 |
| pitti | ogra: no, Tollef does | 07:01 |
| pitti | ogra: I'm just an archive grunt worker | 07:01 |
| ogra | looked like :) | 07:01 |
| bddebian | hehe | 07:01 |
| pitti | Lure: argh, we are so heavily in freeze | 07:01 |
| Lure | pitti: it would be nice to have it on dvd, but if it is too late, then it will not be end of world... | 07:02 |
| pitti | yay, source NEW empty | 07:04 |
| === pitti -> off now, have nice Easter holidays everyone | ||
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| zyga | hey | 07:08 |
| janimo | gpocentek: hi | 07:15 |
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| crimsun | janimo: the libxfce4* stack needs to be rebuilt to fix the startup-notification change | 07:19 |
| crimsun | _ion and I noticed it with the xfdesktop4 upload last week | 07:19 |
| janimo | crimsun: I am just doing that now :) | 07:20 |
| janimo | since thunatr FTBFS-d today | 07:21 |
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| janimo | entered just to ask a second opinion | 07:21 |
| janimo | crimsun: so rebuilding libxfcegui4-dev will do it I suppose | 07:21 |
| janimo | no need to do atomic uploads of all packages and nastiness like that | 07:21 |
| seb128 | jdong: not a SRU no, the .desktop changes happened during the 2.17 cycle and don't concern edgy | 07:23 |
| seb128 | jdong: it doesn't break anything on edgy | 07:23 |
| janimo | crimsun: as libxfcegui4 is the only lib that deps on libstartup | 07:23 |
| jdong | seb128: oh, so the edgy version of desktop-file-utils works fine with edgy? | 07:23 |
| seb128 | jdong: correct | 07:24 |
| jdong | then what would be the rationale for wanting a backport? | 07:24 |
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| seb128 | jdong: people building new GNOME on edgy | 07:24 |
| jdong | ah, ok | 07:25 |
| jdong | works for me then. thanks seb128! | 07:25 |
| seb128 | np | 07:25 |
| crimsun | janimo: ah, brilliant! | 07:25 |
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| zyga | mvo: hey | 07:28 |
| zyga | mvo: no progress on data extractor so far, small progress on reported bugs | 07:28 |
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| zyga | mvo: can you please merge from http://suxx.pl/~zyga/command-not-found--ubuntu-feisty-release | 07:34 |
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| janimo | Mithrandir: can you please approve libxfcegui4, it is needed to fix FTBFSs for other Xfce apps. It's a rebuild only as seen in the changelog | 07:35 |
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| cjwatson | janimo,Mithrandir: accepted | 07:38 |
| janimo | cjwatson: thanks | 07:38 |
| doko | cjwatson: please consider http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/tmp/python2.4.debdiff for an upload | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | doko: ok for upload | 07:39 |
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| carlos | Riddell: Hi, could you take a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/103394 ? | 07:47 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 103394 in kdelibs "broken translations in Kubuntu Feisty (daily langpack)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 07:47 |
| janimo | cjwatson: can you move hal-cups-utils to main, it has been in anastacia.txt for a while | 07:47 |
| carlos | Riddell: I don't see anything wrong from Launchpad side, unless those strings don't come from kdelibs... | 07:47 |
| janimo | thanks | 07:47 |
| Riddell | carlos: they do, I'll look at it | 07:47 |
| doko | cjwatson: sun-java6 man page: the license doesn't allow changes ... I know, ridiculous ... | 07:47 |
| _ion | doko: Shouldn't the patch check whether PyMem_Realloc succeeded? | 07:47 |
| mvo | zyga: later, I need to run | 07:47 |
| carlos | Riddell: ok, thank you | 07:48 |
| cjwatson | doko: can we just not install that man page then? no man page is probably actually better than one that confuses man-db | 07:48 |
| cjwatson | or can we not change the package *at all*? | 07:48 |
| doko | _ion: did you read the docs? | 07:48 |
| _ion | doko: Nope. | 07:49 |
| doko | cjwatson: we do not change it ... | 07:49 |
| doko | I can modify the postinst not to install the slave link | 07:49 |
| cjwatson | janimo: done | 07:50 |
| cjwatson | doko: maybe I'll have to incorporate the man-db fix then :-/ | 07:50 |
| _ion | doko: Ah, i just realized there probably *is* a check for the success of the function. I misread the patch and thought the PyMem_Realloc line was part of it. | 07:50 |
| cjwatson | doko: ok, never mind, I'll backport the man-db fix | 07:51 |
| cjwatson | the man page is still broken though, so if you could forward it upstream . | 07:51 |
| cjwatson | .. | 07:51 |
| doko | cjwatson: yes, notified tmarble | 07:52 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 07:54 |
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| CarlFK | cjwatson: ping - feisty net install bug - got a moment, or should I just post to LP and email you? | 09:08 |
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| elmo | mjg59: ping | 09:49 |
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| mjg59 | elmo: Hi | 09:56 |
| elmo | oh, blah, just after I finish writing you an email ;-) | 09:56 |
| mjg59 | Ha | 09:56 |
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| adas | hello | 10:13 |
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| adas | I today upgrade a feisty and now Opera browser doesn't work... I don't know why... | 10:14 |
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| adas | when i run a opera in terminal: | 10:14 |
| tepsipakki | bug 102851 | 10:15 |
| ubotu | Malone bug 102851 in libx11 "Opera failed after update - date 04/04/07" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102851 | 10:15 |
| adas | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. | 10:15 |
| adas | ok... | 10:15 |
| adas | but where i found a libx11-6 1.1.1-1ubuntu2 ? | 10:18 |
| tepsipakki | read the bug | 10:19 |
| tepsipakki | there are links | 10:19 |
| tepsipakki | just use another browser until opera has a new release | 10:23 |
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| cjwatson | CarlFK: lp and mail, please | 11:29 |
| CarlFK | ok | 11:29 |
| CarlFK | while I have your ear - know where I can find docs for using openssh-server-udeb in the installer? | 11:30 |
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| cjwatson | CarlFK: no, I'm saying the above because you don't have my ear :) it's 22:35 in the evening and tomorrow is a holiday | 11:35 |
| CarlFK | heh - enjoy ! | 11:35 |
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