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[12:21] <Riddell> keescook: no, except qt widget themes
[12:22] <keescook> Riddell: okay, thanks.  mythtv is seeing a lot of crashes in qt libs :(  I was hoping for an easy fix.  :)
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[12:38] <geser> keescook: I'll try tomorrow to file an uvf exception for wordpress 2.1.3
[12:40] <keescook> geser: cool
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[01:00] <Fujitsu> keescook: I attached an Edgy debdiff to bug #94238 two weeks ago, can you take a look?
[01:00] <ubotu> Malone bug 94238 in mpd "MPD Critical bug, please update to 0.12.2" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94238
[01:01] <keescook> Fujitsu: sure, checking now
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Are we meant to poke you once we've got a debdiff?
[01:02] <keescook> Fujitsu: yeah, or rather, after you have a debdiff and have tested that the resulting package works and fixes the problem.  :)
[01:02] <keescook> did you test the Edgy build?
[01:03] <Fujitsu> I think so.
[01:03] <keescook> heh
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[01:03] <keescook> I should subscribe myself to motu-swat, it seems that just marking a bug as "security" doesn't subscribe ubuntu-security any more.  :(
[01:04] <Fujitsu> I would have thought that it would have been a pretty fundamental thing for the security flag to do that...
[01:05] <keescook> Fujitsu: it _used_ to, but it seems some changes recently undid that.  I have a bug open about it.
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[01:07] <keescook> Fujitsu: anyway, if it's been tested in Edgy, I'll happily publish it.
[01:07] <Fujitsu> I'm testing it again now, but AFAICR it's fine.
[01:10] <keescook> Fujitsu: okay, cool.  Thanks!
[01:12] <Fujitsu> Thanks, it works fine.
[01:15] <keescook> Fujitsu: oh, btw, that package uses "quilt" for patching.  :)
[01:15] <Fujitsu> Hm, true. I should probably have checked that.
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[01:35] <keescook> Fujitsu: I've moved the patch around; I'll get it uploaded in a few minutes...
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[01:35] <Fujitsu> keescook: Thanks. I'm still trying to work out how I am meant to use quilt. Never seen it before.
[01:36] <keescook> It's some crazy stuff.
[01:36] <Fujitsu> It looks like it.
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[01:37] <Fujitsu> I can see why I didn't notice it had a patch system: I normally just look for a debian/patches.
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[01:38] <pochu> Hey everybody! Little question: Does the frozen also affects the Universe?
[01:39] <_ion> It's usually nice to put the quilt stuff to debian/patches, though.
[01:39] <_ion> That's also the canonical cdbs' patchsystem-quilt way.
[01:40] <Fujitsu> _ion: In this case, it had quilt included in debian/rules, but didn't actually have any patches, so the only way to notice that it had a patch system was by looking in rules.
[01:41] <Fujitsu> pochu: We'
[01:41] <Fujitsu> *pochu: We're not in deep freeze for another week.
[01:41] <pochu> oh, cool :)
[01:41] <pochu> I thought we start today
[01:42] <pochu> Oh, Main is frozen since today, but not Universe, right? :)
[01:43] <Fujitsu> Yep.
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[03:01] <Fujitsu> Thanks keescook.
[03:01] <keescook> Fujitsu: no problemo!  :)
[03:02] <keescook> sorry I missed it for so long.  I need to find a better way to get notified about pending debdiffs.  :)
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[04:31] <sbalneav> Any of the K developers in here?
[04:31] <sbalneav> Riddell: pingity?
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[04:33] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Are you involved with the KDE side of things?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: yes
[04:36] <sbalneav> Ah, perfect.  You wouldn't happen to know anyone who manages the kde-games package, would you?
[04:37] <sbalneav> We've got someone who just pointed out that ktuberling (potato guy) can have a cigar put on him.  He's working on a native reserve, and they try to stay away from showing the kids any kind of addicting behavior, and he asked if it could be substituded for something else.
[04:37] <sbalneav> I'm thinking "carrot".
[04:38] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: upstream people.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> sounds good to me
[04:39] <sbalneav> ok, I'll talk to upstream.
[04:39] <sbalneav> thx
[04:39] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: they're involved in kde4 - so i'm not sure if they'll change kde3 stuff
[04:40] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: i dont know anyone within kubuntu/debian who actually modifies it, beyond packaging
[04:40] <sbalneav> I'm grabbing the source right now.  May be able to apply a patch if I'm fast enough. :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> :)
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[06:49] <andrei> If I wanted to ask about my SoC application who would I ask?
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[08:23] <glick> hi
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[08:30] <glick> hey why doesnt ubuntu give the option of reiserfs on a fresh install?
[08:31] <mdke> does anyone know how I can test yelp from a terminal and pass it a different locale to my system one without actually logging in with a different language?
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[08:34] <geser> mdke: doesn't the usual "LANG=another_locale yelp" work?
[08:36] <mdke> doesn't seem to
[08:36] <mdke> maybe I'm using the wrong "another_locale"
[08:36] <mdke> I've tried it and it_IT
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[08:37] <mdke> and it_IT.UTF-8
[08:38] <minghua> mdke: try LC_ALL=xxx yelp?
[08:38] <minghua> (although if LC_ALL works but LANG doesn't, there's something strange in your locale setting)
[08:40] <mdke> minghua: no, that doesn't work either.
[08:40] <mdke> I'll install language support and login with something else
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[08:41] <minghua> mdke: is "it_IT.UTF-8" in your "locale -a" output?
[08:42] <mdke> it is now, I suspect it wasn't before
[08:42] <mdke> anyway, works
[08:43] <pitti> Good morning
[08:44] <Burgundavia> morning pitti
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[08:46] <pitti> Hey Burgundavia!
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[09:38] <ogra> mvo, hey
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[09:39] <mvo> hey ogra
[09:39] <mvo> hey glatzor
[09:39] <glatzor> morning mvo!
[09:40] <glatzor> mvo: damn, have you seen the build error?
[09:40] <mvo> glatzor: yes, its a problem wit hthe buildds
[09:40] <ogra> mvo, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20070405/feisty-serveraddon-i386.list lists qcad and rasmol (just rsyncing to see if the list isnt lying)
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[09:41] <glatzor> mvo: so but the changes found it's way to feisty?
[09:41] <mvo> ogra: ok, I check here now as well again with the current image
[09:41] <mvo> glatzor: yes
[09:41] <glatzor> mvo: sorry but I have to leave again,
[09:41] <glatzor> fine that saved my day :)
[09:41] <mvo> glatzor: also not build ye
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[09:41] <mvo> glatzor: :)
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[09:42] <mvo> glatzor: have fuN!
[09:42] <ogra> i'm sure they were there during beta ... i wouldnt know any reason why they should vanish
[09:42] <glatzor> mvo: work is always fun ... :/
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[10:04] <ogra> mvo, ogra@edubuntu:/media/disk/isos/edubuntu$ sudo mount -o loop feisty-serveraddon-i386.iso /cdrom
[10:04] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:/media/disk/isos/edubuntu$ ls /cdrom/pool/main/q/qcad/
[10:04] <ogra> qcad_2.0.5.0-1-2_i386.deb
[10:05] <mvo> ogra: can you please search for _usr_share_pixmaps_qcad.xpm and rasmol.xpm on the CD? is it there?
[10:05] <ogra> yes
[10:05] <ogra> in the icons dir
[10:05] <mvo> ogra: I'm rsynincing the current image now and can debug it further
[10:05] <ogra> it was there in beta as well
[10:05] <mvo> ogra: ok, but it does not show? 
[10:05] <ogra> right
[10:05] <mvo> grumpf
[10:06] <mvo> ok, I will wait until the CD is here
[10:06] <ogra> i just see kturtle uses xpm as well, lets see if kturtle shows up
[10:06] <ogra> (burning iso atm)
[10:06] <pitti> how on earth did the desktop CDs grow by 8 MB in one night?
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[10:07] <ogra> pitti, ah, its not only edubuntu then, phew 
[10:07] <mvo> too much collate
[10:07] <mvo> cocklate
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[10:07] <pitti> chocolate?
[10:07] <mvo> schokolade (/me hasn't had his first tea yet)
[10:07] <ogra> chuckle late ?
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[10:11] <pitti> hey dholbach 
[10:11] <dholbach> good morning
[10:11] <pitti> dholbach: I just got your HUG day announcement from March 29
[10:11] <pitti> yay ML delay
[10:11] <mvo> hey dholbach!
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[10:12] <ogra> mvo, close the bug ... all there :D
[10:12] <mvo> ogra: booth icons show here (in ubuntu) - is this edubuntu specific maybe?
[10:13] <mvo> ogra: I close it happily :) what was the issue? or did it just resolved itself over time?
[10:13] <ogra> even though i dont understand why they werent there in beta
[10:13] <ogra> i must admit i havent checked the addon CD since beta ...
[10:14] <mvo> ogra: no problem, it may well be that the icons weren't extracted in beta for some reason etc. good that its fixed now
[10:14] <ogra> yeah
[10:14] <ogra> :)
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[10:22] <pitti> ogra: ah, got it
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[10:23] <pitti> old CD:
[10:23] <pitti> 449K    ubuntu-docs
[10:23] <pitti> new CD:
[10:23] <pitti> 8,6M    ubuntu-docs
[10:23] <pitti> WTF??
[10:23] <ogra> heh
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[10:23] <ogra> screenshots added ?
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[10:24] <Treenaks> translations?
[10:24] <kwwii> hi dholbach
[10:24] <kwwii> dholbach: can you think of anything that I have missed or that we still need to do?
[10:24] <seb128> pitti: nothing to do with me
[10:24] <seb128> pitti: ubuntu-docs has been translated
[10:25] <dholbach> kwwii: apart from the list of bugs... dunno
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[10:25] <seb128> pitti: it was not translated before ....
[10:25] <seb128> pitti: you can expect a translated xml taking as much as the english one, so you get english * number_of_translation
[10:25] <kwwii> dholbach: cool, thanks :-) (just thought I should check with you)
[10:25] <saispo> hi seb128 
[10:25] <seb128> lu saispo
[10:26] <dholbach> kwwii: if I come across anything, I'll let you know
[10:26] <saispo> fine ?
[10:26] <pitti> seb128: aah, I see -- it just has 50 copies of identical files
[10:26] <seb128> pitti: not "identical" but yeah
[10:26] <seb128> saispo: yes, I'm great, how are you?
[10:26] <pitti> seb128: most of them seem to be identical to the C version (the untranslated ones)
[10:27] <pitti> seb128: mind if I take a look at it and add some symlinking magic?
[10:27] <saispo> seb128: yes fine, just a big freeze with latest feisty update and i don't understand why...
[10:27] <saispo> i suspect X...
[10:27] <seb128> pitti: I don't work on that package, you want to speak to mdke
[10:27] <kwwii> seb128: did you see bug #84931? once quick and dirty solution would be to make GAIM use the simple text-mimetype
[10:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 84931 in human-icon-theme "Various icons don't have a 16x16 icon size" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84931
[10:27] <seb128> pitti: I'm fine with it, the things is they can have 1 string translated
[10:27] <kwwii> s/once/one
[10:27] <pitti> mdke: can we talk about shrinking ubuntu-docs?
[10:28] <seb128> saispo: while the update or happening all the time?
[10:28] <seb128> kwwii: looking
[10:28] <saispo> seb128: happening all the time since yesterday
[10:28] <saispo> after near 10 or 15 minutes up under X, pc freeze
[10:29] <saispo> i let the pc running all the night in console mode, no freeze...
[10:29] <saispo> i have nothing in the log :/
[10:29] <saispo> maybe nvidia driver...
[10:30] <YokoZar> How long does it take an ubuntu-devel email to get moderator approval?
[10:31] <seb128> saispo: what did you update yesterday? do you have anything to /var/log/{messages, syslog, Xorg.0.log}?
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[10:44] <seb128> kwwii: the bug is not limited to gaim though
[10:45] <kwwii> seb128: right, but that seems to be the app that everyone is complaining about :-)
[10:45] <seb128> kwwii: I can complain about nautilus if you want ;)
[10:45] <seb128> kwwii: right click on the desktop
[10:46] <seb128> the create directory option
[10:46] <kwwii> lol
[10:46] <seb128> what? ;)
[10:46] <seb128> kwwii: would it be hard for you to do a 16x16 variant for that gaim icon?
[10:46] <kwwii> seb128: about complaining about nautilus :-)
[10:47] <kwwii> seb128: yeah, I'll look into that (and lapo is/was working on the small folders)
[10:47] <seb128> ok, cool
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: with symlinking duplicate files and using bzip2 I got it down from 9 to 2 MB already :)
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[10:48] <seb128> pitti: is there that many dup file?
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: also, I would like to discard translations which are less than 20% complete
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[10:48] <seb128> pitti: that's weird that translations team have 0 strings translated
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: only 6 MB of dups, not that much
[10:49] <imbrandon> hey what does humboldt ( the ubuntu server ) do ?
[10:49] <imbrandon> i have a ton of access from it in my logs
[10:50] <seb128> pitti: I think dropping too much incomplete translations is ok
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[10:56] <saispo> seb128: i lost the ssh to my home... will see at 12:00
[10:56] <seb128> saispo: ok
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[10:57] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[10:58] <Enola_Gay> Does anyone know if Herd 6 will be released today?
[10:59] <pitti> Enola_Gay: there won't be a herd-6, as Mithrandir announced on u-devel-announce
[10:59] <Enola_Gay> So the next CD will be the release candidate?
[10:59] <highvoltage> Enola_Gay: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000272.html
[11:00] <Enola_Gay> Released on April the 12th?
[11:00] <Enola_Gay> pitti: highvoltage: thx.
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[11:03] <Keybuk> seb128: around?
[11:03] <seb128> Keybuk: yes
[11:03] <Keybuk> Mark's laptop has an odd problem
[11:03] <Keybuk> every time he logs in, something changes his current window manager gconf key to ~/.gnome-compiz-manager/openbox -- which doesn't exist
[11:03] <Keybuk> I cannot find what's doing that
[11:03] <Keybuk> this causes him to have no WM on startup, and I think is also causing gnome-session to hang on login
[11:04] <seb128> does he has gnome-compiz-manager installed? does it happen without it?
[11:04] <Keybuk> no, I purged that
[11:04] <Keybuk> it still happens
[11:04] <Keybuk> I changed the gconf key to just metacity, and when he logs in, it becomes gnome-compiz-manager again
[11:04] <Amaranth> i recently noticed desktop-effects doing something that makes gnome-session hang for about 60 seconds after it loads compiz
[11:04] <Amaranth> so, maybe that's it?
[11:05] <seb128> Keybuk: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default  ?
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[11:06] <sabdfl> peregrine% gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default  ~
[11:06] <sabdfl> /usr/bin/metacity
[11:06] <seb128> sabdfl: cat .gnomerc?
[11:06] <sabdfl> export WINDOW_MANAGER=~/.gnome-compiz-manager/openbox
[11:06] <seb128> that's it
[11:06] <seb128> gnome-compiz-manager did that
[11:06] <sabdfl> just delete it?
[11:07] <seb128> yes
[11:07] <seb128> I'll have a look at gnome-compiz-manager and get that fixed, thank you for the bug report ;)
[11:07] <sabdfl> np :-) want it in LP?
[11:07] <sabdfl> seb128: it may have been an older version that did it
[11:07] <seb128> sabdfl: yes please
[11:07] <seb128> sabdfl: current code seems to still do it
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[11:08] <seb128> Amaranth: what is desktop-effects doing?
[11:09] <Amaranth> seb128: when it sets the gconf keys to make gnome-session start compiz
[11:09] <Amaranth> on next login it loads compiz then 60 seconds later i get nm-applet and gnome-power-manager
[11:10] <Amaranth> i remember seeing this once before then it went away
[11:10] <Amaranth> seems to be back now
[11:10] <Amaranth> dunno how i made it go away last time either
[11:10] <seb128> weird
[11:10] <ogra> Keybuk, on my thin clients i see a /dev/.static/dev mount "type nfs" what mounts that ?
[11:11] <Keybuk> it's a bind mount of your old /dev
[11:11] <ogra> i know
[11:11] <Keybuk> so it's the same options/filesystem as your /
[11:11] <ogra> but why is it type nfs
[11:11] <Keybuk> because your root is nfs?
[11:11] <Amaranth> seb128: i've gone almost 6 months without reinstalling, probably about time to do so :)
[11:11] <ogra> well it shows up in mtab as separate nfs mount 
[11:11] <Amaranth> i'm terribly hard on my installs :)
[11:11] <Keybuk> ogra: the device part will be the same
[11:11] <seb128> Amaranth: why would you need to reinstall, that's not windows ;)
[11:12] <ogra> Keybuk, indeed, i'm just wondering if i could get rid of it ... to speed up ...
[11:12] <Keybuk> (it shouldn't show up in mtab at all, perhaps you're looking at /proc/mounts ?)
[11:12] <Keybuk> ogra: how would it speed anything up?
[11:12] <ogra> right, mtab is a link on thin clients
[11:12] <Amaranth> seb128: well, unless the system still works when i wipe /etc (or all of /etc can be regenerated) that's the only way i know to fix things
[11:12] <Amaranth> oh, and to clean out my manual installs of things and to remove changes to grub and etc
[11:12] <ogra> Keybuk, well, i assume there must be a mount process to mount it ?
[11:12] <Keybuk> ogra: yeah, a call to mount --bind
[11:12] <Keybuk> nothing more elaborate than that
[11:12] <ogra> ah
[11:13] <Keybuk> it's done in initramfs normally
[11:13] <ogra> ok, thanks
[11:13] <Keybuk> and postinst/devmapper/etc. will break without it
[11:13] <ogra> ok, i wont touch it 
[11:13] <ogra> i'm just searching for possible speedup areas
[11:13] <sabdfl> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/103246
[11:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 103246 in gnome-compiz-manager "Gnome-compiz-manager thrusts itself into .gnomerc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[11:14] <Keybuk> ogra: could you show me a bootchart
[11:14] <Keybuk> I may be able to make some useful suggestions
[11:14] <seb128> sabdfl: thank you!
[11:14] <ogra> Keybuk, i probably could, but on that HW it will take an hour to boot then :)
[11:14] <ogra> i'll try one ...
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[11:19] <ogra> wow, bringing up X takes ~20secs with bootchart running in the background
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[11:20] <cjwatson_> glick: the manual partitioner supports reiserfs just fine
[11:20] <glick> oh
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[11:21] <cjwatson> glick: perhaps you were using Kubuntu 6.06 or 6.10 with the graphical installer, whose manual partitioner didn't support reiserfs?
[11:22] <glick> so the ubuntu cd supports it
[11:22] <cjwatson> sure
[11:22] <cjwatson> as does Kubuntu now, in feisty
[11:22] <glick> heh im still runnin dapper
[11:23] <ogra> *twiddle* *twiddle*
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[11:23] <ogra> Keybuk, that thing should get a low spec HW mode
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[11:24] <ogra> oh, nice it just killed X ....
[11:24] <ogra> "... out of memory error..." :)
[11:27] <ogra> Keybuk, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/feisty-20070405-1.png
[11:29] <mjg59> 15 seconds from start to libata being loaded?
[11:29] <mjg59> I think your problem here is that this machine is slow...
[11:29] <ogra> mjg59, its a network boot ...
[11:29] <kwwii> seb128: in every case I find of the missing 16x16 icons it is a matter of the app (or gtk or whatever) looking for files it should not be looking for
[11:29] <ogra> the same machine boots on ltsp 4.2 in 20 secs
[11:30] <ogra> (stopwatched including POST)
[11:30] <seb128> kwwii: I doubt of it
[11:30] <mjg59> ogra: That's still in the initramfs
[11:30] <ogra> while ltsp 5 takes 68secs with the same measurement method
[11:30] <seb128> kwwii: what do you expect? the app to resize a 48x48 icon to 16x16?
[11:30] <mjg59> It's spending 15 seconds loading modules
[11:31] <ogra> right
[11:31] <kwwii> seb128: no, I expect it to use the correct action icons
[11:31] <mjg59> Which can have nothing to do with the fact that it's on nfs
[11:31] <seb128> kwwii: do you have an example with an icon name?
[11:31] <ogra> and i suspect something is slow with our nfs implementation ... on a debian chroot (same ltsp code, different kernel) it takes 20 sec less
[11:32] <mjg59> Oh, wait, sorry, I'm being really stupid
[11:32] <mjg59> Of course that's off the rootfs
[11:32] <ogra> right
[11:32] <kwwii> seb128: one second, let me make sure I am not talking crap first :-)
[11:32] <seb128> kwwii: ok
[11:32] <mjg59> Well, it's easy for you to benchmark nfs performance between kernels
[11:33] <ogra> i wonder why our nfs uses rsize and wsize values like 131072 ... 
[11:34] <ogra> that seems pretty high
[11:34] <Keybuk> ogra: nothing immediately obvious; almost all your boot is spend in modprobe!
[11:34] <ogra> Keybuk, yes, we'll start to go for a -ltsp kernel in feisty+1 to solve that one 
[11:34] <ogra> there is a lot in our kernel packages we dont need on a thin client ...
[11:36] <Keybuk> tbh, I'm surprised you do it all this way
[11:36] <Keybuk> I would make a small read-only image containing the filesystem and a kernel per unit
[11:36] <Keybuk> boot the machine, it copies the image onto its disk over the network if it has changed, and mounts it, booting from it
[11:36] <ogra> a kernel per unit ? 
[11:36] <Keybuk> the image almost immediately starts X
[11:36] <ogra> there is no disk
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[11:37] <pitti> seb128: bah, I don't really understand this complex ubuntu-docs thingy; I have to defer to mdke, I'm afraid
[11:37] <ogra> and we iusually have no more than 64-128MB mem
[11:37] <Keybuk> then just nfs mount it, but that will be quite slow
[11:38] <seb128> pitti: what are you trying to understand?
[11:38] <ogra> Keybuk, well, the thing is that the ltsp 4.2 kernel runs all this in a quater of the time we need for the same setup
[11:38] <pitti> seb128: where and how the translated .xml files are generated from the C sources
[11:38] <ogra> 20 second boots are obviously possible
[11:38] <pitti> seb128: i. e. where we have to add the check for < 20% translated
[11:39] <ogra> even with nfs 
[11:39] <Keybuk> ogra: does it have a module-less kernel?
[11:39] <ogra> no
[11:39] <ogra> same as ours
[11:39] <ogra> initramfs and kernel ...
[11:39] <Keybuk> then compare the two
[11:39] <ogra> same bootmethod and architecture for the whole thing
[11:39] <ogra> thats what i plan to do for fsity+1
[11:39] <seb128> pitti: ah ok, it's likely using xml2po
[11:39] <Keybuk> go down line-by-line and work out how they're different
[11:40] <ogra> yep
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[11:40] <ogra> there is a lot memory stuff thats dfferent ... i already took a glance
[11:40] <Keybuk> "memory stuff" ?
[11:40] <ogra> yeah, sizes
[11:40] <ogra> and defaults ... i only took a short look at the diff between the configs
[11:41] <Keybuk> "sizes" ?
[11:41] <pitti> seb128: that command appears in three scripts which say 'don't use that yet', and none of these scripts are used
[11:41] <ogra> Keybuk, i wont look that up now ...
[11:41] <seb128> pitti: ok, so ask mdke or maybe dholbach
[11:42] <dholbach> seb128, pitti: I don't know much about the ubuntu-docs build system - but I can take a look at it - what's thr problem?
[11:42] <ogra> Keybuk, bug 97456, both configs are attached if you want to look
[11:42] <ubotu> Malone bug 97456 in ltsp "eBox 2300 boots VERY slow with Ubuntu/LTSP-5" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97456
[11:42] <pitti> seb128: what concerns me more is that all the translated .xml files are already present
[11:43] <pitti> dholbach: the source already has translated .xml files instead of building them during package build from C xml + po files
[11:43] <pitti> dholbach: and I can't quite figure out how/when this is done
[11:43] <pitti> dholbach: I want to drop translations which are less than, say, 20% complete
[11:43] <kwwii> seb128: ok, you are right on the ones from the Human theme :-)
[11:43] <pitti> dholbach: AFAICS, mdke runs the translation scripts manually before building the source?
[11:44] <seb128> kwwii: ;)
[11:44] <kwwii> seb128: it is a nasty hack, but I'll simply scale them down (we really should redraw them all for that size though)
[11:44] <pitti> dholbach: erk, and I see svn add commands in that source, too
[11:44] <Keybuk> ogra: nothing useful there
[11:44] <seb128> kwwii: ok, thank you
[11:44] <Keybuk> ogra: compare the chroots
[11:44] <dholbach> pitti: I need to check - the last time I changed something in the build system has been a while since
[11:44] <ogra> Keybuk, thats what i'm doing atm ... i cant change kernel stuff anyway now
[11:44] <pitti> dholbach: I'll just wait for him, don't worry
[11:45] <dholbach> pitti: mdke and his ubuntu-doc people worked on that mostly
[11:45] <dholbach> ok
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[11:45] <dholbach> pitti: if you want me to take a look - let me know
[11:45] <ogra> Keybuk, and thats why i asked for the udev nfs mount :)
[11:45] <pitti> dholbach: well, if you actually understand the package, sure; if not, don't bother
[11:47] <Keybuk> ogra: if you're looking for 150s, you're not going to find it in minor details
[11:48] <ogra> Keybuk, i can only look at stuff i can fix before release ... and thats only minor stuff ...
[11:49] <ogra> i wont get ben to invent a new kernel flavor for me before feisty ;)
[11:49] <mjg59> ogra: Have you benchmarked nfs performance?
[11:49] <mjg59> If not, do that before doing anything else.
[11:50] <mjg59> Also, you're doing the comparisons on the same hardware on the same network against the same server, right?
[11:50] <ogra> yes, thats on my list, i was just looking at the options we use by default and stumbled over the r/wsize options with an 131072 valus
[11:50] <ogra> *value
[11:51] <tepsipakki> ogra: try 8192
[11:51] <ogra> which looks strangely big
[11:51] <ogra> tepsipakki, i know what i *should* try ... i just wonder why we use such a default
[11:51] <mjg59> ogra: Before playing with options, test that there's actually a difference in performance
[11:51] <tepsipakki> right :)
[11:51] <ogra> i dont want to put NFSOPTS in my pxelinux config if possible ;)
[11:52] <ogra> (by default at least)
[11:52] <mjg59> So far you have no idea whether or not there's actually a difference in the NFS speed
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[11:54] <ogra> well, no proven facts, no
[11:55] <mjg59> So before trying things to improve the speed of NFS, veryify that NFS is actually slower
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[12:33] <pitti> mdke: I uploaded a new ubuntu-docs now with bzip2 deb compression and duplicate file symlinking; that shinks the deb from 9 to < 2 MB, but doesn't help so much for the live fs; we really need to throw out poorly translated documents
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[12:36] <pitti> Riddell: any idea about https://bugs.launchpad.net/update-manager/+bug/84717/comments/207 ?
[12:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:37] <Riddell> pitti: oh, he's just running it in a chroot 
[12:37] <pitti> ah, no X socket then
[12:37] <Riddell> pitti: the KubuntuDistUpgrade page suggests that for testers who don't have edgy to hand but want to help
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[12:38] <pitti> Riddell: ok, that should be fine then; any other remaining bugs?
[12:38] <Riddell> pitti: not that I know of
[12:38] <pitti> ok, so it gets high time to push that out, I guess
[12:38] <Riddell> yay
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[12:44] <kwwii_> dholbach: I'll have an update for h-i-t in a bit (adding 3 16x16 icons)
[12:45] <dholbach> kwwii: alrighty, I'll upload it once you're done
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[12:48] <freeflyi1g> /NICKLIST SCREEN
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[12:56] <kwwii_> dholbach: commited
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[01:10] <anti_pop> does any developer work on this bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47455
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[01:10] <ubotu> Malone bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [High,Confirmed]  
[01:11] <dholbach> kwwii: you forgot to change actions/Makefile.am - doing that now
[01:11] <Riddell> anti_pop: not as far as I know
[01:11] <kwwii> dholbach: ouch, sorry
[01:11] <dholbach> np
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[01:13] <thekorn> pitti, dholbach: I added a patch to fix bug 99642
[01:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 99642 in bughelper "apport eats bug summaries with quotes" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99642
[01:14] <dholbach> thekorn: nice - will look into it a bit later
[01:14] <dholbach> thekorn: thanks a lot
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[01:15] <thekorn> dholbach: no problem...
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[01:17] <gnomefreak> was the nvidia-glx + upgrade + geforce4 cards been fixed? Ive seen alot less complaints about it?
[01:18] <dholbach> kwwii: uploaded
[01:18] <kwwii> dholbach: and now I have commited an update for tango-common (and remebered to edit the makefile this time too)
[01:18] <kwwii> just to keep you busy :p
[01:18] <dholbach> kwwii: ok
[01:18] <dholbach> kwwii: will do that later - lunchtime
[01:18] <kwwii> dholbach: cool, thanks :-)
[01:18] <kwwii> dholbach: enjoy your lunch
[01:18] <dholbach> gracias
[01:19] <dholbach> thekorn: uploaded
[01:19] <thekorn> yeah!
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[01:21] <pitti> thekorn: rock, thanks
[01:22] <pitti> dholbach: is there a freeze for universe wrt. syncs?
[01:22] <thekorn> pitti: I hope that works...
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[01:24] <ajmitch> pitti: not yet
[01:24] <pitti> ajmitch: ok, so syncs can be done the usual way unless it's a new upstream version
[01:25] <ajmitch> yeah, and we're still approving UVF exceptions for universe
[01:25] <ajmitch> they're sometimes necessary still 
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[01:30] <popey> what's the process for getting a package updated in feisty? I realise it's a bit late now, just wondered if its possible and what needs to be done?
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[01:31] <ajmitch> depends if it's in main or universe
[01:31] <ajmitch> main is very much frozen
[01:31] <popey> oh dear
[01:31] <ajmitch> universe is close, but not quite there
[01:31] <popey> libmtp
[01:31] <popey> looks like it's in main
[01:31] <ajmitch> I presume you mean a new upstream version, too?
[01:31] <popey> yes
[01:31] <popey> upstream has 0.1.5 http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=download
[01:32] <popey> we have 0.1.3
[01:32] <ajmitch> I think you'd be pretty much out of luck right now
[01:32] <popey> very few dependencies
[01:32] <ajmitch> 2 weeks till release
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[01:32] <popey> yeah :|
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[01:33] <popey> it's not for me, I'm answering a support ticket, will pass that info on, thanks
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[01:34] <xhaker> maybe you can get it into through backports..
[01:34] <popey> what's the process for that?
[01:34] <popey> do that after the release?
[01:34] <xhaker> if there is demand, i'm sure jdong and the backports team will do it
[01:35] <cjwatson> yes, once the next release is open and that version is available there
[01:35] <popey> ok
[01:35] <popey> thanks guys
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[01:45] <pitti> seb128: there are three universe packages still depending on libgtkhtml3.8-19, which is NBS; what do you propose?
[01:46] <pitti> seb128: we have to remove NBS packages from the archive before the release, otherwise we violate the GPL
[01:46] <seb128> pitti: I'll fix that now
[01:46] <pitti> seb128: shall I write to -motu@?
[01:46] <pitti> oh
[01:46] <seb128> pitti: it's only 3 packages, I can handle it ;)
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[01:52] <carlos> pitti: hi, around?
[01:52] <pitti> hi carlos 
[01:53] <carlos> pitti: software-properties are not part of latest language packs
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[01:53] <carlos> pitti: at least for the GNOME ones
[01:53] <carlos> but Launchpad is exporting them
[01:53] <carlos> so I wonder whether those translations ended in KDE language packs
[01:54] <carlos> which is wrong as those are shared between KDE and GNOME so I guess they should be in the shared ones
[01:54] <mpt> pitti, you were asking a few days ago about weeks starting on Sunday vs. Monday ... That's not really a locale-specific thing, it's a user preference
[01:54] <carlos> pitti: could you check?
[01:54] <mpt> It's determined by locale, religion, your parents, etc
[01:54] <pitti> mpt: ah, ok; it's changed to Monday by upstream in Feisty anyway, so I didn't need to touch it
[01:55] <carlos> mpt: well, but we need to set our locales to the official setting in the locale country
[01:55] <Mirv> carlos: it'd look like the translations are not in KDE, either: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/102773
[01:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 102773 in software-properties "l10n broken in the KDE frontend" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[01:55] <carlos> the bug is that we don't have a way customise it
[01:55] <pitti> carlos:  indeed, it's in KDE now
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[01:56] <pitti> carlos: I'll take a look and find out why
[01:56] <mpt> carlos, I know, it's one of those things that should have a locale default but user configuration, and has the former but not the latter
[01:56] <mpt> (in Gnome)
[01:57] <carlos> pitti: that .po files are shared between KDE and GNOME, so it's not a matter of moving it to GNOME
[01:57] <pitti> carlos: right, it should go into the shared ones
[01:57] <carlos> mpt: indeed
[01:57] <carlos> pitti: ok, thanks
[01:57] <Mirv> carlos: hmm okay you're right anyway, that bug I mentioned is wrong, it is available in KDE
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[01:57] <carlos> Mirv: that would be that the user is not using daily lang packs
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[01:57] <Mirv> carlos: most probably
[01:58] <carlos> latest official packages in Feisty doesn't have software-properties
[01:58] <carlos> Mirv: also, I found that the KDE UI files translations are not being extracted to hte .pot file
[01:59] <carlos> so maybe that's also part of the problem
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[02:00] <Mirv> now if only we could translate the installer properly, but alas that seems undoable for feisty as the translation deadline is I guess today and the partitioning-related strings are just not translatable
[02:01] <cjwatson> some of them are, but not all.
[02:01] <cjwatson> sorry, ENOTIME
[02:01] <Mirv> cjwatson: yeah, I understand the situation
[02:01] <Mirv> not corrupting hard drives > completely localized
[02:04] <cjwatson> quite so
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[02:21] <saispo> seb128: i try... i think it's an hardware problem :/
[02:21] <doko> cjwatson: I really want to make an OOo upload in the next hours...
[02:21] <cjwatson> which bugs?
[02:22] <seb128> saispo: not cool
[02:22] <doko>   * openoffice.org-core: Recommend nfs-common. Ubuntu #64813.
[02:22] <doko>   * Re-merge generic menu icons names. Ubuntu #99779.
[02:22] <doko>   * Build using neon25. Ubuntu #92345.
[02:22] <doko>   * Build using internal copy of xmlsec. Ubuntu #45801.
[02:22] <doko>   * openoffice.org-common: Depend on desktop-file-utils. Ubuntu #70105.
[02:22] <doko>   * openoffice.org-style-default: Build it as a transitional package.
[02:22] <doko>     Ubuntu #102690.
[02:22] <doko>   * Import Fedora fixes:
[02:22] <saispo> seb128: yep :/ the hardware have one month...
[02:22] <doko>     - Fix crashes in Outliner::ImplHasBullet(). Ubuntu #96622.
[02:22] <doko>   * Update ubuntu template documents.
[02:22] <doko>   * Update human icon theme, contributed by Gabriel Hurley.
[02:23] <saispo> seb128: i think it's the motherboard... an asus mn2pv-vm
[02:23] <saispo> will see if somme issue in the bug tracker, but...
[02:23] <saispo> i will try to disable acpi too
[02:23] <dholbach> kwwii: tango-icon-theme-common uploaded
[02:24] <asac> i have a list of baseline libs that upstream mozilla wants to develop against in future. Anything we want to add?
[02:24] <asac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5897
[02:26] <cjwatson> doko: that's fine, thanks, go ahead and upload that
[02:29] <doko> cjwatson: ok, after the test build finishes.
[02:34] <dholbach> asac: it looks ok to me
[02:35] <dholbach> Mithrandir: could it be that bzr-gtk 0.15.2-0ubuntu1 got lost somewhere along the way?
[02:35] <asac> fine ... then i will give green light.
[02:36] <EtienneG> good <time of day> everybody
[02:36] <EtienneG> I would need the help of an archive admin
[02:36] <cjwatson> EtienneG: hello
[02:36] <EtienneG> cjwatson, hey !
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[02:36] <EtienneG> I had an upload of bzr-gtk done by a MOTU (crimsun) yesterday 
[02:37] <asac> bdmurray: ping
[02:37] <EtienneG> related to #102548
[02:37] <EtienneG> it was about 18 hours ago
[02:37] <cjwatson> version number?
[02:37] <EtienneG> 0.15.2-0ubuntu1
[02:38] <EtienneG> the upload is not showing up anywhere on LP ... I was kind of worried
[02:38] <cjwatson> EtienneG: your uploader forgot to use the -sa switch to dpkg-buildpackage / debuild
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[02:38] <cjwatson> they should have got a reject message
[02:38] <cjwatson> 13:30:13 DEBUG   Rejected:
[02:38] <cjwatson> 13:30:13 DEBUG   Unable to find bzr-gtk_0.15.2.orig.tar.gz in the distribution.
[02:38] <EtienneG> ha HA !
[02:38] <EtienneG> I'll catch him later then
[02:38] <EtienneG> thanks cjwatson 
[02:38] <dholbach> EtienneG: if you pass me the source package, I can upload it for you
[02:39] <EtienneG> dholbach, http://people.ubuntu.com/~etienne/bzr-gtk/
[02:39] <dholbach> alright
[02:39] <EtienneG> dholbach, thanks !
[02:40] <dholbach> EtienneG: done
[02:40] <EtienneG> dholbach, that was fast !
[02:40] <dholbach> :)
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[02:40] <cjwatson> and accepted
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[02:41] <EtienneG> cjwatson, generally, how long should we wait for an upload to show up before we go looking for help when such a case happen ?
[02:41] <EtienneG> 12 hours ?  2 days ?  more ... ?
[02:42] <cjwatson> the source should show up within 2 hours of upload at most
[02:42] <cjwatson> (normally less)
[02:42] <EtienneG> ok, that make sense
[02:42] <cjwatson> at present the archive is frozen (see ubuntu-devel-announce) so source uploads require manual attention; that only changed today
[02:43] <EtienneG> cjwatson, I was aware of that ... fortunately, all my packages have been taken care of in time
[02:43] <StevenK> cjwatson: Just curious at this point, when does Mithrandir return?
[02:44] <cjwatson> StevenK: Tuesday
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[02:58] <doko> cjwatson: (sorry, wrong channel) would like to update python2.5 to the 2.5.1 release candidate 1 today; see bug 103302
[02:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 103302 in python2.5 "UVF exception for python 2.5.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103302
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[03:04] <cjwatson> doko: ok, that's fine
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[03:06] <genii> Is there any tool/script to auto-generate things like Packages.gz Release and MD5 sums  etc when you are putting a new  package into a mirror you run?
[03:06] <zul> apt-archive I think
[03:06] <Treenaks> or falcon?
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[03:08] <genii> Thanks. I had to repackage the modem-hsfpci for a new brand of these winmodems. and i a have a Dapper mirror which I netboot from, wanting to put a dapper-freenet suite for this and have it install this package from a preseed. Being a headache
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[03:11] <StevenK> jdub
[03:11] <StevenK> Oops
[03:11] <pitti> cjwatson: hmm, I thought BenC was working on l-r-m for -14 with some more fixes?
[03:11] <StevenK> Riddell, mvo: I've marked 90642 as a dupe of 90644. (file overwrite problem for qobex and qobex-dev)
[03:12] <cjwatson> pitti: he's welcome to upload it. I need to get the CDs consistent though
[03:12] <cjwatson> BenC: ^--
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[03:14] <pitti> Mithrandir: could you please give-back notification-daemon on sparc?
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[03:15] <Riddell> StevenK: thanks
[03:15] <Riddell> added to TODO
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[03:17] <genii> Treenaks Is falcon what they use already to package the main *buntu repos?
[03:17] <Treenaks> genii: no
[03:17] <StevenK> Riddell: It's already fixed, sorry I didn't mention.
[03:19] <genii> Treenaks: Sorry not to "package the repo" But rather to organise and somewhat automate the indexing and generation of the Release Package,Package.gz , gpg keys and so on
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[03:21] <pitti> Keybuk: could you please give-back notification-daemon on sparc?
[03:21] <cjwatson> genii: still no; that's done by Launchpad
[03:22] <Riddell> StevenK: oh, great
[03:22] <genii> cjwatson Thanks. 
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[03:28] <genii> Interesting. Is Launchpad itself open-source? I can find no information on the engine anyplace like Sourceforge for instance
[03:30] <Hobbsee> genii: it's not
[03:30] <genii> ironic
[03:30] <doko> what's scim-thai? I only know Gin-Tai
[03:31] <shawarma> genii: https://launchpad.net/faq <--- Search for "open source"
[03:33] <gnomefreak> genii: LP is closed source atm
[03:33] <gnomefreak> there was talk of making it open iirc
[03:34] <genii> shawarma: Thanks.
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[03:37] <genii> gnomefreak Guess I'm stuck with writing some scripts to semi-automate then :)
[03:42] <genii> Treenaks: Reading up on Falcon. Looks pretty good and luckily there is also a seveas repo for dapper, which is what the mirror is running. Thanks for the pointer
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[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
[04:06] <Zorkmid25> you suck
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[04:08] <sharms> cjwatson: people get kicked for giving us constructive criticism?
[04:09] <kwwii> and I thought people only talked to artists that way
[04:09] <\sh> pitti: where did you get the mysql 5.0.38 release?
[04:10] <pitti> \sh: mysql-server-5.0 | 5.0.38-0ubuntu1 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[04:10] <\sh> pitti: well, yes, but where is the upstream version on mysql pages?
[04:11] <StevenK> sharms: No, people get kicked for flooding, like cjwatson's kick message says?
[04:11] <pitti> \sh: hm?
[04:11] <\sh> pitti: 
[04:11] <\sh> ompressed GNU TAR archive (tar.gz)		5.0.37	22.2M	Pick a mirror
[04:11] <\sh> MD5: 26ed76facb58bdeae40c8310e337dde2 | Signature
[04:11] <sharms> StevenK: Do I really need to tell you the definition of sarcasm? 
[04:11] <\sh> this is from mysql download pages ;)
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[04:12] <pitti> \sh: oh
[04:12] <pitti> \sh: they hid it pretty well, I added it to debian/README.Maintainers
[04:12] <Hobbsee> sharms: i'm not sure that critisism could be labelled as constructive...
[04:12] <pitti> \sh: ftp://ftp.mysql.com/pub/mysql/src/
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[04:13] <Mirv> Hobbsee: sharm's comment was a joke, and he's hoping he wouldn't need to use the mighty ":)" to prove that
[04:13] <\sh> pitti: ah thanks :)
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[04:13] <sharms> Mirv: thanks!
=== Hobbsee was also using slight sarcasm herself..
[04:13] <sharms> I think we are stuck in a vicious circle of sarcasm
=== Hobbsee can just start booting people, if preffered :P
[04:14] <sharms> back to bug triage
[04:16] <seb128> cjwatson: I've just uploaded a totem update, 1 line change to fix the build
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[04:19] <shirish> Is it true that the next release name is going to be "greedy goose" ?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> no
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[04:20] <cjwatson> shirish: when a release name is settled, it will be announced
[04:20] <cjwatson> seb128: thanks
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[04:20] <shirish> Hobbsee: at slashdot :)
[04:20] <genii> I'm partial to Temporal Tarsier
[04:20] <Hobbsee> shirish: unless you find it announced on an official ubuntu devel mailing list, or ubuntu announce, it's not correct.
[04:20] <cjwatson> doko: do we need openoffice.org-filter-binfilter on the CD? it's very llarge
[04:20] <shirish> cjwatson: thnx
[04:21] <Hobbsee> shirish: and of course, slashdot's *so* credible.
[04:21] <Treenaks> goady gentoo ?
[04:21] <\sh> pitti: did you see any fix for http://bug.mysql.com/bug.php?id={21322,25526,27294} ?
[04:21] <shirish> Hobbsee: lol, but it would have been a fun name
[04:22] <doko> cjwatson: no, AFAIK it was never on the CD. but you get strange errors trying to open documents which are only handled by the binfilters
[04:22] <cjwatson> doko: it is on the CD
[04:22] <doko> hmm
[04:22] <cjwatson> doko: because openoffice.org depends on it, and openoffice.org-filter-binfilter is recommended by that
[04:22] <cjwatson> this is new in feisty
[04:23] <cjwatson> er, "because openoffice.org depends on it, and that's included in the desktop seed" I meant to say
[04:23] <pitti> \sh: I didn't check
[04:24] <cjwatson> doko: I'm not entirely keen on splitting up the seed into -core -base -writer etc., because those package names seem more liable to change
[04:24] <doko> cjwatson: ohh, debian change. hmm, ok, removing the depends and making it a recommends
[04:24] <cjwatson> doko: thanks
[04:24] <\sh> pitti: well, patch is again not commited from upstream...
[04:24] <doko> cjwatson: do you need that before the rc?
[04:24] <cjwatson> doko: yes please, it's 10MB on the CDs
[04:24] <shirish> Anybody knows when there is going to be testing xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting drivers in Ubuntu?
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[04:25] <cjwatson> doko: I haven't accepted your previous upload yet, so another quick upload would save a build cycle
[04:25] <doko> cjwatson: ok
[04:25] <cjwatson> thanks
[04:25] <doko> cjwatson: same version number ok?
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[04:26] <cjwatson> could you bump it?
[04:26] <\sh> pitti: when I create a patch, can you take a look at it...and think about a new upload of 5.0.38 for feisty? :)
[04:26] <pitti> \sh: of course
[04:27] <\sh> pitti: cool :) 
[04:29] <\sh> pitti: forget it, they fixed it, without mentioning it in the changelog...
[04:30] <pitti> \sh: ah, cool
[04:30] <\sh> pitti: now I'm backporting it to dapper ;)
[04:31] <genii> Not cool, all changes should get documented in the changelog. 
[04:31] <\sh> genii: tell it to mysql
[04:32] <doko> cjwatson: uploaded
[04:32] <cjwatson> cheers
[04:33] <\sh> hmm..I need to build a new wine...stres
[04:33] <kwwii> Seveas: seen bug #102738 ?
[04:33] <ubotu> Malone bug 102738 in Ubuntu "Feisty Boot Screen Error" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102738
[04:35] <genii> I'm pretty sure there are more important things to work on than fixing the progress bar LOL
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[04:49] <kwwii> Seveas: never mind, I think I found the problem
[04:49] <kwwii> genii: really, why? I would say that the graphical presentation of Ubuntu is at almost as important as the functionality
[04:50] <genii> kwwii However, relatively, it is a minor thing compared to say misconfigured base packages etc
[04:51] <cjwatson> genii: I think you have a confused view of resources. Given that there exist people dedicated to Ubuntu artwork, you can't just reallocate them to development
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[04:51] <cjwatson> genii: so saying "people should be working on packaging bugs instead" doesn't make sense. We work on both.
[04:51] <genii> cjwatson: Well, if there is already a crew for that, so much the better :) It's their dept then
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[04:52] <cjwatson> genii: yes, and kwwii is heavily involved in it
[04:52] <genii> Anyhow my boss just got here and we need to have a mtg etc and i'm on the front computer :) So can't go on at length atm
[04:53] <genii> thanks for the archive info
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[04:58] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: how does one go abotu starting to debug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbase/+bug/102675/ ?
[04:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
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[04:59] <Hobbsee> ie, why is dhclient even looking for these on boot, if NetworkManager is being started?
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[04:59] <StevenK> Because NetworkManager doesn't touch interfaces that are listed in /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:59] <Hobbsee> doesnt seem to, anyway
[05:00] <Hobbsee> (that are listed to come up automatically, at least)
[05:00] <StevenK> Which makes it unrelated to the problem
[05:01] <Hobbsee> true - but it does mean that the solution of commenting them out doesnt actually work, because then NM doesnt find them
[05:01] <Hobbsee> argh.  it seems that NM *does* require them listed in /e/n/i
[05:01] <pitti> Hobbsee: actually it shouldn't
[05:02] <StevenK> I have one interface in /etc/network/interfaces on my laptop, which is lo
[05:02] <Hobbsee> pitti: right.  i'm afraid that it tends to, though
[05:02] <StevenK> If it does, surely it's a regression?
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[05:05] <Mithrandir> pitti: notification-daemon> given-back
[05:05] <pitti> Mithrandir: thanks
[05:06] <Hobbsee> found it.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> pitti: it all works as long as you remove/comment out *both* auto $interface, and the line below
[05:07] <Hobbsee> if you only comment out the auto bit, NM wont pick it up
[05:07] <Hobbsee> so, anyone who removes both lines of $interface is fine - it all works.
[05:08] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I thought that was documented?
[05:08] <pitti> Hobbsee: right, that's how it's supposed to work
[05:08] <Hobbsee> may well be.  i didnt know about it, though
[05:09] <StevenK>  /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
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[05:09] <andrei> If I wanted to ask about my SoC application who would I ask?
[05:09] <StevenK> The source code?
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[05:10] <StevenK> Ouch! 
[05:14] <pitti> andrei: preferably someone who already reviewed it?
[05:14] <Mithrandir> dholbach: bzr-gtk 0.15.2-0ubuntu1 seems to be in the archive just fine?
[05:14] <dholbach> Mithrandir: now - we reuploaded and cjwatson accepted
[05:15] <Mithrandir> ok
[05:17] <andrei> pitti, I've no clue who reviewed it
[05:18] <andrei> pitti, Have not heard back from them at all
[05:20] <pitti> Mithrandir: that's another point I wanted to discuss with you? new langpacks right before or right after RC?
[05:21] <Mithrandir> pitti: historically, it's been just after RC.
[05:21] <pitti> Mithrandir: WFM
[05:21] <Mithrandir> to give the translator the maximum time available.
[05:21] <pitti> and in the unlikely case that RC == final, we can still update it later, so not much harm done
[05:22] <Mithrandir> well, if we update the language packs after release, RC != final.
[05:23] <Mithrandir> final will be what's in the RELEASE pocket on release day, we don't allow skew as we do for milestones.
[05:23] <cjwatson> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/ReleaseNotes?os=kubuntu&ver=7.04&lang=${LANG} - newz1000 is responsible for maintaining mappings from that to the actual release notes URL
[05:23] <Riddell> cjwatson: right
[05:24] <mvo> Riddell: we need something like this for the release-upgrader as text 
[05:24] <dholbach> Seveas, pitti: could it be you forgot to push your changes to usplash-theme-ubuntu to bzr?
[05:25] <pitti> dholbach: me?
[05:25] <pitti> dholbach: oh, might be, yes
[05:25] <dholbach> ok - I merged it in - just wanted to be sure I missed something
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[05:26] <Riddell> mvo: that would be nice, at the moment it shows Ubuntu notes in Kubuntu
[05:27] <cjwatson> Riddell: fixed
[05:27] <cjwatson> thanks, that was the first I'd heard of it being broken :-/
[05:27] <mvo> Riddell: I know ./
[05:27] <cjwatson> Riddell: Ubuntu notes> yes, you'll need to talk to newz1000 about that
[05:27] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, you mean the release-upgrader
[05:28] <mvo> Riddell: sorry for that, we can't hijack the html version, but having a text-version would be good
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[05:29] <smo> hi
[05:30] <smo> i i want to try to make a simple software whats the best softs and languauge to use in the beginning i know part of bash and php now for the moment....
[05:30] <smo> i tried glade yesterday...then?
[05:32] <Riddell> mvo: not your fault, it's too late to fix for feisty anyway
[05:32] <Riddell> smo: see topic
[05:33] <mvo> Riddell: lets make sure to put in on the table for feisty+1
[05:33] <Riddell> mvo: sure
[05:34] <smo> so which channel can i ask? please ... sorry...
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[05:35] <smo> what s the feisty's release date?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> smo: #ubuntu
[05:35] <Hobbsee> smo: and #ubuntu+1 for that
[05:35] <smo> they don t know on ubuntu...
[05:35] <Hobbsee> (april 19)
[05:35] <cjwatson> smo: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[05:35] <smo> ah maybe +1 i ll try thx
[05:35] <smo> thx all
[05:35] <smo> thx cj
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[05:39] <\sh> ok, time to go home
[05:39] <seb128> cjwatson: could you accept the gtk+2.0 update? it's an another attempt to fix the "gnome-panel crash on update" bug which has a lot of dups
[05:39] <\sh> happy easter to you all
[05:40] <cjwatson> seb128: ok, will look
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[05:44] <DarkSun88> Hi all
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[05:50] <mdz> pitti: I think it's the right thing on almost all desktops, too.  if someone plugs in a network cable with link, it should come up
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[06:09] <Riddell> pitti: what chances of being able to NEW process the rest of the kde 4 packages today?  given the high failure rate it would be nice to have them checked before everyone is away on holiday
[06:09] <pitti> Riddell: I might manage to do it tonight
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[06:10] <kwwii> adios amigos
[06:12] <dholbach> have a good time guys
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[06:29] <pitti> Riddell: erk, ./obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/kio_lan.so and similar in kde4network source - that looks wrong
[06:29] <pitti> Riddell: I hope the entire ./obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/ can be removed from the orig.tar.gz?
[06:31] <Riddell> pitti: yes it can, that's probably all my fault
[06:32] <jdong> seb128: can you help me look at bug 92069? Sounds SRU-ish to me?
[06:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 92069 in edgy-backports "desktop-file-utils 0.12" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92069
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[06:40] <_ion> * debian/rules, debian/bzr.install, debian/bzr.doc-base : changed suffix of HTML documentation to .htm to match upstream (Ubuntu #92432)
[06:40] <_ion> *puke*
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[06:46] <Riddell> cjwatson: guy just responded on that ubiquity drawing bug that he was installing to a virtual machine on the mac, so something wrong with qt4 on virtual machines it seems
[06:47] <bddebian> Heya
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[06:53] <cjwatson> Riddell: do you think there might be a workaround?
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[06:55] <pitti> Riddell: NEW is now free of KDE4
[06:55] <pitti> some rejected, some accepted
[06:57] <Riddell> cjwatson: none that I know of
[06:57] <Riddell> cjwatson: hard to diagnose the actual problem without being to recreate.  I've not seen many reports of it though, I wonder if it affects vmwave
[06:57] <Riddell> pitti: many thanks
[06:59] <pitti> tepsipakki: hmm, there's a xserver-xorg-video-intel in source NEW
[06:59] <pitti> tepsipakki: but since this is basically a new upstream version of -i810, this needs UVF exception
[07:00] <pitti> tepsipakki: can you please mail Tollef (CC me) and get this sorted?
[07:00] <pitti> tepsipakki: or better, CC: ubuntu-archive@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:00] <ogra> pitti, do you also make RM stuff ?
[07:00] <Lure> pitti: any chance to get this for feisty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportDigikamImagePlugins
[07:01] <pitti> ogra: no, Tollef does
[07:01] <pitti> ogra: I'm just an archive grunt worker
[07:01] <ogra> looked like :)
[07:01] <bddebian> hehe
[07:01] <pitti> Lure: argh, we are so heavily in freeze
[07:02] <Lure> pitti: it would be nice to have it on dvd, but if it is too late, then it will not be end of world...
[07:04] <pitti> yay, source NEW empty
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[07:08] <zyga> hey
[07:15] <janimo> gpocentek: hi
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[07:19] <crimsun> janimo: the libxfce4* stack needs to be rebuilt to fix the startup-notification change
[07:19] <crimsun> _ion and I noticed it with the xfdesktop4 upload last week
[07:20] <janimo> crimsun: I am just doing that now :)
[07:21] <janimo> since thunatr FTBFS-d today
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[07:21] <janimo> entered just to ask a second opinion
[07:21] <janimo> crimsun: so rebuilding libxfcegui4-dev will do it I suppose
[07:21] <janimo> no need to do atomic uploads of all packages and nastiness like that
[07:23] <seb128> jdong: not a SRU no, the .desktop changes happened during the 2.17 cycle and don't concern edgy
[07:23] <seb128> jdong: it doesn't break anything on edgy
[07:23] <janimo> crimsun: as libxfcegui4 is the only lib that deps on libstartup
[07:23] <jdong> seb128: oh, so the edgy version of desktop-file-utils works fine with edgy?
[07:24] <seb128> jdong: correct
[07:24] <jdong> then what would be the rationale for wanting a backport?
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[07:24] <seb128> jdong: people building new GNOME on edgy
[07:25] <jdong> ah, ok
[07:25] <jdong> works for me then. thanks seb128!
[07:25] <seb128> np
[07:25] <crimsun> janimo: ah, brilliant!
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[07:28] <zyga> mvo: hey
[07:28] <zyga> mvo: no progress on data extractor so far, small progress on reported bugs
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[07:34] <zyga> mvo: can you please merge from http://suxx.pl/~zyga/command-not-found--ubuntu-feisty-release
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[07:35] <janimo> Mithrandir: can you please approve libxfcegui4, it is needed to fix FTBFSs for other Xfce apps. It's a rebuild only as seen in the changelog
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[07:38] <cjwatson> janimo,Mithrandir: accepted
[07:38] <janimo> cjwatson: thanks
[07:39] <doko> cjwatson: please consider http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/tmp/python2.4.debdiff for an upload
[07:39] <cjwatson> doko: ok for upload
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[07:47] <carlos> Riddell: Hi, could you take a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/103394 ?
[07:47] <ubotu> Malone bug 103394 in kdelibs "broken translations in Kubuntu Feisty (daily langpack)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[07:47] <janimo> cjwatson: can you move hal-cups-utils to main, it has been in anastacia.txt for a while
[07:47] <carlos> Riddell: I don't see anything wrong from Launchpad side, unless those strings don't come from kdelibs... 
[07:47] <janimo> thanks
[07:47] <Riddell> carlos: they do, I'll look at it
[07:47] <doko> cjwatson: sun-java6 man page: the license doesn't allow changes ... I know, ridiculous ...
[07:47] <_ion> doko: Shouldn't the patch check whether PyMem_Realloc succeeded?
[07:47] <mvo> zyga: later, I need to run
[07:48] <carlos> Riddell: ok, thank you
[07:48] <cjwatson> doko: can we just not install that man page then? no man page is probably actually better than one that confuses man-db
[07:48] <cjwatson> or can we not change the package *at all*?
[07:48] <doko> _ion: did you read the docs?
[07:49] <_ion> doko: Nope.
[07:49] <doko> cjwatson: we do not change it ...
[07:49] <doko> I can modify the postinst not to install the slave link
[07:50] <cjwatson> janimo: done
[07:50] <cjwatson> doko: maybe I'll have to incorporate the man-db fix then :-/
[07:50] <_ion> doko: Ah, i just realized there probably *is* a check for the success of the function. I misread the patch and thought the PyMem_Realloc line was part of it.
[07:51] <cjwatson> doko: ok, never mind, I'll backport the man-db fix
[07:51] <cjwatson> the man page is still broken though, so if you could forward it upstream .
[07:51] <cjwatson> ..
[07:52] <doko> cjwatson: yes, notified tmarble
[07:54] <cjwatson> thanks
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[09:08] <CarlFK> cjwatson: ping - feisty net install bug - got a moment, or should I just post to LP and email you?
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[09:49] <elmo> mjg59: ping
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[09:56] <mjg59> elmo: Hi
[09:56] <elmo> oh, blah, just after I finish writing you an email ;-)
[09:56] <mjg59> Ha
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[10:13] <adas> hello
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[10:14] <adas> I today upgrade a feisty and now Opera browser doesn't work... I don't know why...
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[10:14] <adas> when i run a opera in terminal:
[10:15] <tepsipakki> bug 102851
[10:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 102851 in libx11 "Opera failed after update - date 04/04/07" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102851
[10:15] <adas> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
[10:15] <adas> ok...
[10:18] <adas> but where i found a libx11-6 1.1.1-1ubuntu2 ?
[10:19] <tepsipakki> read the bug
[10:19] <tepsipakki> there are links
[10:23] <tepsipakki> just use another browser until opera has a new release
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[11:29] <cjwatson> CarlFK: lp and mail, please
[11:29] <CarlFK> ok
[11:30] <CarlFK> while I have your ear - know where I can find docs for using openssh-server-udeb  in the installer? 
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[11:35] <cjwatson> CarlFK: no, I'm saying the above because you don't have my ear :) it's 22:35 in the evening and tomorrow is a holiday
[11:35] <CarlFK> heh -  enjoy !
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